WEBVTT - Episode 99: Nubia 0:00:09.039 --> 0:00:12.400 Hey, hey, Hey, how's it going to another episode of 0:00:12.480 --> 0:00:15.280 Nerdifficent Donia host if you are to wait and sitting 0:00:15.280 --> 0:00:18.240 across from me as always as your other host, Danny Fernandez. 0:00:19.440 --> 0:00:26.640 How you doing, I'm doing good? How How good are 0:00:26.680 --> 0:00:34.400 you doing? I'm doing good? Oh my gosh. Yeah. So 0:00:34.479 --> 0:00:37.800 we're we're we're a week out of Black History Month, 0:00:37.880 --> 0:00:40.280 but we're still we're still we're still keeping it going 0:00:40.280 --> 0:00:43.200 were I feel like we need all the extra weeks. So, 0:00:43.400 --> 0:00:46.160 you know, today we're talking about Nubia, but you know where, 0:00:46.200 --> 0:00:50.479 we're joined by some of our favorite voices in nerd dum, 0:00:50.680 --> 0:00:54.840 some of the strongest voices in nerdo, some of my 0:00:54.960 --> 0:01:00.640 favorite people just in general. And one of these people 0:01:01.240 --> 0:01:11.520 our producer, officially new producer Joel Monique doing good be 0:01:11.600 --> 0:01:14.880 with you guys, yes, who did all this Newbia research 0:01:14.959 --> 0:01:20.280 for us, and also our wonder Woman Queen Tomorrow Brooks. Hello, Hello, 0:01:20.319 --> 0:01:22.640 how are you doing. I'm I'm doing well. I'm I'm 0:01:22.680 --> 0:01:26.560 happy to talk about again more wonder Woman related stuff 0:01:26.680 --> 0:01:30.160 and you know, be in your lovely presence. Well, if 0:01:30.200 --> 0:01:33.160 you haven't listened to our Wonder Woman episode, definitely listened 0:01:33.160 --> 0:01:35.520 to it after this because tomorrow just dropped the most 0:01:35.600 --> 0:01:38.720 knowledge We've been on multiple Wonder Woman panels together, and 0:01:38.800 --> 0:01:41.360 I just feel, uh, you also got to go to 0:01:41.360 --> 0:01:44.160 the DC Archives, right I did, and it was like 0:01:44.880 --> 0:01:48.280 really transcendent into experience, even though it's just like a 0:01:48.400 --> 0:01:51.080 library basically, like it's in like our library room, but 0:01:51.160 --> 0:01:56.279 like I got to hold the the like some first 0:01:56.400 --> 0:02:00.440 like original pages from like Superman, and I got to 0:02:00.560 --> 0:02:05.120 see the unfinished um alternate ending from Batman when Jason 0:02:05.160 --> 0:02:08.320 Todd lived and I got yeah, I got to hold 0:02:08.360 --> 0:02:11.080 it in my hand. And then I also saw some 0:02:11.240 --> 0:02:14.000 dope Wonder Woman stuff like this like Rainbow record that 0:02:14.120 --> 0:02:16.919 like no like like three other printing, like there's only 0:02:16.919 --> 0:02:19.280 three available left somewhere else in the world. I saw 0:02:19.320 --> 0:02:21.920 the Bible that they used to write Wonder Woman, like 0:02:21.960 --> 0:02:24.440 there's like the whole guideline things. It was just it 0:02:24.480 --> 0:02:26.640 was it was a lot. They were like, you can 0:02:26.680 --> 0:02:29.720 take more pictures. I'm like, but you don't understand I 0:02:29.880 --> 0:02:33.960 want to take I'm like absorbing all of this into 0:02:34.040 --> 0:02:37.000 all of my situation right now. So well, we normally 0:02:37.040 --> 0:02:40.520 start our show with what we're seeking out about. Um, Joel, 0:02:40.600 --> 0:02:42.840 what are you speaking out about? What am I gaking 0:02:42.919 --> 0:02:47.520 out about I am still I'm sorry for people who 0:02:47.520 --> 0:02:49.600 follow me from podcasts and podcasts, but yes, I'm still 0:02:49.600 --> 0:02:54.919 watching Gray's Anatomy. We have officially hit season fifteen contract 0:02:55.040 --> 0:02:58.080 three times over. It is such a hall. I'm so 0:02:58.160 --> 0:03:01.040 ready to be done and get out of Grace Law Memorial. 