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Speaker 1: Also media, welcome jac and appen here.

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Speaker 2: The podcast We're Getting Medication takes like four fucking hours

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Speaker 2: because of a bunch of unbelievable bureaucratic bullshit. I your

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Speaker 2: host Neo Wong, who was asked by by pharmacists today

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Speaker 2: and I quote, have you been pregnant or have there

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Speaker 2: been pregnancies?

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Speaker 1: So I like, have that being pregnancies? Yeah? That was

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Speaker 1: when I was like, what shooting of human life?

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Speaker 2: She like, she walks up to the thing, right, and

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Speaker 2: she she she puts the like she puts the meds

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Speaker 2: like like she's about to ring them up right, and

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Speaker 2: then she stops and then turns and walks with other person,

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Speaker 2: starts talking to her boss, and then comes back and then.

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Speaker 1: Asks me if their pregnancies. I'm like what it's like,

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Speaker 1: I am not passing.

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Speaker 2: I'm just wearing I'm just wearing like jeans, like a mask.

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Speaker 1: It's like a random coat. It is. So it's been

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Speaker 1: a it's been a time, yeah, achievement in the world

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Speaker 1: of healthcare where they can simultaneously like ask you for

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Speaker 1: being pregnant and then make you fucking labor unpaid for

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Speaker 1: half a day to obtain your like basic hormone therapy

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Speaker 1: or whatever it is that you need. Like, my favorite

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Speaker 1: is when the health insurance makes me this just existing

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Speaker 1: podcast about health insurance and now we hate it. Have

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Speaker 1: you enjoying it? When they're they're like, hey, we need

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Speaker 1: a doctor to confirm you still need to instantly? What

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Speaker 1: the fuck do you think has happened? You would have

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Speaker 1: heard about it. I didn't at home. Pancreas transplant didn't

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Speaker 1: bill you guys for it. You're welcome.

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Speaker 2: Yeah. With with me is James who is from a

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Speaker 2: country that is more normal about healthcare.

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Speaker 1: But yeah, the right word, but.

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Speaker 2: It's less ship is the correct word, unless you're trans

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Speaker 2: in which case it's about as.

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Speaker 1: I was gonna say, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, country which

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Speaker 1: has a different approach at least at least like has

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Speaker 1: accepted the fact that if we're going to have the

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Speaker 1: state pay for like sending bombs to kill little children

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Speaker 1: in Palestine, it should also pay for my incident, which

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Speaker 1: I think is a good a good place to start.

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Speaker 1: I guess, yeah, there's an ideal combination there. No we

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Speaker 1: no one has yet reached.

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Speaker 2: This is this is this is the task of international socialism,

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Speaker 2: et cetera, et cetera.

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Speaker 1: Yeah. Yeah, I will accept the necessity of the state

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Speaker 1: only when it funds incident, not bonds.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, but we we are here to talk about another

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Speaker 2: incredibly violent state bureaucracy and the people who run it.

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Speaker 2: We're gonna be talking about a series of very bizarre

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Speaker 2: and incredibly authoritarian crackdown so that democratic well governors, city councils,

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Speaker 2: many many such cases, yeah, have have been have been

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Speaker 2: invoking two nominally cracked down on crime, a thing that

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I in many such cases. It's great that the

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Speaker 1: Democrat like local politicians are now doing everything that we

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Speaker 2: Yeah, it's really fun and I mean this is one

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Speaker 2: of these things. So the place we're going to start

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Speaker 2: is New York governor cultural I think houtral Yeah, I

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Speaker 2: don't know. New York keeps going through politicians faster, and

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Speaker 2: I can learn how to pronounce their names. So with

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Speaker 2: two There have been two new Kings of England.

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Speaker 1: The secret sibling. Yeah, yeah, yeah, we're not making a

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Speaker 2: This is this is the best that you're getting out

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Speaker 2: of that. But yeah, so Houtral has deployed seven hundred

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Speaker 2: and fifty National guardsmen to stand outside of some subway stations.

