1 00:00:00,880 --> 00:00:09,720 Speaker 1: Crime Stories with Nancy Grace, a US citizen. Nicholas Rossi 2 00:00:10,680 --> 00:00:15,000 Speaker 1: allegedly faked his own death to avoid jail, as now 3 00:00:15,120 --> 00:00:19,040 Speaker 1: headed to trial after a plea deal has been withdrawn. 4 00:00:19,560 --> 00:00:24,400 Speaker 1: Remember Nicholas Rossi who flees to England and Ireland and 5 00:00:24,440 --> 00:00:30,400 Speaker 1: fakes an Irish brogue to change his identity. Yeah, he's 6 00:00:30,480 --> 00:00:33,520 Speaker 1: charged of raping a twenty one year old woman and 7 00:00:33,760 --> 00:00:36,280 Speaker 1: a twenty six year old woman in Salt Lake the 8 00:00:36,479 --> 00:00:40,280 Speaker 1: very same year. He denies all charges. The so called 9 00:00:40,560 --> 00:00:45,879 Speaker 1: American Walter Midy fought extradition from the UK, is going 10 00:00:46,120 --> 00:00:50,200 Speaker 1: on trial. I'm Nancy Grace, this is Crime Stories. Thank 11 00:00:50,240 --> 00:00:52,880 Speaker 1: you for being with us. That's right. The so called 12 00:00:52,920 --> 00:00:57,240 Speaker 1: American Walter Midy, who desperately fought extradition from the UK 13 00:00:57,440 --> 00:01:03,400 Speaker 1: home to the US is going on Prosecutors withdraw a 14 00:01:03,480 --> 00:01:07,080 Speaker 1: plea deal in Utah. I recall it like it was yesterday, 15 00:01:07,120 --> 00:01:09,640 Speaker 1: and I guarantee you these are not the only two 16 00:01:09,920 --> 00:01:13,720 Speaker 1: rapes that will be tied back to Nicholas Rossy. Who 17 00:01:13,840 --> 00:01:15,240 Speaker 1: is this guy? Listen? 18 00:01:15,400 --> 00:01:20,480 Speaker 2: Nicholas Alaverdian's obituary appeared on a memorial site called ever Loved. 19 00:01:20,959 --> 00:01:24,040 Speaker 2: It detailed how the man who grew up in foster care, 20 00:01:24,200 --> 00:01:27,319 Speaker 2: became a Harvard graduate and a vocal critic of Rhode 21 00:01:27,319 --> 00:01:31,600 Speaker 2: Island's childcare system after suffering sexual abuse as a child. 22 00:01:32,080 --> 00:01:36,440 Speaker 2: It also detailed how Alaverdian died of Hodgkins lymphoma at 23 00:01:36,480 --> 00:01:39,440 Speaker 2: thirty two years old, leaving behind a wife and two 24 00:01:39,480 --> 00:01:42,720 Speaker 2: young children who remained at his bedside as he died. 25 00:01:43,160 --> 00:01:46,760 Speaker 2: According to his wife, his last words were fear not 26 00:01:47,040 --> 00:01:49,040 Speaker 2: and run toward the bliss of the sun. 27 00:01:49,240 --> 00:01:52,760 Speaker 1: Okay, well, I say to take that in hold on. 28 00:01:53,080 --> 00:01:58,120 Speaker 1: His last words were fear not and run toward the 29 00:01:58,120 --> 00:02:03,760 Speaker 1: bliss of the sun. Hold on, fear not and run 30 00:02:04,240 --> 00:02:09,880 Speaker 1: toward the bliss of the son. Well. When that O 31 00:02:10,040 --> 00:02:16,200 Speaker 1: bit was published, immediately it was met with skepticism, including 32 00:02:16,280 --> 00:02:21,760 Speaker 1: by one of his own foster moms. Contacted by Alvartian's 33 00:02:21,919 --> 00:02:28,200 Speaker 1: biological mother. His own bio mother called the foster mom 34 00:02:28,240 --> 00:02:32,640 Speaker 1: and goes, hey, read this O bit. It sounds like 35 00:02:32,720 --> 00:02:39,120 Speaker 1: he wrote it himself. Follow the bliss of the sun again. 36 00:02:39,680 --> 00:02:45,280 Speaker 1: Let me just say my rear end. Well, mother knows 37 00:02:45,480 --> 00:02:50,120 Speaker 1: best once again, doesn't she? So what more do we know? 38 00:02:50,960 --> 00:02:53,600 Speaker 1: Take a listen to our friend Dave Mackett crime online. 39 00:02:53,760 --> 00:02:57,960 Speaker 3: Nicholas Alaverdian's death was a lie, an elaborate scheme created 40 00:02:58,040 --> 00:03:01,119 Speaker 3: by Nicholas Rossi, a man charge who was sexually assaulting 41 00:03:01,160 --> 00:03:03,600 Speaker 3: a former girlfriend in or A Mutah, as well as 42 00:03:03,680 --> 00:03:07,000 Speaker 3: multiple complaints against him in Rhode Island for alleged domestic violence. 43 00:03:07,320 --> 00:03:10,880 Speaker 3: Nicholas Alaverdian was born the eldest of three children. His father, 44 00:03:10,960 --> 00:03:14,399 Speaker 3: who had convictions for domestic assault and selling cocaine, left 45 00:03:14,440 --> 00:03:17,400 Speaker 3: the family three years later. According to The Providence Journal, 46 00:03:17,639 --> 00:03:21,800 Speaker 3: Alaverdian's mother, Diana, married David Rossi, an Engelbert humperting impersonator. 47 00:03:22,080 --> 00:03:25,240 Speaker 3: David Rossi, the stepfather, says at an early age, Nicholas 48 00:03:25,240 --> 00:03:28,960 Speaker 3: would hit his mother, grandmother, siblings, and wouldn't listen in school. 49 00:03:29,240 --> 00:03:32,679 Speaker 3: Ala Verdian was placed in psychiatric care where doctors diagnosed 50 00:03:32,760 --> 00:03:37,160 Speaker 3: him with narcissistic personality disorder and attention deficit disorder. After 51 00:03:37,200 --> 00:03:40,480 Speaker 3: being discharged from the treatment program, Alaverdian was returned to 52 00:03:40,520 --> 00:03:43,960 Speaker 3: his family. Briefly, he created such conflict within the family 53 00:03:44,040 --> 00:03:46,960 Speaker 3: home he was placed into the care of dcyf. As 54 00:03:47,000 --> 00:03:50,840 Speaker 3: far as Alaverdian's claims of being a Harvard scholar, he 55 00:03:50,920 --> 00:03:54,720 Speaker 3: did study comparative literature in an extension program class offered 56 00:03:54,720 --> 00:03:58,160 Speaker 3: by Harvard University, but he did not graduate. He was 57 00:03:58,320 --> 00:04:01,560 Speaker 3: administratively withdrawn from the course when the university learned of 58 00:04:01,560 --> 00:04:05,720 Speaker 3: his sex vendor status. After faking his death, Alaverdian headed oversea. 59 00:04:06,400 --> 00:04:09,320 Speaker 1: That's so much information I'm drinking from the fire hydrant. 60 00:04:09,640 --> 00:04:14,040 Speaker 1: What I've written, first of all, to Jim White joining 61 00:04:14,080 --> 00:04:17,440 Speaker 1: us out of Providence, Rhode Island, investigative reporter and managing 62 00:04:17,600 --> 00:04:22,920 Speaker 1: editor w PRTV, that CBS affiliate, co author of The 63 00:04:23,000 --> 00:04:30,320 Speaker 1: Last Good Heist and professor journalism Roger Williams University. Tim White, 64 00:04:30,360 --> 00:04:37,760 Speaker 1: first of all, critical, who is the Engelbert Humper Dick impersonator. 65 00:04:37,920 --> 00:04:42,559 Speaker 4: Well, that was his stepfather, whose name he adopted after 66 00:04:42,680 --> 00:04:45,880 Speaker 4: his mother remarried at the time. I mean, as you 67 00:04:45,880 --> 00:04:50,560 Speaker 4: could hear from his biography, he had an unconventional childhood 68 00:04:50,560 --> 00:04:53,720 Speaker 4: I think to put it mildly and lightly, including the 69 00:04:53,800 --> 00:04:57,920 Speaker 4: profession of his stepfather, and one in which he found 70 00:04:58,000 --> 00:05:01,559 Speaker 4: himself in and out of the child welfare system here 71 00:05:01,600 --> 00:05:05,680 Speaker 4: in Rhode Island, where he alleged physical and mental abuse 72 00:05:06,000 --> 00:05:08,000 Speaker 4: while being under the state's custody. 73 00:05:08,160 --> 00:05:13,560 Speaker 1: He's a liar, he is a narcissistic liar. So am 74 00:05:13,560 --> 00:05:16,919 Speaker 1: I supposed to believe that did that really happen? Maybe? 75 00:05:17,320 --> 00:05:20,760 Speaker 1: But maybe not? And I do know this isn't it true, 76 00:05:21,000 --> 00:05:25,840 Speaker 1: Jim White, that he would hit his mother and his grandmother. 77 00:05:26,320 --> 00:05:30,760 Speaker 1: Of course his siblings, he misbehaved in school, but hitting 78 00:05:30,839 --> 00:05:33,400 Speaker 1: your own mom and your grandma, right. 79 00:05:33,360 --> 00:05:36,640 Speaker 4: That is what the stepfather alleged at the time, that 80 00:05:36,680 --> 00:05:39,640 Speaker 4: he was a tough kid who would fly off the handle. 81 00:05:39,680 --> 00:05:44,200 Speaker 4: And look, there is there are arrests for domestic violence 82 00:05:44,800 --> 00:05:48,080 Speaker 4: here in Rhode Island, where he was. He pled no 83 00:05:48,160 --> 00:05:51,960 Speaker 4: contest nolo contendre to charges that he was physical with 84 00:05:52,000 --> 00:05:56,159 Speaker 4: a girlfriend in a suburb of Providence. So there's definitely 85 00:05:56,240 --> 00:06:00,440 Speaker 4: allegations and there's also a conviction of being physically violent 86 00:06:00,480 --> 00:06:01,640 Speaker 4: with people in his orbit. 