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Speaker 1: Fellow conspiracy realist, We are returning to you with a

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Speaker 1: classic episode that I would say hinges on pop culture,

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Speaker 1: but don't assue it for that reason. One of the

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Speaker 1: most influential, famous living musicians on the planet, Britney Spears,

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Speaker 1: has re entered the news cycle due to an arrest

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Speaker 1: for I believe, driving while intoxicated.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, and there's a lot of stories kind of circling

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Speaker 2: around that particular incident, toxic family members coming back into

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Speaker 2: her life. We talk a lot about that in this

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Speaker 2: episode in terms of the conservatorship and now that was

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Speaker 2: used to take advantage of her, her father in particular,

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Speaker 2: and it was a whole messy bull of spaghetti, as

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Speaker 2: you'll say, Ben. But yeah, she's in the news right

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Speaker 2: now after an arrest for driving under the influence, and

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Speaker 2: apparently that has triggered some reports of folks living with

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Speaker 3: Again putting her in harm's way in terms of abuse.

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Speaker 4: I was just talking about this recently with my partner

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Speaker 4: about Britney Spears, and there was some documentary and I'm

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Speaker 4: not gonna be able to recall it, but because there's

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Speaker 4: been so many made about Britney Spears and her life

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Speaker 4: and everything, that it.

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Speaker 3: Has occurred.

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Speaker 4: To her for her all all of these things, there's

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Speaker 4: one in there that talks about the sexualization of Britney

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Speaker 3: Guys.

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Speaker 4: It was so it's it's a it's around the time

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Speaker 4: of Honey Booboo, right when there are like beauty pageants

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Speaker 4: for children and the sexualization of children that is on

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Speaker 4: mainstream cable television shows. And then somebody like Britney Spears,

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Speaker 4: who was you know, an MTV I don't, I don't

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Speaker 4: know if you'd call it star early on and in

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Speaker 4: this world where the teenagers are being pushed.

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Speaker 2: I mean we talked all about too, the Nickelodeon of

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Speaker 2: And just I was sort of rambling a little bit

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Speaker 3: Basically a lot of people are saying that.

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Speaker 2: She is immediately being demonized and put down because of

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Speaker 2: this dui RS. And it seems like the tone of

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Speaker 2: the discourse around it is almost saying, well, she should

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Speaker 2: have been in that conservativeship. You know she doesn't. She

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Speaker 1: Let's roll the tape from UFOs to psychic powers and

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Speaker 1: government conspiracies. History is riddled with unexplained events. You can

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Speaker 1: turn back now or learn this stuff they don't want

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Speaker 1: you to know.

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Speaker 3: A production of iHeartRadio. Hello, and welcome back to the show.

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Speaker 3: My name is nol.

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Speaker 1: Our compatriot Matt is on adventures, but we'll be returning soon.

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Speaker 1: They called me Ben. We're joined as always with our

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Speaker 1: super producer Ball mission control deck, and most.

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Speaker 3: Importantly, you are you.

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Speaker 1: You are here, and that makes this stuff they don't

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Speaker 1: want you to know today. Maybe the biggest, the biggest

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Speaker 1: thing to start off today's episode with is the following,

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Speaker 1: celebrities are humans. I think maybe we should end with

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Speaker 1: that too. You know, we're in a culture here in

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Speaker 1: the West where we deify celebrities. They are no better

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Speaker 1: and no worse than you listening now. It's like we

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Speaker 1: took those kind of regional or town deities of ancient

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Speaker 1: we put a lot of musicians and actors and stuff,

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Speaker 1: and that means they get more attention than maybe a

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Speaker 1: whether that's somehow a way that society is purposely designed,

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Speaker 1: that's something for another day. The thing is that celebrities

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Speaker 1: don't always have a rosy existence, you know what I mean.

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Speaker 1: This is something you and I have seen before, Noul.

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Speaker 1: All too often society will build up a celebrity and

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Speaker 1: human beings. They deserve the same rights and freedom that

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Speaker 1: you your self deserve and should enjoy. So that's why today

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Speaker 1: we are exploring to question many Many of our fellow listeners,

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Speaker 1: including Shannon s in Savannah, have asked us to cover

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Speaker 1: legend Britney Spears. We're roughly the same age, Nola. Do

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Speaker 1: you remember when Britney Spears hit the airwaves?

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Speaker 3: I guess we're kids, Yeah, I guess. I don't know.

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Speaker 2: I was maybe just coming into my own personal sense

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Speaker 2: that awakening process.

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Speaker 3: Let me tell you, very.

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Speaker 2: Sexually suggestive time, especially with a weird kind of schoolgirl

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Speaker 2: It was very like she's got this baby voice and

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Speaker 2: this mid and it was just a lot to take in.

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Speaker 2: I think we had in sync on the scene a

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Speaker 2: little prior to Brittany. I think maybe she like toured

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Speaker 1: Yeah, it was strange to me because the person's seventeen

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Speaker 1: Yeah, No, I was thinking there's something weirdly, weirdly off

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Speaker 1: about this. Later I learned that the schoolgirl outfit was indeed,

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Speaker 1: spears is own idea. And I love that you mentioned

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Speaker 1: Mickey Mouse because the path to today's conspiracy is it's a

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Speaker 1: long one. There's a walk we got to take. So

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Speaker 1: here are the facts. Britney Spears is born Britney Jean

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Speaker 1: Spears December second, nineteen eighty one, in a town called McComb, Mississippi.

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Speaker 1: Her parents are Lynn Irene Spears and James Spears, better

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Speaker 1: She spent most of her childhood in a town called Kentwood, Louisiana.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, it's interesting too, how like so many people from

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Speaker 3: Not quite sure.

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Speaker 1: Well castrato or real, that's a real thing to happen.

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Speaker 1: I think I think castrado if you want to ruin your.

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Speaker 2: and it's basically forced castration for the purposes of raising

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Speaker 3: But right.

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Speaker 2: She spoke to the Hollywood Reporter in saying that ever

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Speaker 1: Well received by the way, clearly a real Bravado performance.

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Speaker 1: So this let's look at her early rise, some of

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Speaker 1: which you alluded to. So she had, like many people

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Speaker 1: Baby One More Time. She's going on concert tours. She's

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Speaker 1: Here's where it gets crazy. Conservatorship, freedom and control. There's

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Speaker 2: medical code of a person being held essentially against their

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Speaker 2: will or with the permission of someone close to them

437
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Speaker 2: who can vouch for their state.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, she was on a psychiatrical that part is true.

439
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Speaker 1: We just don't have the confirmation that the court said

440
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Speaker 1: literally because of we don't know what they found, you

441
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Speaker 1: know what I mean that led them to that decision.

442
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Speaker 1: But we do know there was a confirmed psychiatric hold

443
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Speaker 1: and there's a lot of money at stake. This is something, Okay,

444
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Speaker 1: this is something is going to be important later. So

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Speaker 1: how much is the Britney Spears conservatorship controlling? It controls

446
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Speaker 1: the Spears estate. So like, how many times did you

447
00:25:59,480 --> 00:26:01,400
Speaker 1: hear hit me baby one more time?

448
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Speaker 3: Right?

449
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Speaker 1: How many times did you watch Crossroads?

450
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Speaker 2: Paul?

451
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Speaker 1: How many times did you watch Crossroads? Paul said five

452
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Speaker 1: hundred times?

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Speaker 2: Oh, well, I was going to say I think I

454
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Speaker 2: probably heard hit me baby one more time, somewhere between

455
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Speaker 2: sixty million and two hundred and fifty million times.

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Speaker 1: So if they had a dollar for every time you

457
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Speaker 1: heard that, just you by yourself, that would be a

458
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Speaker 1: very disturbing. And I find a vague estimate of the

459
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Speaker 1: conservatorship right now. That estate is estimated to be somewhere

460
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Speaker 1: between sixty million dollars. That's the number you'll hear most often,

461
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Speaker 1: But then you'll hear other wilder claims saying actually it's

462
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Speaker 1: worth two hundred and fifty million dollars.

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Speaker 3: Sixty seems low.

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Speaker 2: Sixty seems low to me based on how famous she

465
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Speaker 2: is and was and how many hits she's had. But again,

466
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Speaker 2: like my whole thing we talked about this off Mike

467
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Speaker 2: is it's interesting to me that this conservator ship is

468
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Speaker 2: used in this way because, like I said, I mean,

469
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Speaker 2: it seems like it's more designed for people who literally

470
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Speaker 2: can't take care of themselves and are potentially either a

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Speaker 2: danger to themselves and others or just incapable of taking

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Speaker 2: care of themselves. Because there's no law in America that

473
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Speaker 2: says you're not allowed to be stupid with your money

474
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Speaker 2: and squander it and be a bad steward of your

475
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Speaker 2: fortune and all of this, so much of this has

476
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Speaker 2: to do with making business decisions on her behalf, you know,

477
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Speaker 2: investing her money, giving accounts of her fortune to the courts.

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Speaker 2: All of that seems very financially driven. And I just

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Speaker 2: don't know of any law on the books, especially in

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Speaker 2: a place like Hollywood where we see you know, rags

481
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Speaker 2: to riches and riches to rags stories all the time.

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Speaker 2: That part of it makes this really suspect to me.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, yeah.

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Speaker 1: I would also point out, and this is something I

485
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Speaker 1: found that that should pique your interest, folks, if you're

486
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Speaker 1: familiar to this story, another big cost for the estate

487
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Speaker 1: is the maintenance of the conservatorship itself. So think about that,

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Speaker 1: you know what I mean.

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Speaker 4: Is this a.

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Speaker 1: Fox run henhouse?

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Speaker 3: You know, mainly guess.

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Speaker 2: Meaning a salary, right, like a salary paid out to

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Speaker 2: the conservators.

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Speaker 1: Multiple multiple And so there are two people for a

495
00:28:16,600 --> 00:28:20,560
Speaker 1: very long time that worthy what are called the co conservators.

