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Speaker 1: Welcome in appreciate all of you hanging out with us

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Speaker 1: as we are rolling through the Thursday edition of the program,

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Speaker 1: and we have got a loaded program for all of you.

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Speaker 1: Nancy Pelosi flustered when she's confronted with insider trading allegations.

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Speaker 1: Mom Donnie the Democrat nominee on in the New York

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Speaker 1: City mayor's race, we will break down his sudden change

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Speaker 1: of heart when it comes to defunding the police. Certainly

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Speaker 1: interesting timing there. But we begin with our good friend

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Speaker 1: Kamala Harris. Yesterday afternoon, shortly after we finished the program,

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Speaker 1: Kamala announced that she will not run for governor in

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Speaker 1: twenty twenty six. Since then, she has announced that she

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Speaker 1: has a new book out called one hundred and seven

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Speaker 1: Days that will be out sometime next month or sorry,

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Speaker 1: in September for those of you, I guess it's the

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Speaker 1: last day of July. For those of you want to

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Speaker 1: make sure that that is on your calendar so that

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Speaker 1: you do not miss the opportunity to buy that on

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Speaker 1: the release day. It will be coming out in September.

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Speaker 1: She also just announced, or it was just reported, that

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Speaker 1: she will be Stephen Colbert's guest tonight on his late show.

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Speaker 1: This is the very first interview Kamala will have done

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Speaker 1: since her epic defeat in the twenty twenty four campaign.

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Speaker 1: She has to a large extent, stayed out of public

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Speaker 1: view for the last six months or so in the

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Speaker 1: wake of that election defeat and the obvious inauguration day

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Speaker 1: that followed. But I thought that we should first let's

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Speaker 1: start with this. Let's go on the record, Buck if

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Speaker 1: you want to, I don't even know what your answer

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Speaker 1: is going to be on this. Do you believe that

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Speaker 1: she will run in twenty two, twenty eight or do

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Speaker 1: you think this is effectively Kamala Harris waiving the proverbial

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Speaker 1: white flag and letting it be known that she is

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Speaker 1: no longer going to be involved in serious politics.

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Speaker 2: You know what I've said all along, Clay, I am

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Speaker 2: a firm believer in Kamala Harris is on her way

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Speaker 2: to a chancellorship or some other quasi ceremonial overpaid role

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Speaker 2: at a UC school, university, California school, or something like that.

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Speaker 2: Maybe she is, you know, a senior something or other,

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Speaker 2: you know, like, but she's out of the political game.

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Speaker 2: Is my point here, the fact that she's written a

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Speaker 2: book about the one hundred days. The only way this

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Speaker 2: book could be worth reading and could be interesting in

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Speaker 2: the least is if Kamala Harris was going score work yeah,

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Speaker 2: and just lighting up every Democrat who crossed her, every

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Speaker 2: idiot who gave her some of the worst advice I've

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Speaker 2: ever seen. It was clear that she was advised, for example,

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Speaker 2: not to do media. That was and she started doing

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Speaker 2: media when the public outcry was, Hey, you're running for president.

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Speaker 2: It's been a few weeks since you became the nominee. Effectively,

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Speaker 2: you have to actually talk to people. You can't just

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Speaker 2: have the machine do all this for you. But now

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Speaker 2: we get to clay, was it actually better for her

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Speaker 2: to not do any of the media here is for example,

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Speaker 2: Kamala Harris.

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Speaker 1: Well, hold on before before we get the Kamala I

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Speaker 1: actually disagree. I think she's gonna run. I think she

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Speaker 1: will run in twenty twenty. Bet stake best steak. Bet

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Speaker 1: Let me let me yes steak bet on Kamala's future.

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Speaker 1: Let me lay out why I think she will run

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Speaker 1: because I understand market down, team market down. I understand

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Speaker 1: your argument of she can get a multimillion dollar relaxed job.

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Speaker 1: She isn't actually a very talented politician. It's rare for

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Speaker 1: Democrats to renominate a candidate who lost.

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Speaker 3: I can run through all of those different things.

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Speaker 1: I don't think she has anything else in her life.

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Speaker 1: This is me getting into the psychoanalysis of Kamala Harris one.

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Speaker 3: She's sixty.

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Speaker 1: That is relatively young as these things go in the

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Speaker 1: Hillary was. But actually, I think Hillary had a I

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Speaker 1: can't believe. I'm gonna say Hillary has a life outside

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Speaker 1: Doug him Hoff. I think he's a loser. I think

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Speaker 1: She doesn't have any kids, she doesn't have any pre

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Speaker 2: I would argue with you that Hillary Clinton actually has

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Speaker 1: Maybe, but she has a daughter, she has grandkids like Hillary.

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Speaker 3: I think either.

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Speaker 1: I think Hillary has a life that is more filling

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Speaker 3: Utterly humiliated in this election, utterly coo. She lost. Yes,

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Speaker 2: She looked like at the same she's a disaster. But

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Speaker 2: she can at least say it wasn't why didn't she hear?

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Speaker 2: With this book, it's trying to reframe the narrative of

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Speaker 2: to reframe it so she can run again in a

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Speaker 2: few years, Clay, the Democrats are going to want to

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Speaker 2: move on everything Biden related entirely, and at least Kamala

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Speaker 2: Harris can go out now on the speaking tour and

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Speaker 2: take that Chancellor's job at you know, you see San

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Speaker 2: go to cocktail parties and sound like an imbecile. If

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Speaker 2: for other Democrats to further destroy her brand. Now she's

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Speaker 2: a former vice president who was pushed into the slot.