87 00:06:01,720 --> 00:06:03,920 Speaker 1: Tim White, can I just clarify when you say he 88 00:06:04,040 --> 00:06:07,000 Speaker 1: was quote physical with a girlfriend, you mean he beat her? 89 00:06:07,120 --> 00:06:07,360 Speaker 5: Yes? 90 00:06:07,400 --> 00:06:14,320 Speaker 1: Correct? Yeah? Okay? What about being a quote Harvard scholar. 91 00:06:15,279 --> 00:06:17,600 Speaker 1: They kicked him out of the program, which I'd like 92 00:06:17,680 --> 00:06:20,919 Speaker 1: to point out as an extension program, which means you're 93 00:06:21,839 --> 00:06:26,000 Speaker 1: an extended distance away from the school. But they Harvard 94 00:06:26,080 --> 00:06:27,760 Speaker 1: kicked him out when they found out he was a 95 00:06:27,800 --> 00:06:29,120 Speaker 1: sex offender. Yeah, they did. 96 00:06:29,200 --> 00:06:32,000 Speaker 4: I mean, look, it's clear from the evidence that he 97 00:06:32,040 --> 00:06:36,840 Speaker 4: tried to exaggerate his resume when he was trying to 98 00:06:37,120 --> 00:06:40,120 Speaker 4: particularly when he was trying to push his agenda here 99 00:06:40,160 --> 00:06:43,200 Speaker 4: in Rhode Island with state lawmakers, a lot of them 100 00:06:43,960 --> 00:06:46,320 Speaker 4: who bought the story that he was selling. He was 101 00:06:46,360 --> 00:06:49,840 Speaker 4: trying to reform the state child welfare agency, and he 102 00:06:49,880 --> 00:06:53,880 Speaker 4: would hold up this resume that he had that he 103 00:06:53,920 --> 00:06:56,640 Speaker 4: was a Harvard scholar and all that that was obviously 104 00:06:56,680 --> 00:07:00,720 Speaker 4: a lie. He didn't graduate from Harvard. He definitely pushed 105 00:07:00,720 --> 00:07:04,360 Speaker 4: the envelope on that one. And I think you bring 106 00:07:04,440 --> 00:07:09,360 Speaker 4: up an important question earlier. You wondered if the allegations 107 00:07:09,400 --> 00:07:12,520 Speaker 4: he made against the state child welfare agency were even legit. 108 00:07:13,120 --> 00:07:16,000 Speaker 4: Now that lawsuit was dismissed, and it was dismissed because 109 00:07:16,400 --> 00:07:18,520 Speaker 4: as of many as you know, as many lawsuits are 110 00:07:18,520 --> 00:07:21,600 Speaker 4: dismissed because they were settled, and I believe he had 111 00:07:21,600 --> 00:07:24,720 Speaker 4: told family members it was settled for about seventy thousand dollars, 112 00:07:24,760 --> 00:07:27,640 Speaker 4: not a big not a big number. But the child 113 00:07:27,680 --> 00:07:32,320 Speaker 4: welfare agency denied any wrongdoing and set as part of 114 00:07:32,360 --> 00:07:35,520 Speaker 4: the agreement in the settlement that they did not admit 115 00:07:35,800 --> 00:07:38,640 Speaker 4: to any wrongdoing. So I think you're right to question 116 00:07:39,280 --> 00:07:42,560 Speaker 4: whether or not the allegations he made against DCYF were 117 00:07:42,600 --> 00:07:45,160 Speaker 4: actually legitimate considering what we know now. 118 00:07:45,280 --> 00:07:48,320 Speaker 1: So I'm trying to figure out how Nicholas al Vernion 119 00:07:49,000 --> 00:07:54,080 Speaker 1: aka Nick Rossi ends up pretending to be an Irish 120 00:07:54,400 --> 00:07:58,000 Speaker 1: orphan in Scotland when he's got a slew of rape 121 00:07:58,080 --> 00:08:03,160 Speaker 1: allegations and violence allegations back in the US all the 122 00:08:03,200 --> 00:08:08,760 Speaker 1: way to orem Utah. But first of all he had 123 00:08:08,800 --> 00:08:11,920 Speaker 1: to register as a sex offender listen. 124 00:08:12,120 --> 00:08:15,680 Speaker 2: Nicholas Alaverdian, using the name Rossi, was accused of assaulting 125 00:08:15,720 --> 00:08:19,240 Speaker 2: a young woman he met at Sinclair Community College in Ohio. 126 00:08:19,600 --> 00:08:20,840 Speaker 1: The two had lunch together. 127 00:08:21,200 --> 00:08:24,240 Speaker 2: Alaverdian offered to walk the co ed to her next class, 128 00:08:24,320 --> 00:08:27,720 Speaker 2: and she agreed. The co ed claims Alaverdian pinned her 129 00:08:27,720 --> 00:08:30,680 Speaker 2: against a wall in a basement, groped her, and masturbated. 130 00:08:31,120 --> 00:08:34,719 Speaker 2: Alaverdian apologized and asked the girl not to tell anybody. 131 00:08:35,120 --> 00:08:39,120 Speaker 2: She made a police report, and Alaverdian aka Rossi, was 132 00:08:39,240 --> 00:08:43,760 Speaker 2: convicted of public indecency and sexual imposition and was required 133 00:08:43,800 --> 00:08:45,520 Speaker 2: to register as a sex offender. 134 00:08:45,640 --> 00:08:49,679 Speaker 1: To Brett Brown, joining US Executive director of sasst GO 135 00:08:50,440 --> 00:08:57,680 Speaker 1: Surviving Assault, Standing Strong to eradicate abuse, trafficking and violence 136 00:08:57,880 --> 00:09:01,240 Speaker 1: against women, Brett, and thank you for being with us. 137 00:09:02,040 --> 00:09:06,120 Speaker 1: That's why a lot of women never go forward with 138 00:09:06,320 --> 00:09:11,280 Speaker 1: rape or sex assault allegations. They almost universally somehow feel 139 00:09:11,320 --> 00:09:15,720 Speaker 1: like it's in some way their fault. Like this young 140 00:09:15,800 --> 00:09:20,319 Speaker 1: woman just twenty one was at Sinclair Community College and 141 00:09:20,800 --> 00:09:25,120 Speaker 1: she allowed him to walk her to her next class. Yes, 142 00:09:25,440 --> 00:09:28,360 Speaker 1: and I'm sure at some point felt well, that's my 143 00:09:28,480 --> 00:09:31,120 Speaker 1: fault because I let them want me to class. It's 144 00:09:31,320 --> 00:09:34,400 Speaker 1: not her fault. And I think it got off really 145 00:09:34,480 --> 00:09:35,280 Speaker 1: lightly on that. 146 00:09:35,720 --> 00:09:41,160 Speaker 6: I totally agree. We see women universally as survivors feeling 147 00:09:41,320 --> 00:09:44,560 Speaker 6: obligated to be nice and to be kind, and when 148 00:09:44,559 --> 00:09:47,199 Speaker 6: they do that and they are then abused or assaulted, 149 00:09:47,760 --> 00:09:51,520 Speaker 6: they blame themselves because they feel like they gave them permission. 150 00:09:51,240 --> 00:09:54,840 Speaker 1: To behave that way. And then if you are angry 151 00:09:55,000 --> 00:09:58,319 Speaker 1: about it, then you're a quote man hater and you're 152 00:09:58,400 --> 00:10:02,599 Speaker 1: frigid and you're cold because you don't like to be assaulted. 153 00:10:03,480 --> 00:10:06,600 Speaker 1: And it makes me wonder, Brett Brown, if that was 154 00:10:06,640 --> 00:10:11,480 Speaker 1: his demo at the time, how many other women never 155 00:10:11,640 --> 00:10:12,440 Speaker 1: came forward? 156 00:10:12,640 --> 00:10:16,600 Speaker 6: Yes, because what he did was brazen and while in 157 00:10:16,679 --> 00:10:20,200 Speaker 6: a relatively private space in the building, in a public 158 00:10:20,400 --> 00:10:24,559 Speaker 6: space during the day, he was very emboldened at this point. 159 00:10:24,600 --> 00:10:27,360 Speaker 6: So I would think there are probably many women who 160 00:10:27,360 --> 00:10:28,200 Speaker 6: have not come forward. 161 00:10:28,240 --> 00:10:31,079 Speaker 1: I mean, the reality is, isn't this true, Brett Brown? 162 00:10:31,760 --> 00:10:36,959 Speaker 1: Everyone would be very surprised to find out who that 163 00:10:37,040 --> 00:10:41,560 Speaker 1: they know has been molested or sex assaulted and have 164 00:10:41,720 --> 00:10:43,320 Speaker 1: never breathed a word of it. 165 00:10:43,600 --> 00:10:48,920 Speaker 6: Absolutely, we see it all the time across the country. 166 00:10:53,160 --> 00:11:01,440 Speaker 1: Crime stories with Nancy Grace death faker Nicholas Rossy was 167 00:11:01,480 --> 00:11:04,640 Speaker 1: sent back to the US after a very lengthy court 168 00:11:04,840 --> 00:11:08,480 Speaker 1: battle where he claimed to be an Irish orphan named 169 00:11:08,960 --> 00:11:12,800 Speaker 1: Arthur Knight who had never set foot in the United States. 