496
00:28:20,680 --> 00:28:25,080
Speaker 1: They ran this legal arrangement which got quite complex with

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00:28:25,119 --> 00:28:29,040
Speaker 1: all the money and expenses and opportunities for income involved.

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Speaker 1: The first one was her father, Jamie Spears, and for

499
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Speaker 1: a very long time there was a lawyer in the mix.

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Speaker 1: His name was Andrew M. Wallet. I'll go watch the

501
00:28:39,640 --> 00:28:44,160
Speaker 1: brain Stuff video about nominative determinism. Wallet is on the

502
00:28:44,200 --> 00:28:46,880
Speaker 1: case and they came down hard on her, like, okay,

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Speaker 1: if you have ever in the days of more free travel,

504
00:28:52,080 --> 00:28:54,640
Speaker 1: a lot of times people who travel for work are

505
00:28:54,720 --> 00:28:58,080
Speaker 1: familiar with this issue. You go on a work trip,

506
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Speaker 1: right and you maybe you have a per diem or

507
00:29:01,120 --> 00:29:03,720
Speaker 1: maybe they just say, look, you have to take these

508
00:29:03,760 --> 00:29:08,320
Speaker 1: people out, wind them, dying them, transport them places, transport

509
00:29:08,360 --> 00:29:11,800
Speaker 1: yourself places, and you know, get whatever you want within reason,

510
00:29:12,040 --> 00:29:14,200
Speaker 1: but keep all your receipts. And you have to give

511
00:29:14,280 --> 00:29:16,600
Speaker 1: us your receipts and then send them off to some

512
00:29:16,720 --> 00:29:19,920
Speaker 1: accounting department or whatever. Britney Spears was having to do

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00:29:20,000 --> 00:29:22,440
Speaker 1: that in her daily life, like she would take her

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00:29:22,520 --> 00:29:26,360
Speaker 1: kids places, maybe take them to Six Flags, she had

515
00:29:26,360 --> 00:29:30,760
Speaker 1: to account for those expenses or like even going to

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00:29:30,880 --> 00:29:35,320
Speaker 1: Sonic or something. And because the court required this, and

517
00:29:35,360 --> 00:29:39,080
Speaker 1: so the conservatorship is keeping an eye on every nickel

518
00:29:39,160 --> 00:29:43,800
Speaker 1: and dime. The implicit idea here should be said out loud.

519
00:29:43,960 --> 00:29:49,560
Speaker 1: The concept is that they are saving her fortune from herself,

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00:29:50,080 --> 00:29:53,320
Speaker 1: the money that she has earned, which is her money

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00:29:54,360 --> 00:30:01,160
Speaker 1: should not be under her control wallet. Interestingly enough, last

522
00:30:01,280 --> 00:30:04,120
Speaker 1: year and for a long time, no one replaced him.

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Speaker 1: In later statements, though, he said that this conservatorship could

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Speaker 1: last for the rest of spears life. And I hope

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Speaker 1: a lot of people are listening to our episode today

526
00:30:14,240 --> 00:30:18,480
Speaker 1: and popping by conspiracy stuff on Twitter, popping by our Instagram,

527
00:30:18,560 --> 00:30:21,959
Speaker 1: et cetera, and hitting us up with the old hashtag

528
00:30:22,520 --> 00:30:25,200
Speaker 1: free Britney. That's something you've seen, even if you're not,

529
00:30:25,440 --> 00:30:28,080
Speaker 1: even if you hate pop music, you've heard about this.

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00:30:29,280 --> 00:30:31,480
Speaker 1: It's older than a lot of people might think too,

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Speaker 1: which is kind of surprising.

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Speaker 3: It is.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, this is something that popped up right around the

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Speaker 2: very beginning of the conservator ship, really right on the

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Speaker 2: heels of it. I mean in two thousand and eight

536
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Speaker 2: is when she had that very public kind of meltdown

537
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Speaker 2: situation where she was held in the psychiatric unit and evaluated.

538
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Speaker 2: And then it was two thousand and nine that the

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Speaker 2: Free Brittany campaign kind of came into existence through a

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Speaker 2: fan site called breatheeavy dot com. Assuming that's a reference

541
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Speaker 2: to Britney's trademark heavy breathing.

542
00:31:04,200 --> 00:31:05,440
Speaker 3: It is trademark, by the way.

543
00:31:06,320 --> 00:31:09,480
Speaker 2: Yeah, and this idea that she was somehow being held

544
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Speaker 2: against her will, not just in a psychiatric hold, but

545
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Speaker 2: in a much larger and perhaps.

546
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Speaker 3: More nefarious way.

547
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Speaker 2: The website's owner, person by the name of Jordan Miller,

548
00:31:19,560 --> 00:31:22,080
Speaker 2: said at one point that he received an irate call

549
00:31:22,200 --> 00:31:26,400
Speaker 2: from Jamie Britney's father, who threatened to have the website

550
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Speaker 2: taken down. Ten years later, Brittany has released three major

551
00:31:33,000 --> 00:31:36,920
Speaker 2: label albums, appeared quite often on television, including a period

552
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Speaker 2: as a judge on the singing show The X Factor,

553
00:31:40,240 --> 00:31:45,600
Speaker 2: and also performed live several times in a residency gig

554
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Speaker 2: in Las Vegas that she did famously kind of abandon

555
00:31:49,960 --> 00:31:52,120
Speaker 2: but that was for health reasons, right Ben.

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Speaker 1: Her father, Her father had some serious health concerns, and

557
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Speaker 1: so she dropped. She dropped the Vegas stuff because you know,

558
00:32:00,440 --> 00:32:04,000
Speaker 1: when it comes to uh, I hate the lazy TV

559
00:32:04,120 --> 00:32:07,040
Speaker 1: writing trope about this, but family is important.

560
00:32:06,720 --> 00:32:10,600
Speaker 3: So that comes from that concept, comes from TV. I

561
00:32:10,640 --> 00:32:11,040
Speaker 3: love that.

562
00:32:11,240 --> 00:32:14,760
Speaker 1: No, like it's okay. If you see you'll see a

563
00:32:14,800 --> 00:32:20,560
Speaker 1: lot of fantastic television shows brought low by a very

564
00:32:20,680 --> 00:32:24,720
Speaker 1: lazy decision to like make everybody related, or to have

565
00:32:24,840 --> 00:32:30,240
Speaker 1: characters that cartoonishly are are saying look, I know we're

566
00:32:30,280 --> 00:32:33,680
Speaker 1: saving the world, but I'm real the only thing that

567
00:32:33,760 --> 00:32:37,200
Speaker 1: matters is forget everybody else. The only thing that matters

568
00:32:37,360 --> 00:32:40,320
Speaker 1: is me talking to this one person I'm related to.

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Speaker 1: I don't mean it sounds cynical, but like Ruin shows

570
00:32:44,000 --> 00:32:48,840
Speaker 1: like Utopia, which otherwise are fantastic no spoilers, but it

571
00:32:48,920 --> 00:32:50,680
Speaker 1: is based in a real thing. What she's doing is

572
00:32:50,760 --> 00:32:53,680
Speaker 1: very understandable. It's not like it's not like it's going

573
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Speaker 1: to break the bank for her not to be at

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Speaker 1: Las Vegas right now.

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Speaker 2: But a lot of times there's contracts involved with those things,

576
00:33:00,520 --> 00:33:02,880
Speaker 2: and you know, maybe there's an escape clause or something

577
00:33:02,960 --> 00:33:04,760
Speaker 2: like that, but it would it would be a great

578
00:33:05,000 --> 00:33:07,800
Speaker 2: financial cost. I would imagine you'd have to like pay

579
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Speaker 2: out the promoters and and I mean, I don't know. Again,

580
00:33:10,760 --> 00:33:13,160
Speaker 2: these these are these kind of these contracts with celebrities

581
00:33:13,160 --> 00:33:16,520
Speaker 2: of this level are very complicated and they go through

582
00:33:16,560 --> 00:33:18,800
Speaker 2: a lot of negotiations and back and forth and both

583
00:33:18,800 --> 00:33:21,920
Speaker 2: sides making sure they're protected. But I can't imagine you

584
00:33:21,960 --> 00:33:24,400
Speaker 2: could just jump ship. You know, It's not like you

585
00:33:24,440 --> 00:33:27,240
Speaker 2: can have a Britney Spears understudy. Like I imagine if

586
00:33:27,280 --> 00:33:31,280
Speaker 2: you've got like a residency. It's probably pretty gonna be

587
00:33:31,320 --> 00:33:34,560
Speaker 2: pretty expensive to get out of it. But to your point, Ben,

588
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Speaker 2: we're talking hundreds of millions of dollars here potentially. But

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Speaker 2: I would argue, and I think you would probably agree

590
00:33:42,680 --> 00:33:45,560
Speaker 2: and listeners too, that these do not sound like the

591
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Speaker 2: activities of a person that cannot take care of themselves.

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Speaker 2: I mean, doing a concert performance like that night after

593
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Speaker 2: night requires lip syncing or no, which is another discussion,

594
00:33:56,920 --> 00:34:01,800
Speaker 2: entirely requires stamina, requires good memory skills to be able

595
00:34:01,840 --> 00:34:07,760
Speaker 2: to remember all that choreography, you know, physical fitness, discipline.

596
00:34:08,200 --> 00:34:10,080
Speaker 1: If you miss a show, you have to make up

597
00:34:10,080 --> 00:34:12,759
Speaker 1: shows like I would love to see one of those contracts.

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Speaker 1: You're right, there's probably not an understudy. People who pay

599
00:34:15,760 --> 00:34:18,360
Speaker 1: for these kind of concerts don't want to watch a

600
00:34:18,400 --> 00:34:22,640
Speaker 1: show with Sidney Brears or whomever the person would be.

