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Speaker 1: Novel.

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Speaker 2: This show contains adult material and swearing. You have been warned.

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Speaker 1: I swear to God.

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Speaker 3: If this man has fucked my gay therapist when I'm

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Speaker 3: in weak out begging to get my dicks up by him,

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Speaker 3: I'm going to screaming me I'm a savage.

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Speaker 2: Are you bored of modern dating? Meeting the same people

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Speaker 2: from the same apps in the same bar You've only

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Speaker 2: chosen because it's close to your house and you can

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Speaker 2: make your usual quick getaway. It's time to change the

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Speaker 2: narrative on how we find love. It's time to start

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Speaker 2: looking for love in all the wrong places. I'm going

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Speaker 2: on a wild dating adventure, only picking people who are

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Speaker 2: the total opposite of my type. And after twenty eight

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Speaker 2: of these dates in two months, will I find that

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Speaker 2: special someone? Or Well, this experiment proved that I should

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Speaker 2: just give up on dating all together. It's time to

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Speaker 2: find out. I'm Grace Campbell and this is twenty eight

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Speaker 2: dates later. Dan, Yeah, how are you?

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Speaker 1: Yeah? I'm good. Last night I had the man thing

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Speaker 1: that happened to me cool.

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Speaker 3: It was like eleven thirty at night, and I come

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Speaker 3: back from the theater because I'm cultured, and the doorbell

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Speaker 3: rang and I opened the door and there was this

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Speaker 3: guy and he was like drawing a chat for a

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Speaker 3: bit and I was like, sorry, what's going on?

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Speaker 1: And like he had his foot in the door. I

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Speaker 3: And he was liked and it was actually quite bad,

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Speaker 3: and he was like, yeah, you're real cuteh we chat

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Speaker 3: and I was like, baby, I don't know you nah,

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Speaker 3: and he was like come on, what's wrong this chat?

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Speaker 3: And then he was like look at this and showed

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Speaker 3: me a video of his girlfriend's sucking his dick. I

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Speaker 3: think he thought that I lived in like a gay brothel,

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Speaker 3: like I know my house looks a bit like a

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Speaker 3: gay brothel.

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Speaker 1: But he was like he was like do you work here?

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Speaker 1: And I was like nah, I live here.

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Speaker 3: And then like to get him to go away, I

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Speaker 3: had to be like, look, my partner's upstairs, which isld

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Speaker 3: face line we wish and there he was like now,

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Speaker 3: but like take my number, like texting me and asking

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Speaker 3: him that text me. But it was like this like

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Speaker 3: but gay wanting sex so bad.

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Speaker 1: And I was just a bit like what.

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Speaker 2: That's really terrified?

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Speaker 1: Okay, yeah, but he was a big guy as well.

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Speaker 3: I was a bit like and then and then I've

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Speaker 1: I was like, is there every a situation where like

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Speaker 1: I would have.

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Speaker 3: Been like, yeah, fuck it, that's a porn moment. Actually

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Speaker 3: now it was not cute.

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Speaker 2: I don't think it sounds like that kind of porn moment. No,

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Speaker 2: I know what you mean, because once an edf man

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Speaker 2: came to my house. That's an energy person to anyone

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Speaker 2: that's not in the UK. But he was installing my

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Speaker 2: energy meter and he was so pang and then we

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Speaker 2: were like really flirting because he went and stood over

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Speaker 2: and was like, your kitchen count is like so low.

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Speaker 2: And then I went over and he was like why

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Speaker 2: and that's why it feels really low.

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Speaker 1: Wow.

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Speaker 2: And then I really thought we were going to fark

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Speaker 2: and then he lat no, but we do want to

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Speaker 2: find that. That would have been a great That was like,

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Speaker 2: I really would thought you were gonna have sex.

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Speaker 3: Well, my friend he had someone come around to fix

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Speaker 3: his washing machine. They did end up having sex, but

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Speaker 3: it meant that the guy didn't have time to fix.

