1 00:00:06,320 --> 00:00:10,120 Speaker 1: Welcome to Creature feature production of iHeartRadio. I'm your host 2 00:00:10,119 --> 00:00:14,160 Speaker 1: of Mini Putt. I'm your host of Many Parasites. Katie Golden. 3 00:00:14,320 --> 00:00:18,280 Speaker 1: I studied psychology and evolutionary biology, and today on this show, 4 00:00:18,480 --> 00:00:22,400 Speaker 1: we are looking at animals that are peeled right off 5 00:00:22,440 --> 00:00:26,400 Speaker 1: of the page of a Lisa Frank notebook. These are 6 00:00:26,520 --> 00:00:29,960 Speaker 1: animals that you would not expect to be so vibrantly 7 00:00:30,520 --> 00:00:35,200 Speaker 1: rainbow colored hued, and yet they are so. We will 8 00:00:35,240 --> 00:00:41,320 Speaker 1: talk about pink dolphins, multi colored primates, even a squirrel 9 00:00:41,400 --> 00:00:44,040 Speaker 1: and a pigeon which you would not expect to be 10 00:00:44,520 --> 00:00:50,839 Speaker 1: so very Lisa Frank. Discover this in more as we 11 00:00:50,880 --> 00:00:53,840 Speaker 1: answer the age old question why is it important to 12 00:00:53,920 --> 00:00:57,920 Speaker 1: have a rainbow But joining me today is friend of 13 00:00:58,120 --> 00:01:02,080 Speaker 1: the podcast, also friend of meet Katie and all around 14 00:01:02,120 --> 00:01:11,600 Speaker 1: awesome person producer at iHeartRadio. You know her, you love her? Joe. Well, welcome, Hey. 15 00:01:10,760 --> 00:01:11,680 Speaker 2: How's it going. 16 00:01:12,080 --> 00:01:15,080 Speaker 3: I'm so excited to talk Lisa Frank. 17 00:01:15,520 --> 00:01:19,200 Speaker 1: Were you a big Lisa Frank fan back in the day? 18 00:01:19,880 --> 00:01:23,959 Speaker 3: Yeah, okay, so the way Lisa Frank folders, binders, trapper 19 00:01:24,040 --> 00:01:28,800 Speaker 3: keepers were a premium right like, they were not cheap. 20 00:01:29,240 --> 00:01:32,119 Speaker 3: So my mom would let me get like two Lisa 21 00:01:32,160 --> 00:01:33,720 Speaker 3: Frank things. So she was like, you gotta get these 22 00:01:33,760 --> 00:01:36,640 Speaker 3: regular ninety nine cent folders, but if you want one 23 00:01:36,680 --> 00:01:37,680 Speaker 3: Lisa Frank. 24 00:01:37,400 --> 00:01:40,640 Speaker 2: Folder and a Trapper keeper or two weeks. 25 00:01:40,480 --> 00:01:43,600 Speaker 3: Of Frank folder, like, you could have two things maximum. 26 00:01:43,640 --> 00:01:47,960 Speaker 3: And I coveted them so bad. I typically went with 27 00:01:48,000 --> 00:01:51,960 Speaker 3: a dolphin or a snow leopard as they were topics 28 00:01:52,040 --> 00:01:55,120 Speaker 3: and yeah, so super cute to look at, but yeah, 29 00:01:55,160 --> 00:01:59,720 Speaker 3: I mean adorable animals, cute psychedelic backgrounds. Very my lane 30 00:01:59,720 --> 00:02:02,480 Speaker 3: as a child, and you know, to be fair to today, 31 00:02:02,880 --> 00:02:04,720 Speaker 3: still love me alas a Frank. 32 00:02:05,960 --> 00:02:10,639 Speaker 1: They are very cool kid. I never actually bought this 33 00:02:10,919 --> 00:02:14,880 Speaker 1: stuff so much. I don't know why. I think, I 34 00:02:15,040 --> 00:02:17,840 Speaker 1: just it never occurred to me that I could do 35 00:02:18,080 --> 00:02:21,480 Speaker 1: such a thing. But I would passively stare at other 36 00:02:21,600 --> 00:02:25,799 Speaker 1: kids binders that had the least Frank designs on them. 37 00:02:25,800 --> 00:02:28,839 Speaker 1: I might have gotten like one or two things over 38 00:02:28,880 --> 00:02:31,880 Speaker 1: the years. I don't really remember, but I remember just 39 00:02:31,960 --> 00:02:36,000 Speaker 1: kind of like the making me hungry because everything looks 40 00:02:36,200 --> 00:02:38,120 Speaker 1: like it was made out of candy or something. 41 00:02:38,639 --> 00:02:40,920 Speaker 2: It was just so, it was. 42 00:02:40,960 --> 00:02:43,840 Speaker 1: So it was so they were just so glossy and 43 00:02:44,240 --> 00:02:48,440 Speaker 1: edible looking. I also just I thought I think I 44 00:02:48,480 --> 00:02:51,800 Speaker 1: found it very strange as a kid, this idea of 45 00:02:51,840 --> 00:02:55,320 Speaker 1: like mammals being brightly colored, because you know, you're used 46 00:02:55,320 --> 00:03:00,800 Speaker 1: to like maybe fish and even birds being colored, but 47 00:03:00,919 --> 00:03:03,720 Speaker 1: like mammals, it was a It was a weird concept 48 00:03:03,760 --> 00:03:07,480 Speaker 1: for there to be a rainbow colored like a leopard 49 00:03:07,760 --> 00:03:08,360 Speaker 1: or dolphin. 50 00:03:10,760 --> 00:03:13,560 Speaker 2: It was not, as you might say, logical. 51 00:03:13,960 --> 00:03:16,960 Speaker 3: It's very illogical, yeah, coloring, But I think that's sort 52 00:03:17,000 --> 00:03:18,080 Speaker 3: of what I loved about it. 53 00:03:18,240 --> 00:03:18,760 Speaker 2: There's a. 54 00:03:20,280 --> 00:03:25,680 Speaker 3: Like hyperrealism, fantasy sort of element happening where why not 55 00:03:25,840 --> 00:03:30,400 Speaker 3: a taied die cheetah Here unicorns are very real and 56 00:03:30,440 --> 00:03:33,280 Speaker 3: they're gorgeous. I like that her unicorns were white, but 57 00:03:33,320 --> 00:03:36,440 Speaker 3: it was their tails and their mains that were tied. 58 00:03:36,200 --> 00:03:38,080 Speaker 2: Ie super bright colors. 59 00:03:38,640 --> 00:03:41,200 Speaker 3: I just think it's fun to look at and pretend 60 00:03:41,240 --> 00:03:44,760 Speaker 3: you're in a world where there are mega waterfalls and 61 00:03:44,920 --> 00:03:48,920 Speaker 3: aliens driving like what do you call those punch buggies. 62 00:03:49,680 --> 00:03:50,720 Speaker 2: Everything about Lisa S. 63 00:03:50,720 --> 00:03:56,600 Speaker 3: Frank's world was just gorgeous and peaceful and exuberantly vibrant, 64 00:03:56,680 --> 00:03:58,720 Speaker 3: and I appreciate that to this day. 65 00:03:59,160 --> 00:04:01,640 Speaker 1: Yeah, I think it's a really lovely art style. I 66 00:04:01,680 --> 00:04:04,600 Speaker 1: think when I was a kid back in the nineties, 67 00:04:04,640 --> 00:04:08,560 Speaker 1: I feel like girls in terms of sort of being 68 00:04:08,600 --> 00:04:15,840 Speaker 1: classified into like animal obsessives, were either super into horses 69 00:04:16,120 --> 00:04:19,920 Speaker 1: or super into dolphins. I don't know why that happened, 70 00:04:20,040 --> 00:04:23,600 Speaker 1: but that like when I was a kid, it was 71 00:04:23,720 --> 00:04:25,960 Speaker 1: you were either in horse camp or dolphin camp. 72 00:04:27,440 --> 00:04:31,679 Speaker 2: I personally would had. 73 00:04:30,400 --> 00:04:32,360 Speaker 1: No you had to either be a horse girl or 74 00:04:32,400 --> 00:04:36,039 Speaker 1: a dolphin girl. I was like into cats because I 75 00:04:36,120 --> 00:04:39,960 Speaker 1: had a cat, but I felt like horses and dolphins 76 00:04:40,000 --> 00:04:42,960 Speaker 1: were like the thing, right, Like if you had a Barbie, 77 00:04:43,279 --> 00:04:45,320 Speaker 1: you could get her a horse or you could get 78 00:04:45,320 --> 00:04:47,320 Speaker 1: her a dolphin. For some reason, I don't know why 79 00:04:47,360 --> 00:04:49,960 Speaker 1: Barfi Barbie could have a dolphin. Maybe it was Skipper 80 00:04:50,000 --> 00:04:53,400 Speaker 1: who had a dolphin's. 81 00:04:52,200 --> 00:04:53,760 Speaker 3: I think it had something to do with all of 82 00:04:53,839 --> 00:04:56,000 Speaker 3: us wanting to be marine biologists. I don't know who 83 00:04:56,040 --> 00:04:59,080 Speaker 3: planted this idea in children's heads, but for a while, 84 00:04:59,480 --> 00:05:01,719 Speaker 3: it was like, you be a horse girl lover and 85 00:05:01,760 --> 00:05:03,400 Speaker 3: you wanted to sort of like work on a ranch 86 00:05:03,480 --> 00:05:07,280 Speaker 3: and like live in the wild West and tame wild horses. 87 00:05:08,120 --> 00:05:11,520 Speaker 3: Black Beauty was obviously a staple for many of us 88 00:05:11,560 --> 00:05:14,800 Speaker 3: in our youth, whether it was the classic black Beauty 89 00:05:14,839 --> 00:05:17,120 Speaker 3: film or you're reading the novel. I think it really 90 00:05:17,160 --> 00:05:22,600 Speaker 3: cemented this idea of running away and racing horses. And 91 00:05:22,640 --> 00:05:25,159 Speaker 3: then or you were a marine biology camp and you're like, 92 00:05:25,160 --> 00:05:27,440 Speaker 3: I will swim under the ocean sort of be a mermaid, 93 00:05:27,440 --> 00:05:30,840 Speaker 3: but not really also super smart scientist, and there'll be 94 00:05:31,040 --> 00:05:34,479 Speaker 3: very cute dolphins who make the best little sounds and 95 00:05:34,520 --> 00:05:36,960 Speaker 3: do tricks. This was before we knew see world was 96 00:05:37,000 --> 00:05:37,719 Speaker 3: a terrible place. 97 00:05:37,800 --> 00:05:38,200 Speaker 1: Guys. 98 00:05:38,560 --> 00:05:41,640 Speaker 3: We were children and dolphins were doing dope tricks and 99 00:05:41,680 --> 00:05:43,560 Speaker 3: you could be their trainer and they would high five 100 00:05:43,640 --> 00:05:45,560 Speaker 3: you if you fed them a fish. And it was 101 00:05:45,600 --> 00:05:48,680 Speaker 3: really we were living in a dream world. And I 102 00:05:48,720 --> 00:05:51,040 Speaker 3: really think that's what separated and divided the camps, is 103 00:05:51,080 --> 00:05:53,120 Speaker 3: like you were either into the rune biology of it, 104 00:05:53,240 --> 00:05:54,360 Speaker 3: or you were prepared to live. 105 00:05:54,279 --> 00:05:54,760 Speaker 2: On a farm. 106 00:05:55,000 --> 00:05:56,840 Speaker 3: I didn't like the smell of horses. At first I 107 00:05:56,880 --> 00:05:58,919 Speaker 3: thought I might be a horse girl. But then I 108 00:05:58,960 --> 00:06:01,720 Speaker 3: went to ride horse, says I said, it smells awful. 109 00:06:02,560 --> 00:06:03,760 Speaker 2: I hate it. 110 00:06:03,800 --> 00:06:06,559 Speaker 3: Also, they were really tall and I was scared to heights, 111 00:06:06,600 --> 00:06:08,760 Speaker 3: so horses were hard for me. My mom's a horse girl, 112 00:06:08,800 --> 00:06:12,719 Speaker 3: she was disappointed. But I came a dolphin girl very early. 113 00:06:12,800 --> 00:06:15,280 Speaker 3: And then Lisa Frank can introduce me to the snow leopard, 114 00:06:15,279 --> 00:06:17,279 Speaker 3: And I said, is there a more beautiful creature on 115 00:06:17,320 --> 00:06:17,919 Speaker 3: God's Earth? 