Speaker 1: Welcome to Creature feature production of iHeartRadio. I'm your host
Speaker 1: of Mini Putt. I'm your host of Many Parasites. Katie Golden.
Speaker 1: I studied psychology and evolutionary biology, and today on this show,
Speaker 1: we are looking at animals that are peeled right off
Speaker 1: of the page of a Lisa Frank notebook. These are
Speaker 1: animals that you would not expect to be so vibrantly
Speaker 1: rainbow colored hued, and yet they are so. We will
Speaker 1: talk about pink dolphins, multi colored primates, even a squirrel
Speaker 1: and a pigeon which you would not expect to be
Speaker 1: so very Lisa Frank. Discover this in more as we
Speaker 1: answer the age old question why is it important to
Speaker 1: have a rainbow But joining me today is friend of
Speaker 1: the podcast, also friend of meet Katie and all around
Speaker 1: awesome person producer at iHeartRadio. You know her, you love her? Joe. Well, welcome, Hey.
Speaker 2: How's it going.
Speaker 3: I'm so excited to talk Lisa Frank.
Speaker 1: Were you a big Lisa Frank fan back in the day?
Speaker 3: Yeah, okay, so the way Lisa Frank folders, binders, trapper
Speaker 3: keepers were a premium right like, they were not cheap.
Speaker 3: So my mom would let me get like two Lisa
Speaker 3: Frank things. So she was like, you gotta get these
Speaker 3: regular ninety nine cent folders, but if you want one
Speaker 3: Lisa Frank.
Speaker 2: Folder and a Trapper keeper or two weeks.
Speaker 3: Of Frank folder, like, you could have two things maximum.
Speaker 3: And I coveted them so bad. I typically went with
Speaker 3: a dolphin or a snow leopard as they were topics
Speaker 3: and yeah, so super cute to look at, but yeah,
Speaker 3: I mean adorable animals, cute psychedelic backgrounds. Very my lane
Speaker 3: as a child, and you know, to be fair to today,
Speaker 3: still love me alas a Frank.
Speaker 1: They are very cool kid. I never actually bought this
Speaker 1: stuff so much. I don't know why. I think, I
Speaker 1: just it never occurred to me that I could do
Speaker 1: such a thing. But I would passively stare at other
Speaker 1: kids binders that had the least Frank designs on them.
Speaker 1: I might have gotten like one or two things over
Speaker 1: the years. I don't really remember, but I remember just
Speaker 1: kind of like the making me hungry because everything looks
Speaker 1: like it was made out of candy or something.
Speaker 2: It was just so, it was.
Speaker 1: So it was so they were just so glossy and
Speaker 1: edible looking. I also just I thought I think I
Speaker 1: found it very strange as a kid, this idea of
Speaker 1: like mammals being brightly colored, because you know, you're used
Speaker 1: to like maybe fish and even birds being colored, but
Speaker 1: like mammals, it was a It was a weird concept
Speaker 1: for there to be a rainbow colored like a leopard
Speaker 1: or dolphin.
Speaker 2: It was not, as you might say, logical.
Speaker 3: It's very illogical, yeah, coloring, But I think that's sort
Speaker 3: of what I loved about it.
Speaker 2: There's a.
Speaker 3: Like hyperrealism, fantasy sort of element happening where why not
Speaker 3: a taied die cheetah Here unicorns are very real and
Speaker 3: they're gorgeous. I like that her unicorns were white, but
Speaker 3: it was their tails and their mains that were tied.
Speaker 2: Ie super bright colors.
Speaker 3: I just think it's fun to look at and pretend
Speaker 3: you're in a world where there are mega waterfalls and
Speaker 3: aliens driving like what do you call those punch buggies.
Speaker 2: Everything about Lisa S.
Speaker 3: Frank's world was just gorgeous and peaceful and exuberantly vibrant,
Speaker 3: and I appreciate that to this day.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I think it's a really lovely art style. I
Speaker 1: think when I was a kid back in the nineties,
Speaker 1: I feel like girls in terms of sort of being
Speaker 1: classified into like animal obsessives, were either super into horses
Speaker 1: or super into dolphins. I don't know why that happened,
Speaker 1: but that like when I was a kid, it was
Speaker 1: you were either in horse camp or dolphin camp.
Speaker 2: I personally would had.
Speaker 1: No you had to either be a horse girl or
Speaker 1: a dolphin girl. I was like into cats because I
Speaker 1: had a cat, but I felt like horses and dolphins
Speaker 1: were like the thing, right, Like if you had a Barbie,
Speaker 1: you could get her a horse or you could get
Speaker 1: her a dolphin. For some reason, I don't know why
Speaker 1: Barfi Barbie could have a dolphin. Maybe it was Skipper
Speaker 1: who had a dolphin's.
Speaker 3: I think it had something to do with all of
Speaker 3: us wanting to be marine biologists. I don't know who
Speaker 3: planted this idea in children's heads, but for a while,
Speaker 3: it was like, you be a horse girl lover and
Speaker 3: you wanted to sort of like work on a ranch
Speaker 3: and like live in the wild West and tame wild horses.
Speaker 3: Black Beauty was obviously a staple for many of us
Speaker 3: in our youth, whether it was the classic black Beauty
Speaker 3: film or you're reading the novel. I think it really
Speaker 3: cemented this idea of running away and racing horses. And
Speaker 3: then or you were a marine biology camp and you're like,
Speaker 3: I will swim under the ocean sort of be a mermaid,
Speaker 3: but not really also super smart scientist, and there'll be
Speaker 3: very cute dolphins who make the best little sounds and
Speaker 3: do tricks. This was before we knew see world was
Speaker 3: a terrible place.
Speaker 1: Guys.
Speaker 3: We were children and dolphins were doing dope tricks and
Speaker 3: you could be their trainer and they would high five
Speaker 3: you if you fed them a fish. And it was
Speaker 3: really we were living in a dream world. And I
Speaker 3: really think that's what separated and divided the camps, is
Speaker 3: like you were either into the rune biology of it,
Speaker 3: or you were prepared to live.
Speaker 2: On a farm.
Speaker 3: I didn't like the smell of horses. At first I
Speaker 3: thought I might be a horse girl. But then I
Speaker 3: went to ride horse, says I said, it smells awful.
Speaker 2: I hate it.
Speaker 3: Also, they were really tall and I was scared to heights,
Speaker 3: so horses were hard for me. My mom's a horse girl,
Speaker 3: she was disappointed. But I came a dolphin girl very early.
Speaker 3: And then Lisa Frank can introduce me to the snow leopard,
Speaker 3: And I said, is there a more beautiful creature on
Speaker 3: God's Earth?
