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Speaker 1: Hey, what welcome in. I'm Doug Godiban, this is all ball.

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Speaker 1: We got a great pod for you. Um. Johnny D.

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Speaker 1: I swear that's his name. It's not a radio name,

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Speaker 1: it's not a pseudo name. It's his name. Johnny D.

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Speaker 1: Who starred at the University of San Diego. And here's

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Speaker 1: something interesting. He was actually a recruited walk on who

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Speaker 1: was given a scholarship. He was playing for Billy Greer,

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Speaker 1: who if you remember his first season, Johnny's first season,

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Speaker 1: they were under FBI investigation for point shaving. What was

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Speaker 1: that like? All part of this podcast. You're gonna love it.

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Speaker 1: He's also a guy who took a year off professional

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Speaker 1: basketball because he thought it might be over. And now

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Speaker 1: he's I think in his third or fourth year playing

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Speaker 1: in Spain UH in the second division, and he's made

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Speaker 1: himself a great career. Plus met his wife during COVID.

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Speaker 1: Find out about how they met and what it's like

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Speaker 1: adjusting to married life being a professional basketball player playing overseas.

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Speaker 1: Now he plays for a studientes man. This is it's

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Speaker 1: it's a really good pod. You're gonna love it. Um.

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Speaker 1: The one thing I would get to is this, this

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Speaker 1: is the hard part in a Kyrie Irving. He's so

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Speaker 1: talented and he was a guy who brought Kevin Durant

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Speaker 1: lot of people wonder did he love basketball? And when

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Speaker 1: coaches say that, when scouts say that, people get really offended.

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Speaker 1: But there's a reality to it. Right You're gonna have

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Speaker 1: you have to do that you don't want to do.

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Speaker 1: Somebody's get up early to train, have a limited offseason.

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Speaker 1: You have to watch what you eat. You can't go

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Speaker 1: out all the time. You gotta be a good teammate.

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Speaker 1: You gotta watch film. You gotta get shots up, you

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Speaker 1: gotta work on your body, you gotta get to you

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Speaker 1: gotta you gotta a stretch at a at a very

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Speaker 1: very hard rate. Right. Um, you have to play within

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Speaker 1: the floor. Like these are things you have to do

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Speaker 1: and right now to play in the NBA, you gotta

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Speaker 1: be vaccinated. I don't see there. I don't see it

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Speaker 1: as any sort of debate or discussion. I don't care

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Speaker 1: Like we're we've all been inoculated or vaccinated to go

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Speaker 1: to college, frankly, to play youth sports. We've all had

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Speaker 1: things that we've done that we don't want to do.

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Speaker 1: There have been no records of anyone in the NBA

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Speaker 1: suffering any sort of debilitating uh side effects from being vaccinated.

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Speaker 1: He is of prime health and so whether not he

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Speaker 1: needs it or doesn't need it, it's more about the

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Speaker 1: global community. I can. I'm not gonna argue with you.

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Speaker 1: If if you want to have an argument or a

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Speaker 1: debate about it, feel free knock yourself out. You can,

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Speaker 1: you can tweet at me. My point is that, look,

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Speaker 1: the NBA and most of society has decided, Hey, you

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Speaker 1: in these arenas, You're gonna have to get vaccinated. Otherwise

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Speaker 1: we're gonna make life hell for you. So just get

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Speaker 1: the shot. The problem with Kyrie is I do believe

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Speaker 1: that if he was traded to a team, he wouldn't

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Speaker 1: no real acquiescing to him. These are mandates that are

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Speaker 1: made by cities and by other officials. He simply has

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Speaker 1: doesn't make it about the money. It makes it about

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Speaker 1: just isn't that guy, Kevin rans the guy that's gonna

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Speaker 1: Johnny d Um. Thanks so much for joining me. Okay,

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Speaker 1: so where are you at this very moment. I'm in Madrid, Spain?

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Speaker 1: Um getting ready start of the season. Okay, so what's uh,

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Speaker 1: the word school spirit? I guess you could say, like

429
00:21:32,200 --> 00:21:34,360
Speaker 1: i'ming a lot of a lot of love for that.

430
00:21:34,480 --> 00:21:37,240
Speaker 1: So and we have a fantastic volleyball team. So I

431
00:21:37,240 --> 00:21:39,000
Speaker 1: mean every once in a while, I love a game

432
00:21:39,000 --> 00:21:41,159
Speaker 1: against the top team where the gym is popping, and

433
00:21:41,240 --> 00:21:43,880
Speaker 1: when Gonzaga plays at home, when we play Gonzaga or St.

434
00:21:43,920 --> 00:21:48,639
Speaker 1: Mary's or Senego State, like that's always a fun game. Um.

435
00:21:48,680 --> 00:21:51,520
Speaker 1: But not a ton of support. Obviously, some some alumni

436
00:21:51,560 --> 00:21:53,959
Speaker 1: and whatnot, but you just don't get a lot of

437
00:21:54,000 --> 00:21:58,399
Speaker 1: the I guess city support. I'm thankful that, you know,

438
00:21:58,520 --> 00:22:00,840
Speaker 1: I grew up in a city, so like my parents

439
00:22:00,840 --> 00:22:04,160
Speaker 1: came to every single home game. Family members, friends of family,

440
00:22:04,600 --> 00:22:06,639
Speaker 1: high school friends that were in winter break, and all

441
00:22:06,680 --> 00:22:10,119
Speaker 1: that would come to games. So I felt like for me,

442
00:22:10,200 --> 00:22:12,200
Speaker 1: I had multiple people I wanted to be at the game,

443
00:22:12,200 --> 00:22:15,480
Speaker 1: at the game, But from a student standpoint, not a lot,

444
00:22:15,600 --> 00:22:17,280
Speaker 1: not a lot happening. I think people know you're on

445
00:22:17,320 --> 00:22:20,280
Speaker 1: the basketball team, but and some people respect that, but

446
00:22:20,320 --> 00:22:22,000
Speaker 1: a lot of people are there because Santego is an

447
00:22:22,000 --> 00:22:24,639
Speaker 1: amazing city. You're right, most of the kids actually live

448
00:22:24,680 --> 00:22:27,760
Speaker 1: in PB or Mission Beach on these beach houses and

449
00:22:27,760 --> 00:22:29,960
Speaker 1: then the bar scene over there's where they spend a

450
00:22:29,960 --> 00:22:32,719
Speaker 1: lot of time. So um, you can't really blame them

451
00:22:32,760 --> 00:22:35,479
Speaker 1: for not wanting to come back to campus off hours,

452
00:22:35,560 --> 00:22:37,960
Speaker 1: but you kind of wish they did because Santego State

453
00:22:38,000 --> 00:22:41,040
Speaker 1: figured it out. But they also had a lot more success,

454
00:22:41,760 --> 00:22:43,720
Speaker 1: a lot more success. They built the dorms right next

455
00:22:43,720 --> 00:22:49,159
Speaker 1: to the arena. Yeah, more inland and and you're more inland.

456
00:22:49,600 --> 00:22:51,760
Speaker 1: And also I mean, like, look, if you would have

457
00:22:51,800 --> 00:22:54,679
Speaker 1: gone back when I was giving out like anything was

458
00:22:54,720 --> 00:22:58,199
Speaker 1: literally the worst it was, it would have been the

459
00:22:58,280 --> 00:23:02,280
Speaker 1: safetiest of safety school, not in terms of getting in

460
00:23:02,320 --> 00:23:04,800
Speaker 1: but in terms of the sport. Like it's it's a

461
00:23:04,960 --> 00:23:08,160
Speaker 1: crazy turnaround there. And they used to play both San

462
00:23:08,200 --> 00:23:10,879
Speaker 1: Diego Santi State used to play and glorified high school gyms, right,

463
00:23:11,480 --> 00:23:14,440
Speaker 1: you guys had the one with the stage. Um. Yeah.

464
00:23:15,000 --> 00:23:19,160
Speaker 1: And and but Sanity State Sports Center was before they

465
00:23:19,200 --> 00:23:20,960
Speaker 1: didn't play in the sports un They played on campus

466
00:23:21,000 --> 00:23:23,320
Speaker 1: and it was a dump an occasionally they played in

467
00:23:23,320 --> 00:23:26,439
Speaker 1: the sports arena, and then they built the arena, but

468
00:23:26,960 --> 00:23:29,119
Speaker 1: you know, even the early days the arena was empty.

469
00:23:29,280 --> 00:23:31,359
Speaker 1: And then they started taking transfers and got better. But

470
00:23:31,400 --> 00:23:34,800
Speaker 1: it really is an amazing kind of turnaround of a program.

471
00:23:35,000 --> 00:23:36,719
Speaker 1: But they also didn't have a good zag in their

472
00:23:36,760 --> 00:23:39,240
Speaker 1: league where you're like, okay, who's playing for a second,

473
00:23:39,320 --> 00:23:41,119
Speaker 1: you know, and then you had by you and Mary's

474
00:23:41,119 --> 00:23:46,440
Speaker 1: like who's playing for fourth? Um? So your game during

475
00:23:46,480 --> 00:23:49,560
Speaker 1: this time, how much did you feel like you improved?

476
00:23:49,560 --> 00:23:51,520
Speaker 1: Because you got you got to play right away, you

477
00:23:51,520 --> 00:23:54,040
Speaker 1: could play a ton, and you guys didn't win a ton,

478
00:23:54,320 --> 00:23:56,040
Speaker 1: right right, you know it's hard to win a ton,

479
00:23:56,760 --> 00:23:59,160
Speaker 1: But how much did you feel like you were improving?

480
00:24:00,320 --> 00:24:04,080
Speaker 1: I felt like each year I got a little bit better. Um.

481
00:24:04,200 --> 00:24:05,920
Speaker 1: I think if I could go back and do one thing,

482
00:24:05,960 --> 00:24:08,679
Speaker 1: I wish I would have learned have been more of

483
00:24:09,080 --> 00:24:11,240
Speaker 1: a point guard type of a player in that college

484
00:24:11,240 --> 00:24:14,320
Speaker 1: atmosphere in terms of making place for others. Ever since

485
00:24:14,359 --> 00:24:16,200
Speaker 1: I was in high school, my role on the team

486
00:24:16,240 --> 00:24:18,480
Speaker 1: has been to score and score for myself, and so

487
00:24:18,880 --> 00:24:20,479
Speaker 1: that is something that over here I've had to kind

488
00:24:20,480 --> 00:24:23,400
Speaker 1: of change because I'm a six ft not that athletic guard.

489
00:24:23,520 --> 00:24:25,120
Speaker 1: So if I'm gonna want to be on the floor,

490
00:24:25,119 --> 00:24:27,040
Speaker 1: I gotta be more than just scoring. Because you're not

491
00:24:27,040 --> 00:24:31,560
Speaker 1: making shots, you gotta figure out a way to be impactful. UM.

492
00:24:31,600 --> 00:24:33,080
Speaker 1: But I would say in my four years, because I

493
00:24:33,119 --> 00:24:35,320
Speaker 1: got to play, I got to improve in a lot

494
00:24:35,320 --> 00:24:36,879
Speaker 1: of different ways in terms of how I score. I

495
00:24:36,920 --> 00:24:38,879
Speaker 1: think my first year I literally was cash and shoot

496
00:24:38,920 --> 00:24:41,520
Speaker 1: and that's about it. Um. I added a floater, I

497
00:24:41,520 --> 00:24:43,200
Speaker 1: added kind of scoring, added to pick and roll my

498
00:24:43,280 --> 00:24:46,000
Speaker 1: junior and senior year. UM and being able to kind

499
00:24:46,000 --> 00:24:49,240
Speaker 1: of make plays in transition and things like that. So UM,

500
00:24:49,640 --> 00:24:52,600
Speaker 1: I totally think being able to play helps helps that development.

501
00:24:54,040 --> 00:24:57,399
Speaker 1: He had them playing and what was the conversation with

502
00:24:57,520 --> 00:24:59,520
Speaker 1: Billy liked, what was the conversation with parents? Like? As

503
00:24:59,520 --> 00:25:03,920
Speaker 1: far as who you want to have represented? UH coach

504
00:25:03,960 --> 00:25:06,920
Speaker 1: career had some some guys that he trusted and he

505
00:25:06,960 --> 00:25:08,080
Speaker 1: gave me. I think it was just a list of

506
00:25:08,080 --> 00:25:12,080
Speaker 1: two people, um, and they were great, actually almost it

507
00:25:12,119 --> 00:25:13,680
Speaker 1: was really close. I was down my final two is

508
00:25:13,720 --> 00:25:15,879
Speaker 1: one of the guys coach Career had and one of

509
00:25:15,920 --> 00:25:19,680
Speaker 1: my teammates due to UM. He was like was brought

510
00:25:19,760 --> 00:25:22,360
Speaker 1: over from the Republic of Georgia by this guy who

511
00:25:22,400 --> 00:25:24,720
Speaker 1: was also really close to Jordan Lawley. Do you know

512
00:25:24,800 --> 00:25:28,440
Speaker 1: Jay law Jordan ally the trainer. So Jordan was represented

513
00:25:28,440 --> 00:25:32,880
Speaker 1: by this guy, Um Daniel Um. And I was working

514
00:25:32,920 --> 00:25:34,840
Speaker 1: out with Jordan at the time and I just felt

515
00:25:34,840 --> 00:25:36,639
Speaker 1: like it was a really good connection and I just

516
00:25:36,680 --> 00:25:39,560
Speaker 1: went with him. So UM. That was also a very

517
00:25:39,560 --> 00:25:41,560
Speaker 1: interesting process of trying to figure out who to who

518
00:25:41,640 --> 00:25:45,639
Speaker 1: to represent me. So your first summer, I know you

519
00:25:45,680 --> 00:25:48,040
Speaker 1: played what in Ceitia is your first your first gig,

520
00:25:48,920 --> 00:25:50,840
Speaker 1: your first summer? Like, what do you remember about it?

521
00:25:50,840 --> 00:25:54,640
Speaker 1: I mean, because I tell you, like, I remember thinking

522
00:25:55,640 --> 00:25:58,919
Speaker 1: you're gonna be like, they'll have all these offers and

523
00:25:59,040 --> 00:26:02,960
Speaker 1: it's the year process, you know, where they might be

524
00:26:03,000 --> 00:26:05,119
Speaker 1: an opera count from the club, it might be you

525
00:26:05,160 --> 00:26:09,560
Speaker 1: know this a month or that a month. What was

526
00:26:09,600 --> 00:26:12,560
Speaker 1: it like was that summer like weird. I think I

527
00:26:12,600 --> 00:26:16,520
Speaker 1: talked to probably ten different agents, and you probably heard

528
00:26:17,000 --> 00:26:19,760
Speaker 1: seven different things from the ten different agents, And so

529
00:26:19,800 --> 00:26:21,440
Speaker 1: I tried to go with some of the guys that said,

530
00:26:21,600 --> 00:26:24,320
Speaker 1: you know, something similar to somebody else, because they're all

531
00:26:24,320 --> 00:26:25,720
Speaker 1: trying to sell you and telling you how much you

532
00:26:25,720 --> 00:26:27,200
Speaker 1: would make out a year one, that you've been making

533
00:26:27,240 --> 00:26:29,600
Speaker 1: six figures because you were all League for three years

534
00:26:29,640 --> 00:26:32,879
Speaker 1: or whatever it may be. UM, and that might have

535
00:26:32,880 --> 00:26:35,159
Speaker 1: been true twenty years ago when there was a ton

536
00:26:35,200 --> 00:26:38,119
Speaker 1: of money in Europe. UM. But my first summer was

537
00:26:38,200 --> 00:26:41,840
Speaker 1: very difficult. I played Summer League with Warriors, not much

538
00:26:41,920 --> 00:26:45,280
Speaker 1: run um, but got to learn a lot of but

539
00:26:45,359 --> 00:26:48,600
Speaker 1: like just watching Aaron Craft and Son Randall were two

540
00:26:48,600 --> 00:26:51,800
Speaker 1: really good guards on that team. UM. And then not

541
00:26:51,920 --> 00:26:55,040
Speaker 1: signing until late because I just I don't know. I

542
00:26:55,040 --> 00:26:58,800
Speaker 1: think European teams have a hard time signing a two

543
00:26:58,800 --> 00:27:02,320
Speaker 1: guard that's six ft not that athletic, so which is understandable,

544
00:27:02,359 --> 00:27:06,040
Speaker 1: like I recognize you're taking a risk, but thankfully somebody

545
00:27:06,080 --> 00:27:07,879
Speaker 1: did and I played really well for a month and

546
00:27:08,080 --> 00:27:10,879
Speaker 1: ended up basically finishing out the final seven months of

547
00:27:10,880 --> 00:27:14,560
Speaker 1: my first year in Poland in their first division, which

548
00:27:14,600 --> 00:27:17,520
Speaker 1: was a much better experience, and you're you're you're skipping.