116 00:06:18,040 --> 00:06:19,279 Speaker 2: There isn't so. 117 00:06:20,960 --> 00:06:24,120 Speaker 1: Fussy. Yeah, if I had to be in either horse 118 00:06:24,160 --> 00:06:27,000 Speaker 1: girl or dolphin girl camp, and probably be dolphin girl 119 00:06:27,040 --> 00:06:32,040 Speaker 1: as well, because horses intimidate me. I'm thoroughly intimidated by horses. 120 00:06:32,680 --> 00:06:36,760 Speaker 1: I can see the like they're so muscular, and then 121 00:06:36,800 --> 00:06:41,200 Speaker 1: they have really hard nails for feet, and so they 122 00:06:41,200 --> 00:06:45,200 Speaker 1: can just they could like hit you and permanently cave 123 00:06:45,240 --> 00:06:47,800 Speaker 1: in your head. I do not find that peaceful. I 124 00:06:47,839 --> 00:06:51,719 Speaker 1: find that intimidating. Whereas dolphins, I don't know. I guess 125 00:06:51,760 --> 00:06:53,920 Speaker 1: a dolphin could drown you, but I don't think they 126 00:06:53,960 --> 00:06:54,640 Speaker 1: typically do. 127 00:06:55,680 --> 00:06:58,159 Speaker 3: I know that we don't see that in our culture 128 00:06:58,200 --> 00:07:01,760 Speaker 3: a lot, and in our dolphin me Typically dolphins are 129 00:07:02,120 --> 00:07:05,760 Speaker 3: very kind, loving, sweet creatures, whereas horses are temperamental creatures 130 00:07:05,800 --> 00:07:09,440 Speaker 3: in a lot of our media, like there, you're like, oh, 131 00:07:09,440 --> 00:07:12,480 Speaker 3: you gotta be careful because they're wild spirits. They might 132 00:07:12,520 --> 00:07:14,840 Speaker 3: buck you off. You know, you got you gotta be 133 00:07:14,840 --> 00:07:16,680 Speaker 3: careful with a horse. My mom got kicked in the 134 00:07:16,760 --> 00:07:20,280 Speaker 3: shin by a horse. Oh no, teenager, so she has 135 00:07:20,320 --> 00:07:23,640 Speaker 3: a permanent horseshoe imprint on her shin. She likes to 136 00:07:23,640 --> 00:07:25,440 Speaker 3: think it's lucky. I said, you were kicked by a 137 00:07:25,480 --> 00:07:26,160 Speaker 3: horse in the shin. 138 00:07:28,880 --> 00:07:31,560 Speaker 1: I hate it when stuff happens to the shin because 139 00:07:31,600 --> 00:07:34,200 Speaker 1: it's like one of the bones where it's like right there, 140 00:07:34,280 --> 00:07:38,440 Speaker 1: there's nothing. There's like a thin layer of skin and 141 00:07:38,520 --> 00:07:41,520 Speaker 1: tissue covering it, but there's no cushion. It's just a 142 00:07:41,520 --> 00:07:43,880 Speaker 1: bone there. And I hate it. I hate but I'm 143 00:07:43,920 --> 00:07:46,360 Speaker 1: shaving my legs. I hate shaving over it because I'm like, 144 00:07:46,400 --> 00:07:49,000 Speaker 1: that's there's a bone right there, Like it's not that 145 00:07:49,160 --> 00:07:52,320 Speaker 1: far delicate bone, so like I do have a horse 146 00:07:52,440 --> 00:07:57,440 Speaker 1: kicking right I want to throw up. Anyways, it's horrible. 147 00:07:57,480 --> 00:08:01,240 Speaker 1: It's a lot that's horrible. It's so funny because I 148 00:08:01,280 --> 00:08:03,400 Speaker 1: have like such a tall I have such a tolerance 149 00:08:03,400 --> 00:08:06,680 Speaker 1: and love for a weird, disgusting animal, spiders, snakes, everything. 150 00:08:06,720 --> 00:08:09,520 Speaker 1: And then you're like, it's like with horses, I'm just like, 151 00:08:10,320 --> 00:08:13,040 Speaker 1: I don't know about horses. Man. I like them. I 152 00:08:13,120 --> 00:08:16,160 Speaker 1: like looking at them. I respect them. That's the thing 153 00:08:16,280 --> 00:08:20,680 Speaker 1: is like I don't fantasize about, like you know, being 154 00:08:21,320 --> 00:08:24,720 Speaker 1: buddies with a horse because I respect them too much 155 00:08:24,760 --> 00:08:29,880 Speaker 1: for that. They are thoroughly to me. They are intimidating 156 00:08:30,000 --> 00:08:32,200 Speaker 1: enough that I want to give them like a wide berth. 157 00:08:32,880 --> 00:08:36,280 Speaker 1: But yeah, dolphins are not as everyone knows like, They're 158 00:08:36,280 --> 00:08:40,640 Speaker 1: not the sweet, peaceful creatures in terms of like other 159 00:08:40,720 --> 00:08:43,959 Speaker 1: sea life. They're predators and so they like to play 160 00:08:44,000 --> 00:08:48,160 Speaker 1: around with their food. They like to hunt, and but 161 00:08:48,240 --> 00:08:50,760 Speaker 1: you know, in terms of their relationships with humans, they 162 00:08:50,800 --> 00:08:53,520 Speaker 1: generally do not pose any threat to humans. They actually 163 00:08:53,559 --> 00:08:55,480 Speaker 1: can be quite curious about humans, and they can be 164 00:08:55,559 --> 00:08:58,440 Speaker 1: quite friendly. But the reason I bring up dolphins is 165 00:08:58,440 --> 00:09:03,000 Speaker 1: I remember there were always these beautiful multi colored dolphins, 166 00:09:03,000 --> 00:09:06,679 Speaker 1: sometimes like these pink dolphins that Lisa Frank would draw. 167 00:09:07,200 --> 00:09:10,360 Speaker 1: And it turns out that Lisa Frank was not making 168 00:09:10,400 --> 00:09:14,560 Speaker 1: this up. There indeed are pink dolphins. These are the 169 00:09:14,800 --> 00:09:19,840 Speaker 1: Amazon River dolphins found in where else but the Amazon River. 170 00:09:21,480 --> 00:09:24,400 Speaker 1: We have talked about these on the show before, but 171 00:09:25,000 --> 00:09:28,439 Speaker 1: I mean, I think it's worth repeating information about pink 172 00:09:28,480 --> 00:09:30,079 Speaker 1: dolphins as much as possible. 173 00:09:33,120 --> 00:09:35,840 Speaker 3: I mean, look at how cute they are. Yes, they're 174 00:09:36,160 --> 00:09:39,480 Speaker 3: so adorable. I think popular media has really let us 175 00:09:39,520 --> 00:09:42,840 Speaker 3: down by not featuring more of these pink dolphins. 176 00:09:42,880 --> 00:09:43,800 Speaker 2: You know, we see a. 177 00:09:43,760 --> 00:09:46,600 Speaker 3: Ton of I don't want to call them regular bottle 178 00:09:46,600 --> 00:09:48,160 Speaker 3: nose dolphins. I feel like, are maybe the ones. 179 00:09:48,000 --> 00:09:49,840 Speaker 2: We see, yeah, the most your. 180 00:09:49,679 --> 00:09:54,440 Speaker 3: Typical blue, white bellied looking thing, and they're cute. Listen, 181 00:09:54,559 --> 00:09:57,800 Speaker 3: there's no dolphin shaming here. I'm just saying out in 182 00:09:57,800 --> 00:10:01,400 Speaker 3: the world, there's a light pink dolphin who constantly looks 183 00:10:01,440 --> 00:10:03,800 Speaker 3: like it's smiling and a little bit high. Its eyes 184 00:10:03,800 --> 00:10:08,360 Speaker 3: are very small, and who it's precious. I would protect it. 185 00:10:08,360 --> 00:10:11,560 Speaker 3: It should be a mascot for several different teams. People 186 00:10:11,559 --> 00:10:13,720 Speaker 3: should be fighting over the rights to be like, no, 187 00:10:13,840 --> 00:10:16,199 Speaker 3: we're the pink dolphins. Look at how perfect they are. 188 00:10:17,200 --> 00:10:18,120 Speaker 2: It's away. 189 00:10:18,440 --> 00:10:21,400 Speaker 1: It's so funny. It's so funny because we think of 190 00:10:21,520 --> 00:10:25,840 Speaker 1: pink as this soft, cute color, right, Like something that's 191 00:10:25,880 --> 00:10:30,000 Speaker 1: pink is sweet and cute, and of course with our culture, 192 00:10:30,120 --> 00:10:33,560 Speaker 1: something like in modern sort of like Western culture, pink 193 00:10:33,640 --> 00:10:36,760 Speaker 1: is like a girly color. I'm not saying it is, right. 194 00:10:36,920 --> 00:10:40,320 Speaker 1: I don't put that kind of baggage on colors because 195 00:10:40,320 --> 00:10:45,520 Speaker 1: I think pink is everyone's color. Anyone can like. I don't. 196 00:10:45,920 --> 00:10:50,160 Speaker 1: I think it's weird to like limit what colors people 197 00:10:50,280 --> 00:10:53,559 Speaker 1: can use. That's strange. But you know, our culture is like, 198 00:10:53,600 --> 00:10:57,960 Speaker 1: you know, girls, pink, girls, pink. The thing is this 199 00:10:58,120 --> 00:11:02,360 Speaker 1: pink for these Amazon river dolphins also known as the 200 00:11:02,440 --> 00:11:08,120 Speaker 1: Boto river dolphins are a male characteristic. So the pink 201 00:11:08,240 --> 00:11:13,640 Speaker 1: is a male characteristic because it is actually scar tissue 202 00:11:13,880 --> 00:11:18,880 Speaker 1: as a result of fighting with other dolphins or with 203 00:11:18,920 --> 00:11:22,720 Speaker 1: other creatures, and it's attractive to females because the more 204 00:11:22,880 --> 00:11:26,040 Speaker 1: pink that they are from just this like frequent abrasion, 205 00:11:26,080 --> 00:11:28,760 Speaker 1: because their tissue scar is very easily. This is an 206 00:11:28,760 --> 00:11:32,920 Speaker 1: evolutionary trait and it will turn pink from all of 207 00:11:32,920 --> 00:11:35,960 Speaker 1: this scarring. And so the brighter the pink from this 208 00:11:36,320 --> 00:11:41,560 Speaker 1: skin irritation essentially from fights and shoving and rough housing 209 00:11:42,040 --> 00:11:46,680 Speaker 1: is attractive to females. So this pink, basically, the pinker 210 00:11:46,720 --> 00:11:50,559 Speaker 1: you are, the more like tough and aggressive you are, 211 00:11:50,600 --> 00:11:54,160 Speaker 1: and the more rough and tough from anywhere from like 212 00:11:54,640 --> 00:11:57,760 Speaker 1: just serious fighting to just kind of rough housing with 213 00:11:57,800 --> 00:11:58,600 Speaker 1: other dolphins. 214 00:12:00,200 --> 00:12:03,200 Speaker 3: So I was right, they are the perfect mascot. Yes, 215 00:12:04,760 --> 00:12:09,360 Speaker 3: that's a bright neon pink dolphin mascot to be like, hey, 216 00:12:09,640 --> 00:12:12,079 Speaker 3: we're ferocious, we'd be fighting all the time and the 217 00:12:12,160 --> 00:12:13,000 Speaker 3: ladies love us. 218 00:12:13,480 --> 00:12:14,280 Speaker 2: What about it? 219 00:12:14,640 --> 00:12:17,400 Speaker 3: Like, my god, if I was starting a sports team tomorrow. 220 00:12:17,520 --> 00:12:23,280 Speaker 2: This will be my mascot. Imagine the imagine the mascot 221 00:12:23,480 --> 00:12:24,840 Speaker 2: super It's. 222 00:12:24,559 --> 00:12:29,280 Speaker 1: Perfect, man, I am actually imagining it, and it's it's 223 00:12:29,320 --> 00:12:32,600 Speaker 1: really funny because like these are these all dolphins alf 224 00:12:32,800 --> 00:12:37,000 Speaker 1: have also have really fat foreheads and long snouts, so 225 00:12:37,120 --> 00:12:41,440 Speaker 1: it's just they already are very goofy looking, so in 226 00:12:41,559 --> 00:12:45,560 Speaker 1: mascot form with a human sort of awkwardly inside this 227 00:12:45,640 --> 00:12:51,120 Speaker 1: like dolphin suit with the legs sticking out, perfect, just perfect. 