1 00:00:00,640 --> 00:00:03,160 Speaker 1: Can'f I am six forty. You're listening to the John 2 00:00:03,240 --> 00:00:05,520 Speaker 1: Cobel podcast on the iHeartRadio app. 3 00:00:06,360 --> 00:00:08,680 Speaker 2: Mark Thompson here for John Cobelt today and we are 4 00:00:08,760 --> 00:00:13,240 Speaker 2: awaiting the briefing from the NTSB. It will come now 5 00:00:13,320 --> 00:00:17,680 Speaker 2: at two thirty and they will at that point give 6 00:00:17,760 --> 00:00:20,639 Speaker 2: us information that we're getting a little bit piecemealed. They're 7 00:00:20,680 --> 00:00:24,600 Speaker 2: fragments of information coming out of the FAA, they are 8 00:00:24,640 --> 00:00:28,320 Speaker 2: fragments of information coming out of analysts, they're coming out 9 00:00:28,320 --> 00:00:33,680 Speaker 2: of journalists, sources, et cetera. But there does appear to 10 00:00:33,720 --> 00:00:36,880 Speaker 2: be certain clues to what's going on that are all 11 00:00:37,880 --> 00:00:41,600 Speaker 2: against the backdrop when it comes to this accident at 12 00:00:41,960 --> 00:00:44,440 Speaker 2: Washington's National Reagan National Airport. 13 00:00:45,640 --> 00:00:47,600 Speaker 3: They're all against the backdrop. 14 00:00:47,240 --> 00:00:52,080 Speaker 2: Of what is now openly being discussed, which is something 15 00:00:52,080 --> 00:00:55,640 Speaker 2: that was quietly being discussed for decades, and that is 16 00:00:56,080 --> 00:00:58,440 Speaker 2: the volume of air traffic in and out of Washington. 17 00:00:58,480 --> 00:01:01,279 Speaker 2: I mean DCA. I grew up in Washington, Okay, so 18 00:01:01,440 --> 00:01:05,240 Speaker 2: I and I was a little kid when they built 19 00:01:05,280 --> 00:01:07,720 Speaker 2: this Dulles. I'm chuckling because I guess that's how old 20 00:01:07,760 --> 00:01:11,840 Speaker 2: I am. But I mean Dulles was this modern airport, 21 00:01:12,000 --> 00:01:15,520 Speaker 2: very cool looking in Virginia and so just outside, if 22 00:01:15,520 --> 00:01:19,199 Speaker 2: you will, suburban Washington. And the idea behind the building 23 00:01:19,240 --> 00:01:21,399 Speaker 2: of Dulles was that it would take pressure off of 24 00:01:21,680 --> 00:01:24,160 Speaker 2: Reagan National and you'd begin to see more and more 25 00:01:24,200 --> 00:01:29,080 Speaker 2: flights in and out of Dulles while the workload was 26 00:01:29,160 --> 00:01:33,520 Speaker 2: reduced at DCA at National now Reagan National Airport, the 27 00:01:33,600 --> 00:01:39,160 Speaker 2: scene of this tragedy. So what happened was a lot 28 00:01:39,200 --> 00:01:41,920 Speaker 2: of traffic went to Dulles, but there was a reluctance 29 00:01:42,520 --> 00:01:47,240 Speaker 2: to really go to Dulles as commuter flights and others 30 00:01:47,280 --> 00:01:51,160 Speaker 2: that wanted quick access to the downtown area seemed to 31 00:01:51,240 --> 00:01:57,360 Speaker 2: just favor Washington's Reagan National Airport. And the other thing, 32 00:01:57,400 --> 00:02:01,600 Speaker 2: and this is huge. The other thing that happened with 33 00:02:02,560 --> 00:02:06,800 Speaker 2: Reagan National Airport was it was recommended that they reduced 34 00:02:06,800 --> 00:02:12,000 Speaker 2: traffic for safety reasons, but instead of reducing traffic, they 35 00:02:12,080 --> 00:02:18,960 Speaker 2: responded to lobbying. Political lobbying on the part of many legislators, senators, 36 00:02:19,240 --> 00:02:23,040 Speaker 2: congress people, other support staff who wanted to fly back 37 00:02:23,080 --> 00:02:27,720 Speaker 2: to their districts from Washington and from their districts back 38 00:02:27,760 --> 00:02:30,160 Speaker 2: to Washington, and they didn't want to be inconvenience to 39 00:02:30,200 --> 00:02:33,840 Speaker 2: have to go out to Virginia. Now Dulles, as modern 40 00:02:33,880 --> 00:02:38,280 Speaker 2: as it is, is an hour probably outside of Washington. 41 00:02:39,400 --> 00:02:43,480 Speaker 2: I mean, think you're in Santa Clarita and you've got 42 00:02:43,520 --> 00:02:46,360 Speaker 2: to go to lax So depending on the traffic, it 43 00:02:46,400 --> 00:02:49,800 Speaker 2: could you know, it could take you a couple of hours. 44 00:02:50,560 --> 00:02:53,600 Speaker 2: And that's kind of what legislators and those with real 45 00:02:53,800 --> 00:02:58,680 Speaker 2: juice in Washington, politicians with real leverage, were able to 46 00:02:58,880 --> 00:03:03,960 Speaker 2: press when it came aim to closing or reducing Reagan 47 00:03:04,040 --> 00:03:07,480 Speaker 2: National Airport's workloaded when it came to aviation. And the 48 00:03:07,560 --> 00:03:11,760 Speaker 2: other thing that now everybody's talking about out loud that 49 00:03:11,880 --> 00:03:17,600 Speaker 2: before they were just whispering about, was the proximity of 50 00:03:17,639 --> 00:03:22,480 Speaker 2: this insanely busy airport, which by the way, was made 51 00:03:22,560 --> 00:03:26,160 Speaker 2: more busy instead of reducing volume, and in response to 52 00:03:26,200 --> 00:03:28,600 Speaker 2: the pressure that I just described, they actually increased the 53 00:03:28,639 --> 00:03:29,280 Speaker 2: number of flights. 54 00:03:29,280 --> 00:03:30,960 Speaker 3: They opened a new runway there. 55 00:03:33,400 --> 00:03:36,840 Speaker 2: So the other thing that's being discussed is that this 56 00:03:36,920 --> 00:03:41,960 Speaker 2: incredibly busy airport exists where it exists in between all 57 00:03:42,000 --> 00:03:46,720 Speaker 2: this restricted airspace, So pilots coming in and out of 58 00:03:46,800 --> 00:03:52,240 Speaker 2: National have to navigate around the White House where there 59 00:03:52,320 --> 00:03:58,000 Speaker 2: is obviously no airspace that you can be part of. 60 00:03:58,360 --> 00:03:59,720 Speaker 3: There is also the Pentagon. 61 00:04:00,080 --> 00:04:03,440 Speaker 2: There are a number of other official buildings and military 62 00:04:03,480 --> 00:04:06,560 Speaker 2: installations that are embedded in all of this. So as 63 00:04:06,600 --> 00:04:13,040 Speaker 2: a pilot approaching Reagan National Airport, you have a somewhat 64 00:04:13,960 --> 00:04:17,799 Speaker 2: intense flight path that you have to hit. And now 65 00:04:18,160 --> 00:04:21,679 Speaker 2: again a third thing is being spoken up out loud 66 00:04:22,880 --> 00:04:27,520 Speaker 2: that was maybe whispered or spoken of in soft tones 67 00:04:27,960 --> 00:04:32,200 Speaker 2: that never really made national media, and that is the 68 00:04:32,400 --> 00:04:35,599 Speaker 2: Army helicopters who are in regular maneuvers through that area. 69 00:04:36,440 --> 00:04:40,160 Speaker 2: I mean, it seems incredible, doesn't it. And this helicopter, 70 00:04:40,200 --> 00:04:43,960 Speaker 2: as we've learned, flew outside its approved flight path. So 71 00:04:44,080 --> 00:04:47,719 Speaker 2: the American Airlines pilots probably did not see the helicopter 72 00:04:47,800 --> 00:04:50,080 Speaker 2: close by as they made that turn toward the runway, 73 00:04:51,160 --> 00:04:53,960 Speaker 2: and the air traffic controller was juggling two jobs at 74 00:04:53,960 --> 00:04:58,039 Speaker 2: the same time. That person was unable to keep the 75 00:04:58,040 --> 00:05:00,719 Speaker 2: helicopter and the plane separated, and you know what happened. 