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Speaker 2: That's obviously part. I haven't read the book, but I

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Speaker 3: It was I did my.

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Speaker 2: Best under difficult circumstances, and like, you know, please don't

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Speaker 2: hate me. That's her book, it's not I'm amazing. I'm

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Speaker 2: the leader of the Democrat Party going forward. And Gavin Newsom,

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Speaker 2: by the way, he is going to work all the donors.

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Speaker 2: He's gonna work the entire system in California. So there's

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Speaker 3: Hint of a lane for Kamala to run. We got

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Speaker 3: a stake on this one. I get the argument. Your

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Speaker 1: I just think she has to do this because I

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Speaker 2: I think politics was the easiest way for her to

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Speaker 2: outside of politics, she would far. She's never had to

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Speaker 2: She is the dee, the pinnacle of Dei and it

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Speaker 1: But look at the like I can't believe that I'm

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Speaker 1: now going to be made making the commed showtrageous. It

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Speaker 1: is that I'm now if I'm Kamala's chief commissar, her

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Speaker 1: a huge part of the overall electorate. Look, Stacy Abrams

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Speaker 1: Kamala arena right to get the nomination. This is the

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Speaker 1: way I'm sketching it out in her mind. Wes Moore

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Speaker 1: She is the number one my norready candidate in a

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Speaker 1: there's now a battle over what is the overall flow

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Speaker 1: he did when Kamala got elevated, it's Kamala, She'll be

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Speaker 1: Gavin Newsom, I hope you're right. I hope you're right,

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Speaker 1: But you're you're saying, you're saying why she's going to

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Speaker 1: I think guy's going to be the nominee. We gotta

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Speaker 1: go more than a stake. I need like a trip

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Speaker 1: to Saint Barbe. That's that's where. That's where they're going

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Speaker 1: to pitch her. So I'm just sketching out why she's

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Speaker 1: Clyburn is still live in South Carolina and he says

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Speaker 1: you're the pick, much like Joe Biden became the nominee.

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Speaker 1: Look Mayor, Pete, Gavin Newsom, Josh Shapiro, They're all kind

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Speaker 3: Who is the just put it to.

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Speaker 2: The lost everywhere she could possibly lose as badly as

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Speaker 2: she could lose. It would be almost unthinkable for a

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Speaker 2: Democrat to underperform Kamala's numbers in this last election. You're

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Speaker 2: I just think the Democrats aren't that insane, Okay.

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Speaker 3: I mean, here's what I'm saying.

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Speaker 1: They're going to pitch to her, who is the minority

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Speaker 2: I don't think Democrats think that. I don't think Democrats

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Speaker 2: are necessarily going to run a minority. Joe Biden, by

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Speaker 3: I don't think you need to run a mind. I

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Speaker 1: But Joe Biden didn't have to overcome a minority candidate

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Speaker 1: It was Joe Biden when by the time Cliburn.

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Speaker 2: Made sure there was Corey Booker, there was Kamala Harris,

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Speaker 1: Those guys were gone by the time Cliburn had to

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Speaker 3: So do you disagree with.

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Speaker 2: This statement if they run Kamala in well, see, no,

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Speaker 2: we're conflating a little bit here because you're saying she's

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Speaker 2: going to run. Maybe she runs, but if she does,

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Speaker 2: she's doing it for the book sales and the attention.

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Speaker 3: I would I would we agree?

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Speaker 3: Zero zero chance.

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Speaker 1: I don't even agree with that because if they start

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Speaker 1: with South Carolina, I think it will be a minority voter,

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Speaker 3: Now maybe it's West running for governor of California. Why

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Speaker 1: Because I think she doesn't think that it gains her

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Speaker 3: Does anyone want like.

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Speaker 2: A psychiatrist with the uh, you know, the tweed jacket

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Speaker 2: with the elbow to show up when some maniac is

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Speaker 2: waving a machete saying he wants to kill everybody?

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Speaker 3: What?

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Speaker 2: What world does Mom Dani and the people who support him?

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Speaker 2: What world do they live in?

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Speaker 7: Not?

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Speaker 1: The real one is the answer and the scary thing.

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Speaker 1: And then look, this is the argument I made a

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Speaker 1: couple of weeks ago on the show. I think at

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Speaker 1: some point democrats have to have to deal with the

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Speaker 1: choices that they are going to make. It's almost like

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Speaker 1: being a parent, and a lot of you out there

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Speaker 1: know what I'm talking about. If your kid keeps making

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Speaker 1: the wrong decisions and you do your best to steer

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Speaker 1: them away from it, you steer them away from it,

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Speaker 1: You steer them away from it. Sooner or later, experience

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Speaker 1: becomes the best teacher. Where you do something that is

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Speaker 1: moronic and your parents or your grandparents told you not

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Speaker 1: to do it, you do it, and then you're like, boy,

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Speaker 1: that was really dumb. And part of parenting is trying

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Speaker 1: to keep kids from doing things that are so stupid

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Speaker 1: that they ruin their future lifer unfortunately, even lose it.

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Speaker 1: And I feel like for Democrats they have to wear it.

