Speaker 1: Hey, hey, Hey, how's it going to another episode of
Speaker 1: Nerdifficent Donia host if you are to wait and sitting
Speaker 1: across from me as always as your other host, Danny Fernandez.
Speaker 1: How you doing, I'm doing good? How How good are
Speaker 1: you doing? I'm doing good? Oh my gosh. Yeah. So
Speaker 1: we're we're we're a week out of Black History Month,
Speaker 1: but we're still we're still we're still keeping it going
Speaker 1: were I feel like we need all the extra weeks. So,
Speaker 1: you know, today we're talking about Nubia, but you know where,
Speaker 1: we're joined by some of our favorite voices in nerd dum,
Speaker 1: some of the strongest voices in nerdo, some of my
Speaker 1: favorite people just in general. And one of these people
Speaker 1: our producer, officially new producer Joel Monique doing good be
Speaker 1: with you guys, yes, who did all this Newbia research
Speaker 1: for us, and also our wonder Woman Queen Tomorrow Brooks. Hello, Hello,
Speaker 1: how are you doing. I'm I'm doing well. I'm I'm
Speaker 1: happy to talk about again more wonder Woman related stuff
Speaker 1: and you know, be in your lovely presence. Well, if
Speaker 1: you haven't listened to our Wonder Woman episode, definitely listened
Speaker 1: to it after this because tomorrow just dropped the most
Speaker 1: knowledge We've been on multiple Wonder Woman panels together, and
Speaker 1: I just feel, uh, you also got to go to
Speaker 1: the DC Archives, right I did, and it was like
Speaker 1: really transcendent into experience, even though it's just like a
Speaker 1: library basically, like it's in like our library room, but
Speaker 1: like I got to hold the the like some first
Speaker 1: like original pages from like Superman, and I got to
Speaker 1: see the unfinished um alternate ending from Batman when Jason
Speaker 1: Todd lived and I got yeah, I got to hold
Speaker 1: it in my hand. And then I also saw some
Speaker 1: dope Wonder Woman stuff like this like Rainbow record that
Speaker 1: like no like like three other printing, like there's only
Speaker 1: three available left somewhere else in the world. I saw
Speaker 1: the Bible that they used to write Wonder Woman, like
Speaker 1: there's like the whole guideline things. It was just it
Speaker 1: was it was a lot. They were like, you can
Speaker 1: take more pictures. I'm like, but you don't understand I
Speaker 1: want to take I'm like absorbing all of this into
Speaker 1: all of my situation right now. So well, we normally
Speaker 1: start our show with what we're seeking out about. Um, Joel,
Speaker 1: what are you speaking out about? What am I gaking
Speaker 1: out about I am still I'm sorry for people who
Speaker 1: follow me from podcasts and podcasts, but yes, I'm still
Speaker 1: watching Gray's Anatomy. We have officially hit season fifteen contract
Speaker 1: three times over. It is such a hall. I'm so
Speaker 1: ready to be done and get out of Grace Law Memorial.
Speaker 1: Let's fiddle, my god, I'm determined. I'm of two minds
Speaker 1: for that, with the same brain, which like is both
Speaker 1: the actor brain, because on the one hand, as an actor,
Speaker 1: like stuck to a show for that long, oh my gosh,
Speaker 1: creatively ah, But then as an actor brain, you're like,
Speaker 1: that's a lot of money guaranteed that who you're good?
Speaker 1: You are good. Adia Benson over at SVU just got
Speaker 1: renewed for seasons five, I think, and like she's been
Speaker 1: doing it so long that she is not only getting
Speaker 1: both her regular paycheck but the residual paycheck because they
Speaker 1: are running it. They're they're running it everywhere and get
Speaker 1: that producer paycheck. Yeah, yeah, she's making all the money.
Speaker 1: That show dies when she's done, amazing, and even then
Speaker 1: she probably is good for the rest of her life
Speaker 1: about it that they're running though, if they made iced
Speaker 1: teas Finn the Captain. That would be fascinating and I
Speaker 1: would totally watch that. They won't do that, but I'm
Speaker 1: just saying that I would love it though, fascinating. What
Speaker 1: about you tomorrow? That's an excellent question. I am in
Speaker 1: a position of catching up on a lot of stuff
Speaker 1: because I have a new day gig, and I also
Speaker 1: watch a lot of TV for that, So it's like
Speaker 1: every once in a while, I'm like, I'm just gonna
Speaker 1: watch repeats of Chopped as opposed to love it, you know,
Speaker 1: catching up. So I always loved my cooking shows. UM.
Speaker 1: Another thing that I am obsessed with currently is um
Speaker 1: research because I am a writer and I also I
Speaker 1: am a nerd, and so I've been researching some stuff
Speaker 1: that I'm working on that I can't talk about and
Speaker 1: just falling down these deep, deep research holes and having
Speaker 1: like like hours of like YouTube videos talking about different
Speaker 1: subjects and going down like the Wikipedia trapdoor and just
Speaker 1: all that kind of stuff. So that's kind of what
Speaker 1: I'm into at the moment. And also I am into
Speaker 1: back issues of comics. UM. I've decided that I am
Speaker 1: going to fill out my entire teen Titans comic collection
Speaker 1: and that's going to be a lot of money, but
Speaker 1: dedicated to it because I actually have a lot. So
Speaker 1: happy for you. And it's somebody who just got like
Speaker 1: a regular gig. This is also I'm like ready to go.
Speaker 1: Like when I first got into comics, I maxed out
Speaker 1: my first credit card. Buying comic books became a very
Speaker 1: quick ob session. So I have like all of the
Speaker 1: Crisis on Infinite and Earth. I have uh, the first
Speaker 1: original print run of Sandman, UM all of the Cassandra
Speaker 1: Kanes back Girls. But I was like, I really, uh,
Speaker 1: Teen Titans sounds like something I really want to get into.
Speaker 1: It is a lot of books. I'm going to tell
Speaker 1: you that right now, because that was the first book
Speaker 1: that I started collecting each volume. Yeah, well I already
Speaker 1: have the like the Wolfman run basically almost entirely. Um.
Speaker 1: I did stop at I have all all but one
Speaker 1: um from like the New Teen Titans slash New Titans
Speaker 1: era from like one to like D and four because
Speaker 1: then the arts changed and I didn't like the art,
Speaker 1: so I can understand. Um, going back reading all the
Speaker 1: wonder Boman comics, I was like, look at how much
Speaker 1: changes over time. It's crazy. So yeah, So but I
Speaker 1: also had some of like the original Teen Titans runs
Speaker 1: from the sixties, because I was going to the same
Speaker 1: used but store when I was a kid and just
Speaker 1: buying whatever. So now I'm like kind of like filling
Speaker 1: that part out. And then I have I think the
Speaker 1: Tales of the Tea Times. I think I have all
Speaker 1: those already, so I just have to kind of go
Speaker 1: back and refresh what I'm missing. So it's surprisingly not
Speaker 1: that much that I have to catch this, but they're
Speaker 1: going to be like twenty dollars a pop at this point.
Speaker 1: Question for you, Yes, how do you archive your books? Um?
Speaker 1: I am going through a process of re archiving. I
Speaker 1: currently just have the long boxes like everybody has, UM,
Speaker 1: but I do have a plastic, more waterproof one because um,
Speaker 1: the first three books I collected was Teen Titans, Generation
Speaker 1: X and UM New Warriors, and several water uh things
Speaker 1: happened like there's a burst pipe, there's like an electrical fire,
Speaker 1: and it just demolished my collection. So I'm very sadly
Speaker 1: I don't I don't have any of my gen Xes anymore,
Speaker 1: and I don't have any of my New Warriors anymore.