76 00:05:02,360 --> 00:05:06,160 Speaker 2: So again we're going to get a live press conference. 77 00:05:06,200 --> 00:05:09,120 Speaker 2: We'll carry it live here at KFI at two thirty. 78 00:05:10,600 --> 00:05:15,480 Speaker 2: But this catastrophe really appears to confirm what pilots and 79 00:05:15,520 --> 00:05:17,920 Speaker 2: air traffic controllers and safety experts have been warning about 80 00:05:17,960 --> 00:05:22,479 Speaker 2: for years. That this aviation system and holes in it 81 00:05:22,520 --> 00:05:24,600 Speaker 2: could lead to the kind of crash that left sixty 82 00:05:24,680 --> 00:05:29,039 Speaker 2: seven people dead in the Potomac River. And when you 83 00:05:29,120 --> 00:05:32,760 Speaker 2: talk about problems with air traffic control, you can go 84 00:05:32,880 --> 00:05:38,040 Speaker 2: back to the Reagan era. It's ironic or eerily coincidental 85 00:05:39,560 --> 00:05:42,240 Speaker 2: that this crash would happen at an airport named for 86 00:05:42,320 --> 00:05:46,479 Speaker 2: Ronald Reagan. Because you younger boys and girls may not remember, 87 00:05:46,520 --> 00:05:49,719 Speaker 2: but let me just tell you that the I think 88 00:05:49,800 --> 00:05:52,360 Speaker 2: most of us would recall that there was a standoff 89 00:05:52,680 --> 00:05:58,120 Speaker 2: between Ronald Reagan and striking air traffic controllers during the 90 00:05:58,120 --> 00:06:01,520 Speaker 2: Reagan administration. The thing that Reagan pointed to was, hey, 91 00:06:01,560 --> 00:06:05,400 Speaker 2: you guys can't strike your federal workers, and you're bound 92 00:06:05,720 --> 00:06:09,240 Speaker 2: contractually to go back to the office. So in the 93 00:06:09,240 --> 00:06:12,799 Speaker 2: middle of this labor dispute, those air traffic controllers didn't 94 00:06:12,839 --> 00:06:15,760 Speaker 2: really legally, was the argument from the Reagan administration, have 95 00:06:15,880 --> 00:06:18,240 Speaker 2: the power to walk off the job. But they did, 96 00:06:19,720 --> 00:06:23,840 Speaker 2: and Reagan said, well, here's what's going to happen. You 97 00:06:23,920 --> 00:06:25,640 Speaker 2: guys are going to go back to work or you're 98 00:06:25,680 --> 00:06:29,359 Speaker 2: all fired. And they didn't go back to work, and 99 00:06:29,400 --> 00:06:33,720 Speaker 2: they were all fired, and that really handicapped their organization. 100 00:06:33,839 --> 00:06:37,680 Speaker 2: But to be fair, that was many decades ago. By 101 00:06:37,760 --> 00:06:42,479 Speaker 2: now they have built back the air traffic control community, 102 00:06:42,520 --> 00:06:44,839 Speaker 2: but they're still shy of where they want to be. 103 00:06:45,640 --> 00:06:48,360 Speaker 2: One of the goals of the last administration was to 104 00:06:48,400 --> 00:06:52,520 Speaker 2: bring that up to speed, and so there's still a 105 00:06:52,560 --> 00:06:56,760 Speaker 2: feeling and a conversation around air traffic control and aviation 106 00:06:56,920 --> 00:06:59,480 Speaker 2: safety in this country. That goes all the way back 107 00:06:59,520 --> 00:07:03,839 Speaker 2: to what I'm talking talking about, which is that Reagan moment. Again, 108 00:07:04,200 --> 00:07:06,520 Speaker 2: it's not a party specific thing. This has nothing to 109 00:07:06,520 --> 00:07:09,720 Speaker 2: do with Republicans and Democrats. This has everything to do 110 00:07:09,800 --> 00:07:14,640 Speaker 2: with the management of the FAA and how they are 111 00:07:14,640 --> 00:07:19,160 Speaker 2: managing their relationship with aviation. And the last thing I 112 00:07:19,200 --> 00:07:21,520 Speaker 2: would say about the FAA is something that we all know, 113 00:07:22,040 --> 00:07:26,680 Speaker 2: which is that the industry that they're supposed to regulate, 114 00:07:26,720 --> 00:07:29,160 Speaker 2: and we always hear about regulations and regularly there are 115 00:07:29,160 --> 00:07:31,080 Speaker 2: too many regulations. Well, I mean, this is the kind 116 00:07:31,120 --> 00:07:33,520 Speaker 2: of thing, life and death stuff. You want regulations, you 117 00:07:33,560 --> 00:07:37,880 Speaker 2: want protections. They have to exist in this area, with food, 118 00:07:37,960 --> 00:07:39,560 Speaker 2: with aviation, with public safety. 119 00:07:39,600 --> 00:07:40,480 Speaker 3: It has to be there. 120 00:07:41,440 --> 00:07:45,680 Speaker 2: But what's happened at the FAA is they've been taken 121 00:07:45,720 --> 00:07:49,480 Speaker 2: over by a lot of these aviation companies. Boeing as 122 00:07:49,520 --> 00:07:54,200 Speaker 2: the classic example, right. It's called regulatory capture. It's when 123 00:07:54,520 --> 00:07:58,120 Speaker 2: the corporation that you're supposed to be regulating grows so 124 00:07:58,360 --> 00:08:03,160 Speaker 2: big that it takes over your agency. That's what happened 125 00:08:03,200 --> 00:08:08,240 Speaker 2: with Boeing with the max Jets, the max Jet incidents, 126 00:08:08,840 --> 00:08:13,160 Speaker 2: as you know, two crashed killed everybody on board those 127 00:08:13,200 --> 00:08:16,640 Speaker 2: max jets. And the changes and engineering changes that Boeing 128 00:08:16,960 --> 00:08:21,120 Speaker 2: was lobbying for they got and they self policed. And 129 00:08:21,160 --> 00:08:23,760 Speaker 2: the only reason we know they sell policed is because 130 00:08:23,800 --> 00:08:30,000 Speaker 2: of what happened after the crashes. Then whistleblowers came forward 131 00:08:30,040 --> 00:08:31,880 Speaker 2: and then we got a lot of FAA documents and 132 00:08:31,960 --> 00:08:35,160 Speaker 2: you saw the way Boeing was just allowed to run wild. 133 00:08:35,920 --> 00:08:38,960 Speaker 3: So the FAA troubled. 134 00:08:39,760 --> 00:08:46,280 Speaker 2: I'd suggest government agency charged with regulatory strategies when it 135 00:08:46,320 --> 00:08:50,000 Speaker 2: comes to aviation in America, and yet they've compromised some 136 00:08:50,080 --> 00:08:53,120 Speaker 2: of their regulatory power because of the power of the 137 00:08:53,240 --> 00:08:54,680 Speaker 2: very industries they're regulating. 