1 00:00:02,920 --> 00:00:05,280 Speaker 1: We're looking for the people that want to go out 2 00:00:05,320 --> 00:00:09,320 Speaker 1: there and work their way through this process of competing, 3 00:00:09,400 --> 00:00:12,639 Speaker 1: first of all in the classroom, then community service. Then 4 00:00:12,640 --> 00:00:14,560 Speaker 1: we're gonna look to see, you know, can they make 5 00:00:14,640 --> 00:00:17,360 Speaker 1: others around them better? But that's one of the biggest 6 00:00:17,360 --> 00:00:20,439 Speaker 1: things that you look for. Aren't you doing everything you 7 00:00:20,480 --> 00:00:22,760 Speaker 1: can make a guy above you are in front of better. 8 00:00:23,040 --> 00:00:25,400 Speaker 1: If that's the case, then you're the type of competitor 9 00:00:25,480 --> 00:00:28,440 Speaker 1: we're looking for. This is the Reformed Sports Project, a 10 00:00:28,520 --> 00:00:32,240 Speaker 1: podcast about restoring healthy balance and perspective in all areas 11 00:00:32,280 --> 00:00:35,879 Speaker 1: of sports through education and advocacy. Hi, this is Nick 12 00:00:35,920 --> 00:00:39,560 Speaker 1: Bonacoort from the Reformed Sports Project podcast. Today, I'm speaking 13 00:00:39,560 --> 00:00:43,560 Speaker 1: with Jet Fish, head football coach at the University of Arizona. 14 00:00:43,680 --> 00:00:47,199 Speaker 1: A veteran NFL and college coach, Jed served as the 15 00:00:47,280 --> 00:00:50,400 Speaker 1: quarterbacks coach for the New England Patriots and a member 16 00:00:50,440 --> 00:00:53,640 Speaker 1: of the offensive staff for the Los Angeles Rams before 17 00:00:53,680 --> 00:00:56,880 Speaker 1: taking over the Wildcats program. Coach Fish and I discuss 18 00:00:56,920 --> 00:00:59,760 Speaker 1: how we transition from competitive tennis player to sought after 19 00:00:59,760 --> 00:01:02,880 Speaker 1: food ball coach, the importance of doing everything you can 20 00:01:03,080 --> 00:01:05,640 Speaker 1: to make the people around you better, and why work 21 00:01:05,680 --> 00:01:09,160 Speaker 1: ethic is typically the great separator. I am. I'm freaking 22 00:01:09,200 --> 00:01:12,520 Speaker 1: fired up. I got an absolute phenomen at football coach 23 00:01:12,600 --> 00:01:15,640 Speaker 1: University of Arizona Jet Fish coach fish Man, I'm pumped 24 00:01:15,640 --> 00:01:17,680 Speaker 1: to have you on. Thank you so much, sir, Look, 25 00:01:17,720 --> 00:01:20,360 Speaker 1: thank you. I appreciate the invitation said, It'll be a 26 00:01:20,400 --> 00:01:23,200 Speaker 1: lot of fun to talk a little bit about sports 27 00:01:23,240 --> 00:01:26,160 Speaker 1: at general football specifically, or anything else that you'd like 28 00:01:26,200 --> 00:01:28,200 Speaker 1: to talk about. Yeah, no doubt why. I want to 29 00:01:28,280 --> 00:01:30,800 Speaker 1: kind of start One thing I love after you know, 30 00:01:30,840 --> 00:01:32,880 Speaker 1: doing research and kind of digging into your path a 31 00:01:32,880 --> 00:01:34,360 Speaker 1: little bit, is you know you're one of the I 32 00:01:34,360 --> 00:01:36,240 Speaker 1: want to say, one of the only coaches out there 33 00:01:36,240 --> 00:01:38,840 Speaker 1: who's coaching, certainly at a Power five who never played 34 00:01:38,880 --> 00:01:41,319 Speaker 1: college or even I don't think high school football. You 35 00:01:41,360 --> 00:01:44,120 Speaker 1: were a stud tennis player. But I think that's great 36 00:01:44,160 --> 00:01:46,240 Speaker 1: because there's a huge debate. There's a lot of times 37 00:01:46,280 --> 00:01:49,240 Speaker 1: where people will say in order to be a successful coach, 38 00:01:49,320 --> 00:01:51,280 Speaker 1: you had to have played at the highest level. You know, 39 00:01:51,320 --> 00:01:53,160 Speaker 1: you had to have done this, had to have done that, 40 00:01:53,240 --> 00:01:55,920 Speaker 1: and that's I think that crosses all sports, particularly the 41 00:01:55,960 --> 00:01:58,160 Speaker 1: youth amateur level. Can you talk a little bit about 42 00:01:58,160 --> 00:02:00,880 Speaker 1: your experience on how maybe you know your tennis background, 43 00:02:00,880 --> 00:02:04,520 Speaker 1: your athletic background, you went too football. Yeah, I would 44 00:02:04,640 --> 00:02:08,240 Speaker 1: uh won't recommend my path. I think it's a challenge 45 00:02:08,240 --> 00:02:10,520 Speaker 1: you'd want to say the least. I think you really 46 00:02:10,560 --> 00:02:14,440 Speaker 1: want to try to figure out, you know, um what 47 00:02:14,560 --> 00:02:16,080 Speaker 1: you want to be a little bit more ahead of 48 00:02:16,120 --> 00:02:18,680 Speaker 1: time than I did. But UM, one of the things 49 00:02:18,760 --> 00:02:20,960 Speaker 1: that I always believed in is, you know, if you're 50 00:02:20,960 --> 00:02:24,840 Speaker 1: always competing, and you learn how to compete, then you 51 00:02:24,840 --> 00:02:28,560 Speaker 1: can continue to do that at whatever way you whatever manner, um, 52 00:02:28,600 --> 00:02:30,840 Speaker 1: whether you're competing on the tennis court, when you're competing 53 00:02:30,840 --> 00:02:34,400 Speaker 1: in the classroom, whether you're competing in football or basketball 54 00:02:34,480 --> 00:02:38,320 Speaker 1: or baseball or whatever activities you're doing. I just happened 55 00:02:38,320 --> 00:02:42,960 Speaker 1: to be more growing up in competitive swimming in tennis. UM. 56 00:02:43,000 --> 00:02:48,400 Speaker 1: But I had a family gravitational pull to football. UM. 57 00:02:48,639 --> 