Speaker 1: My guest today's television personality Holly Madison, who is best
Speaker 1: known as Hugh Hefner's girlfriend and for her appearance in
Speaker 1: the reality show The Girls next Door. She's written two
Speaker 1: books about her life in the Playboy Mansion and now
Speaker 1: one of the co hosts of the podcast Girl Next Level.
Speaker 1: This is just be with Holly Madison. Let's get into it.
Speaker 1: How are you? Where are you live in Vegas?
Speaker 2: I'm in La right now. I go back and forth.
Speaker 1: You do, so, where's home base?
Speaker 2: In my heart? Vegas? But it's really like fifty to fifty.
Speaker 1: Did you grow up in Vegas?
Speaker 2: No, I've lived there for like the past fifteen years, though.
Speaker 1: And I hear it's sort of like Miami where people
Speaker 1: that live there aren't really in South Beach like on
Speaker 1: the Strip. And that's what I hear about Vegas, Like
Speaker 1: You're not like hanging out at Caesar's Palace.
Speaker 2: Yeah, for sure. When I was younger, I used to
Speaker 2: spend a ton of time on the Strip. But now
Speaker 2: now that I'm older, I take things easier.
Speaker 1: Yeah, And what is life like in Vegas?
Speaker 2: I always say it's like a small town and a
Speaker 2: big city combined, because you have everything there you'd want
Speaker 2: in a big city, like so much stuff to do,
Speaker 2: but it's kind of a small town vibe, you know.
Speaker 1: Do you go to like Lake Powell and the water
Speaker 1: and places like that on you know, for vacation or
Speaker 1: like those houseboats things like that.
Speaker 2: Sometimes usually when it gets too hot, I just head
Speaker 2: back to La though for a break.
Speaker 1: Okay, And what is work in Vegas? Now? So you
Speaker 1: have a very interesting story. I kind of would have
Speaker 1: known that peripherally obviously for what I've seen in the media,
Speaker 1: but after reading about you, just like you know, you
Speaker 1: see all these people that you hear about or you
Speaker 1: see in the press, and like you don't dig deep
Speaker 1: under the hood and like and I'm like, wow, Like
Speaker 1: I never really thought this much about Holly Madison and
Speaker 1: what a crazy, crazy ride in life. So I can't
Speaker 1: wait to talk to you about it.
Speaker 2: Yeah, totally. Yeah. As far as work, I shoot the
Speaker 2: Playboy Murtyers there and my other new true crime show
Speaker 2: weth Lee Blonde that's coming out in March. We shoot
Speaker 2: those in Vegas.
Speaker 1: So you have a pretty big, successful business that continues
Speaker 1: and thrives.
Speaker 2: I enjoy it. Yeah, thank you.
Speaker 1: Do you think that people are surprised, or that they
Speaker 1: think of you they've pigeonhole you, pigeonholed you as the
Speaker 1: girl in the playboy mansion, and that people don't really
Speaker 1: realize the kind of bread of business success that you've had.
Speaker 2: I think so, Yeah, people like to just narrow it
Speaker 2: down and be like, oh, the only reason you have
Speaker 2: anything as you are on Girls next Door, and they
Speaker 2: just because they're not paying attention, which obviously I don't
Speaker 2: expect everyone to play super close attention everything I'm doing,
Speaker 2: but people like to kind of boil it down to
Speaker 2: one thing and think that everything you know comes from that.
Speaker 2: But really I've been steadily working just on different things
Speaker 2: throughout my life.
Speaker 1: Yeah, and how many people have been on reality television
Speaker 1: and not created a successful business out of it. I mean,
Speaker 1: you haven't been on that kind of a mainstream show
Speaker 1: like myself for years. And similarly, oh they made you
Speaker 1: like they made me. I made them too, you know
Speaker 1: what I mean. Like it happens a lot.
Speaker 2: Yeah, you picked up the torch and you ran with it,
Speaker 2: and people don't want to give credit.
Speaker 1: You know, having lived in La I realize what a
Speaker 1: small town it is. I've worked for Jerry Bruckheimer and
Speaker 1: Lauren Michaels and I worked at La Scala, and I've
Speaker 1: had a million jobs, and you end up knowing everyone
Speaker 1: way more than New York or other places, like you
Speaker 1: know everyone and you know the assistance that become the
Speaker 1: studio heads. And having spent so many times at those
Speaker 1: Playboy parties and me living out there during that time,
Speaker 1: never being invited, but knowing people that would be there.
Speaker 1: That guy Shane Black remember, used to have those parties
Speaker 1: in loose Feeless, Like there were these big, sort of
Speaker 1: alluring parties that were famous in LA. Parties in Malibu.
Speaker 1: I came up at the same time as you, and
Speaker 1: everybody knew everybody. So the reason I mentioned that is
Speaker 1: that I wonder if you run into people a lot
Speaker 1: now who like know that you know where all the
Speaker 1: dead bodies are buried.
Speaker 2: Sometimes yeah, I mean as far as like other parties
Speaker 2: in LA. Wasn't really allowed to kind of go anywhere
Speaker 2: else too much once I was in the mansion, so
Speaker 2: it was kind of just that circle. But I do
Speaker 2: run into people a lot who are like, oh, well,
Speaker 2: I met you at the mansion, and I'm like, I
Speaker 2: don't know, I must have been drunk, like I was
Speaker 2: feel bad because so many people would come up and
Speaker 2: say hi. To happen. I would say hi as well,
Speaker 2: But it's a lot of people.
Speaker 1: Well, have you had any good business relationships? Because of
Speaker 1: people mostly men who were there at the house, Like
Speaker 1: there are a lot of executives, I know a lot
Speaker 1: of them, writers, agents, managers. I mean everybody used to go.
Speaker 1: There was no stigma to it like there would be now.
Speaker 2: I would say most of my connections that I carry
Speaker 2: through are more from E when we were doing girls door,
Speaker 2: not so much people I met at the mansion because
Speaker 2: for the big parties when more people would come, I
Speaker 2: was expected more to just like sit at the table
Speaker 2: with half the whole time, and I would say hi
Speaker 2: to people who came up and stuff. But I didn't
Speaker 2: really get the chance to know a lot of people.
Speaker 1: I understand, and for people that don't know, most people
Speaker 1: don't know. How did you get that opportunity? How did
Speaker 1: you become the top Hefner girl to be at that
Speaker 1: seat at the table, Like how did that happen? That process?