138 00:08:55,840 --> 00:08:56,520 Speaker 3: We'll take the. 139 00:08:56,760 --> 00:09:00,600 Speaker 2: Live press conference at two point thirty from the NTSB 140 00:09:00,800 --> 00:09:05,320 Speaker 2: as more comes to the surface about this terrible accident, 141 00:09:05,559 --> 00:09:09,480 Speaker 2: just disastrous. It's a John Cobelt, Joe Mark Thompson sitting 142 00:09:09,559 --> 00:09:11,200 Speaker 2: in for John KFI AM six. 143 00:09:11,200 --> 00:09:14,040 Speaker 3: Forty Live Everywhere on the iHeartRadio app. 144 00:09:14,760 --> 00:09:19,080 Speaker 4: You're listening to John Cobelt on demand from KFI AM 145 00:09:19,120 --> 00:09:19,680 Speaker 4: six forty. 146 00:09:21,160 --> 00:09:23,640 Speaker 2: I was looking to see that the FAA has indefinitely 147 00:09:23,679 --> 00:09:27,600 Speaker 2: closed copter roots near. 148 00:09:27,600 --> 00:09:29,040 Speaker 3: The crash site. 149 00:09:29,160 --> 00:09:32,920 Speaker 2: So the helicopters that normally very much punctuate the scene 150 00:09:32,960 --> 00:09:39,600 Speaker 2: there around Washington's Reagan National Airport, they are not punctuating 151 00:09:39,640 --> 00:09:43,280 Speaker 2: that scene, and there may be some serious policy decisions 152 00:09:43,280 --> 00:09:47,520 Speaker 2: made about helicopter traffic in that area. We're talking a 153 00:09:47,520 --> 00:09:52,280 Speaker 2: bit about that deadly crash. I mean it's hard. We've 154 00:09:52,320 --> 00:09:55,080 Speaker 2: just been through so much as a region, devastating. Anybody 155 00:09:55,240 --> 00:09:59,520 Speaker 2: watched the or listen to I listened on Actually KFI. 156 00:09:59,640 --> 00:10:01,559 Speaker 3: We ran some of the music last night. 157 00:10:01,800 --> 00:10:06,200 Speaker 2: Moe Kelly ran some of the music at the fire 158 00:10:06,280 --> 00:10:10,840 Speaker 2: Aid concert, and then I flipped over to I Think 159 00:10:11,880 --> 00:10:14,600 Speaker 2: I Think Doctor Dre was on stage and Moe was 160 00:10:14,640 --> 00:10:18,319 Speaker 2: concerned that the language might be a little too salty. 161 00:10:18,440 --> 00:10:21,720 Speaker 2: That was what my sense was, and so I flipped 162 00:10:21,760 --> 00:10:27,440 Speaker 2: over to just to check out the coverage Kiss FM 163 00:10:27,720 --> 00:10:30,319 Speaker 2: and ALT and it was really great. 164 00:10:30,400 --> 00:10:34,360 Speaker 3: I mean, it was super great. I hadn't really. 165 00:10:34,720 --> 00:10:37,480 Speaker 2: Set it aside as something that I wanted to devote 166 00:10:37,480 --> 00:10:39,880 Speaker 2: time to. And then the minute it started I started 167 00:10:39,880 --> 00:10:42,440 Speaker 2: listening to it. I actually had to hear the whole thing. 168 00:10:42,559 --> 00:10:43,439 Speaker 2: It was terrific. 169 00:10:43,760 --> 00:10:46,240 Speaker 5: Billie Eilish was great, I thought. I thought Pink was 170 00:10:46,280 --> 00:10:50,439 Speaker 5: really amazing. And then did you catch Billy Crystal when 171 00:10:50,480 --> 00:10:53,680 Speaker 5: he no, he was talking about that he was wearing 172 00:10:53,720 --> 00:10:56,400 Speaker 5: the clothes that he was wearing the day that he 173 00:10:56,440 --> 00:10:58,439 Speaker 5: had to just run from his home when the fire 174 00:10:58,480 --> 00:10:58,920 Speaker 5: broke out. 175 00:10:59,000 --> 00:11:02,720 Speaker 2: Yeah, he lost everything in that fire. Now I didn't 176 00:11:02,720 --> 00:11:03,440 Speaker 2: see that part. 177 00:11:03,920 --> 00:11:08,120 Speaker 5: Yeah, that was and then of course he made jokes. Yeah, 178 00:11:08,160 --> 00:11:10,079 Speaker 5: but I mean he was great. I mean he was 179 00:11:10,120 --> 00:11:11,120 Speaker 5: so raw and real. 180 00:11:11,400 --> 00:11:13,880 Speaker 2: It was an interesting thing was the I was trying 181 00:11:13,920 --> 00:11:16,040 Speaker 2: to figure out, was the thing hosted by somebody. I 182 00:11:16,040 --> 00:11:20,120 Speaker 2: saw Valentine was kind of woven through, and there were 183 00:11:20,120 --> 00:11:24,480 Speaker 2: a couple of other I thought there were some women 184 00:11:24,480 --> 00:11:26,160 Speaker 2: who were hosting along the way, and then and then 185 00:11:26,240 --> 00:11:29,920 Speaker 2: on stage you had musicians sort of hosting their chunk. 186 00:11:30,000 --> 00:11:32,400 Speaker 2: They were throwing to their introduce to the next act. 187 00:11:32,440 --> 00:11:34,880 Speaker 5: Right, Yeah, there wasn't just one host. It's funny because 188 00:11:34,920 --> 00:11:36,720 Speaker 5: my husband and I were talking about that as well, 189 00:11:37,160 --> 00:11:39,160 Speaker 5: and so it was just different people. 190 00:11:40,080 --> 00:11:44,800 Speaker 2: It was super cool and apparently before any note was sung, 191 00:11:45,280 --> 00:11:49,000 Speaker 2: they'd already raised sixty million dollars. So I don't know 192 00:11:49,040 --> 00:11:51,720 Speaker 2: what the total is or if they have any estimates, 193 00:11:51,720 --> 00:11:53,079 Speaker 2: we'll try to get them for you. But I think 194 00:11:53,080 --> 00:11:56,240 Speaker 2: it was wildly successful and really innovative, you know, the 195 00:11:56,360 --> 00:12:02,920 Speaker 2: two different venues going simultaneously, And as Deborah says, it 196 00:12:03,000 --> 00:12:07,560 Speaker 2: was just a murderous row of great, incredible performers who 197 00:12:07,679 --> 00:12:11,160 Speaker 2: all show up. I mean, legendary performers, everybody from Joni 198 00:12:11,240 --> 00:12:14,000 Speaker 2: Mitchell to Stevie Nicks to doctor Dre I mean, my god, 199 00:12:14,200 --> 00:12:15,320 Speaker 2: Billie Eilish. 200 00:12:15,360 --> 00:12:16,079 Speaker 3: It was crazy. 201 00:12:16,120 --> 00:12:19,360 Speaker 2: Gwen Stefani, they got the whole No Doubt crew back together. 202 00:12:20,280 --> 00:12:21,559 Speaker 2: It was super impressive. 203 00:12:21,679 --> 00:12:23,319 Speaker 5: Lady Gaga, Lady. 204 00:12:23,080 --> 00:12:26,680 Speaker 3: Gaga, Stevie, Wonder, Earth Wind and Fire, thank you exactly, 205 00:12:27,080 --> 00:12:31,360 Speaker 3: my go. It was really great. 206 00:12:31,559 --> 00:12:34,880 Speaker 2: And now I'm unclear it'll be up on Is it 207 00:12:34,960 --> 00:12:37,960 Speaker 2: up on the iHeartRadio app indefinitely or for a while, 208 00:12:38,120 --> 00:12:40,520 Speaker 2: or is it on Hulu indefinitely? 209 00:12:40,800 --> 00:12:43,120 Speaker 3: Anybody know? Can? I watched it on Prime last night? 