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Speaker 1: Hello the Internet, and welcome to episode huh, episode special

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Speaker 1: of DIR Daily Ze. Guys, my name is Jack O'Brien.

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Speaker 1: I'm joined by Miles Grey, Super Bruce Around, Hosey, Answer Scouser,

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Speaker 1: nixt Stunt, Supers producer. Uh. It is Monday, March nineteen.

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Speaker 1: It is early and we early West Coast Town, and

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Speaker 1: we wanted to issue a special report on the Muller investigation. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: and what we know we don't know, and what we

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Speaker 1: continue you guys just to not know because we still

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Speaker 1: don't know because yeah, I mean we haven't seen the report,

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Speaker 1: I mean yet. Okay, So we got the summary yesterday

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Speaker 1: where William Barr said, look, I don't really have any

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Speaker 1: evidence that anyone in the Trump camp or in his

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Speaker 1: committee or campaign uh directly coordinated with the Russian government

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Speaker 1: during the election for any kind of interference. And also

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Speaker 1: zero obstruction of justice. Uh, and you know the president

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Speaker 1: has taken that to spike the football. Wait did he

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Speaker 1: say zero obstruction of justice? Well, he said, he said,

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Speaker 1: fact find no reason to charge. There's no that that

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Speaker 1: there isn't enough to charge the press. That was not

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Speaker 1: a quote from the Mueller report. That was bars that's

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Speaker 1: own account. Right. So here's the thing, right, if we

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Speaker 1: just I guess we can take it from how the

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Speaker 1: President is looking at it, where he says, uh, no collusion. Um.

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Speaker 1: And I mean this is how the media is reacting

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Speaker 1: to it as well. Uh where we've got the front

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Speaker 1: page the main article on the New Yorker, trump wins

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Speaker 1: exclamation point. Uh. So that I think those are the

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Speaker 1: two ends of the spectrum. So this is how the

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Speaker 1: media is taking this, and I think that that's probably

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Speaker 1: a good starting point. Is this is how it's being interpreted, right, Yeah,

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Speaker 1: is the I mean, if you look, it's that that

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Speaker 1: they haven't they haven't found enough evidence to say that

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Speaker 1: the president was guilty or anyone in the campaign was

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Speaker 1: guilty of the hack and leak ship specifically, right, And

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Speaker 1: that's the wiki leaks, the Hello Russia if you're listening

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Speaker 1: type ship, all the hacked emails and any other things

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Speaker 1: that were directly related to people in the US coordinating

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Speaker 1: with very very rigidly defined as the Russian government. Um.

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Speaker 1: So that leaves a lot of room for like what

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Speaker 1: about all those cutouts of the Russian government, like Oligdara

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Speaker 1: Pasca and Constant and Colimnic and Felix Sader and all

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Speaker 1: these other people. Well that's a whole other thing. But

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Speaker 1: the media and a lot of the way we're looking

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Speaker 1: at has so narrowly defined this collusion thing that I

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Speaker 1: guess everyone was just looking specifically at this hacken leak

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Speaker 1: thing when we when we look at sort of all

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Speaker 1: of the activity and behavior of this administration, there's clearly

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Speaker 1: something else going on, more to do on a foreign

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Speaker 1: policy level than sort of the high help me win election.

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Speaker 1: What do you need to you know, what do you

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Speaker 1: need to get these emails? So just playing devil's advocate? Uh,

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Speaker 1: you know, we we were talking about this before we

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Speaker 1: to pay attention to, you know, an investigation into what

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Speaker 1: happened around the election with regards to Trump and his

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Speaker 1: people's relationship to Russia and his people's relationship to other

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Speaker 1: Russian related powers. And the response I've gotten as I've

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Speaker 1: tried to parse the uh you know, language of bars

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Speaker 1: summary of the Muller Report from more centrist people and

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Speaker 1: just people who don't have my level of curiosity is like,

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Speaker 1: just move on. It's he's found no collusion. It's no collusion. Uh.