Speaker 1: It's my feelings. So the ones that I'm really really
Speaker 1: emotionally attached to are in a plastic bit now couple
Speaker 1: of my like autographed ones. Nice. Yeah. Yeah, I have
Speaker 1: to reorganize everything in my room because it went from
Speaker 1: like now I have it. Everything is getting cramped up
Speaker 1: now that I'm really in the Gundham's now so too
Speaker 1: many figures. So I'm gonna get like a glass like
Speaker 1: especially because my buddy Roe com who you've heard on
Speaker 1: the Pot, has been doing a lot of sofoobie toys,
Speaker 1: so I have like he just recently did a co
Speaker 1: collab with Tom Neely, who does the indie comic Henry
Speaker 1: and Glenn Forever, which is a comic where Henry Rawlins
Speaker 1: and Glenn Danzigger in a beautiful marriage and it's all
Speaker 1: they're like regular day to day trials and tribulations as
Speaker 1: essentially the Gods of Metal. But he did a co
Speaker 1: lab of those characters as Astro Boy, and so it's
Speaker 1: like it's like so many layers, but it's so cool
Speaker 1: because then on top of that, because I kick started,
Speaker 1: I got the bonus one off painting where it's painted
Speaker 1: in the style of Wolverine and Colossus, So there are
Speaker 1: multiple layers. But it's like cramped right next to my deco,
Speaker 1: who's like yeah, and then next to his death jaguar.
Speaker 1: So I'm like, okay, it's time to adult up and
Speaker 1: put my toys in a nice glass. Yeah. I love representation.
Speaker 1: Oh yeah. But for me, what I've been nerding out
Speaker 1: about is I've been slowly but surely. I also have
Speaker 1: been having a pretty packed schedule, just both working on
Speaker 1: The Great Debate and now I can talk about I
Speaker 1: don't know if I said it on show sci Fi
Speaker 1: is going to take The Great Debate show which Danny
Speaker 1: has been in at many comic cons, and they're putting
Speaker 1: it on television. So I've been writing on that and
Speaker 1: then at night doing my late night show, Super Punch.
Speaker 1: So it's been My house has been tragic, and I've
Speaker 1: been trying to still like watch things. And I thought, okay,
Speaker 1: it's been hard to keep up with, you know, seasonal
Speaker 1: animes and stuff. Maybe I'll just sit down and watch Redline,
Speaker 1: which I missed. Which Redline is this anime done by
Speaker 1: Madhouse if you're familiar with the studio, and it was
Speaker 1: back in like two thousand, like seven nine, I think,
Speaker 1: and the art in it is so intense because it
Speaker 1: was hand drawn each frame and it almost made the
Speaker 1: company go bankrupt because it took so long to make.
Speaker 1: But it is gorgeous and it's in blu ray and
Speaker 1: it's crisp. And but I because I just don't have
Speaker 1: any time, I always get too sleepy. So I've been
Speaker 1: watching it in chucks, but I think I'm gonna go
Speaker 1: watch it in full sometime this weekend. What are you
Speaker 1: gigging out about, Danny? Well, last night I got to
Speaker 1: go to the National Hispanic Media Coalition Impact Awards and
Speaker 1: that was fantastic. I feel like it's what my soul needed. Um. One,
Speaker 1: everyone was hot as hell. I was like, wow, we
Speaker 1: are such a hot people. It was like packed and
Speaker 1: everybody was just like dressed to the nines and it
Speaker 1: was just great. You know, America Ferrero was honored. She
Speaker 1: is like such an amazing I want to say motivational
Speaker 1: speakers like what came to mind, But I don't know
Speaker 1: if you've ever watched her give speech, is you know,
Speaker 1: at protests or events and stuff, and she just has
Speaker 1: a way of really being like we're not going to
Speaker 1: put up with this. You know, we're going to fight together.
Speaker 1: Um But so many people that were honored. One of
Speaker 1: them was Danny Garcia, who um, she helped fund seven
Speaker 1: Bucks Productions, which is like, uh, Dwayne the Rock Johnson's
Speaker 1: you might know she was married to him. They have
Speaker 1: a daughter, Simone, and then but she's gone on to
Speaker 1: work on so many things, and they were saying that
Speaker 1: she's actually made billions of dollars for if you look
Speaker 1: at all the revenue of everything she's worked on, and
Speaker 1: it's just like, this is so insane. This is a
Speaker 1: Latina who has made billions of dollars. She is like
Speaker 1: just producing so many things, and like they had a
Speaker 1: clip of it and it was just so inspiring that
Speaker 1: it was like she's worked on so many you know,
Speaker 1: I feel like I'm just repeating myself, but she she
Speaker 1: works on all these blockbusters and like everybody, and she's
Speaker 1: also helping people and bringing people up with her. She
Speaker 1: had Cuban immigrant parents and it's just like wow. And
Speaker 1: there were so many stories like that of like, while
Speaker 1: we're there's so many of us that are really putting
Speaker 1: in the work and it was just great to see
Speaker 1: so many successful Latinos there because it's just a reminder
Speaker 1: of like, wow, like our community really looks out for
Speaker 1: each other and this is what we can do. And
Speaker 1: that was kind of like the theme the whole night
Speaker 1: was like we have to stick together, we have to
Speaker 1: reach back down once we've made it and pull the
Speaker 1: rest of us up. And the cast of Hentified was there,
Speaker 1: which if you haven't watched, it's on Netflix and America
Speaker 1: Frera produced it and it's uh don't my friend Francisco
Speaker 1: Ramos is in it um and it really talks about
Speaker 1: the Chicano experience, which it was fascinating scene um Mexican
Speaker 1: people being like, oh, I didn't resonate with this, and
Speaker 1: I and uh Lalo who did? Uh? The Cassa Grandes
Speaker 1: was like, well, the Chicano experience is not the easiest
Speaker 1: thing to capture, Like it's so mixed for everyone's like
Speaker 1: when did you come over here? What is it like?
Speaker 1: Are your first generation? Second generation? And it's just it's
Speaker 1: such a fascinating conversation and I just ask everyone to,
Speaker 1: you know, be open that we are not monoliths, but
Speaker 1: you don't all have the same experience. That's always the
Speaker 1: the hard convo that uh that kind of goes into
Speaker 1: it because I I love you know, and it all
Speaker 1: comes through just multiple pieces of media, because I feel like,
Speaker 1: you know, right before this kind of like Renaissance and
Speaker 1: black art has happened, that was happening where people would
Speaker 1: nit pick it where it's like, this doesn't fit my experience,
Speaker 1: so this is why. And it's like, well, because everyone's
Speaker 1: isn't the same, why are you asking you know, this
Speaker 1: to perfectly fit into yours and not see what you
Speaker 1: do resonate with? Uh? And that's and so I am
Speaker 1: more than sure as more stuff because even just in
Speaker 1: the past few years, I like how much like Latin
Speaker 1: X content there's been with on my block hnified uh
Speaker 1: you know uh time, you know, even like Jane and
Speaker 1: Jane the Virgin, you know all it's it's just really
Speaker 1: just finally we're starting to break through the doors. And
Speaker 1: you know, me and Danny kind of had a conversation
Speaker 1: akin to this. But things are changing in the sense
Speaker 1: that there was one kind of gatekeeper reprocess before where
Speaker 1: you had to just basically have permission to create, And
Speaker 1: now with the Internet and being able to produce media
Speaker 1: and the the falling prices of like cameras and audio equipment,
Speaker 1: people are now able to shoot and make things and
Speaker 1: get noticed past the gatekeepers, so that there's an execut
Speaker 1: who's like, no, this person, I don't need your inputs.
