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Speaker 1: What's up, man man? What's popping? What's up?
Speaker 2: Buddy good Man.
Speaker 1: Just landed in LA. I was in New York finishing
Speaker 1: this new album, uh, the Killer Whales of Gotham. I decided,
Speaker 1: the Killer Whales of Gotham. Yeah, we went to we
Speaker 1: went to uh Staten Island. Okay, So you know, I
Speaker 1: was a garbage man and uh I met a kid
Speaker 1: who's a garbage man. And I was in the in
Speaker 1: the barber shop and they playing this kid's beats and
Speaker 1: I'm like, yeah, who produced that? Like some garbage man
Speaker 1: from stant Allen. And I was like, yo, give me
Speaker 1: his number. I called him, like, yo, you produce these beasts.
Speaker 1: He's like yeah, his name is Casella, dom Casella and
Speaker 1: some Italian kid. And I was like, yo, I want
Speaker 1: to record. I wanted to record on these beast. He's like, Yo,
Speaker 1: why don't you just slide through over here like Stanton Allen.
Speaker 1: He's like yeah, he's like come through. He's gotta work
Speaker 1: with metha man whatever. Dang. And I was like all right, cool,
Speaker 1: Well that's kind of rap album I kind of want
Speaker 1: to be doing right now. We'll be in a rap bag.
Speaker 1: So I started this album, and I've been locked in
Speaker 1: in New York. I haven't really came back here. Plants
Speaker 1: died in.
Speaker 2: The crib like you're in. I mean, I feel like
Speaker 2: you've been you were in LA forever.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I've been in LA for a while. Yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: I mean I have to move out, you know, Like
Speaker 1: it feels like the I love La, man, I don't
Speaker 1: hate LA. I love LA. I just think, you know,
Speaker 1: you you eventually have to like move out to let
Speaker 1: people know around you, like you really are on type shit.
Speaker 2: Right you feel. I feel like you kind of also
Speaker 2: like you've been through like so many different like you've
Speaker 2: kind of been thrown into the blender of the music
Speaker 2: industry and kind of spit out the other side. I
Speaker 2: think about, like, you know, obviously the Rock Day shit RCA.
Speaker 2: It's just like, you know, I feel like you kind
Speaker 2: of made like this like amazing music throughout your whole career,
Speaker 2: but for whatever reason, like the label would never get
Speaker 2: behind it the way I thought that they should. Like
Speaker 2: I think about the nineteen eighty four hour, I'm like, yo,
Speaker 2: this is this. You were kind of ahead of your time,
Speaker 2: like a lot of people, kind of everybody after that
Speaker 2: after that yeah, yeah, we did. If you had sting
Speaker 2: on that ship.
Speaker 1: Yeah, man, thank you, bro. You know, I also I
Speaker 1: recently did, like the time while we had that interview
Speaker 1: for nineteen eighty four, I was finishing Brooklyn Cowboy, which
Speaker 1: is a country album. Yeah, that was twenty twenty, and
Speaker 1: they were like, uh, we ain't doing no country album
Speaker 1: and I ended up getting in a fight with the label.
Speaker 2: So you were already working on it before it was
Speaker 2: the thing, because that was one thing I saw you do,
Speaker 2: the country thing, and I was like, well that's kind
Speaker 2: of random.
Speaker 1: Yeah. Yeah. I started the country album twenty nineteen, finished
Speaker 1: it in twenty twenty, delivered it. They didn't want to
Speaker 1: put it out. They said country is not the move.
Speaker 1: That's just not it, and then four years later it
Speaker 1: became the hottest shit. Yeah everybody. But I thought to
Speaker 1: get that album because I wanted to own it. So
Speaker 1: as soon as I was off RCA, started my own
Speaker 1: label on February twenty third, which is you know, off
Speaker 1: RCA O RCA is ORCA. That's how my label started,
Speaker 1: off RCA, and I just felt yeah, off rc Yeah yeah,
Speaker 1: so I kind of felt like, you know, I kind
Speaker 1: of felt like I was a killer whale in SeaWorld.
Speaker 1: You know, labels is the sea World. So I said, yo,
Speaker 1: fuck sea World. You know, started my whole shit, got
Speaker 1: my own chain. I ain't wait for nothing.
Speaker 2: And that's a good good reper or a good uh
Speaker 2: you know, I see it.
Speaker 1: Thank you man. So yeah, just you know I've been
Speaker 1: You're right though, I've been put in all this and
Speaker 1: I do all types of music. I've always done it
Speaker 1: since the beginning of my career. But you know, rap
Speaker 1: and hip hop is like what got me started. If
Speaker 1: you listen to every single album I've ever put out,
Speaker 1: you always hear a hip hop or rap element, and
Speaker 1: all the albums, you know, because the culture, I feel like,
Speaker 1: you know, a lot of the songs that I was
Speaker 1: sampled then rap are not. It's not hip hop or
Speaker 1: rap music that sample is. They sample jazz, You sample
Speaker 1: pop music, you know, So regardless, like the culture and
Speaker 1: rap always is always involved in every genre.
Speaker 2: Yeah, and you also were the first one of the
Speaker 2: first artists I remember like, uh really kind of people
Speaker 2: finding on Spotify. Yeah yeah, when yeah, like I think
Speaker 2: it was when Tuma was running things like early rap Caviar,
Speaker 2: Like I remember you like a lot of people like like,
Speaker 2: that's I think that might be. I think i'd heard
Speaker 2: of you, but I think I really like got hit
Speaker 2: to the music just because you were on I forget
Speaker 2: what playlist it was, but you were.
Speaker 1: Like caveat facetop hits. I mean when those playlists mattered,
Speaker 1: you know what I mean. Now it's just like whatever, Like.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I feel like the playlist nowadays are like I
Speaker 2: don't know, man. You know, I always say that the
Speaker 2: blog era was the ship back in the day because
Speaker 2: there were gatekeepers, but at least they had a good taste.
Speaker 1: You know. That's what I'm saying. You know, it's so funny.
Speaker 1: Man just ran into this dude, Mecca, my boy. Shout
Speaker 1: out to Mecca. Man just ran into him. I did
Speaker 1: an interview. They got this new thing called Create Diggins.
Speaker 2: Yeah it was Mecca and Shake from Yeah.
Speaker 1: So shout out to Shake. Shout out to Mecca. I mean, yeah,
Speaker 1: you're right. You just said it like they had taste. Nowadays,
Speaker 1: it's just like people buying slots and stuff, you know.
Speaker 2: Or it's just like numbers. It's like where's what's the algorithm?
Speaker 2: And then there's like, okay, how much of this is
Speaker 2: like because everybody who like at the end of the day,
Speaker 2: like if you're on a major label for the most
Speaker 2: part and you're like a major priority, there is like
Speaker 2: some level of like inflating the numbers.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean all the numbers is fake. You know
Speaker 1: what I'm saying. I don't want to be up here
Speaker 1: sounding like rustling shit, but like, you know, the reality
Speaker 1: is a lot of the ship is fake. A lot
Speaker 1: of the ship's bootleg. And you know it's like it's
Speaker 1: like you can't see it. You like search the numbers
Speaker 1: on your laptop, you see, Like why is like twenty
Speaker 1: million people listening to this artist in Bangladesh? Like why
Speaker 1: are they so popping in and the Philippines.
Speaker 2: Or in fucking like you know, Estonia, Russia something crazy?
Speaker 1: Well, I can't say now Russia is lit because you know,
Speaker 1: we sold fifteen thousand tickets in Russia, you know what
Speaker 1: I mean? So you know Russia is really streaming.
Speaker 2: Year was this I don't even remember when the conflict
Speaker 2: I don't know. I just try to figure that out now.
Speaker 1: It was back in the day now, But yeah, my
Speaker 1: manager did get taken taken and pushed the side they
Speaker 1: had because this passport had a rip in and so
Speaker 1: he had to wait for us to be finished with
Speaker 1: the show. Yeah, it was kind of stressful over there,
Speaker 1: but you know, fan base in Russia, Germany, Like when
Speaker 1: I did Germany, I was opening up for Playbook Cardi.
Speaker 1: I was on tour Cardi and those kids. They just
Speaker 1: love the underground ship. They don't really care about like
Speaker 1: the number one song and this and that, Like you're
Speaker 1: not really listening to the stuff Americans are listening to
Speaker 1: over there. They like like Suicide Boys, they like like
Speaker 1: Little Peep and shit like that. You know, bones so bones. Yeah.