0:03:01.320 --> 0:03:04.919 Let's fiddle, my god, I'm determined. I'm of two minds 0:03:04.919 --> 0:03:07.839 for that, with the same brain, which like is both 0:03:07.880 --> 0:03:09.880 the actor brain, because on the one hand, as an actor, 0:03:10.040 --> 0:03:12.160 like stuck to a show for that long, oh my gosh, 0:03:12.200 --> 0:03:15.360 creatively ah, But then as an actor brain, you're like, 0:03:15.440 --> 0:03:19.280 that's a lot of money guaranteed that who you're good? 0:03:19.400 --> 0:03:22.880 You are good. Adia Benson over at SVU just got 0:03:22.880 --> 0:03:27.440 renewed for seasons five, I think, and like she's been 0:03:27.440 --> 0:03:29.799 doing it so long that she is not only getting 0:03:29.880 --> 0:03:33.280 both her regular paycheck but the residual paycheck because they 0:03:33.280 --> 0:03:36.200 are running it. They're they're running it everywhere and get 0:03:36.200 --> 0:03:39.440 that producer paycheck. Yeah, yeah, she's making all the money. 0:03:39.480 --> 0:03:43.520 That show dies when she's done, amazing, and even then 0:03:43.640 --> 0:03:45.760 she probably is good for the rest of her life 0:03:46.280 --> 0:03:48.520 about it that they're running though, if they made iced 0:03:48.560 --> 0:03:51.640 teas Finn the Captain. That would be fascinating and I 0:03:51.680 --> 0:03:54.160 would totally watch that. They won't do that, but I'm 0:03:54.200 --> 0:03:57.000 just saying that I would love it though, fascinating. What 0:03:57.080 --> 0:04:01.560 about you tomorrow? That's an excellent question. I am in 0:04:01.600 --> 0:04:03.880 a position of catching up on a lot of stuff 0:04:03.920 --> 0:04:06.400 because I have a new day gig, and I also 0:04:06.400 --> 0:04:08.000 watch a lot of TV for that, So it's like 0:04:08.080 --> 0:04:09.800 every once in a while, I'm like, I'm just gonna 0:04:09.800 --> 0:04:12.480 watch repeats of Chopped as opposed to love it, you know, 0:04:12.560 --> 0:04:15.240 catching up. So I always loved my cooking shows. UM. 0:04:15.280 --> 0:04:19.320 Another thing that I am obsessed with currently is um 0:04:19.520 --> 0:04:22.800 research because I am a writer and I also I 0:04:22.800 --> 0:04:24.800 am a nerd, and so I've been researching some stuff 0:04:24.839 --> 0:04:27.000 that I'm working on that I can't talk about and 0:04:27.120 --> 0:04:31.960 just falling down these deep, deep research holes and having 0:04:32.040 --> 0:04:35.640 like like hours of like YouTube videos talking about different 0:04:35.680 --> 0:04:39.080 subjects and going down like the Wikipedia trapdoor and just 0:04:39.120 --> 0:04:40.960 all that kind of stuff. So that's kind of what 0:04:41.000 --> 0:04:43.200 I'm into at the moment. And also I am into 0:04:43.240 --> 0:04:47.080 back issues of comics. UM. I've decided that I am 0:04:47.120 --> 0:04:51.280 going to fill out my entire teen Titans comic collection 0:04:51.880 --> 0:04:54.200 and that's going to be a lot of money, but 0:04:54.960 --> 0:04:57.159 dedicated to it because I actually have a lot. So 0:04:57.240 --> 0:04:59.200 happy for you. And it's somebody who just got like 0:04:59.200 --> 0:05:01.920 a regular gig. This is also I'm like ready to go. 0:05:01.960 --> 0:05:03.800 Like when I first got into comics, I maxed out 0:05:03.839 --> 0:05:06.400 my first credit card. Buying comic books became a very 0:05:06.440 --> 0:05:08.920 quick ob session. So I have like all of the 0:05:09.040 --> 0:05:13.200 Crisis on Infinite and Earth. I have uh, the first 0:05:13.279 --> 0:05:17.640 original print run of Sandman, UM all of the Cassandra 0:05:17.720 --> 0:05:20.000 Kanes back Girls. But I was like, I really, uh, 0:05:20.040 --> 0:05:22.359 Teen Titans sounds like something I really want to get into. 0:05:22.520 --> 0:05:24.360 It is a lot of books. I'm going to tell 0:05:24.400 --> 0:05:26.320 you that right now, because that was the first book 0:05:26.320 --> 0:05:30.080 that I started collecting each volume. Yeah, well I already 0:05:30.080 --> 0:05:34.120 have the like the Wolfman run basically almost entirely. Um. 0:05:34.160 --> 0:05:37.560 I did stop at I have all all but one 0:05:37.800 --> 0:05:41.200 um from like the New Teen Titans slash New Titans 0:05:41.200 --> 0:05:43.960 