170 00:11:13,559 --> 00:11:16,120 Speaker 1: Here in the US, he's accused of raping a twenty 171 00:11:16,160 --> 00:11:19,199 Speaker 1: one year old woman and raping a twenty six year 172 00:11:19,200 --> 00:11:22,360 Speaker 1: old woman in Salt Lake the very same year. He 173 00:11:22,440 --> 00:11:31,360 Speaker 1: denies it all the Irish orphan living in Scotland who 174 00:11:31,400 --> 00:11:35,160 Speaker 1: faked his own death, And then as bio mom reads 175 00:11:35,200 --> 00:11:39,160 Speaker 1: his obit and goes, uh, uh, he's not dead. He 176 00:11:39,280 --> 00:11:42,560 Speaker 1: wrote this. I guarantee you he wrote this. You know 177 00:11:42,679 --> 00:11:46,880 Speaker 1: that reminds me of let me go out to Greg 178 00:11:47,120 --> 00:11:52,680 Speaker 1: Algren joining us out of Laredo, international lawyer at disruis 179 00:11:52,720 --> 00:11:56,640 Speaker 1: dot com. Greg, do you remember, of course you do, 180 00:11:57,360 --> 00:12:03,840 Speaker 1: the unibomber who wrote the huge manifesto thousands and thousands 181 00:12:03,920 --> 00:12:06,960 Speaker 1: of words and insisted that it be published. I guess 182 00:12:06,960 --> 00:12:09,400 Speaker 1: it was in the New York Times and his brother 183 00:12:10,000 --> 00:12:14,920 Speaker 1: read it and went, wait, that's take as Insky. That's 184 00:12:15,000 --> 00:12:19,400 Speaker 1: my brother. I know who wrote that, and his own 185 00:12:19,880 --> 00:12:25,800 Speaker 1: ridiculous manifesto gave a way that he's a unibomber and 186 00:12:25,800 --> 00:12:26,880 Speaker 1: his take is Insky. 187 00:12:27,160 --> 00:12:28,920 Speaker 7: I see some parallels for sure. 188 00:12:29,040 --> 00:12:31,920 Speaker 1: This guy writes his oh bit it is biommeos. I 189 00:12:32,000 --> 00:12:34,880 Speaker 1: know he ain't dead, He's alive. 190 00:12:35,559 --> 00:12:36,000 Speaker 5: Shocking. 191 00:12:37,240 --> 00:12:41,880 Speaker 1: Why is it that so often criminals give themselves away 192 00:12:42,280 --> 00:12:43,240 Speaker 1: in this manner. 193 00:12:43,559 --> 00:12:48,200 Speaker 7: It's that narcissistic, tension seeking personality they have. 194 00:12:48,960 --> 00:12:52,319 Speaker 8: It's their fatal weakness. 195 00:12:52,360 --> 00:12:55,959 Speaker 1: Hey, Greg Augrin, are you a psychologist as well as 196 00:12:55,960 --> 00:12:59,000 Speaker 1: a lawyer, because I hear you throwing around psychological disorders? 197 00:12:59,480 --> 00:13:01,079 Speaker 7: Are you? 198 00:13:01,080 --> 00:13:04,720 Speaker 1: No? I'm not either, But I know what narcissism means 199 00:13:05,000 --> 00:13:07,360 Speaker 1: because I actually had to teach well, I wanted to 200 00:13:07,440 --> 00:13:10,160 Speaker 1: teach Greek and Roman mythology while I was waiting to 201 00:13:10,160 --> 00:13:11,720 Speaker 1: find out if I was going to get into law school. 202 00:13:12,440 --> 00:13:17,880 Speaker 1: And everyone knows about narcissus, but we just so happened 203 00:13:17,920 --> 00:13:21,920 Speaker 1: to have a forensic psychologist with us, author of Dark Sides, 204 00:13:22,280 --> 00:13:26,720 Speaker 1: doctor Jeff Kalshewski, Doctor Jeff, what is a narcissist? I mean, 205 00:13:26,920 --> 00:13:32,000 Speaker 1: I know Greg Augrin is correct, but explain that narcissus 206 00:13:32,679 --> 00:13:35,960 Speaker 1: saw his image in a pool of water, fell in 207 00:13:36,000 --> 00:13:40,840 Speaker 1: love with himself, didn't notice anything else around him, anything 208 00:13:40,920 --> 00:13:44,040 Speaker 1: or anyone, and finally was trying to get to himself 209 00:13:44,040 --> 00:13:45,319 Speaker 1: and fell in the water and died. 210 00:13:45,520 --> 00:13:48,400 Speaker 9: Wow, we only have an hour to talk about narcissism. 211 00:13:48,720 --> 00:13:53,520 Speaker 9: Crime hit me and hit me hard on ROSSI Oh boy, 212 00:13:53,760 --> 00:13:57,360 Speaker 9: So again, how many times do we talk about some 213 00:13:57,400 --> 00:14:00,960 Speaker 9: of these criminals, and particularly when we do programs on 214 00:14:01,559 --> 00:14:07,079 Speaker 9: murderers where narcissism ends up being the flaw that trips 215 00:14:07,120 --> 00:14:11,959 Speaker 9: them up again, we could talk about this for days. 216 00:14:12,000 --> 00:14:14,760 Speaker 9: I need to put a video on my YouTube channel 217 00:14:14,760 --> 00:14:20,160 Speaker 9: on forensic psychology about narcissism and murders. Because narcissists think 218 00:14:20,320 --> 00:14:26,080 Speaker 9: that they're more brilliant than anyone else. Narcissists believe that 219 00:14:26,160 --> 00:14:30,240 Speaker 9: what they do is right, and they have typically absolutely 220 00:14:30,400 --> 00:14:37,000 Speaker 9: no insight into what they're doing others may judge as inappropriate, wrong, 221 00:14:37,160 --> 00:14:40,040 Speaker 9: or that they might get caught. They are the center 222 00:14:40,120 --> 00:14:44,880 Speaker 9: of the universe and what they do is right, and 223 00:14:44,960 --> 00:14:49,479 Speaker 9: that the world does not appreciate that and actually sanctions 224 00:14:49,520 --> 00:14:53,680 Speaker 9: them arrests them is just unfathomable. You know, in the 225 00:14:53,720 --> 00:14:56,840 Speaker 9: early days, when they began to write about narcissism in 226 00:14:56,880 --> 00:15:01,560 Speaker 9: the psychiatric literature, they they actually initially called it a 227 00:15:01,600 --> 00:15:05,960 Speaker 9: psychosis because the people that were writing about just could 228 00:15:06,000 --> 00:15:09,840 Speaker 9: not believe that people who were so narcissistic didn't even 229 00:15:09,920 --> 00:15:13,600 Speaker 9: recognize that their ideas about themselves in the world were 230 00:15:13,640 --> 00:15:18,360 Speaker 9: flawed and they were really not consistent with the reality 231 00:15:18,400 --> 00:15:21,600 Speaker 9: around them, So they started to talk about it initially 232 00:15:21,640 --> 00:15:22,520 Speaker 9: as a psychosis. 233 00:15:22,680 --> 00:15:25,040 Speaker 1: You know who I think was a narcissist is a narcissist, 234 00:15:25,040 --> 00:15:29,360 Speaker 1: doctor Kalischewski. And I almost hate to bring his name up, 235 00:15:29,760 --> 00:15:32,880 Speaker 1: but he's the poster boy for so many things that 236 00:15:32,920 --> 00:15:36,120 Speaker 1: are all wrong. Scott Peterson, Oh, yeah, did you know 237 00:15:36,160 --> 00:15:39,240 Speaker 1: I was going to say that, because I mean, granted, 238 00:15:39,520 --> 00:15:43,000 Speaker 1: some people, not me, of course, think he's attractive. I 239 00:15:43,040 --> 00:15:47,200 Speaker 1: think he looks like the devil. But that said, he 240 00:15:47,240 --> 00:15:50,520 Speaker 1: has this beautiful wife Lacey. She's expecting their first baby 241 00:15:50,560 --> 00:15:53,960 Speaker 1: around Christmas, so he naturally goes and has sex affairs, 242 00:15:54,000 --> 00:15:57,240 Speaker 1: not just one, but many, and then lies about it, 243 00:15:57,400 --> 00:16:00,360 Speaker 1: kills her, and tries to pretend that he was in 244 00:16:00,360 --> 00:16:02,960 Speaker 1: Brussels and no, it was Paris, France on New Year's 245 00:16:02,960 --> 00:16:08,400 Speaker 1: Eve with his friend Pierre and Jacques. Yeah, and the lying. 246 00:16:08,720 --> 00:16:11,000 Speaker 1: And when he went on the run after dyeing his 247 00:16:11,080 --> 00:16:15,800 Speaker 1: hair blonde, that's certainly not a felony. He had a 248 00:16:15,840 --> 00:16:18,840 Speaker 1: bunch of I think it was condoms in viagra. He 249 00:16:19,000 --> 00:16:22,400 Speaker 1: needed that to go on the run. I mean, everything 250 00:16:22,840 --> 00:16:27,400 Speaker 1: was about him and what would suit him and his desires, 251 00:16:27,840 --> 00:16:32,240 Speaker 1: and it cost the life of Lacy and her unborn child. 252 00:16:32,440 --> 00:16:40,360 Speaker 1: Connor would that be indicative of narcissism, Doctor Jeff Kelschewski. 253 00:16:39,800 --> 00:16:44,840 Speaker 9: Right, narcissism and lying. So narcissists, they in a sense 254 00:16:44,960 --> 00:16:48,560 Speaker 9: believe their own lives, and they can't even fathom the 255 00:16:48,600 --> 00:16:52,240 Speaker 9: idea that other people would not believe their lives. How 256 00:16:52,280 --> 00:16:54,640 Speaker 9: many times have we looked at these cases and these 257 00:16:54,680 --> 00:16:58,520 Speaker 9: allies are just so egregious and so odd that any 258 00:16:58,600 --> 00:17:02,000 Speaker 9: rational person would know their lives. But to the narcissist, 259 00:17:02,880 --> 00:17:05,680 Speaker 9: they can't even fathom the idea that you would think 260 00:17:05,720 --> 00:17:06,399 Speaker 9: they're lying. 