Speaker 2: It's crazy too because like a lot of fans, I
Speaker 2: feel like they've been programmed to, like, you know, come
Speaker 2: up with an opinion on an artist or a song
Speaker 2: based on what their profile and Spotify looks like like
Speaker 2: if you open up if you opened up some Spotify
Speaker 2: profile and they only have like I don't know, ten
Speaker 2: thousand monthly listeners like this shit, ain't it? Like Yeah,
Speaker 2: I feel like it's a thing. I mean, you know,
Speaker 2: the problem instead of finding artists, and the.
Speaker 1: Problem is people want people are listening with their eyes,
Speaker 1: you know what I mean, and not theirs. And it's
Speaker 1: sad because you know, you see the situation we in now.
Speaker 1: It's like music has become so accessible people don't respect it,
Speaker 1: and it's terrible. Back in our day, I mean talking
Speaker 1: about me and we were just say, it's probably thirty eight,
Speaker 1: I'm thirty four, Like same shit. Yeah, you know, it's
Speaker 1: like you waited online, you grabbed a CD, you opened
Speaker 1: it up, you read the lyrics, you cared about it,
Speaker 1: you cared about what the artist had to say, the
Speaker 1: package and everything, and it made you feel something like
Speaker 1: when you held the CD, like this hard work. I
Speaker 1: got this shit, you know what I mean. But now
Speaker 1: it's like shit comes out at twelve. You just go
Speaker 1: skim through it and then they fucking judge you based
Speaker 1: on one listen, they skim right through it.
Speaker 2: And I'll do like like some of these streams just
Speaker 2: so cringey.
Speaker 1: Bro oh my god.
Speaker 2: D I saw and you know, I got love for
Speaker 2: the Nelk Voys, but I saw Kyle from NELK and
Speaker 2: Aiden Ross trying to talk about the Drake Kendrick Beefe
Speaker 2: and it was like watching two blind people talk about
Speaker 2: it hating. It was hilarious.
Speaker 1: I mean, what Tyler the creators say recently, he said,
Speaker 1: some people don't deserve a mic or like some people
Speaker 1: should not be able.
Speaker 2: To, especially when it comes to like certain shit. It's like, yo, man,
Speaker 2: like y'all talk about I don't know what the fuck
Speaker 2: they talk about, but you know, just like leave the
Speaker 2: rapture alone. But now it's interesting, like it's definitely a
Speaker 2: thing because back then, like even if the album sucked,
Speaker 2: you spent your hard earned money on it, so you're
Speaker 2: gonna do your damnest to find a song that you like.
Speaker 1: You like, like one song on there was like good enough,
Speaker 1: you know what.
Speaker 2: I'm like, all right, well, look at least I got.
Speaker 1: At least I got this joint that I can play
Speaker 1: over and over again.
Speaker 2: But now it's like like you said, people once they
Speaker 2: skimmed through it. If you know it's it's damn near.
Speaker 1: It's fucked up. Man. You know, my father used to
Speaker 1: work at Warner as a garbage man, and they used
Speaker 1: to throw the CDs out months before it came out.
Speaker 1: The demos used to bring them home, and I would
Speaker 1: just listen to them as a kid, and I would
Speaker 1: pick the singles, you know, like with the ones I liked,
Speaker 1: I would just like grab a pen and like circle
Speaker 1: the ones I liked on a CD and they always
Speaker 1: ended up being the singles on the radio too, which
Speaker 1: is funny. So I like, somehow I ended up being
Speaker 1: my own like immigrant and who didn't speak English, but
Speaker 1: just love music, you know, love it.
Speaker 2: Talk about like for you, you know, just what was
Speaker 2: the motivation to you know, obviously come off of doing
Speaker 2: a country album country so big, what was the motivation
Speaker 2: to get back to the grimy rap shit? Because this
Speaker 2: is really like your first like I would say, like
Speaker 2: in terms of this pocket and hip hop like project.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean I've always wrapped right, but never this
Speaker 1: good right because.
Speaker 2: Which was by choice.
Speaker 1: Yeah, my father got sick and it kind of fucked
Speaker 1: me up and I had to go back home, and uh,
Speaker 1: I don't know, it was just like I've been through.
Speaker 1: I had a hard four years in my life and
Speaker 1: I don't know, it's just like kind of forgot what
Speaker 1: reality was being in La right.
Speaker 2: Yeah, LA's dude. If you could put in that industry blender,
Speaker 2: you end up in all these events. Yeah, just around
Speaker 2: all these like super like finicky people who are only
Speaker 2: around you because of what they think you could do
Speaker 2: for them or.
Speaker 1: Yeah, man, I mean I went to New York. You
Speaker 1: know what I'm saying. I just got a whole family
Speaker 1: in New York, and uh, shit got real, you know
Speaker 1: what I mean, in my life and the weather change,
Speaker 1: shit got real. I needed to feel something again, so
Speaker 1: I started to pick up the shit that made me
Speaker 1: fall in love with it, you know what I mean.
Speaker 1: And I was like, I just love the shit. And
Speaker 1: then I had my homie who from high school, my
Speaker 1: boy a Jamal. She go by Jimmy Banks. He's one
Speaker 1: of my favorite rappers. And I put him on the
Speaker 1: album and I was like, you know what, it's time
Speaker 1: for me to give back to the people that I
Speaker 1: kind of grew up with. And I put him on
Speaker 1: the album with me, and it was just like it
Speaker 1: was like that. It was like Jordan Kobe, Like that's
Speaker 1: how I felt in school. We would kill that shit
Speaker 1: every lunch room. That was my homie. So I kind
Speaker 1: of wanted to go back to why I started the shit,
Speaker 1: because for a while, it just felt like music was
Speaker 1: just sad and I hated these rappers so much. They're
Speaker 1: so corny and they're lame, and in real life I
Speaker 1: would never want to beat them, you know, And rap
Speaker 1: was something that's so special and it got whack, it
Speaker 1: got watered down.
Speaker 2: Do you feel like the era in which your entry
Speaker 2: point in terms of like the mainstream of hip hop
Speaker 2: did it kind of because you kind of came in
Speaker 2: during I would say the Dark Ages. I always say
Speaker 2: I did it kind of like just like like like
Speaker 2: because when you when you're coveted and you're doing what
Speaker 2: you do and you have the talent that you have,
Speaker 2: and you've kind of seen like a lot of people,
Speaker 2: you know, getting braced to where maybe you know, you
Speaker 2: were you were with it at the you know, ground level,
Speaker 2: and but then you see guys like uh, not even
Speaker 2: to say names, just the SoundCloud era, just people were
Speaker 2: getting signed off of antics and not music, and you
Speaker 2: were like a true artist. So like I can only
Speaker 2: imagine like coming in at that time and trying to
Speaker 2: compete with funck shit for real. I mean it had
Speaker 2: to be like it had to be like tough.
Speaker 1: I don't know, it was tough, you know what I mean,
Speaker 1: But it was just like I was dealing with a
Speaker 1: lot of weird shit too, Like at the time, like
Speaker 1: I found, you know, I linked up with post Malone,
Speaker 1: and like I was dealing with his shit, like where
Speaker 1: we got into a beef because I dressed him up
Speaker 1: for his first videos. His first video ever was my video,
Speaker 1: you know what I mean. And it got weird because
Speaker 1: he kind of jumped into my management, Austin Rosen, who
Speaker 1: brought me into the music business. He's like the biggest
Speaker 1: dude in music now and he's the one who discovered me.
Speaker 1: I was homeless when he discovered me, you know what
Speaker 1: I mean, Like I had nothing, and then you got
Speaker 1: this kid post Malone who just comes into the picture
Speaker 1: and it felt like like like a soul swap. It
Speaker 1: was weird because like he wasn't really doing the sound
Speaker 1: we was doing and rapping and doing all that, you know,
Speaker 1: and it felt like a soul swap. It was like weird.
Speaker 1: We kind of looked the same and it was so weird.
Speaker 1: He like took the management. He took my management because
Speaker 1: at the time it was just Dray London, yeah, who
Speaker 1: was busting his ass to make the straight was killing
Speaker 1: it for sure, yeah at the time. And then he
Speaker 1: like grabbed my management and then he went and grabbed
Speaker 1: my producer Lewis Bell, and they took the template and
Speaker 1: just started doing.
