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Speaker 1: Welcome to Creature feature production of iHeartRadio. I'm your host

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Speaker 1: of Many Parasites, Katie Golden. I studied psychology and evolutionary biology,

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Speaker 1: and today on the show, it's interspecific animal friendships. These

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Speaker 1: are special friends you don't care about their species. Can lyons,

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Speaker 1: tigers and bears bee buds? Can? We find interspecific relationships

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Speaker 1: throughout the animal kingdom. Joining me today to talk about

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Speaker 1: these funny little animal friends is stand up comedian writer.

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Speaker 1: She runs the Facial Recognition comedy show at the Comedy Store.

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Speaker 1: My good friend, Paula Viganolin. Welcome.

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Speaker 2: Hello, I'm so excited to be here. I love animal friends.

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Speaker 1: You suggested this topic to me. I did, I did.

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Speaker 2: I love it so much because I'm like, they have

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Speaker 2: their own worlds. They love each I love when they

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Speaker 2: cuddle each other. Sometimes they'll catch my dog's cuddling. It's rare.

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Speaker 2: They play fight more. But whenever I see them like

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Speaker 2: cuddle next to each other, I'm like, I'm gonna take

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Speaker 2: a million.

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Speaker 1: Pictures of you. I'm babysitting three cats and sometimes they

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Speaker 1: really like they'll they'll be cuddling and one of them

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Speaker 1: just like is spelunking. In the other one's like ear.

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Speaker 1: They love ears. They'll like go like rooting around in

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Speaker 1: those ears for something, looking for gold, looking for brain

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Speaker 1: Maybe I'm not really sure what's happening.

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Speaker 2: It's very cute trying to find the brain cells.

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Speaker 1: Two of them are orange, so like maybe they're like

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Speaker 1: trying to like borrow each other's single brain cel to

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Speaker 1: use that that day. But yeah, it is very cute.

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Speaker 1: But today we are talking about animal friendships that form

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Speaker 1: not just between two individual animals, but animals who are

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Speaker 1: different species. These are interspecific animal friendships, which I think

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Speaker 1: is really it's one of those areas where we are

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Speaker 1: really fascinated by it, We really love to see it.

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Speaker 1: And it gets into this issue of like, can animals

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Speaker 1: like have friendships, right? Are they just sort of acting

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Speaker 1: on some kind of instinct. Is this all like strategy

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Speaker 1: or can they actually feel like friendship and companionship with

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Speaker 1: other species? I mean, obviously kind of the big one

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Speaker 1: is like our relationships we have with our pets, which feels.

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Speaker 2: Exactly That's what I was gonna say. I feel like

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Speaker 2: we get excited when other animals do it because we're like,

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Speaker 2: oh my god, wow, we're so different. We're like choosing

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Speaker 2: our relationship, but you guys are so cute. Yeah, I

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Speaker 2: feel like we try to separate ourselves, but really we're

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Speaker 2: just like we just need friends.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean, that's it is an interesting thing. So,

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Speaker 1: like I looked into sort of research about the similarities

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Speaker 1: between humans and animals in terms of friendship, and like,

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Speaker 1: there's a bunch of neuroimaging studies. It's the neuroimaging studies

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Speaker 1: that are done are animals don't really go that deep

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Speaker 1: into friendships. A lot of them focus on different relationships

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Speaker 1: like parental relationships, sexuality, long term like I guess you

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Speaker 1: could call it romantic relationships, right, like animals that form

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Speaker 1: long term pair bonds. But in terms of neuroimaging about

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Speaker 1: animals that have like friendships, particularly friendships with other species

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Speaker 1: is not super well researched.

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Speaker 2: That's so funny. So they're doing MRIs being like this

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Speaker 2: is a pan sexual bi romantic line.

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Speaker 1: But yeah, they know about all the animal pollicules, but

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Speaker 1: not the you know, not the friendships. But yeah, the

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Speaker 1: There is a review of neuroimaging studies called Neuroimaging of

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Speaker 1: Human and non Human Animal Emotion and Affect in the

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Speaker 1: context of social relationships.

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Speaker 2: That's a good like article headline, voice that was good.

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Speaker 1: Thank you, good, thank you. I've been practicing by talking

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Speaker 1: to myself all the time while I read stuff. So

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Speaker 1: they found that hormones such as oxytocin and vasopressin and

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Speaker 1: neurotransmitters such as dopamine can modulate behavior in animals in

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Speaker 1: terms of their sort of relationships with other animals, which

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Speaker 1: is the same thing that happens in humans, right, So

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Speaker 1: like these sorts of hormones neurotransmitters are very similar. Also,

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Speaker 1: they've found that hormones cattle hormones. Man, I wish I

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Speaker 1: could just like I wish those you know how, like

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Speaker 1: we have all sorts of cool hormones that can do

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Speaker 1: cool stuff for us. Now, Like I want a cuddle

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Speaker 1: hormone that I can inject into my body.

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Speaker 2: No, no, because then we would just we would just

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Speaker 1: I would probably I'd probably die because I wouldn't eat

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Speaker 1: because I'd just be so cuddly all the time. But

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Speaker 2: Yeah, so abuse it immediately.

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Speaker 1: Cuddles are my crack. In human and macaque studies of friendship,

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Speaker 1: does seem to activate similar reward pathways, which is interesting.

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Speaker 1: But yeah, it's it is not so heavily studied, but

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Speaker 1: there are certainly a lot of examples of animal friendships

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Speaker 1: beyond that idea that like there's an immediate purpose to it, right,

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Speaker 1: Like if a goose is always hanging out with the tortoise,

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Speaker 1: evolutionary strategy, right, There's no immediate benefit that we can

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Speaker 1: it does kind of make you question whether, like, okay,

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Speaker 1: they is everything that animals do really just this like

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Speaker 1: efficient sort of evolutionary strategy is survival instinct or in

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Speaker 1: the same way that human beings have like taken our

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Speaker 1: sort of evolutionary background and been able to do things

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Speaker 1: You know, it's it seems like with animals there might

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Speaker 1: be that same room for flexibility in terms of taking Yeah,

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Speaker 1: it started out as evolutionary instinct, but now like it

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Speaker 1: turns into a goose and a tortoise hanging out for fun.

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Speaker 2: I feel like that's true with like any like humans

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Speaker 2: with regards to like tribes and tribalism or whatever you

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Speaker 2: want to call it, where we like band off into

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Speaker 2: these units, whether it's for protection or love or whatever

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Speaker 2: you want to call friendship, it is like mutually beneficial

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Speaker 2: in some way. So I feel like friendship is this

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Speaker 2: like vague term we use for protecting, Like it's it's symbiotic,

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Speaker 2: it's protection, it's it's all sorts of things, and at

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Speaker 2: any given point that dynamic can change. What I'm saying

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Speaker 2: is Homeward Bound was my favorite movie as a child,

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Speaker 2: so I know a lot about this.

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Speaker 1: It's such a mood. I love Sassy so much. I

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Speaker 1: think I modeled my personality after Sassy as an adult

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Speaker 1: or like I'm gonna be a little bit deadpans sometimes

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Speaker 2: Yeah, that's a great role model. Honestly, she's.

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Speaker 2: Go.

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Speaker 1: We used to have sastfern to sase, yes, but uh yeah,

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Speaker 1: I And it is interesting because yeah, we will. We'll

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Speaker 1: So uh now onto the fun part. We're just gonna

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Speaker 1: not to be clear, these are not like known symbiotic

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Speaker 1: mutualistic relationships. These are just random animals who like form

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Speaker 1: and so like these examples are from the PBS show

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Speaker 1: Animal Odd Couples, which is adorable, and there's another show

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Speaker 1: called Animal Odd Couples from the Real Wild Channel, also

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Speaker 1: really super adorable. I'm probably not gonna name this episode

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Speaker 1: Animal Odd Couples because it seems like everyone calls this

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Speaker 2: Also, what an insult, you know what I mean? Like

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Speaker 2: when we call people odd couples, we're like, you don't

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Speaker 2: look like you belong together. Yeah, okay, you come from

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Speaker 2: you're different classes, you're different maybe body types, and like

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Speaker 2: I hate that.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, it's like Fraser and the other guy in Fraser

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Speaker 1: Niles Niles. Okay, I don't know it's Fraser one and

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Speaker 1: Fray brothers, so yeah, one of them. Let's just get

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Speaker 1: diverse variety of animals, saved from usually the pet trade,

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Speaker 1: or from situations that where they can't be returned to

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Speaker 2: Like maybe they were like comedy, you know what I mean.

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Speaker 2: We can't be returned to normal to the wild, and

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Speaker 2: we don't know how to fend for ourselves in a

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Speaker 2: real way. We definitely need someone else to provide for us.

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Speaker 2: And then also we would never have met because without comedy,

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Speaker 1: It's like, look, you know, one of us might be

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Speaker 1: a nerd, another one might be a jock. But if

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Speaker 1: we can both bond over butt jokes, then hey.

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Speaker 2: We're Breakfast Club Club for Animals. This is that's the title.

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Speaker 1: That's the title. You did it. Thank you, Breakfast Club

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Speaker 1: for animal We did it. We did it. So uh okay,

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Speaker 1: here's this story. Anthony the Lion was being auctioned off

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Speaker 1: that having a lion as a pet would be cool. Spoiler,

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Speaker 1: lot of these lions are abandoned because people were like, oh,

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Speaker 1: it doesn't really matter how many stories do you.