00:02:51,320 Speaker 1: Mom became very close with the head football coach at 58 00:02:51,320 --> 00:02:54,440 Speaker 1: our high school, UM, not of my specific high school, 59 00:02:54,520 --> 00:02:56,639 Speaker 1: at at a high school that she was working at, 60 00:02:57,000 --> 00:03:00,000 Speaker 1: and UM wound up becoming a ball boy round up 61 00:03:00,080 --> 00:03:03,639 Speaker 1: becoming kind of like a sidekick, right hand guy. When 62 00:03:03,639 --> 00:03:06,680 Speaker 1: I was in middle school and elementary school and so 63 00:03:06,800 --> 00:03:09,160 Speaker 1: in love with it and didn't want to not do it, 64 00:03:09,400 --> 00:03:12,640 Speaker 1: so it became quite a battle to try to figure 65 00:03:12,639 --> 00:03:14,240 Speaker 1: out a way to do it. But um, at that 66 00:03:14,280 --> 00:03:16,240 Speaker 1: point in time, I was a little bit too invested 67 00:03:16,280 --> 00:03:19,399 Speaker 1: in tennis. Just quit that to go try to learn 68 00:03:19,400 --> 00:03:22,600 Speaker 1: how to coach football real quick. You brought up the word, 69 00:03:22,600 --> 00:03:25,040 Speaker 1: and I hear this across I've interviewed like five coaches 70 00:03:25,080 --> 00:03:27,960 Speaker 1: and actually the first coach that brought this word up 71 00:03:28,000 --> 00:03:29,600 Speaker 1: to me when we were talking about this subject, it 72 00:03:29,639 --> 00:03:31,560 Speaker 1: was about two and a half years ago, was Jim Calhoun, 73 00:03:31,720 --> 00:03:35,160 Speaker 1: legendary coach from Yukon basketball and and he's the first 74 00:03:35,160 --> 00:03:38,480 Speaker 1: coach we're talking about, you know, the crossover of sports 75 00:03:38,520 --> 00:03:40,320 Speaker 1: and how they help. And he said, Man, one thing 76 00:03:40,320 --> 00:03:42,840 Speaker 1: that he notices and he believes is you know, being 77 00:03:42,840 --> 00:03:45,080 Speaker 1: a part of different things, and especially when you're younger, 78 00:03:45,320 --> 00:03:49,040 Speaker 1: you know, playing different sports, whether it's tennis, soccer, baseball, whatever, football, 79 00:03:49,120 --> 00:03:52,320 Speaker 1: all the um each one lets you compete in different ways. 80 00:03:52,360 --> 00:03:54,760 Speaker 1: But he brings out, Man, that competition, learning how to 81 00:03:54,800 --> 00:03:58,600 Speaker 1: compete it's so critical. But people, I think it get misconstrued, 82 00:03:58,680 --> 00:04:01,520 Speaker 1: especially at the young ages talking like middle school and under, 83 00:04:01,840 --> 00:04:06,240 Speaker 1: people automatically correlate you know, competition or competing with wins 84 00:04:06,240 --> 00:04:09,240 Speaker 1: and losses, and sometimes I think you can be competitive 85 00:04:09,240 --> 00:04:11,520 Speaker 1: as hell and be competing at a high level and 86 00:04:11,520 --> 00:04:14,160 Speaker 1: you're not always gonna win. Can you talk about maybe 87 00:04:14,200 --> 00:04:17,320 Speaker 1: the differences, particularly at the youth level, with teaching kids 88 00:04:17,320 --> 00:04:19,800 Speaker 1: how to compete and also compete to win, but not 89 00:04:20,000 --> 00:04:22,679 Speaker 1: focusing on the wins and losses per se and maybe 90 00:04:22,680 --> 00:04:25,039 Speaker 1: focusing on the effort that gets put into it. And 91 00:04:25,080 --> 00:04:28,080 Speaker 1: if there's a difference, Yeah, I think the biggest thing 92 00:04:28,080 --> 00:04:30,839 Speaker 1: you got the cat is UM. You know, people that 93 00:04:30,880 --> 00:04:35,440 Speaker 1: are intrinsically motivated or not UM. If you're externally motivated 94 00:04:35,440 --> 00:04:37,760 Speaker 1: and you can only go you know, only gonna go 95 00:04:37,920 --> 00:04:40,760 Speaker 1: hard if you're gonna win or if you're gonna lose, UM, 96 00:04:41,360 --> 00:04:44,040 Speaker 1: then you know you're gonna always be sitting there and 97 00:04:44,160 --> 00:04:48,080 Speaker 1: have a cap or ceilingly motivated and you just want 98 00:04:48,080 --> 00:04:50,040 Speaker 1: to be the absolute best you can be, And if 99 00:04:50,080 --> 00:04:54,920 Speaker 1: you could just keep finding ways to perform yourself, then 100 00:04:55,040 --> 00:04:57,720 Speaker 1: I mean the results will come just by a byproduct 101 00:04:57,800 --> 00:05:01,080 Speaker 1: of hard work and effort. But the opportunity to just 102 00:05:01,160 --> 00:05:03,680 Speaker 1: go out there and keep finding ways to motivate yourself 103 00:05:03,720 --> 00:05:07,080 Speaker 1: and go, you know, go, continue to compete and continue 104 00:05:07,080 --> 00:05:09,960 Speaker 1: to find a way to get better. Every day. It's 105 00:05:10,080 --> 00:05:12,240 Speaker 1: huge and I think that you know, when you do 106 00:05:12,279 --> 00:05:15,080 Speaker 1: that at a young age, Um, you know, I give 107 00:05:15,080 --> 00:05:16,480 Speaker 1: all the credit in the world to the guys that 108 00:05:16,560 --> 00:05:18,320 Speaker 1: want to just go out and job and go out 109 00:05:18,320 --> 00:05:20,960 Speaker 1: and right by when their kids, because there's really no 110 00:05:21,200 --> 00:05:23,520 Speaker 1: you know, there's no scoreboard. They're just going out there. 