549
00:27:17,520 --> 00:27:20,920
Speaker 1: I'm taking you there. You got know I only spent

550
00:27:21,000 --> 00:27:24,600
Speaker 1: a month in Bosnia, I know. So so okay, so

551
00:27:24,640 --> 00:27:27,240
Speaker 1: you go to you go to Boston. What what time

552
00:27:27,280 --> 00:27:34,440
Speaker 1: of years? This September? Okay, so did you you got

553
00:27:34,440 --> 00:27:37,080
Speaker 1: some training camp? You got some friendly as well? No,

554
00:27:37,400 --> 00:27:39,800
Speaker 1: I came, I think I got I got like one

555
00:27:39,840 --> 00:27:41,680
Speaker 1: friendly game and then it was season started and I

556
00:27:41,720 --> 00:27:46,320
Speaker 1: played five games in one month. Um, well, who's the

557
00:27:46,359 --> 00:27:50,240
Speaker 1: other American? They didn't have another American. I was on

558
00:27:50,359 --> 00:27:52,480
Speaker 1: an island until like I think they brought him in

559
00:27:52,600 --> 00:27:55,040
Speaker 1: my second to last game there, and I was by

560
00:27:55,040 --> 00:27:56,560
Speaker 1: then I was like, look, I told my agent, you

561
00:27:56,560 --> 00:27:58,040
Speaker 1: gotta get me out of here. I'm not lasting a

562
00:27:58,080 --> 00:28:02,439
Speaker 1: full year here. So so why so again, like paint

563
00:28:02,440 --> 00:28:04,639
Speaker 1: the picture for me, Like you land in Bosnia? What

564
00:28:04,640 --> 00:28:07,960
Speaker 1: do you remember? I remember? We actually landed in Croatia

565
00:28:08,000 --> 00:28:10,879
Speaker 1: because I don't have an airport, so at least not

566
00:28:10,920 --> 00:28:12,320
Speaker 1: one you can land into because we were too far

567
00:28:12,359 --> 00:28:16,600
Speaker 1: from Saraevo. Um. I had a two hour cab ride

568
00:28:16,840 --> 00:28:19,080
Speaker 1: to the city I was going to be in Bosnia

569
00:28:19,200 --> 00:28:22,240
Speaker 1: and I landed at like twelve and they wanted me

570
00:28:22,280 --> 00:28:24,880
Speaker 1: to practice at six o'clock and my bags didn't make it,

571
00:28:25,280 --> 00:28:27,120
Speaker 1: and I was like, can I get the night off

572
00:28:27,200 --> 00:28:29,480
Speaker 1: or something. I just flew across the world, like you see.

573
00:28:29,480 --> 00:28:31,280
Speaker 1: It's like he just wants to see that you. You

574
00:28:31,320 --> 00:28:33,439
Speaker 1: know you you're able to run and you're willing to

575
00:28:34,119 --> 00:28:35,720
Speaker 1: fight with this cloud. I said, all right, I'm not

576
00:28:35,760 --> 00:28:38,200
Speaker 1: going to have a bad first impression. So I think

577
00:28:38,200 --> 00:28:39,960
Speaker 1: they got me like one of my teammates shoes. I

578
00:28:40,040 --> 00:28:42,560
Speaker 1: just put those on and I had no clothes with

579
00:28:42,600 --> 00:28:44,640
Speaker 1: me because both my bags were gone, so they had

580
00:28:44,640 --> 00:28:47,239
Speaker 1: to give me some stuff for that. And I just

581
00:28:47,280 --> 00:28:50,560
Speaker 1: remember having to practice and he like let me finish early.

582
00:28:50,600 --> 00:28:53,520
Speaker 1: But I remember running a ton like that that coach,

583
00:28:53,600 --> 00:28:57,920
Speaker 1: like Eastern European coaches, their whole style is who run

584
00:28:58,080 --> 00:29:01,480
Speaker 1: in practice all day long. I think that's partly why

585
00:29:01,640 --> 00:29:03,160
Speaker 1: I was like ready to get out of there quick.

586
00:29:04,400 --> 00:29:11,680
Speaker 1: That's funny. I remember I landed in perm Russia, and well,

587
00:29:11,720 --> 00:29:14,280
Speaker 1: first we went through um, we went through I went

588
00:29:14,280 --> 00:29:18,600
Speaker 1: through Moscow and like the process then. I don't know

589
00:29:18,600 --> 00:29:21,440
Speaker 1: if it's different now. Was I was in. I was

590
00:29:21,480 --> 00:29:25,080
Speaker 1: playing for a team in Salina, Kansas, and I had

591
00:29:25,080 --> 00:29:29,160
Speaker 1: to drive to Oklahoma, had dropped my wife off and

592
00:29:29,560 --> 00:29:33,000
Speaker 1: at her folks place, gather up all my we gather

593
00:29:33,120 --> 00:29:36,240
Speaker 1: by our crap and I fly to New York City.

594
00:29:36,360 --> 00:29:38,000
Speaker 1: But I got all this crap, like I got like

595
00:29:38,000 --> 00:29:39,520
Speaker 1: two big bags stuff. But I got to stop the

596
00:29:39,520 --> 00:29:43,000
Speaker 1: consulate to Govisa. So like you land, you spend the

597
00:29:43,000 --> 00:29:44,960
Speaker 1: whole day. You know, you're kind of like walking around

598
00:29:44,960 --> 00:29:48,440
Speaker 1: New York City whatever, checked your bags through and I

599
00:29:48,480 --> 00:29:51,560
Speaker 1: go back to the airport. Then you fly overnight land

600
00:29:51,600 --> 00:29:54,880
Speaker 1: in Moscow. It's nighttime. You come out, you're looking at

601
00:29:54,880 --> 00:29:58,360
Speaker 1: all wrecked. There's a guy with a sign that's written

602
00:29:58,360 --> 00:30:01,360
Speaker 1: in Russian but it has a basketball. You're like, I

603
00:30:01,400 --> 00:30:05,440
Speaker 1: guess that's I think. So he picks me up. He

604
00:30:06,240 --> 00:30:09,200
Speaker 1: get in the car. Of course he's smoking, and you're like,

605
00:30:09,280 --> 00:30:13,720
Speaker 1: oh god, the worst. But the windows up um cold outside.

606
00:30:13,720 --> 00:30:15,680
Speaker 1: Because I didn't get there until January. Because I did

607
00:30:15,720 --> 00:30:18,120
Speaker 1: the whole I was c b A and I got

608
00:30:18,160 --> 00:30:24,320
Speaker 1: kind as ib A. It's crazy, um. But I remember

609
00:30:24,360 --> 00:30:29,920
Speaker 1: like waking up and seeing red square all right square,

610
00:30:30,200 --> 00:30:33,960
Speaker 1: passing back down and then going to some meal where

611
00:30:34,120 --> 00:30:36,600
Speaker 1: the guy ordered me food. It was terrible, but like

612
00:30:36,640 --> 00:30:39,640
Speaker 1: I'm like, okay, I didn't know anything but anyway, so

613
00:30:39,680 --> 00:30:42,080
Speaker 1: that then you fly overnight again, like I don't know

614
00:30:42,080 --> 00:30:45,200
Speaker 1: what day it is. I don't I don't know anything, right, Like,

615
00:30:45,280 --> 00:30:48,840
Speaker 1: consider you have two overnight flights in a RUP. That's

616
00:30:48,840 --> 00:30:51,520
Speaker 1: where I landed at night in Moscow. The guy takes

617
00:30:51,520 --> 00:30:53,520
Speaker 1: me to some other airport. We stopped to eat along

618
00:30:53,520 --> 00:30:55,440
Speaker 1: the way, and then we go. We got to fly

619
00:30:55,520 --> 00:30:57,960
Speaker 1: at PERM, which is like a couple of our flight.

620
00:30:58,040 --> 00:31:00,440
Speaker 1: But you're the time zones are changing to your land.

621
00:31:00,480 --> 00:31:03,560
Speaker 1: It's like five three in the morning. So you're like,

622
00:31:03,560 --> 00:31:04,959
Speaker 1: I don't even know what day it is. They pick

623
00:31:05,040 --> 00:31:08,360
Speaker 1: you up again. They had a translator, but she was

624
00:31:08,560 --> 00:31:11,200
Speaker 1: broken English. Put your bag and you get in like

625
00:31:11,240 --> 00:31:13,720
Speaker 1: a van that has the same basketball over. You're like, okay,

626
00:31:13,760 --> 00:31:16,960
Speaker 1: kind of makes sense. And then they're like, we pick

627
00:31:17,040 --> 00:31:19,800
Speaker 1: you up for practice at ten o'clock. We're like, dude,

628
00:31:19,800 --> 00:31:22,840
Speaker 1: it's like six of them more. Yeah, And then you

629
00:31:22,880 --> 00:31:25,360
Speaker 1: get there And when I got there, the team wasn't there.

630
00:31:26,240 --> 00:31:29,320
Speaker 1: I was like what the fuck. They're like, oh, they

631
00:31:30,440 --> 00:31:34,400
Speaker 1: play night in you get therey and burgh. I'm like, okay,

632
00:31:34,680 --> 00:31:37,680
Speaker 1: so I got the day out. No, you must have practice.

633
00:31:38,320 --> 00:31:42,240
Speaker 1: So so this coach, the assistant coach to Lithuania, and

634
00:31:42,280 --> 00:31:48,480
Speaker 1: he was hardcore, hardcore, you make you make ten And

635
00:31:48,560 --> 00:31:51,719
Speaker 1: I'm like a shot at three and I'm like watching

636
00:31:51,760 --> 00:31:54,840
Speaker 1: the ball bouncing, like just me and him in this chym.

637
00:31:54,960 --> 00:32:01,640
Speaker 1: I'm like, yeah, can you you know brought up? Like no,

638
00:32:01,760 --> 00:32:03,800
Speaker 1: he like looks at his watch. It's like, you make ten?

639
00:32:03,880 --> 00:32:07,720
Speaker 1: Three point. So I did an hour in the gym

640
00:32:07,840 --> 00:32:10,680
Speaker 1: of different drills and basically and they're actually really good

641
00:32:10,720 --> 00:32:13,280
Speaker 1: in terms of ways to pick up your intensity. But

642
00:32:13,440 --> 00:32:15,880
Speaker 1: like you're going to half court, shoot at three, go

643
00:32:15,960 --> 00:32:18,040
Speaker 1: get it, shoot to three, go get it, shoot a three,

644
00:32:17,680 --> 00:32:20,080
Speaker 1: and you make ten, see how long it takes you,

645
00:32:20,320 --> 00:32:22,760
Speaker 1: and then get some water, do it again, try and

646
00:32:22,800 --> 00:32:25,080
Speaker 1: get a better time. And then you're doing full court

647
00:32:25,160 --> 00:32:27,480
Speaker 1: kind of same thing, like transition jump shots are coming

648
00:32:27,520 --> 00:32:29,480
Speaker 1: off a ball screen or whatever, like all these things.

649
00:32:29,800 --> 00:32:32,200
Speaker 1: But there's another guy in the gym, but he's actually

650
00:32:32,240 --> 00:32:35,800
Speaker 1: never touching the basketball. He's just recording how many times,

651
00:32:35,800 --> 00:32:37,760
Speaker 1: not even write it down, like how man you make

652
00:32:37,880 --> 00:32:41,360
Speaker 1: and look, you know his watch that's it. So yeah,

653
00:32:41,600 --> 00:32:45,720
Speaker 1: I totally get coming from the college. The college environment

654
00:32:45,760 --> 00:32:47,480
Speaker 1: is way different. You've got people of rebound it for

655
00:32:47,520 --> 00:32:50,720
Speaker 1: you all the time. Yeah, the only place it wasn't

656
00:32:50,720 --> 00:32:52,600
Speaker 1: like that. My first year I played Notre Dame for

657
00:32:52,680 --> 00:32:57,120
Speaker 1: John McCleod and he had a rule that if you

658
00:32:57,160 --> 00:33:01,360
Speaker 1: were shooting in his gym, you had to have somebody

659
00:33:01,440 --> 00:33:04,800
Speaker 1: keeping stats. So when you watched into practice, and this

660
00:33:04,840 --> 00:33:08,440
Speaker 1: is before the days of the shot tracktor stuff, right

661
00:33:08,440 --> 00:33:12,600
Speaker 1: when you walked into practice, you had your shot chart up,

662
00:33:12,640 --> 00:33:15,840
Speaker 1: so everybody can see how many of you took, how

663
00:33:15,840 --> 00:33:18,240
Speaker 1: many made from the from the practice many work out

664
00:33:18,280 --> 00:33:20,680
Speaker 1: anything you did, it would be up there and it

665
00:33:20,720 --> 00:33:22,520
Speaker 1: would show you. That way you knew, like this was

666
00:33:22,600 --> 00:33:24,479
Speaker 1: my shot, this is where I shoot. Welcome, or this

667
00:33:24,480 --> 00:33:27,680
Speaker 1: is who's been working. But like I remember, I would

668
00:33:27,800 --> 00:33:29,800
Speaker 1: be out there shooting, working with a manager and he

669
00:33:29,920 --> 00:33:31,440
Speaker 1: they would come and yell at the managers like no,

670
00:33:31,640 --> 00:33:34,440
Speaker 1: you you either need two managers or you need to

671
00:33:34,440 --> 00:33:37,320
Speaker 1: feed yourself. And that guy the manager keeps stats like

672
00:33:37,360 --> 00:33:41,440
Speaker 1: that was that important. So yes, it's a different it's

673
00:33:41,440 --> 00:33:46,440
Speaker 1: a different deal. Okay, So you're in um, you're in

674
00:33:46,480 --> 00:33:50,280
Speaker 1: this foreign country and you had one friendly game and

675
00:33:50,320 --> 00:33:52,400
Speaker 1: now you play. Do you remember who your first game

676
00:33:52,440 --> 00:33:56,360
Speaker 1: was against? The professional? Yeah, it was a road game.

677
00:33:58,040 --> 00:34:00,120
Speaker 1: I don't remember the team name, but I remember are

678
00:34:00,160 --> 00:34:03,760
Speaker 1: just being like all right, let's go, Like was it

679
00:34:05,360 --> 00:34:08,080
Speaker 1: in the gym, in the arena? How big was the arena? No,

680
00:34:08,200 --> 00:34:11,200
Speaker 1: it was a tiny arena. Playing in Bosnia. I don't

681
00:34:11,200 --> 00:34:14,520
Speaker 1: think many of those clubs had like big arenas. Um.

682
00:34:14,560 --> 00:34:16,359
Speaker 1: I know they did back back in the day, like

683
00:34:16,480 --> 00:34:19,600
Speaker 1: a couple of clubs, but I remember being a tiny gym.

684
00:34:19,680 --> 00:34:21,439
Speaker 1: I remember walking in and like there was a ping

685
00:34:21,480 --> 00:34:24,600
Speaker 1: pong tournament going on, like on the first floor. I

686
00:34:24,680 --> 00:34:27,880
Speaker 1: was just like, okay, this is like a multipurpose facility.

687
00:34:27,920 --> 00:34:33,280
Speaker 1: All good and um I remember, like, to be honest,

688
00:34:33,360 --> 00:34:34,839
Speaker 1: I felt like I was the best player in that

689
00:34:34,840 --> 00:34:38,359
Speaker 1: team by far, but he had this weird like I'm

690
00:34:38,360 --> 00:34:41,040
Speaker 1: not going to give you minutes or the starting position

691
00:34:41,120 --> 00:34:44,440
Speaker 1: until you earn it. And so I remember like trying

692
00:34:44,440 --> 00:34:48,520
Speaker 1: to battle that kind of mental um grind if you will.

693
00:34:48,600 --> 00:34:53,120
Speaker 1: The first few games. Okay, so you you you made

694
00:34:53,200 --> 00:34:56,879
Speaker 1: five games and you're like come out and yeah, what

695
00:34:56,920 --> 00:35:01,239
Speaker 1: was what was the final exit? Like terrible? They were mad.

696
00:35:01,320 --> 00:35:04,839
Speaker 1: So they signed me to a one month deal and

697
00:35:04,880 --> 00:35:07,800
Speaker 1: they said we will renew it or we can renew

698
00:35:07,840 --> 00:35:10,600
Speaker 1: it or renegotiate after a month, depending on how it goes.