261 00:17:06,600 --> 00:17:09,640 Speaker 1: How dare you? How dare you not believe I'm an 262 00:17:09,680 --> 00:17:13,200 Speaker 1: Irish orphan, not a sex predator, even though my DNA 263 00:17:13,280 --> 00:17:16,639 Speaker 1: matches up to a rank kid. But that said, let's 264 00:17:16,680 --> 00:17:20,879 Speaker 1: plow forward. I mean an Irish orphan, as I always 265 00:17:21,000 --> 00:17:23,960 Speaker 1: like to say, being part Irish. If you're lucky enough 266 00:17:24,000 --> 00:17:28,840 Speaker 1: to be Irish, you lucky enough. But this guy is 267 00:17:28,920 --> 00:17:32,960 Speaker 1: neither an orphan nor Irish, and he ends up in 268 00:17:33,000 --> 00:17:38,080 Speaker 1: Scotland under a different name, adamantly denying that he is 269 00:17:38,680 --> 00:17:41,879 Speaker 1: Nicholas Alverdian. Okay, let me get us back on t 270 00:17:41,880 --> 00:17:45,320 Speaker 1: track after leading you out in the weeds, take a 271 00:17:45,359 --> 00:17:45,840 Speaker 1: listen to this. 272 00:17:46,080 --> 00:17:48,480 Speaker 10: Two years later, police are called to an apartment in 273 00:17:48,520 --> 00:17:50,679 Speaker 10: Rhode Island by the friend of a woman involved in 274 00:17:50,680 --> 00:17:54,320 Speaker 10: a relationship with Nicholas Alaverdian. When police arrive, they hear 275 00:17:54,480 --> 00:17:56,920 Speaker 10: arguing and screaming. When the woman comes to the door, 276 00:17:57,040 --> 00:17:59,640 Speaker 10: she has marks on her face and neck and left eye, 277 00:17:59,680 --> 00:18:02,320 Speaker 10: and her right eye is swelling. The woman tells police 278 00:18:02,359 --> 00:18:05,280 Speaker 10: she and Olivertian were arguing and when she tried to leave, 279 00:18:05,359 --> 00:18:08,440 Speaker 10: he slapped her in the face. Police arrest Olivertian, who 280 00:18:08,440 --> 00:18:11,200 Speaker 10: proclaims his innocence and begins banging his head on the 281 00:18:11,240 --> 00:18:13,600 Speaker 10: bars in the back of the squad car. Officers have 282 00:18:13,640 --> 00:18:15,639 Speaker 10: to use pepper spray to make him stop trying to 283 00:18:15,720 --> 00:18:19,720 Speaker 10: hurt himself. Alivertian pleads no contest to domestic simple assault. 284 00:18:20,200 --> 00:18:24,280 Speaker 1: You know, anybody on this panel please jump in. But 285 00:18:25,200 --> 00:18:27,560 Speaker 1: let's see Tim White, do you have children? 286 00:18:27,720 --> 00:18:28,040 Speaker 4: I do. 287 00:18:28,320 --> 00:18:31,720 Speaker 1: Has one ever thrown a fit? You know on TV? 288 00:18:31,840 --> 00:18:33,480 Speaker 1: You see them lying in the floor and their tommy 289 00:18:33,560 --> 00:18:36,359 Speaker 1: kicking and screaming. You ever seen that? Has any of 290 00:18:36,400 --> 00:18:37,920 Speaker 1: your children ever had a fit? 291 00:18:38,200 --> 00:18:40,720 Speaker 4: Yeah, they're keen now, But when they were toddlers that yeah, 292 00:18:40,760 --> 00:18:41,600 Speaker 4: sure that would happen. 293 00:18:42,000 --> 00:18:45,560 Speaker 1: Okay, well whenever. They didn't do it very often, but 294 00:18:45,640 --> 00:18:48,320 Speaker 1: the very few times, I think, maybe only once, each 295 00:18:48,359 --> 00:18:50,280 Speaker 1: one of them had a quote fit as we call 296 00:18:50,320 --> 00:18:54,440 Speaker 1: it down South. And I didn't spank them with yell 297 00:18:54,440 --> 00:18:56,639 Speaker 1: of them. I just stood there and watched them. With Lucy, 298 00:18:56,760 --> 00:19:00,480 Speaker 1: I actually started laughing because when she finished her fit 299 00:19:00,600 --> 00:19:04,200 Speaker 1: in the floor, she poked her lips out like you would. 300 00:19:04,200 --> 00:19:06,760 Speaker 1: I've never seen lips poke out that far, as my 301 00:19:06,840 --> 00:19:09,840 Speaker 1: grandmother would say, you're poking your lips out so far, 302 00:19:09,840 --> 00:19:12,360 Speaker 1: I could plan a road with turnips on him. Yeah. So, 303 00:19:13,240 --> 00:19:15,760 Speaker 1: and that set me into laughter, which you're not supposed 304 00:19:15,800 --> 00:19:17,679 Speaker 1: to do when a child throws a fit, because that 305 00:19:17,760 --> 00:19:20,800 Speaker 1: infuriates them further to be laughed at. But this is 306 00:19:20,840 --> 00:19:23,480 Speaker 1: what he's doing. He gets in the back. First of all, 307 00:19:23,760 --> 00:19:26,160 Speaker 1: he has an argument with the friend of the woman 308 00:19:26,200 --> 00:19:29,560 Speaker 1: that he's dating because she's not agreeing with everything he says, 309 00:19:30,200 --> 00:19:33,920 Speaker 1: and he beats her. He beats her, and then when 310 00:19:33,920 --> 00:19:36,240 Speaker 1: police show up and put him in the squad car, 311 00:19:36,400 --> 00:19:38,720 Speaker 1: he throws a fit and starts banging his head. I 312 00:19:38,720 --> 00:19:40,160 Speaker 1: think I would have just let him bang his head 313 00:19:40,160 --> 00:19:42,879 Speaker 1: for Pete's sake, but they stopped him with pepper spray, 314 00:19:43,800 --> 00:19:46,520 Speaker 1: and he pleads, this is what I hate, Tim White, 315 00:19:46,960 --> 00:19:50,360 Speaker 1: No contest, as you said earlier, nolo contender to that. 316 00:19:51,040 --> 00:19:53,399 Speaker 1: In other words, I didn't I'm not saying I did it, 317 00:19:53,600 --> 00:19:55,560 Speaker 1: and I'm not saying I didn't do it. I'm just 318 00:19:55,600 --> 00:19:58,600 Speaker 1: not contesting it, and I'll take my punishment. And so 319 00:19:58,760 --> 00:20:01,760 Speaker 1: remember what's critical to me right here, Tim White, is 320 00:20:01,800 --> 00:20:06,280 Speaker 1: this is two years after he pushes this woman against 321 00:20:06,280 --> 00:20:10,760 Speaker 1: the wall in the basement, gropes her private pars and 322 00:20:10,840 --> 00:20:16,719 Speaker 1: in masturbates class all the way. Keep it classy, Rassi. 323 00:20:17,160 --> 00:20:20,000 Speaker 1: Now he's beating up a woman who is known to 324 00:20:20,080 --> 00:20:22,600 Speaker 1: him just two years later. I don't know what he's 325 00:20:22,600 --> 00:20:24,840 Speaker 1: done in the meantime, but now there's that. 326 00:20:25,160 --> 00:20:25,440 Speaker 5: Yeah. 327 00:20:25,440 --> 00:20:30,680 Speaker 4: Look, he had a pattern of we know, violent behavior, 328 00:20:31,320 --> 00:20:35,000 Speaker 4: particularly against women, and at the time that that arrest happened, 329 00:20:35,840 --> 00:20:39,040 Speaker 4: we now know there were other allegations against him. I'm 330 00:20:39,040 --> 00:20:41,200 Speaker 4: sure you'll get to in Utah. And just to bring 331 00:20:41,280 --> 00:20:44,600 Speaker 4: up something you said earlier, he made the rape correct, well, 332 00:20:44,600 --> 00:20:48,400 Speaker 4: two rapes in Utah, and then there was you know, 333 00:20:48,600 --> 00:20:51,120 Speaker 4: of course the sexual assault you already talked about in Ohio, 334 00:20:51,160 --> 00:20:54,560 Speaker 4: but court documents that were unsealed in Utah now giving 335 00:20:54,640 --> 00:20:58,720 Speaker 4: us a lens into other allegations that had happened in 336 00:20:58,880 --> 00:21:03,159 Speaker 4: four other states. We already talked about Ohio, Utah, Massachusetts, 337 00:21:03,400 --> 00:21:07,720 Speaker 4: Rhode Island of you know, people accusing him of a 338 00:21:07,960 --> 00:21:11,199 Speaker 4: pattern of sexual assault, and in the court documents that 339 00:21:11,280 --> 00:21:15,600 Speaker 4: even talked about kidnapping. So those haven't been adjudicated. There 340 00:21:15,600 --> 00:21:18,000 Speaker 4: are two charges out of Utah, there's a conviction out 341 00:21:18,000 --> 00:21:21,639 Speaker 4: of Ohio. You talk about the conviction in Patucket, but 342 00:21:21,840 --> 00:21:27,200 Speaker 4: clearly investigators are looking at other allegations that are happening. 343 00:21:27,280 --> 00:21:29,560 Speaker 4: And there's even one in we didn't even talk about 344 00:21:29,560 --> 00:21:33,600 Speaker 4: the one in the UK. They were investigating an allegation 345 00:21:33,680 --> 00:21:34,640 Speaker 4: of sexual assault. 346 00:21:34,760 --> 00:21:37,080 Speaker 1: Okay, hold on, I now realize I've got to make 347 00:21:37,119 --> 00:21:39,679 Speaker 1: a list. Okay, Tim White, I'm going to have to 348 00:21:39,720 --> 00:21:42,600 Speaker 1: make a list. Okay, We've got a right allegation in UK, 349 00:21:43,240 --> 00:21:52,040 Speaker 1: We've got Utah or Utah, we have Pawtucket. Okay, what else? 350 00:21:52,200 --> 00:21:55,960 Speaker 4: So you have the conviction in Ohio that you talked 351 00:21:55,960 --> 00:21:58,440 Speaker 4: about quite a bit, And there are two charges out 352 00:21:58,440 --> 00:22:02,360 Speaker 4: of Utah, one out of Utah County in one out 353 00:22:02,359 --> 00:22:04,679 Speaker 4: of Salt Lake City County. 