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Speaker 1: Welcome to the Wired to Hunt podcast, your guide to

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Speaker 1: Go farther, stay Longer, and now your host, Mark Kenyon.

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Speaker 2: Welcome to the Wired to Hunt podcast. This week on

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Speaker 2: the show, we are kicking off another round of our

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Speaker 2: what would you Do series, in which we're running a

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Speaker 2: hunter through a very specific set of hypothetical hunting situations

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Speaker 2: to see how they would handle them, and our guests

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Speaker 2: today from the hunting public. It's mister Aaron Warburden. All right,

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Speaker 2: welcome back to the Wired to Hunt podcast, brought to

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Speaker 2: first Light dot com. But today we're kicking off another

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Speaker 2: one of our series that we have done annually for

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Speaker 2: a number of years now. It's a favorite of mine

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Speaker 2: and many other folks, and this is the what would

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Speaker 2: you Do series, in which we get a hunter on

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Speaker 2: series of very specific hypothetical hunting situations. You know, imagine

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Speaker 2: this this day, you're in this state. Here's the conditions

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Speaker 2: the deer is doing, or here's what you just saw.

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Speaker 2: Now walk me through how you would handle it. What

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Speaker 2: would you do? Why would you do it? This is

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Speaker 2: an interesting way to learn new things about deer hunting strategies,

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Speaker 2: but with a lot of specificity. You know, it's one

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Speaker 2: thing to have someone tell you, wow, this is you

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Speaker 2: know how I like to hunt the rut. It's another

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Speaker 2: to hear specifically how they would handle this various situation

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Speaker 2: during the rut. With these conditions and these variables, all

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Speaker 2: of that I think allows us to get a lot

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Speaker 2: more from an indie and our guest today, Aaron Warburton

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Speaker 2: from the Hunting Public, is a great individual to talk

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Speaker 2: to about this kind of stuff. He's obviously very experienced.

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Speaker 2: If you if you've seen him, which I'd be shocked

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Speaker 2: we're now the Hunting Public. You've seen a guy who

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Speaker 2: as well. The guy is just a great deer hunter

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Speaker 2: and a really good communicator, and in this episode he

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Speaker 2: does a great job explaining how and why he does things.

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Speaker 2: And I think we are able to know. You can

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Speaker 2: watch him on his hunting videos all the time, and

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Speaker 2: an incredible surprising, interesting you know, why are they doing this?

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Speaker 2: job today in explaining the thought process behind these things,

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Speaker 2: how he would deal with different challenging circumstances. So if

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Speaker 2: episode is a great opportunity for you to do so. Now,

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Speaker 2: listening to this when it drops, which would be you know,

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Speaker 2: if you're listening now or soon after that, We've got

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Speaker 2: an event coming up August twenty fourth, twenty twenty four,

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Speaker 2: So hope to see on Saturday. Speaking of the Working

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Speaker 2: there's been almost I think almost seven hundred volunteers that

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Speaker 3: No man, it's no problem at all. I mean you

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Speaker 2: Well, the game plan for this series, as you know,

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Speaker 2: When you are doing this kind of hunting pressure check

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Speaker 3: And also to caveat that, how do you know if

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Speaker 3: What are the conditions when I get up that morning,

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Speaker 3: his armor, if you will, is he's choosing a bed

434
00:23:00,080 --> 00:23:03,320
Speaker 3: in an area that is wide open until he lays down.

435
00:23:04,320 --> 00:23:06,160
Speaker 3: So if you can get eyes on him while he's

436
00:23:06,240 --> 00:23:08,480
Speaker 3: up and moving around out there, you can really get

437
00:23:08,480 --> 00:23:10,960
Speaker 3: a lot of information without spooking.

438
00:23:11,440 --> 00:23:11,679
Speaker 2: You know.

439
00:23:11,760 --> 00:23:13,840
Speaker 3: You can sit back from a long ways away and

440
00:23:13,920 --> 00:23:17,160
Speaker 3: put together all of these pieces and then watch where

441
00:23:17,160 --> 00:23:19,440
Speaker 3: he beds down, wait for the day winds to pick

442
00:23:19,520 --> 00:23:21,080
Speaker 3: up in the middle of the day, and then sort

443
00:23:21,119 --> 00:23:23,560
Speaker 3: of crafts you're playing to get in there really close

444
00:23:23,560 --> 00:23:27,399
Speaker 3: to him. Jake and Hayden did that a couple of

445
00:23:27,480 --> 00:23:31,120
Speaker 3: years ago in October. They did it with a muzzleoder,

446
00:23:31,280 --> 00:23:33,840
Speaker 3: but they were watching from and it wasn't a beanfield,

447
00:23:33,840 --> 00:23:37,919
Speaker 3: but it was similar vegetation height. You know, they watched

448
00:23:37,920 --> 00:23:39,800
Speaker 3: a buck travel all the way across it in the

449
00:23:39,840 --> 00:23:42,080
Speaker 3: morning and lay down out in the middle of it

450
00:23:42,400 --> 00:23:43,440
Speaker 3: day winds picked up.

451
00:23:43,480 --> 00:23:44,439
Speaker 2: They marked the spot.

452
00:23:44,480 --> 00:23:48,159
Speaker 3: They marked many lan you know, many landmarks around the

453
00:23:48,200 --> 00:23:50,600
Speaker 3: buck so that they could have a point of reference.

454
00:23:50,600 --> 00:23:52,520
Speaker 3: That's another thing you have to consider is when you're

455
00:23:52,560 --> 00:23:56,760
Speaker 3: watching that deer, if he's out in a big, monotonous beanfield, Yeah,

456
00:23:56,800 --> 00:23:59,200
Speaker 3: he might be easy to see from tree stand twenty

457
00:23:59,240 --> 00:24:01,120
Speaker 3: feet up from four hundred yards with a good set

458
00:24:01,160 --> 00:24:05,280
Speaker 3: of binoculars, But how you're going to know where exactly

459
00:24:05,359 --> 00:24:07,320
Speaker 3: he's at once you get out there on the ground

460
00:24:07,320 --> 00:24:10,080
Speaker 3: with him. So is he next to this little green

461
00:24:10,119 --> 00:24:13,400
Speaker 3: bush out there? He is he next to this little waterway?

462
00:24:13,600 --> 00:24:16,399
Speaker 3: How far is he from that little waterway? You know,

463
00:24:17,359 --> 00:24:20,080
Speaker 3: I've heard lampers talk about that a little bit. When

464
00:24:20,119 --> 00:24:23,840
Speaker 3: he's spotting and stalking mule deer, Like he's always trying

465
00:24:23,880 --> 00:24:26,480
Speaker 3: to measure how deep the cuts are and how far

466
00:24:26,520 --> 00:24:28,960
Speaker 3: across they are as he's glassing, so that he can

467
00:24:29,000 --> 00:24:32,080
Speaker 3: anticipate where he needs to get to be in range

468
00:24:32,119 --> 00:24:34,399
Speaker 3: of that mule deer buck, And it's kind of the

469
00:24:34,440 --> 00:24:38,399
Speaker 3: same situation. You're trying to anticipate where you can get

470
00:24:38,520 --> 00:24:42,320
Speaker 3: to get a shot at that deer within his bubble.

471
00:24:42,560 --> 00:24:44,640
Speaker 3: The good thing is is that you know right where

472
00:24:44,640 --> 00:24:49,160
Speaker 3: he is, so and you and if it's a giant

473
00:24:49,160 --> 00:24:50,800
Speaker 3: beanfield and he's out in the middle of it, you

474
00:24:50,840 --> 00:24:53,040
Speaker 3: can seemingly get the win right and come in from

475
00:24:53,160 --> 00:24:56,639
Speaker 3: any direction possible. But I would definitely wait till the

476
00:24:56,720 --> 00:25:00,080
Speaker 3: day winds pick up and then create a plan to

477
00:25:00,119 --> 00:25:02,879
Speaker 3: slip in the narrow on him and try to get

478
00:25:02,920 --> 00:25:05,480
Speaker 3: an arrow to him when he stands up later in

479
00:25:05,480 --> 00:25:06,879
Speaker 3: the day, or even when he stands up in the

480
00:25:06,880 --> 00:25:08,080
Speaker 3: middle of the day just to brow.

481
00:25:09,600 --> 00:25:12,000
Speaker 2: Does your answer change it all if I tell you

482
00:25:12,080 --> 00:25:16,280
Speaker 2: that no longer do you have that rainy situation. So

483
00:25:16,400 --> 00:25:20,920
Speaker 2: now it's been just parched dry, it's been drier than dry,

484
00:25:21,000 --> 00:25:24,200
Speaker 2: and it's one of those very still days, so maybe

485
00:25:24,240 --> 00:25:28,080
Speaker 2: like two miles an hour and very very still, you know,

486
00:25:28,359 --> 00:25:30,560
Speaker 2: very very hard stalking conditions. Now, so what are you

487
00:25:30,560 --> 00:25:31,480
Speaker 2: do in that scenario?

488
00:25:33,960 --> 00:25:36,119
Speaker 3: It depends on how much time I got left in

489
00:25:36,119 --> 00:25:38,119
Speaker 3: the hunt. I'll push all my chips in. If I

490
00:25:38,119 --> 00:25:42,520
Speaker 3: don't have much time, and you know, and you feel

491
00:25:42,560 --> 00:25:43,760
Speaker 3: like you're not going to be able to get on

492
00:25:43,800 --> 00:25:48,080
Speaker 3: this deer again, then you got it. Then it's like, well,

493
00:25:48,560 --> 00:25:50,280
Speaker 3: you know, what do I have to lose? I might

494
00:25:50,320 --> 00:25:52,080
Speaker 3: as well go after him. He's not going to be

495
00:25:52,119 --> 00:25:55,160
Speaker 3: on this same pattern in a week anyway, more than likely,

496
00:25:55,359 --> 00:25:57,440
Speaker 3: especially if it's early in the year like that, those

497
00:25:57,480 --> 00:25:59,119
Speaker 3: beans are going to turn by the middle of the

498
00:25:59,160 --> 00:26:01,640
Speaker 3: month and he's going to be on acorn somewhere or

499
00:26:01,760 --> 00:26:06,040
Speaker 3: on natural brows or whatever. They just don't you know,

500
00:26:06,119 --> 00:26:08,560
Speaker 3: So spooking him ain't necessarily going to run him out

501
00:26:08,600 --> 00:26:10,760
Speaker 3: of the county. You're probably gonna be able to come

502
00:26:10,760 --> 00:26:13,280
Speaker 3: back in there and hunt him within the next few weeks.

503
00:26:14,240 --> 00:26:15,640
Speaker 2: So he's in a vulnerable position.

504
00:26:15,720 --> 00:26:18,000
Speaker 3: The problem is is that when it's dry and calm,

505
00:26:19,040 --> 00:26:23,199
Speaker 3: it is so hard to get close because everything is

506
00:26:23,240 --> 00:26:28,159
Speaker 3: magnified every step that you take. Your noise factor is

507
00:26:28,200 --> 00:26:32,120
Speaker 3: a problem, but also your movement because those beans aren't

508
00:26:32,160 --> 00:26:35,040
Speaker 3: blown around, and the grass isn't blown around. Everything's dead, calm,

509
00:26:35,080 --> 00:26:37,280
Speaker 3: and you're the only thing that's moving in that field.

510
00:26:37,600 --> 00:26:39,760
Speaker 3: So all he's got to do is here, you know,

511
00:26:40,240 --> 00:26:44,560
Speaker 3: a little twig or a bush or something break, a

512
00:26:44,640 --> 00:26:47,720
Speaker 3: stem of a bean plant break, and he whips that

513
00:26:47,800 --> 00:26:49,760
Speaker 3: head over there, and he catches a little bit of movement,

514
00:26:49,760 --> 00:26:53,159
Speaker 3: and he knows that something's up, you know, while you're stressful.

515
00:26:53,480 --> 00:26:56,159
Speaker 3: Oh yeah, if it's wet and windy, you can you

516
00:26:56,200 --> 00:26:58,800
Speaker 3: can go about it a lot differently. But in that scenario

517
00:26:58,840 --> 00:27:04,400
Speaker 3: you've got to be infinitely more patient because your movement

518
00:27:04,480 --> 00:27:07,480
Speaker 3: is so critical. You know, you may not be able

519
00:27:07,520 --> 00:27:09,440
Speaker 3: to get as close either. You may have to kind

520
00:27:09,440 --> 00:27:11,360
Speaker 3: of push back from the table a little bit and say,

521
00:27:11,400 --> 00:27:13,800
Speaker 3: all right, this is as close as I can comfortably

522
00:27:13,800 --> 00:27:17,080
Speaker 3: get to this thing. Here's a little waterway or a

523
00:27:17,119 --> 00:27:19,359
Speaker 3: weed patch, and these beans are a hard pin in

524
00:27:19,359 --> 00:27:21,560
Speaker 3: the field where the beans aren't his tall, where if

525
00:27:21,560 --> 00:27:24,200
Speaker 3: he does decide to come this direction, I can get

526
00:27:24,200 --> 00:27:26,560
Speaker 3: a good shot in there. So maybe I should just

527
00:27:26,600 --> 00:27:28,760
Speaker 3: stay back one hundred to two hundred yards, make a

528
00:27:28,800 --> 00:27:33,600
Speaker 3: good setup and see what he does. Those would be

529
00:27:33,640 --> 00:27:34,720
Speaker 3: things going through my mind.

530
00:27:35,160 --> 00:27:39,280
Speaker 2: Yeah, would you ever employ something to try to get

531
00:27:39,359 --> 00:27:41,320
Speaker 2: him to come to you? Like, would you call it all?

532
00:27:41,359 --> 00:27:43,359
Speaker 2: In that scenario because of the fact you have to

533
00:27:43,400 --> 00:27:46,639
Speaker 2: stay back farther even though it's early season or anything

534
00:27:46,680 --> 00:27:47,359
Speaker 2: else like that.

535
00:27:47,720 --> 00:27:52,679
Speaker 3: I'd consider it, but not calling without a decoy in

536
00:27:52,720 --> 00:27:54,800
Speaker 3: the wide open like that. He's going to stand up

537
00:27:54,800 --> 00:27:56,639
Speaker 3: in those beans and he's going to be able to

538
00:27:56,640 --> 00:27:58,960
Speaker 3: look right over there. And if he doesn't, if he

539
00:27:59,000 --> 00:28:02,560
Speaker 3: doesn't see this source the sound, he's he's a not

540
00:28:02,640 --> 00:28:05,199
Speaker 3: going to come in, or B maybe worse, he's going

541
00:28:05,240 --> 00:28:07,040
Speaker 3: to come in, but he's going to come in straight

542
00:28:07,080 --> 00:28:09,680
Speaker 3: at you on alert looking. You know, you don't want

543
00:28:09,720 --> 00:28:12,399
Speaker 3: an alert deer facing you at forty yards stomping his

544
00:28:12,440 --> 00:28:14,120
Speaker 3: foot at you.

545
00:28:14,119 --> 00:28:15,440
Speaker 2: You It's it's.

546
00:28:15,280 --> 00:28:19,280
Speaker 3: Better, in my opinion, at least to catch him by surprise.

547
00:28:20,560 --> 00:28:23,000
Speaker 3: Or if you've got a decoy and he commits to it,

548
00:28:23,720 --> 00:28:26,960
Speaker 3: that's a that's a great situation. And they could do

549
00:28:27,080 --> 00:28:29,560
Speaker 3: that that even early in the season, So I wouldn't.

550
00:28:29,600 --> 00:28:32,320
Speaker 3: I would not rule that out as a potential option.

551
00:28:35,000 --> 00:28:39,360
Speaker 3: Does any of this change if you are doing all

552
00:28:39,440 --> 00:28:43,000
Speaker 3: this along a very busy road and this is all

553
00:28:43,040 --> 00:28:45,240
Speaker 3: within sight of a busy road, and you know there's

554
00:28:45,240 --> 00:28:50,200
Speaker 3: gonna be people walk driving by frequently, other hunters driving by.

555
00:28:50,640 --> 00:28:53,800
Speaker 2: Do you worry at all about doing anything that makes

556
00:28:53,880 --> 00:28:57,640
Speaker 2: you visible and or encourages someone to stop and start

557
00:28:58,040 --> 00:29:01,520
Speaker 2: watching or glassing or anything like that. Or do you

558
00:29:01,560 --> 00:29:02,760
Speaker 2: just have to say, well, it is what it is

559
00:29:02,760 --> 00:29:04,360
Speaker 2: and we're gonna hope it doesn't mess things up.

560
00:29:05,360 --> 00:29:07,760
Speaker 3: Uh. If it's under the perfect conditions where I can

561
00:29:07,760 --> 00:29:09,440
Speaker 3: get in there real tight to the buck and I

562
00:29:09,480 --> 00:29:13,440
Speaker 3: feel good about getting within fifty yards of him, I'm

563
00:29:13,440 --> 00:29:17,960
Speaker 3: gonna go. I don't care about anything else that's going on.