111 00:05:23,560 --> 00:05:26,760 Speaker 1: They're getting better shape or find a way to you know, 112 00:05:26,839 --> 00:05:28,520 Speaker 1: be the best they can be at their other you 113 00:05:28,520 --> 00:05:32,440 Speaker 1: know sports that do keep score. But in this case, um, 114 00:05:32,720 --> 00:05:35,279 Speaker 1: you know, for us, it's just a matter of go 115 00:05:35,400 --> 00:05:37,480 Speaker 1: out there, be the obsolute best you can be. You'll 116 00:05:37,520 --> 00:05:38,960 Speaker 1: find a way to be the best you can be 117 00:05:39,080 --> 00:05:42,880 Speaker 1: in the scoreboard usually takes care of itself. Also, so 118 00:05:43,080 --> 00:05:45,640 Speaker 1: when you talk about competitiveness, I think there's many ways. 119 00:05:45,640 --> 00:05:47,919 Speaker 1: And I think you agree. You can compete in the classroom, 120 00:05:48,120 --> 00:05:50,600 Speaker 1: you can compete in the weight room, Uh, you compete 121 00:05:50,600 --> 00:05:52,720 Speaker 1: in your diet. I mean, what are ways outside of 122 00:05:52,800 --> 00:05:55,320 Speaker 1: let's say, let's talk about like what you're looking for 123 00:05:55,360 --> 00:05:57,560 Speaker 1: in a recruit. You know, obviously it's easy to go 124 00:05:57,640 --> 00:05:59,320 Speaker 1: out there and see a forty time or you know, 125 00:05:59,320 --> 00:06:01,839 Speaker 1: a max of bench, whatever it is. What are things 126 00:06:01,880 --> 00:06:04,680 Speaker 1: you look for maybe a character, standpoint or off the 127 00:06:04,760 --> 00:06:07,320 Speaker 1: field type stuff or teammate wise that like, man, this 128 00:06:07,400 --> 00:06:09,800 Speaker 1: kid is ultra competitive. I want to have them. Yeah, 129 00:06:09,880 --> 00:06:14,320 Speaker 1: I I really believe it's seal TP A test score correlation. UM. 130 00:06:14,360 --> 00:06:18,200 Speaker 1: If you don't have a high test score and UM 131 00:06:18,320 --> 00:06:20,000 Speaker 1: or you have a look, I should say, you have 132 00:06:20,040 --> 00:06:21,719 Speaker 1: a high test score in a low g p A, 133 00:06:22,240 --> 00:06:25,880 Speaker 1: you're not very competitive, dude, because you're not really reaching 134 00:06:25,880 --> 00:06:28,120 Speaker 1: your potential in the classroom. Uh. You know if you 135 00:06:28,160 --> 00:06:30,480 Speaker 1: look at and someone goes, oh, I gotta whatever on 136 00:06:30,600 --> 00:06:33,680 Speaker 1: my test, but my kep A sitting in a two three, 137 00:06:33,839 --> 00:06:36,440 Speaker 1: so I'm eligible. You know, all you're saying right now 138 00:06:36,520 --> 00:06:39,560 Speaker 1: is you're lazy. UM. So that doesn't really interest me 139 00:06:39,880 --> 00:06:42,200 Speaker 1: as a coach. I think that as a coach, you 140 00:06:42,240 --> 00:06:44,560 Speaker 1: want to find someone that has a high g p 141 00:06:44,760 --> 00:06:47,800 Speaker 1: A a higher kepier than their test score, because that 142 00:06:47,920 --> 00:06:50,200 Speaker 1: actually tells you that they're the type of guy that's 143 00:06:50,200 --> 00:06:55,680 Speaker 1: gonna outwork their opponent, outwork um in the classroom and 144 00:06:55,680 --> 00:06:58,920 Speaker 1: and really you know, find extra effort here because maybe 145 00:06:58,920 --> 00:07:01,599 Speaker 1: they aren't as gifted. You know, some people are you know, 146 00:07:01,720 --> 00:07:03,599 Speaker 1: poorn on third base and think they hit a triple. 147 00:07:04,240 --> 00:07:06,520 Speaker 1: We're not looking for those people. We're not looking for 148 00:07:06,560 --> 00:07:09,240 Speaker 1: that group. We're looking for the people that want to 149 00:07:09,279 --> 00:07:13,080 Speaker 1: go out there and work their way through this process 150 00:07:13,160 --> 00:07:17,680 Speaker 1: of competing. First of all in the classroom. Then community service. 151 00:07:17,760 --> 00:07:20,120 Speaker 1: How are their community service ours? Then we're gonna look 152 00:07:20,160 --> 00:07:23,320 Speaker 1: to see, you know, can they make others around them better. 153 00:07:23,920 --> 00:07:26,400 Speaker 1: That's one of the biggest things that you know that 154 00:07:26,520 --> 00:07:29,600 Speaker 1: you look for, uh in coaches when I'm hiring coaches 155 00:07:29,640 --> 00:07:32,920 Speaker 1: and players, when I'm fighting players, aren't you doing everything 156 00:07:32,960 --> 00:07:34,600 Speaker 1: you can to make the guy above you or in 157 00:07:34,600 --> 00:07:37,320 Speaker 1: front of you better. If that's the case, then you know, 158 00:07:37,440 --> 00:07:40,080 Speaker 1: then you're the type of competitor we're looking for. So 159 00:07:40,160 --> 00:07:41,800 Speaker 1: at the end of the day, you know, people will 160 00:07:41,800 --> 00:07:44,280 Speaker 1: call it twitter, I watch they say, you know, coaches 161 00:07:44,320 --> 00:07:46,760 Speaker 1: will say they want to have, you know, all these 162 00:07:46,800 --> 00:07:48,800 Speaker 1: great things, but you know, it doesn't really translate if 163 00:07:48,800 --> 00:07:50,640 Speaker 1: a guy's an absolute stood on the field, and that's 164 00:07:50,640 --> 00:07:52,760 Speaker 1: all that matters, you know, And I firmly believe from 165 00:07:52,760 --> 00:07:54,960 Speaker 1: my experience as an athlete and talking to enough coaches 166 00:07:55,040 --> 00:07:57,960 Speaker 1: like it does. I don't think like I'll argue this. Obviously, 167 00:07:58,000 --> 00:08:00,640 Speaker 1: talent wins, right, you need you need talent certain level, 168 00:08:00,800 --> 00:08:03,640 Speaker 1: but sometimes can you have let's say you have a 169 00:08:03,880 --> 00:08:06,880 Speaker 1: rated players right or be rated players can sometimes having 170 00:08:06,880 --> 00:08:09,240 Speaker 1: a room full of B rated players that have a 171 00:08:09,520 --> 00:08:13,520 Speaker 1: character I'll perform or or