228 00:12:51,840 --> 00:12:55,720 Speaker 2: I am obsessed with this little guy. He's so cool. 229 00:12:56,080 --> 00:12:57,400 Speaker 1: They also love. 230 00:12:57,240 --> 00:12:58,760 Speaker 2: That his pinkness comes from fights. 231 00:12:58,880 --> 00:13:03,760 Speaker 1: They are also drummers, so they will actually hold branches 232 00:13:04,840 --> 00:13:08,200 Speaker 1: or pieces of vegetation in their mouths and then beat 233 00:13:08,280 --> 00:13:14,040 Speaker 1: the water with that to impress the females. And like 234 00:13:14,080 --> 00:13:17,679 Speaker 1: I mentioned before, dolphins are not known for their kindness 235 00:13:17,760 --> 00:13:23,319 Speaker 1: to other creatures. They will sometimes lift live turtles up 236 00:13:23,520 --> 00:13:27,920 Speaker 1: as a courtship as a courtship display, just because they're 237 00:13:28,360 --> 00:13:33,360 Speaker 1: they're kind of jerks, but in a pretty cute way. 238 00:13:34,160 --> 00:13:38,160 Speaker 3: Continuing on my mascot theme, imagine everybody gets a like 239 00:13:38,360 --> 00:13:42,000 Speaker 3: leaf shaped tube. So in somebody's if it's basketball, someone's 240 00:13:42,000 --> 00:13:43,600 Speaker 3: going to make a free throw. This is how we 241 00:13:43,720 --> 00:13:47,760 Speaker 3: use our distraction. We're just mimicking the dolphins drumming style 242 00:13:47,920 --> 00:13:50,960 Speaker 3: as a form of intimidation. Don't let us all whip 243 00:13:51,000 --> 00:13:53,360 Speaker 3: out a turtle. It means it's over for you. It really, 244 00:13:53,400 --> 00:13:57,320 Speaker 3: it truly means death, or we're about to enter recording ritual. 245 00:13:57,559 --> 00:14:01,240 Speaker 3: Either way, very very dangerous time to be around us 246 00:14:01,559 --> 00:14:02,599 Speaker 3: and dolphins. 247 00:14:02,800 --> 00:14:09,800 Speaker 1: I'm seeing if anyone uses this dolphin as a mascot, 248 00:14:10,760 --> 00:14:15,200 Speaker 1: I don't see. I don't see any like sports teams 249 00:14:15,280 --> 00:14:15,680 Speaker 1: that do. 250 00:14:16,840 --> 00:14:19,960 Speaker 2: I mean, like I'm trademarking it right now, and Hollywood WNBA, 251 00:14:20,280 --> 00:14:21,000 Speaker 2: give me a team. 252 00:14:21,440 --> 00:14:26,040 Speaker 1: I mean, Indigenous communities do appreciate these dolphins. I wouldn't 253 00:14:26,040 --> 00:14:27,960 Speaker 1: say it's like a mascot, but there's a lot of 254 00:14:27,960 --> 00:14:34,280 Speaker 1: folklore about them. So like Native Amazonian folklore has stories 255 00:14:34,320 --> 00:14:38,040 Speaker 1: about these dolphins transforming into a human and coming out 256 00:14:38,040 --> 00:14:40,280 Speaker 1: of the water with like a hat on their head 257 00:14:40,320 --> 00:14:43,560 Speaker 1: to disguise the blowhole. I just love that. It's like 258 00:14:44,400 --> 00:14:48,360 Speaker 1: it's like a transformation mermaid story. But like they keep 259 00:14:48,400 --> 00:14:51,120 Speaker 1: the blowhole, Like they turn from a dolphin into a human, 260 00:14:51,160 --> 00:14:53,640 Speaker 1: but there's no way for them to also get rid 261 00:14:53,680 --> 00:14:54,400 Speaker 1: of that blowhole. 262 00:14:56,120 --> 00:14:59,440 Speaker 3: All good magical tales have consequences. You can never fully 263 00:14:59,520 --> 00:15:02,280 Speaker 3: hide true state of being. 264 00:15:02,400 --> 00:15:04,840 Speaker 1: Yes, it's kind of like with AI. Now, like if 265 00:15:04,840 --> 00:15:07,840 Speaker 1: they start making AI human clones, you just look at 266 00:15:07,840 --> 00:15:10,200 Speaker 1: the number of fingers that they have or the number 267 00:15:10,200 --> 00:15:13,680 Speaker 1: of teeth that they have to find it out. Also, 268 00:15:13,920 --> 00:15:19,200 Speaker 1: they believe that they could turn into a beautiful woman 269 00:15:19,320 --> 00:15:25,600 Speaker 1: who could seduce a married man. Uh, and then after 270 00:15:25,800 --> 00:15:29,960 Speaker 1: having sex with him, turns him into a baby and 271 00:15:30,000 --> 00:15:34,960 Speaker 1: then puts him inside his own wife's womb, so. 272 00:15:35,680 --> 00:15:38,880 Speaker 2: You know, diabolically. 273 00:15:39,000 --> 00:15:43,160 Speaker 1: Yeah, well, you know, I think that is It's an 274 00:15:43,280 --> 00:15:46,640 Speaker 1: interesting concept. It actually sounds like the plot of Being 275 00:15:46,720 --> 00:15:47,640 Speaker 1: John Malkovich. 276 00:15:47,760 --> 00:15:53,920 Speaker 2: Right, I never understood the plot for Being John Malcovich. 277 00:15:54,040 --> 00:15:55,240 Speaker 2: I'm going to take her word. 278 00:15:57,040 --> 00:15:59,560 Speaker 1: I think it's Yeah. I think it's a river Dolphin 279 00:15:59,760 --> 00:16:05,920 Speaker 1: place by Catherine Zeta Jones, who, uh, you're right, like 280 00:16:05,960 --> 00:16:08,600 Speaker 1: and then she impregnates Uh. 281 00:16:09,040 --> 00:16:12,080 Speaker 3: Yes, this is I haven't seen this movie in so long. 282 00:16:12,200 --> 00:16:16,040 Speaker 3: Wait a minute, Okay, So here's the thing. Popular culture 283 00:16:16,080 --> 00:16:18,520 Speaker 3: has given me a dolphin, and it gave it to 284 00:16:18,560 --> 00:16:22,720 Speaker 3: me in the weirdest possible way. What I have to 285 00:16:22,720 --> 00:16:24,560 Speaker 3: go back and watch it. 286 00:16:25,040 --> 00:16:28,920 Speaker 1: John Malkovich doesn't actually have an Amazon river dolphin, but 287 00:16:29,000 --> 00:16:34,280 Speaker 1: it does have Catherine Zeta Jones and gosh who's the 288 00:16:34,320 --> 00:16:37,040 Speaker 1: other actress. They fall in love, but then one of 289 00:16:37,120 --> 00:16:41,480 Speaker 1: them gets pregnant with their own ex boyfriend kind of 290 00:16:42,760 --> 00:16:47,360 Speaker 1: or the ex boyfriend gets trapped inside their own baby 291 00:16:47,880 --> 00:16:51,080 Speaker 1: but is not in control of the baby. It's weird, 292 00:16:51,200 --> 00:16:53,840 Speaker 1: it's very it's a it's a weird movie. I highly 293 00:16:53,840 --> 00:16:58,720 Speaker 1: recommend it. But essentially it's the same story indias. It's 294 00:16:58,760 --> 00:17:02,400 Speaker 1: the same story as it's a folklore about this river dolphin, 295 00:17:02,440 --> 00:17:05,920 Speaker 1: which in a kind of in a certain sense, it's 296 00:17:05,920 --> 00:17:11,159 Speaker 1: the same story. But anyways, but yeah, they they really 297 00:17:11,320 --> 00:17:14,680 Speaker 1: in real life. These dolphins pose no threat to humans. 298 00:17:14,680 --> 00:17:18,560 Speaker 1: They can't transform you into a baby, but they don't 299 00:17:18,680 --> 00:17:21,720 Speaker 1: do well in captivity and they can't be trained. They 300 00:17:21,760 --> 00:17:26,320 Speaker 1: are fiercely independent pink battle dolphins. 301 00:17:28,119 --> 00:17:30,119 Speaker 2: They saw what happened to their cousins and they were like, 302 00:17:30,200 --> 00:17:31,119 Speaker 2: can't catch us. 303 00:17:31,160 --> 00:17:31,879 Speaker 1: No, thank you? 304 00:17:33,600 --> 00:17:34,600 Speaker 2: Who am not conformed? 305 00:17:34,680 --> 00:17:34,920 Speaker 1: Yeah? 306 00:17:35,040 --> 00:17:36,200 Speaker 2: Weird human ways? 307 00:17:36,560 --> 00:17:45,360 Speaker 1: Yeah, free Willie, how about screw you? All Right, Well, 308 00:17:45,400 --> 00:17:47,199 Speaker 1: we are going to take a quick break and then 309 00:17:47,240 --> 00:17:49,600 Speaker 1: when we get back, we are going to talk about 310 00:17:50,520 --> 00:17:57,439 Speaker 1: bright multi colored squirrels. So I want to talk about 311 00:17:57,480 --> 00:18:04,040 Speaker 1: the Indian giant squirrel which has a beautiful coat. I 312 00:18:04,080 --> 00:18:07,640 Speaker 1: have mentioned this before on other episodes, but again it's 313 00:18:07,680 --> 00:18:11,000 Speaker 1: a giant, multicolored squirrel. I have to give it another 314 00:18:11,040 --> 00:18:14,600 Speaker 1: shout out during the Lisa Frank episode. So this is 315 00:18:15,080 --> 00:18:21,800 Speaker 1: a They live in tropical forests in the Indian subcontinent 316 00:18:21,960 --> 00:18:27,040 Speaker 1: and they eat a lot of fruits nuts. They are, 317 00:18:27,359 --> 00:18:33,879 Speaker 1: you know, your typical squirrel, but they are about a 318 00:18:34,200 --> 00:18:38,200 Speaker 1: foot long from their nose to their butt, and then 319 00:18:38,640 --> 00:18:41,800 Speaker 1: an extra foot for their tail, so they're about sixty 320 00:18:41,840 --> 00:18:45,840 Speaker 1: centimeters total in length, which is about two feet, and 321 00:18:46,280 --> 00:18:50,840 Speaker 1: they are they are a beautiful color combination. Joel, can 322 00:18:50,880 --> 00:18:53,760 Speaker 1: you describe this squirrel to the listeners? 323 00:18:56,280 --> 00:18:58,720 Speaker 3: Sure, it sort of looks like an outphant Meganus stallium 324 00:18:58,720 --> 00:19:03,560 Speaker 3: would wear. It's like a very dark navy blue on 325 00:19:03,680 --> 00:19:06,399 Speaker 3: top and bottom, and then in the middle it's like 326 00:19:06,440 --> 00:19:10,760 Speaker 3: a beautiful mauve purple. It's not quite tigh eye, but 327 00:19:10,800 --> 00:19:13,280 Speaker 3: more like ombre switching from one color to the other 328 00:19:13,320 --> 00:19:16,399 Speaker 3: and then back to the original. I also really appreciate 329 00:19:16,480 --> 00:19:18,880 Speaker 3: the coloring on its face. If you're into the tie 330 00:19:18,960 --> 00:19:21,720 Speaker 3: dye makeups, definitely inspired by this creature. 331 00:19:22,080 --> 00:19:23,960 Speaker 2: I'm talking like purple eye shadow. 332 00:19:24,200 --> 00:19:27,679 Speaker 3: Also purple lips, but like pink maybe around the ears. 333 00:19:28,359 --> 00:19:31,000 Speaker 3: Beautiful creature, gorgeous. 334 00:19:31,359 --> 00:19:34,480 Speaker 1: Yeah, it's color coordination is really on point. It's kind 335 00:19:34,480 --> 00:19:37,800 Speaker 1: of like jewel tones mixed with a few earth tones, 336 00:19:37,840 --> 00:19:41,920 Speaker 1: which is very very cool. I didn't realize is there 337 00:19:42,000 --> 00:19:43,639 Speaker 1: there's a tie dye makeup trend? 338 00:19:45,880 --> 00:19:51,120 Speaker 3: Yeah, so there's if you're into maximalism, which I really am, 339 00:19:51,520 --> 00:19:53,720 Speaker 3: A lot of folks are doing some very fun things 340 00:19:53,760 --> 00:19:55,960 Speaker 3: with both, like their lips and their eyes. 341 00:19:56,080 --> 00:19:58,160 Speaker 2: Whoa who You're putting on. 342 00:19:58,160 --> 00:20:00,639 Speaker 3: A bunch of colors like around the eye or on 343 00:20:00,760 --> 00:20:03,520 Speaker 3: the lips, sometimes both, and then blending it out to 344 00:20:03,600 --> 00:20:05,119 Speaker 3: get like a tie dye effect. 