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Speaker 1: Ridiculous crime. It's a production of iHeartRadio Zarin.

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Speaker 2: Elizabeth. Hello, how are you doing. Let's start talking like this.

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Speaker 3: I think it hurts too long.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, then don't do that.

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Speaker 3: I won't do that.

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Speaker 2: If it hurts when you do that, don't do that.

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Speaker 2: Thank you, doctor, Thank you so much.

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Speaker 3: This great advice. Cayse closed. You know it's ridiculous.

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Speaker 2: Oh my goodness, do I Elizabeth tell me friend of

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Speaker 2: the show, Sammy Hagar. Do you know how he got

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Speaker 2: famous other than like the obvious, like, oh, he played music?

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Speaker 2: Do you know like how that came to be?

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Speaker 4: No?

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Speaker 3: I do not, well, Aliens, Well, okay, well that makes

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Speaker 3: perfect sense.

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Speaker 2: It was written in the stars of Elizabeth. It really was.

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Speaker 2: Go back to nineteen seventy now, just in your mind,

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Speaker 2: and Sammy Hagar returned to Fontana, California with his wife

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Speaker 2: God bless a new baby. He decided to pursue a

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Speaker 2: career in music full time. You say, I'm going full home.

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Speaker 3: The new baby.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, totally the time to do Sammy Hagar style. So

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Speaker 2: he's in Fontana and that's where he gets visited by

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Speaker 2: quote a ship, but two creatures inside of the ship.

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Speaker 2: So well, he was by the way, not like in

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Speaker 2: the field, not like driving his car on a backcountry road.

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Speaker 2: He was in bed.

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Speaker 3: Oh, and it came like did the ship come in

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Speaker 2: And they were connected me, tapped into my mind through

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Speaker 2: some kind of mysterious wireless connection. I was kind of

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Speaker 2: waking up, and they said in their communication to each other,

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Speaker 2: no words spoke, Oh, he's waking up. We got to go,

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Speaker 2: and they fired off a numerical code, but it was

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Speaker 2: not like our numerical system. All of a sudden poo

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Speaker 2: connection instantly broke. So then he wakes up and then,

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Speaker 2: in true Sammy Hagar style, he's like, what do I

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Speaker 2: do with this information? How do I make sense of this?

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Speaker 2: Should I talk to my wife, the mother of my

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Speaker 2: new baby, about these aliens who told me I should

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Speaker 2: go be a star? He's like, no, forget that scratch that.

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Speaker 2: I'm going to u Kaipa, California. I'm going to talk

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Speaker 2: to a psychic. Oh, heaven to psychic and Kaipa. Then

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Speaker 2: they told Hagar, you need to go to San Francisco.

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Speaker 2: Fame waits for you, and no.

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Speaker 3: Stay in you Kaipa. That's where you get famous.

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Speaker 2: I swear to God it happened Boom, he became Sammy

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Speaker 2: Hagar friend of the show. So maybe don't doubt Elizabeth

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Speaker 2: because we are talking about it any more for the.

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Speaker 3: Type of psychics than the UFOs. Well.

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Speaker 2: Also, by the way, he also had another dream that uh,

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Speaker 2: his father who he was estranged from, was drunkenly pounding

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Speaker 2: on his door demanding to see the new grandson, and

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Speaker 2: Hagar He's like, no, you gotta go, man, you can't

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Speaker 2: be here. Man, the Bay's gonna wake up or whatever. Right, Yeah,

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Speaker 2: Moments later, the loud knocking resumes, I mean on the door.

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Speaker 2: This time he goes and he opens the door and

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Speaker 2: it was a bandmate telling him that it was his

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Speaker 2: father had been found dead earlier that night, and so

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Speaker 2: apparently the first time it wasn't a dream. He had

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Speaker 2: gotten up, but he's seen a ghost. So ghosts and

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Speaker 2: aliens were key to the formation of the Sammy Hagar

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Speaker 2: We know, brother, yay, there you got ridiculous right.

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Speaker 3: That puts the wabbo in the cobbo.

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Speaker 2: You can't have a kabba without the water.

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Speaker 3: You really can't do You want to know what else

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Speaker 3: is ridiculous?

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Speaker 2: Brother?

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Speaker 3: Do pretty much everything about the guy I'm going to

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Speaker 3: tell you about Oh, this is Ridiculous Crime, a podcast

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Speaker 3: about absurd and outrageous capers, heists, and cons. It's always

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Speaker 3: ninety nine percent murder free and one hundred percent ridiculous.

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Speaker 2: Damn right.

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Speaker 3: We caught a good one here. I caught a case.

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Speaker 2: Tell me about it.

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Speaker 3: This guy showed up and it was like a fever dream.

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Speaker 3: I've said before about some cons that it's almost like

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Speaker 3: I'm making them up. They're so good.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, is this where you can try to pull one

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Speaker 2: over on here?

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Speaker 3: No? No, no, no, no no, I promise you. It's

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Speaker 3: like if you havesk someone, are you a cop? I'm saying,

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Speaker 3: I'm telling you no, this is true. This is this

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Speaker 3: is this is a true one. You got to tell me, man,

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Speaker 3: I know I do. Got to tell you. I'm going

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Speaker 3: to cut to the chase because there's just too much goodness.

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Speaker 3: Let's talk more rock zaren. I want you to meet

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Speaker 3: Kevin Trudeau.

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Speaker 2: The former Prime Minister of Canada.

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Speaker 3: Yes, the brother of brother Kevin. He was born in

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Speaker 3: nineteen sixty three. Grew up in West Lynne, Massachusetts. Good

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Speaker 3: number one, good boy, this one. He was an altar boy.

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Speaker 3: He played the organ at church and that's not a euphemism.

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Speaker 3: He was an honor student sports guy, played baseball football

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Speaker 3: like forty two Blues, swinging amiss ball for all that.

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Speaker 3: In fact, he was voted most likely to succeed Boom.

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Speaker 3: Right there, I'm telling you that it has been foretold.

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Speaker 3: He was also super into magic, like the game or

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Speaker 3: the pulling out of that as a child magician. Yes,

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Speaker 3: and that's why he wasn't voted most popular. Instead was

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Speaker 3: because he went to nursing homes and he put on

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Speaker 3: the the little magic shows. He worked the birthday party circuit.

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Speaker 3: And I really hope that he didn't get hired to

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Speaker 3: do magic at parties of his classmates that like he

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Speaker 2: The parents are all old, wo oh, we shouldn't have invited.

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Speaker 3: He had He had no stage fright, no anxiety and

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Speaker 3: like the kicker, what made him the coolest. At one point,

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Speaker 3: he served as president of the Junior Clowns of America.

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Speaker 3: Did he fight like quadruples?

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Speaker 2: Do you also form it?

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Speaker 4: Like?

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Speaker 2: Was he founded this? And he's like I am the president.

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Speaker 3: And I'm the president and the soul mem He talks

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Speaker 3: about how when he was in high school he rocked

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Speaker 3: the like three hour IQ test. He took it and

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Speaker 3: it only took him one hour. Okay, but that's because

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Speaker 3: when he was taking it, it dawned on him at

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Speaker 3: I've got his i Q down. Then he pulled like

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Speaker 3: it out, and then he later said of this incident, quote,

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Speaker 3: I hopped in my nineteen sixty seven Firebird convertible to

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Speaker 3: enjoy my freedom from the classroom.

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Speaker 2: Wow.

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Speaker 3: Like, okay, cool dude.

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Speaker 2: I'm just picturing young Matthew mcconnay in this rule.

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Speaker 3: So after this he' said, No, you know what I'm

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Speaker 3: picturing is I'm totally dating myself here. But do you

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Speaker 3: remember those Radio Shack commercials with the kid with a

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Speaker 2: I don't think I do.

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Speaker 3: Anyway, it was like super dork.

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Speaker 2: Okay, I got one for you. Do you remember on

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Speaker 2: Family Ties, Justine Bateman had a boyfriend who was an artist,

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Speaker 2: and he had Carl Nick. That's who I'm picturing.

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Speaker 3: How about that, Oh he's actually cool. I'm looking at

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Speaker 2: Oh you want a dork? Yeah, I thought I'm picturing

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Speaker 3: Okay, well so I'm thinking like a dork who thinks

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Speaker 3: he's a cool guy. Yeah, either way, that's not this.

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Speaker 3: But this is this is just Kevin, Kevin Kevin. So

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Speaker 3: here he does that, he gets later called out by

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Speaker 3: dude apparently told him, quote, you're a loser and you're

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Speaker 3: I could care less smile. I don't think I fooled anyone.

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Speaker 3: distinctly remember mumbling to myself, you're going to eat those words, baby,

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Speaker 3: You're going to eat those words.

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Speaker 2: Wow. How many ninja and samurai you have at home?

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Speaker 3: Oh my god, on n I have a couple of notes, please. First,

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Speaker 3: it's I couldn't care less, not I could care less.

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Speaker 3: Let's all remember that. Yeah, it's a pet peeve of mine.

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Speaker 3: Another thing, how great is a high school student saying,

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Speaker 2: Oh yeah, I style later baby.

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Speaker 3: Then he jumps into the firebird like burns rubber out

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Speaker 3: I'll give you the legend. So it's at fifteen. It's

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Speaker 3: like the late seventies. There was a business that was

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Speaker 3: He went to his first Amway meeting at like fifteen,

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Speaker 2: I'm going to be a diamond distributor.

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Speaker 3: So we started a mail order business, got into the Amway,

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Speaker 3: and he later told people that this all made him

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Speaker 2: And by the way, a diamond distributor is a term

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Speaker 3: But I'm sure he was up there.

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Speaker 2: I realized it may sound like I'm talking about like

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Speaker 3: Well, so Kevin's He's of that of that stripe. When

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Speaker 3: he got out of high school, he started selling cars, ah,

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Speaker 3: No were No, No, it was colleagues Like his colleagues

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Speaker 2: Maybe two or three.

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Speaker 3: Maybe he really pushed car loans on the customers. Then,

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Speaker 3: according to Business Insider quote, he would tell people, save

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Speaker 3: something else. Van lou, his longtime mentor, recalls, was it

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Speaker 3: the best advice? No? Was he doing it to get

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Speaker 3: you the best deal? Hell no. He was in it

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Speaker 3: for the profit and money. He knew most people are.

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Speaker 2: Idiots, Like, okay, your money disappeared.

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Speaker 3: Yes. So he graduated from car sales to the seminar circuit,

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Speaker 3: of course, and he gave talks about how he had

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Speaker 3: techniques to help people improve their memories.

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Speaker 2: That was a big one, an air of like st

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Speaker 2: and like a lot of nasal improvements way before our

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Speaker 3: He was doing this, though, he had a side gig

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Speaker 3: check hiding. Yeah it is. October twenty fifth, nineteen eighty eight,

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Speaker 3: a grand jury indicted him on seven counts of larceny

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Speaker 3: Two years later, he pleaded guilty to depositing eighty grand

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Speaker 3: in bad checks. Wow, apparently he impersonated a doctor when

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Speaker 3: he met with bank officials. He served less than thirty

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Speaker 2: And he just walked in with a white lab coat

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Speaker 3: So Kevin and Jewles they part ways, but it's amicable.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, he's like I used to be on that cocaine,

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Speaker 3: He stayed the course. He went bigger, He went to television.