Speaker 1: Air I like them because I got to see what
Speaker 1: they did, alright. Yeah, and it was America was essentially
Speaker 1: saying like we're no longer going to fight each other
Speaker 1: for one measly piece of the pie. We're gonna bake
Speaker 1: our own cake, and like we're gonna you know, but
Speaker 1: it takes us, you know. It was, it was great.
Speaker 1: It was just super inspired to see people that like
Speaker 1: they're starting their own studios, are starting their own production
Speaker 1: so we can own our art and our work, you know,
Speaker 1: not be working under somebody, so we can tell the
Speaker 1: stories that we want to. And actually Jay Hernandez was
Speaker 1: also honored, and he was like, I'm you know, I'm
Speaker 1: glad that I'm my role is not like as a
Speaker 1: criminal or as like his new role that he's doing
Speaker 1: um or drug dealer or whatever, and so it was
Speaker 1: it was just very inspiring. And I think he's the
Speaker 1: first Latino lead on any show on CBS really that
Speaker 1: makes sense, or at least for like a really long time,
Speaker 1: at least like ten years. Yeah, that's it's wild. I'm
Speaker 1: gonna remove all names from it. So but I remember
Speaker 1: I was pitching a show and we were talking about
Speaker 1: it after they didn't end up getting picked up, and
Speaker 1: I was talking about it with someone and I was like, yeah,
Speaker 1: I remember when we were pitching the meeting and you
Speaker 1: were well into your pitch. It was really good. But
Speaker 1: I was looking up they had all the shows that
Speaker 1: they've greenlit the wall, and he's like, I'm looking around
Speaker 1: and they had no black people, no people of color,
Speaker 1: and I was like, well, I was. I was in
Speaker 1: a punch up room last last year for a CDs
Speaker 1: show and I was not only the only woman, but
Speaker 1: I was the only person of color. Like that is
Speaker 1: yikes on yikes having to speak up on there. And
Speaker 1: then one of the jokes I remember it didn't get
Speaker 1: picked up, so I don't care. One of the jokes
Speaker 1: on there, they had a kid being like, what's lit?
Speaker 1: Fam Like just wanted to visit my squad, and I'm
Speaker 1: like they would never, like how are you doing a
Speaker 1: fellow children? Think I love about this show. This the
Speaker 1: the episodes we've done this much as they all kind
Speaker 1: of leaked back in because this kind of goes back
Speaker 1: into what we're talking about in the Duyne episode when
Speaker 1: you're saying there that Dwayne didn't see authenticity behind it
Speaker 1: like that, and it's things like that, and that's why
Speaker 1: like you are able to be like, now that's not
Speaker 1: what people say. This is something more common and this
Speaker 1: is how that you know it really is like the
Speaker 1: easiest way to prevent coming off Like every time someone's like, yeah,
Speaker 1: this it just this ran hollow, this one on hollidand
Speaker 1: I'm talking about I was like, you know how you
Speaker 1: solve that right? And they're like what higher writers. I also,
Speaker 1: just before we move on, I also just want to
Speaker 1: say it's really fascinating we constantly see people saying like,
Speaker 1: hire the best person for the job, Hire the best
Speaker 1: person for the job. Okay, So if I'm in that room,
Speaker 1: like I've I've sold a show right to HBO Max,
Speaker 1: I'm writing on a Netflix show. I am a writer,
Speaker 1: I'm a successful writer, and and those aren't the only
Speaker 1: things I've written written for Playboy blah blah blah. So
Speaker 1: if I'm in that room and I am the only
Speaker 1: woman and I'm the only person of color, do you
Speaker 1: think that they think that the things that I suggest
Speaker 1: are the best suggestions for the plots, the jokes or whatever.
Speaker 1: They might just not get it. Like I hope that
Speaker 1: people understand that when you're saying like, well it should
Speaker 1: go to the best person, it's like, but who's deciding that?
Speaker 1: And maybe they don't think my jokes are good because
Speaker 1: they don't get it, and they're they're like a decade
Speaker 1: and a half older than me and so, and they're
Speaker 1: outdated in blah blah blah, and it's just like, I'm
Speaker 1: really exhausted by that that I see constantly in the
Speaker 1: mentions whenever directors and other people are speaking up about that.
Speaker 1: Uh so, yeah, they probably thought their jokes were the best,
Speaker 1: and I could tell you they weren't, and the show
Speaker 1: didn't get picked up. So moving on to the Nubia.
Speaker 1: Moving on to Nubia, UM tomorrow, What is actually your
Speaker 1: first introduction to her? Nubia is an interesting thing because,
Speaker 1: as we're going to discover, as we talked about in
Speaker 1: this conversation, she's not used very much, and so I'm
Speaker 1: trying to remember specifically the first time I learned about her.
Speaker 1: I'm pretty sure it was like during my like super
Speaker 1: hyper obsessive research time in high school when I was
Speaker 1: like getting away way deep in the comics, and I
Speaker 1: was like, where, why isn't this character around? More Like,
Speaker 1: I don't understand it's a she's a really interesting character technically,
Speaker 1: I think honestly, the first version of her I ever
Speaker 1: saw was a repeat of that Kathy Lee Crosby Wonder
Speaker 1: Woman movie where they had sort of she's, you know,
Speaker 1: kind of a riff on Nubia a little bit. You know,
Speaker 1: she was lighter skinned, but like she was an Amazon
Speaker 1: that wasn't on the island and then became evil adjacent adversarial, sure, adversarial,
Speaker 1: and so it's that thing where you're just kind of, yeah,
Speaker 1: it's it's a crazy thing. So when I learned about
Speaker 1: her origin, which is basically she is Wonder Woman's twin sister.
Speaker 1: Her mother fashioned two babies out of clay, one light clay,
Speaker 1: one dark clay, and um, you know, brought them both
Speaker 1: a life, and then Aries or Mars as he was
Speaker 1: called back then stole her away because you know, Ari's
Speaker 1: gonna Aries and put her on an island full of
Speaker 1: dudes and had her run that island. Now, in my head,
Speaker 1: that's always stuck with me as the greatest version of
Speaker 1: her origin, because if you think about it, why would
Speaker 1: Hippolitas just have one kid running around the island? Truly,
Speaker 1: Like why wouldn't you have a sister for her? And
Speaker 1: that also kind of runs into the sort of reiterations
Speaker 1: of Donna Troy's origins where they did that whole thing
Speaker 1: where she was like a mirror toy and that got
Speaker 1: kidnapped and all that kind of stuff, which I'm not
Speaker 1: into that origin, but like that, it's a similar thought.