Speaker 2: There isn't so.
Speaker 1: Fussy. Yeah, if I had to be in either horse
Speaker 1: girl or dolphin girl camp, and probably be dolphin girl
Speaker 1: as well, because horses intimidate me. I'm thoroughly intimidated by horses.
Speaker 1: I can see the like they're so muscular, and then
Speaker 1: they have really hard nails for feet, and so they
Speaker 1: can just they could like hit you and permanently cave
Speaker 1: in your head. I do not find that peaceful. I
Speaker 1: find that intimidating. Whereas dolphins, I don't know. I guess
Speaker 1: a dolphin could drown you, but I don't think they
Speaker 1: typically do.
Speaker 3: I know that we don't see that in our culture
Speaker 3: a lot, and in our dolphin me Typically dolphins are
Speaker 3: very kind, loving, sweet creatures, whereas horses are temperamental creatures
Speaker 3: in a lot of our media, like there, you're like, oh,
Speaker 3: you gotta be careful because they're wild spirits. They might
Speaker 3: buck you off. You know, you got you gotta be
Speaker 3: careful with a horse. My mom got kicked in the
Speaker 3: shin by a horse. Oh no, teenager, so she has
Speaker 3: a permanent horseshoe imprint on her shin. She likes to
Speaker 3: think it's lucky. I said, you were kicked by a
Speaker 3: horse in the shin.
Speaker 1: I hate it when stuff happens to the shin because
Speaker 1: it's like one of the bones where it's like right there,
Speaker 1: there's nothing. There's like a thin layer of skin and
Speaker 1: tissue covering it, but there's no cushion. It's just a
Speaker 1: bone there. And I hate it. I hate but I'm
Speaker 1: shaving my legs. I hate shaving over it because I'm like,
Speaker 1: that's there's a bone right there, Like it's not that
Speaker 1: far delicate bone, so like I do have a horse
Speaker 1: kicking right I want to throw up. Anyways, it's horrible.
Speaker 1: It's a lot that's horrible. It's so funny because I
Speaker 1: have like such a tall I have such a tolerance
Speaker 1: and love for a weird, disgusting animal, spiders, snakes, everything.
Speaker 1: And then you're like, it's like with horses, I'm just like,
Speaker 1: I don't know about horses. Man. I like them. I
Speaker 1: like looking at them. I respect them. That's the thing
Speaker 1: is like I don't fantasize about, like you know, being
Speaker 1: buddies with a horse because I respect them too much
Speaker 1: for that. They are thoroughly to me. They are intimidating
Speaker 1: enough that I want to give them like a wide berth.
Speaker 1: But yeah, dolphins are not as everyone knows like, They're
Speaker 1: not the sweet, peaceful creatures in terms of like other
Speaker 1: sea life. They're predators and so they like to play
Speaker 1: around with their food. They like to hunt, and but
Speaker 1: you know, in terms of their relationships with humans, they
Speaker 1: generally do not pose any threat to humans. They actually
Speaker 1: can be quite curious about humans, and they can be
Speaker 1: quite friendly. But the reason I bring up dolphins is
Speaker 1: I remember there were always these beautiful multi colored dolphins,
Speaker 1: sometimes like these pink dolphins that Lisa Frank would draw.
Speaker 1: And it turns out that Lisa Frank was not making
Speaker 1: this up. There indeed are pink dolphins. These are the
Speaker 1: Amazon River dolphins found in where else but the Amazon River.
Speaker 1: We have talked about these on the show before, but
Speaker 1: I mean, I think it's worth repeating information about pink
Speaker 1: dolphins as much as possible.
Speaker 3: I mean, look at how cute they are. Yes, they're
Speaker 3: so adorable. I think popular media has really let us
Speaker 3: down by not featuring more of these pink dolphins.
Speaker 2: You know, we see a.
Speaker 3: Ton of I don't want to call them regular bottle
Speaker 3: nose dolphins. I feel like, are maybe the ones.
Speaker 2: We see, yeah, the most your.
Speaker 3: Typical blue, white bellied looking thing, and they're cute. Listen,
Speaker 3: there's no dolphin shaming here. I'm just saying out in
Speaker 3: the world, there's a light pink dolphin who constantly looks
Speaker 3: like it's smiling and a little bit high. Its eyes
Speaker 3: are very small, and who it's precious. I would protect it.
Speaker 3: It should be a mascot for several different teams. People
Speaker 3: should be fighting over the rights to be like, no,
Speaker 3: we're the pink dolphins. Look at how perfect they are.
Speaker 2: It's away.
Speaker 1: It's so funny. It's so funny because we think of
Speaker 1: pink as this soft, cute color, right, Like something that's
Speaker 1: pink is sweet and cute, and of course with our culture,
Speaker 1: something like in modern sort of like Western culture, pink
Speaker 1: is like a girly color. I'm not saying it is, right.
Speaker 1: I don't put that kind of baggage on colors because
Speaker 1: I think pink is everyone's color. Anyone can like. I don't.
Speaker 1: I think it's weird to like limit what colors people
Speaker 1: can use. That's strange. But you know, our culture is like,
Speaker 1: you know, girls, pink, girls, pink. The thing is this
Speaker 1: pink for these Amazon river dolphins also known as the
Speaker 1: Boto river dolphins are a male characteristic. So the pink
Speaker 1: is a male characteristic because it is actually scar tissue
Speaker 1: as a result of fighting with other dolphins or with
Speaker 1: other creatures, and it's attractive to females because the more
Speaker 1: pink that they are from just this like frequent abrasion,
Speaker 1: because their tissue scar is very easily. This is an
Speaker 1: evolutionary trait and it will turn pink from all of
Speaker 1: this scarring. And so the brighter the pink from this
Speaker 1: skin irritation essentially from fights and shoving and rough housing
Speaker 1: is attractive to females. So this pink, basically, the pinker
Speaker 1: you are, the more like tough and aggressive you are,
Speaker 1: and the more rough and tough from anywhere from like
Speaker 1: just serious fighting to just kind of rough housing with
Speaker 1: other dolphins.
Speaker 3: So I was right, they are the perfect mascot. Yes,
Speaker 3: that's a bright neon pink dolphin mascot to be like, hey,
Speaker 3: we're ferocious, we'd be fighting all the time and the
Speaker 3: ladies love us.
Speaker 2: What about it?
Speaker 3: Like, my god, if I was starting a sports team tomorrow.
Speaker 2: This will be my mascot. Imagine the imagine the mascot
Speaker 2: super It's.
