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Speaker 1: I never told your protection of iHeart Radio. Okay, Annie,

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Speaker 1: I have to ask you a question, and this is

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Speaker 1: gonna date me a little bit because I was trying

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Speaker 1: to remember all about this information. But did you ever

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Speaker 1: watch when PBS or in Georgia's GBS, uh, when they

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Speaker 1: it was beautiful, and then they would interrupt it every

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Speaker 1: to pledge five hundred dollars or a hundred dollars of

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Speaker 1: is the CBC or the Canadian Broadcasting Corporation version of

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Speaker 1: and the Gables UH. And this is how I first

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Speaker 1: You'll one time, um, and I would eat a bowl

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Speaker 1: for this because to me, and green Gables and of

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Speaker 1: serious and or a model for other girls, which I

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00:24:12,359 --> 00:24:15,800
Speaker 1: find interesting because that's not true. Like what if we

430
00:24:15,920 --> 00:24:18,800
Speaker 1: look at the character of Anna green Gables, it spawned

431
00:24:18,840 --> 00:24:21,240
Speaker 1: a big fan hood, Like it may not be to

432
00:24:21,280 --> 00:24:24,200
Speaker 1: the level that we see with Harry Potter or Twilight

433
00:24:24,240 --> 00:24:27,920
Speaker 1: today because we don't swim over characters and or maybe

434
00:24:27,920 --> 00:24:30,760
Speaker 1: that's not a magical world, but there was a die

435
00:24:30,800 --> 00:24:33,320
Speaker 1: hard fandom. I was a part of it of Anna

436
00:24:33,400 --> 00:24:36,920
Speaker 1: green Gables, and I love that we have for this

437
00:24:37,119 --> 00:24:40,480
Speaker 1: and seeing these women are seeing these characters as heroes.

438
00:24:53,760 --> 00:24:56,119
Speaker 1: One of the things that stood out to me, and

439
00:24:56,160 --> 00:24:59,840
Speaker 1: we've talked about this recently. Ums, I kept waiting for

440
00:24:59,880 --> 00:25:03,359
Speaker 1: the other shooter drop with like Anne was so good

441
00:25:03,560 --> 00:25:06,200
Speaker 1: at her studies, she was so smart, So I kept

442
00:25:06,240 --> 00:25:09,479
Speaker 1: waiting for Diana to be like, I can't be your

443
00:25:09,480 --> 00:25:15,520
Speaker 1: friend anymore other than the cordial incident, but like her personally. Um,

444
00:25:15,560 --> 00:25:18,480
Speaker 1: and you did have that one character what was her name, Josephine?

445
00:25:18,600 --> 00:25:24,880
Speaker 1: There was the one character, yes, but otherwise like, yeah,

446
00:25:24,920 --> 00:25:27,479
Speaker 1: you got the teacher who's a woman who's supportive of

447
00:25:27,560 --> 00:25:29,520
Speaker 1: and and like, no, you're so smart, we can make

448
00:25:29,520 --> 00:25:32,320
Speaker 1: this happen. You've got miss Barry and you've got Diana.

449
00:25:32,400 --> 00:25:34,480
Speaker 1: And I liked that they were all like, no, you're

450
00:25:34,520 --> 00:25:36,880
Speaker 1: so we want to see how far you can go,

451
00:25:36,960 --> 00:25:40,280
Speaker 1: like we're gonna support you. And there was also the

452
00:25:40,320 --> 00:25:42,119
Speaker 1: scene with Diana where she was like, no, I like

453
00:25:42,240 --> 00:25:44,240
Speaker 1: Gilbert too, and I was like, oh, here it comes.

454
00:25:44,440 --> 00:25:48,000
Speaker 1: But it was much more like, no, it's okay, like

455
00:25:48,240 --> 00:25:50,800
Speaker 1: if you're interested. I didn't know if you were interested.

456
00:25:51,920 --> 00:25:54,400
Speaker 1: I liked it. I appreciated it. Yeah, there's a love

457
00:25:54,440 --> 00:25:56,440
Speaker 1: there in the bond. But that's the other part, is

458
00:25:56,480 --> 00:26:01,680
Speaker 1: like being honest and communicating together. That's yeah. Also, she

459
00:26:01,800 --> 00:26:04,480
Speaker 1: saved someone's life. She saved many because she had been

460
00:26:04,480 --> 00:26:06,119
Speaker 1: through so many trials and knew how to take care

461
00:26:06,160 --> 00:26:09,040
Speaker 1: of children. She was able to save this child's life.

462
00:26:09,040 --> 00:26:11,600
Speaker 1: And it's a gorgeous, gorgeous look at what she can

463
00:26:11,720 --> 00:26:14,160
Speaker 1: do um as someone who has always had to fend

464
00:26:14,160 --> 00:26:17,280
Speaker 1: for herself. I also had an issue, and I do

465
00:26:17,359 --> 00:26:19,120
Speaker 1: want to come back and say, how did that kid

466
00:26:19,240 --> 00:26:21,960
Speaker 1: cry like that? Like I don't think that is a

467
00:26:22,000 --> 00:26:23,960
Speaker 1: good an actor like that? Did they do something to

468
00:26:24,160 --> 00:26:27,439
Speaker 1: make her cry like that? I've always thought that, I

469
00:26:27,520 --> 00:26:29,879
Speaker 1: know slide in the back of my head. I'm like,

470
00:26:29,920 --> 00:26:34,280
Speaker 1: I hope that kid's okay. But then we move on

471
00:26:34,359 --> 00:26:37,119
Speaker 1: to of course, the obvious at the very beginning is

472
00:26:37,160 --> 00:26:39,439
Speaker 1: the orphaned person, because that's a big thing when it

473
00:26:39,480 --> 00:26:43,080
Speaker 1: comes to stories like this, feel good stories, whatever whatnot. Um,

474
00:26:43,119 --> 00:26:45,640
Speaker 1: this one has a little more heavy leaning and understanding

475
00:26:45,880 --> 00:26:48,840
Speaker 1: that they were seen as property and or brought into

476
00:26:49,160 --> 00:26:51,960
Speaker 1: uh to be a servant in the home or a

477
00:26:52,000 --> 00:26:55,399
Speaker 1: caretaker in the home to lighten the load, not necessarily

478
00:26:55,480 --> 00:26:58,160
Speaker 1: to care for UM. And I don't think that attitude

479
00:26:58,240 --> 00:27:03,080
Speaker 1: was a common in the early nine eight hundreds. That

480
00:27:03,160 --> 00:27:06,840
Speaker 1: was a thing, and unfortunately children were used and abused

481
00:27:06,920 --> 00:27:09,200
Speaker 1: and all that. Of course we don't get into that

482
00:27:09,320 --> 00:27:13,560
Speaker 1: too much, just just the implication of that. So of

483
00:27:13,600 --> 00:27:16,000
Speaker 1: course we are so excited to see her grow out

484
00:27:16,000 --> 00:27:19,240
Speaker 1: of that, but we do see that conversation happening, especially

485
00:27:19,320 --> 00:27:21,439
Speaker 1: during the Industrial Revolution when we talk about all of

486
00:27:21,440 --> 00:27:24,600
Speaker 1: that as well. But then for a specifically, as you mentioned,

487
00:27:25,240 --> 00:27:31,720
Speaker 1: the red head stigma of the early nighte it was everywhere,