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Speaker 2: These animals will suck you up. Yes, yes, absolutely, leave

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Speaker 1: It's funny you mentioned coyotes. So so. Anthony the Lion

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Speaker 1: was rescued by Keepers of the Wild and Animal Sanctuary

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Speaker 1: and then either neglected or abandoned because most exotic pets

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Speaker 1: Riley the coyote was rescued as a puppy in Arizona,

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Speaker 1: you know, kind of like the same size, right, Anthony

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Speaker 1: They are adorable, and they despite the fact that Anthony

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Speaker 1: They're like they can be smaller than a dog, right,

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Speaker 2: Not that big, tiny and they're just like they're so

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Speaker 2: the name Riley coyote.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I know, it's got the wiley coyote, but it's

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Speaker 1: a little test on it. I don't know why the

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Speaker 1: lion's name is Anthony, but it's fine. That's okay.

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Speaker 2: I feel like lions deserve a grown ass man.

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Speaker 1: There, you know, Gerald the lion.

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Speaker 1: So they have remained friends over the years, and the

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Speaker 1: just it's just so interesting to me when these like

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Speaker 1: in a similar vein another case was a bullet. The

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Speaker 1: Jack Russell terrier and a jaguar named jag are best friends.

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Speaker 2: oh way.

432
00:24:03,160 --> 00:24:06,640
Speaker 1: Yeah, no, that's that's absolutely terrifying. I'm glad he made

433
00:24:06,680 --> 00:24:11,639
Speaker 1: it out of that. Yeah, and yeah. But I would

434
00:24:11,680 --> 00:24:14,240
Speaker 1: say that the raw power of the bear really speaks

435
00:24:14,280 --> 00:24:17,119
Speaker 1: to how much these polar bears love these huskies, because

436
00:24:17,119 --> 00:24:20,280
Speaker 1: they will play with these huskies and they're very gentle,

437
00:24:20,680 --> 00:24:23,680
Speaker 1: like they'll roll over for them, they'll like kind of

438
00:24:23,720 --> 00:24:26,360
Speaker 1: do these playful sort of baps and stuff. We're talking

439
00:24:26,359 --> 00:24:29,760
Speaker 1: about polar bears the largest bear in the world, Like

440
00:24:29,800 --> 00:24:31,959
Speaker 1: these are the largest bear on the planet.

441
00:24:33,200 --> 00:24:36,160
Speaker 2: I saw a picture of our polar bear like hugging

442
00:24:36,200 --> 00:24:36,760
Speaker 2: a husky.

443
00:24:37,040 --> 00:24:44,080
Speaker 1: Yeah, gonna cry. I cannot emphasise enough. Under no circumstances,

444
00:24:44,119 --> 00:24:46,800
Speaker 1: should you ever try to hug a polar bear.

445
00:24:47,320 --> 00:24:50,919
Speaker 2: Or really just let your dog, yeah, or have your.

446
00:24:50,800 --> 00:24:53,600
Speaker 1: Dog go up to a polar bear, the most likely

447
00:24:53,720 --> 00:24:56,440
Speaker 1: thing that will happen is you will add to that

448
00:24:56,520 --> 00:25:00,480
Speaker 1: polar bear's daily caloric intake, which is how helpful for

449
00:25:00,560 --> 00:25:02,720
Speaker 1: the bear, but not really because then it's probably gonna

450
00:25:02,720 --> 00:25:06,439
Speaker 1: get put down, so don't do that. But this is

451
00:25:06,480 --> 00:25:10,040
Speaker 1: also really really cute because this happens naturally, right. These

452
00:25:10,040 --> 00:25:13,080
Speaker 1: are huskies that kind of are used for I would

453
00:25:13,359 --> 00:25:15,720
Speaker 1: I think these are like sled huskies, so they're like out,

454
00:25:15,760 --> 00:25:19,639
Speaker 1: they're in their element, and they happen to sort of

455
00:25:19,680 --> 00:25:22,160
Speaker 1: be in the same area where these polar bears will come.

456
00:25:22,200 --> 00:25:25,240
Speaker 1: And these specific group, this group of polar bears are

457
00:25:25,280 --> 00:25:28,360
Speaker 1: pretty well fed, like they are doing quite well for themselves.

458
00:25:28,400 --> 00:25:32,480
Speaker 1: So in this very specific circumstance, the polar bears are

459
00:25:32,480 --> 00:25:36,320
Speaker 1: doing well, the huskies are doing well, and they just

460
00:25:36,400 --> 00:25:40,920
Speaker 1: like play together and cuddle. And so that same animal

461
00:25:40,960 --> 00:25:44,520
Speaker 1: behaviorist I mentioned earlier, doctor Linda sharp So, is that

462
00:25:44,560 --> 00:25:48,400
Speaker 1: she thinks that there's even an added component of the

463
00:25:48,720 --> 00:25:52,119
Speaker 1: excitement of it. Being another species may add to a

464
00:25:52,160 --> 00:25:54,760
Speaker 1: bit of like an element of like stress or danger

465
00:25:54,800 --> 00:25:57,399
Speaker 1: or novelty that makes them even more excited about it.

466
00:25:58,119 --> 00:26:00,199
Speaker 1: And so there may actually be it's not just that

467
00:26:00,240 --> 00:26:03,359
Speaker 1: they're ignoring that there are different species, but they're actually

468
00:26:03,640 --> 00:26:06,600
Speaker 1: it enhances the experience because it's like this is fun,

469
00:26:06,640 --> 00:26:09,160
Speaker 1: because this is really new. This is a different animal.

470
00:26:10,440 --> 00:26:12,359
Speaker 1: The way that I think about it is my dog

471
00:26:12,800 --> 00:26:15,960
Speaker 1: kind of doesn't care about like she gets irritated by

472
00:26:16,000 --> 00:26:19,560
Speaker 1: other dogs. She doesn't really like them, and she doesn't

473
00:26:19,600 --> 00:26:21,600
Speaker 1: really want to play with them. She was traumatized by

474
00:26:21,600 --> 00:26:25,000
Speaker 1: a dog though, so that's that's understandable. But like, I'm

475
00:26:25,040 --> 00:26:28,880
Speaker 1: babysitting these cats and she's like so fascinated by them.

476
00:26:29,280 --> 00:26:32,399
Speaker 1: She does like to chase them a little bit, not

477
00:26:32,560 --> 00:26:35,920
Speaker 1: in an aggressive way, she but she's like she really

478
00:26:35,920 --> 00:26:38,960
Speaker 1: wants to play with them. One of them gets it

479
00:26:39,200 --> 00:26:42,160
Speaker 1: and like just stands still while she like runs towards him,

480
00:26:42,280 --> 00:26:44,359
Speaker 1: and then she like goes up to him and like

481
00:26:44,440 --> 00:26:46,560
Speaker 1: circles them, and she's super happy about it. But the

482
00:26:46,600 --> 00:26:50,119
Speaker 1: other two are like freak out, which she also loves

483
00:26:50,160 --> 00:26:52,919
Speaker 1: because she's like, great, we're playing tag now, and the

484
00:26:52,960 --> 00:26:56,800
Speaker 1: cats are like, oh god, oh god, so god, so cute.

485
00:26:56,920 --> 00:26:58,840
Speaker 2: It's I feel like dogs do that. They just like

486
00:26:58,920 --> 00:27:00,879
Speaker 2: run up and then they stop really quickly. My dogs

487
00:27:00,880 --> 00:27:02,680
Speaker 2: do that all the time. And my big boy does

488
00:27:02,720 --> 00:27:05,560
Speaker 2: scare other dogs, but he's when he like is excited

489
00:27:05,680 --> 00:27:07,800
Speaker 2: in that way, he's like not meaning any harm. He's

490
00:27:07,840 --> 00:27:10,639
Speaker 2: just too too hype. Yeah, I was gonna talk about

491
00:27:11,560 --> 00:27:15,520
Speaker 2: did you see that bear and the dog that were

492
00:27:15,560 --> 00:27:17,359
Speaker 2: like I think there was like a dog that was

493
00:27:17,359 --> 00:27:20,119
Speaker 2: like missing and like Wyoming or Colorado or something, and

494
00:27:20,119 --> 00:27:22,439
Speaker 2: then they found it like this hanging out with a

495
00:27:22,480 --> 00:27:24,679
Speaker 2: bear and they were just like kind of hunting together.

496
00:27:24,880 --> 00:27:26,440
Speaker 1: But now, oh that's great, Ella.

497
00:27:27,880 --> 00:27:29,840
Speaker 2: I think it was I think it was a husky.

498
00:27:29,880 --> 00:27:31,199
Speaker 2: I'm not sure if it was a husky, if it

499
00:27:31,240 --> 00:27:33,679
Speaker 2: was like actually like a missing wolf or something, but

500
00:27:33,680 --> 00:27:36,040
Speaker 2: it was something like that. It's like mostly where they

501
00:27:36,040 --> 00:27:36,600
Speaker 2: were like.

502
00:27:36,960 --> 00:27:39,720
Speaker 1: A dog raised by humans rather than a human raised

503
00:27:39,720 --> 00:27:40,320
Speaker 1: by dogs.

504
00:27:40,560 --> 00:27:43,520
Speaker 2: Owners found their missing husky hanging out with bears during

505
00:27:43,520 --> 00:27:45,119
Speaker 2: a drone search here also.

506
00:27:45,520 --> 00:27:47,960
Speaker 1: So I love that so much. I mean, I'm glad that.

507
00:27:48,160 --> 00:27:49,840
Speaker 2: Yeah, it was like a bunch of bears and it

508
00:27:49,880 --> 00:27:52,520
Speaker 2: was running through. It was like running through like playing

509
00:27:52,560 --> 00:27:52,920
Speaker 2: with them.