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Speaker 1: They picked mom DOMI and I get it. People out

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Speaker 1: there of wr many of you are listening in the

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Speaker 1: Manhattan area and you're looking around. You're saying, Clay, you're

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Speaker 1: just gonna throw us to the wolves. This guy's a moron.

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Speaker 1: Why should Republicans have to save Democrats from the awful

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Speaker 1: choices that they're trying to make. If you want to

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Speaker 1: put a communist in charge of New York City, deal

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Speaker 1: with it, New York deal with it. Why should all

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Speaker 1: of us have to cobble together votes from Andrew Cuomo,

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Speaker 1: who's awful, or Eric Adams, who's mediocre, or Curtis Sliwa,

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Speaker 1: who's otherwise not going to be able to win because

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Speaker 1: the idiots of New York City are otherwise going to

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Speaker 1: endorse a guy who was sharing videos and tweets saying

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Speaker 1: defund the police. I saw a new clip that he

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Speaker 1: shared where it's like somebody, a police officer, was crying

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Speaker 1: in a car and he's celebrating it.

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Speaker 3: I just I find this guy to be.

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Speaker 1: Utterly false in a way that is even staggering for politicians.

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Speaker 1: And I'm my concern, Buck, is you heard that answer

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Speaker 1: right there. My concern is he's just gonna try to

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Speaker 1: glide because he is glib and he is good at talking.

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Speaker 1: He's just going to glide away from all the crazy

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Speaker 1: opinions he had and say, well, that's not what I

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Speaker 1: really meant. That's not really her way that I wanted applied.

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Speaker 1: Here's a perfect example. This has cut sixteen.

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Speaker 2: He has asked straight up if he wished that he

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Speaker 2: hadn't said he wanted to defund the police play sixteen.

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Speaker 3: Do I wish you hadn't said some of those things

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Speaker 3: a few years back?

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Speaker 7: My statements in twenty twenty were ones made amidst a

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Speaker 7: frustration that many New Yorkers held at the murder of

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Speaker 7: George Floyd and the inability to deliver on what Eric

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Speaker 7: adoms of all people described as the right for all

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Speaker 7: of us to be able to enjoy safety and justice.

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Speaker 7: That we need not choose between the two.

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Speaker 3: It's just a non answer. Which is what this which

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Speaker 3: is what he's going to do.

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Speaker 1: And you're right about Joe Biden wasn't crazy enough to

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Speaker 1: go fully down the defund the police BLM train, because

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Speaker 1: I think at that point in time he had enough

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Speaker 1: sanity to recognize that that was a poor decision. And

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Speaker 1: we've said on this program, probably the only thing Joe

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Speaker 1: Biden got right in his whole career was the nineteen

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Speaker 1: ninety four Crime Bill, which helped to put violent criminals

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Speaker 1: behind bars, kept them off the streets, and has led

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Speaker 1: to at that point a decline in the overall rate

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Speaker 1: of violence. Mamdanie is just he's an inauthentic yet articulate politician,

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Speaker 1: and that means that he is going to be able

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Speaker 1: to avoid consequences for anything that that he has said.

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Speaker 1: I think, and I think unfortunately he's going to be

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Speaker 1: elected the next mayor of New York City. The latest,

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Speaker 1: the latest polling on this, the latest polling does not

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Speaker 1: look good for anyone who's hoping Mom Donnie does not

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Speaker 1: win because however you split it. Even if Cuomo drops,

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Speaker 1: he wins, If Adams drops, he wins, If a combination drops,

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Speaker 1: he's it's not looking good. Uh, and it's it's I

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Speaker 1: think disproportionately the well, I know it is disproportionately the

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Speaker 1: under forty vote in New York that he is counting on.

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Speaker 1: And there are people who live in New York City,

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Speaker 1: and I understand this one of the great frustrations. And

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Speaker 1: this is true in a lot of cities in America

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Speaker 1: right now. It's certainly true in San Francisco, it's true

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Speaker 1: in La I'm sure people complain even about the price

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Speaker 1: of housing in downtown Nashville now right. I mean, you know,

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Speaker 1: people say it's expensive or it's got a lot more

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Speaker 1: expensive not compared to New York. But prices can run

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Speaker 1: in these areas pretty rapidly. But in New York the

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Speaker 1: housing supply is artificially constrained in a number of ways

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Speaker 1: by the regulations, by the super tenant friendly and landlord

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Speaker 1: hostile laws that are in place, the massive welfare programs

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Speaker 1: for housing that you know, I think it's a ny

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Speaker 1: h AA or whatever is in the New York City

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Speaker 1: Housing Authority.

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Speaker 3: There's a lot, and.

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Speaker 2: There's rent control, there's all these things that the government

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Speaker 2: has done. Oh, and there's all the illegals. I mean,

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Speaker 2: you go through this whole list. There's all these things

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Speaker 2: that are government decisions that have made housing substantially more

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Speaker 2: expensive than it would otherwise be in New York. And

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Speaker 2: here comes a guy whose entire ideology is in line

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Speaker 2: with all of those decisions, who's saying, oh, but I'm

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Speaker 2: going to make things cheaper for you, and it's not

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Speaker 2: going to work. The people who are sitting around saying, oh,

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Speaker 2: but I'll be able to afford to live here if

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Speaker 2: Mom Donnie is the mayor are guaranteed to be very disappointed,

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Speaker 2: but they're still gonna vote for him. And you know,

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Speaker 2: this is like real communism has never been tried, you know,

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Speaker 2: real mom donniism. You're gonna see, they're gonna they're gonna

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Speaker 2: come up with some reason why someone else stopped and whatever.

