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Speaker 1: Smell us now, lady, welcome to Meat Eater Trivia.

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Speaker 2: Mea podcast. Holy shit, it's Me Eating Radio Live, eleven am,

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Speaker 2: Montana Time. That's kind of Mountain Time mt YEP. Mountain Time, Thursday,

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Speaker 2: February thirteenth. It's my birthday. I turned fifty one today

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Speaker 2: live for me Eater Headquarters and Bows in Montana. I'm

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Speaker 2: your host, Steve Ennell, and I'm joined today by Brody

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Speaker 2: Henderson and Seth Morris and not I will point out

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Speaker 2: by the man who's supposed to be here. I'm glad

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Speaker 2: he's not because I like Seth betteran doctor Randall, now.

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Speaker 3: That you're a doctor too, what dud Well, we've actually

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Speaker 3: got Randall on the line. Shall we talked to him?

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Speaker 2: I don't say that because that's not a thing.

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Speaker 4: That's not a thing yet, no thing.

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Speaker 2: Today's show, we're gonna check out with our friend and

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Speaker 2: newly added Meat Eater colleague, Heather du Ville to see

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Speaker 2: what sort of critter hides and first she's working on

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Speaker 2: I'm gonna take a trip down memory lane do some

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Speaker 2: throwback Thursday, and we're gonna talk about some very exciting

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Speaker 2: news that a lot of people might not recognize as exciting.

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Speaker 2: But we're gonna explain why it's so exciting. Is a

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Speaker 2: grailing an Arctic grailing reintroduction in Michigan?

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Speaker 4: Pretty cool?

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Speaker 2: No, it's super cool, man, it's super cool. We're gonna

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Speaker 2: get into that first. We're gonna try to hear what

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Speaker 2: why Randall couldn't make it. I called him earlier. He

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Speaker 2: had no problem answering the phone. He's supposedly stuck in

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Speaker 2: the snow, but here he is. It doesn't look snowy

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Speaker 2: where you're at, Steve.

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Speaker 5: I'll point out to you that I'm in my garage.

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Speaker 5: Uh huh.

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Speaker 6: And there's there's a fair bit of snow in the

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Speaker 2: Yeah.

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Speaker 6: I was told we got up to eighty seven on

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Speaker 6: our wins last night in Livingston.

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Speaker 2: Here home. Every time you talk, I'm gonna make the

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Speaker 2: noise that I hear when I heard it. Someone can't

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Speaker 2: make it to work because of the snow riding every

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Speaker 2: time you talk, I'll do it.

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Speaker 6: Go ahead, Uh, I we got some good drifts here,

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Speaker 6: We got some I Uh.

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Speaker 5: Why did I call that? Call it because you done?

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Speaker 2: I think because you didn't come to work, because you're chicken,

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Speaker 2: because you got snow. Let me see.

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Speaker 6: Well, it's blown away from everywhere else except for uh the.

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Speaker 2: Driveway in the road. Let's see.

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Speaker 6: So we got some good drifts here. This it's right

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Speaker 5: Oh wow, look at that dang and uh yeah, that's

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Speaker 5: that's what happens. Here's Uh looks like your truck is out.

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Speaker 2: Well, truck looks fine, and it looks like it's on

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Speaker 2: the other side of the drift.

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Speaker 5: The issue. I'll just go through this drift here.

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Speaker 6: There's a massive drift here. I don't know if you

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Speaker 6: can see the bend in the road out this way,

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Speaker 6: and I got the canam stuck try to plow that out.

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Speaker 6: So I had to get my truck out to pull

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Speaker 6: the canam out. And uh yeah, there's an excavator on

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Speaker 6: the way, but it's got to take its way out here.

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Speaker 5: So I'll just be here.

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Speaker 2: If you guys eat me, you know, Uh, can you

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Speaker 2: one thing.

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Speaker 5: I was I was trying to remember. I had to

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Speaker 5: do one thing on here. Oh happy for.

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Speaker 2: Your phil Can you do randall favor and save that

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Speaker 2: clip because when we caught him loose, when we fire him,

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Speaker 2: yeah for not coming to work. He can maybe use

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Speaker 2: you talk about how bad the weather is and you're

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Speaker 2: to think of him after that, Like you there's a

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Speaker 2: big snowstorm in Buffalo, New York, and then they send

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Speaker 2: a guy out there to Parka and he's like, look

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Speaker 2: at all the snow on these cars. Randon would be

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Speaker 2: good at that. The wind's picking up. Yeah, it'd be

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Speaker 2: a great job for Randall. Got some business talk about

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Speaker 2: for you. For those of you, I know that those

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Speaker 2: of you in Michigan are already excited as hell about

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Speaker 2: the grailing reintroduction that's coming that we're going to talk about.

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Speaker 2: But if you're in Nashville, you might be saying to yourself,

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Speaker 2: what could I be at? What what should I be

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Speaker 2: excited about? Well, i'll tell you. If you're in and

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Speaker 2: around Nashville and or attending the National Wild Turkey Federation Convention,

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Speaker 2: I'm reading this and and that's that's not that's not

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Speaker 2: a great way of putting it, because it shouldn't say

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Speaker 5: You follow me, Yeah, I got you.

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Speaker 2: Oh no, because they could be far away right now.

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Speaker 2: So you say in Nashville and they're like, well, I'm

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Speaker 2: far away from Nashville. But then you say or attending

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Speaker 2: the NWTF convention in Nashville, they might be like, oh,

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Speaker 2: I better pay attention because I'll be in Nashville on Saturday.

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Speaker 5: Yeah.

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Speaker 2: So yeah, if you're around Nashville and or attending the

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Speaker 2: NWTF convention in sports show this week, that's a hell

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Speaker 2: I like that show. It's a hell of a good time.

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Speaker 2: Our colleagues, Yannie Yannie, the Lavian Lover, Ocal, Clay Newcombe,

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Speaker 2: Spencer Newheart are all there and they're hosting the Grand

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Speaker 2: Slam after party in the Tennessee Ballroom tomorrow night, Valentine's

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Speaker 2: Day Night. The event starts at eight forty five pm. Okay,

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Speaker 2: this is for NWTF. Get your tickets for forty bucks.

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Speaker 2: Buying a ticket enters you to win one of six

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Speaker 2: dream Turkey hunts. They're also gonna be raffling off a

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Speaker 2: boatload of guns and a bunch of new turkey gear

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Speaker 2: from First f HF and Phelps Game Calls. Plus Spencer's

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Speaker 2: gonna be hosting a meat poll style trivia. How meat

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Speaker 2: Pole works is you survey everybody that comes in the

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Speaker 2: room and then you do a trivia show around you

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Speaker 2: do basically being asked trivia questions about the people in

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Speaker 5: Blank?

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Speaker 4: Right, You got to figure out what they're.

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Speaker 2: Thinking sitting down. I don't know whatever the hell Spencer

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Speaker 2: wants to ask them, and you can win stuff that way.

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Speaker 5: That'll be fun.

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Speaker 2: No, I'd go if I was there, Uh, where we're

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Speaker 2: sitting right now? Oh so we did Randall, my former colleague,

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Speaker 2: doctor Randall. Oh, Spencer chimed and he says, I'm on

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Speaker 2: a plane headed there now. Okay, huh, that's great to hear.

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Speaker 5: Safe travels.

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Speaker 2: Doctor, my former colleague, doctor Randall, and I did, uh

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Speaker 2: did our first of our little mini to our mountain

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Speaker 2: Man Mini tour where we're going to colleges to give

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Speaker 2: We're going to colleges to talk about the mountain Man era.

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Speaker 2: We did our first one the other night, which is

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Speaker 2: very fun. We did it at Montana State University. We're

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Speaker 2: going to University of Montana on February twenty and we're

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Speaker 2: going to University of Wyoming and layer Me, Wyoming on

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Speaker 2: February twenty six. So go check those things out, like

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Speaker 2: they're supposedly sold out. But I gotta figure that. I

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Speaker 2: mean they are, but I feel like there should be

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Speaker 2: more room there. Oh, I'm supposed to look at the TV.

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Speaker 2: Mike Cue says, look at TV. Hey, Happy birthday, Steve

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Speaker 2: Ranella Man. We respect the heck out of you. Hope

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Speaker 2: you have a great birthday. I have not forgot that

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Speaker 2: you don't know how to blow a crow call, though, if.

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Speaker 1: You just put a little more a little body coming

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Speaker 1: from the chest right here.

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Speaker 2: Out way better than that blue jay call you make.

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Speaker 2: Happy birthday.

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Speaker 5: Oh, hey Steve, happy birthday.

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Speaker 2: This is a kind of awkward.

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Speaker 7: Sicko wo yugy.

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Speaker 8: Yucky sick.

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Speaker 5: Yugy sick yugy in.

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Speaker 7: Fling it that translates too year old. Happy birthday, Steve.

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Speaker 7: I hope you have a great day.

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Speaker 9: Hey, Happy birthday, Steve. I'm sure inspired millions of people,

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Speaker 9: including myself. It's almost as if you're getting younger. And yeah,

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Speaker 9: it's really cool to see and keep as an example

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Speaker 9: of how to live a life.

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Speaker 5: So here's to another fifty years.

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Speaker 8: Hey Steve, happy birthday from Minnesota. It has been just

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Speaker 8: an honor to get to teach you how to bowhunt

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Speaker 8: and fish. Oh you've been a pretty good student. And

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Speaker 8: I like that, so I hope you have a good birthday.

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Speaker 2: Buddy.

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Speaker 7: Hey, happy birthday, Steve.

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Speaker 1: Sheet, Happy birthday Stephen Ranella from me and my boy

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Speaker 1: mingus here. We're out on the mountain, Lion mountain, no

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Speaker 1: tracks today, it's still a fine day. I was thinking

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Speaker 1: for your birthday radio live episode, you could do a

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Speaker 1: hot tip for everybody on how to keep your head

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Speaker 1: warm in these super cold conditions, especially when your hair

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Speaker 1: is getting so thin. On top of like if you

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Speaker 1: have to wear two hats or maybe put a and

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Speaker 1: whom we're up there.

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Speaker 5: I don't know.

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Speaker 1: Exactly what you do. You can go ahead and say it,

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Speaker 1: what a dick, But that's what friends are for. On

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Speaker 1: your birthday. You got so many friends wish you have birthday.

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Speaker 1: I heard Cory Culkins had to give him all a

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Speaker 1: first like gift card to make these videos. But it's

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Speaker 1: all good. But in all seriousness, be grateful for what

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Speaker 1: you do have on your birthday, that awesome family of yours,

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Speaker 1: that's awesome thing called meat eater that you've created. And

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Speaker 1: as always, I'm grateful to call you a friend. And

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Speaker 1: let's get out here soon.

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Speaker 5: Look at him, mans come here, come here are you

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Speaker 5: ready to go. He's ready to go, right, I get

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Speaker 5: a Ryan for.

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Speaker 2: Yo. Steve, Happy birthday, man. I hope you're having a

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Speaker 2: good one.

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Speaker 9: Hey, buddy, it's Decoy Dave over here in Oregon trying

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Speaker 9: to get over COVID.

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Speaker 10: I just wanted to say happy birthday.

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Speaker 1: From me and from all of us at DSD, and

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Speaker 1: thanks for all your hard work and inspiration and creating

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Speaker 1: all this.

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Speaker 5: And hope that you and your family have a great one.

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Speaker 2: Every birthday, Steve.

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Speaker 6: For me in old way, I remember when I was

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Speaker 6: fifty one.

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Speaker 2: I think, all right, thank you everybody.

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Speaker 4: Happy birthday.

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Speaker 5: Happy birthday, Steve.

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Speaker 2: What Dirt didn't bring up? Oh look at this there.

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Speaker 5: You go, right, that's so cute.

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Speaker 2: What Dirt didn't bring up with his messages. Me and

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Speaker 2: him struck a deal where I gave him a brand

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Speaker 2: new climbing rope and he was supposed to give me

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Speaker 2: a little picture frame thing. Nothing haven't seen.

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Speaker 5: It hasn't happened yet.

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Speaker 2: No very asymmetrical deal anyways, and I got screwed on it.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, okay, that was the trim piece in your camper, right, Yeah?

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I didn't want to confuse everybody took me to

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Speaker 2: it would take me too long to explain. It's actually

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Speaker 2: trim piece for my camp.

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Speaker 5: But it's gonna look like a picture frame it is.

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Speaker 2: And because I ripped out the microwave of my camper,

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Speaker 2: because any telling you want to microwave something in my camper,

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Speaker 2: you gotta go turn the generator on. So if you're like, oh,

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Speaker 2: turn the generator on, come back in. By that point,

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Speaker 2: I just heat it up on the burner. Yeah, you

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Speaker 2: know it make any sense? So I ripped it out,

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Speaker 2: and we keep loads of bread up in there. But

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Speaker 2: All right, we're gonna go to Heather du Ville. Heather,

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Speaker 5: Good? Not yet?

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Speaker 3: But I prepare to drop for this, Steve, because I

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Speaker 2: Oh okay, so do you do you want to read

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Speaker 11: Number three, buddy, Oh, I'm looking at it.

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Speaker 2: Ready. Yeah, go ahead. Next up, we're going to check

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Speaker 2: in with Heather Duville for new segment. We're calling Fur

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Speaker 4: Phil that's your best one yet.

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Speaker 2: That was the best one ever. Man. You know what

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Speaker 5: That's great.

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Speaker 2: Glad you that. Here's how I'm going to intro the segment.

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Speaker 7: Watch that one a total surprise. I did not know

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Speaker 2: Bill, Can I verify that what people can see? No, no,

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Speaker 2: Okay, I'll check this out. Watch how long it takes

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Speaker 11: All the way all the way through? Wen, we've only

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Speaker 7: Oh, it's going over to the other you watch.

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Speaker 2: Imagine that thing. Yeah, oh that's crazy, Heather? Had I

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Speaker 7: Oh it's bigger than my deer that I got.

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Speaker 7: It's going? Well? You know, we a lot of people

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Speaker 7: for us. Sure, I've been working on I've been learning

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Speaker 7: So it's here stretched on a frame.