210 00:12:43,160 --> 00:12:44,000 Speaker 3: Oh you did? Yeah? 211 00:12:44,120 --> 00:12:47,000 Speaker 2: Yeah, I think it should be up there. I would 212 00:12:47,040 --> 00:12:51,200 Speaker 2: think it would be watchable, but it's definitely worth a watch, 213 00:12:51,679 --> 00:12:55,320 Speaker 2: so check it out if you missed any of it. 214 00:12:56,000 --> 00:13:03,679 Speaker 2: The twenty four hours that horrible collision between the military 215 00:13:03,720 --> 00:13:08,679 Speaker 2: helicopter and the regional jet at Reagan National Airport, a 216 00:13:08,800 --> 00:13:12,000 Speaker 2: different passenger jet coming in for a landing at the 217 00:13:12,040 --> 00:13:16,280 Speaker 2: airport that same runway alerted the tower that it had 218 00:13:16,320 --> 00:13:20,240 Speaker 2: to abort, and the reason was the risk of a 219 00:13:20,280 --> 00:13:23,280 Speaker 2: possible collision with a helicopter. 220 00:13:24,960 --> 00:13:25,520 Speaker 3: It played out. 221 00:13:25,600 --> 00:13:29,840 Speaker 2: Less than a week earlier, a flight from Charlotte suddenly 222 00:13:29,840 --> 00:13:33,080 Speaker 2: pulled out of its approach at National. The captain told 223 00:13:33,120 --> 00:13:35,720 Speaker 2: passengers that he was tracking a helicopter and needed to 224 00:13:35,720 --> 00:13:42,320 Speaker 2: abort the landing. The two scrubbed landings within a week 225 00:13:43,760 --> 00:13:48,719 Speaker 2: really point a finger at the heightened danger that's been 226 00:13:48,760 --> 00:13:54,240 Speaker 2: talked about four years posed by frequent military helicopter flights 227 00:13:54,440 --> 00:14:00,280 Speaker 2: that are happening right alongside an insanely busy airport. There 228 00:14:00,280 --> 00:14:03,120 Speaker 2: have been close calls and worries about crashes four years. 229 00:14:03,160 --> 00:14:05,160 Speaker 2: They used to talk about it when I was a kid. 230 00:14:07,679 --> 00:14:12,559 Speaker 2: The US Army Blackhawk that crashed into this regional jet 231 00:14:12,760 --> 00:14:15,480 Speaker 2: killed sixty four people and the three Army crew members 232 00:14:15,520 --> 00:14:19,120 Speaker 2: on the helicopter have been flying along the east bank 233 00:14:19,160 --> 00:14:22,400 Speaker 2: of the Potomac, and it's a flight corridor designated for 234 00:14:23,480 --> 00:14:28,040 Speaker 2: low flying helicopters. But this is a narrow lane that 235 00:14:28,120 --> 00:14:33,600 Speaker 2: keeps these helicopters away from the jet flight paths. It 236 00:14:33,680 --> 00:14:38,160 Speaker 2: does intersect, though, with the path of aircraft on this 237 00:14:38,240 --> 00:14:41,720 Speaker 2: approach to Runway thirty three. That's the runway involved in 238 00:14:41,840 --> 00:14:48,760 Speaker 2: the accident. So as they look at policy, something's got 239 00:14:48,800 --> 00:14:51,840 Speaker 2: to change. There is a lot of military training and 240 00:14:51,880 --> 00:14:55,360 Speaker 2: other flights around this airport. It is in Washington, DC, 241 00:14:55,480 --> 00:14:58,560 Speaker 2: and you can imagine there are a lot of different 242 00:14:58,960 --> 00:15:04,400 Speaker 2: federal agencies and military services that are interlocking right around 243 00:15:04,440 --> 00:15:10,240 Speaker 2: that airport, and so managing those hazards is hard. And 244 00:15:10,320 --> 00:15:14,440 Speaker 2: then you get to the control tower right that staffing 245 00:15:14,520 --> 00:15:16,840 Speaker 2: levels were not what they called normal. 246 00:15:17,280 --> 00:15:20,040 Speaker 3: Inside the tower, they broke somebody early. 247 00:15:20,960 --> 00:15:23,000 Speaker 2: You're supposed to be down to one person in that 248 00:15:23,080 --> 00:15:29,360 Speaker 2: tower handling both helicopters and those commuter flights after nine thirty, 249 00:15:29,400 --> 00:15:31,200 Speaker 2: but it's supposed to be two people. 250 00:15:31,240 --> 00:15:32,760 Speaker 3: Before nine thirty. 251 00:15:32,880 --> 00:15:38,560 Speaker 2: Well, one person was allowed to go home early, and 252 00:15:38,600 --> 00:15:42,400 Speaker 2: the crash occurred around eight point fifty, ten minutes before 253 00:15:42,560 --> 00:15:47,320 Speaker 2: nine o'clock. So the job of managing the helicopters was 254 00:15:47,360 --> 00:15:50,040 Speaker 2: being handled by a controller who was also managing other 255 00:15:50,120 --> 00:15:52,160 Speaker 2: air traffic. And had it been a normal night of 256 00:15:52,160 --> 00:15:54,240 Speaker 2: normal staffing, that wouldn't have been the case. It would 257 00:15:54,280 --> 00:15:59,520 Speaker 2: have been two different people. So you can see there's 258 00:15:59,560 --> 00:16:02,080 Speaker 2: a lot going on here and a few moving parts. 259 00:16:02,520 --> 00:16:05,520 Speaker 2: When we come back, I do want to hear one 260 00:16:05,640 --> 00:16:08,400 Speaker 2: last thing before we go to the NTSB press conference. 261 00:16:08,400 --> 00:16:12,080 Speaker 3: Will take it live later. It said, was it thirty? 262 00:16:12,080 --> 00:16:12,400 Speaker 3: Thank you? 263 00:16:14,200 --> 00:16:16,920 Speaker 2: When we come back, I want to hear from black 264 00:16:16,960 --> 00:16:23,600 Speaker 2: Hawk pilot Lieutenant Colonel Darren gow. He was on Fox 265 00:16:23,720 --> 00:16:27,880 Speaker 2: News talking about a lot of aspects and details of 266 00:16:27,920 --> 00:16:31,160 Speaker 2: the black Hawk shoppers, why they don't have black boxes, 267 00:16:31,280 --> 00:16:33,880 Speaker 2: why they don't have collision warning systems, and he can 268 00:16:33,960 --> 00:16:37,400 Speaker 2: just maybe shed some light on this. We'll do that 269 00:16:38,120 --> 00:16:40,240 Speaker 2: next as we continue, and as I say, we'll handle 270 00:16:40,240 --> 00:16:43,040 Speaker 2: that NTSB press conference when it happens, we'll carry it live. 271 00:16:43,600 --> 00:16:44,840 Speaker 3: Mark Toobson for John Cobalt. 272 00:16:44,840 --> 00:16:48,120 Speaker 2: We're KFI AM six forty live everywhere on the iHeartRadio app. 273 00:16:49,200 --> 00:16:53,800 Speaker 4: You're listening to John Cobels on demand from KFI AM six. 274 00:16:53,800 --> 00:16:57,040 Speaker 2: Forty John Cobelts Show. Mark Thompson just sitting in for 275 00:16:57,080 --> 00:17:01,240 Speaker 2: the afternoon, and the DC plane crash continues to dominate 276 00:17:01,280 --> 00:17:05,119 Speaker 2: our attention. Such a thorough tragedy and all sorts of 277 00:17:05,119 --> 00:17:09,879 Speaker 2: details being revealed about air traffic in that area and 278 00:17:10,400 --> 00:17:15,640 Speaker 2: concerns in that area. FAA knowing that it was problematic 279 00:17:16,119 --> 00:17:20,800 Speaker 2: much of the helicopter traffic coexisting with commuter plane traffic. 