Speaker 1: And where were you living like the whole journey to
Speaker 1: get there.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I was in college and I was going to
Speaker 2: the Playboy Mansion parties, which were really like the cool
Speaker 2: parties at the time, and I started getting invited to
Speaker 2: the pool parties, the Fun and the sun Pool parties
Speaker 2: because those were a little more intimate. It was a
Speaker 2: much smaller guest list, and you know, I would chat
Speaker 2: with half a little bit and stuff. I felt like
Speaker 2: I kind of knew him, and a lot of the
Speaker 2: girlfriends of his would talk to me and like invite
Speaker 2: me out and stuff, And at first I didn't want
Speaker 2: to go, but then I decided, you know what, I
Speaker 2: kind of want to move in because I had two
Speaker 2: roommates at the time who were moving out, and I
Speaker 2: didn't really know anybody else, and my credit sucked and
Speaker 2: all that, and I thought, you know what, I should
Speaker 2: give this thing a try so I'm not homeless. I
Speaker 2: thought it would be fun based on the people I
Speaker 2: knew at the parties and like that level of access
Speaker 2: that I had. Right so I moved in and you know,
Speaker 2: got in over my head. I feel it was a
Speaker 2: much like more intense situation than I was expected. But
Speaker 2: as far as being the number one girlfriend, I feel
Speaker 2: like that happened because a few months after I moved in,
Speaker 2: the main girlfriend at the time was moving out, and
Speaker 2: everybody kind of knew that, and the other girls didn't
Speaker 2: want that spot, and they were like, oh, you know,
Speaker 2: I think Keath likes you the best. I think you're
Speaker 2: going to be the main girlfriend because you know, he
Speaker 2: and I would like watch movies together and things like that.
Speaker 2: And I always enjoyed like being down at the dinner
Speaker 2: table and kind of the quote unquote boring stuff that
Speaker 2: the other girls didn't want to do. So it kind
Speaker 2: of just naturally happened. It wasn't like something I had
Speaker 2: to fight anybody for anything like that.
Speaker 1: Was there a contract that had to be signed. Obviously
Speaker 1: there was an NBA, but with a salary and benefits,
Speaker 1: and it was as if you were taking like a
Speaker 1: real job.
Speaker 2: Absolutely not. I think a lot of people picture that.
Speaker 2: I think, you know, people love to be like you
Speaker 2: knew exactly what you were getting into. I think they
Speaker 2: picture that scene in Fifty Shades of Gray where she
Speaker 2: sits down at that conference table and she's given that
Speaker 2: fat stack of papers to sign. But it was nothing
Speaker 2: like that. There was no NDA, there was no contract,
Speaker 2: there was no benefits, really like he would pay for
Speaker 2: people's medical expenses and like doctor's appointments and stuff that
Speaker 2: lived there, but it was all very informal in that way.
Speaker 1: Well, I'm going to share something because I think that
Speaker 1: it's easy for people to judge that situation, people who
Speaker 1: have daughters, like, how the hell, how did your mother
Speaker 1: let you all of these things? And yet we see
Speaker 1: all these things happen. I lived in la and when
Speaker 1: I worked for Jerry Brookhimer, he had another house that
Speaker 1: he was renting out to different people, like Steve Tish
Speaker 1: who did for his gumber, Jennifer Tilly, one of the Tillies,
Speaker 1: and we got to be in that house Malibu, like
Speaker 1: that rich house, but we were like I was driving
Speaker 1: a Ford Probe and everybody would come in and out
Speaker 1: of that whole strip of beach that was whrest alone
Speaker 1: was you know, Carbon Canyon. This is this expensive people
Speaker 1: who don't know Malibu strip that Now the houses are
Speaker 1: fifty sixty one hundred million dollars. This house was probably
Speaker 1: like five six million then. And down the street was
Speaker 1: a man named Kevin O'Donnell, and he rented out Bruce
Speaker 1: Willis's house, and he had come into new big tech
Speaker 1: bubble money and he used to have these big parties,
Speaker 1: and my friend was friends with him, so we were
Speaker 1: good friends with him. And every weekend we were girls
Speaker 1: that got to hang out at this house where every
Speaker 1: power agent, the people running Hollywood, now no exaggeration, like
Speaker 1: Oliver Stone was through there, Patrick White, so Us, every
Speaker 1: Leo Decap, everybody was through these houses. And there were
Speaker 1: these amazing parties, and it was so great to be
Speaker 1: like the girls. And we didn't hook up with anybody,
Speaker 1: wouldn't have to do anything, but the girls that were
Speaker 1: friends with this guy who was really wasted all the time.
Speaker 1: We became friends with his wife too, that they had
Speaker 1: like an interesting marriage. We were too young to understand
Speaker 1: non traditional marriages and billionaires and tech money, but we
Speaker 1: loved being able to hang out there. We were poor
Speaker 1: girls that were like getting to eat and drink like
Speaker 1: for free, and have massages and go to these parties
Speaker 1: and meet people. And it was like, I'm glad for
Speaker 1: the stories that happened. I'm sure we could have gotten
Speaker 1: ourselves into trouble. I grew up at the racetrack really
Speaker 1: down and dirty, so I was able to handle myself.
Speaker 1: But I relate to what I think you were saying,
Speaker 1: and the story you're going to tell because that's what
Speaker 1: LA was for many people.
Speaker 2: Yeah, totally. You know, for somebody like a young girl
Speaker 2: from the middle of nowhere, it's a very expensive place
Speaker 2: to live, especially if you don't know anybody. So yeah,
Speaker 2: if you got an opportunity like that, people want to
Speaker 2: take it.
Speaker 1: And what did you want to be when you grew up.
Speaker 2: I didn't have anything particular in mind. I wanted to
Speaker 2: do something in the entertainment industry. I wasn't sure why.
Speaker 2: I definitely wanted to to be in Playboy. I was
Speaker 2: just auditioning and doing all the things, but trying to
Speaker 2: keep my grades up in college to keep my scholarships
Speaker 2: and work as full time as I could, you know,
Speaker 2: to pay the rent, and also audition. I was just
Speaker 2: kind of failing at all of it because I was
Speaker 2: trying to do too much.
Speaker 1: And what about the sexual aspect, like having sex with
Speaker 1: multiple partners and it's almost like what is it called
Speaker 1: polyamorous or like what was that dynamic between the women?
Speaker 1: It sounds like it's from not only another generation, but
Speaker 1: another culture.
Speaker 2: I mean, I didn't get along with a lot of
Speaker 2: the girls. It was really uncomfortable. You know, nobody wants
Speaker 2: to be Well, some people do, I guess, but I
Speaker 2: don't want to be like really in a room, you know,
Speaker 2: having sex with somebody and then having all these other
Speaker 2: people around, like all these other girls watching. So that
Speaker 2: was really like embarrassing and uncomfortable.
Speaker 1: And that does sound like that move that show, the
Speaker 1: Vow the cult, where like this male figure it has
Speaker 1: these compartmentalized relationships with different people, very strategically, very intentionally,
Speaker 1: and each person is you're the favorite and I love
Speaker 1: you in a different way, or you know, I was
Speaker 1: met was I was represented by Kendra's agent also, so
Speaker 1: I knew her priferly and I've met her, but like, oh,
Speaker 1: you're the cute, sporty one, it's different for you. And
Speaker 1: that's why I think it's interesting that you've talked about
Speaker 1: Stockholm syndrome and the word cult has been thrown around
Speaker 1: because it's a situation where a male figure in power
Speaker 1: is making all these women feel special in a certain way,
Speaker 1: but like not really wanting them to let each other
Speaker 1: know that relationship.
Speaker 2: Yeah. Absolutely, there was definitely a lot of two faced
Speaker 2: stuff going on, you know, letting some girls get away
Speaker 2: with some things but not others. Telling one girl one thing.
Speaker 2: You know, he loved the drama, he loved the girl's fighting,
Speaker 2: and for the longest time, I just didn't see it.