601
00:34:22,680 --> 00:34:26,040
Speaker 1: But also at that level, you know, yes, even if

602
00:34:26,040 --> 00:34:28,440
Speaker 1: you can take the financial hit, you are going to

603
00:34:28,760 --> 00:34:34,359
Speaker 1: perhaps irreparably burn some bridges. So this was seen. This

604
00:34:34,520 --> 00:34:37,239
Speaker 1: was seen as problematic for people who are watching this

605
00:34:37,400 --> 00:34:43,359
Speaker 1: individual's career. But something strange happened recently. People who are

606
00:34:44,000 --> 00:34:48,080
Speaker 1: members of the Britney Army or the DDE and the

607
00:34:48,120 --> 00:34:53,000
Speaker 1: wool fans have always been watching this since since that time,

608
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Speaker 1: but now there's renewed interests in this strange situation, this

609
00:34:58,840 --> 00:35:03,440
Speaker 1: conservatorship that never stopped, and we have to ask ourselves why.

610
00:35:03,760 --> 00:35:06,640
Speaker 1: Part of the reason, I would argue is the pandemic

611
00:35:06,840 --> 00:35:08,920
Speaker 1: gave a lot of people a lot more time and

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00:35:08,920 --> 00:35:12,640
Speaker 1: they were stayed. They were glued to Britney spears social

613
00:35:12,840 --> 00:35:16,640
Speaker 1: media presence, especially while they were in quarantine for months

614
00:35:16,760 --> 00:35:23,120
Speaker 1: this was mysteriously inactive. And then a fan podcast and

615
00:35:23,120 --> 00:35:26,319
Speaker 1: we're going to mention their name because they're part of

616
00:35:26,360 --> 00:35:30,560
Speaker 1: this story. A fan podcast called Britney's Graham released a

617
00:35:30,680 --> 00:35:36,120
Speaker 1: voicemail message from someone claiming to be an anonymous paralegal

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00:35:36,560 --> 00:35:41,880
Speaker 1: with firsthand involvement in the actual Spears conservatorship, and the

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Speaker 1: voicemail raised concerns about Spear's physical, mental well being and

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Speaker 1: her personal agency or autonomy. So the host of the

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Speaker 1: podcast started speculating right asking valid questions, what's happening to

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00:35:59,000 --> 00:36:03,120
Speaker 1: this performer's instagram? You know, usually it's like a fun

623
00:36:03,360 --> 00:36:05,640
Speaker 1: slice of life behind the scenes. Look at this cool

624
00:36:05,680 --> 00:36:07,640
Speaker 1: stuff I'm doing with my two kids, you know what

625
00:36:07,719 --> 00:36:10,239
Speaker 1: I mean? That's a very wholesome Instagram, but they said

626
00:36:10,280 --> 00:36:12,799
Speaker 1: why has it gone dark for a few months? And

627
00:36:12,840 --> 00:36:18,560
Speaker 1: then she started coming back, dancing around her mansion, posting

628
00:36:18,640 --> 00:36:22,640
Speaker 1: videos on Instagram as well as TikTok, and people started

629
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Speaker 1: reading into what she was posting, which for maybe more

630
00:36:30,040 --> 00:36:34,160
Speaker 1: skeptical people, seems pretty innocuous, right, but maybe for other

631
00:36:34,200 --> 00:36:37,840
Speaker 1: people there's something deeper there, some kind of code or

632
00:36:38,000 --> 00:36:42,239
Speaker 1: hidden message. That's why you would see. There was one

633
00:36:42,320 --> 00:36:46,520
Speaker 1: video in July where Britney Spears is dancing to a

634
00:36:46,600 --> 00:36:49,680
Speaker 1: song from Rihanna called Never Ending, And then if you

635
00:36:49,719 --> 00:36:52,200
Speaker 1: look at the comments, it's thousands of people who are

636
00:36:52,239 --> 00:36:56,600
Speaker 1: just writing free Brittany. They're writing about that conspiracy theory.

637
00:36:56,640 --> 00:36:59,719
Speaker 1: And if you're not, if you haven't read much about this,

638
00:37:00,080 --> 00:37:03,440
Speaker 1: then you might think, what the heck's going on with

639
00:37:03,480 --> 00:37:06,520
Speaker 1: this Rihanna song? Where are these people coming from? This

640
00:37:06,680 --> 00:37:11,279
Speaker 1: leads us to a rabbit hole of conspiracies and speculation,

641
00:37:11,440 --> 00:37:13,800
Speaker 1: some of them, I would argue, more plausible than others,

642
00:37:13,840 --> 00:37:17,359
Speaker 1: but it leads us to some disturbing stuff. What are

643
00:37:17,360 --> 00:37:20,520
Speaker 1: we talking about? We'll tell you. We'll dive all the

644
00:37:20,560 --> 00:37:30,400
Speaker 1: way into the deep water. After a word from our sponsor. Okay,

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00:37:30,480 --> 00:37:34,239
Speaker 1: we're back. We hope you had a good break. Sometimes

646
00:37:34,480 --> 00:37:37,399
Speaker 1: during the break through the magic of editing, we kick

647
00:37:37,440 --> 00:37:39,839
Speaker 1: it for a second and just talk to each other.

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Speaker 1: So that's our stuff. They don't want you to hear anyway, Noel,

649
00:37:45,080 --> 00:37:49,080
Speaker 1: you brought up something, something fascinating on the break about

650
00:37:49,400 --> 00:37:51,480
Speaker 1: this dark period on the Instagram.

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00:37:51,600 --> 00:37:54,960
Speaker 3: Yeah, it's like you said, I mean, and I do

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Speaker 3: want to say.

653
00:37:55,880 --> 00:37:59,839
Speaker 2: I follow Brittany on Instagram, and it's like you said,

654
00:38:00,040 --> 00:38:05,440
Speaker 2: and very free wheeling, kind of you know, spirited dancing, practicing, yoga,

655
00:38:05,600 --> 00:38:09,319
Speaker 2: working out with her like personal trainer, boyfriend and things

656
00:38:09,360 --> 00:38:14,360
Speaker 2: like that. And it's but there's a sense of isolation,

657
00:38:14,600 --> 00:38:18,880
Speaker 2: even pre covid in it. And it's you know, clearly

658
00:38:18,880 --> 00:38:21,399
Speaker 2: a product of this conservator ship. And it's like she's

659
00:38:21,440 --> 00:38:25,520
Speaker 2: a prison, like the princess, you know, trapped in the tower,

660
00:38:25,960 --> 00:38:28,040
Speaker 2: but it's her own tower and the tower of her

661
00:38:28,080 --> 00:38:28,600
Speaker 2: own making.

662
00:38:28,960 --> 00:38:29,160
Speaker 3: You know.

663
00:38:29,239 --> 00:38:34,640
Speaker 2: It's it's sad, but also it's interesting, you know, And

664
00:38:35,120 --> 00:38:39,200
Speaker 2: she's obviously got everything she needs. And she doesn't openly

665
00:38:39,360 --> 00:38:43,640
Speaker 2: talk about the conservatorship. She doesn't openly like act as

666
00:38:43,680 --> 00:38:47,040
Speaker 2: though she is in any way under duress. She seems

667
00:38:47,160 --> 00:38:50,000
Speaker 2: pretty chill and a little bit kind of you know,

668
00:38:50,600 --> 00:38:53,440
Speaker 2: goofy and lighthearted, and she's on the beach sometimes and

669
00:38:53,840 --> 00:38:56,200
Speaker 2: doing these amazing time laps yoga videos.

670
00:38:56,200 --> 00:38:59,280
Speaker 3: But you're ripe. And when she went dark for that period.

671
00:39:00,360 --> 00:39:02,160
Speaker 2: I should have looked up the full text and if

672
00:39:02,160 --> 00:39:03,960
Speaker 2: you want to listen to that episode, or there's a

673
00:39:03,960 --> 00:39:07,879
Speaker 2: specific episode of Brittany's Graham that I listened to where

674
00:39:07,880 --> 00:39:10,040
Speaker 2: they play the voicemail and they talk about this too.

675
00:39:10,600 --> 00:39:15,480
Speaker 2: When she did go dark, there was she communicates in

676
00:39:15,480 --> 00:39:17,920
Speaker 2: a way that her fans clearly recognize. She uses very

677
00:39:17,920 --> 00:39:22,400
Speaker 2: specific emojis. She loves the rose emoji. She has, you know,

678
00:39:22,600 --> 00:39:24,520
Speaker 2: just like a kind of lexicon of the types of

679
00:39:25,200 --> 00:39:29,200
Speaker 2: little kind of brittanyisms that she uses on her Instagram.

680
00:39:29,520 --> 00:39:31,840
Speaker 2: And when she went dark, I would believe it was

681
00:39:31,880 --> 00:39:35,120
Speaker 2: either before or right after, or somewhere in there that

682
00:39:35,600 --> 00:39:38,640
Speaker 2: a response or a post was made that was very

683
00:39:38,680 --> 00:39:43,040
Speaker 2: clearly not in her voice, didn't have the same emojis,

684
00:39:43,080 --> 00:39:45,920
Speaker 2: didn't have the same light light hearted spirit, felt like

685
00:39:46,000 --> 00:39:49,440
Speaker 2: someone that didn't know enough trying to pose as her.

686
00:39:50,000 --> 00:39:52,640
Speaker 2: And I believe that a million percent. And there was

687
00:39:52,719 --> 00:39:55,880
Speaker 2: a discussion that when she was out for this period

688
00:39:56,160 --> 00:40:00,680
Speaker 2: that she was once again, forcibly committed and forcibly medicated.

689
00:40:01,120 --> 00:40:01,440
Speaker 3: That's it.

690
00:40:01,600 --> 00:40:06,480
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, that's a well, it's it's not even an

691
00:40:06,560 --> 00:40:10,120
Speaker 1: open secret that many celebrities don't actually run their own

692
00:40:10,160 --> 00:40:13,799
Speaker 1: social media. Still this, if you read the message, it

693
00:40:13,840 --> 00:40:17,600
Speaker 1: does have this egregious tone that reminds me of that

694
00:40:17,680 --> 00:40:21,480
Speaker 1: Steve buscem meme Hello fellow kids kind of, and.