be you know, team that 172 00:08:13,600 --> 00:08:16,680 Speaker 1: might have a talent, but be character. Do you see 173 00:08:16,720 --> 00:08:19,960 Speaker 1: what I'm saying, Like connect character, standpoint outweigh Yeah. I 174 00:08:20,000 --> 00:08:23,240 Speaker 1: mean I think there's there's that fine line, right. You know, 175 00:08:23,480 --> 00:08:29,160 Speaker 1: smart tough guys aren't necessarily the fastest guys in the 176 00:08:29,200 --> 00:08:32,960 Speaker 1: world or the most gifted, but traditionally those guys do 177 00:08:33,040 --> 00:08:36,040 Speaker 1: find a way to win. UM. But you know, I 178 00:08:36,080 --> 00:08:40,640 Speaker 1: think that what you're looking for is high character always 179 00:08:40,760 --> 00:08:43,640 Speaker 1: makes for a better program, and high character always makes 180 00:08:43,640 --> 00:08:46,800 Speaker 1: for probably a better team when you start. You know, 181 00:08:47,040 --> 00:08:49,640 Speaker 1: it's you're you're looking for guys that are helped building 182 00:08:49,679 --> 00:08:52,520 Speaker 1: your culture. You know, I just saw today there was 183 00:08:52,559 --> 00:08:55,640 Speaker 1: something about the difference between power hungry and culture hungry. 184 00:08:55,960 --> 00:08:58,480 Speaker 1: You know, be the culture hungry guy, UM, be the 185 00:08:58,559 --> 00:09:02,000 Speaker 1: guy that wants to contry tribute to the culture rather 186 00:09:02,040 --> 00:09:04,040 Speaker 1: than the power. And I think that a lot has 187 00:09:04,080 --> 00:09:06,480 Speaker 1: to do with how are you going to handle yourself? 188 00:09:06,559 --> 00:09:08,680 Speaker 1: And you know, are you able to find guys that 189 00:09:08,720 --> 00:09:11,520 Speaker 1: are gifted in a lot of different ways? You know, 190 00:09:11,559 --> 00:09:15,000 Speaker 1: the multi gifted guys are far more interesting than just 191 00:09:15,760 --> 00:09:18,599 Speaker 1: the one guy that's good at one thing. So I 192 00:09:18,640 --> 00:09:20,559 Speaker 1: always find it fastening. And I had this conversation with 193 00:09:20,679 --> 00:09:22,960 Speaker 1: coach Calhoun because when he took over Yukon in the 194 00:09:23,000 --> 00:09:25,319 Speaker 1: mid eighties, I mean, back then the Big Eastern basketball 195 00:09:25,400 --> 00:09:28,040 Speaker 1: was he thought of Georgetown, Syracuse, Villanova, State Johns. You 196 00:09:28,040 --> 00:09:30,040 Speaker 1: didn't think about Yukon. They were kind of the doormat 197 00:09:30,080 --> 00:09:32,440 Speaker 1: at that time. Within a couple of years they won 198 00:09:32,440 --> 00:09:34,160 Speaker 1: the n I T and then of course turn them 199 00:09:34,160 --> 00:09:37,760 Speaker 1: into a national power and sustain that. And he put 200 00:09:37,760 --> 00:09:39,720 Speaker 1: it on the fact of having, you know, building quote 201 00:09:39,800 --> 00:09:41,800 Speaker 1: unquote culture. But he also said that word kind of 202 00:09:41,800 --> 00:09:43,679 Speaker 1: gets thrown around a little bit too much. So I'm 203 00:09:43,720 --> 00:09:45,240 Speaker 1: gonna ask you what I asked, coach, how do you 204 00:09:45,320 --> 00:09:48,679 Speaker 1: take a program? Obviously you gotta get talent, but how 205 00:09:48,720 --> 00:09:51,360 Speaker 1: do you get those guys, especially today, coach, where you 206 00:09:51,400 --> 00:09:54,360 Speaker 1: have you know, it's promote, you know, it's it's social media, 207 00:09:54,400 --> 00:09:56,280 Speaker 1: it's I want to get mine. I gotta get showcase, 208 00:09:56,360 --> 00:09:58,640 Speaker 1: which I get. But how do you take those guys 209 00:09:58,640 --> 00:10:00,960 Speaker 1: and have them turn into players that can put the 210 00:10:01,000 --> 00:10:04,160 Speaker 1: team ahead of themselves. Well, I think you know there 211 00:10:04,280 --> 00:10:06,880 Speaker 1: there's a very fine line. You know, first of all, 212 00:10:06,880 --> 00:10:12,199 Speaker 1: if every player reaches their ceiling or their maximum capacity 213 00:10:12,480 --> 00:10:16,000 Speaker 1: um of effort, and every player plays their absolute best, 214 00:10:16,040 --> 00:10:19,600 Speaker 1: your team should be better. Your team should be pretty good. Um. 215 00:10:19,640 --> 00:10:22,240 Speaker 1: Now the question becomes, how do you avoid selfish players 216 00:10:22,720 --> 00:10:24,959 Speaker 1: UM versus guys that are just trying to be their 217 00:10:24,960 --> 00:10:31,559 Speaker 1: absolute best. I think with that comes nobody really wants 218 00:10:31,640 --> 00:10:34,400 Speaker 1: to talk about you. If you're on a losing team, 219 00:10:34,440 --> 00:10:37,240 Speaker 1: it's not that exciting. It's not that exciting to give 220 00:10:37,280 --> 00:10:39,839 Speaker 1: you money and name image enlightness deals. If you're on 221 00:10:39,880 --> 00:10:43,320 Speaker 1: a losing team, it's not that exciting. If you're you know, 222 00:10:43,400 --> 00:10:46,200 Speaker 1: sitting there and you're not trying to be your absolute best, 223 00:10:47,280 --> 00:10:49,800 Speaker 1: but on top of it, you're helping others around you 224 00:10:49,920 --> 00:10:53,200 Speaker 1: be their best, which in turn helps the team be 225 00:10:53,280 --> 00:10:57,360 Speaker 1: their best. UM. That's to me culture culture, as you know, 226 00:10:57,640 --> 00:11:00,240 Speaker 1: I look at it as if you change the ulture 227 00:11:00,280 --> 00:11:02,600 Speaker 1: of your program, you're not gonna be there long because 228 00:11:02,760 --> 00:11:05,680 Speaker 1: you know, for for a head coach, it's not just 229 00:11:05,840 --> 00:11:09,199 Speaker 1: about trying to find a way to get a victory. 