Speaker 1: Perfect, man, I am actually imagining it, and it's it's
Speaker 1: really funny because like these are these all dolphins alf
Speaker 1: have also have really fat foreheads and long snouts, so
Speaker 1: it's just they already are very goofy looking, so in
Speaker 1: mascot form with a human sort of awkwardly inside this
Speaker 1: like dolphin suit with the legs sticking out, perfect, just perfect.
Speaker 2: I am obsessed with this little guy. He's so cool.
Speaker 1: They also love.
Speaker 2: That his pinkness comes from fights.
Speaker 1: They are also drummers, so they will actually hold branches
Speaker 1: or pieces of vegetation in their mouths and then beat
Speaker 1: the water with that to impress the females. And like
Speaker 1: I mentioned before, dolphins are not known for their kindness
Speaker 1: to other creatures. They will sometimes lift live turtles up
Speaker 1: as a courtship as a courtship display, just because they're
Speaker 1: they're kind of jerks, but in a pretty cute way.
Speaker 3: Continuing on my mascot theme, imagine everybody gets a like
Speaker 3: leaf shaped tube. So in somebody's if it's basketball, someone's
Speaker 3: going to make a free throw. This is how we
Speaker 3: use our distraction. We're just mimicking the dolphins drumming style
Speaker 3: as a form of intimidation. Don't let us all whip
Speaker 3: out a turtle. It means it's over for you. It really,
Speaker 3: it truly means death, or we're about to enter recording ritual.
Speaker 3: Either way, very very dangerous time to be around us
Speaker 3: and dolphins.
Speaker 1: I'm seeing if anyone uses this dolphin as a mascot,
Speaker 1: I don't see. I don't see any like sports teams
Speaker 1: that do.
Speaker 2: I mean, like I'm trademarking it right now, and Hollywood WNBA,
Speaker 2: give me a team.
Speaker 1: I mean, Indigenous communities do appreciate these dolphins. I wouldn't
Speaker 1: say it's like a mascot, but there's a lot of
Speaker 1: folklore about them. So like Native Amazonian folklore has stories
Speaker 1: about these dolphins transforming into a human and coming out
Speaker 1: of the water with like a hat on their head
Speaker 1: to disguise the blowhole. I just love that. It's like
Speaker 1: it's like a transformation mermaid story. But like they keep
Speaker 1: the blowhole, Like they turn from a dolphin into a human,
Speaker 1: but there's no way for them to also get rid
Speaker 1: of that blowhole.
Speaker 3: All good magical tales have consequences. You can never fully
Speaker 3: hide true state of being.
Speaker 1: Yes, it's kind of like with AI. Now, like if
Speaker 1: they start making AI human clones, you just look at
Speaker 1: the number of fingers that they have or the number
Speaker 1: of teeth that they have to find it out. Also,
Speaker 1: they believe that they could turn into a beautiful woman
Speaker 1: who could seduce a married man. Uh, and then after
Speaker 1: having sex with him, turns him into a baby and
Speaker 1: then puts him inside his own wife's womb, so.
Speaker 2: You know, diabolically.
Speaker 1: Yeah, well, you know, I think that is It's an
Speaker 1: interesting concept. It actually sounds like the plot of Being
Speaker 1: John Malkovich.
Speaker 2: Right, I never understood the plot for Being John Malcovich.
Speaker 2: I'm going to take her word.
Speaker 1: I think it's Yeah. I think it's a river Dolphin
Speaker 1: place by Catherine Zeta Jones, who, uh, you're right, like
Speaker 1: and then she impregnates Uh.
Speaker 3: Yes, this is I haven't seen this movie in so long.
Speaker 3: Wait a minute, Okay, So here's the thing. Popular culture
Speaker 3: has given me a dolphin, and it gave it to
Speaker 3: me in the weirdest possible way. What I have to
Speaker 3: go back and watch it.
Speaker 1: John Malkovich doesn't actually have an Amazon river dolphin, but
Speaker 1: it does have Catherine Zeta Jones and gosh who's the
Speaker 1: other actress. They fall in love, but then one of
Speaker 1: them gets pregnant with their own ex boyfriend kind of
Speaker 1: or the ex boyfriend gets trapped inside their own baby
Speaker 1: but is not in control of the baby. It's weird,
Speaker 1: it's very it's a it's a weird movie. I highly
Speaker 1: recommend it. But essentially it's the same story indias. It's
Speaker 1: the same story as it's a folklore about this river dolphin,
Speaker 1: which in a kind of in a certain sense, it's
Speaker 1: the same story. But anyways, but yeah, they they really
Speaker 1: in real life. These dolphins pose no threat to humans.
Speaker 1: They can't transform you into a baby, but they don't
Speaker 1: do well in captivity and they can't be trained. They
Speaker 1: are fiercely independent pink battle dolphins.
Speaker 2: They saw what happened to their cousins and they were like,
Speaker 2: can't catch us.
Speaker 1: No, thank you?
Speaker 2: Who am not conformed?
Speaker 1: Yeah?
Speaker 2: Weird human ways?
Speaker 1: Yeah, free Willie, how about screw you? All Right, Well,
Speaker 1: we are going to take a quick break and then
Speaker 1: when we get back, we are going to talk about
Speaker 1: bright multi colored squirrels. So I want to talk about
Speaker 1: the Indian giant squirrel which has a beautiful coat. I
Speaker 1: have mentioned this before on other episodes, but again it's
Speaker 1: a giant, multicolored squirrel. I have to give it another
Speaker 1: shout out during the Lisa Frank episode. So this is
Speaker 1: a They live in tropical forests in the Indian subcontinent
Speaker 1: and they eat a lot of fruits nuts. They are,
Speaker 1: you know, your typical squirrel, but they are about a
Speaker 1: foot long from their nose to their butt, and then
Speaker 1: an extra foot for their tail, so they're about sixty
Speaker 1: centimeters total in length, which is about two feet, and
Speaker 1: they are they are a beautiful color combination. Joel, can
Speaker 1: you describe this squirrel to the listeners?
Speaker 3: Sure, it sort of looks like an outphant Meganus stallium
Speaker 3: would wear. It's like a very dark navy blue on
Speaker 3: top and bottom, and then in the middle it's like
Speaker 3: a beautiful mauve purple. It's not quite tigh eye, but
Speaker 3: more like ombre switching from one color to the other
Speaker 3: and then back to the original. I also really appreciate
Speaker 3: the coloring on its face. If you're into the tie
Speaker 3: dye makeups, definitely inspired by this creature.
Speaker 2: I'm talking like purple eye shadow.
Speaker 3: Also purple lips, but like pink maybe around the ears.
Speaker 3: Beautiful creature, gorgeous.