Speaker 2: So this had to have been because he was working
Speaker 2: with the first and Charlie Hansen pretty rely.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 2: Yeah, that was before Charlie Hansen was Charlie Hansome.
Speaker 1: Yeah yeah, I mean those kids were and.
Speaker 2: They had they had they had like three records on
Speaker 2: sound three or four.
Speaker 1: Yeah yeah, yeah, but that was like he was doing
Speaker 1: what iverson and all that, you know what I'm saying.
Speaker 2: Yeah, one more, But.
Speaker 1: He wasn't doing like, he wasn't doing the ship that
Speaker 1: I was doing, you know what I mean. And then
Speaker 1: it got to a point where it was just negative.
Speaker 1: I was being negative on that ship. It was just
Speaker 1: like a bunch of like it was just a bunch
Speaker 1: of static between us, you know what I'm saying. And
Speaker 1: I was trying to figure the ship.
Speaker 2: It was it one sided though, because was there what
Speaker 2: did he didn't I'm sure he didn't have static towards you.
Speaker 1: Of course he did.
Speaker 2: He did, Okay, black ball, I didn't know that.
Speaker 1: You go around back balling me. He took fucking he
Speaker 1: took my agent. He done. He did everything to like
Speaker 1: really try to go out of his way. Him and
Speaker 1: his team, they did everything they could realize. Yeah, bro,
Speaker 1: like I deal with that ship till this day. I
Speaker 1: deal with that ship, you know what I mean? And whatever,
Speaker 1: we saw each other at the award show, Jelly Roll
Speaker 1: came up to me and said, what up? Because he's
Speaker 1: a real one and he was sitting right next to me.
Speaker 1: They had his both front row with at the thing,
Speaker 1: and he wouldn't looked at me. Dog, you know what
Speaker 1: I'm saying. You know what time? It is like if
Speaker 1: he was a real one, he knew he would be like, Yo,
Speaker 1: what up? Like chop it up?
Speaker 2: But you guys haven't had any combos, no, bro.
Speaker 1: He just he's a certified weirdough you know what I mean.
Speaker 1: And it's just like I don't give a fuck about
Speaker 1: that ship. The day I said the day because like
Speaker 1: there was a story about him. His plane couldn't land
Speaker 1: and he was about to like fucking die or some shit,
Speaker 1: and I was like, damn, Like I prayed for him.
Speaker 1: I called my mother because my mom was a Muslim woman,
Speaker 1: and I told her to say prayer for him because
Speaker 1: I like, really, I would never want any bad shit
Speaker 1: to happen anyone. I don't move that way. I'm like,
Speaker 1: I'm I'm a child of light, you know what I mean.
Speaker 1: So when I found the plane, landed, and like I
Speaker 1: said to myself, like, yo, bro, like I never want
Speaker 1: to deal with the ship again. I'm a dead this shit, Like,
Speaker 1: I never want to deal with that shit. And that's
Speaker 1: the same month I got my record deal. And that's
Speaker 1: the same month to Rock Nation and RCA and then
Speaker 1: I signed for millions of dollars and my life changed
Speaker 1: because I debdit that situation. I felt like I was like,
Speaker 1: let me move in this new direction, changed my sound up,
Speaker 1: changed everything. But every time I changed my sound up,
Speaker 1: it would be same ship. And then I'd be like, damn,
Speaker 1: I do the fucking this. He does do this? To
Speaker 1: do that? Do this?
Speaker 2: He didn't do eighties though, did he?
Speaker 1: Yes?
Speaker 2: Oh, I don't remember.
Speaker 1: Did the eighties ship? Did the country ship? I know?
Speaker 2: I think you did the eighties thing? And that I
Speaker 2: remember right after Torri did it and Toy did a
Speaker 2: great job there.
Speaker 1: And me and Tory got into it too because he
Speaker 1: was using my clips that's promo and I was like, yo,
Speaker 1: why are you using my clips? And he came at
Speaker 1: me in my DM and I was like, bro, look,
Speaker 1: I don't want to start. No.
Speaker 2: Both of them, both of your All's albums were fire.
Speaker 1: Yeah, one hundred percent. I like what you're Your.
Speaker 2: Album was, Man, I remember me and my artist Alexis
Speaker 2: because yeah, we love that album.
Speaker 1: Thank you.
Speaker 2: That's why that's my favorite body of work that you
Speaker 2: put out.
Speaker 1: I think I appreciate it, like, man, thank you. I
Speaker 1: ain't get no push on that, you know.
Speaker 2: You know what's crazy about that album is like I
Speaker 2: feel like I love the Tory album, but it sounds
Speaker 2: like it was made. It was like someone making an
Speaker 2: eighties album in twenty twenty five, yeah, or twenty twenty three.
Speaker 1: Yeah, twenty twenty whenever it was twenty.
Speaker 2: Twenty your album. It felt like if you've got into
Speaker 2: a time machine and you just press play on the radio.
Speaker 2: It sounded like the fucking eighties it.
Speaker 1: I mean, that's why I tried to do with Brooklyn
Speaker 1: Cowboy too, that country album. You know. It's like the
Speaker 1: thing is is like when you're making a body of work,
Speaker 1: like you need to live that shit, right, you understand.
Speaker 1: That's why when you're like, yo, you haven't been that
Speaker 1: lay in a while, it's because yeah, I dealt with
Speaker 1: family shit. But at the same time, I had to
Speaker 1: go to stant Island, right, I had to live in
Speaker 1: stand Island. I had to go to the gym and
Speaker 1: Stanton Island. I have to like do the stand Island
Speaker 1: shit to be in New York, to be like, Yo,
Speaker 1: this is what Wu Tang was going through, like to
Speaker 1: make this, because it's like I need to have a
Speaker 1: full experience to make a whole project like that. You
Speaker 1: know what I'm saying.
Speaker 2: Yeah, during the country shit, you were running around probably Nashville.
Speaker 1: No fuck that, I ain't do that. No, I ain't
Speaker 1: do that. That's what he That's what they did. They
Speaker 1: went to fucking Nashville and got every feature in fucking Nashville.
Speaker 1: To make yourself look good. I went to fucking muscle
Speaker 1: shows Alabama. If you guys don't know muscle shows Alabama.
Speaker 1: Watched the documentary The Rolling Stones, Aretha Franklin, all the greats,
Speaker 1: every single hit we ever loved was recorded in this
Speaker 1: place called muscle shows. And I fucking did that shit. Bro.
Speaker 1: I'm so happy that I went there and I recorded
Speaker 1: Brooklyn Cowboy muscle Shows, and I drove straight to Brooklyn
Speaker 1: from that and made Brooklyn Cowboy. You know what I'm saying.
Speaker 1: The hats are so dope. Put the Yankee logo on
Speaker 1: the fucking cowboy hat and it sold so much, so
Speaker 1: many hats, you know what I'm saying.
Speaker 2: Yeah, you're like I think I feel like, you know,
Speaker 2: you got too many records, Like I think of like safety,
Speaker 2: like safeties. I got a fucking joint.
Speaker 1: Could how did not go to radio with that with
Speaker 1: Chris Brown on that? You know what I'm saying, It
Speaker 1: is what it is. Safety creep on me changed my life.
Speaker 1: You know, I got like twelve gold records.
Speaker 2: That's a lot, dude.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I never had a hit though I got twelve
Speaker 1: gold records.
Speaker 2: To I mean, even like my year, I feel like
Speaker 2: should have been like a big scene. I mean, was
Speaker 2: it a big single sink record for you? I feel
Speaker 2: like I saw.
Speaker 1: It got paid. You know what I'm saying. My year
Speaker 1: it's weird because I always have this luck where like
Speaker 1: my music hits the sports right.
Speaker 2: Yeah, about to say, I remember seeing it on the sports.
Speaker 1: Yeah. So when Toronto won, they played my year. They
Speaker 1: ain't play no drag record, they played my ship. When
Speaker 1: Yankee started their season, they played my year. So my
Speaker 1: year was played. It's been something they play all the time,
Speaker 1: you know what I mean. It's like it's like I'm
Speaker 1: Mariah Carey of New Year's with that shit. You know,
Speaker 1: it's like really cool because they play it every New Year's.
Speaker 1: I see the streams jump up, you know. And recently
Speaker 1: I did a song with Whiskey Leaf called Better, and
Speaker 1: every game the Knicks used to hype before the game.