488
00:27:31,720 --> 00:27:34,159
Speaker 1: and again because I have my friend Katie and because

489
00:27:34,200 --> 00:27:37,399
Speaker 1: she experienced this so much, every time, I was like,

490
00:27:37,440 --> 00:27:40,320
Speaker 1: oh there, yeah, there, it is all there it is,

491
00:27:40,520 --> 00:27:42,359
Speaker 1: and it kind of it did make me sad because

492
00:27:42,640 --> 00:27:47,399
Speaker 1: it was clear she didn't turnalize it. Yeah, it was

493
00:27:47,440 --> 00:27:50,760
Speaker 1: just desperate for She tried to dye her hair and

494
00:27:50,800 --> 00:27:54,879
Speaker 1: it went horribly awry. It was so cute when she

495
00:27:54,960 --> 00:27:57,600
Speaker 1: cut it. I was like, oh yeah, yeah, so she

496
00:27:57,680 --> 00:28:00,800
Speaker 1: died it. She tried to die it black, right, and

497
00:28:00,840 --> 00:28:06,159
Speaker 1: then it went green, went green, so she had to

498
00:28:06,200 --> 00:28:08,439
Speaker 1: cut it and it was super cute and she cut it.

499
00:28:08,480 --> 00:28:13,399
Speaker 1: But I know, like when you're I don't want to

500
00:28:13,440 --> 00:28:15,960
Speaker 1: diminish anything at all, because like when you're a kid,

501
00:28:16,000 --> 00:28:19,959
Speaker 1: those kinds of things are huge. That's so big and

502
00:28:20,080 --> 00:28:23,520
Speaker 1: so can hurt so bad and so embarrassing, and even

503
00:28:23,520 --> 00:28:25,679
Speaker 1: as an adult, but I just know, I think as

504
00:28:25,720 --> 00:28:28,679
Speaker 1: adults we tend to dismiss that kind of stuff, but

505
00:28:28,720 --> 00:28:32,200
Speaker 1: it is huge, it is we shouldn't dismiss it. But yeah,

506
00:28:32,240 --> 00:28:34,480
Speaker 1: for her to have that kind of constant and that's

507
00:28:34,520 --> 00:28:36,080
Speaker 1: what my friend had said, like it's the first thing

508
00:28:36,080 --> 00:28:38,400
Speaker 1: people say when they meet her all the time. It's

509
00:28:38,440 --> 00:28:42,480
Speaker 1: like about your hair. And clearly for Ann it had

510
00:28:42,520 --> 00:28:46,840
Speaker 1: been stigmatized. It was something she didn't like about herself.

511
00:28:47,840 --> 00:28:50,520
Speaker 1: It felt like it made her ugly. And so when

512
00:28:50,560 --> 00:28:55,320
Speaker 1: it was like constantly brought up, Uh, you just got

513
00:28:55,360 --> 00:28:59,920
Speaker 1: to see this very angry side of Anne. But also

514
00:29:00,400 --> 00:29:04,959
Speaker 1: the insecure side, the insecurity of having it constantly brought up.

515
00:29:05,200 --> 00:29:07,240
Speaker 1: I mean she has a temper, She does not hold back.

516
00:29:08,000 --> 00:29:11,400
Speaker 1: We know this. She defends herself and I appreciate that. Yeah,

517
00:29:11,520 --> 00:29:14,920
Speaker 1: oh yeah, I mean she and she's got away with words.

518
00:29:15,520 --> 00:29:18,400
Speaker 1: So as you said, like we get to see it's

519
00:29:18,440 --> 00:29:20,480
Speaker 1: kind of fun to get her to like really give

520
00:29:20,560 --> 00:29:24,880
Speaker 1: like Rachel Lynn for instance, like really cutter down this size. Yes,

521
00:29:25,240 --> 00:29:27,360
Speaker 1: but then to see her kind of do her like

522
00:29:27,920 --> 00:29:31,560
Speaker 1: apology that she I won't say it's like fake, but

523
00:29:31,720 --> 00:29:33,920
Speaker 1: she's doing it as an act because she loves like

524
00:29:33,960 --> 00:29:37,440
Speaker 1: the dramatics of language and putting words together. Like to

525
00:29:37,560 --> 00:29:40,880
Speaker 1: see that kind of dichotomy and Rachel Lynn being totally

526
00:29:41,040 --> 00:29:45,640
Speaker 1: like buying it is very fun. It is uh. And

527
00:29:45,680 --> 00:29:47,880
Speaker 1: then of course with the orphan girl is the idea

528
00:29:47,960 --> 00:29:52,120
Speaker 1: that she's wild and untamable, which kind of isn't implied

529
00:29:52,160 --> 00:29:54,440
Speaker 1: by Rachel Lynn at the very beginning talking about she's

530
00:29:54,560 --> 00:29:57,719
Speaker 1: just wild and oh my gosh, that's so rude and

531
00:29:57,720 --> 00:30:01,040
Speaker 1: I'm so uncivilized. We see that, and that's kind of

532
00:30:01,080 --> 00:30:03,520
Speaker 1: that thing is kind of what we see. That's always

533
00:30:03,520 --> 00:30:05,960
Speaker 1: a part of her which wants to run free, the

534
00:30:06,280 --> 00:30:10,400
Speaker 1: just independence that has always been her. As much as

535
00:30:10,400 --> 00:30:12,320
Speaker 1: she wants to belong, she also wants to be free.

536
00:30:13,120 --> 00:30:15,760
Speaker 1: Is that conversation, which we find out more into the sequel.

537
00:30:15,880 --> 00:30:19,800
Speaker 1: I'm just saying another part of this, and I don't know.

538
00:30:20,040 --> 00:30:22,280
Speaker 1: I think you and I have talked about how growing

539
00:30:22,320 --> 00:30:25,800
Speaker 1: up we would make we would make believe specific errors.

540
00:30:25,840 --> 00:30:29,880
Speaker 1: For me, I loved nineteen hundreds, early nineteen hundreds. For me,

541
00:30:29,920 --> 00:30:31,880
Speaker 1: I would imagine what it would be like to write

542
00:30:31,880 --> 00:30:34,320
Speaker 1: by candlelight, which sounds horrible because I can't see today,

543
00:30:34,360 --> 00:30:36,880
Speaker 1: so I don't think that's great. But as a kid

544
00:30:37,000 --> 00:30:39,520
Speaker 1: like I had those long dresses and sitting by the

545
00:30:39,600 --> 00:30:42,600
Speaker 1: fire and not having electricity, what that would be like?

546
00:30:43,640 --> 00:30:45,760
Speaker 1: Which was this? So between this and Little Women, I

547
00:30:45,760 --> 00:30:49,520
Speaker 1: was really caught up. But I love that this is

548
00:30:49,560 --> 00:30:52,959
Speaker 1: a part of Anne's world where she has so much imagination,

549
00:30:52,960 --> 00:30:55,240
Speaker 1: which she talks about as a strength and it is,

550
00:30:55,760 --> 00:30:57,880
Speaker 1: and where everybody else tried to take that away from her,

551
00:30:58,200 --> 00:30:59,840
Speaker 1: telling her to get her heads out of the cloud.