510
00:27:53,960 --> 00:27:56,760
Speaker 1: That's so cute. It's just it is really interesting to

511
00:27:56,800 --> 00:27:59,920
Speaker 1: me because like this the way that sometimes like animal

512
00:28:00,160 --> 00:28:03,520
Speaker 1: sort of like especially carnivores. Right when carnivores get along

513
00:28:03,520 --> 00:28:08,040
Speaker 1: with each other, it's like they've somehow. It's like, yeah,

514
00:28:07,800 --> 00:28:10,680
Speaker 1: I'm just not gonna try to eat you like we're buds,

515
00:28:10,760 --> 00:28:13,240
Speaker 1: like like they have some sense of like, yeah, it's

516
00:28:13,240 --> 00:28:16,119
Speaker 1: not worth it to try to eat you game, recognize game.

517
00:28:16,600 --> 00:28:18,040
Speaker 2: This is so cute.

518
00:28:18,359 --> 00:28:22,520
Speaker 1: It's literally the three bears and a doggie. I love

519
00:28:22,600 --> 00:28:26,399
Speaker 1: them so much. I love them so much. I mean, like,

520
00:28:26,680 --> 00:28:29,720
Speaker 1: obviously not the ideal situation because this dog does not

521
00:28:29,880 --> 00:28:30,959
Speaker 1: belong out in the wild.

522
00:28:32,480 --> 00:28:36,240
Speaker 2: But I'm also like if this if the owners got

523
00:28:36,280 --> 00:28:38,600
Speaker 2: their dog back and I was like a bear, I'd

524
00:28:38,600 --> 00:28:40,200
Speaker 2: be like, where the fuck did you take my dog?

525
00:28:40,360 --> 00:28:40,520
Speaker 1: Yeah?

526
00:28:41,080 --> 00:28:42,120
Speaker 2: Looking for my dog?

527
00:28:42,280 --> 00:28:45,920
Speaker 1: Right? Also, the dog is like I was friends with bears.

528
00:28:46,600 --> 00:28:50,719
Speaker 1: We were like showing down on like live rabbits. Now

529
00:28:50,720 --> 00:28:56,360
Speaker 1: I gotta eat kibble again. Seriously, No, okay, So one

530
00:28:56,400 --> 00:28:59,880
Speaker 1: more before we move on is that, uh so rhina

531
00:29:00,000 --> 00:29:05,680
Speaker 1: Those are often really sadly they are are orphaned because

532
00:29:05,800 --> 00:29:10,080
Speaker 1: of the poaching trade. And even though, like I feel

533
00:29:10,080 --> 00:29:14,600
Speaker 1: like people don't think about the emotional state of rhinos

534
00:29:14,640 --> 00:29:18,120
Speaker 1: because they seem so stoic and like they don't have

535
00:29:18,200 --> 00:29:20,760
Speaker 1: any feelings because they have such a sort of like

536
00:29:21,360 --> 00:29:25,840
Speaker 1: tank like like kind of a tank like appearance, but

537
00:29:25,960 --> 00:29:29,560
Speaker 1: they're actually very sensitive animals, and baby rhinos do not

538
00:29:29,680 --> 00:29:33,880
Speaker 1: do well with social isolation. They can actually die if

539
00:29:33,880 --> 00:29:37,200
Speaker 1: they're orphaned, not because they don't get enough food or anything,

540
00:29:37,200 --> 00:29:40,000
Speaker 1: but they just don't really know how to eat, and

541
00:29:40,040 --> 00:29:42,240
Speaker 1: they just get sick and they don't they really don't

542
00:29:42,240 --> 00:29:45,800
Speaker 1: do well because they're socially isolated. This is this is

543
00:29:45,800 --> 00:29:48,840
Speaker 1: actually not so different from like human the adverse health

544
00:29:48,840 --> 00:29:52,520
Speaker 1: outcomes that isolation has on human beings, like especially for

545
00:29:52,600 --> 00:29:58,800
Speaker 1: more vulnerable people like older people, like like social connection

546
00:29:59,000 --> 00:30:04,320
Speaker 1: in animals who are social uh can have a direct

547
00:30:04,400 --> 00:30:10,000
Speaker 1: impact on health. So at rhino sanctuaries, they have recognized this,

548
00:30:10,120 --> 00:30:13,840
Speaker 1: and so they pair orphaned baby rhinos with like sheep,

549
00:30:14,440 --> 00:30:16,680
Speaker 1: with grazing animals. It doesn't have to be sheep, but

550
00:30:16,720 --> 00:30:19,400
Speaker 1: that seems to be a good one because like they've

551
00:30:19,520 --> 00:30:21,800
Speaker 1: I think they tried doing it with dogs and then

552
00:30:21,840 --> 00:30:24,760
Speaker 1: they found that the baby rhinos learned from the dogs

553
00:30:24,920 --> 00:30:27,200
Speaker 1: to eat, so all they wanted to do was eat

554
00:30:27,320 --> 00:30:30,960
Speaker 1: dog food, which isn't really good for a rhino, Like

555
00:30:31,000 --> 00:30:33,040
Speaker 1: they need to learn how to graze. So then they

556
00:30:33,080 --> 00:30:36,360
Speaker 1: started to introduce like grazing animals, so like a sheep,

557
00:30:36,480 --> 00:30:39,000
Speaker 1: and then the rhino learns how to graze. But then

558
00:30:39,000 --> 00:30:42,440
Speaker 1: they also just like so cuddle with the sheep. It's

559
00:30:42,560 --> 00:30:44,720
Speaker 1: so adorable, so fluffy.

560
00:30:45,280 --> 00:30:50,400
Speaker 2: I follow this wildlife trust that's very like famous. It's

561
00:30:50,400 --> 00:30:58,080
Speaker 2: called Sheldric Trust on Instagram and it's located in I believe, Kenya,

562
00:30:58,160 --> 00:31:03,760
Speaker 2: and they get or like elephants and rhinos and stuff

563
00:31:03,760 --> 00:31:06,840
Speaker 2: and they have keepers who like live with them twenty

564
00:31:06,840 --> 00:31:09,440
Speaker 2: four to seven. Yeah, and just like take care of them.

565
00:31:09,480 --> 00:31:12,040
Speaker 2: And I always know they like bottlefeed the babies and

566
00:31:12,080 --> 00:31:15,000
Speaker 2: they like they'd show like the rescue videos of like

567
00:31:15,040 --> 00:31:18,080
Speaker 2: how they found them, and it's just really beautiful. And

568
00:31:18,120 --> 00:31:20,280
Speaker 2: they have like little rhinos and they put like little

569
00:31:21,240 --> 00:31:23,520
Speaker 2: like coats on them. I think it helps their skin

570
00:31:23,680 --> 00:31:27,800
Speaker 2: or something like that, like the little blankets or whatever.

571
00:31:27,960 --> 00:31:30,720
Speaker 2: And it's just so cute to see them, like I

572
00:31:30,720 --> 00:31:33,560
Speaker 2: don't know, taken in and taken care of and have

573
00:31:33,680 --> 00:31:37,680
Speaker 2: that interaction. And the keepers are so dedicated, like they're

574
00:31:37,720 --> 00:31:40,120
Speaker 2: that that animals like keeper for life.

575
00:31:40,200 --> 00:31:42,720
Speaker 1: Yeah, you know, that's really nice. I mean I think

576
00:31:42,720 --> 00:31:45,560
Speaker 1: it is encouraging to watch those things because when we

577
00:31:45,600 --> 00:31:47,920
Speaker 1: think about poaching, or we think about the pet trade

578
00:31:47,960 --> 00:31:50,560
Speaker 1: or animal cruelty, we think like it really gives you

579
00:31:50,600 --> 00:31:53,280
Speaker 1: a cynical view of people. But then on the flip

580
00:31:53,360 --> 00:31:57,520
Speaker 1: side is the people that do these rescue efforts, who

581
00:31:57,640 --> 00:32:00,160
Speaker 1: spend so much time and love and dedication to making

582
00:32:00,200 --> 00:32:02,120
Speaker 1: care of these animals. So I really think it is

583
00:32:02,160 --> 00:32:05,920
Speaker 1: important to not get too cynical about it and to

584
00:32:06,040 --> 00:32:09,680
Speaker 1: see like, yeah, actually humanity pulls through in a lot

585
00:32:09,720 --> 00:32:13,040
Speaker 1: of situations, even if we also caused the problem, but

586
00:32:13,120 --> 00:32:17,400
Speaker 1: different people, different people cause the problem, and then good people.

587
00:32:17,200 --> 00:32:18,680
Speaker 2: Other people, yeah, try to help.

588
00:32:18,840 --> 00:32:19,080
Speaker 1: Yeah.

589
00:32:19,120 --> 00:32:22,400
Speaker 2: I watched also this documentary I forget what it's called,

590
00:32:23,640 --> 00:32:26,880
Speaker 2: but it's about this like bird rescue in India that

591
00:32:27,080 --> 00:32:30,880
Speaker 2: is really like, I don't know, it shows how much

592
00:32:31,000 --> 00:32:36,440
Speaker 2: hard work. It's called All That Breeds, All That Breeds,

593
00:32:36,840 --> 00:32:41,400
Speaker 2: and it's a twenty twenty two documentary Filching Out, and

594
00:32:41,440 --> 00:32:45,440
Speaker 2: it's it's really it shows like all of the hard

595
00:32:45,560 --> 00:32:49,440
Speaker 2: work and difficulty and like this graping together of coins

596
00:32:49,600 --> 00:32:52,280
Speaker 2: just to like help save these birds that are like

597
00:32:52,360 --> 00:32:55,520
Speaker 2: constantly being like hurt by the pollution in India and

598
00:32:55,600 --> 00:33:00,000
Speaker 2: different other man made factors and like their place like flood.