Speaker 1: So I'm at when I said there at the games,
Speaker 1: I'm like, damn, this is really my song and I'm
Speaker 1: doing it independently.
Speaker 2: You know, have you got to hang out with Gorilla
Speaker 2: Nems out there in New York yet?
Speaker 1: No? I haven't.
Speaker 2: Man, Look, you mentioned the Knicks. I'm je like you
Speaker 2: guys got I feel like you guys are like you
Speaker 2: and Ems hanging out in Coney Island. That's my guy.
Speaker 2: He's the most hilarious motherfucker alive. And he's also like
Speaker 2: just an amazing artist, Like really, but he's he's fucking hilarious.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I've seen him a few times.
Speaker 2: Man, he's a rapper.
Speaker 1: We never really have a conversation, but like, I respect
Speaker 1: what he does. I remember where I was. I was
Speaker 1: in like Texas or some shit. I ran to Paul
Speaker 1: Rosenberg and he was telling me about Oh.
Speaker 2: Yeah, because Rosenberg signed MS took Aliath.
Speaker 1: Yeah, he was telling me. I mean, I love it, man,
Speaker 1: I think I think I love the fact that like
Speaker 1: he does him, he's in his own world. And I
Speaker 1: don't know too much, but from what I heard where
Speaker 1: I see the freestyles and stuff, you got bars, he's
Speaker 1: super dope.
Speaker 2: So what is I guess? You know with this album?
Speaker 2: Would you say sonically it's very much like nineties?
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's nineties, but it's still new. I got some
Speaker 1: I got newer ship too on there, just because I
Speaker 1: need the streams. Yeah, Like I got a song called
Speaker 1: Rings okay with Gez on there because it's like I
Speaker 1: want to.
Speaker 2: Get And he was out in New York too for
Speaker 2: he Yeah, I think he just left. Yeah he was
Speaker 2: out there for like.
Speaker 1: At least a year.
Speaker 2: Yeah he got another apartment Okay, I saw he moved
Speaker 2: down in his apartments. I don't know if he got
Speaker 2: a new one.
Speaker 1: He lives out here too. Yeah. Rings kind of different
Speaker 1: than I got a song called London with Gigs on there.
Speaker 1: That's not New York. It's just but I need these
Speaker 1: records for people that don't listen to Griselda all the time,
Speaker 1: don't listen to Alchemists.
Speaker 2: Well, and then you have like a worldly audience too.
Speaker 1: Yeah, you know what I'm saying. All the European show,
Speaker 1: all my European shows sold out, you know what I mean.
Speaker 1: Like that's what that's where the money's at. So I
Speaker 1: got to still feed them that ship that they liked
Speaker 1: in my years and all that. But majority of the album,
Speaker 1: it's all like I produce the majority of the ship.
Speaker 1: Oh you made the beats too, Yeah, it's just all
Speaker 1: like simple samples. It just loops me wrapping on them.
Speaker 2: Nope, not a lot of drums.
Speaker 1: Not not a lot of drums, no hooks either.
Speaker 2: That's the new ship.
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's just me rapping.
Speaker 2: Man, It's just like and then I guess it's not
Speaker 2: that new now because then this has been cracking for
Speaker 2: so long.
Speaker 1: Yeah, and then it's me introducing my favorite rapper too,
Speaker 1: you know what I mean.
Speaker 2: They got Banks.
Speaker 1: Yeah, he's the fucking I think Jimmy I put Jimmy Banks.
Speaker 1: I think Jimmy Banks is better than any rapp in
Speaker 1: New York right now period. Dope. I put him against
Speaker 1: anybody like like it's it's it's a no brainer, like
Speaker 1: this man crazy? Yeah, Yeah, what.
Speaker 2: Is uh for you?
Speaker 1: Man?
Speaker 2: Like you obviously.
Speaker 1: You know.
Speaker 2: You come from immigrant parents.
Speaker 1: You know.
Speaker 2: You are somebody who you know was not born in
Speaker 2: the United States but change your life by moving here.
Speaker 2: What do you What is your take on what's going
Speaker 2: on with all this mass deportation.
Speaker 1: Ship going on us? Heartless and crazy. I don't fuck
Speaker 1: with it. I think it's terrible. I saw this video, man,
Speaker 1: That shit brought me to tears. There was this girl
Speaker 1: screaming at her mom from a gate, telling her she's
Speaker 1: gonna get her out and bring her back. And I mean, bro,
Speaker 1: like it breaks my heart. And it's because it hits home.
Speaker 1: You know. I was born in Libya, bro, and we
Speaker 1: were trying to get into America for so fucking long, bro,
Speaker 1: And every time we hit a country where they didn't
Speaker 1: accept us as refugees, we would be sent back. So
Speaker 1: it's like a video game and you'd have to start
Speaker 1: all over again.
Speaker 2: Should they tend you back to Libya?
Speaker 1: Yeah?
Speaker 2: And this is Goodafi's Libya? Yeah Yeah.
Speaker 1: And you know what I'm saying, Like, Bro, my parents
Speaker 1: never decided to go to America. I would probably be
Speaker 1: a Muslim man married with kids right now in Libya.
Speaker 1: Like my life would never be signing to jay z
Speaker 1: RCA putting out these records, like right, I grew up
Speaker 1: on Arabic music, right, all my melodies are Arabic, you
Speaker 1: know what I'm saying. And I'm Albani and I'm not
Speaker 1: even right right, right, right, right, this is crazy, Like,
Speaker 1: you know, I can't believe it. I just feel like
Speaker 1: you got to believe in God, man, like I believe
Speaker 1: in God so much, because it's like I had to
Speaker 1: be here, like I was a mistake. My mother didn't
Speaker 1: even know she was gonna have me, you know what
Speaker 1: I'm saying. She found out they issued my dad was like, nah,
Speaker 1: you know, we can't have them, and she ended up
Speaker 1: having me on the kitchen floor in Libya in like
Speaker 1: a big refugee building, you know what I'm saying. And
Speaker 1: then from there I just feel like I changed that life,
Speaker 1: you know what I'm saying, Like this it was meant
Speaker 1: to be, you know what I mean.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I think it's just sad because there's just so
Speaker 2: much like there's like zero nuance or context. It feels
Speaker 2: like put into any of these people getting like swept
Speaker 2: off the street outside of you know, maybe they're saying
Speaker 2: things about a foreign country that we're not allowed to
Speaker 2: say anymore. I guess, but it's kind of messed up
Speaker 2: twild times we're living.
Speaker 1: I was supposed to have my best friend come meet
Speaker 1: me to go to Coachella with me from Germany and
Speaker 1: they have a list like they're not letting people in
Speaker 1: from Germany. Oh shit, not letting people in from certain countries.
Speaker 1: And it's just weird. I don't understand it.
Speaker 2: That's get into Did you go to Coachella this past weekend? Nah,
Speaker 2: you're going this weekend.
Speaker 1: I was supposed to because I was supposed to be
Speaker 1: a few things. Yeah, you know, shout out to my publicist,
Speaker 1: you know, Forefront Group. You know, they were supposed to
Speaker 1: get me a bunch of shit.
Speaker 2: And you've done Coachella, right.
Speaker 1: Uh? No, I I was supposed to do it. I
Speaker 1: didn't do it, Okay. I kind of just been waiting
Speaker 1: for me to have my moment, you know what I
Speaker 1: man to have, like the Jelly Roll moment, the fucking
Speaker 1: moment of like the Doja Cat moment.
Speaker 2: Yeah, the Jelly Roll thing, Like I'm really I've been
Speaker 2: friends with Jelly since like twenty and eleven or twelve
Speaker 2: something like that, and uh, you know, I would always
Speaker 2: tell that full like you know, as soon as people
Speaker 2: anyone who meets him loves him, and he's always been
Speaker 2: he's always been the same guy. So it's like like, hey, dude,
Speaker 2: as soon as you fuck it the world meets you,
Speaker 2: it's over, you know what I mean.
Speaker 1: Yeah, Yeah, he's amazing. Yeah, No, he's he he he
Speaker 1: linked up in Nashville.
Speaker 2: He's gonna be as I just told him, Like I
Speaker 2: was like, you're gonna the white Snoop Dogg bro.
Speaker 1: Yeah, because you know why, that's a crazy, yo, that's crazy.