354 00:22:04,920 --> 00:22:07,679 Speaker 1: And we're learning that a woman has just come forward 355 00:22:07,680 --> 00:22:13,119 Speaker 1: claiming that two years earlier she was assaulted by Alvertian 356 00:22:13,200 --> 00:22:17,200 Speaker 1: aka Nick Rossi, the Irish orphan, when she was just eighteen. 357 00:22:17,440 --> 00:22:20,320 Speaker 1: But hold on, let's plow forward because I can't wait 358 00:22:20,359 --> 00:22:22,480 Speaker 1: to get to him claiming he's an Irish orphan in 359 00:22:22,520 --> 00:22:26,960 Speaker 1: Scotland and pretending he's not Alvertian. So he's got the 360 00:22:27,640 --> 00:22:32,760 Speaker 1: masturbating on the woman. Now he's got the beating of 361 00:22:32,840 --> 00:22:36,919 Speaker 1: the girlfriend's friend and showing out in the cop car. 362 00:22:37,359 --> 00:22:42,919 Speaker 1: But somehow he managed to get a wife, okay, listen. 363 00:22:43,080 --> 00:22:46,480 Speaker 3: Nicholas Olivertian married in November of twenty ten. His wife 364 00:22:46,560 --> 00:22:49,439 Speaker 3: filed for divorce six months later and filed a police 365 00:22:49,440 --> 00:22:52,240 Speaker 3: report saying she had a restraining order against him, but 366 00:22:52,440 --> 00:22:56,000 Speaker 3: Olivertian wouldn't leave her alone and repeatedly called her police 367 00:22:56,040 --> 00:22:58,880 Speaker 3: initiate an arrest warrant for violation of a protection order. 368 00:22:59,080 --> 00:23:02,320 Speaker 3: Olivertian's second marriage lasted one month longer than his first, 369 00:23:02,359 --> 00:23:05,399 Speaker 3: with his second wife filing for divorce after seven months. 370 00:23:05,720 --> 00:23:08,879 Speaker 3: A temporary restraining order against Olavertian is put in place, 371 00:23:09,080 --> 00:23:11,560 Speaker 3: but at court rules, he violated it when he took 372 00:23:11,720 --> 00:23:15,040 Speaker 3: all the household items and furnishings out of the marital residence. 373 00:23:15,359 --> 00:23:19,160 Speaker 3: The Providence General reported Alaverdian owed his ex wife fifty 374 00:23:19,200 --> 00:23:21,560 Speaker 3: two thousand dollars what a. 375 00:23:21,520 --> 00:23:26,080 Speaker 1: Horse's rear end. There's a lot of other Latin phrases 376 00:23:26,119 --> 00:23:29,639 Speaker 1: for that, like jack. But not only does he be 377 00:23:29,880 --> 00:23:33,280 Speaker 1: the woman, it's his second wife to follow tro against him. 378 00:23:33,640 --> 00:23:36,680 Speaker 1: But then he takes all the furniture and high household 379 00:23:36,720 --> 00:23:40,760 Speaker 1: items when he leaves. He's like take that. He takes 380 00:23:40,800 --> 00:23:44,600 Speaker 1: all the stuff after he scares the woman out of 381 00:23:44,600 --> 00:23:47,280 Speaker 1: her skin. I mean, it never ends with this guy. Hey, 382 00:23:47,560 --> 00:23:55,640 Speaker 1: Docter Jeff Kalshewski. So many crimes result from a tumultuous relationship, 383 00:23:56,440 --> 00:24:01,159 Speaker 1: and the parties always blame each other when you have 384 00:24:01,280 --> 00:24:04,520 Speaker 1: so many people pointing the finger at you, as I 385 00:24:04,600 --> 00:24:07,840 Speaker 1: love to argue, the jury's all these women are lying 386 00:24:08,760 --> 00:24:12,800 Speaker 1: and Alverdi is the only one telling the truth. He's 387 00:24:12,840 --> 00:24:16,240 Speaker 1: got two wives, one foster divorce after six months, one 388 00:24:16,280 --> 00:24:22,520 Speaker 1: after seven months, staying power. You've got women claiming rape, assault, 389 00:24:23,040 --> 00:24:27,600 Speaker 1: masturbating on them what they're all lying except for him, 390 00:24:27,800 --> 00:24:29,040 Speaker 1: Doctor Jeff Kelschewski. 391 00:24:29,240 --> 00:24:33,480 Speaker 9: Right again, we're talking about this whole narcissistic aspect of 392 00:24:33,520 --> 00:24:37,800 Speaker 9: this person. We're talking about likely a personality disorder. And 393 00:24:38,080 --> 00:24:41,920 Speaker 9: they actually again they sort of believe their own lives 394 00:24:42,359 --> 00:24:45,000 Speaker 9: and the mass conspiracy of all these women from all 395 00:24:45,000 --> 00:24:45,520 Speaker 9: old I no. 396 00:24:45,920 --> 00:24:48,679 Speaker 1: Okay, look, I know you're educated in this and I 397 00:24:48,720 --> 00:24:53,159 Speaker 1: am totally ignorant, but let me just go ahead and 398 00:24:53,280 --> 00:24:56,359 Speaker 1: argue with you anyway. I think he knows he's lying. 399 00:24:56,440 --> 00:24:58,359 Speaker 1: I don't think he believes it's for one minute. I 400 00:24:58,400 --> 00:25:04,480 Speaker 1: think his front is that he's angry other people won't 401 00:25:04,520 --> 00:25:07,119 Speaker 1: believe his lies because he's got all his bases covered. 402 00:25:07,480 --> 00:25:10,600 Speaker 1: Like oj Simpson, what I think, Yeah, I. 403 00:25:10,560 --> 00:25:12,840 Speaker 9: Think you're out of something. He might he might know 404 00:25:13,000 --> 00:25:16,959 Speaker 9: he's lying, And again, like you said, be angry that 405 00:25:17,040 --> 00:25:20,960 Speaker 9: other people can't accept what he says is believed, even 406 00:25:21,000 --> 00:25:22,400 Speaker 9: if he knows it's a lie himself. 407 00:25:22,480 --> 00:25:26,480 Speaker 1: So here he goes. He's also a deadbeat not paying 408 00:25:26,520 --> 00:25:28,159 Speaker 1: the Why that he owes all that money to you 409 00:25:28,240 --> 00:25:31,520 Speaker 1: for stealing the furniture, He just skips town. He leaves 410 00:25:31,560 --> 00:25:36,760 Speaker 1: Ohio and moves to your jurisdiction, Tim White, Rhode Island. 411 00:25:36,880 --> 00:25:40,800 Speaker 1: But the beat goes on. Take a listen to Sidney 412 00:25:40,800 --> 00:25:42,080 Speaker 1: Sumner Crime Online. 413 00:25:42,119 --> 00:25:45,600 Speaker 10: In twenty seventeen, the Bureau of Justice Assistance the BGA 414 00:25:45,880 --> 00:25:49,280 Speaker 10: awarded the Commission on Criminal and Juvenile Justice over two 415 00:25:49,280 --> 00:25:52,840 Speaker 10: million dollars for Utah to process the backlog of untested 416 00:25:52,880 --> 00:25:56,200 Speaker 10: sexual assault kits in the state. In twenty eighteen, one 417 00:25:56,240 --> 00:25:58,640 Speaker 10: of the Utah kits that was originally filed in two 418 00:25:58,680 --> 00:26:02,280 Speaker 10: thousand and eight was tested and matched Nicholas Olivertian's DNA 419 00:26:02,400 --> 00:26:05,119 Speaker 10: from the two thousand and eight Ohio sexual assault case. 420 00:26:05,400 --> 00:26:08,280 Speaker 10: A sealed arrest warrant was issued in September twenty twenty 421 00:26:08,320 --> 00:26:11,919 Speaker 10: for Nicholas Rossi Aliverdian, But that's not all the police 422 00:26:11,960 --> 00:26:14,720 Speaker 10: were looking at him for. The FBI was investigating him 423 00:26:14,760 --> 00:26:18,720 Speaker 10: for fraud. One of Alavertian's foster parents, Sharon Lane, notified 424 00:26:18,760 --> 00:26:22,280 Speaker 10: authorities that Alaverdian opened up twenty two different credit cards 425 00:26:22,320 --> 00:26:24,879 Speaker 10: in her husband's name and ring up nearly two hundred 426 00:26:24,920 --> 00:26:26,160 Speaker 10: thousand dollars in debt. 427 00:26:27,400 --> 00:26:30,960 Speaker 1: What is it with this guy? What about it? Tim? What? 428 00:26:31,280 --> 00:26:35,280 Speaker 1: That's a lot of money? Two hundred thousand dollars in 429 00:26:35,400 --> 00:26:38,960 Speaker 1: debt afterly opens up credit cards with somebody else's name. 430 00:26:39,200 --> 00:26:40,919 Speaker 4: Yeah, it's a lot of money. I mean, look, he 431 00:26:41,240 --> 00:26:43,680 Speaker 4: is and that's not the only one you've already touched 432 00:26:43,720 --> 00:26:47,760 Speaker 4: on another in which he allegedly owed in exife fifty 433 00:26:47,760 --> 00:26:52,680 Speaker 4: two thousand dollars. There's been other allegations of financial fraud 434 00:26:52,720 --> 00:26:55,920 Speaker 4: by Rossi or Alaverdian, whatever name you want to choose, 435 00:26:56,480 --> 00:26:59,040 Speaker 4: that he goes by at the time. And look, I 436 00:26:59,040 --> 00:27:01,600 Speaker 4: think it all feeds to what doctor Jeff was talking 437 00:27:01,640 --> 00:27:06,200 Speaker 4: about earlier in the program, sort of this narcissism that 438 00:27:06,680 --> 00:27:09,520 Speaker 4: it's him against the world, He's