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Speaker 2: The things that he is saying he's going to do

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Speaker 2: are guaranteed to fail. Bringing social workers instead, not even

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Speaker 2: in addition to police, instead of police to mostly disturbed calls.

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Speaker 2: Imagine if that cop in Virginia, Clay who responded it

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Speaker 2: was a wellness check on somebody who was having a

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Speaker 2: mental breakdown.

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Speaker 3: Imagine it was the cop as a social worker.

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Speaker 2: That social worker by the former Georgetown player would have

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Speaker 2: been stabbed to death with a butcher knife in that

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Speaker 2: hallway in that building we all saw on the body camp.

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Speaker 3: So what the heck is going on here?

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Speaker 1: It's not even you can every he's wrong on everything,

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Speaker 1: but the one that I look at, and I really

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Speaker 1: it's not even blm because that was such a defund

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Speaker 1: the police. Any moron that you knew on social media

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Speaker 1: in twenty twenty, oftentimes highly educated, was making that argument

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Speaker 1: in twenty twenty. That one doesn't even surprise me as much.

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Speaker 1: The fact that he's arguing that we should have city

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Speaker 1: owned grocery stores is so dumb, Like that by itself

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Speaker 1: is so profoundly dumb. And he's making that argument right now.

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Speaker 1: He's not even trying to backtrack on that. He's saying, oh,

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Speaker 1: grocery stores are making too much money. The profit margin

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Speaker 1: on a grocery store is two percent at best. It

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Speaker 1: is one of the most difficult businesses to do well

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Speaker 1: in all of American commerce. And if you just look

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Speaker 1: at all these socialist countries that decide, Hey, we're going

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Speaker 1: to have government funded grocery store. You can't go buy anything.

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Speaker 1: People stand in line for hours, there's never any food there,

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Speaker 1: you can't price control. And suddenly he thinks in New

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Speaker 1: York City, where it's hard to bring things into anyway, right,

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Speaker 1: the expensive for trucks and frigeration and everything else that's required,

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Speaker 1: and he's arguing, Hey, I'm going to save people money

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Speaker 1: on groceries by taking it over and doing city funding

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Speaker 1: grocery stores. Is so transparently unable to understand basic economics

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Speaker 1: that that by itself is disqualifying to me.

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Speaker 2: Well, this is what I mean is it's not like

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Speaker 2: there's a trade off here. And this is I think

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Speaker 2: also exactly what you're getting at. It's not that there's

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Speaker 2: a trade off here of Oh, well, people want the

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Speaker 2: following things from Mamdani, and even if he's bad on

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Speaker 2: some things that you and I and others care about,

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Speaker 2: he will deliver on things that they want. He's going

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Speaker 2: to fail on the things that they think they're getting

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Speaker 2: as well. Yes, it's just going to be a disaster

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Speaker 2: across the board.

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Speaker 1: And he doesn't even have he's articulate what has he

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Speaker 1: ever done that is any level of success. One rule

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Speaker 1: that I wish was in place is in order to

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Speaker 1: be running for politics, you have to have been profoundly

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Speaker 1: successful in some other aspect of your life. Right, Hey,

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Speaker 1: I had success here and now I'm going to try politics.

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Speaker 1: What has mom Donnie ever done that he's been successful at.

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Speaker 1: I mean, look, he's very artic.

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Speaker 2: He wasn't even successful at faking being black so he

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Speaker 2: could get into Columbia University, which is that's right, quite

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Speaker 2: a feat.

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Speaker 1: I mean, he's good at communication, I guess, but he's

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Speaker 1: never been successful to my knowledge in the communication fields anyway.

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Speaker 1: I just I think New York City is going to

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Speaker 1: make this choice. I think he's going to be elected mayor,

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Speaker 1: and maybe he's just going to completely change all of

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Speaker 1: his opinions. There's that possibility, But if he actually tries

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Speaker 1: to implement the things that he's arguing for, it's going

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Speaker 1: doctor Oz, you've been dealing with it for your entire life.

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Speaker 1: Are you optimistic about changes that you guys are going

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Speaker 1: Part one and Part two? What should we expect to see?

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Speaker 1: Thanks for coming on with us.

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Speaker 4: God bless you. I am optimistic. I'll as a doctor

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Speaker 4: often has to. There's some news I should get out

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Speaker 4: of the way first, and then We've moved to the growth.

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Speaker 4: But we are spending twice as much per capita as

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Speaker 4: any other country in the planet on our people left

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Speaker 4: expectancy despite that investment is now five years shorter than Europe.

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Speaker 4: We're sicker. It's one of the reasons that we don't

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Speaker 4: live as long and that we do have to pay

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Speaker 4: more because of our chronic illness. This is why the

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Speaker 4: MAHA movement has gained such traction, because moms know that

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Speaker 4: it's gotten really hard to be healthy in America. But

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Speaker 4: the good news is that ninety percent of all the expenses,

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Speaker 4: ninety percent of all the problems that I think we're

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Speaker 4: facing both is paying for health care, but also being

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Speaker 4: healthy is around chronic disease, which we have some control over,

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Speaker 4: and mental illness. They work together, and I could say

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Speaker 4: the number one driver of all this is probably loneliness

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Speaker 4: because if you're by yourself, there's no one to crutch on.