Speaker 2: He's the white Snoop And like, like it doesn't even
Speaker 2: matter musically what happens, He's always going to just be,
Speaker 2: like he's gonna be. Just being him is good enough
Speaker 2: for him to be straight for like Snoop Dogg, Like
Speaker 2: he's being able to get bags just for being like
Speaker 2: it's crazy, like he just got an American bag.
Speaker 1: You said that, man, that's a bro. You know what
Speaker 1: you're talking about. It's so dope. It's because his name
Speaker 1: matches him. Yeah, Snoop Dogg matches Snoop like you put
Speaker 1: the name to the face. It's like the branding is
Speaker 1: so perfect.
Speaker 2: Yeah, And like his story is so crazy, like if
Speaker 2: you know him, like and just the shit he went
Speaker 2: through and like the drug shit and yeah, yeah shit
Speaker 2: with his daughter. It's just beautiful to see. But yeah,
Speaker 2: like you said, I feel like you've had you've been closed.
Speaker 2: I mean it's it's interesting though, because you are so
Speaker 2: big outside of the US in terms of like Europe,
Speaker 2: Like you're massive, dude, So like, what is your biggest
Speaker 2: A market outside of the States.
Speaker 1: Germany Parish? Yeah, got Kosovo, Albania, everything in Europe from London,
Speaker 1: they're always top listeners, you know.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I'm sure Cosovo Albania has got to be fun
Speaker 2: to go to and go back to the homeland. It's
Speaker 2: like you Action, Bronx and Dualipa. Yeah yeah, I think
Speaker 2: that's the big three. Yeah.
Speaker 1: Yeah, shout out to Bronson, man, I love him, that's
Speaker 1: my guy. I just love my country, you know what
Speaker 1: I'm saying. I love my people. I love my women too,
Speaker 1: Like the alband girls, like some of the most beautiful
Speaker 1: women you have ever seen in your life, you know, yeah,
Speaker 1: being women. It's like, yeah, it's like I love allband girls.
Speaker 1: You know, they're the best.
Speaker 2: Why why did you name it the Killer Whales of Gotham.
Speaker 1: I named the album the Killer Whales of Gotham because
Speaker 1: I saw Wales in New York City and I didn't
Speaker 1: know we had Wales by the Statute of Liberty, right,
Speaker 1: And my whole new shit is fuck sea World because
Speaker 1: the labels of Sea World, you know. And I felt
Speaker 1: like I was Willie bro I was being contained my
Speaker 1: whole career, right. I love that. Yeah, And I need
Speaker 1: to find a way to jump over that wall and
Speaker 1: be free from all this bullshit telling me what to do.
Speaker 1: Is A and R is are artists that never made.
Speaker 2: It, yeah, and they all have their own.
Speaker 1: Ulterior motives exactly so they failed and they want to
Speaker 1: see you fail, so they feel good about it for sure.
Speaker 1: And I was like, fuck this ship, man, I gotta
Speaker 1: get out of here. But I thought, how dope would
Speaker 1: it be if there was Killer Whales and Gotham, New York.
Speaker 1: So I came up with the whole you know, it's
Speaker 1: a shark invested fucking business man. How sick would it
Speaker 1: be when the Killers Killer Wales come around and all
Speaker 1: the sharks run away? You know? So the Killer wells Gotham.
Speaker 1: I started a group all my favorite rappers in New
Speaker 1: York that I grew up with or in the group
Speaker 1: called the Killer Welles's dope. Yeah, I love that.
Speaker 2: So you're going to do like a are you going
Speaker 2: to do like a whole project eventually?
Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean we do a whole project. Like it's
Speaker 1: about putting people along, you know, huh, you never know,
Speaker 1: you know what I'm saying, But it's about putting people on.
Speaker 1: I mean, last time we seen that was ASAP for sure, it's.
Speaker 2: Been a while. Yeah, it's I mean Griselda to Yeah, obviously,
Speaker 2: Griselda's a crew label.
Speaker 1: You know that.
Speaker 2: Everybody has had a lot of success on In terms
Speaker 2: of the main three guys.
Speaker 1: I love Griselda, man, I think, I think. I think
Speaker 1: Griselda and Doci made me want to rap again too.
Speaker 2: Yeah, because Doci's an alien.
Speaker 1: Yeah, she's fucking dope. She's so talented, so talented, she's
Speaker 1: so dope. Everything about her is just a one. She's
Speaker 1: dope and her team is incredible.
Speaker 2: When you look back at your albums twenty sixteen with
Speaker 2: Stairs all the way to now, what's your favorite project?
Speaker 1: I think my favorite album is nineteen eighty four.
Speaker 2: It's a great album.
Speaker 1: Thank you man. I loved that album a lot. I
Speaker 1: was very confident on that album. And then I would
Speaker 1: think the new one, Killa Well is a Gotham is
Speaker 1: going to end up being my favorite one, even though Brooklyn,
Speaker 1: Cowboy Elevators, all of them are so dope. But like
Speaker 1: this new one, and it's just.
Speaker 2: What was the most successful one?
Speaker 1: Got you? Yeah? The self titled Yes, because they put
Speaker 1: money behind it. That's the first one.
Speaker 2: Yeah, your biggest records are on that one.
Speaker 1: Yeah, like two hundred million. A lot of every song
Speaker 1: on there is over one hundred million.
Speaker 2: That what you're I forget what you what you're doing
Speaker 2: to drop the four from your name?
Speaker 1: Oh? Twenty eighteen, I signed to him, though, like you
Speaker 1: need to take the party name G four. She I
Speaker 1: was the first one to put a four on my name,
Speaker 1: you know what I mean a lot of artists now
Speaker 1: they put fours in their name, do they? Yeah? I
Speaker 1: don't know, dud Joey Franchise.
Speaker 2: Of course, shout out to my brother.
Speaker 1: Joey Franchise played my new record on the radio.
Speaker 2: In Tampa and Wild ninety four one. I do nights there.
Speaker 2: I'm the night show there.
Speaker 1: Really, yeah, man, shout out to Joey Man, that's the
Speaker 1: first dude to ever put me on the fucking.
Speaker 2: The Hertford goat right there, yeah, Connecticut.
Speaker 1: G Yeah, that's the first dude to put me on
Speaker 1: on Uh.
Speaker 2: He is a serious sneaker fetish that I feel like, Uh,
Speaker 2: the tariffs are going to fact.
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's crazy because like we used to go around
Speaker 1: because I went to school in Massachusetts.
Speaker 2: So where'd you go? You mass right?
Speaker 1: I went to you mask, got left there after a
Speaker 1: year and I went to a c I met Joey
Speaker 1: and he like put me on his radio show.
Speaker 2: He's doing radio in Boston, yeah too, yeah.
Speaker 1: Yeah, And then we went to Connecticut. He put me
Speaker 1: on the radio in Connecticut. Good guy. Joey's the real one. Man. Like,
Speaker 1: there's nothing for me to say except for show love
Speaker 1: because he's just a real, real, real solid dude and
Speaker 1: he's been supporting me since I shout out to Joey franchise.
Speaker 2: Yo, you can you tell me what it was like
Speaker 2: torn with Cardi back then?
Speaker 1: I mean, let me tell you, bro, Like the Cardi
Speaker 1: I know now and see now, I don't know how
Speaker 1: recognized I went there, but look, bro, I've toured with
Speaker 1: this guy named black Bear.
Speaker 2: Shout out to black Bear, very talented.
Speaker 1: Yeah, he's a bitch, And I think it's so crazy
Speaker 1: because he's the biggest hater ever.
Speaker 2: Yeah, he lost a lot of weight, he got his
Speaker 2: drug addiction under control from IC.
Speaker 1: I don't know, I don't give a fuck. Okay, he's
Speaker 1: pussy And I think it's so crazy the fact that,
Speaker 1: like he we killed the show so bad. He made
Speaker 1: like security guards take shits in my green room, used
Speaker 1: the towels and abused me until I had to like
Speaker 1: say something. He turned the lights off on the show
Speaker 1: because everybody would like come to see me, and then
Speaker 1: after the show they would leave. Yeah here, they'd fucking leave.
Speaker 1: And he hated it, and his management was like, well,
Speaker 1: we made a mistake having him opened up. We should
Speaker 1: have gotten somebody that was not as popping. And it
Speaker 1: was just rude, you know what I'm saying. And he
Speaker 1: would do things that well here was that like I
Speaker 1: don't know two that was nineteen or something, and so
Speaker 1: what show we were at Philly turned all the lights
Speaker 1: off while I was performing on stage. That embarrassed me
Speaker 1: and I ended up falling and hurting my kney really bad.