era from like one to like D and four because 0:05:43.960 --> 0:05:45.760 then the arts changed and I didn't like the art, 0:05:45.800 --> 0:05:48.200 so I can understand. Um, going back reading all the 0:05:48.200 --> 0:05:50.080 wonder Boman comics, I was like, look at how much 0:05:50.240 --> 0:05:54.080 changes over time. It's crazy. So yeah, So but I 0:05:54.080 --> 0:05:56.440 also had some of like the original Teen Titans runs 0:05:56.480 --> 0:05:58.919 from the sixties, because I was going to the same 0:05:59.040 --> 0:06:01.000 used but store when I was a kid and just 0:06:01.040 --> 0:06:03.039 buying whatever. So now I'm like kind of like filling 0:06:03.080 --> 0:06:05.039 that part out. And then I have I think the 0:06:05.040 --> 0:06:06.240 Tales of the Tea Times. I think I have all 0:06:06.320 --> 0:06:07.760 those already, so I just have to kind of go 0:06:07.800 --> 0:06:10.599 back and refresh what I'm missing. So it's surprisingly not 0:06:10.920 --> 0:06:13.760 that much that I have to catch this, but they're 0:06:13.760 --> 0:06:16.560 going to be like twenty dollars a pop at this point. 0:06:17.360 --> 0:06:22.560 Question for you, Yes, how do you archive your books? Um? 0:06:22.600 --> 0:06:24.680 I am going through a process of re archiving. I 0:06:24.720 --> 0:06:27.720 currently just have the long boxes like everybody has, UM, 0:06:27.800 --> 0:06:32.280 but I do have a plastic, more waterproof one because um, 0:06:32.680 --> 0:06:35.560 the first three books I collected was Teen Titans, Generation 0:06:35.760 --> 0:06:42.279 X and UM New Warriors, and several water uh things 0:06:42.360 --> 0:06:46.120 happened like there's a burst pipe, there's like an electrical fire, 0:06:46.720 --> 0:06:50.280 and it just demolished my collection. So I'm very sadly 0:06:50.279 --> 0:06:52.160 I don't I don't have any of my gen Xes anymore, 0:06:52.160 --> 0:06:53.760 and I don't have any of my New Warriors anymore. 0:06:54.120 --> 0:06:56.279 It's my feelings. So the ones that I'm really really 0:06:56.320 --> 0:07:00.280 emotionally attached to are in a plastic bit now couple 0:07:00.320 --> 0:07:03.760 of my like autographed ones. Nice. Yeah. Yeah, I have 0:07:03.839 --> 0:07:07.520 to reorganize everything in my room because it went from 0:07:07.560 --> 0:07:10.840 like now I have it. Everything is getting cramped up 0:07:10.880 --> 0:07:15.120 now that I'm really in the Gundham's now so too 0:07:15.120 --> 0:07:17.480 many figures. So I'm gonna get like a glass like 0:07:17.800 --> 0:07:20.040 especially because my buddy Roe com who you've heard on 0:07:20.080 --> 0:07:22.280 the Pot, has been doing a lot of sofoobie toys, 0:07:22.560 --> 0:07:24.840 so I have like he just recently did a co 0:07:25.200 --> 0:07:28.880 collab with Tom Neely, who does the indie comic Henry 0:07:28.880 --> 0:07:32.120 and Glenn Forever, which is a comic where Henry Rawlins 0:07:32.160 --> 0:07:36.440 and Glenn Danzigger in a beautiful marriage and it's all 0:07:36.480 --> 0:07:39.400 they're like regular day to day trials and tribulations as 0:07:39.600 --> 0:07:41.760 essentially the Gods of Metal. But he did a co 0:07:41.920 --> 0:07:45.920 lab of those characters as Astro Boy, and so it's 0:07:45.920 --> 0:07:48.960 like it's like so many layers, but it's so cool 0:07:49.040 --> 0:07:52.040 because then on top of that, because I kick started, 0:07:52.120 --> 0:07:55.360 I got the bonus one off painting where it's painted 0:07:55.360 --> 0:07:59.640 in the style of Wolverine and Colossus, So there are 0:08:00.200 --> 0:08:03.120 multiple layers. But it's like cramped right next to my deco, 0:08:03.120 --> 0:08:06.240 who's like yeah, and then next to his death jaguar. 0:08:06.320 --> 0:08:08.320 So I'm like, okay, it's time to adult up and 0:08:08.360 --> 0:08:14.040 put my toys in a nice glass. Yeah. I love representation. 