230 00:11:09,280 --> 00:11:11,680 Speaker 1: It's about trying to find a way to get numerous 231 00:11:11,760 --> 00:11:15,080 Speaker 1: victories on and off the field. And with that being 232 00:11:15,120 --> 00:11:17,319 Speaker 1: the case, it has to be getting the best out 233 00:11:17,360 --> 00:11:19,240 Speaker 1: of your team. And to get the best out of 234 00:11:19,240 --> 00:11:20,719 Speaker 1: your team, you have to get the best out of 235 00:11:20,760 --> 00:11:23,400 Speaker 1: each player. And to get the best out of each player, 236 00:11:23,720 --> 00:11:26,680 Speaker 1: they have to just recognize it's about them, um, doing 237 00:11:26,720 --> 00:11:29,640 Speaker 1: the right thing and and that's the key to this 238 00:11:29,640 --> 00:11:32,319 Speaker 1: whole thing in my opinion. So when you're talking about 239 00:11:32,400 --> 00:11:35,160 Speaker 1: you know, we're talking about athleticism, we're talking about what 240 00:11:35,200 --> 00:11:37,559 Speaker 1: you might be looking for in potential recruits. We kind 241 00:11:37,559 --> 00:11:39,560 Speaker 1: of covered the you know, not everyone can come play 242 00:11:39,559 --> 00:11:41,679 Speaker 1: in the Pac twelfth, Not everyone's big time, not everyone 243 00:11:41,720 --> 00:11:44,280 Speaker 1: can play the Power five. You know, there's different levels 244 00:11:44,320 --> 00:11:46,839 Speaker 1: for everybody, and quite frankly, a lot of times people 245 00:11:46,880 --> 00:11:48,920 Speaker 1: don't know what level they can be at. When can 246 00:11:48,960 --> 00:11:50,960 Speaker 1: kids get an idea like, hey, I can go play 247 00:11:50,960 --> 00:11:53,040 Speaker 1: at this level? How should they know? I mean, obviously, 248 00:11:53,080 --> 00:11:55,000 Speaker 1: if you're getting recruited, it's one thing. But let's say 249 00:11:55,000 --> 00:11:56,760 Speaker 1: you're a tween or kid who can go to an 250 00:11:56,760 --> 00:11:59,560 Speaker 1: FCS school, um and maybe play a little bit, but 251 00:11:59,600 --> 00:12:01,440 Speaker 1: an FB, yes, you know, you might be a stretch. 252 00:12:01,640 --> 00:12:05,160 Speaker 1: How do you find the right footing college football? That's 253 00:12:05,200 --> 00:12:09,320 Speaker 1: a great question. Uh, you know, man, that's a tough one. 254 00:12:09,720 --> 00:12:11,280 Speaker 1: I mean, I could sit there and ask my team 255 00:12:11,360 --> 00:12:13,280 Speaker 1: right now, we got a hundred and fifteen guys. Everyone 256 00:12:13,360 --> 00:12:15,080 Speaker 1: stand up, who thinks they're going to go to the NFL. 257 00:12:15,440 --> 00:12:17,680 Speaker 1: And we probably have about a hundred and fifteen guys 258 00:12:17,679 --> 00:12:22,000 Speaker 1: stand up. Three of them will um or five of 259 00:12:22,000 --> 00:12:24,960 Speaker 1: them will whatever the percentages come out too. So it's 260 00:12:25,040 --> 00:12:27,480 Speaker 1: very hard to tell high school kids that give up 261 00:12:27,480 --> 00:12:29,760 Speaker 1: on their dream if their dream is to play in 262 00:12:29,800 --> 00:12:32,280 Speaker 1: the Power five. But there's also got to be a realistic, 263 00:12:32,679 --> 00:12:36,120 Speaker 1: you know, realistic answer to that. And the reality of 264 00:12:36,120 --> 00:12:41,360 Speaker 1: the situation is that not everybody is a Power five player, 265 00:12:41,960 --> 00:12:47,000 Speaker 1: not everybody is a FCS player, not everybody is an 266 00:12:47,000 --> 00:12:52,080 Speaker 1: IVY League player, just like not everyone is academically strong 267 00:12:52,200 --> 00:12:55,240 Speaker 1: enough to go to Harvard Stanford. UM. I mean we 268 00:12:55,320 --> 00:12:58,240 Speaker 1: all have, you know, whatever positives or negatives we have, 269 00:12:58,360 --> 00:13:01,320 Speaker 1: we all have limitations of different out of courts, you know, 270 00:13:01,480 --> 00:13:03,800 Speaker 1: and I think we just all have to accept that 271 00:13:04,400 --> 00:13:07,360 Speaker 1: and not get misled, but on the same toke and 272 00:13:07,400 --> 00:13:10,680 Speaker 1: not let somebody swash our dreams. And it's a you know, 273 00:13:10,720 --> 00:13:12,800 Speaker 1: it's a very fine line. I think at some point 274 00:13:12,800 --> 00:13:14,840 Speaker 1: in time, early in your high school career, you can 275 00:13:14,920 --> 00:13:17,640 Speaker 1: figure out do I have the kinetic makeup to be 276 00:13:17,679 --> 00:13:20,520 Speaker 1: a power five player? Right? Do I have the mental 277 00:13:20,559 --> 00:13:23,079 Speaker 1: makeup to be a power five player? I might have 278 00:13:23,200 --> 00:13:25,320 Speaker 1: a genetically, but I don't have it mentally. Am I 279 00:13:25,400 --> 00:13:28,160 Speaker 1: capable of working that hard for that long? Do I 280 00:13:28,200 --> 00:13:29,760 Speaker 1: want to work that hard for that long? You know, 281 00:13:29,800 --> 00:13:31,760 Speaker 1: some people just want to go to college. Some people 282 00:13:31,800 --> 00:13:34,720 Speaker 1: don't want to go to college. Um. You know, sometimes 283 00:13:34,760 --> 00:13:36,560 Speaker 1: we get forced into it because we feel like we're 284 00:13:36,640 --> 00:13:40,440 Speaker 1: making somebody else happy. But I truthfully believe that if 285 00:13:40,480 --> 00:13:42,240 Speaker 1: we can all look in the mirror, we can kind 286 00:13:42,240 --> 00:13:45,240 Speaker 1: of figure