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Speaker 2: What do we have Crystal, You have lots to get

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Speaker 2: into you today. So Zelenski is in town along with

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Speaker 2: a whole bunch of European leaders, so we will see.

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Speaker 3: What will come out of that.

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Speaker 2: Also, Hillary Clinton agreeing with Trump on a number of

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Speaker 2: foreign policy issues.

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Speaker 3: So I just sell time looking forward to who Sager is.

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Speaker 1: The reactions to get the hell out of this timeline

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Speaker 1: is sooner in particular.

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Speaker 2: Yes, actually that's what we're just discussing before we went live.

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Speaker 2: In addition, we have lots more to get to this.

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Speaker 2: I can't even believe this is reel. A top Israeli

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Speaker 2: aid to Night Yahoo was arrested in Las Vegas in

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Speaker 2: a pedophilia sting. Nevertheless, he was released a land fly

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Speaker 2: back to Israel. So what the hell is going on

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Speaker 2: with that? We've got some economic news, in particular, greenflation

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Speaker 2: take a look at that. We also have the State Department,

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Speaker 2: Gaza to seek medical treatment in the US, disgusting move

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Speaker 2: in my opinion. We will break down how all of

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Speaker 2: this happened and what exactly it means. We've got Pete

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Speaker 2: Boodagiet cleaning up his Israel comments from Podsave America, which

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Speaker 2: is a pretty interesting sign of where things are within

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Speaker 2: today we will be joined by Seth Harp, who just

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Speaker 2: wrote a book exposing the murders and drug trafficking coming

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Speaker 2: out of Fort Bragg. It is an extraordinary read and

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Speaker 3: This very interesting.

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Speaker 2: At its core, it's really a book about the blowback

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Speaker 1: Yes, that's right, about the toll on the people who

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Speaker 1: ahead and start with Ukraine. We had Professor John Meerscheimer

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Speaker 1: We have some more details now that are coming out.

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Speaker 1: We know, of course, that President Zelenski is already here

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Speaker 1: in Washington. Almost every major leader of NATO from the

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Speaker 1: a grand meeting between Zelenski, Trump and all of them

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Speaker 4: The thesis of a ceasefire is that you'd be discussing

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Speaker 4: be discussing security guarantees. There's not a person on the

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Speaker 4: at this meeting. The fundamental issue, which is some sort

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Speaker 5: Very very soon.

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Speaker 1: An attack on one and it's an attack on all.

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Speaker 3: Russia would allow that to happen.

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Speaker 4: No, Jake, that's not what I said. What I said

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Speaker 4: which is one of the real reasons why Ukraine wants

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Speaker 1: That is an absolutely extraordinary claim which we really all

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Speaker 1: include Ukrainian withdrawal from areas of the front line, including

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Speaker 1: mind Ukrainians or the Ukrainian government is like, oh well,

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Speaker 1: we can't give that up. These cities are rubble, no

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Speaker 1: that they're just handing over, right. These have been completely

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Speaker 1: But we should keep in mind, even if that is true,

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Speaker 1: from the Financial Times and others, which I will return to,

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Speaker 1: is not only a ceasefire, in immediate ceasefire. Why does

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Speaker 1: He's not ready to agree to a peace deal because

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Speaker 1: I have to bring it to a national referendum, which,

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Speaker 1: of course he can control the process through which that

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Speaker 1: need to agree to an immediate ceasefire or we're going

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Speaker 1: to put all of these secondary sanctions on you. I

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Speaker 1: believe this is echoing Meerscheimer, that Trump it all finally

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Speaker 1: clicked for him to say, no matter what sanctions I do,

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Speaker 1: really not changed all that much since Istanbul back in

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Speaker 1: And so you basically have these two almost immovable objects

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Speaker 1: now considering the Ukrainian in the European Union position, the

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Speaker 1: have subjugated all of our policy to the EU and

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Speaker 1: to the Ukrainians. And then the Russians, of course, have

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Speaker 1: bad all the way around. I see no possible way.

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Speaker 1: Echoing Actually the Secretary of State Mark Rubio on television,

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Speaker 1: He's like, we're not even close to a peace agreement

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Speaker 1: right now. So I believe him. I think he's right.

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Speaker 1: And you know, with the European Unions and the Ukrainians,

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Speaker 1: it's not good right now.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, And just to spell people for people, and you

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Speaker 2: guys did a great job with with Meerscheimer spelling this

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Speaker 2: out over the weekend, the difference between a seasfire and

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Speaker 2: means you don't have to actually deal with the reality

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Speaker 2: of the territorial loss. You can just say, okay, we're

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Speaker 2: just taking a pause. Gives them a chance to sort

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Speaker 2: of regroup, reconstitute, reconsider, et cetera. Whereas the Russians, I mean,

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Speaker 2: you know, sovereign. The faster this ends, the better it

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Speaker 2: Like if it ends now, it's going to be incredibly

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Speaker 2: But if you continue, it is likely to only get

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Speaker 2: even uglier. Because of the logic of Russia just having

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Speaker 2: such a precarious position. You know, things have been like

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Speaker 2: the Russians continue to make sort of minor advances. They

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Speaker 2: did have a significant breakthrough that we covered last week. However,

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Speaker 2: as time goes on, the Russians are betting that whatever

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Speaker 2: economic strife they're facing from the sanctions, whatever potential societal

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Speaker 2: doesn't seem like a whole lot, that they can basically

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean again, it's not on a timeline. Everyone,

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Speaker 1: both the Russians and the Ukrainians are living in insane

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Speaker 1: like timeline where the Ukrainians are like, look at this

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Speaker 1: micro breakthrough that we made. It's like, look at the timescale.

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Speaker 1: In twenty twenty two, you launched your grand counter offensive,

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Speaker 1: and you made all of this talk about retaking this

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Speaker 1: is and this none of it happened. We gave you

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Speaker 1: probably one hundred billion dollars since that time period. The

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Speaker 1: frontline is relatively frozen and if there's been any movement,

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Speaker 1: it's been on the Russian side. Now, Zelenski himself again

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Speaker 1: reiterating those core demands where he wants a security guarantee

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Speaker 1: explicitly ahead of that, he only wants to cease fire

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Speaker 1: immediately before moving to peace. And then in terms of

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Speaker 7: Constitution of Ukraine makes it impossible, impossible to give up

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Speaker 2: not going to be any sort of end that is

437
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Speaker 2: all in any way, just for anyone, right, it is

438
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Speaker 2: not rageous that Ukraine was invaded by Russia. It's really

439
00:21:54,480 --> 00:21:57,760
Speaker 2: not their fault, you know, it was more US using

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Speaker 2: them as pawns in our imperial games. And now that

441
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Speaker 2: we get here, I see why Ukrainians would feel like, well,

442
00:22:04,400 --> 00:22:06,280
Speaker 2: you're the ones who dragged us into this position, so

443
00:22:06,359 --> 00:22:08,920
Speaker 2: you should be fully backing us up right. You should

444
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Speaker 2: be doing what it takes to make sure that our sovereignty,

445
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Speaker 2: in our territorial integrity is preserved. You should be guaranteeing

446
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Speaker 2: our security because you're the reason, a big part of

447
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Speaker 2: the reason that we're in this situation to begin with.

448
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Speaker 2: So I have endless sympathy for the place that the

449
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Speaker 2: Ukrainians have been dragged to in this situation. And it's

450
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Speaker 2: not to say to take away agents see from Zelenski

451
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Speaker 2: to say that there's nothing that's gone on there as well.

452
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Speaker 2: But we're the big players in this game, and we

453
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Speaker 2: have created this endlessly disastrous situation.

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Speaker 1: And here's again where I need to stick with this.

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Speaker 1: Zelenski today repeated the lie that the United States made

456
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Speaker 1: a security guarantee to Ukraine in nineteen ninety four. That

457
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Speaker 1: is complete bullshit. He's referring to the Budapest Memorandum of

458
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Speaker 1: ninety four where the Ukraine went Now again, I'm gonna

459
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Speaker 1: choose my language carefully gave up control of the Soviet

460
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Speaker 1: Union's nuclear weapons because they say it gave up control

461
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Speaker 1: of our nuclear right. No, no, no, no, no, no, gave

462
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Speaker 1: up control of the Soviet Union's nuclear weapons. Well, here's

463
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Speaker 1: news for you, Ukraine. That was a non binding agreement

464
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Speaker 1: made by the Clinton administration. Now, when Putin gives one

465
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Speaker 1: of his long lectures about NATO expansion, what does he cite.

466
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Speaker 1: He cites how George Schultz and other secretaries of State

467
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Speaker 1: told him we will never expand NATO beyond the borders

468
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Speaker 1: of Germany. That, by the way, is the exact same

469
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Speaker 1: logic of Putin, who said, the Secretary of State told

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Speaker 1: me that you wouldn't expand, and you expanded. Well, as

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Speaker 1: the Russians well know, in this country, nothing is legally

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Speaker 1: binding unless it passes the United States Senate. It's the

473
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Speaker 1: same thing with the Budapest memorandum. So you know what

474
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Speaker 1: you should do. You should treat them the Clinton administration

475
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Speaker 1: making a promise that they could never fulfill for the

476
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Speaker 1: same timeline, with the same weight of the United States

477
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Speaker 1: telling Putin we would not expand NATO. Neither are legally binding.

478
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Speaker 1: We have a treaty system ascribed by the Constitution in

479
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Speaker 1: this country. But yeah, at both sides take the word

480
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Speaker 1: of some previous administration as law that we're supposed to follow.

481
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Speaker 1: And yet if I told the Ukrainians, it's like, well,

482
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Speaker 1: by your own logic, then we never should expand NATO.

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Speaker 1: What would they say, That's a Putin talking point that's

484
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Speaker 1: completely non binding. And then Zelenski, with a straight face,

485
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Speaker 1: says the same thing. I get it, Okay, It's unseemly

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Speaker 1: the fact that we signed a memorandum and then didn't

487
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Speaker 1: end up backing it up later on. It's also unseemly

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Speaker 1: to me that we expanded NATO later on even though

489
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Speaker 1: we didn't say it. But that's our system. We live

490
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Speaker 1: in an elected government where different democratic leaders get to

491
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Speaker 1: make different changes to foreign policy. You have to view

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Speaker 1: it in that context and have to do so fairly,

493
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Speaker 1: and if you want it changed, then pass it through

494
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Speaker 1: the Senate. But that's the unfortunate part of all of this.

495
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Speaker 1: And this is the structure, the superstructure on top of

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Speaker 1: today's talks. It is the biggest NATO propaganda effort in

497
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Speaker 1: modern times since basically since the expansion and the initial

498
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Speaker 1: start of the war back in twenty twenty two. The

499
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Speaker 1: goal is to set completely ridiculous and out of step

500
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Speaker 1: param for the Trump administration and for the Europeans and

501
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Speaker 1: the Ukrainians such that Putin will not agree. They do

502
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Speaker 1: not want this war to come to a close period.