the victim in all 439 00:27:09,560 --> 00:27:12,680 Speaker 4: these cases. That's the type of image that he has 440 00:27:12,800 --> 00:27:16,359 Speaker 4: always portrayed when he again thrust himself into the spotlight 441 00:27:16,720 --> 00:27:22,359 Speaker 4: here in Rhode Island to accuse the child welfare agency 442 00:27:22,080 --> 00:27:26,240 Speaker 4: of wrongdoing over all that time, and we saw it 443 00:27:26,280 --> 00:27:32,840 Speaker 4: firsthand as reporters when he allegedly died, the news agencies 444 00:27:32,840 --> 00:27:36,200 Speaker 4: weren't running the oh bit because there's old saying in journalism, Nancy, 445 00:27:36,240 --> 00:27:38,400 Speaker 4: if your mother says she loves you, check it out. 446 00:27:38,840 --> 00:27:42,320 Speaker 4: And this was something that you have to do when 447 00:27:42,359 --> 00:27:46,320 Speaker 4: you're looking into the allegation that this semi high profile 448 00:27:46,359 --> 00:27:50,119 Speaker 4: figure in this market had died. And we started getting 449 00:27:50,240 --> 00:27:54,080 Speaker 4: very angry emails from someone claiming to be his wife, 450 00:27:55,040 --> 00:27:58,640 Speaker 4: saying that we're dishonoring his memory by not blah blah blah. 451 00:27:58,720 --> 00:28:01,359 Speaker 4: And it's clear to us now that that was more 452 00:28:01,480 --> 00:28:03,919 Speaker 4: likely than not Alabertian emailing us. 453 00:28:03,760 --> 00:28:06,480 Speaker 1: Directly pretending to be the wife. I mean, this guy, 454 00:28:06,560 --> 00:28:09,240 Speaker 1: I'm telling you, and very shortly, I'm going to bring 455 00:28:09,240 --> 00:28:13,720 Speaker 1: you on a special guest. Or Brandt, who travels the world, 456 00:28:14,320 --> 00:28:17,560 Speaker 1: is basically a bounty hunter. He doesn't like that term, 457 00:28:17,840 --> 00:28:23,000 Speaker 1: but he's with the US Marshall Service senior inspector and 458 00:28:23,040 --> 00:28:24,919 Speaker 1: he can tell you anything you want to know about 459 00:28:24,920 --> 00:28:32,080 Speaker 1: bringing people just like Nick Rossi aka Alavertian home. Now, okay, 460 00:28:32,359 --> 00:28:36,600 Speaker 1: we dropped off with me. There's so many places to 461 00:28:36,640 --> 00:28:39,760 Speaker 1: drop off. He just charged the quarter million dollars on 462 00:28:39,760 --> 00:28:46,080 Speaker 1: one of his foster mom's husband's credit card. Thanks mom, 463 00:28:47,040 --> 00:28:50,040 Speaker 1: But that's not really the worst of it. Listen to 464 00:28:51,400 --> 00:28:54,200 Speaker 1: Nicole Parton at Crime Stories. 465 00:28:54,320 --> 00:28:58,280 Speaker 2: In the meantime, Alavertian continued his sex assault ways. He 466 00:28:58,320 --> 00:29:01,320 Speaker 2: met a twenty six year old woman online identified only 467 00:29:01,360 --> 00:29:04,600 Speaker 2: as the initials MS. They dated for two months. 468 00:29:04,840 --> 00:29:07,160 Speaker 1: She loaned him money, but he didn't pay it back. 469 00:29:07,640 --> 00:29:10,880 Speaker 2: MS says he locked her in the bedroom, forced himself 470 00:29:10,880 --> 00:29:14,000 Speaker 2: on top of her, and raped her. Utah authorities now 471 00:29:14,040 --> 00:29:17,080 Speaker 2: say Alaverdian also raped his twenty one year old former 472 00:29:17,160 --> 00:29:20,600 Speaker 2: girlfriend in Orum, Utah in the same year with the 473 00:29:20,640 --> 00:29:24,160 Speaker 2: same method. He promised to repay money, lured the woman, 474 00:29:24,240 --> 00:29:26,960 Speaker 2: who has not been named by authorities back to his 475 00:29:27,040 --> 00:29:28,320 Speaker 2: apartment and raped her. 476 00:29:28,600 --> 00:29:34,360 Speaker 1: Similar actually not similar fingerprint crimes, same modus operandim method 477 00:29:34,400 --> 00:29:39,120 Speaker 1: of operation. And I find it really interesting. And I'm 478 00:29:39,200 --> 00:29:43,440 Speaker 1: sure that Greg Algrin, high profile lawyer joining us out 479 00:29:43,440 --> 00:29:47,920 Speaker 1: of Laredo, we'll want to weigh in on this. Earlier 480 00:29:48,000 --> 00:29:52,720 Speaker 1: we heard from investigator reporter Sidney Sumner that the Justice 481 00:29:52,760 --> 00:29:59,040 Speaker 1: Bureau awarded two million dollars to process old rape kits. 482 00:29:59,440 --> 00:30:02,280 Speaker 1: There were just on the shelf and there wasn't enough 483 00:30:02,320 --> 00:30:05,760 Speaker 1: time or money to process them all to catch the 484 00:30:05,800 --> 00:30:11,200 Speaker 1: purpse with DNA. It reminds me of Eliza Fletcher, the 485 00:30:11,360 --> 00:30:14,520 Speaker 1: Memphis mom who went out jogging early in the morning. 486 00:30:15,120 --> 00:30:21,520 Speaker 1: She was raped and murdered by a rapist Kleiotha Abstin. 487 00:30:22,840 --> 00:30:24,680 Speaker 1: And in that case, there was a rape kit just 488 00:30:24,680 --> 00:30:28,600 Speaker 1: sitting on the shelf. It had not been analyzed. Everybody 489 00:30:28,640 --> 00:30:32,120 Speaker 1: blames the crime lab, but the crime lab can only 490 00:30:32,160 --> 00:30:35,400 Speaker 1: work X number of hours. They need more people and 491 00:30:35,440 --> 00:30:38,120 Speaker 1: more money to keep up with all the rape kits 492 00:30:38,120 --> 00:30:42,840 Speaker 1: and the crimes. But instead we're spending the taxpayers money 493 00:30:42,880 --> 00:30:45,840 Speaker 1: doing so many other things. That's a whole other can 494 00:30:45,880 --> 00:30:50,080 Speaker 1: of worms. But if Kleiotha Abston had been behind bars 495 00:30:50,600 --> 00:30:53,600 Speaker 1: as he should have been on a rape then Eliza 496 00:30:53,680 --> 00:30:57,040 Speaker 1: Fletcher would be alive with her children right now. But no, 497 00:30:58,840 --> 00:31:01,400 Speaker 1: the good news out of this is because of that 498 00:31:01,440 --> 00:31:06,800 Speaker 1: two million dollar grant, this guy Nick Rossi aka Alaverdian's 499 00:31:06,920 --> 00:31:14,400 Speaker 1: DNA pops up. He is the rapist. According to diox Saravo, 500 00:31:14,560 --> 00:31:18,400 Speaker 1: Niklake ascid. In the meantime, We've got two more sex 501 00:31:18,440 --> 00:31:24,680 Speaker 1: assault victims, rape victims, same m O. But then what happens? 502 00:31:24,800 --> 00:31:26,000 Speaker 1: Take a listen to Dave mac. 503 00:31:26,200 --> 00:31:29,120 Speaker 3: The death of Nicholas Olivertian was met with skepticism by 504 00:31:29,160 --> 00:31:31,600 Speaker 3: those in law enforcement, and in July of twenty twenty, 505 00:31:31,640 --> 00:31:34,960 Speaker 3: the Rhode Island State Police opened an investigation. As the 506 00:31:34,960 --> 00:31:39,000 Speaker 3: investigation began, Olivertian's foster mother, Sharon Lane, said she was 507 00:31:39,040 --> 00:31:42,560 Speaker 3: contacted by Aliverdian's biological mother who asked her to check 508 00:31:42,600 --> 00:31:46,440 Speaker 3: out the obituary. The minute Sharon Lane read the obituary 509 00:31:46,480 --> 00:31:49,120 Speaker 3: with all of the adulatory comments, she believed he was 510 00:31:49,160 --> 00:31:51,920 Speaker 3: written by Olivertian himself and that he faked his death. 511 00:31:52,400 --> 00:31:56,360 Speaker 3: Utah authorities continued investigating the first rape allegation against Nicholas 512 00:31:56,360 --> 00:32:00,680 Speaker 3: Olivertian and issued a warrant for his arrest. Months after 513 00:32:00,720 --> 00:32:01,880 Speaker 3: he supposedly died. 514 00:32:08,200 --> 00:32:16,320 Speaker 1: Crime Stories with Nancy Grace, Nicholas Rossi appeared via prison 515 00:32:16,680 --> 00:32:19,880 Speaker 1: video link. Now set for trial in the Salt Lake 516 00:32:19,920 --> 00:32:24,760 Speaker 1: County case in April the Oram case in September. Rossi, 517 00:32:24,840 --> 00:32:31,080 Speaker 1: whose legal name is actually Nicholas Alaverdian has used multiple aliases, 518 00:32:31,400 --> 00:32:34,080 Speaker 1: of course, the one claiming he's an Irish orphan named 519 00:32:34,200 --> 00:32:37,920 Speaker 1: Arthur Knight. Dear Gravey, it never ends with this guy. 520 00:32:39,720 --> 00:32:42,800 Speaker 1: Rossi actually grew up in foster homes in Rhode Island 521 00:32:42,920 --> 00:32:45,880 Speaker 1: and he returned to Rhode Island before faking his death 522 00:32:45,920 --> 00:32:50,240 Speaker 1: and fleeing the US. An obituary was published online claiming 523 00:32:50,320 --> 00:32:56,360 Speaker 1: he died of late stage non Hodgkins lymphoma. OH. At 524 00:32:56,360 --> 00:33:00,440 