345 00:20:05,200 --> 00:20:07,640 Speaker 1: Oh my god, I'm looking at a picture of this. 346 00:20:07,640 --> 00:20:14,080 Speaker 1: This is incredible. I like, this isn't fantastic. I feel 347 00:20:15,600 --> 00:20:19,480 Speaker 1: blessed when I can do a wing that doesn't look 348 00:20:19,600 --> 00:20:22,800 Speaker 1: like I just dragged a sharpie across my face, so 349 00:20:23,119 --> 00:20:27,840 Speaker 1: I could never accomplish this, But this is that's amazing. Yeah, 350 00:20:27,920 --> 00:20:30,760 Speaker 1: like just it's it looks like because it looks like 351 00:20:30,840 --> 00:20:33,119 Speaker 1: they did the rainbow colors and then sort of like 352 00:20:33,520 --> 00:20:37,040 Speaker 1: sort of dragged some kind of smudging tool to get 353 00:20:37,080 --> 00:20:40,520 Speaker 1: that like tied eye swirl effect that's really cool. 354 00:20:40,640 --> 00:20:44,080 Speaker 3: My favorite effect is sometimes they'll tape a piece of 355 00:20:44,200 --> 00:20:48,280 Speaker 3: string and like wind it up and make kind of 356 00:20:48,359 --> 00:20:50,679 Speaker 3: loop whoe and then tape it to the other side, 357 00:20:50,840 --> 00:20:52,760 Speaker 3: and so then they'll do the makeup over the string 358 00:20:52,840 --> 00:20:55,560 Speaker 3: and then just remove the string, so you get skin 359 00:20:55,640 --> 00:20:57,879 Speaker 3: color as sort of the white tied eye line. Sometimes 360 00:20:57,880 --> 00:21:01,119 Speaker 3: people will use a white Uh. If you did not 361 00:21:01,200 --> 00:21:03,280 Speaker 3: come for the show for makeup, I'm so sorry, But 362 00:21:03,320 --> 00:21:06,920 Speaker 3: here we are. He's like a white eyeliner to sort 363 00:21:06,960 --> 00:21:11,119 Speaker 3: of highlight and make some cool color swishiness amongst all 364 00:21:11,119 --> 00:21:11,600 Speaker 3: the colors. 365 00:21:12,040 --> 00:21:15,520 Speaker 1: This show is all about how animals and humans aren't 366 00:21:15,560 --> 00:21:19,200 Speaker 1: so different and the fact that we love to put 367 00:21:19,280 --> 00:21:23,720 Speaker 1: color on our face. Animals also are these beautiful colors. Look, 368 00:21:24,000 --> 00:21:27,400 Speaker 1: it's just I think it's super creative and super awesome 369 00:21:27,960 --> 00:21:29,080 Speaker 1: what people do with makeup. 370 00:21:29,119 --> 00:21:30,320 Speaker 2: Can I ask you a question? 371 00:21:30,520 --> 00:21:33,639 Speaker 3: This coloring is so bold and unique, and I know 372 00:21:33,800 --> 00:21:36,840 Speaker 3: it lives in the India subcontinent and there are very 373 00:21:36,880 --> 00:21:40,040 Speaker 3: bold and beautiful colors in the forest there. But this 374 00:21:40,119 --> 00:21:43,200 Speaker 3: guy sticks out like you would see him if he 375 00:21:43,520 --> 00:21:44,359 Speaker 3: was running around. 376 00:21:44,440 --> 00:21:47,000 Speaker 2: There's no bunding in for this little dude. 377 00:21:47,480 --> 00:21:51,639 Speaker 3: Is this specifically for mating is because it can't be 378 00:21:51,680 --> 00:21:52,159 Speaker 3: for hiding. 379 00:21:52,640 --> 00:21:56,960 Speaker 1: Well, that's what's interesting is that sometimes coloration to our 380 00:21:57,080 --> 00:22:01,280 Speaker 1: eyes will look like something that stands out that could 381 00:22:01,359 --> 00:22:05,240 Speaker 1: not possibly camouflage them, but then to their predators, because 382 00:22:05,240 --> 00:22:07,919 Speaker 1: they have a different different types of vision, like they 383 00:22:07,920 --> 00:22:09,919 Speaker 1: don't have the kind of color vision that we have. 384 00:22:10,520 --> 00:22:13,800 Speaker 1: Something like this, like this blocky, patchy coloration with a 385 00:22:13,880 --> 00:22:17,679 Speaker 1: lighter under belly and a darker thought might actually be 386 00:22:17,840 --> 00:22:20,320 Speaker 1: harder to spot because like if you have a light 387 00:22:20,560 --> 00:22:23,360 Speaker 1: belly and a dark top, Like if you have light 388 00:22:23,440 --> 00:22:25,639 Speaker 1: coming in from a top source, say like you're in 389 00:22:27,160 --> 00:22:29,920 Speaker 1: a rainforest, right and light is coming filtering through the 390 00:22:30,000 --> 00:22:33,680 Speaker 1: leaves above, and so when you look up, things are lighter, 391 00:22:33,720 --> 00:22:35,840 Speaker 1: and when you look down kind of like things are 392 00:22:35,960 --> 00:22:39,120 Speaker 1: patchier and more like the shadow lights up on them. 393 00:22:39,160 --> 00:22:42,160 Speaker 1: So something that has a light belly but then sort 394 00:22:42,200 --> 00:22:47,000 Speaker 1: of a blocky, darker top might actually be harder to spot, 395 00:22:47,240 --> 00:22:52,320 Speaker 1: especially if your vision does not process the same range 396 00:22:52,359 --> 00:22:56,240 Speaker 1: of colors as human vision. But it can also be 397 00:22:56,520 --> 00:23:00,680 Speaker 1: for mate selection, right, like having a lot of colors 398 00:23:00,760 --> 00:23:04,880 Speaker 1: like you have this sort of you have two needs 399 00:23:04,960 --> 00:23:07,720 Speaker 1: that can be in conflict with each other. The need 400 00:23:07,800 --> 00:23:10,240 Speaker 1: to not be eaten by a predator, but also the 401 00:23:10,320 --> 00:23:13,960 Speaker 1: need to stand out and be noticed by a mate. 402 00:23:14,200 --> 00:23:19,399 Speaker 1: So having coloration that attracts conspecifics like members of your 403 00:23:19,440 --> 00:23:21,880 Speaker 1: own species that you want to make that you want 404 00:23:21,880 --> 00:23:25,159 Speaker 1: to mate with, can be advantageous, but it's balanced with 405 00:23:25,800 --> 00:23:28,480 Speaker 1: not wanting to be spotted by predators. So sometimes you 406 00:23:28,560 --> 00:23:33,919 Speaker 1: have animals who are brightly colored in certain ways, but 407 00:23:34,000 --> 00:23:39,040 Speaker 1: also maybe their coloration is in certain sort of like 408 00:23:39,920 --> 00:23:44,159 Speaker 1: blocky patches, so that it does somewhat break up the 409 00:23:44,200 --> 00:23:47,320 Speaker 1: pattern of what shape they're supposed to be. Or they 410 00:23:47,359 --> 00:23:50,120 Speaker 1: are really colorful and really conspicuous, but they have other 411 00:23:50,240 --> 00:23:54,639 Speaker 1: methods of escape, such as being able to fly away 412 00:23:54,840 --> 00:23:58,199 Speaker 1: or speed away very quickly, or they're really big and 413 00:23:58,280 --> 00:24:01,320 Speaker 1: so they don't have to worry about predators. 414 00:24:02,960 --> 00:24:06,320 Speaker 3: Is that I think, Okay, I'm having a vague memory, 415 00:24:06,400 --> 00:24:09,560 Speaker 3: so maybe I'm wrong or conflating things, but like that's 416 00:24:09,680 --> 00:24:11,840 Speaker 3: why zebras are colored the way they are, right Like 417 00:24:11,880 --> 00:24:15,280 Speaker 3: when tigers see them, it's like all green to them. 418 00:24:15,359 --> 00:24:16,959 Speaker 3: Is that I kind of blend in with the grass 419 00:24:16,960 --> 00:24:17,840 Speaker 3: with they're black and white. 420 00:24:18,040 --> 00:24:23,520 Speaker 1: So yeah, it's so it's disruptive coloration. So for zebras, 421 00:24:23,520 --> 00:24:26,880 Speaker 1: they would mostly be concerned about lions, and for zebras, 422 00:24:26,880 --> 00:24:33,439 Speaker 1: they're going to be in herds where they are, you know, 423 00:24:33,560 --> 00:24:35,800 Speaker 1: kind of blending in with each other. So the idea 424 00:24:35,960 --> 00:24:38,440 Speaker 1: is it's difficult for a lion or even something like 425 00:24:38,480 --> 00:24:43,680 Speaker 1: a mosquito to differentiate a individual and to be able 426 00:24:43,720 --> 00:24:46,960 Speaker 1: to tell which direction they're going in. It's there's something 427 00:24:47,000 --> 00:24:51,960 Speaker 1: called a barber shop or barber shop poll illusion. It's 428 00:24:52,000 --> 00:24:54,440 Speaker 1: like when you have the lines of the barber shop 429 00:24:54,520 --> 00:24:57,800 Speaker 1: spinning around, sometimes you could interpret it as it going 430 00:24:57,880 --> 00:25:00,760 Speaker 1: down or going up, just ending on kind of how 431 00:25:00,760 --> 00:25:03,720 Speaker 1: you went or think about it. And that could be 432 00:25:03,760 --> 00:25:06,640 Speaker 1: the case with zebras, where you have all these stripes, 433 00:25:06,640 --> 00:25:09,439 Speaker 1: and so it makes it not only difficult to know 434 00:25:09,520 --> 00:25:13,520 Speaker 1: where one individual starts and another one ends, but which 435 00:25:13,600 --> 00:25:17,080 Speaker 1: direction the herd is moving or which in each individual 436 00:25:17,080 --> 00:25:19,840 Speaker 1: and the herd is moving. And then so for like, 437 00:25:20,480 --> 00:25:26,320 Speaker 1: that's one of the questions about why if tigers are 438 00:25:26,640 --> 00:25:30,480 Speaker 1: so brightly colored right there, orange and black, so to 439 00:25:30,640 --> 00:25:32,719 Speaker 1: us they just pop right out. We can see them 440 00:25:32,760 --> 00:25:36,840 Speaker 1: really easily, or even like a leopard right like, they're 441 00:25:36,880 --> 00:25:40,879 Speaker 1: so brightly colored. Wouldn't in their ambush predators, wouldn't their 442 00:25:40,880 --> 00:25:45,359 Speaker 1: prey see them. Well, that has to do with the 443 00:25:45,359 --> 00:25:47,960 Speaker 1: the way that the vision of most of their prey is, 444 00:25:48,040 --> 00:25:50,760 Speaker 1: which is they they won't see so much the difference 445 00:25:50,760 --> 00:25:55,240 Speaker 1: between oranges and greens, and so that orange and black 446 00:25:55,960 --> 00:25:59,560 Speaker 1: striped coloration or that orange and black kind of dotted 447 00:25:59,600 --> 00:26:04,280 Speaker 1: coloration will look like sort of a dappled light coming 448 00:26:04,280 --> 00:26:07,480 Speaker 1: in in the in the jungle or in the forest 449 00:26:07,680 --> 00:26:12,439 Speaker 1: and sort of like just light dappled greenery essentially, so 450 00:26:12,440 --> 00:26:14,960 Speaker 1: they blend in really well, but not to us humans, 451 00:26:16,119 --> 00:26:17,280 Speaker 1: which is good for us. 452 00:26:18,840 --> 00:26:21,159 Speaker 3: We can tell the difference between orange and green. We 453 00:26:21,200 --> 00:26:24,639 Speaker 3: can see it clear off. Yes, Okay, I definitely was 454 00:26:24,680 --> 00:26:26,520 Speaker 3: conflating multiple stories in there. 