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Speaker 1: His washing machine.

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Speaker 3: So then he his washing machine was broken for like months,

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Speaker 3: had to go to the launderer, which they don't show

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Speaker 3: you in porn.

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Speaker 2: The admin.

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Speaker 1: So hot, it'd be so hot.

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Speaker 2: So I would love something like that to happen to

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Speaker 1: Yeah, same, but not what happened to me the other day.

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Speaker 2: But something No, not like that, but more like the

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Speaker 2: DF man.

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Speaker 1: How is your day?

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Speaker 2: I went on a date with a guy who is

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Speaker 2: a self professed nerd, and he calls himself a nerd, right,

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Speaker 2: that's what that means. Yeah, I was just explaining because

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Speaker 2: some people, you know, aren't miss book like Dan.

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Speaker 3: As well read for those who don't understand what self

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Speaker 3: professed muse, it's a Latin.

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Speaker 1: For calls himself call himself.

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Speaker 2: Exactly, So basically he callses off a nerd, which is

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Speaker 2: very different to my type I have always gone out of,

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Speaker 2: like really laddie boys.

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Speaker 1: Well yeah, mainly.

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Speaker 2: I will just say that for these of this bit, yeah,

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Speaker 2: we'll not actual footballers, but men who play fither side

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Speaker 1: I think they always do like their little they're perfect.

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Speaker 3: Team which fantasy football, Fantasy league football.

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Speaker 1: Yes, so sad.

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Speaker 2: So that's always been like my kind of guy. So

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Speaker 2: he is a nerd, and I didn't really know what

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Speaker 2: to expect, but I found him really easy to talk to,

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Speaker 2: maybe because stuck inside me is a nerd.

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Speaker 1: Well, you need to stop eating nerds.

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Speaker 3: It wouldn't be as many nerds inside judge. A nerd

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Speaker 3: just means that you have a passion, right.

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Speaker 2: I guess like what he's doing by being clear about

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Speaker 2: that is he's preparing you that he's not a cool guy.

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Speaker 3: But like that's nice because sometimes like being cool is

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Speaker 2: I agree, and I actually like even though it was

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Speaker 2: really popular at school. But that's the last time I

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Speaker 1: But you've actually ever mentioned that every single episode.

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Speaker 2: I actually hate people who are desperate to people I

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Speaker 2: don't actually connect with them. I've been invited to so

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Speaker 2: many like fashion parties, and when I'm there, which I

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Speaker 2: very rarely go to, range too exactly exactly with like

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Speaker 2: my faded period of blood like on my jeans, I know,

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Speaker 2: I feel so uncomfortable there and I do feel more

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Speaker 2: comfortable with people like this guy. Absolutely, I can't go

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Speaker 3: Yeah, and also this is not to say that all

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Speaker 3: nerds dress badly, because also, what's dressing badly?

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Speaker 2: No, there's dressing badly dressing.

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Speaker 3: But I don't mind seeing someone in the outfit that's

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Speaker 2: If it's a sort of like distinctive look, I wouldn't

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Speaker 2: try and change that. But I'm saying fucking non branded trainers,

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Speaker 2: ill fitting jeans, a fucking T shirt with the Rolling

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Speaker 2: Stones logo on it.

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Speaker 3: You're literally just describing what I'm wearing right now, joking, joking.

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Speaker 1: Wouldn't be seen dead.

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Speaker 2: No, but there was a time where you wore that

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Speaker 2: exact outfit.

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Speaker 3: No, but my mum used to buy me five pound

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Speaker 2: Okay, that's fine, I'm not dating twenty three year old Dan.

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Speaker 1: Yeah yeah, yeah, yah yeah.