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Speaker 4: We are social creatures, you know. A good part of

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Speaker 4: our brain powers reading the face and listening to the

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Speaker 4: voice of people around us, and people right now making

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Speaker 4: sense to play what you're saying just because they can

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Speaker 4: hear subtle little intonations in your tone. That all becomes

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Speaker 4: hugely valuable. And when you lose that, you tend to

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Speaker 4: become adamized, separate from everybody else. So part of the

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Speaker 4: challenge in the Trump administration, and President's very very clear

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Speaker 4: on this is break the silos down, break down the barriers,

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Speaker 4: and then use the power to convene. And by that

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Speaker 4: he means, you know, allow people to know that you're serious,

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Speaker 4: that you have a stick you'll use if you have to,

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Speaker 4: but you'd rather use carrots to get them to work

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Speaker 4: together on their own voluntarily. And that's what happened yesterday

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Speaker 4: at the White House. President hosted a wonderful event. It

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Speaker 4: was a sixtieth anniversary by the way of the Forum

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Speaker 4: Foundation of Medicare and Medicaid, the agencies that I run,

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Speaker 4: and the President had sixty of the biggest technology companies,

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Speaker 4: the healthcare companies in America pledge promise they were going

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Speaker 4: to do business differently. They're going to give the American

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Speaker 4: people their medical records back. You own them, they're yours,

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Speaker 4: You paid for them, You got the care that you needed,

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Speaker 4: and there's information about that you should have access to.

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Speaker 4: And so we are getting all these companies together, and

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Speaker 4: together are going to make possible. We'll use it on

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Speaker 4: your phone, the ability to get information and advice about

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Speaker 4: your well being, to get your doctor bill to message

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Speaker 4: you directly that may in fact make doctor's appointments, which

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Speaker 4: is hard for a lot of Americans, and get the

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Speaker 4: whole process to move forward in the twenty first century.

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Speaker 4: Like so many other sectors of the American economy have

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Speaker 4: with great productivity and success.

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Speaker 2: Doctor Oz. One of the things you're hearing a lot

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Speaker 2: out there, or we're hearing a lot out there. I'm

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Speaker 2: sure you do too from people who are critical of

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Speaker 2: Trump well on everything, but particularly of the Big Beautiful

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Speaker 2: Bill has to do with throwing millions of people off

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Speaker 2: of Medicaid. We are told, right this is the talking

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Speaker 2: point from the Democrats. Can you just break down what

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Speaker 2: did the Big Beautiful Bill do with respect to Medicaid

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Speaker 2: and health care funding so that everyone can hear it

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Speaker 2: from somebody who's living with these spreadsheets right in front

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Speaker 2: of him.

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Speaker 4: The one, big beautiful Bill saved Medicaid, this beautiful program

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Speaker 4: that was described by Hubant Humphrey as fulfilling our moral

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Speaker 4: and government obligation to take care of those at the

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Speaker 4: dawn of life, the children, those at the toilet of life,

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Speaker 4: the seniors, and those living in the shadows. Think about

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Speaker 4: that metaphor that's who was designed for. Back then, it

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Speaker 4: never crossed anybody's mind that you would let an able

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Speaker 4: bodied person live forever on Medicaid without having to at

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Speaker 4: least tried to participate in the community, and every Democratic President.

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Speaker 4: Every Republican president has said the foundation of a social

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Speaker 4: state net is work. You're not supposed to just give

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Speaker 4: people money and insurance. You're supposed to say, here, this

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Speaker 4: is something for you to get you back on your

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Speaker 4: feet again, so that together we can row the oars

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Speaker 4: and get society to be productive and get America to thrive.

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Speaker 4: And that's what this bill did. It creates a work requirement.

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Speaker 4: President Clinton in the nineties with Well for Reform did

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Speaker 4: this and it worked beautifully. Edyone applause. It is a

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Speaker 4: huge success story. This time the president, our President Trump

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Speaker 4: does that. Everyone criticizes the village wrong. This was an

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Speaker 4: opportunity to give the American people who are trapped in

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Speaker 4: medicaid and the belief that they matter, that they have

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Speaker 4: autonomy on their life, they have agency, give them a

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Speaker 4: chance to get a job, to volunteer, to get educated,

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Speaker 4: to participate as God gave them the right to do.

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Speaker 4: We're all put on this plan to do something. And

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Speaker 4: if you're going to watch six point one hours of

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Speaker 4: television a day or just hang out, which is what

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Speaker 4: that's the number. By the way, for people who are

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Speaker 4: able by on medicaid or aren't working. That's not a life.

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Speaker 4: That's not what you're here for. And so I think

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Speaker 4: this will be judged very and wisely as a wonderful

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Speaker 4: contribution to getting America back on the street again. We've

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Speaker 4: got twice as many jobs in this country. Is people

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Speaker 4: willing to do them. Let's help people connect with the workforce.

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Speaker 4: This makes that easy, doctor Os.

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Speaker 1: I think one of the things that's incredibly frustrating to

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Speaker 1: so many people out there who spend so much money

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Speaker 1: on their healthcare is we pay way more and we

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Speaker 1: don't get the results that would suggest we should get

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Speaker 1: based on what we're paying. In other words, when you

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Speaker 1: look at life expectancy, our numbers are not rate. Why

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Speaker 1: are we getting gouged and other wealthy countries. I understand

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Speaker 1: why they don't charge as much in countries where people

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Speaker 1: are vastly inferior in wealth, But Europe pays, for instance,

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Speaker 1: way less than we do for many of the same drugs.