Speaker 1: I think that goes through that. So yeah, just it
Speaker 1: was one of those things where I'm like, oh, that's
Speaker 1: a really cool origin and it's like, oh, she's like
Speaker 1: savage and running around with a bunch of angry dudes
Speaker 1: and difficut of her character, which I think what's interesting
Speaker 1: about Nubia is they're always trying to be less offensive
Speaker 1: and then they just run smack dab into a wall
Speaker 1: of like slightly more offensive and yours. It's frustrating. And
Speaker 1: when you read like the different origins or different aspects
Speaker 1: of her character, like this would be a fast why
Speaker 1: does she have her own solo series? Like I would
Speaker 1: read I would hardcore read a Nubia series either, like
Speaker 1: where she's chilling in hades and protecting the door, which
Speaker 1: I think could be fascinating. She has a great love, like,
Speaker 1: let's explore that. Um, I wouldn't mind it if we
Speaker 1: saw the Nubia who's a twin sister who was like,
Speaker 1: you know what I'm saying behind while you go off
Speaker 1: into your thing, Like maybe I'll come down and visit
Speaker 1: every once in a while because I'm still a champion. Like,
Speaker 1: there's so many opportunities to tell a unique and fun story,
Speaker 1: and they're constantly like, we just don't really know what
Speaker 1: to do with her, or just leave her in the back,
Speaker 1: stranded somewhere behind locked doors fighting monsters or you know
Speaker 1: you never time she shows up, it's breathtaking, Like any
Speaker 1: times she was in a coma, you're just like, oh
Speaker 1: my god, Nube is here. So, so Nubia was introduced
Speaker 1: across three issues of Wonder Woman, number two or four
Speaker 1: through number two oh six. Can you talk about that
Speaker 1: initial the story? Yeah, okay, so and just describing her
Speaker 1: for people that don't have never seen her before. Okay,
Speaker 1: So in her original iteration, she has kind of longer
Speaker 1: black hair with a white streak. Usually, um, that kind
Speaker 1: of mixes up depending on who's coloring book at the time,
Speaker 1: but um, and so she wears this armor, UM that's
Speaker 1: like silver armor. She carries a sword that is forged
Speaker 1: by Aries or Mars at the time um and is
Speaker 1: one of the is the only weapon on the planet
Speaker 1: that can counteract the Lasso of Truth. And so she
Speaker 1: just kind of shows up on the island and it's like, yo,
Speaker 1: I'm gonna fight you. And so Diana and and uh
Speaker 1: Nubia getting this kind of battle and it's very evenly
Speaker 1: matched until Nubia has the upper hand and has Diana
Speaker 1: her sword. And then she's like, okay, well I'm Nubia.
Speaker 1: I'm over at the floating island. Um. That was a
Speaker 1: great fight and I'm better than you. I'll see you later, um.
Speaker 1: And so she goes off to the island. And then
Speaker 1: when you find out that you know the secret history
Speaker 1: of her later um where she got you know, fashion
Speaker 1: and Mary stole her and actually suppressed the memory and
Speaker 1: apolitis a politics didn't even remember her until she saw her.
Speaker 1: And then she leads a invasion of Paradise Island with
Speaker 1: her homie dudes that she used ruling. Oh and then
Speaker 1: there was a part in there before I think this
Speaker 1: is when she gets back to the island after fighting Diana.
Speaker 1: There are two men of the island who are like
Speaker 1: fighting over the right to marry her, and She's like,
Speaker 1: how about this, I will fight you both and I
Speaker 1: will win because I'm no one's property. How about that? Um. So,
Speaker 1: then she leads this, uh this takeover of the island
Speaker 1: um and is battling Diana, and Diana manages to reflect
Speaker 1: array of light to this ring that she's wearing so
Speaker 1: that it loosens up and falls off her fingers because basically, hey,
Speaker 1: guess what, aries was mind controlling her the whole time
Speaker 1: because he's terrible and that's what God's be doing. And
Speaker 1: uh So, then after she broke free from that that
Speaker 1: mind control, she went back to the island and it
Speaker 1: was going to basically turn all the warriors there into
Speaker 1: warriors peace, you know. So that was basically and then
Speaker 1: so so that's what happened in that story. And then
Speaker 1: the next time you see her is actually Supergirl number nine,
Speaker 1: and I think that's in seventy four, um and uh
Speaker 1: in that story, Supergirl was trying to save people. It
Speaker 1: starts out with her seeing this guy that she was
Speaker 1: dating making out with another girl on a and this
Speaker 1: car goes over the cliff and she saves him, and
Speaker 1: she realizes that this is due that she dang, so
Speaker 1: she's like gross and then um, and then she goes
Speaker 1: and saves a guy in a plane who gets mad
Speaker 1: at her because he's doing an experiment, but she didn't
Speaker 1: know that because it looked like he was gonna die.
Speaker 1: And then she saves a rock star from a mob
Speaker 1: and then he's like, I'm gonna kiss you, you know,
Speaker 1: for to thank you, and she's like gross. And so
Speaker 1: she's like, you know what, I'm just gonna fly around
Speaker 1: and not be here right now. So she ends up
Speaker 1: at Paradise Island and uh. She saves a boat with
Speaker 1: another Amazon who's unnamed Nubia and hi politics because they're
Speaker 1: fighting these mutated shark men, as you do. And then
Speaker 1: Nubia gets poisoned and there's only there's this mystical route
Speaker 1: on a island that's two thousand miles away, and so
Speaker 1: the only person that can save them a supergirl. And
Speaker 1: as she's there, Paultas like, you know what, you have
Speaker 1: a strength. You remind me of my daughter Diana. I'm
Speaker 1: gonna make you my honorary daughter and you can just
Speaker 1: stay on Demoscara forever because she and she's like, you
Speaker 1: know what, dudes kind of suck and I'm okay with
Speaker 1: not being around them now yeah staying here. Yeah, so
Speaker 1: sorry that I was gonna say yes. So she goes
Speaker 1: off to the island. Uh. She gets the root these
Speaker 1: uh priests on the island stealer her powers. She gets
Speaker 1: saved by a guy that's there, who then is like, well,
Speaker 1: now I have to protect you forever and I'm not
Speaker 1: letting you off the island. And then she gets her
Speaker 1: powers back and she leaves and everything's fine, and she's like,
Speaker 1: I guess I have to go back to the real
Speaker 1: world because I can't just hide out here forever. I
Speaker 1: have a side selfish question that I want to ask
Speaker 1: because I know that you have read like every every
Speaker 1: Wonder Woman iteration, there's a lot of talk of their sisters,
Speaker 1: So I'm not saying that as them together but then
Speaker 1: being queer separately. Um, are there actual instances in the
Speaker 1: comics that you can think of with either of them? Again,
Speaker 1: I'm not saying with each other, right, um. Nubia is
Speaker 1: presented as Hippolita's lover and I believe the earth one book. Um,
Speaker 1: she is with a god. So that was that deep.
Speaker 1: So that was her you know, I'll take it. It's
Speaker 1: not her real mom. But it was like I'm like, okay,
Speaker 1: I'm trying to say she doesn't hook up with her sister.
Speaker 1: I'm not saying that. When have they been queer? I
Speaker 1: would like to know selfishly for myself. But but this
Speaker 1: version of her is not. This is she's just an
Speaker 1: Amazon island a thing because like once post crisis, she
Speaker 1: is that that whole being her sister thing is never areshed.
Speaker 1: Every um. They just basically like that's nice, that doesn't exist.
Speaker 1: So um. So there's that she's with a male god
Speaker 1: in um the only run I think of the complete
Speaker 1: run of her. That's all. That's two O five and
Speaker 1: two or six. Yeah, it's called Three of Hearts and
Speaker 1: his name it's by Robert Canager. He was the writer,
Speaker 1: uh not on that one. Um. That was some of
Speaker 1: the d I can't remember. I have to look up
Speaker 1: the name. I haven't. I haven't. I swear to God
Speaker 1: I Mazda. Yes, that's the name of the God of Light. Yes,
Speaker 1: the God of Light and his heart got cut out
Speaker 1: of his body by his brother, who is a god
Speaker 1: of lies. And so basically she ends up being in
Speaker 1: Vegas where Wonder Woman is fighting other people, um, because
Speaker 1: she's chasing the heart so she can bring him back,
Speaker 1: and a bunch of stuff happens, and there you get
Speaker 1: to see her use she One of her powers post
Speaker 1: crisis is the cold Stare, which is what they call it,
Speaker 1: and basically she can turn people into stone. But she
Speaker 1: got from the Gorgon's. Yes, they packed from the Gorgon's
Speaker 1: because she did some kind of cool stuff when she
Speaker 1: was guarding the gate and they're like, hey, you know what,
Speaker 1: you're pretty dope. Here's an extra power for you. Level up.