564
00:29:18,000 --> 00:29:21,760
Speaker 3: I mean, that's what that's when my brain kicks into Okay,

565
00:29:21,880 --> 00:29:24,680
Speaker 3: it's killed time. This is the situation. We need to

566
00:29:24,720 --> 00:29:27,840
Speaker 3: get close to this thing and killing so we're going.

567
00:29:28,480 --> 00:29:31,000
Speaker 3: If it's if it's the second scenario that you talked about,

568
00:29:31,080 --> 00:29:33,600
Speaker 3: it's a little bit more difficult and I have more time,

569
00:29:33,760 --> 00:29:35,880
Speaker 3: or I'm coming back in a few weeks or something,

570
00:29:36,760 --> 00:29:41,479
Speaker 3: I might just hang tight and watching. But I mean,

571
00:29:41,480 --> 00:29:43,360
Speaker 3: if he's close to a road, you got road noise too,

572
00:29:43,360 --> 00:29:46,840
Speaker 3: that could aid you. That's also another distraction that he's

573
00:29:46,880 --> 00:29:49,640
Speaker 3: probably watching and paying attention to his car slowing down

574
00:29:49,640 --> 00:29:52,920
Speaker 3: on the road, people driving by. You know, he's not

575
00:29:53,040 --> 00:29:55,400
Speaker 3: able to devote all of his senses just to you

576
00:29:55,960 --> 00:29:59,400
Speaker 3: as you're going in because he's distracted, So that could

577
00:29:59,840 --> 00:30:00,720
Speaker 3: con benefit you.

578
00:30:04,960 --> 00:30:07,640
Speaker 2: That scenario man. I mean it could either be like

579
00:30:07,680 --> 00:30:09,640
Speaker 2: feast or famine. Right, you could see this being like, oh,

580
00:30:09,680 --> 00:30:12,400
Speaker 2: this is amazing, what a great situation to some degree,

581
00:30:12,520 --> 00:30:14,560
Speaker 2: or then if you've got that wrong set of conditions,

582
00:30:14,560 --> 00:30:17,320
Speaker 2: then it's then it's like, jeez, this is kind of

583
00:30:17,320 --> 00:30:19,240
Speaker 2: a nightmare. I almost wish I didn't see him, because

584
00:30:19,280 --> 00:30:21,240
Speaker 2: now it's gonna be so stressful.

585
00:30:21,840 --> 00:30:24,600
Speaker 3: Yeah, it could definitely be stressful if you don't have

586
00:30:24,640 --> 00:30:27,880
Speaker 3: the right conditions, you know, but there's so many things

587
00:30:27,920 --> 00:30:32,320
Speaker 3: that if it's hot and dry and calm, and there's

588
00:30:32,800 --> 00:30:35,240
Speaker 3: a ditch with water one hundred yards from him, or

589
00:30:35,280 --> 00:30:37,360
Speaker 3: a little pond out there with a little brush around

590
00:30:37,440 --> 00:30:39,640
Speaker 3: two hundred yards from him, that may be a perfect

591
00:30:39,680 --> 00:30:41,440
Speaker 3: place to just go and make a good setup for

592
00:30:41,440 --> 00:30:44,640
Speaker 3: the rest of the day. You might kill him right there.

593
00:30:44,840 --> 00:30:47,200
Speaker 3: I mean, you got a bow in your hands. So yes,

594
00:30:47,280 --> 00:30:50,160
Speaker 3: you can be aggressive at times under the right situation,

595
00:30:50,360 --> 00:30:52,800
Speaker 3: but a lot of luck is almost always involved.

596
00:30:52,800 --> 00:30:53,520
Speaker 2: When you have a bow.

597
00:30:54,760 --> 00:30:57,080
Speaker 3: You have to almost wait for them to make some

598
00:30:57,200 --> 00:30:57,960
Speaker 3: kind of mistake.

599
00:31:00,000 --> 00:31:02,600
Speaker 2: All right, let's fest forward through the calendar just a

600
00:31:02,640 --> 00:31:06,280
Speaker 2: little bit. Let's get to like October first, and you

601
00:31:06,320 --> 00:31:09,720
Speaker 2: guys are going to a swampy part of Louisiana, which

602
00:31:09,800 --> 00:31:12,400
Speaker 2: might be almost all Louisiana. But let's say you're hunting

603
00:31:12,440 --> 00:31:16,600
Speaker 2: down south a swampy area of public land, planning to

604
00:31:16,640 --> 00:31:22,040
Speaker 2: start hunting on October first. What does your e scouting

605
00:31:22,120 --> 00:31:24,720
Speaker 2: look like leading into that hunt. I imagine you're gonna

606
00:31:24,720 --> 00:31:26,680
Speaker 2: do some map work. Let's say this is the spot

607
00:31:26,720 --> 00:31:29,000
Speaker 2: you haven't hunted before again, so you're trying to learn

608
00:31:29,040 --> 00:31:31,760
Speaker 2: it ahead of time to plan things out. You talked

609
00:31:31,760 --> 00:31:34,440
Speaker 2: about your driving scouting, but what kind of stuff would

610
00:31:34,440 --> 00:31:37,480
Speaker 2: you be looking for in swampy southern ground when trying

611
00:31:37,480 --> 00:31:39,120
Speaker 2: to plan a hunt before showing.

612
00:31:38,920 --> 00:31:42,080
Speaker 3: Up that early in the season. I have very little

613
00:31:42,120 --> 00:31:45,120
Speaker 3: experience down there, so what I would be looking at

614
00:31:45,120 --> 00:31:48,400
Speaker 3: doing is calling somebody that's got some I'd be trying

615
00:31:48,440 --> 00:31:54,640
Speaker 3: to talk to biologists, other hunters in the area, anybody

616
00:31:54,840 --> 00:31:58,400
Speaker 3: that could glean that I could glean some info out of.

617
00:31:59,000 --> 00:32:01,920
Speaker 3: Not necessarily on well where are the bucks right now?

618
00:32:02,120 --> 00:32:06,280
Speaker 3: I want general info like early October, what are the

619
00:32:06,320 --> 00:32:09,280
Speaker 3: deer generally feeding on in the woods around here? Like

620
00:32:09,560 --> 00:32:13,280
Speaker 3: which oak trees are dropping acorns this early? And you

621
00:32:13,360 --> 00:32:14,840
Speaker 3: might even be able to do a Google search and

622
00:32:14,880 --> 00:32:17,800
Speaker 3: figure some of that stuff out, Like for example, down south,

623
00:32:18,280 --> 00:32:23,160
Speaker 3: a nut all oak tree will drop acorns much later

624
00:32:23,240 --> 00:32:26,480
Speaker 3: in the year, so in like December and January they

625
00:32:26,560 --> 00:32:31,440
Speaker 3: will be flocking to those things, whereas in October they're

626
00:32:31,480 --> 00:32:37,000
Speaker 3: holding all their acorns. So maybe you know, it could

627
00:32:37,000 --> 00:32:40,320
Speaker 3: be any other type of food source, not just acorns,

628
00:32:40,840 --> 00:32:43,080
Speaker 3: but I wouldn't need to get more information on that.

629
00:32:44,360 --> 00:32:46,360
Speaker 3: And if you're looking at a thick swamp that is

630
00:32:46,560 --> 00:32:50,360
Speaker 3: essentially endless betting cover, especially early in the year before

631
00:32:50,400 --> 00:32:53,240
Speaker 3: there's been you know, when the woods are super thick,

632
00:32:53,680 --> 00:32:57,280
Speaker 3: I'm not so much focused on betting. I'm more focused

633
00:32:57,320 --> 00:33:01,240
Speaker 3: on food, just trying to figureigure out what on earth

634
00:33:01,280 --> 00:33:03,400
Speaker 3: the deer or feeding on at that given time. And

635
00:33:03,440 --> 00:33:05,680
Speaker 3: then i'd also be looking from a map on like

636
00:33:05,760 --> 00:33:08,760
Speaker 3: creative ways to access the area, ways in which that

637
00:33:08,920 --> 00:33:13,080
Speaker 3: other people might not access it. I'm not saying that's

638
00:33:13,120 --> 00:33:16,840
Speaker 3: a that's a clear, hard and fast rule by any means,

639
00:33:16,840 --> 00:33:18,520
Speaker 3: because it's early in the year, there hasn't been a

640
00:33:18,560 --> 00:33:21,719
Speaker 3: lot of pressure yet. But if there's a canal running

641
00:33:21,720 --> 00:33:26,920
Speaker 3: through there, or a stream of little marsh by you whatever,

642
00:33:27,040 --> 00:33:30,520
Speaker 3: where I could get in a canoe and I could

643
00:33:30,640 --> 00:33:34,360
Speaker 3: efficiently move up through the middle of that area without

644
00:33:34,360 --> 00:33:37,240
Speaker 3: spooking deer, because in most of those situations of swamps

645
00:33:37,240 --> 00:33:40,320
Speaker 3: are flat, so you need any if you can find

646
00:33:40,400 --> 00:33:44,120
Speaker 3: even just a couple feet of elevation difference, that can

647
00:33:44,440 --> 00:33:47,520
Speaker 3: help you when it comes to moving through the woods undetected.

648
00:33:48,080 --> 00:33:49,040
Speaker 2: Whether that's just like.

649
00:33:49,000 --> 00:33:51,320
Speaker 3: A mini ridge in the middle of a bottom, or

650
00:33:52,040 --> 00:33:54,480
Speaker 3: like I'm talking about, a swamp or a creek or

651
00:33:54,480 --> 00:33:59,400
Speaker 3: something that would I would I really like those situations

652
00:33:59,440 --> 00:34:01,200
Speaker 3: where you can get a boat with a trolling motor

653
00:34:01,200 --> 00:34:05,360
Speaker 3: in there, or a canoe something quiet water access where

654
00:34:05,400 --> 00:34:07,480
Speaker 3: you can go up every three or four hundred yards

655
00:34:07,560 --> 00:34:10,680
Speaker 3: and pop out of that water, raise your head up

656
00:34:10,680 --> 00:34:13,440
Speaker 3: two or three feet and look around at the situation.

657
00:34:14,080 --> 00:34:15,000
Speaker 2: You can spot deer.

658
00:34:15,040 --> 00:34:17,840
Speaker 3: That way, you can observe deer, you can learn stuff

659
00:34:17,880 --> 00:34:21,080
Speaker 3: about the area without putting a bunch of grounds in

660
00:34:21,080 --> 00:34:24,520
Speaker 3: in there or spooking deer. I mean, we've paddled past

661
00:34:24,600 --> 00:34:29,440
Speaker 3: deer in canoes dozens of times within bow range and

662
00:34:29,480 --> 00:34:33,359
Speaker 3: they don't hardly look up. It's a very very low

663
00:34:33,440 --> 00:34:36,200
Speaker 3: impact way of learning an area. So that would be

664
00:34:36,200 --> 00:34:38,520
Speaker 3: one thing I'm looking at, But I will caveat that

665
00:34:39,600 --> 00:34:42,960
Speaker 3: by saying early in the season don't be surprised if

666
00:34:42,960 --> 00:34:45,760
Speaker 3: there's a huge buck three hundred yards from the parking

667
00:34:45,800 --> 00:34:50,160
Speaker 3: lot and he's feeding right there on a daily basis,

668
00:34:50,200 --> 00:34:53,080
Speaker 3: because there has been no pressure up to that point.

669
00:34:54,600 --> 00:34:56,520
Speaker 2: So there's a couple of ways to look at that.

670
00:34:56,719 --> 00:34:59,600
Speaker 3: You know you can you can try to efficiently scout

671
00:34:59,640 --> 00:35:01,640
Speaker 3: those area that are really close that don't have a

672
00:35:01,640 --> 00:35:04,640
Speaker 3: lot of pressure, Or you can look at the water access,

673
00:35:05,239 --> 00:35:08,719
Speaker 3: but also combine that with the food intel that you get.

674
00:35:09,280 --> 00:35:13,400
Speaker 2: MM. So you've looked on your maps and you've found

675
00:35:13,400 --> 00:35:16,720
Speaker 2: some water access, maybe you've talked to someone to figure

676
00:35:16,719 --> 00:35:19,399
Speaker 2: out what the best food sources of that time. What

677
00:35:19,440 --> 00:35:21,520
Speaker 2: does day one or day two of the actual hunt

678
00:35:21,560 --> 00:35:25,760
Speaker 2: look like in this kind of wet, big country where

679
00:35:26,480 --> 00:35:29,879
Speaker 2: let's say you've driven around, you've done that night before whatever,

680
00:35:29,920 --> 00:35:31,680
Speaker 2: you you've kind of figured out where there's people where

681
00:35:31,719 --> 00:35:34,560
Speaker 2: there's not. What does your actual first day of hunting

682
00:35:35,200 --> 00:35:36,839
Speaker 2: look like. Do you think you would do that first

683
00:35:36,840 --> 00:35:39,120
Speaker 2: thing that you described, which would be the float around

684
00:35:39,160 --> 00:35:41,480
Speaker 2: and eyeball everything, or would you do that part of

685
00:35:41,480 --> 00:35:43,919
Speaker 2: the day and then eventually pick the best looking piece

686
00:35:43,920 --> 00:35:45,640
Speaker 2: of high ground and hop up in a tree, or

687
00:35:45,960 --> 00:35:49,200
Speaker 2: how would you navigate that Uh, yeah, more than likely.

688
00:35:49,239 --> 00:35:51,880
Speaker 3: If there was a good place where I could access

689
00:35:52,000 --> 00:35:55,040
Speaker 3: via water and I could really cover some country, I

690
00:35:55,080 --> 00:35:57,839
Speaker 3: would not be too worried about hunting that first day

691
00:35:58,280 --> 00:36:00,720
Speaker 3: unless there was like a phenomenal front that was coming

692
00:36:00,719 --> 00:36:02,480
Speaker 3: through and deer we're going to be definitely on their

693
00:36:02,480 --> 00:36:06,719
Speaker 3: feet and moving. I'm just focused on learning at that point,

694
00:36:07,480 --> 00:36:10,360
Speaker 3: so I'm trying to I'm trying to find as many

695
00:36:10,680 --> 00:36:15,480
Speaker 3: points of interest in spots as possible, get and gather

696
00:36:15,600 --> 00:36:19,480
Speaker 3: as much information as possible. I'm like, where's the fresh

697
00:36:19,520 --> 00:36:19,960
Speaker 3: deer sign?

698
00:36:20,000 --> 00:36:20,239
Speaker 2: Right now?

699
00:36:20,239 --> 00:36:22,960
Speaker 3: I'm not worried necessarily about spooking some deer here and there.

700
00:36:23,000 --> 00:36:25,279
Speaker 3: That's actually a good thing because then I start to

701
00:36:25,960 --> 00:36:29,560
Speaker 3: you can start to put little pieces together every time

702
00:36:29,640 --> 00:36:32,640
Speaker 3: that happens. But the kayak and the canoe in the

703
00:36:32,640 --> 00:36:35,719
Speaker 3: water would be you know, if I had that scenario

704
00:36:36,200 --> 00:36:39,200
Speaker 3: where I could cover a few miles or whatever of

705
00:36:39,280 --> 00:36:45,279
Speaker 3: country with limited low impact and ideally learn half a

706
00:36:45,320 --> 00:36:47,480
Speaker 3: dozen spots or more in a given day, I might

707
00:36:47,520 --> 00:36:49,120
Speaker 3: not even hunt. I might not even get in a

708
00:36:49,160 --> 00:36:52,000
Speaker 3: tree unless there's a situation where I can get in

709
00:36:52,000 --> 00:36:53,880
Speaker 3: a tree and I can observe a great distance, or

710
00:36:53,960 --> 00:36:58,320
Speaker 3: I really find something that's super hot and very convincing,

711
00:36:59,520 --> 00:37:01,120
Speaker 3: you know, But a lot of times that's not what

712
00:37:01,200 --> 00:37:04,359
Speaker 3: you find. It's like, you find and here's a little

713
00:37:04,400 --> 00:37:06,080
Speaker 3: bit of sign. Here's a little bit of sign here.

714
00:37:06,160 --> 00:37:10,640
Speaker 3: Especially down south and so much big monotonous terrain, you

715
00:37:11,520 --> 00:37:14,239
Speaker 3: you'll occasionally find a feed tree that's got a lot

716
00:37:14,239 --> 00:37:16,640
Speaker 3: of sign under it, and those you need to hunt asap.

717
00:37:17,400 --> 00:37:20,239
Speaker 3: But that's not the norm, at least it hasn't been

718
00:37:20,239 --> 00:37:21,920
Speaker 3: in my experience. You have to do a lot of

719
00:37:21,960 --> 00:37:24,600
Speaker 3: scouting in order to find that. So that's what I'm

720
00:37:24,640 --> 00:37:25,239
Speaker 3: focused on.