Speaker 1: the time, his former foster family doubted he really died. 525 00:33:01,120 --> 00:33:05,000 Speaker 1: Then he was arrested in Scotland after he was recognized 526 00:33:05,040 --> 00:33:09,160 Speaker 1: at the Queen Elizabeth University Hospital in Glasgow. He was 527 00:33:09,200 --> 00:33:15,640 Speaker 1: there getting treated for COVID nineteen. What more do we 528 00:33:15,720 --> 00:33:20,120 Speaker 1: know about the alleged rapes? Erv Brant, Senior Inspector, US 529 00:33:20,200 --> 00:33:27,040 Speaker 1: Marshall Service International Investigations, Chief Inspector DOJ, Office of International Affairs, 530 00:33:27,440 --> 00:33:32,640 Speaker 1: author of Solo Shot, Curse of the Bluestone and Flying Solo, 531 00:33:33,120 --> 00:33:36,760 Speaker 1: Top of the World. It's about His books are about 532 00:33:36,800 --> 00:33:43,000 Speaker 1: this character, the swashbuckling character Jack Solo, who has a 533 00:33:43,120 --> 00:33:50,560 Speaker 1: striking similarity to Erv Brandt. So RV Brandt. It's not 534 00:33:50,720 --> 00:33:55,200 Speaker 1: good when seven months after you quote Die that an 535 00:33:55,280 --> 00:33:57,280 Speaker 1: arrestaurant is issued for you. 536 00:33:57,320 --> 00:34:02,440 Speaker 5: No, Nancy, it's not good. A very good investigation by 537 00:34:02,600 --> 00:34:09,279 Speaker 5: multiple jurisdictions and that led to finding Aliverdian in Scotland. 538 00:34:09,360 --> 00:34:12,239 Speaker 1: And it's really amazing the way that they find him. 539 00:34:12,320 --> 00:34:14,040 Speaker 1: I want you to take a listen to Sidney Sumner 540 00:34:14,080 --> 00:34:14,840 Speaker 1: Crime online. 541 00:34:14,880 --> 00:34:18,680 Speaker 10: As investigators were looking for Nicholas Alavertian and Nicholas Rossi 542 00:34:18,760 --> 00:34:21,440 Speaker 10: in the United States, a man named Arthur Knight was 543 00:34:21,480 --> 00:34:25,120 Speaker 10: being treated for COVID nineteen at Queen Elizabeth University Hospital 544 00:34:25,160 --> 00:34:25,920 Speaker 10: in Glasglow. 545 00:34:26,239 --> 00:34:28,279 Speaker 1: He had been living a happy new life. 546 00:34:28,000 --> 00:34:30,520 Speaker 10: Married a woman named Miranda, and he worked as a tutor, 547 00:34:30,680 --> 00:34:33,480 Speaker 10: but then he suffered a serious case of numanitis caused 548 00:34:33,480 --> 00:34:37,560 Speaker 10: by COVID nineteen. Someone recognized him through his distinctive tattoos. 549 00:34:37,800 --> 00:34:40,560 Speaker 10: They were a match to those from a Pawtucket police 550 00:34:40,560 --> 00:34:43,359 Speaker 10: booking photo of him. In December twenty twenty one, they 551 00:34:43,440 --> 00:34:46,919 Speaker 10: arrested the convicted sex offender in the Glasglow hospital, where 552 00:34:46,920 --> 00:34:50,040 Speaker 10: he lay critically ill. With COVID authority say Knight was 553 00:34:50,160 --> 00:34:54,400 Speaker 10: just one of Aliverdian's sixteen known aliases, which include Nicholas Rossi, 554 00:34:54,600 --> 00:34:57,920 Speaker 10: Nicholas Brown, Arthur Brown, and Arthur Knight Brown. He was 555 00:34:57,960 --> 00:35:01,560 Speaker 10: identified through fingerprints and DNA, as well as an analysis 556 00:35:01,600 --> 00:35:03,160 Speaker 10: of his distinctive tattoos. 557 00:35:03,440 --> 00:35:07,360 Speaker 1: Okay, to you, Tim White, joining us from w p 558 00:35:07,880 --> 00:35:12,560 Speaker 1: R I t V. What is the distinctive tattoo? 559 00:35:12,680 --> 00:35:15,120 Speaker 4: Well, actually, I was looking at some of those pictures 560 00:35:15,560 --> 00:35:17,799 Speaker 4: just getting ready for this interview, and he has some 561 00:35:17,920 --> 00:35:22,800 Speaker 4: tattoos on his arm that you know, I'm going to 562 00:35:22,880 --> 00:35:24,279 Speaker 4: call up some of the pictures here, so I going 563 00:35:24,320 --> 00:35:26,800 Speaker 4: to describe him. But he had tattoos on his arms 564 00:35:26,840 --> 00:35:29,560 Speaker 4: that you know, they're they're very distinct. 565 00:35:29,719 --> 00:35:33,600 Speaker 1: Oh my goodness, I'm looking at them. It looks like 566 00:35:33,719 --> 00:35:36,680 Speaker 1: some kind of a bizarre coat of arms with the 567 00:35:36,760 --> 00:35:40,719 Speaker 1: sun coming up over the coat of arms and giant wings, 568 00:35:41,680 --> 00:35:44,799 Speaker 1: I mean they go. It's almost a full sleeve. And 569 00:35:44,880 --> 00:35:48,480 Speaker 1: on the other arm it looks something like a navy anchor. 570 00:35:50,080 --> 00:35:50,800 Speaker 1: He's covered. 571 00:35:50,920 --> 00:35:53,600 Speaker 4: The anchor is a symbol of Rhode Island. It's on 572 00:35:53,640 --> 00:35:54,680 Speaker 4: our state flag. 573 00:35:54,719 --> 00:35:54,879 Speaker 5: Here. 574 00:35:54,920 --> 00:35:57,160 Speaker 4: I suspect that's probably White. He has an on there. 575 00:35:58,120 --> 00:36:05,360 Speaker 1: Oh Okay, Now, of course, with all of these distinctive tattoos, 576 00:36:05,360 --> 00:36:10,520 Speaker 1: that's one way to put it. And sixteen known aliases. 577 00:36:10,560 --> 00:36:15,000 Speaker 1: Of course, Greg Augrin, high profile lawyer out of loreto. 578 00:36:15,560 --> 00:36:20,080 Speaker 1: I love nothing more when the prosecutor reads the indictment 579 00:36:20,120 --> 00:36:23,560 Speaker 1: to the jury and reads off the witnesses to make 580 00:36:23,600 --> 00:36:26,320 Speaker 1: sure none of them are related or know the witnesses. 581 00:36:27,160 --> 00:36:28,840 Speaker 1: I love it when the whole front page of the 582 00:36:28,880 --> 00:36:35,200 Speaker 1: indictment is a listing of the defendants aliases aka Alverdian 583 00:36:35,360 --> 00:36:41,960 Speaker 1: aka Nicholas Brown aka Author Brown aka author Knight. I mean, 584 00:36:42,320 --> 00:36:45,320 Speaker 1: because nobody on the jury is going to have an alias, 585 00:36:45,360 --> 00:36:46,160 Speaker 1: just a defendant. 586 00:36:46,400 --> 00:36:50,520 Speaker 7: Yeah, that's a very prejudicial Obviously, this guy is a 587 00:36:50,640 --> 00:36:53,960 Speaker 7: serial con man, experienced criminal. 588 00:36:54,640 --> 00:36:57,360 Speaker 1: It gives a jury a horrible impression, but it's true. 589 00:36:58,640 --> 00:37:00,759 Speaker 1: And you have to read off all the eliases to 590 00:37:00,800 --> 00:37:04,799 Speaker 1: the jury in case they know him under some fake name. 591 00:37:05,600 --> 00:37:10,000 Speaker 1: So it's a necessity of the law. But when ladies, 592 00:37:10,360 --> 00:37:13,520 Speaker 1: when you meet a guy that a wants money in 593 00:37:13,680 --> 00:37:16,960 Speaker 1: b has an alias, and I'll just throw this in 594 00:37:17,000 --> 00:37:20,720 Speaker 1: there has a second cell phone, run for the hills 595 00:37:20,960 --> 00:37:23,960 Speaker 1: as if you had seen a monster. So to you, 596 00:37:24,160 --> 00:37:28,040 Speaker 1: irv Brant, how did they track this guy down? And 597 00:37:28,160 --> 00:37:32,080 Speaker 1: of course he wouldn't waive extradition. He insisted he was 598 00:37:32,120 --> 00:37:36,160 Speaker 1: an Irish orphan and challenged authorities to prove he wasn't. 599 00:37:36,480 --> 00:37:38,480 Speaker 1: So how do you tackle something like that? 600 00:37:38,600 --> 00:37:42,640 Speaker 5: Or brant Well, Nincia. It's in the UK. It's very complicated. 601 00:37:42,680 --> 00:37:45,720 Speaker 5: They have an extensive appeals system. 602 00:37:45,880 --> 00:37:49,560 Speaker 1: Just a second, anywhere the lawyers have to wear, including women, 603 00:37:49,680 --> 00:37:53,520 Speaker 1: a white wig on their head. I would say, it's complicated, 604 00:37:53,800 --> 00:37:54,839 Speaker 1: but go ahead. 605 00:37:54,560 --> 00:38:00,439 Speaker 5: Okay, you're right it is. And he maintained the whole 606 00:38:00,440 --> 00:38:04,560 Speaker 5: time that authorities had the wrong individual, even though he 607 00:38:04,719 --> 00:38:13,279 Speaker 5: was confronted with DNA evidence, fingerprints, the distinctive tattoos. His 608 00:38:13,800 --> 00:38:19,000 Speaker 5: defense was always that's not me. So he contested the 609 00:38:19,040 --> 00:38:23,480 Speaker 5: identity part of the extradition all the way through the 610 00:38:23,520 --> 00:38:29,239 Speaker 5: appeal process, until finally the Crown decided that it is 611 00:38:29,320 --> 00:38:32,839 Speaker 5: indeed the same person wanted in the United States, and 612 00:38:33,320 --> 00:38:35,759 Speaker 5: the Crown issued a surrender warrant to the Office of 613 00:38:35,800 --> 00:38:41,279 Speaker 5: International Affairs in the US Marshal Service conducted the extradition. 