Speaker 2: I thought we were super close, and I always kind
Speaker 2: of blamed it on the other girls for the longest time,
Speaker 2: and I didn't really wake up to that until I
Speaker 2: was about ready to leave.
Speaker 1: I coming from housewives, find it interesting, and I can't
Speaker 1: help but say that it's interesting how the men and
Speaker 1: I'm not the woman who's always calling like, oh, the
Speaker 1: men are the devil. I'm not that person. I've never
Speaker 1: been that person. I'm just a strong person and that's
Speaker 1: why I'm successful. But I will say there's a dynamic
Speaker 1: where the men, like I see Andy Cohen running this
Speaker 1: whole operation of women, but he never gets dirty. The
Speaker 1: women are fighting with each other and often on his show,
Speaker 1: it's like the intersection of driving more conflict by getting
Speaker 1: people to talk about each other, but he remains clean.
Speaker 1: And I think that's interesting that you're saying that all
Speaker 1: the girls who are supposed to be supporting each other
Speaker 1: are fighting. It happens on The Bachelor too, the Bachelor
Speaker 1: sitting over there, the women are all fighting with each other,
Speaker 1: and the man is remaining clean while women tear each
Speaker 1: other down, rip each other apart, and somehow the power
Speaker 1: figure is like the king watching the jesters entertain him.
Speaker 2: Yeah. It's really toxic for sure. And that was definitely
Speaker 2: going on. There interesting a lot of wisted energy, I feel.
Speaker 1: Yeah. And what about so you're divorced now, so you're
Speaker 1: a single mom?
Speaker 2: Yeah? I mean, well, I don't call myself a single mom.
Speaker 2: I don't really like it when people who are divorced,
Speaker 2: who have a father who's involved with the kids and
Speaker 2: doing half the work. I don't like it when people
Speaker 2: say single mom. Not to be judgy, but you know,
Speaker 2: there's a lot of women out there who really have
Speaker 2: to do it themselves and don't have help. So I'm
Speaker 2: single and the mom, But I wouldn't I get that.
Speaker 1: I like that because you're co parent And yeah, so
Speaker 1: you have a good co parent.
Speaker 2: Absolutely, he's a great dad. I'm really really lucky.
Speaker 1: Wow. Okay. And what about romantic life and dating?
Speaker 2: I've been dating the same guy for four years, so
Speaker 2: it's good.
Speaker 1: Okay. And what do you do you do you want
Speaker 1: to get married again?
Speaker 2: I'm not opposed to it, but it's not like on
Speaker 2: my bucket list. I feel like I had my dream
Speaker 2: wedding and all that when I was married the first time,
Speaker 2: so I'm not like focused on it.
Speaker 1: I get that too, because at a certain you're younger
Speaker 1: than I, but at a certain age you're like you
Speaker 1: were married. It does become another contract and an entanglement
Speaker 1: with another person that might not be necessary if you
Speaker 1: don't plan to have more kids, for example, Yeah, exactly, okay,
Speaker 1: and you're both going back and forth from Vegas to
Speaker 1: La or the bas is Vegas.
Speaker 2: We're both we're both back and forth.
Speaker 1: Yeah, okay. So if you were sitting on the plane
Speaker 1: next to someone and they said what do you do
Speaker 1: for a living? What would you say? They didn't know
Speaker 1: who you were.
Speaker 2: I usually just say I'm a writer.
Speaker 1: You usually say I'm a writer, And then what have
Speaker 1: you written? You just tell about and talk about.
Speaker 2: Your books, and yeah, yeah, I say I write memoirs.
Speaker 2: You know. Sometimes sometimes if I meet somebody and they
Speaker 2: ask too many questions, I get really shy and I
Speaker 2: probably say a bunch of weird shit I don't know.
Speaker 1: And and that too, you think people think because you're shy,
Speaker 1: you can be like bitchy or judgmental. You said you.
Speaker 1: I read something about you saying that people you don't
Speaker 1: know when people are finished talking.
Speaker 2: Yeah. Yeah, I'm on the spectrum and I have what
Speaker 2: they call flat effect, which means you have a really
Speaker 2: monotone voice and your face doesn't show a lot of expressions.
Speaker 2: So you know, people have always thought I was super
Speaker 2: stuck up or mean or whatever. So that's kind of
Speaker 2: like something I've had to learn to handle and like
Speaker 2: adjust to you a little bit.
Speaker 1: Does it help you because you seem unbothered?
Speaker 2: Yeah for sure. I mean well, also, like I'm forty
Speaker 2: four and I just feel like I've been this way
Speaker 2: for so long. I'm not really trying to change too
Speaker 2: much anymore.
Speaker 1: So does all the Jeffrey Epstein stuff trigger you thinking
Speaker 1: about a man like that and all these young women?
Speaker 1: Back to what I was saying before, Like, when you
Speaker 1: hear about that, what do you think?
Speaker 2: I mean, it's so crazy. I feel like we probably
Speaker 2: don't even know the half of what's going on. It's
Speaker 2: such a weird, secretive thing, and it's really terrifying, and
Speaker 2: I feel awful that those things happen to those women.
Speaker 2: It's really scary.
Speaker 1: And do you do anything, like is that part of
Speaker 1: your platform, like with charity or anything sort of like,
Speaker 1: is there a message for younger women who are doe
Speaker 1: ied coming into these you know, who are young in
Speaker 1: their twenties, coming into situations, like how to navigate them,
Speaker 1: how to not make the same mistakes maybe that you've made,
Speaker 1: or even just cautionary tales. Yeah.
Speaker 2: I think it's so important for us to share our
Speaker 2: stories so other people can learn from them. I feel
Speaker 2: like now, you know, in the mainstream media and just
Speaker 2: on podcasts and stuff, people are having conversations about things
Speaker 2: that they never would have talked about when I was twenty,
Speaker 2: you know what I mean. Just there's a lot less
Speaker 2: shame involved in talking about sex and talking about interpersonal relationships,
Speaker 2: and I think that's so amazing. Even, you know, scrolling
Speaker 2: TikTok on my for you page, I see so much
Speaker 2: stuff I can relate to you, whether it's relationship stuff
Speaker 2: or other people who are in narcissistic abuse relationships, or
Speaker 2: you know, other people who are on the spectrum. I
Speaker 2: just think that we live in such an amazing age
Speaker 2: as far as learning from one another.
Speaker 1: It's so true. Everyone's talking about everything now. So do
Speaker 1: you consider yourself a hustler, Like, are you still working
Speaker 1: as hard as you've ever worked? Are you slowing down
Speaker 1: at all? And what's driving you now? Is it money?
Speaker 1: Is it success? Is it trying to stay relevant knowing
Speaker 1: that the landscape has changed.
Speaker 2: I definitely still feel like a hustler, but I'm really
Speaker 2: careful to like divide my time fifty to fifty. You know,
Speaker 2: I have joint custody with my ex husband, so when
Speaker 2: I'm with my kids, I try and put my phone
Speaker 2: away as much as possible and just completely focus on them.