599
00:33:00,320 --> 00:33:04,800
Speaker 2: It's like they're constantly like in like awful conditions trying

600
00:33:04,800 --> 00:33:08,760
Speaker 2: to figure this out. But it does end hopeful, and

601
00:33:08,800 --> 00:33:11,040
Speaker 2: it also I don't know, it's just a very realistic,

602
00:33:11,640 --> 00:33:15,160
Speaker 2: I feel like view of what it means to actually

603
00:33:15,160 --> 00:33:16,800
Speaker 2: do the work on the ground and like help your

604
00:33:16,800 --> 00:33:19,840
Speaker 2: community and stuff and whether that be animals or people.

605
00:33:19,880 --> 00:33:20,880
Speaker 2: And it's just really sweet.

606
00:33:21,200 --> 00:33:23,400
Speaker 1: I love that. I really love that. I think it's

607
00:33:23,440 --> 00:33:25,560
Speaker 1: so sweet and I think, I mean, that's like another

608
00:33:25,600 --> 00:33:27,800
Speaker 1: reason we love these stories so much, of like animals

609
00:33:27,880 --> 00:33:30,000
Speaker 1: being friends with each other, because I think we feel

610
00:33:30,360 --> 00:33:33,760
Speaker 1: that empathy towards animals, and it's gratifying to see that

611
00:33:33,880 --> 00:33:38,520
Speaker 1: animals feel empathy towards each other as well, Like, especially

612
00:33:38,560 --> 00:33:42,200
Speaker 1: when it doesn't necessarily make sense, right, like where what

613
00:33:42,320 --> 00:33:45,080
Speaker 1: I say makes sense. It's not like, you know, a sheep,

614
00:33:45,280 --> 00:33:49,120
Speaker 1: Like being nice to a rhino doesn't directly benefit the sheep.

615
00:33:49,640 --> 00:33:52,440
Speaker 1: It benefits the baby rhino. But like the sheep is

616
00:33:52,480 --> 00:33:54,840
Speaker 1: just happy to be like, hey, man, like you're cool,

617
00:33:55,040 --> 00:33:57,800
Speaker 1: let's graze together. And that's I think that's really lovely.

618
00:33:58,960 --> 00:34:02,080
Speaker 2: I know, it's just like all of the caretakers all

619
00:34:02,080 --> 00:34:06,080
Speaker 2: over the world, including all the other animals that participate

620
00:34:06,120 --> 00:34:07,200
Speaker 2: in that, it's so sweet.

621
00:34:07,680 --> 00:34:09,440
Speaker 1: Well, we're going to take a quick break, and when

622
00:34:09,480 --> 00:34:12,600
Speaker 1: we get back, we're actually going to talk about symbiotic

623
00:34:12,640 --> 00:34:17,960
Speaker 1: relationships that are more I guess, sort of scientifically documented

624
00:34:18,080 --> 00:34:21,759
Speaker 1: and are more of a pattern and kind of it's

625
00:34:21,800 --> 00:34:25,239
Speaker 1: interesting to me because I think that it is. I

626
00:34:25,280 --> 00:34:28,600
Speaker 1: want to explore that line between like just pure evolutionary

627
00:34:28,800 --> 00:34:31,200
Speaker 1: benefit and that emotional fulfillment that.

628
00:34:31,160 --> 00:34:32,040
Speaker 2: We've been talking about.

629
00:34:32,080 --> 00:34:36,040
Speaker 1: So we'll be right back, all right. So I know

630
00:34:36,280 --> 00:34:39,440
Speaker 1: I said earlier that we're fascinated by like all these

631
00:34:39,480 --> 00:34:42,919
Speaker 1: like animal friendships that just kind of pop up, right,

632
00:34:43,040 --> 00:34:46,200
Speaker 1: like a goat and a horse and a deer and

633
00:34:46,239 --> 00:34:48,719
Speaker 1: a dog, because it shows us how animals can form

634
00:34:48,760 --> 00:34:52,440
Speaker 1: bonds beyond like their mere evolutionary purpose. But I do

635
00:34:52,520 --> 00:34:57,680
Speaker 1: want to talk about regular symbiosis as well, documented symbiosis

636
00:34:57,719 --> 00:35:00,680
Speaker 1: that happens again and again and again between two species

637
00:35:00,719 --> 00:35:03,480
Speaker 1: like they co evolve, because I want to show like

638
00:35:03,600 --> 00:35:07,840
Speaker 1: how blurry those lines are right between like what like

639
00:35:08,400 --> 00:35:11,759
Speaker 1: something that's like an evolutionary imperative and then the emotional

640
00:35:11,840 --> 00:35:17,279
Speaker 1: connection that these animals could potentially have. And also it's

641
00:35:17,280 --> 00:35:20,080
Speaker 1: super cute. That's actually the main reason everything I just

642
00:35:20,120 --> 00:35:23,200
Speaker 1: said is basically bs, I only want to tell you

643
00:35:23,239 --> 00:35:29,560
Speaker 1: about this because it's really cute. So Randal's pistol shrimp

644
00:35:30,160 --> 00:35:33,480
Speaker 1: belonged to my friend Randal But yeah, that's what they're

645
00:35:33,520 --> 00:35:38,000
Speaker 1: called Randal's pistol shrimp. It's a species of shrimp native

646
00:35:38,040 --> 00:35:41,800
Speaker 1: to tropical and subtropical shallow waters in the Pacific and

647
00:35:41,880 --> 00:35:45,920
Speaker 1: Indian Ocean. They are beautiful little shrimp that look like

648
00:35:46,640 --> 00:35:49,760
Speaker 1: candy canes. They kind of like have red and white stripes.

649
00:35:50,200 --> 00:35:54,600
Speaker 1: They grow a little over an inch and they have

650
00:35:54,640 --> 00:35:59,160
Speaker 1: one teeny tiny claw and one giant claw. The big

651
00:35:59,239 --> 00:36:02,480
Speaker 1: claw is like the big guns. It actually that is

652
00:36:02,480 --> 00:36:06,560
Speaker 1: why it's called a pistol shrimp. It can snap it's

653
00:36:06,800 --> 00:36:12,239
Speaker 1: enlarged claw, forming a cavitation bubble in the water. The

654
00:36:12,760 --> 00:36:15,800
Speaker 1: velocity of their snap is so high that it creates

655
00:36:15,840 --> 00:36:20,920
Speaker 1: this very hot cavitation bubble that collapses, moves along a

656
00:36:21,000 --> 00:36:25,680
Speaker 1: jet of water, and produces a high pressure pulse that

657
00:36:25,920 --> 00:36:30,439
Speaker 1: not only creates this really like a powerful force full

658
00:36:30,680 --> 00:36:33,279
Speaker 1: jet of water, but it also produces this really loud

659
00:36:33,400 --> 00:36:42,359
Speaker 1: sound and pressure snap exactly so like Thanos could only

660
00:36:42,400 --> 00:36:44,640
Speaker 1: hope that movie is like eight years old by this point.

661
00:36:44,719 --> 00:36:48,640
Speaker 1: I gotta I never actually watched it, but you know,

662
00:36:48,920 --> 00:36:53,239
Speaker 1: the snap with the glove and these purple but hey whatever, so.

663
00:36:53,320 --> 00:36:56,319
Speaker 2: Gay by the way, I love LGBTQ representation in the

664
00:36:56,320 --> 00:37:01,680
Speaker 2: film thanoses. Yeah, he wanted a bunch of gems and

665
00:37:01,680 --> 00:37:04,000
Speaker 2: he was such a drama queen. Yes, seize one of us.

666
00:37:04,080 --> 00:37:06,480
Speaker 1: I remember he had like a chin that has like

667
00:37:06,960 --> 00:37:11,600
Speaker 1: ridged for someone's pleasure. So I, oh, you know, it's like,

668
00:37:11,600 --> 00:37:13,720
Speaker 1: what's that hin doing with all those ridges?

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00:37:13,920 --> 00:37:14,719
Speaker 2: What that chin do?

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00:37:15,080 --> 00:37:18,880
Speaker 1: What that chin do? Mister purple? Uh So the claw

671
00:37:18,960 --> 00:37:22,360
Speaker 1: of this pistol shrimp is shaped with a plunger and

672
00:37:22,480 --> 00:37:26,000
Speaker 1: socket designed so basically the plunger like you know, drives

673
00:37:26,040 --> 00:37:28,560
Speaker 1: down into the socket displaces the water, but it's such

674
00:37:28,600 --> 00:37:32,040
Speaker 1: a high velocity that it creates this incredible force. The

675
00:37:32,080 --> 00:37:35,479
Speaker 1: sound is louder than a gun being fired. And over

676
00:37:35,520 --> 00:37:39,239
Speaker 1: a very very tiny area, the cavitation bubble heats up

677
00:37:39,239 --> 00:37:43,399
Speaker 1: to four eight hundred degrees celsius. That doesn't mean that

678
00:37:44,040 --> 00:37:46,920
Speaker 1: it can like actually burn you, right, because it is

679
00:37:46,960 --> 00:37:50,480
Speaker 1: a very tiny area for a very brief moment that

680
00:37:50,560 --> 00:37:52,759
Speaker 1: it gets up to this heat. But that is just

681
00:37:53,160 --> 00:37:54,960
Speaker 1: an idea of like how powerful this is.

682
00:37:55,960 --> 00:37:58,200
Speaker 2: Yeah, one claw is doing all that work. That's crazy.

683
00:37:58,360 --> 00:38:01,439
Speaker 1: Yeah, because like I could make a joke about like hey,

684
00:38:01,520 --> 00:38:03,560
Speaker 1: look at that tiny claw, but then that big claw.

685
00:38:03,600 --> 00:38:06,480
Speaker 1: Wonder what that's doing. But yeah, it is actually just

686
00:38:06,480 --> 00:38:09,000
Speaker 1: a stun pray so.

687
00:38:09,520 --> 00:38:15,040
Speaker 2: Uh, Randall's pistol shrimp stuns with new claw.