695
00:40:21,520 --> 00:40:25,680
Speaker 2: It is I Britney Spears as well. Please pay me

696
00:40:25,800 --> 00:40:26,680
Speaker 2: no mind.

697
00:40:27,640 --> 00:40:32,120
Speaker 1: And buy the new Classics collection right whatever it is. Yeah,

698
00:40:32,160 --> 00:40:37,080
Speaker 1: So people are understandably weirded out by this when when

699
00:40:37,160 --> 00:40:41,080
Speaker 1: we love, when we love something, I do believe that

700
00:40:41,160 --> 00:40:45,240
Speaker 1: you can love a thing or a person that you've

701
00:40:45,280 --> 00:40:49,080
Speaker 1: never met. So people have grown up with this artist

702
00:40:49,160 --> 00:40:51,440
Speaker 1: and they feel they feel a kinship with them, and

703
00:40:51,480 --> 00:40:54,560
Speaker 1: it's understandable and there's nothing wrong with that. So to

704
00:40:54,800 --> 00:40:57,960
Speaker 1: many people across the planet, this is like seeing one

705
00:40:57,960 --> 00:41:01,560
Speaker 1: of your heroes or someone you can or a loved

706
00:41:01,560 --> 00:41:06,399
Speaker 1: one in dire straits. So there's the conspiracy theory we've

707
00:41:06,400 --> 00:41:09,880
Speaker 1: talked about that Britney Spears is somehow being held hostage

708
00:41:10,200 --> 00:41:13,960
Speaker 1: by her father and that a team of handlers ultimately

709
00:41:14,400 --> 00:41:18,280
Speaker 1: controls her. A lot of this comes from what appear

710
00:41:18,400 --> 00:41:23,000
Speaker 1: to be coded responses found in Instagram post and comments.

711
00:41:23,320 --> 00:41:27,440
Speaker 1: One Instagram commenter wrote on a Britney Spears post quote, Britney,

712
00:41:27,480 --> 00:41:30,200
Speaker 1: if you're in trouble, wear yellow in your next video.

713
00:41:30,840 --> 00:41:35,080
Speaker 1: And sure enough, in a video published afterwards, she wore yellow.

714
00:41:35,360 --> 00:41:38,120
Speaker 1: So now we have a lot of people saying coincidence.

715
00:41:38,960 --> 00:41:42,600
Speaker 1: Did this massively successful person really read through hundreds and

716
00:41:42,680 --> 00:41:46,279
Speaker 1: hundreds of comments take that one? You know, like how

717
00:41:46,320 --> 00:41:51,120
Speaker 1: much time is there? But you know, for people who

718
00:41:51,200 --> 00:41:53,840
Speaker 1: believed it, they're like, wow, she's listening. She's trying to

719
00:41:53,880 --> 00:41:57,520
Speaker 1: tell us something. And you see other examples of this

720
00:41:58,280 --> 00:42:01,880
Speaker 1: process occurring, Like the other commentary said, please tell us

721
00:42:01,880 --> 00:42:05,040
Speaker 1: where you are so we can save you. Next video,

722
00:42:05,400 --> 00:42:08,640
Speaker 1: she's dancing around. It's kind of like the Rianna video,

723
00:42:08,640 --> 00:42:11,600
Speaker 1: you know, improvised dancing, a lot of like.

724
00:42:11,560 --> 00:42:15,240
Speaker 3: Spin dancing kind of yeah.

725
00:42:13,800 --> 00:42:17,239
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, it's wholesome, you know. But the thing is

726
00:42:17,320 --> 00:42:21,040
Speaker 1: the song that is playing in the background is Malibu,

727
00:42:21,520 --> 00:42:23,279
Speaker 1: and so at.

728
00:42:23,280 --> 00:42:27,360
Speaker 2: Least probably where she lives. That's probably where her home is, certainly.

729
00:42:27,600 --> 00:42:30,440
Speaker 1: Right, And also, wouldn't that have all here's my thing?

730
00:42:30,440 --> 00:42:32,640
Speaker 1: Wouldn't that have also already been common knowledge?

731
00:42:32,680 --> 00:42:35,279
Speaker 3: Of course, of course. Yeah.

732
00:42:35,320 --> 00:42:38,440
Speaker 2: I mean every rich person in Hollywood lives in Malibu.

733
00:42:38,560 --> 00:42:41,000
Speaker 2: Maybe not every, but like you know, you do a

734
00:42:41,000 --> 00:42:43,800
Speaker 2: certain achalon of rich. You probably got a place in Malibu.

735
00:42:43,840 --> 00:42:46,960
Speaker 2: It's beautiful out there, but the sheriff is a real pill.

736
00:42:47,520 --> 00:42:50,960
Speaker 2: If you've seen The Big Lebowski never mind, and you

737
00:42:50,960 --> 00:42:56,439
Speaker 2: remember and probably know this on your own. We talked

738
00:42:56,440 --> 00:42:59,960
Speaker 2: about how conservatorships are sort of more designed for folks

739
00:43:00,160 --> 00:43:03,880
Speaker 2: that are genuinely unable to take care of themselves, use

740
00:43:03,920 --> 00:43:07,719
Speaker 2: the bathroom, get the food nourishment they need to live.

741
00:43:07,800 --> 00:43:11,080
Speaker 3: It's like it's a humane act to grant.

742
00:43:10,920 --> 00:43:14,120
Speaker 2: Someone a conservatorship so that they don't just die, you know,

743
00:43:14,360 --> 00:43:16,640
Speaker 2: alone without any care. I mean, and it's something that

744
00:43:16,640 --> 00:43:18,840
Speaker 2: you would think of with the elderly. And there is,

745
00:43:18,880 --> 00:43:24,239
Speaker 2: you know, a claim that her father is using this

746
00:43:24,440 --> 00:43:27,640
Speaker 2: idea that his daughter has early onset dementia.

747
00:43:27,920 --> 00:43:30,000
Speaker 3: You'll recall early in the episode we talked.

748
00:43:29,760 --> 00:43:31,360
Speaker 2: About that how that kind of came up that she

749
00:43:31,400 --> 00:43:35,080
Speaker 2: had been tested for that I believe in her early twenties.

750
00:43:35,520 --> 00:43:38,960
Speaker 2: And you know, dementia would be a case where a

751
00:43:39,000 --> 00:43:42,480
Speaker 2: conservatorship could be required, but this isn't proven, and there's

752
00:43:42,480 --> 00:43:46,200
Speaker 2: a lot of screenshotting and you know hubbub on Reddit

753
00:43:46,320 --> 00:43:48,200
Speaker 2: discussing these kinds of things, but we really don't have

754
00:43:48,239 --> 00:43:53,400
Speaker 2: any proof, and they claim that she's not allowed to

755
00:43:53,520 --> 00:43:55,960
Speaker 2: leave her home to do any of these things, to

756
00:43:56,040 --> 00:43:59,360
Speaker 2: go shopping to buy you know, stuff for her kids,

757
00:43:59,440 --> 00:44:02,280
Speaker 2: or take her kids. The six flags like we mentioned earlier,

758
00:44:02,320 --> 00:44:05,600
Speaker 2: that she definitely does, and then she has to where

759
00:44:05,600 --> 00:44:07,880
Speaker 2: like that she has to have her fault phone calls monitored.

760
00:44:08,160 --> 00:44:11,239
Speaker 2: There's no evidence to support these things either, but we

761
00:44:11,400 --> 00:44:13,760
Speaker 2: do know that she doesn't have control over these financial

762
00:44:13,800 --> 00:44:16,400
Speaker 2: decisions or business decisions, and I would argue that in

763
00:44:16,440 --> 00:44:18,320
Speaker 2: and of itself is the fishiest part.

764
00:44:18,120 --> 00:44:21,000
Speaker 1: Of all of this, Right, Yeah, you have like if

765
00:44:21,000 --> 00:44:26,600
Speaker 1: you have sixty million dollars and you want to do so,

766
00:44:26,640 --> 00:44:29,920
Speaker 1: I have a list of just billionaire pranks that I

767
00:44:29,920 --> 00:44:31,960
Speaker 1: have shared the past I think are funny. If you

768
00:44:32,000 --> 00:44:35,000
Speaker 1: want to do like a prank somewhere and you want

769
00:44:35,040 --> 00:44:38,520
Speaker 1: to hire a skywriter to go over a metropolis and

770
00:44:38,520 --> 00:44:44,680
Speaker 1: write something like tacos are just okay, just just to

771
00:44:44,719 --> 00:44:47,080
Speaker 1: weird out people in the city. You should be able

772
00:44:47,120 --> 00:44:49,160
Speaker 1: to spend that money if Britney Spears wants to do

773
00:44:49,239 --> 00:44:52,160
Speaker 1: that under these terms legally, she has to go to

774
00:44:52,239 --> 00:44:55,799
Speaker 1: someone and ask them if she can do that right,

775
00:44:55,920 --> 00:44:59,759
Speaker 1: ask them almost for kind of an allowance.

776
00:44:59,280 --> 00:44:59,799
Speaker 3: To do this.

777
00:45:00,400 --> 00:45:07,200
Speaker 1: If the conservatorship wants to change the setup for investment portfolios,

778
00:45:07,520 --> 00:45:10,799
Speaker 1: she doesn't control that. She can't really veto that. She

779
00:45:10,840 --> 00:45:12,520
Speaker 1: can make her voice known if they talk to her

780
00:45:12,520 --> 00:45:14,480
Speaker 1: about it, but when the rubber hits the road, it's

781
00:45:14,560 --> 00:45:17,520
Speaker 1: up to them her and again it's all her money.