Speaker 1: It's so awesome. We have to dig a really quick
Speaker 1: break and then we're going to cover more of Nubia
Speaker 1: right after this and we're back. We're still talking about Nubia. Um. So, Joel,
Speaker 1: I know you did a lot of research on her costumes.
Speaker 1: Can you talk about the the changes along the way. Yeah,
Speaker 1: And the first time we see Nubia, it's very like
Speaker 1: Gladiat your style. She's got this rising phoenix on the breastplate,
Speaker 1: which is really cool. She has um very typical kind
Speaker 1: of spartan hat you think of when you think of
Speaker 1: the warriors, the full chain mail down the arms and
Speaker 1: like this red kind of like pleaded skirts sort of
Speaker 1: similar to what Diana will wear later in her iteration.
Speaker 1: At this point, she's still in the like spans high
Speaker 1: tight star spangled banner outfit. Um and what year? Sorry?
Speaker 1: What years? Yes? So this is during her initial appearance
Speaker 1: in nineteen three. Um, She's just so badass, it's insane.
Speaker 1: It's just like we have just kept this kind of
Speaker 1: progressiveness the whole way because I'm looking at it. We
Speaker 1: will tweet out this photo. I mean, she's just stunning
Speaker 1: and in Gladiator, like Joel was saying armor and it's
Speaker 1: just yeah, and having like a separate series where she
Speaker 1: is like training these warriors of male warriors or peace
Speaker 1: and like going out in the worlding stuff would have
Speaker 1: been so cool. It's it's awesome. I feel like she
Speaker 1: uses a box set of Dark and Lovely every other
Speaker 1: week to keep her hair like soft and flowy, and
Speaker 1: like there's a very secret pool somewhere on the island
Speaker 1: where she just goes over and just like dips her
Speaker 1: head in, like it just swirls a little bit and
Speaker 1: then like pulls it out and it's just like beautifully laid,
Speaker 1: like that's I feel like that's a magic of the island. Yeah.
Speaker 1: I feel like there's a special like uh like like
Speaker 1: pool for all the black Amazon where you put it
Speaker 1: and you think about what style you want, if you
Speaker 1: wanted to get pressed, it's there, and it's like a
Speaker 1: special magic press that doesn't mess up when water hits it. Right. Um,
Speaker 1: when you see her your leader in, she's got this
Speaker 1: like black swimsuits or thing. It's really feels like they
Speaker 1: were like storm's kind of hot. Like I don't like
Speaker 1: to draw a storm for d C. It's like weird
Speaker 1: gold plate cutouts, but they're literally just like chicken breasts
Speaker 1: like over her boobs. It's very weird. Um. And then
Speaker 1: she has a gold boot that I love because it's
Speaker 1: slip down the front and then the triangle folds are
Speaker 1: like down instead of I think what we typically see,
Speaker 1: which is like just a very straight triangle on the side.
Speaker 1: This is at the front of her shin. They just
Speaker 1: look cool, they're unique. I just love this panel that
Speaker 1: you pulled out, which it's nubia with her fist up
Speaker 1: not quite doing the black almost almost, and she goes me, um,
Speaker 1: they're Wonder Woman. And then and then the black woman
Speaker 1: in the back says, Nubia my black sister. Yeah, listen,
Speaker 1: they knew how black people talk. They had it down
Speaker 1: packs Christmas. Um, and she's got sort of the What
Speaker 1: I really like about Wonder Woman in the late sixties
Speaker 1: early seventies is all the characters have the giant hair
Speaker 1: of the moment, and it's glorious. It's like very much
Speaker 1: like a snooky style bump, a like bigger and more curious,
Speaker 1: and it's like all kinds of like the black and
Speaker 1: blue shiny they do in comic books. She looks amazing,
Speaker 1: Like I was really looking at this origin you had
Speaker 1: out of her where it was like the whole Wonder
Speaker 1: Woman arc where she changes outfits and she's like Diana,
Speaker 1: And it really was cool how they were like, yeah,
Speaker 1: we're just gonna like set, We're gonna try and update
Speaker 1: it and like this like we like progressive, like I'm
Speaker 1: gonna save you from prison by doing the Like I
Speaker 1: was like, I hope they really bring that energy to
Speaker 1: the d C. You like, let's see one like I
Speaker 1: want to see her go from each decade and let's
Speaker 1: see like them earlyts nineties wonder Woman with the Britney
Speaker 1: Spears dinhim fit. But I know, I was like, I'm
Speaker 1: so excited about the eighties. They better have some Madonnas
Speaker 1: stuff in there for her. I mean, I want to
Speaker 1: see her with like the crop. No, they probably can't
Speaker 1: do that, like the brawn across the last UM. I
Speaker 1: did want to have our my friend and a lot
Speaker 1: of our friends, Christina Riel on this episode, but she's
Speaker 1: at packs, I believe. But she has cause played pretty
Speaker 1: famously as Nubia, so we'll include that on our instant Twitter. Um.
Speaker 1: Some picks of her. Um and it's like you said,
Speaker 1: if he in the trade sail wonder Woman outfit. I
Speaker 1: also love this barbie that they had of her. Yeah,
Speaker 1: there's like a doll they created for Okay, So Tamery,
Speaker 1: can you talk about the sad news about how she
Speaker 1: was going to be on TV show but then wasn't
Speaker 1: on the wonder Woman TV shows. It is a thing
Speaker 1: that either I didn't know or I actively suppressed in
Speaker 1: my brain because understandable devastating. UM. So, if you guys
Speaker 1: don't know about the original Wonder Woman series, it started
Speaker 1: out on ABC and then for its last season or
Speaker 1: maybe two seasons, moved to CBS. I think it was
Speaker 1: just this last season, so uh or at ABC they
Speaker 1: were like, hey, you know what we should do. We
Speaker 1: should bring a Nubia She's in the comics, would be
Speaker 1: really cool. We're gonna bring her in. They cast uh,
Speaker 1: the woman who was the lead and get Christie Love.
Speaker 1: So they already had her cast. They had it all
Speaker 1: ready to go, and they even did this uh promotional.
Speaker 1: They were getting the merchandise a ready, So you did
Speaker 1: this promotional doll of Nubia and how she was going
Speaker 1: to appear on the show, and she looks so dope.
Speaker 1: So she has the dark hair, she has a white stripe,
Speaker 1: she has the great silver armor and like it's basically
Speaker 1: her original comics appearance outfit. But because they moved UH
Speaker 1: networks and the the plan for the series change, that
Speaker 1: was completely scrapped. So um, it's definitely what could have
Speaker 1: been a situation, and it hurts my heart a little bit, um,
Speaker 1: but it's it was not meant to be at that time. Sadly. Yeah,
Speaker 1: CBS it is only now just getting into showing people
Speaker 1: of color on their network, CBS, But it was unfortunate
Speaker 1: because you have this doll. It's kind of a one off.
Speaker 1: It hit store shelves but didn't go really beyond that.
Speaker 1: But she does look sick. My favorite Nubia look is
Speaker 1: her two thousand appearance where she causes the Three Hearts.
Speaker 1: Is she run one seventy six? I think, Um, she
Speaker 1: gets like a George Washington shoulder treatment that is so sick.