552
00:31:00,000 --> 00:31:04,120
Speaker 1: Its unrealistic expectations, but she lives in and loves it,

553
00:31:04,320 --> 00:31:06,959
Speaker 1: thrives in it, and it's been something that has been

554
00:31:07,000 --> 00:31:09,960
Speaker 1: able to carry her on through all the bad parts

555
00:31:10,360 --> 00:31:12,640
Speaker 1: even when people are mean, and she honestly talks about

556
00:31:12,640 --> 00:31:15,840
Speaker 1: the fact that when Rachel Lynne doesn't have any imagination

557
00:31:15,920 --> 00:31:18,560
Speaker 1: and she doesn't can't understand why these bad things may

558
00:31:18,560 --> 00:31:20,920
Speaker 1: happen or these things that happened, but she does, and

559
00:31:20,920 --> 00:31:24,680
Speaker 1: so she's there, she's able to have compassion on people.

560
00:31:24,880 --> 00:31:27,520
Speaker 1: You know, That's what she kind of implies. We see

561
00:31:27,560 --> 00:31:29,840
Speaker 1: her talking about how rich people don't have much imaginations

562
00:31:29,840 --> 00:31:32,160
Speaker 1: because they don't have to dream it up, because they

563
00:31:32,200 --> 00:31:36,680
Speaker 1: have it in the illusion. Like I love that theme

564
00:31:36,920 --> 00:31:40,000
Speaker 1: so much, and growing up in my own trauma and

565
00:31:40,000 --> 00:31:42,600
Speaker 1: I know you know this, that's what we did. We

566
00:31:42,680 --> 00:31:45,920
Speaker 1: had to have imagination to survive the next day. Yeah,

567
00:31:46,160 --> 00:31:50,440
Speaker 1: And I really loved that too, because I love how

568
00:31:51,880 --> 00:31:55,479
Speaker 1: I feel like the imagination we see depicted in children.

569
00:31:55,480 --> 00:31:57,800
Speaker 1: A lot in movies, we do see kind of the

570
00:31:57,880 --> 00:32:00,720
Speaker 1: like trauma, I'm imagining my way out, definitely, But a

571
00:32:00,760 --> 00:32:03,160
Speaker 1: lot of times I liked how Anne had this kind

572
00:32:03,200 --> 00:32:06,760
Speaker 1: of like you don't even have the imagination to imagine

573
00:32:06,800 --> 00:32:09,800
Speaker 1: the bad part of this. She was kind of looking

574
00:32:09,840 --> 00:32:12,000
Speaker 1: at both. She was like, I can imagine much better,

575
00:32:12,040 --> 00:32:14,280
Speaker 1: I can imagine much worse, and you can't imagine either.

576
00:32:14,400 --> 00:32:19,000
Speaker 1: You have no writing. Yeah, so I really appreciated, right.

577
00:32:19,320 --> 00:32:24,640
Speaker 1: And she created a friend, Katherine with a k because

578
00:32:25,040 --> 00:32:27,800
Speaker 1: she needed someone. And she talks about wanting to be

579
00:32:27,880 --> 00:32:30,560
Speaker 1: in that world, wanted to be in the mirror world,

580
00:32:30,600 --> 00:32:32,960
Speaker 1: and how beautiful that would be. And this is what

581
00:32:33,080 --> 00:32:37,280
Speaker 1: she did to survive, especially six months of being uh

582
00:32:37,360 --> 00:32:39,320
Speaker 1: in an orphanage which would never hear her talk about

583
00:32:39,320 --> 00:32:42,160
Speaker 1: again after beating Diana, which is gorgeous and beautiful. I

584
00:32:42,280 --> 00:32:45,160
Speaker 1: love it, um. And of course another big part of

585
00:32:45,160 --> 00:32:50,880
Speaker 1: this is family finding, family finding belonging, with both Marilla

586
00:32:51,000 --> 00:32:54,080
Speaker 1: and Matthew having two sides of the same coin, one

587
00:32:54,160 --> 00:32:57,360
Speaker 1: really tough but still loving, one really kind hearted but quiet.

588
00:32:57,480 --> 00:33:00,360
Speaker 1: Like just having that in our life it is sgic

589
00:33:00,400 --> 00:33:03,240
Speaker 1: wargeous picture. I just really like the fact that there

590
00:33:03,320 --> 00:33:07,240
Speaker 1: is an unconventional family who found balance. Yeah. I liked

591
00:33:07,280 --> 00:33:13,160
Speaker 1: that too, because if at first, and I blame heteronormative material,

592
00:33:13,640 --> 00:33:17,600
Speaker 1: I assumed that they were together like Matthew and Marilla, um,

593
00:33:17,720 --> 00:33:19,960
Speaker 1: and then I found out Marilla's got this kind of

594
00:33:20,000 --> 00:33:24,360
Speaker 1: tragic like love story in her past and brother and sister.

595
00:33:25,040 --> 00:33:29,000
Speaker 1: I like how Matthew was pretty immediately like no, I think,

596
00:33:29,360 --> 00:33:31,600
Speaker 1: and it would be good for us, it seems to

597
00:33:31,680 --> 00:33:35,160
Speaker 1: kind of know Marilla will arrive at the same the

598
00:33:35,200 --> 00:33:39,480
Speaker 1: same understanding. But it was cool, it was it was Yeah,

599
00:33:39,520 --> 00:33:42,080
Speaker 1: it was just a really good like foil for each

600
00:33:42,120 --> 00:33:44,160
Speaker 1: other because Matthew was so quiet, but he was much

601
00:33:44,160 --> 00:33:49,080
Speaker 1: more like openly entertained, whereas Marilla was more outspoken, kind

602
00:33:49,080 --> 00:33:53,680
Speaker 1: of like hiding her affection and her entertainment and and

603
00:33:53,840 --> 00:34:00,280
Speaker 1: of course it's just like open everything. Um, so those

604
00:34:00,360 --> 00:34:05,200
Speaker 1: in connected. Yeah, it was. It was a lovely thing

605
00:34:05,320 --> 00:34:11,680
Speaker 1: to see, um and it was very I liked seeing

606
00:34:11,680 --> 00:34:13,719
Speaker 1: all of them interact with each other and kind of

607
00:34:13,760 --> 00:34:18,720
Speaker 1: grow with each other. And I love the like eventual fondness,

608
00:34:19,960 --> 00:34:22,239
Speaker 1: like with Matthew was always there, but eventually it kind

609
00:34:22,280 --> 00:34:25,040
Speaker 1: of became more, oh, I'll get her this dress, even

610
00:34:25,160 --> 00:34:26,719
Speaker 1: I'm so embarrassed and I don't know what to do

611
00:34:27,880 --> 00:34:30,520
Speaker 1: because Anne really wants it. And with marill ity became

612
00:34:30,600 --> 00:34:33,359
Speaker 1: much more like from how do you get in all

613
00:34:33,400 --> 00:34:36,160
Speaker 1: these troubles child? To how do you get like a

614
00:34:36,239 --> 00:34:41,440
Speaker 1: fond like how did you would say? Door? Fun facts?

615
00:34:42,000 --> 00:34:44,040
Speaker 1: Now this is I cannot remember where I found this

616
00:34:44,239 --> 00:34:46,240
Speaker 1: or if I watched this doing one of the behind

617
00:34:46,239 --> 00:34:49,480
Speaker 1: the scene things, but apparently the act was Colleen Dhurst

618
00:34:49,680 --> 00:34:52,760
Speaker 1: was someone vulgar and would kind of like make jokes

619
00:34:52,840 --> 00:34:55,440
Speaker 1: and and like and laugh and like all these things

620
00:34:55,520 --> 00:34:59,360
Speaker 1: behind the scene and because really loved her, which I

621
00:34:59,440 --> 00:35:02,520
Speaker 1: believe even Megan follows with sixteen, so she was pretty young.