721
00:37:26,239 --> 00:37:29,319
Speaker 2: So describe for me. You give one example there the

722
00:37:29,360 --> 00:37:32,480
Speaker 2: feed tree, but describe to me an example, what are

723
00:37:32,480 --> 00:37:36,799
Speaker 2: some examples of amount of sign that would be like, oh,

724
00:37:36,840 --> 00:37:40,120
Speaker 2: I need to stop, Like what's the threshold of freshness

725
00:37:40,160 --> 00:37:43,200
Speaker 2: of amount of what that looks like? And then just

726
00:37:43,239 --> 00:37:45,480
Speaker 2: for people that maybe aren't familiar, can you also expand

727
00:37:45,520 --> 00:37:48,719
Speaker 2: on a feed tree how to identify that situation too?

728
00:37:49,719 --> 00:37:53,520
Speaker 3: Yeah, that's a good question. Google Warren Womack. You'll learn

729
00:37:53,640 --> 00:37:56,200
Speaker 3: everything that you need to know about feed trees. He's

730
00:37:56,280 --> 00:38:00,520
Speaker 3: the he's the freaking g he knows what's up, especially

731
00:38:00,560 --> 00:38:04,000
Speaker 3: with hunting deer down south. But when you find signed

732
00:38:04,040 --> 00:38:08,919
Speaker 3: underneath them. Say, I'll try to equate this to some

733
00:38:08,960 --> 00:38:11,399
Speaker 3: examples even up in the Midwest, because it's similar. I mean,

734
00:38:11,400 --> 00:38:14,320
Speaker 3: it's just different food sources in different parts of the country.

735
00:38:14,960 --> 00:38:18,520
Speaker 3: So you're creeping through an oak flat and there's white

736
00:38:18,560 --> 00:38:21,680
Speaker 3: oka corns all over the ground. Tree to tree to tree,

737
00:38:21,719 --> 00:38:24,319
Speaker 3: there's white okay corns everywhere. Well, you find a fresh

738
00:38:24,400 --> 00:38:26,840
Speaker 3: pile of deer poop here, there's a fresh rub here,

739
00:38:27,560 --> 00:38:30,160
Speaker 3: fifty yards later, another fresh rub one hundred yards later,

740
00:38:30,160 --> 00:38:33,279
Speaker 3: another fresh rub, and some deer scat fresh like you

741
00:38:33,400 --> 00:38:35,120
Speaker 3: step on it with your boot. You can see that

742
00:38:35,200 --> 00:38:37,920
Speaker 3: there's flies on it. It's moist that the deer just

743
00:38:37,960 --> 00:38:39,279
Speaker 3: pooped in the last day or two.

744
00:38:39,480 --> 00:38:40,000
Speaker 2: Right there.

745
00:38:40,600 --> 00:38:44,279
Speaker 3: Then you come upon a big tree that you can

746
00:38:44,320 --> 00:38:46,839
Speaker 3: hear the acorns falling out of it, and you can

747
00:38:47,120 --> 00:38:50,360
Speaker 3: visibly see there's a higher percentage of them on the ground.

748
00:38:51,080 --> 00:38:54,279
Speaker 3: They're fairly fresh. And now you're looking down there and

749
00:38:54,360 --> 00:38:57,880
Speaker 3: within a ten twenty foot square you see ten piles

750
00:38:57,880 --> 00:39:02,560
Speaker 3: of deer poop and two or three fresh rubs, and

751
00:39:02,600 --> 00:39:05,080
Speaker 3: you're like, you're paying attention to these other trees, and

752
00:39:05,160 --> 00:39:07,239
Speaker 3: like there's no other tree in the woods. That's raining

753
00:39:07,320 --> 00:39:11,480
Speaker 3: acorns like this one. This one's got more you know,

754
00:39:12,160 --> 00:39:15,920
Speaker 3: per square foot down there underneath the cap or the

755
00:39:15,920 --> 00:39:17,680
Speaker 3: canopy of the tree than any of the other ones

756
00:39:17,680 --> 00:39:19,719
Speaker 3: that you found up to this point. That's not to

757
00:39:19,719 --> 00:39:21,239
Speaker 3: say a buck ain't gonna walk to one of the

758
00:39:21,280 --> 00:39:25,279
Speaker 3: other ones, but that's like, that's what I would classify

759
00:39:25,320 --> 00:39:27,920
Speaker 3: as a feed tree. Lots and lots of tracks going

760
00:39:27,960 --> 00:39:31,360
Speaker 3: around in opposite directions, you know, in circles, almost just

761
00:39:31,400 --> 00:39:33,920
Speaker 3: in a feeding pattern. Lots of deer poop in a

762
00:39:33,960 --> 00:39:39,040
Speaker 3: concentrated spot, and then obviously the acorns raining down. Now

763
00:39:39,600 --> 00:39:41,799
Speaker 3: you can here's the thing that you got to watch

764
00:39:41,840 --> 00:39:45,719
Speaker 3: out for with feed trees is weak old sign can

765
00:39:45,719 --> 00:39:48,080
Speaker 3: trick you. So you roll up on a big tree

766
00:39:48,080 --> 00:39:50,520
Speaker 3: and there's a bunch of caps on the ground. There's

767
00:39:50,600 --> 00:39:53,320
Speaker 3: not a ton of acorns, but you can visibly see tracks.

768
00:39:53,480 --> 00:39:56,799
Speaker 3: You can see deer poop everywhere, but some of it

769
00:39:56,880 --> 00:40:00,719
Speaker 3: is dry and it's four or five days old, and

770
00:40:00,760 --> 00:40:02,840
Speaker 3: there's only one pile of deer poop that looks like

771
00:40:02,880 --> 00:40:05,920
Speaker 3: it's a day old. And some of these tracks are

772
00:40:05,960 --> 00:40:08,239
Speaker 3: a little worn in since the last rain. They're not

773
00:40:08,320 --> 00:40:11,680
Speaker 3: real sharp in the dirt, and you don't hear any

774
00:40:11,680 --> 00:40:14,359
Speaker 3: acorn fresh acorns falling on the ground, And like I said,

775
00:40:14,360 --> 00:40:16,319
Speaker 3: there's a lot of caps, so there's not a lot

776
00:40:16,360 --> 00:40:19,000
Speaker 3: of actual acorns left. But it's obvious that the deer

777
00:40:19,480 --> 00:40:23,640
Speaker 3: we're here in a high concentration. Those will trick you

778
00:40:23,800 --> 00:40:25,920
Speaker 3: because you'll sit there and you'll see one fall in

779
00:40:26,000 --> 00:40:28,000
Speaker 3: or a spike or nothing, and you'll be like, what

780
00:40:28,040 --> 00:40:29,719
Speaker 3: the heck? This is a feed tree? Is like, no,

781
00:40:29,840 --> 00:40:33,440
Speaker 3: this was a feed tree a week ago. And that's why,

782
00:40:34,360 --> 00:40:37,040
Speaker 3: you know, just looking at the overall amount of sign

783
00:40:37,120 --> 00:40:39,759
Speaker 3: doesn't get you there that that's why you ask a

784
00:40:39,760 --> 00:40:43,279
Speaker 3: good question there is because the details in which the

785
00:40:43,360 --> 00:40:46,719
Speaker 3: sign is left in is what is most important. Like

786
00:40:46,840 --> 00:40:49,200
Speaker 3: I would rather find the beginning of a feed tree

787
00:40:49,239 --> 00:40:52,359
Speaker 3: than the very end in that sense, even though there's

788
00:40:52,440 --> 00:40:54,920
Speaker 3: way more sign to look at it that you know

789
00:40:55,080 --> 00:40:58,960
Speaker 3: a week later because they've been using it, but they're not.

790
00:40:59,120 --> 00:41:02,600
Speaker 3: They're not using it like they were before. You want

791
00:41:02,600 --> 00:41:04,640
Speaker 3: to be there when the sign is getting laid down,

792
00:41:05,040 --> 00:41:06,840
Speaker 3: so that fresh sign is paramount.

793
00:41:08,400 --> 00:41:11,760
Speaker 2: So that brings me to another scenario. And I'm betting

794
00:41:11,800 --> 00:41:13,960
Speaker 2: that some of the stuff you just talked about applies

795
00:41:14,000 --> 00:41:16,719
Speaker 2: to this next one. But let's just throw it out

796
00:41:16,719 --> 00:41:19,680
Speaker 2: there and see what else you'd ad. Let's take you

797
00:41:19,719 --> 00:41:21,960
Speaker 2: out of Louisiana. I'm gonna bring you up north and

798
00:41:22,000 --> 00:41:25,920
Speaker 2: we're gonna go kind of northeast ish in Appalachian State,

799
00:41:26,160 --> 00:41:29,200
Speaker 2: so a state with some of that national forest, big woods,

800
00:41:29,280 --> 00:41:33,200
Speaker 2: big hills. You know, this could be like Pennsylvania, Tennessee,

801
00:41:33,600 --> 00:41:37,960
Speaker 2: something like that, and you're hunting national forest, but you

802
00:41:38,080 --> 00:41:40,040
Speaker 2: just have a weekend. So you've got a weekend to

803
00:41:40,120 --> 00:41:44,480
Speaker 2: hunt national forest in one of those areas. Walk me through,

804
00:41:45,040 --> 00:41:47,920
Speaker 2: and again, let's let's assume you've done your scouting with

805
00:41:48,080 --> 00:41:50,439
Speaker 2: your maps and you've driven, You've you've kind of figured

806
00:41:50,480 --> 00:41:53,800
Speaker 2: out where there's people. Now you're actually stepping foot into

807
00:41:53,840 --> 00:41:56,480
Speaker 2: the woods for the first time. But the problem is

808
00:41:56,480 --> 00:41:58,960
Speaker 2: you don't have a whole lot of time here, so

809
00:41:59,040 --> 00:42:02,640
Speaker 2: you can't Well maybe you can, but how do you

810
00:42:02,920 --> 00:42:05,399
Speaker 2: how do you spend two to two and a half

811
00:42:05,520 --> 00:42:09,040
Speaker 2: days if that's all you have in this location? Walk

812
00:42:09,120 --> 00:42:12,840
Speaker 2: me through on the ground scouting slash hunting. How you

813
00:42:12,880 --> 00:42:15,720
Speaker 2: give you the up, what specifically you'd be looking for,

814
00:42:16,600 --> 00:42:19,360
Speaker 2: and how you would approach those next two days? What

815
00:42:19,480 --> 00:42:22,480
Speaker 2: time a year? Uh, good question. This is gonna be

816
00:42:22,480 --> 00:42:26,040
Speaker 2: the late October. Ah, it's grape time. Mm hmm.

817
00:42:27,400 --> 00:42:32,680
Speaker 3: Okay, that would that that has a big impact on it,

818
00:42:32,719 --> 00:42:35,880
Speaker 3: because that's going to change the strategy for me, whether

819
00:42:35,920 --> 00:42:38,560
Speaker 3: it's an early season scenario like you talked about a

820
00:42:38,680 --> 00:42:43,760
Speaker 3: mid season mid to late October scenario versus a rut scenario.

821
00:42:43,560 --> 00:42:45,120
Speaker 2: And let me let me let me preface this or

822
00:42:45,200 --> 00:42:47,160
Speaker 2: let me add to this. I'd be curious to hear

823
00:42:47,239 --> 00:42:50,040
Speaker 2: your perspective for late October, and then I would also

824
00:42:50,360 --> 00:42:53,200
Speaker 2: like to hear let's let's move it like ten days

825
00:42:53,280 --> 00:42:55,520
Speaker 2: later and now it's like November tenth or something like

826
00:42:55,560 --> 00:42:58,359
Speaker 2: you know, ruddy stuff. Are you bow hunting or your

827
00:42:58,360 --> 00:43:01,279
Speaker 2: gun hunting or you bow hunting on both bow hunting only,

828
00:43:01,960 --> 00:43:04,200
Speaker 2: bow hunting only. Okay, So.

829
00:43:06,719 --> 00:43:09,680
Speaker 3: Every I was thinking about this before we jumped on here.

830
00:43:11,360 --> 00:43:13,840
Speaker 3: Every buck, I'm trying to think back to all the

831
00:43:13,840 --> 00:43:16,800
Speaker 3: bucks that I've killed, and then the other bucks that

832
00:43:16,800 --> 00:43:22,719
Speaker 3: that the guys have harvested or close calls, whatever, and

833
00:43:22,840 --> 00:43:25,600
Speaker 3: like as you go down the list, every single one

834
00:43:25,640 --> 00:43:30,319
Speaker 3: of them is a different, unique situation. But the one,

835
00:43:30,880 --> 00:43:35,120
Speaker 3: the one thing that has yielded the most success. Now

836
00:43:35,160 --> 00:43:38,040
Speaker 3: it's still in the the grand scheme of things is

837
00:43:38,040 --> 00:43:40,560
Speaker 3: a small percentage of the total deer killed, but it

838
00:43:40,640 --> 00:43:45,520
Speaker 3: is yielded the most success of scrapes and hunting scrapes

839
00:43:45,520 --> 00:43:49,120
Speaker 3: with a bow close to betting areas. Okay, So that

840
00:43:49,160 --> 00:43:52,800
Speaker 3: would be my first thing that i'd be looking for. Now,

841
00:43:52,960 --> 00:43:55,799
Speaker 3: if you're in big hills in big national force like that,

842
00:43:56,200 --> 00:44:01,520
Speaker 3: where there's not a lot of transitional cover, it's very big, monotonous,

843
00:44:01,520 --> 00:44:07,799
Speaker 3: closed canopy forest, I'm gonna look at topography. So if

844
00:44:07,840 --> 00:44:10,399
Speaker 3: there's a road at the bottom of a giant hill,

845
00:44:10,680 --> 00:44:13,239
Speaker 3: for example, and it's really steep to get up there,

846
00:44:13,280 --> 00:44:15,520
Speaker 3: and kind of bluffs out and benches out up towards

847
00:44:15,560 --> 00:44:18,359
Speaker 3: the top where it's very difficult to access, I'm gonna

848
00:44:18,360 --> 00:44:20,560
Speaker 3: think about those benches and how i can get above

849
00:44:20,600 --> 00:44:23,200
Speaker 3: them and look for scrapes on that ridge or look

850
00:44:23,239 --> 00:44:27,880
Speaker 3: for scrapes along that bench. Also, if the conditions permit

851
00:44:27,960 --> 00:44:32,399
Speaker 3: it to where I'm gonna have fairly calm winds where

852
00:44:32,400 --> 00:44:34,279
Speaker 3: I'm not gonna get a lot of swirling going on,

853
00:44:34,600 --> 00:44:39,399
Speaker 3: I'd be checking thermal hubs. So any place where four

854
00:44:39,480 --> 00:44:42,640
Speaker 3: or five ridges, you know, or three ridges whatever, converge

855
00:44:42,640 --> 00:44:46,200
Speaker 3: and then drop into a bottom, I'd be trying to

856
00:44:46,320 --> 00:44:49,280
Speaker 3: access up that little creek or drainage at the bottom

857
00:44:49,480 --> 00:44:53,279
Speaker 3: looking for thermal hub scrapes best I could. If it's

858
00:44:53,320 --> 00:44:55,480
Speaker 3: mid to late October and there's still is leaves on

859
00:44:55,520 --> 00:44:58,759
Speaker 3: the trees, so there's a fair bit of shielding cover

860
00:44:58,840 --> 00:45:00,719
Speaker 3: for me to slip up that bott them without being

861
00:45:00,760 --> 00:45:03,319
Speaker 3: detected from deer that are betted on the benches and

862
00:45:03,400 --> 00:45:05,880
Speaker 3: on the ridges around that hub. That may be a

863
00:45:05,960 --> 00:45:08,719
Speaker 3: good a good place to check out. You just have

864
00:45:08,760 --> 00:45:13,040
Speaker 3: to be real careful scouting those areas, especially in the

865
00:45:13,040 --> 00:45:15,239
Speaker 3: middle of the day, or in this situation, only got

866
00:45:15,280 --> 00:45:18,440
Speaker 3: two days, so I've got to be fairly aggressive. You

867
00:45:18,520 --> 00:45:20,160
Speaker 3: gotta be careful going in there in the middle of

868
00:45:20,200 --> 00:45:23,040
Speaker 3: the day when you got day winds, because your scent

869
00:45:23,120 --> 00:45:26,279
Speaker 3: will just whip around in there and roll right up

870
00:45:26,280 --> 00:45:29,440
Speaker 3: those hills sometimes. I mean not in every scenario, but

871
00:45:29,920 --> 00:45:31,880
Speaker 3: you got to be thinking about that when you're going in.