455 00:26:26,520 --> 00:26:30,159 Speaker 1: But they're all very interesting. Yeah, yeah, yeah, but you 456 00:26:30,240 --> 00:26:32,760 Speaker 1: were thinking that is correct, that that is the same 457 00:26:32,800 --> 00:26:38,200 Speaker 1: thing that I'm talking about. But yeah, speaking of sort 458 00:26:38,200 --> 00:26:45,280 Speaker 1: of brightly colored little little forest animals, this is technically 459 00:26:45,320 --> 00:26:48,000 Speaker 1: a bird, so it's not unusual for birds to be 460 00:26:48,080 --> 00:26:51,159 Speaker 1: brightly colored. But the reason I'm bringing this one up 461 00:26:51,240 --> 00:26:55,240 Speaker 1: is it's a pigeon, which we're so used to the drab, 462 00:26:55,520 --> 00:26:59,199 Speaker 1: boring pigeons of our cities. I actually love them, but 463 00:26:59,280 --> 00:27:01,560 Speaker 1: a lot of people find them, you know, they're gray 464 00:27:01,760 --> 00:27:03,760 Speaker 1: so they're not usually that interesting. 465 00:27:04,760 --> 00:27:07,320 Speaker 2: But these arts of the sky we used to call 466 00:27:07,400 --> 00:27:08,240 Speaker 2: them in college. 467 00:27:08,840 --> 00:27:13,399 Speaker 1: Yes, the flying rats. I actually quite love pigeons, but 468 00:27:13,520 --> 00:27:17,920 Speaker 1: they are I wouldn't call them the most beautiful of birds. 469 00:27:19,080 --> 00:27:21,560 Speaker 1: We do actually get a lot of color variations here 470 00:27:21,600 --> 00:27:27,240 Speaker 1: because most city pigeons are actually descendants of domesticated pigeons, 471 00:27:27,400 --> 00:27:30,200 Speaker 1: and so you actually do get like brown and white 472 00:27:30,440 --> 00:27:34,199 Speaker 1: and you know, black, sort of like pigeons that have 473 00:27:34,240 --> 00:27:38,000 Speaker 1: been bred specifically for their colors and then they're released 474 00:27:38,000 --> 00:27:40,480 Speaker 1: into the wild and now are released out into the city, 475 00:27:40,520 --> 00:27:43,520 Speaker 1: and now you have this feral pigeon population that has 476 00:27:43,560 --> 00:27:47,080 Speaker 1: all these interesting colors. But this one looks like it's 477 00:27:47,640 --> 00:27:51,480 Speaker 1: a Lisa Frank pigeon. If Lisa Frank ever drew a pigeon, 478 00:27:51,480 --> 00:27:53,680 Speaker 1: which I don't think she did, but had she, it 479 00:27:53,720 --> 00:27:56,840 Speaker 1: would look like this. It is like, it's a pigeon 480 00:27:56,880 --> 00:27:59,520 Speaker 1: that looks like it's made out of sorbet. It's beautiful. 481 00:28:01,320 --> 00:28:04,720 Speaker 3: It does, it does, guys. It has bright, hot pink feet. 482 00:28:04,880 --> 00:28:09,399 Speaker 3: It does so its shoe game is on point. Also, 483 00:28:09,640 --> 00:28:13,320 Speaker 3: so many colors neck one color like front, breast area, 484 00:28:13,400 --> 00:28:19,320 Speaker 3: different color head, different multi colored wings and tail, vibrant sunning. 485 00:28:19,840 --> 00:28:21,919 Speaker 2: Send it to New York Fashion Week. It's ready for 486 00:28:22,000 --> 00:28:22,600 Speaker 2: its close up. 487 00:28:23,720 --> 00:28:27,879 Speaker 1: So these pigeons are related to our city pigeons. They 488 00:28:27,880 --> 00:28:32,680 Speaker 1: are found in Southeast Asia, and both males and females 489 00:28:32,720 --> 00:28:35,960 Speaker 1: are colorful, but more so the males, because females are 490 00:28:36,040 --> 00:28:39,120 Speaker 1: more just kind of variations of greens and yellows, whereas 491 00:28:39,160 --> 00:28:43,800 Speaker 1: males are a variety of color. Their faces are powder blue, 492 00:28:43,840 --> 00:28:47,560 Speaker 1: their neck is a lavender color, their chest is orange, 493 00:28:47,600 --> 00:28:51,680 Speaker 1: their belly is green, their back is olive green. Their 494 00:28:51,840 --> 00:28:55,680 Speaker 1: wings have these yellow stripes, and then under their tail 495 00:28:55,840 --> 00:29:00,320 Speaker 1: is orange and their feet are hot pink. They are incredible. 496 00:29:02,080 --> 00:29:03,320 Speaker 2: Truly a stunning bird. 497 00:29:04,160 --> 00:29:06,280 Speaker 3: And there's a lot of competition for stunning birds, as 498 00:29:06,320 --> 00:29:09,720 Speaker 3: we just discussed with the regular pigeons. You know, they 499 00:29:09,760 --> 00:29:12,320 Speaker 3: look fine, Let's be real, they look fine. But when 500 00:29:12,320 --> 00:29:16,240 Speaker 3: we're talking about freaking peacocks, and yeah, I don't know 501 00:29:16,360 --> 00:29:18,760 Speaker 3: that whatever that one dancing bird in the Amazon is 502 00:29:19,520 --> 00:29:23,240 Speaker 3: a competition is stiff. This guy a class of his own, 503 00:29:23,680 --> 00:29:26,720 Speaker 3: truly unique. Have never seen a bird that looks anything 504 00:29:26,960 --> 00:29:30,520 Speaker 3: like this just from a color perspective, and it's strange, 505 00:29:30,560 --> 00:29:35,280 Speaker 3: I think, because it does just like a pigeon. I 506 00:29:35,720 --> 00:29:37,120 Speaker 3: has like, what kind of bird this is? I would 507 00:29:37,120 --> 00:29:40,120 Speaker 3: guess pigeon. It looks like a pigeon, but just like 508 00:29:40,160 --> 00:29:42,040 Speaker 3: a pigeon with incredible fashion sense. 509 00:29:42,400 --> 00:29:46,240 Speaker 1: It's very pigeon coded because it is one hundred percent 510 00:29:46,440 --> 00:29:49,080 Speaker 1: pigeon shaped, which is what's kind of interesting when you 511 00:29:49,120 --> 00:29:51,800 Speaker 1: look at the whole dove family, because pigeons and doves 512 00:29:51,840 --> 00:29:54,400 Speaker 1: are the same thing. Any you look at any dove, 513 00:29:54,480 --> 00:29:59,479 Speaker 1: you look at any pigeon, rock, dove, roe, you know, pigeons, everything, 514 00:29:59,520 --> 00:30:04,280 Speaker 1: They all are essentially the same shape. Just that shape. 515 00:30:04,080 --> 00:30:05,840 Speaker 2: Does just have a better PR team. 516 00:30:05,920 --> 00:30:08,080 Speaker 1: Doves just have a better PR team. They're like, oh, 517 00:30:08,120 --> 00:30:10,680 Speaker 1: look at this pretty white dove. It's a symbol of peace. 518 00:30:10,680 --> 00:30:13,280 Speaker 1: And then get away from me, you dirty pigeon. You 519 00:30:13,320 --> 00:30:18,600 Speaker 1: can't have my fries. But yeah, this one is, this 520 00:30:18,640 --> 00:30:25,440 Speaker 1: one is so so pretty. It lives in mangrove forests 521 00:30:25,520 --> 00:30:30,800 Speaker 1: or in regular forests. But they are similar to pigeons 522 00:30:30,840 --> 00:30:34,400 Speaker 1: found in like the US, and I mean all throughout 523 00:30:34,800 --> 00:30:38,560 Speaker 1: America and then also in Europe because they are really 524 00:30:38,600 --> 00:30:43,440 Speaker 1: good at adapting to urban environments, so like in sort 525 00:30:43,440 --> 00:30:48,400 Speaker 1: of farms or human settlements or cities near where they live, 526 00:30:49,120 --> 00:30:51,479 Speaker 1: they can exploit these, and they can find food on 527 00:30:51,600 --> 00:30:55,400 Speaker 1: farms and in people's gardens. They're frug of wars, so 528 00:30:55,440 --> 00:30:59,719 Speaker 1: they eat mostly fruit and most of their diet is 529 00:30:59,760 --> 00:31:04,120 Speaker 1: just figs. They love figs and they're really good for Okay, 530 00:31:04,240 --> 00:31:06,480 Speaker 1: who doesn't love a fig? Well, actually a lot of 531 00:31:06,480 --> 00:31:06,960 Speaker 1: people don't. 532 00:31:07,000 --> 00:31:11,200 Speaker 3: I was gonna say, can't blame them. Those people are incorrect. 533 00:31:11,240 --> 00:31:13,440 Speaker 3: They are not to be judgmental. 534 00:31:13,520 --> 00:31:15,640 Speaker 1: But yeah, when I was a kid, I didn't like 535 00:31:15,680 --> 00:31:18,200 Speaker 1: figs almost literally, but I changed my mind. 536 00:31:18,600 --> 00:31:20,680 Speaker 2: They're an adult taste for sure. 537 00:31:20,440 --> 00:31:22,200 Speaker 1: It's acquired taste. 538 00:31:22,480 --> 00:31:24,400 Speaker 3: Get somebody who didn't grow up with figs. Like, when 539 00:31:24,440 --> 00:31:26,920 Speaker 3: you first come across them, you're like, it's like a 540 00:31:26,920 --> 00:31:30,280 Speaker 3: brown fruit that looks kind of wrinkled and shriveled up, 541 00:31:30,320 --> 00:31:34,840 Speaker 3: and you're like, oh, maybe that. Typically the foods I 542 00:31:34,880 --> 00:31:37,520 Speaker 3: have had experience eating don't look like this, and so 543 00:31:37,600 --> 00:31:38,960 Speaker 3: it was definitely like a learning curve. 544 00:31:39,000 --> 00:31:39,480 Speaker 2: But once you. 545 00:31:39,400 --> 00:31:42,360 Speaker 3: Start mowing on them, oh my god, they're very so sweet, 546 00:31:42,440 --> 00:31:44,840 Speaker 3: so tasty, so getting so many different things. 547 00:31:45,400 --> 00:31:49,720 Speaker 1: They're also I remember learning when I was young that 548 00:31:49,800 --> 00:31:53,800 Speaker 1: like sometimes wasps would like go inside of figs and 549 00:31:53,920 --> 00:31:56,040 Speaker 1: completely their life cycle inside figs. So I was like 550 00:31:56,120 --> 00:31:57,760 Speaker 1: kind of scared of eating them because I thought I 551 00:31:57,800 --> 00:32:00,600 Speaker 1: was just gonna find a giant wasp. I got older, 552 00:32:00,640 --> 00:32:03,720 Speaker 1: I learned that while this is true, there are wasps 553 00:32:03,840 --> 00:32:08,600 Speaker 1: that you know, lay their larva inside figs. They're tiny, 554 00:32:08,720 --> 00:32:13,240 Speaker 1: They're teeny tiny, itty bitty bitty bitty wasps, not scary 555 00:32:13,280 --> 00:32:17,560 Speaker 1: at all. So even even if the figs, it's just 556 00:32:17,600 --> 00:32:20,880 Speaker 1: free protein and they're like they're like ant sized or 557 00:32:20,920 --> 00:32:23,360 Speaker 1: even smaller. So like, once you get to that size 558 00:32:23,360 --> 00:32:26,640 Speaker 1: of an insect, if I eat it, I'm like, mmmm, 559 00:32:27,480 --> 00:32:33,040 Speaker 1: it's garnish. So yeah, So these birds love figs and 560 00:32:33,320 --> 00:32:38,960 Speaker 1: they're beautiful, and they're also very adaptable in situations such 561 00:32:39,040 --> 00:32:43,760 Speaker 1: as volcanic eruptions. They have survived their populations, maybe not 562 00:32:43,840 --> 00:32:48,760 Speaker 1: specific individuals have survived the eruption of Krakatoa in eighteen 563 00:32:48,800 --> 00:32:53,000 Speaker 1: eighty three. They were one of the only fruit eating 564 00:32:53,040 --> 00:32:59,520 Speaker 1: animals to quickly return and adapt to the post eruption islands. Essentially, 565 00:32:59,560 --> 00:33:04,640 Speaker 1: as long as there's some figs somewhere, they can They're fine, 566 00:33:04,760 --> 00:33:07,680 Speaker 1: like figs or some fruit there, they will go there 567 00:33:07,760 --> 00:33:08,800 Speaker 1: and they will make it work. 568 00:33:10,880 --> 00:33:14,080 Speaker 3: I know pigeons for such good flyers, Like obviously I 569 00:33:14,120 --> 00:33:18,560 Speaker 3: don't fly or whatever escaping a volcanos and the like 570 00:33:18,640 --> 00:33:22,320 Speaker 3: the loan survivors. That's some pretty serious slapping, which I 571 00:33:22,320 --> 00:33:24,480 Speaker 3: would not have thought could happen in a pigeon. 