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Speaker 2: Anyways, I'm just saying I would date a nerd, but

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Speaker 2: I would have to make sure that they're, you know,

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Speaker 3: I agree, Like, I think dating a nerd is so

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Speaker 3: much better than dating someone who thinks they're cool.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, do you think you're me than being like but

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Speaker 2: they would have to be cool.

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Speaker 3: Says you, who's actually talked about being cool at school

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Speaker 3: every single episode.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, and am saying I could day a nerve. I'd

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Speaker 1: have to make them look cool.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, you said.

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Speaker 4: You're a massive nerd, so traditionally, Like, well, that's so traditional.

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Speaker 4: Video games, board games and stuff like that, TV and stuff.

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Speaker 4: You know, it just sounds it kind of just sounds

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Speaker 4: very generic. It sort of is you know, that's sort

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Speaker 4: of generic stuff. Oh now I'm kind of like self conscious.

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Speaker 2: Self conscious. I mean all I do is watching me.

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Speaker 1: Okay, that's the thing. When COVID came, I quite liked it.

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Speaker 4: It don't sound quite bad where because I'm like, okay,

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Speaker 4: I you have to say inside. But it's like I

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Speaker 4: was quite happy, just like I had my computer, had TV.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, everything was great. I mean so sweet, so sweet

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Speaker 1: and so pure. Yeah.

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Speaker 2: I loved COVID, like because I don't think anybody loved

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Speaker 2: that part of people dying. But I get that that

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Speaker 2: I watched all of our Housewives of Beverly Hills.

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Speaker 1: He sounds a bit like an old RSC actor. Like

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Speaker 1: he's got quite like a good voice. It's quite nice.

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Speaker 3: It was from I do want to try out dungeons

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Speaker 3: and Dragons.

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Speaker 2: No, dungeons and Dragons is a huge fucking thing. Did

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Speaker 2: he mention that?

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Speaker 1: No, but I want to like a friend of mine

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Speaker 1: the other day was like, oh.

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Speaker 2: I played a movie coming out movie.

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Speaker 3: No, but like I kind of all like laughing. I

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Speaker 2: Have you ever done an escape room?

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Speaker 3: I remember doing an skate room with my family for

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Speaker 3: like someone's birthday, and I just pretended that I was

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Speaker 3: in one of the sore films. So the whole time,

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Speaker 3: like I wouldn't help with any clues. I was just

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Speaker 3: like watching us, be like.

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Speaker 1: Let us out, please stop it.

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Speaker 3: And then like I would pretend that I was being

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Speaker 3: stuck in something and I'd be like, it's this like.

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Speaker 1: I was watching.

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Speaker 2: I've never done a skat ingom with my family, but

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Speaker 2: we just call it home.

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Speaker 4: I barely have time for me and the cat. I

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Speaker 4: don't have time for which is why like I don't

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Speaker 4: like I do dates, but I just don't do too

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Speaker 4: many because I'm.

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Speaker 1: Just like, I don't have time for people.

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Speaker 4: It doesn't sound terrible, but I've told people that if

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Speaker 4: I didn't have my cat Sasha, I would be a

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Speaker 4: way worse place.

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Speaker 1: I don't know, probably true.

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Speaker 2: Exactly Are you are you an introvert?

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Speaker 4: Would you say no, I'm a bit introverted for me.

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Speaker 4: I'm just like because with the app field, I've got

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Speaker 4: into it mainly for like the poly aspect. Okay, sweet,

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Speaker 4: if I meet someone they've got someone that it's like, okay.

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Speaker 2: Is that a dream scenario for you?

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Speaker 1: Just because like.

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Speaker 4: They still have people that they can be intimate and

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Speaker 4: have a relationship with them, will have to take one

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Speaker 4: hundred percent.

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Speaker 1: Of my time. Okay, I'm literally crying. That relationship he

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Speaker 1: has with his cat is honestly, he brought.