622
00:35:02,960 --> 00:35:05,239
Speaker 1: She was playing eleven twelve year old, so older, but

623
00:35:05,360 --> 00:35:08,960
Speaker 1: not the significant that we've seen. By the next sequel,

624
00:35:09,400 --> 00:35:11,040
Speaker 1: she plays an eighteen nineteen year old, so she kind

625
00:35:11,040 --> 00:35:12,799
Speaker 1: of fits into that. She even looks older than though

626
00:35:12,840 --> 00:35:15,680
Speaker 1: I don't even know how um she fits that ah

627
00:35:16,120 --> 00:35:18,839
Speaker 1: h range at that point in time, but apparently, like

628
00:35:18,920 --> 00:35:21,880
Speaker 1: that's what I had read. No, don't quote me on that,

629
00:35:21,920 --> 00:35:23,640
Speaker 1: but I'm pretty sure I read that she was kind

630
00:35:23,640 --> 00:35:25,400
Speaker 1: of one of those people because she was a famous

631
00:35:25,640 --> 00:35:28,000
Speaker 1: stage actress, and she was a famous actress at that point,

632
00:35:28,120 --> 00:35:33,600
Speaker 1: already calling Dewhurst um. And then for Farnsworth, who played Matthew,

633
00:35:33,800 --> 00:35:37,040
Speaker 1: he was actually a stuntman and this was one of

634
00:35:37,040 --> 00:35:40,360
Speaker 1: his first acting gigs and eventually he did to win awards,

635
00:35:40,480 --> 00:35:46,600
Speaker 1: but still best Matthew. I still hold to that, so

636
00:35:46,680 --> 00:35:49,640
Speaker 1: good um. And then yes, we couldn't not talking about

637
00:35:49,640 --> 00:35:53,560
Speaker 1: the friendships, the friendship she had been aching for because

638
00:35:53,560 --> 00:35:56,719
Speaker 1: she had been so alone and she just knew it

639
00:35:56,760 --> 00:35:59,200
Speaker 1: existed and it was out there and it was She

640
00:35:59,360 --> 00:36:03,760
Speaker 1: built so many good bonds, but Diana her bosom, kindred spirit.

641
00:36:05,440 --> 00:36:09,920
Speaker 1: I love the relationship so so much, and poor Diane,

642
00:36:09,960 --> 00:36:11,960
Speaker 1: I felt like she was like, what is happening? And

643
00:36:12,000 --> 00:36:15,720
Speaker 1: who is this girl? Yeah? I love it too because

644
00:36:15,840 --> 00:36:18,960
Speaker 1: it reminded me of when I was nine years old.

645
00:36:19,080 --> 00:36:22,960
Speaker 1: I lived in a small town. Our houses at that

646
00:36:23,000 --> 00:36:25,879
Speaker 1: time were pretty spread apart in the area I've lived in.

647
00:36:26,040 --> 00:36:29,320
Speaker 1: And my friend Katie the Redheaded I've been talking about

648
00:36:29,640 --> 00:36:32,120
Speaker 1: she when I was nine, she moved into a house

649
00:36:32,160 --> 00:36:34,719
Speaker 1: that was near me, and I swear like I was like,

650
00:36:34,760 --> 00:36:36,759
Speaker 1: what is her phone number? I need to call her.

651
00:36:37,080 --> 00:36:39,960
Speaker 1: We're going to hang out, We're going to be best friends.

652
00:36:40,080 --> 00:36:42,880
Speaker 1: Like so this scene where Anne was like, we're going

653
00:36:42,960 --> 00:36:44,960
Speaker 1: to be best friends and Diana is kind of like

654
00:36:45,040 --> 00:36:47,400
Speaker 1: what I feel like I did that. I feel like

655
00:36:47,560 --> 00:36:51,080
Speaker 1: I lived that and we're still best friends. Um, and

656
00:36:51,120 --> 00:36:53,160
Speaker 1: I love it, And I think like we get so

657
00:36:53,160 --> 00:36:58,560
Speaker 1: many depictions of poor friendships between women in media, but

658
00:36:58,640 --> 00:37:02,120
Speaker 1: it's clear, like this longing is real for that like

659
00:37:02,800 --> 00:37:06,040
Speaker 1: your kindred spirit, your soul mate, who is a friend.

660
00:37:06,920 --> 00:37:11,719
Speaker 1: Friendships between women. Um, and I loved it. Like I said,

661
00:37:11,719 --> 00:37:13,279
Speaker 1: I kept waiting for the other shoe to drop, and

662
00:37:13,320 --> 00:37:19,400
Speaker 1: it really didn't. They were solid friendship, they were bosom friends.

663
00:37:20,360 --> 00:37:24,000
Speaker 1: They're amazing. My favorite saying is the walking in the

664
00:37:24,000 --> 00:37:28,000
Speaker 1: forest after she falls off the roof scene. Yeah, the

665
00:37:28,320 --> 00:37:31,440
Speaker 1: way that she scares herself, it is so fantastic. I

666
00:37:31,640 --> 00:37:34,200
Speaker 1: feel like, I don't know about you. I'm sure you

667
00:37:34,200 --> 00:37:36,759
Speaker 1: have many stories. But I had a friend of mine.

668
00:37:36,840 --> 00:37:38,920
Speaker 1: We would do silly things like that that would cause

669
00:37:39,000 --> 00:37:41,640
Speaker 1: us to get into trouble or make some make belief

670
00:37:41,760 --> 00:37:44,960
Speaker 1: thing and I loved it. And I missed those days

671
00:37:45,000 --> 00:37:47,640
Speaker 1: a little bit, not not enough to actually call them,

672
00:37:47,680 --> 00:37:52,440
Speaker 1: but you know stuff like that that is like wow, imagination,

673
00:37:52,680 --> 00:37:55,239
Speaker 1: the things that bond you do. Oh yeah, I mean

674
00:37:55,320 --> 00:37:56,960
Speaker 1: me and my friend Katie would go on the woods

675
00:37:56,960 --> 00:38:00,480
Speaker 1: and we would literally like take turns, tell each other

676
00:38:00,520 --> 00:38:03,720
Speaker 1: about the sand creature under the leaves and it's coming

677
00:38:03,880 --> 00:38:06,359
Speaker 1: and I can't hear you like it was so fun.

678
00:38:06,480 --> 00:38:09,360
Speaker 1: It was such like glorious. We spent a whole afternoon

679
00:38:09,480 --> 00:38:12,080
Speaker 1: just doing that and there was nothing there. It was right,

680
00:38:12,239 --> 00:38:14,560
Speaker 1: there was nothing. It was just your imagination, which we love.

681
00:38:15,400 --> 00:38:18,319
Speaker 1: But also I love her usage of kindred spirit, Like

682
00:38:18,360 --> 00:38:20,640
Speaker 1: I love those terms so much. I think that would

683
00:38:20,640 --> 00:38:23,319
Speaker 1: be the vibe check now, because if I passed the check.