688
00:38:17,440 --> 00:38:21,000
Speaker 1: Actually, speaking of new claws, it can regrow its little claw,

689
00:38:21,440 --> 00:38:24,560
Speaker 1: but if it loses its big claw, the bummer is

690
00:38:24,680 --> 00:38:27,359
Speaker 1: that it just grows a little claw there, so then

691
00:38:27,400 --> 00:38:27,880
Speaker 1: it loses.

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00:38:27,880 --> 00:38:31,800
Speaker 2: That's like such a Twilight moment. Yeah, like the Twilight

693
00:38:31,920 --> 00:38:35,400
Speaker 2: Zone moment. Uh, like were you vampire one? No, not

694
00:38:35,440 --> 00:38:37,640
Speaker 2: the not the vampire one. I always mix those up

695
00:38:37,640 --> 00:38:40,560
Speaker 2: and it's very funny. Yeah, but it's a Twilight Zone

696
00:38:40,600 --> 00:38:42,640
Speaker 2: moment where it's like he has all the books in

697
00:38:42,680 --> 00:38:44,360
Speaker 2: the world, but he dropped his reading glasses.

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00:38:44,520 --> 00:38:47,879
Speaker 1: Yeah. Like, if he loses his big gun claw, then

699
00:38:47,920 --> 00:38:51,280
Speaker 1: he's not really a pistol shrimp anymore. He's just Randall shrimp,

700
00:38:51,560 --> 00:38:54,600
Speaker 1: which is kind of a much more lame name. Uh,

701
00:38:54,880 --> 00:38:57,400
Speaker 1: no offense to Randall. I also have a friend named Randal,

702
00:38:57,560 --> 00:39:02,040
Speaker 1: so come get your shrimp Randal. So it has formed

703
00:39:02,080 --> 00:39:06,760
Speaker 1: a symbiotic mutualistic relationship with the Randal shrimp or pron gobi.

704
00:39:08,080 --> 00:39:12,120
Speaker 1: So these are small tube like fish with orange stripes.

705
00:39:12,160 --> 00:39:14,919
Speaker 1: They're just called like I think there are also other

706
00:39:15,120 --> 00:39:18,360
Speaker 1: species of this gobi that have different names. But the

707
00:39:18,440 --> 00:39:22,480
Speaker 1: gobi has good eyesight on like the shrimp. The shrimp

708
00:39:22,560 --> 00:39:25,520
Speaker 1: has really poor eye sight. The shrimp is really good

709
00:39:25,560 --> 00:39:28,360
Speaker 1: at burrowing in the sand, which the gobi is not

710
00:39:28,760 --> 00:39:32,440
Speaker 1: really that good at. So the shrimp burrows and allows

711
00:39:32,520 --> 00:39:34,960
Speaker 1: the goby to live with it, and the gobi eats

712
00:39:35,160 --> 00:39:38,040
Speaker 1: the animals that the shrimp digs up while it's burrowing,

713
00:39:38,920 --> 00:39:42,759
Speaker 1: and then like shares the scraps with the shrimp, and

714
00:39:42,880 --> 00:39:45,160
Speaker 1: the shrimp can like close off the entrance to the

715
00:39:45,160 --> 00:39:47,759
Speaker 1: burrow really quickly if there's like danger or at night

716
00:39:47,800 --> 00:39:52,040
Speaker 1: to rest. And also the gobi will be like a watchdog.

717
00:39:52,320 --> 00:39:57,759
Speaker 1: It rests its tail thin on the shrimps antenna, and

718
00:39:58,000 --> 00:40:00,440
Speaker 1: if it sees like a threat some kind of danger,

719
00:40:00,560 --> 00:40:03,520
Speaker 1: it flicks its tail, alerting the shrimp, and so they

720
00:40:03,600 --> 00:40:07,160
Speaker 1: both flee into the burrow. And researchers have found it

721
00:40:07,239 --> 00:40:10,600
Speaker 1: only does this behavior with the shrimp, so it's not like, oh,

722
00:40:10,680 --> 00:40:13,839
Speaker 1: this is sort of a thing that it does anyway. Yeah,

723
00:40:13,880 --> 00:40:17,560
Speaker 1: it's like exactly, but it's also like it's not something

724
00:40:17,600 --> 00:40:19,279
Speaker 1: it would just do on its own. And then the

725
00:40:19,280 --> 00:40:21,319
Speaker 1: shrimp has learned how to read that cue. It is

726
00:40:21,400 --> 00:40:25,560
Speaker 1: specifically signaling to his little shrimp buddy, like, uh oh,

727
00:40:25,600 --> 00:40:28,840
Speaker 1: there's there's danger out there, alerting the shrimp. The shrimp

728
00:40:28,920 --> 00:40:31,560
Speaker 1: like communicates with the gobie by like touching him with

729
00:40:31,600 --> 00:40:33,920
Speaker 1: its tentacles. We're not sure what he's saying, probably like

730
00:40:33,960 --> 00:40:37,000
Speaker 1: what's up, dude, did you leave your socks? Like in

731
00:40:37,000 --> 00:40:38,960
Speaker 1: the borough. It's it's cool, it's like all right, like

732
00:40:39,360 --> 00:40:41,480
Speaker 1: I don't know what you do with socks because you're fish.

733
00:40:41,560 --> 00:40:44,720
Speaker 2: But so in your mind, these guys are roommates.

734
00:40:44,280 --> 00:40:48,800
Speaker 1: They are literally roommates, so they are literally cohabitating roommates,

735
00:40:50,640 --> 00:40:55,760
Speaker 1: and so uh yeah, but yeah, it's like and it happens.

736
00:40:55,800 --> 00:41:00,080
Speaker 1: There's a few different species in which this happens, uh,

737
00:41:00,000 --> 00:41:03,120
Speaker 1: who also have this, like like of gob and pistol shrimp.

738
00:41:03,400 --> 00:41:07,720
Speaker 1: So it's clearly a format that really works for these guys.

739
00:41:08,560 --> 00:41:11,839
Speaker 1: And it's it's just kind of amazing because it's like,

740
00:41:12,320 --> 00:41:15,560
Speaker 1: you know, clearly they're both benefiting from this, right they have.

741
00:41:15,680 --> 00:41:19,839
Speaker 1: This is a mutualistic, symbiotic relationship. They have co evolved.

742
00:41:19,960 --> 00:41:23,960
Speaker 1: They've created a communication system. And if you look at

743
00:41:23,960 --> 00:41:26,240
Speaker 1: like pictures of these little guys, they look so cool

744
00:41:26,520 --> 00:41:30,480
Speaker 1: and chill, just hanging out and they're burrows together. But

745
00:41:30,520 --> 00:41:33,319
Speaker 1: then you know, you wonder, like, all right, how much

746
00:41:33,360 --> 00:41:35,960
Speaker 1: of that is just like instinct. They're not really thinking

747
00:41:36,000 --> 00:41:38,839
Speaker 1: about it. They're just like you know, basically hanging out.

748
00:41:38,840 --> 00:41:41,160
Speaker 1: And how much of it, like do they enjoy each

749
00:41:41,160 --> 00:41:43,920
Speaker 1: other's presence and maybe get distressed if something happens to

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00:41:43,960 --> 00:41:44,480
Speaker 1: the other one.

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00:41:45,200 --> 00:41:47,200
Speaker 2: I wonder if they're like partnered for life or if

752
00:41:47,200 --> 00:41:48,920
Speaker 2: they just jump from shrimp to shrimp.

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00:41:49,520 --> 00:41:53,959
Speaker 1: I think they tend to stick with uh with one

754
00:41:54,160 --> 00:41:58,600
Speaker 1: like they form a pair. Yeah, And I think unless

755
00:41:58,600 --> 00:42:03,000
Speaker 1: something like interferes because like it's a burrow right like that,

756
00:42:03,040 --> 00:42:05,920
Speaker 1: they tend to stay in and hang out in. So

757
00:42:06,000 --> 00:42:08,359
Speaker 1: I think like unless something disrupts it, right like if

758
00:42:08,400 --> 00:42:11,960
Speaker 1: one of them like gets lost or gets killed, like

759
00:42:12,000 --> 00:42:15,319
Speaker 1: then they might like switch off or find something else.

760
00:42:15,360 --> 00:42:18,360
Speaker 1: But I think they kind of like it's a pretty stable,

761
00:42:18,880 --> 00:42:19,920
Speaker 1: roomy situation.

762
00:42:21,280 --> 00:42:23,960
Speaker 2: If I was one of them, I would be like,

763
00:42:24,000 --> 00:42:26,640
Speaker 2: you're not allowed to find a new partner if I die.

764
00:42:28,000 --> 00:42:30,000
Speaker 1: I don't want you to move on and I don't

765
00:42:30,000 --> 00:42:30,880
Speaker 1: want you to be happy.

766
00:42:31,640 --> 00:42:32,759
Speaker 2: I don't want you to do that.

767
00:42:32,840 --> 00:42:35,160
Speaker 1: I will haunt you if you try, petty shrimp, if

768
00:42:35,239 --> 00:42:40,799
Speaker 1: you try to find you peace Randall's petty shrimp. Yeah,

769
00:42:40,920 --> 00:42:43,279
Speaker 1: all right, Well we're gonna take a quick break and

770
00:42:43,320 --> 00:42:47,360
Speaker 1: then when we come back, we're gonna dive into a

771
00:42:48,239 --> 00:42:52,640
Speaker 1: movie icon, a relationship, maybe one of the most famous

772
00:42:52,719 --> 00:42:57,040
Speaker 1: animal friendships in movies, and how it's got so close

773
00:42:57,080 --> 00:43:00,080
Speaker 1: to being accurate but it's not, so we hate it.

774
00:43:00,120 --> 00:43:03,640
Speaker 1: We'll beer back. Remember Timan and Pumba.