572 00:33:24,560 --> 00:33:28,760 Speaker 1: I mean it's like, I don't know how well a 573 00:33:28,840 --> 00:33:37,640 Speaker 1: pigeon could outfly like pyroclastic flow. Probably not well, but 574 00:33:38,400 --> 00:33:41,800 Speaker 1: enough of them are gonna survive at eruption, right, like 575 00:33:41,920 --> 00:33:44,920 Speaker 1: get out of there in time that they are able 576 00:33:44,960 --> 00:33:49,320 Speaker 1: to re establish their population. But yeah, they are. They 577 00:33:49,360 --> 00:33:52,640 Speaker 1: are good flyers. They don't actually migrate so much, but 578 00:33:52,800 --> 00:33:58,760 Speaker 1: they're flying is used for locating figs and zeroing in 579 00:33:59,200 --> 00:34:03,080 Speaker 1: on those figs and then eating those figs. 580 00:34:03,840 --> 00:34:05,800 Speaker 3: I don't know, it's gonna be such a big heavy episode, 581 00:34:05,800 --> 00:34:07,440 Speaker 3: but now I'm craving figs. 582 00:34:07,240 --> 00:34:11,360 Speaker 1: I know, right, I've kind of tucked myself into wanting figs, 583 00:34:11,400 --> 00:34:13,919 Speaker 1: you know, like you know how the inside of figs are, 584 00:34:14,000 --> 00:34:16,440 Speaker 1: like they have all those little nodules, like the little 585 00:34:17,440 --> 00:34:20,719 Speaker 1: I don't like just like it's a weird texture. It's 586 00:34:20,800 --> 00:34:23,120 Speaker 1: kind of like it's like a flower that's folded in 587 00:34:23,160 --> 00:34:25,879 Speaker 1: on itself, you know, like how like a daisy has 588 00:34:25,960 --> 00:34:30,560 Speaker 1: those little little nodules. I'm bad at plant biology, so 589 00:34:30,600 --> 00:34:34,279 Speaker 1: I forget what they're called, but it's like essentially like 590 00:34:34,800 --> 00:34:37,160 Speaker 1: that part of the daisy, that center part that's all 591 00:34:37,160 --> 00:34:40,480 Speaker 1: bumpy but folded in on itself, and it's a very 592 00:34:40,520 --> 00:34:46,200 Speaker 1: specific kind of fruit development, which is actually why wasps 593 00:34:46,360 --> 00:34:50,320 Speaker 1: use figs to do their reproduction, because there's like actually 594 00:34:50,440 --> 00:34:53,000 Speaker 1: these little nooks and crannies that these tiny wasps can 595 00:34:53,080 --> 00:34:56,759 Speaker 1: lay their larva in. So it's it's a you know, 596 00:34:56,920 --> 00:35:00,120 Speaker 1: figs are cool. Figs are very interesting, and the list. 597 00:35:00,560 --> 00:35:04,480 Speaker 3: They're rich in anti inflammatory and antioxidants, which I know 598 00:35:04,600 --> 00:35:06,759 Speaker 3: is not a real thing, but who cares. It's a 599 00:35:06,800 --> 00:35:10,000 Speaker 3: great excuse to eat more figs. They are so tasty 600 00:35:10,040 --> 00:35:12,600 Speaker 3: and sweet, y'all. If you have figs on a pizza, oh, 601 00:35:12,920 --> 00:35:13,560 Speaker 3: next level. 602 00:35:13,680 --> 00:35:16,560 Speaker 1: It's a I mean, those things are real. It's just 603 00:35:16,760 --> 00:35:20,319 Speaker 1: like you're not. There's not I don't really believe in 604 00:35:20,400 --> 00:35:23,040 Speaker 1: like the superfood kind of thing where it's like if 605 00:35:23,040 --> 00:35:27,680 Speaker 1: you just eat figs, you will never get cancer. That's 606 00:35:27,760 --> 00:35:32,120 Speaker 1: just not how it works. But they're healthy, right, Like 607 00:35:32,400 --> 00:35:36,080 Speaker 1: a fig is gonna be better for you than maybe 608 00:35:36,120 --> 00:35:37,719 Speaker 1: like a dorrito. 609 00:35:40,360 --> 00:35:42,719 Speaker 2: I bet they're beating the hell out of doritos. 610 00:35:42,800 --> 00:35:46,239 Speaker 1: Yeah, not to single out dorito's. There's nothing wrong with 611 00:35:46,360 --> 00:35:49,840 Speaker 1: having a dorito. I'm just saying, if you could choose 612 00:35:49,920 --> 00:35:55,319 Speaker 1: between you think it's a bad food, it's well, it's 613 00:35:55,320 --> 00:35:58,319 Speaker 1: probably not the healthiest food of dorito. I don't know. 614 00:35:58,480 --> 00:36:02,960 Speaker 1: I don't know what damn it dorito causes exactly to 615 00:36:03,080 --> 00:36:07,800 Speaker 1: the body, but I would say a fig is probably 616 00:36:07,840 --> 00:36:11,920 Speaker 1: on average better for you than a dorito. Food science 617 00:36:12,040 --> 00:36:19,120 Speaker 1: is wild, though, Like it's so it's very I have 618 00:36:19,160 --> 00:36:22,000 Speaker 1: a lot of problems with like food science studies because 619 00:36:22,040 --> 00:36:24,279 Speaker 1: they're all over the place. Man, You'll get like a 620 00:36:24,320 --> 00:36:27,560 Speaker 1: study that's like, man, you should be drinking wine all 621 00:36:27,600 --> 00:36:30,920 Speaker 1: the time, and it turns out it's because like France 622 00:36:30,960 --> 00:36:35,439 Speaker 1: has a lower death rate, like lower cardiovascular death rate. Yeah, 623 00:36:35,560 --> 00:36:37,799 Speaker 1: well they drink a lot of wine, so maybe that's it. 624 00:36:37,880 --> 00:36:42,480 Speaker 1: It's like, guys, that's not that's not like, that's not 625 00:36:42,719 --> 00:36:43,920 Speaker 1: good to say science. 626 00:36:44,320 --> 00:36:47,399 Speaker 3: I just want y'all to know there are probably many 627 00:36:47,400 --> 00:36:53,320 Speaker 3: contributing factors. Yeah, I appreciate the excuse to drink wine. 628 00:36:53,719 --> 00:36:57,440 Speaker 3: What was the craziest when I saw yesterday, Oh they 629 00:36:57,440 --> 00:36:59,960 Speaker 3: were saying that staring at a woman's chest is how 630 00:37:00,120 --> 00:37:02,200 Speaker 3: fier than like drinking. 631 00:37:01,840 --> 00:37:03,440 Speaker 2: A bunch of water or something. I was like, that 632 00:37:03,480 --> 00:37:05,000 Speaker 2: cannot be true. That just. 633 00:37:06,800 --> 00:37:10,560 Speaker 3: Sometimes like what does it even mean? As it was 634 00:37:10,560 --> 00:37:12,200 Speaker 3: a German study, so maybe. 635 00:37:12,239 --> 00:37:14,680 Speaker 1: There there you go. No, I don't know. I'm joking. 636 00:37:14,719 --> 00:37:17,920 Speaker 1: I'm up, but no, I mean it doesn't that doesn't 637 00:37:17,960 --> 00:37:20,719 Speaker 1: make any like obviously you can't just stare at a 638 00:37:20,760 --> 00:37:23,960 Speaker 1: woman's chest and not drink water for the rest of 639 00:37:24,000 --> 00:37:27,040 Speaker 1: your life. You will die. I don't understand what they're 640 00:37:27,080 --> 00:37:31,200 Speaker 1: trying to say, Like it like it's stick like maybe 641 00:37:31,239 --> 00:37:34,759 Speaker 1: it like helps you in the moment or something like 642 00:37:34,800 --> 00:37:39,040 Speaker 1: maybe it increases your heart rate in the moment if 643 00:37:39,080 --> 00:37:41,480 Speaker 1: you like boobs, which, let's be honest, you. 644 00:37:41,480 --> 00:37:42,520 Speaker 2: Does see what you're saying. 645 00:37:42,600 --> 00:37:46,480 Speaker 1: Yeah, but like you're pretty great. They're they're they're good, 646 00:37:46,640 --> 00:37:51,440 Speaker 1: like you know, but like if I'm dying of thirst 647 00:37:51,680 --> 00:37:54,360 Speaker 1: and you're like, would you like to see the best 648 00:37:54,400 --> 00:37:55,120 Speaker 1: boobs in the. 649 00:37:55,040 --> 00:37:56,920 Speaker 2: World versus a glass of. 650 00:37:56,880 --> 00:37:59,879 Speaker 1: Water, I'm still gonna have the glass of water. 651 00:38:00,800 --> 00:38:07,680 Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, yeah, Like I don't understand these things. Fell 652 00:38:07,719 --> 00:38:09,000 Speaker 2: always something, but I. 653 00:38:08,960 --> 00:38:16,360 Speaker 1: Will Fellas is it? Uh is do you guys think 654 00:38:16,400 --> 00:38:20,239 Speaker 1: that you could not drink water? I shouldn't say just 655 00:38:20,320 --> 00:38:27,320 Speaker 1: fellas anyone of the sexual orientation to whom boobs is important? 656 00:38:28,320 --> 00:38:32,400 Speaker 1: Would you not drink water versus looking at boobs? Write 657 00:38:32,400 --> 00:38:34,360 Speaker 1: to me, don't write to me about that. I'm joking. 658 00:38:34,400 --> 00:38:36,120 Speaker 1: I don't actually want to hear about this. 659 00:38:38,760 --> 00:38:40,960 Speaker 3: I will say I do save these studies when it's 660 00:38:41,040 --> 00:38:43,799 Speaker 3: like helpful to me, when they're like, drinking coffee can 661 00:38:43,880 --> 00:38:46,200 Speaker 3: save your life. Yeah, I'll keep that in my back pocket. 662 00:38:46,280 --> 00:38:47,759 Speaker 3: So anytime someone's like, are you sure you want a 663 00:38:47,800 --> 00:38:50,200 Speaker 3: third cup of coffee? I can be like, listen this study. 664 00:38:50,280 --> 00:38:52,279 Speaker 3: I don't care where it's from or if it's real 665 00:38:52,360 --> 00:38:54,120 Speaker 3: or not, but it says that I should be drinking 666 00:38:54,200 --> 00:38:55,399 Speaker 3: as much coffee as I can. 667 00:38:55,920 --> 00:38:58,600 Speaker 2: So I'm gonna do it. I who am I to 668 00:38:58,600 --> 00:38:59,120 Speaker 2: a if. 669 00:38:59,040 --> 00:39:02,960 Speaker 1: It makes you feel good? That's I read something at 670 00:39:03,000 --> 00:39:05,680 Speaker 1: some point that said that dark chocolate's good for you, 671 00:39:05,800 --> 00:39:07,840 Speaker 1: And then like whenever it's like, oh, did you know 672 00:39:07,880 --> 00:39:11,279 Speaker 1: those studies are actually rad I don't want to hear it. 673 00:39:11,719 --> 00:39:12,880 Speaker 1: Dark chocolate good for you? 674 00:39:13,080 --> 00:39:14,080 Speaker 2: That study said it. 675 00:39:14,040 --> 00:39:17,399 Speaker 1: Study said it. Yeah, no, I know. I read the 676 00:39:17,440 --> 00:39:21,880 Speaker 1: most unhelpful like article the other day that was just like, 677 00:39:22,080 --> 00:39:24,759 Speaker 1: coffee could either save your life or kill you. I'm like, 678 00:39:25,120 --> 00:39:27,960 Speaker 1: that's literally everything. That's literally anything. 