872
00:45:31,920 --> 00:45:34,160
Speaker 3: But if I found some thermal hub scrapes, that would

873
00:45:34,160 --> 00:45:37,480
Speaker 3: be spots that I would be trying to sit, or

874
00:45:37,560 --> 00:45:40,600
Speaker 3: if there was some logging that was going on, I

875
00:45:40,640 --> 00:45:44,400
Speaker 3: would be looking for scrapes in the edges of those

876
00:45:46,080 --> 00:45:50,040
Speaker 3: You know, if I found some feeding areas where deer

877
00:45:50,120 --> 00:45:53,120
Speaker 3: are traveling to some acorns, I would be trying to

878
00:45:53,120 --> 00:45:57,400
Speaker 3: set up on scrapes near those I shouldn't say near

879
00:45:57,440 --> 00:45:59,640
Speaker 3: the feeding areas. Depends on how close the betting is.

880
00:46:00,120 --> 00:46:03,160
Speaker 3: Be trying to find scrapes in between the two feeding

881
00:46:03,200 --> 00:46:05,880
Speaker 3: area to betting, so a clear cut or something like

882
00:46:05,920 --> 00:46:09,600
Speaker 3: that where there is some you know, chest high cover

883
00:46:09,719 --> 00:46:13,440
Speaker 3: growing up where deer could potentially bed. I love hunting

884
00:46:13,440 --> 00:46:15,960
Speaker 3: scrapes that time of the year. A lot of times

885
00:46:15,960 --> 00:46:20,000
Speaker 3: they don't work out, but when they do, it puts

886
00:46:20,040 --> 00:46:23,360
Speaker 3: those bucks on a spot. So you know, I said

887
00:46:23,480 --> 00:46:26,360
Speaker 3: a minute ago that it's it's still a small percentage

888
00:46:26,440 --> 00:46:29,640
Speaker 3: of the overall deer killed by that strategy, but that

889
00:46:30,480 --> 00:46:32,799
Speaker 3: I could think of five or six different ones that

890
00:46:32,840 --> 00:46:36,719
Speaker 3: we've killed over scrapes. And the next thing, as far

891
00:46:36,760 --> 00:46:39,439
Speaker 3: as general tactics went was decoys, and there was like

892
00:46:39,719 --> 00:46:43,360
Speaker 3: three or four on decoys, and then everything else behind

893
00:46:43,400 --> 00:46:46,239
Speaker 3: that was, you know, one we did it this way, one,

894
00:46:46,280 --> 00:46:48,200
Speaker 3: we did it this way, one we did it this way,

895
00:46:48,239 --> 00:46:51,839
Speaker 3: and so far on down the list. But scrapes are

896
00:46:51,840 --> 00:46:53,800
Speaker 3: great for bowhunting because it puts a buck on a

897
00:46:53,840 --> 00:46:57,080
Speaker 3: spot and if you get close to security cover or

898
00:46:57,120 --> 00:47:01,080
Speaker 3: close to an area where there are no people, where

899
00:47:01,080 --> 00:47:04,319
Speaker 3: those bucks feel comfortable moving. Sometimes that's all you got

900
00:47:04,320 --> 00:47:06,600
Speaker 3: to worry about, is just him coming into the scrape,

901
00:47:06,640 --> 00:47:08,600
Speaker 3: get the wind right, set up over it, wait for

902
00:47:08,680 --> 00:47:10,680
Speaker 3: him to get there, draw your bow back and shooting.

903
00:47:11,000 --> 00:47:14,960
Speaker 3: And sometimes that's as simple as it gets.

904
00:47:16,080 --> 00:47:19,080
Speaker 2: Then what if we go up into November now, so

905
00:47:19,400 --> 00:47:23,719
Speaker 2: November tenth ish, does that change things at all? Yeah?

906
00:47:23,960 --> 00:47:29,200
Speaker 3: I if I only had two days, man, I would

907
00:47:29,200 --> 00:47:32,799
Speaker 3: be tempted to sit in a saddle for forty eight

908
00:47:32,840 --> 00:47:36,760
Speaker 3: hours and just try to kill a buck that is cruising.

909
00:47:37,120 --> 00:47:40,520
Speaker 3: But I know what I would probably end up doing,

910
00:47:40,600 --> 00:47:44,040
Speaker 3: and it's not that now I'm saying that that could

911
00:47:44,080 --> 00:47:46,880
Speaker 3: definitely work. If you've got the patience to do it,

912
00:47:47,320 --> 00:47:49,200
Speaker 3: and you've got the right wind to sit there in

913
00:47:49,239 --> 00:47:52,239
Speaker 3: a good setup, that may very well be worth doing

914
00:47:52,920 --> 00:47:56,120
Speaker 3: to get a good shot at one. What I would

915
00:47:56,120 --> 00:47:58,920
Speaker 3: probably do is I would be popping ridges into the

916
00:47:58,960 --> 00:48:02,480
Speaker 3: wind and I'd be looking for action. When you said

917
00:48:02,520 --> 00:48:05,640
Speaker 3: popping ridges, what do you mean. I'd get in a

918
00:48:05,680 --> 00:48:10,439
Speaker 3: situation where I can go. I would map this out

919
00:48:10,760 --> 00:48:12,879
Speaker 3: my route up through there, depending on where the wind

920
00:48:12,920 --> 00:48:15,280
Speaker 3: direction is, because I want to be going into the wind,

921
00:48:16,760 --> 00:48:20,239
Speaker 3: and I would be I would creep a ridge. So

922
00:48:20,440 --> 00:48:22,680
Speaker 3: what I mean by that is, as you get close

923
00:48:22,719 --> 00:48:24,880
Speaker 3: to the cap of the ridge, you start to really

924
00:48:24,920 --> 00:48:27,960
Speaker 3: slow down and still hunt. So you stand behind a

925
00:48:27,960 --> 00:48:29,560
Speaker 3: big tree and you watch out ahead of you for

926
00:48:29,600 --> 00:48:32,120
Speaker 3: several minutes until you can get to a point where

927
00:48:32,120 --> 00:48:34,400
Speaker 3: you crush right over top of the ridge where you

928
00:48:34,440 --> 00:48:37,759
Speaker 3: can visibly see the next one, because they roll over

929
00:48:37,840 --> 00:48:40,359
Speaker 3: one after another, you know, in a lot of those situations.

930
00:48:40,960 --> 00:48:42,520
Speaker 3: So you want to get to the point at the

931
00:48:42,520 --> 00:48:44,279
Speaker 3: peak of that ridge where you can see down in

932
00:48:44,320 --> 00:48:46,960
Speaker 3: the valley below the next one, and then up the

933
00:48:47,000 --> 00:48:49,440
Speaker 3: side of the next one if you can. If you

934
00:48:49,480 --> 00:48:53,040
Speaker 3: can get to that point without spooking the deer below you,

935
00:48:53,040 --> 00:48:55,040
Speaker 3: you can cover a lot of ground with your eyeballs

936
00:48:55,440 --> 00:48:58,200
Speaker 3: doing that. What I'm looking for in the rut is

937
00:48:59,160 --> 00:49:01,719
Speaker 3: the action. So where's the hot dough? Where are the

938
00:49:01,760 --> 00:49:04,480
Speaker 3: cruising bucks? If I pop over a ridge, is there

939
00:49:04,480 --> 00:49:06,839
Speaker 3: two bucks over there that are postured up to each other?

940
00:49:07,480 --> 00:49:08,600
Speaker 2: And what does that mean?

941
00:49:08,719 --> 00:49:10,920
Speaker 3: Well, there could be a hot dough in the thermal

942
00:49:10,960 --> 00:49:13,480
Speaker 3: hug right below them, or in the bottom or on

943
00:49:13,520 --> 00:49:16,640
Speaker 3: the bench bedded right next to them, and we might

944
00:49:16,719 --> 00:49:19,279
Speaker 3: be in for a party right here, like there there

945
00:49:19,360 --> 00:49:21,319
Speaker 3: might be four or five bucks right here in this

946
00:49:21,360 --> 00:49:23,640
Speaker 3: one spot. And now I've found the hole, and I

947
00:49:23,719 --> 00:49:25,480
Speaker 3: just got to stay with the action until I get

948
00:49:25,480 --> 00:49:28,640
Speaker 3: a chance or try calling or whatever.

949
00:49:30,280 --> 00:49:33,239
Speaker 2: What happens if you do that? Sorry interrupt, No, say

950
00:49:33,320 --> 00:49:35,319
Speaker 2: go ahead? What happens if you if you pop over

951
00:49:35,360 --> 00:49:38,640
Speaker 2: one of these ridges and you end up bumping some

952
00:49:38,800 --> 00:49:41,239
Speaker 2: deer that you didn't see and you scatter, you know,

953
00:49:41,280 --> 00:49:43,000
Speaker 2: you can see a few dos run off, and then

954
00:49:43,040 --> 00:49:45,400
Speaker 2: you do see some antlers as they top over the

955
00:49:45,440 --> 00:49:45,879
Speaker 2: other hill.

956
00:49:47,040 --> 00:49:50,040
Speaker 3: We then I'm just watching the direction they're going, and

957
00:49:50,080 --> 00:49:52,640
Speaker 3: then I'm getting on my maps and thinking about, like,

958
00:49:52,680 --> 00:49:55,719
Speaker 3: where's the next secure place that they're going to go to?

959
00:49:56,239 --> 00:49:58,520
Speaker 3: If I've got the wind in my favor, which is

960
00:49:58,640 --> 00:50:01,920
Speaker 3: that's why that's kind of a fundamental thing starting point.

961
00:50:02,080 --> 00:50:03,759
Speaker 3: If I got the wind in my face and I

962
00:50:03,840 --> 00:50:06,640
Speaker 3: spook them as I'm still hunting, the likelihood of them

963
00:50:06,680 --> 00:50:09,160
Speaker 3: going more than four or five hundred yards is pretty low,

964
00:50:09,480 --> 00:50:11,839
Speaker 3: especially if they're if you're dealing with a hot dough

965
00:50:11,880 --> 00:50:14,520
Speaker 3: in multiple bucks, Like they're gonna run off a few

966
00:50:14,600 --> 00:50:16,279
Speaker 3: hundred yards, They're gonna put a ridge or two in

967
00:50:16,320 --> 00:50:20,600
Speaker 3: between you them and the danger of me, and then

968
00:50:20,600 --> 00:50:22,480
Speaker 3: they're gonna calm down and they're gonna go back right

969
00:50:22,520 --> 00:50:26,920
Speaker 3: back to what they're doing, which is running behavior. So

970
00:50:27,320 --> 00:50:29,759
Speaker 3: that's what I'm trying to anticipate, is the direction they go,

971
00:50:29,920 --> 00:50:32,640
Speaker 3: and where's the next likely spot. It could be three

972
00:50:32,719 --> 00:50:34,800
Speaker 3: four hundred yards away, it could be six seven hundred

973
00:50:34,840 --> 00:50:37,840
Speaker 3: yards away. But as long as I have put the

974
00:50:37,880 --> 00:50:40,319
Speaker 3: wind in my favor up to that point, and I

975
00:50:40,440 --> 00:50:43,080
Speaker 3: wasn't just gomming through there and blowing the heck out

976
00:50:43,120 --> 00:50:47,000
Speaker 3: of them, you know, spooking them hardcore, then they're usually

977
00:50:47,000 --> 00:50:48,520
Speaker 3: not going to go too far. If I'm in a

978
00:50:48,520 --> 00:50:51,640
Speaker 3: big public area, like you're talking about a huge national forest,

979
00:50:52,760 --> 00:50:54,360
Speaker 3: most of the time, I'm going to have room.

980
00:50:54,200 --> 00:51:06,719
Speaker 2: To work with. If you're what if we're let's go

981
00:51:06,800 --> 00:51:11,279
Speaker 2: back to October and let's let's let's shift years back

982
00:51:11,320 --> 00:51:15,359
Speaker 2: to late October, and we're in the Midwest, so kind

983
00:51:15,360 --> 00:51:18,680
Speaker 2: of your classic whitetail country stuff you're pretty excited about.

984
00:51:19,160 --> 00:51:21,520
Speaker 2: And let's say you are set up in a saddle

985
00:51:22,320 --> 00:51:24,920
Speaker 2: in like a buck nest type place, like you're you're

986
00:51:25,000 --> 00:51:29,080
Speaker 2: hunting some great buck betting nearby. You're confident, and you're

987
00:51:29,120 --> 00:51:32,760
Speaker 2: set up, you're setting there, It's it's early afternoons still,

988
00:51:32,760 --> 00:51:35,479
Speaker 2: but you have high hopes. And then another hunter comes

989
00:51:35,520 --> 00:51:39,480
Speaker 2: walking in and he walks past you, heading towards that

990
00:51:39,520 --> 00:51:43,200
Speaker 2: betting that you were set up on. Do you stick

991
00:51:43,239 --> 00:51:45,160
Speaker 2: it out or do you bail and do something else?

992
00:51:45,400 --> 00:51:47,000
Speaker 2: What do you? What do you do? Mid October or

993
00:51:47,080 --> 00:51:49,600
Speaker 2: late October? I'm thinking more late October?

994
00:51:50,719 --> 00:51:52,600
Speaker 3: And I can see the betting area from where I'm

995
00:51:52,600 --> 00:51:57,640
Speaker 3: set up, I would assume, So, yeah, okay, I'm gonna

996
00:51:57,680 --> 00:51:59,560
Speaker 3: watch him go all the way through that thing and

997
00:51:59,560 --> 00:52:06,279
Speaker 3: see what happens until I because I'm gathering information the

998
00:52:06,320 --> 00:52:08,160
Speaker 3: whole time. I can see him, and I can see

999
00:52:08,200 --> 00:52:11,600
Speaker 3: the betting area. I'm gathering information. So where is that

1000
00:52:11,680 --> 00:52:14,600
Speaker 3: hunter going? Are they walking through there? Are they walking

1001
00:52:14,640 --> 00:52:18,400
Speaker 3: in there to set up? Are there any deer getting

1002
00:52:18,480 --> 00:52:22,920
Speaker 3: up as they're going through the betting? And what are

1003
00:52:22,920 --> 00:52:24,239
Speaker 3: my options? So?

1004
00:52:25,400 --> 00:52:26,399
Speaker 2: Do I have? Is this?

1005
00:52:26,600 --> 00:52:28,919
Speaker 3: It is this the X And I don't have any

1006
00:52:28,960 --> 00:52:33,759
Speaker 3: other good options for that afternoon hunt. If I do,

1007
00:52:33,920 --> 00:52:35,879
Speaker 3: and I have two or three other ones that are

1008
00:52:35,960 --> 00:52:38,279
Speaker 3: four or five hundred yards from that spot, I may

1009
00:52:38,400 --> 00:52:40,319
Speaker 3: just bail out of there completely as soon as he

1010
00:52:40,400 --> 00:52:44,240
Speaker 3: starts walking through that betting area. I might just, you know, say, okay,

1011
00:52:44,520 --> 00:52:47,000
Speaker 3: I got four hours of dark, I'm climbing down. I'm

1012
00:52:47,000 --> 00:52:49,520
Speaker 3: moving five hundred yards deeper in the opposite direction, because

1013
00:52:49,560 --> 00:52:51,640
Speaker 3: I know there's another betting area back there, and I

1014
00:52:51,680 --> 00:52:53,279
Speaker 3: can be set up back there in an hour and

1015
00:52:53,280 --> 00:52:55,680
Speaker 3: fifteen minutes, So I may bail and do that. If

1016
00:52:55,719 --> 00:52:57,480
Speaker 3: I do not have the option, I'm gonna watch what

1017
00:52:57,520 --> 00:53:01,719
Speaker 3: he does and see what happens. There's a chance he

1018
00:53:01,800 --> 00:53:03,480
Speaker 3: might bump a buck out of there, and I get

1019
00:53:03,520 --> 00:53:06,960
Speaker 3: to watch the direction in which that deer goes. There's

1020
00:53:07,000 --> 00:53:09,520
Speaker 3: a chance that that hunter walks clear through the middle

1021
00:53:09,560 --> 00:53:11,440
Speaker 3: of it and doesn't spook a single thing out of

1022
00:53:11,480 --> 00:53:17,200
Speaker 3: it and nothing gets up. In that case, I'm probably

1023
00:53:17,200 --> 00:53:19,239
Speaker 3: not going to continue sitting there because he just left

1024
00:53:19,239 --> 00:53:21,480
Speaker 3: his ground sent all the way past me. But I

1025
00:53:21,600 --> 00:53:25,239
Speaker 3: might still hunt that betting area because a buck could

1026
00:53:25,239 --> 00:53:27,719
Speaker 3: have easily been laying fifty sixty yards from where he

1027
00:53:27,800 --> 00:53:31,600
Speaker 3: walked through and not gotten up. But now I'm going

1028
00:53:31,680 --> 00:53:33,440
Speaker 3: to think of that area that he just walked through

1029
00:53:33,520 --> 00:53:35,600
Speaker 3: as kind of a dead zone, and I'm going to

1030
00:53:35,680 --> 00:53:39,400
Speaker 3: look for spots on the outside of that because I

1031
00:53:39,440 --> 00:53:42,239
Speaker 3: do not want a buck a buck could easily stand

1032
00:53:42,320 --> 00:53:44,239
Speaker 3: up one hundred yards from where he walked through and

1033
00:53:44,280 --> 00:53:46,319
Speaker 3: start coming my way. But I do not want that

1034
00:53:46,360 --> 00:53:49,440
Speaker 3: groundcent on the ground between me and the buck. So

1035
00:53:49,480 --> 00:53:51,520
Speaker 3: I'm going to maneuver a little bit to try to

1036
00:53:51,760 --> 00:53:54,879
Speaker 3: get in a better position. But I mean, we've seen

1037
00:53:54,880 --> 00:53:59,480
Speaker 3: that situation happen several times, especially during gun season, where

1038
00:53:59,840 --> 00:54:03,080
Speaker 3: we watched a buck bed down in a betting area

1039
00:54:03,600 --> 00:54:06,880
Speaker 3: and then drivers proceeded to walk all through that betting

1040
00:54:06,880 --> 00:54:09,920
Speaker 3: area for the next five hours and that buck never moved,

1041
00:54:10,480 --> 00:54:13,440
Speaker 3: and we just stood there on a rock watching that spot.