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Speaker 7: Yeah, So see, this is the seal skin that was

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Speaker 7: Yeah, seals are really oily. You have to wash them

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Speaker 7: they're really rubbery, so they'll stretch like ten times their

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Speaker 7: I think with sea otters, no, but with seals we

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Speaker 7: We can definitely you know, tan them here and convert

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Speaker 7: I brought my two toats here. I'm gonna grab a

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Speaker 7: So I'm really excited to learn this process. It's all

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Speaker 2: So when you come down to head I know you're

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Speaker 7: Yeah? So we can. We can make these solutions to

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Speaker 9: Yeah, what is it?

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Speaker 11: What would the timeline be from like killing a deer

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Speaker 2: Okay, okay, so you'll get us set up, like we'll

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Speaker 7: Yeah, you took it in the line and that takes

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Speaker 5: Can sew heather if you wanted to do it hair on.

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Speaker 7: It's a little different with seals. Yeah, you skip that

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Speaker 5: Gotcha, put it right in?

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Speaker 2: Yeah, No, man, I want the I want buckskin. You know,

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Speaker 2: Heather miled Man's saved up a bunch of his deer

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Speaker 5: It's great.

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Speaker 2: You never the seventies they'd put the belts on everything

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Speaker 11: Did you guys have Like during deer season, people would

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Speaker 2: No. But when our fur auction was Ravana fur auction,

442
00:24:41,080 --> 00:24:42,960
Speaker 2: and when you went to fur auction that everything was

443
00:24:43,000 --> 00:24:45,600
Speaker 2: bid on, like I would take this like this odd

444
00:24:45,720 --> 00:24:49,359
Speaker 2: would go up on the auction table, right and you

445
00:24:49,520 --> 00:24:52,840
Speaker 2: might you might have your you might have let's say

446
00:24:52,840 --> 00:24:58,480
Speaker 2: it was odters. You haven't divided large, medium, small, male, female,

447
00:24:58,880 --> 00:25:00,760
Speaker 2: and every one of those things is a lot, and

448
00:25:00,800 --> 00:25:03,600
Speaker 2: they all get bid on individually. So if your trapper

449
00:25:03,640 --> 00:25:08,560
Speaker 2: divides his muskrats into four piles, every pile gets bid on,

450
00:25:09,200 --> 00:25:11,959
Speaker 2: every trapper's every pile gets bit on. The way they

451
00:25:11,960 --> 00:25:14,439
Speaker 2: would handle deer skins is the first deer skin that

452
00:25:14,480 --> 00:25:17,760
Speaker 2: came across the table, they'd bid on that deer skin,

453
00:25:17,840 --> 00:25:20,800
Speaker 2: and then that buyer entered into a contract and he

454
00:25:20,880 --> 00:25:24,800
Speaker 2: bought every deer skin at that price, and it was

455
00:25:24,880 --> 00:25:26,400
Speaker 2: usually like four or five six.

456
00:25:26,280 --> 00:25:28,879
Speaker 4: Bucks, and he that's all going to a tannery to

457
00:25:28,920 --> 00:25:29,600
Speaker 4: get turned.

458
00:25:29,400 --> 00:25:31,879
Speaker 2: Into the buckskin, and guys would be out in the

459
00:25:31,880 --> 00:25:34,040
Speaker 2: parking lot cutting them in half and stuff, you know,

460
00:25:34,760 --> 00:25:38,000
Speaker 2: to roll it up and sell it as too. But

461
00:25:38,080 --> 00:25:40,359
Speaker 2: it was real common to sell them. But see, like

462
00:25:40,800 --> 00:25:43,919
Speaker 2: I don't think the price has changed. So in the

463
00:25:43,960 --> 00:25:46,880
Speaker 2: mid eighties it was five bucks. Now I think it's

464
00:25:46,920 --> 00:25:49,480
Speaker 2: five bucks now, and now that's like a buck. And

465
00:25:49,600 --> 00:25:52,399
Speaker 2: I think that people just don't it's just there's not

466
00:25:52,480 --> 00:25:56,520
Speaker 2: money in it. That leather mostly goes to gloves. So

467
00:25:56,640 --> 00:25:58,600
Speaker 2: I would dude, I would love to learn how to

468
00:25:58,640 --> 00:26:01,280
Speaker 2: make my own. I've just been too lazy to do it.

469
00:26:02,720 --> 00:26:04,560
Speaker 7: During the winter, I work on like I try to

470
00:26:04,600 --> 00:26:06,480
Speaker 7: make new patterns and try new things. I made a

471
00:26:06,520 --> 00:26:08,240
Speaker 7: sealskin coat which I have here.

472
00:26:08,320 --> 00:26:09,879
Speaker 2: Yeah, put that coat on real quick. I want to

473
00:26:09,920 --> 00:26:12,000
Speaker 2: see that. Then we got a Then we got a

474
00:26:12,080 --> 00:26:15,320
Speaker 2: question for you, a fan question. See that bad ass man?

475
00:26:15,960 --> 00:26:19,000
Speaker 2: Put that thing on? Oh you trimmed it in too.

476
00:26:19,280 --> 00:26:21,400
Speaker 4: That's like some natural camouflage there.

477
00:26:21,840 --> 00:26:25,520
Speaker 7: That's why I tell you snow camel a fully removable

478
00:26:25,920 --> 00:26:29,640
Speaker 7: washable liner. What weighs eight pounds and so.

479
00:26:31,320 --> 00:26:32,480
Speaker 5: It's like a weighted blanket.

480
00:26:32,520 --> 00:26:36,560
Speaker 2: Now that is amazing. Though, have you been running around that?

481
00:26:38,119 --> 00:26:40,359
Speaker 7: Oh? I wear it just in the house. I can't.

482
00:26:40,640 --> 00:26:41,520
Speaker 7: I just love this thing.

483
00:26:41,840 --> 00:26:44,280
Speaker 2: Could you? Would you be allowed to sell that jacket?

484
00:26:44,280 --> 00:26:46,480
Speaker 2: Would that be? Would that fit the definition of made

485
00:26:46,480 --> 00:26:52,080
Speaker 2: into something? Yes? Boy, I can't even hear. What would

486
00:26:52,119 --> 00:26:53,720
Speaker 2: you have to get for that jacket?

487
00:26:55,760 --> 00:26:57,920
Speaker 7: Oh? I don't even know. I don't think you could

488
00:26:57,960 --> 00:26:59,600
Speaker 7: put a value on things like this. I mean this

489
00:26:59,720 --> 00:27:02,760
Speaker 7: is a custom like pattern. I made the pattern from

490
00:27:02,760 --> 00:27:07,440
Speaker 7: a coat that I really liked and saved. And yeah,

491
00:27:07,800 --> 00:27:09,800
Speaker 7: I do have I have one other new pattern. I'm

492
00:27:09,800 --> 00:27:15,320
Speaker 7: gonna show you. Somebody wrote in and it has a question.

493
00:27:15,520 --> 00:27:16,840
Speaker 2: Yeah, we're gonna hit with that question.

494
00:27:18,040 --> 00:27:21,480
Speaker 7: But this other this is super special. So I've never

495
00:27:21,520 --> 00:27:23,960
Speaker 7: done this before. But do you guys know what this is?

496
00:27:25,760 --> 00:27:32,320
Speaker 2: Yeah? No, yeah, yeah, I was gonna say electric blanket,

497
00:27:32,320 --> 00:27:34,720
Speaker 2: but then I was like, that's a very small like it.

498
00:27:35,920 --> 00:27:41,399
Speaker 7: When you when you get old, everything hurts. So for

499
00:27:41,480 --> 00:27:45,159
Speaker 7: Steve's birthday, I am making a custom for cover for

500
00:27:45,240 --> 00:27:52,399
Speaker 7: this pad. Yeah, to help with all of those aches

501
00:27:52,440 --> 00:27:54,920
Speaker 7: and pains and midlife crises.

502
00:27:56,680 --> 00:27:59,960
Speaker 2: That's a novel product. Yeah, I'm gonna plug it in

503
00:28:00,040 --> 00:28:01,480
Speaker 2: and get a long extension cord.

504
00:28:01,600 --> 00:28:01,840
Speaker 5: Take that.

505
00:28:08,600 --> 00:28:10,120
Speaker 2: Okay, here's a question from a fan.

506
00:28:12,760 --> 00:28:16,000
Speaker 7: This is a help with the traditional words.

507
00:28:17,080 --> 00:28:20,439
Speaker 2: Okay, you want you want to do the question. I

508
00:28:20,440 --> 00:28:21,840
Speaker 2: was going to read your question, but.

509
00:28:21,880 --> 00:28:24,520
Speaker 7: This there's some fling get in there.

510
00:28:24,600 --> 00:28:29,119
Speaker 2: So I thought, oh, then you do it. Go ahead, Okay,

511
00:28:29,280 --> 00:28:33,200
Speaker 2: I'll do it. Then you do it. So Heather was asked,

512
00:28:33,240 --> 00:28:36,240
Speaker 2: how far are you typically shooting when sea otter hunting.

513
00:28:37,720 --> 00:28:40,360
Speaker 2: I'm kickside.

514
00:28:42,040 --> 00:28:46,200
Speaker 7: Uh it's Kiksadi. That's the clan he belongs to, which

515
00:28:46,240 --> 00:28:46,760
Speaker 7: is Raven.

516
00:28:47,160 --> 00:28:51,080
Speaker 2: Okay, I'm Kiksadi. Out of Sitka and hoping to harvest

517
00:28:51,080 --> 00:28:54,840
Speaker 2: my first sea otter this weekend, weather permitting, that's cool,

518
00:28:54,920 --> 00:29:02,640
Speaker 2: And any other tips they ask.

519
00:29:02,080 --> 00:29:07,680
Speaker 3: Then it says, oh, yeah, Heather, I didn't I didn't

520
00:29:07,720 --> 00:29:10,840
Speaker 3: give that last part to Steve. Yeah, that's my fault.

521
00:29:11,120 --> 00:29:14,200
Speaker 7: Okay. Goodness cheese to you and the meat eater crew.

522
00:29:14,320 --> 00:29:17,920
Speaker 7: Goodness cheese means thank you. And this is from Naje

523
00:29:18,360 --> 00:29:19,720
Speaker 7: that's his traditional name.

524
00:29:21,000 --> 00:29:22,760
Speaker 2: That's great ling.

525
00:29:22,840 --> 00:29:27,320
Speaker 7: It from Sitka Raven, which is my opposite. I'm Ego clan.

526
00:29:28,600 --> 00:29:31,920
Speaker 7: So how far are you okay? So typically you're shooting

527
00:29:31,960 --> 00:29:36,400
Speaker 7: from the boat and I would say within one hundred

528
00:29:36,480 --> 00:29:40,480
Speaker 7: yards up. Sometimes you can get off on a rock

529
00:29:40,560 --> 00:29:43,200
Speaker 7: and shoot and you know, get a rest and aim farther,

530
00:29:43,280 --> 00:29:51,400
Speaker 7: but that really rarely happens. Any other tips, I would

531
00:29:51,880 --> 00:29:55,520
Speaker 7: say it helps to have a good driver who of

532
00:29:55,560 --> 00:29:59,280
Speaker 7: course they have to be eligible to participate by the

533
00:29:59,320 --> 00:30:04,840
Speaker 7: Marine man Action Act guidelines. But well it's not guidelines,

534
00:30:04,880 --> 00:30:08,160
Speaker 7: it's the law. But I would say when you're approaching

535
00:30:08,240 --> 00:30:10,960
Speaker 7: sea otter, make sure you go with the swell or

536
00:30:10,960 --> 00:30:14,360
Speaker 7: the chop instead of against it. That way you're getting

537
00:30:14,520 --> 00:30:19,560
Speaker 7: a smoother approach. And it helps to have a really

538
00:30:19,600 --> 00:30:24,960
Speaker 7: light like a hair trigger, real light trigger and just

539
00:30:25,000 --> 00:30:28,960
Speaker 7: takes a lot of practice and miss a lot. And

540
00:30:29,040 --> 00:30:31,640
Speaker 7: we shoot everything that we harvest. So whether it's a

541
00:30:31,680 --> 00:30:35,120
Speaker 7: sea otter, CEO d or we shoot, we try to

542
00:30:35,120 --> 00:30:38,200
Speaker 7: shoot everything in the head so it doesn't suffer. And

543
00:30:38,200 --> 00:30:41,840
Speaker 7: that way we ensure that the pelt isn't damaged and

544
00:30:41,880 --> 00:30:43,520
Speaker 7: the meat is not damaged.

545
00:30:43,680 --> 00:30:48,840
Speaker 4: So what what uh cartridge are you shooting them with? Heather?

546
00:30:50,320 --> 00:30:53,880
Speaker 7: I started out shooting with a two two and now

547
00:30:54,720 --> 00:30:57,360
Speaker 7: last year I got a AR so the two two

548
00:30:57,360 --> 00:30:59,400
Speaker 7: three one.

549
00:30:59,840 --> 00:31:01,640
Speaker 2: A think I know about how they're shooting. And she

550
00:31:01,680 --> 00:31:05,840
Speaker 2: explained it to me as well. Is she's not kind

551
00:31:05,840 --> 00:31:08,080
Speaker 2: of hard to describe. Maybe you can help me when

552
00:31:08,120 --> 00:31:12,000
Speaker 2: I bring this up. She's not fighting the movement. She's

553
00:31:12,000 --> 00:31:13,880
Speaker 2: not fighting the movement of the boat.

554
00:31:13,720 --> 00:31:14,760
Speaker 4: Like using the movement.

555
00:31:14,920 --> 00:31:18,360
Speaker 2: Yeah, she's like she's saying that you have this tendency

556
00:31:18,400 --> 00:31:20,720
Speaker 2: to kind of want to like somehow rule out the

557
00:31:20,720 --> 00:31:24,880
Speaker 2: movement in the boat or overcome it. But she's she's giving,

558
00:31:25,000 --> 00:31:27,520
Speaker 2: she's like jibing with the movement, you know, time in it.