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's color coordination is really on point. It's kind
Speaker 1: of like jewel tones mixed with a few earth tones,
Speaker 1: which is very very cool. I didn't realize is there
Speaker 1: there's a tie dye makeup trend?
Speaker 3: Yeah, so there's if you're into maximalism, which I really am,
Speaker 3: A lot of folks are doing some very fun things
Speaker 3: with both, like their lips and their eyes.
Speaker 2: Whoa who You're putting on.
Speaker 3: A bunch of colors like around the eye or on
Speaker 3: the lips, sometimes both, and then blending it out to
Speaker 3: get like a tie dye effect.
Speaker 1: Oh my god, I'm looking at a picture of this.
Speaker 1: This is incredible. I like, this isn't fantastic. I feel
Speaker 1: blessed when I can do a wing that doesn't look
Speaker 1: like I just dragged a sharpie across my face, so
Speaker 1: I could never accomplish this, But this is that's amazing. Yeah,
Speaker 1: like just it's it looks like because it looks like
Speaker 1: they did the rainbow colors and then sort of like
Speaker 1: sort of dragged some kind of smudging tool to get
Speaker 1: that like tied eye swirl effect that's really cool.
Speaker 3: My favorite effect is sometimes they'll tape a piece of
Speaker 3: string and like wind it up and make kind of
Speaker 3: loop whoe and then tape it to the other side,
Speaker 3: and so then they'll do the makeup over the string
Speaker 3: and then just remove the string, so you get skin
Speaker 3: color as sort of the white tied eye line. Sometimes
Speaker 3: people will use a white Uh. If you did not
Speaker 3: come for the show for makeup, I'm so sorry, But
Speaker 3: here we are. He's like a white eyeliner to sort
Speaker 3: of highlight and make some cool color swishiness amongst all
Speaker 3: the colors.
Speaker 1: This show is all about how animals and humans aren't
Speaker 1: so different and the fact that we love to put
Speaker 1: color on our face. Animals also are these beautiful colors. Look,
Speaker 1: it's just I think it's super creative and super awesome
Speaker 1: what people do with makeup.
Speaker 2: Can I ask you a question?
Speaker 3: This coloring is so bold and unique, and I know
Speaker 3: it lives in the India subcontinent and there are very
Speaker 3: bold and beautiful colors in the forest there. But this
Speaker 3: guy sticks out like you would see him if he
Speaker 3: was running around.
Speaker 2: There's no bunding in for this little dude.
Speaker 3: Is this specifically for mating is because it can't be
Speaker 3: for hiding.
Speaker 1: Well, that's what's interesting is that sometimes coloration to our
Speaker 1: eyes will look like something that stands out that could
Speaker 1: not possibly camouflage them, but then to their predators, because
Speaker 1: they have a different different types of vision, like they
Speaker 1: don't have the kind of color vision that we have.
Speaker 1: Something like this, like this blocky, patchy coloration with a
Speaker 1: lighter under belly and a darker thought might actually be
Speaker 1: harder to spot because like if you have a light
Speaker 1: belly and a dark top, Like if you have light
Speaker 1: coming in from a top source, say like you're in
Speaker 1: a rainforest, right and light is coming filtering through the
Speaker 1: leaves above, and so when you look up, things are lighter,
Speaker 1: and when you look down kind of like things are
Speaker 1: patchier and more like the shadow lights up on them.
Speaker 1: So something that has a light belly but then sort
Speaker 1: of a blocky, darker top might actually be harder to spot,
Speaker 1: especially if your vision does not process the same range
Speaker 1: of colors as human vision. But it can also be
Speaker 1: for mate selection, right, like having a lot of colors
Speaker 1: like you have this sort of you have two needs
Speaker 1: that can be in conflict with each other. The need
Speaker 1: to not be eaten by a predator, but also the
Speaker 1: need to stand out and be noticed by a mate.
Speaker 1: So having coloration that attracts conspecifics like members of your
Speaker 1: own species that you want to make that you want
Speaker 1: to mate with, can be advantageous, but it's balanced with
Speaker 1: not wanting to be spotted by predators. So sometimes you
Speaker 1: have animals who are brightly colored in certain ways, but
Speaker 1: also maybe their coloration is in certain sort of like
Speaker 1: blocky patches, so that it does somewhat break up the
Speaker 1: pattern of what shape they're supposed to be. Or they
Speaker 1: are really colorful and really conspicuous, but they have other
Speaker 1: methods of escape, such as being able to fly away
Speaker 1: or speed away very quickly, or they're really big and
Speaker 1: so they don't have to worry about predators.
Speaker 3: Is that I think, Okay, I'm having a vague memory,
Speaker 3: so maybe I'm wrong or conflating things, but like that's
Speaker 3: why zebras are colored the way they are, right Like
Speaker 3: when tigers see them, it's like all green to them.
Speaker 3: Is that I kind of blend in with the grass
Speaker 3: with they're black and white.
Speaker 1: So yeah, it's so it's disruptive coloration. So for zebras,
Speaker 1: they would mostly be concerned about lions, and for zebras,
Speaker 1: they're going to be in herds where they are, you know,
Speaker 1: kind of blending in with each other. So the idea
Speaker 1: is it's difficult for a lion or even something like
Speaker 1: a mosquito to differentiate a individual and to be able
Speaker 1: to tell which direction they're going in. It's there's something
Speaker 1: called a barber shop or barber shop poll illusion. It's
Speaker 1: like when you have the lines of the barber shop
Speaker 1: spinning around, sometimes you could interpret it as it going
Speaker 1: down or going up, just ending on kind of how
Speaker 1: you went or think about it. And that could be
Speaker 1: the case with zebras, where you have all these stripes,
Speaker 1: and so it makes it not only difficult to know
Speaker 1: where one individual starts and another one ends, but which
Speaker 1: direction the herd is moving or which in each individual
Speaker 1: and the herd is moving. And then so for like,
Speaker 1: that's one of the questions about why if tigers are
Speaker 1: so brightly colored right there, orange and black, so to
Speaker 1: us they just pop right out. We can see them
Speaker 1: really easily, or even like a leopard right like, they're
Speaker 1: so brightly colored. Wouldn't in their ambush predators, wouldn't their
Speaker 1: prey see them. Well, that has to do with the
Speaker 1: the way that the vision of most of their prey is,
Speaker 1: which is they they won't see so much the difference
Speaker 1: between oranges and greens, and so that orange and black
Speaker 1: striped coloration or that orange and black kind of dotted
Speaker 1: coloration will look like sort of a dappled light coming
Speaker 1: in in the in the jungle or in the forest
Speaker 1: and sort of like just light dappled greenery essentially, so
Speaker 1: they blend in really well, but not to us humans,
Speaker 1: which is good for us.