0:08:14.240 --> 0:08:16.320 Oh yeah. But for me, what I've been nerding out 0:08:16.360 --> 0:08:18.560 about is I've been slowly but surely. I also have 0:08:18.680 --> 0:08:22.880 been having a pretty packed schedule, just both working on 0:08:23.520 --> 0:08:26.000 The Great Debate and now I can talk about I 0:08:26.040 --> 0:08:27.800 don't know if I said it on show sci Fi 0:08:27.920 --> 0:08:30.120 is going to take The Great Debate show which Danny 0:08:30.160 --> 0:08:32.679 has been in at many comic cons, and they're putting 0:08:32.679 --> 0:08:35.800 it on television. So I've been writing on that and 0:08:35.840 --> 0:08:38.679 then at night doing my late night show, Super Punch. 0:08:38.800 --> 0:08:42.240 So it's been My house has been tragic, and I've 0:08:42.280 --> 0:08:46.200 been trying to still like watch things. And I thought, okay, 0:08:46.360 --> 0:08:48.120 it's been hard to keep up with, you know, seasonal 0:08:48.160 --> 0:08:51.480 animes and stuff. Maybe I'll just sit down and watch Redline, 0:08:51.480 --> 0:08:54.120 which I missed. Which Redline is this anime done by 0:08:54.160 --> 0:08:57.680 Madhouse if you're familiar with the studio, and it was 0:08:57.760 --> 0:09:01.680 back in like two thousand, like seven nine, I think, 0:09:02.080 --> 0:09:06.240 and the art in it is so intense because it 0:09:06.360 --> 0:09:10.000 was hand drawn each frame and it almost made the 0:09:10.040 --> 0:09:12.920 company go bankrupt because it took so long to make. 0:09:13.440 --> 0:09:16.760 But it is gorgeous and it's in blu ray and 0:09:16.800 --> 0:09:20.280 it's crisp. And but I because I just don't have 0:09:20.320 --> 0:09:22.160 any time, I always get too sleepy. So I've been 0:09:22.200 --> 0:09:24.960 watching it in chucks, but I think I'm gonna go 0:09:25.280 --> 0:09:27.800 watch it in full sometime this weekend. What are you 0:09:28.120 --> 0:09:30.199 gigging out about, Danny? Well, last night I got to 0:09:30.240 --> 0:09:35.400 go to the National Hispanic Media Coalition Impact Awards and 0:09:35.640 --> 0:09:39.280 that was fantastic. I feel like it's what my soul needed. Um. One, 0:09:39.400 --> 0:09:42.240 everyone was hot as hell. I was like, wow, we 0:09:42.280 --> 0:09:46.080 are such a hot people. It was like packed and 0:09:46.120 --> 0:09:49.200 everybody was just like dressed to the nines and it 0:09:49.280 --> 0:09:51.840 was just great. You know, America Ferrero was honored. She 0:09:52.200 --> 0:09:56.800 is like such an amazing I want to say motivational 0:09:56.800 --> 0:09:58.439 speakers like what came to mind, But I don't know 0:09:58.440 --> 0:10:00.600 if you've ever watched her give speech, is you know, 0:10:00.640 --> 0:10:03.160 at protests or events and stuff, and she just has 0:10:03.200 --> 0:10:05.640 a way of really being like we're not going to 0:10:05.720 --> 0:10:09.160 put up with this. You know, we're going to fight together. 0:10:09.920 --> 0:10:12.600 Um But so many people that were honored. One of 0:10:12.600 --> 0:10:16.800 them was Danny Garcia, who um, she helped fund seven 0:10:16.840 --> 0:10:21.319 Bucks Productions, which is like, uh, Dwayne the Rock Johnson's 0:10:21.480 --> 0:10:23.120 you might know she was married to him. They have 0:10:23.160 --> 0:10:26.080 a daughter, Simone, and then but she's gone on to 0:10:26.160 --> 0:10:28.200 work on so many things, and they were saying that 0:10:28.200 --> 0:10:31.199 she's actually made billions of dollars for if you look 0:10:31.240 --> 0:10:33.160 at all the revenue of everything she's worked on, and 0:10:33.160 --> 0:10:34.720 it's just like, this is so insane. This is a 0:10:34.760 --> 0:10:39.320 Latina who has made billions of dollars. She is like 0:10:39.520 --> 0:10:42.560 just producing so many things, and like they had a 0:10:42.559 --> 0:10:45.040 clip of it and it was just so inspiring that 0:10:45.120 --> 0:10:48.080 it was like she's worked on so many you know, 0:10:48.480 --> 0:10:50.520 I feel like I'm just repeating myself, but she she 0:10:50.960 --> 0:10:53.880 works on all these blockbusters and like everybody, and she's 0:10:53.880 --> 0:10:55.960 also helping people and