Speaker 1: They give her an olive green cape's to the floor,
Speaker 1: and then her breastplate is like a ring lion was too,
Speaker 1: like gems for eyes. And then the best part they
Speaker 1: give her natural twists which are really sick. Her hair
Speaker 1: is like kind of short, like shoulder length, but these
Speaker 1: like thick twists on it. She looks so good. And
Speaker 1: then of course classic hoops, which you know. I would
Speaker 1: like to see some people caused play this version of
Speaker 1: new be totally. I mean, I would love to see
Speaker 1: more of you. I was just thinking like, if someone
Speaker 1: caused played the seventies version of her, would people know, um, right,
Speaker 1: who that was? That's a good question. I think that
Speaker 1: it would definitely be the Deep Nerds. Oh my god,
Speaker 1: it's actually about to say the Deep Weeves, but that's
Speaker 1: the difference. Weaves might know it too. What's really interesting
Speaker 1: as we kind of review both the history of Nubia
Speaker 1: and her costuming, is like, how did this idea come
Speaker 1: into being? And if you listen to Glorious Steinham tell it,
Speaker 1: her and Miss Magazine had like a huge role play
Speaker 1: in it, right, yeah, there was, um so, as I
Speaker 1: talked about the last time I was in here, there's
Speaker 1: a period where they've depowered Wonder Woman, made her spy
Speaker 1: for reasons and uh so, and that lasted a good
Speaker 1: couple of years and so uh yeah, um so. Gloria's
Speaker 1: Dynham then, as a fan of the character as a child,
Speaker 1: ran a series of essays and Miss Magazine talking about
Speaker 1: Wonder Woman her impact and so in it she implored
Speaker 1: DC Comics to give her her powers back, which they did,
Speaker 1: and then there's a part where she talks about how
Speaker 1: Wonder Woman is a great hero for women, but it
Speaker 1: is only white women that you see in the comics
Speaker 1: and there is no intersectionality there. So a lot of
Speaker 1: people are crediting her pointing that out to them being
Speaker 1: inspired to create Nubia m um, and which I think
Speaker 1: is actually as a writer and as a person who
Speaker 1: doesn't always write stories and things like that, but I
Speaker 1: do you know, cultural critiques and things like that. To
Speaker 1: be able to see that historically the words have always
Speaker 1: been able to create a positive impact on the pop
Speaker 1: culture that you consume is really heartening. And it, you know,
Speaker 1: being able to see a character like that in the
Speaker 1: books more if if she existed in any capacity during
Speaker 1: the eighties or you know, nineties, and when I was
Speaker 1: like in this used bookstore and that's how I got
Speaker 1: my comics. Mostly there was like a book a rack
Speaker 1: at like the local Crown Books and then this let's
Speaker 1: use bookstore in Pasadena that every you know, every month,
Speaker 1: I take my allowance and I go there. I look
Speaker 1: through the books and see what was there and just
Speaker 1: get whatever, you know, looked interesting at the time. And
Speaker 1: so if I could have seen her on the cover
Speaker 1: and I would have flipped my lid like it would
Speaker 1: have been just it would have been so so impactful.
Speaker 1: So it's it's really really interesting to see how all
Speaker 1: that that works. And it makes me hopeful that will
Speaker 1: still be able to do this stuff. I mean, we're
Speaker 1: seeing it now, but like to be able to know
Speaker 1: that it happened even in the seventies is great. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I mean that's to me, I guess what gets confused.
Speaker 1: Not confusing, but it's like we were so we were
Speaker 1: doing something like of trying to you know, and then
Speaker 1: why did why? I mean I already know the answer
Speaker 1: to my question, but it is difficult to see us
Speaker 1: go backwards for decades, including now bat times, but like, yeah,
Speaker 1: that is a big deal. That is a big deal
Speaker 1: to have her in this like gladiator armor, just like
Speaker 1: shining and gorgeous and like being the equal of Yeah. Yeah,
Speaker 1: that's like, yeah, that was like huge. It reminds me
Speaker 1: of I mean, not in the same way, but like
Speaker 1: when we were talking about Diana's first appearance in the
Speaker 1: forties when she was kind of like no, I'm not
Speaker 1: gonna listen to you, and like you don't understand. In
Speaker 1: the forties that was like not done. Women were supposed
Speaker 1: to be, you know, underneath their husbands and and the
Speaker 1: man is first and respecting them and very much like
Speaker 1: leave it to beaver type stuff, especially you know, back then.
Speaker 1: And it's just wild to me that we kind of
Speaker 1: then went in reverse for several decades. They were like
Speaker 1: we don't like that, and that scares us so now
Speaker 1: we're going to like completely not do that. Well, it's
Speaker 1: funny because it's just like with like t g IF
Speaker 1: and how there were so many black sitcoms at one
Speaker 1: point where you had like sisters Sister, you had family matters,
Speaker 1: you had uh, you know, what's the what's the one
Speaker 1: thing about the Parkers you had? Yeah, you had all
Speaker 1: those and then out of nowhere, it just seemed like
Speaker 1: it just stopped. You know. Well, they were networks were
Speaker 1: combating cable at the time, and one of the way
Speaker 1: you could do that was appeal on your basic cable
Speaker 1: to a black audience, because more black people have basic cable,
Speaker 1: and that's what basically saved dPNs right before they became
Speaker 1: more prothers. They're like, oh, they don't need black people anymore,
Speaker 1: thank you for the ratings boosts abounds, which I think
Speaker 1: is what typically sort of happens. It's like, oh, and
Speaker 1: sort of how Nubia has been treated a lot throughout
Speaker 1: her career. It's like, oh, they like seeing a black
Speaker 1: wonder woman here he goes taste. Yeah, she's so awesome
Speaker 1: and she kicks so much button. She's like has such
Speaker 1: a different ideology from wonder woman who's very much like
Speaker 1: I must come and protect man. And listen, they're trying,
Speaker 1: they're struggle, they're not mature. Yet we're going to get
Speaker 1: them there wherea Zubia was like, when we got time,
Speaker 1: I'm gonna turn that guy to stone and save this
Speaker 1: little girl. And then I got to Bounce's amazing. And
Speaker 1: also I would also like to say that the whole
Speaker 1: thing of them being sisters, which blows a lot of
Speaker 1: people's brains, but like, I'm black, but I'm also mixed,
Speaker 1: and so some of the things I mixed with his
Speaker 1: Cape Verdian which is a group of violence off the
Speaker 1: Cas Senegal and most of them live in Massachusetts or
Speaker 1: in San Francisco, um, but in my mom's family, there's
Speaker 1: seven of them and they go a spectrum of colors.
Speaker 1: So it's not like you can't just have two kids
Speaker 1: and one blight. It literally happens every day. So you know,
Speaker 1: even that like and that's also you know I talked
Speaker 1: about a little before seeing Linda Carter, I knew she
Speaker 1: was something. I don't know what she was, but I
Speaker 1: knew she was something, And she reminded me of some
Speaker 1: of my mom's side of the family and That's another
Speaker 1: reason why I imprinted on her so hard, because it's
Speaker 1: just like, this is a thing that represents my life
Speaker 1: in a way that I never see it ever and
Speaker 1: still pretty much don't. And I just you know, I
Speaker 1: need everybody to do better, get on get on their level.
Speaker 1: There's opportunities. We have to take another really quick break,
Speaker 1: and then I actually have before we hop back into
Speaker 1: more things. I really have a really funny, great crossover
Speaker 1: of Nubia that I'm going to spill right after this
Speaker 1: and we're back. So this is often forgotten, but Nubia
Speaker 1: actually appeared in the Scooby Doo comics Scooby Doo Team
Speaker 1: Up number five by d C Comics. It was Trouble
Speaker 1: in Paradise. She this is her description or personality. She
Speaker 1: has a low opinion of men. Uh. This is on
Speaker 1: the Scooby Doo a pda uh. She has a low
Speaker 1: opinion of men, as evidence when she describes Shaggy Roger's
Speaker 1: cowardice as something that should be expected from his gender. Yeah. Um.
Speaker 1: Due to Aphrodite's Law, Paradise Island bestows wonder Woman and
Speaker 1: all the Amazon's godlike powers. Um, as long as mortal
Speaker 1: and do not step foot on the island. So she
Speaker 1: has in this run immortality and she's an a dope.