Speaker 3: We can tell the difference between orange and green. We
Speaker 3: can see it clear off. Yes, Okay, I definitely was
Speaker 3: conflating multiple stories in there.
Speaker 1: But they're all very interesting. Yeah, yeah, yeah, but you
Speaker 1: were thinking that is correct, that that is the same
Speaker 1: thing that I'm talking about. But yeah, speaking of sort
Speaker 1: of brightly colored little little forest animals, this is technically
Speaker 1: a bird, so it's not unusual for birds to be
Speaker 1: brightly colored. But the reason I'm bringing this one up
Speaker 1: is it's a pigeon, which we're so used to the drab,
Speaker 1: boring pigeons of our cities. I actually love them, but
Speaker 1: a lot of people find them, you know, they're gray
Speaker 1: so they're not usually that interesting.
Speaker 2: But these arts of the sky we used to call
Speaker 2: them in college.
Speaker 1: Yes, the flying rats. I actually quite love pigeons, but
Speaker 1: they are I wouldn't call them the most beautiful of birds.
Speaker 1: We do actually get a lot of color variations here
Speaker 1: because most city pigeons are actually descendants of domesticated pigeons,
Speaker 1: and so you actually do get like brown and white
Speaker 1: and you know, black, sort of like pigeons that have
Speaker 1: been bred specifically for their colors and then they're released
Speaker 1: into the wild and now are released out into the city,
Speaker 1: and now you have this feral pigeon population that has
Speaker 1: all these interesting colors. But this one looks like it's
Speaker 1: a Lisa Frank pigeon. If Lisa Frank ever drew a pigeon,
Speaker 1: which I don't think she did, but had she, it
Speaker 1: would look like this. It is like, it's a pigeon
Speaker 1: that looks like it's made out of sorbet. It's beautiful.
Speaker 3: It does, it does, guys. It has bright, hot pink feet.
Speaker 3: It does so its shoe game is on point. Also,
Speaker 3: so many colors neck one color like front, breast area,
Speaker 3: different color head, different multi colored wings and tail, vibrant sunning.
Speaker 2: Send it to New York Fashion Week. It's ready for
Speaker 2: its close up.
Speaker 1: So these pigeons are related to our city pigeons. They
Speaker 1: are found in Southeast Asia, and both males and females
Speaker 1: are colorful, but more so the males, because females are
Speaker 1: more just kind of variations of greens and yellows, whereas
Speaker 1: males are a variety of color. Their faces are powder blue,
Speaker 1: their neck is a lavender color, their chest is orange,
Speaker 1: their belly is green, their back is olive green. Their
Speaker 1: wings have these yellow stripes, and then under their tail
Speaker 1: is orange and their feet are hot pink. They are incredible.
Speaker 2: Truly a stunning bird.
Speaker 3: And there's a lot of competition for stunning birds, as
Speaker 3: we just discussed with the regular pigeons. You know, they
Speaker 3: look fine, Let's be real, they look fine. But when
Speaker 3: we're talking about freaking peacocks, and yeah, I don't know
Speaker 3: that whatever that one dancing bird in the Amazon is
Speaker 3: a competition is stiff. This guy a class of his own,
Speaker 3: truly unique. Have never seen a bird that looks anything
Speaker 3: like this just from a color perspective, and it's strange,
Speaker 3: I think, because it does just like a pigeon. I
Speaker 3: has like, what kind of bird this is? I would
Speaker 3: guess pigeon. It looks like a pigeon, but just like
Speaker 3: a pigeon with incredible fashion sense.
Speaker 1: It's very pigeon coded because it is one hundred percent
Speaker 1: pigeon shaped, which is what's kind of interesting when you
Speaker 1: look at the whole dove family, because pigeons and doves
Speaker 1: are the same thing. Any you look at any dove,
Speaker 1: you look at any pigeon, rock, dove, roe, you know, pigeons, everything,
Speaker 1: They all are essentially the same shape. Just that shape.
Speaker 2: Does just have a better PR team.
Speaker 1: Doves just have a better PR team. They're like, oh,
Speaker 1: look at this pretty white dove. It's a symbol of peace.
Speaker 1: And then get away from me, you dirty pigeon. You
Speaker 1: can't have my fries. But yeah, this one is, this
Speaker 1: one is so so pretty. It lives in mangrove forests
Speaker 1: or in regular forests. But they are similar to pigeons
Speaker 1: found in like the US, and I mean all throughout
Speaker 1: America and then also in Europe because they are really
Speaker 1: good at adapting to urban environments, so like in sort
Speaker 1: of farms or human settlements or cities near where they live,
Speaker 1: they can exploit these, and they can find food on
Speaker 1: farms and in people's gardens. They're frug of wars, so
Speaker 1: they eat mostly fruit and most of their diet is
Speaker 1: just figs. They love figs and they're really good for Okay,
Speaker 1: who doesn't love a fig? Well, actually a lot of
Speaker 1: people don't.
Speaker 3: I was gonna say, can't blame them. Those people are incorrect.
Speaker 3: They are not to be judgmental.
Speaker 1: But yeah, when I was a kid, I didn't like
Speaker 1: figs almost literally, but I changed my mind.
Speaker 2: They're an adult taste for sure.
Speaker 1: It's acquired taste.
Speaker 3: Get somebody who didn't grow up with figs. Like, when
Speaker 3: you first come across them, you're like, it's like a
Speaker 3: brown fruit that looks kind of wrinkled and shriveled up,
Speaker 3: and you're like, oh, maybe that. Typically the foods I
Speaker 3: have had experience eating don't look like this, and so
Speaker 3: it was definitely like a learning curve.
Speaker 2: But once you.
Speaker 3: Start mowing on them, oh my god, they're very so sweet,
Speaker 3: so tasty, so getting so many different things.