Speaker 2: So like my hustling time is definitely way more limited
Speaker 2: than it used to be. But I still feel like
Speaker 2: I'm a hustler. And then like shit goes wrong, you know,
Speaker 2: like Bridgett and I met up. She's my co host
Speaker 2: for my podcast, and we we batch recorded a bunch
Speaker 2: of stuff, so we're like, we're not going to be
Speaker 2: together for the next six weeks, and then the audio
Speaker 2: was messed up on all this stuff, so now we
Speaker 2: have to last minute, Like we just were together like
Speaker 2: late last night and then again this week. It's like
Speaker 2: my worst nightmare, but you know, we have fun doing it,
Speaker 2: and I just feel like like I'm definitely not resting
Speaker 2: when it comes to that side of my life. And
Speaker 2: as far as what drives me, I don't even know
Speaker 2: what drives me. You know. I was in a place
Speaker 2: where I was married and doing really well financially and
Speaker 2: had two amazing kids, and I just kind of had
Speaker 2: this weird feeling that I still needed to be putting
Speaker 2: something out there and I couldn't really feel what it was.
Speaker 2: And now looking back, I think it's more, you know,
Speaker 2: I'm sharing my story for a reason because it might
Speaker 2: help other people who can relate or might be like
Speaker 2: on the brink of getting into some sort of situation.
Speaker 2: So it's just kind of this weird, like internal thing.
Speaker 2: I'm also a Capricorn, so I'm just never going to
Speaker 2: stop working.
Speaker 1: I get what you're saying in that, and you're younger
Speaker 1: than I am, but it starts to be where you're stacking,
Speaker 1: where you have kids and you want the quality versus quantity.
Speaker 1: So you're like it started when they were napping as babies,
Speaker 1: where you're like, all right, now is when I go
Speaker 1: get my manicure, like this is it? Like this is
Speaker 1: you know, and then then they get older and you're like, okay,
Speaker 1: they're at school, we're doing this, or I don't have
Speaker 1: my child for this time. When you first start getting
Speaker 1: a divorce, you're having anxiety about that time apart, but
Speaker 1: it becomes valuable time because then you can be totally
Speaker 1: present with them and totally present without them. I feel
Speaker 1: I relate to that one hundred percent, and it's very
Speaker 1: it's like chunks, so you can define them versus like
Speaker 1: they say that moms now spend more time in many
Speaker 1: cases with their kids than the fifties moms that didn't
Speaker 1: work because they were like drinking wine, smoking cigarettes, let
Speaker 1: the kid out the back, like it wasn't. Just because
Speaker 1: you are with your kids doesn't mean you're really with
Speaker 1: your kids. So you can do it both ways exactly.
Speaker 2: And I'm really grateful for my schedule and I feel
Speaker 2: like it works really well for me and allows me
Speaker 2: to put my attention where it's best used.
Speaker 1: I feel like, yeah, you're like me. Your life is
Speaker 1: defined by the calendar, like for sure it makes you
Speaker 1: feel safe. Yeah, same, And I also relate to like,
Speaker 1: at a certain point, you're kind of like I'm sort
Speaker 1: of might be almost retiring, Like I have enough money,
Speaker 1: don't need to work, Like I don't want to feel
Speaker 1: that like stripped stress I used to feel when I
Speaker 1: was climbing, and then you pull back a little and
Speaker 1: then you're like, I want to dip in a little more,
Speaker 1: like I want to be doing something, but I want
Speaker 1: to really only be doing what I want to be
Speaker 1: doing or I'm passionate about.
Speaker 2: Yeah. Absolutely, there's just if you feel like you have
Speaker 2: something to share, something to contribute that somebody might benefit from.
Speaker 2: It's like this calling you have and you can't ignore it.
Speaker 1: I feel, yes, And what do you think about now
Speaker 1: that being in twenty twenty four versus television really being
Speaker 1: one of the only outlets. It used to be the
Speaker 1: TV was really where you had to have a platform,
Speaker 1: But now you have social media and now you could
Speaker 1: do YouTube, you could do Instagram, you could do anything.
Speaker 2: One hundred percent, I'm so grateful for social media and
Speaker 2: just being able to share and speak out, Like I
Speaker 2: talk about it on my podcast all the time. Bridget
Speaker 2: and I are always talking about you know, the old
Speaker 2: Girls Nextdoor episodes, and you know what things were like
Speaker 2: back then, and things were so different because you really
Speaker 2: couldn't speak out if somebody else was putting a narrative
Speaker 2: out about you. That was just what everybody believed full stop.
Speaker 2: Like back then, we had MySpace pages and you could
Speaker 2: write like a little post if you wanted, and maybe
Speaker 2: somebody would pick up on it. But it wasn't that,
Speaker 2: you know, important, It didn't have the weight that social
Speaker 2: media does now. And just I even feel like for
Speaker 2: me during the pandemic, when I started a YouTube and
Speaker 2: started at TikTok, it was the first time I learned
Speaker 2: to really be genuine, like talking to a camera and
Speaker 2: really feeling like I was connecting to people because on
Speaker 2: the reality shows I was always so scared and like
Speaker 2: holding back and like scared of being embarrassed and things
Speaker 2: like that. So I'm really grateful for those outlets for sure.
Speaker 1: So you feel in control of your edit, I mean,
Speaker 1: and you don't miss traditional television.
Speaker 2: No, the stuff I work on now, it's true crime,
Speaker 2: so it's more documentary. I feel like that's better suited
Speaker 2: to me. I'm super interested in it. I don't miss
Speaker 2: like doing reality TV.
Speaker 1: I don't either, I really don't, because you're not in
Speaker 1: control and you put something in the oven that comes
Speaker 1: out six months later and you don't know literally what's
Speaker 1: coming out of.
Speaker 2: The oven exactly. It's scary.
Speaker 1: It's scary in each week you're living it and like
Speaker 1: biting your nails just to see her safe.
Speaker 2: Yeah, for sure.
Speaker 1: And then that defines what people are going to think
Speaker 1: of you, and you have to live that out in
Speaker 1: the press. It's like a machine and it feels like
Speaker 1: Mark Cuban I think it was said to me. We
Speaker 1: were talking about cable and places like Bravo, et cetera,
Speaker 1: and he was like, it's streamers for old people. I
Speaker 1: was laughing, like, you know, it's it's interesting. Now, what
Speaker 1: about your kids? It's Rainbow and Forrest. How old are they?
Speaker 2: Ten and seven?
Speaker 1: Okay, so Rainbow's ten? So does she have any understanding
Speaker 1: about your past? Does she have any judgment? Does she
Speaker 1: get it?
Speaker 2: Like?
Speaker 1: What does she? Does she even know you're famous?
Speaker 2: No, she doesn't know anything about it. She knows people
Speaker 2: come up to me sometimes and she knows I have
Speaker 2: a podcast and a YouTube, but she doesn't know the content.
Speaker 1: I get it because it takes It won't happen until
Speaker 1: like thirteen years old, where they'll they just start scrolling
Speaker 1: and my daughter's all over it too, but it doesn't
Speaker 1: they they disconnect somehow, which is actually positive. Okay, yeah,
Speaker 1: they discnt you're a big reader.