782
00:45:17,600 --> 00:45:20,200
Speaker 2: And the lack of transparency in all of this is

783
00:45:20,239 --> 00:45:24,400
Speaker 2: also pretty striking, and I believe her attorney has petitioned

784
00:45:24,440 --> 00:45:27,160
Speaker 2: the courts to at the very least make the nature

785
00:45:27,200 --> 00:45:30,480
Speaker 2: of this conservatorship more transparent because that's in the best

786
00:45:30,520 --> 00:45:34,760
Speaker 2: interest of his client of Brittany, and I would.

787
00:45:34,600 --> 00:45:35,680
Speaker 3: Completely agree with that.

788
00:45:35,880 --> 00:45:38,400
Speaker 2: All of the shadowiness behind all of this is what

789
00:45:38,480 --> 00:45:41,640
Speaker 2: makes it super sketch. And the fact that she has

790
00:45:41,760 --> 00:45:44,719
Speaker 2: openly and her father has acknowledged that they do not

791
00:45:44,840 --> 00:45:48,239
Speaker 2: have a good relationship. He is not a lawyer, He

792
00:45:48,400 --> 00:45:51,600
Speaker 2: is just a dude. And what right does he have

793
00:45:51,719 --> 00:45:53,120
Speaker 2: to her to any of this.

794
00:45:53,680 --> 00:45:55,440
Speaker 1: It doesn't have a finance degree.

795
00:45:55,239 --> 00:45:57,400
Speaker 2: Doesn't have a finance degree, doesn't have a law degree,

796
00:45:57,719 --> 00:46:01,120
Speaker 2: doesn't have any qualifications other than being her biological father

797
00:46:01,440 --> 00:46:06,160
Speaker 2: who she is openly estranged from. And we can get

798
00:46:06,160 --> 00:46:08,880
Speaker 2: into more of the restraining order stuff in a minute,

799
00:46:08,920 --> 00:46:11,560
Speaker 2: but like, I'm just fascinated to hear Ben, what.

800
00:46:11,800 --> 00:46:13,399
Speaker 3: Do you think? Like what how does that?

801
00:46:13,440 --> 00:46:15,880
Speaker 2: How do you how do you have that much? You know,

802
00:46:15,960 --> 00:46:20,040
Speaker 2: bravado that you can make that happen? Went with zero,

803
00:46:20,120 --> 00:46:21,799
Speaker 2: Like how do you petition the court for this when

804
00:46:21,800 --> 00:46:24,960
Speaker 2: you have no claim? She's an adult, she is a

805
00:46:25,080 --> 00:46:26,080
Speaker 2: legal adult.

806
00:46:26,680 --> 00:46:30,040
Speaker 1: I have a fantastic theory about this towards the end.

807
00:46:30,920 --> 00:46:35,279
Speaker 1: It's interesting. So I have decided I've built this out

808
00:46:35,320 --> 00:46:37,480
Speaker 1: to like save that for the eight because the most

809
00:46:37,480 --> 00:46:39,200
Speaker 1: important part of the show is you folks who want

810
00:46:39,200 --> 00:46:41,040
Speaker 1: to hear from you, And I'm sure we'll hear from

811
00:46:41,080 --> 00:46:44,239
Speaker 1: a lot of people about this. There are other Instagram things,

812
00:46:44,280 --> 00:46:47,640
Speaker 1: There are things on TikTok as well, right we I

813
00:46:47,680 --> 00:46:51,759
Speaker 1: believe we both saw the Spears account where there's like

814
00:46:52,040 --> 00:46:55,040
Speaker 1: a flower, maybe a white rose, with a quote she

815
00:46:55,120 --> 00:46:58,040
Speaker 1: wore flowers in her hair and carried magic secrets in

816
00:46:58,080 --> 00:47:00,600
Speaker 1: her eyes. A quote comes from a novel called The

817
00:47:00,640 --> 00:47:04,960
Speaker 1: God of Small Things by urundhate Roy And I didn't

818
00:47:05,000 --> 00:47:07,480
Speaker 1: quite understand this when Will maybe explain it to me.

819
00:47:07,560 --> 00:47:10,960
Speaker 1: It explores the story the novel of these twins laboring

820
00:47:11,040 --> 00:47:13,439
Speaker 1: under what are called love laws, and these love laws

821
00:47:13,480 --> 00:47:17,160
Speaker 1: decree how a person can be loved and win and

822
00:47:17,520 --> 00:47:19,759
Speaker 1: et cetera, et cetera. And I have yet to read

823
00:47:20,000 --> 00:47:23,080
Speaker 1: The God of Small Things, but some fans seem to

824
00:47:23,080 --> 00:47:25,960
Speaker 1: interpret this as a metaphor for the men in Britney

825
00:47:25,960 --> 00:47:29,400
Speaker 1: Spears Life and the you know, the balancing act of

826
00:47:29,440 --> 00:47:32,240
Speaker 1: love versus control. I don't know. It feels like a stretch.

827
00:47:32,280 --> 00:47:33,720
Speaker 1: What do you think, Yeah.

828
00:47:33,560 --> 00:47:35,279
Speaker 2: It feels like a stretch in that respect. But I

829
00:47:35,320 --> 00:47:37,640
Speaker 2: do still feel like it's a good metaphor for being

830
00:47:37,719 --> 00:47:40,840
Speaker 2: kind of a kept woman, because you know, whether you

831
00:47:40,880 --> 00:47:44,680
Speaker 2: look at this as like she's forced to love a

832
00:47:44,719 --> 00:47:47,680
Speaker 2: certain person, I don't think that's accurate. But she certainly

833
00:47:47,760 --> 00:47:51,600
Speaker 2: is not able to be a full human, as is

834
00:47:51,719 --> 00:47:54,200
Speaker 2: the case if you are forced to love somebody, or if.

835
00:47:54,160 --> 00:47:55,800
Speaker 3: You're in an arranged marriage or whatever.

836
00:47:56,080 --> 00:47:58,560
Speaker 2: And you know, there's something to be said of the

837
00:47:58,600 --> 00:48:01,719
Speaker 2: agency that it takes to be able to love who

838
00:48:01,719 --> 00:48:04,239
Speaker 2: you want, and I think you could maybe apply that

839
00:48:04,320 --> 00:48:07,520
Speaker 2: same agency to just the agency of being a fully

840
00:48:08,160 --> 00:48:11,880
Speaker 2: free human. So maybe that's part of it, but you know,

841
00:48:12,080 --> 00:48:14,800
Speaker 2: we we do get a sense that she is able

842
00:48:14,840 --> 00:48:17,920
Speaker 2: to love who she wants. You know, her boyfriend, twenty

843
00:48:17,960 --> 00:48:20,640
Speaker 2: five year old, Yeah, this is this is from this

844
00:48:20,719 --> 00:48:26,400
Speaker 2: year Iranian bodybuilder and trainer named Sam Ascari. You see

845
00:48:26,440 --> 00:48:30,919
Speaker 2: her kind of a lot, and she appears to lean

846
00:48:31,000 --> 00:48:34,440
Speaker 2: on him for you know, everything from from working out together.

847
00:48:34,800 --> 00:48:37,280
Speaker 3: She's always posting about how much she loves him.

848
00:48:37,200 --> 00:48:39,480
Speaker 2: And seems very happy with him, and he seems to

849
00:48:39,560 --> 00:48:43,040
Speaker 2: certainly be there for her. We don't know a whole

850
00:48:43,080 --> 00:48:48,000
Speaker 2: lot about how they met, Actually we do kind of.

851
00:48:48,080 --> 00:48:52,919
Speaker 1: Let's see, Well, there's a free Britney claim that says

852
00:48:52,960 --> 00:48:58,479
Speaker 1: that said that alleges Jamie Spears pays various has paid

853
00:48:58,560 --> 00:49:02,479
Speaker 1: various guys to be Britney Spears boyfriend. But I didn't

854
00:49:02,480 --> 00:49:04,880
Speaker 1: find I didn't find hard evidence of that either. I

855
00:49:04,920 --> 00:49:09,080
Speaker 1: did find previous boyfriend's ex boyfriends who said that wasn't true,

856
00:49:09,560 --> 00:49:14,400
Speaker 1: and they also said Britney Spears has control of her faculties,

857
00:49:17,120 --> 00:49:20,880
Speaker 1: kind of implying that this has been overblown. But you know,

858
00:49:20,920 --> 00:49:23,120
Speaker 1: if people are on TikTok looking at a video of

859
00:49:23,160 --> 00:49:25,880
Speaker 1: someone dancing with a hat and saying, if you zoom

860
00:49:25,920 --> 00:49:28,760
Speaker 1: in far enough, you can see one of the fingers

861
00:49:28,800 --> 00:49:32,279
Speaker 1: holding the hat pointing to a tiny message that may read.

862
00:49:32,360 --> 00:49:35,840
Speaker 1: Help People who believe that aren't going to be persuaded

863
00:49:35,880 --> 00:49:38,839
Speaker 1: by someone's ex boyfriend saying something, and certainly not by

864
00:49:38,880 --> 00:49:42,760
Speaker 1: the father who is you know, if it isn't clear already.

865
00:49:43,440 --> 00:49:46,640
Speaker 1: Often the antagonist or portrayed as such in this narrative

866
00:49:47,320 --> 00:49:48,600
Speaker 1: for reasons I understand.

867
00:49:49,080 --> 00:49:53,240
Speaker 2: Yeah, he's been super open in the media as well

868
00:49:53,600 --> 00:49:56,840
Speaker 2: about their relationship and talked to them to Entertainment tonight

869
00:49:57,239 --> 00:49:59,880
Speaker 2: about how he would marry her, and that they are

870
00:50:00,080 --> 00:50:02,520
Speaker 2: genuinely in love and.

871
00:50:02,520 --> 00:50:04,239
Speaker 3: The boyfriend the boyfriend, that's right.