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Speaker 3: He started with his classic mega memory training program, like

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Speaker 3: You'll like this. The system was supposedly discovered when this

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Speaker 3: Well. Then he was also selling Howard Berg's Mega reading

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Speaker 3: And biotape that was an adhesive tape that he said

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Speaker 2: Wow, he was like a real fight, oh frontiers for

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Speaker 3: Really, he was pitching more than fifty bogus products, and

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Speaker 3: By two thousand and five, his media empire was worth

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Speaker 3: No, he was. He was rich in two thousand and five,

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Speaker 3: He said that pretty much all his stuff was false

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Speaker 2: But he's worth two billion dollars and his fines were like,

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Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, that was like, you know what, FTC fine,

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Speaker 2: So he's still like only having to pay like about

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Speaker 3: He was the only person ever banned from selling a

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Speaker 2: Really, he's the only one. Yeah wow, and there's been

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Speaker 3: He's got he's got to pay that two million. He's

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Speaker 3: why why would he do all this? Why would he

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Speaker 2: He doesn't respect other people? Why most likely to succeed?

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Speaker 3: Why would he do this even when the government tells

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Speaker 3: There's a reason. The Brotherhood, not Brotherhood, the showtime drama

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00:22:22,720 --> 00:22:26,560
Speaker 3: about Rhode Island corrupt politicians. No, the Brotherhood, and not

438
00:22:27,040 --> 00:22:29,880
Speaker 3: the Brotherhood of Eternal Love your drug dealer poicy of course.

439
00:22:29,920 --> 00:22:33,439
Speaker 3: Now the Brotherhood. It goes like this. When he was

440
00:22:33,480 --> 00:22:36,359
Speaker 3: in his twenties, Kevin was approached by a group called

441
00:22:36,800 --> 00:22:40,160
Speaker 3: the Brotherhood natural, or so he claims, He later wrote

442
00:22:40,320 --> 00:22:43,800
Speaker 3: that he could see why they targeted him. Quote, I

443
00:22:43,880 --> 00:22:48,840
Speaker 3: fit a certain profile, being adopted, needing to prove myself, obsessive,

444
00:22:48,880 --> 00:22:52,640
Speaker 3: desire to make money, no real family attachments, high IQ,

445
00:22:53,240 --> 00:22:55,880
Speaker 3: willing to bend or even break the rules, all put

446
00:22:55,880 --> 00:23:00,760
Speaker 3: me in a category of being an excellent candidate. He

447
00:23:00,920 --> 00:23:03,640
Speaker 3: said that the deal they offered him was pretty straightforward.

448
00:23:03,760 --> 00:23:07,359
Speaker 3: Quote they wanted to use my talents and abilities for

449
00:23:07,440 --> 00:23:11,040
Speaker 3: their purposes of increasing their own billions and their own power,

450
00:23:11,160 --> 00:23:15,480
Speaker 3: control and influence over the masses, and exchange. I would

451
00:23:15,520 --> 00:23:18,440
Speaker 3: receive health secrets, access to the inner circles of the

452
00:23:18,560 --> 00:23:20,920
Speaker 3: rich and powerful, and the ability to live a life

453
00:23:20,920 --> 00:23:21,480
Speaker 3: of luxury.

454
00:23:21,600 --> 00:23:24,840
Speaker 2: So this is like the coolest Illuminati. Yeah, it's like

455
00:23:24,840 --> 00:23:26,240
Speaker 2: a motorcycle gang Illuminati.

456
00:23:27,119 --> 00:23:29,600
Speaker 3: And then he said not accepting would mean a life

457
00:23:29,640 --> 00:23:34,000
Speaker 3: of meritocracy, financial struggles, and unfulfillment. It was simply an

458
00:23:34,040 --> 00:23:40,080
Speaker 3: offer I couldn't refuse. They're like, we have health secrets, So, Kevin,

459
00:23:40,160 --> 00:23:43,240
Speaker 3: it makes sense now, I mean that's the old logical explanation.

460
00:23:44,840 --> 00:23:47,040
Speaker 3: Yeah now, oh okay, the Brotherhood, I get it. He

461
00:23:47,040 --> 00:23:50,000
Speaker 3: said he was with the Brotherhood for twenty years and

462
00:23:50,040 --> 00:23:52,200
Speaker 3: it gave him a sneak peek into the lives of

463
00:23:52,240 --> 00:23:56,200
Speaker 3: the wealthy and powerful, and most importantly, he really got

464
00:23:56,240 --> 00:23:58,880
Speaker 3: to understand and see how they are the puppet masters

465
00:23:58,880 --> 00:24:04,560
Speaker 3: for the rest of us. He saw, yes, and Ron Peel,

466
00:24:05,080 --> 00:24:08,440
Speaker 3: he said, he saw everything. He saw factories quote where

467
00:24:08,440 --> 00:24:12,120
Speaker 3: food is being genetically modified and manufactured with the sole

468
00:24:12,160 --> 00:24:15,199
Speaker 3: purpose of making people fatter. And then he said he

469
00:24:15,280 --> 00:24:18,680
Speaker 3: was tutored to the use of quote secret brainwashing techniques

470
00:24:18,680 --> 00:24:20,879
Speaker 3: developed by the CIA that are being used in the

471
00:24:20,920 --> 00:24:24,040
Speaker 3: news media and in advertisements for certain products. That's what

472
00:24:24,119 --> 00:24:29,919
Speaker 3: gangster man so like someone's goofy Facebook. Do you know

473
00:24:29,960 --> 00:24:32,560
Speaker 3: what else he saw? I know, I want to guess

474
00:24:33,040 --> 00:24:36,280
Speaker 3: Area fifty one. Oh of course, yeah, hangar eighteen bro,

475
00:24:36,400 --> 00:24:39,480
Speaker 3: he knows too much. He said. He saw spaceships and

476
00:24:39,520 --> 00:24:40,760
Speaker 3: dead aliens in there.

477
00:24:40,880 --> 00:24:42,520
Speaker 2: Triangle size.

478
00:24:42,880 --> 00:24:45,720
Speaker 3: What did the Brotherhood get out of letting Kevin Peek

479
00:24:45,760 --> 00:24:47,080
Speaker 3: into their inner working.

480
00:24:46,840 --> 00:24:49,000
Speaker 2: And also work with her for twenty years.

481
00:24:49,000 --> 00:24:51,320
Speaker 3: He would never tell anyone the specifics, but he did say.

482
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Speaker 2: Quote you wouldn't name names.

483
00:24:52,240 --> 00:24:54,919
Speaker 3: I'm assuming no, he said, quote. I was used in

484
00:24:55,040 --> 00:24:58,320
Speaker 3: covert operations around the world. I was virtually on call

485
00:24:58,400 --> 00:25:01,240
Speaker 3: twenty four hours a day, seven days Awa, all while

486
00:25:01,240 --> 00:25:04,800
Speaker 3: making hundreds of millions of dollars. They're like, Kevin, could

487
00:25:04,840 --> 00:25:10,480
Speaker 3: you be an international man of mystery the CIA? Yeah, baby.

488
00:25:12,960 --> 00:25:15,560
Speaker 3: He said that after two decades it just became too much.

489
00:25:16,040 --> 00:25:17,679
Speaker 3: He had to speak up. He had to tell the

490
00:25:17,680 --> 00:25:21,879
Speaker 3: world quote, I've seen the light. I was on the

491
00:25:22,000 --> 00:25:25,480
Speaker 3: dark side doing evil. Now I have repented, changed my

492
00:25:25,600 --> 00:25:29,240
Speaker 3: ways and turned my life around. I regret and am

493
00:25:29,400 --> 00:25:31,760
Speaker 3: very sorry for all of the bad things I've done

494
00:25:31,760 --> 00:25:34,840
Speaker 3: in my life. Now I'm going against the masters that

495
00:25:34,880 --> 00:25:37,680
Speaker 3: I once served. I am telling people the truth about

496
00:25:37,720 --> 00:25:41,320
Speaker 3: big pharma, the food industry, the oil industry, governments, and

497
00:25:41,359 --> 00:25:46,879
Speaker 3: the media. And so how does he go against his masters?

498
00:25:47,200 --> 00:25:48,280
Speaker 3: He wrote a book.

499
00:25:48,240 --> 00:25:50,399
Speaker 2: There you go, a book I thought a whole seminar.

500
00:25:50,119 --> 00:25:53,760
Speaker 3: No and too well. And two thousand and four he

501
00:25:53,800 --> 00:25:57,320
Speaker 3: published a book called Natural Cures They Don't Want you

502
00:25:57,359 --> 00:26:00,000
Speaker 3: to Know about Mysterious.

503
00:25:59,840 --> 00:26:01,280
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's starting to sound familiar.

504
00:26:01,280 --> 00:26:01,440
Speaker 4: Act.

505
00:26:01,520 --> 00:26:04,800
Speaker 3: He's the bestseller New York Times Wall Street Journalist. It

506
00:26:04,920 --> 00:26:07,400
Speaker 3: was number two on the USA Today charts.

507
00:26:07,400 --> 00:26:08,879
Speaker 2: So you know, it's got to be cost to be

508
00:26:08,920 --> 00:26:09,440
Speaker 2: a page.

509
00:26:09,840 --> 00:26:12,720
Speaker 3: By two thousand and six, he says he'd sold five

510
00:26:12,760 --> 00:26:16,000
Speaker 3: million copies. I'm not sure, I'm believing that one. But

511
00:26:16,400 --> 00:26:18,720
Speaker 3: he said most of his books were sold over the phone,

512
00:26:18,840 --> 00:26:21,520
Speaker 3: which I guess is the thing. The books were twenty

513
00:26:21,600 --> 00:26:22,520
Speaker 3: nine to ninety five.

514
00:26:22,440 --> 00:26:23,960
Speaker 2: Of pop no time life books.

515
00:26:24,080 --> 00:26:25,480
Speaker 3: Yeah, so what's in the book?

516
00:26:25,600 --> 00:26:26,240
Speaker 2: What the book?

517
00:26:26,240 --> 00:26:28,440
Speaker 3: Elizabeth good question? Natural remedies?

518
00:26:28,680 --> 00:26:30,440
Speaker 2: Maybe that they don't want you to know that.

519
00:26:30,280 --> 00:26:34,440
Speaker 3: They the mysterious They don't. He explains how everything from

520
00:26:34,440 --> 00:26:36,960
Speaker 3: like the common cold to heart disease can be cured

521
00:26:37,000 --> 00:26:44,800
Speaker 3: with crocodile protein peptidey garlic no U CPP rockadel protein weptide.

522
00:26:45,200 --> 00:26:47,080
Speaker 3: He also blows the whistle on the Brotherhood.