bringing people up with her. She 0:10:56.000 --> 0:10:59.840 had Cuban immigrant parents and it's just like wow. And 0:11:00.000 --> 0:11:02.040 there were so many stories like that of like, while 0:11:02.040 --> 0:11:03.959 we're there's so many of us that are really putting 0:11:04.000 --> 0:11:05.520 in the work and it was just great to see 0:11:05.559 --> 0:11:09.760 so many successful Latinos there because it's just a reminder 0:11:09.800 --> 0:11:13.880 of like, wow, like our community really looks out for 0:11:13.880 --> 0:11:15.440 each other and this is what we can do. And 0:11:15.440 --> 0:11:17.280 that was kind of like the theme the whole night 0:11:17.440 --> 0:11:19.920 was like we have to stick together, we have to 0:11:19.960 --> 0:11:22.640 reach back down once we've made it and pull the 0:11:22.679 --> 0:11:26.440 rest of us up. And the cast of Hentified was there, 0:11:26.480 --> 0:11:29.240 which if you haven't watched, it's on Netflix and America 0:11:29.320 --> 0:11:32.880 Frera produced it and it's uh don't my friend Francisco 0:11:32.960 --> 0:11:36.040 Ramos is in it um and it really talks about 0:11:36.679 --> 0:11:41.960 the Chicano experience, which it was fascinating scene um Mexican 0:11:42.400 --> 0:11:44.400 people being like, oh, I didn't resonate with this, and 0:11:44.440 --> 0:11:48.520 I and uh Lalo who did? Uh? The Cassa Grandes 0:11:48.640 --> 0:11:50.840 was like, well, the Chicano experience is not the easiest 0:11:50.840 --> 0:11:53.560 thing to capture, Like it's so mixed for everyone's like 0:11:53.559 --> 0:11:55.560 when did you come over here? What is it like? 0:11:55.559 --> 0:11:58.520 Are your first generation? Second generation? And it's just it's 0:11:58.559 --> 0:12:01.160 such a fascinating conversation and I just ask everyone to, 0:12:01.320 --> 0:12:04.480 you know, be open that we are not monoliths, but 0:12:04.640 --> 0:12:08.160 you don't all have the same experience. That's always the 0:12:08.160 --> 0:12:12.520 the hard convo that uh that kind of goes into 0:12:12.520 --> 0:12:14.880 it because I I love you know, and it all 0:12:14.960 --> 0:12:17.960 comes through just multiple pieces of media, because I feel like, 0:12:18.480 --> 0:12:21.599 you know, right before this kind of like Renaissance and 0:12:21.640 --> 0:12:24.840 black art has happened, that was happening where people would 0:12:24.960 --> 0:12:27.240 nit pick it where it's like, this doesn't fit my experience, 0:12:27.240 --> 0:12:29.600 so this is why. And it's like, well, because everyone's 0:12:29.640 --> 0:12:32.240 isn't the same, why are you asking you know, this 0:12:32.360 --> 0:12:35.400 to perfectly fit into yours and not see what you 0:12:35.480 --> 0:12:40.240 do resonate with? Uh? And that's and so I am 0:12:40.600 --> 0:12:43.200 more than sure as more stuff because even just in 0:12:43.240 --> 0:12:46.280 the past few years, I like how much like Latin 0:12:46.440 --> 0:12:50.520 X content there's been with on my block hnified uh 0:12:50.600 --> 0:12:57.079 you know uh time, you know, even like Jane and 0:12:57.400 --> 0:13:00.559 Jane the Virgin, you know all it's it's just really 0:13:00.600 --> 0:13:03.600 just finally we're starting to break through the doors. And 0:13:03.640 --> 0:13:06.239 you know, me and Danny kind of had a conversation 0:13:06.920 --> 0:13:09.400 akin to this. But things are changing in the sense 0:13:09.520 --> 0:13:13.280 that there was one kind of gatekeeper reprocess before where 0:13:13.320 --> 0:13:16.760 you had to just basically have permission to create, And 0:13:16.800 --> 0:13:19.560 now with the Internet and being able to produce media 0:13:19.679 --> 0:13:25.480 and the the falling prices of like cameras and audio equipment, 0:13:25.520 --> 0:13:28.280 people are now able to shoot and make things and 0:13:28.320 --> 0:13:32.240 get noticed past the gatekeepers, so that there's an execut 0:13:32.240 --> 0:13:34.720 who's like, no, this person, I don't need your inputs. 