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Speaker 1: That that is the verdict. And um, you know, I

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Speaker 1: don't know what Nick you were. You were kind of

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Speaker 1: but like nothing is basically this is this is the verdict.

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Speaker 1: They're not going to get him out by impeaching him. Therefore,

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Speaker 1: the smartest play for the Democrats is to say, let's

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Speaker 1: not let's not spend the next two years trying to say, oh, Mueller,

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Speaker 1: we need to check his homework, we need all his

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Speaker 1: underlying evidence, and we're gonna do this investigation all over

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Speaker 1: he's he's celebrating a great victory that only a few

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Speaker 1: of the Mullah Report. We have the bar summary of

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Speaker 1: but it's important to remember that is the official Justice

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Speaker 1: Appartment policy and and was before he wrote that. No. Right,

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Speaker 1: but even then he was even eviscerating what Mueller was

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Speaker 1: he left that determination to William Barr and Rod Rosenstein.

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Speaker 1: He said, here's my evidence. He's like, here's a case

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Speaker 1: why you totally could charge bring obstruction charges. Here's why

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Speaker 1: you might not be able to, but I'll leave that

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Speaker 1: really obstruction, right, they did. They did play a little

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Speaker 1: I don't know what's all. It all just feels like

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Speaker 1: that's the blanket statement. That's it. If they're If BAR

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Speaker 1: says no collusion, then the way they ran with it,

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Speaker 1: that that was the most insane part. Like after read

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Speaker 1: like after I got all the news alerts, you know,

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Speaker 1: you see no collusion. What the fuck? What the what

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Speaker 1: the fuck? That's like all you're thinking for like twenty minutes.

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Speaker 1: And then you know, as soon as I started really

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Speaker 1: getting into it, and I was like, wait, but there's

436
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Speaker 1: so much more to this, and I hate this because

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Speaker 1: the way I saw it is all anyone all over,

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Speaker 1: like across the United States from you know, literally the Midwest.

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Speaker 1: Anyone just takes a look at that goes, oh, okay,

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Speaker 1: I guess you got away with it, and it's like,

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Speaker 1: oh my god, it's not just that, like there's so

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Speaker 1: much more that there's so many different nuance like it's

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Speaker 1: crazy to me, and that really it fucked me up. Well,

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Speaker 1: I think if anything, it's just just you need to

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Speaker 1: also present a counterpoint. Okay, the president was not found

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Speaker 1: of directly colluding with the Russian government in during to

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Speaker 1: influence the election. Okay, great sir, And then you can

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Speaker 1: say still no determination on repeated contacts with Russian officials

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Speaker 1: around these other things too. I think just in the

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Speaker 1: lying and the right, just just frame it like that

451
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Speaker 1: because when you give too many people live in the

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Speaker 1: headline world headline reality where they go, oh, no collusion.

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Speaker 1: And now a lot of people, I'm sure everyone was

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Speaker 1: talking with their relatives who are on the on the right,

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Speaker 1: who are like, well, how did that work out for you?

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Speaker 1: There's no collusion, and to them you say it was

457
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Speaker 1: only found of this very narrow thing. I'm like, please

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Speaker 1: explain these other things, like what was going on with

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Speaker 1: Cambridge Analytic. Now, let the conspiracy theories begin. Muller was

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Speaker 1: conspiring now or or even or even plainly just say

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Speaker 1: there was no the president has not been exonerated of

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Speaker 1: of obstruction or these Even in the document that you

463
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Speaker 1: are using to spike said football, it's the words said.