679 00:39:30,160 --> 00:39:32,719 Speaker 3: We should definitely figure out which one of those is 680 00:39:32,760 --> 00:39:36,000 Speaker 3: the final answer. Right, that's not even a good hypothesis, 681 00:39:36,040 --> 00:39:38,319 Speaker 3: like a great scientist would be like, you need to 682 00:39:38,360 --> 00:39:39,239 Speaker 3: go back to the jar. 683 00:39:39,440 --> 00:39:39,560 Speaker 2: Right. 684 00:39:39,800 --> 00:39:44,080 Speaker 1: Water could either save your life or kill you. Man. 685 00:39:44,160 --> 00:39:50,200 Speaker 1: It's this the state of health report, health nutrition reporting 686 00:39:50,320 --> 00:39:54,239 Speaker 1: is we need we need help. Anyways, we're going to 687 00:39:54,280 --> 00:39:56,959 Speaker 1: take a quick break and when we come back, we're 688 00:39:57,000 --> 00:40:02,359 Speaker 1: going to quickly shift the topic to mandrill butts. Oh 689 00:40:03,360 --> 00:40:05,960 Speaker 1: all right, so we're back in Joelle. We are talking 690 00:40:06,000 --> 00:40:11,000 Speaker 1: about man drill butts, which does sound like a pornographic title, 691 00:40:11,040 --> 00:40:15,480 Speaker 1: but it's it's this is it's animals. It's animals. 692 00:40:15,520 --> 00:40:20,360 Speaker 3: It's just okaynocent, not human males, no, no drills involved, 693 00:40:20,440 --> 00:40:21,320 Speaker 3: but lots of butts. 694 00:40:21,360 --> 00:40:25,319 Speaker 1: Yeah, it's not man drill butts, but mandrill butts. All right, 695 00:40:25,920 --> 00:40:31,920 Speaker 1: So man drills are these amazing primates found in rainforests 696 00:40:32,000 --> 00:40:36,719 Speaker 1: in west central Africa. They are the largest monkey in 697 00:40:36,800 --> 00:40:39,200 Speaker 1: the world. They're not apes. They are monkeys, even though 698 00:40:39,239 --> 00:40:43,520 Speaker 1: they have like a stubby tail. They're a short tailed monkey. 699 00:40:45,080 --> 00:40:48,000 Speaker 1: Uh and they weigh over seventy pounds, so they're they're big. 700 00:40:48,840 --> 00:40:50,319 Speaker 2: They are big boy. 701 00:40:50,480 --> 00:40:55,400 Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, I think they are uh, you know on 702 00:40:55,520 --> 00:41:01,120 Speaker 1: Lion King the guy refec Yeah, it's rafiki. 703 00:41:01,200 --> 00:41:05,719 Speaker 3: This is definitely rafiki. Blue and red nose, colorful. 704 00:41:05,239 --> 00:41:10,920 Speaker 1: Blue yes, and so are. They're all very striking, and 705 00:41:11,000 --> 00:41:14,680 Speaker 1: females are striking too. They have yellow beards, pink noses 706 00:41:14,719 --> 00:41:18,880 Speaker 1: in this kind of subtle blue blush along the grooves 707 00:41:18,960 --> 00:41:22,760 Speaker 1: in their face. But the males are the true beauty queens. 708 00:41:23,000 --> 00:41:29,640 Speaker 1: They have bright red noses, bright blue ridges along their 709 00:41:30,520 --> 00:41:35,640 Speaker 1: cheeks and noses. They have yellow beards and rainbow butts. 710 00:41:35,680 --> 00:41:38,759 Speaker 1: So females also have pink and blue coloration around their 711 00:41:38,800 --> 00:41:42,960 Speaker 1: butts and genitals, but the males just have really really 712 00:41:43,040 --> 00:41:48,480 Speaker 1: vibrant butts with pinks and blues and even like lavenders. 713 00:41:48,080 --> 00:41:51,560 Speaker 1: It's quite quite beautiful and stunning. 714 00:41:52,280 --> 00:41:56,640 Speaker 3: So okay, again, I was taught all color on animals 715 00:41:56,680 --> 00:42:02,040 Speaker 3: has some meeting or drive or purpose. This to my 716 00:42:02,200 --> 00:42:05,680 Speaker 3: human eyes looks like a target. But we've already discussed 717 00:42:05,680 --> 00:42:10,160 Speaker 3: animals c with the human eye view scope, So but 718 00:42:10,640 --> 00:42:12,640 Speaker 3: why a colorful ass. 719 00:42:12,640 --> 00:42:15,879 Speaker 1: In this case? You are correct that this is more 720 00:42:16,000 --> 00:42:20,160 Speaker 1: or less a target. There's a few functions for these 721 00:42:20,200 --> 00:42:25,600 Speaker 1: bright butts, social and practical. So socially, these bright colors 722 00:42:25,640 --> 00:42:30,520 Speaker 1: communicate things. They can even become more vibrant when the 723 00:42:30,600 --> 00:42:36,360 Speaker 1: individual is excited or agitated. It is attractive to females. 724 00:42:36,400 --> 00:42:39,560 Speaker 1: Females find a really vibrant butt on a male to 725 00:42:39,640 --> 00:42:45,359 Speaker 1: be attractive. It can also signal dominance, both in their 726 00:42:45,400 --> 00:42:48,840 Speaker 1: faces and their butts. The higher contrast between sort of 727 00:42:48,840 --> 00:42:52,880 Speaker 1: the red and the blue hues, the more respected, the 728 00:42:52,880 --> 00:42:57,160 Speaker 1: more attractive typically goes along with being more dominant, getting 729 00:42:57,239 --> 00:43:00,399 Speaker 1: more mates, and having a higher place on the social higherarchy. 730 00:43:02,080 --> 00:43:05,000 Speaker 1: But the practical reason that they have these bright butts 731 00:43:05,040 --> 00:43:07,840 Speaker 1: is that when they are walking in these sort of 732 00:43:07,960 --> 00:43:13,600 Speaker 1: dark dense forests, these butts will stand out to the 733 00:43:13,680 --> 00:43:16,160 Speaker 1: members of the troop behind them, so it's easier for 734 00:43:16,200 --> 00:43:19,520 Speaker 1: them to follow each other. And so it's kind of 735 00:43:19,560 --> 00:43:21,200 Speaker 1: like you know, when you're like on a tour guide 736 00:43:21,200 --> 00:43:23,680 Speaker 1: and the tour guide has like the flag that they're 737 00:43:23,719 --> 00:43:25,920 Speaker 1: waving and it's kind of a unique flag, so you 738 00:43:25,960 --> 00:43:29,160 Speaker 1: can see it and it's bright. It's like that but 739 00:43:29,840 --> 00:43:31,880 Speaker 1: a butt, but a butt a mandrel. 740 00:43:31,920 --> 00:43:35,480 Speaker 2: But okay, I'm not mad at it. 741 00:43:35,640 --> 00:43:42,279 Speaker 3: The butts good. It's giving psychedelic fair coat, which, as 742 00:43:42,320 --> 00:43:45,680 Speaker 3: we've already talked about, Lisa Frank. We love so psychedelics. 743 00:43:45,840 --> 00:43:48,120 Speaker 3: Lisa Frank should have done a mandrel. 744 00:43:47,760 --> 00:43:52,680 Speaker 2: But yes, the color scheme is very on brand for her. 745 00:43:53,760 --> 00:43:58,400 Speaker 3: Monkeys can be cute and sort of you know, visious 746 00:43:58,440 --> 00:44:02,080 Speaker 3: like a dolphin, but still a door Lisa Frank, if 747 00:44:02,080 --> 00:44:04,640 Speaker 3: you're out here looking for new ideas, the mandrel butt, 748 00:44:04,680 --> 00:44:05,640 Speaker 3: it's right there for you. 749 00:44:05,880 --> 00:44:09,279 Speaker 1: Like your audiences, all adults, now, we can handle a 750 00:44:09,320 --> 00:44:10,879 Speaker 1: mandrel butt. You know. 751 00:44:12,320 --> 00:44:15,439 Speaker 2: You've already tackled crocs, the ugliest thing known to man. 752 00:44:15,640 --> 00:44:21,120 Speaker 3: Mandrel butts will be Wait, there's there's Lisa Frank CrOx 753 00:44:21,200 --> 00:44:21,920 Speaker 3: like the shoe. 754 00:44:23,560 --> 00:44:24,080 Speaker 2: Oh my gosh. 755 00:44:24,200 --> 00:44:29,719 Speaker 3: Yes, okay, So friend of this podcast, Jamie loftis over 756 00:44:29,760 --> 00:44:32,439 Speaker 3: the holidays, so I went uh to be a part 757 00:44:32,480 --> 00:44:32,719 Speaker 3: of it. 758 00:44:33,120 --> 00:44:34,399 Speaker 2: And she came in with. 759 00:44:34,560 --> 00:44:41,760 Speaker 3: Platform crocs that were Lisa Frank branded, colorful leopard spots 760 00:44:41,800 --> 00:44:43,759 Speaker 3: all over them and they are fabulous. 761 00:44:43,760 --> 00:44:50,400 Speaker 1: Okay, I just found them online. Incredible. I'm speechless. 762 00:44:52,320 --> 00:44:54,760 Speaker 2: Yeah, there's huge platform shoes. 763 00:44:55,000 --> 00:44:57,480 Speaker 3: They're like almost like high heels, except even across the 764 00:44:57,520 --> 00:45:01,480 Speaker 3: bright huge early to thousands chunky shoe. 765 00:45:01,520 --> 00:45:04,719 Speaker 1: Huge pink platform that also looks functional right like, it 766 00:45:04,760 --> 00:45:07,120 Speaker 1: looks like it's got a lot of grip, so I 767 00:45:07,200 --> 00:45:11,359 Speaker 1: could be like, I could be using those in sort 768 00:45:11,400 --> 00:45:16,000 Speaker 1: of a wet, slippery situation, but it's a hot pink 769 00:45:16,080 --> 00:45:18,879 Speaker 1: And then on top of that, it's got this sort 770 00:45:18,880 --> 00:45:23,040 Speaker 1: of like classic croc thing but in those bright rainbow 771 00:45:24,040 --> 00:45:27,600 Speaker 1: Lisa Frank leopard spots and it looks like it's bejeweled 772 00:45:27,640 --> 00:45:28,200 Speaker 1: as well. 773 00:45:30,239 --> 00:45:32,840 Speaker 3: Crocs has these little chochkey things that you can write 774 00:45:32,840 --> 00:45:35,160 Speaker 3: in the holes that I can't remember was the lot, 775 00:45:35,200 --> 00:45:37,360 Speaker 3: but yes, and they come with little animals, so you 776 00:45:37,440 --> 00:45:41,480 Speaker 3: can get the classic leopard, which we love. I think 777 00:45:41,520 --> 00:45:45,360 Speaker 3: they also have the panda. And if you don't have 778 00:45:45,360 --> 00:45:49,120 Speaker 3: a dolphin, they should because least Frank dolphins. It's synonymous 779 00:45:49,120 --> 00:45:49,640 Speaker 3: with one another. 780 00:45:50,160 --> 00:45:56,879 Speaker 1: I mean, it's this is incredible. I just the human ingenuity, right, 781 00:45:57,440 --> 00:46:01,040 Speaker 1: but this is like, looks we did. We did not 782 00:46:01,200 --> 00:46:05,120 Speaker 1: evolve from mandrels. In fact, we're not very close relatives 783 00:46:05,160 --> 00:46:09,520 Speaker 1: to them. However, we are all primates and so you 784 00:46:09,600 --> 00:46:13,000 Speaker 1: can't tell me that these bright Lisa Frank crocs don't 785 00:46:13,040 --> 00:46:17,759 Speaker 1: serve a similar purpose to the mandril. But of establishing 786 00:46:17,880 --> 00:46:19,520 Speaker 1: social dominance. 