0:13:34.760 --> 0:13:36.720 Air I like them because I got to see what 0:13:36.760 --> 0:13:39.360 they did, alright. Yeah, and it was America was essentially 0:13:39.360 --> 0:13:41.720 saying like we're no longer going to fight each other 0:13:41.800 --> 0:13:44.920 for one measly piece of the pie. We're gonna bake 0:13:44.920 --> 0:13:47.320 our own cake, and like we're gonna you know, but 0:13:47.400 --> 0:13:49.320 it takes us, you know. It was, it was great. 0:13:49.360 --> 0:13:50.920 It was just super inspired to see people that like 0:13:50.960 --> 0:13:53.679 they're starting their own studios, are starting their own production 0:13:53.720 --> 0:13:56.640 so we can own our art and our work, you know, 0:13:56.760 --> 0:13:58.720 not be working under somebody, so we can tell the 0:13:58.760 --> 0:14:00.960 stories that we want to. And actually Jay Hernandez was 0:14:01.000 --> 0:14:04.800 also honored, and he was like, I'm you know, I'm 0:14:04.840 --> 0:14:08.600 glad that I'm my role is not like as a 0:14:08.720 --> 0:14:11.240 criminal or as like his new role that he's doing 0:14:11.600 --> 0:14:15.760 um or drug dealer or whatever, and so it was 0:14:15.760 --> 0:14:18.559 it was just very inspiring. And I think he's the 0:14:18.600 --> 0:14:22.680 first Latino lead on any show on CBS really that 0:14:22.720 --> 0:14:25.680 makes sense, or at least for like a really long time, 0:14:26.160 --> 0:14:29.240 at least like ten years. Yeah, that's it's wild. I'm 0:14:29.280 --> 0:14:33.440 gonna remove all names from it. So but I remember 0:14:33.480 --> 0:14:35.840 I was pitching a show and we were talking about 0:14:35.840 --> 0:14:38.480 it after they didn't end up getting picked up, and 0:14:39.720 --> 0:14:42.200 I was talking about it with someone and I was like, yeah, 0:14:42.440 --> 0:14:44.240 I remember when we were pitching the meeting and you 0:14:44.280 --> 0:14:46.880 were well into your pitch. It was really good. But 0:14:46.960 --> 0:14:49.680 I was looking up they had all the shows that 0:14:49.720 --> 0:14:52.840 they've greenlit the wall, and he's like, I'm looking around 0:14:53.440 --> 0:14:57.720 and they had no black people, no people of color, 0:14:57.960 --> 0:15:02.960 and I was like, well, I was. I was in 0:15:02.960 --> 0:15:06.080 a punch up room last last year for a CDs 0:15:06.120 --> 0:15:07.920 show and I was not only the only woman, but 0:15:07.960 --> 0:15:10.360 I was the only person of color. Like that is 0:15:10.560 --> 0:15:13.120 yikes on yikes having to speak up on there. And 0:15:13.120 --> 0:15:14.800 then one of the jokes I remember it didn't get 0:15:14.840 --> 0:15:16.920 picked up, so I don't care. One of the jokes 0:15:16.960 --> 0:15:19.080 on there, they had a kid being like, what's lit? 0:15:19.360 --> 0:15:21.200 Fam Like just wanted to visit my squad, and I'm 0:15:21.240 --> 0:15:24.320 like they would never, like how are you doing a 0:15:24.320 --> 0:15:28.480 fellow children? Think I love about this show. This the 0:15:28.480 --> 0:15:31.400 the episodes we've done this much as they all kind 0:15:31.400 --> 0:15:33.520 of leaked back in because this kind of goes back 0:15:33.520 --> 0:15:35.800 into what we're talking about in the Duyne episode when 0:15:35.800 --> 0:15:38.880 you're saying there that Dwayne didn't see authenticity behind it 0:15:39.000 --> 0:15:41.160 like that, and it's things like that, and that's why 0:15:41.320 --> 0:15:43.480 like you are able to be like, now that's not 0:15:43.600 --> 0:15:46.720 what people say. This is something more common and this 0:15:47.080 --> 0:15:49.640 is how that you know it really is like the 0:15:49.680 --> 0:15:53.720 easiest way to prevent coming off Like every time someone's like, yeah, 0:15:54.000 --> 0:15:56.040 this it just this ran hollow, this one on hollidand 0:15:56.080 --> 0:15:57.440 I'm talking about I was like, you know how you 0:15:57.480 --> 0:16:01.880 solve that right? And they're like what higher writers. I also, 0:16:01.960 --> 0:16:04.080 just before we move on, I