699
00:35:10,680 --> 00:35:12,000
Speaker 1: So to me, that was like, all right, you guys

700
00:35:12,000 --> 00:35:13,480
Speaker 1: don't actually think I'm good enough to be here for

701
00:35:13,520 --> 00:35:16,400
Speaker 1: a full year because I'm a rookie, so you're not

702
00:35:16,440 --> 00:35:18,680
Speaker 1: willing to commit. So fine, I'll come out there for

703
00:35:18,680 --> 00:35:20,719
Speaker 1: a month, hopefully play well and get out of here,

704
00:35:21,680 --> 00:35:25,520
Speaker 1: which is exactly what happened. Um. So I remember tom

705
00:35:25,520 --> 00:35:27,200
Speaker 1: My agent that you got to find me another job

706
00:35:27,280 --> 00:35:30,440
Speaker 1: because I did start playing really well and I was

707
00:35:30,520 --> 00:35:35,280
Speaker 1: getting like seventeen minutes a game and we were winning, UM,

708
00:35:35,680 --> 00:35:38,280
Speaker 1: and he found me a job in Poland. I remember

709
00:35:38,320 --> 00:35:41,680
Speaker 1: telling the coach and he was not happy. The GM

710
00:35:41,760 --> 00:35:43,960
Speaker 1: was not happy, so much so that they didn't pay

711
00:35:44,000 --> 00:35:48,680
Speaker 1: me my first month's salary and refused to like give

712
00:35:48,719 --> 00:35:51,160
Speaker 1: me a cab to the airport, so I had to

713
00:35:52,280 --> 00:35:56,520
Speaker 1: never got any money. Not in Bosnia, he played for free,

714
00:35:57,239 --> 00:36:00,960
Speaker 1: played for free UM, and then had to pay for

715
00:36:00,960 --> 00:36:02,640
Speaker 1: my own taxi which was like two hundred bucks to

716
00:36:02,640 --> 00:36:04,799
Speaker 1: get two hours away to Croatia. That so I can

717
00:36:04,800 --> 00:36:10,239
Speaker 1: get to Poland. What team in Poland pulled format which

718
00:36:10,239 --> 00:36:11,440
Speaker 1: I don't even know if they called it, where they

719
00:36:11,480 --> 00:36:14,319
Speaker 1: might change their name because you know, sponsors change everything. Yeah,

720
00:36:14,840 --> 00:36:17,960
Speaker 1: so um, now you're like, I just played for a

721
00:36:18,000 --> 00:36:20,640
Speaker 1: month and I didn't make any money. M h is

722
00:36:20,680 --> 00:36:24,279
Speaker 1: the weirdest ship ever. Ever. Where did you fly to

723
00:36:24,320 --> 00:36:28,759
Speaker 1: in Poland? Goods pretty pretty great city. I did have

724
00:36:28,800 --> 00:36:31,319
Speaker 1: a good time because there's three cities over there. It's

725
00:36:31,320 --> 00:36:33,640
Speaker 1: close to the beach, so pulling a good diance would

726
00:36:33,640 --> 00:36:35,440
Speaker 1: then realized I wasn't in good Diyans guy was an

727
00:36:35,440 --> 00:36:39,280
Speaker 1: hour south of that in a city of like two people.

728
00:36:40,239 --> 00:36:44,000
Speaker 1: What was it called Staroguard or something that staroguard good good,

729
00:36:44,040 --> 00:36:47,840
Speaker 1: Dean Sutter something, Um, okay, So what was that experience? Like,

730
00:36:47,920 --> 00:36:51,600
Speaker 1: say you you you have some pro experience now still

731
00:36:51,600 --> 00:36:54,799
Speaker 1: a rookie was what was that that team like? In

732
00:36:54,800 --> 00:36:58,799
Speaker 1: that experience? It was interesting because I came in they

733
00:36:58,920 --> 00:37:01,520
Speaker 1: just fired a guy because they were owing four um

734
00:37:01,760 --> 00:37:06,320
Speaker 1: they needed some scoring coach and speaking look at English.

735
00:37:06,680 --> 00:37:08,319
Speaker 1: He was kind of like your Russian guy where he'd

736
00:37:08,360 --> 00:37:10,360
Speaker 1: come in the gym and it wasn't a lot of coaching.

737
00:37:10,360 --> 00:37:12,520
Speaker 1: He just kind of sit on the sideline, what have

738
00:37:12,560 --> 00:37:14,840
Speaker 1: his assistant tell us what to do? And he'd watched

739
00:37:15,080 --> 00:37:18,520
Speaker 1: Yell occasionally, who loved playing three on three full court.

740
00:37:19,280 --> 00:37:22,359
Speaker 1: UM had some Americans on that team, which was nice,

741
00:37:22,360 --> 00:37:24,480
Speaker 1: but the age gap was pretty big, Like one was

742
00:37:24,520 --> 00:37:28,160
Speaker 1: thirty seven, one was thirty six? Um who were there?

743
00:37:28,239 --> 00:37:31,520
Speaker 1: Then a guy named Mike Kicks, who actually is now

744
00:37:31,719 --> 00:37:33,680
Speaker 1: a Polish citizen because he's been out there so long.

745
00:37:33,800 --> 00:37:36,759
Speaker 1: And a guy named Damien Kenlock. It was just some

746
00:37:37,040 --> 00:37:40,640
Speaker 1: D two guy who made a career overseas for twenty years.

747
00:37:40,680 --> 00:37:45,960
Speaker 1: Fifteen years old, heads old heads? What was the what

748
00:37:46,040 --> 00:37:49,520
Speaker 1: was the living setup like there in pol They basically

749
00:37:49,520 --> 00:37:51,560
Speaker 1: put me in the apartment that the guy before had

750
00:37:51,600 --> 00:37:53,680
Speaker 1: and it was a studio and it wasn't a bed.

751
00:37:53,800 --> 00:37:56,360
Speaker 1: It was like a fouton so it was a couch bed.

752
00:37:56,960 --> 00:38:01,239
Speaker 1: Um had a TV, didn't have an oven, had a microwave,

753
00:38:02,160 --> 00:38:06,480
Speaker 1: had the worst shower I'd ever had a shower in

754
00:38:07,280 --> 00:38:11,279
Speaker 1: water was barely warm. Um. But I don't know, I

755
00:38:11,280 --> 00:38:14,279
Speaker 1: guess just make the most of it. And I had

756
00:38:14,280 --> 00:38:15,960
Speaker 1: a couple of visitors that year that helped me get

757
00:38:16,000 --> 00:38:19,080
Speaker 1: through it. But it was it was not like an

758
00:38:19,200 --> 00:38:23,080
Speaker 1: enjoyable experience or like, you know, the beautiful European experience

759
00:38:23,080 --> 00:38:25,200
Speaker 1: that I think a lot of people think you had

760
00:38:25,200 --> 00:38:30,640
Speaker 1: when you come over here. So, um, you, uh, what

761
00:38:30,760 --> 00:38:32,960
Speaker 1: did you where did you go? Eat? Like? Obviously you

762
00:38:33,040 --> 00:38:36,239
Speaker 1: got a microwave and just microwave and stuff you have.

763
00:38:40,000 --> 00:38:41,600
Speaker 1: I didn't cook then, like I was not a cook

764
00:38:41,640 --> 00:38:42,960
Speaker 1: at all, so I wouldn't. I didn't even know what

765
00:38:43,040 --> 00:38:45,880
Speaker 1: I was doing. Um, so I would eat out a bunch.

766
00:38:45,920 --> 00:38:49,800
Speaker 1: They had some like cool little Italian spots, um, Polish

767
00:38:49,840 --> 00:38:53,560
Speaker 1: people who love like soups and potatoes and chicken, so

768
00:38:53,640 --> 00:38:55,560
Speaker 1: i'd find something like that. And I will say this,

769
00:38:55,680 --> 00:38:58,319
Speaker 1: if there's a really nice part about pulling is like

770
00:38:58,440 --> 00:39:00,480
Speaker 1: everything is so cheap because they don't be on the euro.

771
00:39:00,480 --> 00:39:04,240
Speaker 1: There on the lote and it was like one dollar

772
00:39:04,440 --> 00:39:07,400
Speaker 1: fours lote. So I was eating meals for like three bucks,

773
00:39:07,440 --> 00:39:10,880
Speaker 1: so that was kind of nice. Um, how did you

774
00:39:10,920 --> 00:39:14,680
Speaker 1: do that? Here? I did all right? Um. I think

775
00:39:14,719 --> 00:39:16,800
Speaker 1: I was in that kind of transition trying to figure

776
00:39:16,800 --> 00:39:18,759
Speaker 1: out you know, you're planning for money, like you're not

777
00:39:18,760 --> 00:39:20,680
Speaker 1: playing for money, but you're getting paid now, so there's

778
00:39:20,719 --> 00:39:23,840
Speaker 1: an added pressure. Um, there's a responsibility there that the

779
00:39:23,880 --> 00:39:26,640
Speaker 1: club like expects out of you. And on that team,

780
00:39:26,640 --> 00:39:28,800
Speaker 1: it was you started knowing for us now the only

781
00:39:29,000 --> 00:39:31,040
Speaker 1: goal is not to go down to be relegated into

782
00:39:31,080 --> 00:39:35,239
Speaker 1: the second division. Um. And Poland has this weird rule

783
00:39:35,239 --> 00:39:37,239
Speaker 1: where you have to have two Polish players on the

784
00:39:37,239 --> 00:39:41,239
Speaker 1: floor at all times. So some games like depending on

785
00:39:41,239 --> 00:39:45,040
Speaker 1: the matchups are depending on foul trouble, Like I would

786
00:39:45,120 --> 00:39:47,120
Speaker 1: get less minutes because we needed one of Like if

787
00:39:47,120 --> 00:39:49,439
Speaker 1: our Polish big was in trouble, then the American big

788
00:39:49,480 --> 00:39:51,200
Speaker 1: had to be on the floor, and that would essentially

789
00:39:51,200 --> 00:39:55,680
Speaker 1: take me off the floor, UM in certain situations. And

790
00:39:56,280 --> 00:39:58,520
Speaker 1: there aren't a lot of great Polish players, especially the

791
00:39:58,520 --> 00:40:01,000
Speaker 1: lower you get down into that league, because a good

792
00:40:01,000 --> 00:40:03,359
Speaker 1: one signed either outside of Poland or on the top

793
00:40:03,400 --> 00:40:08,160
Speaker 1: Polish teams. UM. So that was an interesting component. I

794
00:40:08,160 --> 00:40:09,680
Speaker 1: would say my agent and I like the way we

795
00:40:09,680 --> 00:40:11,719
Speaker 1: tried to negotiate the following year was that I had

796
00:40:12,160 --> 00:40:17,440
Speaker 1: six eighteen good games and then eight not so good games. UM.

797
00:40:17,520 --> 00:40:20,239
Speaker 1: And it was kind of that up and down, trying

798
00:40:20,280 --> 00:40:22,200
Speaker 1: to figure out a rhythm and how to play in

799
00:40:22,239 --> 00:40:26,040
Speaker 1: a professional system and all that. It's the having a

800
00:40:26,080 --> 00:40:29,880
Speaker 1: guy on the floor. When I was in Israel, there

801
00:40:29,920 --> 00:40:32,080
Speaker 1: wasn't a rule, but there was like an unwritten mole,

802
00:40:32,160 --> 00:40:36,359
Speaker 1: like there's another point guard. He was Israeli. Nobody else

803
00:40:36,960 --> 00:40:39,239
Speaker 1: was really Israeli. Like there's somebody who's gonna play, it's

804
00:40:39,239 --> 00:40:42,200
Speaker 1: gonna be him. And I remember people tell me that, like, oh,

805
00:40:42,280 --> 00:40:44,680
Speaker 1: guy conters in your team, Oh he's gonna play. I'm like, yeah,

806
00:40:44,680 --> 00:40:49,200
Speaker 1: but I'm better than that. And we would come into

807
00:40:49,239 --> 00:40:53,160
Speaker 1: locker room and a half time, and the conversation was

808
00:40:53,160 --> 00:40:55,640
Speaker 1: always in English, and suddenly it was in Hebrew and

809
00:40:55,640 --> 00:40:59,360
Speaker 1: there was yelling and screaming. And then I didn't know it,

810
00:40:59,440 --> 00:41:01,279
Speaker 1: like we didn't know what's going on, you know, come

811
00:41:01,320 --> 00:41:03,759
Speaker 1: out of Cana and suddenly I was blamed as much

812
00:41:03,960 --> 00:41:07,120
Speaker 1: like Okay, I think I know what was being discussed there.

813
00:41:08,080 --> 00:41:10,440
Speaker 1: This guy is gonna play, yeah, this guy, this guy

814
00:41:10,520 --> 00:41:13,440
Speaker 1: is gonna get some guys to get some run. Okay,

815
00:41:13,440 --> 00:41:16,960
Speaker 1: So what next? Where's the next stop? So I told

816
00:41:17,000 --> 00:41:20,000
Speaker 1: my agent. They offered me the same contract to come

817
00:41:20,000 --> 00:41:21,839
Speaker 1: back another year. That's to my agent, Look, I'll come

818
00:41:21,840 --> 00:41:24,439
Speaker 1: back because I want to keep playing, like I still

819
00:41:24,480 --> 00:41:28,200
Speaker 1: love basketball, but only if it's my only option. Like

820
00:41:28,239 --> 00:41:30,799
Speaker 1: if you can give anything else, i'd really go anywhere else.

821
00:41:31,840 --> 00:41:33,360
Speaker 1: I'll get you something. Don't worry about that. So we

822
00:41:33,480 --> 00:41:37,720
Speaker 1: told them now and I didn't get a deal. So

823
00:41:38,400 --> 00:41:42,919
Speaker 1: I basically took an entire year off, worked out every

824
00:41:42,960 --> 00:41:47,399
Speaker 1: day every morning with my parents. I was back home

825
00:41:47,440 --> 00:41:50,040
Speaker 1: for the summer and I was basically just waiting for

826
00:41:50,080 --> 00:41:55,839
Speaker 1: a job and it just never came. So I ended up,

827
00:41:55,880 --> 00:42:00,640
Speaker 1: like you know, working as a substitute teacher. Uh, was

828
00:42:00,960 --> 00:42:04,480
Speaker 1: doing door dash, was training kids on the side. Was

829
00:42:05,560 --> 00:42:08,040
Speaker 1: um just coming to all types of stuff to just

830
00:42:08,120 --> 00:42:11,879
Speaker 1: you know, you change with Jordan. What were you doing

831
00:42:11,880 --> 00:42:14,440
Speaker 1: yourself going a little bit? I would say the second year,

832
00:42:14,480 --> 00:42:16,760
Speaker 1: I started to just train it by myself at USD

833
00:42:16,920 --> 00:42:19,400
Speaker 1: or at l A Fitness because he's out of nervine.

834
00:42:19,440 --> 00:42:21,560
Speaker 1: I'm in I'm vis to San Diego, so it was

835
00:42:21,560 --> 00:42:24,640
Speaker 1: a little bit like fifteen minute drive so and I

836
00:42:24,680 --> 00:42:27,920
Speaker 1: don't mind. Just I've never had a big problem rebounding

837
00:42:27,960 --> 00:42:29,520
Speaker 1: for myself, so I just kind of go do my

838
00:42:29,560 --> 00:42:31,440
Speaker 1: own thing and other fitness and get to work in

839
00:42:31,480 --> 00:42:34,000
Speaker 1: the morning. Well, you make them more, so you don't

840
00:42:34,000 --> 00:42:38,160
Speaker 1: have to change it. You make it more. Just always

841
00:42:38,160 --> 00:42:40,360
Speaker 1: come to the net and its back to back to you.

842
00:42:40,480 --> 00:42:42,719
Speaker 1: So it's not really a problem. My problem was I

843
00:42:42,719 --> 00:42:47,680
Speaker 1: missed him too much. There's a lot more running. Okay.