559
00:31:28,080 --> 00:31:31,560
Speaker 7: Yeah, like having a good driver. My dad knows how

560
00:31:31,560 --> 00:31:33,240
Speaker 7: to hunt, so he knows how to put you on

561
00:31:33,800 --> 00:31:37,360
Speaker 7: the sea otter. But but you want to shoot before

562
00:31:37,440 --> 00:31:41,000
Speaker 7: they dive under. So they're kind of laying there eating

563
00:31:41,160 --> 00:31:43,880
Speaker 7: and then they when you approach them, they sometimes they

564
00:31:43,920 --> 00:31:47,280
Speaker 7: go see what's coming at him. You want to get

565
00:31:47,280 --> 00:31:48,960
Speaker 7: a shot off right then. So you want to be

566
00:31:49,000 --> 00:31:52,480
Speaker 7: ready because when they start to dive, it turns into this.

567
00:31:53,720 --> 00:31:55,640
Speaker 7: It reminds you of those games at the arcade where

568
00:31:55,640 --> 00:31:56,040
Speaker 7: you like.

569
00:31:56,000 --> 00:31:56,720
Speaker 4: Are sack them.

570
00:31:56,720 --> 00:32:00,400
Speaker 7: Holes are popping up and you just don't know yep,

571
00:32:00,680 --> 00:32:03,560
Speaker 7: and it becomes more difficult. But yeah, so the boat

572
00:32:03,680 --> 00:32:08,000
Speaker 7: is moving with the swell. They're moving in a distance

573
00:32:08,040 --> 00:32:10,720
Speaker 7: at a different rate, so I kind of go on

574
00:32:10,760 --> 00:32:13,560
Speaker 7: my tippy toes and bend my knees and you want

575
00:32:13,600 --> 00:32:16,400
Speaker 7: to like move with the swell. And you're not going

576
00:32:16,480 --> 00:32:19,040
Speaker 7: to get a steady aim and get those cross hairs

577
00:32:19,080 --> 00:32:20,640
Speaker 7: on them for very long. So you just want to

578
00:32:20,640 --> 00:32:25,600
Speaker 7: shoot right when your cross hairs past their head. And yes,

579
00:32:25,760 --> 00:32:27,400
Speaker 7: it just takes practice.

580
00:32:27,480 --> 00:32:30,959
Speaker 11: And is there any danger of those otters sink in

581
00:32:31,080 --> 00:32:34,960
Speaker 11: like a seal mite or do they just stay afloat after.

582
00:32:34,720 --> 00:32:35,280
Speaker 2: You kill them?

583
00:32:36,120 --> 00:32:40,120
Speaker 7: My first sea otter ever got sunk, but they rarely sink.

584
00:32:40,160 --> 00:32:41,480
Speaker 7: You want to shoot them in the head and their

585
00:32:41,560 --> 00:32:45,000
Speaker 7: fur is so yeah dense, and it traps that air,

586
00:32:46,160 --> 00:32:50,360
Speaker 7: you know, in the undercoat. They'll float. But occasionally if

587
00:32:50,400 --> 00:32:54,520
Speaker 7: you shoot a little low and they dive, they might

588
00:32:54,600 --> 00:32:58,880
Speaker 7: try to take a breath and breathing water and then sink,

589
00:32:59,200 --> 00:33:04,960
Speaker 7: but that doesn't happen very often. And I would you

590
00:33:05,040 --> 00:33:07,600
Speaker 7: need to skin them right away because of the for

591
00:33:07,800 --> 00:33:11,040
Speaker 7: density they hold onto their heat even if it's zero

592
00:33:11,080 --> 00:33:13,960
Speaker 7: degrees out, they'll stay warm for a really long time

593
00:33:14,000 --> 00:33:17,040
Speaker 7: and the belly will get green and they'll spoil. So

594
00:33:17,880 --> 00:33:21,560
Speaker 7: skin them right away. And yeah, make sure you take

595
00:33:21,600 --> 00:33:25,080
Speaker 7: good care of the materials that you get.

596
00:33:25,320 --> 00:33:27,720
Speaker 5: Right away, Heather. You mean like you you're skinning them

597
00:33:27,760 --> 00:33:29,320
Speaker 5: on the boat, like as soon as they come in.

598
00:33:30,120 --> 00:33:32,800
Speaker 7: Either on the boat if if you can, but usually

599
00:33:32,840 --> 00:33:37,120
Speaker 7: you're cruising trying to hunt and get as many as

600
00:33:37,120 --> 00:33:40,920
Speaker 7: you can. And as soon as I get home, I

601
00:33:40,960 --> 00:33:43,000
Speaker 7: skin them on a tailgate which is the perfect height.

602
00:33:43,000 --> 00:33:44,520
Speaker 7: And we don't hang them when we skin them. I

603
00:33:44,600 --> 00:33:48,640
Speaker 7: just roll them, you know, on my tailgate and that

604
00:33:48,680 --> 00:33:49,840
Speaker 7: seems to work best for me.

605
00:33:51,080 --> 00:33:54,040
Speaker 2: Good Daln cool. Well, thanks for joining, Heather.

606
00:33:54,680 --> 00:33:56,560
Speaker 7: Yeah, thank you. Happy birthday, Steve.

607
00:33:56,800 --> 00:33:59,640
Speaker 2: Thank you very much. We'll talk to you again soon.

608
00:34:00,000 --> 00:34:01,360
Speaker 2: It's great to have you on and I look forward

609
00:34:01,400 --> 00:34:05,360
Speaker 2: to talking to you next time too. All right, Phil

610
00:34:05,440 --> 00:34:07,000
Speaker 2: listener feedback, You got it, buddy.

611
00:34:07,080 --> 00:34:09,239
Speaker 3: Yeah, we've got a few. I just reminded everyone gets

612
00:34:09,239 --> 00:34:10,640
Speaker 3: some questions in. If you want, we're gonna do another

613
00:34:10,640 --> 00:34:11,840
Speaker 3: one of these at the very end of the show,

614
00:34:12,800 --> 00:34:14,279
Speaker 3: or I might be able to catch them right now.

615
00:34:14,400 --> 00:34:14,920
Speaker 5: Be fast.

616
00:34:15,800 --> 00:34:18,680
Speaker 3: First, one, let's see, this is about hunting history Steve.

617
00:34:18,920 --> 00:34:22,279
Speaker 3: Episode two. Someone's asking Grant is asking have they not

618
00:34:22,360 --> 00:34:25,400
Speaker 3: used any light ar technology on those glaciers? Seems like

619
00:34:25,440 --> 00:34:26,880
Speaker 3: you might find some fun stuff.

620
00:34:27,160 --> 00:34:30,960
Speaker 2: That's one thing no one brought up to me. Okay, yeah, right,

621
00:34:31,520 --> 00:34:34,640
Speaker 2: I'm trying to even think if boy, I don't you know,

622
00:34:35,280 --> 00:34:37,520
Speaker 2: I've been with people using light art. I don't even

623
00:34:37,560 --> 00:34:40,839
Speaker 2: know how, you know, I altoly don't know how that

624
00:34:40,880 --> 00:34:45,280
Speaker 2: technology works up against all that that all that ice,

625
00:34:45,320 --> 00:34:49,000
Speaker 2: and like, yeah, a glacier's got a lot of air

626
00:34:49,320 --> 00:34:52,640
Speaker 2: in it. Yeah, I have no way. I'm already over

627
00:34:52,680 --> 00:34:54,239
Speaker 2: my waiters. I have no idea. I had no one

628
00:34:54,239 --> 00:34:55,640
Speaker 2: mentioned that to me, though, I can tell you that.

629
00:34:55,800 --> 00:34:57,080
Speaker 5: Yeah.

630
00:34:57,120 --> 00:34:59,640
Speaker 3: Colin asks, well, I guess she first, he says, Steve,

631
00:34:59,680 --> 00:35:01,840
Speaker 3: I lost an inch of my pinky in a framing accident,

632
00:35:01,920 --> 00:35:04,640
Speaker 3: pitched it, pinched it in a lift. He's torn between

633
00:35:04,640 --> 00:35:06,400
Speaker 3: turning it into a fishing floor or sending it to

634
00:35:06,480 --> 00:35:08,280
Speaker 3: us to put in the Werner Bratsler machine.

635
00:35:08,320 --> 00:35:10,600
Speaker 2: Oh that's a great idea. If you send it over,

636
00:35:10,880 --> 00:35:12,719
Speaker 2: if it's nice and frozen, I'd like to eat it,

637
00:35:13,239 --> 00:35:15,960
Speaker 2: because I'm trying to find a way to be like

638
00:35:16,000 --> 00:35:19,320
Speaker 2: a subject matter expert on cannibalism without killing anybody.

639
00:35:19,440 --> 00:35:21,719
Speaker 11: I tried to explain my kids the other day that

640
00:35:22,640 --> 00:35:25,879
Speaker 11: cannibals they would call human meat long pork, and there

641
00:35:26,239 --> 00:35:27,120
Speaker 11: they weren't buying it.

642
00:35:27,440 --> 00:35:29,319
Speaker 2: No, I've heard that. Yeah, yeah, I'd like a little

643
00:35:29,320 --> 00:35:33,520
Speaker 2: long pork. How much you got? Is it meaty? If not,

644
00:35:33,719 --> 00:35:36,600
Speaker 2: I would put it into a I would. I would

645
00:35:36,880 --> 00:35:39,000
Speaker 2: if I had that happened to me, I would put

646
00:35:39,040 --> 00:35:42,920
Speaker 2: it into a little jar of and then people to

647
00:35:42,960 --> 00:35:45,440
Speaker 2: come over and display it, and I'd be like, I

648
00:35:45,480 --> 00:35:46,200
Speaker 2: guess what that is?

649
00:35:46,560 --> 00:35:49,880
Speaker 11: Turn that that pinky bone into a little pendant for

650
00:35:49,920 --> 00:35:50,520
Speaker 11: a necklace.

651
00:35:50,600 --> 00:35:53,800
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's what my boy's collar is. Little surgery stuff

652
00:35:53,840 --> 00:35:55,160
Speaker 2: they removed. I made a necklace.

653
00:35:55,520 --> 00:35:57,200
Speaker 4: Oh, you put it in a POxy.

654
00:35:56,840 --> 00:35:58,960
Speaker 2: That's next question.

655
00:35:59,280 --> 00:36:03,320
Speaker 3: Andreas asks he if if you see well, he specifically

656
00:36:03,320 --> 00:36:05,520
Speaker 3: asked you, Steve, when you use fur as a wallhanger,

657
00:36:05,560 --> 00:36:06,960
Speaker 3: do you leave it dried or do you get it

658
00:36:07,000 --> 00:36:07,960
Speaker 3: tanned before hanging it?

659
00:36:08,160 --> 00:36:08,239
Speaker 7: Oh?

660
00:36:08,320 --> 00:36:10,480
Speaker 2: No, no, no, no no, I get it tanned. I get

661
00:36:10,480 --> 00:36:14,200
Speaker 2: it tanned. What I'm holding right here is flesh stretched,

662
00:36:15,480 --> 00:36:18,840
Speaker 2: fleshed and stretched. And this lasts a long time. I

663
00:36:18,880 --> 00:36:21,600
Speaker 2: can't get my angle right where you can appreciate the immensity.

664
00:36:24,120 --> 00:36:27,879
Speaker 2: But no, you'll get it. And also this is leather out,

665
00:36:28,000 --> 00:36:30,279
Speaker 2: so when you tan, it'll flip. And then I use

666
00:36:30,320 --> 00:36:32,160
Speaker 2: those as wallhangers.

667
00:36:33,960 --> 00:36:37,959
Speaker 3: Jove and figuoa. I guess asks first, he says, happy birthday, Steve.

668
00:36:37,960 --> 00:36:40,040
Speaker 3: A question for everyone at the table. Has anyone ever

669
00:36:40,040 --> 00:36:43,160
Speaker 3: had any awkward situations dragging deer through permitted public hunting

670
00:36:43,200 --> 00:36:45,000
Speaker 3: areas like parks or conservancies?

671
00:36:46,040 --> 00:36:47,360
Speaker 2: No, but I'm sensitive to it.

672
00:36:49,880 --> 00:36:52,239
Speaker 4: I don't think, well, I mean awkward for who is

673
00:36:52,280 --> 00:36:55,120
Speaker 4: the question? I guess it's not awkward for me. But yeah,

674
00:36:55,160 --> 00:36:56,680
Speaker 4: I've carried some.

675
00:36:56,719 --> 00:36:59,960
Speaker 11: Mule deer bucks down an escalator at a ski resort

676
00:37:00,080 --> 00:37:03,920
Speaker 11: one time. That was pretty interesting.

677
00:37:04,680 --> 00:37:05,960
Speaker 5: Uh.

678
00:37:06,080 --> 00:37:09,000
Speaker 2: Yeah, I know what you're talking about, and I have

679
00:37:09,160 --> 00:37:11,719
Speaker 2: tended to I actually had this discussion with a friend

680
00:37:11,719 --> 00:37:14,359
Speaker 2: of mine once where it wasn't a dear. We were

681
00:37:14,400 --> 00:37:18,040
Speaker 2: carrying something up to a public parking lot mm hm,

682
00:37:18,560 --> 00:37:20,279
Speaker 2: and I was wanting to hide it. He's like, nothing

683
00:37:20,280 --> 00:37:22,160
Speaker 2: to be ashamed of. I'm like, I'm not ashamed. I

684
00:37:22,280 --> 00:37:24,359
Speaker 2: just like it's not like a matter of shame. I'm

685
00:37:24,400 --> 00:37:26,799
Speaker 2: just I like to be low pro Yeah, Like I

686
00:37:26,840 --> 00:37:29,279
Speaker 2: just don't. It's just I just prefer to be low

687
00:37:29,320 --> 00:37:33,000
Speaker 2: profile about it. It's like it's like zero shame. I

688
00:37:33,000 --> 00:37:35,719
Speaker 2: would just be like, why if it's a place I

689
00:37:35,840 --> 00:37:40,040
Speaker 2: like to hang out, why even draw like a little

690
00:37:40,040 --> 00:37:42,400
Speaker 2: bit of a or get someone pissed off or create

691
00:37:42,480 --> 00:37:45,759
Speaker 2: some headache or someone calling, even if you didn't do

692
00:37:45,800 --> 00:37:48,520
Speaker 2: anything wrong. The fact that they're going to call the cops.