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Speaker 2: His cat on the day no no, no, I had

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Speaker 2: Eddie though, but of course for Christmas, so he did

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Speaker 2: Christmas him and his cat, and he loved it, and

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Speaker 2: he made him a Christmas dinner and made the cat

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Speaker 2: Okay, let's let's keep it clean, please, getting of it.

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Speaker 1: I will not steal. This will not happen again. I

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Speaker 2: In the horse the ads to get bagging. You can.

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Speaker 1: I just say right now that I do not fuck animals.

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Speaker 2: But he said that thing about being interested in poly people.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, but sometimes also like the freakiest people are the

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Speaker 2: So how was the daily he went on with the therapist.

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Speaker 1: It's okay.

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Speaker 4: The whole date was making sure we were back to

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Speaker 4: I think it's one of the first things we said.

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Speaker 3: I swear to God, if this man has fucked my

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Speaker 2: Upset, especially on a podcast where all you've done is

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Speaker 1: All you've done is say how cool you were at school.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I'm not siding on a pedestal headan and soundings

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I know, I'm just like you.

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Speaker 2: I'm just like you.

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Speaker 3: Wait, I can't keep saying I want to fuck my therapist.

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Speaker 3: I actually don't. It's just it's that same. It's like

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Speaker 2: That's fine, we hear you loud and clear, dance my

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Speaker 3: The problem is you sound just like my therapist right now.

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Speaker 3: That's what he says to me in my sessions.

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Speaker 2: Basically for the past half of the day. I felt

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Speaker 2: that's why I feel so calm about you, because you

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean he sounds a little bit like a

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Speaker 4: To be honest, a lot of my life I thought

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Speaker 1: And yeah, it was great.

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Speaker 4: That was the That was a fun time. You just

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Speaker 4: bought me everything. Really, I think I was four. I'm like, yeah,

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Speaker 4: me that, you know.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, fun for a time, Yeah, exactly.

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Speaker 3: I love the journey of South do. I mean, this

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Speaker 2: Much about you, and then you wouldn't do some of

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Speaker 3: Yeah, like at school, if I could have dated a

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Speaker 2: Yeah, especially in your twenties for them to just pay

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Speaker 3: I'm just scared that now I'm too old to like

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Speaker 2: But you're not a daddy grow up. You're not even thirty.

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Speaker 1: You're not a daddy grow up, So you want me

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Speaker 2: I'm just saying, and I mean this energetically.

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Speaker 1: It's energetic, No, because you are very much.

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Speaker 3: No, I know, but I just feel like sometimes it's

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Speaker 2: I think that's a really self fulfilling prophecy that isn't true,

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Speaker 3: Okay, this is the nicest conversation we've ever heard that,

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Speaker 3: but you're saying that.

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Speaker 2: I'm shouting, but I'm saying that because you're duel, that

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Speaker 3: Like that's I think sometimes it's like the thing of

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Speaker 3: I think sometimes it's like older bear, small little twink.

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Speaker 2: No, but I think that's something that you have decided,

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Speaker 2: and I don't believe that is true.

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Speaker 3: Okay, Wow, we're getting having a breakthrough today.

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Speaker 2: Okay, can everybody leave the rough much? Because I think

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Speaker 2: I'm about to really.

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Speaker 1: Close the door? Thanks? And should I take off my

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Speaker 4: I don't want to seem like the creepy male, and

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Speaker 1: Nice guys. I don't want to seem like that.

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Speaker 4: I don't want to be creepy.

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Speaker 2: I don't think you have that by I really wouldn't.

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Speaker 2: I don't. I think you've got like a good energy. Also,

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Speaker 4: Yeah, but I think if I make people and realize

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Speaker 1: Exactly exactly.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, It's mad how much instantly like more like comfortable

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Speaker 4: Like yeah, this is it's my shirt work. I ship

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Speaker 2: But yeah, well, I mean I wouldn't worry about that.