787 00:46:21,360 --> 00:46:24,680 Speaker 3: I listen, and who would no one would dare call 788 00:46:24,920 --> 00:46:29,080 Speaker 3: Jamie loftus anything but dominate Okay, uh, you can get 789 00:46:29,120 --> 00:46:32,360 Speaker 3: a Lisa Frank five pack of gibbets. Is what the 790 00:46:32,400 --> 00:46:38,080 Speaker 3: little charms are called, gibbets. That's that's their choice. Yes, 791 00:46:40,120 --> 00:46:41,240 Speaker 3: they do have a dolphin. 792 00:46:41,440 --> 00:46:41,960 Speaker 2: I knew it. 793 00:46:42,080 --> 00:46:46,800 Speaker 3: They also had the Lisa Frank logo and the alien 794 00:46:46,960 --> 00:46:49,760 Speaker 3: in the punch buggy car, and a unicorn jumping over 795 00:46:49,880 --> 00:46:54,720 Speaker 3: a rainbow, and a shooting star and kitties. 796 00:46:54,719 --> 00:46:58,160 Speaker 2: Little kiddies. Oh man, these are so cute. I have 797 00:46:58,200 --> 00:47:01,160 Speaker 2: a problem. I don't even own these, but I'm considering 798 00:47:01,200 --> 00:47:02,200 Speaker 2: buying these gibbets. 799 00:47:04,640 --> 00:47:06,480 Speaker 1: Oh god, man. 800 00:47:06,680 --> 00:47:09,160 Speaker 2: You know, permanently establish my social dominance. 801 00:47:09,920 --> 00:47:13,799 Speaker 1: I just learned today what gibbets are. And to make 802 00:47:13,920 --> 00:47:17,719 Speaker 1: room in my brain, I've forgotten like another year of 803 00:47:17,840 --> 00:47:20,640 Speaker 1: high school math to make room for this new concept 804 00:47:20,680 --> 00:47:21,400 Speaker 1: of gibbets. 805 00:47:22,719 --> 00:47:25,600 Speaker 2: You'll never use it. This is much more valuable to you. 806 00:47:25,800 --> 00:47:25,960 Speaker 3: Yeah. 807 00:47:26,080 --> 00:47:29,320 Speaker 1: No, gibbets I think are gonna be. It's gonna probably 808 00:47:29,520 --> 00:47:33,880 Speaker 1: like if society collapses, we'll start using gibbets as currency. 809 00:47:35,560 --> 00:47:40,760 Speaker 1: Perfect well, Joel, Before we go, we got to play 810 00:47:41,000 --> 00:47:45,880 Speaker 1: the Mystery Animal sound game. Now we have this is 811 00:47:45,960 --> 00:47:48,560 Speaker 1: like the first Mystery Animal sound game of the year 812 00:47:48,680 --> 00:47:53,319 Speaker 1: because we came back from winter break and then we 813 00:47:53,440 --> 00:47:58,440 Speaker 1: had some listener questions episodes and we had an interview. 814 00:47:59,080 --> 00:48:03,719 Speaker 1: So like, this is the first like og style episode 815 00:48:04,280 --> 00:48:10,320 Speaker 1: since since December, so we are this is the first 816 00:48:10,680 --> 00:48:15,560 Speaker 1: mister Animal sound game of twenty twenty four. If you 817 00:48:15,560 --> 00:48:21,200 Speaker 1: guys remember the old Mystery animal sound from last year, 818 00:48:23,080 --> 00:48:26,640 Speaker 1: the hint was this, these are the best friends to 819 00:48:26,719 --> 00:48:32,040 Speaker 1: have in a gorilla style snowball site. 820 00:48:34,960 --> 00:48:38,360 Speaker 3: What are the little monkeys that live in the snow 821 00:48:39,400 --> 00:48:47,840 Speaker 3: and like, I want to say, japan Gee, it sounds 822 00:48:47,880 --> 00:48:50,160 Speaker 3: like when my dog was a puppy, and it's making 823 00:48:50,200 --> 00:48:53,920 Speaker 3: me very nostalgic. It's such a cube little sound. I 824 00:48:54,000 --> 00:48:56,200 Speaker 3: don't know what it is, but I already love it. 825 00:48:56,280 --> 00:48:57,760 Speaker 3: Please be somewhere between. 826 00:48:58,760 --> 00:49:01,719 Speaker 1: It's somewhere between a dog in a snow monkey. Well 827 00:49:01,760 --> 00:49:04,800 Speaker 1: that is closer to the truth than you may have realized, 828 00:49:04,840 --> 00:49:10,080 Speaker 1: because this is actually an Arctic fox. Uh kind of 829 00:49:10,120 --> 00:49:14,160 Speaker 1: making this little this little like weird laughing sound as 830 00:49:14,200 --> 00:49:21,120 Speaker 1: a way to communicate congratulations to Danielle be forguessing correctly. 831 00:49:22,280 --> 00:49:26,879 Speaker 1: This is actually one I believe that was rescued. So 832 00:49:26,960 --> 00:49:30,839 Speaker 1: it is it lives with humans, and so when it's 833 00:49:30,960 --> 00:49:36,760 Speaker 1: human caretaker laughs. This little Arctic fox laughs as well, 834 00:49:36,800 --> 00:49:41,360 Speaker 1: but the laughter is more of a case of not 835 00:49:41,680 --> 00:49:43,919 Speaker 1: as much a case of the giggles as it is 836 00:49:44,400 --> 00:49:49,920 Speaker 1: a form of communication. But yeah, arctic fox's coats change. 837 00:49:50,400 --> 00:49:53,240 Speaker 1: So in the winter they have this beautiful white coat 838 00:49:53,600 --> 00:49:57,000 Speaker 1: that helps them blend in with the snow so that 839 00:49:57,080 --> 00:50:01,520 Speaker 1: they can ambush their prey and high from predators. So 840 00:50:02,520 --> 00:50:04,879 Speaker 1: you would never see them coming in a snowball fight. 841 00:50:07,160 --> 00:50:10,120 Speaker 2: What a good little fox. I would recruit them to 842 00:50:10,160 --> 00:50:11,279 Speaker 2: my team immediately. 843 00:50:11,800 --> 00:50:12,440 Speaker 1: So cute. 844 00:50:12,640 --> 00:50:16,239 Speaker 2: Also, they are adorable, adorable us. 845 00:50:16,360 --> 00:50:21,600 Speaker 1: The most fluffy little snow grimlins out there, and I 846 00:50:21,640 --> 00:50:24,600 Speaker 1: love that when they so they have an incredible sense 847 00:50:24,600 --> 00:50:27,440 Speaker 1: of hearings, so they can listen for like little little 848 00:50:27,520 --> 00:50:31,440 Speaker 1: mice and voles and mammals that are deep under the snow. 849 00:50:31,560 --> 00:50:34,400 Speaker 1: So you'll see them kind of on the surface of 850 00:50:34,400 --> 00:50:38,440 Speaker 1: the snow listening, sniffing around, and once they've located some 851 00:50:38,560 --> 00:50:41,600 Speaker 1: little mammal in their burrow, they'll hop up and then 852 00:50:41,719 --> 00:50:45,280 Speaker 1: jump and like basically just face plant directly into the snow, 853 00:50:45,440 --> 00:50:48,600 Speaker 1: like dive right in so that they can start digging 854 00:50:48,920 --> 00:50:53,080 Speaker 1: and digging up their prey. It is so cute. It's 855 00:50:53,120 --> 00:50:57,760 Speaker 1: the cutest form of carnivore predation that I've ever seen. 856 00:51:00,600 --> 00:51:04,120 Speaker 3: I really appreciate that they are that dedicated to getting 857 00:51:04,120 --> 00:51:07,080 Speaker 3: their meal. They said, we could hunt above ground, we 858 00:51:07,120 --> 00:51:09,120 Speaker 3: could stay in our burrows and just attack them as 859 00:51:09,160 --> 00:51:11,279 Speaker 3: the house. They said, no, We're gonna wait to watch 860 00:51:11,320 --> 00:51:14,000 Speaker 3: them go in and then just die like after them. 861 00:51:14,640 --> 00:51:18,600 Speaker 1: I mean, it's it's tough in the winter because either 862 00:51:18,880 --> 00:51:23,319 Speaker 1: a lot some predators will go into hibernation right and 863 00:51:23,600 --> 00:51:26,359 Speaker 1: sort of try to try to go into a state 864 00:51:26,400 --> 00:51:28,680 Speaker 1: where they're not using as much energy so that they 865 00:51:28,680 --> 00:51:32,160 Speaker 1: don't have to face this problem. But these guys have 866 00:51:32,440 --> 00:51:36,520 Speaker 1: developed an ability to hunt even in winter. Uh, and 867 00:51:36,600 --> 00:51:41,879 Speaker 1: so it is quite amazing. Alrighty, So now onto the 868 00:51:41,920 --> 00:51:48,279 Speaker 1: next mystery animal sound. The hint is this, these Canadians 869 00:51:48,360 --> 00:51:49,600 Speaker 1: think you're a hoser. 870 00:51:50,280 --> 00:52:00,080 Speaker 2: Okay, interesting, Well. 871 00:52:06,760 --> 00:52:08,320 Speaker 1: Alrighty, do you have any guesses? 872 00:52:08,920 --> 00:52:13,520 Speaker 2: Oh? Again, two very disparate guesses. 873 00:52:14,440 --> 00:52:16,120 Speaker 3: But first I was like, oh, it kind of sounds 874 00:52:16,200 --> 00:52:19,960 Speaker 3: like a Canadian goose. But then is like, I hear 875 00:52:20,040 --> 00:52:22,760 Speaker 3: like a lot of shuffling on the ground that sounds 876 00:52:22,800 --> 00:52:27,040 Speaker 3: like sticks and stowed. I'm like, is it like a 877 00:52:27,840 --> 00:52:28,920 Speaker 3: deer of some kind? 878 00:52:29,040 --> 00:52:31,960 Speaker 2: I know these are very far apart animals. I don't know. 879 00:52:32,600 --> 00:52:34,759 Speaker 2: I don't know all right? Well is it? 880 00:52:36,960 --> 00:52:40,640 Speaker 1: Is it a deer or somewhere in between. We'll find 881 00:52:40,640 --> 00:52:44,320 Speaker 1: out on next Creature Feature Joel, thank you so much 882 00:52:44,400 --> 00:52:47,080 Speaker 1: for joining me today. Where can people find you? 883 00:52:48,880 --> 00:52:50,759 Speaker 3: Thanks so much for having me back, Katie, This is 884 00:52:50,800 --> 00:52:53,400 Speaker 3: always a blast. I really appreciate you indulging my Lisa 885 00:52:53,440 --> 00:52:56,960 Speaker 3: Frank Love. Y'all can find me all over the internet 886 00:52:57,000 --> 00:53:00,480 Speaker 3: at tue money that's j O E l E mn. 887 00:53:00,120 --> 00:53:05,239 Speaker 1: IQ And thank you guys so much for listening. If 888 00:53:05,280 --> 00:53:09,319 Speaker 1: you think you know who is making the Mystery Animals sound, 889 00:53:09,360 --> 00:53:11,960 Speaker 1: you can write to me at Creature Featurepod at gmail 890 00:53:12,000 --> 00:53:14,440 Speaker 1: dot com. You can also write to me your questions. 891 00:53:14,520 --> 00:53:20,200 Speaker 1: I do answer listener questions uh. And I also appreciate 892 00:53:20,360 --> 00:53:23,600 Speaker 1: photos of your pets. Do not email me about that 893 00:53:24,200 --> 00:53:28,640 Speaker 1: question about whether you can stare at boobs instead of 894 00:53:28,760 --> 00:53:31,560 Speaker 1: drinking water. I don't want to know. I don't want 895 00:53:31,560 --> 00:53:35,200 Speaker 1: to know. Uh. And thank you to the Space Classics 896 00:53:35,239 --> 00:53:38,319 Speaker 1: for their super awesome song XO Lumina. Creature features a 897 00:53:38,320 --> 00:53:40,880 Speaker 1: production of iHeartRadio. For more podcasts like the one you 898 00:53:40,960 --> 00:53:44,399 Speaker 1: just heard, visit iHeartRadio app Apple Podcasts or Hey guess what, 899 00:53:44,840 --> 00:53:47,799 Speaker 1: wherever you listen to your favorite shows. I don't know, 900 00:53:48,080 --> 00:53:50,239 Speaker 1: I don't care, and I don't judge you. See you 901 00:53:50,360 --> 00:53:54,120 Speaker 1: next Wednesday. Alrighty