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Speaker 1: Certainly Canada and Mexico. People go across the border to

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Speaker 1: buy the same drugs for a fraction of the cost.

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Speaker 1: I think that's one of the things that gets people

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Speaker 1: the most fired up. I know you saw it when

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Speaker 1: you ran for Senate. I'm sure you still hear it now.

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Speaker 4: Well as always, what makes you so successful is your

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Speaker 4: timely questions. Within the hour, the White House announced a

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Speaker 4: most Favored Nation prescription price, a letter from the President

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Speaker 4: going out to all the major companies addressing exactly what

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Speaker 4: you just described, the gouging of the American people, and

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Speaker 4: the original executive order that some may remember for a

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Speaker 4: few months ago asked that this global freeloading stop. So

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Speaker 4: here's what the President is saying to all the manufacturers,

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Speaker 4: and it's our job to go out there and now

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Speaker 4: negotiate these prices. But he's saying, from now on, we

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Speaker 4: don't want brand prices in American costing three times the

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Speaker 4: exact same product in the same box, made the same

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Speaker 4: factory as it costs in Europe. And the metaphor for

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Speaker 4: me is the NATO deal. So with NATO, there's an

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Speaker 4: external threat, the President said. Because it's an external threat,

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Speaker 4: we all have to chip in. But we don't pay

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Speaker 4: the whole bill in America. You guys got to chip into.

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Speaker 4: That happened, as you know, with the exception of one country,

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Speaker 4: all the European countries now are paying their fair share,

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Speaker 4: he argues. As an internal threat, as well illness. Why

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Speaker 4: is it that America cuts the bill for one hundred

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Speaker 4: and thirty billion dollars of research and development in pharmaceutical

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Speaker 4: product and then on top of that doing all the homework,

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Speaker 4: we get the drugs out, then we pay most of

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Speaker 4: the of the money that makes farmer profits. Seventy percent

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Speaker 4: of farmer profits are made in this country. This is

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Speaker 4: not the right thing for the American people. Pharmaceutical industry

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Speaker 4: knows that they know this is coming, and the letter

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Speaker 4: just went out literally being mailed as we speak. And

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Speaker 4: our belief is that within several years we can get

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Speaker 4: most drugs, the vast majority of these drugs to be

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Speaker 4: most favored nation pricing. It's going to be a huge

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Speaker 4: asset to the American people, to governors trying to balance

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Speaker 4: their state budgets, but it's also the right thing to do.

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Speaker 4: It shows that America will carry its the right mode.

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Speaker 4: But don't put it on us to cure all the

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Speaker 4: cancer in the world. Chip in help us out a

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Speaker 4: little bit, just like with NATA, will do the same

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Speaker 4: thing with this most favored nation prescription drug pricing.

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Speaker 2: Doctor Oz, how do you foresee technology? We're in this

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Speaker 2: age of rapidly advancing capabilities with AI and robotics, and

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Speaker 2: a whole range of tools that are already doing pretty

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Speaker 2: marvelous things or showing marvelous possibility. How is technology going

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Speaker 2: to be leveraged under this Trump administration, which obviously you're

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Speaker 2: a part of it, on the health side, to improve

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Speaker 2: Americans health, to find cures to get us healthier.

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Speaker 4: The American people have been waiting too long. We've been

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Speaker 4: waiting for to get the right information in the doctor's office,

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Speaker 4: days and days when it should have been immediately delivered.

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Speaker 5: We've waited for.

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Speaker 4: The surprise bills from hospitals, to wait for access to

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Speaker 4: our medical directords just to see stuff that we paid for.

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Speaker 4: And we've been waiting for Washington to take action. The

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Speaker 4: commitments that the President made yesterday with all these companies

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Speaker 4: pledging puts an end to this waiting. Technology is going

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Speaker 4: to allow us to message you when you want to

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Speaker 4: hear it about things going on in your life. It's

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Speaker 4: going to allow doctors to look at you in the

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Speaker 4: eyes and talk to you instead of having a chart

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Speaker 4: the whole time, because they've got a code so they

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Speaker 4: can bill for the encounter. It's going to make it

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Speaker 4: much easier for us to fast track things like prior authorization,

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Speaker 4: where you're trying to see if an insurance company's going

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Speaker 4: to pay for something you thought you paid for. All

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Speaker 4: that's going to become automated much faster. But the real

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Speaker 4: benefit here, and this is a critical point, is we're

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Speaker 4: going to be able to cut the fraud, waste, and

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Speaker 4: abuse out of the system that's destroying it, maybe one

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Speaker 4: hundred billion dollars of administrative costs unnecessarily. You may have

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Speaker 4: read last month we with a Department of Justice, we

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Speaker 4: announced the fifty billion dollars down because we're at one

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Speaker 4: point eight trillion dollar entity. We're double the size of

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Speaker 4: the defense budget. And in order to get into our walls,

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Speaker 4: they are security walls. You can use the numbers that

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Speaker 4: all Medicare beneficiaries have. They're there, they're there, their their

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Speaker 4: membership number, and so foreign companies and countries. Literally the

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Speaker 4: fifteen billion was a multinational criminal organization that's believed, I

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Speaker 4: believe is based in Russia. I mean, these are massive

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Speaker 4: operations trying to take us down. Technology is going to

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Speaker 4: allow us to protect ourselves, but at its very core,

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Speaker 4: the goal is not just to keep people alive. It's

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Speaker 4: to get them be vital, to get them to flourish.