503
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Speaker 1: They are not ready to stomach it. And the net

504
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Speaker 1: result is probably going to be the Europeans continuing to

505
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Speaker 1: buy our scarce weapons from US, which again are coming

506
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Speaker 1: from US. Who pays for it? Almost doesn't matter if

507
00:25:19,960 --> 00:25:22,359
Speaker 1: the stocks are you know, is what matters the most.

508
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Speaker 3: Money is not really the issue.

509
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Speaker 1: And the war will continue day after day after day.

510
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Speaker 2: Yeah, and the Ukrainian position will further erode day after

511
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Speaker 2: day after day. I mean, this has really been one

512
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Speaker 2: of the lessons again of this war is we've set

513
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Speaker 2: all of the conditions for nations to take the lesson

514
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Speaker 2: of like keep your nukes or get nukes. Yeah, number

515
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Speaker 2: one and number two. The earlier this conflict was resolved,

516
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Speaker 2: the better position that Ukraine would have been in. I mean,

517
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Speaker 2: it still continues to be such a tragedy that we

518
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Speaker 2: blew up those peace talks that were ongoing in Istanbul,

519
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Speaker 2: because that would have been the moment when you had

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Speaker 2: the best potential possible outcome from Ukraine. And every day

521
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Speaker 2: that they want to continue this war. The likely position

522
00:26:05,119 --> 00:26:07,480
Speaker 2: of Ukraine and the likelihood that it's even able to

523
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Speaker 2: persist truly as a sovereign, independent nation continue to diminish.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, absolutely right, all right, So that's the context. We'll

525
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Speaker 1: see how it goes for today. It's going to be

526
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Speaker 1: a truly extraordinary day here in Washington. The schedule is

527
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Speaker 1: an initial meeting first with President Zelenski, then a lunch

528
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Speaker 1: to follow with the head of NATO all of the

529
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Speaker 1: major NATO powers in their heads of state as well

530
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Speaker 1: as the European Union, and then some sort of press

531
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Speaker 1: conference release memorandum or whatever that will be released afterwards.

532
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Speaker 1: That will be the set terms. Then we'll see what

533
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Speaker 1: the Russians have to say.

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Speaker 2: So we expect them, Zaga to like take questions at

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Speaker 2: any point.

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Speaker 1: So let me take a look at the schedule just

537
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Speaker 1: very quickly.

538
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Speaker 3: Of course, we'll cover whatever.

539
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Speaker 1: Yeah, We're going to everything that comes up. Knowing Trump,

540
00:26:54,880 --> 00:26:58,040
Speaker 1: there's going to be something, so yeah, on his public schedule.

541
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Speaker 1: There is not currently any public press conference, but there

542
00:27:02,280 --> 00:27:05,520
Speaker 1: is a press spray. What that means is when Trump

543
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Speaker 1: is like in the Oval office and the cameras all

544
00:27:07,640 --> 00:27:09,440
Speaker 1: come in, yeah, to ask questions. So we have two

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Speaker 1: of those scheduled, one with Zelenski and one actually with

546
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Speaker 1: the European leaders. So most likely that three pm press

547
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Speaker 1: pool in the East room where they're going to have

548
00:27:19,760 --> 00:27:22,560
Speaker 1: some sort of big meeting. That is where we will

549
00:27:22,600 --> 00:27:25,800
Speaker 1: probably see the most significant tape out of today. But

550
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Speaker 1: we'll see. And as we saw with the Putin Summit,

551
00:27:28,800 --> 00:27:31,600
Speaker 1: things move around, get canceled and stuff all the time.

552
00:27:31,640 --> 00:27:33,480
Speaker 1: It moves at a very rapid pace, so who knows

553
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Speaker 1: what's actually going to happen, But that's the context.

554
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Speaker 2: Let's go ahead and get to this situation that unfolded

555
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Speaker 2: in Las Vegas.

556
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Speaker 3: I can scarcely.

557
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Speaker 2: Believe that the details of this are correct, but we

558
00:27:47,480 --> 00:27:50,239
Speaker 2: have double and triple checked and yes, in fact, this

559
00:27:50,320 --> 00:27:52,840
Speaker 2: all really did unfold. Let's put this up on the

560
00:27:52,880 --> 00:27:56,479
Speaker 2: screen and shout out to I'm actually not sure her

561
00:27:56,480 --> 00:27:59,879
Speaker 2: full name, mel. Her handle on Twitter is Village Crazy Lady.

562
00:28:00,200 --> 00:28:02,600
Speaker 2: She's done some really important reporting, not just here, so

563
00:28:02,640 --> 00:28:04,520
Speaker 2: shout out to her for really breaking this down and

564
00:28:04,880 --> 00:28:07,639
Speaker 2: highlighting this, bringing it to the forefront.

565
00:28:08,000 --> 00:28:08,840
Speaker 3: So she tweets.

566
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Speaker 2: The executive director of Israel's National Cyber Directorate was arrested

567
00:28:14,800 --> 00:28:19,600
Speaker 2: this week in Las Vegas in a child predator ring sting.

568
00:28:19,720 --> 00:28:21,560
Speaker 2: There were a number of other people who were arrested

569
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Speaker 2: as well, I think seven different individuals. So he gets

570
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Speaker 2: arrested in this sting of trying to lure a child

571
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Speaker 2: on a computer for sex acts, and then he's released

572
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Speaker 2: and allowed to go back to Israel. Keep this up

573
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Speaker 2: on the screen for just one moment so you can

574
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Speaker 2: see she has screenshots here. One from why not News,

575
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Speaker 2: which is an Israeli publication, says US detains worker from

576
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Speaker 2: Israel's top cyber defense agency for questioning the Prime Minister's office,

577
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Speaker 2: as the incident resolved quickly, ending with brief questioning of

578
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Speaker 2: National Cyber Director at Stafford before his release. So that's

579
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Speaker 2: the way they're spinning It is like, oh, he was

580
00:29:00,240 --> 00:29:02,560
Speaker 2: just a question that I was all fine. You've got

581
00:29:02,560 --> 00:29:06,360
Speaker 2: the local news saying that all of these individuals. By

582
00:29:06,400 --> 00:29:08,040
Speaker 2: the way, one of the other dudes in here was

583
00:29:08,080 --> 00:29:11,239
Speaker 2: a pastor a minister, so that's cool too. But he

584
00:29:11,280 --> 00:29:15,280
Speaker 2: actually was arrested, apparently facing charges. They all face felony

585
00:29:15,600 --> 00:29:19,520
Speaker 2: charges of luring a child with a computer for a

586
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Speaker 2: sex act and were booked into the Henderson Detention Center

587
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Speaker 2: with the exception of one of the individuals who's booked

588
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Speaker 2: into a different detention center center. So again all of

589
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Speaker 2: them arrested and booked. You can see she also has

590
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Speaker 2: this guy Tom Alexandrovich, who was the executive director of

591
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Speaker 2: Israel's still is an Israel's national cyber Director, which a

592
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Speaker 2: very important position, by the way. There you can see

593
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Speaker 2: his Twitter profile, so you can see sort of you know,

594
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Speaker 2: what his whole deal is. Let's put the next piece

595
00:29:48,680 --> 00:29:51,520
Speaker 2: up on the screen with some more details reported out

596
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Speaker 2: here by Mel. She says, just to clarify, she's got

597
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Speaker 2: the arrest record here on the right. Okay, so again

598
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Speaker 2: rebutting the line of the Israeli Prime Minister's office, saying, oh,

599
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Speaker 2: he's just questioning his release. No, no, no, Here he

600
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Speaker 2: is the arrest record right there on the right of

601
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Speaker 2: your screen.

602
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Speaker 3: She says.

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Speaker 2: Number one, Tom Alexandrovitch, was one hundred percent charge. It's

604
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Speaker 2: on the county website. His next hearing is supposed to

605
00:30:16,480 --> 00:30:18,360
Speaker 2: be eight twenty seven, twenty twenty five. I'm sure that's

606
00:30:18,400 --> 00:30:21,360
Speaker 2: not happening. Number two Tom was charged with luring a

607
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Speaker 2: child with a computer to engage in sexual conduct. Number

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Speaker 2: three in order to be charged with this specific offense.

609
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Speaker 2: Tom had to seek out a child under the age

610
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Speaker 2: of sixteen with the explicit purpose of luring them from

611
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Speaker 2: their parents to engage in sexual conduct, who, she says

612
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Speaker 2: in the Trump admin intervened on behalf of him? Was

613
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Speaker 2: it cash? Wouldn't surprise me since the FBI was part

614
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Speaker 2: of the sting. We want answers now, Sean King does

615
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Speaker 2: have some reporting. Now his reports should be taken with

616
00:30:48,240 --> 00:30:50,960
Speaker 2: a Graham salt. He claims to have sources within the

617
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Speaker 2: police department who said, yes, this was, you know, our sting,

618
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Speaker 2: and the Trump administration intervened and pushed forced him to

619
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Speaker 2: be released so that he could fly back to Israel

620
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Speaker 2: in order to escape any sort of charges or.

621
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Speaker 3: Accountability for this. I don't even know what to say.

622
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Speaker 2: I mean, like, again, the details of this you could

623
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Speaker 2: not even make up. But it appears that he was

624
00:31:18,800 --> 00:31:22,320
Speaker 2: caught dead to rights as part of this broader child

625
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Speaker 2: pedophilia sting in Las Vegas, and then the federal government,

626
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Speaker 2: the Trump administration.

627
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Speaker 3: Very likely.

628
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Speaker 2: We don't have that totally locked down, but very likely,

629
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Speaker 2: because how else would this happen. Intervene said now you

630
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Speaker 2: got to let this guy go, and he's.

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Speaker 3: Allowed to fly back to Israel.

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Speaker 1: Unbelievable soccer Very interesting, isn't it. I think a lot

633
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Speaker 1: of it speaks for itself. So I'll just leave someone.

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Speaker 2: Not much commentaries really need to here, is it just

635
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Speaker 2: you know, I mean we could yeah, we could talk

636
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Speaker 2: about you know, also what's going on with Epstein kind

637
00:31:55,400 --> 00:31:58,120
Speaker 2: of connects into this that you can make that connection

638
00:31:58,280 --> 00:32:01,400
Speaker 2: if you'd like to. But you could talk about these

639
00:32:01,440 --> 00:32:04,880
Speaker 2: six interests are being protected here. Yeah, just so you

640
00:32:04,920 --> 00:32:06,400
Speaker 2: note that this isn't the first time.

641
00:32:06,240 --> 00:32:09,680
Speaker 1: Our Jewish American pedophiles hide from justice in Israel. In

642
00:32:09,760 --> 00:32:13,280
Speaker 1: a tense stakeout, they talk about having to look at quote,

643
00:32:13,360 --> 00:32:17,959
Speaker 1: the widespread problem of many accused American pedophiles flee to Israel.