Speaker 1: Almost told my acl and I decided to walk off
Speaker 1: that tour, and he tried to as team and with
Speaker 1: like trying to like get me to like be cool
Speaker 1: and just be like, hey, we're sorry and trying to
Speaker 1: make me a bottle and whatever apologize to me. And
Speaker 1: it was just like, nah, bro, you cross the line.
Speaker 1: You know what I'm saying the whole tour. You were
Speaker 1: doing that.
Speaker 2: At the whole tour.
Speaker 1: You abused me the whole tour. And I was trying
Speaker 1: to be cool because I was just thankful to be.
Speaker 2: There, just to be there, yeah, because yeah, twenty nineteen,
Speaker 2: it was a good year for him.
Speaker 1: And good year for me, you know, and he was
Speaker 1: just not He was just not a good person, you
Speaker 1: know what I'm saying. And I'm over it. Obviously. I
Speaker 1: don't care. I don't even give a fuck about that shit.
Speaker 1: But you know, I'm not going to sit here and
Speaker 1: be like play the fucking card of being like politically
Speaker 1: correct or whatever, like just play the card to be
Speaker 1: a nice guy, like fuck him, you know what I'm saying.
Speaker 1: But then the opposite is like Playboy CARDI. You got
Speaker 1: a kid who's like three years younger than me and
Speaker 1: brings me on tour let's me open up for him
Speaker 1: in Europe and was the sweetest man in the world.
Speaker 1: Playbook Cardi is the sweetest man in the world. He's
Speaker 1: so real. It's mad bitches. Like I remember, I was
Speaker 1: in the other green room at the time. I ain't
Speaker 1: really have money. It was just me and my DJ
Speaker 1: and he came in with his whole squad rolled the
Speaker 1: blunt up was like, yo, here's a blunt for you.
Speaker 1: And then he was he came in with mad bitches
Speaker 1: and he was she was He's like, which one you like?
Speaker 1: And I was like, oh, you know, it's cool, Like
Speaker 1: we cool. And he's like, y'all I need you to
Speaker 1: like like pointed at the girls, like y'all need you
Speaker 1: to fuck my man. It's like, god us mad pussy,
Speaker 1: he got us weed, he got us drenks like serving
Speaker 1: you up. I like that. Carti's like so real, bro,
Speaker 1: Playboo Cardi is like, look, bro, there's a lot of rappers,
Speaker 1: new rappers that don't live that life like Playboy Cardi
Speaker 1: lives that life really fly, really cool, really dope, really
Speaker 1: a real man, and he doesn't hate. It's not the
Speaker 1: bro bro. I never felt no hate even when I
Speaker 1: killed it. I'm telling you right now. CARDI knows. There
Speaker 1: was some nights where people left and he was performing,
Speaker 1: like nobody. I literally killed that.
Speaker 2: Ship and then people were leaving.
Speaker 1: He performing, Bro, he would not hate nothing. He would
Speaker 1: finish the He come up with me, brother, you killed
Speaker 1: that ship, bo, like showed me mad love and and
Speaker 1: I think that's what a real artist is. That's why
Speaker 1: he's where he's at.
Speaker 2: Yeah, he's he's on. You know, his whole thing is
Speaker 2: so crazy. We saw him wrong loud and it.
Speaker 1: Was like he's so fire man. So you know, it's
Speaker 1: like that experience was so dope because now watching him
Speaker 1: become this huge star, it's like I'm not surprised.
Speaker 2: But he's also like he's a big start. I mean
Speaker 2: I think he's like four or five weeks straight at
Speaker 2: number one or something. Yeah, but he's also still underground.
Speaker 1: I know.
Speaker 2: It's like he's still underground as fuck. Like you know
Speaker 2: what I'm saying, Like he really like his music is
Speaker 2: still very like acquired types of kids. He's just got
Speaker 2: the kids, bro.
Speaker 1: Like, yeah, he's doing it right though, you know he's
Speaker 1: doing it right for sure. Yeah, but like, yeah, that
Speaker 1: was a good experience, and I started doing my own tours,
Speaker 1: you know, and I just feel like it's been a
Speaker 1: while since open up for like for a big artist
Speaker 1: to me whatever, and I kind of just been doing
Speaker 1: my own ship, touring my own shit, and it feels
Speaker 1: good to just be a hard ticket sales act, you
Speaker 1: know what I'm saying. That's what my idea is is
Speaker 1: like people be like, Yo, why why is it Why
Speaker 1: is it such a big deal to sell hard tickets?
Speaker 1: It is because it's hard, Yeah, Like it ain't easy,
Speaker 1: you know what I'm saying.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's like the difference between like having those numbers
Speaker 2: we talked about earlier, were people listening with their eyes
Speaker 2: if they're not. If they're listening with their eyes only,
Speaker 2: they ain't coming to fucking buy a ticket to see
Speaker 2: your ass.
Speaker 1: That's what I'm saying is people don't understand, Like, Bro,
Speaker 1: there's a band called there's a band. It's a fucking
Speaker 1: band that I recently, not recently with whatever. I listened
Speaker 1: to them like years ago, and this fucking band was
Speaker 1: at like five hundred thousand monthly listeners. But they were
Speaker 1: selling fucking stadiums and they were selling like arenas, like
Speaker 1: doing fucking big rooms and that ship don't mean nothing, bro, Like,
Speaker 1: if you can sell tickets, that's what it means. Like
Speaker 1: I'm trying to do like the Suicide Boys, like.
Speaker 2: Oh yeahming it. You know they're doing they're doing uh
Speaker 2: you know they're doing arenas.
Speaker 1: Yeah, fuck with them, bro, like them. Shout out to them,
Speaker 1: like you know what I'm saying, and it's just.
Speaker 2: Now movement pooh yah and uh yeah Fat Nicks my dog.
Speaker 1: Yeah yeah yeah, I like Fat Nick. That's only has
Speaker 1: a little peep. I love that show.
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's my boy brother. Dont guys, I just saw that. Actually,
Speaker 2: me and Ot just went to a show.
Speaker 1: In la At.
Speaker 2: Uh fuck, what's the show in k Town? The Wiltern.
Speaker 1: Yeah, fuck with them, they dope. Man, shows are important.
Speaker 1: We're building the ship, building the whole ship. I think
Speaker 1: that's that's what we're doing right now. And it just
Speaker 1: feels good to be out here after sixteen years, you
Speaker 1: know what I'm saying. Still doing that, still putting projects out,
Speaker 1: still having the fan base. We sold out Toronto a
Speaker 1: few days ago. Like, still doing that, still pushing it.
Speaker 1: Don't it don't change?
Speaker 2: Are you gonna do? Like, because I feel like when
Speaker 2: you get into that country space, you're kind of like
Speaker 2: in a whole new like ecosystem because it is its own.
Speaker 2: I always tell people, like country music is very much
Speaker 2: it's like own isolated industry away from I don't funk
Speaker 2: with it because, like you know, it's like it's like
Speaker 2: when we think of the music industry with the New
Speaker 2: York in LA, but like all that shit don't matter.
Speaker 2: You gotta go to fucking Main Street in Nashville.
Speaker 1: There's all these I don't think I'll ever do country again, okay, period,
Speaker 1: Like I don't like to sour taste in your mouth, Yeah,
Speaker 1: I don't fuck with that, you know what I'm saying.
Speaker 1: I don't like the I don't like the fact that
Speaker 1: somebody called me a Puerto Rican cowboy and they didn't
Speaker 1: try to hear me out anything. It felt really racist
Speaker 1: when I was there. When I did go there, I
Speaker 1: felt very unwelcomed the fact that, like I wasn't like
Speaker 1: the typical white dude, you know what I mean. I
Speaker 1: don't fuck with how racist A lot of the people,
Speaker 1: not all, majority of the people in that genre of
Speaker 1: racist as fuck, and I don't stand with it. I
Speaker 1: don't fuck with it. That shit left such a bad taste.
Speaker 1: I don't fuck with them. It is what it is.
Speaker 1: I don't give a fuck about it. I love my music.