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Speaker 4: The value of of an American who's help enough to

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Speaker 4: work is much much greater than what it costs to

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Speaker 4: treat them. But we have to actually get at those

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Speaker 4: wonderful folks who are making mistakes about their lifestyle in

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Speaker 4: a timely fashion. And technology, especially AI will let us

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Speaker 4: talk to people in ways that we couldn't have before,

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Speaker 4: to literally baby sit them through a process that they

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Speaker 4: may be going through which a doctor just won't do

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Speaker 4: on their own just they don't have the time. And

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Speaker 4: it also allows us to get to rural America which

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Speaker 4: has been left behind, and let that part of the

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Speaker 4: country thrive. You should not have folks falling behind. Every

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Speaker 4: American ought to be cared for with the DIGNITATETD deserve.

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Speaker 4: It doesn't matter what gift go direct.

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Speaker 3: Doctor Oz, appreciate you being with us, sir.

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Speaker 4: God bless you, my friends. Stay well.

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Speaker 5: And politics, but also a little comic relief. Clay Travis

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Speaker 1: Welcome back in Clay Travis Buck Sexton Show. Appreciate all

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Speaker 1: of you hanging out with us. We are joined now

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Speaker 1: by Melissa Holyoke, Commissioner of the United States Federal Trade Commission.

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Speaker 1: A lot going on in uh in that world as

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Speaker 1: we break down all of the different I would say, uh,

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Speaker 1: just insanity that seems to be going on a day

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Speaker 1: to day basis. A lot of different mergers underway, a

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Speaker 1: lot of different moving parts associated with the tariffs and

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Speaker 1: everything else.

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Speaker 3: You're new in the job. How has that been for

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Speaker 3: you so far?

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Speaker 4: Oh?

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Speaker 8: Well, thank you, thank you for having me on. I'm

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Speaker 8: super excited to be here. Thanks Clay. The job has

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Speaker 8: been wonderful, it's been amazing. We had a change in

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Speaker 8: administration in January, so it's nice to finally have a

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Speaker 8: positive agenda that we can implement. But like you said,

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Speaker 8: things are changing every day, lots of big things in

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Speaker 8: our world. I think what's interesting is we get a

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Speaker 8: lot of questions about tariffs, and I will get a

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Speaker 8: lot of questions about tariffs, but we don't even though

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Speaker 8: the word trade is in our name, we don't necessarily

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Speaker 8: do anything with tariffs other than see maybe some of

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Speaker 8: the consequences of that. So we don't negotiate those or

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Speaker 8: enforce those. So what we're looking at what the Federal

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Speaker 8: Trade Commission does is protect America consumers United States mostly

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Speaker 8: from fraud, theres and scammers, and like you said, from

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Speaker 8: anti competitive behavior. And we look at mergers in the

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Speaker 8: world and see what's happening with companies, and we want

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Speaker 8: to protect Americans from monopolists as well.

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Speaker 2: What are some of the thank you for being with

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Speaker 2: this Commissioner's buck, What are some of the primary frauds?

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Speaker 2: You know, one thing that we have a great sponsor

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Speaker 2: on the show that deals with identity theft. And one

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Speaker 2: thing that I've seen is just how sophisticated some of

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Speaker 2: these efforts are to do that. It's really it used

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Speaker 2: to be somebody would send you an email saying, you know,

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Speaker 2: I'll give you a million dollars if you give me

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Speaker 2: ten thousand, and unfortunately that would work far too often.

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Speaker 2: But it's a little bit, a little bit on the

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Speaker 2: obvious side. Now they're getting really good at pretending to

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Speaker 2: be from a bank or I mean, what are the

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Speaker 2: kind of scams or the kind of things the FTC

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Speaker 2: is focused in on policing these days.

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Speaker 8: That's such a great question, I mean, because that is

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Speaker 8: a majority of our work, and what we want to

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Speaker 8: focus on is just growing and growing lest It was

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Speaker 8: ten billion dollars a couple of years ago and now

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Speaker 8: it's grown twenty five percent over twelve billion, and it's

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Speaker 8: what we want to focus on every day. So, and

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Speaker 8: what we're seeing, like you said, is we're seeing lots

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Speaker 8: of sophisticated frauds and the use of different technologies. So

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Speaker 8: one of those examples is they use voice cloning technology.

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Speaker 8: So you'll have a grandma in the middle of the

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Speaker 8: night get a call from what sounds exactly like her

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Speaker 8: grandson saying I'm in jail, I need money, send this

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Speaker 8: to me here, and it sounds just like them. And

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Speaker 8: those are the kinds of really concerning types of fraud

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Speaker 8: where folks, everyone can would get you from it, not

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Speaker 8: just it does. It's a lot more sophisticated than some

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Speaker 8: of the things that we've seen in the past, and

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Speaker 8: we're trying to go out and educate consumers on some

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Speaker 8: of these these more sophisticated frauds.

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Speaker 2: What are the enforcement mechanisms, like what can you when

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Speaker 2: you find something that's going on. I mean, you're not

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Speaker 2: the FBI, right, so what what enforcement mechanisms does the

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Speaker 2: FTC have access to? And how does that process work

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Speaker 2: when you find the fraudsters.