693
00:37:49,080 --> 00:37:51,200
Speaker 11: I know that it's wrong and then you're gonna have

694
00:37:51,200 --> 00:37:53,560
Speaker 11: to explain your even though you didn't do anything.

695
00:37:53,800 --> 00:37:56,799
Speaker 2: So I usually just go like low profile in any

696
00:37:56,880 --> 00:37:58,800
Speaker 2: kind of situation like that, Like even at a public

697
00:37:58,960 --> 00:38:00,719
Speaker 2: if there's if you're parking a dark hunting at a

698
00:38:00,760 --> 00:38:03,080
Speaker 2: spot and other people are using the same parking lot,

699
00:38:03,560 --> 00:38:06,919
Speaker 2: I don't come out just like you know, throwing ducks

700
00:38:06,960 --> 00:38:09,520
Speaker 2: all over place. I'll throw them around later, but I

701
00:38:09,640 --> 00:38:11,839
Speaker 2: just kind of go, like just slip out of here,

702
00:38:12,160 --> 00:38:12,720
Speaker 2: make a scene.

703
00:38:12,800 --> 00:38:14,839
Speaker 5: I used to hunt a bunch in New Jersey back

704
00:38:14,840 --> 00:38:17,759
Speaker 5: in the day, and it was often like real small

705
00:38:17,800 --> 00:38:22,920
Speaker 5: woodlots and you would always have to like be real

706
00:38:23,000 --> 00:38:26,080
Speaker 5: careful about shot placement because you didn't want to like

707
00:38:26,640 --> 00:38:28,759
Speaker 5: get the run over and die in the neighbor's yard,

708
00:38:28,760 --> 00:38:30,200
Speaker 5: like especially if there's snow on the ground.

709
00:38:30,360 --> 00:38:30,600
Speaker 2: Yep.

710
00:38:30,680 --> 00:38:33,400
Speaker 5: I just heard some horror stories like deer dying in

711
00:38:33,440 --> 00:38:37,160
Speaker 5: swimming pools, and oh, like yeah, it was you know,

712
00:38:37,600 --> 00:38:39,920
Speaker 5: it was something you kind of had to watch out

713
00:38:39,960 --> 00:38:41,320
Speaker 5: for when you're hunting.

714
00:38:41,320 --> 00:38:44,200
Speaker 2: No small parcels reducing tensions.

715
00:38:44,280 --> 00:38:49,640
Speaker 3: Yeah, next question, Kentucky Thunder Outdoors says happy birthday. If

716
00:38:49,640 --> 00:38:51,160
Speaker 3: you had to choose, would you wear a cowboy hat

717
00:38:51,160 --> 00:38:52,760
Speaker 3: for a month or eat vegan for a year.

718
00:38:53,120 --> 00:38:54,120
Speaker 2: I'd go cowboy hat.

719
00:38:54,920 --> 00:39:00,879
Speaker 5: Yeah, Kentucky Thunder, I like that. I like that name.

720
00:39:01,719 --> 00:39:02,520
Speaker 2: That is a good name.

721
00:39:02,560 --> 00:39:04,080
Speaker 5: Man. I got a big strut and gobbler.

722
00:39:04,120 --> 00:39:05,719
Speaker 2: I know, if I was going turkey hunting with a

723
00:39:05,800 --> 00:39:08,560
Speaker 2: dude named Kentucky Thunder Outdoors, I'd be like, we're gonna get.

724
00:39:08,480 --> 00:39:10,640
Speaker 4: Something, and you'd be wearing a hat cowboy hat.

725
00:39:12,360 --> 00:39:14,080
Speaker 5: We'll do one more for this round.

726
00:39:14,400 --> 00:39:18,359
Speaker 3: Jeremy from Australia says, asks if you've have you ever

727
00:39:18,360 --> 00:39:21,319
Speaker 3: had any any encounters when predators harassed attacked your pack

728
00:39:21,360 --> 00:39:22,600
Speaker 3: animals when you were hunting.

729
00:39:24,280 --> 00:39:28,400
Speaker 2: I have certainly heard of them. I have had, but

730
00:39:28,520 --> 00:39:35,799
Speaker 2: I have witnessed personally only the opposite where elk would

731
00:39:35,840 --> 00:39:40,280
Speaker 2: take a great interest and uh take a great interest

732
00:39:40,280 --> 00:39:43,440
Speaker 2: in livestock at a couple occasions. But no, I've definitely

733
00:39:43,440 --> 00:39:44,640
Speaker 2: heard of that. I've never seen it, but I don't

734
00:39:44,640 --> 00:39:47,000
Speaker 2: holpe with livestock a lot. I'm not like I'm the

735
00:39:47,080 --> 00:39:49,239
Speaker 2: last guy I would ask a livestock question too.

736
00:39:50,000 --> 00:39:53,160
Speaker 11: Yes, No, I mean I've had my dog run into

737
00:39:53,200 --> 00:39:56,320
Speaker 11: a bear a couple of times, but no livestock issues.

738
00:39:56,920 --> 00:39:58,239
Speaker 2: You're all going to give you a different piece of

739
00:39:58,280 --> 00:40:03,279
Speaker 2: advice if you we're gonna ask livestock questions. I've learned it.

740
00:40:03,360 --> 00:40:05,840
Speaker 2: You can only ask a livestock question. This is gonna

741
00:40:05,840 --> 00:40:08,960
Speaker 2: sound like this is gonna annoy people. You can only

742
00:40:08,960 --> 00:40:12,960
Speaker 2: ask a livestock question as someone that was raised around livestock. Yeah,

743
00:40:13,160 --> 00:40:15,080
Speaker 2: Like it's not one of those things you can come

744
00:40:15,120 --> 00:40:18,800
Speaker 2: into late in life. Right, there's just too much subtlety

745
00:40:18,840 --> 00:40:21,560
Speaker 2: to it, you know, like guys that really know about horses, Like,

746
00:40:21,560 --> 00:40:23,360
Speaker 2: you see a horse, it looks like a horse to me,

747
00:40:23,840 --> 00:40:25,799
Speaker 2: and people will be like, oh, no, he like is

748
00:40:25,840 --> 00:40:28,680
Speaker 2: having whatever problem or he's you know what I mean.

749
00:40:28,800 --> 00:40:30,279
Speaker 2: They just they can just sense it.

750
00:40:30,440 --> 00:40:30,640
Speaker 5: Yeah.

751
00:40:30,680 --> 00:40:33,520
Speaker 11: I feel like I looked at a horse that maybe

752
00:40:33,560 --> 00:40:36,360
Speaker 11: had like one little lameness in its leg. I wouldn't

753
00:40:36,360 --> 00:40:38,799
Speaker 11: see anything, but that guy would be like, you can't

754
00:40:38,840 --> 00:40:39,439
Speaker 11: ride that one.

755
00:40:39,520 --> 00:40:41,000
Speaker 2: Yeah, they'll know, Like they'll be able to tell you

756
00:40:41,040 --> 00:40:44,120
Speaker 2: about its parents and stuff. You can't get that. No,

757
00:40:44,560 --> 00:40:46,759
Speaker 2: it's amazing people that grew up around it.

758
00:40:46,800 --> 00:40:47,000
Speaker 1: You know.

759
00:40:47,160 --> 00:40:49,120
Speaker 2: It's just one of those things you gotta absorb. So yeah,

760
00:40:49,120 --> 00:40:51,000
Speaker 2: i'd go find I wouldn't talk to me about it,

761
00:40:51,800 --> 00:40:53,000
Speaker 2: but no, I'd be able to tell you if something

762
00:40:53,000 --> 00:40:55,440
Speaker 2: showed up in a bear ate something that's never happened,

763
00:40:55,560 --> 00:40:59,000
Speaker 2: but it happens. I think, just to be a little

764
00:40:59,040 --> 00:41:02,279
Speaker 2: more helpful, I've more I guess even what I'm saying,

765
00:41:02,320 --> 00:41:05,760
Speaker 2: I've heard more about stuff coming for the feed mmm,

766
00:41:06,880 --> 00:41:09,520
Speaker 2: like bears getting tuned into the to the to the

767
00:41:09,560 --> 00:41:11,879
Speaker 2: supplement the grain and stuff for the horse.

768
00:41:11,960 --> 00:41:15,320
Speaker 11: I think a bigger danger than predators killing your livestock

769
00:41:15,480 --> 00:41:18,600
Speaker 11: is livestock killing you if you're using horses or mules,

770
00:41:18,640 --> 00:41:19,839
Speaker 11: you know, yeah, doing things.

771
00:41:20,040 --> 00:41:21,920
Speaker 2: Yeah yeah, if I had a pistol with me, that's

772
00:41:21,960 --> 00:41:27,080
Speaker 2: what my pistol before shooting the horse, trying to defend

773
00:41:27,120 --> 00:41:27,840
Speaker 2: myself from the.

774
00:41:27,880 --> 00:41:30,840
Speaker 5: Yeah, yeah, I've seen some horse wrecks.

775
00:41:31,320 --> 00:41:34,319
Speaker 2: All right, Uh, throw back Thursday. This is gonna take

776
00:41:34,400 --> 00:41:37,759
Speaker 2: require ten minutes, from eleven thirty five to eleven forty five.

777
00:41:37,800 --> 00:41:38,759
Speaker 4: What time is it film?

778
00:41:38,800 --> 00:41:41,360
Speaker 2: It's eleven forty one. We're already screwed.

779
00:41:42,160 --> 00:41:48,480
Speaker 3: It's over, So back on a Thursday, mon, Stephen Brody,

780
00:41:48,640 --> 00:41:50,600
Speaker 3: take me back to nineteen six.

781
00:41:53,040 --> 00:41:57,000
Speaker 4: This is my favorite one of his songs. And I

782
00:41:57,160 --> 00:42:00,479
Speaker 4: mentioned Stephen Brody world Ship.

783
00:42:01,960 --> 00:42:03,920
Speaker 2: It's fitting because you're one year older today.

784
00:42:04,480 --> 00:42:06,640
Speaker 4: He's past the point where birthdays matter.

785
00:42:06,480 --> 00:42:09,520
Speaker 2: Though, Oh dude, it really doesn't matter, you know, it

786
00:42:09,560 --> 00:42:13,440
Speaker 2: really doesn't matter. My kids today were it's so funny.

787
00:42:13,840 --> 00:42:16,040
Speaker 2: My little boy, my older boy, and he's in wood

788
00:42:16,080 --> 00:42:21,040
Speaker 2: shop and he'd made a honey dipper. You know what

789
00:42:21,040 --> 00:42:21,640
Speaker 2: do you call honey?

790
00:42:21,719 --> 00:42:23,560
Speaker 4: Yeah, the little thing with the roofs in it.

791
00:42:23,760 --> 00:42:26,839
Speaker 2: But the kid who was responsible for staying in them

792
00:42:26,840 --> 00:42:30,359
Speaker 2: all put like a lead based stain or something. So

793
00:42:30,400 --> 00:42:32,120
Speaker 2: my boy's like he gives it to me. He's like,

794
00:42:32,160 --> 00:42:35,040
Speaker 2: you can't really though, it's more like just for show,

795
00:42:36,280 --> 00:42:40,520
Speaker 2: because he says, because it's got like actual stain on it. Oh,

796
00:42:40,560 --> 00:42:41,000
Speaker 2: look at that.

797
00:42:43,400 --> 00:42:45,880
Speaker 5: You can get them.

798
00:42:46,200 --> 00:42:48,800
Speaker 11: You can eat while we're doing our little throwback.

799
00:42:48,920 --> 00:42:50,440
Speaker 2: Yeah, and put my ring onto.

800
00:42:52,000 --> 00:42:52,040
Speaker 11: This.

801
00:42:52,080 --> 00:42:54,440
Speaker 5: Shouldn't take one of our shorter throwbacks.

802
00:42:54,880 --> 00:42:57,480
Speaker 2: Phil's kind of undersounding the shore back throwback segment, not

803
00:42:57,520 --> 00:42:58,480
Speaker 2: real interested in it.

804
00:42:58,640 --> 00:42:59,759
Speaker 5: Oh no, it's a good one.

805
00:43:00,000 --> 00:43:01,600
Speaker 3: It's just not as jam packed as other ones because

806
00:43:01,600 --> 00:43:06,080
Speaker 3: Steve's not participating. Seth, we love you go first here.

807
00:43:07,080 --> 00:43:11,319
Speaker 5: Yeah, this photo here, I just had to go through

808
00:43:11,320 --> 00:43:13,759
Speaker 5: my cell phone real quick to see what I had

809
00:43:13,760 --> 00:43:15,440
Speaker 5: on there because it was, you know, a late notice

810
00:43:15,440 --> 00:43:17,279
Speaker 5: since Randall ditched us here.

811
00:43:17,320 --> 00:43:18,879
Speaker 2: But uh, that's a giant beaver.

812
00:43:19,360 --> 00:43:21,720
Speaker 5: This was I think the first time we went trapping together.

813
00:43:22,120 --> 00:43:26,759
Speaker 5: We filmed that little thing for YouTube, and yeah, we

814
00:43:26,840 --> 00:43:30,399
Speaker 5: caught a few nice beavers, but this was the biggest one.

815
00:43:31,560 --> 00:43:33,840
Speaker 2: I could tell it's a long time ago because I

816
00:43:33,840 --> 00:43:35,080
Speaker 2: don't have a blue shirt like that.

817
00:43:37,160 --> 00:43:42,480
Speaker 5: Yeah. I think it was twenty one, maybe twenty That

818
00:43:42,600 --> 00:43:49,720
Speaker 5: might have been twenty God, I was probably twenty.

819
00:43:48,280 --> 00:43:50,000
Speaker 3: And then we've got this video seth and then yeah,

820
00:43:50,000 --> 00:43:54,360
Speaker 3: this is just a video from the fish shack. This

821
00:43:54,520 --> 00:43:57,320
Speaker 3: was an old rusted double barrel that Steve has up there.

822
00:43:57,080 --> 00:43:59,759
Speaker 3: We're curious if it's still shot or blow up.