684
00:38:23,800 --> 00:38:27,000
Speaker 1: But I'm just kidding. But like the kindred spirits, the

685
00:38:27,040 --> 00:38:29,560
Speaker 1: idea that you can connect with a person and though

686
00:38:29,600 --> 00:38:31,360
Speaker 1: that you may not be able to see it the

687
00:38:31,520 --> 00:38:34,319
Speaker 1: way or you connect, they are the one who is

688
00:38:34,360 --> 00:38:36,759
Speaker 1: on the same level as you and in spirit with you.

689
00:38:36,840 --> 00:38:40,839
Speaker 1: And that's I just love that, so I do too,

690
00:38:40,880 --> 00:38:44,000
Speaker 1: and I again like I also love None of that

691
00:38:44,080 --> 00:38:47,319
Speaker 1: was in the romantic context. All of that was just

692
00:38:47,560 --> 00:38:50,880
Speaker 1: the no, we are yeah, we are on the same level,

693
00:38:51,600 --> 00:38:57,279
Speaker 1: we are connecting, and it was all women from my memory. Yeah, No,

694
00:38:58,160 --> 00:39:01,400
Speaker 1: Matthew was a kindred spirit. Oh Matthew mm hmm. Yeah.

695
00:39:01,760 --> 00:39:05,880
Speaker 1: But there's nothing romantic, definitely, like it's a connection and

696
00:39:06,080 --> 00:39:11,880
Speaker 1: understanding that you you get get my ways. Yes, the

697
00:39:12,040 --> 00:39:14,880
Speaker 1: level of the small town, the conversations, you know, the

698
00:39:14,920 --> 00:39:18,400
Speaker 1: first scene, like the third fourth scene at the beginning,

699
00:39:18,440 --> 00:39:22,600
Speaker 1: we see Rachel Lynn watching Matthew in his suit traveling

700
00:39:22,600 --> 00:39:25,040
Speaker 1: not on a Sunday with a pipe. Oh my god,

701
00:39:25,080 --> 00:39:28,839
Speaker 1: what's happening? Mm hmmmm. And then that's kind of the

702
00:39:28,960 --> 00:39:32,680
Speaker 1: kerfuffle at the end with Gilbert and Anne is that

703
00:39:32,920 --> 00:39:36,160
Speaker 1: he offered her to her ride. She accepted it. Then

704
00:39:36,200 --> 00:39:38,920
Speaker 1: he offered her like, I'll take you to this concert

705
00:39:38,960 --> 00:39:41,319
Speaker 1: she was going to perform at. She accepted it, and

706
00:39:41,360 --> 00:39:43,880
Speaker 1: then it was like the talk of the town and

707
00:39:43,960 --> 00:39:45,799
Speaker 1: she was like, oh no, never mind, I won't go

708
00:39:45,840 --> 00:39:50,680
Speaker 1: with him, Diana, give him this note. I'm not going. Yeah,

709
00:39:51,000 --> 00:39:53,799
Speaker 1: but that's I mean, I know it kind of like

710
00:39:54,120 --> 00:39:56,880
Speaker 1: you know Bingo cards, Sinti Bingo card would be me

711
00:39:56,920 --> 00:40:00,400
Speaker 1: and Samantha from a small town. But it is like

712
00:40:00,480 --> 00:40:05,600
Speaker 1: these things are true and real and they influence your decisions.

713
00:40:06,000 --> 00:40:09,080
Speaker 1: I remember my mother saying, so I heard you were

714
00:40:09,239 --> 00:40:11,200
Speaker 1: driving a little too fast in town. We need to

715
00:40:11,200 --> 00:40:17,480
Speaker 1: talk about what it's like the tiniest like I heard

716
00:40:17,520 --> 00:40:21,120
Speaker 1: you get the milkshake at Windy's or whatever. You shouldn't

717
00:40:21,160 --> 00:40:24,200
Speaker 1: be doing that, And it's like who saw me? How

718
00:40:24,880 --> 00:40:28,600
Speaker 1: told on me? Who's not right? But I do love that.

719
00:40:28,680 --> 00:40:31,799
Speaker 1: And then we have the independent woman old maid the

720
00:40:31,800 --> 00:40:33,759
Speaker 1: slashes Quora, how you look get it? And we talked

721
00:40:33,760 --> 00:40:37,800
Speaker 1: about it before about all those strong, really independent women

722
00:40:38,200 --> 00:40:40,719
Speaker 1: who still has a lingering of guilt. So we're gonna

723
00:40:40,719 --> 00:40:42,520
Speaker 1: talk about the fact that this is like the feminism

724
00:40:42,520 --> 00:40:46,880
Speaker 1: probably of the like Montgomery, we did want to establish

725
00:40:46,960 --> 00:40:50,280
Speaker 1: probably these characters I could be wrong in being alone,

726
00:40:50,400 --> 00:40:52,640
Speaker 1: but they could not be completely happy, because at that

727
00:40:52,680 --> 00:40:55,000
Speaker 1: point in time, you really a single woman should not

728
00:40:55,040 --> 00:40:59,640
Speaker 1: be correct right right. It was definitely as I said, Um,

729
00:40:59,760 --> 00:41:04,279
Speaker 1: the older Mrs Ms Barry Um said, like, you know,

730
00:41:04,400 --> 00:41:07,919
Speaker 1: I got the money, but sometimes that's not sometimes I missed.

731
00:41:07,920 --> 00:41:10,279
Speaker 1: I think I missed out, or that's not everything. And

732
00:41:10,320 --> 00:41:12,520
Speaker 1: I felt like the implication was maybe you should look

733
00:41:12,560 --> 00:41:15,040
Speaker 1: at Gilbert and maybe I'm wrong, and that that's a

734
00:41:15,120 --> 00:41:17,320
Speaker 1: fine like opinion to have. But then there was also

735
00:41:17,400 --> 00:41:21,799
Speaker 1: throughout kind of this understanding of if you pursue your

736
00:41:21,840 --> 00:41:26,759
Speaker 1: independence as a woman, you won't get the man. So

737
00:41:26,880 --> 00:41:29,520
Speaker 1: even like there were plenty of independent women throughout, which

738
00:41:29,560 --> 00:41:33,600
Speaker 1: I loved, but the implication also was like they're independent,

739
00:41:33,680 --> 00:41:37,440
Speaker 1: so they couldn't get the man. And then also throughout

740
00:41:37,480 --> 00:41:40,480
Speaker 1: there was this kind of like with Anne, I'd rather

741
00:41:40,600 --> 00:41:43,120
Speaker 1: be beautiful than smart, Like you can't be both. You

742
00:41:43,200 --> 00:41:47,960
Speaker 1: have to be beautiful or smart. So I feel like

743
00:41:48,440 --> 00:41:52,280
Speaker 1: this is kind of the early understanding of a woman

744
00:41:52,520 --> 00:41:54,640
Speaker 1: can't have it all, she has to either be kind

745
00:41:54,640 --> 00:41:59,360
Speaker 1: of that the homemaker beautiful to get the man, or

746
00:41:59,440 --> 00:42:02,759
Speaker 1: the independ smart woman who will never get the man.

747
00:42:02,800 --> 00:42:05,319
Speaker 1: And this is all very heteronormative, and I don't I

748
00:42:05,320 --> 00:42:08,040
Speaker 1: don't believe this, but this is right. But this is

749
00:42:08,080 --> 00:42:10,480
Speaker 1: the hundreds. And when we talk about and we will

750
00:42:10,520 --> 00:42:14,680
Speaker 1: talk about Jane Austen, that was that similar phase as well.