Speaker 2: I do love reading. I don't have as much time
Speaker 2: to read anymore as I would like, but yeah, I
Speaker 2: just finished an autobiography from one of the women from
Speaker 2: one of the cases of the Playboy murders, because obviously
Speaker 2: i'd studied the case before as we were filming it,
Speaker 2: but I hadn't read her full autobiography. But I wanted
Speaker 2: to get into that before I started doing press for it,
Speaker 2: so I just finished that. It was really interesting, and
Speaker 2: I'm reading the Rick Rubin book now. It's like a
Speaker 2: all about art and getting into your creative process.
Speaker 1: Yes, Paul, my fiance, is a big reader. He read
Speaker 1: that book too. Do you watch a lot of mystery
Speaker 1: on TV?
Speaker 2: I grew up loving unsolved mysteries. That was my favorite thing,
Speaker 2: and I think that's kind of what got me along
Speaker 2: the track to being what I'm into now. I do
Speaker 2: enjoy true crime programming and true crime podcasts.
Speaker 1: I just subscribed to BritBox because anything with like some small, dark,
Speaker 1: rainy town where there's like a murder that's unsolved or
Speaker 1: a kidnap, it like, I get so sucked in. Paul's
Speaker 1: on into that stuff. He didn't like anything international. He
Speaker 1: wants it to be in the United States. I don't
Speaker 1: know why. Like if it's like from Scotland, He's like, no,
Speaker 1: it's got it's just like a thing, you know, where
Speaker 1: you're attracted to things on TV. And if it's Scotland,
Speaker 1: if it's like a bizarre like Dublin suburb or Scotland,
Speaker 1: I'm like.
Speaker 2: In that's so funny. I'm desperate to go to Scotland. Like,
Speaker 2: out of all the places I haven't visited, that's the
Speaker 2: one I'm so excited to go to.
Speaker 1: Why.
Speaker 2: I love anything kind of creepy and eerie and there's
Speaker 2: so many ghost stories and I just love the old school,
Speaker 2: like old Harry Potter look to everything and the atmosphere
Speaker 2: and then like the Isle of Sky and all like
Speaker 2: the you know, mystical stuff.
Speaker 1: I'm dying to go to Morocco.
Speaker 2: Ooh that's so cool.
Speaker 1: Yeah, Like that's my that's my place, like yours of
Speaker 1: Scotland where it's just like just like I could I
Speaker 1: want to eat out of the tajin and the couscous
Speaker 1: and like the mystical and the bell rings at night,
Speaker 1: like you know, it's just like very spiritual, mystical, and
Speaker 1: I'm I'm I want that feeling.
Speaker 2: I want you got to do it.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I think a lot about traditional relationships and non
Speaker 1: traditional relationships. And I bring that up because when we're younger,
Speaker 1: it's the fairy tale and everybody just I'm starting to
Speaker 1: believe half the people want to get married just to
Speaker 1: be able to have the wedding and buy the dress,
Speaker 1: and then people have these ideals about what it's supposed
Speaker 1: to be. But now being in my fifties, having a
Speaker 1: fiance who lives in Boston, having my own career, having
Speaker 1: my own money, not needing to depend upon anyone for anything,
Speaker 1: I think about traditional and non traditional because most people
Speaker 1: that I know who have sustained very long relationships, it's
Speaker 1: some version of non traditional.
Speaker 2: Oh that's so interesting.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I just want to talk about where you the
Speaker 1: relationship that you were in which was so high profile
Speaker 1: and so non traditional, that I want to know where
Speaker 1: you stand on traditional versus non traditional relationships.
Speaker 2: I mean, I'm very non judgmental about what anybody wants
Speaker 2: to do. As far as like being monogamous. I'm not
Speaker 2: traditional in that way. I don't like, you know, people
Speaker 2: messing around.
Speaker 1: With other people saying saying, well, I.
Speaker 2: Do think it's so important for everybody to design their
Speaker 2: own relationship and have their own boundaries and give each
Speaker 2: other their own space and respect their own time. So
Speaker 2: it's it's almost like the thing with the coming back
Speaker 2: to the kids and putting your full attention, so you're
Speaker 2: excited to see each other again. And I think I
Speaker 2: bet a lot of people are scared to even try
Speaker 2: that because they want to, you know, show this united
Speaker 2: front at all times, and they're scared of judgment and
Speaker 2: what are the people in the neighborhood going to say.
Speaker 2: But I think it's so important for each couple to
Speaker 2: communicate and kind of like design what works for them.
Speaker 1: I think so too, and I think it evolves. And
Speaker 1: I think one of the biggest problems for the younger
Speaker 1: generation is that no one's telling them the truth about that.
Speaker 1: When you're in your twenties, you think, what are we
Speaker 1: doing for dinner? What are we doing this weekend? We
Speaker 1: go to your parents, ask my parents as we go
Speaker 1: on a vacation, what we like. We are one person
Speaker 1: and it's not realistic. What if one person likes to
Speaker 1: go to the beach, the other person likes to go skiing.
Speaker 1: One person likes to party the other part since boring
Speaker 1: goes to bed at nine o'clock at night. I have
Speaker 1: a friend who's been married for thirty five years who
Speaker 1: he goes to bed at nine and her night starts.
Speaker 1: She's on the treadmill, she's eating her candy, she's watching
Speaker 1: her show, she's drinking her cocktails. She goes to bed
Speaker 1: at one o'clock. She's different life.
Speaker 2: Those are some of the best relationships. I think everybody's
Speaker 2: allowed to thrive, and then people come together when they want.
Speaker 1: Yeah, and now also with sixty percent divorce, if you
Speaker 1: have two separate individuals, each individual might have children, different jobs,
Speaker 1: different like you know, I have my time with my daughter.
Speaker 1: I have my time with my daughter and Paul, I
Speaker 1: have my time with all of us, blending, I have
Speaker 1: my time alone. Like there aren't that many, you know,
Speaker 1: even more than quadrants. It's broken up into fifths that
Speaker 1: you can't do it like a one size fits all.
Speaker 2: Yeah, absolutely, I agree with that one hundred percent.
Speaker 1: I think I want to talk about that just more
Speaker 1: as a general concept because I just think that young
Speaker 1: women want that ring and that dress, but they don't
Speaker 1: understand that like you can't depend upon another person, you
Speaker 1: can't be another person, which is also connected to financial
Speaker 1: independence too, I think, by the.
Speaker 2: Way, yeah, absolutely, it's so important to maintain your financial
Speaker 2: independence one hundred percent. Even if you even if you
Speaker 2: think you're never going to have to work again, like
Speaker 2: you could be surprised. And also things will happen to you,
Speaker 2: like if you decide to not work for a year
Speaker 2: and you want some kind of refinancing on something later,
Speaker 2: you know, people will tell you, oh, well, why weren't
Speaker 2: you working for a year, And it's like, well, I
Speaker 2: just had my second kid and I didn't have to,
Speaker 2: but they'll hold it against you.