844
00:42:47,719 --> 00:42:49,719
Speaker 1: So you're sitting there and you're like no, no, Like

845
00:42:50,040 --> 00:42:51,760
Speaker 1: you meet people like what do you do, like professional

846
00:42:51,800 --> 00:42:53,040
Speaker 1: bessel player, Like what do you play for? Like, I

847
00:42:53,040 --> 00:42:57,880
Speaker 1: don't think playing exactly. It's a weird existence. Okay, So

848
00:42:57,960 --> 00:43:00,799
Speaker 1: when was the next phone call that you've got? Other shot,

849
00:43:01,680 --> 00:43:03,200
Speaker 1: I was getting phone called. This is what was touch on,

850
00:43:03,320 --> 00:43:06,160
Speaker 1: was I was getting phone calls. My agent was getting

851
00:43:06,160 --> 00:43:08,520
Speaker 1: phone calls throughout the year. Like it might have been

852
00:43:08,520 --> 00:43:10,319
Speaker 1: four different times where he told me like, all right,

853
00:43:10,400 --> 00:43:12,760
Speaker 1: start packing a bag because you might be leaving tomorrow,

854
00:43:13,280 --> 00:43:15,680
Speaker 1: or hey, I'm really close to this team and between

855
00:43:15,719 --> 00:43:17,800
Speaker 1: you another guy, And it seemed like every time it

856
00:43:17,920 --> 00:43:20,480
Speaker 1: was the other guy. Now looking back on it, he

857
00:43:20,600 --> 00:43:22,359
Speaker 1: might have been just been feeding me, you know, good

858
00:43:22,400 --> 00:43:27,000
Speaker 1: information at the time to keep me, you know, somewhat happy.

859
00:43:27,040 --> 00:43:29,320
Speaker 1: But it felt like there were some really close calls.

860
00:43:29,320 --> 00:43:31,080
Speaker 1: In fact, one time I drove all the way out

861
00:43:31,080 --> 00:43:34,080
Speaker 1: to Vegas to work out for a New Zealand coach.

862
00:43:35,440 --> 00:43:37,520
Speaker 1: Um he played point guard at un l V. So

863
00:43:37,520 --> 00:43:43,440
Speaker 1: that's why we got Yes Stickle, who's been on the pod.

864
00:43:44,280 --> 00:43:47,399
Speaker 1: This dude put me through a workout and it wrecked me.

865
00:43:47,920 --> 00:43:50,799
Speaker 1: I mean it was this dude's workout was brutal and

866
00:43:50,840 --> 00:43:52,759
Speaker 1: I have to like, I hadn't played an actual game

867
00:43:52,800 --> 00:43:55,560
Speaker 1: in six months, so it was like in January, I

868
00:43:55,760 --> 00:43:57,799
Speaker 1: drove out to Vegas. I thought I was working on

869
00:43:57,880 --> 00:43:59,880
Speaker 1: the morning. I couldn't get ahold of him. And then

870
00:43:59,880 --> 00:44:02,560
Speaker 1: he finally called me back because he he coached a

871
00:44:02,560 --> 00:44:05,080
Speaker 1: team in New Zealand. I was just looking for opportunity.

872
00:44:05,280 --> 00:44:06,839
Speaker 1: Got us a gym at like eight o'clock at night

873
00:44:06,880 --> 00:44:09,480
Speaker 1: at UNLV, and he just ran me to death, like

874
00:44:10,160 --> 00:44:12,600
Speaker 1: full court shooting the whole time, one hour. And at

875
00:44:12,600 --> 00:44:15,480
Speaker 1: the end he's like, look, my team runs, so we're

876
00:44:15,480 --> 00:44:17,640
Speaker 1: gonna put you to a conditioning drill. And he going

877
00:44:17,640 --> 00:44:20,280
Speaker 1: through a conditioning drill and I don't think I finished

878
00:44:20,280 --> 00:44:23,359
Speaker 1: the last set because I was so tired. Because there's

879
00:44:23,400 --> 00:44:26,399
Speaker 1: basketball shape and then there's like you know, or there's

880
00:44:26,440 --> 00:44:28,600
Speaker 1: there's workout shape, and then there's real basketball shape. And

881
00:44:28,640 --> 00:44:31,360
Speaker 1: I wasn't in a real basketball shape. So that was

882
00:44:31,400 --> 00:44:34,319
Speaker 1: discouraging um. And that's when I started thinking, man, maybe

883
00:44:34,320 --> 00:44:36,800
Speaker 1: I'm done, Like I don't know. If i'm we'll be playing.

884
00:44:36,840 --> 00:44:39,600
Speaker 1: So that's when I started looking into other options. When

885
00:44:39,600 --> 00:44:42,560
Speaker 1: I was on a golf course in August of the

886
00:44:42,600 --> 00:44:46,080
Speaker 1: following year, and my agents like, look, I got a

887
00:44:46,160 --> 00:44:49,600
Speaker 1: job for you in Spain. It's not a lot of money,

888
00:44:49,640 --> 00:44:52,920
Speaker 1: but it's second division. It's respective league. They need a

889
00:44:52,920 --> 00:44:56,719
Speaker 1: guard who can score, and um, if you want it,

890
00:44:56,719 --> 00:44:59,799
Speaker 1: it's yours. I remember just being like, man, I don't

891
00:44:59,800 --> 00:45:07,640
Speaker 1: know like the money, uh, PGA West. Actually in Palm Springs, Um,

892
00:45:08,120 --> 00:45:11,200
Speaker 1: who are you with? I was with a group that

893
00:45:11,320 --> 00:45:14,040
Speaker 1: they played a Ryder Cup like they do this every year.

894
00:45:14,239 --> 00:45:16,280
Speaker 1: They go to Palm Springs and they played three rounds

895
00:45:16,280 --> 00:45:19,960
Speaker 1: and it's America versus Europe and they two teams and

896
00:45:20,000 --> 00:45:22,640
Speaker 1: it's it was a blast. Who are the guy? Give

897
00:45:22,680 --> 00:45:25,880
Speaker 1: me the guys? Uh. There's a there's a private school

898
00:45:25,920 --> 00:45:28,799
Speaker 1: out of out of Sano called Santa Sanpa Christian and

899
00:45:28,840 --> 00:45:30,880
Speaker 1: most of the guys are from that school, like they

900
00:45:30,880 --> 00:45:33,560
Speaker 1: either went there or like. There was two basketball coaches,

901
00:45:33,560 --> 00:45:35,640
Speaker 1: a football coach from there, um, and a bunch of

902
00:45:35,640 --> 00:45:37,640
Speaker 1: people that were like alumni from there. So it was

903
00:45:37,640 --> 00:45:41,480
Speaker 1: just that group of guys. So you hang up and

904
00:45:41,520 --> 00:45:44,800
Speaker 1: did you ask anybody what they thought? Would you? Exactly?

905
00:45:45,400 --> 00:45:47,720
Speaker 1: There's the head coach Sanpa Christians name is Chad Bickley.

906
00:45:47,760 --> 00:45:49,680
Speaker 1: Great dude. He's a shooting coach out of San Diego

907
00:45:49,680 --> 00:45:51,160
Speaker 1: as well, one of the best shooters I've been around.

908
00:45:51,600 --> 00:45:53,399
Speaker 1: And I was just talking to him because he loves

909
00:45:53,400 --> 00:45:57,440
Speaker 1: basketball as well, and we're very similar minded. And he's like, look, man,

910
00:45:57,440 --> 00:45:59,359
Speaker 1: if you put the work in for a year, it's

911
00:45:59,440 --> 00:46:02,160
Speaker 1: one year. These jobs and these things that you want

912
00:46:02,160 --> 00:46:03,879
Speaker 1: to do are going to be here when you come back.

913
00:46:04,120 --> 00:46:07,040
Speaker 1: If you want to go chase the dream, chase the dream. Like, yeah,

914
00:46:07,120 --> 00:46:08,879
Speaker 1: I put in a lot of work in the past year,

915
00:46:09,000 --> 00:46:10,759
Speaker 1: and I still love this game. I think I'd like

916
00:46:10,840 --> 00:46:13,160
Speaker 1: one more chance to just go and plan. I wasn't

917
00:46:13,160 --> 00:46:14,839
Speaker 1: playing for the money because I wasn't making much money.

918
00:46:14,880 --> 00:46:16,839
Speaker 1: So it's just like a chance to go enjoy the

919
00:46:16,840 --> 00:46:19,239
Speaker 1: game for for what it was, and to play at

920
00:46:19,239 --> 00:46:21,960
Speaker 1: a competitive level that I had, you know, played in

921
00:46:22,280 --> 00:46:24,920
Speaker 1: for over a year. So I said yes, and I

922
00:46:24,920 --> 00:46:27,240
Speaker 1: think a week later, I was on my way to Spain.

923
00:46:28,320 --> 00:46:34,960
Speaker 1: Where in Spain Victoria, so that is that is Um

924
00:46:35,000 --> 00:46:39,080
Speaker 1: in the northern region, Um in a area called Basque Country,

925
00:46:39,080 --> 00:46:41,200
Speaker 1: so they actually speak a different dialect, although not so

926
00:46:41,280 --> 00:46:44,239
Speaker 1: much in that city, but that region in general does Um.

927
00:46:44,280 --> 00:46:48,280
Speaker 1: And it's a smaller, smaller city compared to other major

928
00:46:48,680 --> 00:46:51,000
Speaker 1: Spanish cities. But Um it was nice, kind of an

929
00:46:51,000 --> 00:46:55,120
Speaker 1: older one. It was food like I didn't like it.

930
00:46:55,600 --> 00:46:57,319
Speaker 1: People said it had good food there, but it wasn't

931
00:46:57,360 --> 00:47:00,719
Speaker 1: my wasn't my thing, but really, hand you're you're Spain.

932
00:47:00,800 --> 00:47:02,640
Speaker 1: Everybody says the food is amazing, but I think they'd

933
00:47:02,640 --> 00:47:05,040
Speaker 1: speak more like Barcelona is like more with the seafood

934
00:47:05,080 --> 00:47:08,279
Speaker 1: and Barcelona Madrid's been great. I mean, Madrid's got so

935
00:47:08,360 --> 00:47:11,319
Speaker 1: much like diverse culture and food options that I love it.

936
00:47:11,400 --> 00:47:13,640
Speaker 1: But um, I was not a fan of some of

937
00:47:13,640 --> 00:47:16,799
Speaker 1: those smaller cities. So you get there, what's the team? Like?

938
00:47:18,760 --> 00:47:21,799
Speaker 1: I got there and we had four players, so it

939
00:47:21,920 --> 00:47:24,360
Speaker 1: was me the point guard from poor Land, Alec Wintering

940
00:47:25,080 --> 00:47:28,120
Speaker 1: Um and two Spanish guys and I was like, oh,

941
00:47:28,160 --> 00:47:31,200
Speaker 1: and then one other point guard from like George Washington UM.

942
00:47:31,239 --> 00:47:33,360
Speaker 1: And I was like, well, we got a lot of guards.

943
00:47:33,680 --> 00:47:35,920
Speaker 1: I hope we get some bigs and hopefully we've got

944
00:47:35,960 --> 00:47:38,040
Speaker 1: enough guys because the week the season starts like two

945
00:47:38,080 --> 00:47:41,400
Speaker 1: weeks so we're a little behind here. Um, and they

946
00:47:41,480 --> 00:47:43,319
Speaker 1: got we got enough guys from the season started. But

947
00:47:43,520 --> 00:47:46,960
Speaker 1: it was interesting first first day or two. What was

948
00:47:47,000 --> 00:47:51,239
Speaker 1: the coach? I loved him. I mean he was like,

949
00:47:51,480 --> 00:47:54,439
Speaker 1: let's play fast. We're obviously not going to be as

950
00:47:54,440 --> 00:47:57,600
Speaker 1: physical as some of the teams with big budgets or

951
00:47:57,640 --> 00:48:00,360
Speaker 1: as talented or as deep. So let's just try to

952
00:48:00,440 --> 00:48:02,320
Speaker 1: run and must try to score and see if we

953
00:48:02,320 --> 00:48:06,080
Speaker 1: can outscore them. And we actually for having I think

954
00:48:06,120 --> 00:48:07,880
Speaker 1: we were the second longest budget team in the league.

955
00:48:08,719 --> 00:48:11,520
Speaker 1: We were tied for the last playoff spot. We ended

956
00:48:11,560 --> 00:48:14,080
Speaker 1: up losing the tie breaker, but we had a pretty

957
00:48:14,080 --> 00:48:17,040
Speaker 1: successful season for a club of that kind of standing.

958
00:48:17,840 --> 00:48:20,680
Speaker 1: How do you do I love the league in scoring

959
00:48:20,719 --> 00:48:24,839
Speaker 1: that year, um shot like one of my career year

960
00:48:24,920 --> 00:48:29,719
Speaker 1: from three, and I kind of found the love of

961
00:48:29,760 --> 00:48:31,840
Speaker 1: basketball again, to be honest, because we were just it

962
00:48:31,920 --> 00:48:33,920
Speaker 1: was me in that point guard alect just havn't I

963
00:48:33,960 --> 00:48:35,799
Speaker 1: don't know. It was really fun to go out there

964
00:48:35,800 --> 00:48:38,520
Speaker 1: and just compete with other teams that you know, we're

965
00:48:38,520 --> 00:48:40,560
Speaker 1: the big budget teams or whatever it may be, and

966
00:48:41,239 --> 00:48:44,160
Speaker 1: kind of just go out of two Americans and compete

967
00:48:44,800 --> 00:48:46,480
Speaker 1: and then so different, You're like, your whole world is

968
00:48:46,520 --> 00:48:50,920
Speaker 1: differently when basketball is fun, when you like basketball way different.

969
00:48:51,520 --> 00:48:53,440
Speaker 1: I needed that because Poland and bothered me kind of

970
00:48:53,440 --> 00:48:55,000
Speaker 1: like made me question that, and then not playing for

971
00:48:55,040 --> 00:48:57,560
Speaker 1: your really made me question that. Um so it's nice

972
00:48:57,600 --> 00:49:00,200
Speaker 1: to kind of find that love again. Yeah, I told

973
00:49:00,200 --> 00:49:02,520
Speaker 1: the story. I think on the last part I was

974
00:49:02,680 --> 00:49:04,560
Speaker 1: supposed to be in Israeli and I was playing in

975
00:49:04,600 --> 00:49:08,400
Speaker 1: a team that my agent owned. We're training in Italy

976
00:49:08,840 --> 00:49:11,239
Speaker 1: kind of play in St. Petersburg, Russia. Was a weird deal.

977
00:49:12,239 --> 00:49:15,360
Speaker 1: And I flew to Israeli in my passport and the

978
00:49:15,440 --> 00:49:17,400
Speaker 1: Israeli agent screwed up. He didn't tell me what I

979
00:49:17,440 --> 00:49:20,640
Speaker 1: was supposed to say. So, like I get to the

980
00:49:20,640 --> 00:49:22,719
Speaker 1: front of the line and they're like, where do you live?

981
00:49:22,760 --> 00:49:26,480
Speaker 1: And I was like, I live in Verse Italy, Like

982
00:49:27,040 --> 00:49:29,200
Speaker 1: you cannot get to a passport. You have to live here.

983
00:49:29,200 --> 00:49:30,560
Speaker 1: You must live here for a year. Like if I

984
00:49:30,560 --> 00:49:32,880
Speaker 1: just had to fake address to get the passport, have

985
00:49:32,920 --> 00:49:36,600
Speaker 1: been straight anyway. So now they're like scrambling. They had

986
00:49:36,640 --> 00:49:39,359
Speaker 1: me go try out for a team and ashdod which

987
00:49:39,560 --> 00:49:42,040
Speaker 1: again kind of same thing like hand slapped hadn't eaten.

988
00:49:42,200 --> 00:49:43,880
Speaker 1: I think my basketball career is coming to an end

989
00:49:43,880 --> 00:49:46,520
Speaker 1: because I'm not gonna get passport, you know. And then

990
00:49:46,560 --> 00:49:48,680
Speaker 1: I go and just try and practice. On my mind

991
00:49:48,760 --> 00:49:51,080
Speaker 1: is you know, you just can't do it, Like I'm

992
00:49:51,080 --> 00:49:52,839
Speaker 1: not good enough to do all that ship Like I'm

993
00:49:52,880 --> 00:49:55,000
Speaker 1: probably good and I didn't have to be in a

994
00:49:55,000 --> 00:49:57,600
Speaker 1: perfect gat space, but not in that headspace anyway. I

995
00:49:57,600 --> 00:50:00,560
Speaker 1: just remember being in the car ride I was I

996
00:50:00,640 --> 00:50:02,759
Speaker 1: was supposed to fly out that day. I put me

997
00:50:02,800 --> 00:50:05,240
Speaker 1: up in some hotels, Nice Hotel and Drusale. I remember

998
00:50:05,239 --> 00:50:08,319
Speaker 1: just being there just like, is this it? I think

999
00:50:08,320 --> 00:50:12,719
Speaker 1: I've done this that whole Yeah, so I totally understand that.