872
00:50:04,560 --> 00:50:09,040
Speaker 2: And they met on a music video shoot for her

873
00:50:09,160 --> 00:50:14,000
Speaker 2: song slumber Party where he played her love interest, and

874
00:50:14,040 --> 00:50:18,120
Speaker 2: that that video has reached ninety million views on YouTube

875
00:50:18,200 --> 00:50:20,520
Speaker 2: as of earlier this year.

876
00:50:21,440 --> 00:50:25,440
Speaker 3: But he is thirteen years younger than her. No, not

877
00:50:25,520 --> 00:50:26,759
Speaker 3: that that matters, who cares.

878
00:50:27,160 --> 00:50:31,160
Speaker 2: It's just it's just a thing, just just in terms.

879
00:50:30,880 --> 00:50:33,400
Speaker 3: Of like what we know about him. But that's really

880
00:50:33,440 --> 00:50:34,120
Speaker 3: about it.

881
00:50:35,000 --> 00:50:38,600
Speaker 1: Yeah, I want to. And she's had multiple like boyfriends,

882
00:50:38,640 --> 00:50:42,399
Speaker 1: she's got a love life. Everybody does. You can read

883
00:50:42,480 --> 00:50:47,319
Speaker 1: statements from these x's most of them, most of which

884
00:50:47,360 --> 00:50:51,759
Speaker 1: seem to not really take some of the accusations in

885
00:50:51,800 --> 00:50:56,359
Speaker 1: the Free Britney movement seriously. But there there is one

886
00:50:56,400 --> 00:51:00,440
Speaker 1: contingent that the people are definitely paying close to to.

887
00:51:01,160 --> 00:51:03,440
Speaker 1: As we said in the beginning, this is, for some

888
00:51:03,640 --> 00:51:09,160
Speaker 1: reason a celebrity worship being society. So any other celebrity

889
00:51:09,400 --> 00:51:14,080
Speaker 1: commenting on this situation is going to be, for no

890
00:51:14,200 --> 00:51:17,360
Speaker 1: real objective reason, considered an expert. And that's not a

891
00:51:17,440 --> 00:51:20,160
Speaker 1: ding on these people. Let's just saying again, is what

892
00:51:20,280 --> 00:51:25,720
Speaker 1: happens when society just worships celebrities. Rose McGowan, for example,

893
00:51:27,080 --> 00:51:31,799
Speaker 1: tremendous actor, had a tribute post on Instagram to a

894
00:51:31,840 --> 00:51:35,800
Speaker 1: deceased actor named Brittany Murphy we recognize from multiple films.

895
00:51:36,840 --> 00:51:39,520
Speaker 1: She caught the attention of the movement because in the caption,

896
00:51:39,600 --> 00:51:42,479
Speaker 1: if you scroll down to the bottom, she writes, there's

897
00:51:42,520 --> 00:51:45,800
Speaker 1: another Brittany on my mind today too, one that is alive.

898
00:51:46,200 --> 00:51:48,279
Speaker 1: One they can be saved from the leeches that are

899
00:51:48,320 --> 00:51:52,920
Speaker 1: controlling and trafficking her. Free all the Brittany's and all

900
00:51:52,960 --> 00:51:55,880
Speaker 1: those who get hurt by the trauma of Hollywood values

901
00:51:55,920 --> 00:51:59,680
Speaker 1: and toxic rules. So people were saying, look, this is

902
00:52:00,320 --> 00:52:02,480
Speaker 1: in our minds. A lot of people are saying this

903
00:52:02,520 --> 00:52:06,240
Speaker 1: is confirmation right that something really mess up is happening,

904
00:52:06,520 --> 00:52:11,560
Speaker 1: and other celebrities came forward and said similar things. But

905
00:52:11,920 --> 00:52:13,560
Speaker 1: as is the want of this show, we have to

906
00:52:13,760 --> 00:52:17,440
Speaker 1: There are some issues you can raise with some of

907
00:52:17,440 --> 00:52:20,920
Speaker 1: these claims, like why the Koi cryptid replies. Some of

908
00:52:20,960 --> 00:52:24,040
Speaker 1: the skeptics in the audience may be asking, if this singer,

909
00:52:24,520 --> 00:52:27,560
Speaker 1: it was, a multimillionaire, needs help, then why hasn't she

910
00:52:27,719 --> 00:52:30,279
Speaker 1: made more explicit statements. Why hasn't she come out and

911
00:52:30,320 --> 00:52:34,319
Speaker 1: said this conservatorship sucks. Someone rescued me. I'm thirty eight

912
00:52:34,400 --> 00:52:36,560
Speaker 1: years old. I should be able to do what I want.

913
00:52:36,760 --> 00:52:37,479
Speaker 1: You know what I mean?

914
00:52:37,600 --> 00:52:39,520
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, but I mean the implication there is what

915
00:52:39,600 --> 00:52:42,600
Speaker 2: feeds the conspiracy is that there's something even more nefarious

916
00:52:42,640 --> 00:52:44,520
Speaker 2: at play that would not allow her to even speak

917
00:52:44,560 --> 00:52:47,520
Speaker 2: her mind, that she's under duress in some way, or

918
00:52:47,719 --> 00:52:50,600
Speaker 2: like you know, under fear for her life or the

919
00:52:50,600 --> 00:52:52,720
Speaker 2: life of her loved ones. Perhaps one of her children

920
00:52:52,800 --> 00:52:55,400
Speaker 2: is being held hostage. These are just my like baseless

921
00:52:55,480 --> 00:52:59,440
Speaker 2: kind of like possibilities, right, But that would be the implication,

922
00:52:59,480 --> 00:53:01,920
Speaker 2: wouldn't it. She can't she has to do it secretly,

923
00:53:02,200 --> 00:53:05,360
Speaker 2: so no, so the bad men won't notice, and then

924
00:53:05,560 --> 00:53:07,439
Speaker 2: maybe someone will come.

925
00:53:07,360 --> 00:53:08,040
Speaker 3: To her rescue.

926
00:53:09,320 --> 00:53:11,919
Speaker 2: There has to be some leverage over her in order

927
00:53:11,920 --> 00:53:14,719
Speaker 2: for her not to just like outright go on Instagram

928
00:53:14,760 --> 00:53:17,839
Speaker 2: to her like millions of followers and say, hey, I

929
00:53:17,880 --> 00:53:22,719
Speaker 2: am being taken advantage of, or I am being threatened,

930
00:53:22,840 --> 00:53:23,640
Speaker 2: or I am being this.

931
00:53:23,840 --> 00:53:25,320
Speaker 3: I mean the law is on her side.

932
00:53:25,320 --> 00:53:28,840
Speaker 1: You would join me at the courthouse and hold a

933
00:53:28,880 --> 00:53:32,239
Speaker 1: protest or something like that of mobilizing the Brittany Army.

934
00:53:32,640 --> 00:53:32,879
Speaker 2: Yeah.

935
00:53:33,040 --> 00:53:36,000
Speaker 1: When I was thinking through this, I said, I found

936
00:53:36,080 --> 00:53:38,920
Speaker 1: three possibilities that I would use to respond to that

937
00:53:39,000 --> 00:53:42,799
Speaker 1: question from skeptics. Those three possibilities would include stuff like

938
00:53:43,040 --> 00:53:46,160
Speaker 1: someone else's running or curating the social media, and so

939
00:53:46,239 --> 00:53:49,160
Speaker 1: if she does something too out of pocket, maybe that

940
00:53:49,239 --> 00:53:53,319
Speaker 1: filter won't allow it to reach the public. And then,

941
00:53:53,520 --> 00:53:56,960
Speaker 1: like you had just mentioned, a threat over custody or

942
00:53:57,239 --> 00:54:00,920
Speaker 1: custody of the children or contact with the children, because

943
00:54:00,920 --> 00:54:04,799
Speaker 1: that'll give you control over person very very quickly. Or

944
00:54:05,520 --> 00:54:09,840
Speaker 1: some cynical observers noted this. They said, well, it's possible

945
00:54:10,080 --> 00:54:15,640
Speaker 1: that this is just a means of garnering interests for

946
00:54:15,760 --> 00:54:20,279
Speaker 1: and focus from fans, which I find a little too

947
00:54:20,360 --> 00:54:22,840
Speaker 1: cynical for me, you know what I mean. That feels

948
00:54:22,920 --> 00:54:26,640
Speaker 1: like a lot to do because it's an actual court battle.

949
00:54:26,840 --> 00:54:29,160
Speaker 1: And again, this is an actual human being, which I

950
00:54:29,200 --> 00:54:34,200
Speaker 1: think a lot of people are forgetting in these stories.

951
00:54:35,239 --> 00:54:38,319
Speaker 1: But we do have the latest news. A lot of

952
00:54:38,320 --> 00:54:41,200
Speaker 1: stuff happened is we were coming in to record today.

953
00:54:42,200 --> 00:54:46,759
Speaker 1: As you said, Jamie Spears had temporarily stepped down from

954
00:54:46,800 --> 00:54:51,000
Speaker 1: the conservatorship in September twenty nineteen due to health reasons.

955
00:54:51,280 --> 00:54:55,520
Speaker 1: In the interim, Brittany what's called Brittany's care manager when

956
00:54:55,640 --> 00:54:59,680
Speaker 1: Jody Montgomery stepped up, and now Jamie Spears is back

957
00:55:00,120 --> 00:55:04,799
Speaker 1: running the operation against his daughter's explicit wishes. She has

958
00:55:04,920 --> 00:55:12,480
Speaker 1: repeatedly said, uh, I this conservatorship is voluntary, but I

959
00:55:12,560 --> 00:55:15,000
Speaker 1: just don't want this guy running it. I will not

960
00:55:15,120 --> 00:55:17,920
Speaker 1: do anything. I will not do any work ever again.

961
00:55:18,680 --> 00:55:22,080
Speaker 1: If this guy is still the cat in charge.

962
00:55:21,920 --> 00:55:22,319
Speaker 3: That's right.