Speaker 1: They're also I remember learning when I was young that
Speaker 1: like sometimes wasps would like go inside of figs and
Speaker 1: completely their life cycle inside figs. So I was like
Speaker 1: kind of scared of eating them because I thought I
Speaker 1: was just gonna find a giant wasp. I got older,
Speaker 1: I learned that while this is true, there are wasps
Speaker 1: that you know, lay their larva inside figs. They're tiny,
Speaker 1: They're teeny tiny, itty bitty bitty bitty wasps, not scary
Speaker 1: at all. So even even if the figs, it's just
Speaker 1: free protein and they're like they're like ant sized or
Speaker 1: even smaller. So like, once you get to that size
Speaker 1: of an insect, if I eat it, I'm like, mmmm,
Speaker 1: it's garnish. So yeah, So these birds love figs and
Speaker 1: they're beautiful, and they're also very adaptable in situations such
Speaker 1: as volcanic eruptions. They have survived their populations, maybe not
Speaker 1: specific individuals have survived the eruption of Krakatoa in eighteen
Speaker 1: eighty three. They were one of the only fruit eating
Speaker 1: animals to quickly return and adapt to the post eruption islands. Essentially,
Speaker 1: as long as there's some figs somewhere, they can They're fine,
Speaker 1: like figs or some fruit there, they will go there
Speaker 1: and they will make it work.
Speaker 3: I know pigeons for such good flyers, Like obviously I
Speaker 3: don't fly or whatever escaping a volcanos and the like
Speaker 3: the loan survivors. That's some pretty serious slapping, which I
Speaker 3: would not have thought could happen in a pigeon.
Speaker 1: I mean it's like, I don't know how well a
Speaker 1: pigeon could outfly like pyroclastic flow. Probably not well, but
Speaker 1: enough of them are gonna survive at eruption, right, like
Speaker 1: get out of there in time that they are able
Speaker 1: to re establish their population. But yeah, they are. They
Speaker 1: are good flyers. They don't actually migrate so much, but
Speaker 1: they're flying is used for locating figs and zeroing in
Speaker 1: on those figs and then eating those figs.
Speaker 3: I don't know, it's gonna be such a big heavy episode,
Speaker 3: but now I'm craving figs.
Speaker 1: I know, right, I've kind of tucked myself into wanting figs,
Speaker 1: you know, like you know how the inside of figs are,
Speaker 1: like they have all those little nodules, like the little
Speaker 1: I don't like just like it's a weird texture. It's
Speaker 1: kind of like it's like a flower that's folded in
Speaker 1: on itself, you know, like how like a daisy has
Speaker 1: those little little nodules. I'm bad at plant biology, so
Speaker 1: I forget what they're called, but it's like essentially like
Speaker 1: that part of the daisy, that center part that's all
Speaker 1: bumpy but folded in on itself, and it's a very
Speaker 1: specific kind of fruit development, which is actually why wasps
Speaker 1: use figs to do their reproduction, because there's like actually
Speaker 1: these little nooks and crannies that these tiny wasps can
Speaker 1: lay their larva in. So it's it's a you know,
Speaker 1: figs are cool. Figs are very interesting, and the list.
Speaker 3: They're rich in anti inflammatory and antioxidants, which I know
Speaker 3: is not a real thing, but who cares. It's a
Speaker 3: great excuse to eat more figs. They are so tasty
Speaker 3: and sweet, y'all. If you have figs on a pizza, oh,
Speaker 3: next level.
Speaker 1: It's a I mean, those things are real. It's just
Speaker 1: like you're not. There's not I don't really believe in
Speaker 1: like the superfood kind of thing where it's like if
Speaker 1: you just eat figs, you will never get cancer. That's
Speaker 1: just not how it works. But they're healthy, right, Like
Speaker 1: a fig is gonna be better for you than maybe
Speaker 1: like a dorrito.
Speaker 2: I bet they're beating the hell out of doritos.
Speaker 1: Yeah, not to single out dorito's. There's nothing wrong with
Speaker 1: having a dorito. I'm just saying, if you could choose
Speaker 1: between you think it's a bad food, it's well, it's
Speaker 1: probably not the healthiest food of dorito. I don't know.
Speaker 1: I don't know what damn it dorito causes exactly to
Speaker 1: the body, but I would say a fig is probably
Speaker 1: on average better for you than a dorito. Food science
Speaker 1: is wild, though, Like it's so it's very I have
Speaker 1: a lot of problems with like food science studies because
Speaker 1: they're all over the place. Man, You'll get like a
Speaker 1: study that's like, man, you should be drinking wine all
Speaker 1: the time, and it turns out it's because like France
Speaker 1: has a lower death rate, like lower cardiovascular death rate. Yeah,
Speaker 1: well they drink a lot of wine, so maybe that's it.
Speaker 1: It's like, guys, that's not that's not like, that's not
Speaker 1: good to say science.
Speaker 3: I just want y'all to know there are probably many
Speaker 3: contributing factors. Yeah, I appreciate the excuse to drink wine.
Speaker 3: What was the craziest when I saw yesterday, Oh they
Speaker 3: were saying that staring at a woman's chest is how
Speaker 3: fier than like drinking.
Speaker 2: A bunch of water or something. I was like, that
Speaker 2: cannot be true. That just.
Speaker 3: Sometimes like what does it even mean? As it was
Speaker 3: a German study, so maybe.
Speaker 1: There there you go. No, I don't know. I'm joking.
Speaker 1: I'm up, but no, I mean it doesn't that doesn't
Speaker 1: make any like obviously you can't just stare at a
Speaker 1: woman's chest and not drink water for the rest of
Speaker 1: your life. You will die. I don't understand what they're
Speaker 1: trying to say, Like it like it's stick like maybe
Speaker 1: it like helps you in the moment or something like
Speaker 1: maybe it increases your heart rate in the moment if
Speaker 1: you like boobs, which, let's be honest, you.
Speaker 2: Does see what you're saying.
Speaker 1: Yeah, but like you're pretty great. They're they're they're good,
Speaker 1: like you know, but like if I'm dying of thirst
Speaker 1: and you're like, would you like to see the best
Speaker 1: boobs in the.
Speaker 2: World versus a glass of.
Speaker 1: Water, I'm still gonna have the glass of water.
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, yeah, Like I don't understand these things. Fell
Speaker 2: always something, but I.
Speaker 1: Will Fellas is it? Uh is do you guys think
Speaker 1: that you could not drink water? I shouldn't say just
Speaker 1: fellas anyone of the sexual orientation to whom boobs is important?
Speaker 1: Would you not drink water versus looking at boobs? Write
Speaker 1: to me, don't write to me about that. I'm joking.
Speaker 1: I don't actually want to hear about this.
Speaker 3: I will say I do save these studies when it's
Speaker 3: like helpful to me, when they're like, drinking coffee can
Speaker 3: save your life. Yeah, I'll keep that in my back pocket.
Speaker 3: So anytime someone's like, are you sure you want a
Speaker 3: third cup of coffee? I can be like, listen this study.
Speaker 3: I don't care where it's from or if it's real
Speaker 3: or not, but it says that I should be drinking
Speaker 3: as much coffee as I can.
Speaker 2: So I'm gonna do it. I who am I to
Speaker 2: a if.