1042
00:54:14,360 --> 00:54:17,520
Speaker 3: And I mean there was a guy whistling and singing.

1043
00:54:17,800 --> 00:54:20,000
Speaker 3: We could hear him from three quarters of a mile away,

1044
00:54:20,640 --> 00:54:22,840
Speaker 3: and he walked one hundred yards past that deer, and

1045
00:54:22,880 --> 00:54:26,239
Speaker 3: the deer never got up. And that evening I killed him, wow,

1046
00:54:26,400 --> 00:54:29,000
Speaker 3: because we got right in there next to him, and

1047
00:54:29,000 --> 00:54:32,120
Speaker 3: we were confident that he was still there, and he

1048
00:54:32,160 --> 00:54:33,799
Speaker 3: got up with three or four doze and came out

1049
00:54:33,880 --> 00:54:37,319
Speaker 3: just like nothing had ever happened. Man, So in the

1050
00:54:37,320 --> 00:54:39,960
Speaker 3: middle of a thick betting area, they got they'll let

1051
00:54:40,000 --> 00:54:43,440
Speaker 3: you get pretty dang close. And if they're moving quickly

1052
00:54:43,480 --> 00:54:47,080
Speaker 3: through there, it makes them harder to smell the danger

1053
00:54:47,480 --> 00:54:49,799
Speaker 3: because they're moving past. It's not like you're set up

1054
00:54:49,800 --> 00:54:51,640
Speaker 3: there and your wind is just blowing in there for

1055
00:54:51,680 --> 00:54:52,720
Speaker 3: a long period of time.

1056
00:54:54,400 --> 00:55:00,320
Speaker 2: Interesting. That's so like what an eye opening exp to

1057
00:55:00,320 --> 00:55:02,239
Speaker 2: get to see that thing happen and play out in

1058
00:55:02,280 --> 00:55:04,640
Speaker 2: front of you and see exactly how those bucks just

1059
00:55:04,719 --> 00:55:09,800
Speaker 2: hunk her down sometimes and wait and uh, yeah, they give.

1060
00:55:09,600 --> 00:55:12,560
Speaker 3: You too much credit. We give We give bucks, especially

1061
00:55:12,600 --> 00:55:16,319
Speaker 3: too much credit. The big ones they don't. I was

1062
00:55:16,360 --> 00:55:19,520
Speaker 3: thinking about this earlier this morning because you mentioned you

1063
00:55:19,520 --> 00:55:23,680
Speaker 3: wanted to talk about situations and scenarios, and I was like, man,

1064
00:55:24,800 --> 00:55:30,319
Speaker 3: a doe is responsible for, you know, bearying young and

1065
00:55:30,840 --> 00:55:34,880
Speaker 3: making sure that those fawns don't die every year. So

1066
00:55:34,960 --> 00:55:37,759
Speaker 3: a four or five six year old dough every year

1067
00:55:37,840 --> 00:55:40,920
Speaker 3: for part of the year is paranoid. I mean she

1068
00:55:41,200 --> 00:55:44,400
Speaker 3: is looking out for anything, a twig break here, whatever,

1069
00:55:45,120 --> 00:55:48,120
Speaker 3: And they mostly rely on their eyes, their their nose

1070
00:55:48,239 --> 00:55:50,440
Speaker 3: or ears. But I mean those are in family groups

1071
00:55:50,480 --> 00:55:54,000
Speaker 3: A lot of times they're just paranoid and they drive

1072
00:55:54,120 --> 00:55:58,600
Speaker 3: me insane. But a buck from birth never has to

1073
00:55:58,640 --> 00:56:03,400
Speaker 3: worry about that. He's not thinking about protecting a fawn

1074
00:56:03,520 --> 00:56:07,479
Speaker 3: or anything like that. He's worried about eating and laying

1075
00:56:07,520 --> 00:56:09,879
Speaker 3: down and sleeping until it's the rut, and then he's

1076
00:56:09,920 --> 00:56:13,000
Speaker 3: worried about girls. He's either worried about fighting his buddies

1077
00:56:13,120 --> 00:56:15,839
Speaker 3: or girls or eating and sleeping. So by the time

1078
00:56:15,880 --> 00:56:20,760
Speaker 3: they get to be old bucks, they just are. They

1079
00:56:21,080 --> 00:56:23,480
Speaker 3: are not nearly as skittish as does are.

1080
00:56:24,520 --> 00:56:24,680
Speaker 2: Now.

1081
00:56:25,000 --> 00:56:27,520
Speaker 3: Their nose is a different story. They live and die

1082
00:56:27,560 --> 00:56:30,680
Speaker 3: by that thing. But if their noses compromise, if you

1083
00:56:30,760 --> 00:56:33,239
Speaker 3: got to wind in your favor and you're walking through

1084
00:56:33,239 --> 00:56:35,000
Speaker 3: the middle of a betting area like that, you got

1085
00:56:35,000 --> 00:56:37,839
Speaker 3: to darn your step on them things to get them

1086
00:56:38,080 --> 00:56:41,680
Speaker 3: up and to move them. And sometimes when you jump them,

1087
00:56:41,719 --> 00:56:43,719
Speaker 3: they run forty fifty yards and turn around like they

1088
00:56:43,760 --> 00:56:47,600
Speaker 3: didn't know what the heck just happened. They just don't

1089
00:56:47,600 --> 00:56:50,680
Speaker 3: have the same level of I don't even know paranoia

1090
00:56:51,000 --> 00:56:52,520
Speaker 3: as a as a doe does.

1091
00:56:53,160 --> 00:56:58,120
Speaker 2: Yeah, And the ones that get old I think, have

1092
00:56:58,200 --> 00:57:00,759
Speaker 2: a certain level of confidence in their thing once they

1093
00:57:00,800 --> 00:57:02,560
Speaker 2: get that, because the only reason they made it to

1094
00:57:02,600 --> 00:57:04,920
Speaker 2: that age is because their thing worked right. And so

1095
00:57:04,960 --> 00:57:07,840
Speaker 2: it's hard to push them off the routine, off their spot,

1096
00:57:07,920 --> 00:57:10,520
Speaker 2: off their safety zone, because man, that's worked really well

1097
00:57:10,560 --> 00:57:15,399
Speaker 2: for them. If they've made it to the weeks, right, Yeah. Yeah.

1098
00:57:15,440 --> 00:57:16,920
Speaker 2: That's one thing that I think a lot of us

1099
00:57:16,960 --> 00:57:19,960
Speaker 2: early on we assume that these things are like magicians

1100
00:57:20,040 --> 00:57:22,680
Speaker 2: and that oh gosh, you you you ever give them

1101
00:57:22,720 --> 00:57:25,320
Speaker 2: any clue, they're out of there. But oftentimes it's it's

1102
00:57:25,400 --> 00:57:30,560
Speaker 2: kind of the opposite. Let's let's do this one. Let's

1103
00:57:30,640 --> 00:57:37,080
Speaker 2: let's stay in the Midwest Ish and let's say it's

1104
00:57:37,080 --> 00:57:40,880
Speaker 2: November and you're working in to hunt a mixed aag

1105
00:57:41,040 --> 00:57:45,840
Speaker 2: and timber kind of property like your your textbook. Great,

1106
00:57:46,000 --> 00:57:49,360
Speaker 2: you know some ridge, top fields, some cover, some draws,

1107
00:57:49,400 --> 00:57:52,040
Speaker 2: et cetera. You're heading in and you were going to

1108
00:57:52,520 --> 00:57:56,560
Speaker 2: you were playing to hunt a ambush location. You've brought

1109
00:57:56,560 --> 00:57:58,440
Speaker 2: your saddle in, you were planning on getting up in

1110
00:57:58,480 --> 00:58:02,160
Speaker 2: a tree. But as you go in there you spot

1111
00:58:01,760 --> 00:58:06,960
Speaker 2: a buck locked onto a dough, slowly moving, but slowly

1112
00:58:07,000 --> 00:58:10,040
Speaker 2: moving away from you, so they have no they have

1113
00:58:10,040 --> 00:58:13,240
Speaker 2: no awareness of your presence, but their general direction is

1114
00:58:13,280 --> 00:58:17,320
Speaker 2: heading away from you. It's the rut. It's early afternoon,

1115
00:58:17,360 --> 00:58:19,720
Speaker 2: because you're heading into hunt. What do you do in

1116
00:58:19,760 --> 00:58:20,360
Speaker 2: that scenario?

1117
00:58:22,400 --> 00:58:25,360
Speaker 3: Burning the hand guy, I'm going after him some way,

1118
00:58:25,440 --> 00:58:28,439
Speaker 3: shape or form. I'm either trying to use the cover

1119
00:58:29,120 --> 00:58:33,320
Speaker 3: whatever that offers to continue moving in the direction just

1120
00:58:33,400 --> 00:58:35,880
Speaker 3: right behind them, because they're walking. If they're walking away

1121
00:58:35,880 --> 00:58:37,760
Speaker 3: from me, they're not looking at me. And if we've

1122
00:58:37,800 --> 00:58:40,320
Speaker 3: got a little bit of wind, which is which I

1123
00:58:40,320 --> 00:58:43,320
Speaker 3: would ideally have in the middle of the day when

1124
00:58:43,320 --> 00:58:46,880
Speaker 3: the day winds are up or early afternoon, I'm moving

1125
00:58:46,920 --> 00:58:50,280
Speaker 3: aggressively towards them until I get to a point where

1126
00:58:51,560 --> 00:58:53,920
Speaker 3: they can start to hear me or see me, and

1127
00:58:53,960 --> 00:58:55,760
Speaker 3: then I've got a Then I need to be a

1128
00:58:55,800 --> 00:58:58,480
Speaker 3: little bit more strategic about where to go and how

1129
00:58:58,520 --> 00:59:02,360
Speaker 3: to get there. But the movement in the rud is

1130
00:59:02,400 --> 00:59:07,000
Speaker 3: so sporadic and unpredictable, especially whenever it involves a buck

1131
00:59:07,040 --> 00:59:09,800
Speaker 3: and a dough. One thing that we have noticed is

1132
00:59:09,800 --> 00:59:12,800
Speaker 3: they'll occasionally push them up against a barrier of some kind,

1133
00:59:13,680 --> 00:59:17,240
Speaker 3: just like a river or a fence or a road

1134
00:59:18,080 --> 00:59:21,800
Speaker 3: or a wood lot or something like that. But it's

1135
00:59:21,840 --> 00:59:27,200
Speaker 3: still as hard to predict. So it's I've made the

1136
00:59:27,440 --> 00:59:30,280
Speaker 3: I've done this so many times and not had success

1137
00:59:30,280 --> 00:59:32,080
Speaker 3: where I saw that happen, and then I was like, oh,

1138
00:59:32,120 --> 00:59:34,200
Speaker 3: I just need to set up nearby. Well, I set

1139
00:59:34,280 --> 00:59:36,280
Speaker 3: up nearby, and then I ended up watching them all night,

1140
00:59:36,360 --> 00:59:38,640
Speaker 3: or I watched them until they moved away or called

1141
00:59:38,680 --> 00:59:40,800
Speaker 3: at him, rattled at them and didn't do anything. Now,

1142
00:59:41,160 --> 00:59:43,880
Speaker 3: a few times we've decoyed the men from a way's way,

1143
00:59:44,040 --> 00:59:46,880
Speaker 3: but most of the time we're trying to get in

1144
00:59:47,000 --> 00:59:50,800
Speaker 3: tight to that action, you know, and just wait for

1145
00:59:50,840 --> 00:59:55,480
Speaker 3: them to make a mistake, and they're they're dictating our

1146
00:59:55,560 --> 00:59:57,600
Speaker 3: plan at that point. Once we see them, especially if

1147
00:59:57,600 --> 01:00:01,480
Speaker 3: they're not spooked, that's that all the eggs are going

1148
01:00:01,520 --> 01:00:02,360
Speaker 3: in that basket.

1149
01:00:03,880 --> 01:00:07,240
Speaker 2: Let's say you try to, you know, try to circle around,

1150
01:00:07,280 --> 01:00:09,360
Speaker 2: try to make a move something, but for whatever reason,

1151
01:00:09,440 --> 01:00:12,920
Speaker 2: you can't get close enough. It doesn't work out. But

1152
01:00:13,040 --> 01:00:15,160
Speaker 2: you can see, like this buck is on this dough.

1153
01:00:15,240 --> 01:00:17,800
Speaker 2: It gets dark, there's still not away of your presence.

1154
01:00:18,320 --> 01:00:19,640
Speaker 2: What's the next morning plan?

1155
01:00:23,360 --> 01:00:26,160
Speaker 3: It kind of depends on the conditions of that morning.

1156
01:00:26,320 --> 01:00:29,919
Speaker 3: Ideally you slip out of there without Boogernham. If they're

1157
01:00:29,960 --> 01:00:32,880
Speaker 3: not aware of our presence, that's a great thing. But

1158
01:00:33,680 --> 01:00:37,080
Speaker 3: the next morning I would just want to know if

1159
01:00:37,080 --> 01:00:41,800
Speaker 3: they're there. So if I could get right back to

1160
01:00:41,880 --> 01:00:44,320
Speaker 3: that same spot where I could see a long distance

1161
01:00:44,440 --> 01:00:46,960
Speaker 3: or whatever, then I would do that. If I couldn't,

1162
01:00:47,120 --> 01:00:48,680
Speaker 3: I would try to get to a spot where I

1163
01:00:48,680 --> 01:00:52,760
Speaker 3: could observe again into that same area, and I might

1164
01:00:52,800 --> 01:00:56,040
Speaker 3: sit there for a while, because at daylight they may

1165
01:00:56,040 --> 01:00:58,360
Speaker 3: not be they may not be standing up out there.

1166
01:00:58,960 --> 01:01:00,720
Speaker 3: A lot of times they'll move around all night and

1167
01:01:00,720 --> 01:01:02,800
Speaker 3: then they'll bed down before daylight and they may not

1168
01:01:02,840 --> 01:01:05,040
Speaker 3: even stand up until nine ten o'clock in the morning.

1169
01:01:05,800 --> 01:01:07,800
Speaker 3: You know, if I can't see in there good enough

1170
01:01:08,040 --> 01:01:10,200
Speaker 3: until they stand up and start moving around, then I'm

1171
01:01:10,240 --> 01:01:12,440
Speaker 3: just going to go right back to observe me again

1172
01:01:13,320 --> 01:01:14,880
Speaker 3: on the ground, or would you get up in a

1173
01:01:14,880 --> 01:01:17,480
Speaker 3: tree to see more. It just depends on the situation

1174
01:01:17,800 --> 01:01:20,200
Speaker 3: and what it yields. You know, if on the ground

1175
01:01:20,240 --> 01:01:22,479
Speaker 3: you're dealing with chest high cover and you can't see

1176
01:01:22,480 --> 01:01:25,240
Speaker 3: that far, then I would try to get elevated in

1177
01:01:25,240 --> 01:01:27,120
Speaker 3: whatever way that I could. I mean, I've thought about

1178
01:01:27,120 --> 01:01:29,720
Speaker 3: taking an eight to ten foot step letter out there

1179
01:01:30,360 --> 01:01:32,280
Speaker 3: and just going two hundred yards out in the middle

1180
01:01:32,280 --> 01:01:34,040
Speaker 3: of that stuff and popping it up and sitting on

1181
01:01:34,040 --> 01:01:35,880
Speaker 3: top of it until I see a rack move or

1182
01:01:35,920 --> 01:01:38,760
Speaker 3: a deer move around in it, and then down I

1183
01:01:38,840 --> 01:01:42,520
Speaker 3: go and over to them and repeat the process again

1184
01:01:42,560 --> 01:01:44,560
Speaker 3: that we did the day before. But it's the rut.

