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Speaker 1: It's ready. Are you welcome to stump Mom never told you?

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Speaker 1: From House top works dot com. Hello and welcome to

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Speaker 1: the podcast. I'm Kristen and I'm Molly Molly. A few

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Speaker 1: weeks ago, I received some very disturbing news like, Oprah,

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Speaker 1: do you have a half sister? I don't have a

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Speaker 1: half sister that I know of, Okay, so that one

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Speaker 1: can still come. So that yeah, So that's um that

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Speaker 1: remains to be seen. But I went on Gawker towards

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Speaker 1: the end of the day. I was finishing at my

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Speaker 1: work day and just kind of needed a little mind break.

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Speaker 1: Went on Gawker, and I found out that I was

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Speaker 1: no longer a sagittarius. Goodness. In fact, I found out

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Speaker 1: that I was not only no longer a sagittarius, but

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Speaker 1: I was a sign that I had never heard of

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Speaker 1: and can barely pronounced. I believe it's called an effusius.

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Speaker 1: What am I supposed to? You know? How how am

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Speaker 1: I supposed to deal with that? You've been living alive,

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Speaker 1: you know, see since I you know, my life is

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Speaker 1: dictated by my cosmo horoscopes. You know, and and there's

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Speaker 1: no there's no box in there for an effusions. What

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Speaker 1: are you supposed to do? How am I supposed to

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Speaker 1: meet the right man at a at a bar if

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Speaker 1: I don't know how my sign will match up? Could

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Speaker 1: you even finish your assignment that day not knowing what

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Speaker 1: your future? Help? You know what? I put my pencil

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Speaker 1: down and I just I just went home and I

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Speaker 1: just got into bed, you know, I actually I didn't.

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Speaker 1: I wrote something on Facebook and people got, you know,

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Speaker 1: got got really excited about it. But people say that

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Speaker 1: when they find out your sylambic, Oh, that's so, that's

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Speaker 1: so arious of you, so sagittarious of you. Um, and

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Speaker 1: that was you know, people sometimes abscribe these traits to

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Speaker 1: themselves because of their star sign, even they although they

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Speaker 1: claimed not to believe it, because the Facebook outcry and

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Speaker 1: the Twitter outcry was usually people saying, I may not

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Speaker 1: believe in astrology, but I sure to want my sign change.

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Speaker 1: I just remember a lot of people being outraged that

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Speaker 1: they had gotten bumped to being in a Sagittarius. I

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Speaker 1: it was really making me very resentful. Well, despite the

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Speaker 1: fact that everyone fell apart at the seams. There was

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Speaker 1: really nothing to worry about. That's all got started because, uh,

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Speaker 1: this guy gave an interview about how the fact that

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Speaker 1: the stars have all changed since ancient times, and you know,

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Speaker 1: the signs are not related to where they actually should

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Speaker 1: be based on the planet's now. But the fact of

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Speaker 1: the matter is for us, Kristen, uh, we tend to

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Speaker 1: read horoscopes based on Western astrology, and they are all

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Speaker 1: these different zodiacs, and our zodiacs did not change. There's

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Speaker 1: a tropical zodiac fixed to the season, and that's the

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Speaker 1: one Western astrology follows, whereas there's another zodiac which is

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Speaker 1: more fixed the actual movement of the constellations and can

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Speaker 1: handle it when the stars moved positions, and uh, we

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Speaker 1: had two zodiacs. This article will probably come up, This

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Speaker 1: idea will come up again in five years. It came

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Speaker 1: up five years ago. I found an old article about it.

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Speaker 1: It's your sign will never change, Thank goodness. And that's

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Speaker 1: good because Kristin, you and I are quite matched, quite

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Speaker 1: the perfect pair. We are to your aries. We are.

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Speaker 1: It works well meant to be, and that must be

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Speaker 1: why the podcast is so long running. I mean, I

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Speaker 1: always knew that I was supposed to be seeking out

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Speaker 1: Sagritarius is for my romantic relationships, but I looked up

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Speaker 1: our friendship, poor Skip Christen, and we are just dynamite.

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Speaker 1: The two of us are forever searching for adventure, and

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Speaker 1: but we are accident prone. Well, I'm pretty closed. We

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Speaker 1: are kind of complexy. Yeah. Um, sometimes I can be

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Speaker 1: too overbearing for your freedom loving ways, that's true, But

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Speaker 1: am more sensitive than you. And sometimes you be careful

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Speaker 1: before you speak and say something too blunt. I apologize

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Speaker 1: in advance. Those are our challenges. But after reading this

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Speaker 1: because we tend to stick to pretty pretty logical, factual topics.

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Speaker 1: We love things that are proved by science. How happened

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Speaker 1: if we talked about studies on this podcast and astrology

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Speaker 1: is so it seems so frivolous in many ways you know,

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Speaker 1: Michigan State University took all these charts of happily married

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Speaker 1: not matched astrologically and there was no connection. Science is

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