614 00:38:41,400 --> 00:38:44,480 Speaker 1: How are they typically brought back from overseas. 615 00:38:43,880 --> 00:38:47,680 Speaker 5: Well, Typically they would be brought back on a commercial flight. 616 00:38:47,840 --> 00:38:50,680 Speaker 1: I mean with paying customers like myself and my children. 617 00:38:50,880 --> 00:38:52,160 Speaker 1: I don't know this guy sitting behind me. 618 00:38:52,400 --> 00:38:55,239 Speaker 5: Well, the marshals would take up a whole role, and 619 00:38:55,640 --> 00:38:59,200 Speaker 5: they would take the last row and the do. 620 00:38:59,360 --> 00:39:01,200 Speaker 1: Ever say snakes on a plane? 621 00:39:01,280 --> 00:39:01,480 Speaker 9: Man? 622 00:39:01,600 --> 00:39:03,879 Speaker 1: Think about it, right. 623 00:39:04,880 --> 00:39:08,680 Speaker 5: The marshals would either normally go be the first one 624 00:39:08,680 --> 00:39:10,640 Speaker 5: insta board and they would take him to the very 625 00:39:10,719 --> 00:39:14,360 Speaker 5: last row and there would be marshals on both sides 626 00:39:14,360 --> 00:39:16,160 Speaker 5: of them, and he wouldn't be allowed to get up 627 00:39:16,239 --> 00:39:19,719 Speaker 5: during the flight. But in a case like this, this 628 00:39:19,960 --> 00:39:22,760 Speaker 5: lunatic is not going to get on a commercial flight. 629 00:39:23,120 --> 00:39:27,600 Speaker 5: He's going to fake a medical emergency. The flight crew 630 00:39:27,800 --> 00:39:31,680 Speaker 5: would not let him on the flight. So what the 631 00:39:31,719 --> 00:39:36,960 Speaker 5: Marshall Service did, and this is typical of cases of 632 00:39:37,000 --> 00:39:40,480 Speaker 5: this nature, is they would charter a flight and in 633 00:39:40,520 --> 00:39:44,240 Speaker 5: the charter, in the bid for the charter, the flight 634 00:39:44,320 --> 00:39:47,840 Speaker 5: crew would have medical personnel and then also the Marshall 635 00:39:47,880 --> 00:39:53,359 Speaker 5: Service have deputies trained EMTs that they would put on 636 00:39:53,800 --> 00:39:57,040 Speaker 5: that extradition to bring him back and they would fly 637 00:39:57,160 --> 00:39:59,840 Speaker 5: him from the UK to the East Coast to the 638 00:40:00,080 --> 00:40:05,080 Speaker 5: United States, normally someplace like bangor Maine to go through 639 00:40:05,120 --> 00:40:09,319 Speaker 5: CBP where they would file the parole letter to get 640 00:40:09,360 --> 00:40:15,279 Speaker 5: him back into the country Custom Border Protection. It's going 641 00:40:15,320 --> 00:40:17,359 Speaker 5: through immigration, is what I'm saying. 642 00:40:17,440 --> 00:40:21,040 Speaker 1: I'm sorry, I see why bangor well the. 643 00:40:21,600 --> 00:40:25,400 Speaker 5: Jets that they would we're going to have to refuel 644 00:40:25,480 --> 00:40:30,319 Speaker 5: after a trans atlantic flight. Bangor is one of the 645 00:40:30,400 --> 00:40:36,360 Speaker 5: closest you go further up the East Coast instead of 646 00:40:36,480 --> 00:40:39,520 Speaker 5: New York or someplace, or you know, Atlanta, one of 647 00:40:39,560 --> 00:40:42,880 Speaker 5: those international airports. You go as far north as you 648 00:40:42,960 --> 00:40:46,280 Speaker 5: can because it's the shortest route to the United Kingdom. 649 00:40:46,400 --> 00:40:48,920 Speaker 1: So wait a minute. He faked an ailment and tried 650 00:40:48,960 --> 00:40:50,040 Speaker 1: not to get on the plane. 651 00:40:50,160 --> 00:40:55,400 Speaker 5: Well, he faked ailments in the past and court appearances. 652 00:40:55,600 --> 00:41:00,360 Speaker 5: He'd faked illnesses, and the Marshall Service knows this. Know 653 00:41:00,920 --> 00:41:02,800 Speaker 5: trying to put him on a commercial flight would be 654 00:41:02,840 --> 00:41:05,440 Speaker 5: a waste of time because when they brought him to 655 00:41:05,480 --> 00:41:08,480 Speaker 5: the gateway, he's gone to fake an illness and the 656 00:41:08,520 --> 00:41:13,040 Speaker 5: flight crew won't let him on the flight. So to 657 00:41:13,040 --> 00:41:18,000 Speaker 5: get around that, they were charted the flight fly to 658 00:41:18,040 --> 00:41:18,840 Speaker 5: the East Coast. 659 00:41:19,000 --> 00:41:21,399 Speaker 1: I can't believe my taxpayer's money is going to fly 660 00:41:21,520 --> 00:41:23,600 Speaker 1: this guy. How I'm on a charter flight, But I'd 661 00:41:23,719 --> 00:41:26,200 Speaker 1: rather do that than have him on a plane with 662 00:41:26,760 --> 00:41:32,720 Speaker 1: children and innocent, innocent civilians. This guy shot to fame. 663 00:41:32,800 --> 00:41:34,880 Speaker 1: I'll just call him Nick Rossi, although that's certainly not 664 00:41:34,960 --> 00:41:42,360 Speaker 1: his name. After he wildly gestured when he insisted he 665 00:41:42,400 --> 00:41:44,920 Speaker 1: was innocent, so much so that he fogged up his 666 00:41:44,960 --> 00:41:50,200 Speaker 1: own glasses. So Greg Algrin, international lawyer, joining US out 667 00:41:50,200 --> 00:41:55,880 Speaker 1: of Texas. How do you fight extradition when DNA not 668 00:41:56,000 --> 00:42:00,560 Speaker 1: just fingerprints, but DNA also proves it's you not an 669 00:42:00,600 --> 00:42:05,080 Speaker 1: Irish orphan living in Scotland, you're a rapist in multiple 670 00:42:05,160 --> 00:42:06,240 Speaker 1: US jurisdictions. 671 00:42:06,520 --> 00:42:09,839 Speaker 7: Yeah, that's difficult. So it seems like there's no question 672 00:42:09,960 --> 00:42:15,040 Speaker 7: here as the individual they're looking for. I mean there 673 00:42:15,040 --> 00:42:17,759 Speaker 7: are obviously, you know, there are technicalities that have to 674 00:42:17,800 --> 00:42:21,360 Speaker 7: be followed, procedural formalities. 675 00:42:20,840 --> 00:42:25,279 Speaker 8: And so if you were defense counsel in an extradition matter, 676 00:42:26,000 --> 00:42:31,280 Speaker 8: you know, you would argue that the different due process 677 00:42:31,320 --> 00:42:36,960 Speaker 8: protocols hadn't been complied with. You could also argue that 678 00:42:37,080 --> 00:42:42,520 Speaker 8: there was a discrepancy in the criminal law systems between 679 00:42:42,560 --> 00:42:46,080 Speaker 8: the two different jurisdictions that made the crimes incompatible. 680 00:42:46,160 --> 00:42:49,440 Speaker 1: I'm looking right now at Nicholas Rossi, Nicholas Rossi with 681 00:42:49,520 --> 00:42:53,960 Speaker 1: air quotes, insisting that he cannot breathe properly or walk, 682 00:42:54,560 --> 00:42:57,279 Speaker 1: and he has now put an oxygen mask on his 683 00:42:57,360 --> 00:43:03,560 Speaker 1: face and he is actually fogging up his classes as 684 00:43:03,640 --> 00:43:10,280 Speaker 1: he vhemently denies being Alverdian and his wife on video 685 00:43:10,840 --> 00:43:14,760 Speaker 1: overpowers him and forces him to sit back down because 686 00:43:14,800 --> 00:43:18,920 Speaker 1: he is so ill, all bets are off. The latest 687 00:43:19,080 --> 00:43:21,800 Speaker 1: blow for an alleged rapist who faked his own death 688 00:43:21,840 --> 00:43:25,680 Speaker 1: and fled the country. US fusionive Nicholas Rossi set to 689 00:43:25,719 --> 00:43:28,640 Speaker 1: go on trial for allegedly faking his own death and 690 00:43:28,680 --> 00:43:31,799 Speaker 1: fleeing the country to avoid rape charges. The plea deal 691 00:43:32,360 --> 00:43:37,280 Speaker 1: is withdrawn. Currently facing two rate charges in the US. 692 00:43:37,920 --> 00:43:41,600 Speaker 1: Extradited from Scotland following a very lengthy process where he 693 00:43:41,640 --> 00:43:46,480 Speaker 1: claimed to be an Irish orphan. Remember he's facing those 694 00:43:46,480 --> 00:43:52,360 Speaker 1: sex assault charges in Rhode Island, Ohio and Massachusetts. I 695 00:43:52,360 --> 00:43:56,280 Speaker 1: can tell you this, fingerprints don't lie. His fingerprints matched. 696 00:43:56,719 --> 00:44:01,319 Speaker 1: Nicholas Rossi sought by police for multiple crimes but reported dead. 697 00:44:02,200 --> 00:44:06,760 Speaker 1: US fugitive Nicholas Rossi set for trial after allegedly faking 698 00:44:06,840 --> 00:44:09,760 Speaker 1: his own death, fleeing the country to avoid rape charges, 699 00:44:10,120 --> 00:44:16,760 Speaker 1: and having his plead negotiation withdrawn. Gee, I wonder why 700 00:44:17,600 --> 00:44:23,760 Speaker 1: we wait? As justice and false goodbye