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Speaker 1: It's there saying but they do exonerate him of collusion. Collusion. Yes, yes,

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Speaker 1: they specifically says, yeah, that's a big deal. But it's

466
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Speaker 1: also kind of a big deal that Mueller says, well,

467
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Speaker 1: this does not like indict him. We it also does

468
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Speaker 1: not exonerate him that like it's a weird thing for

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Speaker 1: him to put it so to equivocate like that. But

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Speaker 1: it's also like he does use the words this does

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Speaker 1: not exonerate the president Justice, which is like again, it's like,

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Speaker 1: how do you what do you do with that? As

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Speaker 1: the left, So even to the point of that it

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Speaker 1: could exonerate him of collusion, right, The only way this

475
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Speaker 1: would have been proven is if Mueller had something so

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Speaker 1: absurd like some email where it's like dear Kremlin, I

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Speaker 1: Donald Trump, I am ready to conspire, and like the

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Speaker 1: actual the evidence that you would need to really be

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Speaker 1: like bow there it is right. No, no savvy criminal

480
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Speaker 1: even talks like not even someone like Donald Trump, I think,

481
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Speaker 1: is gonna get caught up on some dumb ship like that.

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Speaker 1: And as we learned in the Cohen thing, the way

483
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Speaker 1: Trump does a crime is he just insists on the

484
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Speaker 1: reality he wants to be true around the people who

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Speaker 1: make it. So essentially, um so, he's not saying, Okay,

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Speaker 1: do this crime on my behalf. He's saying it would

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Speaker 1: be great if ah, yeah, that's crime work committee, if

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Speaker 1: that worked out, if the if the result of this crime, hey,

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Speaker 1: if it's what you say it is, then I love

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Speaker 1: it so so sure if anything happened yeah, um right,

491
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Speaker 1: so the if it's what you say where it was,

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Speaker 1: then I love it like that whole thing that it's

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Speaker 1: not on its face. You know, what are you gonna say, like,

494
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Speaker 1: I don't know, I don't know what I was saying.

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Speaker 1: You say, I don't I didn't know that was a

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Speaker 1: representative of the Russian right. And if you work in

497
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Speaker 1: a campaign, you tell me how you do it. And

498
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Speaker 1: when you work in a campaign and it's it's like

499
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Speaker 1: we're just trying to win and somebody calls you up

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Speaker 1: with heuring your opponent, I love it. You're gonna turn

501
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Speaker 1: that down and and like you guys are talking like

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Speaker 1: it's a dirty game, and you know you can possibly

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Speaker 1: do that. But if I think, I think most people though,

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Speaker 1: would have Like when you think about who was it

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Speaker 1: uh in one of the elections, like found the binder

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Speaker 1: and called the FBI. Yeah, Al Gore got a ups

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Speaker 1: the day before a debate with George W. Bush. That

508
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Speaker 1: was all of George W. Bush's uh debate prep And

509
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Speaker 1: rather than even opening it to like look at page one,

510
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Speaker 1: he just sent it to the FBI. And who won

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Speaker 1: that one? And then got his character? He got his

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Speaker 1: ass kicked in the rip? Right? Um? But so I

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Speaker 1: mean I guess the one argument did win that one, Nick,

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Speaker 1: But I mean really, let's thin. But in the end, yeah,

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Speaker 1: I mean I do think. I mean, well, when you

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Speaker 1: look at the I think the historians conclusion of the

517
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Speaker 1: Florida recount was that Bush would have won, but they

518
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Speaker 1: got it like in a pretty shitty corrupt way, Like

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Speaker 1: they got it to be that outcome in a pretty

520
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Speaker 1: shitty corrupt way. But he would have won anyways. Um,

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Speaker 1: I I do think a lot of this is going

522
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Speaker 1: to have to be litigated in the pages of history. Uh, Like,

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Speaker 1: that's I think the the horizon. I'm kind of adjusting

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Speaker 1: the truth of this story to um and just like

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Speaker 1: from a practical perspective, I just don't I don't know

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Speaker 1: what there is. I I do think that it's probably

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Speaker 1: and this is again very early results and without having

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Speaker 1: seen the report itself, but I do think it's probably