Speaker 1: I find that even in a situation where the people
Speaker 1: really are equals and it's a partnership, I find that
Speaker 1: money is always going to be a source of power
Speaker 1: and control. And I find that if you're not, as
Speaker 1: a woman making your own money something, it does even
Speaker 1: if you have to you don't even realize you have
Speaker 1: to ask somebody to buy something you want. You want
Speaker 1: an apartment, even if it's a small studio apartment. You
Speaker 1: have to ask permission to do this, to do that
Speaker 1: because it's quote unquote a partnership. So everybody you know
Speaker 1: who wants to ask permission to do something if you
Speaker 1: don't have to, I mean, or have some or have
Speaker 1: to do something you don't want to do because you're
Speaker 1: not the one making the money.
Speaker 2: Yeah, exactly, one hundred percent. I agree.
Speaker 1: You know, it's like even a situation like I find
Speaker 1: that there's a dynamic where young girls have to play
Speaker 1: the game, like with the in laws, or different dynamics
Speaker 1: because they're not the ones making the gold.
Speaker 2: Yeah, for sure.
Speaker 1: I just think it's an interesting thing money and the
Speaker 1: idea of tradition. What was your childhood like like? Was
Speaker 1: it quote unquote normal?
Speaker 2: I mean, I had two parents who are together. They're
Speaker 2: still together now, they're great. We lived in Alaska, out
Speaker 2: in the midd of nowhere for the longest time, and
Speaker 2: then I moved to Oregon when I was in junior high.
Speaker 2: I think probably the biggest obstacle for me was just
Speaker 2: like being on the spectrum and not knowing it and
Speaker 2: maybe having a little more trouble making friends. So I
Speaker 2: felt really isolated, and I think that's part of the
Speaker 2: reason I kind of wanted to get into the entertainment industry.
Speaker 2: I felt like being known was like a shortcut to
Speaker 2: feeling connected with people through like those parasocial relationships, or
Speaker 2: even why it was so easy for me to bond
Speaker 2: with hef is he's so good at making people feel special,
Speaker 2: and I start to think, oh, well, I never really
Speaker 2: connected with guys my own age. Maybe this is just
Speaker 2: like the person who's meant for me, When really I
Speaker 2: can look back and be like, no, girl, you're just
Speaker 2: wired differently.
Speaker 1: Were you in love with him? Did you love him?
Speaker 2: Yeah, after I'd been there a while, I did. I
Speaker 2: think it was kind of Stockholm syndrome me though, where
Speaker 2: I felt very much identified by with or identified with
Speaker 2: the person who made all the rules. And especially since
Speaker 2: the girls in the house were pitted against each other,
Speaker 2: you start to feel a little more isolated and like
Speaker 2: you know that man is the one person you can
Speaker 2: rely on.
Speaker 1: Kind of do you ultimately feel like you could rely
Speaker 1: on him? Or it was the it was literally the
Speaker 1: quintessential conditional love relationship.
Speaker 2: Oh, it's definitely conditional, Like you had to follow every
Speaker 2: role to a tee, show up to everything, couldn't really
Speaker 2: have a sick day.
Speaker 1: Did he leave any of you anything?
Speaker 2: Well, I wasn't with him when he passed I was
Speaker 2: in the will. I know that before I left, but
Speaker 2: then I broke it off with him, So.
Speaker 1: You were in the wall before you left, and I
Speaker 1: also having had a very challenging father, I relate to
Speaker 1: feeling somewhat dispassionate when someone passes away, and like everyone
Speaker 1: else is judging that experience for you, and how can
Speaker 1: you be you know, people so many times get up
Speaker 1: at a funeral and other people are rolling their eyes
Speaker 1: the way they're talking about the person that passed the
Speaker 1: way because they have to say something positive because someone's
Speaker 1: you're respecting someone who's past. But there's a lot of
Speaker 1: complicated feelings about it. So you didn't did you feel
Speaker 1: something negative? Did you feel nothing? Did you feel relieved?
Speaker 2: I didn't really feel anything. You know, he was so
Speaker 2: much older. I kind of felt it was coming relatively soon.
Speaker 2: And for me, you know, I was really emotionally involved
Speaker 2: in the relationship when I was in it. But when
Speaker 2: I decided to leave, it was because I really was
Speaker 2: realizing he wasn't the person I was idealizing in my head,
Speaker 2: and he was very deceptive and very much playing me
Speaker 2: off of other people. So when I made the move
Speaker 2: to leave, my image of him kind of shattered in
Speaker 2: my mind, and I realized I never really knew this person,
Speaker 2: you know. And there would be times, you know, I
Speaker 2: would still be shooting my spinoff show for E and
Speaker 2: like the producer knew Heff and was always trying to
Speaker 2: get me on the phone with Heaf or shoot scenes
Speaker 2: with Helf, and sometimes I would, but I never really
Speaker 2: want to have like a conversation with him because I
Speaker 2: was just I just felt like he was so fake.
Speaker 2: Everything he said to me, it was just designed to
Speaker 2: manipulate or create a certain impression or keep me on
Speaker 2: his good side. So it's almost like he became this
Speaker 2: kind of robot in my mind, almost this non person.
Speaker 2: So it's hard to feel anything when you feel like
Speaker 2: you've never really known them, which is so weird to
Speaker 2: say because we spent almost every day of seven years together.
Speaker 1: Jesus.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 1: Well, it's funny you say that because I've heard other
Speaker 1: people in even way longer marriages say that they're not
Speaker 1: connected to their partner, Like some people play different roles.
Speaker 1: One's the breadwinner, and it's fun and we're going on
Speaker 1: these activities and we're going out to dinner, and we're
Speaker 1: going out with other couples and we travel, you can
Speaker 1: really burn a lot of time with a lot of bullshit, right,
Speaker 1: And I've heard people say like, we don't really sit
Speaker 1: down and talk about anything like in long marriages. And
Speaker 1: it's weird to realize that, but you could see how
Speaker 1: it happens.
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's sad how that just kind of gets lost,
Speaker 2: you know. And then I think people feel kind of
Speaker 2: alienated or nervous to try and like flip the script
Speaker 2: a little bit. They just kind of get stuck in
Speaker 2: a rut.
Speaker 1: Well, because that's a dynamic and it's been set up
Speaker 1: and it's a it's sort of like sex if sex
Speaker 1: is always the same and you're gonna be that weirdo
Speaker 1: that it's like hey, spank me, or let's hang from a swing.
Speaker 1: It's like a weird thing to be doing with like
Speaker 1: a friend that you've been living with for so long
Speaker 1: that it's like, wait, what are you doing? You don't
Speaker 1: do that. It's like, wait, you eat parsley. You don't
Speaker 1: eat parsley. Now you want to be spanked? Like you
Speaker 1: know what I mean? Yeah exactly, it's like one day
Speaker 1: you want to do things differently. It freaks the other
Speaker 1: person out.
Speaker 2: Yeah, for sure.
Speaker 1: Have you had a have you had challenges trusting in
Speaker 1: relationships since then?