280 00:17:21,520 --> 00:17:25,320 Speaker 2: And Parry Russell from ABC News is in Washington with 281 00:17:25,400 --> 00:17:27,720 Speaker 2: more high Perry, see how are you. 282 00:17:27,800 --> 00:17:29,800 Speaker 6: Yeah, Well, I'm looking right now at the Potelmac where 283 00:17:29,840 --> 00:17:33,520 Speaker 6: it appears that there is a crane in the water 284 00:17:33,640 --> 00:17:37,600 Speaker 6: that is working on lifting the Blackhawk helicopter. We knew 285 00:17:37,600 --> 00:17:40,520 Speaker 6: that cranes were going to be arriving today to start 286 00:17:40,560 --> 00:17:42,760 Speaker 6: work what we were told earlier in a news conference 287 00:17:42,760 --> 00:17:45,760 Speaker 6: that they would start tomorrow on the airplanes. And this 288 00:17:45,800 --> 00:17:48,520 Speaker 6: is kind of catching a lot of reporters by surprise 289 00:17:48,600 --> 00:17:51,520 Speaker 6: right now that it appears they are starting to lift 290 00:17:51,560 --> 00:17:54,680 Speaker 6: the Blackhawk helicopter out of the water. We know one 291 00:17:54,760 --> 00:17:57,240 Speaker 6: soldier has already been recovered and we know that two 292 00:17:57,280 --> 00:17:59,359 Speaker 6: more are believed to be inside. So that what's happening 293 00:17:59,359 --> 00:17:59,960 Speaker 6: to you right now? 294 00:18:00,600 --> 00:18:03,600 Speaker 2: There is going to be a press conference I think 295 00:18:03,640 --> 00:18:08,080 Speaker 2: in about an hour at which they'll the NTSB officials, 296 00:18:08,080 --> 00:18:11,240 Speaker 2: I assume, will give us what details they are comfortable sharing. 297 00:18:11,280 --> 00:18:13,120 Speaker 2: I mean, I guess these investigators wild take a very 298 00:18:13,160 --> 00:18:15,760 Speaker 2: long time, but we get a sort of piece miller 299 00:18:15,800 --> 00:18:16,359 Speaker 2: along the way. 300 00:18:17,720 --> 00:18:21,240 Speaker 6: Yeah, So the NTFP is we're expecting a full preliminary 301 00:18:21,240 --> 00:18:23,920 Speaker 6: report from them within thirty days. They had that news 302 00:18:23,920 --> 00:18:27,320 Speaker 6: conference yesterday basically setting everything up for their first day 303 00:18:27,359 --> 00:18:30,000 Speaker 6: on the job. We know that today they have both 304 00:18:30,040 --> 00:18:34,200 Speaker 6: black boxes from the airplane. One is a voice recorder, 305 00:18:34,280 --> 00:18:36,560 Speaker 6: other one is a data recorder. So for the voice 306 00:18:36,560 --> 00:18:39,800 Speaker 6: recorder records everything that was being said between the pilots 307 00:18:39,800 --> 00:18:42,119 Speaker 6: and what other noises were happening inside, whether it's a 308 00:18:42,200 --> 00:18:45,320 Speaker 6: ping or a boom or a scratch of any kind. 309 00:18:45,320 --> 00:18:48,200 Speaker 6: But multiple people have to listen to that audio recording. 310 00:18:48,240 --> 00:18:51,840 Speaker 6: They call it being auditioned, So multiple people listen to that. 311 00:18:52,320 --> 00:18:54,320 Speaker 6: The investigators right down what they hear that they match 312 00:18:54,400 --> 00:18:57,360 Speaker 6: up transcripts. I'm not sure what we're going to hear 313 00:18:57,440 --> 00:18:59,840 Speaker 6: today from the NTFP in just about an hour from 314 00:18:59,840 --> 00:19:03,119 Speaker 6: the out. It's a very evolving situation. But there was 315 00:19:03,160 --> 00:19:05,480 Speaker 6: a news conference held by DC Fire not too long 316 00:19:05,520 --> 00:19:08,639 Speaker 6: ago where they told us that forty one victims have 317 00:19:08,680 --> 00:19:12,760 Speaker 6: been recovered so far, twenty eight have been positively idd. 318 00:19:13,560 --> 00:19:16,120 Speaker 6: And my question for them was, you know, forty one 319 00:19:16,320 --> 00:19:18,719 Speaker 6: is not sixty seven. We know sixty seven people were 320 00:19:18,800 --> 00:19:21,919 Speaker 6: killed in this, and that number there's a large difference 321 00:19:21,960 --> 00:19:24,639 Speaker 6: there with twenty six. And they said that they believe 322 00:19:24,720 --> 00:19:27,320 Speaker 6: they know where the other twenty six are. But what 323 00:19:27,359 --> 00:19:29,320 Speaker 6: the chief told me was, quote, we think we know 324 00:19:29,400 --> 00:19:32,640 Speaker 6: where they are, we won't know until we are done. 325 00:19:33,160 --> 00:19:35,120 Speaker 6: So this is an evolving situation here in the next 326 00:19:35,160 --> 00:19:36,280 Speaker 6: couple of days, and. 327 00:19:36,240 --> 00:19:41,840 Speaker 2: That's a pretty grim task having to well fish those 328 00:19:41,880 --> 00:19:44,359 Speaker 2: bodies out, those sweet souls who lost their lives in 329 00:19:44,400 --> 00:19:47,680 Speaker 2: all this. The FAA telling you this morning that they're 330 00:19:47,720 --> 00:19:50,960 Speaker 2: not giving permission for the low altitude helicopter roots around 331 00:19:51,040 --> 00:19:53,919 Speaker 2: DCA for the time being. I saw that ABC was 332 00:19:53,960 --> 00:19:55,960 Speaker 2: reporting that, Yeah, yeah. 333 00:19:55,800 --> 00:19:58,439 Speaker 6: That's correct. So the FAA is essentially stopping all of 334 00:19:58,440 --> 00:20:01,080 Speaker 6: these low flying Blackhawk he copters that go up and 335 00:20:01,119 --> 00:20:03,399 Speaker 6: down the Potomacs. Theer's essentially like a grid of a 336 00:20:03,480 --> 00:20:07,359 Speaker 6: no flies on some capacity for these helicopters around DCA. 337 00:20:08,320 --> 00:20:11,440 Speaker 6: It's not clear how long that is going to last. 338 00:20:11,480 --> 00:20:13,480 Speaker 6: You know that the FAA is saying that they're going 339 00:20:13,520 --> 00:20:17,320 Speaker 6: to wait for the ntsd's preliminary report to be complete 340 00:20:17,840 --> 00:20:21,280 Speaker 6: before they decide to reopen, so that could happen within 341 00:20:21,320 --> 00:20:23,560 Speaker 6: the next thirty days, but there really is no date 342 00:20:24,200 --> 00:20:26,479 Speaker 6: on when that decision is going to be made. 343 00:20:26,640 --> 00:20:28,719 Speaker 2: I mean, it is the case, isn't it, Perry That 344 00:20:28,960 --> 00:20:31,639 Speaker 2: increasingly they're talking about something that has been talked about 345 00:20:31,680 --> 00:20:34,800 Speaker 2: in Washington for a while. Now you're really getting some 346 00:20:35,080 --> 00:20:40,040 Speaker 2: oxygen to this issue of helicopters coexisting with the commuter 347 00:20:40,119 --> 00:20:43,840 Speaker 2: flights and passenger jets at that same airport, which