1185
01:01:44,720 --> 01:01:48,640
Speaker 3: Everything is so unpredictable. So yes, they could still be

1186
01:01:48,680 --> 01:01:51,120
Speaker 3: there the next day, but there's also a high chance

1187
01:01:51,560 --> 01:01:54,360
Speaker 3: that they ain't there, and you don't want to just

1188
01:01:54,440 --> 01:01:58,200
Speaker 3: burn your entire day in there. If you get real

1189
01:01:58,240 --> 01:02:00,680
Speaker 3: aggressive and you go right back to the same exact spot,

1190
01:02:00,720 --> 01:02:03,400
Speaker 3: that could work out. But if you can't see fifty yards,

1191
01:02:04,240 --> 01:02:06,640
Speaker 3: then you're putting all your chips on them coming through

1192
01:02:06,680 --> 01:02:10,400
Speaker 3: that spot, and it's easy for people to run out

1193
01:02:10,400 --> 01:02:13,840
Speaker 3: of patience in that scenario. So you know, by nine

1194
01:02:13,880 --> 01:02:15,560
Speaker 3: ten o'clock in the morning, when you need to be

1195
01:02:15,640 --> 01:02:18,320
Speaker 3: watching and ready, you're starting to second guess yourself and

1196
01:02:18,360 --> 01:02:20,760
Speaker 3: you're like, are they even here anymore? And I've got

1197
01:02:20,800 --> 01:02:23,640
Speaker 3: this other spot or you know, only have three days

1198
01:02:23,680 --> 01:02:26,040
Speaker 3: left to hunt, and I'm hungry and blah blah blah.

1199
01:02:26,080 --> 01:02:28,400
Speaker 3: All that stuff starts going through your head. So I'd

1200
01:02:28,480 --> 01:02:30,880
Speaker 3: rather get to a spot where I know if they're

1201
01:02:30,920 --> 01:02:31,360
Speaker 3: there or not.

1202
01:02:34,200 --> 01:02:37,320
Speaker 2: So this might be a scenario that you never put

1203
01:02:37,320 --> 01:02:40,480
Speaker 2: yourself in, because I know you are pretty aggressive and

1204
01:02:40,640 --> 01:02:43,680
Speaker 2: like to move around and everything. But let me lay

1205
01:02:43,680 --> 01:02:46,760
Speaker 2: out a possible scenario and if this is like, if

1206
01:02:46,760 --> 01:02:48,560
Speaker 2: the premise is ridiculous, then you can tell me, I

1207
01:02:48,560 --> 01:02:50,840
Speaker 2: would just never be in this. But let's just say,

1208
01:02:50,880 --> 01:02:55,280
Speaker 2: like you found the spot of all spots for the rut.

1209
01:02:55,480 --> 01:02:59,840
Speaker 2: It is absolutely dynamite sign It is a funnel pinch,

1210
01:03:00,320 --> 01:03:03,160
Speaker 2: some kind of situation where it's just like God, it screams,

1211
01:03:03,840 --> 01:03:07,000
Speaker 2: it screams, this is good. Maybe you have historically seen

1212
01:03:07,040 --> 01:03:09,240
Speaker 2: all sorts of bucks cruise through this place, or you

1213
01:03:09,280 --> 01:03:11,600
Speaker 2: have trail camera pictures from the past or something that

1214
01:03:11,640 --> 01:03:14,600
Speaker 2: tells you, like, man, this is it, and you decide,

1215
01:03:14,680 --> 01:03:17,400
Speaker 2: I am going to sit this spot because a cruising

1216
01:03:17,440 --> 01:03:20,600
Speaker 2: buck will hit this on November seventh or sixth or

1217
01:03:20,640 --> 01:03:23,800
Speaker 2: whatever it is. And you set up there and you

1218
01:03:23,960 --> 01:03:27,800
Speaker 2: spend a day or two daylight to dark. So again,

1219
01:03:27,800 --> 01:03:29,840
Speaker 2: maybe you wouldn't do that, But let's say you've spent,

1220
01:03:30,000 --> 01:03:32,920
Speaker 2: like you put in serious time because you believe in

1221
01:03:32,920 --> 01:03:37,840
Speaker 2: it so much. Is there ever a scenario like that

1222
01:03:37,920 --> 01:03:41,560
Speaker 2: in which you would marry yourself to a location and

1223
01:03:41,640 --> 01:03:44,120
Speaker 2: sit it out for more than that, or if you

1224
01:03:44,200 --> 01:03:46,320
Speaker 2: if you go a full day in a dynamite spot

1225
01:03:46,360 --> 01:03:47,920
Speaker 2: like that, or a full day and a half or

1226
01:03:47,960 --> 01:03:50,400
Speaker 2: two days, you're just you're gonna give up and you're

1227
01:03:50,400 --> 01:03:53,000
Speaker 2: gonna move on, and you're gonna keep seeking out something fresh.

1228
01:03:53,520 --> 01:03:55,440
Speaker 2: What would you do in that situation, and or what

1229
01:03:55,560 --> 01:03:57,880
Speaker 2: is the more realistic version of that scenario for you?

1230
01:03:58,480 --> 01:03:59,120
Speaker 2: Did it?

1231
01:03:59,200 --> 01:04:02,040
Speaker 3: Last fall found a spot like that on a relatively

1232
01:04:02,080 --> 01:04:04,360
Speaker 3: small public piece that was really thick.

1233
01:04:06,320 --> 01:04:07,400
Speaker 2: Where it didn't.

1234
01:04:07,160 --> 01:04:10,080
Speaker 3: Really allow for you to move around a lot there

1235
01:04:10,160 --> 01:04:12,840
Speaker 3: just wasn't I mean, it wasn't that big. It was

1236
01:04:13,200 --> 01:04:17,280
Speaker 3: a small area. So we sat that spot like two days,

1237
01:04:17,920 --> 01:04:20,080
Speaker 3: and then eventually middle of the day we had a

1238
01:04:20,280 --> 01:04:22,480
Speaker 3: huge buck come through. We'd seen a lot of does

1239
01:04:22,560 --> 01:04:25,920
Speaker 3: that kept coming through this spot. It was a funnel

1240
01:04:25,960 --> 01:04:28,120
Speaker 3: in between two beding air Its just a small little

1241
01:04:28,480 --> 01:04:32,520
Speaker 3: hardwood region between two thick bedding areas and would we

1242
01:04:32,600 --> 01:04:35,920
Speaker 3: constantly saw does moving through there. And then all of

1243
01:04:35,960 --> 01:04:38,080
Speaker 3: a sudden we had a cruising buck come through. He

1244
01:04:38,240 --> 01:04:41,080
Speaker 3: was actually about twenty minutes behind a dough that had

1245
01:04:41,120 --> 01:04:43,280
Speaker 3: been panting a good bit. She came past and we

1246
01:04:43,320 --> 01:04:45,760
Speaker 3: could tell something was up with her, and she went

1247
01:04:45,840 --> 01:04:48,080
Speaker 3: through there, and we got ready and we waited a

1248
01:04:48,120 --> 01:04:50,120
Speaker 3: long time, and then all of a sudden we heard

1249
01:04:50,160 --> 01:04:52,440
Speaker 3: brush breaking and grunting and everything, and he ran right

1250
01:04:52,560 --> 01:04:54,080
Speaker 3: underneath us, and I messed it up. I should have

1251
01:04:54,160 --> 01:05:00,480
Speaker 3: killed him, but that was an example of sitting in

1252
01:05:00,520 --> 01:05:03,720
Speaker 3: that spot and waiting, and that buck we never had

1253
01:05:03,840 --> 01:05:06,880
Speaker 3: pictures of. We had never seen him. Nobody else that

1254
01:05:07,040 --> 01:05:09,280
Speaker 3: hunted that area had ever seen him to my knowledge.

1255
01:05:10,760 --> 01:05:15,200
Speaker 3: So if you if you had been sitting that thing

1256
01:05:15,240 --> 01:05:17,320
Speaker 3: for one or two days and then gave up on it,

1257
01:05:17,560 --> 01:05:23,320
Speaker 3: you'd have never had that encounter. So it it depends

1258
01:05:23,360 --> 01:05:26,680
Speaker 3: on the spot and what you can and can't get

1259
01:05:26,720 --> 01:05:30,320
Speaker 3: away with. If your access is awesome and you leave

1260
01:05:30,360 --> 01:05:33,440
Speaker 3: the little ground scent and your wind is super consistent,

1261
01:05:34,720 --> 01:05:36,800
Speaker 3: I don't see any reason why you can't hunt it

1262
01:05:37,000 --> 01:05:42,240
Speaker 3: day after day. But that scenario just doesn't. I mean,

1263
01:05:42,280 --> 01:05:45,919
Speaker 3: it's there's always a wrinkle in there. It's always like, man,

1264
01:05:46,000 --> 01:05:48,400
Speaker 3: this spot is great until ten or eleven, and then

1265
01:05:48,440 --> 01:05:50,440
Speaker 3: the day winds pick up, and then the wind starts

1266
01:05:50,440 --> 01:05:52,919
Speaker 3: to swirl around, and then I start getting busted more.

1267
01:05:53,320 --> 01:05:55,560
Speaker 3: And then it's like, well, you got to think about that.

1268
01:05:55,840 --> 01:06:00,600
Speaker 3: And so with that said, the fuse spots that I

1269
01:06:00,640 --> 01:06:02,680
Speaker 3: have found like that, I would sit them over and

1270
01:06:02,720 --> 01:06:03,600
Speaker 3: over and over again.

1271
01:06:03,960 --> 01:06:05,120
Speaker 2: But I also.

1272
01:06:07,800 --> 01:06:10,320
Speaker 3: You know, if I've got other options in the immediate area,

1273
01:06:12,280 --> 01:06:14,960
Speaker 3: I'm probably gonna go give those a world too. Just

1274
01:06:15,000 --> 01:06:18,160
Speaker 3: to give that spot a rest in most situations where

1275
01:06:18,240 --> 01:06:21,280
Speaker 3: you don't have all the factors in your favor, where

1276
01:06:21,520 --> 01:06:25,160
Speaker 3: you know you are spooking a few deer here and there,

1277
01:06:25,240 --> 01:06:27,240
Speaker 3: going in and out of there, I'll give it a

1278
01:06:27,280 --> 01:06:31,600
Speaker 3: rest for a week, for a few days at least.

1279
01:06:32,400 --> 01:06:34,880
Speaker 3: But it's it's it's always on the table, you know.

1280
01:06:34,960 --> 01:06:37,040
Speaker 3: If you say, for example, you have a south wind

1281
01:06:37,080 --> 01:06:39,120
Speaker 3: for ten days in a row, and that's a perfect

1282
01:06:39,120 --> 01:06:41,280
Speaker 3: south wind spot, and you hunt the first two days,

1283
01:06:41,520 --> 01:06:43,360
Speaker 3: you see a lot of activity. You just don't get

1284
01:06:43,400 --> 01:06:46,000
Speaker 3: a shot, but you do spook a few deer here

1285
01:06:46,040 --> 01:06:48,360
Speaker 3: and there, and you go down the road and you

1286
01:06:48,440 --> 01:06:51,360
Speaker 3: hunt Plan B and Plan C. Well, by day five six,

1287
01:06:52,640 --> 01:06:54,800
Speaker 3: the best action that you've had are still in Plan

1288
01:06:54,880 --> 01:06:58,320
Speaker 3: A in that spot. So it's like, man, I still

1289
01:06:58,360 --> 01:07:00,520
Speaker 3: got a good win to go in there, go back,

1290
01:07:01,120 --> 01:07:02,919
Speaker 3: give it a try again. If that's the If that's

1291
01:07:02,960 --> 01:07:06,440
Speaker 3: the best option that you have, you might as well

1292
01:07:06,520 --> 01:07:08,960
Speaker 3: keep trying it until it yields poor results.

1293
01:07:09,440 --> 01:07:12,120
Speaker 2: Right, Yeah, at least let the deer tell.

1294
01:07:11,920 --> 01:07:15,520
Speaker 3: You all right, yep, yeah, And remember you're in the

1295
01:07:15,560 --> 01:07:18,640
Speaker 3: middle of the rut. Anything can happen to a certain

1296
01:07:18,680 --> 01:07:21,600
Speaker 3: degree that the thing I don't want to do, especially

1297
01:07:21,680 --> 01:07:24,040
Speaker 3: towards the middle and the end of the rut. I

1298
01:07:24,760 --> 01:07:26,360
Speaker 3: let me let me back up. The thing I don't

1299
01:07:26,360 --> 01:07:27,840
Speaker 3: want to do at the beginning of the rut and

1300
01:07:27,880 --> 01:07:29,560
Speaker 3: the end of the rut is I don't want to

1301
01:07:29,600 --> 01:07:33,040
Speaker 3: blow those dough groups out of there. You know, in

1302
01:07:33,080 --> 01:07:34,920
Speaker 3: the middle of the rut, when most of them are

1303
01:07:34,960 --> 01:07:38,760
Speaker 3: in heat, it's just utter chaos everywhere. But as they

1304
01:07:38,800 --> 01:07:42,360
Speaker 3: start grouping back up, getting on the back half of November,

1305
01:07:42,800 --> 01:07:45,160
Speaker 3: you don't want to blow those dough groups out of there.

1306
01:07:45,320 --> 01:07:49,200
Speaker 3: You're hunting the doe group. You want to make sure

1307
01:07:49,240 --> 01:07:51,360
Speaker 3: that you're getting in and out of there without boogering

1308
01:07:51,400 --> 01:07:53,520
Speaker 3: them up, because bucks are going to swoop through there

1309
01:07:53,960 --> 01:07:56,400
Speaker 3: regardless of whether you're there or not. If the dos

1310
01:07:56,440 --> 01:07:58,560
Speaker 3: are right there, the bucks are going to be there,

1311
01:07:58,600 --> 01:07:59,960
Speaker 3: So don't booger the doze up.

1312
01:08:13,720 --> 01:08:17,320
Speaker 2: So would that mean that you would usually avoid the

1313
01:08:17,360 --> 01:08:21,320
Speaker 2: more aggressive move around popping ridges, checking spots. You're not

1314
01:08:21,400 --> 01:08:23,439
Speaker 2: going to do that that first few days of November,

1315
01:08:23,560 --> 01:08:25,320
Speaker 2: last few days of November. That's going to be just

1316
01:08:25,360 --> 01:08:26,040
Speaker 2: that core ruck.

1317
01:08:27,360 --> 01:08:30,799
Speaker 3: Uh No, I still will It depends like your scenario

1318
01:08:30,840 --> 01:08:33,880
Speaker 3: that you illustrated earlier, I only had two days and

1319
01:08:33,920 --> 01:08:36,120
Speaker 3: I was in an area that I wasn't familiar with. Yeah,

1320
01:08:36,160 --> 01:08:39,759
Speaker 3: so I don't know where the X is. I can guess,

1321
01:08:40,200 --> 01:08:43,040
Speaker 3: and I might be right twenty percent of the time,

1322
01:08:43,040 --> 01:08:45,720
Speaker 3: who knows. But if I only got two days, I'm

1323
01:08:45,720 --> 01:08:47,320
Speaker 3: not going to leave it up to guessing. I'm going

1324
01:08:47,400 --> 01:08:50,639
Speaker 3: to go try to make my own luck. If I've

1325
01:08:50,840 --> 01:08:54,760
Speaker 3: already scouted in the ideal scenario and I've hunted that

1326
01:08:54,840 --> 01:08:58,280
Speaker 3: property a year or two, and I have a better idea,

1327
01:08:58,400 --> 01:09:01,320
Speaker 3: like you mentioned with this last exam of where bucks

1328
01:09:01,320 --> 01:09:04,519
Speaker 3: traditionally cruise through and where doughs like to bed, I

1329
01:09:04,600 --> 01:09:06,720
Speaker 3: have a lot of that information that I need at

1330
01:09:06,760 --> 01:09:09,439
Speaker 3: that point, I don't I may not need to go

1331
01:09:09,479 --> 01:09:12,280
Speaker 3: popping ridges, although if you get bored and you got

1332
01:09:12,400 --> 01:09:15,440
Speaker 3: enough room to go do it. It can work, especially

1333
01:09:15,520 --> 01:09:19,160
Speaker 3: if you have good conditions. If you've got windy, wet conditions,

1334
01:09:19,200 --> 01:09:23,400
Speaker 3: you can go. You can get right up on them.

1335
01:09:23,680 --> 01:09:27,519
Speaker 2: One follow up question on the spot where you really

1336
01:09:27,520 --> 01:09:30,120
Speaker 2: know the X and you have history, what's the MAXI

1337
01:09:30,120 --> 01:09:32,479
Speaker 2: amount of time? Or I guess what's the sweet spot

1338
01:09:32,520 --> 01:09:34,479
Speaker 2: of time? You will give a spot like that before

1339
01:09:34,560 --> 01:09:38,840
Speaker 2: going and checking out options B, C or elsewhere is

1340
01:09:38,880 --> 01:09:41,439
Speaker 2: two days that amount that you'll give it or what

1341
01:09:41,560 --> 01:09:43,080
Speaker 2: is that amount? Man?