1000
00:50:12,840 --> 00:50:15,840
Speaker 1: And then obviously when you get back to playing. Uh,

1001
00:50:15,840 --> 00:50:18,360
Speaker 1: for me, it wasn't until my second year. I was

1002
00:50:18,480 --> 00:50:20,840
Speaker 1: the third year, I was a filling in France, and

1003
00:50:20,880 --> 00:50:22,920
Speaker 1: I was like, God, I love this, this is I

1004
00:50:22,960 --> 00:50:26,480
Speaker 1: could totally do this. However, um, so you get done

1005
00:50:26,480 --> 00:50:29,080
Speaker 1: with that season, Now, what's the conversation with your Agently,

1006
00:50:30,480 --> 00:50:32,560
Speaker 1: it was pumped for me because I had a good year,

1007
00:50:32,600 --> 00:50:35,759
Speaker 1: and I think honestly they were they didn't expound think

1008
00:50:35,800 --> 00:50:39,239
Speaker 1: my club expected me to be as successful as I was,

1009
00:50:39,320 --> 00:50:41,120
Speaker 1: so like they even like they even brought a guy

1010
00:50:41,120 --> 00:50:43,000
Speaker 1: and that were supposed to be the starting shooting guard

1011
00:50:43,120 --> 00:50:45,680
Speaker 1: and I kind of took his position in some ways.

1012
00:50:45,680 --> 00:50:49,960
Speaker 1: So um, at the end of the season, agent was

1013
00:50:49,960 --> 00:50:51,520
Speaker 1: pumped because he's like, yeah, we're gonna find you a

1014
00:50:51,520 --> 00:50:53,840
Speaker 1: better job and we'll get you in a different situation

1015
00:50:53,920 --> 00:50:55,239
Speaker 1: and you know, you can actually make some money and

1016
00:50:55,239 --> 00:50:57,800
Speaker 1: start saving UM and hopefully be on a team that

1017
00:50:57,880 --> 00:50:59,440
Speaker 1: went I think that was the other part that was

1018
00:50:59,480 --> 00:51:01,920
Speaker 1: stuff was we still didn't have a winning record. We

1019
00:51:01,920 --> 00:51:03,920
Speaker 1: were kind of like right around five hundred, which was

1020
00:51:03,960 --> 00:51:08,359
Speaker 1: my entire USD experience was right there at UM. So

1021
00:51:08,400 --> 00:51:11,319
Speaker 1: now the thought was either I go try to make

1022
00:51:11,360 --> 00:51:14,640
Speaker 1: it out in that German League or Italian league. Had

1023
00:51:14,680 --> 00:51:17,680
Speaker 1: some some good opportunities, but one of the teams that

1024
00:51:17,719 --> 00:51:20,360
Speaker 1: went down from a CB was kind of the next

1025
00:51:20,760 --> 00:51:23,040
Speaker 1: UM team to offer me and seem like the best

1026
00:51:23,040 --> 00:51:29,560
Speaker 1: situation team real Bettis Where's Bettis study, which was an

1027
00:51:29,560 --> 00:51:35,560
Speaker 1: amazing city described it southern city. So finally having like

1028
00:51:35,640 --> 00:51:37,799
Speaker 1: a warmer climate, which for a California kid was what

1029
00:51:37,840 --> 00:51:42,759
Speaker 1: I needed. UM and about one point three million, I

1030
00:51:42,800 --> 00:51:44,920
Speaker 1: think is like the total population there right around one

1031
00:51:44,920 --> 00:51:47,439
Speaker 1: I don't I don't really remember. So finally a bigger city,

1032
00:51:47,440 --> 00:51:49,600
Speaker 1: which you know as an American it is kind of

1033
00:51:49,680 --> 00:51:51,640
Speaker 1: nice to feel that, like when you're not just isolated,

1034
00:51:52,040 --> 00:51:57,239
Speaker 1: there's people outside whatnot. Warm climate, food was good UM

1035
00:51:57,320 --> 00:51:59,239
Speaker 1: And in the Bastel situation that you were finally on

1036
00:51:59,280 --> 00:52:01,520
Speaker 1: a professional that felt like I think my first three

1037
00:52:01,600 --> 00:52:03,640
Speaker 1: years I was just kind of on like clubs that

1038
00:52:03,680 --> 00:52:06,360
Speaker 1: played basketball, but like BASKETBA wasn't a priority, or they

1039
00:52:06,360 --> 00:52:09,359
Speaker 1: didn't do things professionally or even at the collegiate level,

1040
00:52:09,360 --> 00:52:12,080
Speaker 1: like it wasn't even like that good. So I finally

1041
00:52:12,080 --> 00:52:13,520
Speaker 1: had a club that kind of did things the right

1042
00:52:13,560 --> 00:52:16,239
Speaker 1: way and took care of the players and helped out

1043
00:52:16,280 --> 00:52:19,600
Speaker 1: and some of like the off the court stuff. So, um,

1044
00:52:19,640 --> 00:52:23,840
Speaker 1: that was a really good experience. What was good Like

1045
00:52:25,800 --> 00:52:29,880
Speaker 1: he was a I enjoyed him. He was a game manager,

1046
00:52:30,120 --> 00:52:33,400
Speaker 1: or not a game manager. He was a a culture manager.

1047
00:52:33,560 --> 00:52:35,360
Speaker 1: He didn't seem like he was like the biggest exs

1048
00:52:35,360 --> 00:52:38,600
Speaker 1: and those guys. Because the way that they had created

1049
00:52:38,640 --> 00:52:43,080
Speaker 1: this team was, um, twelve good players, and really it

1050
00:52:43,200 --> 00:52:46,880
Speaker 1: was a good two good point guards, two shooting guards,

1051
00:52:47,320 --> 00:52:50,120
Speaker 1: two threes, and then they had six bigs where they

1052
00:52:50,160 --> 00:52:52,320
Speaker 1: would figure out who would have play depending on pal trouble.

1053
00:52:52,920 --> 00:52:55,359
Speaker 1: But each of the two point guards was gonna play

1054
00:52:55,400 --> 00:52:57,879
Speaker 1: twenty minutes, each of the two two guards are gonna

1055
00:52:57,880 --> 00:52:59,800
Speaker 1: play twenty minutes, and each of the two three was

1056
00:52:59,800 --> 00:53:02,239
Speaker 1: going to play twenty minutes. So I knew I was

1057
00:53:02,280 --> 00:53:04,320
Speaker 1: either playing the first and the third or the second

1058
00:53:04,320 --> 00:53:06,880
Speaker 1: and the fourth pretty much every game. So that was

1059
00:53:06,960 --> 00:53:11,920
Speaker 1: kind of weird. No, I've seen some European teams do that,

1060
00:53:12,000 --> 00:53:14,839
Speaker 1: and it's like they don't like playing guys, thirty minutes

1061
00:53:14,880 --> 00:53:18,120
Speaker 1: a game if you have that, but but playing but

1062
00:53:18,120 --> 00:53:21,520
Speaker 1: but setting up exactly when you're gonna play, not based

1063
00:53:21,560 --> 00:53:24,520
Speaker 1: upon the game, is bizarre. Oh so that was bizarre

1064
00:53:24,520 --> 00:53:27,000
Speaker 1: to me too, um. But in some ways it was

1065
00:53:27,080 --> 00:53:28,719
Speaker 1: nice because at least mentally I knew like what to

1066
00:53:28,760 --> 00:53:33,520
Speaker 1: prepare for UM. And from that standpoint, I never had

1067
00:53:33,520 --> 00:53:36,320
Speaker 1: any issues with him. I had one teammate who didn't.

1068
00:53:36,600 --> 00:53:39,280
Speaker 1: I really liked him out a good relationship with him, UM,

1069
00:53:39,320 --> 00:53:42,759
Speaker 1: and he was an easy coach to play for, and

1070
00:53:43,440 --> 00:53:45,960
Speaker 1: practice was challenging and intense. But for us, like we

1071
00:53:45,960 --> 00:53:49,080
Speaker 1: were the favorite of the of the league, and so

1072
00:53:49,920 --> 00:53:52,719
Speaker 1: we we practiced probably harder than we played and it

1073
00:53:52,760 --> 00:53:54,759
Speaker 1: showed who We went thirty and four and we're like

1074
00:53:54,800 --> 00:53:57,919
Speaker 1: six games above the second best team in that league. Yeah,

1075
00:53:57,920 --> 00:54:01,200
Speaker 1: your first Vision team playing in the second divisions? Yeah? Yeah?

1076
00:54:02,520 --> 00:54:05,480
Speaker 1: So what was that like experience? Like where it's not

1077
00:54:05,520 --> 00:54:08,000
Speaker 1: the perfect set up, but at least like winning. Now,

1078
00:54:10,280 --> 00:54:14,319
Speaker 1: winning was like not an addiction, but it was like

1079
00:54:14,360 --> 00:54:16,680
Speaker 1: something that I just like, I need it because it

1080
00:54:16,800 --> 00:54:20,480
Speaker 1: felt so good. Um, we want seventeen in a row,

1081
00:54:20,520 --> 00:54:24,160
Speaker 1: like broken league record. Um. And that was just such

1082
00:54:24,200 --> 00:54:28,160
Speaker 1: a fun ride to be on that. And we'll get

1083
00:54:28,200 --> 00:54:29,879
Speaker 1: I'm sure you'll get to another that when I when

1084
00:54:29,880 --> 00:54:31,919
Speaker 1: I end up losing a bit, I was losing again.

1085
00:54:31,960 --> 00:54:36,200
Speaker 1: It's like made me question everything again. So winning was

1086
00:54:36,239 --> 00:54:38,720
Speaker 1: an important thing for me to recognize what I value

1087
00:54:39,280 --> 00:54:43,520
Speaker 1: in making decisions about my basketball future. Yeah, yeah, okay,

1088
00:54:43,520 --> 00:54:47,480
Speaker 1: I want to play on winning teams now yeah. Um okay,

1089
00:54:47,760 --> 00:54:50,439
Speaker 1: so that team goes the first Division the next year,

1090
00:54:51,120 --> 00:54:53,920
Speaker 1: what do you do? So this is where this is

1091
00:54:53,960 --> 00:54:55,719
Speaker 1: like I love that club and I will still say

1092
00:54:55,719 --> 00:54:58,960
Speaker 1: that's probably my favorite year I've had as a professional. Um,

1093
00:54:59,000 --> 00:55:00,480
Speaker 1: but I did. I do think they did me a

1094
00:55:00,520 --> 00:55:03,600
Speaker 1: little dirty. Um. One of my things is I don't

1095
00:55:03,640 --> 00:55:06,640
Speaker 1: have I don't have a passport. So I'm a thoroughbred American,

1096
00:55:06,840 --> 00:55:10,120
Speaker 1: if you will. Um. And so for some reason in

1097
00:55:10,120 --> 00:55:12,400
Speaker 1: Europe they count that against you because they got these

1098
00:55:12,480 --> 00:55:14,759
Speaker 1: rules where you can only have so many Americans per team,

1099
00:55:15,480 --> 00:55:17,799
Speaker 1: which to me is hilarious because if that was a

1100
00:55:17,840 --> 00:55:20,240
Speaker 1: rule anywhere else. I feel like that we talked about

1101
00:55:20,320 --> 00:55:23,879
Speaker 1: is it's like not cool or whatever. Um, but it's

1102
00:55:23,920 --> 00:55:26,799
Speaker 1: the thing out here. Um. So I tried to find

1103
00:55:26,800 --> 00:55:29,200
Speaker 1: a passport in the summer because the club told me, I, look,

1104
00:55:29,239 --> 00:55:31,800
Speaker 1: if you get a passport, it pretty much assured your spot.

1105
00:55:32,040 --> 00:55:34,360
Speaker 1: If not, we're still thinking about keeping you. Because the

1106
00:55:34,360 --> 00:55:35,719
Speaker 1: coach really wanted to keep me. I had a really

1107
00:55:35,719 --> 00:55:38,120
Speaker 1: good leg of a coach, um, but the GM. I

1108
00:55:38,120 --> 00:55:39,800
Speaker 1: don't think the GM really thought I could play the

1109
00:55:39,840 --> 00:55:43,879
Speaker 1: first division level. So they said, look, we have until

1110
00:55:43,960 --> 00:55:46,799
Speaker 1: June thirty to cut you or to keep you, and uh,

1111
00:55:46,880 --> 00:55:48,800
Speaker 1: we'll let you know. So I head home for about

1112
00:55:48,800 --> 00:55:50,960
Speaker 1: a month and it got to June thirty and I

1113
00:55:51,000 --> 00:55:53,239
Speaker 1: hadn't heard a thing. It's like, man, these guys are

1114
00:55:53,320 --> 00:55:55,920
Speaker 1: keeping me. Like I'm gonna be playing first division Spain,

1115
00:55:56,000 --> 00:55:57,359
Speaker 1: one of the best leaves in the world, Like this

1116
00:55:57,440 --> 00:56:00,399
Speaker 1: is exciting. I just remember like looking at my phone

1117
00:56:00,400 --> 00:56:02,239
Speaker 1: at two am and it was a tweet from Real

1118
00:56:02,280 --> 00:56:05,160
Speaker 1: Betty saying that they cut the contract, and then like

1119
00:56:05,640 --> 00:56:08,040
Speaker 1: ten minutes later a text message from my agent saying, yeah,

1120
00:56:08,080 --> 00:56:10,440
Speaker 1: they cut the contract. And I was like, man, I

1121
00:56:10,480 --> 00:56:13,360
Speaker 1: couldn't get a call from the GM or anybody just

1122
00:56:13,400 --> 00:56:15,520
Speaker 1: to like let me know, hey, we're going in a

1123
00:56:15,520 --> 00:56:18,719
Speaker 1: different direction, or like you know, thanks for helping us

1124
00:56:18,719 --> 00:56:21,239
Speaker 1: get back to first division, but like, we found a

1125
00:56:21,239 --> 00:56:24,000
Speaker 1: two guard, who's what we're looking for? Like, I understand

1126
00:56:24,040 --> 00:56:26,839
Speaker 1: that's a business, but I thought I deserved a little

1127
00:56:26,880 --> 00:56:30,160
Speaker 1: bit better than a tweet to tell me I'll be

1128
00:56:30,239 --> 00:56:32,960
Speaker 1: having to find a new job. So how did you

1129
00:56:32,960 --> 00:56:36,000
Speaker 1: find a new job? That? When my agent went to

1130
00:56:36,040 --> 00:56:38,279
Speaker 1: work and the team that went down from ACB the

1131
00:56:38,320 --> 00:56:41,040
Speaker 1: following year came pretty hard with with with an opportunity

1132
00:56:41,920 --> 00:56:44,840
Speaker 1: like maybe a priority on their team. Um, and it

1133
00:56:44,920 --> 00:56:46,640
Speaker 1: was back in Spain and I knew would be a

1134
00:56:46,640 --> 00:56:50,040
Speaker 1: winning situation. Again. Um, it wasn't too late in the

1135
00:56:50,040 --> 00:56:51,520
Speaker 1: summer where I'm sure I could have found a job

1136
00:56:51,520 --> 00:56:54,640
Speaker 1: in Germany or Italy, but I was kind of growing

1137
00:56:54,680 --> 00:56:57,719
Speaker 1: comfortable with the Spanish League and I felt like this

1138
00:56:57,800 --> 00:56:59,759
Speaker 1: was a city that I really would like. It was

1139
00:56:59,760 --> 00:57:01,640
Speaker 1: saying Sebastian, and I was like, man, that'd be a

1140
00:57:01,640 --> 00:57:04,760
Speaker 1: fun city to live in. It's close to the water. Um,

1141
00:57:04,760 --> 00:57:09,320
Speaker 1: a very great thing. So I kind of jumped on that. So, uh,

1142
00:57:09,600 --> 00:57:14,080
Speaker 1: what we stand smashing like a beautiful city. It's smaller

1143
00:57:14,120 --> 00:57:18,000
Speaker 1: than severa but it's it's like, uh, I don't know,

1144
00:57:18,080 --> 00:57:21,720
Speaker 1: has so much charm and not kind of history, but

1145
00:57:21,760 --> 00:57:23,200
Speaker 1: it just seems like it is because got some really

1146
00:57:23,240 --> 00:57:26,280
Speaker 1: cool old buildings, a very affluent city, because basqu Country

1147
00:57:26,280 --> 00:57:28,160
Speaker 1: in general is just kind of a more wealthy area

1148
00:57:28,200 --> 00:57:31,920
Speaker 1: of Spain. Very clean, and they would I think a

1149
00:57:31,920 --> 00:57:33,480
Speaker 1: lot of spanishe would say, it's one of the best