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Speaker 1: in Trump opponent's best interest to now start viewing this as, Okay,

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Speaker 1: how do we just talk about he is the president, right,

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Speaker 1: he is running for reelection. Let's not worry about the

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Speaker 1: legitimacy of his presidency. Let's folk us on the effectiveness

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Speaker 1: of his presidency, and let's let's re interpret all of

534
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Speaker 1: this shady ship that we were saying, well, maybe he's

535
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Speaker 1: a Russian agent and be like, no, he's not a

536
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Speaker 1: Russian agent. This is just how terrible president. He's just

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Speaker 1: bad at this. And I was thinking, like, the good

538
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Speaker 1: question now is like, Okay, so the report does establish

539
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Speaker 1: that Russia most definitely interfered in the interfered in the election.

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Speaker 1: What are you Donald Trump doing about that? Like, forget

541
00:30:30,440 --> 00:30:32,320
Speaker 1: about your role in all of this stuff, and then

542
00:30:32,520 --> 00:30:34,680
Speaker 1: you know, put it like just shift the whole things.

543
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Speaker 1: It's like, okay, pretend this is normal life for a second,

544
00:30:37,080 --> 00:30:40,440
Speaker 1: like you know, and that that you know, but he's

545
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Speaker 1: I mean, if all of his actions point to the

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Speaker 1: fact that he doesn't care or if anything, he's severely

547
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Speaker 1: wants to inhibit the you know, law enforcement's ability to

548
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Speaker 1: respond to completely. But then you can make the political

549
00:30:51,680 --> 00:30:54,600
Speaker 1: point that this guy is doing a bad job defending us, absolutely,

550
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Speaker 1: And I think that's that's where we have to walk

551
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Speaker 1: to fine line because on one hand, it's so clearly

552
00:30:59,000 --> 00:31:01,960
Speaker 1: to people, it's like there's an injustice that people feel

553
00:31:02,000 --> 00:31:04,240
Speaker 1: just by looking at him and being there's something so

554
00:31:04,360 --> 00:31:08,080
Speaker 1: fucking sinister and off that like this can't work. And

555
00:31:08,080 --> 00:31:11,360
Speaker 1: then we're having to balance that with how this political

556
00:31:11,400 --> 00:31:14,800
Speaker 1: machine actually operates. And on one hand, of course, the

557
00:31:14,800 --> 00:31:17,640
Speaker 1: the emotional side is just fucking do whatever we have

558
00:31:17,680 --> 00:31:20,080
Speaker 1: to do to impeach this person, like, just fucking do it.

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Speaker 1: And then but then we also live in a world

560
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Speaker 1: where a failed impeachment attempt could have could spectacularly backfire.

561
00:31:27,560 --> 00:31:30,400
Speaker 1: And then and then we're looking at guaranteed four more

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Speaker 1: years of Donald Trump. That and there's the precedent too,

563
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Speaker 1: Like there's gonna be some other's gonna be a Democratic

564
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Speaker 1: president at some point, and you really don't want it

565
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Speaker 1: to You want it to be this hard to impeach

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Speaker 1: the president because if it, if it's not this hard,

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Speaker 1: that's all we'll ever do as special counsels and impeachments. Yeah.

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Speaker 1: I mean when you look at a comparison between Special

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Speaker 1: Council investigations we as we have throughout the course of

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Speaker 1: this and just kind of the timeline and number of indictments, Uh,

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Speaker 1: this was fairly short special Council investigation when you compared

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Speaker 1: to Whitewater, when you compared to Watergate, when you compared

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Speaker 1: to some of these other like per indictment, there were

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Speaker 1: a lot more indictments and a lot less time. But

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Speaker 1: I do think that there was litigate like there was

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Speaker 1: legislation that was passed to limit the powers and make

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Speaker 1: it less of a broad reaching thing, uh than it

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Speaker 1: was under Ken Ken Star, And I think that that's

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Speaker 1: probably a good thing in the long run, even though

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Speaker 1: it does seem like it made it fairly limited uh

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Speaker 1: this time around. All right, So you know that's where

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Speaker 1: we're at currently, just trying to sort through this stuff.