523
00:26:47,240 --> 00:26:47,560
Speaker 2: Uh huh.

524
00:26:47,840 --> 00:26:51,399
Speaker 3: He outlines how the federal government, pharmaceutical companies in the

525
00:26:51,440 --> 00:26:54,080
Speaker 3: media are doing all they can to keep Americans from

526
00:26:54,119 --> 00:26:57,159
Speaker 3: living way beyond one hundred years. Oh really, Yeah, that

527
00:26:57,280 --> 00:26:59,359
Speaker 3: we're just itching to do that and they're holding.

528
00:26:59,080 --> 00:27:01,879
Speaker 2: Our bodies want to do but the ghost that wouldn't

529
00:27:01,920 --> 00:27:02,600
Speaker 2: be good for the text.

530
00:27:02,760 --> 00:27:04,160
Speaker 3: My mind is like I think I'm good.

531
00:27:04,560 --> 00:27:07,760
Speaker 2: My body is like raring to go champing at the

532
00:27:08,240 --> 00:27:08,560
Speaker 2: so he.

533
00:27:08,520 --> 00:27:10,840
Speaker 3: Tells in the book, like he hasn't been sick in decades.

534
00:27:11,600 --> 00:27:14,119
Speaker 2: He should call that guy, Brian Johnson or whatever forever

535
00:27:15,160 --> 00:27:16,639
Speaker 2: he buys apparently everything.

536
00:27:17,000 --> 00:27:17,920
Speaker 3: He's probably read this book.

537
00:27:17,960 --> 00:27:19,960
Speaker 2: He's probably on crocodile tears.

538
00:27:20,240 --> 00:27:22,760
Speaker 3: His biggest push is for people to drink lots of water.

539
00:27:23,000 --> 00:27:24,920
Speaker 3: I can get behind that, like I'm all for hydration.

540
00:27:25,080 --> 00:27:26,280
Speaker 2: Sure, that's good.

541
00:27:26,480 --> 00:27:28,679
Speaker 3: He said that diet soda is just as bad as

542
00:27:28,680 --> 00:27:31,000
Speaker 3: the regular stuff and causes weight gain and depression.

543
00:27:31,080 --> 00:27:33,080
Speaker 2: You can use it as a wood glue. That is true. Well,

544
00:27:33,280 --> 00:27:35,719
Speaker 2: you eat up diet coch you can use but it's

545
00:27:35,760 --> 00:27:37,840
Speaker 2: still just it's a tastyolue.

546
00:27:39,280 --> 00:27:43,120
Speaker 3: Other gems in the book coral will cure cancer. There's

547
00:27:43,160 --> 00:27:45,600
Speaker 3: a special shampoo that will reverse baldness.

548
00:27:45,680 --> 00:27:47,800
Speaker 2: Ah, does he have magnetic underwear for sale?

549
00:27:47,880 --> 00:27:53,760
Speaker 3: Because he because I hear you have more magnetic he goes.

550
00:27:53,960 --> 00:27:55,960
Speaker 3: He repeats a lot of his stuff. He says, there's

551
00:27:56,000 --> 00:27:59,040
Speaker 3: an he has an almost instantaneous method for beating any

552
00:27:59,080 --> 00:28:02,879
Speaker 3: addiction for okay. He talks about how MS can be

553
00:28:02,920 --> 00:28:05,280
Speaker 3: cured by sleeping on magnetic mattress pads.

554
00:28:05,440 --> 00:28:06,480
Speaker 2: Multiple sclerosis.

555
00:28:06,520 --> 00:28:09,280
Speaker 3: This is all Yeah, it's all sounding familiar. He's just reading.

556
00:28:09,840 --> 00:28:10,879
Speaker 2: He's playing the heads.

557
00:28:10,600 --> 00:28:11,840
Speaker 3: But without going on TV.

558
00:28:12,800 --> 00:28:13,240
Speaker 2: In the book.

559
00:28:13,280 --> 00:28:13,480
Speaker 4: Yeah.

560
00:28:13,480 --> 00:28:15,760
Speaker 3: He says in the book that prescription drugs are basically

561
00:28:15,800 --> 00:28:20,440
Speaker 3: poison like even stuff for diabetes and blood cloths total poison.

562
00:28:21,960 --> 00:28:22,320
Speaker 2: Wow.

563
00:28:22,440 --> 00:28:26,879
Speaker 3: Yeah, he gets very RFK junior. He says, quote medical

564
00:28:26,920 --> 00:28:30,560
Speaker 3: science has absolutely one hundred percent failed in the curing

565
00:28:30,600 --> 00:28:33,200
Speaker 3: and prevention of illness, sickness, and disease.

566
00:28:34,480 --> 00:28:36,959
Speaker 2: Like as opposed to the ancients who were known for

567
00:28:37,000 --> 00:28:37,440
Speaker 2: their health.

568
00:28:37,480 --> 00:28:41,480
Speaker 3: And talk to some people who I don't know beat cancer. Yeah,

569
00:28:41,560 --> 00:28:45,520
Speaker 3: stop taking non prescription and prescription drugs, including vaccines, he says.

570
00:28:45,600 --> 00:28:49,960
Speaker 3: Quote sunblock has been shown to cause cancer. Quote don't

571
00:28:50,040 --> 00:28:53,720
Speaker 3: drink tap water. Quote animals in the wild virtually never

572
00:28:53,760 --> 00:28:58,840
Speaker 3: gets sick. Oh really true. Quote get fifteen colonics in

573
00:28:58,960 --> 00:29:05,360
Speaker 3: thirty days. Blow yourself out. Quote wear white. The closer

574
00:29:05,360 --> 00:29:07,440
Speaker 3: you get to white, the more positive energy you bring

575
00:29:07,480 --> 00:29:12,440
Speaker 3: to your energetic field. I wear anything white, automatically going

576
00:29:12,520 --> 00:29:14,880
Speaker 3: to spill something on myself, Like I can go days

577
00:29:14,920 --> 00:29:18,440
Speaker 3: weeks without spilling anything. I put a white shirt on Boom, Done,

578
00:29:18,920 --> 00:29:23,040
Speaker 3: done so. The New York Consumer Board was appalled by him.

579
00:29:23,160 --> 00:29:26,920
Speaker 3: Quote this book is exploiting and misleading people who are

580
00:29:26,960 --> 00:29:31,200
Speaker 3: searching for cures to serious illnesses, said Teresa Santiago, the

581
00:29:31,240 --> 00:29:34,760
Speaker 3: New York Consumer Board chairman. What they discover is page

582
00:29:34,840 --> 00:29:38,120
Speaker 3: after page of pure speculation from cover to cover. This

583
00:29:38,160 --> 00:29:41,440
Speaker 3: book is a fraud. People with real illnesses are being misled.

584
00:29:41,880 --> 00:29:44,240
Speaker 3: The board also pointed out that the quote on the

585
00:29:44,280 --> 00:29:47,760
Speaker 3: back cover of the book, one from Herbert Lay, former

586
00:29:47,800 --> 00:29:51,480
Speaker 3: Food and Drug Administration Commissioner, sounds a lot like an endorsement.

587
00:29:51,840 --> 00:29:54,240
Speaker 3: And the only problem is that Lay died years before

588
00:29:54,240 --> 00:29:55,080
Speaker 3: the book was written.

589
00:29:55,200 --> 00:29:57,520
Speaker 2: Well, you don't know when you put the material before light.

590
00:29:59,000 --> 00:30:00,920
Speaker 3: They probably know each other for the brotherhood. So once

591
00:30:00,920 --> 00:30:03,160
Speaker 3: again the FTC wanted to step in, but they couldn't.

592
00:30:03,280 --> 00:30:06,240
Speaker 3: Why not, The book was protected by the First Amendment,

593
00:30:06,760 --> 00:30:11,320
Speaker 3: God bless it. Free speech. Interesting, he wasn't pushing products.

594
00:30:11,360 --> 00:30:15,280
Speaker 3: He was pushing ideas that could lead the reader to products.

595
00:30:15,640 --> 00:30:17,360
Speaker 3: And because of all this, he was able to get

596
00:30:17,400 --> 00:30:20,320
Speaker 3: back on the airwaves. He was allowed to run infomercials

597
00:30:20,320 --> 00:30:23,720
Speaker 3: for his book despite the lifetime ban, because he was

598
00:30:23,760 --> 00:30:25,840
Speaker 3: advertising the book, not products.

599
00:30:25,920 --> 00:30:27,840
Speaker 2: In the book was considered a product.

600
00:30:27,480 --> 00:30:30,040
Speaker 3: Exactly, and so and now there's that little clause in

601
00:30:30,080 --> 00:30:33,600
Speaker 3: there about the ban that it has to be informational material.

602
00:30:34,640 --> 00:30:38,200
Speaker 3: So yeah, he had I'm sure he looked that over

603
00:30:38,240 --> 00:30:40,920
Speaker 3: and was like, oh, are you fools. He had a

604
00:30:40,960 --> 00:30:44,120
Speaker 3: half hour infomercial for natural cures that ran almost one

605
00:30:44,160 --> 00:30:47,320
Speaker 3: hundred and fifty times a week, and once more he's

606
00:30:47,360 --> 00:30:50,680
Speaker 3: in the spotlight. He's raking in the dough. He went

607
00:30:50,800 --> 00:30:53,680
Speaker 3: on a bit of a side quest here. In two

608
00:30:53,680 --> 00:30:57,440
Speaker 3: thousand and five he founded the International Pool Tour. Pool

609
00:30:57,560 --> 00:30:58,320
Speaker 3: is in billiards.

610
00:30:59,200 --> 00:31:01,600
Speaker 2: Oh hey, I was thinking he was like hot boxing

611
00:31:01,600 --> 00:31:03,200
Speaker 2: around and people's backyards like.

612
00:31:05,680 --> 00:31:06,240
Speaker 3: A swimming pool.

613
00:31:06,680 --> 00:31:07,960
Speaker 2: There's a really big one down here.

614
00:31:07,840 --> 00:31:11,959
Speaker 3: In ir International Pool Tour Billiards Tour. Yeah. He wanted

615
00:31:11,960 --> 00:31:15,560
Speaker 3: to quote turn eight ball into a viable big league sport.

616
00:31:15,880 --> 00:31:19,120
Speaker 3: Winners could take home five hundred thousand dollars prizes. First

617
00:31:19,240 --> 00:31:22,800
Speaker 3: round losers were guaranteed five thousand dollars. Your head's at

618
00:31:22,960 --> 00:31:27,360
Speaker 3: most pool hustlers were cheap. They're not they're not high

619
00:31:27,440 --> 00:31:31,280
Speaker 3: rollers at all, and they weren't working with like large winning.

620
00:31:31,640 --> 00:31:32,440
Speaker 2: Like Minnesota fast.

621
00:31:32,800 --> 00:31:35,560
Speaker 3: So this was huge, Like if you're a pool shark

622
00:31:35,920 --> 00:31:37,880
Speaker 3: and you see these numbers floating around. So they all

623
00:31:37,960 --> 00:31:40,360
Speaker 3: slithered out into the light and signed up for this thing.