out our own limitations, um, and then figure 287 00:13:45,280 --> 00:13:47,000 Speaker 1: out how hard we want to take them when we 288 00:13:47,040 --> 00:13:49,880 Speaker 1: return Jed and I discussed the value of learning different 289 00:13:49,960 --> 00:13:52,920 Speaker 1: skill sets as a player and why you recruit students 290 00:13:53,080 --> 00:13:55,320 Speaker 1: who strive to do the right thing both on and 291 00:13:55,360 --> 00:14:05,360 Speaker 1: off the field. Where we left off, Coach Fish and 292 00:14:05,360 --> 00:14:07,640 Speaker 1: I were about to talk about player recruitment and the 293 00:14:07,679 --> 00:14:12,320 Speaker 1: importance of having a strong work ethic. I'm sure you 294 00:14:12,360 --> 00:14:14,520 Speaker 1: know the name Tim Corbyn. I had baseball coach at 295 00:14:14,600 --> 00:14:17,520 Speaker 1: Vanderbilt University a couple of national titles, and we talked 296 00:14:17,520 --> 00:14:20,320 Speaker 1: about it, and it's you know, let's face it. Arguably, 297 00:14:20,720 --> 00:14:23,520 Speaker 1: the best athlete on the baseball field is your shortstop roughly, 298 00:14:23,520 --> 00:14:26,640 Speaker 1: you know, give or take. You know, sure, so Vanderbilt 299 00:14:26,720 --> 00:14:29,880 Speaker 1: or a program of that caliber or whatever, you might 300 00:14:29,920 --> 00:14:32,800 Speaker 1: have eight to ten shortstops on your team, you know, 301 00:14:32,880 --> 00:14:35,640 Speaker 1: so there's one shortstop that plays every day. So what 302 00:14:35,760 --> 00:14:37,880 Speaker 1: ends up happening, Well, one becomes a right fielder, one 303 00:14:37,880 --> 00:14:40,880 Speaker 1: becomes a center field So so I would imagine to 304 00:14:40,920 --> 00:14:43,240 Speaker 1: go play to Power five, you might have a bunch 305 00:14:43,240 --> 00:14:44,800 Speaker 1: of d n s or a bunch of strong savors 306 00:14:44,840 --> 00:14:48,440 Speaker 1: or quarterback whatever. Sometimes those guys move. How important is 307 00:14:48,440 --> 00:14:50,960 Speaker 1: it for kids to be versaible enough to know, Hey, 308 00:14:51,000 --> 00:14:53,040 Speaker 1: I might be the starting quarterback on my high school team, 309 00:14:53,080 --> 00:14:55,000 Speaker 1: might be all State, All American and all this, but 310 00:14:55,280 --> 00:14:57,520 Speaker 1: I might have to go play wide receiver or d back. 311 00:14:58,120 --> 00:14:59,720 Speaker 1: You know, does that happen a lot? For kids need 312 00:14:59,720 --> 00:15:02,280 Speaker 1: to be in minded to compete for that, and sometimes 313 00:15:02,360 --> 00:15:04,320 Speaker 1: do they fold under that competition? How do you know 314 00:15:04,360 --> 00:15:08,160 Speaker 1: which kids may rise up? Well, we'll both. I would 315 00:15:08,200 --> 00:15:12,880 Speaker 1: tell you that that happens. Um it needs to happen. 316 00:15:13,080 --> 00:15:16,640 Speaker 1: It does happen often, and some people fold and some 317 00:15:16,720 --> 00:15:20,000 Speaker 1: people don't. And the guys that don't continue on and 318 00:15:20,000 --> 00:15:22,840 Speaker 1: the guys that do, you know, tradaytionally, that's probably the 319 00:15:22,880 --> 00:15:25,200 Speaker 1: end of their football career. Um. You know, they go 320 00:15:25,240 --> 00:15:27,640 Speaker 1: from the Power five to the Nonpower five or to 321 00:15:27,760 --> 00:15:31,280 Speaker 1: the FCS or two wherever, and and then they're usually 322 00:15:31,360 --> 00:15:34,320 Speaker 1: about done. I mean, you have to be able to recognize, 323 00:15:34,640 --> 00:15:38,360 Speaker 1: you know that if a coach is moving you to 324 00:15:39,040 --> 00:15:43,800 Speaker 1: a different position, they're doing so to give you the 325 00:15:43,840 --> 00:15:48,400 Speaker 1: best opportunity successful. They're not doing it to give you 326 00:15:48,440 --> 00:15:52,560 Speaker 1: the worst opportunity successful. That doesn't make any sense. So 327 00:15:52,760 --> 00:15:56,160 Speaker 1: it also gives the team the best opportunity successful. Um. 328 00:15:56,200 --> 00:15:58,600 Speaker 1: With that being said, I think the flexibility is enormous. 329 00:15:58,680 --> 00:16:01,640 Speaker 1: I mean, there's plenty of guys that play We probably 330 00:16:01,640 --> 00:16:03,880 Speaker 1: had twenty guys on our team that played high school 331 00:16:03,920 --> 00:16:05,960 Speaker 1: quarterback because they were the best athlete on their high school. 332 00:16:06,560 --> 00:16:08,200 Speaker 1: But then they got to figure out in my receiver, 333 00:16:08,280 --> 00:16:10,520 Speaker 1: in my DV, in my linebacker, my safety, in my 334 00:16:10,720 --> 00:16:14,600 Speaker 1: running back, in my quarterback. Um, there's only one quarterback. 