644
00:32:18,320 --> 00:32:21,160
Speaker 1: Bringing them to justice can be very difficult. In fact,

645
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Speaker 1: an entire watchdog organization has to track pedophiles inside of

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Speaker 1: Israel because they flee there and they seek use their

647
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Speaker 1: dual citizenship basically to seek legal escape the legal system

648
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Speaker 1: here of the United States. I'll recall everyone will call

649
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Speaker 1: that Epstein at one point fled to Israel. It was

650
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Speaker 1: open talk in US society. Returned from Israel to the

651
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Speaker 1: United States for a Sweetheart plea agreement in April of

652
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Speaker 1: two thousand and eight.

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Speaker 3: He was negotiating that deal from Israel.

654
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Speaker 1: Product that's right, And what they say actually inside is

655
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Speaker 1: at least more than sixty have fled the US to Israel.

656
00:32:53,880 --> 00:32:57,000
Speaker 1: Given its limited resources to identify these individuals, they say

657
00:32:57,000 --> 00:33:00,160
Speaker 1: the actual number is probably much higher. Again, basically a

658
00:33:00,200 --> 00:33:03,120
Speaker 1: weaponization of dual citizenship. But and here, you know, it

659
00:33:03,160 --> 00:33:06,400
Speaker 1: could actually be a weaponization of diplomatic immunity. Now you

660
00:33:06,440 --> 00:33:08,160
Speaker 1: and I have lived here in Washington and or you

661
00:33:08,240 --> 00:33:10,720
Speaker 1: lived in New York too, So the diplomatic community thing

662
00:33:11,120 --> 00:33:14,240
Speaker 1: is always, you know, a source of tension. We have

663
00:33:14,280 --> 00:33:17,000
Speaker 1: a ton of diplomats here in DC. They have diplomatic plates.

664
00:33:17,040 --> 00:33:20,400
Speaker 1: They often ignore traffic signs or whatever. But that doesn't

665
00:33:20,440 --> 00:33:24,320
Speaker 1: absolve you, as it says very specifically of felony charges.

666
00:33:24,840 --> 00:33:26,800
Speaker 1: It's limited. But in many cases, like if you commit

667
00:33:26,880 --> 00:33:29,200
Speaker 1: like murder or something, it's like you just get diplomatic community.

668
00:33:29,280 --> 00:33:30,920
Speaker 1: It's not how it works, right, And so one of

669
00:33:31,000 --> 00:33:32,960
Speaker 1: the things there are a lot of questions here is

670
00:33:32,960 --> 00:33:36,880
Speaker 1: how exactly did you escape, you know, from a questioning standpoint,

671
00:33:37,040 --> 00:33:39,800
Speaker 1: especially because all of the other people from what we

672
00:33:39,840 --> 00:33:43,600
Speaker 1: can see have been arrested right in this sting. And

673
00:33:43,920 --> 00:33:45,960
Speaker 1: by the way, you know, there were some initial questions

674
00:33:46,200 --> 00:33:50,360
Speaker 1: around this, but other organization news organizations, including The Guardian,

675
00:33:50,600 --> 00:33:54,440
Speaker 1: have confirmed his identity, so we're going off of their reporting.

676
00:33:54,480 --> 00:33:57,520
Speaker 1: But it is still, you know, extraordinary because the very

677
00:33:57,560 --> 00:34:00,560
Speaker 1: fact that he was released, whether it was state, local,

678
00:34:00,680 --> 00:34:04,280
Speaker 1: or federal, is outrageous, right because you have somebody came

679
00:34:04,320 --> 00:34:07,080
Speaker 1: to our soil. I mean, he did the worst thing

680
00:34:07,120 --> 00:34:09,359
Speaker 1: he can do. In my opinion, the absolute worst crime

681
00:34:09,400 --> 00:34:12,160
Speaker 1: of all is trying to exploit a small child, right,

682
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Speaker 1: I mean, as far as I'm concerned, Like that's where

683
00:34:15,160 --> 00:34:19,239
Speaker 1: we get the death penalty and then you get not

684
00:34:19,400 --> 00:34:22,240
Speaker 1: you get to flee the country and go back. There's

685
00:34:22,320 --> 00:34:24,960
Speaker 1: just so much about you know, the actual crime itself,

686
00:34:25,000 --> 00:34:27,319
Speaker 1: the way that our government is willing to look the

687
00:34:27,360 --> 00:34:29,279
Speaker 1: other way. Again, we don't know if the FEDS were

688
00:34:29,480 --> 00:34:31,759
Speaker 1: totally involved. I don't really see how they couldn't be.

689
00:34:31,840 --> 00:34:33,680
Speaker 1: How could they not, because how do you just get

690
00:34:33,760 --> 00:34:36,200
Speaker 1: let somebody go right like that? Or you know, maybe

691
00:34:36,239 --> 00:34:38,720
Speaker 1: they got scared because he was a diplomat. He flashed

692
00:34:38,719 --> 00:34:40,760
Speaker 1: the diplomatic passport. I don't that's possible.

693
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Speaker 2: I mean, does he even qualify for diplomatic immunity, because

694
00:34:43,800 --> 00:34:46,080
Speaker 2: I mean, he's not like an ambassador, you know.

695
00:34:46,239 --> 00:34:46,920
Speaker 3: I mean, he's an.

696
00:34:46,920 --> 00:34:51,440
Speaker 2: Israeli official, but not every is every government official isn'tentiled

697
00:34:51,480 --> 00:34:54,840
Speaker 2: to diplomatic immunity. It's supposed to be ambassadors, high commissioners,

698
00:34:54,840 --> 00:34:56,799
Speaker 2: other senior diplomatic officials.

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Speaker 3: So no, I mean, I think.

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Speaker 2: It almost has to be be that. You know, probably

701
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Speaker 2: the Israelis.

702
00:35:04,640 --> 00:35:07,480
Speaker 1: Look, somebody somewhere did something that's always.

703
00:35:07,239 --> 00:35:08,240
Speaker 3: Really caught wind.

704
00:35:08,920 --> 00:35:12,040
Speaker 2: They called up, you know, who would that fact. Maybe

705
00:35:12,080 --> 00:35:15,520
Speaker 2: it's cash, maybe who knows. Someone in the Trump administration

706
00:35:15,719 --> 00:35:18,960
Speaker 2: was like, this can't happen, and you know, and I'm

707
00:35:18,960 --> 00:35:21,200
Speaker 2: sure there were this will be a scandal, and this

708
00:35:21,200 --> 00:35:22,840
Speaker 2: will be a big deal, and you don't want to

709
00:35:22,920 --> 00:35:25,240
Speaker 2: have to deal with this and hope that it would.

710
00:35:25,040 --> 00:35:26,240
Speaker 3: Just fly under the radar.

711
00:35:26,640 --> 00:35:29,200
Speaker 2: And it may well have if you didn't have you know,

712
00:35:29,239 --> 00:35:32,040
Speaker 2: a few people, a few like Twitter, flus and journalists

713
00:35:32,120 --> 00:35:34,040
Speaker 2: who looked into this and were like, hey, guys, this

714
00:35:34,120 --> 00:35:36,879
Speaker 2: is kind of a big deal. But yeah, we need

715
00:35:36,920 --> 00:35:41,120
Speaker 2: answers to who intervened, at what point and at what

716
00:35:41,400 --> 00:35:45,319
Speaker 2: level because this is absolutely insane. To go back to

717
00:35:45,360 --> 00:35:47,880
Speaker 2: the piece that Soccer was citing before. Was that CBS

718
00:35:47,880 --> 00:35:50,000
Speaker 2: News that does did the reporting there. This is a

719
00:35:50,040 --> 00:35:52,359
Speaker 2: few years back, what like twenty eighteen or so that

720
00:35:52,360 --> 00:35:55,080
Speaker 2: that report came out. But in any case, you know,

721
00:35:55,120 --> 00:35:59,200
Speaker 2: they talk about it and compare it to the scandal

722
00:35:59,280 --> 00:36:02,040
Speaker 2: and the Catholic Church where you had you know, you

723
00:36:02,080 --> 00:36:03,080
Speaker 2: had a.

724
00:36:02,880 --> 00:36:04,000
Speaker 3: Mass cover up.

725
00:36:04,400 --> 00:36:08,279
Speaker 2: And within the Jewish community oftentimes it's in these you

726
00:36:08,360 --> 00:36:12,719
Speaker 2: know more you know Orthodox, that acidic where they don't

727
00:36:12,719 --> 00:36:15,200
Speaker 2: want you know, shame on the community, and so it's

728
00:36:15,239 --> 00:36:18,480
Speaker 2: just okay, well, you can flee to Israel and you

729
00:36:18,480 --> 00:36:20,759
Speaker 2: know there'll be people there, but it will pick you

730
00:36:20,800 --> 00:36:21,640
Speaker 2: in and protect you.

731
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Speaker 1: The Hissidic stuff is even crazier. I've read number there's

732
00:36:24,640 --> 00:36:26,480
Speaker 1: a New Yorker story from back in the day about

733
00:36:26,520 --> 00:36:29,240
Speaker 1: inside the Hissidic community how they protect you. Yeah, remember

734
00:36:29,560 --> 00:36:31,040
Speaker 1: you know, and he was like, they're like, oh, you

735
00:36:31,200 --> 00:36:33,760
Speaker 1: just pay them off, like you pay them twenty thousand

736
00:36:33,760 --> 00:36:36,120
Speaker 1: dollars or whatever, and everybody makes it go away and

737
00:36:36,160 --> 00:36:39,719
Speaker 1: nobody goes to NYPD. I was like, this is disgusting

738
00:36:39,760 --> 00:36:42,480
Speaker 1: because it was just a serial predator protected over and

739
00:36:42,520 --> 00:36:46,200
Speaker 1: over and over again. Yeah, they don't want scrutiny of

740
00:36:46,239 --> 00:36:48,480
Speaker 1: their community, which is crazy. I mean, sorry, you live

741
00:36:48,520 --> 00:36:50,840
Speaker 1: in this country. You know. By the way, if you

742
00:36:50,840 --> 00:36:53,600
Speaker 1: want to live under religious law, there's a place called Israel.

743
00:36:53,680 --> 00:36:55,480
Speaker 1: You can go and live there. Apparently you can live

744
00:36:55,520 --> 00:36:59,120
Speaker 1: with impunity here, Apparently to these Jewish American pedophiles. In

745
00:36:59,160 --> 00:37:00,960
Speaker 1: the story, they talk about how some of the people

746
00:37:01,800 --> 00:37:05,400
Speaker 1: who prey on children here go there, flee and actually

747
00:37:05,400 --> 00:37:08,400
Speaker 1: continue to you know, dope while they're course. Yeah, so

748
00:37:08,400 --> 00:37:09,960
Speaker 1: they're going after Israeli children too.