624
00:31:40,560 --> 00:31:41,640
Speaker 2: I don't like nine balls.

625
00:31:42,560 --> 00:31:45,880
Speaker 3: He knew that qualifying for the tour would mark them

626
00:31:45,880 --> 00:31:47,880
Speaker 3: as professional hustlers for good.

627
00:31:48,080 --> 00:31:49,480
Speaker 2: And like that's not good for business.

628
00:31:49,560 --> 00:31:53,440
Speaker 3: And you know, no pun intended black ball though, but

629
00:31:53,480 --> 00:31:56,920
Speaker 3: the money was just irresistible, right, So for a little

630
00:31:56,920 --> 00:32:00,600
Speaker 3: while it was a huge success. But nothing gold can stay,

631
00:32:01,040 --> 00:32:04,240
Speaker 3: especially when you're talking about pitting pool hustlers against each other.

632
00:32:04,520 --> 00:32:09,320
Speaker 3: Who knew zaren Yes close as I want you to

633
00:32:09,360 --> 00:32:20,720
Speaker 3: picture it. It's two thousand and eight. The economy is tanking.

634
00:32:21,000 --> 00:32:24,400
Speaker 3: People are desperate. You have a job that pays pretty well.

635
00:32:24,760 --> 00:32:26,520
Speaker 3: You were hired a couple of years ago to work

636
00:32:26,520 --> 00:32:30,400
Speaker 3: for the International Pool Tour. You help coordinate the events.

637
00:32:30,720 --> 00:32:33,120
Speaker 3: The owner of the tour, this guy named Kevin, is

638
00:32:33,120 --> 00:32:36,479
Speaker 3: a flashy fellow who lives large, fancy suits, nice cars,

639
00:32:36,520 --> 00:32:39,840
Speaker 3: the works, and he's a massed a tournament, just crawling

640
00:32:39,840 --> 00:32:43,320
Speaker 3: with the craziest pool playing characters around. You're sitting in

641
00:32:43,320 --> 00:32:46,160
Speaker 3: a small conference room at a casino and Reno, Nevada.

642
00:32:46,600 --> 00:32:49,400
Speaker 3: The muffled sound of slot machines hums in the background

643
00:32:49,400 --> 00:32:52,240
Speaker 3: as you tap away at your laptop. The first gig

644
00:32:52,280 --> 00:32:55,240
Speaker 3: you worked for IPT was the North American Open in

645
00:32:55,240 --> 00:32:58,120
Speaker 3: two thousand and six, held at the Venetian in Las Vegas.

646
00:32:58,560 --> 00:33:01,920
Speaker 3: Two hundred players from more than forty countries. There was

647
00:33:01,960 --> 00:33:04,600
Speaker 3: two million dollars in prize money, and the whole thing

648
00:33:04,680 --> 00:33:08,120
Speaker 3: was broadcast live in Europe for one week straight in primetime.

649
00:33:08,440 --> 00:33:12,640
Speaker 3: It was big, but ipt has been slowing down since then.

650
00:33:13,320 --> 00:33:16,280
Speaker 3: You read the latest email you've received and blink hard.

651
00:33:16,760 --> 00:33:19,840
Speaker 3: The order you've been given isn't a fun one. You're

652
00:33:19,840 --> 00:33:22,680
Speaker 3: going to make a lot of people very unhappy. You

653
00:33:22,760 --> 00:33:24,480
Speaker 3: get up from the table where you're sitting and walk

654
00:33:24,520 --> 00:33:27,720
Speaker 3: out to the casino floor. Navigating the slot machines and

655
00:33:27,760 --> 00:33:30,440
Speaker 3: the tables, you head to a makeshift arena area set

656
00:33:30,480 --> 00:33:33,320
Speaker 3: up for the tournament. You open the double doors, enter

657
00:33:33,360 --> 00:33:36,480
Speaker 3: the room, and let them close quietly behind you. Once shut,

658
00:33:36,600 --> 00:33:40,040
Speaker 3: they silenced. The casino floor. In front of you are

659
00:33:40,080 --> 00:33:43,000
Speaker 3: a smattering of pool tables. A long table runs along

660
00:33:43,040 --> 00:33:45,680
Speaker 3: one side of the room, with space for observers and judges.

661
00:33:46,200 --> 00:33:49,440
Speaker 3: Groups of pool players mill around. They all abide by

662
00:33:49,440 --> 00:33:54,120
Speaker 3: the tournament dress code. Suits, long sleeved shirts, leather shoes.

663
00:33:54,760 --> 00:33:57,120
Speaker 3: There's a whole lot of pin striping going on here,

664
00:33:57,120 --> 00:33:59,200
Speaker 3: and many of the gentlemen feel that a maroon dress

665
00:33:59,200 --> 00:34:02,959
Speaker 3: shirt really classic. Things up. A custodian vacuums the carpet

666
00:34:02,960 --> 00:34:05,680
Speaker 3: on the other side of the enormous room. You pick

667
00:34:05,760 --> 00:34:07,720
Speaker 3: up a clipboard and tap a pen against it to

668
00:34:07,760 --> 00:34:10,719
Speaker 3: get everyone's attention. They turn and look at you. The

669
00:34:10,840 --> 00:34:14,319
Speaker 3: chatter stops, so does the vacuum. You're here to pay

670
00:34:14,400 --> 00:34:18,360
Speaker 3: us out. A guy in a fedora asks, well, little

671
00:34:18,360 --> 00:34:23,680
Speaker 3: announcement everyone, You say, uh about the prize and participation money?

672
00:34:23,800 --> 00:34:27,040
Speaker 3: The pool shark eyes all narrow at you. One guy

673
00:34:27,080 --> 00:34:30,800
Speaker 3: stares menacingly while chalking the end of a pool cue. Yeah,

674
00:34:30,920 --> 00:34:34,000
Speaker 3: what about it? He mutters. You tell them, and, halting

675
00:34:34,080 --> 00:34:37,279
Speaker 3: stumbling sentences, that the tournament is not able to pay

676
00:34:37,320 --> 00:34:40,279
Speaker 3: out any of that money at this time. Two of

677
00:34:40,280 --> 00:34:42,920
Speaker 3: the pool sharks toss their cues to the ground. They

678
00:34:43,000 --> 00:34:46,800
Speaker 3: all step forward towards you. You stammer that they'll get paid,

679
00:34:46,920 --> 00:34:49,319
Speaker 3: just not immediately, and it won't be all of the

680
00:34:49,320 --> 00:34:51,640
Speaker 3: money at once. They'll each be put on a payment plan.

681
00:34:52,280 --> 00:34:56,400
Speaker 3: Payment plan. One guy yells you, nod. You're just telling

682
00:34:56,440 --> 00:34:58,920
Speaker 3: them what the email you got said to say. And

683
00:34:58,960 --> 00:35:01,680
Speaker 3: you pulled up the account information for the tour. There's

684
00:35:01,760 --> 00:35:06,240
Speaker 3: nothing in those bank accounts empty. Thirteen million dollars seems

685
00:35:06,239 --> 00:35:10,160
Speaker 3: to have vanished. Yes, payment plan, you repeat back. The

686
00:35:10,160 --> 00:35:12,799
Speaker 3: group mutter and began to scatter, grabbing their things and

687
00:35:12,840 --> 00:35:17,440
Speaker 3: shoving their cues into custom carrier bags. We'll all get paid,

688
00:35:17,600 --> 00:35:20,920
Speaker 3: you announced weekly to the departing pool hustlers. One lifts

689
00:35:20,920 --> 00:35:23,000
Speaker 3: his arm and gives you the finger as he walks away.

690
00:35:23,920 --> 00:35:27,840
Speaker 3: Will get paid. You realize you're telling yourself too, zaren.

691
00:35:28,239 --> 00:35:32,080
Speaker 3: They did not get paid. Ever, let's stop here. When

692
00:35:32,120 --> 00:35:34,840
Speaker 3: we come back, more hustling and not just hustling of

693
00:35:34,880 --> 00:35:59,240
Speaker 3: the hustlers, zarenzab So when we left off, Kevin Trudeau

694
00:35:59,400 --> 00:36:03,160
Speaker 3: had launched to pool tournament with much fanfare and excitement,

695
00:36:03,239 --> 00:36:04,880
Speaker 3: only for the whole thing to go belly up and

696
00:36:04,920 --> 00:36:06,279
Speaker 3: implode a couple of years later.

697
00:36:06,400 --> 00:36:08,560
Speaker 2: Yes, I think I have vague memories of this pool tour.

698
00:36:09,880 --> 00:36:13,319
Speaker 3: Oh yeah. He also dabbled in the casino of it

699
00:36:13,360 --> 00:36:17,120
Speaker 3: all and sold a supposedly quote surefire system for winning

700
00:36:17,120 --> 00:36:21,239
Speaker 3: it backrap not my game, but now dad endeavor raked

701
00:36:21,239 --> 00:36:22,960
Speaker 3: in over a million bucks for him.

702
00:36:23,000 --> 00:36:26,040
Speaker 2: Did he also do TV infomercials for this?

703
00:36:26,480 --> 00:36:27,000
Speaker 3: Probably?

704
00:36:27,160 --> 00:36:28,880
Speaker 2: Okay, so hazy.

705
00:36:28,719 --> 00:36:31,719
Speaker 3: Memory late night yet, But as you can tell, it

706
00:36:31,760 --> 00:36:33,880
Speaker 3: didn't rake in as much of anything for the dupes

707
00:36:33,880 --> 00:36:36,399
Speaker 3: who fell for as it did for him. In two

708
00:36:36,480 --> 00:36:39,320
Speaker 3: thousand and nine, he tapped into the self help market

709
00:36:39,400 --> 00:36:43,240
Speaker 3: and he released a fourteen CD set called Your Wish

710
00:36:43,480 --> 00:36:46,000
Speaker 3: is Your Command? There it is, he said. It was

711
00:36:46,040 --> 00:36:49,600
Speaker 3: recorded at a secret location in the Swiss Alps, and

712
00:36:50,000 --> 00:36:53,800
Speaker 3: it was a guide to success obviously, and it connected

713
00:36:53,800 --> 00:36:57,840
Speaker 3: to the Brotherhood of course. This fourteen CD set was

714
00:36:57,880 --> 00:37:00,760
Speaker 3: sharing with the world all the tips from mega success

715
00:37:00,760 --> 00:37:02,880
Speaker 3: that he picked up from his time in the Brotherhood.

716
00:37:02,960 --> 00:37:04,440
Speaker 2: He's sharing a lot of what they don't want us

717
00:37:04,480 --> 00:37:04,719
Speaker 2: to know.