335 00:16:14,840 --> 00:16:17,360 Speaker 1: The smart ones say I'm gonna play receiver because there's 336 00:16:17,520 --> 00:16:19,200 Speaker 1: sometimes four or five of them on the field at 337 00:16:19,200 --> 00:16:21,840 Speaker 1: the same time. You just have to kind of figure 338 00:16:21,840 --> 00:16:23,800 Speaker 1: out what is it that you want to do what 339 00:16:23,920 --> 00:16:26,600 Speaker 1: is it you want to be, and then trust what 340 00:16:26,680 --> 00:16:31,080 Speaker 1: you're being told, Trust what you're being told by your coach. Um, 341 00:16:31,200 --> 00:16:35,880 Speaker 1: none of us as college coaches are gonna not play 342 00:16:36,080 --> 00:16:38,640 Speaker 1: the best eleven. And I would think in baseball they're 343 00:16:38,640 --> 00:16:41,080 Speaker 1: gonna play their best nine. Get basketball, they're gonna play 344 00:16:41,080 --> 00:16:43,840 Speaker 1: their best five. So with that being the case, why 345 00:16:43,880 --> 00:16:46,920 Speaker 1: would we ever, you know, cut off our nose to 346 00:16:46,960 --> 00:16:49,520 Speaker 1: spite our face or do something that's not the best 347 00:16:49,520 --> 00:16:52,000 Speaker 1: interest of the program. I just think it's important for 348 00:16:52,040 --> 00:16:54,920 Speaker 1: a player, for a kid at whatever level, fourteen on 349 00:16:55,200 --> 00:16:58,600 Speaker 1: twelve on, whatever it is. Don't be disappointed if you're 350 00:16:58,680 --> 00:17:01,240 Speaker 1: you know, if you're the best picture in the best 351 00:17:01,280 --> 00:17:03,840 Speaker 1: first basement, go play first base, and then on the 352 00:17:03,880 --> 00:17:07,040 Speaker 1: other rotation, go pitch. But don't be the guy that 353 00:17:07,160 --> 00:17:09,359 Speaker 1: I think this is just my own opinion. Don't be 354 00:17:09,440 --> 00:17:11,760 Speaker 1: the guy that says, well, I'm only gonna pitch, so 355 00:17:11,800 --> 00:17:13,960 Speaker 1: I'm not gonna be interested in the you know, or 356 00:17:14,119 --> 00:17:16,679 Speaker 1: I'm only playing quarterback, so if you don't play me 357 00:17:16,720 --> 00:17:19,679 Speaker 1: at quarterback, I'm gonna go to another team or another school. 358 00:17:19,920 --> 00:17:23,000 Speaker 1: You know, how about figuring out another position that you 359 00:17:23,040 --> 00:17:26,840 Speaker 1: can play also and then help the team I'm a 360 00:17:26,960 --> 00:17:30,639 Speaker 1: parent six times over. Man, it's not easy sometimes to 361 00:17:31,160 --> 00:17:33,560 Speaker 1: watch your kids go through adversity, struggle, right, watch them 362 00:17:33,560 --> 00:17:35,120 Speaker 1: sit the bench if they have to. I'm a big 363 00:17:35,160 --> 00:17:37,800 Speaker 1: advocate of that. Um. What I mean by that is, hey, 364 00:17:37,880 --> 00:17:40,200 Speaker 1: I like to look at sports and my kids and say, hey, 365 00:17:40,400 --> 00:17:42,320 Speaker 1: you're not good enough and you want to get better. 366 00:17:42,520 --> 00:17:44,359 Speaker 1: You're sitting there for a reason. You're either gonna do 367 00:17:44,400 --> 00:17:46,080 Speaker 1: something about it or you're not. And I think that 368 00:17:46,119 --> 00:17:48,560 Speaker 1: translates to life. What I don't think translates to life 369 00:17:48,640 --> 00:17:50,879 Speaker 1: is things get hard, we just split, you know, we 370 00:17:51,000 --> 00:17:53,320 Speaker 1: just move on, we quit, we do other things. So, 371 00:17:53,560 --> 00:17:56,160 Speaker 1: you know, I think it's important to teach life through sports. 372 00:17:56,160 --> 00:17:58,879 Speaker 1: I'm sure you do the same, but not all parents do. 373 00:17:58,960 --> 00:18:01,040 Speaker 1: It's not comfortable. It's not comfortable as a parent to 374 00:18:01,040 --> 00:18:04,000 Speaker 1: watch your kids struggle. As someone who's been you know, God, 375 00:18:04,119 --> 00:18:06,280 Speaker 1: you coached the Patriots, I mean, you're you're head coach 376 00:18:06,320 --> 00:18:10,080 Speaker 1: in Power five? Like, why is struggle important? Why is 377 00:18:10,160 --> 00:18:13,040 Speaker 1: adversity important? Do you see the difference in kids that 378 00:18:13,080 --> 00:18:15,479 Speaker 1: come in that have had to fight, claw and scratch 379 00:18:15,560 --> 00:18:17,000 Speaker 1: their way to get to where they are as opposed 380 00:18:17,000 --> 00:18:18,720 Speaker 1: to those that may have been like you, mentioned I 381 00:18:18,760 --> 00:18:21,600 Speaker 1: love this born on third thinking they hit a triple. Yeah. 382 00:18:21,640 --> 00:18:24,520 Speaker 1: I mean I think that there's always gonna be adversity. 383 00:18:24,640 --> 00:18:26,960 Speaker 1: I mean, I'm a parent, I'm a coach. I get 384 00:18:27,000 --> 00:18:29,840 Speaker 1: all of that. I mean, your kids aren't always going 385 00:18:29,880 --> 00:18:32,200 Speaker 1: to be the greatest. You know, You're not gonna always 386 00:18:32,280 --> 00:18:34,719 Speaker 1: have what what Tiger was that where he and his 387 00:18:34,840 --> 00:18:37,399 Speaker 1: son are just out there going to levin birdies in 388 00:18:37,400 --> 00:18:41,200 Speaker 1: a rug, you know, I mean, that's I would imagine 389 00:18:41,280 --> 00:18:45,320 Speaker 1: that falls under the rarity category. You know, I'm not that. Um. 390 00:18:45,359 --> 00:18:47,879 Speaker 1: I couldn't even dream of being as gifted of an athlete, 391 00:18:47,920 --> 00:18:49,680 Speaker 1: So I don't know what that means or looks like. 392 00:18:49,760 --> 00:18:52,199 Speaker 1: But uh, you know, I think we all have to 393 00:18:52,240 --> 00:18:57,240 Speaker 1: just be realistic. It's okay, you know. I mean, it's okay, 394 00:18:57,280 --> 00:19:00,320 Speaker 1: and if your son or daughter is struggling a bit, 395 00:19:00,400 --> 00:19:04,119 Speaker 1: just either work harder, except that that's what they are. UM. 396 00:19:04,240 --> 00:19:07,399 Speaker 1: I think the biggest problem is the the illusion that 397 00:19:07,960 --> 00:19:10,359 Speaker 1: every nine year old baseball player is going to be 398 00:19:10,359 --> 00:19:14,159 Speaker 1: in the major leagues and therefore, you know, you have 399 00:19:14,200 --> 00:19:16,520 Speaker 1: to give up your life for your son's life and 400 00:19:16,640 --> 00:19:19,080 Speaker 1: run around and go I don't know, fifty