saw 348 00:20:44,160 --> 00:20:46,720 Speaker 2: so many of these regular training maneuvers going on. 349 00:20:47,720 --> 00:20:49,960 Speaker 6: Yeah, it's a really busy airport for people who aren't 350 00:20:50,000 --> 00:20:52,960 Speaker 6: too familiar with how DCA works. You have helicopters that 351 00:20:53,000 --> 00:20:57,159 Speaker 6: are flying around, you have planes that are landing, and 352 00:20:57,200 --> 00:21:00,399 Speaker 6: some you know, senators have raised the question of is 353 00:21:00,560 --> 00:21:03,720 Speaker 6: DCA too busy. I was talking with Senator Tim Kane 354 00:21:03,720 --> 00:21:06,399 Speaker 6: from Virginia yesterday. He has kind of been ringing the 355 00:21:06,400 --> 00:21:08,199 Speaker 6: bell on that for a few years now, and he 356 00:21:08,240 --> 00:21:10,240 Speaker 6: told me he wanted to be cautious and you know, 357 00:21:10,520 --> 00:21:15,679 Speaker 6: before jumping to conclusions on blaming too much work for DCA, 358 00:21:15,840 --> 00:21:19,840 Speaker 6: too much volume for this being the exact cause you know, 359 00:21:19,840 --> 00:21:22,280 Speaker 6: it's just something they're going to be looking at. You know, 360 00:21:22,359 --> 00:21:25,560 Speaker 6: air traffic control and flying over DCA in and out 361 00:21:25,600 --> 00:21:28,159 Speaker 6: of DCA will never be the same after this. 362 00:21:28,560 --> 00:21:28,760 Speaker 3: Yeah. 363 00:21:28,840 --> 00:21:31,359 Speaker 2: I think that's a very well put Harry RUSSELM. Thank you, 364 00:21:31,440 --> 00:21:33,240 Speaker 2: ABC News correspondent in Washington. 365 00:21:33,280 --> 00:21:33,520 Speaker 3: Again. 366 00:21:33,560 --> 00:21:36,000 Speaker 2: The NTSB schedule to hold up media briefing. It'll be 367 00:21:36,520 --> 00:21:39,280 Speaker 2: four o'clock today. Oh, I'm sorry, It'll be two thirty 368 00:21:41,359 --> 00:21:44,200 Speaker 2: is the revised time. I'm laughing because they keep changing 369 00:21:44,240 --> 00:21:47,280 Speaker 2: the time. But it's a you can understand why. It's 370 00:21:47,280 --> 00:21:50,640 Speaker 2: a fluid situation. So now two thirty will carry it live. 371 00:21:50,880 --> 00:21:52,800 Speaker 2: One of the things that was interesting along the way, 372 00:21:52,960 --> 00:21:58,639 Speaker 2: just to put a button on it, is these black 373 00:21:58,680 --> 00:22:01,520 Speaker 2: Hawk helicopters, what they have and what they don't have 374 00:22:02,640 --> 00:22:06,840 Speaker 2: and well being interviewed on Fox News retired to Aeutenant 375 00:22:06,840 --> 00:22:09,800 Speaker 2: Colonel Darren gobb And he's a former black Hawk pilot. 376 00:22:10,320 --> 00:22:14,640 Speaker 2: I was talking about why Blackhawks don't have black boxes 377 00:22:14,760 --> 00:22:16,280 Speaker 2: and collision warning systems. 378 00:22:16,520 --> 00:22:18,760 Speaker 7: We can't rule out pilot error, we can't rule out 379 00:22:18,800 --> 00:22:22,720 Speaker 7: air traffic control error. The collision warning system. Why don't 380 00:22:22,720 --> 00:22:24,320 Speaker 7: the black Hawks have that? And why don't they have 381 00:22:24,359 --> 00:22:25,959 Speaker 7: a black box. Is it because in times of war 382 00:22:26,040 --> 00:22:27,439 Speaker 7: we don't want to leave anything behind. 383 00:22:27,560 --> 00:22:29,800 Speaker 8: Well, one of them is this model of aircraft is 384 00:22:30,359 --> 00:22:32,960 Speaker 8: quite a bit over and to put something like that 385 00:22:33,000 --> 00:22:35,479 Speaker 8: in it would have had been part of the initial package, 386 00:22:35,480 --> 00:22:37,840 Speaker 8: and that just that didn't really exist when they started 387 00:22:37,840 --> 00:22:41,040 Speaker 8: making these, and it was It's a risk calculation too 388 00:22:41,040 --> 00:22:42,840 Speaker 8: for what you install for the space you have. 389 00:22:43,560 --> 00:22:44,640 Speaker 3: Second of all, it put. 390 00:22:44,480 --> 00:22:48,840 Speaker 8: Into collision avoidance and warning systems at a black hawk. 391 00:22:48,960 --> 00:22:51,000 Speaker 8: Most of the time when blackhawks fly. When I ran 392 00:22:51,040 --> 00:22:53,840 Speaker 8: in the Salt battalion, you put ten aircraft in formation 393 00:22:53,960 --> 00:22:56,520 Speaker 8: flying close together, close to the ground. If you have 394 00:22:56,560 --> 00:22:59,040 Speaker 8: a collision avoidance system, it's going to be constantly going 395 00:22:59,080 --> 00:23:01,919 Speaker 8: off because you're always close to something. So it just 396 00:23:01,920 --> 00:23:04,359 Speaker 8: doesn't make any sense to put in this model of 397 00:23:04,840 --> 00:23:06,119 Speaker 8: helicopter in the first place. 398 00:23:06,520 --> 00:23:10,280 Speaker 2: They also talk about, and this is shilling. I think 399 00:23:10,960 --> 00:23:13,160 Speaker 2: that when you're flying in an area with a lot 400 00:23:13,160 --> 00:23:16,040 Speaker 2: of city lights in that black Hawk, it's hard to 401 00:23:16,040 --> 00:23:18,800 Speaker 2: differentiate between an aircraft and street lights. 402 00:23:18,800 --> 00:23:22,120 Speaker 8: One of the biggest mitigating circumstances to that in this 403 00:23:22,320 --> 00:23:25,479 Speaker 8: environment is the fact that when you fly in an 404 00:23:25,600 --> 00:23:29,719 Speaker 8: environment that is so lit up with city lights, and 405 00:23:29,760 --> 00:23:33,880 Speaker 8: you also then blend in aircraft lights and many aircraft flying, 406 00:23:34,800 --> 00:23:37,119 Speaker 8: it can actually all kind of blend together, and at 407 00:23:37,160 --> 00:23:40,560 Speaker 8: certain altitudes you actually can have a difficult time differentiating 408 00:23:40,560 --> 00:23:44,560 Speaker 8: between an aircraft with its lights on and cars on 409 00:23:44,640 --> 00:23:48,160 Speaker 8: the streets and street lights and things like that. I've 410 00:23:48,200 --> 00:23:50,040 Speaker 8: had that happen to me in Korea where I had 411 00:23:50,040 --> 00:23:52,720 Speaker 8: a near miss from seven forty seven because you couldn't 412 00:23:52,760 --> 00:23:56,520 Speaker 8: see it. It was just lights moving. We thought they 413 00:23:56,560 --> 00:23:58,800 Speaker 8: were cars on the streets. So all of these are 414 00:23:58,920 --> 00:24:03,600 Speaker 8: hypotheticals that could factor into a final conclusion someday in 415 00:24:03,640 --> 00:24:04,119 Speaker 8: the future. 416 00:24:04,320 --> 00:24:07,199 Speaker 2: That's the tenant Colonel Darren Galvin, a former black Hawk pilot, 417 00:24:07,280 --> 00:24:08,919 Speaker 2: talking about some of the challenges. 418 00:24:09,040 --> 00:24:10,200 Speaker 3: It's super scary. 