963
00:55:22,360 --> 00:55:23,640
Speaker 2: And she's even gone so far as to say that

964
00:55:23,680 --> 00:55:28,880
Speaker 2: she's afraid of him, you know. And so there was

965
00:55:28,920 --> 00:55:34,799
Speaker 2: a petition to get rid to dissolve that relationship, and

966
00:55:34,880 --> 00:55:39,440
Speaker 2: the judge overseeing that legal you know, dispute between her

967
00:55:39,440 --> 00:55:45,040
Speaker 2: and her father shot it down. So it's gonna stand.

968
00:55:45,719 --> 00:55:50,200
Speaker 2: He and I don't understand that. I just don't understand what.

969
00:55:50,200 --> 00:55:53,040
Speaker 2: What is it? That's the thing with the with the transparency,

970
00:55:53,080 --> 00:55:56,359
Speaker 2: It's like, what entitles him to this position? Why can't

971
00:55:56,360 --> 00:56:01,279
Speaker 2: they just install another mister wallet, you know, pocketwatch, you know,

972
00:56:01,400 --> 00:56:03,720
Speaker 2: just some other guy whose job it is to manage

973
00:56:04,000 --> 00:56:09,080
Speaker 2: people's finances and who potentially would be doing her more

974
00:56:09,280 --> 00:56:13,000
Speaker 2: of a service by investing better, you know, like be

975
00:56:13,080 --> 00:56:16,960
Speaker 2: more objective, Be more objective, because you know, I have

976
00:56:17,120 --> 00:56:20,920
Speaker 2: no qualm saying that. I'm pretty sure he is in

977
00:56:21,000 --> 00:56:23,480
Speaker 2: some way fleecing this estate.

978
00:56:23,880 --> 00:56:27,000
Speaker 1: Oh I got I've got a Oh I've got a

979
00:56:27,040 --> 00:56:33,200
Speaker 1: pepisilvia moment. But okay, so Jamie Spears need some statements.

980
00:56:33,239 --> 00:56:37,840
Speaker 1: On August first of this year, the conservatorship renewal hearing

981
00:56:38,040 --> 00:56:41,640
Speaker 1: was like August twenty second, That's when it was going.

982
00:56:42,160 --> 00:56:43,759
Speaker 1: That's when they were going to be back in court

983
00:56:43,760 --> 00:56:48,880
Speaker 1: again for something. He called conspiracy theories surrounding this legal

984
00:56:49,000 --> 00:56:52,440
Speaker 1: arrangement a joke, and he said, quote, all these conspiracy

985
00:56:52,480 --> 00:56:55,360
Speaker 1: theorists don't know anything. The world don't have a clue.

986
00:56:55,480 --> 00:56:57,759
Speaker 1: It's up to the Court of California to decide what's

987
00:56:57,800 --> 00:57:00,480
Speaker 1: best for my daughter. It's no one else's business. He

988
00:57:00,600 --> 00:57:04,000
Speaker 1: denies he or anybody else is Embezile is skimming money

989
00:57:04,000 --> 00:57:07,720
Speaker 1: from the estate, saying this is interesting to me. He says,

990
00:57:08,040 --> 00:57:10,799
Speaker 1: I have to report every nickel and dime spent to

991
00:57:10,840 --> 00:57:14,240
Speaker 1: the court every year. How the hell would I steal something?

992
00:57:14,520 --> 00:57:19,680
Speaker 1: That's very much not a charismatic denial. That sounds like

993
00:57:19,680 --> 00:57:22,959
Speaker 1: like the implication there purposeful or not to be fair,

994
00:57:23,000 --> 00:57:27,920
Speaker 1: The implication there is I can't steal because they're watching me.

995
00:57:28,600 --> 00:57:31,080
Speaker 1: That's way different from saying I love my kid, I'm

996
00:57:31,080 --> 00:57:32,120
Speaker 1: not going to steal from them.

997
00:57:32,160 --> 00:57:34,440
Speaker 3: But then you've got the wide swath of like this

998
00:57:34,600 --> 00:57:38,439
Speaker 3: differential between what the estate's actually worth. I don't know.

999
00:57:38,480 --> 00:57:40,880
Speaker 2: Surely there's a real number on the books, you know

1000
00:57:41,120 --> 00:57:42,320
Speaker 2: that the courts are aware of.

1001
00:57:42,440 --> 00:57:47,680
Speaker 1: But sixty sixty is the final the financial statement. But

1002
00:57:47,880 --> 00:57:51,320
Speaker 1: how look, the more money you get, the easier it

1003
00:57:51,400 --> 00:57:54,360
Speaker 1: is to hide the money. It's counterintuitive, but that is

1004
00:57:54,480 --> 00:57:58,520
Speaker 1: a truth. That's why things like the Panama papers are important,

1005
00:57:59,000 --> 00:58:01,080
Speaker 1: because you have the where with all the hide stuff.

1006
00:58:01,600 --> 00:58:05,800
Speaker 1: Britney Spears just last month was got a small win

1007
00:58:05,920 --> 00:58:08,600
Speaker 1: in court. She was allowed to expand her legal team

1008
00:58:09,160 --> 00:58:12,440
Speaker 1: despite her father's objections. Do you know why he objected

1009
00:58:12,720 --> 00:58:16,800
Speaker 1: in court? He said it would there was too much

1010
00:58:16,800 --> 00:58:19,520
Speaker 1: of a cost to add more lawyers.

1011
00:58:20,080 --> 00:58:20,200
Speaker 2: Uh.

1012
00:58:20,480 --> 00:58:23,920
Speaker 1: And still the court said, okay, look, she's only working

1013
00:58:23,960 --> 00:58:26,680
Speaker 1: with a court appointed attorney up to this, up to

1014
00:58:26,760 --> 00:58:31,120
Speaker 1: this juncture, right, and the other side, her father is

1015
00:58:31,240 --> 00:58:35,240
Speaker 1: working with people that she is paying, if you think

1016
00:58:35,280 --> 00:58:39,360
Speaker 1: about it, through the conservatorship. That's my stuff for everything, right,

1017
00:58:39,440 --> 00:58:43,160
Speaker 1: That's that's what like when oh what what is it?

1018
00:58:43,240 --> 00:58:47,880
Speaker 1: Creeden's Clearwater Revival guy John Fogerty. Yeah, that's like when

1019
00:58:47,880 --> 00:58:52,440
Speaker 1: he had to defend himself against plagiarizing himself in court.

1020
00:58:52,920 --> 00:58:55,560
Speaker 3: It's like I'm my own grandpa territory right there.

1021
00:58:55,800 --> 00:58:58,480
Speaker 2: But no, it's it's it's bonkers because she's not even

1022
00:58:58,720 --> 00:59:01,120
Speaker 2: allowed to have to use her own lawyer.

1023
00:59:01,920 --> 00:59:03,800
Speaker 1: Oh it wasn't for some time.

1024
00:59:03,920 --> 00:59:04,960
Speaker 3: Yeah, okay, So.

1025
00:59:05,000 --> 00:59:10,760
Speaker 2: Now okay, and you know there was some concern. You know,

1026
00:59:11,240 --> 00:59:14,800
Speaker 2: even in twenty twenty she claimed to have burned down

1027
00:59:14,960 --> 00:59:18,040
Speaker 2: her own gem, but that was because of like a

1028
00:59:18,040 --> 00:59:21,200
Speaker 2: couple of candles that were unattended. So I mean, I'm

1029
00:59:21,200 --> 00:59:25,680
Speaker 2: sure that was maybe part of the calculus behind not

1030
00:59:26,200 --> 00:59:29,480
Speaker 2: allowing her to be free of this arrangement.

1031
00:59:29,520 --> 00:59:30,040
Speaker 3: What do you think?

1032
00:59:30,800 --> 00:59:32,640
Speaker 1: Yeah, that's the thing. You know, if you look back

1033
00:59:32,680 --> 00:59:42,680
Speaker 1: through history, society finds the strangest, most arbitrary reasons to

1034
00:59:42,720 --> 00:59:46,280
Speaker 1: persecute women. Really, I mean, you don't have to read

1035
00:59:46,280 --> 00:59:51,320
Speaker 1: the Yellow wallpaper or history textbook to know that. I

1036
00:59:51,360 --> 00:59:54,680
Speaker 1: think they are hinging on some stuff. But again, the

1037
00:59:54,680 --> 00:59:57,120
Speaker 1: most frustrating thing about this is we don't know. We

1038
00:59:57,160 --> 01:00:00,520
Speaker 1: don't know the specifics. The arguments for increasing trans parency

1039
01:00:00,680 --> 01:00:04,280
Speaker 1: have not been accepted by the court. We're recording this

1040
01:00:04,440 --> 01:00:09,920
Speaker 1: on November eleventh, just before we came into the proverbial studio.

1041
01:00:10,520 --> 01:00:15,040
Speaker 1: On November tenth, twenty twenty, an LA judge overseeing the

1042
01:00:15,080 --> 01:00:20,360
Speaker 1: conservatorship declined to remove Jamie Spears as the head of

1043
01:00:20,440 --> 01:00:23,720
Speaker 1: the estate. And this is despite all the stuff that

1044
01:00:24,360 --> 01:00:28,200
Speaker 1: Britney Spears lawyer Samuel d Ingram the third was saying,

1045
01:00:28,800 --> 01:00:32,680
Speaker 1: she's afraid of him, she can't work with him in charge.