775
00:43:04,640 --> 00:43:06,440
Speaker 2: I was gonna say, is it the lion?

776
00:43:06,960 --> 00:43:11,080
Speaker 1: It's the lion King? You gussed it. It's that irascable,

777
00:43:11,360 --> 00:43:17,840
Speaker 1: those those irascable little guys, Niles and Frasier, Timone and Pumba,

778
00:43:18,440 --> 00:43:22,319
Speaker 1: uh doing their doing their little friendship thing. Right. It's

779
00:43:22,320 --> 00:43:25,600
Speaker 1: a mere cat and a warthog and their buddies, their friends,

780
00:43:25,640 --> 00:43:30,399
Speaker 1: their pals. Uh there, I think, you know, like they're

781
00:43:30,440 --> 00:43:35,200
Speaker 1: definitely like gay, coupled coated, but Disney's not brave enough

782
00:43:35,440 --> 00:43:38,440
Speaker 1: to sort of, you know, commit to that because they

783
00:43:38,440 --> 00:43:44,279
Speaker 1: do adopt a child together. But you know, but yeah,

784
00:43:44,280 --> 00:43:47,280
Speaker 1: they're roommates, right, They're just roommates who live together forever

785
00:43:47,360 --> 00:43:55,040
Speaker 1: and adopt a child together. But right, but as roommates

786
00:43:55,160 --> 00:44:00,840
Speaker 1: platonically riding on each other. So the thing is that

787
00:44:01,160 --> 00:44:04,840
Speaker 1: this is not accurate to real life like meerkats, and

788
00:44:04,880 --> 00:44:08,800
Speaker 1: wart hogs don't generally form friendships out in the wild

789
00:44:08,800 --> 00:44:14,240
Speaker 1: and then adopt abandoned lion cubs. Right, so you suck Disney,

790
00:44:14,840 --> 00:44:17,239
Speaker 1: sue me, but you got it wrong. The thing is

791
00:44:17,280 --> 00:44:20,520
Speaker 1: they were so close to getting it right. And that

792
00:44:20,680 --> 00:44:26,160
Speaker 1: is because in real life, mongooses and wart hogs actually

793
00:44:26,200 --> 00:44:29,359
Speaker 1: have a really cute relationship. Have you Have you seen

794
00:44:29,360 --> 00:44:29,880
Speaker 1: this pull of.

795
00:44:29,880 --> 00:44:32,399
Speaker 2: Be I just was looking it up and that popped up.

796
00:44:33,480 --> 00:44:37,520
Speaker 1: It is cute, It is super super cute. So wart hogs,

797
00:44:37,600 --> 00:44:43,680
Speaker 1: despite their reputation, actually prefer cleanliness and mongooses love to

798
00:44:43,800 --> 00:44:49,319
Speaker 1: eat insects. So I think you probably see where I'm

799
00:44:49,320 --> 00:44:52,279
Speaker 1: going with this. They're gonna sing a song and eat

800
00:44:52,360 --> 00:44:56,680
Speaker 1: bugs under a rock and then take a shower together

801
00:44:56,840 --> 00:45:01,720
Speaker 1: as roommates. Now, so in the Queen Elizabeth National Park

802
00:45:01,800 --> 00:45:07,319
Speaker 1: in Uganda, common warthogs have formed a special bond with

803
00:45:07,560 --> 00:45:11,919
Speaker 1: banded mongooses. So banded mongooses are highly social. They're they're

804
00:45:11,960 --> 00:45:13,879
Speaker 1: similar to meerkats in a lot of ways in terms

805
00:45:13,880 --> 00:45:18,400
Speaker 1: of like they have this like social network, but like

806
00:45:18,480 --> 00:45:23,200
Speaker 1: the warthogs have also formed a relationship with these mongooses.

807
00:45:23,680 --> 00:45:26,680
Speaker 1: The warthogs will lie down and patiently wait for a

808
00:45:26,719 --> 00:45:29,279
Speaker 1: pack of mongooses to swarm them. The mongoose is just

809
00:45:29,360 --> 00:45:32,799
Speaker 1: like dog pile this warhog. And for a minute you're like,

810
00:45:32,800 --> 00:45:36,160
Speaker 1: oh God, what's happening. Are they about to like attack

811
00:45:36,239 --> 00:45:40,920
Speaker 1: this warhog? But no, it's like puppies. It's like puppies,

812
00:45:41,040 --> 00:45:43,040
Speaker 1: but they are on a mission to eat all of

813
00:45:43,080 --> 00:45:47,000
Speaker 1: the ticks and parasites they find on the warthog. And

814
00:45:47,080 --> 00:45:52,640
Speaker 1: the warthog seems to like deeply enjoy this. He rolls over,

815
00:45:52,920 --> 00:45:56,440
Speaker 1: he like splays his legs out for them, lifts his arms,

816
00:45:56,520 --> 00:45:58,880
Speaker 1: let them get like in all the nooks and crannies,

817
00:45:59,840 --> 00:46:03,359
Speaker 1: and like it just like it seems like he's having

818
00:46:03,360 --> 00:46:07,160
Speaker 1: a really good time. And the mongy's the mongooses are

819
00:46:07,920 --> 00:46:10,520
Speaker 1: also like having a great time getting all those like

820
00:46:10,600 --> 00:46:14,200
Speaker 1: it must be really satisfying. It's like it's like sort

821
00:46:14,200 --> 00:46:15,600
Speaker 1: of you know, like when you like pick a part

822
00:46:15,600 --> 00:46:18,759
Speaker 1: of pomegranate or like pick sesame, so it's off of

823
00:46:18,760 --> 00:46:19,160
Speaker 1: a bun.

824
00:46:19,400 --> 00:46:22,880
Speaker 2: It's like for me, every I've seen I've seen like

825
00:46:22,880 --> 00:46:25,920
Speaker 2: like turtles and other things get like barnacles taken off

826
00:46:25,920 --> 00:46:29,040
Speaker 2: of them, like I seen a lot of those videos. Yeah, yeah,

827
00:46:29,160 --> 00:46:32,120
Speaker 2: it also is like weirdly addicting, like the Pimple popper videos.

828
00:46:32,280 --> 00:46:33,359
Speaker 2: I can't baracles.

829
00:46:33,400 --> 00:46:35,960
Speaker 1: I can't deal with those. I can't. I can't.

830
00:46:36,040 --> 00:46:38,880
Speaker 2: I usually can't. And like, honestly, the couple of barnacle

831
00:46:39,320 --> 00:46:40,920
Speaker 2: videos that I've seen, I'm like, they're stuck in my

832
00:46:40,920 --> 00:46:42,200
Speaker 2: head and I don't want to see them again.

833
00:46:42,280 --> 00:46:45,040
Speaker 1: Them bar but you mean barnacles off of like turtles.

834
00:46:45,080 --> 00:46:47,960
Speaker 1: That seems I feel like I could deal with barnacles

835
00:46:48,320 --> 00:46:51,200
Speaker 1: and stuff, but for some reason, pimples are too juicy

836
00:46:51,239 --> 00:46:53,080
Speaker 1: for me to deal with. I can't. I can't.

837
00:46:53,480 --> 00:46:55,600
Speaker 2: I can't know the barnacles are pretty bad too, It's

838
00:46:55,600 --> 00:46:56,160
Speaker 2: pretty hard.

839
00:46:56,600 --> 00:46:59,400
Speaker 1: Out of morbid curiosity, I did like watch like one

840
00:46:59,440 --> 00:47:01,160
Speaker 1: of those pimple videos. It was like, this is way

841
00:47:01,200 --> 00:47:03,359
Speaker 1: too juicy. I can't. I can't deal with that.

842
00:47:03,440 --> 00:47:07,320
Speaker 2: I feel physically okay, Yeah, but that's but this also

843
00:47:07,360 --> 00:47:11,840
Speaker 2: reminds me of pedicures. Yeah, this also reminds me of

844
00:47:11,840 --> 00:47:15,080
Speaker 2: those pedicures where the fish eat off of your yeah

845
00:47:15,080 --> 00:47:16,840
Speaker 2: sid skin or whatever. Yeah.

846
00:47:16,960 --> 00:47:19,640
Speaker 1: I feel like I've read something about how that doesn't

847
00:47:19,640 --> 00:47:23,000
Speaker 1: actually do anything and the fish aren't necessarily having a

848
00:47:23,000 --> 00:47:26,360
Speaker 1: good time. So I don't know if I would I

849
00:47:26,360 --> 00:47:29,440
Speaker 1: don't know if i'd personally recommend it, but it probably

850
00:47:29,440 --> 00:47:31,759
Speaker 1: feels wild as heck like i'd be I would be

851
00:47:31,840 --> 00:47:34,960
Speaker 1: very curious to know what that feels like. I also

852
00:47:35,000 --> 00:47:36,480
Speaker 1: would be curious to know what it feels like to

853
00:47:36,520 --> 00:47:39,480
Speaker 1: have a pack of mongooses, like try to pick like

854
00:47:39,560 --> 00:47:46,319
Speaker 1: ticks all off of me. That seems either really it

855
00:47:46,400 --> 00:47:49,200
Speaker 1: might either be really tickling and uncomfortable or just like

856
00:47:49,680 --> 00:47:52,480
Speaker 1: very much like spot ay and stuff. I don't I

857
00:47:52,480 --> 00:47:54,880
Speaker 1: don't know a lot of like spa day stuff. I

858
00:47:54,920 --> 00:47:57,759
Speaker 1: feel kind of uncomfortable with people like fussing over me.

859
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Speaker 1: But I feel like if it was a spa and

860
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Speaker 1: by mongoose's I'd be into that.