749
00:37:10,400 --> 00:37:11,759
Speaker 3: Sick, absolutely sick.

750
00:37:12,120 --> 00:37:14,520
Speaker 2: Speaking of sick, you guys will recall there was a

751
00:37:14,600 --> 00:37:18,439
Speaker 2: right to rape protest in Israel, of course, because there

752
00:37:18,520 --> 00:37:23,080
Speaker 2: were Idea soldiers who were caught on camera raping and

753
00:37:23,120 --> 00:37:27,520
Speaker 2: abusing Palestinian detainee. And you know, for once, there was

754
00:37:27,560 --> 00:37:30,120
Speaker 2: an attempt to intervene and arrest these guys, and there

755
00:37:30,160 --> 00:37:34,080
Speaker 2: was a mass protest against just the most basic level

756
00:37:34,080 --> 00:37:37,360
Speaker 2: of accountability for these actions, which were again caught on camera.

757
00:37:37,400 --> 00:37:41,560
Speaker 2: And apparently, this, this debate over whether or not Israeli

758
00:37:41,719 --> 00:37:47,120
Speaker 2: soldiers should be you know, raping prisoners continues to this day.

759
00:37:47,239 --> 00:37:49,200
Speaker 2: Let's go and put this up on the screens of

760
00:37:49,280 --> 00:37:52,600
Speaker 2: vo this Channel twelve news, This person says, you know,

761
00:37:52,600 --> 00:37:55,440
Speaker 2: it's one of the most popular news channels in Israel,

762
00:37:55,560 --> 00:37:58,480
Speaker 2: and they host a debate for and against institutional rape

763
00:37:58,480 --> 00:38:01,560
Speaker 2: of m US detainees as a policy. And remember also,

764
00:38:02,040 --> 00:38:03,840
Speaker 2: I mean not that it would be okay even if

765
00:38:03,880 --> 00:38:07,240
Speaker 2: they actually were quote unquote Hamas detainees, but they also arrest,

766
00:38:07,600 --> 00:38:11,200
Speaker 2: they arrest children, they arrest any man who is quote

767
00:38:11,280 --> 00:38:14,759
Speaker 2: unquote a military age. The level of abuse that has

768
00:38:14,800 --> 00:38:20,080
Speaker 2: been documented by multiple human rights organizations is just absolutely sickening.

769
00:38:20,160 --> 00:38:22,360
Speaker 2: So they're having, you know, a little pro and con,

770
00:38:22,800 --> 00:38:26,960
Speaker 2: you know, a little crossfire style debate there on Israeli

771
00:38:27,239 --> 00:38:30,040
Speaker 2: channel twelve news. Let's go and put this next one

772
00:38:30,120 --> 00:38:31,719
Speaker 2: up on the screensider because I know you're going to

773
00:38:31,800 --> 00:38:36,200
Speaker 2: enjoy this one. The ADL has updated updated their glossary

774
00:38:36,360 --> 00:38:40,000
Speaker 2: of extremism and hate because they're really a credible, a

775
00:38:40,080 --> 00:38:44,239
Speaker 2: really credible source now of extremism, and they say that

776
00:38:44,280 --> 00:38:48,640
Speaker 2: America First is now considered to be an extremist term

777
00:38:49,000 --> 00:38:53,600
Speaker 2: used by extremists in anti Semitic, racist, and xenophobic ways. Now,

778
00:38:53,680 --> 00:38:55,520
Speaker 2: let me be honest, there is a certain way in

779
00:38:55,560 --> 00:38:57,120
Speaker 2: which you could define this that maybe you could get

780
00:38:57,160 --> 00:38:58,640
Speaker 2: me to go along and agree, but we all know

781
00:38:58,680 --> 00:39:01,719
Speaker 2: what's going on here. We all know what's going on here.

782
00:39:01,800 --> 00:39:05,240
Speaker 2: It's that there are any Republicans who use the America

783
00:39:05,280 --> 00:39:08,719
Speaker 2: First label to say, hey, maybe we shouldn't be supporting

784
00:39:08,719 --> 00:39:12,000
Speaker 2: this genocide in Gaza. Maybe we should be focused on

785
00:39:12,080 --> 00:39:14,759
Speaker 2: what is actually in the interest of our country and

786
00:39:14,840 --> 00:39:18,279
Speaker 2: not participate in this barbarism that is going on with

787
00:39:18,400 --> 00:39:20,239
Speaker 2: our tax dollars in our name.

788
00:39:20,840 --> 00:39:22,759
Speaker 3: That's the part that they truly object.

789
00:39:22,440 --> 00:39:24,880
Speaker 1: Of course, and they did this before. I mean, remember

790
00:39:24,960 --> 00:39:29,160
Speaker 1: the interracial marriage, intermarriage thing that we talked about that recently.

791
00:39:29,280 --> 00:39:32,400
Speaker 1: And the reason why all of this is important is

792
00:39:32,400 --> 00:39:35,680
Speaker 1: that it's about defining the terms and making sure that

793
00:39:35,840 --> 00:39:40,000
Speaker 1: all discussion, sane discussion, is pushed to the realm of

794
00:39:40,040 --> 00:39:44,279
Speaker 1: being branded anti Semitism. Now, I again think that it's

795
00:39:44,320 --> 00:39:47,440
Speaker 1: backfiring spectacularly, and that's part of the reason why I

796
00:39:47,520 --> 00:39:50,479
Speaker 1: don't quite get it. Popular culture has long move now

797
00:39:50,640 --> 00:39:53,439
Speaker 1: against Israel. Mainstream media is the last bastion of any

798
00:39:53,480 --> 00:39:56,920
Speaker 1: pro Israeli supporting and most people who are like us,

799
00:39:56,960 --> 00:40:00,719
Speaker 1: who don't have any ties funding ties right to the establishment,

800
00:40:00,760 --> 00:40:03,440
Speaker 1: can say what they want when they're confronted with this

801
00:40:03,560 --> 00:40:05,600
Speaker 1: level of smearing they just say, screw you. I'm not

802
00:40:05,640 --> 00:40:07,760
Speaker 1: going to deal with it anymore. Miss Rachel is actually

803
00:40:07,760 --> 00:40:10,719
Speaker 1: the perfect example. She just shared this, I'll go ahead

804
00:40:10,760 --> 00:40:13,120
Speaker 1: and read it. She says, the group the Stop Anti

805
00:40:13,120 --> 00:40:15,759
Speaker 1: Semitism is calling me evil for wanting starving children to

806
00:40:15,760 --> 00:40:18,000
Speaker 1: have food. They called for me to be investigated by

807
00:40:18,000 --> 00:40:20,560
Speaker 1: the DOJ because I care about Palestinian children along with

808
00:40:20,600 --> 00:40:23,760
Speaker 1: all children. It's led to me getting threats, needing security,

809
00:40:23,960 --> 00:40:25,600
Speaker 1: and they have tried to ruin my career. It has

810
00:40:25,640 --> 00:40:28,239
Speaker 1: been incredibly painful, but the pain does not compare in

811
00:40:28,280 --> 00:40:30,800
Speaker 1: the slightest to what the children of Gaza experience. My

812
00:40:30,880 --> 00:40:33,640
Speaker 1: dedication to children and their human rights is stronger than

813
00:40:33,680 --> 00:40:35,800
Speaker 1: any of it. So that's what you've done. You actually

814
00:40:35,880 --> 00:40:40,640
Speaker 1: turned the most popular children's influencer in the world with

815
00:40:40,680 --> 00:40:44,000
Speaker 1: what the most streamed show on all of Netflix ever? Yeah,

816
00:40:44,120 --> 00:40:46,920
Speaker 1: children on top of YouTube. I mean I was recently

817
00:40:46,920 --> 00:40:48,319
Speaker 1: looking at you. I didn't even know views like that

818
00:40:48,360 --> 00:40:51,600
Speaker 1: were possible, like one point one billion outside of Gangnam

819
00:40:51,640 --> 00:40:53,719
Speaker 1: Style or whatever. I was like, I did not know

820
00:40:54,160 --> 00:40:56,759
Speaker 1: this existed. And so, and she's only been doing this

821
00:40:56,800 --> 00:41:01,560
Speaker 1: for five six years. She's got the multi millillion dollar Honestly,

822
00:41:01,600 --> 00:41:03,640
Speaker 1: maybe a billion dollar brand. You know here in the

823
00:41:03,719 --> 00:41:06,239
Speaker 1: US they sell stuff of hers it like Target. So

824
00:41:06,719 --> 00:41:10,640
Speaker 1: you have turned that person into one of the most prominent,

825
00:41:10,920 --> 00:41:14,280
Speaker 1: you know, spokespeople for the children of Gaza by branding

826
00:41:14,320 --> 00:41:17,799
Speaker 1: them anti Semitic. We are just you know, news commentators

827
00:41:17,840 --> 00:41:20,239
Speaker 1: and others. But the more that this comes for other

828
00:41:20,280 --> 00:41:23,000
Speaker 1: people inside of the system, you just make it so

829
00:41:23,040 --> 00:41:25,640
Speaker 1: that you look at the ADL thing and you just laugh,

830
00:41:25,760 --> 00:41:27,600
Speaker 1: and then next time they're going to come and talk

831
00:41:27,600 --> 00:41:30,520
Speaker 1: to me about anti semitism, even if it's genuinely anti Semitic,

832
00:41:30,560 --> 00:41:32,719
Speaker 1: I'm like, I need six other sources I need, I

833
00:41:32,760 --> 00:41:35,160
Speaker 1: need to or let me check it out for myself.

834
00:41:35,280 --> 00:41:38,000
Speaker 3: Any credibility, That's what I do, any credibility.

835
00:41:38,000 --> 00:41:40,120
Speaker 1: It's like when someone calls something racist, I'm like, all right,

836
00:41:40,200 --> 00:41:42,560
Speaker 1: show it to me, let me see, you know, let

837
00:41:42,560 --> 00:41:45,319
Speaker 1: me scrutinize it for myself. I don't believe you. That's

838
00:41:45,360 --> 00:41:46,880
Speaker 1: my number. If the media is saying it, I'm like,

839
00:41:47,000 --> 00:41:49,319
Speaker 1: let me check it out. Hate crime attack, I got

840
00:41:49,320 --> 00:41:51,520
Speaker 1: to see all the details. If it didn't happen on camera,

841
00:41:51,719 --> 00:41:54,200
Speaker 1: don't believe it. Same thing here, you know, it's one

842
00:41:54,239 --> 00:41:57,000
Speaker 1: of those where they have turned it into a social

843
00:41:57,080 --> 00:42:01,080
Speaker 1: weapon against everybody. And we are now, I think collectively,

844
00:42:01,320 --> 00:42:04,399
Speaker 1: at a point where like, if you are not outwardly

845
00:42:04,600 --> 00:42:06,920
Speaker 1: you know, denying the Holocaust or whatever. Yeah, and if

846
00:42:06,960 --> 00:42:09,200
Speaker 1: it's about Israel, I'm not going well.