823
00:43:59,800 --> 00:44:00,840
Speaker 5: So you had that helmet on.

824
00:44:04,520 --> 00:44:05,879
Speaker 2: I don't even remember this.

825
00:44:10,880 --> 00:44:22,839
Speaker 11: It's hard to keep guns working up there. Uh.

826
00:44:22,880 --> 00:44:24,279
Speaker 5: At the end here he says, I'm gonna hang it

827
00:44:24,400 --> 00:44:25,359
Speaker 5: up and let it rust some more.

828
00:44:27,960 --> 00:44:29,600
Speaker 2: Hang that back home, let it russ some more.

829
00:44:35,120 --> 00:44:38,720
Speaker 5: Yeah, good times. Let's see that's pretty.

830
00:44:38,640 --> 00:44:41,080
Speaker 4: Oh yeah, show the other one first, philm.

831
00:44:40,920 --> 00:44:41,839
Speaker 2: Oh, sorry about that.

832
00:44:41,880 --> 00:44:42,759
Speaker 4: There's an order to this.

833
00:44:43,160 --> 00:44:43,520
Speaker 5: Look like.

834
00:44:45,840 --> 00:44:49,160
Speaker 11: This is uh, this is Steve and I's first hunt

835
00:44:49,160 --> 00:44:53,400
Speaker 11: together that we did for meat eater, and uh, I

836
00:44:53,480 --> 00:44:55,719
Speaker 11: found him this box. We were hiking in in the

837
00:44:55,719 --> 00:44:58,520
Speaker 11: morning in the dark, I remember, and it was real

838
00:44:58,640 --> 00:45:01,880
Speaker 11: hot for November m hm. And we're hiking in and

839
00:45:02,120 --> 00:45:04,960
Speaker 11: after like I don't know, fifteen twenty minutes maybe a

840
00:45:04,960 --> 00:45:07,080
Speaker 11: mile of hike, and Steve, Steve's.

841
00:45:06,680 --> 00:45:09,680
Speaker 5: Like, brody, brody, what are we doing? Where are we going?

842
00:45:09,800 --> 00:45:12,719
Speaker 11: Like he's getting real irritated because I think he was

843
00:45:12,760 --> 00:45:13,920
Speaker 11: swall sweated up.

844
00:45:14,480 --> 00:45:15,160
Speaker 2: That's not why.

845
00:45:18,080 --> 00:45:19,960
Speaker 11: But then we got to the glass and spot and

846
00:45:20,040 --> 00:45:22,720
Speaker 11: he's like, oh, I like this spot. Then we found

847
00:45:22,719 --> 00:45:25,799
Speaker 11: that about a few minutes later, and later that day

848
00:45:25,840 --> 00:45:29,480
Speaker 11: Steve killed him and then uh yeah, then I killed

849
00:45:29,480 --> 00:45:31,400
Speaker 11: that little dinker later later or not.

850
00:45:31,840 --> 00:45:34,359
Speaker 4: But you can see we're wearing some vintage first light though.

851
00:45:34,400 --> 00:45:38,840
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, I look like chaster. That deer's got a

852
00:45:38,880 --> 00:45:44,360
Speaker 2: bad hole in it. Walking away from that situation.

853
00:45:44,520 --> 00:45:48,520
Speaker 5: Nope, nope, So yeah, there we go. Cool.

854
00:45:49,160 --> 00:45:53,000
Speaker 2: God, you were young, Brody, Well, so are you good?

855
00:45:53,120 --> 00:45:56,480
Speaker 5: Lord? How this was this?

856
00:45:56,600 --> 00:45:58,759
Speaker 4: Probably not? I think it's at least nine years ago,

857
00:45:58,880 --> 00:45:59,759
Speaker 4: maybe ten years ago.

858
00:46:00,280 --> 00:46:04,440
Speaker 2: So what happens to a man age is like a

859
00:46:04,520 --> 00:46:08,400
Speaker 2: disease old age. It's like a disease.

860
00:46:09,080 --> 00:46:12,600
Speaker 11: But I feel like I'm I don't know, I'm hiking

861
00:46:12,600 --> 00:46:14,680
Speaker 11: around just as good now as I was back then.

862
00:46:14,880 --> 00:46:16,799
Speaker 2: Yeah, I was reading about last night. I'm reading this

863
00:46:16,880 --> 00:46:20,840
Speaker 2: book that my friend Ben has coming out called The

864
00:46:20,880 --> 00:46:25,160
Speaker 2: Mysterious Mister Knockamoto. It's about the inventor of blockchain and bitcoin.

865
00:46:25,320 --> 00:46:25,520
Speaker 4: Yep.

866
00:46:26,239 --> 00:46:29,759
Speaker 2: Anyways, dudes in that world are big into I had

867
00:46:29,800 --> 00:46:31,720
Speaker 2: no idea what dudes that are big into that world,

868
00:46:31,760 --> 00:46:36,600
Speaker 2: Like they were big into early Internet and and then

869
00:46:37,600 --> 00:46:39,839
Speaker 2: up into the twenty ten, two thousand and nine, big

870
00:46:39,880 --> 00:46:43,840
Speaker 2: into cryptography and stuff. They also happened like that mindset.

871
00:46:43,880 --> 00:46:49,839
Speaker 2: They're also big into cryogenics, where they're like getting there.

872
00:46:50,120 --> 00:46:51,879
Speaker 2: They get a lot of these dudes as they're dying,

873
00:46:51,920 --> 00:46:55,680
Speaker 2: they're getting their brains frozen or their whole body's frozen,

874
00:46:55,880 --> 00:46:59,520
Speaker 2: and they just feel it's like healthcare, right because some

875
00:46:59,560 --> 00:47:03,080
Speaker 2: day they're going to get rebooted. But if you really

876
00:47:03,120 --> 00:47:07,040
Speaker 2: had faith in that ship, if you really had faith,

877
00:47:08,440 --> 00:47:13,680
Speaker 2: you'd go in right now, right not gonna happen, come

878
00:47:13,680 --> 00:47:16,640
Speaker 2: back later when you're kicking ass. Because if you're going in,

879
00:47:17,400 --> 00:47:20,880
Speaker 2: if you're going in an old dead guy and they

880
00:47:20,920 --> 00:47:22,680
Speaker 2: bring you back, you still got a problem.

881
00:47:22,719 --> 00:47:24,319
Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, for sure.

882
00:47:25,239 --> 00:47:29,960
Speaker 2: But if you, if you really believed, go now.

883
00:47:30,680 --> 00:47:31,080
Speaker 4: Yeah.

884
00:47:31,239 --> 00:47:34,040
Speaker 11: I don't know, Like I don't mind being my age,

885
00:47:34,080 --> 00:47:37,200
Speaker 11: Like I feel like hunting and hiking. I'm better than

886
00:47:37,200 --> 00:47:39,719
Speaker 11: I was back then, because you know, you got the

887
00:47:39,760 --> 00:47:40,799
Speaker 11: mentality to just go to.

888
00:47:41,360 --> 00:47:43,279
Speaker 5: I gotta say, ever since I started hunting with you,

889
00:47:43,320 --> 00:47:45,160
Speaker 5: I don't know, it's I don't know, it's like any

890
00:47:45,200 --> 00:47:49,760
Speaker 5: sort of slow down. No, No, you're just charging charging

891
00:47:49,760 --> 00:47:50,080
Speaker 5: a head.

892
00:47:50,520 --> 00:47:54,160
Speaker 2: Yeah. See, for me, what's happening is I've always been

893
00:47:54,160 --> 00:47:56,600
Speaker 2: too skinny, but when you get old, it winds up

894
00:47:56,640 --> 00:47:58,080
Speaker 2: being you're glad you were too skinny.

895
00:47:58,840 --> 00:48:01,399
Speaker 5: Yeah, you know what I'm saying, Like, I don't care

896
00:48:01,400 --> 00:48:02,080
Speaker 5: around extra weight.

897
00:48:02,320 --> 00:48:05,759
Speaker 2: Yeah, you used to be weak. Now you're just not old.

898
00:48:06,920 --> 00:48:09,480
Speaker 2: Do you know what I'm saying? Why is it working out? Yeah?

899
00:48:09,600 --> 00:48:10,600
Speaker 5: Yeah? All right?

900
00:48:10,600 --> 00:48:12,319
Speaker 2: Where are we at? What happens next? Well?

901
00:48:12,320 --> 00:48:16,280
Speaker 3: I was actually told to supply a throwback Thursday picture Steve,

902
00:48:16,320 --> 00:48:18,319
Speaker 3: and you know, I was thinking about all just an

903
00:48:18,400 --> 00:48:20,759
Speaker 3: endless trove of memories that we have together, Steve. And

904
00:48:20,800 --> 00:48:23,319
Speaker 3: the one that I pulled out was this teaky bar

905
00:48:24,600 --> 00:48:27,480
Speaker 3: that's right in Nashville, when I was trying to go

906
00:48:27,520 --> 00:48:29,880
Speaker 3: to this tiki bar by myself because I was ashamed,

907
00:48:29,960 --> 00:48:33,680
Speaker 3: and then you, Katie cal and Rourke Denver all.

908
00:48:33,600 --> 00:48:37,560
Speaker 11: Joined and it looks like you're there with Vince Bond man.

909
00:48:37,640 --> 00:48:39,399
Speaker 11: He's got a Vince Bond thing going.

910
00:48:39,480 --> 00:48:40,799
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, I forgot about that.

911
00:48:40,800 --> 00:48:42,799
Speaker 3: It's kind of a crappy equality picture, but yeah, that

912
00:48:42,960 --> 00:48:46,120
Speaker 3: was That was February twenty twenty, a month before everything

913
00:48:46,120 --> 00:48:46,640
Speaker 3: shut down.

914
00:48:46,640 --> 00:48:50,520
Speaker 2: No, that was before I quit drinking. Yeah anyway, yeah, yeah,

915
00:48:50,560 --> 00:48:59,320
Speaker 2: fun times. You Fielm making out.

916
00:48:57,760 --> 00:48:58,040
Speaker 7: All right.

917
00:48:58,040 --> 00:49:00,120
Speaker 2: Where are we at. Oh, we've got Randy coming in. No,

918
00:49:00,200 --> 00:49:02,120
Speaker 2: I'm excited about this man. This is a good story.

919
00:49:02,560 --> 00:49:05,320
Speaker 2: Next up on the phone, we have Fisheries Division chief

920
00:49:05,520 --> 00:49:11,000
Speaker 2: for Michigan's Department of Natural Resources, Randy. I'm gonna go

921
00:49:11,000 --> 00:49:13,120
Speaker 2: out on a limb. Well, we'll ask him what the

922
00:49:13,120 --> 00:49:16,319
Speaker 2: hell's last name is Clairemont? Hello Randy, thanks for being

923
00:49:16,320 --> 00:49:19,080
Speaker 2: here and welcome to the show. What's going on? I

924
00:49:19,200 --> 00:49:20,480
Speaker 2: hit you with your last name? I want to make

925
00:49:20,520 --> 00:49:21,120
Speaker 2: sure I got it right.

926
00:49:21,320 --> 00:49:24,080
Speaker 10: Yeah you did. You did great? See if it's Clairemont.

927
00:49:24,120 --> 00:49:25,799
Speaker 10: And happy birthday by the way.

928
00:49:25,640 --> 00:49:31,719
Speaker 2: Thank you, buddy. A bunch of questions. Yeah, when telling

929
00:49:31,760 --> 00:49:33,560
Speaker 2: you how to how to do this in good order?

930
00:49:34,960 --> 00:49:38,480
Speaker 2: When did Michigan lose? Like what was the last grayling?

931
00:49:39,840 --> 00:49:43,040
Speaker 10: You know, it's funny you say that because the last

932
00:49:43,040 --> 00:49:48,000
Speaker 10: grayling was actually in the Upper Peninsula in nineteen thirty two.

933
00:49:48,120 --> 00:49:50,279
Speaker 10: Is so there's there's you know, you go back to

934
00:49:50,280 --> 00:49:54,960
Speaker 10: the historic record. There's some debate about that, but the

935
00:49:55,600 --> 00:49:58,279
Speaker 10: distribution in the Upper Peninsula was actually pretty small. It

936
00:49:58,400 --> 00:50:00,920
Speaker 10: was not as big as the northern and lower And

937
00:50:01,520 --> 00:50:03,960
Speaker 10: I understand you're familiar a little bit with the Muskegon

938
00:50:04,040 --> 00:50:08,440
Speaker 10: area of Michigan. Yes, an article from Ben East. This

939
00:50:08,600 --> 00:50:12,080
Speaker 10: article is published in a journal Outdoor Life, in May

940
00:50:12,120 --> 00:50:16,560
Speaker 10: of nineteen thirty. You mean the East, Yeah, the Ben East.

941
00:50:17,040 --> 00:50:19,640
Speaker 10: And he's trying to figure out if they're still grailing

942
00:50:19,800 --> 00:50:25,520
Speaker 10: around Michigan or if they've been extirpated. In particular, he

943
00:50:25,680 --> 00:50:29,120
Speaker 10: talks to an angler that's been fishing for grailing for

944
00:50:29,239 --> 00:50:32,719
Speaker 10: years in the Muskegan area and he.

945
00:50:32,800 --> 00:50:35,480
Speaker 4: Cites some of this article. No way, that's pretty cool.

946
00:50:35,520 --> 00:50:40,520
Speaker 10: The angler was Initials E. Smagoon of Muskegan, Michigan. I'm

947
00:50:40,520 --> 00:50:43,480
Speaker 10: bringing the nineteen thirty article right now. And he said,

948
00:50:43,480 --> 00:50:46,960
Speaker 10: I fish for grailing. I would in the early eighteen eighties.

949
00:50:47,000 --> 00:50:52,040
Speaker 10: I catch one after another in Carlton, San Cleveland and

950
00:50:52,080 --> 00:50:54,319
Speaker 10: Silver Creeks and empty into the White River.

951
00:50:55,000 --> 00:50:56,319
Speaker 2: And you gotta be kidding me.

952
00:50:56,360 --> 00:50:58,759
Speaker 5: Really, that's cool.