also just want to 0:16:04.080 --> 0:16:07.080 say it's really fascinating we constantly see people saying like, 0:16:07.160 --> 0:16:09.080 hire the best person for the job, Hire the best 0:16:09.080 --> 0:16:11.640 person for the job. Okay, So if I'm in that room, 0:16:11.680 --> 0:16:13.800 like I've I've sold a show right to HBO Max, 0:16:13.800 --> 0:16:16.120 I'm writing on a Netflix show. I am a writer, 0:16:16.240 --> 0:16:18.920 I'm a successful writer, and and those aren't the only 0:16:18.960 --> 0:16:21.400 things I've written written for Playboy blah blah blah. So 0:16:21.640 --> 0:16:23.800 if I'm in that room and I am the only 0:16:23.800 --> 0:16:25.880 woman and I'm the only person of color, do you 0:16:25.920 --> 0:16:28.080 think that they think that the things that I suggest 0:16:28.200 --> 0:16:32.360 are the best suggestions for the plots, the jokes or whatever. 0:16:32.480 --> 0:16:35.360 They might just not get it. Like I hope that 0:16:35.400 --> 0:16:38.080 people understand that when you're saying like, well it should 0:16:38.080 --> 0:16:40.400 go to the best person, it's like, but who's deciding that? 0:16:40.680 --> 0:16:42.960 And maybe they don't think my jokes are good because 0:16:42.960 --> 0:16:45.920 they don't get it, and they're they're like a decade 0:16:45.920 --> 0:16:48.280 and a half older than me and so, and they're 0:16:48.280 --> 0:16:50.440 outdated in blah blah blah, and it's just like, I'm 0:16:50.440 --> 0:16:55.120 really exhausted by that that I see constantly in the 0:16:55.200 --> 0:16:58.800 mentions whenever directors and other people are speaking up about that. 0:16:59.400 --> 0:17:02.360 Uh so, yeah, they probably thought their jokes were the best, 0:17:02.440 --> 0:17:03.600 and I could tell you they weren't, and the show 0:17:03.640 --> 0:17:06.880 didn't get picked up. So moving on to the Nubia. 0:17:07.920 --> 0:17:11.680 Moving on to Nubia, UM tomorrow, What is actually your 0:17:11.720 --> 0:17:16.000 first introduction to her? Nubia is an interesting thing because, 0:17:16.960 --> 0:17:18.760 as we're going to discover, as we talked about in 0:17:18.760 --> 0:17:22.960 this conversation, she's not used very much, and so I'm 0:17:22.960 --> 0:17:25.959 trying to remember specifically the first time I learned about her. 0:17:26.200 --> 0:17:29.920 I'm pretty sure it was like during my like super 0:17:30.119 --> 0:17:33.480 hyper obsessive research time in high school when I was 0:17:33.520 --> 0:17:38.639 like getting away way deep in the comics, and I 0:17:38.680 --> 0:17:42.920 was like, where, why isn't this character around? More Like, 0:17:43.520 --> 0:17:47.680 I don't understand it's a she's a really interesting character technically, 0:17:47.680 --> 0:17:50.200 I think honestly, the first version of her I ever 0:17:50.240 --> 0:17:53.920 saw was a repeat of that Kathy Lee Crosby Wonder 0:17:53.920 --> 0:17:57.359 Woman movie where they had sort of she's, you know, 0:17:57.480 --> 0:17:59.720 kind of a riff on Nubia a little bit. You know, 0:17:59.840 --> 0:18:02.320 she was lighter skinned, but like she was an Amazon 0:18:02.520 --> 0:18:10.480 that wasn't on the island and then became evil adjacent adversarial, sure, adversarial, 0:18:10.640 --> 0:18:14.160 and so it's that thing where you're just kind of, yeah, 0:18:14.160 --> 0:18:15.960 it's it's a crazy thing. So when I learned about 0:18:15.960 --> 0:18:19.600 her origin, which is basically she is Wonder Woman's twin sister. 