583
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Speaker 1: We thought we would kind of check in with you

584
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Speaker 1: guys and let you know kind of our thoughts on

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Speaker 1: the situation. Um. Obviously the story is going to continue

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00:32:50,400 --> 00:32:55,880
Speaker 1: to evolve, UM, and you know, we'll we'll be keeping

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Speaker 1: an eye on it. But anything else, anyone else wants

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Speaker 1: just share one thing hashtag Monday motivation, know, at like four,

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Speaker 1: And that was like three in the morning when I

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Speaker 1: was like deep and reading. I got into a whole

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Speaker 1: last night, as you guys may have seen from my

592
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Speaker 1: text to you, but there was a moment of absolute

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Speaker 1: insanity where I thought kind of attracted to Robert Mueller

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Speaker 1: and uh, and then I was like, it looks like Sam, equal,

595
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Speaker 1: what did might do? I need to go to bed.

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Speaker 1: But it was that moment where I was like, there's

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Speaker 1: something so attractive about a man who's really going to

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Speaker 1: have to go through it right now. And I was

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Speaker 1: like and then I went to bed because I was like, yeah,

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Speaker 1: I'm starting to lose my mind. Is the other thing

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Speaker 1: they're probably gonna have subpoena him to it. I mean,

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Speaker 1: they're not subpoena him, but call him to come testify.

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Speaker 1: I would think when you yeah, Jerry Nadler is like

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Speaker 1: trying to bring everybody into the committee to be like,

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Speaker 1: what is going on? Right? I mean, the drudge headlines

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Speaker 1: are Trump wins, no collusion, no obstruction with a asterisk,

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Speaker 1: no proof of crimes. Nadler, it's not over, Max Melto. Yeah, well,

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Speaker 1: I mean, yeah, everybody, they're gonna they look a lot

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Speaker 1: of spiking of the football on the right today, you

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Speaker 1: know what I mean. Don't worry. It's fun because motherfucker's

611
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Speaker 1: took the House in twenty eighteen on issues that had

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Speaker 1: nothing to do with with Trump or Russia. So get

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Speaker 1: you know, like, I know a lot of people are

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Speaker 1: very dejected by it, and I feel bad for you

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Speaker 1: because you don't put all your eggs in a basket, y'all.

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Speaker 1: But don't worry. There's still time to come. We still

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Speaker 1: don't know, guys, And that's just really the bottom line.

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Speaker 1: We just don't We just don't know. We're gonna have

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Speaker 1: to see that report maybe, yeah. I mean. The main

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Speaker 1: thing that I think the left has been pointing out

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Speaker 1: as they make fun of more centrists liberal people about

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Speaker 1: their obsession with about the report is like the thing

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Speaker 1: that people actually care about is, you know, the tax

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Speaker 1: cuts for the rich and the healthcare for all or

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Speaker 1: health care for men as uh, you know, it seems like,

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Speaker 1: you know, on the one hand, the traditional political indicators

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00:35:06,440 --> 00:35:09,279
Speaker 1: are pretty good like ourn Trump's favor when it comes

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Speaker 1: to things like you know, low unemployment and swing states.

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Speaker 1: On the other hand, he has like objectively like gone

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Speaker 1: in the opposite direction of the populist moment that he

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Speaker 1: that got him elected and that seems to be winning

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Speaker 1: the day in politics on both sides. So uh, you

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Speaker 1: know that that might be the smarter place for people

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Speaker 1: to focus their energies going forward. All Right, We're gonna

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Speaker 1: now go record a regular episode, but this has been

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Speaker 1: the Muller Report Report, No, the Bar Summary, the Bar

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