Speaker 1: It makes you feel good? That's I read something at
Speaker 1: some point that said that dark chocolate's good for you,
Speaker 1: And then like whenever it's like, oh, did you know
Speaker 1: those studies are actually rad I don't want to hear it.
Speaker 1: Dark chocolate good for you?
Speaker 2: That study said it.
Speaker 1: Study said it. Yeah, no, I know. I read the
Speaker 1: most unhelpful like article the other day that was just like,
Speaker 1: coffee could either save your life or kill you. I'm like,
Speaker 1: that's literally everything. That's literally anything.
Speaker 3: We should definitely figure out which one of those is
Speaker 3: the final answer. Right, that's not even a good hypothesis,
Speaker 3: like a great scientist would be like, you need to
Speaker 3: go back to the jar.
Speaker 2: Right.
Speaker 1: Water could either save your life or kill you. Man.
Speaker 1: It's this the state of health report, health nutrition reporting
Speaker 1: is we need we need help. Anyways, we're going to
Speaker 1: take a quick break and when we come back, we're
Speaker 1: going to quickly shift the topic to mandrill butts. Oh
Speaker 1: all right, so we're back in Joelle. We are talking
Speaker 1: about man drill butts, which does sound like a pornographic title,
Speaker 1: but it's it's this is it's animals. It's animals.
Speaker 3: It's just okaynocent, not human males, no, no drills involved,
Speaker 3: but lots of butts.
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's not man drill butts, but mandrill butts. All right,
Speaker 1: So man drills are these amazing primates found in rainforests
Speaker 1: in west central Africa. They are the largest monkey in
Speaker 1: the world. They're not apes. They are monkeys, even though
Speaker 1: they have like a stubby tail. They're a short tailed monkey.
Speaker 1: Uh and they weigh over seventy pounds, so they're they're big.
Speaker 2: They are big boy.
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, I think they are uh, you know on
Speaker 1: Lion King the guy refec Yeah, it's rafiki.
Speaker 3: This is definitely rafiki. Blue and red nose, colorful.
Speaker 1: Blue yes, and so are. They're all very striking, and
Speaker 1: females are striking too. They have yellow beards, pink noses
Speaker 1: in this kind of subtle blue blush along the grooves
Speaker 1: in their face. But the males are the true beauty queens.
Speaker 1: They have bright red noses, bright blue ridges along their
Speaker 1: cheeks and noses. They have yellow beards and rainbow butts.
Speaker 1: So females also have pink and blue coloration around their
Speaker 1: butts and genitals, but the males just have really really
Speaker 1: vibrant butts with pinks and blues and even like lavenders.
Speaker 1: It's quite quite beautiful and stunning.
Speaker 3: So okay, again, I was taught all color on animals
Speaker 3: has some meeting or drive or purpose. This to my
Speaker 3: human eyes looks like a target. But we've already discussed
Speaker 3: animals c with the human eye view scope, So but
Speaker 3: why a colorful ass.
Speaker 1: In this case? You are correct that this is more
Speaker 1: or less a target. There's a few functions for these
Speaker 1: bright butts, social and practical. So socially, these bright colors
Speaker 1: communicate things. They can even become more vibrant when the
Speaker 1: individual is excited or agitated. It is attractive to females.
Speaker 1: Females find a really vibrant butt on a male to
Speaker 1: be attractive. It can also signal dominance, both in their
Speaker 1: faces and their butts. The higher contrast between sort of
Speaker 1: the red and the blue hues, the more respected, the
Speaker 1: more attractive typically goes along with being more dominant, getting
Speaker 1: more mates, and having a higher place on the social higherarchy.
Speaker 1: But the practical reason that they have these bright butts
Speaker 1: is that when they are walking in these sort of
Speaker 1: dark dense forests, these butts will stand out to the
Speaker 1: members of the troop behind them, so it's easier for
Speaker 1: them to follow each other. And so it's kind of
Speaker 1: like you know, when you're like on a tour guide
Speaker 1: and the tour guide has like the flag that they're
Speaker 1: waving and it's kind of a unique flag, so you
Speaker 1: can see it and it's bright. It's like that but
Speaker 1: a butt, but a butt a mandrel.
Speaker 2: But okay, I'm not mad at it.
Speaker 3: The butts good. It's giving psychedelic fair coat, which, as
Speaker 3: we've already talked about, Lisa Frank. We love so psychedelics.
Speaker 3: Lisa Frank should have done a mandrel.
Speaker 2: But yes, the color scheme is very on brand for her.
Speaker 3: Monkeys can be cute and sort of you know, visious
Speaker 3: like a dolphin, but still a door Lisa Frank, if
Speaker 3: you're out here looking for new ideas, the mandrel butt,
Speaker 3: it's right there for you.
Speaker 1: Like your audiences, all adults, now, we can handle a
Speaker 1: mandrel butt. You know.
Speaker 2: You've already tackled crocs, the ugliest thing known to man.
Speaker 3: Mandrel butts will be Wait, there's there's Lisa Frank CrOx
Speaker 3: like the shoe.
Speaker 2: Oh my gosh.
Speaker 3: Yes, okay, So friend of this podcast, Jamie loftis over
Speaker 3: the holidays, so I went uh to be a part
Speaker 3: of it.
Speaker 2: And she came in with.
Speaker 3: Platform crocs that were Lisa Frank branded, colorful leopard spots
Speaker 3: all over them and they are fabulous.
Speaker 1: Okay, I just found them online. Incredible. I'm speechless.
Speaker 2: Yeah, there's huge platform shoes.
Speaker 3: They're like almost like high heels, except even across the
Speaker 3: bright huge early to thousands chunky shoe.
Speaker 1: Huge pink platform that also looks functional right like, it
Speaker 1: looks like it's got a lot of grip, so I
Speaker 1: could be like, I could be using those in sort
Speaker 1: of a wet, slippery situation, but it's a hot pink
Speaker 1: And then on top of that, it's got this sort
Speaker 1: of like classic croc thing but in those bright rainbow
Speaker 1: Lisa Frank leopard spots and it looks like it's bejeweled
Speaker 1: as well.
Speaker 3: Crocs has these little chochkey things that you can write
Speaker 3: in the holes that I can't remember was the lot,
Speaker 3: but yes, and they come with little animals, so you
Speaker 3: can get the classic leopard, which we love. I think
Speaker 3: they also have the panda. And if you don't have
Speaker 3: a dolphin, they should because least Frank dolphins. It's synonymous
Speaker 3: with one another.