1150
00:57:33,480 --> 00:57:35,680
Speaker 1: culinary cities in all Spain. So the food is really

1151
00:57:35,680 --> 00:57:38,120
Speaker 1: really good. So it was nice having teammates from the

1152
00:57:38,160 --> 00:57:39,680
Speaker 1: area who knew who knew where to take you to

1153
00:57:39,680 --> 00:57:42,040
Speaker 1: the right spots and get you a good steak or

1154
00:57:42,560 --> 00:57:47,120
Speaker 1: good fish whatever it may be. Um. And then yeah,

1155
00:57:47,160 --> 00:57:48,840
Speaker 1: I mean all the office stuff I met. I met

1156
00:57:48,840 --> 00:57:50,520
Speaker 1: a really cool family that were missionaries out there that

1157
00:57:50,560 --> 00:57:52,400
Speaker 1: were Americans, like maybe kind of feel like I was

1158
00:57:52,440 --> 00:57:55,280
Speaker 1: at home as well. Um, so I really like loved

1159
00:57:55,280 --> 00:58:01,120
Speaker 1: my time there. Um okay, so how did you get

1160
00:58:01,120 --> 00:58:06,440
Speaker 1: to a studio? So we went We technically won the

1161
00:58:06,480 --> 00:58:09,840
Speaker 1: league with GBC, the team in San Sebastian COVID cut

1162
00:58:09,840 --> 00:58:12,000
Speaker 1: it short, I got to go up with them to

1163
00:58:12,080 --> 00:58:15,640
Speaker 1: a c B since we went up the following year, Um,

1164
00:58:15,720 --> 00:58:20,160
Speaker 1: and we stunk. We won seven games, lost nine. So

1165
00:58:20,360 --> 00:58:24,240
Speaker 1: that's all I've sun earlier like that. Losing just put

1166
00:58:24,280 --> 00:58:29,040
Speaker 1: you in a bad mental space. And also during the

1167
00:58:29,040 --> 00:58:31,440
Speaker 1: COVID year, right after the COVID year, so like the

1168
00:58:31,480 --> 00:58:33,960
Speaker 1: last season, I played no fans the entire season, no

1169
00:58:34,160 --> 00:58:38,720
Speaker 1: visitors for nine months. Um, and you're losing and we're

1170
00:58:38,760 --> 00:58:41,840
Speaker 1: losing a lot. And like coach was, this is one

1171
00:58:41,840 --> 00:58:44,040
Speaker 1: of the typer coaches that I've had to play for

1172
00:58:44,680 --> 00:58:48,560
Speaker 1: a good relationship off the court. On the court was tough, um,

1173
00:58:48,640 --> 00:58:50,160
Speaker 1: and he got into with a lot of guys. So

1174
00:58:50,680 --> 00:58:55,520
Speaker 1: just a dysfunctional environment and club and culture all the

1175
00:58:55,520 --> 00:58:58,760
Speaker 1: way around. And so I told my agent I wanted

1176
00:58:58,800 --> 00:59:01,560
Speaker 1: out of Spain because it was a experience. Um. But

1177
00:59:01,600 --> 00:59:04,960
Speaker 1: the Studiantes came with a really strong offer. It was Madrid.

1178
00:59:05,320 --> 00:59:08,560
Speaker 1: I just got married, and the German league is kind

1179
00:59:08,560 --> 00:59:12,800
Speaker 1: of struggling with budget stuff because they depend upon ticket

1180
00:59:12,840 --> 00:59:14,960
Speaker 1: sales and there's no ticket sales during COVID, so like

1181
00:59:15,000 --> 00:59:17,680
Speaker 1: a lot of the teams are down. UM. In the

1182
00:59:17,680 --> 00:59:20,600
Speaker 1: Italian league really hadn't picked up on on the interest level,

1183
00:59:21,160 --> 00:59:22,760
Speaker 1: and I was like, look, this is probably the best

1184
00:59:22,760 --> 00:59:25,760
Speaker 1: offer I'm gonna get. It's Madrid. I don't really want

1185
00:59:25,760 --> 00:59:28,560
Speaker 1: to go back to second division, but this club is

1186
00:59:28,760 --> 00:59:32,720
Speaker 1: a fantastic club and it's in my opinion, probably one

1187
00:59:32,720 --> 00:59:35,000
Speaker 1: of the best seas in all Europe. So I talked

1188
00:59:35,040 --> 00:59:36,800
Speaker 1: to my wife and we agree that this would be

1189
00:59:37,000 --> 00:59:41,320
Speaker 1: a fantastic first year of marriage. So went here. How

1190
00:59:41,320 --> 00:59:46,560
Speaker 1: did you meet her? We met on dating a really yeah,

1191
00:59:46,760 --> 00:59:51,080
Speaker 1: when right right right when COVID started, when I came home.

1192
00:59:52,320 --> 00:59:54,440
Speaker 1: So you came home, you came home. You're on your

1193
00:59:54,600 --> 00:59:58,600
Speaker 1: but you're on lockdown, you're val lockdown. This relationships violated.

1194
00:59:58,760 --> 01:00:00,440
Speaker 1: I went to a beach and walk with her for

1195
01:00:00,480 --> 01:00:02,960
Speaker 1: about a month and we did four four beach walk

1196
01:00:03,080 --> 01:00:05,400
Speaker 1: month dates and then things started to open up a

1197
01:00:05,400 --> 01:00:08,840
Speaker 1: little bit again, and uh, we continue the relationship for

1198
01:00:08,920 --> 01:00:11,720
Speaker 1: I think five months before I had head back overseas.

1199
01:00:12,000 --> 01:00:14,040
Speaker 1: We did nine months long distance and I was like, look,

1200
01:00:14,440 --> 01:00:16,600
Speaker 1: I love this girl. I'm twenty eight, I know what

1201
01:00:16,640 --> 01:00:19,000
Speaker 1: I want and I've proposed as soon as I got home.

1202
01:00:20,040 --> 01:00:21,760
Speaker 1: How is she? How's she been on the travel and

1203
01:00:21,840 --> 01:00:24,480
Speaker 1: being away? Because you know, when you're away, you're away.

1204
01:00:24,880 --> 01:00:27,840
Speaker 1: And I know it's more connected now than it was

1205
01:00:28,200 --> 01:00:30,640
Speaker 1: five years ago, ten years ago, fifteen, twenty years ago,

1206
01:00:30,800 --> 01:00:33,760
Speaker 1: but you're still not in America. How much you liked

1207
01:00:33,960 --> 01:00:37,520
Speaker 1: has you been with it? She's learning, it's a process

1208
01:00:37,600 --> 01:00:40,600
Speaker 1: because at first, like my first few trips, she was

1209
01:00:40,680 --> 01:00:42,120
Speaker 1: just stayed in the in the house all day. And

1210
01:00:42,160 --> 01:00:43,880
Speaker 1: she's not that of person. She needs to be outside,

1211
01:00:43,920 --> 01:00:45,840
Speaker 1: she needs to be on the sun. But she doesn't

1212
01:00:45,840 --> 01:00:47,720
Speaker 1: just know how to get around. She doesn't know what's like.

1213
01:00:47,920 --> 01:00:50,320
Speaker 1: She doesn't realize how much safer it is in Europe,

1214
01:00:50,560 --> 01:00:53,320
Speaker 1: specifically in Spain, I should say the other places in

1215
01:00:53,640 --> 01:00:56,000
Speaker 1: the United States. So it's kind of cool to see

1216
01:00:56,000 --> 01:00:58,080
Speaker 1: her now, like she kind of understands how the metro works,

1217
01:00:58,120 --> 01:00:59,680
Speaker 1: so she can get around the city. If she wants

1218
01:00:59,680 --> 01:01:01,160
Speaker 1: to go to the beautiful park here in the trade

1219
01:01:01,240 --> 01:01:03,800
Speaker 1: or tier A park, she go there when I'm gone. Um.

1220
01:01:04,200 --> 01:01:06,040
Speaker 1: She found a church that she went to on one

1221
01:01:06,080 --> 01:01:07,600
Speaker 1: of my other road games when I had a game

1222
01:01:07,640 --> 01:01:11,080
Speaker 1: on a Sunday, um. And so it's kind of fun

1223
01:01:11,120 --> 01:01:13,240
Speaker 1: to watch her. She's not she'sn't really been out of

1224
01:01:13,240 --> 01:01:15,880
Speaker 1: San Diego much, so she's like kind of learning this

1225
01:01:15,960 --> 01:01:18,680
Speaker 1: whole new travel side and how to operate on her

1226
01:01:18,760 --> 01:01:21,320
Speaker 1: on her own in a different different country. Are you

1227
01:01:21,360 --> 01:01:27,000
Speaker 1: putting money away? Yeah, that's you're careful about the that's

1228
01:01:27,000 --> 01:01:28,800
Speaker 1: a beautiful about plan I think over here is it's

1229
01:01:28,880 --> 01:01:31,240
Speaker 1: all after tax, and they pay for the apartment, the

1230
01:01:31,280 --> 01:01:34,640
Speaker 1: car and uh and the utility. So like what I

1231
01:01:34,680 --> 01:01:38,680
Speaker 1: make is purely savings. So what is So your plan

1232
01:01:39,480 --> 01:01:41,400
Speaker 1: is put it up, put as much as away as

1233
01:01:41,400 --> 01:01:44,960
Speaker 1: you can, play as long as you can. And then

1234
01:01:47,120 --> 01:01:51,840
Speaker 1: that's a great question. Um, we actually have tooken a

1235
01:01:51,920 --> 01:01:53,600
Speaker 1: I've done this the last two years. But I'm one

1236
01:01:53,640 --> 01:01:55,640
Speaker 1: year at a time, so I have it to year

1237
01:01:55,680 --> 01:01:59,200
Speaker 1: contract here, so I will obviously um uphold that. But

1238
01:02:00,080 --> 01:02:04,600
Speaker 1: um we'll evaluate at the end of each season whether

1239
01:02:04,640 --> 01:02:06,600
Speaker 1: it's it makes sense for us to continue doing this

1240
01:02:06,760 --> 01:02:10,320
Speaker 1: or if it's time to move on. And and you know,

1241
01:02:10,480 --> 01:02:12,280
Speaker 1: for me to find a job in the real world,

1242
01:02:12,320 --> 01:02:14,480
Speaker 1: which I don't really know where I want to go

1243
01:02:14,520 --> 01:02:16,600
Speaker 1: with it. I think I love basketball so much that

1244
01:02:16,600 --> 01:02:18,880
Speaker 1: would be hard to be away from the game. So

1245
01:02:19,000 --> 01:02:24,040
Speaker 1: coaching training, um, I mean the development like the cradle

1246
01:02:24,080 --> 01:02:29,360
Speaker 1: of NBA coaches, right, I know. Connections it really is.

1247
01:02:29,480 --> 01:02:32,880
Speaker 1: It's it's a really cool Sports Illustrated article came out

1248
01:02:32,880 --> 01:02:36,000
Speaker 1: a few years ago. Um, that's cool. Yeah. And then

1249
01:02:36,040 --> 01:02:38,120
Speaker 1: of course you got your connection with Nick, which which

1250
01:02:38,160 --> 01:02:40,120
Speaker 1: puts you in that kind of basketball family. That that's

1251
01:02:40,120 --> 01:02:44,960
Speaker 1: how it. Um, shooting an incredible shooter. What do you

1252
01:02:44,960 --> 01:02:48,400
Speaker 1: look at? What's your targeting? My dad always taught me

1253
01:02:48,440 --> 01:02:49,880
Speaker 1: to look at the back of the rim, you know,

1254
01:02:49,920 --> 01:02:52,919
Speaker 1: that little slit in the rim. It's funny having talked

1255
01:02:52,960 --> 01:02:55,320
Speaker 1: to Steve and Nick, they both are look at the

1256
01:02:55,320 --> 01:03:01,840
Speaker 1: ball guys, um. And so for me, I think at

1257
01:03:01,880 --> 01:03:03,240
Speaker 1: times I look at the back of the rim. But

1258
01:03:03,280 --> 01:03:05,000
Speaker 1: I think it's just really natural to look at the

1259
01:03:05,000 --> 01:03:08,200
Speaker 1: ball and then to trust the feel um. So I

1260
01:03:08,240 --> 01:03:12,080
Speaker 1: think I've kind of transitioned into that almost subconsciously, because

1261
01:03:12,120 --> 01:03:16,840
Speaker 1: it's it's very natural. What is I feel like everybody has,

1262
01:03:16,960 --> 01:03:20,600
Speaker 1: even the best, have some something about their shot that

1263
01:03:20,600 --> 01:03:23,200
Speaker 1: they're constantly having to monitor, Like I can't do this.

1264
01:03:23,320 --> 01:03:26,040
Speaker 1: If I do that, this will get kind of screwed up.

1265
01:03:26,120 --> 01:03:28,440
Speaker 1: Or I have this one kind of flaw that I

1266
01:03:28,800 --> 01:03:31,760
Speaker 1: probably wouldn't tell anybody about because just in my brain,

1267
01:03:32,240 --> 01:03:35,360
Speaker 1: what's your what's your thing? What's your thing? My left hand,

1268
01:03:35,800 --> 01:03:38,800
Speaker 1: my left hand and get a little twitchy, or if

1269
01:03:38,840 --> 01:03:42,800
Speaker 1: you look when I finished, I finished like this a

1270
01:03:42,840 --> 01:03:45,520
Speaker 1: lot of times. And so it's weird because I don't

1271
01:03:45,560 --> 01:03:47,720
Speaker 1: shoot it. I don't actually flick it, just my hand

1272
01:03:47,760 --> 01:03:50,520
Speaker 1: does that. But because I do this sometimes the thumb

1273
01:03:50,560 --> 01:03:54,760
Speaker 1: does come in and it kicks it a little right. Um.

1274
01:03:54,800 --> 01:03:57,080
Speaker 1: But honestly, more than anything, I think it's it's the

1275
01:03:57,160 --> 01:03:59,320
Speaker 1: risk flexibility because if you have I think I entered

1276
01:03:59,360 --> 01:04:01,200
Speaker 1: at once that some times I don't cock it all

1277
01:04:01,240 --> 01:04:03,440
Speaker 1: the way and so when it when it, when it

1278
01:04:03,440 --> 01:04:05,320
Speaker 1: gets just here, it's really easy for me to push

1279
01:04:05,360 --> 01:04:07,400
Speaker 1: my shot rather than to get it here and be

1280
01:04:07,440 --> 01:04:10,640
Speaker 1: able to roll that. Most three you've ever had any game,

1281
01:04:12,920 --> 01:04:15,920
Speaker 1: I think, don't lea gooms don't count. Oh man, I

1282
01:04:15,920 --> 01:04:19,600
Speaker 1: would have been different. Um, college was eight. I want

1283
01:04:19,600 --> 01:04:23,120
Speaker 1: to say pro was the same. Okay, so who's the

1284
01:04:23,320 --> 01:04:27,439
Speaker 1: pros against it? Pro was against It was my first

1285
01:04:27,520 --> 01:04:29,600
Speaker 1: year in Spain and it was against the team that

1286
01:04:29,800 --> 01:04:31,880
Speaker 1: was that won the league that year. It was against

1287
01:04:31,880 --> 01:04:33,800
Speaker 1: the best team in that lee. What's that feeling like?

1288
01:04:35,080 --> 01:04:36,800
Speaker 1: I was awesome. There was a road game too, so

1289
01:04:37,000 --> 01:04:39,520
Speaker 1: I mean I think I had I think I had

1290
01:04:39,840 --> 01:04:41,760
Speaker 1: six of them, no, five of them in the first quarter,

1291
01:04:41,800 --> 01:04:43,440
Speaker 1: and they had seventeen in the first quarter. So I

1292
01:04:43,560 --> 01:04:47,200
Speaker 1: was I was eating up the kind of road I

1293
01:04:47,280 --> 01:04:48,680
Speaker 1: like being on the road. I don't know. There was

1294
01:04:48,760 --> 01:04:52,200
Speaker 1: a fun environment. Um. It's interesting because it's one of

1295
01:04:52,240 --> 01:04:53,920
Speaker 1: those deals I always felt like first quarter is a

1296
01:04:53,960 --> 01:04:57,680
Speaker 1: great way to steal points because dudes are just not ready.

1297
01:04:58,200 --> 01:05:00,360
Speaker 1: It's just not like you can I was the guy

1298
01:05:00,400 --> 01:05:02,120
Speaker 1: could shoot. So you get a lay up here, lay

1299
01:05:02,160 --> 01:05:03,560
Speaker 1: up there or whatever. You just kind of get some

1300
01:05:03,680 --> 01:05:05,720
Speaker 1: get some points going if you were really ready to play.