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Speaker 3: Then what.

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Speaker 8: Great question. So what we do is a lot of

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Speaker 8: the times we're looking at trends of frauds. So we

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Speaker 8: have a really large database that we have that many

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Speaker 8: many states have access to, and we look at complaints

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Speaker 8: that are coming in. I think one thing that I

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Speaker 8: want to if I could get a message out, one

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Speaker 8: thing is to make sure to report the fraud. We

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Speaker 8: have a website that says that where you can report

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Speaker 8: the frauds and we take those complaints and we start

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Speaker 8: from there and able to in order to do like

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Speaker 8: you said, investigations we can. We will issue civil investigative demands.

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Speaker 8: If we think there's a criminal component to it, we

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Speaker 8: work with our criminal partners. We will go reach out

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Speaker 8: to the Department of Justice or others state partners, US

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Speaker 8: attorneys and districts across the country and work with them

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Speaker 8: if those are those of criminal components are applicable to.

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Speaker 2: So basically you can flag something for DOJ, and then

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Speaker 2: DJ can actually make it a criminal matter if that's

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Speaker 2: the kind of fraud you're.

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Speaker 8: Talking about exactly. But we don't have to stop just

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Speaker 8: because there might be a criminal component. A lot of

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Speaker 8: times we can move really fast in terms of freezing

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Speaker 8: assets and going in and making sure like to stop

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Speaker 8: the bleeding and basically have those assets available if it's

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Speaker 8: and when we can get some money back to consumers.

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Speaker 1: One of the biggest challenges I would imagine in the

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Speaker 1: merger space is technology and the fact that this thing

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Speaker 1: is moving so rapidly, whether it's AI or elsewhere, that

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Speaker 1: we typically think of monopoly power as something that leads

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Speaker 1: to higher prices. But in the universe that we're in now,

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Speaker 1: some of these huge tech companies are arguing that when

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Speaker 1: they are merging, when they are buying new assets, it's

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Speaker 1: actually leading to lower prices. How do you balance all

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Speaker 1: this out? Because the tech universe has definitely maybe upset

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Speaker 1: the Apple card of what monopolistic power truly looks like.

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Speaker 8: I think that's so important that we're actually analyzing what

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Speaker 8: the harms are. Like you said, we have mergers that

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Speaker 8: we look at. So many mergers that get filed and

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Speaker 8: we get notification of them, but in the vast majority

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Speaker 8: of them, like literally ninety eight percent of cases, there's

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Speaker 8: no real problems there in terms of the merger, and

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Speaker 8: in fact, a lot of mergers provide benefits for consumers,

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Speaker 8: and so what we want to do is make sure

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Speaker 8: we're getting out of the way if there are our

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Speaker 8: mergers out there that can really provide benefits, because the

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Speaker 8: faster that they can move, the better and quicker that

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Speaker 8: those benefits can go to consumers. And then in the

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Speaker 8: smaller amount of cases, yes, we'll take a second look

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Speaker 8: in those two percent of cases to see what's happening.

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Speaker 8: But like you said, in these in tech and in

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Speaker 8: big tech, these are extremely dynamic markets. Things are changing

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Speaker 8: all the time, and we want to be analyzing them correctly.

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Speaker 8: So we're not providing or we're not preventing any benefits

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Speaker 8: that consumers could couldn't enjoy.

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Speaker 3: Outstanding stuff. Well, look, we need you back.

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Speaker 1: I know you got a lot to get on involved

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Speaker 1: in because we've got what the big rail merger that

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Speaker 1: they're talking about right now. I'm sure you're going to

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Speaker 1: be diving into so many of these different cases, so

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Speaker 1: many of these different decisions.

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Speaker 3: Just keep us on speed dial.

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Speaker 1: We want you on to be able to bring us

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Speaker 1: up to speed on so many of these different issues

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Speaker 1: going forward to congratulations on hopefully being able to get

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Speaker 1: a lot more done now with the new administration.

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Speaker 8: Well, I appreciate that so much. I love the work

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Speaker 8: that I'm doing. It's it's very important. I will say

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Speaker 8: one thing that is that if I can just leave

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Speaker 8: with a few last moments thoughts related to the terriffs,

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Speaker 8: I think there's just been this real reinvigoration of American manufacturing,

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Speaker 8: American exceptionalism. And the one thing that the FTC has

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Speaker 8: been focusing on in the month of July is the

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Speaker 8: Made in the USA and label rule and oh are

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Speaker 8: enforcement efforts there? And if folks are looking and they're

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Speaker 8: seeing problems made in the USA labels that they just

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Speaker 8: don't that are suspect to them, they can email us

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Speaker 8: at MUSA at a FTC dot org. But we also

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Speaker 8: work with businesses, So if businesses are trying to comply

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Speaker 8: with the law and want to make sure that they

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Speaker 8: are advertising truthfully and really working with consumers on that,

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Speaker 8: they can also email.

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Speaker 3: Us because lots of people plug for that.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, lots of people sadly do try and lie about

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Speaker 1: them Made in the USA. We've done reading and studies

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Speaker 1: on that, so I'm glad that you can be on

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Speaker 1: top of it, because obviously is something that many people

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Speaker 1: want to be able to spend their money on Yes, absolutely,

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Speaker 1: thank you so much. That's Melissa Hollyoak with the FTC. Look,

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