0:18:20.359 --> 0:18:24.120 Her mother fashioned two babies out of clay, one light clay, 0:18:24.160 --> 0:18:27.560 one dark clay, and um, you know, brought them both 0:18:27.560 --> 0:18:29.800 a life, and then Aries or Mars as he was 0:18:29.840 --> 0:18:33.399 called back then stole her away because you know, Ari's 0:18:33.400 --> 0:18:35.920 gonna Aries and put her on an island full of 0:18:36.000 --> 0:18:40.080 dudes and had her run that island. Now, in my head, 0:18:40.800 --> 0:18:43.720 that's always stuck with me as the greatest version of 0:18:43.720 --> 0:18:46.880 her origin, because if you think about it, why would 0:18:46.920 --> 0:18:50.800 Hippolitas just have one kid running around the island? Truly, 0:18:50.920 --> 0:18:53.520 Like why wouldn't you have a sister for her? And 0:18:53.560 --> 0:18:56.600 that also kind of runs into the sort of reiterations 0:18:56.600 --> 0:18:58.919 of Donna Troy's origins where they did that whole thing 0:18:58.920 --> 0:19:00.280 where she was like a mirror toy and that got 0:19:00.359 --> 0:19:02.359 kidnapped and all that kind of stuff, which I'm not 0:19:02.440 --> 0:19:05.080 into that origin, but like that, it's a similar thought. 0:19:05.160 --> 0:19:09.560 I think that goes through that. So yeah, just it 0:19:09.640 --> 0:19:10.880 was one of those things where I'm like, oh, that's 0:19:10.880 --> 0:19:13.560 a really cool origin and it's like, oh, she's like 0:19:13.960 --> 0:19:17.240 savage and running around with a bunch of angry dudes 0:19:17.320 --> 0:19:21.000 and difficut of her character, which I think what's interesting 0:19:21.000 --> 0:19:23.480 about Nubia is they're always trying to be less offensive 0:19:23.520 --> 0:19:25.240 and then they just run smack dab into a wall 0:19:25.320 --> 0:19:28.920 of like slightly more offensive and yours. It's frustrating. And 0:19:29.320 --> 0:19:31.919 when you read like the different origins or different aspects 0:19:31.920 --> 0:19:33.560 of her character, like this would be a fast why 0:19:33.560 --> 0:19:35.880 does she have her own solo series? Like I would 0:19:35.920 --> 0:19:38.639 read I would hardcore read a Nubia series either, like 0:19:38.800 --> 0:19:41.240 where she's chilling in hades and protecting the door, which 0:19:41.240 --> 0:19:43.480 I think could be fascinating. She has a great love, like, 0:19:43.640 --> 0:19:46.639 let's explore that. Um, I wouldn't mind it if we 0:19:46.680 --> 0:19:48.879 saw the Nubia who's a twin sister who was like, 0:19:48.920 --> 0:19:50.600 you know what I'm saying behind while you go off 0:19:50.600 --> 0:19:53.160 into your thing, Like maybe I'll come down and visit 0:19:53.320 --> 0:19:55.000 every once in a while because I'm still a champion. Like, 0:19:55.000 --> 0:19:58.160 there's so many opportunities to tell a unique and fun story, 0:19:58.200 --> 0:19:59.600 and they're constantly like, we just don't really know what 0:19:59.640 --> 0:20:01.840 to do with her, or just leave her in the back, 0:20:02.040 --> 0:20:07.000 stranded somewhere behind locked doors fighting monsters or you know 0:20:07.280 --> 0:20:09.680 you never time she shows up, it's breathtaking, Like any 0:20:09.680 --> 0:20:10.880 times she was in a coma, you're just like, oh 0:20:10.880 --> 0:20:14.480 my god, Nube is here. So, so Nubia was introduced 0:20:14.560 --> 0:20:17.640 across three issues of Wonder Woman, number two or four 0:20:17.760 --> 0:20:19.879 through number two oh six. Can you talk about that 0:20:19.960 --> 0:20:25.000 initial the story? Yeah, okay, so and just describing her 0:20:25.040 --> 0:20:27.840 for people that don't have never seen her before. Okay, 0:20:27.880 --> 0:20:31.480 So in her original iteration, she has kind of longer 0:20:32.160 --> 0:20:34.720 black hair with a white streak. Usually, um, that kind 0:20:34.760 --> 0:20:38.360 of mixes up depending on who's coloring book at the time, 0:20:38.600 --> 0:20:41.600 but um, and so she wears this armor, UM that's 0:20:41.600 --> 0:20:44.960 like silver armor. She carries a sword that is forged 0:20:45.000 --> 0:20:47.800 by Aries or Mars at the time um and is 0:20:47.920 --> 0:20:50.359 one of the is the only weapon on the planet 0:20:50.440 --> 0:20:54.639 that can counteract the Lasso of Truth. And so she 0:20:54.760 --> 0:20:57.080 just kind of shows up on the island and it's like, yo, 0:20:58.080 --> 0:21:01.800 I'm gonna fight you. And so Diana and and uh 0:21:02.200 --> 0:21:04.760 Nubia getting this kind of battle and it's very evenly 0:21:04.800 --> 0:21:07.800