1301
01:05:06,560 --> 01:05:08,920
Speaker 1: UM and overseas kind of much the same right where

1302
01:05:09,000 --> 01:05:10,920
Speaker 1: guys are just kind of slugging it out going through

1303
01:05:10,920 --> 01:05:13,480
Speaker 1: the motions. You can get an open shot here. There's

1304
01:05:13,560 --> 01:05:16,280
Speaker 1: it usually comes in the first quarter. And I felt

1305
01:05:16,320 --> 01:05:18,480
Speaker 1: like most of my coaches always the first play of

1306
01:05:18,520 --> 01:05:20,280
Speaker 1: the game, they would run it for me, and it

1307
01:05:20,400 --> 01:05:23,240
Speaker 1: was always like not a play that we practice the time,

1308
01:05:23,360 --> 01:05:24,840
Speaker 1: So it wasn't like you could have scouted it. It

1309
01:05:24,920 --> 01:05:26,080
Speaker 1: was kind of a new one. It was like a

1310
01:05:26,160 --> 01:05:28,120
Speaker 1: quick hitter, and so I felt like I was going

1311
01:05:28,160 --> 01:05:29,960
Speaker 1: to get an open look to start the game no

1312
01:05:30,040 --> 01:05:34,240
Speaker 1: matter what. And I love that feeling. Um, Okay, step

1313
01:05:34,360 --> 01:05:40,200
Speaker 1: or Clay better shooter stuff. Sure, there's no hesitation there.

1314
01:05:41,440 --> 01:05:45,080
Speaker 1: That's the greatest shooter ever. Um. Clay's obviously probably the

1315
01:05:45,120 --> 01:05:48,680
Speaker 1: second best greatest shooter ever. Um, but what stuff does

1316
01:05:48,760 --> 01:05:51,840
Speaker 1: from a range standpoint, off the dribble, how does he

1317
01:05:51,960 --> 01:05:53,520
Speaker 1: do it. How do how does he do the range?

1318
01:05:53,760 --> 01:05:56,080
Speaker 1: I don't understand it. I don't understand it either, And

1319
01:05:56,280 --> 01:05:58,520
Speaker 1: Dame's doing it now too, so it's it's like incredible

1320
01:05:58,560 --> 01:06:01,880
Speaker 1: that two of them are doing that. Um. But I

1321
01:06:01,920 --> 01:06:04,400
Speaker 1: mean I can watch him and his highlights any day

1322
01:06:04,400 --> 01:06:06,320
Speaker 1: of the week. It's it's fun to watch Nick because

1323
01:06:06,480 --> 01:06:08,360
Speaker 1: Nick rebounds from a bunch and I always see the

1324
01:06:08,440 --> 01:06:12,160
Speaker 1: Golden State Warriors uh tweet out highlights and so it's

1325
01:06:12,200 --> 01:06:13,760
Speaker 1: fun to watch him get to rebound for him. And

1326
01:06:13,880 --> 01:06:15,960
Speaker 1: I literally I texted him last year about when he

1327
01:06:16,000 --> 01:06:19,680
Speaker 1: made a hundred seventeen, like what was the what was

1328
01:06:19,760 --> 01:06:23,440
Speaker 1: the environment? What were you doing? Like like on Eggshow

1329
01:06:23,440 --> 01:06:24,960
Speaker 1: because you don't want to jink sit Like what was

1330
01:06:25,040 --> 01:06:27,000
Speaker 1: that like? And he said it was a spiritual experience

1331
01:06:27,080 --> 01:06:30,360
Speaker 1: because nobody said the thing. It was just a rhythm

1332
01:06:30,440 --> 01:06:32,480
Speaker 1: thing where I got out the net, I kicked to

1333
01:06:32,520 --> 01:06:34,880
Speaker 1: the guy passed into him and it was dred seventeen

1334
01:06:34,920 --> 01:06:39,640
Speaker 1: in a row, D seventeen threes and around. Crazy. That's

1335
01:06:39,640 --> 01:06:43,720
Speaker 1: the craziest time. I'd like, that's obscene. Just one time

1336
01:06:43,760 --> 01:06:45,840
Speaker 1: you get one that rattles out, you know, like I

1337
01:06:46,120 --> 01:06:49,720
Speaker 1: don't seven teams that you know, that machine they had

1338
01:06:49,800 --> 01:06:51,280
Speaker 1: the Olympics that I don't think they can make a

1339
01:06:51,320 --> 01:06:57,800
Speaker 1: hundred seventeen a round, no robot looking thing. Um okay,

1340
01:06:57,840 --> 01:07:02,720
Speaker 1: So the eight in college were against Too Maine. I

1341
01:07:02,800 --> 01:07:06,840
Speaker 1: want to say Homer Road Home. I was a freshman.

1342
01:07:07,000 --> 01:07:08,960
Speaker 1: Never never broke that record again. I thought I'd break

1343
01:07:09,000 --> 01:07:11,320
Speaker 1: it again, but I always wanted to make ten, but

1344
01:07:11,480 --> 01:07:14,800
Speaker 1: it just never happened. Eight is eight is a lot.

1345
01:07:15,360 --> 01:07:17,800
Speaker 1: Eight is that's that's that's I think it was like

1346
01:07:17,880 --> 01:07:20,160
Speaker 1: eight for fourteen that game too. Remember thinking like I

1347
01:07:20,240 --> 01:07:22,880
Speaker 1: missed some good looks, So I was pretty disappointed. Actually

1348
01:07:23,320 --> 01:07:26,160
Speaker 1: you're like, I missed good looks. Everybody else like that's

1349
01:07:26,160 --> 01:07:29,800
Speaker 1: the great shooting prom that some great looks that I

1350
01:07:29,920 --> 01:07:32,240
Speaker 1: kid and and and if this guy wasn't so selfish,

1351
01:07:32,240 --> 01:07:33,520
Speaker 1: it would have gotten five more looks. I would have

1352
01:07:33,560 --> 01:07:38,440
Speaker 1: made four more exactly. Uh okay, So close your eyes

1353
01:07:38,520 --> 01:07:41,280
Speaker 1: and picture yourself in ten years. Where are you What

1354
01:07:41,400 --> 01:07:46,000
Speaker 1: are you doing? I think I'm I'm training high school kids,

1355
01:07:47,000 --> 01:07:51,480
Speaker 1: maybe the occasional middle school kid as well. UM probably

1356
01:07:51,520 --> 01:07:54,080
Speaker 1: have two kids in my own. My wife's working as

1357
01:07:54,080 --> 01:07:58,880
Speaker 1: an occupational therapist at a elementary school, and ideally we're

1358
01:07:58,880 --> 01:08:03,720
Speaker 1: still in California. Um, your your maintenance? Do you? Are

1359
01:08:03,760 --> 01:08:06,120
Speaker 1: you a big stretcher? Now? Do you do yoga now? Yeah?

1360
01:08:06,400 --> 01:08:10,000
Speaker 1: Ice and stuff? Yeah. I think that was something that

1361
01:08:10,960 --> 01:08:12,760
Speaker 1: I'm thankful I went to a college where that stuff

1362
01:08:12,800 --> 01:08:15,160
Speaker 1: was like available, and I wish I would have done

1363
01:08:15,160 --> 01:08:18,600
Speaker 1: more of it. Um. But yeah, definitely much bigger on

1364
01:08:18,800 --> 01:08:21,439
Speaker 1: taking care of my body. Stretching before bed, stretching, when

1365
01:08:21,479 --> 01:08:24,280
Speaker 1: I get up, Um, I put my feet or full

1366
01:08:24,320 --> 01:08:28,400
Speaker 1: body in an ice bath after every practice. UM, I

1367
01:08:28,520 --> 01:08:30,680
Speaker 1: try to do something with the physio guy out here

1368
01:08:30,680 --> 01:08:33,360
Speaker 1: at least once a week. And then I would say

1369
01:08:33,479 --> 01:08:35,040
Speaker 1: when we do weight room, which is two three times

1370
01:08:35,080 --> 01:08:37,280
Speaker 1: a week, I'm always there twenty five minutes early to

1371
01:08:37,360 --> 01:08:42,360
Speaker 1: do some type of mobility work, whether that's um strength

1372
01:08:43,040 --> 01:08:45,760
Speaker 1: or just like passive stretching, just so I can get

1373
01:08:45,800 --> 01:08:47,960
Speaker 1: warmed up that way, and then obviously to do something

1374
01:08:48,040 --> 01:08:51,280
Speaker 1: as well before practice because I can't anymore. I'm only

1375
01:08:51,320 --> 01:08:55,360
Speaker 1: twenty year. I can't imagine I'll be like a thirty two. Um,

1376
01:08:55,520 --> 01:08:58,560
Speaker 1: I can't walk down the steps to practice and be

1377
01:08:58,640 --> 01:09:01,240
Speaker 1: ready to go like it takes me a good warm

1378
01:09:01,320 --> 01:09:04,760
Speaker 1: up to be ready. Um. Okay, so are you a

1379
01:09:04,840 --> 01:09:08,519
Speaker 1: morning practice? Just caught you a coffee guy, now, um,

1380
01:09:08,880 --> 01:09:12,720
Speaker 1: now yeah, now, yet I have I've always thought I've

1381
01:09:12,720 --> 01:09:14,439
Speaker 1: had like a good amount of energy. And I go

1382
01:09:14,560 --> 01:09:16,880
Speaker 1: to bed fairly early, so I'm up by seven or

1383
01:09:16,880 --> 01:09:19,760
Speaker 1: eight o'clock. And so we practiced eleven out here and

1384
01:09:19,840 --> 01:09:21,880
Speaker 1: it's perfect for me. So I'm ready. I'm generally ready

1385
01:09:21,920 --> 01:09:26,519
Speaker 1: to go. Um, no coffee needed your pre game routine. Okay,

1386
01:09:26,720 --> 01:09:31,040
Speaker 1: games games at seven, It's just okay, games is seven.

1387
01:09:31,439 --> 01:09:34,200
Speaker 1: What's your give me your give me your day home

1388
01:09:34,280 --> 01:09:37,280
Speaker 1: game has never changed. Um, I would like to be

1389
01:09:37,360 --> 01:09:39,120
Speaker 1: at the gym two hours before the game. So if

1390
01:09:39,120 --> 01:09:42,559
Speaker 1: the games at seven, I'm probably waking up at thirty

1391
01:09:43,560 --> 01:09:46,439
Speaker 1: a good breakfast. But more importantly it's for me, is

1392
01:09:46,479 --> 01:09:50,120
Speaker 1: like just a good lunch of like chicken, veggies, maybe um,

1393
01:09:50,720 --> 01:09:53,559
Speaker 1: a potato in there, I don't know. Um, And then

1394
01:09:54,200 --> 01:09:57,040
Speaker 1: I'm at the gym two hours before the game. It's

1395
01:09:57,080 --> 01:09:59,840
Speaker 1: been like clockwork since I was a freshman in Call

1396
01:10:00,000 --> 01:10:02,400
Speaker 1: and so first thing I do is I get like

1397
01:10:02,520 --> 01:10:06,240
Speaker 1: a good twenty five minute workout in a shooting workout. Um.

1398
01:10:06,640 --> 01:10:09,639
Speaker 1: And it's kind of been the same to be honest

1399
01:10:09,680 --> 01:10:12,559
Speaker 1: for the last few years, where I know what shots

1400
01:10:12,600 --> 01:10:13,960
Speaker 1: I want to warm up with and what shots I

1401
01:10:14,000 --> 01:10:15,720
Speaker 1: think I'm getting in a game, and so I kind

1402
01:10:15,720 --> 01:10:18,160
Speaker 1: of mimic those. After I do that, I go to

1403
01:10:18,240 --> 01:10:21,280
Speaker 1: the weight room and I just do some mobility work

1404
01:10:21,400 --> 01:10:24,200
Speaker 1: to make sure like my hips are feeling like active,

1405
01:10:24,320 --> 01:10:28,439
Speaker 1: strong and whatnot, hamstrings are alive, and maybe a little

1406
01:10:28,439 --> 01:10:30,200
Speaker 1: bit of ankle mobility so that I can like plant

1407
01:10:30,240 --> 01:10:34,479
Speaker 1: and move. And then I like to read the Bible

1408
01:10:34,520 --> 01:10:37,080
Speaker 1: about an hour before the game. And then generally out

1409
01:10:37,160 --> 01:10:39,439
Speaker 1: here they want to start like the team warm up,

1410
01:10:39,479 --> 01:10:42,679
Speaker 1: if you will, fifty minutes for the emails for the game.

1411
01:10:42,760 --> 01:10:45,719
Speaker 1: So I got about ten minutes and just chill, rest,

1412
01:10:46,200 --> 01:10:47,880
Speaker 1: kind of get my mind right. I like to sit

1413
01:10:47,920 --> 01:10:49,680
Speaker 1: on the bench watch my teammates warm up and then

1414
01:10:49,960 --> 01:10:53,000
Speaker 1: get ready for the team warm up. You always read

1415
01:10:53,040 --> 01:10:58,240
Speaker 1: the same the same passage, Yeah, which one Colossians three.

1416
01:10:59,280 --> 01:11:02,479
Speaker 1: What's it say? It's just about the overall chapter just

1417
01:11:02,560 --> 01:11:05,479
Speaker 1: about kind of everything that you do doing not for

1418
01:11:06,120 --> 01:11:08,840
Speaker 1: the approval of man, but for you know, the approval

1419
01:11:08,880 --> 01:11:11,200
Speaker 1: of God. So for me it's reminded that, look, I'm

1420
01:11:11,240 --> 01:11:13,160
Speaker 1: not playing for myself out there. I got a team

1421
01:11:13,240 --> 01:11:16,519
Speaker 1: to compete with, and I got a God that I

1422
01:11:16,560 --> 01:11:18,320
Speaker 1: believe I'm an ambassador for and so I want to

1423
01:11:18,360 --> 01:11:21,240
Speaker 1: represent him well and not be a I don't know,

1424
01:11:21,360 --> 01:11:24,080
Speaker 1: any egotistic maniac. But also at the same time to

1425
01:11:24,080 --> 01:11:25,960
Speaker 1: be very competitive. I believe God has given me a

1426
01:11:26,040 --> 01:11:28,280
Speaker 1: spirit of competitiveness to go out there and compete. So

1427
01:11:28,920 --> 01:11:33,240
Speaker 1: for me, it's a perspective thing. Um, you get done

1428
01:11:34,000 --> 01:11:38,920
Speaker 1: home game? What what then? What's what's your routine? Oh

1429
01:11:39,000 --> 01:11:40,840
Speaker 1: that's a good one. Um, that would be interesting because

1430
01:11:40,840 --> 01:11:42,280
Speaker 1: I've never had a wife to come home too, so

1431
01:11:42,479 --> 01:11:45,240
Speaker 1: I'm sure that will change now. But normally I love

1432
01:11:45,240 --> 01:11:46,920
Speaker 1: when we plan on Sunday because anything, I gonna come

1433
01:11:46,960 --> 01:11:50,599
Speaker 1: and watch American football. Um, yeah, I'd normally come home

1434
01:11:50,640 --> 01:11:55,000
Speaker 1: and chill because you've sometimes after a game where you've

1435
01:11:55,280 --> 01:11:57,040
Speaker 1: you've normally had to shoot around in the morning anyway,

1436
01:11:57,120 --> 01:11:58,760
Speaker 1: so after a full day of sports, you're like your

1437
01:11:58,800 --> 01:12:01,320
Speaker 1: body is just wrecked. So I always try to find

1438
01:12:01,360 --> 01:12:03,880
Speaker 1: like a good movie or a good good, good something

1439
01:12:03,960 --> 01:12:07,040
Speaker 1: to watch and have dinner and go to bed and

1440
01:12:07,280 --> 01:12:11,559
Speaker 1: hopefully have a nice soft day. Favorite movie. Oh that's

1441
01:12:11,600 --> 01:12:16,000
Speaker 1: such a tough question. I don't know. Let's just talk

1442
01:12:16,000 --> 01:12:19,880
Speaker 1: about about this. Uh, gladiators up there, and then obviously

1443
01:12:20,080 --> 01:12:22,960
Speaker 1: I love like this is very millennial at me. But

1444
01:12:23,240 --> 01:12:25,000
Speaker 1: The Dark Knight or Dark Knight Rises are two of

1445
01:12:25,040 --> 01:12:29,160
Speaker 1: my favorites. So I mean he's as a director. I

1446
01:12:29,200 --> 01:12:34,320
Speaker 1: mean he's so good. Christians for Nolan so good. It's

1447
01:12:34,360 --> 01:12:35,760
Speaker 1: like one of the things that pains me for my

1448
01:12:35,960 --> 01:12:38,280
Speaker 1: my semi sons, twelbum Like, dude, we gotta watch the

1449
01:12:38,920 --> 01:12:40,600
Speaker 1: We gotta watch the Christian Nolan Batman. It's like I

1450
01:12:40,600 --> 01:12:42,920
Speaker 1: don't like Batman. Damn Like none in the Batman doesn't.