419 00:24:10,400 --> 00:24:12,359 Speaker 2: And I'll tell you when you're in Washington, I go 420 00:24:12,440 --> 00:24:14,119 Speaker 2: back there all the time, and I still my mother's 421 00:24:14,119 --> 00:24:16,760 Speaker 2: still We've lost my dad this past year, but I 422 00:24:16,840 --> 00:24:18,120 Speaker 2: used to go back there all the time to see 423 00:24:18,160 --> 00:24:19,359 Speaker 2: both of them. Now I used to go back to 424 00:24:19,359 --> 00:24:21,520 Speaker 2: see my mom, of course. And where you want to 425 00:24:21,520 --> 00:24:25,720 Speaker 2: fly is Reagan National because it's close to the house, 426 00:24:25,760 --> 00:24:29,520 Speaker 2: it's close to the city. Everybody wants it. Okay, Many 427 00:24:29,560 --> 00:24:31,720 Speaker 2: flights go in and out of Dulles, but the more 428 00:24:31,800 --> 00:24:36,600 Speaker 2: convenient place to fly is Reagan National and for that reason, 429 00:24:36,640 --> 00:24:38,800 Speaker 2: as I was mentioning to you about a half hour ago, 430 00:24:38,880 --> 00:24:42,520 Speaker 2: there's a lot of political pressure because politicians and their 431 00:24:42,560 --> 00:24:44,840 Speaker 2: support staff that they want also to fly out of 432 00:24:44,840 --> 00:24:48,360 Speaker 2: that airport. So instead of pulling back on civilian traffic, 433 00:24:48,440 --> 00:24:51,679 Speaker 2: they've actually increased civilian traffic over the last decade. And 434 00:24:51,720 --> 00:24:54,160 Speaker 2: it's good to see Tim Kane talking about something he's 435 00:24:54,160 --> 00:24:56,399 Speaker 2: been talking about for a couple of years, which is 436 00:24:56,640 --> 00:25:01,159 Speaker 2: there has to be some renewed f to change the 437 00:25:01,200 --> 00:25:04,040 Speaker 2: strategies when it comes to the number of flights, volume 438 00:25:04,080 --> 00:25:08,160 Speaker 2: of flights that coexist with these military training exercises going 439 00:25:08,240 --> 00:25:10,919 Speaker 2: on alongside. We're learning so much and there will be 440 00:25:11,000 --> 00:25:15,080 Speaker 2: changes at DCA after all of this. It's The Cobalt Show, 441 00:25:15,119 --> 00:25:17,880 Speaker 2: Mark Thompson sitting in on KFI AM six forty live 442 00:25:17,920 --> 00:25:19,320 Speaker 2: everywhere on the iHeartRadio app. 443 00:25:20,119 --> 00:25:25,520 Speaker 4: You're listening to John cobelts on demand from KFI AM sixty. 444 00:25:25,880 --> 00:25:28,920 Speaker 2: John Cobelt's Show. Mark Thompson just sitting in for John 445 00:25:29,119 --> 00:25:31,280 Speaker 2: this afternoon. Still to come, We're going to talk to 446 00:25:31,320 --> 00:25:35,520 Speaker 2: Alex Stone about the arrest and the charging of that 447 00:25:36,000 --> 00:25:39,879 Speaker 2: drone pilot that flew into the firefighting airplane. 448 00:25:40,600 --> 00:25:41,000 Speaker 3: Remember that. 449 00:25:41,200 --> 00:25:46,120 Speaker 2: I mean that was just as the weather conditions were 450 00:25:46,160 --> 00:25:51,720 Speaker 2: permitting airborne traffic to get in and fight this fire. 451 00:25:51,760 --> 00:25:54,160 Speaker 2: I mean it was prohibitive for the first what would 452 00:25:54,200 --> 00:25:57,600 Speaker 2: you say, thirty hours something like that. I mean, wind 453 00:25:57,680 --> 00:26:01,880 Speaker 2: velocities were just too high. Finally got the super scoopers 454 00:26:01,960 --> 00:26:06,520 Speaker 2: up and one was hit by a drone flight. Well, 455 00:26:06,560 --> 00:26:09,760 Speaker 2: that guy was identified and has been charged, and Alex 456 00:26:09,800 --> 00:26:12,040 Speaker 2: Stone is going to give us the latest on that. 457 00:26:12,040 --> 00:26:14,360 Speaker 2: That is still to come later in the show. We'll 458 00:26:14,400 --> 00:26:17,680 Speaker 2: take the NTSB live press conference at two thirty. There 459 00:26:17,800 --> 00:26:23,280 Speaker 2: is an atmospheric river storm coming at least one, maybe two. 460 00:26:25,160 --> 00:26:29,960 Speaker 2: It's been an extraordinarily dry start of the year, but 461 00:26:30,119 --> 00:26:35,040 Speaker 2: they say that three atmospheric river storms in total are 462 00:26:35,119 --> 00:26:38,840 Speaker 2: expected to hit California over the next week. I think 463 00:26:38,920 --> 00:26:42,640 Speaker 2: one of them is primarily hitting northern parts of the state. 464 00:26:44,160 --> 00:26:47,679 Speaker 2: And they don't think that there is so much of 465 00:26:47,720 --> 00:26:51,639 Speaker 2: a risk of intense rain that there'd be debris flows 466 00:26:51,680 --> 00:26:55,440 Speaker 2: started from it in mudslide. So they see that risk 467 00:26:55,480 --> 00:26:59,560 Speaker 2: at least current forecasts as sort of not as great as, 468 00:27:00,040 --> 00:27:04,800 Speaker 2: for example, the situation up north. They're going to have 469 00:27:04,880 --> 00:27:12,000 Speaker 2: a powerful and intense kind of atmospheric river brush up north. 470 00:27:12,680 --> 00:27:16,600 Speaker 2: But they're saying rain totals here will exceed an inch maybe, 471 00:27:16,600 --> 00:27:18,680 Speaker 2: but not over an inch and a half for much 472 00:27:18,680 --> 00:27:22,040 Speaker 2: of LA County. Some areas may not even see an inch. 473 00:27:22,840 --> 00:27:25,080 Speaker 2: So that would help a lot of vegetation that has 474 00:27:25,119 --> 00:27:28,600 Speaker 2: been affected by this historically dry start to the year. 475 00:27:29,840 --> 00:27:31,560 Speaker 2: And I'm talking about to the water year, so all 476 00:27:31,600 --> 00:27:33,320 Speaker 2: the way back to June. I mean, there's been as 477 00:27:33,359 --> 00:27:36,480 Speaker 2: you know, it's widely talked about it no measurable precipitation 478 00:27:36,600 --> 00:27:38,600 Speaker 2: since you know, in ten months or whatever it's been. 479 00:27:38,640 --> 00:27:42,560 Speaker 2: But now we've had our first rush with a sizable 480 00:27:42,880 --> 00:27:45,800 Speaker 2: weather system and storm, and now the latest forecasting models 481 00:27:45,800 --> 00:27:52,800 Speaker 2: are saying that there'll be two more soakings. And the 482 00:27:52,880 --> 00:27:55,520 Speaker 2: last one dropped a half an inch, about an inch 483 00:27:55,560 --> 00:27:57,720 Speaker 2: and a half across the La basein that was last weekend. 484 00:27:57,800 --> 00:27:59,960 Speaker 2: We could get close to that Meteorologist of the Nation 485 00:28:00,080 --> 00:28:03,800 Speaker 2: Whether Service are saying, and what does that do to 486 00:28:03,880 --> 00:28:05,000 Speaker 2: the drought situation? 