953
00:50:58,800 --> 00:51:00,600
Speaker 10: They probably familiar of those streams.

954
00:51:00,680 --> 00:51:01,000
Speaker 2: Yeah.

955
00:51:01,040 --> 00:51:04,000
Speaker 10: In any case, he said he was very concerned about

956
00:51:04,040 --> 00:51:09,879
Speaker 10: the the grayling being extirpated because he only caught one

957
00:51:09,960 --> 00:51:12,680
Speaker 10: the previous year and none that year, and that was

958
00:51:12,800 --> 00:51:13,520
Speaker 10: nineteen thirty.

959
00:51:13,960 --> 00:51:18,040
Speaker 11: Well, what did man, what what did him in?

960
00:51:18,239 --> 00:51:18,600
Speaker 5: Randy?

961
00:51:18,680 --> 00:51:20,239
Speaker 4: Like, why did they disappear?

962
00:51:21,160 --> 00:51:27,120
Speaker 10: Yeah? Yeah, it's you know well understood that in Michigan streams,

963
00:51:27,320 --> 00:51:30,320
Speaker 10: you know, we have sandy soils, relatively low gradient compared

964
00:51:30,360 --> 00:51:34,520
Speaker 10: to mountain streams, you know, but the deforestation, just clearing

965
00:51:34,600 --> 00:51:38,279
Speaker 10: all the vegetation, it allowed those streams to warm up

966
00:51:38,520 --> 00:51:42,719
Speaker 10: and then all the sediment organic sediment, not the not

967
00:51:42,840 --> 00:51:44,720
Speaker 10: the sand and the you know, when you have sandy

968
00:51:44,719 --> 00:51:47,200
Speaker 10: soils with a lot of vegetation, the water will seep

969
00:51:47,200 --> 00:51:50,440
Speaker 10: through the ground quickly and then flow groundwater in the streams.

970
00:51:50,840 --> 00:51:53,360
Speaker 10: So you've got cover that keeps them cold and cold

971
00:51:53,400 --> 00:51:57,280
Speaker 10: water groundwater. When you take all the vegetation off and DeForests,

972
00:51:57,960 --> 00:52:00,200
Speaker 10: what happened in Michigan and a lot of other into

973
00:52:00,200 --> 00:52:04,080
Speaker 10: western states, that water just becomes surface water runs right

974
00:52:04,120 --> 00:52:10,120
Speaker 10: into the streams, and that that pretty much decimated grailing.

975
00:52:10,480 --> 00:52:13,400
Speaker 10: In addition to we didn't have a department natural Resources,

976
00:52:13,400 --> 00:52:17,680
Speaker 10: didn't have any kind of protections. So unregulated fishing and

977
00:52:17,840 --> 00:52:22,600
Speaker 10: graling are super fun fish to catch. They're they're really enjoyable,

978
00:52:23,600 --> 00:52:26,120
Speaker 10: a little bit easier to catch the summer trout species,

979
00:52:26,160 --> 00:52:27,719
Speaker 10: so they were easy to fish for.

980
00:52:28,960 --> 00:52:34,920
Speaker 2: Hey what uh, where were you able to find to

981
00:52:34,960 --> 00:52:38,239
Speaker 2: do a reintroduction? Where are you able to find grailing

982
00:52:39,239 --> 00:52:42,160
Speaker 2: that seems like it's you know, it seems like it'd

983
00:52:42,200 --> 00:52:44,560
Speaker 2: be like the right grailing right or the closest to

984
00:52:44,600 --> 00:52:45,360
Speaker 2: the right grailing.

985
00:52:46,520 --> 00:52:50,160
Speaker 10: Yep. Well, so, you know, we looked at the lower

986
00:52:50,239 --> 00:52:53,960
Speaker 10: forty eight and trying to determine if any populations existed

987
00:52:54,040 --> 00:52:58,920
Speaker 10: that could serve as a source population for Michigan. The

988
00:52:58,960 --> 00:53:02,680
Speaker 10: only population that we are aware of is the Big

989
00:53:02,680 --> 00:53:08,319
Speaker 10: Hole River of Montana, and actually Montana's rebuiltation program. You know,

990
00:53:08,360 --> 00:53:11,280
Speaker 10: we're mirroring a lot of things that Montana has been doing,

991
00:53:12,680 --> 00:53:15,759
Speaker 10: but that population isn't at the level where it could

992
00:53:15,800 --> 00:53:17,520
Speaker 10: serve as a gam meat source. So we end up

993
00:53:17,560 --> 00:53:22,680
Speaker 10: going to the Chino River in Alaska for the gam

994
00:53:22,719 --> 00:53:25,799
Speaker 10: meat source. And really, you know a lot of people say,

995
00:53:25,840 --> 00:53:28,960
Speaker 10: you know, with with warming of streams and things like that,

996
00:53:29,080 --> 00:53:31,960
Speaker 10: is this the right time? But what we find these

997
00:53:32,000 --> 00:53:36,080
Speaker 10: populations is that they're high highly migratory in their native range.

998
00:53:36,120 --> 00:53:38,879
Speaker 10: So they're going to find the cold groundwater and they're

999
00:53:38,920 --> 00:53:41,120
Speaker 10: going to go where they need to go. We expect that,

1000
00:53:41,239 --> 00:53:44,720
Speaker 10: and it's part of the reason we selected the China River.

1001
00:53:44,640 --> 00:53:49,000
Speaker 2: Stock How many, how many and where are you going

1002
00:53:49,080 --> 00:53:50,920
Speaker 2: to try are you going to try to cut them loose.

1003
00:53:52,040 --> 00:53:58,160
Speaker 10: Yeah, So you know, we went through a stream candidate

1004
00:53:58,200 --> 00:54:03,960
Speaker 10: selection process where basically we wanted stakeholders partners in this

1005
00:54:04,080 --> 00:54:10,280
Speaker 10: to nominate rivers that they felt grailing reintroduction should should occur.

1006
00:54:10,840 --> 00:54:13,360
Speaker 10: We then went and looked at the habitat suitability in

1007
00:54:13,400 --> 00:54:15,080
Speaker 10: those rivers. We did a lot of work before we

1008
00:54:15,120 --> 00:54:17,319
Speaker 10: ever went to Alaska to get the eggs. And by

1009
00:54:17,320 --> 00:54:20,000
Speaker 10: the way, shout out to Alaska. You know those staff

1010
00:54:20,040 --> 00:54:22,760
Speaker 10: up there did a phenomenal job and really helped Michigan

1011
00:54:22,800 --> 00:54:26,919
Speaker 10: out a lot. So we went through the habitat suitability,

1012
00:54:27,000 --> 00:54:29,399
Speaker 10: and that habitat suitability, we want to make sure that

1013
00:54:29,760 --> 00:54:31,560
Speaker 10: you know that all the things that led to the

1014
00:54:31,640 --> 00:54:34,239
Speaker 10: demise have been addressed, as well as competition with other

1015
00:54:34,320 --> 00:54:39,560
Speaker 10: introduced trout and salmon species, and we have very strong

1016
00:54:39,600 --> 00:54:44,960
Speaker 10: partnership with you know, nonprofits, angling groups, tribal governments, you

1017
00:54:45,080 --> 00:54:49,520
Speaker 10: name it. And that really accommodation of those factors led

1018
00:54:49,560 --> 00:54:54,880
Speaker 10: to a selection of three streams, the upper and oftentimes

1019
00:54:54,920 --> 00:54:57,239
Speaker 10: the grailing you're talking about the upper part of the watershed.

1020
00:54:57,239 --> 00:55:00,680
Speaker 10: These are the headwaters of the streams had waters of

1021
00:55:00,719 --> 00:55:04,680
Speaker 10: the Little Masstea River, headwaters of the Boordman River near

1022
00:55:04,719 --> 00:55:09,520
Speaker 10: Traverse City. Yeah, the Maple River and in all three

1023
00:55:09,560 --> 00:55:12,520
Speaker 10: and you know these are really northern lower northwestern lower.

1024
00:55:13,360 --> 00:55:17,880
Speaker 2: Man, that is so cool. Man. What do you think? Uh,

1025
00:55:18,760 --> 00:55:23,080
Speaker 2: how confident are you in success and what success look

1026
00:55:23,200 --> 00:55:26,000
Speaker 2: like for you? I mean are you does success look

1027
00:55:26,040 --> 00:55:28,160
Speaker 2: like a breeding population or what is it?

1028
00:55:29,760 --> 00:55:30,000
Speaker 4: Yeah?

1029
00:55:30,080 --> 00:55:35,200
Speaker 10: You know, I think if we saw grayling reproducing successfully

1030
00:55:35,320 --> 00:55:39,439
Speaker 10: within their historic range, you know, that'd be a great

1031
00:55:39,520 --> 00:55:43,960
Speaker 10: technical definition of hey, we've reached success. Right to me,

1032
00:55:44,200 --> 00:55:48,000
Speaker 10: it's more than that, because you know, I would get

1033
00:55:48,080 --> 00:55:51,520
Speaker 10: questions a lot over the years. I've been working in

1034
00:55:51,560 --> 00:55:55,560
Speaker 10: fisheries for over twenty five years, originally from Michigan, is

1035
00:55:55,880 --> 00:55:58,480
Speaker 10: why are we going to bring back grayling? We have

1036
00:55:58,520 --> 00:56:02,600
Speaker 10: a town, you city, Grailing, named after the fish that

1037
00:56:02,640 --> 00:56:06,200
Speaker 10: we no longer have, So you know this means a

1038
00:56:06,239 --> 00:56:09,520
Speaker 10: lot and and and trying to make a commitment. You know,

1039
00:56:09,560 --> 00:56:12,560
Speaker 10: we're not going to be successful in day one, nor

1040
00:56:12,680 --> 00:56:16,160
Speaker 10: have we tried Have we been successful? This has been

1041
00:56:16,239 --> 00:56:20,719
Speaker 10: tried half a dozen times. Really, and really the Montana

1042
00:56:20,800 --> 00:56:24,400
Speaker 10: model where you're putting the eggs right into the streams

1043
00:56:25,600 --> 00:56:29,040
Speaker 10: and again addressing some of the other things about partnership

1044
00:56:29,239 --> 00:56:34,840
Speaker 10: and habitat suitability. Those are all important factors to why

1045
00:56:34,920 --> 00:56:37,640
Speaker 10: we think we can be successful now in the rebuiltation.

1046
00:56:38,320 --> 00:56:40,799
Speaker 10: But like anything else, what it really boils down to

1047
00:56:40,920 --> 00:56:43,520
Speaker 10: is are we committed to doing this? Do we are?

1048
00:56:43,520 --> 00:56:46,520
Speaker 10: We committed to bringing grailing back to Michigan?

1049
00:56:46,640 --> 00:56:46,960
Speaker 7: We are?

1050
00:56:48,120 --> 00:56:52,920
Speaker 2: So what happens? What's going to happen when down the road,

1051
00:56:54,440 --> 00:56:58,440
Speaker 2: a dude's out fishing brookies or whatever steelhead and he

1052
00:56:58,520 --> 00:57:04,080
Speaker 2: hooks the grailing. Presumably you're not going to close down

1053
00:57:04,280 --> 00:57:08,400
Speaker 2: stream sections. You're not gonna you're not gonna like remove

1054
00:57:08,440 --> 00:57:10,440
Speaker 2: fishing from these stream sections. So it'll have to be

1055
00:57:10,560 --> 00:57:13,120
Speaker 2: that people know they're there when they get one, to

1056
00:57:13,160 --> 00:57:16,320
Speaker 2: be careful turn it back because because it's not it's

1057
00:57:16,320 --> 00:57:18,640
Speaker 2: going to be a while. So there's like a harvestable number.

1058
00:57:18,680 --> 00:57:22,200
Speaker 2: I mean, that's like a really best case scenario, right, Yeah.

1059
00:57:22,240 --> 00:57:27,520
Speaker 10: Absolutely. We already removed the regulations prohibiting targeted fishing, so

1060
00:57:28,240 --> 00:57:30,400
Speaker 10: if you catch a grailing, you can take a picture

1061
00:57:30,400 --> 00:57:35,640
Speaker 10: of it immediate release. We've had a you know a

1062
00:57:35,640 --> 00:57:38,240
Speaker 10: lot of interest, and so I expect anglers, you know,

1063
00:57:38,240 --> 00:57:40,960
Speaker 10: they're really going to seek out these opportunities. We're still

1064
00:57:40,960 --> 00:57:44,240
Speaker 10: a couple of years down the road. But myself included.

1065
00:57:44,280 --> 00:57:48,400
Speaker 10: I've I've caught grayling in Alaska. I really really am

1066
00:57:48,480 --> 00:57:52,000
Speaker 10: hoping that during my tenure I can catch a wild

1067
00:57:52,000 --> 00:57:56,200
Speaker 10: graling in Michigan and staff that picture and release that fish.

1068
00:57:56,200 --> 00:57:59,400
Speaker 10: And right now regulations allow for that, so we're just

1069
00:57:59,480 --> 00:58:01,880
Speaker 10: hoping hoping that the fish will cooperate.

1070
00:58:02,520 --> 00:58:05,680
Speaker 2: Man, that's amazing. I would make that trip back there

1071
00:58:05,880 --> 00:58:08,439
Speaker 2: to see that happen to do that. You Know, there's

1072
00:58:08,440 --> 00:58:12,120
Speaker 2: a thing I've really appreciated about. I haven't lived in

1073
00:58:12,160 --> 00:58:14,760
Speaker 2: Michigan for forever. I left in the late nineties mid nineties.