1342
01:09:43,160 --> 01:09:45,320
Speaker 3: If I get in there and I just ain't seeing sign,

1343
01:09:45,400 --> 01:09:47,560
Speaker 3: and I spend an entire day or a morning and

1344
01:09:47,680 --> 01:09:50,400
Speaker 3: evening sit in there under good conditions and I don't

1345
01:09:50,439 --> 01:09:53,840
Speaker 3: see any deer at all, I'm going to bail, but

1346
01:09:53,960 --> 01:09:54,439
Speaker 3: I'll read.

1347
01:09:54,400 --> 01:09:57,400
Speaker 2: What is it it? Again? What about the scenario you

1348
01:09:57,439 --> 01:09:59,200
Speaker 2: talked about with that big buck that you ended up

1349
01:10:00,080 --> 01:10:01,479
Speaker 2: should have had a shot? I guess you said. So

1350
01:10:01,520 --> 01:10:05,360
Speaker 2: let's say it's it's great conditions, it's great sign and

1351
01:10:05,400 --> 01:10:07,240
Speaker 2: you are still seeing deer, Like there's a lot of

1352
01:10:07,280 --> 01:10:09,160
Speaker 2: does moving through. You just haven't had the right buck

1353
01:10:10,680 --> 01:10:13,800
Speaker 2: in that situation. Is that any different? Oh? Yeah, I'd

1354
01:10:13,800 --> 01:10:14,320
Speaker 2: hang with it.

1355
01:10:14,360 --> 01:10:17,560
Speaker 3: Then, I'd hang with it for a few days potentially,

1356
01:10:17,880 --> 01:10:19,280
Speaker 3: so long as I can get in and out of

1357
01:10:19,280 --> 01:10:22,479
Speaker 3: there without bugger and stuff. It's like, I don't know

1358
01:10:22,520 --> 01:10:25,640
Speaker 3: the best way to put this. You only get so

1359
01:10:25,720 --> 01:10:29,720
Speaker 3: many strikes. So if you can get in and out

1360
01:10:29,720 --> 01:10:32,479
Speaker 3: of there, Man, if you can get in there and

1361
01:10:32,520 --> 01:10:35,120
Speaker 3: you can take it bats without getting struck out or

1362
01:10:35,160 --> 01:10:37,840
Speaker 3: seeing strikes and they just keep walking you, then you

1363
01:10:37,960 --> 01:10:39,040
Speaker 3: just keep stepping.

1364
01:10:38,800 --> 01:10:42,400
Speaker 2: Up to the plate. Yeah, So that makes sense if.

1365
01:10:42,280 --> 01:10:44,400
Speaker 3: You go in there, though, and you blow a dough

1366
01:10:44,439 --> 01:10:46,639
Speaker 3: and she's blowing down through the middle of the bedding area.

1367
01:10:46,720 --> 01:10:48,519
Speaker 3: And then a spike comes in and he does the

1368
01:10:48,560 --> 01:10:52,479
Speaker 3: same thing. You know, when you're leaving grounds in all

1369
01:10:52,520 --> 01:10:56,360
Speaker 3: around the tree, you're gonna notice if you just sit

1370
01:10:56,400 --> 01:10:59,120
Speaker 3: there day after day, you're gonna notice towards the end

1371
01:10:59,240 --> 01:11:01,559
Speaker 3: of that three, four or five day stretch that those

1372
01:11:01,600 --> 01:11:03,160
Speaker 3: deer are starting to get more nervous.

1373
01:11:04,640 --> 01:11:07,360
Speaker 2: That brings up like another question that I've had some

1374
01:11:07,400 --> 01:11:11,280
Speaker 2: situations like this. We probably all have. But let's say

1375
01:11:11,400 --> 01:11:14,280
Speaker 2: you have a spot that you know is like the spot.

1376
01:11:14,760 --> 01:11:19,400
Speaker 2: It is a creek crossing with amazing bedding on both

1377
01:11:19,439 --> 01:11:24,559
Speaker 2: sides of the creek, and it is just terrific thick

1378
01:11:24,880 --> 01:11:29,360
Speaker 2: brushy cover, bushes, shrubs, tall grasses, the kind of stuff

1379
01:11:29,360 --> 01:11:31,600
Speaker 2: that white tails just love to be in. And you

1380
01:11:31,720 --> 01:11:35,320
Speaker 2: know from past history and scouting that, man, if you

1381
01:11:35,360 --> 01:11:37,960
Speaker 2: had to pick any one place in this zone, this

1382
01:11:38,040 --> 01:11:40,240
Speaker 2: big old oak tree by the creek crossing is the

1383
01:11:40,280 --> 01:11:45,759
Speaker 2: spot that every buck passes by. But there's deer betted

1384
01:11:45,840 --> 01:11:47,760
Speaker 2: on all sides of you, and there's deer traveling on

1385
01:11:47,800 --> 01:11:50,000
Speaker 2: all sides of you, and there's there's no safe wind.

1386
01:11:50,080 --> 01:11:52,880
Speaker 2: There's nowhere you can go that there aren't going to

1387
01:11:52,920 --> 01:11:57,280
Speaker 2: be deer getting you eventually, at some point, will you

1388
01:11:57,479 --> 01:11:59,960
Speaker 2: ever throw the hail Mary and say, yeah, I got

1389
01:12:00,200 --> 01:12:02,640
Speaker 2: to try it because it's that good, even though I

1390
01:12:02,720 --> 01:12:04,639
Speaker 2: know there's a very high chance at some point you're

1391
01:12:04,640 --> 01:12:06,880
Speaker 2: gonna get winded. Or are you going to say, Man,

1392
01:12:06,880 --> 01:12:09,920
Speaker 2: it's just going to be too high risk, I'm gonna

1393
01:12:09,920 --> 01:12:12,360
Speaker 2: blow things up eventually during the afternoon set or whatever.

1394
01:12:12,560 --> 01:12:14,360
Speaker 2: I have to find somewhere on the edge that's not

1395
01:12:14,439 --> 01:12:15,639
Speaker 2: quite as good but safer.

1396
01:12:16,320 --> 01:12:20,680
Speaker 3: I might try the edge first, but ultimately dear the

1397
01:12:20,720 --> 01:12:22,880
Speaker 3: way that they go through their fall. As you know that,

1398
01:12:23,000 --> 01:12:28,559
Speaker 3: it's like segments and patterns change and behaviors change. So

1399
01:12:29,439 --> 01:12:33,720
Speaker 3: if you know they're in there and you have all

1400
01:12:33,760 --> 01:12:36,680
Speaker 3: the intel, I'm gonna hunt it at some point. Now

1401
01:12:36,680 --> 01:12:40,360
Speaker 3: the conditions may dictate when I do that. You know,

1402
01:12:41,760 --> 01:12:45,040
Speaker 3: maybe there is no safe way. Like you said, there

1403
01:12:45,120 --> 01:12:47,280
Speaker 3: is no safe way, But is there a way that

1404
01:12:47,439 --> 01:12:52,599
Speaker 3: is safer than the other. So, for example, early morning,

1405
01:12:52,800 --> 01:12:55,640
Speaker 3: late in the day with a calm wind, does it

1406
01:12:55,680 --> 01:12:58,080
Speaker 3: blow straight down that creek and take your scent back

1407
01:12:58,080 --> 01:13:00,840
Speaker 3: down the middle of the creek under you know, between

1408
01:13:00,880 --> 01:13:04,160
Speaker 3: five and ten miles an hour. Will it do that?

1409
01:13:05,120 --> 01:13:09,080
Speaker 3: Versus midday fifteen twenty miles an hour. Your wind is

1410
01:13:09,120 --> 01:13:13,360
Speaker 3: literally going in all directions. That's a problem because you

1411
01:13:13,400 --> 01:13:16,000
Speaker 3: have betted deer that are stationary all the way around you,

1412
01:13:16,040 --> 01:13:19,360
Speaker 3: and you're essentially jacked up in a tree right there,

1413
01:13:20,200 --> 01:13:22,400
Speaker 3: and you're a scent wick that's just blowing your scent

1414
01:13:22,640 --> 01:13:25,639
Speaker 3: with those swirling winds all the way around you. Is

1415
01:13:26,400 --> 01:13:30,599
Speaker 3: that is as unsafe as unsafe gets as far as

1416
01:13:30,640 --> 01:13:33,200
Speaker 3: deer getting you. But if you have that calm wind scenario,

1417
01:13:33,400 --> 01:13:35,240
Speaker 3: but you only have it for a first couple hours

1418
01:13:35,280 --> 01:13:39,000
Speaker 3: of the morning, I'd be trying to hunt it. Even

1419
01:13:39,040 --> 01:13:42,160
Speaker 3: if you blow a deer here or there, I'd still

1420
01:13:42,200 --> 01:13:44,200
Speaker 3: be trying to get in there because if that's the

1421
01:13:44,240 --> 01:13:46,160
Speaker 3: ex it's the X you're hunting with a bow. You

1422
01:13:46,240 --> 01:13:49,040
Speaker 3: got to get within twenty thirty yards. In my opinion,

1423
01:13:49,080 --> 01:13:50,840
Speaker 3: you got to get within twenty five yards of the thing.

1424
01:13:51,840 --> 01:13:53,800
Speaker 3: So if that tree is right there and then you

1425
01:13:53,840 --> 01:13:57,960
Speaker 3: can blow your wind away from that trail, that's I mean,

1426
01:13:58,000 --> 01:14:02,960
Speaker 3: you're talking about two may check marks, excuse me, check

1427
01:14:03,000 --> 01:14:05,920
Speaker 3: marks right there. Yeah, I'm gonna hunt it.

1428
01:14:08,479 --> 01:14:11,719
Speaker 2: Let's do one last question in these kind of scenarios,

1429
01:14:11,720 --> 01:14:14,160
Speaker 2: and then I'll run you through some really quick rapid

1430
01:14:14,160 --> 01:14:17,280
Speaker 2: fire stuff. But this one's gonna be very different because

1431
01:14:18,720 --> 01:14:20,639
Speaker 2: I want to throw one out here for the folks

1432
01:14:20,640 --> 01:14:24,400
Speaker 2: who are newer and who are looking to just get

1433
01:14:24,400 --> 01:14:26,880
Speaker 2: a deer killed. They're not worried about killing a big buck.

1434
01:14:26,880 --> 01:14:29,960
Speaker 2: They're not killing worried about killing the mature buck. They're

1435
01:14:29,960 --> 01:14:31,479
Speaker 2: just trying to get a deer killed. And all they

1436
01:14:31,479 --> 01:14:34,000
Speaker 2: have is public land to hunt, and they're still trying

1437
01:14:34,000 --> 01:14:35,280
Speaker 2: to figure out how do you kill a dough how

1438
01:14:35,280 --> 01:14:37,920
Speaker 2: do you kill a young buck? And we're talking this

1439
01:14:38,000 --> 01:14:40,160
Speaker 2: whole time, which we always end up doing about how

1440
01:14:40,160 --> 01:14:43,200
Speaker 2: to kill the big giant deer. So so imagine you're

1441
01:14:43,240 --> 01:14:45,680
Speaker 2: that person. You are really just trying to get some

1442
01:14:45,720 --> 01:14:48,639
Speaker 2: meat for the frazer. You're in a meat crisis, you're

1443
01:14:48,680 --> 01:14:51,599
Speaker 2: relatively new to hunting, and you've got a day job,

1444
01:14:52,000 --> 01:14:53,720
Speaker 2: so you do not have time to get out here

1445
01:14:53,720 --> 01:14:55,240
Speaker 2: for long spells. You're not going to take a week

1446
01:14:55,280 --> 01:14:59,040
Speaker 2: of vacation. You've got a weekend, you've got a Sunday morning,

1447
01:14:59,080 --> 01:15:01,479
Speaker 2: you've got a few hours, and you want to try

1448
01:15:01,479 --> 01:15:05,560
Speaker 2: to kill a deer, feed the kids, et cetera. Describe

1449
01:15:05,560 --> 01:15:07,760
Speaker 2: to me how would you approach this If let's say

1450
01:15:07,760 --> 01:15:10,040
Speaker 2: you've got one evening or one morning on a weekend

1451
01:15:10,240 --> 01:15:12,040
Speaker 2: and you just need to get a deer killed on

1452
01:15:12,120 --> 01:15:16,800
Speaker 2: some piece of public land, how would you approach that hunt.

1453
01:15:18,680 --> 01:15:22,320
Speaker 3: I would spend a day scouting and just looking for

1454
01:15:23,160 --> 01:15:28,400
Speaker 3: kill holes quote unquote. So say, for example, you got

1455
01:15:28,560 --> 01:15:30,800
Speaker 3: you scout and you're four hundred yards from the parking lot,

1456
01:15:30,880 --> 01:15:32,680
Speaker 3: and there's a fence that runs up through there, and

1457
01:15:32,720 --> 01:15:35,040
Speaker 3: there's an open gate in that fence, and there's two

1458
01:15:35,120 --> 01:15:37,519
Speaker 3: deer trails that are coming through it a bunch of

1459
01:15:37,600 --> 01:15:40,759
Speaker 3: tracks on it. You can tell that deer are passing

1460
01:15:40,760 --> 01:15:43,800
Speaker 3: through that spot. If it's legal, you might run a

1461
01:15:43,800 --> 01:15:46,800
Speaker 3: trail camera there and just see what shows up.

1462
01:15:46,880 --> 01:15:47,519
Speaker 2: If deer are.

1463
01:15:47,400 --> 01:15:50,639
Speaker 3: Passing through there during the day, more so in the evening,

1464
01:15:50,680 --> 01:15:52,240
Speaker 3: more so in the morning, then you may that may

1465
01:15:52,280 --> 01:15:54,000
Speaker 3: give you a better idea of when to hunting on

1466
01:15:54,040 --> 01:15:56,599
Speaker 3: your weekend, whether it's a morning or an evening hunt.

1467
01:15:56,760 --> 01:15:59,840
Speaker 3: But I would look for situations like that, at least

1468
01:16:00,080 --> 01:16:04,280
Speaker 3: handful of them in my scouting day. And while you're scouting,

1469
01:16:04,320 --> 01:16:08,360
Speaker 3: I'd pick a tree over that spot, over those trails

1470
01:16:08,920 --> 01:16:11,880
Speaker 3: where you can set up with a given wind, so

1471
01:16:12,280 --> 01:16:15,679
Speaker 3: there's a tree south of that open gate north wind

1472
01:16:15,760 --> 01:16:18,240
Speaker 3: is blowing away from those trails, I can sit right here,

1473
01:16:18,280 --> 01:16:20,479
Speaker 3: and if a deer walks those trails through that open gate,

1474
01:16:20,479 --> 01:16:23,960
Speaker 3: I'm gonna get an eighteen yard broadside shot and that

1475
01:16:24,120 --> 01:16:27,040
Speaker 3: I would mark that spot, and I'd try to find

1476
01:16:27,120 --> 01:16:30,000
Speaker 3: half a dozen more of those. Not just the open

1477
01:16:30,040 --> 01:16:32,240
Speaker 3: gate scenario. I mean it could be a potential feed

1478
01:16:32,280 --> 01:16:34,920
Speaker 3: tree too, like we were talking about before, during the

1479
01:16:34,960 --> 01:16:37,320
Speaker 3: early part of the season. You know, it could be

1480
01:16:37,360 --> 01:16:40,920
Speaker 3: the inside corner of a ag field where deer are

1481
01:16:40,920 --> 01:16:43,920
Speaker 3: funnel down and are coming out there where you know,

1482
01:16:43,960 --> 01:16:47,080
Speaker 3: if you're looking at the soybean field, for example, maybe

1483
01:16:47,080 --> 01:16:49,960
Speaker 3: that's the side that gets the most shade and it's

1484
01:16:50,040 --> 01:16:52,880
Speaker 3: it's heavily browsed in that corner. Find you a good

1485
01:16:52,960 --> 01:16:55,479
Speaker 3: tree where you can shoot the trails coming into that corner.