Speaker 1: She's like kind of in a white like armor and
Speaker 1: has like a golden eagle. I do have to give
Speaker 1: props to like modern Scooby Doo writers because like the
Speaker 1: last ten to ten to fifteen years, it's just great content.
Speaker 1: And when they started doing the crossover stuff, it is
Speaker 1: just a whole other level. Like the Scooby Natural like
Speaker 1: crossover was that was insane. Dude prepared, I'm prepared for
Speaker 1: how great that is. So I just props to everybody
Speaker 1: who's been working on that. I p right now because
Speaker 1: it's you're hitting out of the park. Yeah. So she's
Speaker 1: in full like armor but still has like a redsh
Speaker 1: skirt um and then her hair do is different every time,
Speaker 1: which I love and appreciate. And then she's also in
Speaker 1: the Wonder Woman seventy seven Bionic Woman crossover and she's
Speaker 1: there with one of the Fausta something camerostice. No, No,
Speaker 1: it's um she because she's one of the character is
Speaker 1: that um one on one faced uh, and then brought
Speaker 1: them to the island and they're reformed now. So they're
Speaker 1: reformed island. Amazon's on the island and they're actually in
Speaker 1: a relationship together. So that's another more career representation for y'all.
Speaker 1: I forgot about that one when we were talking about earlier.
Speaker 1: There we go Fausta Grable, Yes, um so, and I
Speaker 1: think married, getting married, being on the island, doing good stuff,
Speaker 1: and it's a thing that I feel like people forget
Speaker 1: that one or one is really trying to reform people
Speaker 1: and reach their hearts. I feel like that's a better
Speaker 1: reason in the universe for her to not have a
Speaker 1: big rogues gallery as opposed to sexism. Uh in the
Speaker 1: real world, Well, it does look like people think that
Speaker 1: she popped up in the TV series, Um yeah, that
Speaker 1: a version of her um as Caroline Hamilton's who's part
Speaker 1: of the San Francisco Police Department. But she, Uh, they
Speaker 1: have Caroline in um as Nubia in a comic, so
Speaker 1: they that's the Wonder Woman's having. So they she she
Speaker 1: renames herself Nubia when she gets through the island, so
Speaker 1: you know, it's a whole thing. So that's like, you know,
Speaker 1: I also have a big fan in the Wonder Woe
Speaker 1: in seventy seven comics. Anyway, So definitely check those out
Speaker 1: when you guys have a chance. Um, it's really interesting that,
Speaker 1: like this was one of the hardest things to research
Speaker 1: because I knew that I had read like I read
Speaker 1: the you know the nineties appearance, you know that storyline,
Speaker 1: and I know I had seen her first appearance, and
Speaker 1: then I was like, there's got to be more, right,
Speaker 1: there's not that much more well speaking of that, So,
Speaker 1: so we have The Wonder Woman eight four coming out.
Speaker 1: I think it would be dope if Nubia appeared and
Speaker 1: that was something they were keeping secret. But I don't
Speaker 1: see a world in which Patty Jenkins has done such
Speaker 1: an amazing job with trying to make an honest portrayal
Speaker 1: from a normal viewpoint. I don't even want to say
Speaker 1: like a woman's viewpoint. It's just like not from a guy's,
Speaker 1: Like it's not you know what I mean. And so
Speaker 1: of like showing no, I probably wouldn't like bend down
Speaker 1: and put on lipstick in the middle of a fight
Speaker 1: or some shi it or like my skirt doesn't need
Speaker 1: to be that high. It doesn't make sense, um for fighting. Uh.
Speaker 1: And and I don't see a world in which Patty
Speaker 1: Jenkins wouldn't want to add Nubia in at some point.
Speaker 1: I think it's probably not the time for it, though,
Speaker 1: just from a like, I don't know what the story
Speaker 1: of this movie is. I've been trying to not learn
Speaker 1: anything about it, um, but I just think she's such
Speaker 1: a big deal potentially that I would rather her be
Speaker 1: saved for another time than to just kind of like
Speaker 1: shove her in here. My I totally agree. I don't
Speaker 1: know if I think that she's going to be necessarily
Speaker 1: or maybe at the end of this one, but I
Speaker 1: think it's perfect because Wonder Woman did so well to
Speaker 1: kind of slide her in here, so she's introduced here,
Speaker 1: she can further be in the film and then get
Speaker 1: her own film, because I think that's well, here's the
Speaker 1: thing is, it's just like, it's so much if we
Speaker 1: just gave her her own film, where I think, like
Speaker 1: Wonder Woman is already set as like people are like,
Speaker 1: oh no, that made millions of dollars. It was like
Speaker 1: a huge success. It was like one of the best
Speaker 1: DC films, and so like, why don't we slide her
Speaker 1: in here, introduce her and then give her her own film.
Speaker 1: I've got it. Here's what I want to see I
Speaker 1: would like to see them her just help out in
Speaker 1: a fight, right, like one of Thomen. She like maybe
Speaker 1: calls some of her Amazonian sisters they came through. She
Speaker 1: like tosses her sword and she's like, no, thanks, got
Speaker 1: my own giant swords from my dad, bam. And then
Speaker 1: she's super awesome. And then Brothers is like, man, people
Speaker 1: really like these Smscarans. That was our favorite part in
Speaker 1: the first movie. In the second movie, what if we
Speaker 1: gave them a TV show on HBO and we watched
Speaker 1: them every week be lesbians and awesome fighters? And then
Speaker 1: Joel is happy for life. No, Joel, you're still right
Speaker 1: because we lost like that fantasy like Game of Thrones
Speaker 1: whatever thing. So it's perfect for them to pick up
Speaker 1: a warrior franchise women's staff. Let's go. I will be
Speaker 1: on it. Listen. I have a lot of ideas hiring
Speaker 1: me and giving me money. UM. I know that she appeared.
Speaker 1: I could not read them at the time because they're
Speaker 1: not available on the DC Universe app. But I did
Speaker 1: see that Nubia di does pop up currently in the
Speaker 1: Rebirth era UM and the last couple of issues of
Speaker 1: Great the Live storyline. I think it's the last three
Speaker 1: issues or it's from like, you know, seventy seventy five
Speaker 1: is like the last part of this run, I believe,
Speaker 1: So I think it's seventy three to seventy five. Um,
Speaker 1: but I couldn't read them, so I just read about it.
Speaker 1: So because she's in there recently, then I am taking
Speaker 1: that as a sign that they are going to definitely
Speaker 1: do more things. And here's the thing. Wonder Woman is
Speaker 1: the only female superhero who has sidekicks named after her. True,
Speaker 1: So why do we not have a wonder Woman's centric spinoffs?
Speaker 1: Why do we not have a wonder Woman office covering
Speaker 1: all her comics? Why does Wonder Girl not have her
Speaker 1: own comics? Why does you know? Like, why are we
Speaker 1: not data? So cool to like seeing? The cool thing?
Speaker 1: What I really like about that DC does really well
Speaker 1: as their animation, especially if you're checking out Young Justice,
Speaker 1: which you absolutely should be. Season three is so good. Um.
Speaker 1: But it's cool is that it gives like, if you
Speaker 1: didn't come across these characters in your natural reading, you know,
Speaker 1: maybe you're like me and you got into a couple
Speaker 1: of series here and there. I got really into an
Speaker 1: indie comic books not too long after getting into like
Speaker 1: superhero comic books and so I'm touch and go in
Speaker 1: some places. But man, if you want to know about
Speaker 1: some heroes, Young Justice or Justice League or Justicely Unlimited
Speaker 1: will fill you in and give you like a whole
Speaker 1: vibe of like what these characters are going for. And
Speaker 1: Diana Prince is Dope's how I got into Zatanna, who's
Speaker 1: super awesome. I learned about Icon and Rocket from those shows,
Speaker 1: like there's just there's so much to love about them.