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Speaker 2: That's a tone wister. Try saying that one five times

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Speaker 1: Yeah, it's great. I'm sure it's what those people signed

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Speaker 1: sure everyone in New York feels safer and happier as

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Speaker 2: Yeah, but I think I think the most immediate predecessor

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Speaker 1: Yeah, and capital punishment for ferrivation is also wrong. I'm bad.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, Well, look this guy somehow survived. They shot him back,

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Speaker 2: thankfully this guy survived. But yeah, but this is something

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Speaker 2: But you know, so that that's like one sort of

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Speaker 2: part of this has just been like disappeared.

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Speaker 1: Yes, exactly. Again, those have been like completely overlooked and

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Speaker 1: And obviously border crossings are not decreasing thanks to them

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Speaker 2: It's one of these things where you know they're they're

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Speaker 2: we're seeking to ease. Yes, and the federal government have decided that,

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Speaker 2: you know that that has become effectively normal, right, Like

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Speaker 1: Yeah, exactly, and like deployed way outside their stay often, right,

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Speaker 1: Like I think some of the people hear from Missouri

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Speaker 1: and yeah, it's it's a very bullshit mission. And I

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Speaker 1: but with as you said, real consequences.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, And it's like the thing that is happening is

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Speaker 2: these people have realized that the National Guard, if you

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Speaker 2: are a senior enough state official, is just your private army.

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Speaker 2: You could do whatever the fuck you want with it.

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Speaker 2: And this is the thing that they're doing with it,

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Speaker 2: and I think you should. You know, it's worth looking

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Speaker 2: at what the sort of justification for this is.

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Speaker 1: Which are probably also I neglected to mention that there

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Speaker 2: nuts ones, like there's there's one where cops can arrest you.

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Speaker 2: So if if they're trying to cite you for not

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Speaker 2: paying a toll, if they they they claim that you

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Speaker 2: didn't pay a you didn't like pay a transit fare,

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Speaker 2: you have to give them your full name and address

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Speaker 2: and if they don't, and if you don't, they can

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Speaker 2: arrest you.

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Speaker 1: Which is nuts. This is like don't disrespect me on

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Speaker 1: the train in front of everyone, nor, isn't it? That's

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Speaker 1: what that is. It gets There's another one. There's another

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Speaker 1: one which is like I I don't I don't.

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Speaker 2: Have another way to describe it other than this is

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Speaker 2: the this is the how to get Away with Murder bill,

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Speaker 2: which is this is so one of the things that

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Speaker 2: they're doing is letting cops review their own helmet footage

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Speaker 2: before police inquiries.

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Speaker 1: Right, ah, this is.

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Speaker 2: This is the get the narrative straight bill?

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Speaker 1: Do you also get to edit it? I don't.

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Speaker 2: Well, okay, so here's here's the thing about that quote

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Speaker 2: unquote No, however come these things mysteriously vanish time serious?

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Speaker 1: He disappears.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, there's also like a whole thing about like there

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Speaker 2: are certain groups of people who the cops can just

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Speaker 2: like force DNA collections from.

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Speaker 1: Oh wow, which is.

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Speaker 2: It's a lot less broad than it used to be.

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Speaker 2: But yeah, it's still a provision in there.

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Speaker 1: But yeah, this is a.

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Speaker 2: Nightmare's bill that they've been able to pass. And you know,

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Speaker 2: I think it's worth thinking about why this is actually happening,

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Speaker 2: which is that all of this stuff, all of these

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Speaker 2: are are sort of long range reaction to twenty twenty. Right,

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Speaker 2: this is this, This was the sort of strategy after

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Speaker 2: twenty twenty for rebuilding legitimacy of the police, and you know,

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Speaker 2: and and and also now rebuilding sort of rebuilding the

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Speaker 2: I don't know, psychological capacity, I guess to you know,

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Speaker 2: I mean, just deploy a bunch of troops on US soil,

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Speaker 2: right right.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, sort of building up that tolerant Yeah.

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Speaker 2: And you know, like this is all of this stuff

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Speaker 2: is sort of born on you know, on on on

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Speaker 2: protest crackdowns on one of the things that's also sort

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Speaker 2: of worth noting about. This is all of this stuff.