861
00:48:05,160 --> 00:48:10,800
Speaker 2: Yeah, I uh think it's cute that this warthog is

862
00:48:10,880 --> 00:48:13,520
Speaker 2: named Miss Piggy and the mongoose is just named mongo

863
00:48:14,160 --> 00:48:19,239
Speaker 2: Like they really gave up wait they named there's like

864
00:48:19,480 --> 00:48:24,239
Speaker 2: there's a conservation where they have like a warthog mongoose pair.

865
00:48:25,080 --> 00:48:30,680
Speaker 2: Cute mongo The mongoose looks like Timone honestly.

866
00:48:30,960 --> 00:48:34,000
Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean they're striped. They were so close. Disney

867
00:48:34,080 --> 00:48:36,799
Speaker 1: was so close to greatness. If they had like had

868
00:48:37,360 --> 00:48:41,759
Speaker 1: if they had the courage right to just make them

869
00:48:41,800 --> 00:48:48,120
Speaker 1: a gay couple, be accurate mongoose, and then they adopt uh,

870
00:48:48,520 --> 00:48:54,359
Speaker 1: what's his name, Matthew Broderick, Simba, Simba, you know.

871
00:48:54,480 --> 00:48:56,719
Speaker 2: But then Simba goes back to his family and like

872
00:48:56,840 --> 00:48:59,000
Speaker 2: leaves them, and it's like, don't forget your gay uncles.

873
00:48:59,480 --> 00:49:02,080
Speaker 1: Come on. I mean I think they were. I think

874
00:49:02,120 --> 00:49:05,600
Speaker 1: they were like invited to come and they did and

875
00:49:05,680 --> 00:49:07,840
Speaker 1: they were but right, and they had to.

876
00:49:08,400 --> 00:49:09,880
Speaker 2: Go hang out with lions.

877
00:49:09,960 --> 00:49:12,520
Speaker 1: They had a whole dance routine worked out to like

878
00:49:12,600 --> 00:49:16,319
Speaker 1: distract the hyenas where like that they didn't even really

879
00:49:16,360 --> 00:49:19,520
Speaker 1: have to communicate about. So clearly they practiced on it.

880
00:49:19,600 --> 00:49:22,160
Speaker 1: And you want us to believe that they're just roommates,

881
00:49:22,840 --> 00:49:23,160
Speaker 1: this is.

882
00:49:23,280 --> 00:49:25,440
Speaker 2: That has to be based on like what is it

883
00:49:25,600 --> 00:49:28,360
Speaker 2: the which one was the Robin Williams Nathan Lane? Was

884
00:49:28,400 --> 00:49:33,600
Speaker 2: that bird cage or yes? A couple?

885
00:49:33,880 --> 00:49:42,000
Speaker 1: Yes, yes, they were bird cage codes. Yeah yeah, yeah, yeah,

886
00:49:42,200 --> 00:49:45,959
Speaker 1: you're completely right. You're completely right about that. I never

887
00:49:46,200 --> 00:49:49,480
Speaker 1: made that connection. But yes, I wonder if they I

888
00:49:49,480 --> 00:49:51,520
Speaker 1: don't know, I don't know if they tried to get

889
00:49:51,840 --> 00:49:54,480
Speaker 1: Robin Williams for that. He already did the genie stuff,

890
00:49:54,560 --> 00:49:56,560
Speaker 1: so maybe they thought that was too. I don't remember.

891
00:49:56,600 --> 00:49:58,799
Speaker 2: I thought a lot of the whole thing where like

892
00:49:58,880 --> 00:50:03,600
Speaker 2: Disney screwed over it was, which is why there's like

893
00:50:03,640 --> 00:50:06,000
Speaker 2: a whole thing about voiceover and how it's changed to

894
00:50:06,560 --> 00:50:10,080
Speaker 2: celebrities rather than like voice actors. There's a documentary on

895
00:50:10,120 --> 00:50:12,080
Speaker 2: YouTube that's really interesting about it.

896
00:50:12,760 --> 00:50:17,919
Speaker 1: Everything is Chris Pratt. Now like everyone, Yeah, Chris, I'm

897
00:50:17,960 --> 00:50:21,320
Speaker 1: being voiced by christ.

898
00:50:20,960 --> 00:50:23,080
Speaker 2: Oh my god. Wait, he's a lot more talented than

899
00:50:23,080 --> 00:50:27,800
Speaker 2: I thought. But it's But they also screwed Robin Williams

900
00:50:27,840 --> 00:50:29,759
Speaker 2: over because he said he would do it if they

901
00:50:29,760 --> 00:50:34,600
Speaker 2: didn't like sell like things of his character, and they

902
00:50:34,880 --> 00:50:37,880
Speaker 2: like just were like fuck that, like they they and

903
00:50:37,920 --> 00:50:40,759
Speaker 2: immediately yeah, it's fine, and then immediately turn around and

904
00:50:40,800 --> 00:50:44,000
Speaker 2: monetized everything because he was also doing Ferngully at the

905
00:50:44,040 --> 00:50:47,920
Speaker 2: same time. I think. But yeah, so that that is.

906
00:50:48,640 --> 00:50:50,920
Speaker 2: I don't think he wanted to work with Disney in

907
00:50:50,960 --> 00:50:52,440
Speaker 2: the same way after that.

908
00:50:52,440 --> 00:50:56,400
Speaker 1: That's that's that's solid. Robin Williams seems like he was

909
00:50:56,440 --> 00:51:02,080
Speaker 1: a real real one, a gem, truly a gem, and

910
00:51:02,160 --> 00:51:06,600
Speaker 1: the gauntlet of comedy gloves that Thanos Where's I don't know.

911
00:51:06,640 --> 00:51:09,239
Speaker 1: I shouldn't have done that. I regret it's so bad.

912
00:51:12,480 --> 00:51:14,640
Speaker 1: So before we go, we got a play a little

913
00:51:14,680 --> 00:51:17,279
Speaker 1: game called Guess who squawk and the Mystery Animal Sound Game.

914
00:51:17,280 --> 00:51:19,080
Speaker 1: Every week I play a mystery animal sound and you

915
00:51:19,160 --> 00:51:21,000
Speaker 1: the listener, and you the guests, try to guess who

916
00:51:21,040 --> 00:51:24,440
Speaker 1: is making that sound. It can be any animal and

917
00:51:24,560 --> 00:51:30,520
Speaker 1: the world on the world, slightly above the world, you know,

918
00:51:30,920 --> 00:51:34,759
Speaker 1: basically anything. If we find alien life, it could be

919
00:51:34,800 --> 00:51:38,680
Speaker 1: that too, so keep that in mind. The hint for

920
00:51:39,239 --> 00:51:43,320
Speaker 1: last time, mister animal sound was this. Uh. It was

921
00:51:43,360 --> 00:51:47,080
Speaker 1: also whips. Oh god, oh no, I'm playing it too soon.

922
00:51:47,560 --> 00:51:50,720
Speaker 1: Oh god, hang on, ignore that. It's fun. It's it's

923
00:51:51,000 --> 00:51:52,319
Speaker 1: I mean, you don't have any more of that, but

924
00:51:52,400 --> 00:51:54,759
Speaker 1: let me retake that. So I learned. I learned about

925
00:51:54,800 --> 00:51:56,680
Speaker 1: this from my guest U Karajaimo.

926
00:51:57,000 --> 00:51:57,640
Speaker 2: Uh.

927
00:51:57,680 --> 00:52:00,880
Speaker 1: And it's a great sound. The hint is this Holy

928
00:52:01,239 --> 00:52:10,040
Speaker 1: Raythans batman. And here is this man? All right? Do

929
00:52:10,080 --> 00:52:12,040
Speaker 1: you hear the sort of croaking sound, not the not

930
00:52:12,200 --> 00:52:15,120
Speaker 1: the myriad seagulls in the background croaking?

931
00:52:15,560 --> 00:52:23,759
Speaker 2: Interesting clue? Yeah, am I supposed to guess? Or yes,

932
00:52:23,800 --> 00:52:27,160
Speaker 2: I forget it? Oh I guess. Okay, So there's seagulls.

933
00:52:27,360 --> 00:52:31,680
Speaker 2: So it is by the ocean. And you said croaking.

934
00:52:31,920 --> 00:52:38,279
Speaker 2: It did kind of like a little croaking honk. So

935
00:52:38,320 --> 00:52:41,520
Speaker 2: it's some sort of what do frogs live by the ocean?

936
00:52:41,960 --> 00:52:50,640
Speaker 2: M I don't m some sort of amp broaking hmmm.

937
00:52:51,560 --> 00:52:54,719
Speaker 2: I want to say it's some sort of I feel

938
00:52:54,719 --> 00:52:56,399
Speaker 2: like it's something in the ocean because I don't think

939
00:52:56,400 --> 00:52:57,480
Speaker 2: it's like the birds.

940
00:52:57,800 --> 00:52:59,640
Speaker 1: It's me, Chris Pratt. I'm playing.

941
00:53:00,280 --> 00:53:01,120
Speaker 2: It's Chris Pratt.

942
00:53:01,160 --> 00:53:02,080
Speaker 1: It's Chris Pratt.

943
00:53:03,239 --> 00:53:05,560
Speaker 2: Okay, I guess. My guess is it's some sort of

944
00:53:06,040 --> 00:53:07,920
Speaker 2: amphibious being by the ocean.

945
00:53:08,080 --> 00:53:11,680
Speaker 1: Interesting and amphibious being, you mean, Chris Pratt. So this

946
00:53:11,800 --> 00:53:15,080
Speaker 1: is this is actually the sea robin. It is a

947
00:53:15,120 --> 00:53:19,480
Speaker 1: family of fish found in tropical waters all over the world.

948
00:53:19,560 --> 00:53:22,040
Speaker 1: It is about, you know, the size of an adult

949
00:53:22,239 --> 00:53:26,759
Speaker 1: human's hand. It's got a face like.