847
00:42:09,200 --> 00:42:12,280
Speaker 2: And guess what genuine anti Semitism is on the rise.

848
00:42:12,360 --> 00:42:15,719
Speaker 2: And it's precisely because of the actions of Israel and

849
00:42:15,800 --> 00:42:18,919
Speaker 2: insistence that every Jew must be associated with it, which

850
00:42:18,960 --> 00:42:22,600
Speaker 2: is preposterous and in and of itself anti Semitic. We

851
00:42:22,719 --> 00:42:26,319
Speaker 2: just think about the discourse around Zoron winning in New

852
00:42:26,400 --> 00:42:29,319
Speaker 2: York and which continues to this day, about oh, he

853
00:42:29,360 --> 00:42:31,480
Speaker 2: needs to do more to appeal to the Jewish community,

854
00:42:31,480 --> 00:42:33,440
Speaker 2: blah blah blah. Then you actually look at the numbers,

855
00:42:33,440 --> 00:42:36,040
Speaker 2: You're like, wait a second, he has, overwhelming some way,

856
00:42:36,120 --> 00:42:37,680
Speaker 2: is more support than any of the rest of these

857
00:42:37,680 --> 00:42:41,160
Speaker 2: people with the Jewish community in New York. So maybe

858
00:42:41,200 --> 00:42:46,040
Speaker 2: stop being so one dimensional and characters Jewish and stereotyping

859
00:42:46,120 --> 00:42:48,400
Speaker 2: people and what they care about and their position on

860
00:42:48,400 --> 00:42:51,720
Speaker 2: this issue, because no, turns out, not every Jewish American

861
00:42:51,880 --> 00:42:55,279
Speaker 2: wants to be associated with the genocide being perpetrated in

862
00:42:55,320 --> 00:42:58,360
Speaker 2: their names in Gaza. It is utterly and completely disgusting.

863
00:42:58,640 --> 00:43:02,920
Speaker 2: And so then when you have this intense censorship, and

864
00:43:03,080 --> 00:43:07,919
Speaker 2: when it's so clearly weaponized to just completely crush any

865
00:43:07,920 --> 00:43:11,359
Speaker 2: sort of legitimate descent on our nation's policy by the way,

866
00:43:11,480 --> 00:43:14,440
Speaker 2: visa VI a foreign visa v. The country of Israel,

867
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Speaker 2: and opposition horror at what was being done there. When

868
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Speaker 2: you have that, then yeah, I mean this is part

869
00:43:20,680 --> 00:43:24,040
Speaker 2: of why people like Nick Fuentes, who are genuine white

870
00:43:24,120 --> 00:43:28,080
Speaker 2: nationalists and genuinely anti Semitic. Guess what, you have a

871
00:43:28,120 --> 00:43:30,280
Speaker 2: lot of people who are, oh, well, what he's saying

872
00:43:30,400 --> 00:43:33,719
Speaker 2: is making sense. No, he has a disgusting ideology. What

873
00:43:33,840 --> 00:43:36,480
Speaker 2: is he's saying does not make sense? But should you

874
00:43:36,560 --> 00:43:39,640
Speaker 2: be surprised? Are you remotely surprised that those are the

875
00:43:39,680 --> 00:43:42,200
Speaker 2: types of people who will gain traction in this moment?

876
00:43:42,400 --> 00:43:45,920
Speaker 2: You certainly shouldn't be surprised by that is and you know,

877
00:43:45,960 --> 00:43:49,160
Speaker 2: the ADL is probably you know, part and parcel of

878
00:43:49,239 --> 00:43:52,400
Speaker 2: sparking more anti Semitism than any other group in America

879
00:43:52,440 --> 00:43:54,280
Speaker 2: outside of the US federal government.

880
00:43:54,880 --> 00:43:56,239
Speaker 3: Let's go and play this next part.

881
00:43:56,360 --> 00:44:00,160
Speaker 2: So obviously there's this disgusting alliance between you know, the

882
00:44:00,920 --> 00:44:05,560
Speaker 2: absolute psychos in Israel, the psychos in our national government

883
00:44:05,680 --> 00:44:10,440
Speaker 2: and the evangelical Christian base, some of whom you believe

884
00:44:10,480 --> 00:44:12,840
Speaker 2: in certainly some of the leaders of whom believe that

885
00:44:12,960 --> 00:44:15,440
Speaker 2: it is their God, you know, that it is their

886
00:44:15,520 --> 00:44:18,480
Speaker 2: duty to God to support Israel, no matter how many

887
00:44:18,480 --> 00:44:21,920
Speaker 2: babies they massacre. So as emblematic of that, here is

888
00:44:22,120 --> 00:44:25,279
Speaker 2: Mark Levin talking about how this is God's war that

889
00:44:25,320 --> 00:44:25,880
Speaker 2: we're fighting.

890
00:44:26,000 --> 00:44:26,600
Speaker 3: Take a lesson.

891
00:44:26,960 --> 00:44:32,279
Speaker 9: This is good versus evil. This is civilizations, the ambassador said,

892
00:44:32,360 --> 00:44:41,080
Speaker 9: versus the barbarians. We're fighting the seventh century and we

893
00:44:41,280 --> 00:44:48,279
Speaker 9: just beat the crap out of it. On. This is

894
00:44:48,320 --> 00:44:51,560
Speaker 9: a righteous war we're fighting. And let me say this,

895
00:44:51,560 --> 00:44:59,400
Speaker 9: this is God's war that we're fighting right now. And

896
00:44:59,400 --> 00:45:03,000
Speaker 9: if you are it's too stupid to understand that's their problem.

897
00:45:03,560 --> 00:45:04,480
Speaker 1: I will remind you.

898
00:45:06,400 --> 00:45:07,600
Speaker 9: That's where Hitler was born.

899
00:45:08,239 --> 00:45:09,080
Speaker 3: Kufi Conference.

900
00:45:09,120 --> 00:45:12,359
Speaker 2: There, Christians united for Israel, and he's saying, oh, this

901
00:45:12,440 --> 00:45:15,359
Speaker 2: is good versus evil. Really, the good side is the

902
00:45:15,360 --> 00:45:18,920
Speaker 2: one that's massacring and starving the babies, starving the entire population.

903
00:45:19,120 --> 00:45:22,200
Speaker 2: The good side is the one that just announced complete

904
00:45:22,239 --> 00:45:25,640
Speaker 2: and you know, authorized, complete ethnic cleansing displacement plan into

905
00:45:25,719 --> 00:45:28,600
Speaker 2: concentration camps, which is currently in talks with different nations

906
00:45:28,719 --> 00:45:32,480
Speaker 2: to permanently displace Palestinians from Gaza strip. That's what your

907
00:45:32,520 --> 00:45:36,360
Speaker 2: religion is telling you. That is utterly absurd and discussion,

908
00:45:36,360 --> 00:45:39,960
Speaker 2: but it's also still counter to any basic sense of morality.

909
00:45:40,000 --> 00:45:42,359
Speaker 1: It's also so inarguable because if they're fighting, I mean,

910
00:45:42,360 --> 00:45:44,080
Speaker 1: people have always made this term. But it's like, if

911
00:45:44,080 --> 00:45:46,160
Speaker 1: you fight God's war, then nothing is out of the court.

912
00:45:46,200 --> 00:45:46,480
Speaker 1: Of course.

913
00:45:46,560 --> 00:45:48,239
Speaker 3: Yeah, that's why they That's what makes it so.

914
00:45:48,120 --> 00:45:50,239
Speaker 1: Too God's war that we're fighting. If Europe is too

915
00:45:50,280 --> 00:45:53,120
Speaker 1: stupid to understand, that's their problem. I will remind you

916
00:45:53,160 --> 00:45:55,960
Speaker 1: that's where Hitler was born. It's like these where does

917
00:45:56,000 --> 00:45:58,920
Speaker 1: this shit come? You know? And uh, look, that is

918
00:45:58,960 --> 00:46:02,839
Speaker 1: the perfect view into a Republican support for Israel. You know,

919
00:46:03,040 --> 00:46:06,719
Speaker 1: a quasi you know, either pre diabetic or diabetic man

920
00:46:06,800 --> 00:46:09,719
Speaker 1: who could barely breathe whenever he's giving his speech in

921
00:46:09,760 --> 00:46:13,880
Speaker 1: front of a bunch of evangelical boomers, you know, who

922
00:46:13,880 --> 00:46:17,200
Speaker 1: have been, like I guess, brainwashed into the specific type

923
00:46:17,200 --> 00:46:22,200
Speaker 1: of Christian dispensationalism for support of the political state of Israel. Look,

924
00:46:22,200 --> 00:46:24,080
Speaker 1: I'm not Christian. It's not my job to sit here

925
00:46:24,080 --> 00:46:29,400
Speaker 1: and to you know, to litigate these the intra Christians debates.

926
00:46:29,960 --> 00:46:31,000
Speaker 3: It's a human with a view.

927
00:46:31,120 --> 00:46:32,880
Speaker 1: Yeah, that's what I'm just like. I mean, it seems

928
00:46:32,880 --> 00:46:34,600
Speaker 1: pretty crazy to me, but you know, it's not my

929
00:46:34,920 --> 00:46:37,600
Speaker 1: not my beef, but it's just one of those where

930
00:46:38,239 --> 00:46:40,680
Speaker 1: I just feel that you can't help but look at

931
00:46:40,680 --> 00:46:44,480
Speaker 1: that and see the psychopathy of what it takes at

932
00:46:44,480 --> 00:46:47,879
Speaker 1: this point to be so rapidly pro Israel. That's who

933
00:46:47,880 --> 00:46:50,279
Speaker 1: they are. They look down on you, by the way, completely,

934
00:46:50,640 --> 00:46:53,839
Speaker 1: you know, and they have nothing but contempt. Unfortunately. Yeah,

935
00:46:54,040 --> 00:46:54,839
Speaker 1: you know, for all of us.

936
00:46:54,840 --> 00:46:57,160
Speaker 2: It used to be the right that was more aggressive

937
00:46:57,160 --> 00:46:59,680
Speaker 2: in the like you know, you should be actually judgmental

938
00:46:59,800 --> 00:47:03,719
Speaker 2: of extremist religious views, and the left that was more

939
00:47:03,800 --> 00:47:05,000
Speaker 2: like morally relativist.

940
00:47:05,440 --> 00:47:09,280
Speaker 1: I mean, I still think that's true on Islam, but anyway, yeah.