487 00:28:06,000 --> 00:28:07,800 Speaker 3: Not much. I mean. 488 00:28:09,119 --> 00:28:11,320 Speaker 2: It's going to take a lot more than an inch 489 00:28:11,359 --> 00:28:13,399 Speaker 2: and a half. In another inch and a half and 490 00:28:13,440 --> 00:28:15,240 Speaker 2: another inch and a half to make up for a 491 00:28:15,280 --> 00:28:20,399 Speaker 2: season where you haven't had any rainfall at all. So 492 00:28:20,960 --> 00:28:24,320 Speaker 2: even as we get this, it looks as though it 493 00:28:24,680 --> 00:28:26,879 Speaker 2: may not put much of a dent in things. Certainly 494 00:28:26,920 --> 00:28:33,520 Speaker 2: better than nothing, But again, next week storms might help 495 00:28:34,440 --> 00:28:38,080 Speaker 2: establish a pattern. You know, you get some rain for 496 00:28:38,360 --> 00:28:43,560 Speaker 2: many hours in sort of intervals that the region can accept, 497 00:28:43,960 --> 00:28:47,680 Speaker 2: and you get what might be some relief to this 498 00:28:47,760 --> 00:28:53,560 Speaker 2: drought situation. Meantime, as you know, it's against all of 499 00:28:53,560 --> 00:28:56,560 Speaker 2: this is against the backdrop of the cleanup that has 500 00:28:56,600 --> 00:29:00,520 Speaker 2: been controversial, the idea that you move a lot of 501 00:29:00,560 --> 00:29:04,680 Speaker 2: these toxic materials, materials that have been toxified by the fires, 502 00:29:05,040 --> 00:29:10,240 Speaker 2: that you move them through areas that a lot of 503 00:29:10,280 --> 00:29:13,360 Speaker 2: people live in and may not be happy with. You 504 00:29:13,440 --> 00:29:17,040 Speaker 2: have to move them. They have to clear these areas 505 00:29:17,080 --> 00:29:22,080 Speaker 2: for a rebuild, to reassess. But all these materials that 506 00:29:22,080 --> 00:29:24,719 Speaker 2: are being moved, as I say, they've been toxified, if 507 00:29:24,760 --> 00:29:28,280 Speaker 2: you will, they've become dangerous. And so those who are 508 00:29:28,280 --> 00:29:30,240 Speaker 2: dealing with the materials that are in the masks and those 509 00:29:30,240 --> 00:29:34,680 Speaker 2: who are helping to transfer and transport the materials are 510 00:29:34,680 --> 00:29:39,400 Speaker 2: also wearing masks and protective gear. But the route along 511 00:29:39,440 --> 00:29:43,720 Speaker 2: the way is controversial. So these controversies continue, and I 512 00:29:43,720 --> 00:29:46,880 Speaker 2: don't know really if there is a resolution except for 513 00:29:46,920 --> 00:29:49,360 Speaker 2: the fact that they've got to move them out. So 514 00:29:50,720 --> 00:29:55,920 Speaker 2: notwithstanding all of the issues that might be provoked by 515 00:29:56,040 --> 00:29:59,160 Speaker 2: the fact that a lot of this stuff is toxified. 516 00:29:58,920 --> 00:30:01,800 Speaker 3: The stuff still has to be moved. The other thing that's. 517 00:30:01,640 --> 00:30:06,560 Speaker 2: Happening is that schools are reopening, and that continues to 518 00:30:06,640 --> 00:30:10,200 Speaker 2: be an issue as well, because parents are worried about 519 00:30:10,240 --> 00:30:14,000 Speaker 2: their kids being in situations where they might be too 520 00:30:14,160 --> 00:30:18,960 Speaker 2: close to areas of the palisades and eaten fire zones. 521 00:30:20,160 --> 00:30:25,320 Speaker 2: For kids to really be in a healthy environment, it's 522 00:30:25,640 --> 00:30:29,560 Speaker 2: pretty tough. You want kids to resume their learning, resume 523 00:30:29,640 --> 00:30:33,640 Speaker 2: the social structure that's there at school, but there are 524 00:30:34,480 --> 00:30:39,160 Speaker 2: questions about health and safety. Should kids return to class 525 00:30:39,800 --> 00:30:43,240 Speaker 2: I mean, public health visuals are assuring families that the 526 00:30:43,280 --> 00:30:46,840 Speaker 2: schools have been cleaned, that they're safe, but campuses that 527 00:30:46,880 --> 00:30:52,800 Speaker 2: are close to these areas burned do raise questions, right. 528 00:30:53,520 --> 00:30:56,440 Speaker 2: I mean the schools themselves, they have been cleaned, and 529 00:30:56,480 --> 00:31:01,480 Speaker 2: they're staff by people who've been committed to cleaning their classrooms. 530 00:31:01,520 --> 00:31:05,280 Speaker 2: A lot of the teachers cleaned the classrooms themselves, but 531 00:31:05,400 --> 00:31:08,560 Speaker 2: that Canyon Charter Elementary School and Paul Revere Charter Middle 532 00:31:08,600 --> 00:31:12,600 Speaker 2: School and Pacific Palisades they have two thousand kids. They've 533 00:31:12,640 --> 00:31:18,400 Speaker 2: already welcomed those kids back, and there are other schools 534 00:31:18,520 --> 00:31:25,440 Speaker 2: there near the Palisades that haven't open. So as the 535 00:31:25,640 --> 00:31:28,480 Speaker 2: region and I just mean all of us deal with 536 00:31:28,520 --> 00:31:31,719 Speaker 2: the emotion with the loss. Just coming off that hugely 537 00:31:31,800 --> 00:31:36,200 Speaker 2: successful iHeart benefit the fire aid show from last night. 538 00:31:37,200 --> 00:31:42,080 Speaker 2: The destruction has been absolute and complete. I mean that 539 00:31:42,160 --> 00:31:46,040 Speaker 2: eat and fire. It burned out five campuses in the 540 00:31:46,040 --> 00:31:50,840 Speaker 2: Pepacady in the area, and the fire in the Palisades 541 00:31:51,160 --> 00:31:55,000 Speaker 2: burned out two elementary schools, damaged that Palisades Charter High School. 542 00:31:56,560 --> 00:31:59,520 Speaker 2: So judgments have to be made and decisions have to 543 00:31:59,560 --> 00:32:02,560 Speaker 2: be made about what areas are safe, what can be rebuilt, 544 00:32:03,000 --> 00:32:06,040 Speaker 2: and what strategies can be employed moving forward. All of 545 00:32:06,080 --> 00:32:10,840 Speaker 2: that continues to be an issue when we come back. 546 00:32:10,920 --> 00:32:13,160 Speaker 2: Brian Suits is going to join us to talk about 547 00:32:13,680 --> 00:32:17,680 Speaker 2: these black Hawk helicopters and these military maneuvers that seem 548 00:32:17,760 --> 00:32:23,920 Speaker 2: to be the thing that plagued this situation in Washington, 549 00:32:24,320 --> 00:32:26,800 Speaker 2: and not only plagued it to the point that this 550 00:32:26,920 --> 00:32:31,040 Speaker 2: accident happened, but plagued it as an issue that was 551 00:32:31,720 --> 00:32:37,920 Speaker 2: an evolving issue year after year, alongside passenger flights in Washington. 552 00:32:37,960 --> 00:32:41,280 Speaker 2: Brian Suits talks about all of that as we continue. 553 00:32:41,920 --> 00:32:44,080 Speaker 2: It's The John Coblt Show. 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