950
00:53:26,239 --> 00:53:30,560
Speaker 2: God, you okay, the face. This thing looks weird as

951
00:53:30,760 --> 00:53:31,960
Speaker 2: it looks like it has feet.

952
00:53:32,600 --> 00:53:35,760
Speaker 1: It feet, Yeah, yeah, so.

953
00:53:36,719 --> 00:53:39,680
Speaker 2: A fish with feet. This was like the evolution.

954
00:53:40,360 --> 00:53:43,480
Speaker 1: Yeah. So it's got these wing like fins that often

955
00:53:43,520 --> 00:53:47,960
Speaker 1: have orange coloration. Thus it's named sea robin. When they're distressed,

956
00:53:48,160 --> 00:53:51,480
Speaker 1: such as uh, being in a bucket or you know,

957
00:53:51,800 --> 00:53:53,920
Speaker 1: I think in this video like it's sort of flopping

958
00:53:53,960 --> 00:53:55,960
Speaker 1: around on the ground, which makes me sad for it.

959
00:53:56,400 --> 00:53:58,640
Speaker 1: But they make this very angry little sound. It's like

960
00:53:58,640 --> 00:54:03,560
Speaker 1: a little and yeah, they have feats. They have these

961
00:54:03,600 --> 00:54:08,200
Speaker 1: three walking rays, like these fins on each of their

962
00:54:08,239 --> 00:54:11,319
Speaker 1: side that they used to walk along the seafloor. They

963
00:54:11,360 --> 00:54:14,160
Speaker 1: actually have chema receptors on these fins that allow them

964
00:54:14,200 --> 00:54:18,239
Speaker 1: to quote unquote taste things on the floor. Uh, to

965
00:54:18,360 --> 00:54:19,120
Speaker 1: detect prey.

966
00:54:19,600 --> 00:54:23,520
Speaker 2: I do have a tongue on my feet. I'd give up. Yeah,

967
00:54:23,640 --> 00:54:26,279
Speaker 2: I'm not doing that. That's now see you.

968
00:54:26,680 --> 00:54:30,439
Speaker 1: But I'm ahead of that because like I'm anticipating that's

969
00:54:30,480 --> 00:54:32,640
Speaker 1: gonna happen next for us in evolution. So I just

970
00:54:32,760 --> 00:54:38,520
Speaker 1: like the floor. I'm really sorry to do this to you,

971
00:54:38,640 --> 00:54:43,200
Speaker 1: but I am sending you a link of this sea

972
00:54:43,320 --> 00:54:48,200
Speaker 1: robin walking on the sea floor and it's why well,

973
00:54:49,160 --> 00:54:55,920
Speaker 1: oh it's coming towards me. It's very funny. It's like dumb,

974
00:54:56,000 --> 00:54:58,960
Speaker 1: dumb and scary. I don't like do you remember.

975
00:54:58,760 --> 00:55:01,399
Speaker 2: The toy story, like the Barbie thing.

976
00:55:01,760 --> 00:55:04,879
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, yeah, there's like the baby doll head.

977
00:55:05,280 --> 00:55:07,640
Speaker 2: Yeah, the baby the baby doll head was just like

978
00:55:07,640 --> 00:55:11,640
Speaker 2: a dumb fish. Jar jar beats jar Jarbanks face. Yeah,

979
00:55:11,640 --> 00:55:15,520
Speaker 2: it's like jar Jerbinks's first stage of evolution when he's

980
00:55:15,600 --> 00:55:18,279
Speaker 2: a little less annoying. I was kind of right about

981
00:55:18,280 --> 00:55:20,040
Speaker 2: it being an amphibian. I know you said it's a fish,

982
00:55:20,080 --> 00:55:21,759
Speaker 2: but it's so I'm counting that.

983
00:55:21,840 --> 00:55:25,160
Speaker 1: I'll give you that, and your prize is this video

984
00:55:25,320 --> 00:55:28,279
Speaker 1: of it walking around the seafloor, which will never leave

985
00:55:28,320 --> 00:55:30,560
Speaker 1: your brain. You'll think about it in the dead of night.

986
00:55:32,000 --> 00:55:36,960
Speaker 2: Barnacles video in my head. Those memories are changing, they're shifting.

987
00:55:37,040 --> 00:55:40,080
Speaker 1: They're shifting now. Now now it's just Barnacles walking with

988
00:55:40,160 --> 00:55:42,680
Speaker 1: a bunch of little week Oh god, oh god.

989
00:55:43,080 --> 00:55:45,680
Speaker 2: Okay, So end of podcast.

990
00:55:46,400 --> 00:55:49,880
Speaker 1: On this makes mister Anna's animals sound. The hint is this.

991
00:55:50,000 --> 00:55:53,799
Speaker 1: It's creepy, it's crawley, it hails from Madagascar, and it

992
00:55:53,800 --> 00:55:58,880
Speaker 1: does not like to be poked. All right, did you

993
00:55:58,920 --> 00:55:59,200
Speaker 1: hear that?

994
00:55:59,840 --> 00:56:02,520
Speaker 2: I feel like some sort of like tarantula or bug

995
00:56:06,040 --> 00:56:07,120
Speaker 2: like freaks me out.

996
00:56:08,400 --> 00:56:11,520
Speaker 1: Interesting. Well, you'll find out next time on a Creature

997
00:56:11,600 --> 00:56:15,400
Speaker 1: feature where I will reveal who was squawking. If you

998
00:56:15,480 --> 00:56:19,680
Speaker 1: think you know, write to me at Creature featurepot at

999
00:56:19,719 --> 00:56:24,920
Speaker 1: gmail dot com. Do it eat Cowards. Sorry, I didn't

1000
00:56:24,920 --> 00:56:30,560
Speaker 1: mean that I love you guys working cowards. I didn't

1001
00:56:30,640 --> 00:56:33,919
Speaker 1: mean it. I love you. But you can also write

1002
00:56:33,920 --> 00:56:36,840
Speaker 1: to me your animal questions. Occasionally I will do a

1003
00:56:37,880 --> 00:56:42,239
Speaker 1: Listener Questions episode where I answer your animal questions. You

1004
00:56:42,239 --> 00:56:46,160
Speaker 1: can send me pat photos. Hey, if you made your

1005
00:56:46,160 --> 00:56:49,960
Speaker 1: animal participate in Halloween, send big photos of that too,

1006
00:56:50,000 --> 00:56:55,280
Speaker 1: That's probably funny. And hey, Blavie, thank you so much

1007
00:56:55,360 --> 00:56:59,200
Speaker 1: for joining us today. You are so talented. Where can

1008
00:56:59,239 --> 00:56:59,920
Speaker 1: people find you?

1009
00:57:01,160 --> 00:57:03,719
Speaker 2: Thank you so much? Your talented?

1010
00:57:03,840 --> 00:57:08,040
Speaker 1: Please Pratt stop? Yeah, I'm Chris Pratt. I'm in this one.

1011
00:57:07,840 --> 00:57:11,160
Speaker 2: Too, Mama Mia.

1012
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Speaker 3: N everywhere. I do run a show with my friends

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Speaker 3: called Facial Recognition Comedy at the Comedy Store the third

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Speaker 3: Friday of every month. You can also follow Facial Recognition Comedy.

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Speaker 3: But yeah, the more you follow me and share my content,

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Speaker 3: the more likely I am to be able to tour

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Speaker 3: and sell tickets and eventually maybe buy a house with

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00:57:36,280 --> 00:57:37,440
Speaker 3: a yard for my dogs.

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Speaker 1: Do it, do it?

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Speaker 2: Do it?

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Speaker 1: Do it. We We're We're We're just We're just a

1024
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Speaker 1: couple of content creators looking at you the audience wishing

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Speaker 1: that we had yards.

1026
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Speaker 2: So we're we're content creators. We're not content creators.

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Speaker 1: That's beautiful, bus that's oh poetic. I'm gonna cry. Thank

1028
00:58:03,040 --> 00:58:05,960
Speaker 1: you guys for listening. If you're enjoying the show, if

1029
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Speaker 1: you leave a writing or review, it tangibly helps me.

1030
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Speaker 1: It tells the algorithm that people care. Even if you're like,

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Speaker 1: if you leave a like five star review and then

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Speaker 1: the comment you're like, eat my butt, that's fine too.

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Speaker 1: Honestly I respect that because that still helps me. Also,

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Speaker 1: you know, like I read all of them, and I

1035
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Speaker 1: really appreciate your feedback in kind comments. You need some

1036
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Speaker 1: constructive feedback. I appreciate that too. And thanks to the

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Speaker 1: or Hey Guess what why of you listen to your

1045
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Speaker 1: favorite shows. I'm not your mother. I can't tell you

1046
00:59:04,080 --> 00:59:07,320
Speaker 1: what to do other than don't hug a polar bear.

1047
00:59:07,720 --> 00:59:11,120
Speaker 1: You're a snack to that polar bear. But maybe do

1048
00:59:11,360 --> 00:59:15,240
Speaker 1: watch a video of a c robin skittering around on

1049
00:59:15,320 --> 00:59:18,760
Speaker 1: the ocean floor, just so you never sleep again. See

1050
00:59:18,800 --> 00:59:19,280
Speaker 1: you next one.

1051
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Speaker 2: Adopt a husky.

1052
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Speaker 1: Adopt bear. Yeah, I mean it's like a second degree, right,

1053
00:59:25,440 --> 00:59:28,200
Speaker 1: like the husky. Yeah, that's basically and then you hug

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Speaker 1: the husky. So there you go, seven degrees of Kevin Bacon,

1055
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Speaker 1: but with polar bears and husky. See you next Wednesday.

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Speaker 1: Bye Ny.