718
00:37:05,520 --> 00:37:09,440
Speaker 3: They the mysterious they so Spinning off from this, Kevin

719
00:37:09,560 --> 00:37:14,680
Speaker 3: started his own brotherhood, a quote exclusive private membership only

720
00:37:14,719 --> 00:37:19,319
Speaker 3: club called the Global Information Network or GION Player's Club

721
00:37:19,360 --> 00:37:24,160
Speaker 3: International Yes, per Business Insider quote, a membership organization designed

722
00:37:24,160 --> 00:37:27,520
Speaker 3: to offer access to numerous motivational speakers for a monthly

723
00:37:27,560 --> 00:37:31,880
Speaker 3: subscription fee and a multi level marketing company. GION was

724
00:37:31,920 --> 00:37:35,000
Speaker 3: set up with the assistance of a quote council made

725
00:37:35,080 --> 00:37:38,840
Speaker 3: up of thirty billionaires and other powerful figures. Trudeau claimed.

726
00:37:39,200 --> 00:37:42,839
Speaker 3: Though the council remained anonymous, the organization attracted more than

727
00:37:42,960 --> 00:37:46,600
Speaker 3: thirty thousand members at his peak and brought in millions

728
00:37:46,600 --> 00:37:51,440
Speaker 3: of dollars a month. Among this advisory council, the website

729
00:37:51,440 --> 00:37:55,120
Speaker 3: boasted were quote a former Prime Minister, Members of various

730
00:37:55,160 --> 00:37:59,800
Speaker 3: royal families, a former president of a major country, general's billionaires,

731
00:38:00,160 --> 00:38:05,480
Speaker 3: cooon's industrialist politicians, a current Supreme Court judge, major media moguls,

732
00:38:05,760 --> 00:38:08,239
Speaker 3: and several celebrities. You would know my name, so.

733
00:38:08,280 --> 00:38:10,720
Speaker 2: I can actually get the inside screw from Claire Thompas.

734
00:38:10,760 --> 00:38:12,160
Speaker 3: I was going to say, that has to be who

735
00:38:12,160 --> 00:38:15,160
Speaker 3: it is. It has to be Clarence Thomas. Of course,

736
00:38:15,200 --> 00:38:18,040
Speaker 3: if you joined, you had to recruit other members and

737
00:38:18,080 --> 00:38:20,440
Speaker 3: then you got a little of their dues as a fighter.

738
00:38:22,719 --> 00:38:24,960
Speaker 3: And this became a huge cash cow for Kevin. But

739
00:38:24,960 --> 00:38:29,160
Speaker 3: it wasn't enough, because nothing ever was. He He had

740
00:38:29,200 --> 00:38:32,760
Speaker 3: another scam going those gaining steam, which is two thousand

741
00:38:32,760 --> 00:38:35,759
Speaker 3: and seven, he released the weight loss cure they don't

742
00:38:35,800 --> 00:38:39,280
Speaker 3: want you to know about, and it was basically based

743
00:38:39,360 --> 00:38:42,880
Speaker 3: on Simeon's Protocol, which is a technique developed by a

744
00:38:42,920 --> 00:38:46,520
Speaker 3: British doctor in the fifties that was purported to reset

745
00:38:46,600 --> 00:38:51,399
Speaker 3: the hypothalamus. Oh okay, that would let the patient lose weight.

746
00:38:51,560 --> 00:38:53,560
Speaker 2: I thought, I just reseat the glycemic index.

747
00:38:54,040 --> 00:38:59,120
Speaker 3: The hyper According to Business Insider again quote among other things,

748
00:38:59,160 --> 00:39:01,919
Speaker 3: the cure, which includes an array of dos and don't

749
00:39:02,000 --> 00:39:05,520
Speaker 3: spread over four stages, requires the subject to limit him

750
00:39:05,640 --> 00:39:09,120
Speaker 3: or herself to five hundred calories per day for a period,

751
00:39:09,719 --> 00:39:13,480
Speaker 3: walk for an hour a day, receive regular liver, parasite,

752
00:39:13,520 --> 00:39:17,239
Speaker 3: heavy metal, and colon cleanses, and take daily doses of

753
00:39:17,560 --> 00:39:22,800
Speaker 3: coral calcium. He or she is also advised to avoid

754
00:39:22,840 --> 00:39:27,959
Speaker 3: air conditioning and fluorescent lighting, microwaved food, over the counter medications,

755
00:39:28,160 --> 00:39:33,440
Speaker 3: prescription medications, fast food, and food from national chains. Most important,

756
00:39:33,760 --> 00:39:42,400
Speaker 3: this subject must receive regular injections of human choreonic GONADOTROPINADA tropes.

757
00:39:42,480 --> 00:39:44,840
Speaker 2: But also this is basically all the stuff RFK is

758
00:39:44,960 --> 00:39:46,040
Speaker 2: literally selling now.

759
00:39:45,960 --> 00:39:49,960
Speaker 3: Yeah, totally pushing hCG. So that's a hormone found in

760
00:39:49,960 --> 00:39:55,359
Speaker 3: the human placenta. hCG is essential to Simeon's protocol, though

761
00:39:55,360 --> 00:39:57,480
Speaker 3: in the US it can be taken only with a prescription.

762
00:39:58,040 --> 00:40:01,120
Speaker 3: So this one the ft he could not ignore or

763
00:40:01,200 --> 00:40:01,440
Speaker 3: let me.

764
00:40:01,719 --> 00:40:02,520
Speaker 2: I really cannot know.

765
00:40:03,040 --> 00:40:06,040
Speaker 3: So, along with the US Attorney's Office, they determined that

766
00:40:06,080 --> 00:40:10,120
Speaker 3: the infomercials for the Weight Loss Cure were totally misrepresenting

767
00:40:10,200 --> 00:40:13,839
Speaker 3: what was in the actual book. So the infomercials said

768
00:40:13,840 --> 00:40:16,279
Speaker 3: that quote, the protocol can be completed at home and

769
00:40:16,320 --> 00:40:18,040
Speaker 3: you don't have to go to a clinic to do it,

770
00:40:18,400 --> 00:40:20,800
Speaker 3: but that's not what the book says. In the book,

771
00:40:20,880 --> 00:40:22,719
Speaker 3: Kevin tells the reader that you have to get your

772
00:40:22,719 --> 00:40:26,400
Speaker 3: injections from your doctor, and you can't do your own colonics.

773
00:40:26,400 --> 00:40:27,520
Speaker 3: You have to go to a pro for that.

774
00:40:27,719 --> 00:40:29,520
Speaker 2: Sure, you really shouldn't put the hose up your own.

775
00:40:29,960 --> 00:40:33,080
Speaker 3: And while the book was very specific about hCG, the

776
00:40:33,160 --> 00:40:37,280
Speaker 3: infomercials just talked about quote a miracle, all natural substance

777
00:40:37,280 --> 00:40:41,680
Speaker 3: that you can get anywhere. So yeah, whatever, Kevin. He

778
00:40:41,800 --> 00:40:44,320
Speaker 3: sold more than an eight hundred and fifty thousand copies

779
00:40:44,320 --> 00:40:46,320
Speaker 3: of the book and he made around thirty nine million

780
00:40:46,400 --> 00:40:47,319
Speaker 3: dollars off of it.

781
00:40:47,400 --> 00:40:48,200
Speaker 2: Are you kidding?

782
00:40:48,239 --> 00:40:49,280
Speaker 3: We're in the wrong business.

783
00:40:49,320 --> 00:40:51,920
Speaker 2: I was thinking the exact same thing. Why do we

784
00:40:51,960 --> 00:40:52,799
Speaker 2: have morals? Like?

785
00:40:52,880 --> 00:40:57,560
Speaker 3: Why holding us back? Holding us back? A court order?

786
00:40:57,640 --> 00:41:00,600
Speaker 2: Was it like people, Elizabeth, That's what's told goes back

787
00:41:01,000 --> 00:41:03,880
Speaker 2: this whole like, oh, I want entertain people, I respect people,

788
00:41:03,960 --> 00:41:05,840
Speaker 2: and like we should be just raking stuff.

789
00:41:06,040 --> 00:41:11,080
Speaker 3: We should It would be as much.

790
00:41:11,560 --> 00:41:13,680
Speaker 2: It's like rolling a ball down hill but into a

791
00:41:13,719 --> 00:41:14,560
Speaker 2: pile of money.

792
00:41:14,840 --> 00:41:19,279
Speaker 3: Oh man, it's just not the cards for us. So

793
00:41:19,320 --> 00:41:22,560
Speaker 3: he gets this court order forbidding him from running the infomercials.

794
00:41:22,920 --> 00:41:27,000
Speaker 3: He's undeterred. In a year's time, he ran the infomercials

795
00:41:27,200 --> 00:41:31,600
Speaker 3: thirty two thousand times. And these are real corkers, The

796
00:41:31,680 --> 00:41:35,960
Speaker 3: Chicago Tribune wrote, quote Trudeau described being virtually immune to

797
00:41:36,040 --> 00:41:40,000
Speaker 3: weight gain despite a diet that he said includes prime rib, gravy, butter,

798
00:41:40,280 --> 00:41:44,360
Speaker 3: hot fudge, Sundays, wine and beer. No hunger, no deprivation,

799
00:41:44,520 --> 00:41:47,200
Speaker 3: no exercise, Trudeau says in the ad, I can eat

800
00:41:47,239 --> 00:41:50,239
Speaker 3: whatever I want now anything and as much as I want,

801
00:41:50,320 --> 00:41:55,400
Speaker 3: anytime I want, no restrictions now. So. In two thousand

802
00:41:55,400 --> 00:41:58,600
Speaker 3: and seven, he was finally found in contempt of his

803
00:41:58,719 --> 00:42:01,759
Speaker 3: TV ban, and the next year a federal judge banned

804
00:42:01,800 --> 00:42:04,520
Speaker 3: him again from infomercials in which he had an interest,

805
00:42:05,040 --> 00:42:07,839
Speaker 3: and that was to last for three years. He also

806
00:42:07,960 --> 00:42:10,880
Speaker 3: had to pay back thirty seven points six million dollars

807
00:42:10,880 --> 00:42:14,880
Speaker 3: to consumers for misrepresenting the contents of his book, and

808
00:42:14,920 --> 00:42:17,160
Speaker 3: there was a receiver appointed and they were able to

809
00:42:17,200 --> 00:42:19,040
Speaker 3: find some of the money, but not all of it, like,

810
00:42:19,120 --> 00:42:22,000
Speaker 3: not even close. In twenty thirteen, he was held into

811
00:42:22,000 --> 00:42:25,520
Speaker 3: contempt for never paying the thirty seven point six million

812
00:42:25,560 --> 00:42:28,920
Speaker 3: that he owed, so a judge froze's assets, including a pen.

813
00:42:29,600 --> 00:42:32,239
Speaker 2: Somebody has a reasonable move instead of it's like, come on,

814
00:42:32,400 --> 00:42:33,719
Speaker 2: don't do this, caveat.