941
00:47:09,239 --> 00:47:10,840
Speaker 3: Yeah, no you should.

942
00:47:10,880 --> 00:47:14,359
Speaker 2: I think if you your religious belief is leading you

943
00:47:14,400 --> 00:47:17,359
Speaker 2: to support horrors that are morally atrocious, yes, I think

944
00:47:17,360 --> 00:47:20,040
Speaker 2: that should be subject to judgment. I think if for society,

945
00:47:20,080 --> 00:47:22,080
Speaker 2: I think that should be absolutely subject to.

946
00:47:22,120 --> 00:47:24,400
Speaker 1: You're talking to an og Richard Knawkins.

947
00:47:24,400 --> 00:47:24,560
Speaker 7: Guy.

948
00:47:24,560 --> 00:47:27,640
Speaker 1: All right, I've been up from day one, but I

949
00:47:27,719 --> 00:47:30,319
Speaker 1: did come to find that it does turn you into

950
00:47:30,360 --> 00:47:32,440
Speaker 1: a little bit of a debate, bro and a little

951
00:47:32,440 --> 00:47:35,919
Speaker 1: bit you know, it doesn't accomplish necessarily the goal.

952
00:47:36,040 --> 00:47:37,360
Speaker 3: I don't know that we may need.

953
00:47:37,200 --> 00:47:38,839
Speaker 2: To bring it, but yeah, may we need to let

954
00:47:38,840 --> 00:47:40,360
Speaker 2: me just one more piece here. We'll not have an

955
00:47:40,400 --> 00:47:42,080
Speaker 2: element for it, but it fits in with the Mark

956
00:47:42,120 --> 00:47:44,000
Speaker 2: Levin piece, and it's very important. I don't know if

957
00:47:44,000 --> 00:47:46,800
Speaker 2: you guys remember there was a judge at the International

958
00:47:46,880 --> 00:47:48,680
Speaker 2: Court of justin Of course, they're the ones hearing South

959
00:47:48,719 --> 00:47:51,319
Speaker 2: Africa's claim along with others who have not joined the case,

960
00:47:51,320 --> 00:47:54,719
Speaker 2: that Israel is committing genocide. And there was one judge there,

961
00:47:54,800 --> 00:47:58,279
Speaker 2: the Ugandan Vice President of the ICJ, who would put

962
00:47:58,280 --> 00:48:01,719
Speaker 2: out a dissenting opinion that was just pure Israeli hasbara

963
00:48:01,840 --> 00:48:03,319
Speaker 2: and it was I mean, it sounded like it was

964
00:48:03,360 --> 00:48:05,600
Speaker 2: literally written and it may have been by the Israeli

965
00:48:05,560 --> 00:48:08,279
Speaker 2: simce like, what is going on with this lady. Well,

966
00:48:08,320 --> 00:48:11,440
Speaker 2: now she has come out sager and said that quote,

967
00:48:11,680 --> 00:48:15,200
Speaker 2: God is counting on me to stand on the side

968
00:48:15,320 --> 00:48:18,319
Speaker 2: of Israel, that the signs of the end times are

969
00:48:18,400 --> 00:48:22,319
Speaker 2: being shown in the Middle East right now. So now

970
00:48:22,320 --> 00:48:26,600
Speaker 2: we understand why she was so out of step with

971
00:48:26,840 --> 00:48:28,920
Speaker 2: all of the rest of the including the American one.

972
00:48:28,920 --> 00:48:29,719
Speaker 3: By the way, all of.

973
00:48:29,680 --> 00:48:31,960
Speaker 2: The rest of the judges at the ICJ, in this

974
00:48:32,040 --> 00:48:36,160
Speaker 2: dissenting opinion, she is not evaluating facts. She is, you know,

975
00:48:36,360 --> 00:48:39,880
Speaker 2: coming from this place of religious extremism, and you know

976
00:48:39,960 --> 00:48:41,840
Speaker 2: her view that the end times are nigh, and so

977
00:48:41,960 --> 00:48:43,440
Speaker 2: she has to do whatever she can.

978
00:48:43,360 --> 00:48:44,880
Speaker 3: To back up Israel no matter what.

979
00:48:45,160 --> 00:48:49,480
Speaker 2: So you know, not only are the consequences here domestically

980
00:48:49,480 --> 00:48:52,000
Speaker 2: in the US, but the consequences of these viewpoints are

981
00:48:52,120 --> 00:48:53,120
Speaker 2: global as well.

982
00:48:53,320 --> 00:48:55,600
Speaker 1: Yep, absolutely, very well said. All right, let's get to

983
00:48:55,600 --> 00:49:00,000
Speaker 1: the economy. We've talked a lot here on the show

984
00:49:00,080 --> 00:49:04,000
Speaker 1: show about inflation, about tariffs and what the overall effect

985
00:49:04,040 --> 00:49:05,480
Speaker 1: will be, but one of the things that we may

986
00:49:05,520 --> 00:49:08,279
Speaker 1: have discounted is gre inflation. You will remember there was

987
00:49:08,320 --> 00:49:11,840
Speaker 1: a huge debate about the sources of inflation back in

988
00:49:11,880 --> 00:49:15,160
Speaker 1: the day, from twenty twenty one onwards, as to whether

989
00:49:15,200 --> 00:49:18,600
Speaker 1: it was corporations raising prices, inputs prices going up. It

990
00:49:18,680 --> 00:49:20,799
Speaker 1: turned out to be a part of both. But part

991
00:49:20,800 --> 00:49:23,080
Speaker 1: of the reason why the stock market actually did quite

992
00:49:23,120 --> 00:49:25,759
Speaker 1: well during the Biden years despite horrible inflation was that

993
00:49:25,840 --> 00:49:28,960
Speaker 1: corporate profits were be able to be maintained. How do

994
00:49:29,000 --> 00:49:31,200
Speaker 1: you do that exactly, Well, you eat some of the costs,

995
00:49:31,200 --> 00:49:32,960
Speaker 1: but you pass some of it all and also to

996
00:49:33,000 --> 00:49:35,040
Speaker 1: the consumer, and so we are seeing some of that

997
00:49:35,280 --> 00:49:37,279
Speaker 1: with tariffs as well. Let's take a listen to this

998
00:49:37,320 --> 00:49:38,280
Speaker 1: report from CNBC.

999
00:49:38,760 --> 00:49:42,560
Speaker 5: I don't quite understand why the government is saying that

1000
00:49:42,840 --> 00:49:47,279
Speaker 5: profit margins increased when we're not seeing the essentially a

1001
00:49:47,320 --> 00:49:51,960
Speaker 5: lot of inflation in the consumer prices, but we're seeing

1002
00:49:51,960 --> 00:49:55,400
Speaker 5: prices higher on the wholesale prices that should compress margins.

1003
00:49:55,440 --> 00:49:57,239
Speaker 5: And we've had a whole bunch of companies come on

1004
00:49:57,320 --> 00:49:59,960
Speaker 5: and say we're taking big hits because of these tariffs,

1005
00:50:00,120 --> 00:50:02,600
Speaker 5: so this number should be going the other way. I'm

1006
00:50:02,600 --> 00:50:03,919
Speaker 5: not sure what's happening here.

1007
00:50:04,160 --> 00:50:06,880
Speaker 10: I'm actually not surprised that we didn't see compression of

1008
00:50:06,920 --> 00:50:11,320
Speaker 10: corporate profits. That's something that's characterized the inflationary period since

1009
00:50:11,440 --> 00:50:15,560
Speaker 10: the beginning of the pandemic, that corporations are actually able

1010
00:50:15,600 --> 00:50:19,520
Speaker 10: to protect their profit margins and actually even increase their

1011
00:50:19,560 --> 00:50:24,280
Speaker 10: profit margins at times using inflation and uncertainty as cover

1012
00:50:24,800 --> 00:50:27,879
Speaker 10: for price hikes even if their costs aren't going up.

1013
00:50:28,040 --> 00:50:29,719
Speaker 10: And so one of the things we're going to be

1014
00:50:29,800 --> 00:50:33,960
Speaker 10: looking for in the CPI, as consumer prices are starting

1015
00:50:33,960 --> 00:50:38,520
Speaker 10: to rise, is our corporations actually taking hits or are

1016
00:50:38,520 --> 00:50:42,600
Speaker 10: they able to use this moment of supply constraint created

1017
00:50:42,640 --> 00:50:47,120
Speaker 10: by tariffs and uncertainty created by the Trump administration to

1018
00:50:47,160 --> 00:50:51,040
Speaker 10: pass on higher prices even above their increased costs.

1019
00:50:52,480 --> 00:50:54,640
Speaker 1: All right, So there it is straight from CNBC. You know,

1020
00:50:54,640 --> 00:50:56,480
Speaker 1: they were killing themselves for that one because they hated

1021
00:50:56,480 --> 00:50:59,240
Speaker 1: gre inflation narratives back in twenty twenty one, in twenty

1022
00:50:59,239 --> 00:51:02,080
Speaker 1: twenty two. But what it does generally fit with the

1023
00:51:02,120 --> 00:51:05,439
Speaker 1: pattern of is that the companies are broadly okay right now.

1024
00:51:05,480 --> 00:51:07,480
Speaker 1: And you know that's one of the things I've emphasized

1025
00:51:07,520 --> 00:51:09,719
Speaker 1: about this tariff policy. If the tariffs were working, then

1026
00:51:09,760 --> 00:51:11,480
Speaker 1: the S and P should be down by twenty percent

1027
00:51:11,719 --> 00:51:15,000
Speaker 1: because if a company had to actually increase its costs

1028
00:51:15,200 --> 00:51:18,000
Speaker 1: capex costs here in the US, why would their stock

1029
00:51:18,080 --> 00:51:20,440
Speaker 1: go up? You know, it'd be like, Okay, well, we

1030
00:51:20,520 --> 00:51:23,640
Speaker 1: have to massively eat all of this new policy. The

1031
00:51:23,680 --> 00:51:25,799
Speaker 1: only way to offset that would be a shit ton

1032
00:51:25,840 --> 00:51:28,920
Speaker 1: of federal dollars or a tax break. Not happening because

1033
00:51:28,920 --> 00:51:31,160
Speaker 1: I can read what the tax code is, and that's

1034
00:51:31,160 --> 00:51:33,160
Speaker 1: why the S and p. Five hundred is doing pretty

1035
00:51:33,160 --> 00:51:35,320
Speaker 1: well now. One of the ways that they're doing well

1036
00:51:35,560 --> 00:51:38,800
Speaker 1: is basically this like weird pay for play system inside

1037
00:51:38,800 --> 00:51:40,279
Speaker 1: of the White House. Let's go and put this up

1038
00:51:40,280 --> 00:51:43,200
Speaker 1: there on the screen. The West Wing has now apparently

1039
00:51:43,239 --> 00:51:47,040
Speaker 1: created a loyalty scorecard for five hundred and fifty three

1040
00:51:47,040 --> 00:51:49,840
Speaker 1: companies in trade associations on how hard they work to

1041
00:51:49,920 --> 00:51:55,560
Speaker 1: support and promote President Trump. So Trump currently the unusual

1042
00:51:55,600 --> 00:52:00,319
Speaker 1: spreadsheet fits the administration's proclivity for micromanaging and mini string

1043
00:52:00,400 --> 00:52:03,839
Speaker 1: loyalty tests. Factors in the rating include social media posts,

1044
00:52:03,920 --> 00:52:08,600
Speaker 1: press releases, video testimonials, adds tendance, adds, attendance to the

1045
00:52:08,640 --> 00:52:12,200
Speaker 1: White House, and other engagement related to OB three, the

1046
00:52:12,320 --> 00:52:15,920
Speaker 1: One Big Beautiful Bill. The organization's support is then ranked

1047
00:52:15,920 --> 00:52:20,360
Speaker 1: as strong, moderate, or low. Examples of good partners include Uber,

1048
00:52:20,520 --> 00:52:25,160
Speaker 1: door Dash, United, Delta, AT and T, Cisco Airlines for America,

1049
00:52:25,200 --> 00:52:30,880
Speaker 1: and the Steel Manufacturers Association. Apparently other companies you know

1050
00:52:30,960 --> 00:52:34,160
Speaker 1: have not you know, been able to rate on the list.

