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Speaker 1: People are laying in a freezer for decades. They've been

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Speaker 1: and it's just up and down, up and down of

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Speaker 1: ultimately this effort, especially in unidentified human remains, is about

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Speaker 1: people and human dignity. I mean, bodies need to be

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Speaker 1: a returned to their families.

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Speaker 2: There's a silent epidemic in this country. Every year, thousands

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Speaker 2: of people die and we have no idea who they are.

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Speaker 2: There's no identification found with a body, no family claim them.

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Speaker 2: The remains are often reduced to a box of bones

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Speaker 2: and stored in a medical examiner's office. And the longer

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Speaker 2: the human remains sit on the shelf, the less likely

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Speaker 2: it is that will ever know who they are. This

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Speaker 2: is America's crime Lab. I'm Alan Lance Lesser. Our producer

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Speaker 2: Catherine Fenalosa is here. So Catherine, what case do you

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Speaker 2: have for me today?

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Speaker 3: So, Aylen, I want to talk about a case from

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Speaker 3: nineteen ninety two. It's springtime April and firefighters are called

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Speaker 3: to a fire in a field in Ogden, Utah, which

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Speaker 3: is about forty miles north of Salt Lake City.

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Speaker 2: So this is Mormon country and it's I'm guessing one

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Speaker 2: of the most beautiful places in the world where mountains

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Speaker 3: It's beautiful. There are snow capped mountains sort of surrounding

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Speaker 3: this very historic old town, which if you picture like

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Speaker 3: old westerns, right, and the area was actually known during

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Speaker 3: the Prohibition for having these speakeasies. So there's a very

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Speaker 2: Yeah, and like you kind of feel like you're in

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Speaker 2: the middle of nowhere, but also things are happening here exactly.

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Speaker 3: And so the area where the firefighters are called to

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Speaker 3: is actually a field which is next to one of

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Speaker 3: truck stop. Firefighters get there and they realize it's actually

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Speaker 3: kind of a large fire at this point, and there's

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Speaker 4: A boat.

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Speaker 3: A boat, so it's not like we're near a body

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Speaker 3: of water as far as first responders can tell. Maybe

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Speaker 3: this boat has been in this field abandoned for quite

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Speaker 4: So I was.

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Speaker 3: Curious to hear about the original crime scene, so I

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Speaker 3: called Detective Tye Hebden. He's with the Weber County Sheriff's office.

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Speaker 5: So initially it was just a grass fire or a

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Speaker 5: field fire. That then as they got there and saw

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Speaker 5: that it was a boat, and then that's when they

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Speaker 5: notice that there's actually a burned body within the fire itself.

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Speaker 3: There's somebody on the boat. Oh my god, Suddenly this

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Speaker 3: has gone from a somewhat routine fire call to a

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Speaker 3: possible homae side investigation.

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Speaker 2: WHOA.

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Speaker 3: So detectives collect whatever evidence they can find. Now, since

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Speaker 3: this was a pretty large fire, there's really not that

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Speaker 3: much that they can find. There are some beer cans

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Speaker 5: They brought in some canines to kind of comb through

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Speaker 5: the weeds and the trees seeing if there was any

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Speaker 5: other persons or people in the area. But no other

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Speaker 5: person was located and most everything was burned up pretty

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Speaker 5: good from the fire. That not a whole lot was

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Speaker 3: They don't find any id nothing that tells them, you know,

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Speaker 3: who this person might be. They go to the gas

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Speaker 3: body was burned beyond recognition, so they're completely confused, right,

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Speaker 3: They now are looking at a potential homicide. They have

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Speaker 2: Gosh, I mean, that's such a nightmare. When you can't

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Speaker 2: even identify the victim, where you possibly begin. And there's

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Speaker 2: something so tragic to me about someone who has passed

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Speaker 3: They're trying to figure out was this an accident, was

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Speaker 3: it intentional? Did this victim actually die on the boat?

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Speaker 3: Did they die somewhere else in the body was placed

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Speaker 3: I mean, there's so many questions and there's so few

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Speaker 3: the autopsy determines that the victim is a male approximately

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Speaker 5: They were able to determine that he did have some

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Speaker 5: smoke inhalation. They were able to see that in his

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Speaker 3: Oh so now this is definitely suspicious death. In the autopsy,

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Speaker 5: They did put him into the national Missing Person's database,

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Speaker 5: and nothing ever came back as a match.

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Speaker 3: The police reach out to news stations to publicize the case.

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Speaker 3: You know, they're hoping that someone will come forward and say,

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Speaker 3: oh my god, yes, I happen to be getting gas

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Speaker 5: There wasn't really anything to do except, you know, hope

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Speaker 5: as soon as we could identify and then that would

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Speaker 5: give us, hopefully some people to go talk to. But

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Speaker 5: outside of that, without without anything else, there was there

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Speaker 5: was kind of nothing to do. There's a possibility that

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Speaker 5: it is a homicide, that someone did this, there's a

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Speaker 5: possibility that it could have been self initiate, or there's

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Speaker 5: also the possibility that it could have been an accident.