1451
01:12:43,680 --> 01:12:46,400
Speaker 1: He hasn't watched it. He doesn't know, isn't, No, don't. Yeah,

1452
01:12:47,680 --> 01:12:50,840
Speaker 1: the Dark Knight is unbelievable and that performance by each

1453
01:12:50,920 --> 01:12:55,160
Speaker 1: Leger unbelievable. Yeah, it's really really good. I got watching

1454
01:12:55,200 --> 01:12:58,400
Speaker 1: with him this this weekend. We has him. No, I

1455
01:12:58,439 --> 01:13:00,720
Speaker 1: just got into where now he's watching Pulls or so,

1456
01:13:00,880 --> 01:13:04,400
Speaker 1: because you know they all watched it. Yeah, it's really

1457
01:13:04,560 --> 01:13:09,719
Speaker 1: it's very, very very cool. Um. Okay, one thing about marriage,

1458
01:13:09,800 --> 01:13:14,360
Speaker 1: you did not know until you got married. I did

1459
01:13:14,439 --> 01:13:18,840
Speaker 1: not know that women have hair go all over the place,

1460
01:13:21,120 --> 01:13:23,280
Speaker 1: like in the shower, on the floor. So that's good

1461
01:13:23,880 --> 01:13:26,599
Speaker 1: everywhere everywhere. It's incredible. And I'm blonde, so even if

1462
01:13:26,600 --> 01:13:28,000
Speaker 1: it happened to me, like you did want to see it,

1463
01:13:28,120 --> 01:13:30,920
Speaker 1: But she's got brown hair, so I'm picking it up

1464
01:13:30,920 --> 01:13:34,280
Speaker 1: all the time. Now did she have what did she

1465
01:13:34,400 --> 01:13:37,360
Speaker 1: have any idea of who you were? Anything about your story?

1466
01:13:37,439 --> 01:13:39,400
Speaker 1: Like you like I'm a basketbab player, Like you're six

1467
01:13:39,560 --> 01:13:44,559
Speaker 1: white dude? Her her family? What was that? Were those

1468
01:13:44,600 --> 01:13:48,720
Speaker 1: conversations like this was weird? So I played an All

1469
01:13:48,800 --> 01:13:52,080
Speaker 1: Star game my senior in high school and I actually

1470
01:13:52,240 --> 01:13:56,679
Speaker 1: beat her ex boyfriend of the time, I know, small world.

1471
01:13:56,760 --> 01:13:59,439
Speaker 1: So she was at the game, the All Star game. Um,

1472
01:13:59,680 --> 01:14:02,639
Speaker 1: and we didn't put this together until obviously later. Um.

1473
01:14:03,160 --> 01:14:05,479
Speaker 1: But she she actually had heard of my name, but

1474
01:14:05,600 --> 01:14:08,280
Speaker 1: we did not know each other until you beat her.

1475
01:14:08,680 --> 01:14:11,400
Speaker 1: Question and now you took his girl, I mean, yeah,

1476
01:14:11,520 --> 01:14:14,559
Speaker 1: I know that that guy's got you on the list.

1477
01:14:14,640 --> 01:14:18,920
Speaker 1: Somewhere somewhere, there's some guy smoking cigarette gotten out there

1478
01:14:19,400 --> 01:14:22,400
Speaker 1: and he says he's got you on the list. That's funny,

1479
01:14:22,760 --> 01:14:25,000
Speaker 1: And you're gonna run into him in the bar, you know,

1480
01:14:25,200 --> 01:14:27,320
Speaker 1: we run into him in a picnic with kids or something.

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01:14:27,400 --> 01:14:30,080
Speaker 1: Years later. Then I always hated you, and now you're

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01:14:30,160 --> 01:14:31,880
Speaker 1: kind of a good guy, which is funny because I

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01:14:31,880 --> 01:14:33,719
Speaker 1: always thought he was a cool guy. I always considered

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01:14:33,760 --> 01:14:35,800
Speaker 1: him somewhat of a friend because we weren't like he

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01:14:35,880 --> 01:14:38,120
Speaker 1: was East County and I was North County. But like,

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01:14:38,280 --> 01:14:40,600
Speaker 1: if I ever saw him, I remember you like, it's up, bro,

1487
01:14:40,920 --> 01:14:44,240
Speaker 1: But I don't know how he feels about me now, Um,

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01:14:44,920 --> 01:14:50,760
Speaker 1: how where does the belief in self come from? Like, look,

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01:14:51,360 --> 01:14:54,200
Speaker 1: if we're honest, you will walk on college. I know

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01:14:54,240 --> 01:14:57,600
Speaker 1: you got his scholarship whatever we had one offer, but

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01:14:57,760 --> 01:15:00,160
Speaker 1: there was never never felt like in talking to you

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01:15:00,479 --> 01:15:03,720
Speaker 1: or watching you that there was this wasn't what I

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01:15:03,840 --> 01:15:06,080
Speaker 1: was meant to be meant to do. And part of

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01:15:06,120 --> 01:15:08,840
Speaker 1: it probably comes from you had success early so you

1495
01:15:08,920 --> 01:15:11,720
Speaker 1: didn't have to question yourself. But I think you know,

1496
01:15:12,080 --> 01:15:15,639
Speaker 1: confidence not arrogance, but confidence is such a huge key

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01:15:16,280 --> 01:15:19,719
Speaker 1: to this entire thing. Where does that come from? Especially

1498
01:15:19,760 --> 01:15:21,640
Speaker 1: with shooting? I think too it because it's just so

1499
01:15:21,800 --> 01:15:23,479
Speaker 1: easy to lose that. And I think that's why I

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01:15:23,560 --> 01:15:25,880
Speaker 1: like golf so much, because it tests your confidence as

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01:15:25,920 --> 01:15:29,479
Speaker 1: a person. Um, I would say it comes from my

1502
01:15:29,640 --> 01:15:33,599
Speaker 1: faith because for me, it allows me to not think

1503
01:15:33,640 --> 01:15:36,160
Speaker 1: about maybe the consequences of a bad game or the

1504
01:15:36,200 --> 01:15:39,600
Speaker 1: consequences of misshop because I truly believe that regardless of

1505
01:15:39,680 --> 01:15:42,240
Speaker 1: what happens, that I've been given this opportunity for a

1506
01:15:42,320 --> 01:15:45,240
Speaker 1: reason and that things will work out one way or

1507
01:15:45,240 --> 01:15:48,599
Speaker 1: the other, and that you know, I'm I've been given

1508
01:15:48,640 --> 01:15:51,799
Speaker 1: a skill set to where it'll it'll it will eventually

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01:15:51,880 --> 01:15:53,720
Speaker 1: work out, So I don't need to doubt myself or

1510
01:15:53,760 --> 01:15:55,840
Speaker 1: doubt the opportunity, and I can just go out there

1511
01:15:55,880 --> 01:15:59,240
Speaker 1: and enjoy and try my very very best and if

1512
01:15:59,280 --> 01:16:01,400
Speaker 1: it doesn't work out, then we find, you know, something

1513
01:16:01,439 --> 01:16:04,960
Speaker 1: else to do. Um. And I would also say that

1514
01:16:04,960 --> 01:16:07,840
Speaker 1: I think my parents and still that confidence me from

1515
01:16:07,840 --> 01:16:09,920
Speaker 1: a very early age because they've always believed in me

1516
01:16:09,960 --> 01:16:15,480
Speaker 1: and they've always um supported me. Um. My Dad's been fantastic,

1517
01:16:16,439 --> 01:16:18,479
Speaker 1: I would say, fantastic father to have, especially in sport,

1518
01:16:18,520 --> 01:16:20,400
Speaker 1: because it was never about how I played. It was

1519
01:16:20,520 --> 01:16:23,280
Speaker 1: it was more about, you know, did I go out

1520
01:16:23,280 --> 01:16:25,280
Speaker 1: there and compete, That I go out there and do

1521
01:16:25,360 --> 01:16:27,599
Speaker 1: the best I can. Have nothing to do with numbers

1522
01:16:27,600 --> 01:16:29,280
Speaker 1: anything that they didn't care about any of that. I

1523
01:16:29,320 --> 01:16:31,920
Speaker 1: remember the only time he ever said anything negative about

1524
01:16:31,920 --> 01:16:35,960
Speaker 1: my performance was when I played like a summer league game.

1525
01:16:36,360 --> 01:16:37,760
Speaker 1: He said, Hey, if you're going to go out there

1526
01:16:37,800 --> 01:16:39,760
Speaker 1: and not play hard, let me know ahead of time.

1527
01:16:40,000 --> 01:16:42,760
Speaker 1: So I don't come watch that, and that's stuck with me.

1528
01:16:43,080 --> 01:16:44,800
Speaker 1: And I was like, all right, I'm I'm not and

1529
01:16:44,880 --> 01:16:47,439
Speaker 1: this find my father again by you know, giving a

1530
01:16:47,520 --> 01:16:49,679
Speaker 1: half effort game when I don't feel like it matters,

1531
01:16:49,720 --> 01:16:52,760
Speaker 1: when really I should be grateful for the opportunity to play, UM,

1532
01:16:53,560 --> 01:16:56,600
Speaker 1: And so I am thankful for kind of having a

1533
01:16:56,680 --> 01:16:58,760
Speaker 1: father and a family that helped me with that and

1534
01:16:58,840 --> 01:17:03,080
Speaker 1: then the confidence since awesome. Listen, I've taken up way

1535
01:17:03,080 --> 01:17:05,560
Speaker 1: too much of your time. I really appreciate you joining me.

1536
01:17:05,720 --> 01:17:07,720
Speaker 1: I can't wait to the follow your season. I like

1537
01:17:07,800 --> 01:17:10,880
Speaker 1: to check back in in the season. Nobody does. It's right,

1538
01:17:11,400 --> 01:17:14,400
Speaker 1: like guys play overseas and all we do is like

1539
01:17:15,160 --> 01:17:16,800
Speaker 1: we we just kind of track it at the end

1540
01:17:16,840 --> 01:17:19,840
Speaker 1: of career. UM. I think it's fascinating and it's a

1541
01:17:20,080 --> 01:17:22,800
Speaker 1: it's like a professional lifestyle that so many dream of

1542
01:17:23,479 --> 01:17:26,280
Speaker 1: going through but don't know what it's actually like. I

1543
01:17:26,600 --> 01:17:29,880
Speaker 1: really really appreciate everything you're sharing. Yeah, well, thank you

1544
01:17:29,880 --> 01:17:31,679
Speaker 1: for having me on. This has been It's been awesome,

1545
01:17:32,240 --> 01:17:34,120
Speaker 1: al right, And then next time you get back in town.

1546
01:17:34,720 --> 01:17:36,680
Speaker 1: I'm recovering from an a c L. I'm an old

1547
01:17:36,760 --> 01:17:39,320
Speaker 1: I'm an old man. I never got her plane, and

1548
01:17:39,439 --> 01:17:44,519
Speaker 1: I was playing golf at aviarra Um beautiful force. Yes, great,

1549
01:17:44,600 --> 01:17:46,400
Speaker 1: and so Buddy Mines texted me, is like, hey man,

1550
01:17:46,439 --> 01:17:49,200
Speaker 1: we only got Fortnite. You come hooping and they're not

1551
01:17:49,360 --> 01:17:52,559
Speaker 1: very good. And I was like, yeah, okay, so I'm

1552
01:17:52,640 --> 01:17:54,920
Speaker 1: driving back. I only played nine because it was backed up.

1553
01:17:54,960 --> 01:17:56,920
Speaker 1: It wasn't much fun. I want to get to this game.

1554
01:17:58,080 --> 01:18:01,719
Speaker 1: So I just calling and texting buddies like I didn't

1555
01:18:01,760 --> 01:18:03,800
Speaker 1: want to be we want didn't want to get hurt.

1556
01:18:03,880 --> 01:18:06,160
Speaker 1: And I played. But you know, the big thing when

1557
01:18:06,160 --> 01:18:08,559
Speaker 1: you get older is like, don't play heavier than you're

1558
01:18:08,560 --> 01:18:10,200
Speaker 1: playing weight. That's when you get hurt. I was it

1559
01:18:10,280 --> 01:18:13,000
Speaker 1: was like probably seven eight pounds everything. I'm playing weight

1560
01:18:13,960 --> 01:18:15,920
Speaker 1: in good shape, but not like when I played. And

1561
01:18:16,040 --> 01:18:18,640
Speaker 1: then I didn't want to play the whole time. And

1562
01:18:18,760 --> 01:18:20,680
Speaker 1: plus you're playing with guys, and I just wanted one

1563
01:18:20,680 --> 01:18:22,920
Speaker 1: of the dude is good. And I had like three

1564
01:18:23,000 --> 01:18:27,160
Speaker 1: buddies like maybe knock into it. So I show up.

1565
01:18:27,280 --> 01:18:30,439
Speaker 1: It's like a six dirty game. I come to my house.

1566
01:18:30,560 --> 01:18:32,960
Speaker 1: I used the doctor dish, I get like get a

1567
01:18:33,040 --> 01:18:36,880
Speaker 1: hundred up, you know, because again, yeah, you don't want

1568
01:18:36,880 --> 01:18:39,320
Speaker 1: to look like a clown out there. So I'm playing.

1569
01:18:39,400 --> 01:18:41,960
Speaker 1: I'm playing good and can kind of control on things.

1570
01:18:43,040 --> 01:18:45,400
Speaker 1: We'll get to the second half and it's getting a

1571
01:18:45,400 --> 01:18:47,400
Speaker 1: little more competitive. Whe I picked me up at half

1572
01:18:47,479 --> 01:18:51,360
Speaker 1: court and I drive past this guy and I like jumped,

1573
01:18:51,400 --> 01:18:53,479
Speaker 1: like came in the lane instead of doing what like

1574
01:18:53,560 --> 01:18:55,760
Speaker 1: the kids do now when you sweep blow or go

1575
01:18:55,880 --> 01:18:57,880
Speaker 1: over sweep high like I kind of like power jumped

1576
01:18:57,920 --> 01:19:00,200
Speaker 1: to the middle and like all of a sudd on

1577
01:19:00,280 --> 01:19:02,280
Speaker 1: my knee rip And I've never been hurt. I knew

1578
01:19:02,320 --> 01:19:06,320
Speaker 1: it right away. Anyway. My point is by time you

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01:19:06,400 --> 01:19:10,600
Speaker 1: get back, I'll be capable of passing to you. I'm not.

1580
01:19:10,720 --> 01:19:13,240
Speaker 1: I can't playing a pickup game with you, but we'll do.

1581
01:19:13,360 --> 01:19:15,600
Speaker 1: We'll break bread that way. It is like cool, all right,

1582
01:19:15,720 --> 01:19:17,680
Speaker 1: that'd be great. I love that. All right. I have

1583
01:19:17,760 --> 01:19:20,439
Speaker 1: a great year, and take care of take care of

1584
01:19:20,479 --> 01:19:22,880
Speaker 1: that wife. And thanks so much for I will say

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01:19:22,960 --> 01:19:26,840
Speaker 1: recovery as well. What's talk We'll talk. Thanks Shane, sure

1586
01:19:27,000 --> 01:19:33,000
Speaker 1: see it. My thanks to Johnny, my thanks to you.

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01:19:33,080 --> 01:19:35,720
Speaker 1: A reminder, check out The Doug Outlip Show daily three

1588
01:19:35,800 --> 01:19:38,160
Speaker 1: to six Eastern twelve to three Pacific. You can download

1589
01:19:38,200 --> 01:19:40,000
Speaker 1: that as a podcast as well. We'll listen to it

1590
01:19:40,040 --> 01:19:42,400
Speaker 1: on Fox Sports Radio, the I Heart Radio app, Fox

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Speaker 1: Sports Trade dot Com, or Series X two oh three.

1592
01:19:46,400 --> 01:19:49,360
Speaker 1: I'm Doug Gottlieb. Hope you enjoyed This is all ball

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