1051
00:52:34,320 --> 00:52:36,560
Speaker 1: One of the ways that you do is to cheer

1052
00:52:36,600 --> 00:52:39,280
Speaker 1: on things like no tax on tips if you're Uber

1053
00:52:39,880 --> 00:52:43,799
Speaker 1: or being a door Dash person who is promoting some

1054
00:52:43,960 --> 00:52:47,920
Speaker 1: of the policy but this gets to the heart of

1055
00:52:47,960 --> 00:52:50,000
Speaker 1: that Nvidia deal. I'm not. I think I covered it

1056
00:52:50,000 --> 00:52:53,520
Speaker 1: with Emily, which is still so crazy. It's like, yeah,

1057
00:52:53,560 --> 00:52:55,360
Speaker 1: you can do business in China, but you have to

1058
00:52:55,440 --> 00:52:59,040
Speaker 1: literally pay us a cut of the profit. Nothing to

1059
00:52:59,040 --> 00:53:02,040
Speaker 1: do with strategy, nothing to do with anything. And again,

1060
00:53:02,320 --> 00:53:04,600
Speaker 1: there are plenty of good arguments for letting Nvidia send

1061
00:53:04,600 --> 00:53:06,919
Speaker 1: the H twenty. I went through all of them during

1062
00:53:06,920 --> 00:53:09,600
Speaker 1: the segment. US getting a quote cut of it is

1063
00:53:09,960 --> 00:53:11,920
Speaker 1: not on the list you know of what that is.

1064
00:53:12,160 --> 00:53:14,160
Speaker 1: Now apparently we're doing the same thing with Intel, which

1065
00:53:14,200 --> 00:53:15,640
Speaker 1: by the way, is a US company, which is even

1066
00:53:15,719 --> 00:53:19,040
Speaker 1: crazier because it's not even about that about the C

1067
00:53:19,200 --> 00:53:24,520
Speaker 1: three please from Intel considering quote buying a steak in Intel.

1068
00:53:25,000 --> 00:53:28,439
Speaker 1: I am not even fundamentally opposed to sovereign well funds.

1069
00:53:28,520 --> 00:53:31,120
Speaker 1: I don't think they're always a bad idea as long

1070
00:53:31,160 --> 00:53:34,759
Speaker 1: as they're actually, you know, done properly or any of that.

1071
00:53:34,760 --> 00:53:37,239
Speaker 1: That's not what's happening here, that's right, And that's the

1072
00:53:37,360 --> 00:53:39,759
Speaker 1: opposition that I have to so much of this. If

1073
00:53:39,760 --> 00:53:42,160
Speaker 1: we want to have a full on strategy the way

1074
00:53:42,160 --> 00:53:44,279
Speaker 1: that China does it, where they have stakes and they

1075
00:53:44,280 --> 00:53:47,280
Speaker 1: control things for the overall national interest which is actually

1076
00:53:47,320 --> 00:53:50,280
Speaker 1: benefiting the people as a track record, I'm all in, okay,

1077
00:53:50,360 --> 00:53:52,680
Speaker 1: but this is not what we're seeing right now, which

1078
00:53:52,760 --> 00:53:57,200
Speaker 1: is basically like some loyalty fealty thing to Donald Trump,

1079
00:53:57,360 --> 00:54:00,000
Speaker 1: you know, so we can get a solid bar of gold,

1080
00:54:00,080 --> 00:54:01,239
Speaker 1: which I'm still not over that.

1081
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Speaker 3: We should never be over that.

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Speaker 1: Pretty wild here's your literally, Yeah, it's like you know

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Speaker 1: when Amazon, when Amazon explorers would go into the jungle,

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00:54:14,120 --> 00:54:17,440
Speaker 1: they would come with beads and other things to exchange

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Speaker 1: for goods. It's like, that's a primitive that is to

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Speaker 1: present the leader with the bar of gold to the chieftain.

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Speaker 2: That's why the loyalty score story and the intel stake

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00:54:28,440 --> 00:54:32,719
Speaker 2: story tied together so importantly, because it would be one

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Speaker 2: thing if yeah, if you were pursuing something like, you know,

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Speaker 2: a China policy which is very long term driven and

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Speaker 2: very much in the interests of, hey, what do we

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00:54:41,000 --> 00:54:43,640
Speaker 2: want life to be like in China for Chinese?

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Speaker 3: What do we want to invest in?

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Speaker 2: What are the industries of the future, like this very

1095
00:54:48,320 --> 00:54:53,440
Speaker 2: intentional strategy that instead what we have here is just

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Speaker 2: did you tweet.

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Speaker 3: About the one big beautiful bill?

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Speaker 2: You know, did you show up with your bar of

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00:54:59,680 --> 00:55:03,440
Speaker 2: goal at the White House, Like how slavish and devoted

1100
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Speaker 2: have you been to the person of Donald Trump. Oh okay,

1101
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Speaker 2: then we're going to look upon you favorably. And if not,

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Speaker 2: then not. So all of these, like all of this

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Speaker 2: involvement in the economy, which yes, if done a.

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Speaker 3: Different way, I would support too.

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Speaker 2: And in fact, I'm hoping that some you know candidate

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Speaker 2: on the left picks up this road that has been

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Speaker 2: mapped up by Trump and does it in an actually

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00:55:24,600 --> 00:55:28,280
Speaker 2: intelligent way to actually, you know, benefit the manufacturing economy

1109
00:55:28,320 --> 00:55:31,080
Speaker 2: here and benefit you know, jobs and wages and all

1110
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Speaker 2: those sorts of things, and invest in critical industries and

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Speaker 2: industries of the future. But no, this is not that.

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Speaker 2: This is about just you know, what's going to be

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Speaker 2: good for Trump. Who paid the best tribute, who had

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00:55:42,920 --> 00:55:45,239
Speaker 2: the best gold bars in the Oval office? You know

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00:55:45,400 --> 00:55:48,960
Speaker 2: the door Dash example they had. They had a delivery

1116
00:55:49,040 --> 00:55:51,760
Speaker 2: driver who wore a red door Dash Mom T shirt

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00:55:51,760 --> 00:55:54,160
Speaker 2: as she stood behind Trump at a White House event

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Speaker 2: promoting no tax on tips, also in a Fox News

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Speaker 2: digital interview. And that's what earned them their great loyalty score.

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Speaker 2: Now they'll be able to reap the benefits of that.

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Speaker 2: It's also why Wall Street hasn't been not upset about

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00:56:06,360 --> 00:56:08,920
Speaker 2: the teriffs, because they know that they have the money

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Speaker 2: to be able to get in those rooms, and they

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Speaker 2: know how to you know, work is go Massage's ego

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Speaker 2: and be able to get whatever they want.

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Speaker 1: I actually read a fascinating analysis which is that economists

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Speaker 1: have undercounted the actual tear. Part of the reason why

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Speaker 1: you know, people are shocked right now but the S

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Speaker 1: and P and everything, yeah, is because the official tariff

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Speaker 1: rate is like fifteen percent or whatever on average. But

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Speaker 1: what the peace dug into is that economists took the

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Speaker 1: government to literally, as in, they took it for what

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Speaker 1: it is and thought it was being applied across the board.

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Speaker 1: That's not what actually they're paying. If you look at

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Speaker 1: the corporate profit and the reported costs of tariffs, it

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Speaker 1: doesn't line up with the government figures, and the actual

1137
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Speaker 1: tariff rate is much lower, indicating a ton of exclusions

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Speaker 1: which are not public which it turns out that the

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Speaker 1: Fortune five hundred is probably paying about half of what

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Speaker 1: the government actually says they are paying. And that is

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Speaker 1: the only only thing that you can possibly reconcile the

1142
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Speaker 1: profit numbers and where things are today, the lack of effect,

1143
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Speaker 1: and then the government published number. There's no other way

1144
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Speaker 1: to do it, and it was a long like more

1145
00:57:10,719 --> 00:57:15,839
Speaker 1: economic analysis, but translating it to others is basically saying like, yeah,

1146
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Speaker 1: you know, what they say they're charging is not what

1147
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Speaker 1: they actually are because there's all these corporate exclusions that

1148
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Speaker 1: are being cut at the fortune five hundred level that

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Speaker 1: you and I know nothing about. But this is all

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Speaker 1: deeply legalistic. You know, it's all with the Commerce Department,

1151
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Speaker 1: et cetera. But it results in the fact that the

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Speaker 1: tariff being paid are actually much lower than they say,

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Speaker 1: so it makes you know, that's.

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Speaker 3: Again using this loyalty.

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Speaker 1: That's what I'm saying, right, and that's why I think

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00:57:41,320 --> 00:57:44,320
Speaker 1: it's very important, you know, for for actually understanding some

1157
00:57:44,400 --> 00:57:46,080
Speaker 1: of this, and that actually gets to the Scott beston

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Speaker 1: point with a very extraordinary comment about Sovereign Wealth Fund.

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Speaker 6: Let's say, go listen, we have these agreements in place

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Speaker 6: where the Japanese, the Koreans, and to some extent the

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Speaker 6: Europeans will invest in companies and industries that we direct them,

1162
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Speaker 6: largely at the president's discretion.

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Speaker 1: And how does that work?

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Speaker 11: I mean, it's almost like an offshore appropriation. I'm not

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Speaker 11: sure we've ever had anything like that in the States before.

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Speaker 11: Have you consulted with I don't know, the Santa Finance Committee,

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Speaker 11: or the House Ways and Needs Committee or what.