Speaker 2: One hundred percent. Yeah. Like when I would start dating
Speaker 2: after that, I would take a really long time to
Speaker 2: get to know somebody, and I would kind of like
Speaker 2: prevent myself from getting attached for like at least six
Speaker 2: months because I feel like I had a couple really
Speaker 2: ships back to back that were very kind of similar,
Speaker 2: kind of like controlling narcissistic people, and I just learned
Speaker 2: that I need to like chill for like six months
Speaker 2: because that's the window I feel just talking with other
Speaker 2: friends who've been through it, where somebody will try to
Speaker 2: like get their hooks in you and get you to
Speaker 2: move in and get you to be financially dependent on them,
Speaker 2: and then they start showing their true colors. So it's
Speaker 2: definitely made me like slow down with like dating and
Speaker 2: getting to know people.
Speaker 1: Because that's like the methadone. You're kind of going towards
Speaker 1: a similar drug, just like a lesser intense version.
Speaker 2: Yeah, people are definitely attracted to similar types of people.
Speaker 2: It can be a pattern. So yes, I once I
Speaker 2: recognized that, I got really careful.
Speaker 1: And did you fully break the pattern or are you
Speaker 1: attracted to that, but you intervene.
Speaker 2: I feel like the pattern's been broken, Like there's certain
Speaker 2: I guess personality traits or things I find attractive that
Speaker 2: might be the same, But I'm with a really good
Speaker 2: guy now, so it's not the same kind of like
Speaker 2: person trying to dominate all my time or trying to
Speaker 2: control what I do, or trying to say you need
Speaker 2: to be here this time, things like that.
Speaker 1: And do you feel like people also have not trusted
Speaker 1: you for the same reason.
Speaker 2: Probably, Yeah, I think people are afraid that I'm going
Speaker 2: to write a book about them, Oh, things like that,
Speaker 2: or so that I would start dating someone and then
Speaker 2: all his friends will come out of the wood work
Speaker 2: and be like, bro, she's just a gold digger, bro,
Speaker 2: you know.
Speaker 1: To right that, Yeah, I could tech at one hundred
Speaker 1: percent see that. And then do you feel the need
Speaker 1: that you have to prove yourself to the men, like
Speaker 1: in business meetings or et cetera, to like, be like,
Speaker 1: I'm not the you know, the Chrissy from Three's Company.
Speaker 1: You know, Suzanne Summers went through this and she was
Speaker 1: the smartest of them all. Be like, I'm not the
Speaker 1: dumb blonde character.
Speaker 2: Probably, I don't really think about it too much when
Speaker 2: I'm having the interactions or in the meeting, because I
Speaker 2: feel like when people meet me and talk to me,
Speaker 2: they realize kind of right away that I'm not like
Speaker 2: that high pitched girl with a pageant smile in My
Speaker 2: Girl's next Door interview. You know, it's just a totally
Speaker 2: different thing.
Speaker 1: Amazing. Wow. Well, I have to say that when it
Speaker 1: said you have had a diverse career and what I
Speaker 1: read about you, they weren't kidding. I really thought it
Speaker 1: was so interesting. I love reading about people and then
Speaker 1: meeting them, and like, now I know you, and I
Speaker 1: know you more than I know people that I actually know,
Speaker 1: because I really, you know, looked into it. I guess
Speaker 1: the last question is do you what percentage do you
Speaker 1: think you've been lucky and what percentage smart?
Speaker 2: Oh? Well, you know what, I think it's kind of
Speaker 2: more smart. I've definitely had opportunities, obviously, like being able
Speaker 2: to be at the Plateway Mansion led to the reality show,
Speaker 2: But I don't ever feel like things even there were
Speaker 2: handed to me real easily like maybe some I've seen
Speaker 2: other people come through there who were a lot more lucky.
Speaker 2: I feel like I always had to be prepared. I
Speaker 2: always had to know what I want. I always had
Speaker 2: to have my vision board. You know. They always say
Speaker 2: like success is a combination of preparation luck, but I
Speaker 2: feel like maybe it's just like the Capricorn in me,
Speaker 2: But I feel like it's a lot more preparation. Like
Speaker 2: when you were through for stuff I want, like I'm
Speaker 2: usually told no about several times before it happens.
Speaker 1: And you were on it even from the beginning when
Speaker 1: you were living in the house. You were like, this
Speaker 1: is something. I'm making this into something. I'm not just
Speaker 1: gonna sit on my ass and like be like you know,
Speaker 1: the blonde, pretty girl like you were thinking about the
Speaker 1: machinations of the situation.
Speaker 2: Absolutely, And it was hard to do that too, because
Speaker 2: I realized after I moved in, I wasn't allowed to
Speaker 2: have a job outside of the mansion. I was not
Speaker 2: allowed to go out an audition. I would do it
Speaker 2: a little bit, but then you know, stopped. And then
Speaker 2: the reality show came along, which I was nervous about doing.
Speaker 2: I never really wanted to do a reality show or
Speaker 2: like showcase my personal life like that, but it turned
Speaker 2: into a great opportunity and I was definitely always thinking
Speaker 2: about it. I was always saving, like my pennies and
Speaker 2: like making investments and things like that.
Speaker 1: Oh well, I guess I didn't ask that question. If
Speaker 1: you guys were negotiating your own contract for that show,
Speaker 1: he wasn't taking a piece of that. You had your
Speaker 1: own money, you could store away like chestnuts, right, or
Speaker 1: he was in to ted his hands in that too.
Speaker 2: Well, at first, we weren't paid for the show at
Speaker 2: all for the first order of episodes, and eventually, you know,
Speaker 2: I was complaining to have secretary who was a friend
Speaker 2: of mine, and she kind of got on the phone
Speaker 2: and talked to people and made sure we got paid.
Speaker 2: So we got a little bit of money for the
Speaker 2: second half of season one, and then each season the
Speaker 2: show was doing so well, we would get a raise,
Speaker 2: but we weren't even under contract ourselves, like he negotiated
Speaker 2: directly with HEF. They never we were considered like his property,
Speaker 2: Like we were never negotiated with directly at all. We
Speaker 2: weren't allowed to have our own agents, we weren't allowed
Speaker 2: to have our own managers. And then in the last
Speaker 2: season of the show, he finally realized HEF didn't have
Speaker 2: us under contract, and they're like, this is our most
Speaker 2: successful show. You have to have these girls under some
Speaker 2: kind of contract.
Speaker 1: So hold on hold, because you've heard about this reality reckoning.
Speaker 1: I've been talking about exploitation without compensation, so I have
Speaker 1: to ask you about that. But like you E, they
Speaker 1: didn't have a contract with you. They had a contract
Speaker 1: with the leader of the cult on your girl's behalf,
Speaker 1: like as his property. Mm hmmm, yeah, that's why I
Speaker 1: brought up Jeffrey Epstein.
Speaker 2: It's fucked up, it's crazy. So finally, when he realized
Speaker 2: hep didn't have uson under any kind of contract, they
Speaker 2: insisted we'd be put under some kind of contract. So
Speaker 2: hef had his own production company make up contracts and
Speaker 2: I was told that I have to sign this, and
Speaker 2: I was hesitanting. I was like, but doesn't that mean
Speaker 2: I'm kind of signing a contract to be in the relationship,
Speaker 2: Like it seemed a little weird to me. It seemed
Speaker 2: a little sketch, And he was like, well, you need
Speaker 2: to sign it. It has to be signed today or
Speaker 2: the show's getting canceled. All this crazy shit. Kendra was
Speaker 2: like away doing a promo trip, so I don't know
Speaker 2: how they got her to sign and then Bridget was
Speaker 2: in the shower and hef literally walked into her room
Speaker 2: and pulled her out of the shower, dripping wet, demanding
Speaker 2: her sign this contract. And she said no, I'd like
Speaker 2: to have an attorney look at it. And he said,
Speaker 2: absolutely not. You need to sign it now or pack
Speaker 2: your bags, and she signed it.