1486
01:16:56,120 --> 01:16:58,280
Speaker 3: But don't find a good tree that's sixty yards from

1487
01:16:58,280 --> 01:17:00,879
Speaker 3: those trails. Find a tree that's twenty yards or fifteen

1488
01:17:00,960 --> 01:17:03,040
Speaker 3: yards from those trails where you can blow a wind

1489
01:17:03,080 --> 01:17:06,320
Speaker 3: from the trails to you, and I try to find

1490
01:17:06,360 --> 01:17:08,280
Speaker 3: on your scouting day, I try to find as many

1491
01:17:08,280 --> 01:17:12,479
Speaker 3: of those locations as you can mark those trees, and

1492
01:17:12,520 --> 01:17:16,240
Speaker 3: then all the guesswork is taken out of it. When

1493
01:17:16,240 --> 01:17:17,800
Speaker 3: you go in there to try to kill your deer,

1494
01:17:18,800 --> 01:17:23,160
Speaker 3: say for especially for a morning hunt, you know exactly

1495
01:17:23,200 --> 01:17:27,559
Speaker 3: which tree that you're going to, under which wind condition,

1496
01:17:28,400 --> 01:17:31,280
Speaker 3: and even if the deer, most of the deer aren't

1497
01:17:31,280 --> 01:17:34,080
Speaker 3: even there. You're trying to kill a deer. So it's

1498
01:17:34,120 --> 01:17:36,519
Speaker 3: better to have one deer at fifteen yards than to

1499
01:17:36,520 --> 01:17:40,400
Speaker 3: see fifteen at one hundred and fifty. So if one

1500
01:17:40,439 --> 01:17:42,920
Speaker 3: deer comes through that spot and onto your trail, that's

1501
01:17:42,960 --> 01:17:45,360
Speaker 3: your opportunity. I would rather have that as far as

1502
01:17:45,479 --> 01:17:48,519
Speaker 3: killing deer. That's the way my brain always thinks with

1503
01:17:48,560 --> 01:17:50,719
Speaker 3: a bow in my hand, especially, it's.

1504
01:17:50,560 --> 01:17:54,400
Speaker 2: Like where's the kill hole? Yeah? And are you less

1505
01:17:54,439 --> 01:17:57,719
Speaker 2: worried about other cars in the parking lot, less worried

1506
01:17:57,720 --> 01:18:00,439
Speaker 2: about getting far away from the parking lot that kind

1507
01:18:00,439 --> 01:18:05,600
Speaker 2: of stuff in this scenario. Uh, kind of, But it

1508
01:18:05,720 --> 01:18:11,240
Speaker 2: still is a consideration, definitely. You know, we kill a

1509
01:18:11,280 --> 01:18:13,080
Speaker 2: lot of dose though they are real close to the

1510
01:18:13,080 --> 01:18:18,479
Speaker 2: parking lots, that are not far off at all, and

1511
01:18:18,520 --> 01:18:21,519
Speaker 2: they're nervous because they see hunters all the time. But

1512
01:18:21,600 --> 01:18:23,439
Speaker 2: like I was just mentioned a while ago. Dose are

1513
01:18:23,479 --> 01:18:27,640
Speaker 2: paranoid because they they stay in those situations and they

1514
01:18:27,720 --> 01:18:30,479
Speaker 2: got to look after fawns and things like that. So

1515
01:18:30,880 --> 01:18:33,040
Speaker 2: a doe will stay there and she'll deal with all

1516
01:18:33,120 --> 01:18:36,120
Speaker 2: of the chaos all year, where a buck isn't gonna

1517
01:18:36,160 --> 01:18:38,240
Speaker 2: A big buck isn't going to do that until it

1518
01:18:38,280 --> 01:18:40,800
Speaker 2: gets to be the rut when he throws caution to

1519
01:18:40,840 --> 01:18:45,880
Speaker 2: the wind. But yeah, we we don't. If we're trying

1520
01:18:45,880 --> 01:18:47,280
Speaker 2: to kill a deer. A lot of times we are

1521
01:18:47,320 --> 01:18:49,599
Speaker 2: really close to the truck, whether there's other vehicles there

1522
01:18:49,680 --> 01:18:53,360
Speaker 2: or not. All we got to do is get a

1523
01:18:53,400 --> 01:18:55,919
Speaker 2: deer on the X, on that on that trail crossing,

1524
01:18:55,960 --> 01:18:58,360
Speaker 2: on that scrape, on that feed tree, whatever it is

1525
01:18:58,400 --> 01:19:00,240
Speaker 2: that we're set up over we're looking for, or a

1526
01:19:00,320 --> 01:19:03,240
Speaker 2: quality set up really close to that where the deer

1527
01:19:03,320 --> 01:19:06,000
Speaker 2: can get to that spot without detecting us. We can

1528
01:19:06,000 --> 01:19:09,120
Speaker 2: get drawn and shoot them. But it's got to be close,

1529
01:19:09,280 --> 01:19:11,479
Speaker 2: especially if you're a new hunter. That is a big

1530
01:19:11,520 --> 01:19:18,120
Speaker 2: deal being close. So true, so true. All right, let's

1531
01:19:18,160 --> 01:19:21,160
Speaker 2: do really quick rapid fire that you've got like one

1532
01:19:21,200 --> 01:19:23,519
Speaker 2: word answers here as I'm going to give you, Aaron,

1533
01:19:24,439 --> 01:19:27,400
Speaker 2: your first thought on this there's five or six of them,

1534
01:19:27,600 --> 01:19:31,240
Speaker 2: and then one. I'll let you expand on, but just

1535
01:19:31,280 --> 01:19:33,240
Speaker 2: give me what your quick thoughts are on these. Number one,

1536
01:19:33,439 --> 01:19:35,920
Speaker 2: would you personally take a fifty yard shot at a

1537
01:19:35,960 --> 01:19:40,479
Speaker 2: white tail with your bow? Yes? Or no? No? If

1538
01:19:40,520 --> 01:19:43,080
Speaker 2: you could only have one of these tools for the

1539
01:19:43,120 --> 01:19:46,200
Speaker 2: rest of your hunting days, you got to choose radley,

1540
01:19:46,200 --> 01:19:51,440
Speaker 2: Antler's or drunk tube which you'd taken, grunt tube expandable

1541
01:19:51,520 --> 01:19:56,479
Speaker 2: or fixed? Labora heads fixed? Should you stop a moving

1542
01:19:56,520 --> 01:20:05,679
Speaker 2: buck with a sound before shooting with a bow? Maybe? Yeah, exactly?

1543
01:20:06,240 --> 01:20:10,439
Speaker 2: The do is give a question there? If you could

1544
01:20:10,479 --> 01:20:15,360
Speaker 2: only scout one season of the year, you could pick

1545
01:20:15,400 --> 01:20:19,800
Speaker 2: winter scouting, summer scouting, or in season scouting. Which would

1546
01:20:19,840 --> 01:20:25,200
Speaker 2: you pick in season? If you had to get a

1547
01:20:25,240 --> 01:20:28,559
Speaker 2: buck killed in one single day, a buck has to

1548
01:20:28,640 --> 01:20:31,800
Speaker 2: die and you cannot do it. You have to pick

1549
01:20:31,880 --> 01:20:34,400
Speaker 2: one of your hunting public team members and you have

1550
01:20:34,439 --> 01:20:36,000
Speaker 2: to draft just one of them. Who would be your

1551
01:20:36,080 --> 01:20:38,240
Speaker 2: draft pick to get a buck? Not saying big buck,

1552
01:20:38,360 --> 01:20:41,599
Speaker 2: not saying any specific but just bucks gott die. Who

1553
01:20:41,640 --> 01:20:46,720
Speaker 2: are you gonna pick? Greg? All? Right, now, this one,

1554
01:20:46,760 --> 01:20:48,679
Speaker 2: I'll let you expand on a little bit. Let's say

1555
01:20:48,720 --> 01:20:53,960
Speaker 2: that I rule the world, I control all hunting regulations, etc.

1556
01:20:54,680 --> 01:20:57,120
Speaker 2: And I am going to take your hunting license away

1557
01:20:57,280 --> 01:21:01,960
Speaker 2: in every state across the United States. Unless you kill

1558
01:21:02,200 --> 01:21:05,840
Speaker 2: a four year old buck or bigger. You have one

1559
01:21:05,920 --> 01:21:08,040
Speaker 2: day to do it, and you are the hunter. You

1560
01:21:08,120 --> 01:21:09,799
Speaker 2: have to kill a four year old buck or older.

1561
01:21:10,600 --> 01:21:13,320
Speaker 2: You have one date. That's I'm gonna let you pick

1562
01:21:13,360 --> 01:21:16,280
Speaker 2: a calendar date on the a date on the calendar,

1563
01:21:16,760 --> 01:21:19,720
Speaker 2: and then I will let you describe the location. And

1564
01:21:19,760 --> 01:21:21,519
Speaker 2: if you don't get a four year old buck or

1565
01:21:21,560 --> 01:21:24,040
Speaker 2: older killed on this one single day, you can't hunt

1566
01:21:24,040 --> 01:21:27,160
Speaker 2: for the rest of your life. So describe to me

1567
01:21:28,000 --> 01:21:31,120
Speaker 2: the day you're going to pick, and what this picture perfect,

1568
01:21:31,160 --> 01:21:34,120
Speaker 2: amazing setup would be for this very high stakes hunt.

1569
01:21:38,160 --> 01:21:42,080
Speaker 3: Betting area, scrape win coming out of the betting area,

1570
01:21:42,320 --> 01:21:48,400
Speaker 3: consistent win. So ideally a flat scenario, flat topography with

1571
01:21:48,520 --> 01:21:50,479
Speaker 3: a solid consistent win.

1572
01:21:51,000 --> 01:21:55,880
Speaker 2: October thirty first, All right, October thirty first. You're downwind

1573
01:21:55,880 --> 01:21:58,000
Speaker 2: of the betting, so the scrapes in between you and

1574
01:21:58,000 --> 01:22:00,479
Speaker 2: the bedding. It's right on the edge of the betting.

1575
01:22:01,280 --> 01:22:03,080
Speaker 2: It's right on the edge of the betting. The wind

1576
01:22:03,160 --> 01:22:03,559
Speaker 2: is coming.

1577
01:22:03,720 --> 01:22:07,439
Speaker 3: Ideally, the betting is there, the scrape is next to it,

1578
01:22:07,520 --> 01:22:09,439
Speaker 3: and then I'm down wind to the scrape and the

1579
01:22:09,479 --> 01:22:10,160
Speaker 3: betting both.

1580
01:22:11,320 --> 01:22:15,160
Speaker 2: What's this betting look like? What's your best possible betting scenario?

1581
01:22:16,640 --> 01:22:21,880
Speaker 3: Waste to chest high marsh grass cover with what's some

1582
01:22:22,360 --> 01:22:26,000
Speaker 3: with some mixture of trees out in it. Just nasty

1583
01:22:26,320 --> 01:22:28,320
Speaker 3: stuff that if a buck stands up in it, you

1584
01:22:28,360 --> 01:22:30,760
Speaker 3: can see his rack moving across it, but that's about it.

1585
01:22:31,760 --> 01:22:32,679
Speaker 3: Can't see much else.

1586
01:22:33,439 --> 01:22:34,320
Speaker 2: What's your tree like?

1587
01:22:37,320 --> 01:22:40,800
Speaker 3: Lots of branches up around stand heights, not too high,

1588
01:22:40,920 --> 01:22:44,920
Speaker 3: up twelve to fifteen feet ideally for a good flat

1589
01:22:44,960 --> 01:22:48,479
Speaker 3: shot into the scrape fifteen yards away, but plenty of

1590
01:22:48,680 --> 01:22:50,360
Speaker 3: horizontal branches.

1591
01:22:51,479 --> 01:22:54,800
Speaker 2: To aid in cover. And what stadium in.

1592
01:23:00,080 --> 01:23:03,519
Speaker 3: She if it's October thirty first, I'm probably gonna have

1593
01:23:03,600 --> 01:23:05,520
Speaker 3: to be in Wisconsin, Iowa.

1594
01:23:05,280 --> 01:23:11,640
Speaker 2: Missouri, Illinois, Indiana, Ohio. Yeah, that was fine. Can't go

1595
01:23:11,720 --> 01:23:14,920
Speaker 2: wrong with any one of those kansas. Yeah all right, man,

1596
01:23:15,080 --> 01:23:17,840
Speaker 2: you I believe in you. I'm pretty sure you'd get

1597
01:23:17,880 --> 01:23:19,639
Speaker 2: your buck killed in that scenario, and you can keep

1598
01:23:19,640 --> 01:23:20,160
Speaker 2: it on high.

1599
01:23:21,280 --> 01:23:25,479
Speaker 3: I would not want to be in that situation. She

1600
01:23:25,520 --> 01:23:28,320
Speaker 3: gave me twenty years, you gave me twenty chances. I

1601
01:23:28,360 --> 01:23:30,200
Speaker 3: would be much more compy.

1602
01:23:30,240 --> 01:23:36,080
Speaker 2: Yeah, very true, so real quick. Then anything folks should

1603
01:23:36,080 --> 01:23:38,240
Speaker 2: look out for from the hunting public, anything new or

1604
01:23:38,320 --> 01:23:40,080
Speaker 2: anything that has come out that you want us to

1605
01:23:40,160 --> 01:23:42,520
Speaker 2: check out right now or look forward to this season.

1606
01:23:43,560 --> 01:23:45,519
Speaker 3: Not in particular, working on a bunch of elk cutting

1607
01:23:45,520 --> 01:23:48,280
Speaker 3: stuff right now from last year that we're pretty excited about.

1608
01:23:48,360 --> 01:23:52,640
Speaker 3: We've got several elk tags in September that we're going

1609
01:23:52,720 --> 01:23:54,800
Speaker 3: to be going on, so that should be a lot

1610
01:23:54,800 --> 01:23:57,600
Speaker 3: of fun. And then we've done a fair bit of

1611
01:23:57,640 --> 01:24:00,840
Speaker 3: scouting leading into this season for deer, which has been

1612
01:24:01,200 --> 01:24:03,360
Speaker 3: hard to do for the last couple of years. So

1613
01:24:03,400 --> 01:24:06,920
Speaker 3: I feel really good about a few of the scenarios

1614
01:24:06,960 --> 01:24:10,080
Speaker 3: that we have this fall. We're not Sometimes we overextend

1615
01:24:10,080 --> 01:24:12,559
Speaker 3: ourselves and plan too many trips and try to get

1616
01:24:12,560 --> 01:24:16,639
Speaker 3: to too many places, and then we don't adequately scout

1617
01:24:17,040 --> 01:24:18,880
Speaker 3: the ones that we do have to hunt. But I

1618
01:24:18,920 --> 01:24:21,880
Speaker 3: don't feel like we're in that situation as badly this

1619
01:24:22,000 --> 01:24:24,679
Speaker 3: year as in the past. We're more focused this year,

1620
01:24:24,760 --> 01:24:28,720
Speaker 3: so hopefully that will yield better results. I guess we'll

1621
01:24:28,720 --> 01:24:30,080
Speaker 3: find out.

1622
01:24:29,760 --> 01:24:33,080
Speaker 2: What's what's a slam dunk for you this year? Like

1623
01:24:33,120 --> 01:24:35,040
Speaker 2: if what would be the thing that would make this

1624
01:24:35,120 --> 01:24:36,400
Speaker 2: year an amazing success for you.

1625
01:24:36,439 --> 01:24:42,400
Speaker 3: Personal jinks me, Mark, I can't. I can't say it

1626
01:24:42,520 --> 01:24:45,760
Speaker 3: or it will all go wrong, all right there, it's like, Man,

1627
01:24:45,960 --> 01:24:52,760
Speaker 3: I don't, I don't know. I don't, I don't know.

1628
01:24:52,920 --> 01:24:58,160
Speaker 3: I like gun hunting late in the year, like hunting

1629
01:24:58,160 --> 01:25:05,320
Speaker 3: with a muzzloader. After thanks, that is that's that's quality

1630
01:25:05,400 --> 01:25:07,800
Speaker 3: time out there. People are fed up with deer hunting

1631
01:25:07,840 --> 01:25:09,680
Speaker 3: by that point. There's not near as many of them

1632
01:25:09,680 --> 01:25:13,600
Speaker 3: in the woods. It's cold, it's nasty. You got a

1633
01:25:13,640 --> 01:25:15,479
Speaker 3: muzzle udder in your hands, so you can reach out

1634
01:25:15,520 --> 01:25:17,799
Speaker 3: there a little bit further. You can make things happen

1635
01:25:18,000 --> 01:25:22,160
Speaker 3: quicker during that time of year. So we'll see. That's

1636
01:25:22,200 --> 01:25:24,880
Speaker 3: been It's been good to us in the past. Let's

1637
01:25:24,880 --> 01:25:25,240
Speaker 3: say that.

1638
01:25:26,000 --> 01:25:28,160
Speaker 2: All right. I'm gonna counting on a muzzle utter buck

1639
01:25:28,240 --> 01:25:30,840
Speaker 2: for you here late season. We'll be watching for it,

1640
01:25:31,640 --> 01:25:34,640
Speaker 2: all right, buddy, I appreciate the time. Thanks for doing this.

1641
01:25:34,880 --> 01:25:37,000
Speaker 2: I man, I know you guys have a great season.

1642
01:25:37,040 --> 01:25:38,800
Speaker 2: I'll be pulling for it in can't wait to watch.

1643
01:25:39,760 --> 01:25:42,240
Speaker 2: Thanks Mark, you too, all right, and that's a wrap.

1644
01:25:42,439 --> 01:25:47,879
Speaker 2: Thank you for tuning in until next week. Stay wired

1645
01:25:48,560 --> 01:25:49,000
Speaker 2: to hunt.