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Speaker 6: Well, Larry, I think a good framing of that is

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Speaker 6: other countries, in essence, are providing us with a sovereign

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Speaker 6: wealth fund.

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Speaker 11: They're going to build our factories. They're going to help

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Speaker 11: us to build new factories, which mister Trump loves exactly.

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Speaker 6: So the way to think about it is these huge

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Speaker 6: surpluses accumulated offshore, let's sake, Japan, We're going to have

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Speaker 6: five hundred and fifty billion, and they will be reinvesting

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Speaker 6: that back into the US economy, and we will be

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Speaker 6: able to direct them as we reshore these critical industries.

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Speaker 1: Okay, So translating that a little bit and our friend

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Speaker 1: are no, you know, put it this way. Quote, This is,

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Speaker 1: without exaggerating, one of the most extraordinary things the Treasury

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Speaker 1: sector has said. He says. What he is saying is

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Speaker 1: that the US will now treat US allies wealth as

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Speaker 1: an American sovereign wealth fund and direct them, at the

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Speaker 1: President's discretion, how to use their money in order to

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Speaker 1: build American factories and reshore American industries, as even Larry

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Speaker 1: Kudlow says, he's like what he's like, have you run

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Speaker 1: by this by the Senate? Yeah, or any of that.

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Speaker 1: I mean, are no, and I probably have more of

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Speaker 1: a difference, But because I think, you know, in terms

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Speaker 1: of our trading relationship or other I don't really see

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Speaker 1: the point of being an empire if you're not going to,

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Speaker 1: you know, tell your imperial outposts how exactly to pay

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Speaker 1: their tribute. I would say that's part of the problem

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Speaker 1: with the global American empire right now in terms of

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Speaker 1: who's benefiting from it or not. But the overall problem

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Speaker 1: I really have with the way that this is all

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Speaker 1: being done is that it's stupid and it's not really

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Speaker 1: to the benefit of anyone. Because if you take like

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Speaker 1: the Norwegian Sovereign Wealth Fund, or frankly even the Saudi one,

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Speaker 1: or are many of these others, they have been to

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Speaker 1: the tremendous benefit of their actual countries and of the

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Speaker 1: people who participate. There's a lot of democratic input. I'm

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Speaker 1: not sure if you saw it. They just divested from

1204
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Speaker 1: Israel as well more recently, which is a huge deal

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Speaker 1: just because one of the largest sovereign wealth funds in

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Speaker 1: the world. But the point is is that it's being

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Speaker 1: actually used and has a lot of democratic input by

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Speaker 1: the people because they see it as a way not

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01:00:21,280 --> 01:00:23,960
Speaker 1: only to ensure their own security, their financial status, etc.

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Speaker 1: But part of the problem for the country we have

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Speaker 1: not had any of that get put on the table.

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Speaker 1: It's being used entirely by the administration and setting a

1213
01:00:32,440 --> 01:00:34,440
Speaker 1: precedent where, you know, if you think about it in

1214
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Speaker 1: the future, if you can just have this discretionary funding

1215
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Speaker 1: completely available, then President Biden or President Newsome or whoever

1216
01:00:41,520 --> 01:00:43,840
Speaker 1: is going to come next can also use it to

1217
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Speaker 1: their end, which of course people would freak out about,

1218
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Speaker 1: you know, by saying that these are the public dollars

1219
01:00:49,080 --> 01:00:51,440
Speaker 1: within the government treasury. That's what I would say is

1220
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Speaker 1: you're setting it up in such a capricious and a

1221
01:00:53,520 --> 01:00:56,680
Speaker 1: stupid way, not only setting a bad standard going forward,

1222
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Speaker 1: but you're not even accomplishing what you allegedly set out

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Speaker 1: to do.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, no scrutiny, accountability.

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Speaker 2: And we know the way that Donald Trump operates, it's

1226
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Speaker 2: all about, you know, what's going to be good for

1227
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Speaker 2: him and his bottom line, So you know, don't be

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Speaker 2: surprised if that wealth that's supposed to build American factories

1229
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Speaker 2: is going to his shit coin or whatever Trump hotels

1230
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Speaker 2: or some sort of deal that you know benefits him,

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01:01:14,400 --> 01:01:17,520
Speaker 2: or just the you know, to whatever CEO happens to

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Speaker 2: be the most like embarrassing and willing to humiliate themselves

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Speaker 2: and grovel at his feet. So that will be the

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Speaker 2: criteria by which those investments are judged. At the same time,

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Speaker 2: you know, we've got a few different indicators of you know,

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Speaker 2: economic turmoil.

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Speaker 3: You can put this up on the screen.

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Speaker 2: They say the jaws of stagflation are wide open. This

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Speaker 2: is from Bloomberg. You've got employment shrinking, you've got prices

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Speaker 2: paid rising. So you know what stagflation is when you

1241
01:01:44,120 --> 01:01:46,960
Speaker 2: have low growth or no growth or negative growth and

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Speaker 2: you have inflation. And the reason why this is such

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Speaker 2: a terrible thing to happen, I mean, first of all,

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Speaker 2: it just causes a lot of pain. Second of all,

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Speaker 2: it's very difficult to deal with because if you are

1246
01:01:57,800 --> 01:02:00,480
Speaker 2: trying to control the economy using the FED, and you

1247
01:02:00,920 --> 01:02:03,680
Speaker 2: hike interst rates to get the inflation under control, well

1248
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Speaker 2: then you're going to further crush growth. If you lower

1249
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Speaker 2: interest rates to help to trigger growth and deal with unemployment.

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Speaker 3: Well, then you're going to get inflation.

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Speaker 2: So that's why stagflation is such an incredible concern. And

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Speaker 2: we can put the next piece up on the screen

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Speaker 2: as well, from Joe Wisenthal. We just got new consumer

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Speaker 2: sentiment numbers. Overall sentiment down, inflation expectations much higher. This

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Speaker 2: comes from University of Michigan. I think this is kind

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Speaker 2: of the pre eminent consumer sentiment index. And it's fallen

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Speaker 2: to fifty eight point six when it was estimated at

1258
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Speaker 2: sixty two and long term inflation expectations rising to three

1259
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Speaker 2: point nine percent when they had been estimated at three

1260
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Speaker 2: point four percent. So and it turns out, Sogera, the

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Speaker 2: public is paying attention to how they're feeling economically and

1262
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Speaker 2: to some of the legislation that has been passed by

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Speaker 2: this administration.

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Speaker 3: This is extraordinary. Put this next chart up on the screen.

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Speaker 3: C seven.

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Speaker 2: Trump's sup with people who are on Medicaid, and of

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Speaker 2: course medicaid, you know, significantly cut by the quote unquote

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Speaker 2: one big beautiful bill has gone from being quite positive

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Speaker 2: to quite negative. So you can see if you track

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Speaker 2: this at the beginning of Trump's term fifty two percent

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Speaker 2: of those on Medicaid approved of Trump, so he was

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Speaker 2: above water fifty two percent and only thirty four percent disapproved.

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Speaker 2: Now it's completely reversed. Now you have fifty five percent

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Speaker 2: of those on Medicaid who disapprove and thirty six percent

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Speaker 2: who approve. This person tweets their his support is down

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Speaker 2: thirty seven points among those who are on Medicaid since

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Speaker 2: his first week in office. So, as Steve Bannon famously said,

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Speaker 2: a lot of mag on medicaids, however.

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Speaker 1: That's exactly I mean, you know, look, we're going to

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Speaker 1: find out some of this stuff. There were a lot

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Speaker 1: of contraindications going into twenty twenty two and more. I'm

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01:03:57,760 --> 01:04:00,760
Speaker 1: really just desperate for the twenty twenty six term data

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01:04:01,000 --> 01:04:03,720
Speaker 1: to see who overperforms and who doesn't, who doesn't come

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Speaker 1: out to vote overall Republican support, and if there are

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Speaker 1: any hidden surprises, because Medicaid right now is the number

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Speaker 1: one thing that you would put your money on a

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Speaker 1: for The backlash is similar to twenty eighteen. There was

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Speaker 1: a lot of crediting of the resistance and stuff in

1289
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Speaker 1: twenty eighteen for the midterms. I guess I wouldn't downplay that,

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Speaker 1: but it really wasn't the driving force. If you talked

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Speaker 1: to many of the Republican candidates, they all said, my

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Speaker 1: vote to repeal Obamacare is what nuked me. Right. That

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Speaker 1: was like the story of the twenty eighteen midterms for

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Speaker 1: a lot of the anti Trump backlash, it kind of

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Speaker 1: came together and a lot of the Republican senators what

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Speaker 1: was her name, McSally, I think that's what it's down

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Speaker 1: in Arizona. She was like me voting on Obamacare, She's like,

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Speaker 1: that's it killed me. She was lost by thirteen points,

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Speaker 1: it was as So my point is just that broadly

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Speaker 1: this could be the sleeper issue. I think it's I

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Speaker 1: think so too. I'd be willing to bet, just given

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Speaker 1: some of the previous just the way that things went

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Speaker 1: with twenty eighteen and with more. I'm still not quite sure.

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Speaker 1: I guess I could. You know, how, what would it

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Speaker 1: take for Trump and the Republicans to declare victory probably

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Speaker 1: be keeping the House, which you know, the gerrymandering and

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Speaker 1: all that doesn't help. But the actual like demographic data

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Speaker 1: on this and the extent to which people are either

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Speaker 1: demoralized or not enthusiastic to come out to vote is

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Speaker 1: going to be a very important story. The Medicaid thing

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Speaker 1: is number one thing to want.

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Speaker 2: The fact they're doing this whole thing with the maps

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Speaker 2: and the census and whatever tells you they think they're No,

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Speaker 2: they're worried. Yeah, they're trying to rig it as best

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Speaker 2: they can to try to, you know, prevent massive losses.

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Speaker 2: Because listen, I mean, if Democrats have the House, Senate

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Speaker 2: is a longer shot. But if they have the House,

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Speaker 2: there are things they can do, right, they will have

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Speaker 2: subpoena power. It will be the end of you know,

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Speaker 2: of a lot of what's going on in the Trump presidency.

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Speaker 2: Although you know, Trump has done a lot with just

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Speaker 2: executive power without even using convers sasman most of what

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Speaker 2: he's done. But you know, I think they're worried about

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Speaker 2: scrutiny over things like the Epstein files. They're worried about

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Speaker 2: scrutiny over all these massed ice agents and other federal

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Speaker 2: agents that you know, who have their identities completely shield.

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Speaker 2: I think there are a lot of questions to you

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Speaker 2: would be revealed about what exactly is going on there

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Speaker 2: and who is doing what within some of these various agencies.

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Speaker 2: So I think they are concerned about that, and that's

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Speaker 2: why they're pulling the fire alarm.