Speaker 1: I'm a little upset we never got Nubia in any
Speaker 1: of those Yes, never appear in such a larger deep
Speaker 1: cut than New Year, Yes, I can't. And Rocket like,
Speaker 1: and they had Rocket there being a Rocket like, like
Speaker 1: they didn't like change her down. She got right up
Speaker 1: there with the other team. Times. It's good. Um yeah,
Speaker 1: I think I'm gonna I'm gonna stay a controversial opinion,
Speaker 1: which I don't know if I stated this on the
Speaker 1: Wonder Woman's specific podcast, but Justice leagu Unlimited is a
Speaker 1: great show for deep cuts, but it is also wonder
Speaker 1: Woman is the one character that that Holy Trio cannot
Speaker 1: figure out how to write. I don't think that's contra
Speaker 1: virtual at all. It's very true because they're always like,
Speaker 1: maybe she's a love interest for Batman or Superman. Every
Speaker 1: time they do it, I'm like, what the hell is happening?
Speaker 1: So gross love triangle too, because it's like it just
Speaker 1: doesn't and then it's not truly because Superman Batman never
Speaker 1: like deal with it, and they're never in a committed
Speaker 1: relationship with Wonder Woman. It's almost always a side flirtation.
Speaker 1: And then she'll be like, oh, well, I'm just about
Speaker 1: the rules and up and down. I mean, like a
Speaker 1: die hard Batman like fan since I was little. Also
Speaker 1: the lord of just like Selena Kyles is who I mean,
Speaker 1: who gets shipped like that to me? Will always be
Speaker 1: So I'm just like, I don't even want one woman involved.
Speaker 1: And this is Steve Trevor Erasure is woman not Diana,
Speaker 1: which blows my mind. Just uh, secure in his own ability, Yes,
Speaker 1: supportive dude who's like, look at my baby be all straight. Yeah,
Speaker 1: And he's like, this woman is better than me in
Speaker 1: every way, and I respect and I don't need to
Speaker 1: put her in her place. Ever, I will run support
Speaker 1: for her in the ways that I can. I still
Speaker 1: could do some stuff, but I know she could do
Speaker 1: more than that. He's a colonel in the army, like
Speaker 1: Serevor gotta going on. And I do think that Chris
Speaker 1: Pine did that role so well. It was so just like,
Speaker 1: oh crap, she can do everything better than me. I'm
Speaker 1: just going to be here on the side her and
Speaker 1: adore her. Um. But yeah, and that's you know, so
Speaker 1: love interesting. So I think it's interesting that Nubia, like
Speaker 1: for you know, in the in the nineties iteration where
Speaker 1: she's guarding you know, the door to Tartarus and Hades
Speaker 1: and all that dooms doorways what they call it, I believe. Um.
Speaker 1: But they talked like they did the thing that the
Speaker 1: thing where they talk about some of her adventures and
Speaker 1: I'm like, like we were saying before, like they sound
Speaker 1: so cool, and so what was the thing that led
Speaker 1: her to be like messed up on the shores of
Speaker 1: where this god is? And like how about that she's
Speaker 1: dope enough that all powerful God is Like hey, and
Speaker 1: I don't recap of their romance. I was instantly intrigued.
Speaker 1: I will watch that love story because I feel like
Speaker 1: it was messy and challenging and then she has to
Speaker 1: come and save him and he's like calling to her telepathically.
Speaker 1: It's so romantic and sweeten It happens in two episodes
Speaker 1: like two issues. Now you could easily do like a
Speaker 1: fifty issue arc of their like love romance in the
Speaker 1: same way that Green Arrow and Canary got their storyline,
Speaker 1: which was super awesome done a comic. More couples comics.
Speaker 1: They are extremely my vibe. I just want to say too,
Speaker 1: I think it's so fun when people get upset about
Speaker 1: calling either Nubia or a wonder Woman queer because it's like,
Speaker 1: so you think that they're just virgins on that island.
Speaker 1: They've just never had sex ever, even though they look
Speaker 1: like that and their bodies look like that. Okay, um,
Speaker 1: well this has been I mean, I mean not wrong.
Speaker 1: That's why it's funny. So they're just all virgins running around.
Speaker 1: That makes perfect hot ladies waiting for a guy. Just waiting. Yep,
Speaker 1: you know. Find guys are not necessary. They're like rocks
Speaker 1: so that they can eat. Okay, that's a little bit making.
Speaker 1: They're making their own. Yeah, they dreaming, dreaming, waiting. They
Speaker 1: have magic and technology. They do not need it. Magic
Speaker 1: and technology and each other, who are very beautiful people.
Speaker 1: I think, well, that's why. Okay, so I'm just gonna
Speaker 1: put this out there too, going along with Joel said
Speaker 1: with having a series possibly on HBO, but I think
Speaker 1: that if Nubia was introduced there, it could be a
Speaker 1: world in which that is Diana's love interest, because even
Speaker 1: Gal Gadote herself has been like, just because she likes
Speaker 1: Steve Trevor right now doesn't mean that that's who she's
Speaker 1: going to be with forever, you know. I mean that's
Speaker 1: because I's that's I mean also that but that's yeah.
Speaker 1: But um, it's kind of like what we talked about
Speaker 1: with our Lando episode. It's like the guy is so hot,
Speaker 1: like of course he's going to sleep with whoever you can,
Speaker 1: like a robot, a man, a woman, an alien, literally anyone.
Speaker 1: He's you know, gonna taste the rainbow from the underworld
Speaker 1: that visits them Scaria, He's listen, is the goal and
Speaker 1: peer of heart. Yeah, is a person. And I'm just
Speaker 1: saying it's like it's like those the quartz crystals that
Speaker 1: are nice, and it's a quartz that is just delightful
Speaker 1: and just hello, ladies, today the world is pretty pretty
Speaker 1: and shiny and bright, and let me romance you yeah,
Speaker 1: shout out to that goal and Shadow Well, thank you
Speaker 1: all for coming on the geek out about Nubia. Yeah,
Speaker 1: of course. Um uh tomorrow, where can everyone catch you?
Speaker 1: You can find me on Twitter and sometimes Instagram at
Speaker 1: Misfits tomorrow and Joel Uh same with those directions only
Speaker 1: head to at Uel Monique, j O E L L E,
Speaker 1: M O N I q u E. I'm at MS
Speaker 1: Danny Fernandez. It's M S D A and I F
Speaker 1: E R and and D easy. I'm actually gonna be
Speaker 1: on a panel with tomorrow at Wonder Car and so
Speaker 1: pay attention to our twitters because I think we get
Speaker 1: to officially announced the day and time and I We're like, okay,
Speaker 1: soon soon, um yeah yeah. And Brett Brett Brett, how
Speaker 1: you doing? Um? I I Y N W I D
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Speaker 1: the discord is Discord dot g G Forward slash Salt Squad. Uh.
Speaker 1: You can catch me every night at eight pm eleven
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Speaker 1: I'll be at Emerald City, uh talking you know, and
Speaker 1: we're gonna do a bonus episode talking about that, and
Speaker 1: I'll also be doing stand ups and pay attention to
Speaker 1: the twitters and see what shows I actually get on
Speaker 1: wonder Con. I will not be in l A. I
Speaker 1: will also be at the same time, Yes, soccer Klon
Speaker 1: I'll be Yeah, I'll be at Socco da Kroon. So
Speaker 1: maybe we'll compare our con experiences and see how how
Speaker 1: might we be experience compared to your dope panels. Yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: I'm getting it all, but yeah, thanks for listening, and
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