Speaker 1: Mm hmm. And what how many years in was that?
Speaker 2: This was like the last season? I think it was
Speaker 2: either season four or five.
Speaker 1: So you didn't really make money off of that whole
Speaker 1: thing a little bit.
Speaker 2: We made not millions, no, not not no, not millions,
Speaker 2: and we weren't allowed to pursue our own things or
Speaker 2: like take other opportunities or have our own pr or
Speaker 2: anything like that.
Speaker 1: And have you ever gone to eat to be like
Speaker 1: what the fuck everybody made all this money but us?
Speaker 1: Or do you just guys all ignored it? Like I'm
Speaker 1: just curious. That's insane, Like you're the biggest example of
Speaker 1: what I've been talking about and I haven't talked to
Speaker 1: you about it.
Speaker 2: I mean, for me, like the person more at fault,
Speaker 2: I feel as hef or even the producer of the show,
Speaker 2: I feel like he felt like they were making this
Speaker 2: deal with this big celebrity who was reclusive and weird
Speaker 2: and he was a get for a reality show, and
Speaker 2: they just went along with whatever he wanted, and he
Speaker 2: I'm sure established the terms. I know he said he
Speaker 2: wouldn't the show unless he had a certain producer friend
Speaker 2: of his produce it. And also, you know, we were
Speaker 2: being filmed shooting our pictorials and things like that, so
Speaker 2: there was nudity and we just assumed that, oh, well,
Speaker 2: they can't show that on e it has to be blurred.
Speaker 2: And we were never told that, like the uncensored footage
Speaker 2: was going to be put on DVDs or aired foreign
Speaker 2: markets and things like that.
Speaker 1: It's exactly what I'm talking about. How you could shoot
Speaker 1: something you've been paid zero dollars season one twenty years later,
Speaker 1: you didn't know there was going to be a Hulu
Speaker 1: or a Netflix or streaming and Amazon and Dice and
Speaker 1: Slice and hey you Australia, Hey you UK, Like you
Speaker 1: know this is why some people will sit here and
Speaker 1: go come on, Bethany, I mean, do you give a
Speaker 1: shit about these people? You knew they signed it's what
Speaker 1: they signed up for, and I'm like, it's actually not
Speaker 1: what they signed up or they didn't know what they
Speaker 1: signed up for because it didn't exist what they signed
Speaker 1: up for, Like, is your content still there? It still exists.
Speaker 1: I can go watch today. I could go watch you right.
Speaker 2: On streaming services. People even show like pirateed uncensored versions
Speaker 2: on YouTube and YouTube won't take it down. It's just
Speaker 2: like it's ridiculous.
Speaker 1: Yeah, well, yeah, I think you're being very kind only
Speaker 1: holding half responsible, but that there is an estate there.
Speaker 1: You probably are owed money. That's insane. You signed your
Speaker 1: life away. But that's what I'm talking about. So, yeah,
Speaker 1: did a young girl who wanted to be in the
Speaker 1: mix famous an opportunity? Of course she took it. Does
Speaker 1: she know what the hell she's signing? Per se? Does
Speaker 1: she can she afford a lawyer? This is what I'm
Speaker 1: talking about, Like it sounds good later, but what the
Speaker 1: hell did we know about what lawyer? Look at this? Yeah? Sure,
Speaker 1: I guess it looks fine. It was a new world,
Speaker 1: yeah for sure. Yeah, very interesting. Wow, So I guess
Speaker 1: my question is what do you think of the reality
Speaker 1: reckoning or what you've read of it.
Speaker 2: I think there should definitely be some kind of regulations
Speaker 2: like the things that can relate to for sure, Like
Speaker 2: people should know exactly in their contract what they're signing,
Speaker 2: Like if nudity gets caught on camera, is it going
Speaker 2: to be used, where is it going to be used?
Speaker 2: Things like that. I mean, I'm not sure. I'm not
Speaker 2: an expert. I don't know what all the regulation should
Speaker 2: be or what the best things are, but I think
Speaker 2: it's definitely worth looking into because people, like you said,
Speaker 2: they get on camera and sign their life away and
Speaker 2: the footage is just used for whatever. And luckily, I
Speaker 2: think the audience is getting a little more media literate
Speaker 2: now where they know not everything they see on TV
Speaker 2: is true, but not all the time. A lot of
Speaker 2: people tell me, have you seen this Love Is Blind show?
Speaker 2: And can you believe they did that? And I'm like,
Speaker 2: I can't watch that stuff because I know nothing is real.
Speaker 2: Like they will twist your words and if you don't
Speaker 2: say what they want you to say in the confessional interview,
Speaker 2: they'll frank invite it or they'll make it like you
Speaker 2: said it. Or we even had instances on Girls next
Speaker 2: Door where editors were called in to come in and
Speaker 2: like do an impression of one of the characters, or
Speaker 2: do an impression of one of the guest stars or
Speaker 2: something if they didn't get what they wanted said, so
Speaker 2: you're really just a puppet.
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's unbelievable and most people really don't get it. Wow. Well,
Speaker 1: I really appreciate you coming on here. It's so nice
Speaker 1: to meet you, and I appreciate the conversation.
Speaker 2: Of course me too. It's fun.
Speaker 1: So Holly Madison is beautiful, she is successful, she is smart.
Speaker 1: She certainly has been underestimated. And I thought that was
Speaker 1: really interesting. I can't even tell you reading about her
Speaker 1: was just wild. Like, you know, it's the girl who
Speaker 1: was on the Playboy Mansion show. Okay, Like we don't
Speaker 1: think about what that actually entailed and what it was
Speaker 1: like to be in a relationship with Hugh Hefner. And yes,
Speaker 1: you know, I was gonna say there are no victims,
Speaker 1: but like young dough Eide girls taking opportunities. I lived
Speaker 1: in LA you know I would have taken the opportunity too.
Speaker 1: I'm just telling you that I get it. I'm not
Speaker 1: going to judge whatsoever, and I'm sure a lot of
Speaker 1: people do. But what has she turned this into podcasts
Speaker 1: and crime shows and books and beautiful children and marriages
Speaker 1: and you know, she's a class act, so I thought
Speaker 1: that was really interesting.
Speaker 2: Loved her.
Speaker 1: I thought she was great, I thought it was interesting
Speaker 1: and wow, really I was excited. But that's why I
Speaker 1: love the show.
Speaker 2: I get to.
Speaker 1: Really dig into who someone is that I would never
Speaker 1: have gotten to speak to. So I'm grateful for you
Speaker 1: guys for making that happen, like, really making that possible,
Speaker 1: because without listening and being interested, we wouldn't be talking
Speaker 1: to that woman who definitely sounds really really interesting. Loved
Speaker 1: Halley Madison