1074
00:58:14,800 --> 00:58:18,680
Speaker 2: But the thing I've appreciated about just the Great Lakes

1075
00:58:18,720 --> 00:58:23,280
Speaker 2: angling community in general and fisheries management there in general,

1076
00:58:23,960 --> 00:58:28,439
Speaker 2: is going back and really the work people are doing

1077
00:58:28,480 --> 00:58:32,120
Speaker 2: to really put an emphasis on those native fish, you know,

1078
00:58:33,440 --> 00:58:37,840
Speaker 2: like the way I've seen anglers come to have a

1079
00:58:37,920 --> 00:58:43,560
Speaker 2: much greater appreciation for lake trout, for instance, the enthusiasm around,

1080
00:58:43,640 --> 00:58:48,360
Speaker 2: the enthusiasm around getting sturgeon back in the rivers, people

1081
00:58:48,440 --> 00:58:51,360
Speaker 2: treating whitefish with a lot of respect, work to bring

1082
00:58:51,480 --> 00:58:54,040
Speaker 2: Arctic grailing back, Like, I love seeing that stuff, man,

1083
00:58:54,040 --> 00:58:57,600
Speaker 2: where people are kind of having that ecological awareness of

1084
00:58:57,640 --> 00:59:01,280
Speaker 2: where they live, of kind of getting curious about what

1085
00:59:01,360 --> 00:59:05,120
Speaker 2: this place used to look like, what went wrong? Why

1086
00:59:05,120 --> 00:59:07,200
Speaker 2: does it look like it does now? What are the

1087
00:59:07,240 --> 00:59:11,360
Speaker 2: implications of invasive you know, aquatic invasive species, and how

1088
00:59:11,400 --> 00:59:13,600
Speaker 2: do we start turning back the clock and bringing back

1089
00:59:13,640 --> 00:59:17,400
Speaker 2: somebod these really cool, unique fish to that area. I

1090
00:59:17,400 --> 00:59:20,080
Speaker 2: know you guys do work in that space, and people

1091
00:59:20,120 --> 00:59:22,800
Speaker 2: in the conservation movement do work in that space. I

1092
00:59:22,800 --> 00:59:24,720
Speaker 2: think it's phenomenal, man. I'd love to see it.

1093
00:59:25,600 --> 00:59:27,600
Speaker 10: Yeah, I appreciate it. And just just because you say

1094
00:59:27,640 --> 00:59:29,720
Speaker 10: you have, you know, really seen it since the nineties,

1095
00:59:29,760 --> 00:59:32,680
Speaker 10: I'll tell you we just recently. Now it's kind of

1096
00:59:32,760 --> 00:59:36,960
Speaker 10: lake superior. Lake trout populations fully restored. But if you

1097
00:59:37,000 --> 00:59:39,800
Speaker 10: did eat lake trout, you know, back in the eighties

1098
00:59:39,840 --> 00:59:44,440
Speaker 10: and nineties, a lot of people didn't think that they

1099
00:59:44,440 --> 00:59:46,479
Speaker 10: had a lot of table fare. Put it that way.

1100
00:59:46,880 --> 00:59:49,480
Speaker 10: The lake drout today are some of the best tasting

1101
00:59:49,520 --> 00:59:51,440
Speaker 10: Great Lakes fish out there. And there's a lot of

1102
00:59:51,480 --> 00:59:54,160
Speaker 10: reason for it, much as to do with the health

1103
00:59:54,200 --> 00:59:57,480
Speaker 10: of the Great Lakes, the diverse die items. But I

1104
00:59:57,560 --> 00:59:59,240
Speaker 10: tell you, if you can get an episode where you

1105
00:59:59,560 --> 01:00:01,840
Speaker 10: have some flay a lake trout caught out of the

1106
01:00:01,880 --> 01:00:06,920
Speaker 10: Great lakes. Now that that meat is just bright orange

1107
01:00:07,000 --> 01:00:13,320
Speaker 10: and fabulous, absolutely incredible. So yeah, attachment to the native

1108
01:00:13,320 --> 01:00:16,880
Speaker 10: species increase angling opportunity. But the end goal is that

1109
01:00:16,920 --> 01:00:19,680
Speaker 10: people can use at it and we hear more and

1110
01:00:19,720 --> 01:00:23,680
Speaker 10: more about you know, fish as food by recreational anglers,

1111
01:00:24,440 --> 01:00:25,360
Speaker 10: you know, across the state.

1112
01:00:25,600 --> 01:00:27,400
Speaker 2: Sure man, Yeah, keep up with the good work. I

1113
01:00:27,440 --> 01:00:30,200
Speaker 2: love seeing it and I love hearing stories about those

1114
01:00:30,280 --> 01:00:33,680
Speaker 2: native fish come back. Like, it's a really unique environment,

1115
01:00:33,920 --> 01:00:37,760
Speaker 2: all that whole Great Lakes system. And you know, if

1116
01:00:37,800 --> 01:00:41,040
Speaker 2: we if we let our guard down, we're gonna wind up.

1117
01:00:41,080 --> 01:00:42,920
Speaker 2: We're more and more and more. No matter where you

1118
01:00:42,960 --> 01:00:44,520
Speaker 2: go in the world, where you are, you go in

1119
01:00:44,520 --> 01:00:47,120
Speaker 2: the country, you're gonna see these kind of same things.

1120
01:00:47,560 --> 01:00:50,160
Speaker 2: And to have that all that biodiversity and like these

1121
01:00:50,240 --> 01:00:52,520
Speaker 2: unique fish from these unique places just makes it so

1122
01:00:52,600 --> 01:00:54,360
Speaker 2: much more exciting to travel around. So I mean, I

1123
01:00:54,360 --> 01:00:56,080
Speaker 2: wish you guys the best of luck on that project.

1124
01:00:56,080 --> 01:00:58,960
Speaker 2: I think it's super cool, excellent.

1125
01:00:59,080 --> 01:01:03,280
Speaker 10: Yeah, thanks again for the opportunity, and I really appreciate

1126
01:01:03,320 --> 01:01:06,840
Speaker 10: the attension of grailing and hopefully we can achieve what

1127
01:01:06,880 --> 01:01:07,840
Speaker 10: we're set out to do.

1128
01:01:07,960 --> 01:01:09,720
Speaker 2: So send me a couple of las.

1129
01:01:10,520 --> 01:01:14,600
Speaker 10: Yeah, this spring is our first big introd.

1130
01:01:15,680 --> 01:01:18,560
Speaker 5: Oh excellent, alright, good luck dude, appreciate it.

1131
01:01:18,600 --> 01:01:22,440
Speaker 2: Thank you, all right, Phil, about to the end of

1132
01:01:22,440 --> 01:01:25,160
Speaker 2: the show. But what about that? What about that listener feedback?

1133
01:01:25,200 --> 01:01:28,160
Speaker 5: Buddy, No, let's hit it. Kyle.

1134
01:01:28,800 --> 01:01:30,400
Speaker 3: Here's kind of a heavy one. What does the crew

1135
01:01:30,400 --> 01:01:32,760
Speaker 3: think about Indiana introducing a bill to legalize the sale

1136
01:01:32,760 --> 01:01:35,280
Speaker 3: of venison and another one to legalize the release of

1137
01:01:35,320 --> 01:01:38,280
Speaker 3: c w D resistant farm deer into the wild.

1138
01:01:38,760 --> 01:01:40,240
Speaker 2: I don't like either of them.

1139
01:01:40,520 --> 01:01:42,800
Speaker 11: I didn't know about the Indiana thing, but not a

1140
01:01:42,840 --> 01:01:46,240
Speaker 11: good idea. Neither is like we already we've talked about

1141
01:01:46,240 --> 01:01:47,040
Speaker 11: the releasing.

1142
01:01:48,120 --> 01:01:52,320
Speaker 2: It's it's pissing in the wind. Yeah, I don't think

1143
01:01:52,400 --> 01:01:55,320
Speaker 2: like I think it sounds like a great idea, But

1144
01:01:55,360 --> 01:02:01,680
Speaker 2: when you look in like actual like genetic transfer, genetic

1145
01:02:01,760 --> 01:02:04,720
Speaker 2: transfer that you're somehow going to like overcome like the

1146
01:02:05,640 --> 01:02:10,560
Speaker 2: native genome and overwhelm it and actually like create a

1147
01:02:10,600 --> 01:02:14,240
Speaker 2: strain of it, and I think it's pissing in the wind.

1148
01:02:14,440 --> 01:02:17,640
Speaker 2: And I definitely don't like the idea this. People keep

1149
01:02:17,640 --> 01:02:20,120
Speaker 2: wanting to go down this path of commodifying deer meat

1150
01:02:20,120 --> 01:02:22,840
Speaker 2: and selling deer meat. Listen, if you think right now,

1151
01:02:24,320 --> 01:02:26,600
Speaker 2: if you think right now, it's getting harder and harder

1152
01:02:26,600 --> 01:02:30,600
Speaker 2: and harder to find hunting spots because of because of

1153
01:02:30,880 --> 01:02:34,480
Speaker 2: the takeoff of like leasing for deer, like farms where

1154
01:02:34,480 --> 01:02:36,720
Speaker 2: there used to be like ten twelve people hunting the farm,

1155
01:02:36,800 --> 01:02:38,640
Speaker 2: now two guys hunt the farm because they lease it.

1156
01:02:39,160 --> 01:02:42,560
Speaker 2: You think that you're seeing a reduction and acreage available

1157
01:02:42,600 --> 01:02:45,600
Speaker 2: to you to come hunt. Wait till a person looks

1158
01:02:45,600 --> 01:02:48,080
Speaker 2: and each of these deer is worth two three hundred bucks, right,

1159
01:02:48,920 --> 01:02:49,280
Speaker 2: come on.

1160
01:02:50,200 --> 01:02:54,240
Speaker 11: I don't like it that, Like, I mean, he's parents

1161
01:02:54,240 --> 01:02:57,520
Speaker 11: selling deer meat with CWD, and it's like, how are

1162
01:02:57,520 --> 01:03:00,680
Speaker 11: you ever gonna sell deer meat when you know what

1163
01:03:00,680 --> 01:03:01,000
Speaker 11: I mean?

1164
01:03:01,080 --> 01:03:03,120
Speaker 2: Yeah, I know you'll be like you're gonna kill all

1165
01:03:03,160 --> 01:03:06,200
Speaker 2: these deer to sell. Someone's gonna check them for c W.

1166
01:03:06,760 --> 01:03:11,240
Speaker 2: It's just it's it's it's like people looking at complicated

1167
01:03:11,240 --> 01:03:13,680
Speaker 2: problems and thinking they got these little solutions for him.

1168
01:03:13,720 --> 01:03:16,440
Speaker 2: I think it's I think it's stupid. I mean, I

1169
01:03:16,440 --> 01:03:18,240
Speaker 2: don't even be so blunt. No, I don't want to

1170
01:03:18,240 --> 01:03:18,800
Speaker 2: say it stupid.

1171
01:03:18,840 --> 01:03:19,320
Speaker 5: I don't don't.

1172
01:03:19,640 --> 01:03:21,240
Speaker 2: Yeah, I definite don't want to say it stupid because

1173
01:03:21,240 --> 01:03:25,240
Speaker 2: that sounds like not being productive. Ain't a good idea.

1174
01:03:25,240 --> 01:03:27,120
Speaker 2: How's that ain't good idea?

1175
01:03:28,000 --> 01:03:28,120
Speaker 9: Uh?

1176
01:03:28,280 --> 01:03:31,160
Speaker 3: Do you guys have favorite favorite mounts or skins you

1177
01:03:31,240 --> 01:03:33,200
Speaker 3: have in your houses, respectively?

1178
01:03:34,520 --> 01:03:37,480
Speaker 11: I haven't got my favorite still sitting at the taxidermist

1179
01:03:37,600 --> 01:03:39,120
Speaker 11: or that whoever's beetling it right?

1180
01:03:39,200 --> 01:03:40,080
Speaker 2: What are you missing? That?

1181
01:03:40,120 --> 01:03:40,280
Speaker 7: Move?

1182
01:03:40,400 --> 01:03:43,400
Speaker 2: Oh your moose? Yeah, yeah, that'll be good.

1183
01:03:44,240 --> 01:03:46,000
Speaker 5: I got a couple of hides. I like a bunch,

1184
01:03:47,520 --> 01:03:50,880
Speaker 5: one being a red fox that uh Steve and I

1185
01:03:50,920 --> 01:03:55,320
Speaker 5: trapped last year. And I also have another red fox

1186
01:03:55,400 --> 01:03:59,720
Speaker 5: from from Pennsylvania that's beautiful. And uh, skull mounts. I

1187
01:03:59,760 --> 01:04:02,640
Speaker 5: like the COO's dear. I just like how tiny their

1188
01:04:02,640 --> 01:04:06,920
Speaker 5: little skulls. Yeah, easy to move. They just look cool.

1189
01:04:08,240 --> 01:04:09,840
Speaker 2: So all right, Well.

1190
01:04:09,960 --> 01:04:11,280
Speaker 3: It's a tough one. But if you don't know it,

1191
01:04:11,320 --> 01:04:13,680
Speaker 3: maybe you could direct this person to someone who does.

1192
01:04:13,720 --> 01:04:16,440
Speaker 3: Is there a way to rehabilitate house fire, smoke damage,

1193
01:04:16,520 --> 01:04:17,320
Speaker 3: tanned furs?

1194
01:04:21,520 --> 01:04:24,840
Speaker 2: I would call you know what I would do. Call

1195
01:04:25,800 --> 01:04:29,160
Speaker 2: He's gonna hate me for saying this, Call John Hayes

1196
01:04:29,240 --> 01:04:34,760
Speaker 2: Taxi because I I've had questions like this for John, Like,

1197
01:04:34,800 --> 01:04:36,560
Speaker 2: I'll give you a piece of feedback. John, give me

1198
01:04:36,600 --> 01:04:38,720
Speaker 2: one time I had a very old I have a

1199
01:04:38,760 --> 01:04:41,200
Speaker 2: really old bear hide, like a really really old bear

1200
01:04:41,280 --> 01:04:46,080
Speaker 2: hide that never took good care of. And uh, I

1201
01:04:46,120 --> 01:04:48,240
Speaker 2: was like wanting to know it's I kind of kept

1202
01:04:48,240 --> 01:04:51,680
Speaker 2: it outside over the outdoor furniture under our patio, protected

1203
01:04:51,680 --> 01:04:55,320
Speaker 2: but outside, and it just got greasy and nasty. And

1204
01:04:55,360 --> 01:04:58,040
Speaker 2: I was like, man, I like like shampoo this thing,

1205
01:04:59,040 --> 01:05:01,800
Speaker 2: you know. And he said, take a little wet a

1206
01:05:01,840 --> 01:05:04,800
Speaker 2: little patch down, Just take a corner and wet it down.