815
00:42:33,600 --> 00:42:37,040
Speaker 3: Right, So they got his businesses offshore accounts. The judge

816
00:42:37,080 --> 00:42:40,560
Speaker 3: wrote that he has seen quote evidence that Trudeau is

817
00:42:40,640 --> 00:42:43,359
Speaker 3: living much more like a prince than the pauper he

818
00:42:43,440 --> 00:42:47,200
Speaker 3: professes to be. Like, ooh, do tell well, he used

819
00:42:47,200 --> 00:42:50,160
Speaker 3: to he used high price lawyers. He drove a three

820
00:42:50,239 --> 00:42:53,800
Speaker 3: hundred and forty thousand dollars Bentley. He had two personal

821
00:42:53,880 --> 00:42:58,440
Speaker 3: chefs and a butler. Yeah, according to the Chicago Tribune quote.

822
00:42:58,520 --> 00:43:01,600
Speaker 3: The government also found that he'd recently spent eight hundred

823
00:43:01,600 --> 00:43:03,960
Speaker 3: and ninety four dollars and thirty cents on a single

824
00:43:04,040 --> 00:43:07,520
Speaker 3: visit to a liquor store, seven hundred and eighty dollars

825
00:43:07,520 --> 00:43:10,000
Speaker 3: and forty eight cents in two trips to whole foods,

826
00:43:10,000 --> 00:43:12,560
Speaker 3: which I'm like, well I could, Yeah, you do, three

827
00:43:12,680 --> 00:43:15,880
Speaker 3: hundred and fifty nine dollars for two haircuts at Vidal Sassoon,

828
00:43:16,719 --> 00:43:20,000
Speaker 3: one fifty seven dollars and eighty eight cents on high

829
00:43:20,120 --> 00:43:24,600
Speaker 3: end meat products at Grasslandbeef dot com. And nine hundred

830
00:43:24,640 --> 00:43:28,239
Speaker 3: twenty dollars and eighty six cents on cigars. Trudeau told

831
00:43:28,239 --> 00:43:30,160
Speaker 3: the judge he was forced to use the bank accounts

832
00:43:30,200 --> 00:43:32,600
Speaker 3: the court had frozen because quote, I had no money

833
00:43:32,640 --> 00:43:36,160
Speaker 3: for food, adding that he wanted to comply. Who wanted

834
00:43:36,200 --> 00:43:39,120
Speaker 3: to comply with the course orders? And quote wasn't thinking

835
00:43:39,200 --> 00:43:42,160
Speaker 3: when he mistakenly got the pricey Haircutsops.

836
00:43:42,640 --> 00:43:44,719
Speaker 2: I don't know what I was thinking. It's the only

837
00:43:44,760 --> 00:43:45,520
Speaker 2: hairplace I know.

838
00:43:45,880 --> 00:43:48,120
Speaker 3: I know, this is just I get in this habit.

839
00:43:48,280 --> 00:43:50,000
Speaker 3: You know, you get in your car and you forget

840
00:43:50,000 --> 00:43:53,960
Speaker 3: where you're driving. You started driving exactly. So no one

841
00:43:54,000 --> 00:43:56,360
Speaker 3: really knew how much money he'd made at this point,

842
00:43:56,440 --> 00:43:58,920
Speaker 3: Like he told people, who's worth north of two hundred million,

843
00:43:59,440 --> 00:44:01,880
Speaker 3: and that to be a low ball estimate. Since it

844
00:44:01,920 --> 00:44:04,160
Speaker 3: looked like he was taking home twenty percent of sales

845
00:44:04,200 --> 00:44:07,799
Speaker 3: revenue for everything, A lot of analysts suspect he was

846
00:44:07,840 --> 00:44:12,000
Speaker 3: a billionaire, which is wild. We do know that between

847
00:44:12,080 --> 00:44:16,120
Speaker 3: nineteen ninety nine and twenty thirteen he pulled in more

848
00:44:16,160 --> 00:44:19,440
Speaker 3: than five hundred million in revenue, and the government wanted

849
00:44:19,480 --> 00:44:21,080
Speaker 3: its hands on this loop.

850
00:44:21,120 --> 00:44:22,799
Speaker 2: And also he could be taking some of this money

851
00:44:22,800 --> 00:44:26,400
Speaker 2: and putting it into like legitimate things like apartment complexes

852
00:44:26,600 --> 00:44:27,719
Speaker 2: and reaping money that way.

853
00:44:27,840 --> 00:44:31,919
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, all those investments Kevin, he's determined to keep

854
00:44:31,960 --> 00:44:35,920
Speaker 3: the government away. Business insider wrote, quote, A good bit

855
00:44:35,960 --> 00:44:38,759
Speaker 3: of that money five million dollars went to pay a

856
00:44:38,840 --> 00:44:43,000
Speaker 3: specialist in asset protection, Mark Lane, who court record show

857
00:44:43,080 --> 00:44:45,800
Speaker 3: helped him set up more than two dozen business entities

858
00:44:45,800 --> 00:44:51,240
Speaker 3: in Belize, Nevis, Switzerland, Hong Kong, Mauritius, the Isle of Man, Panama,

859
00:44:51,320 --> 00:44:54,120
Speaker 3: the Cook Islands, and the Seychelles, places where money can

860
00:44:54,160 --> 00:44:56,360
Speaker 3: be squirreled away beyond the reach of the US guy.

861
00:44:56,360 --> 00:44:58,239
Speaker 2: He's been down the list of where you had money.

862
00:44:58,280 --> 00:45:00,719
Speaker 2: Really the checklist, there's like the Panama papers. He's like,

863
00:45:00,760 --> 00:45:02,000
Speaker 2: here's where all the money goes.

864
00:45:02,160 --> 00:45:04,239
Speaker 3: Yeah, Well, then he started moving stuff around. One of

865
00:45:04,280 --> 00:45:08,400
Speaker 3: his company's Natural Cures Holdings was sold to a former

866
00:45:08,440 --> 00:45:11,760
Speaker 3: business associate for one hundred thousand dollars to hide that asset.

867
00:45:12,280 --> 00:45:16,520
Speaker 3: Other companies were transferred to his wife, Natasha Babanko. She

868
00:45:16,600 --> 00:45:20,200
Speaker 3: had nothing to do with the businesses at all. Kevin

869
00:45:20,360 --> 00:45:22,840
Speaker 3: was not good at covering his tracks and all this.

870
00:45:23,400 --> 00:45:25,120
Speaker 2: Is because of arrogance or just like.

871
00:45:25,080 --> 00:45:27,239
Speaker 3: I think it's yeah, a little bit of arrogance and just.

872
00:45:27,200 --> 00:45:29,560
Speaker 2: Think going to do he keeps getting like cop and

873
00:45:29,640 --> 00:45:30,560
Speaker 2: not really caught.

874
00:45:30,760 --> 00:45:33,719
Speaker 3: He puts some of his plans in writing. He sent

875
00:45:33,800 --> 00:45:36,360
Speaker 3: emails to business associates with like how is all going

876
00:45:36,440 --> 00:45:36,919
Speaker 3: to go down?

877
00:45:37,160 --> 00:45:37,680
Speaker 2: Always smart?

878
00:45:38,000 --> 00:45:40,640
Speaker 3: Quote gi N must get money out of the USA

879
00:45:40,760 --> 00:45:44,959
Speaker 3: and into banks overseas. Uh so you know he's little

880
00:45:45,000 --> 00:45:46,400
Speaker 3: operation bringing in millions.

881
00:45:46,160 --> 00:45:47,840
Speaker 2: Of money, still doing magic tricks apparently.

882
00:45:48,239 --> 00:45:51,280
Speaker 3: Quote never keep more money in the USA than needed.

883
00:45:51,400 --> 00:45:56,719
Speaker 3: Every company needs all caps accounts offshore all caps. And

884
00:45:56,760 --> 00:46:01,040
Speaker 3: then like a dozen exclamation points, he washed my casinos,

885
00:46:01,640 --> 00:46:04,200
Speaker 3: like doing the cash for chips for cash thing. He

886
00:46:04,239 --> 00:46:07,640
Speaker 3: bought gold bars when the government asked, He's like, dude,

887
00:46:07,640 --> 00:46:10,120
Speaker 3: I'm broke. All I have is a couple of suitcases

888
00:46:10,160 --> 00:46:13,200
Speaker 3: of clothes. That's it. And he said pretty much every

889
00:46:13,239 --> 00:46:17,239
Speaker 3: other thing like money, trinkets, gifts, any random items were

890
00:46:17,239 --> 00:46:19,279
Speaker 3: sold off for cash by the receiver.

891
00:46:19,280 --> 00:46:21,160
Speaker 2: And just keeping the money off shore so where the

892
00:46:21,239 --> 00:46:23,400
Speaker 2: US government can't get to it or track it.

893
00:46:23,560 --> 00:46:26,720
Speaker 3: Yeah. And in twenty thirteen, the court appointed receiver finally

894
00:46:26,760 --> 00:46:29,799
Speaker 3: got their hands on GIL and it was eventually sold

895
00:46:29,840 --> 00:46:32,440
Speaker 3: off to a bunch of Kevin's former associates for two

896
00:46:32,520 --> 00:46:35,520
Speaker 3: hundred thousand dollars plush a portion of the membership fees.

897
00:46:35,719 --> 00:46:36,520
Speaker 2: They can make it illegitition.

898
00:46:36,600 --> 00:46:41,160
Speaker 3: It still exists today. There's a website. It's amazing. It

899
00:46:41,200 --> 00:46:44,000
Speaker 3: explains that there are twelve membership levels, and there's a

900
00:46:44,120 --> 00:46:46,759
Speaker 3: chart that tells you how much the membership fees are

901
00:46:46,840 --> 00:46:50,200
Speaker 3: for each level, like almost so, for level one, the

902
00:46:50,200 --> 00:46:53,400
Speaker 3: initiation fee is fifteen hundred dollars and monthly dues are

903
00:46:53,440 --> 00:46:57,840
Speaker 3: one hundred and fifty bucks. The benefits column says that

904
00:46:57,920 --> 00:47:01,120
Speaker 3: this level gets access to the level membership sections of

905
00:47:01,160 --> 00:47:05,400
Speaker 3: the GIN website and access to all GIN events with

906
00:47:05,640 --> 00:47:08,320
Speaker 3: ticket purchase, So they let you into something that you

907
00:47:08,400 --> 00:47:12,480
Speaker 3: buy tickets for. Got it the world's worst gym membership.

908
00:47:12,719 --> 00:47:16,239
Speaker 3: The cash, Bonuses, perks reward column on the chart for

909
00:47:16,320 --> 00:47:22,280
Speaker 3: level one simply reads classified yeah, which is what every

910
00:47:22,440 --> 00:47:24,520
Speaker 3: cell in the rest of the chart reads for all

911
00:47:24,520 --> 00:47:30,320
Speaker 3: the other levels classified darn. So what are the events?

912
00:47:30,080 --> 00:47:30,759
Speaker 2: Elizabeth?

913
00:47:30,920 --> 00:47:35,080
Speaker 3: Four major weekend events each year, including an annual five

914
00:47:35,160 --> 00:47:40,239
Speaker 3: night luxury Caribbean cruise always always, four one day seminars

915
00:47:40,280 --> 00:47:47,440
Speaker 3: and awards, rallies every year, Workshops, webinars, expos quote mastering

916
00:47:47,480 --> 00:47:50,120
Speaker 3: the success mastery course events.