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Speaker 3: So with no leads about the victim or the circumstances

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Speaker 3: of his death, the case goes cold.

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Speaker 5: I definitely definitely always kept homicide there on my mind

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Speaker 3: Now, in twenty twenty four, the Weaber County Sheriff's Office

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Speaker 3: in Ogden, Utah, creates a cold case unit for the

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Speaker 3: very first time, and Detective Hebden is looking through the

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Speaker 3: twenty cold cases they have and this one, the body

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Speaker 2: Oh wow.

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Speaker 3: What intrigued him was you could really be solving essentially

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Speaker 3: two big mysteries at once identifying the victim. Yeah, so

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Speaker 3: solving an unidentified human remains cases and also solving a

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Speaker 2: Yeah, double whammy.

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Speaker 1: Double.

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Speaker 3: So he starts to look into the evidence that was collected.

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Speaker 3: Luck is kind of on his side here.

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Speaker 5: They laid out kind of everything that they had, and

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Speaker 5: so we were seeing all of these kind of burned

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Speaker 3: When the autopsy was done because the body was so

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Speaker 3: badly burned, there was no tissue to test or take

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Speaker 5: But then we actually had the vials of his blood

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Speaker 5: that were collected by the Medical Examiner's office. We still

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Speaker 5: had them as well as you know, a bag with

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Speaker 3: And Detective Hebden is thinking, I have some usable DNA

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Speaker 3: from the victim, and if we can figure out who

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Speaker 2: Was it an accident or was it a homicide? So

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Speaker 2: now detective had de noos he has in blood and

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Speaker 3: Yeah, So he reaches out to agent Steve Okam, who's

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Speaker 3: an investigator with the Utah State Bureau of Investigations. Steve

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Speaker 3: Ocam has a history in investigating sex crimes. Now he's

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Speaker 3: helping smaller police departments with their cold cases.

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Speaker 1: He's like, Hey, we've got this old case from nineteen

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Speaker 1: And I'm like, Eh, tell me about what happened. So

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Speaker 1: I got a copy of the death report, and man,

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Speaker 1: this guy burned alive in this boat. I was like, man,

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Speaker 1: that is heinous, right, Like there was no ifans or butts.

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Speaker 1: He burned up alive, whether it was an accident or

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Speaker 1: for these guys. So leyeah, let's collaborate and see what

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Speaker 3: Detective Heptin fills them in on what evidence is available,

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Speaker 3: namely the vials of blood and the bag of pubic hair,

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Speaker 3: and now Steve o'cam is even more invested in solving

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Speaker 1: One of the most unique factors of this case was

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Speaker 1: the forward thinking of the Medical Examiner's office. In nineteen

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Speaker 1: ninety two, they drew some fluids. The victim was burnt

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Speaker 1: so severely that there maybe wasn't any viable tissue right

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Speaker 1: to DNA test, so they just thought, buying the day,

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Speaker 1: let's draw some of these fluids anything we can from

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Speaker 1: inside that was protected from the fire, and they have

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Speaker 2: It kind of reminds me of the Carla Walker case,

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Speaker 2: where they were really good at preserving so much of

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Speaker 2: able to get DNA off of those clothes because of

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Speaker 2: how they were stored. It shows how valuable that foresight

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Speaker 3: And to your point that agent o'cam said, just the

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Speaker 3: fact that they still had the adence, He's like, you know,

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Speaker 3: we all think that evidence is perfectly collected, stored, preserved, labeled,

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Speaker 3: kept track of. You know, there are so many things

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Speaker 2: The reality is that also affects whether you can convict someone.

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Speaker 2: And I mean I even think about the OJ case

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Speaker 2: and how they were able to poke holes in just

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Speaker 2: chain of custody. Did someone plant the glove, did someone

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Speaker 2: plant the blood? I mean yeah, the reality of humans

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Speaker 2: interacting with evidence inevitably questions arise that have real world implications.

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Speaker 3: And there's another thing to think about. Steve o'cam said,

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Speaker 3: it used to be fairly routine that if a body

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Speaker 3: went unidentified for a while, it was donated to a

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Speaker 3: medical school to be used as a cadaver.

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Speaker 1: They could literally donate it to do tests on, like

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Speaker 1: to have their medical school learn how to work with bodies,

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Speaker 1: and then they for a while they buried them all

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Speaker 1: in unmarked graves, right, and then there was a while

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Speaker 1: where they just cremated them all and they don't exist.

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Speaker 1: So the challenges with these uhrs is to really see

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Speaker 1: where is the body? Do we need the bones to

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Speaker 1: be analyzed? Do we need to consider exhuming someone if

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Speaker 1: they were a victim of a homicide.

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Speaker 2: So if unidentified human remains were donated to science or cremated,

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Speaker 2: there's no chance we'll ever know who they are.