1207
01:05:05,160 --> 01:05:07,160
Speaker 2: And he says, if you wet that down, try to

1208
01:05:07,200 --> 01:05:10,000
Speaker 2: tear it with your hand. When you get it wet.

1209
01:05:10,120 --> 01:05:11,840
Speaker 2: If you can tear that thing with your hand, don't

1210
01:05:11,840 --> 01:05:15,000
Speaker 2: do it. I got that corner wet and sure enough, man,

1211
01:05:15,120 --> 01:05:19,720
Speaker 2: you could just rip it like like wet paper. So

1212
01:05:19,760 --> 01:05:21,640
Speaker 2: he's got little tips like that. Another thing I had.

1213
01:05:22,800 --> 01:05:25,360
Speaker 2: Another thing John Hayes did for me is I had

1214
01:05:25,400 --> 01:05:28,640
Speaker 2: a bad kind of a really long story. I got

1215
01:05:28,680 --> 01:05:30,720
Speaker 2: a mountain goat and I wanted it. I got it

1216
01:05:30,760 --> 01:05:33,960
Speaker 2: rugged out. Oh it's hanging right there. When I got

1217
01:05:33,960 --> 01:05:38,640
Speaker 2: that rug back, the hair was all slipping. Not my fault,

1218
01:05:38,840 --> 01:05:41,880
Speaker 2: the hair was all slipping. So it's a long story

1219
01:05:42,000 --> 01:05:44,800
Speaker 2: that the people involved are not even live anymore. The

1220
01:05:44,840 --> 01:05:47,240
Speaker 2: person ball was not even live anymore. The hair was slipping.

1221
01:05:47,320 --> 01:05:50,640
Speaker 2: John Hayes took that rug apart and put an adhesive.

1222
01:05:50,920 --> 01:05:54,200
Speaker 2: Oh really yeah, he spread an adhesive on the backside.

1223
01:05:54,200 --> 01:05:55,880
Speaker 2: You couldn't get that hair out if he wanted to.

1224
01:05:56,360 --> 01:05:56,720
Speaker 5: Wow.

1225
01:05:57,520 --> 01:06:00,280
Speaker 2: So John Hayes Hayes tax in every studio to tell

1226
01:06:00,280 --> 01:06:02,240
Speaker 2: you what to do. He's got all kinds of little

1227
01:06:02,240 --> 01:06:04,000
Speaker 2: tricks because when you've been in the business that line,

1228
01:06:04,000 --> 01:06:06,320
Speaker 2: people bring you more screwed up stuff, you know. I mean,

1229
01:06:06,360 --> 01:06:08,560
Speaker 2: all you do is deal with people's mistakes.

1230
01:06:07,960 --> 01:06:13,040
Speaker 3: Oh, this, this is This will be an easy one

1231
01:06:13,040 --> 01:06:15,000
Speaker 3: to answer because we've had someone on the podcast. But

1232
01:06:15,160 --> 01:06:17,320
Speaker 3: just so you can remind this person, Phil is asking

1233
01:06:17,760 --> 01:06:20,880
Speaker 3: for an episode on hearing loss. I think we've done

1234
01:06:20,920 --> 01:06:22,840
Speaker 3: a few with Grace from Otopro.

1235
01:06:23,040 --> 01:06:25,200
Speaker 2: Yep, yeah, just go back and findalals. I wish we

1236
01:06:25,200 --> 01:06:29,960
Speaker 2: could think of the number, but we've done two. We've

1237
01:06:30,040 --> 01:06:35,320
Speaker 2: done two with an audiologists about why that's happening to you?

1238
01:06:35,480 --> 01:06:37,520
Speaker 2: Why when you're laying in bed at night you're listening

1239
01:06:37,520 --> 01:06:42,120
Speaker 2: to We keeps Your waken.

1240
01:06:42,360 --> 01:06:44,400
Speaker 5: Yeah.

1241
01:06:44,960 --> 01:06:47,320
Speaker 3: Uh, Brody, I'm gonna direct this one at you because

1242
01:06:47,360 --> 01:06:49,280
Speaker 3: maybe you've seen this show, but a lot of people

1243
01:06:49,360 --> 01:06:51,880
Speaker 3: have been asking if we've watched American primeval on that

1244
01:06:52,080 --> 01:06:55,480
Speaker 3: you know, I did watch, and.

1245
01:06:55,640 --> 01:06:59,080
Speaker 11: There's like some cool historical accuracies in it, but it's

1246
01:06:59,120 --> 01:07:02,520
Speaker 11: also you know Hollywood, like I don't want to give

1247
01:07:02,520 --> 01:07:05,840
Speaker 11: it away to you know, people that haven't seen it,

1248
01:07:05,840 --> 01:07:08,440
Speaker 11: but there's a really stupid scene with wolves attack and

1249
01:07:08,600 --> 01:07:11,440
Speaker 11: like busting through a cabin and trying to attack people,

1250
01:07:11,480 --> 01:07:14,440
Speaker 11: like shit, that would never happen. Yeah, but like the

1251
01:07:14,560 --> 01:07:17,560
Speaker 11: Jim Bridger stuff where he was running the fort, that's

1252
01:07:17,640 --> 01:07:21,479
Speaker 11: all and is running with h Brigham Young like.

1253
01:07:21,400 --> 01:07:25,280
Speaker 4: That's that stuff all happened. It was a cool show.

1254
01:07:25,360 --> 01:07:27,200
Speaker 5: I thought it was good. Cool.

1255
01:07:28,080 --> 01:07:30,200
Speaker 3: I think you gave an update on this, Steve for

1256
01:07:30,240 --> 01:07:31,840
Speaker 3: an episode that maybe hasn't aired yet or it was

1257
01:07:31,880 --> 01:07:34,760
Speaker 3: Trivia or something, but someone's Dakota's asking for a punt

1258
01:07:34,760 --> 01:07:37,400
Speaker 3: gun update because I know you've made some We made

1259
01:07:37,440 --> 01:07:39,080
Speaker 3: some strides in that department.

1260
01:07:38,640 --> 01:07:43,160
Speaker 2: From Dakota punts. We're getting very close to shooting it.

1261
01:07:44,480 --> 01:07:47,080
Speaker 2: We just last week. We're out, but we're working on

1262
01:07:47,200 --> 01:07:49,880
Speaker 2: a kind of a way to you can't mount it, Ridgid,

1263
01:07:49,880 --> 01:07:51,760
Speaker 2: you got it's got to move, so we're working on

1264
01:07:51,800 --> 01:07:54,120
Speaker 2: a mount But yeah, we would have shot it, but

1265
01:07:54,160 --> 01:07:56,360
Speaker 2: We're just having a real streak of bad weather right now.

1266
01:07:56,760 --> 01:07:59,600
Speaker 2: It's just not fun time to be out blowing your

1267
01:07:59,600 --> 01:08:01,320
Speaker 2: hand off trying to shoot your punk gun.

1268
01:08:01,560 --> 01:08:04,400
Speaker 5: Twenty nine below this morning. Yeah, it will warm up.

1269
01:08:04,640 --> 01:08:06,320
Speaker 3: Well, we will do one more. And this is kind

1270
01:08:06,320 --> 01:08:08,680
Speaker 3: of like a very this is a very broad generic question.

1271
01:08:08,760 --> 01:08:10,520
Speaker 3: But hey, it's your birthday, Steve, so I'm gonna put

1272
01:08:10,560 --> 01:08:13,040
Speaker 3: you on the spot in your fifty one years is

1273
01:08:13,040 --> 01:08:15,720
Speaker 3: from Tyler? What is Do you have a favorite hunting memory?

1274
01:08:18,000 --> 01:08:18,400
Speaker 2: No?

1275
01:08:18,400 --> 01:08:27,080
Speaker 3: No, all right, thanks Tyler, do it for Today's.

1276
01:08:24,360 --> 01:08:27,120
Speaker 2: Just the whole package of it. I like a lot.

1277
01:08:26,840 --> 01:08:28,720
Speaker 2: I can't. I have to think about that for a

1278
01:08:28,760 --> 01:08:31,519
Speaker 2: long time. Yeah, it's a tough question. One you talk

1279
01:08:31,600 --> 01:08:34,120
Speaker 2: about a lot with a lot of enthusiasm. Is the

1280
01:08:35,200 --> 01:08:37,639
Speaker 2: youth your season hunt? Oh well yeah, that's what I'm saying,

1281
01:08:37,640 --> 01:08:42,120
Speaker 2: Like I would say that, but that's pretty recent. Yeah, yeah,

1282
01:08:42,200 --> 01:08:46,400
Speaker 2: I like going, I like hunting. I like hunting. Taking

1283
01:08:46,400 --> 01:08:50,080
Speaker 2: the kid's youth to your hunting, but then taking any

1284
01:08:50,160 --> 01:08:53,439
Speaker 2: kinds you know, younger people can't picture because I wouldn't

1285
01:08:53,479 --> 01:08:56,800
Speaker 2: have pictured when I was younger. You just can't, like,

1286
01:08:56,840 --> 01:08:58,040
Speaker 2: I might as well not even say it because you

1287
01:08:58,120 --> 01:09:00,559
Speaker 2: just can't picture it when you get older, if you

1288
01:09:00,680 --> 01:09:06,120
Speaker 2: have kids, and you should, It's just I can't explain

1289
01:09:06,160 --> 01:09:07,680
Speaker 2: it. It just wants to being so much more fun to

1290
01:09:07,680 --> 01:09:08,240
Speaker 2: do stuff with them.

1291
01:09:08,400 --> 01:09:10,960
Speaker 11: Like when I think about me getting my first buck

1292
01:09:11,479 --> 01:09:13,600
Speaker 11: versus my kid getting it's.

1293
01:09:13,360 --> 01:09:16,040
Speaker 4: Like, yeah, no comparison.

1294
01:09:16,160 --> 01:09:18,240
Speaker 2: Yeah, I would rather hunt one day with my kids

1295
01:09:18,240 --> 01:09:20,760
Speaker 2: than like three days without them. It's just more fun. Man.

1296
01:09:20,960 --> 01:09:22,960
Speaker 2: You know, I just like it. But I wouldn't expect

1297
01:09:23,000 --> 01:09:25,639
Speaker 2: anybody to understand that. But like I said, I recommend

1298
01:09:25,680 --> 01:09:27,840
Speaker 2: having kids. If you can, have kids, gives you a

1299
01:09:27,840 --> 01:09:31,120
Speaker 2: good sense of I don't man, gives you good sense

1300
01:09:31,160 --> 01:09:31,879
Speaker 2: of purpose.

1301
01:09:33,040 --> 01:09:33,320
Speaker 5: Cool.

1302
01:09:34,200 --> 01:09:35,600
Speaker 3: Well, I've got one more thing to read before the

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Speaker 3: end of the show about a a call to action

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Speaker 3: for our listeners.

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Speaker 2: Oh scroll now, I gotta get the hang of this

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Speaker 2: hosting folks before we go. We're in need of some

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Speaker 2: fresh hot tip offs. Man. I could make a hot

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Speaker 2: tip off every damn day.

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Speaker 3: Well, we could use but this is and that's one

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Speaker 3: of the reasons why we're reaching out to the people.

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Speaker 2: I got one for you right now. Okay, let's hear it.

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Speaker 2: When you cook deer meat and you got left over

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Speaker 2: deer meat the next day, Slice it real thin, Get

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Speaker 2: a bunch of butter in a pan, put a shitload

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Speaker 2: of Frank's Red Hot in that butter, and then stir

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Speaker 2: it at meat in there and eat.

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Speaker 5: That Buffalo strips.

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Speaker 2: Buffalo leftovers is what they call that word. Needed some

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Speaker 2: fresh hot tip off. Send us a video of what

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Speaker 2: of this is poorly written? Who wrote this? I'm not

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Speaker 2: gonna throw them under. Send a video of what you no, no, no,

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Speaker 2: it is well written. Send a video of what you

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Speaker 2: believe to be your outdoor tips to our radio live

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Speaker 2: email address with hot tip off in the subject line.

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Speaker 2: So here's all you do. Make a hot tip off.

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Speaker 2: A hot tip off is where you go Welcome to

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Speaker 2: hot tip off, and then you explain a hot tip

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Speaker 2: for outdoorsman. Quickly explain thirty to sixty second, six seconds

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Speaker 2: right hot tip off in the subject line, and send

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Speaker 2: that son of a gun over to radio at themeeater

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Speaker 2: dot com thirty to sixty seconds. Film it vertically.

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Speaker 4: Okay, family friendly.

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Speaker 2: Family friendly. If we use if we use your video,

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Speaker 2: we're gonna show it will be a showdown. These are

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Speaker 2: one to one showdowns, So we'll you send your hot

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Speaker 2: tip off in We're gonna match it with another hot

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Speaker 2: tip off and see who wins. If you win the

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Speaker 2: hot tip off the best hot tip off of the week,

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Speaker 2: then you win cool prizes from We'll send you cool

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Speaker 2: prizes from me Eater brands. We'll send you cool prizes

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Speaker 2: for one of our amazing partner brands. Whatever. You'll be

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Speaker 2: rewarded when you make a thirty to sixty second hot

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Speaker 2: tip and send it subject line hot tip Off to

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Speaker 2: radio at themeeater dot com. Leave your pants on. While

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Speaker 2: making the video that wraps this week's program, I should

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Speaker 2: tell you my story about Greg Fawns.

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Speaker 4: Does that both pans? Yeah?

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Speaker 2: That was real quick. Before I really knew Greg fons

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Speaker 2: you guys got his spear fishing shop. I'd like, I

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Speaker 2: was text him about like a question I had about

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Speaker 2: how to rig something, and he's sitting there in like

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Speaker 2: an apron, you know, like a shop apron, and he's like,

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Speaker 2: I don't even know the guy and he's explaining. Eventually

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Speaker 2: he like turns towards the other work manch just this

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Speaker 2: bear ass dude. I was like, what a freak man.

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Speaker 2: Later I just realized it, said to you, everybody, all right,

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Speaker 2: stay classy. Meted to Radio Live see you next week.