Speaker 1: I mean, it's this is incredible. I just the human ingenuity, right,
Speaker 1: but this is like, looks we did. We did not
Speaker 1: evolve from mandrels. In fact, we're not very close relatives
Speaker 1: to them. However, we are all primates and so you
Speaker 1: can't tell me that these bright Lisa Frank crocs don't
Speaker 1: serve a similar purpose to the mandril. But of establishing
Speaker 1: social dominance.
Speaker 3: I listen, and who would no one would dare call
Speaker 3: Jamie loftus anything but dominate Okay, uh, you can get
Speaker 3: a Lisa Frank five pack of gibbets. Is what the
Speaker 3: little charms are called, gibbets. That's that's their choice. Yes,
Speaker 3: they do have a dolphin.
Speaker 2: I knew it.
Speaker 3: They also had the Lisa Frank logo and the alien
Speaker 3: in the punch buggy car, and a unicorn jumping over
Speaker 3: a rainbow, and a shooting star and kitties.
Speaker 2: Little kiddies. Oh man, these are so cute. I have
Speaker 2: a problem. I don't even own these, but I'm considering
Speaker 2: buying these gibbets.
Speaker 1: Oh god, man.
Speaker 2: You know, permanently establish my social dominance.
Speaker 1: I just learned today what gibbets are. And to make
Speaker 1: room in my brain, I've forgotten like another year of
Speaker 1: high school math to make room for this new concept
Speaker 1: of gibbets.
Speaker 2: You'll never use it. This is much more valuable to you.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 1: No, gibbets I think are gonna be. It's gonna probably
Speaker 1: like if society collapses, we'll start using gibbets as currency.
Speaker 1: Perfect well, Joel, Before we go, we got to play
Speaker 1: the Mystery Animal sound game. Now we have this is
Speaker 1: like the first Mystery Animal sound game of the year
Speaker 1: because we came back from winter break and then we
Speaker 1: had some listener questions episodes and we had an interview.
Speaker 1: So like, this is the first like og style episode
Speaker 1: since since December, so we are this is the first
Speaker 1: mister Animal sound game of twenty twenty four. If you
Speaker 1: guys remember the old Mystery animal sound from last year,
Speaker 1: the hint was this, these are the best friends to
Speaker 1: have in a gorilla style snowball site.
Speaker 3: What are the little monkeys that live in the snow
Speaker 3: and like, I want to say, japan Gee, it sounds
Speaker 3: like when my dog was a puppy, and it's making
Speaker 3: me very nostalgic. It's such a cube little sound. I
Speaker 3: don't know what it is, but I already love it.
Speaker 3: Please be somewhere between.
Speaker 1: It's somewhere between a dog in a snow monkey. Well
Speaker 1: that is closer to the truth than you may have realized,
Speaker 1: because this is actually an Arctic fox. Uh kind of
Speaker 1: making this little this little like weird laughing sound as
Speaker 1: a way to communicate congratulations to Danielle be forguessing correctly.
Speaker 1: This is actually one I believe that was rescued. So
Speaker 1: it is it lives with humans, and so when it's
Speaker 1: human caretaker laughs. This little Arctic fox laughs as well,
Speaker 1: but the laughter is more of a case of not
Speaker 1: as much a case of the giggles as it is
Speaker 1: a form of communication. But yeah, arctic fox's coats change.
Speaker 1: So in the winter they have this beautiful white coat
Speaker 1: that helps them blend in with the snow so that
Speaker 1: they can ambush their prey and high from predators. So
Speaker 1: you would never see them coming in a snowball fight.
Speaker 2: What a good little fox. I would recruit them to
Speaker 2: my team immediately.
Speaker 1: So cute.
Speaker 2: Also, they are adorable, adorable us.
Speaker 1: The most fluffy little snow grimlins out there, and I
Speaker 1: love that when they so they have an incredible sense
Speaker 1: of hearings, so they can listen for like little little
Speaker 1: mice and voles and mammals that are deep under the snow.
Speaker 1: So you'll see them kind of on the surface of
Speaker 1: the snow listening, sniffing around, and once they've located some
Speaker 1: little mammal in their burrow, they'll hop up and then
Speaker 1: jump and like basically just face plant directly into the snow,
Speaker 1: like dive right in so that they can start digging
Speaker 1: and digging up their prey. It is so cute. It's
Speaker 1: the cutest form of carnivore predation that I've ever seen.
Speaker 3: I really appreciate that they are that dedicated to getting
Speaker 3: their meal. They said, we could hunt above ground, we
Speaker 3: could stay in our burrows and just attack them as
Speaker 3: the house. They said, no, We're gonna wait to watch
Speaker 3: them go in and then just die like after them.
Speaker 1: I mean, it's it's tough in the winter because either
Speaker 1: a lot some predators will go into hibernation right and
Speaker 1: sort of try to try to go into a state
Speaker 1: where they're not using as much energy so that they
Speaker 1: don't have to face this problem. But these guys have
Speaker 1: developed an ability to hunt even in winter. Uh, and
Speaker 1: so it is quite amazing. Alrighty, So now onto the
Speaker 1: next mystery animal sound. The hint is this, these Canadians
Speaker 1: think you're a hoser.
Speaker 2: Okay, interesting, Well.
Speaker 1: Alrighty, do you have any guesses?
Speaker 2: Oh? Again, two very disparate guesses.
Speaker 3: But first I was like, oh, it kind of sounds
Speaker 3: like a Canadian goose. But then is like, I hear
Speaker 3: like a lot of shuffling on the ground that sounds
Speaker 3: like sticks and stowed. I'm like, is it like a
Speaker 3: deer of some kind?
Speaker 2: I know these are very far apart animals. I don't know.
Speaker 2: I don't know all right? Well is it?
Speaker 1: Is it a deer or somewhere in between. We'll find
Speaker 1: out on next Creature Feature Joel, thank you so much
Speaker 1: for joining me today. Where can people find you?
Speaker 3: Thanks so much for having me back, Katie, This is
Speaker 3: always a blast. I really appreciate you indulging my Lisa
Speaker 3: Frank Love. Y'all can find me all over the internet
Speaker 3: at tue money that's j O E l E mn.
Speaker 1: IQ And thank you guys so much for listening. If
Speaker 1: you think you know who is making the Mystery Animals sound,
Speaker 1: you can write to me at Creature Featurepod at gmail
Speaker 1: dot com. You can also write to me your questions.
Speaker 1: I do answer listener questions uh. And I also appreciate
Speaker 1: photos of your pets. Do not email me about that
Speaker 1: question about whether you can stare at boobs instead of
Speaker 1: drinking water. I don't want to know. I don't want
Speaker 1: to know. Uh. And thank you to the Space Classics
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