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Speaker 3: No, Thankfully those practices are much less common now.

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Speaker 2: So I have a question. I know early on detectives

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Speaker 2: did check the National Missing and Unidentified Person System, which

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Speaker 2: is also called NamUs, and there were no hits. But

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Speaker 2: what about CODIS, So.

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Speaker 3: I asked eve O Kim about that. He said it

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Speaker 3: has its limitations with missing persons or unidentified remains. In

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Speaker 3: Utah right now, there are roughly one hundred and fifty

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Speaker 3: missing persons in their database, and.

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Speaker 1: I don't think a third of them have any DNA

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Speaker 3: And because of that, Steve said, they're probably closer to

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Speaker 1: And if you only have a third of the people

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Speaker 3: So what happens now, well, Steve helps to find funding

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Speaker 1: In the last probably eighteen months, we've really been hitting them.

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Speaker 3: Steve Okham's office has a relationship with authorm of the

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Speaker 5: We sent them the blood because that was what we

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Speaker 3: And about six weeks later he hears back from authorm

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Speaker 5: So they sent me a document with all of the

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Speaker 2: The fact that they can identify a solid match like that,

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Speaker 5: He still has family here in Utah, even not even

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Speaker 2: So after thirty two years, there's a lead on who

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Speaker 3: Well, first, Detective Hebden's got to find family members of

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Speaker 5: Yeah, as I'm starting to kind of imagine this guy

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Speaker 3: Allen, this is where Detective Hebden said he had to

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Speaker 3: But since this victim went missing in nineteen ninety two,

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Speaker 3: Authrom this guy is actually Kevin Kapps, and Detective Hebden

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Speaker 5: And then also just because we always have to kind

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Speaker 4: I get a knock at the door, and it's kind

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Speaker 4: it wasn't the Mormon missionaries, it was the Weeber detectives

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Speaker 2: Wait, is that his daughter?

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Speaker 3: Yeah? Her name is Chelsea Laroux and she's thirty seven now,

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Speaker 3: but the last time she saw her dad she was

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Speaker 4: And they're like, we need to talk to about a

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Speaker 4: family member. And I said a family member? Like what

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Speaker 4: I said, okay, you can come in, and so I

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Speaker 2: They have information about my dad.

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Speaker 4: And we were just blown away, absolutely blown away.

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Speaker 2: Hang on. I mean, you get a knock on the door,

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Speaker 2: What did she know about her dad.

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Speaker 3: Well, Chelsea grew up with her mom as an only child,

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Speaker 2: But as far as she knew, he just disappeared.

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Speaker 4: So my dad was getting into trouble and my grandma

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Speaker 3: Chelsea thinks that was April of nineteen ninety two, the

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Speaker 3: over the years, Chelsea's family was always searching for Kevin.

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Speaker 3: Detective Hebden says Evan's sister would drive around. She was

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Speaker 5: You know, kind of every time she saw a homeless

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Speaker 3: At one point, Kevin's sister saw a photo of a

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Speaker 4: I did always wonder what it would be like to

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Speaker 4: not having him around. It's relieving to know he didn't

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Speaker 4: it's relieving. It's a big weight off my shoulders. It

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Speaker 2: Wow, and how did authorm even find Chelsea?

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Speaker 3: Yeah? I was curious about that too.

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Speaker 4: In twenty twenty, something just came to me that I

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Speaker 2: So Detective Hebden and the investigator Steve Ocam solved one

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Speaker 4: The boat was.

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Speaker 2: But there's also this question of how he ended up there.

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Speaker 3: So it is still an open investigation. And detective Hebden says,

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Speaker 5: One of the things with dealing with a body that's

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Speaker 3: He says his office has new information, but they're not

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Speaker 2: Next time on America's Crime Lab.

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Speaker 5: He takes a rock and bashes in her head and

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Speaker 5: leser to die.

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Speaker 6: This person has left DNA at a crime scene that's

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Speaker 6: unsolved and has committed another crime, and now their DNA

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Speaker 6: has been collected directly from them.

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Speaker 1: There's a little blood spot on the jacket.

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Speaker 4: Whose DNA do you think that was?

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Speaker 1: It was the victim's DNA.

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Speaker 2: America's Crime Lab is produced by Rococo Punch for Kaleidoscope.

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Speaker 2: Erica Lance is our story editor and sound design is

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Speaker 2: by David Woji. Producing team is Katherine Fenalosa and Jessica Albert.

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Speaker 2: Our executive producers are Kate Osborne, Mangesh Hadi Kadour and

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Speaker 2: David and Kristen Middleman, and from iHeart Katrina Norville and

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Speaker 2: Ali Perry. Special thanks to Connell Byrne, Will Pearson, Carrie Lieberman,

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Speaker 2: Nikki Etoor, Nathan Etowski, John Burbank, and the entire team

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Speaker 2: at Outhrum. I'm Alan Lance Lesser. Thanks for listening.