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Speaker 2: I mean, the DC crime build but in the works

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Speaker 2: for a long time. But the subway stuff is all

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Speaker 2: stuff that happened like pretty quickly after they air ambush

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Speaker 2: and all self in Malaysian. So a big part of

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Speaker 2: this has been the sort of the democratic ruling class

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Speaker 2: kind of losing their minds after watching how widespread twenty

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Speaker 2: twenty was, watching the extent to which they were forced

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Speaker 2: to like you know, like like there are democratic politicians

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Speaker 2: in twenty twenty like talking about like I mean, there

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Speaker 2: are like elected people talking about defunding the police. There

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Speaker 2: are like they're all remember the weird like like that

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Speaker 2: whole like kneeling thing in Congress they all do oh yeah, yeah.

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Speaker 1: The pitch of the morning Ken take with yeah, yeah,

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Speaker 1: ooh yeah. Powerful in sense of cringe.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, but there's a lot of like, you know, there's

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Speaker 2: there's just the sort of memory of that has been

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Speaker 2: has been sort of drilled deep into into the Democratic Party.

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Speaker 1: And so what has been.

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Speaker 2: Happening like like you know, and that what's been happening,

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Speaker 2: and this has been happening in blue states very explicitly

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Speaker 2: is this is this strategy of hypermilitarization with the explicit

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Speaker 2: like not explicit, sorry, with the implicit but not very

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Speaker 2: well concealed goal of putting everyone back in their place

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Speaker 2: after twenty twenty. And that is extremely grim. I mean,

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Speaker 2: I think, I don't know, I'm glad the DC stuff

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Speaker 2: isn't as bad as it was original because the original

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Speaker 2: one we're just like straight up a bunch of fascist shit.

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Speaker 2: This is also fascist shit, but like not as unhinged

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Speaker 2: as the original bills were. So you know, it's like

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Speaker 2: like the tide of this stuff isn't inevitable, right, but

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Speaker 2: also very very powerful factions of the Democratic Party have

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Speaker 2: decided that this is the thing that they want to do,

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Speaker 2: and it absolutely sucks, and you know, and and and

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Speaker 2: and this is you know, and this is in a

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Speaker 2: similar way to sort of the stuff on the border

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Speaker 2: being bipartists. I mean, at some point I'm going to

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Speaker 2: do an episode about the absolute shit show that's been

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Speaker 2: happening in Chicago where yeah, they're like a a kid

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Speaker 2: got fucking measles in one of these and one of

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Speaker 2: the micro shelters and Pilsen in Chicago, and now the

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Speaker 2: mayor's like evicting a bunch of a bunch of people

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Speaker 2: from the bigrant shelters. Jesus, you know, so like there's

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Speaker 2: a bi I mean, this is the thing like in Chicago.

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Speaker 2: I mean there's just outside of like you know, we're

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Speaker 2: like outside of just like basically every like Walgreens or

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Speaker 2: just on street corners, there's a bunch of refugee families

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Speaker 2: like just sitting out there in the cold, trying to

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Speaker 2: get some money because there's fucking nothing for them here.

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Speaker 2: And this is a bipartisan you know, this is this

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Speaker 2: is a bipartisan political project.

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Speaker 1: Yeah.

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Speaker 2: Of you know, just sort of terror inflicted on most

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Speaker 2: at people in society.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, it's it's really depressing to hear that, just because

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Speaker 1: I know that, like, you know, I see people here

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Speaker 1: and then they get out and my friends see them,

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Speaker 1: and we turn into the airport and my friends feed

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Speaker 1: them and look after them there, and they get on

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Speaker 1: their planes and we hope for the best for them,

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Speaker 1: you know, and then then yeah, they just go to

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Speaker 1: some other city where some other dog shit democrats who

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Speaker 1: lied four years ago is gonna do everything they can

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Speaker 1: to make life as hard for them as possible.

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Speaker 2: Yeah.

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Speaker 1: The good thing is you have to vote for them

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Speaker 1: while you're voting for fascismo oray. How sad?

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Speaker 2: Yeah that that that That's what I got today. We'll

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Speaker 2: be back tomorrow with something.

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Speaker 1: What are we back there? Yeah, it will be a podcast.

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Speaker 1: It's with tomorrow Friday. Oh yeah, tomorrow's Gaza day. So

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Speaker 1: it's not getting anty better for you. Yeah, lucky you,

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Speaker 1: lucky you. Tomorrow we'll be hearing from our friends at

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Speaker 1: park or Gaza.

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