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Speaker 3: The amount of times I'm on like a pat tube

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Speaker 1: Make it clear to her that day. Yeah, I'd be like,

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Speaker 1: oh I love that jacket.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, Like I'm walking home at night and it's dark

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Speaker 2: It's crazy how much they do you feel there? Of course,

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Speaker 2: It is interesting how I just enjoyed this day because

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Speaker 3: Like I sometimes I go for this thing where like

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Speaker 3: I'll be like, do I look straight? And every single

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Speaker 1: What are you on about? No?

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Speaker 3: But you know sometimes what happens in gay bars. There

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Speaker 2: That again, like is a fucking crazy thing. But it's

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Speaker 3: It's so mad to think that like that foundation would

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Speaker 3: to be like, oh my god, that's so funny, let's

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Speaker 3: bang anywhere. Nah, because you've been lying the entire time.

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Speaker 2: Exactly and you're creepy walking red flag.

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Speaker 3: I mean, yeah, to be fair, I'm only gay for

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Speaker 3: work because it pays more. Okay, obviously I'm not sure,

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Speaker 3: Like when you're in the closet, you reges, and then

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Speaker 3: or maybe like.

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Speaker 1: Maybe you want to you know, yeah, no, but maybe

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Speaker 1: like it's not so this or that there is fluidity

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Speaker 2: That's what he was saying that a lot of his

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Speaker 2: explored other things more recently. And I think you know, this.

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Speaker 1: Was like being on a podcast to date with a woman.

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Speaker 3: So when you met him, did you think that he

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Speaker 3: was going to be as like sexual explorative as he was?

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Speaker 1: No?

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Speaker 2: I mean it really did surprise me, and I guess

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Speaker 2: that's kind of what he's saying, of like putting people

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Speaker 2: started talking about his like sex life, love life, I

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Speaker 3: Would you date someone else who is a self profess nerd?

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Speaker 3: Everyone forgot what that definition is that means call themself

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Speaker 3: a nud?

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Speaker 2: Yes, I actually forgot what self professment? So thank you

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Speaker 2: so much for doing that. I think so. I think obviously,

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Speaker 2: as I've said, someone who calls himself a nerd, it

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Speaker 2: just means that maybe there are things that they're like

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Speaker 2: obsessed with which I can relate to. And I don't

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Speaker 2: like people who try way too hard to be called

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Speaker 2: that is really I'll just finish my point, actually done,

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Speaker 2: but thank you. I don't know, but thank you so

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Speaker 2: much for being so excited by what I'm saying.

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Speaker 1: Maybe I jump into peoples coming.

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Speaker 2: I'm still finishing my well why.

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Speaker 1: Is such a dramatic pause.

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Speaker 2: Play? But I think I would rather on the spectrum

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Speaker 2: of self professed nerd to like boy who wears Solomon

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Speaker 2: trainers and like loves to post about them and like

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Speaker 2: is desperate to show of the fact that he's got

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Speaker 2: like a fucking bike that you can like take the

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Speaker 2: wheels off of, like that kind of thing. I'd much

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Speaker 2: rather go out of someone who calls himself a nerd,

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Speaker 2: but I would need to in the course of the

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Speaker 2: relationship make them fashionable.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, and if anyone out there does like laughing, like,

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Speaker 3: let me know, because I want to dress like an

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Speaker 3: olf and go into the woods. And that's not a

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Speaker 3: sexual thing unless you want it to be.

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Speaker 2: Next time. On twenty eight Dates Later, I Love how

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Speaker 2: with dog got sick and he's like, should I kean up? Like, yeah, dude,

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Speaker 2: you're in a fucking pop rose.

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Speaker 1: The dog was so sick, like it was a lot.

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Speaker 1: I'm sick because.

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Speaker 2: You know what dogs are like, if they're sick, they

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Speaker 2: want to hear, and then the dog ate the sick.

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Speaker 1: Ah.

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Speaker 2: Oh my girls around for me.

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Speaker 1: I'm a savage. They can hurt it are.

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