Speaker 1: I love the fact that I tried it. It was awesome,
Speaker 1: But I wasn't going to pack up and move there
Speaker 1: and try to do all that weirdo shit, like, no way,
Speaker 1: like that was just me doing. I've been doing all
Speaker 1: different genres my whole career, so but that was the
Speaker 1: only genre that I did. When I went there, it
Speaker 1: felt super racist. It felt very unwelcome. And if you
Speaker 1: think some fucking genres a gatekeepers, just.
Speaker 2: Go over there and you know that's the gatekeeping, and yeah,
Speaker 2: that's a gatekeeper. Country is very much a gatekeeper Colder.
Speaker 1: Yeah. And it's like some people are cool as fuck.
Speaker 1: There's artists there that I fuck with, like Jelly Row
Speaker 1: and people like that. Those are the Jelly's a rapper,
Speaker 1: you know what I'm saying. So like he gets it,
Speaker 1: but like a lot of them over there, very very
Speaker 1: unwelcoming and made me feel like you feel me.
Speaker 2: It's like if you go there and you're like chosen,
Speaker 2: they'll put you in with the riders and did that.
Speaker 2: They're there hand you a number one hit without even
Speaker 2: like you even knowing what happened.
Speaker 1: You know what I mean, I don't fuck with I
Speaker 1: think it's fake. I don't fuck with it. I think
Speaker 1: it's bullshit and it is what it is. I respect
Speaker 1: the people there that this show me love. Shout out
Speaker 1: to Shaboozi, shout out to the artists that this showed
Speaker 1: me love and and fuck with me and said they
Speaker 1: love my album. But you know all the gatekeepers and
Speaker 1: all that saying the ship that they were saying about
Speaker 1: me and the ship that I heard. You know what
Speaker 1: I mean, I just like, I don't fuck with it.
Speaker 2: The country is I can. I feel like it's in
Speaker 2: a cool place now because it's like there is, like
Speaker 2: the Shaboozies, there's there's a lot of like just dope songwriting.
Speaker 2: I said that about country is the songwriting. Yeah, when
Speaker 2: you listen to hip hop and you listen to country,
Speaker 2: you're like, oh, there's actually like still because I feel
Speaker 2: like a lot of hip hop's like the writing of songs.
Speaker 1: Yeah, but culture wins for sure. What I'm saying like
Speaker 1: country will never be hip hop no matter what, no, no, no,
Speaker 1: for sure, it's like hip hop and rap music controls,
Speaker 1: like controls the world and rules the world, and it's like.
Speaker 2: Sh and Latin music rules the rule.
Speaker 1: Yeah, but like all of that, it's in the same
Speaker 1: kind of thing, and it's like no country is a
Speaker 1: here thing, yes but whatever, Like you know what I'm saying,
Speaker 1: it's just like.
Speaker 2: Yo, but there is Like I just feel like the
Speaker 2: songwriting is like some of these motherfuckers.
Speaker 1: Like this just thought to sound the same, all of
Speaker 1: it on the sound.
Speaker 2: Have you heard of John Morland, the ball dude. He
Speaker 2: looks like Bamban Bigelow.
Speaker 1: He's tough. Probably. Yeah. I just got such a fucking
Speaker 1: weird feeling. I just be skipping that ship now about
Speaker 1: listening to it. I'm actually, you know what I'm saying,
Speaker 1: doing everything that I might do it. Jack.
Speaker 2: Do you do any of those songs on tour?
Speaker 1: Yeah? Yeah, yeah, I just we did what's the fucking ship?
Speaker 1: Santa Monica? Uh, I don't know. It's like iconic venue.
Speaker 1: I don't know. Fucking there's so many right there on
Speaker 1: Dohani and Santa Monica. It's like right on the corner.
Speaker 1: It's a legendary, all the big dudes. I just sold
Speaker 1: that out and performed only the country album, and people
Speaker 1: love that fucking album. I've had people tell me like, ya,
Speaker 1: I can't believe you're not a country for sure. Yeah,
Speaker 1: thank you, Bro, And you know, a lot of the
Speaker 1: shit went Bro. I did bigger numbers on brook My
Speaker 1: Brooklyn Cowboy album independently than nineteen eighty four with Arcia Crazy.
Speaker 2: Would you do another time Piece project?
Speaker 1: Yeah, I am. I got a nineteen eighty nine album
Speaker 1: coming out my birthday because everybody thought I eighty four
Speaker 1: was my birthday. I'm like, nahs, you know what I'm saying.
Speaker 2: But like, I mean, yeah, that's a five year jump
Speaker 2: that you can kind of hear too in terms of
Speaker 2: like where music was at. Yeah, from like eighty four
Speaker 2: to eighty nine, like that.
Speaker 1: Yeah, nineteen eighty nine I like that. I like that,
Speaker 1: but it's like eighty four, it was the best.
Speaker 2: Year ever for music you're saying for everything.
Speaker 1: Michael Jordan got drafted first Apple commercial, Prince Purple, Rain Shade, Diamond, Ninja, Turtles,
Speaker 1: Michael Jackson did it, eighty three popped off from the
Speaker 1: eighty four, The biggest George Michael eighty four, forty album
Speaker 1: by Van Helen, everything that was anything in culture with
Speaker 1: nineteen eighty four. It changed our life forever, like nothing
Speaker 1: will ever be the same after that year. So my
Speaker 1: parents man got married that year, and I just felt like, yo,
Speaker 1: that's why I'm gonnaname this shit. I love it, man,
Speaker 1: But people thought it was my birthday and I'm just like, damn,
Speaker 1: get off.
Speaker 2: My dick, like like, damn, I'm not that old, That's.
Speaker 1: What I say. Like you have me at twenty eight
Speaker 1: years old being like, yo, you nineteen eighty four, Like yeh,
Speaker 1: that's funny. Yeah all right.
Speaker 2: Look though, when I'm dropping the four album.
Speaker 1: I don't know, I don't know. Yeah, I ain't got
Speaker 1: a date. We're rolling out this new song means you
Speaker 1: easy for the NBA.
Speaker 2: Playoffs called Rings of course.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I got to send you so you could play
Speaker 1: to Gerald. Yeah, shout out to Jeezy Man.
Speaker 2: I think it was his mom's birthdays today too.
Speaker 1: Recipes man.
Speaker 2: She was a great lady.
Speaker 1: Yeah, rest the piece. I love Gerald Man. He's a
Speaker 1: real best jeez. He's a dope, dope, dope person, dope artist.
Speaker 2: I proposed to my wife on stage of this show.
Speaker 2: No way, Yeah that's my that's my I love g manh.
Speaker 1: Yeah, he's a fucking road. I know that. That's so
Speaker 1: fucking dope. Shout out to j Z Man. That's my
Speaker 1: that's my dog, and he keeps it real, you know
Speaker 1: what I'm saying.
Speaker 2: And who do you think has had a who's more
Speaker 2: of a headache on the road? You were G easy
Speaker 2: when it comes to our boy Solomon having to handle
Speaker 2: you guys at a fucking nightclub.
Speaker 3: Yeah, G easy, Like that's an easy answer, Like G
Speaker 3: easy ship, you know what I mean, Like this dude
Speaker 3: is just wild, bro, He's like he's like American psycho
Speaker 3: for sure.
Speaker 1: You know.
Speaker 2: But yeah, if you catch him on the right night,
Speaker 2: you'd be like, yeah, right.
Speaker 1: Now, he's you know, but yo, shout out to j
Speaker 1: Z Man. He paved the way for artists like Jack
Speaker 1: Harlow and sure, for sure, you know what I'm saying,
Speaker 1: a lot of artists needed like give him his flowers.
Speaker 1: You know a lot of these a lot of these
Speaker 1: other dudes would not be here without G Eazy, And I.
Speaker 2: Just, yeah, I feel like he kind of also like, uh,
Speaker 2: you know the thing about G I feel like that
Speaker 2: he did that he kind of got that direct to fans.
Speaker 2: Shit going early.
Speaker 1: Yes, it's hard tickets and you.
Speaker 2: Know, I remember when he was I guess underground what
Speaker 2: you would call it, and he was just doing like
Speaker 2: I remember the way he would package his merch and
Speaker 2: you know, yeah, I've been seeing G come up since
Speaker 2: shit man.
Speaker 1: I mean yo, like G took some of the realist
Speaker 1: artists on tour, had him open up.
Speaker 2: For his shows Kailani forty, yg Helo, yg Yo, Gotti Yo.