751
00:42:14,680 --> 00:42:17,080
Speaker 1: But we know that Jane Austen's history was a little dark,

752
00:42:17,480 --> 00:42:20,920
Speaker 1: uh in her own life because of that very conversation

753
00:42:21,000 --> 00:42:23,600
Speaker 1: about uh, not necessarily that you can't have it all,

754
00:42:23,800 --> 00:42:25,840
Speaker 1: but more so that women are not going to survive

755
00:42:25,920 --> 00:42:27,920
Speaker 1: without a man and if you try to do that,

756
00:42:27,960 --> 00:42:31,160
Speaker 1: you're going to fail. So it's it's so therefore trying

757
00:42:31,200 --> 00:42:33,520
Speaker 1: to be that way with the most independence that you

758
00:42:33,600 --> 00:42:36,880
Speaker 1: can have, which is what she's trying to do. You

759
00:42:36,920 --> 00:42:38,719
Speaker 1: see this in the same way, Miss Stacey is a

760
00:42:38,760 --> 00:42:42,360
Speaker 1: prime example of coming in her loving her life, or

761
00:42:42,719 --> 00:42:44,600
Speaker 1: a looking up to her and seeing her as a

762
00:42:44,680 --> 00:42:47,719
Speaker 1: role model, and then Miss Stacy saying, I have my

763
00:42:47,800 --> 00:42:51,719
Speaker 1: own troubles. We don't know what those troubles are, but

764
00:42:51,840 --> 00:42:55,200
Speaker 1: she's gone and we know that it pretty much ran

765
00:42:55,280 --> 00:42:58,400
Speaker 1: her out of Avonlea for what reason we don't know,

766
00:42:58,440 --> 00:43:00,160
Speaker 1: but she was one of the best teachers for what

767
00:43:00,280 --> 00:43:03,759
Speaker 1: we can tell that was there. Um. I mean the

768
00:43:03,840 --> 00:43:06,359
Speaker 1: dude before was literally courting one of the women, one

769
00:43:06,360 --> 00:43:17,480
Speaker 1: of the kids, and although it was frowned upon eventually,

770
00:43:17,719 --> 00:43:21,200
Speaker 1: but it was like wow, okay um and he did

771
00:43:21,239 --> 00:43:24,400
Speaker 1: not like Anne, but he knew she was smart. Like

772
00:43:24,440 --> 00:43:26,880
Speaker 1: all of those things, like we know that that's what happened.

773
00:43:26,920 --> 00:43:29,960
Speaker 1: We know that there's an implication here. Marilla says, the

774
00:43:30,040 --> 00:43:32,799
Speaker 1: same people people talk about her behind her back for

775
00:43:32,920 --> 00:43:36,919
Speaker 1: losing lob essentially not as much just on Matthew, even

776
00:43:36,920 --> 00:43:40,960
Speaker 1: though he is alone, but you know whatever, um on.

777
00:43:40,960 --> 00:43:43,560
Speaker 1: On top of that, I do love the scene where

778
00:43:44,000 --> 00:43:46,879
Speaker 1: miss Stacy comes and talks to them about the dead

779
00:43:46,960 --> 00:43:50,879
Speaker 1: mouth scene about her doing the extra classes, and Marilla says,

780
00:43:50,920 --> 00:43:55,360
Speaker 1: I've always thought that a young woman should have should

781
00:43:55,400 --> 00:43:58,640
Speaker 1: be prepared to make their own living, just in case

782
00:43:58,680 --> 00:44:01,280
Speaker 1: in these uncertain times, which I'm like, that's nineteen hundreds.

783
00:44:01,440 --> 00:44:07,839
Speaker 1: Go ahead, and Marolla, you are really progressive. But yeah,

784
00:44:07,880 --> 00:44:11,120
Speaker 1: you're right. That was a conversation too. Through out of

785
00:44:11,239 --> 00:44:14,600
Speaker 1: like there was a lot of that small town like

786
00:44:14,640 --> 00:44:18,120
Speaker 1: talking behind people's backs, and for Marilla to be alone

787
00:44:18,160 --> 00:44:22,520
Speaker 1: and to have like lost this love clearly people were

788
00:44:22,560 --> 00:44:30,120
Speaker 1: kind of talking about it and sort of raising their eyebrow. Okay,

789
00:44:30,320 --> 00:44:33,520
Speaker 1: like I'm becoming you are now I can't I can't

790
00:44:33,560 --> 00:44:35,960
Speaker 1: stop it. And you know, also, I love that they

791
00:44:36,000 --> 00:44:39,719
Speaker 1: actually do focus on Anne's academics on all of that,

792
00:44:39,800 --> 00:44:42,359
Speaker 1: like they do push her to become more and they

793
00:44:42,400 --> 00:44:45,680
Speaker 1: are celebrating her for being so smart. There's no conversation

794
00:44:45,719 --> 00:44:47,520
Speaker 1: about you're not gonna give man if you're too smart.

795
00:44:48,000 --> 00:44:51,520
Speaker 1: Well kind of of course, Rachel has one word to say,

796
00:44:51,600 --> 00:44:55,120
Speaker 1: but then Marilla cuts her off very quickly. But outside

797
00:44:55,120 --> 00:44:58,120
Speaker 1: of that, people celebrate this. People are pushing hard to

798
00:44:58,120 --> 00:45:01,880
Speaker 1: be this. This is competition is yours, and people are celebrating,

799
00:45:02,000 --> 00:45:07,040
Speaker 1: including Gilbert, including Gilbert, including Gilbert. And I mean again,

800
00:45:08,000 --> 00:45:10,720
Speaker 1: when I was like, oh this is from early Ninetreds,

801
00:45:10,760 --> 00:45:14,080
Speaker 1: I was like, oh wow, because at that time, I'm

802
00:45:14,200 --> 00:45:18,680
Speaker 1: that was pretty uncommon to see her to year and

803
00:45:18,719 --> 00:45:21,960
Speaker 1: there was certainly like a layer of like it was

804
00:45:22,080 --> 00:45:24,440
Speaker 1: very minimal, actually, but there was a layer of like, wow,

805
00:45:24,560 --> 00:45:26,600
Speaker 1: look what she can do is like an orphan and

806
00:45:26,640 --> 00:45:30,560
Speaker 1: a woman. But mostly it was just like, yeah, you

807
00:45:30,680 --> 00:45:35,400
Speaker 1: get it. Yeah, I'm talking about how she's doing. Avonulee

808
00:45:35,400 --> 00:45:40,680
Speaker 1: proud and she is go ahead. Um, but I love that.

809
00:45:40,719 --> 00:45:44,320
Speaker 1: I think that's It's like, it is so progressive for

810
00:45:44,360 --> 00:45:47,040
Speaker 1: a time being. Again, if this is different in the books,

811
00:45:47,040 --> 00:45:48,560
Speaker 1: please let us know, because I do want to know.