917
00:47:50,480 --> 00:47:53,560
Speaker 2: This is so the Amway Timeshare community.

918
00:47:54,239 --> 00:47:59,880
Speaker 3: They have GIN Adventures, local chapter meetings, symposium, global convention

919
00:48:01,239 --> 00:48:03,719
Speaker 3: they made in hotels all over the world. So they

920
00:48:03,760 --> 00:48:06,680
Speaker 3: claim five star resorts, lots of like Fairmount and four

921
00:48:06,719 --> 00:48:10,520
Speaker 3: seasons properties, as well as Trump, Dorrel and Florida. That's

922
00:48:10,520 --> 00:48:13,640
Speaker 3: a seal equality. The website says that they are also

923
00:48:13,680 --> 00:48:16,640
Speaker 3: in the process of establishing clubhouses all over the world,

924
00:48:17,320 --> 00:48:19,879
Speaker 3: even buying a cruise ship. I have no idea how

925
00:48:19,880 --> 00:48:22,200
Speaker 3: anyone with two brain cells to rub together would look

926
00:48:22,200 --> 00:48:23,680
Speaker 3: at this and think it's on the up and up.

927
00:48:23,719 --> 00:48:25,160
Speaker 2: But what do I know to tell you about the

928
00:48:25,160 --> 00:48:25,600
Speaker 2: stay of the world.

929
00:48:26,040 --> 00:48:29,120
Speaker 3: I know, so back to Kevin. Twenty fourteen, Kevin was

930
00:48:29,160 --> 00:48:32,480
Speaker 3: sentenced to ten years for quote contempt for violating a

931
00:48:32,520 --> 00:48:36,120
Speaker 3: two thousand and four court order that prohibited him from

932
00:48:36,160 --> 00:48:39,640
Speaker 3: making deceptive television commercials that misrepresented the contents of his

933
00:48:39,680 --> 00:48:42,160
Speaker 3: weight loss cure book. You know who is inside with

934
00:48:42,239 --> 00:48:43,240
Speaker 3: him in the clink.

935
00:48:44,160 --> 00:48:45,440
Speaker 2: Bernie Madoff no.

936
00:48:45,560 --> 00:48:50,920
Speaker 3: Close, former Illinois Congressman, Jesse Jackson Junior, a bunch of mayors,

937
00:48:51,040 --> 00:48:55,880
Speaker 3: and Jeffrey Skilling, former CEO of enron It's White Collar

938
00:48:55,960 --> 00:48:59,480
Speaker 3: Cooks Central epou So. November of twenty twenty two, he

939
00:48:59,480 --> 00:49:02,640
Speaker 3: got out of prison. He still owes the government money.

940
00:49:03,640 --> 00:49:06,759
Speaker 3: FTC lawyers say there's still thirty million dollars unaccounted for.

941
00:49:06,960 --> 00:49:09,080
Speaker 3: Do you remember his wife, Natasha.

942
00:49:08,680 --> 00:49:10,960
Speaker 2: But bank Bank Oh yeah, hell yeah, she's.

943
00:49:10,760 --> 00:49:11,560
Speaker 3: Now his ex wife.

944
00:49:11,800 --> 00:49:12,120
Speaker 2: I guess.

945
00:49:12,480 --> 00:49:16,239
Speaker 3: She voluntarily handed over documents to the FTC that she

946
00:49:16,440 --> 00:49:19,480
Speaker 3: took from their mansion outside of Chicago and from their

947
00:49:19,520 --> 00:49:20,960
Speaker 3: place in Zurich, Switzerland.

948
00:49:20,960 --> 00:49:22,239
Speaker 2: She's like, what can I keep if I gave you

949
00:49:22,239 --> 00:49:22,880
Speaker 2: this paperwork?

950
00:49:23,120 --> 00:49:25,799
Speaker 3: She said that these revealed the location of all of

951
00:49:25,800 --> 00:49:27,120
Speaker 3: his overseas assets.

952
00:49:27,200 --> 00:49:27,960
Speaker 2: Oh snaw.

953
00:49:28,040 --> 00:49:30,600
Speaker 3: And she told the FTC lawyers that the Zurich house

954
00:49:30,680 --> 00:49:33,200
Speaker 3: was full of all these like jewels and gold bars.

955
00:49:33,640 --> 00:49:38,080
Speaker 3: Kevin was like, oh, that's all Natasha's. Natasha said that

956
00:49:38,160 --> 00:49:40,680
Speaker 3: some of it was in safe deposit boxes in her name,

957
00:49:40,680 --> 00:49:42,399
Speaker 3: but she's not the one who put it all in there.

958
00:49:43,120 --> 00:49:45,880
Speaker 3: The Chicago Sutimes. Yeah, totally.

959
00:49:46,239 --> 00:49:49,359
Speaker 2: I know she's cooperating. It seems like she's totally trying

960
00:49:49,360 --> 00:49:51,040
Speaker 2: to get free of this mass while still holding what

961
00:49:51,080 --> 00:49:51,359
Speaker 2: she can.

962
00:49:51,480 --> 00:49:54,719
Speaker 3: Yeah. The Chicago Sun Times reported quote the first time

963
00:49:54,800 --> 00:49:57,239
Speaker 3: she had ever seen a gold bar, but Banko said

964
00:49:57,640 --> 00:50:00,759
Speaker 3: was when a TSA agent search Trudeau's carry on bag

965
00:50:00,800 --> 00:50:04,680
Speaker 3: at O'Hare airport pulled out gold bar In the years

966
00:50:04,680 --> 00:50:07,440
Speaker 3: that followed, she saw Trudeau handling them often at their

967
00:50:07,440 --> 00:50:09,799
Speaker 3: home in oak Brook, and once saw him put a

968
00:50:09,840 --> 00:50:12,040
Speaker 3: box of gold bars into a duffel bag before a

969
00:50:12,040 --> 00:50:15,560
Speaker 3: spur of the moment trip to Guatemala a box of them. Yeah.

970
00:50:15,600 --> 00:50:17,920
Speaker 3: I would see gold bars next to the jewelry, see

971
00:50:18,000 --> 00:50:20,000
Speaker 3: him taking them in and out of the safe. She said.

972
00:50:20,320 --> 00:50:22,279
Speaker 3: It was a very common thing to see, like him

973
00:50:22,320 --> 00:50:23,759
Speaker 3: smoking a cigar every day.

974
00:50:25,920 --> 00:50:28,120
Speaker 2: To touch gold. Yeah, some people touch grass. He touched

975
00:50:28,120 --> 00:50:28,880
Speaker 2: the gold.

976
00:50:29,080 --> 00:50:31,279
Speaker 3: In January of twenty twenty three. He was found in

977
00:50:31,320 --> 00:50:34,120
Speaker 3: contempt for failing to report to court in the spring

978
00:50:34,200 --> 00:50:36,920
Speaker 3: of twenty two after he ended his time in a

979
00:50:36,960 --> 00:50:40,480
Speaker 3: half way house after he did eight years inside. He

980
00:50:40,560 --> 00:50:42,640
Speaker 3: managed to not get sent back inside for that one,

981
00:50:42,680 --> 00:50:47,880
Speaker 3: though sometimes reported that as of twenty twenty three, quote

982
00:50:48,040 --> 00:50:51,200
Speaker 3: from the few million dollars in assets identified by the receiver,

983
00:50:51,560 --> 00:50:54,840
Speaker 3: the FTC has twice made payouts to around six hundred

984
00:50:54,880 --> 00:50:57,680
Speaker 3: thousand people who bought copies of Trudeau's books, but the

985
00:50:57,760 --> 00:50:59,640
Speaker 3: checks totaled around twenty five dollars.

986
00:51:00,239 --> 00:51:01,200
Speaker 2: They basically got the price of the.

987
00:51:01,680 --> 00:51:04,000
Speaker 3: They got a refund. It's a pittance, you know, who

988
00:51:04,160 --> 00:51:09,120
Speaker 3: wasn't living on a pittance. Kevin Elizabeth Fox thirty two

989
00:51:09,239 --> 00:51:14,040
Speaker 3: Chicago reported that quote, the Kevin Trudeau fan club, founded

990
00:51:14,080 --> 00:51:18,360
Speaker 3: by devoted followers to route money into Trudeau's commissary account

991
00:51:18,360 --> 00:51:21,280
Speaker 3: while he was serving a federal prison sentence for making

992
00:51:21,320 --> 00:51:26,560
Speaker 3: fraudulent claims and infomercials, has raised approximately three million dollars

993
00:51:26,760 --> 00:51:32,920
Speaker 3: his fan club fan Club for prison commissary. How much

994
00:51:33,000 --> 00:51:36,479
Speaker 3: ram he's a political prisoner? Yeah? Quote. Of the three

995
00:51:36,520 --> 00:51:39,240
Speaker 3: million raised, only a little more than a million dollars

996
00:51:39,280 --> 00:51:43,000
Speaker 3: has gone to pay the FTC commissioned Lawyer Jonathan Cohen

997
00:51:43,040 --> 00:51:46,600
Speaker 3: noted while Trudeau has directed the fan club manager to

998
00:51:46,680 --> 00:51:50,640
Speaker 3: make seven five hundred dollars payments to quote volunteers who

999
00:51:50,640 --> 00:51:53,680
Speaker 3: helped maintain his website, and also to a woman Cohen

1000
00:51:53,719 --> 00:51:57,439
Speaker 3: identified as Trudeau's girlfriend. Cohen also noted that the fan

1001
00:51:57,520 --> 00:52:01,480
Speaker 3: club website until recently, was selling a Tesla device with

1002
00:52:01,600 --> 00:52:04,480
Speaker 3: claims that it would lower blood pressure and blood sugar,

1003
00:52:04,719 --> 00:52:09,320
Speaker 3: reduce inflammation, and increase circulation, all health benefits. Trudeau himself

1004
00:52:09,400 --> 00:52:12,360
Speaker 3: is barred by the court from promoting the club counted

1005
00:52:12,400 --> 00:52:16,000
Speaker 3: several donors who made multiple five figure gifts.

1006
00:52:15,880 --> 00:52:19,600
Speaker 2: Five figure lizard, why are we cursed with morals. No,

1007
00:52:19,800 --> 00:52:22,200
Speaker 2: there are so many suckers out there, apparently.

1008
00:52:21,920 --> 00:52:25,400
Speaker 3: See Kevin, you know, can't stop, won't stop. Kevin also

1009
00:52:25,640 --> 00:52:28,640
Speaker 3: makes sense meet by putting together speaking gigs, and he

1010
00:52:28,719 --> 00:52:32,839
Speaker 3: got a job. He was hired as a salaried employee

1011
00:52:33,160 --> 00:52:39,960
Speaker 3: of the Global Information Network hired. What's your ridiculous takeaway that.

1012
00:52:39,840 --> 00:52:43,839
Speaker 2: There are still after all of this people giving him

1013
00:52:43,920 --> 00:52:50,600
Speaker 2: five figure like donations. Like I you know that I

1014
00:52:50,760 --> 00:52:54,359
Speaker 2: was raised with the idea that likely not really good.