two different 401 00:19:19,080 --> 00:19:21,040 Speaker 1: tournaments every week I mean, I don't get that, but 402 00:19:21,600 --> 00:19:24,959 Speaker 1: that's not me. Um. I think it's more along lines 403 00:19:25,080 --> 00:19:27,959 Speaker 1: of you know, like, see where they are, see how 404 00:19:28,000 --> 00:19:31,000 Speaker 1: good they can become. Let them keep battling, let them 405 00:19:31,040 --> 00:19:33,920 Speaker 1: keep trying to figure it all out, and then see 406 00:19:33,920 --> 00:19:36,159 Speaker 1: how good they really are. Um. There's a lot of 407 00:19:36,160 --> 00:19:38,280 Speaker 1: great players and this you know, a lot a lot 408 00:19:38,280 --> 00:19:40,520 Speaker 1: of a lot of great athletes in this country. And 409 00:19:40,560 --> 00:19:43,000 Speaker 1: there's always gonna be a separator. And usually that separators 410 00:19:43,000 --> 00:19:45,879 Speaker 1: work ethic. You're gonna have a lot of you know, 411 00:19:46,119 --> 00:19:48,720 Speaker 1: high school, middle school kids that are looking for the 412 00:19:48,760 --> 00:19:50,600 Speaker 1: answers man. They want to play the Arizona They want 413 00:19:50,600 --> 00:19:51,800 Speaker 1: to play for you. They want to they want to 414 00:19:51,840 --> 00:19:54,480 Speaker 1: get to that level. Uh, they want to hear firsthand. 415 00:19:54,720 --> 00:19:56,399 Speaker 1: You know what Jed Fish has to say. How do 416 00:19:56,480 --> 00:19:58,239 Speaker 1: they get there? How do they get on your radar? Right? 417 00:19:58,280 --> 00:20:00,680 Speaker 1: Every Tom Dick and Heary on Twitter's out the solution. 418 00:20:00,800 --> 00:20:02,639 Speaker 1: You know, they're telling them, do this, do this, do this. 419 00:20:03,280 --> 00:20:05,280 Speaker 1: What are you looking for, coach, you got the mike? 420 00:20:05,400 --> 00:20:08,439 Speaker 1: What can these kids do to put themselves in a 421 00:20:08,440 --> 00:20:12,240 Speaker 1: position to get not only looks, but to get recruited? Um, 422 00:20:12,440 --> 00:20:14,760 Speaker 1: what's the secret, sauce. How do they come play for 423 00:20:14,800 --> 00:20:18,560 Speaker 1: you to Arizona, do the right thing, you know, do 424 00:20:18,560 --> 00:20:20,560 Speaker 1: the do the right thing, do their job and do 425 00:20:20,600 --> 00:20:23,320 Speaker 1: it well. Um. We we obviously we have a ton 426 00:20:23,359 --> 00:20:25,359 Speaker 1: of resources that we can scurry the country and we 427 00:20:25,359 --> 00:20:29,000 Speaker 1: can look for whomever, um that can fit our program. 428 00:20:29,240 --> 00:20:32,080 Speaker 1: But for for our program right now, what we're looking 429 00:20:32,080 --> 00:20:34,520 Speaker 1: for is we're looking for guys that are uh that 430 00:20:34,640 --> 00:20:36,639 Speaker 1: do the right things on and off the field, that 431 00:20:36,720 --> 00:20:39,679 Speaker 1: are willing to, you know, be committed in the classroom, 432 00:20:39,720 --> 00:20:41,840 Speaker 1: that are willing to be committed in their community, that 433 00:20:41,920 --> 00:20:45,880 Speaker 1: don't make mistakes that that cost them their their careers 434 00:20:46,040 --> 00:20:48,800 Speaker 1: or cost them their high school years. Or I don't 435 00:20:48,840 --> 00:20:50,840 Speaker 1: like kids that are suspended, and I don't like kids 436 00:20:50,840 --> 00:20:54,920 Speaker 1: that have you know, ran away from competition. I think 437 00:20:54,960 --> 00:20:57,000 Speaker 1: that you know, go out there and compete, Go out 438 00:20:57,000 --> 00:20:59,080 Speaker 1: there and be the best you possibly can be, and 439 00:20:59,680 --> 00:21:02,560 Speaker 1: make the weight room a priority, make the classroom a priority, 440 00:21:02,640 --> 00:21:06,479 Speaker 1: and just keep doing it. Just keep working, keep working, working, working, 441 00:21:06,520 --> 00:21:08,919 Speaker 1: and then you know, when you get that opportunity to 442 00:21:08,960 --> 00:21:12,320 Speaker 1: go perform in front of the best, you know John 443 00:21:12,320 --> 00:21:15,000 Speaker 1: Wooden's competitive greatness, be your best when your best is needed. 444 00:21:15,280 --> 00:21:16,879 Speaker 1: And I think if you could find guys like that. 445 00:21:17,040 --> 00:21:19,760 Speaker 1: You got a chance to have a special team. Coach 446 00:21:19,840 --> 00:21:22,359 Speaker 1: fish cannot wait to see what you put together. I 447 00:21:22,400 --> 00:21:24,920 Speaker 1: know it's gonna be just top notch, gonna do big 448 00:21:24,920 --> 00:21:27,280 Speaker 1: things in the Pack twelve. I'm really grateful for your 449 00:21:27,280 --> 00:21:29,560 Speaker 1: time coming on their chairing, your insight, share in your feedback. 450 00:21:29,600 --> 00:21:32,760 Speaker 1: Coach can't thank you enough, Sir, appreciate it. Take care. 451 00:21:33,080 --> 00:21:36,720 Speaker 1: That's Jed fish Head, football coach at the University of Arizona. 452 00:21:36,880 --> 00:21:39,840 Speaker 1: Thanks for listening to the Reformed Sports Project podcast. I'm 453 00:21:39,920 --> 00:21:42,240 Speaker 1: Nick Booncourt and our goal is to restore a healthy 454 00:21:42,240 --> 00:21:45,640 Speaker 1: balance and perspective in all areas of sports through education 455 00:21:45,800 --> 00:21:49,240 Speaker 1: and advocacy. For updates, please follow us on Facebook, Twitter, 456 00:21:49,400 --> 00:21:52,080 Speaker 1: and Instagram, or check out our website by searching for 457 00:21:52,119 --> 00:21:53,440 Speaker 1: the Reform Sports Project.