812
00:45:48,680 --> 00:45:51,120
Speaker 1: I don't think it's too far for it far string

813
00:45:51,280 --> 00:45:55,080
Speaker 1: for this one. But I love that whole avenue that

814
00:45:55,160 --> 00:45:58,439
Speaker 1: she loves studying, she loves being on top, and she's

815
00:45:58,520 --> 00:46:02,920
Speaker 1: going to be on top. Oh yeah, which leads into like,

816
00:46:03,000 --> 00:46:05,360
Speaker 1: this is the feminism in nineteen hundred's right. So the

817
00:46:05,400 --> 00:46:09,399
Speaker 1: conversation in this paper that I am talking about, uh,

818
00:46:09,480 --> 00:46:13,000
Speaker 1: talks about the fact that yes, she celebrates her being

819
00:46:13,000 --> 00:46:15,399
Speaker 1: independent and a little bit wild and doing her own

820
00:46:15,440 --> 00:46:19,359
Speaker 1: thing and being imaginative, but eventually still comes to as

821
00:46:19,520 --> 00:46:23,640
Speaker 1: as she grows accustomed to society and cultural norms, she

822
00:46:23,800 --> 00:46:26,239
Speaker 1: does settle into I just I'm just going to be

823
00:46:26,280 --> 00:46:30,760
Speaker 1: a teacher, staying at home and settling down and spoiler alert.

824
00:46:30,920 --> 00:46:34,959
Speaker 1: In the books, Mary's Gilbert and has children and that's

825
00:46:35,000 --> 00:46:37,640
Speaker 1: her story. That's that does not sound into the story,

826
00:46:37,680 --> 00:46:40,239
Speaker 1: But she does end up these ways which she was

827
00:46:40,280 --> 00:46:45,560
Speaker 1: so fearful of of, partially in in other ways. So

828
00:46:45,640 --> 00:46:48,439
Speaker 1: it's really interesting to see. But it's kind of how

829
00:46:48,920 --> 00:46:51,520
Speaker 1: we'll talk about and how I see it with Jane Austen.

830
00:46:52,040 --> 00:46:56,000
Speaker 1: For what it was, it's revolutionary, but for today Sanders

831
00:46:56,239 --> 00:47:12,440
Speaker 1: is not so great in itself. But they also talk

832
00:47:12,520 --> 00:47:16,120
Speaker 1: about the idea of eco feminism and a being Gables,

833
00:47:16,640 --> 00:47:21,120
Speaker 1: giving up the connection to nature and becoming a proper lady.

834
00:47:21,200 --> 00:47:23,440
Speaker 1: So the idea as you let go of the natural

835
00:47:23,560 --> 00:47:29,160
Speaker 1: wild person, the untainted from civilized society quote unquote, to

836
00:47:29,320 --> 00:47:33,520
Speaker 1: become a part of the norm, to be a proper lady.

837
00:47:34,000 --> 00:47:36,520
Speaker 1: And so they kind of have this whole breakdown, Uh

838
00:47:36,600 --> 00:47:39,319
Speaker 1: it's a Swedish paper by the way about it, and

839
00:47:39,360 --> 00:47:41,520
Speaker 1: they break down the orphan any of the young any

840
00:47:41,520 --> 00:47:46,320
Speaker 1: to adult Annie and how it has changed her. Um

841
00:47:46,360 --> 00:47:50,640
Speaker 1: the idea that's combining feminist aspects and ecocritical aspects that

842
00:47:50,760 --> 00:47:54,160
Speaker 1: in order to argue that as wilderness a quote as

843
00:47:54,280 --> 00:47:57,840
Speaker 1: wildness and her fearless freedom for society's pressing judgments are

844
00:47:57,920 --> 00:48:00,799
Speaker 1: highly connected to her own connection to nature. So it

845
00:48:00,880 --> 00:48:03,879
Speaker 1: has this whole level of of her and and like

846
00:48:03,920 --> 00:48:06,800
Speaker 1: when you see her come into Avon Lee, she's like,

847
00:48:06,880 --> 00:48:09,920
Speaker 1: oh my God, like she is actually awestruck for a

848
00:48:10,000 --> 00:48:12,759
Speaker 1: second about the beauties of it and when we talk

849
00:48:12,800 --> 00:48:15,400
Speaker 1: about her going into the city life, quote unquote, she

850
00:48:15,440 --> 00:48:19,160
Speaker 1: talks about how she misses and longs for the sounds

851
00:48:19,160 --> 00:48:22,560
Speaker 1: and the quietness of Avon Lee. But the fact, like

852
00:48:22,719 --> 00:48:25,080
Speaker 1: the comparing her when she was not a part of

853
00:48:25,080 --> 00:48:26,759
Speaker 1: society and when she was not a proper lady and

854
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Speaker 1: she was just a wild orphan versus what happens to

855
00:48:30,000 --> 00:48:33,200
Speaker 1: her when she does become that Does her feminism change

856
00:48:33,239 --> 00:48:35,440
Speaker 1: a little bit? Has that taken that away from her

857
00:48:36,360 --> 00:48:39,600
Speaker 1: and this big like part of who she is in society?

858
00:48:40,160 --> 00:48:43,080
Speaker 1: Has she came to herself it kind of stepped away

859
00:48:43,080 --> 00:48:47,200
Speaker 1: from her feminism to become a part of the patriarch,

860
00:48:47,400 --> 00:48:52,560
Speaker 1: which is the discidal norm of that time and today

861
00:48:52,640 --> 00:48:55,640
Speaker 1: even And I found that very interesting in this conversation

862
00:48:55,680 --> 00:49:00,560
Speaker 1: because again when we talk about the academics of and

863
00:49:00,560 --> 00:49:04,160
Speaker 1: in her her pursuits and again you'll see and in

864
00:49:04,239 --> 00:49:06,600
Speaker 1: the sequel, of course, this is talking about the books,

865
00:49:06,600 --> 00:49:09,200
Speaker 1: but in the sequel of the movie, Yeah, it kind

866
00:49:09,200 --> 00:49:12,640
Speaker 1: of explores that longing to be independent and to travel

867
00:49:12,719 --> 00:49:18,480
Speaker 1: and to be adventurous. But then coming back to but

868
00:49:18,560 --> 00:49:24,719
Speaker 1: what am I missing? Yeah, I think that that is

869
00:49:24,800 --> 00:49:26,759
Speaker 1: the question Smith. I think that is a question that

870
00:49:26,880 --> 00:49:31,560
Speaker 1: is huge for a lot of of women that we've

871
00:49:31,600 --> 00:49:36,840
Speaker 1: talked about before, because like they are just certain structural,

872
00:49:36,920 --> 00:49:44,400
Speaker 1: systemic things that are hard to escape. And I think

873
00:49:44,640 --> 00:49:51,400
Speaker 1: that it's, you know, if you want to you find somebody,

874
00:49:51,880 --> 00:49:54,399
Speaker 1: you love them in this head or nord of sense,

875
00:49:54,440 --> 00:49:56,600
Speaker 1: a man and a woman, you love them, you get married.

876
00:49:56,800 --> 00:50:00,200
Speaker 1: We can't deny that there are still structural thing things

877
00:50:00,239 --> 00:50:03,360
Speaker 1: in favor of the man and the relationship and the woman.