1015
00:52:54,360 --> 00:52:56,319
Speaker 2: It's not like my dad's celebrated con men, but he

1016
00:52:56,360 --> 00:52:59,640
Speaker 2: basically glorified him, but he really was amused by them

1017
00:52:59,680 --> 00:53:02,000
Speaker 2: and love the story. So I learned a lot about

1018
00:53:02,280 --> 00:53:05,440
Speaker 2: the criminals of the world, you know, the Italian gangsters,

1019
00:53:05,560 --> 00:53:09,040
Speaker 2: con men of America's history. But you'd always would telling me,

1020
00:53:09,120 --> 00:53:10,960
Speaker 2: like you know the whole like WC. Fields, which I've

1021
00:53:11,000 --> 00:53:12,960
Speaker 2: quoted before, and never give a sucker and even break.

1022
00:53:13,280 --> 00:53:17,520
Speaker 2: But I and it bothers me that I just cannot,

1023
00:53:17,760 --> 00:53:20,799
Speaker 2: as I keep joking, profit off this awareness. But there

1024
00:53:20,800 --> 00:53:23,360
Speaker 2: are so many suckers and they have so much money,

1025
00:53:23,800 --> 00:53:26,680
Speaker 2: Like how do they have this money other than like inheritance?

1026
00:53:26,920 --> 00:53:29,319
Speaker 2: How do they have this? Like how are you going

1027
00:53:29,320 --> 00:53:31,680
Speaker 2: through the world and how are not like apparently there's

1028
00:53:31,680 --> 00:53:33,839
Speaker 2: just not enough condon people out there who are like

1029
00:53:34,400 --> 00:53:36,640
Speaker 2: vacuuming up funds from these people that they are able

1030
00:53:36,640 --> 00:53:37,759
Speaker 2: to get so far in life.

1031
00:53:37,960 --> 00:53:41,239
Speaker 3: I think a lot of amazing is, you know. I

1032
00:53:41,280 --> 00:53:43,840
Speaker 3: think a lot of it is that people have some

1033
00:53:44,040 --> 00:53:46,160
Speaker 3: money and they spend it on things like this, on

1034
00:53:46,239 --> 00:53:47,839
Speaker 3: like a hope and a dream that it will get

1035
00:53:47,840 --> 00:53:51,040
Speaker 3: them more and other things go on to then credit

1036
00:53:51,320 --> 00:53:53,920
Speaker 3: and then that's when you see them declaring bankruptcy.

1037
00:53:54,080 --> 00:53:56,160
Speaker 2: I definitely feel bad for these people as victims of them.

1038
00:53:56,360 --> 00:53:58,160
Speaker 2: I don't want to say hubrists, because it's not that,

1039
00:53:58,200 --> 00:54:01,000
Speaker 2: but like their lack of self regard that they can

1040
00:54:01,040 --> 00:54:03,239
Speaker 2: think that somebody like Kevin is going to actually look

1041
00:54:03,239 --> 00:54:05,440
Speaker 2: out for them and give them the inside scoop on

1042
00:54:05,520 --> 00:54:08,279
Speaker 2: something about their health or how to be the person

1043
00:54:08,320 --> 00:54:11,000
Speaker 2: they've always wanted to be. I ultimately I feel very

1044
00:54:11,040 --> 00:54:14,719
Speaker 2: bad for them, but I'm astounded that they have so

1045
00:54:14,880 --> 00:54:16,680
Speaker 2: much when I know a lot of really competent people

1046
00:54:16,680 --> 00:54:17,399
Speaker 2: who have so little.

1047
00:54:17,400 --> 00:54:19,520
Speaker 3: And I'm always like, but I think too that this

1048
00:54:19,680 --> 00:54:24,480
Speaker 3: highlights the sort of the curse of critical thinking, is

1049
00:54:24,480 --> 00:54:28,000
Speaker 3: that it so often leads to disappointment that when you

1050
00:54:28,040 --> 00:54:31,200
Speaker 3: hear something and you read it or see it and

1051
00:54:31,239 --> 00:54:33,680
Speaker 3: then you think, is this true and you look it

1052
00:54:33,760 --> 00:54:36,000
Speaker 3: up and of course it's not. Well, there's the disappointment

1053
00:54:36,040 --> 00:54:39,120
Speaker 3: that this magic cure isn't out there, or you know,

1054
00:54:39,200 --> 00:54:43,080
Speaker 3: they're they always talk about, you know, this ancient cure

1055
00:54:43,239 --> 00:54:44,879
Speaker 3: that no one recognizes.

1056
00:54:44,960 --> 00:54:46,160
Speaker 2: Yeah they're ancient or brand new.

1057
00:54:46,280 --> 00:54:49,440
Speaker 3: Yeah, and it's like, well, no, that's time science works.

1058
00:54:49,440 --> 00:54:51,760
Speaker 3: And you know, there's a reason why we don't do these.

1059
00:54:51,640 --> 00:54:52,640
Speaker 2: Things not peer reviewed.

1060
00:54:52,840 --> 00:54:55,160
Speaker 3: But it's disappointing because you want to have the key

1061
00:54:55,200 --> 00:54:59,279
Speaker 3: that opens something up, or even if it's something of outrage.

1062
00:54:59,360 --> 00:55:03,839
Speaker 3: You know, I have friends who forward me things on Instagram, uh,

1063
00:55:04,320 --> 00:55:06,920
Speaker 3: the little reels or whatever is, and it's some like

1064
00:55:07,080 --> 00:55:09,359
Speaker 3: it's gonna get you all mad because they'll say that,

1065
00:55:09,440 --> 00:55:12,680
Speaker 3: you know, some program has been implemented or whatever. Sure,

1066
00:55:12,880 --> 00:55:14,759
Speaker 3: and it doesn't sound quite right. And when you go

1067
00:55:14,840 --> 00:55:17,879
Speaker 3: and actually look it up, your critical thinking skills take

1068
00:55:17,880 --> 00:55:19,080
Speaker 3: the wind out of the sales.

1069
00:55:20,560 --> 00:55:22,719
Speaker 2: And that's the other things. There's so many scams these days.

1070
00:55:22,719 --> 00:55:24,600
Speaker 2: How many people. I don't know how people still have

1071
00:55:24,680 --> 00:55:27,760
Speaker 2: money with all the scams. Honestly, even legitimate companies basically

1072
00:55:27,760 --> 00:55:29,880
Speaker 2: scam you where it's like, yeah, you get give them

1073
00:55:29,880 --> 00:55:31,319
Speaker 2: your email, and all of a sudden they're like not

1074
00:55:31,480 --> 00:55:33,640
Speaker 2: lying to you, but essentially lying to you about what

1075
00:55:33,719 --> 00:55:35,160
Speaker 2: is available, what you can do and then you can

1076
00:55:35,160 --> 00:55:37,160
Speaker 2: involve you like you find out you can't or like

1077
00:55:37,480 --> 00:55:40,320
Speaker 2: unsubscribing as difficult, like everything is just so scamming.

1078
00:55:40,400 --> 00:55:42,520
Speaker 3: Things that you would normally buy and be won and

1079
00:55:42,560 --> 00:55:43,920
Speaker 3: done become a subscription.

1080
00:55:44,040 --> 00:55:44,560
Speaker 2: Oh got it.

1081
00:55:44,600 --> 00:55:46,400
Speaker 3: Don't get me started, Like you know, the brakes on

1082
00:55:46,440 --> 00:55:47,000
Speaker 3: your car.

1083
00:55:49,160 --> 00:55:51,840
Speaker 2: Anyway, Yeah, what's your ridiculous takeaway, Lizabeth?

1084
00:55:52,440 --> 00:55:54,680
Speaker 3: The scamming? Like I just I see these things and

1085
00:55:54,719 --> 00:55:58,000
Speaker 3: I'm just blown away that people aren't automatically reading it

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Speaker 3: as an absolute scam, and especially a lot of the

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Speaker 3: health stuff.

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Speaker 2: Totally, and it has become more popular. You think people

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Speaker 2: like you get the idea like, oh, I should be

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Speaker 2: a little wary because there's so much and I've heard

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Speaker 2: for so many years now about so many stories. But

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Speaker 2: that's not the case. They're like, no, no, this is the one.

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Speaker 3: Well, and the thing is is that the disappointment of

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Speaker 3: critical thinking and all of this is that all of

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Speaker 3: his claims are that no, it's not easy, that there

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Speaker 3: are things that you have that are hard to do

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Speaker 3: health wise, there are also things that are inevitable. Yeah,

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Speaker 3: so that's my takeaway. That's my takeaway. I need to

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Speaker 3: talk back.

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Speaker 2: Oh my god, I went.

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Speaker 3: Cheat why Saron and Elizabeth?

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Speaker 4: This this chance from Colorado And I'm currently listening to

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Speaker 4: your Black Panthers Skyjacker to school Teacher episode, and I

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Speaker 4: just wanted to give a heartfelt shout out to everyone

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Speaker 4: that's needed a free breakfast or lunch and your appreciation

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Speaker 4: for the institutions that provide those for us. I was

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Speaker 4: went a hungry school kid, and I understand how hard

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Speaker 4: it is to learn on an empty belly. Appreciate y'all.

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Speaker 3: Hell, yes, we definitely appreciate. Yes, yes, yes, yes, a

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Speaker 3: million times. Yes. It's you know, you think about the

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Speaker 3: basic things that we as human beings have to do

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Speaker 3: for other human beings and caring for them, and like

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Speaker 3: particularly for children, like you're saying, like you can't learn

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Speaker 3: on a hungry belly. Oh yeah, and it makes a

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Speaker 3: world of difference. So think about, you know, putting your

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Speaker 3: support toward that children and adults too.

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Speaker 2: And we've talked about jokingly but in all serious terms,

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Speaker 2: we've talked about like, oh, I want to like go

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Speaker 2: change myself or change the world. Feeding somebody, especially a

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Speaker 2: child is a great place to start to change both

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Speaker 2: yourself and the world in a legitimate way. And it's

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Speaker 2: not very difficult, and not.

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Speaker 3: To put it in demonish it. There's an incredible return

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Speaker 3: on investments.

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Speaker 2: Exactly, you know, and you will feel a lot better

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Speaker 2: about yourself if you important, so if you want to

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Speaker 2: get into selfish terms and also be able to see, oh,

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Speaker 2: look at what I've done all the way around.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, it's a good feeling. That's it for today. You

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Speaker 3: can find us online at ridiculous crime dot com. Did

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Speaker 3: you know they got good news at the website?

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Speaker 2: Wait news?

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Speaker 3: Yeah, the website just got its test results back and

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Speaker 3: it is negative for correctal cancer.

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Speaker 2: That's amazing.

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Speaker 3: They sent their poop in the website.

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Speaker 2: Did it was hard to collect?

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Speaker 3: It was really Yeah. I wasn't there, but apparently, like

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Speaker 3: you go into those.

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