Speaker 1: He's boozy, He's a Bay legend.
Speaker 2: Yeah, who's the open for him?
Speaker 1: That's what I'm saying, you know what I'm saying, Like
Speaker 1: it's like for some reason, it's like they try to
Speaker 1: like sleep on him sometimes, Like you know what I mean.
Speaker 2: I think the thing with G Man is like it
Speaker 2: felt like everybody was rooting against him because he got
Speaker 2: so big, and they were like, yeah, wait a minute.
Speaker 2: Because if you think about it, like G's probably I
Speaker 2: mean like obviously there's two short Andy forty, but in
Speaker 2: terms of like overall numbers in the last like twenty years,
Speaker 2: like no one's bigger than GZ out of the Bad
Speaker 2: Hell no, in terms of like if you just look
Speaker 2: at the numbers, you know what myself and I is
Speaker 2: like a pop red bro.
Speaker 1: He has real hits stuff for sure, No Limit, No Limit,
Speaker 1: all these other songs, the Tumbler girls, like all these songs. Bro,
Speaker 1: what like, what are we talking about? I just bro,
Speaker 1: it's like that quote. It's like you can do the
Speaker 1: same ship he's doing, but they won't hate you because
Speaker 1: it's you doing it right.
Speaker 2: I just think like a lot of the Bay Area
Speaker 2: taste makers too, were just waiting for that, like they
Speaker 2: were like they always were hating on that full.
Speaker 1: Like well they could suck a dick even though he was.
Speaker 2: Like putting on real he was bringing people on the road.
Speaker 1: Man, anybody that got a problem with jeez, he was
Speaker 1: bringing period.
Speaker 2: Yeah, he brought the whole Bay on every tour.
Speaker 1: He shows love man, you know what I mean. It's
Speaker 1: usually like that. People that show too much love, they
Speaker 1: don't get no love back because people being they take
Speaker 1: that ship for granted out to g Man.
Speaker 2: Listen album on the Way new song with.
Speaker 1: G Rings and I got a bunch of other artists
Speaker 1: ars in this real New York album.
Speaker 2: Any other features on the album?
Speaker 1: We got Yay produced on that which I don't want
Speaker 1: to talk about.
Speaker 2: On Tony West Yeah, oh ship, Yeah he did. You're
Speaker 2: able to use the beat like he's clearing it.
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, yeah, we're good.
Speaker 2: At this point in time. I feel like, you know,
Speaker 2: it don't matter.
Speaker 1: You don't give a ship.
Speaker 2: He doesn't get he don't give a fuck.
Speaker 1: We got few rappers on there that legendary, you.
Speaker 2: Know, Rake one.
Speaker 1: I'm just throwing. I want the ship to come out,
Speaker 1: you know what I'm saying. We got some dope ship
Speaker 1: on there. You know, great album, my favorite. If you
Speaker 1: like rap, this is gonna be your favorite album by me.
Speaker 1: And if you if there's pops, if you see something
Speaker 1: that's too crazy in there, like too dancy, just no,
Speaker 1: I got to feed my kids, man.
Speaker 2: You know what I'm saying, was there was the Kanye beat,
Speaker 2: like a Kanye like like sample.
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, yeah, I'll play for you all right.
Speaker 2: Yeah, well listen, bro, I appreciate you pulling up album
Speaker 2: on the way go support. Uh. I know you got
Speaker 2: a new that you got new a few singles out
Speaker 2: right now?
Speaker 1: So yeah, ring a song called Pimpals with your boy,
Speaker 1: right Yeah. I produced that my boy Jimmy Banks. And
Speaker 1: then I got hit with Jimmy Banks again Halos and Draco's.
Speaker 2: And Jimmy Banks is signed to you sign.
Speaker 1: Affiliated to my label. Yeah, I don't want to sign
Speaker 1: my man, it's like I don't. I don't do that.
Speaker 2: That's fair.
Speaker 1: I don't want to sign none of my friends. He's
Speaker 1: he's a he owns a part of company like me.
Speaker 1: So anybody that's around me, they own a percentage of
Speaker 1: my label with me. So you know what I'm saying.
Speaker 1: That's signing ship. It's old, it's whack. It is what
Speaker 1: it is, bro, like you feel me, you sign I
Speaker 1: signed pop artists. I don't sign my friends. You know
Speaker 1: what I'm saying. So I could like sign you make
Speaker 1: money with you, and I don't want to deal with you.
Speaker 1: Keep it moving, you know my friends and my friends
Speaker 1: like I want to put people on because a real
Speaker 1: boss would show you how to get it, you know
Speaker 1: what I mean. And somebody trying to little brow you
Speaker 1: nin's what you want to be dealing with.
Speaker 2: You know, facts, facts, facts.
Speaker 1: Well.
Speaker 2: I appreciate you, man, man.
Speaker 1: I appreciate you too. Bro. Thank you for having me
Speaker 1: and always showing me love in the beginning. Bro, like
Speaker 1: you know, and it feels good to be back here,
Speaker 1: especially like you know, if motherfucker went through some ship,
Speaker 1: you know what I mean? And and coming back here,
Speaker 1: coming back to l A. I went to I got
Speaker 1: a Marathon Burger yesterday.
Speaker 2: That sh it's amazing.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I love that rest of me. You know, you know,
Speaker 1: the first artist on the East Coast to do a
Speaker 1: song with them. I remember you. I remember.
Speaker 2: I think we talked about this, like you met him
Speaker 2: with you were like, damn, you're eighteen.
Speaker 1: Nobody know what I mean. I was sleeping in the studio, man,
Speaker 1: like you know, but like that really paying for the future, Yeah,
Speaker 1: we well, I didn't the homie paide Johnny shipes. It
Speaker 1: was like nothing. It was. It was just like we
Speaker 1: paid for his time to come to for his flight whatever.
Speaker 1: And he was just so dope he is about re
Speaker 1: releasing that. Nah No, I just like it's like he's
Speaker 1: just dope. Yeah, he's dope. I respect him every time
Speaker 1: I land in la If, I play park, right after
Speaker 1: I play Face the World or seven days a week.
Speaker 1: I mean, I love him. I've always been a fan.
Speaker 1: I'm the one who reached out. Nipsey was not even
Speaker 1: that popping when I reached out to him to do
Speaker 1: a song with him, you know what I mean. And
Speaker 1: He's like, yeah, you gotta pay for the.
Speaker 2: Flight and he was doing his thing on the blogs,
Speaker 2: but like he was definitely like you know, I feel
Speaker 2: like if if it was the Ship's days, people weren't really.
Speaker 1: Know, they weren't really hip to him. And the thing is,
Speaker 1: I love nip way before you know, man, I still
Speaker 1: do still play it every day, and I just think, like, bro,
Speaker 1: like he raps, he sings, he has a real story,
Speaker 1: He's real, he's bro Listen, Like, there's a lot of
Speaker 1: ship that you know, a lot of people make bullshit
Speaker 1: up when somebody passes, like they may they make them
Speaker 1: seem like they're more legend.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I feel like yeah, but I feel like if
Speaker 2: you knew like nip and you like, like you said,
Speaker 2: there's people who will pass away and you'll be like yeah.
Speaker 2: But I feel like the people who were fucking with
Speaker 2: nip like they.
Speaker 1: A one bro for sure, Bro, a one brother. You
Speaker 1: can't say anything to make me look at that man differently,
Speaker 1: like a one bro Adam.
Speaker 2: The first time Nipsey was ever on my show, it's
Speaker 2: on YouTube. It was freestyling on my show and nine damn,
Speaker 2: that's the round time I met him. I was Yeah,
Speaker 2: it was like it was two thousand and Superstar Bro
Speaker 2: Soisey Idaho doing radio.
Speaker 1: Really yeah, he came all with he.
Speaker 2: Was on tour with the game The Lex Twow.
Speaker 1: Yeah. Shout out the game too.
Speaker 2: Man, games. Yeah, legend. I love the game super that's
Speaker 2: another black Sam. They got that burger together.
Speaker 1: Yeah yeah, yeah yeah, I love that uh Man. Like
Speaker 1: I said, Bro, you a legend. Thank you so much
Speaker 1: for always supporting me of course, man, and always having
Speaker 1: me come back here and anytime. I love these interviews, man,
Speaker 1: I think these interviews are the ones that always last
Speaker 1: for sure.
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