1046
01:00:32,960 --> 01:00:37,760
Speaker 1: The lawyer called Spears a high functioning kirk conservati and

1047
01:00:37,840 --> 01:00:40,920
Speaker 1: said that just like you said, they've been estranged. And

1048
01:00:40,960 --> 01:00:45,800
Speaker 1: this Judge Brenda Penny out of the LA Superior Court

1049
01:00:46,200 --> 01:00:50,000
Speaker 1: said she might consider further petitions for the removal of

1050
01:00:50,000 --> 01:00:54,040
Speaker 1: the father down the road, whatever that is, because that's

1051
01:00:54,080 --> 01:00:58,600
Speaker 1: not an agreement. A lawyer for Britney's mother said was

1052
01:00:58,600 --> 01:01:01,640
Speaker 1: also there. The mother is not considered, by the way,

1053
01:01:02,360 --> 01:01:06,920
Speaker 1: a member of the conservatorship arrangement, but she's thought of

1054
01:01:06,960 --> 01:01:11,120
Speaker 1: as an interested party. And her lawyer said something that

1055
01:01:11,680 --> 01:01:13,520
Speaker 1: maybe it's here say, I don't know, I want to

1056
01:01:13,520 --> 01:01:16,840
Speaker 1: hear what you think. She said that the father, Jamie Spears,

1057
01:01:16,880 --> 01:01:20,720
Speaker 1: had referred to his daughter as quote a racehorse who

1058
01:01:20,840 --> 01:01:23,600
Speaker 1: has to be handled like one.

1059
01:01:22,960 --> 01:01:24,000
Speaker 3: Pretty rough soies.

1060
01:01:25,960 --> 01:01:28,520
Speaker 2: Yeah, it makes me think of that episode of Black

1061
01:01:28,560 --> 01:01:30,480
Speaker 2: Mirror with Miley Cyrus where it's like, what is she

1062
01:01:30,560 --> 01:01:33,200
Speaker 2: like Ashley, Oh, and she's sort of under the thumb

1063
01:01:33,240 --> 01:01:37,520
Speaker 2: of this sort of like wicked stepmother type figure who

1064
01:01:37,840 --> 01:01:40,920
Speaker 2: you know, only wants her to do the pop stuff,

1065
01:01:40,920 --> 01:01:43,560
Speaker 2: but she's actually secretly like writing all this more brooding

1066
01:01:43,720 --> 01:01:47,120
Speaker 2: kind of like stuff that's more her. I mean, this

1067
01:01:47,200 --> 01:01:49,120
Speaker 2: isn't one to one that, but it's certainly the kind

1068
01:01:49,160 --> 01:01:52,040
Speaker 2: of things you think about with like these kept kind

1069
01:01:52,080 --> 01:01:56,520
Speaker 2: of pop stars who become cash cows or prized race

1070
01:01:56,560 --> 01:01:59,760
Speaker 2: horses for a whole lot of stakeholders, but at the

1071
01:01:59,840 --> 01:02:01,160
Speaker 2: end the day, like you said at the top of

1072
01:02:01,200 --> 01:02:04,040
Speaker 2: the show, Bend. They are human beings who just want

1073
01:02:04,040 --> 01:02:06,840
Speaker 2: to live their lives and just you know, be normal.

1074
01:02:07,200 --> 01:02:10,120
Speaker 2: And they're already kind of prevented from living normal lives

1075
01:02:10,120 --> 01:02:13,840
Speaker 2: by how bloody famous they are. And then you have

1076
01:02:13,880 --> 01:02:16,080
Speaker 2: stuff like this to deal with. I mean, the idea

1077
01:02:16,160 --> 01:02:19,640
Speaker 2: that she is being subjected to this by her own father.

1078
01:02:19,720 --> 01:02:22,840
Speaker 2: Can you imagine how difficult and traumatic that must feel.

1079
01:02:24,320 --> 01:02:29,320
Speaker 1: Yeah, this, this is messed up. The latest update is this,

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Speaker 1: as of now, the conservatorship has been extended until February

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Speaker 1: of next year, February of twenty twenty one, which I

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Speaker 1: know seems like a long, long, long way aways, but

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Speaker 1: it's not really. You know, we're almost at the end

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Speaker 1: of twenty twenty. There's been a new co conservator appointed.

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Speaker 1: It's an outfit called Bessemer Trust. Because the Spears Britney

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Speaker 1: Spears I was asking for a qualified corporate fudiciary. They

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Speaker 1: also pointed out that old man Spears does not have

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Speaker 1: financial train I mean, Bessemer Trust is interesting. They're very

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Speaker 1: very odd. They date back to the days of Carnegie

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Speaker 1: Steel in a way. So here's my theory, you know,

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Speaker 1: keep it brief. Now, here's my whatevery. So we know

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Speaker 1: that according to the documents that are available, the father

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Speaker 1: Jamie Spears, gets about one hundred and thirty thousand dollars

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Speaker 1: each year to oversee the conservators ship, and that according

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Speaker 1: to the documents in the court, that conservatorship is somewhere

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Speaker 1: between fifty nine and sixty million. That's what they're talking about.

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Speaker 1: But according to the court documents obtained by Entertainment Tonight,

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Speaker 1: there is one expense that is the largest expense of

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Speaker 1: all of the Britney Spears estate in twenty eighteen. That

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Speaker 1: was the fees for her conservatorship and the legal cost

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Speaker 1: maintaining that. In total, those equal more than one point

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Speaker 1: one million dollars. So my question is how much does

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Speaker 1: Andrew Wallet make when he was supervising this and is

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Speaker 1: it possible? Right, is it possible that Jamie Spears is

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Speaker 1: only making one hundred and thirty k but this other

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Speaker 1: guy and it's not an accusation of mass I'm thinking

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Speaker 1: out loud. Is it possible this other guy and these

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Speaker 1: other legal beagles in the crew were drawing massive amounts

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Speaker 1: of hourly pay or an annual retainer and then Jamie

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Speaker 1: Spears is getting a piece of that is it possible

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Speaker 1: that could happen, that could be totally off the books

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Speaker 1: because once the money goes to the lawyer, the conservatorship

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Speaker 1: cannot do any cannot have any visibility on what that

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Speaker 1: lawyer is a private individual gets to do with the

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Speaker 1: money they've earned.

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Speaker 2: Well, It's also it's like one of those construction scams

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Speaker 2: the mafia runs right where they like charge you a

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Speaker 2: bunch of money for like a chair or or like

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Speaker 2: some piece of furniture, or they like do all these

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Speaker 2: overages and you hide. You know, no one says you

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Speaker 2: got to get a good deal on your employees. No

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Speaker 2: one says you have to like, you know, get the

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Speaker 2: cheapest chair or the cheapest like office worker or whatever.

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Speaker 3: Again, these are all, yeah, just ideas, But I.

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Speaker 1: Do the Defense Department.

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Speaker 3: It's very very interesting. It's very very interesting, Ben.

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Speaker 1: The Defense Department, three hundred dollars for a hammer or

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Speaker 1: komosi whatever, like this stuff happens. I love that you're

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Speaker 1: bringing up construction scams because there's the possibility that this

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Speaker 1: could exist. I'd also like to point out that I'd

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Speaker 1: also like to point out that Jamie Spears attempted to

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Speaker 1: rehire Andrew Wallatt after his resignation, but later withdrew that

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Speaker 1: and Britney Spears was against the guy being rehired because,

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Speaker 1: according to her, she said he was singularly unsuited to

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Speaker 1: the position. And she also said they couldn't hire him

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Speaker 1: back because they were facing hard choices about budgetary constraints.

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Speaker 1: So how much are they paying that dude? And where's

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Speaker 1: that money going?

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Speaker 3: Yeah, no, it's it's interesting. There's a lot to consider here.

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Speaker 2: And I don't think we've heard the last of this man,

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Speaker 2: I really don't.

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Speaker 3: I mean, they're going to.

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Speaker 2: Keep fighting for it, fighting for her to be free

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Speaker 2: of it. I don't do we have a copy of

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Speaker 2: the ruling? Is that public? Is that public information? Surely

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Speaker 2: it is right? Like, I mean, don't have to give

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Speaker 2: a reason, or maybe they don't really they just say no, deny.

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Speaker 2: It's like it's like they don't have to give you

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Speaker 2: a reason when your parole is denied.

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Speaker 3: They just say denied.

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Speaker 1: They don't.

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Speaker 2: I don't think they have to give you a reason

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Speaker 2: why your parole is denied. I think you make your

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Speaker 2: case and then they accepted or deny it. I believe

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Speaker 2: they said that she. I believe they said that she

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Speaker 2: could petition it again, Yes, in the same way that

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Speaker 2: you can, you know, apply apply for parole, h make

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Speaker 2: a petition for early release again or whatever. But it's

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Speaker 2: similar to me, and I think it's really messed up

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Speaker 2: that there's no like data pointing to like, what is

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Speaker 2: it about this situation that a causes it to be

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Speaker 2: your father and B that that is that makes this

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Speaker 2: this necessary?

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Speaker 1: Yeah, agreed, This reminds me of a comic book. I

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Speaker 1: want to give a shout out to that friend of

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Speaker 1: the show, Lauren Vogelbaum introduced me to uh, The Wicked

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Speaker 1: and the Divine. Check it out if you love graphic

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Speaker 1: novels and the dangers of what happens to the people

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Speaker 1: behind the label of celebrity. Primary point remain, celebrities are

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Speaker 1: human beings. Something weird is a foot here. A court

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Speaker 1: has decided to apply something that's generally reserved for the

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Speaker 1: ill or the infirm to a human being, to Britney Spears,

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Speaker 1: who has said who has been fighting unsuccessfully against various

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Speaker 1: aspects of this, namely her father. So how did a

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Speaker 1: court decide that a conservatorship was necessary? We don't have

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Speaker 1: that information, unless, of course, the court was somehow compromised.

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Speaker 1: But that's very deep conspiracy theory territory. So we want

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Speaker 1: to hear from you. We hope you enjoyed this episode.

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Speaker 1: It's an overall look at what, as Noel said, is

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Speaker 1: a continuing case. We're not going to hear the last

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Speaker 1: of it. It'll probably heck, it'll probably end up in

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Speaker 1: a strange news segment at some point. But what's your take.

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Speaker 1: Do you think people are reading tea leaves here? Do

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