878
00:50:03,560 --> 00:50:07,920
Speaker 1: So it's like it's hard to escape. I guess that's

879
00:50:07,920 --> 00:50:10,560
Speaker 1: what I'm saying. And so when you talk about like

880
00:50:10,600 --> 00:50:14,839
Speaker 1: the city life, it almost feels like you're talking about, oh,

881
00:50:14,880 --> 00:50:17,360
Speaker 1: how do I fit into these structures that we have

882
00:50:17,480 --> 00:50:22,640
Speaker 1: in place? And for this in particular, there's sort of

883
00:50:22,680 --> 00:50:27,240
Speaker 1: this dichotomy of her like you know, at Green Gables

884
00:50:27,280 --> 00:50:33,120
Speaker 1: in the wild Um, being very like independent and then

885
00:50:33,200 --> 00:50:36,399
Speaker 1: her going in to the city, which she also likes,

886
00:50:36,400 --> 00:50:38,400
Speaker 1: since she says and she wants to experience those things,

887
00:50:38,760 --> 00:50:42,440
Speaker 1: but it requires a certain level of conformity to not

888
00:50:42,560 --> 00:50:48,680
Speaker 1: be like shunned from society, right, and absolutely I think

889
00:50:48,719 --> 00:50:51,080
Speaker 1: that's kind of her whole thing is to fit in.

890
00:50:51,600 --> 00:50:54,920
Speaker 1: But if she's going to be seeing she wants to

891
00:50:54,920 --> 00:50:57,319
Speaker 1: be seen in the best light, UM, and what does

892
00:50:57,320 --> 00:51:00,279
Speaker 1: that look like in this type of society? UH want

893
00:51:00,320 --> 00:51:03,759
Speaker 1: to go into one thing that this paper says. It

894
00:51:03,840 --> 00:51:06,520
Speaker 1: says another thing that appears in the novel is the

895
00:51:06,560 --> 00:51:10,040
Speaker 1: wish to fit in, um, to be normal. Regarding this,

896
00:51:10,239 --> 00:51:13,040
Speaker 1: one can also see strong connection between women and nature

897
00:51:13,440 --> 00:51:16,160
Speaker 1: and was forced to cave to society both regarding the

898
00:51:16,200 --> 00:51:18,759
Speaker 1: feminists and the eco critical aspects of her life and

899
00:51:18,800 --> 00:51:22,120
Speaker 1: adapt accordingly. Again, this is about the novel, but I

900
00:51:22,120 --> 00:51:23,880
Speaker 1: think it's chosen the movie and just kind of that

901
00:51:23,960 --> 00:51:26,719
Speaker 1: theme and in general about like I am my own

902
00:51:26,800 --> 00:51:28,680
Speaker 1: person and don't take my spirit from me. By the

903
00:51:28,680 --> 00:51:31,439
Speaker 1: same time, yes, I do have to acclimate and or

904
00:51:31,680 --> 00:51:36,320
Speaker 1: stand out and the best way possible, right, Yeah, exactly,

905
00:51:36,360 --> 00:51:40,880
Speaker 1: because I think she it was a very fine line

906
00:51:40,920 --> 00:51:44,239
Speaker 1: she was walking, because the reason she got a lot

907
00:51:44,280 --> 00:51:46,839
Speaker 1: of the attention she did was because she didn't fit in.

908
00:51:47,160 --> 00:51:50,960
Speaker 1: And so especially like I'm thinking of the older Ms.

909
00:51:50,960 --> 00:51:53,400
Speaker 1: Barry who's like, oh you make me laugh, Oh, and

910
00:51:53,440 --> 00:51:55,080
Speaker 1: I really like you. You speak your mind, and a

911
00:51:55,120 --> 00:51:57,879
Speaker 1: lot of people in this city life don't. But then

912
00:51:57,960 --> 00:52:02,960
Speaker 1: at the same time it was her having to figure out,

913
00:52:03,719 --> 00:52:09,440
Speaker 1: you know, you can't do these things without having to

914
00:52:09,520 --> 00:52:12,120
Speaker 1: do this kind of drawn out apology, even if the

915
00:52:12,120 --> 00:52:14,480
Speaker 1: other person was in the wrong or a bunch of

916
00:52:14,480 --> 00:52:16,640
Speaker 1: things she had to learn and had to adapt to.

917
00:52:17,520 --> 00:52:20,319
Speaker 1: That does feel a bit of like attaming. And I'm

918
00:52:20,360 --> 00:52:23,680
Speaker 1: not saying that sometimes you get angry even if it's

919
00:52:23,719 --> 00:52:25,560
Speaker 1: somebody in the wrong, you've got to apologize. But a

920
00:52:25,640 --> 00:52:27,400
Speaker 1: lot of it felt kind of like she was having

921
00:52:27,440 --> 00:52:31,040
Speaker 1: to learn to kind of close this part off and

922
00:52:31,280 --> 00:52:37,440
Speaker 1: fit in right. Yes, there's so much, like, there's so

923
00:52:37,520 --> 00:52:39,839
Speaker 1: much more I'm probably could go into, and if we

924
00:52:39,880 --> 00:52:44,000
Speaker 1: really wanted, I could just expand upon many ideals of her,

925
00:52:44,080 --> 00:52:46,160
Speaker 1: like even with a dress, trying to be pretty and

926
00:52:46,200 --> 00:52:52,160
Speaker 1: being the best of everything, trying to impress Marilla but

927
00:52:52,239 --> 00:52:56,920
Speaker 1: also show appreciation. There's so many to this. Yes, And

928
00:52:57,040 --> 00:53:01,719
Speaker 1: I don't believe I'm sorry. Maybe I'm going to have

929
00:53:01,760 --> 00:53:05,320
Speaker 1: people maybe at me, maybe the younger generation. Megan follows

930
00:53:05,480 --> 00:53:08,480
Speaker 1: is and to me and will always be, and Jonathan

931
00:53:08,560 --> 00:53:12,200
Speaker 1: Chrome will always be Gilbert. It's kind of have this

932
00:53:12,239 --> 00:53:17,760
Speaker 1: similar opinion about since its ability about Colin Colin Firth

933
00:53:17,880 --> 00:53:20,960
Speaker 1: being the only Darcy. I will fight you. I will

934
00:53:21,040 --> 00:53:23,960
Speaker 1: fight you. Oh my god. I want to start like

935
00:53:24,000 --> 00:53:27,839
Speaker 1: a bracket. I love this because my friend Marissa, who

936
00:53:27,920 --> 00:53:30,319
Speaker 1: I said she loves and Green Gables, she said the

937
00:53:30,480 --> 00:53:33,560
Speaker 1: very same thing. Yeah, she said the very same thing.

938
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Speaker 1: So I'm all about it. I'm all about it. I

939
00:53:38,920 --> 00:53:40,680
Speaker 1: want to come back and do I think we should

940
00:53:40,680 --> 00:53:44,680
Speaker 1: do the next one. I think so, I'm already let's

941
00:53:44,680 --> 00:53:47,200
Speaker 1: get okay, me too, me too. Well, look out for

942
00:53:47,239 --> 00:53:52,000
Speaker 1: that listeners and send in your opinions. What are you

943
00:53:52,040 --> 00:53:56,239
Speaker 1: ready to fight me? Come on, don't fight me. I

944
00:53:56,280 --> 00:53:58,319
Speaker 1: love it because I remember you were like, this is

945
00:53:58,360 --> 00:54:00,880
Speaker 1: my version of Star Wars I was. I'm so happy,

946
00:54:00,880 --> 00:54:03,520
Speaker 1: I'm so excited. I want to see it. I want

947
00:54:03,560 --> 00:54:08,080
Speaker 1: to see it. Well. You can send those opinions to

948
00:54:08,360 --> 00:54:10,480
Speaker 1: our email, which is Stephanie and Mom stuff at iHeart

949
00:54:10,520 --> 00:54:12,560
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950
00:54:12,600 --> 00:54:15,359
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951
00:54:15,600 --> 00:54:19,000
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952
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