WEBVTT - Ep. 60: Crystal Pepsi Power Worms 0:00:06.559 --> 0:00:09.200 You might have the only original power worms and crystal 0:00:09.200 --> 0:00:11.799 clear pepsi color left on the planet. Yeah, Mike had 0:00:11.800 --> 0:00:14.240 always accuses me of giving a lure that I know 0:00:14.480 --> 0:00:16.640 isn't going to work. How many times a season do 0:00:16.680 --> 0:00:18.680 you hear clients say we're gonna need a bigger boat 0:00:20.079 --> 0:00:24.279 every day? What kind of weird British solution is Eric 0:00:24.320 --> 0:00:26.720 and visioning? Here are we going to a point in 0:00:26.880 --> 0:00:32.159 otter Lord? Good morning, degenerate anglers, and welcome to Bent, 0:00:32.320 --> 0:00:35.360 the fishing podcast that wants to punch the face of 0:00:35.400 --> 0:00:38.920 the guy that bails on a fishing trip and says guests, 0:00:38.960 --> 0:00:40.800 I made the right call when he finds out that 0:00:40.840 --> 0:00:44.280 the fishing sucked. I'm Joe Surmelie, and I'm joined today 0:00:44.280 --> 0:00:47.160 by a dear friend I know feels the same way. 0:00:47.520 --> 0:00:50.479 My amigo, Jimmy Fee of On the Water magazine is 0:00:50.560 --> 0:00:53.600 guest hosting today. What's up, Jimmy? What's up Joe? That 0:00:53.760 --> 0:00:55.920 is I feel like one of the cardinal rules of 0:00:56.240 --> 0:00:59.280 being a good fishing body not not doing that exact thing. 0:00:59.600 --> 0:01:01.880 We have. We have had that conversation, So is that 0:01:01.920 --> 0:01:03.600 guy's I guess I made the right Well I went 0:01:03.680 --> 0:01:05.600 and you didn't you did not make the right call 0:01:06.120 --> 0:01:09.800 um anyway. So it's funny because I told listeners they'd 0:01:09.800 --> 0:01:13.280 be hearing from many frequent Bent guests, but with you, 0:01:13.319 --> 0:01:16.160 I've I've pretty much lied because you've never been on 0:01:16.200 --> 0:01:18.759 this show before. So you're like you're a fresh voice, 0:01:19.000 --> 0:01:21.360 which means nobody knows anything about you. So if you 0:01:21.360 --> 0:01:23.800 had to, I don't know, describe yourself in three words, 0:01:23.840 --> 0:01:26.160 what would they be? So right now, three words for 0:01:26.240 --> 0:01:30.199 me and my fishing would definitely be needs some sleep. Oh, 0:01:30.680 --> 0:01:32.560 you're doing the thing where you're out all night with 0:01:32.600 --> 0:01:35.440 the fish and the striped bass. I've been doing, yeah, 0:01:35.480 --> 0:01:37.319 and and some weirder stuff. I got into some nighttime 0:01:37.319 --> 0:01:41.680 crabbing last night, nighttime. Who doesn't like you'll like lose 0:01:41.760 --> 0:01:45.240 sleep to go nighttime crabbing to catch crabs because that's 0:01:45.280 --> 0:01:47.760 when the crabs are active, That's when my kids are asleep. 0:01:47.760 --> 0:01:49.560 It's it's really what what that comes down to? You 0:01:49.600 --> 0:01:54.280 know what? That what that's like? Okay, fair enough? Uh As, 0:01:54.760 --> 0:01:56.200 look all right, So I'm making fun of you for 0:01:56.320 --> 0:01:59.040 nighttime crabbing, but I'm I'm not nighttime crabbing, and I'm 0:01:59.040 --> 0:02:02.120 gonna make him here feels slightly uncomfortable for a sec 0:02:02.240 --> 0:02:04.880 because he's a humble man. Um, but he is one 0:02:04.920 --> 0:02:07.800 of the most devoted surfcasters I know. I would say elite. 0:02:07.960 --> 0:02:10.600 Elite is the word I would use, Um, dude, Like, 0:02:10.600 --> 0:02:13.240 you've caught more more huge stripers in the surf than 0:02:13.240 --> 0:02:16.160 anyone else I know personally, and I mean barring Bob 0:02:16.240 --> 0:02:19.440 garbage man. But unlike your average insta here, you stay 0:02:19.520 --> 0:02:22.640 very hush hush about your surf fishing in particular. I 0:02:22.639 --> 0:02:24.240 mean part of that is because I don't get any 0:02:24.280 --> 0:02:30.160 good pictures of my fishing the surf. It's a very 0:02:30.200 --> 0:02:33.560 hard environment. I'll I'll give you that. But man, yeah, 0:02:33.560 --> 0:02:36.040 I've always respected that about you so much. And we're 0:02:36.080 --> 0:02:39.240 also good buddies because we've worked in the same industry 0:02:39.280 --> 0:02:41.720 for a long time. Like you're a multi species, multi 0:02:41.800 --> 0:02:45.280 media angler. I guess that's what we are, like myself. Um, 0:02:45.360 --> 0:02:47.720 you work full time for a media company, writing, editing, 0:02:47.760 --> 0:02:50.800 shooting and hosting videos. So like when venting needs to 0:02:50.800 --> 0:02:53.280 happen about our jobs, about the behind the scenes stuff 0:02:53.320 --> 0:02:55.400 that the viewers and readers don't see, I can just 0:02:55.400 --> 0:02:57.240 text you and you understand, you know what I mean. 0:02:57.240 --> 0:02:59.520 It's like it's like two brains. It's like brain surges. 0:02:59.560 --> 0:03:02.840 I can just x uh uppermoter neurons. Am I right, 0:03:02.919 --> 0:03:08.600 And you're just like totes you know, well plate well 0:03:09.560 --> 0:03:11.240 uh So. One of the other reasons I wanted to 0:03:11.280 --> 0:03:13.959 have you on is because, um, I wanted to talk 0:03:14.000 --> 0:03:17.520 about loose theme here fomo fear of missing out. And 0:03:17.560 --> 0:03:19.960 I think it's fair to say that, regardless of the fishery, 0:03:20.120 --> 0:03:24.520 every angler experiences fomo. But you and I have a 0:03:24.639 --> 0:03:29.040 very specific kind of fomo, which is tuna fomo. Oh, 0:03:29.080 --> 0:03:31.520 and it's it's not for tuna. The fishing has been 0:03:31.600 --> 0:03:33.600 so good for the past few seasons. It's not a 0:03:33.600 --> 0:03:35.960 fear of missing out. It's a fact of missing out. 0:03:38.200 --> 0:03:39.920 I'm not worried I'm going to miss out. I know 0:03:40.000 --> 0:03:42.880 I'm missing out right there with you. I'm right there 0:03:42.920 --> 0:03:44.920 with you. I mean. And part of the problem, right, 0:03:44.920 --> 0:03:46.640 it's for all the different kinds of fishing we do. 0:03:46.720 --> 0:03:50.120 It's like the one thing where we're we're reliant on 0:03:50.160 --> 0:03:52.160 other people like you and I don't have the means 0:03:52.160 --> 0:03:54.960 to just like, well, I'm gonna go tuna fishing Saturday. 0:03:55.040 --> 0:03:57.320 Like it's just one of those things we need somebody 0:03:57.320 --> 0:03:59.680 else to take us. That's kind of part of the problem. 0:03:59.840 --> 0:04:02.000 You do. You either have a close friend with a boat, 0:04:02.080 --> 0:04:04.400 or you have a good boat yourself, and that's your 0:04:04.400 --> 0:04:06.560 ticket to the tunic grounds. And if you don't have that, 0:04:06.720 --> 0:04:11.320 you're always a couple degrees away of having that reliable 0:04:11.440 --> 0:04:14.800 tuna invite when you know the bite's good, which leaves you, Joe, 0:04:15.080 --> 0:04:16.960 you book a trip, you have to book something months 0:04:17.000 --> 0:04:19.200 in advance. I'm getting to that, right. And now, see 0:04:19.240 --> 0:04:21.960 you live up on Cape Cod, so you're you're surrounded 0:04:21.960 --> 0:04:24.400 by saltwater. Um. And like I said, I've never owned 0:04:24.400 --> 0:04:26.159 a boat big and capable enough to get me to 0:04:26.200 --> 0:04:28.920 these fish. But I feel like five six years ago, 0:04:28.920 --> 0:04:30.400 I don't know about you, but like I had rides 0:04:30.400 --> 0:04:33.320 out the wazoo, like I was turning down this tuna 0:04:33.360 --> 0:04:35.760 guy to go with that tuna guy. And for multitude 0:04:35.760 --> 0:04:38.400 of reasons, that's just changed. Right, boats get sold, people's 0:04:38.480 --> 0:04:40.520 kids grow up and eat up more time, and so on. 0:04:40.920 --> 0:04:42.400 And I'm not bitter about it, but like you said, 0:04:42.440 --> 0:04:44.479 it's just it's just facts. Now I've just sort of 0:04:44.560 --> 0:04:46.560 learned to live with it. Um. So I do I 0:04:46.600 --> 0:04:48.359 just try and book a charter with a guide at 0:04:48.440 --> 0:04:50.680 least once a season, and without fail, that day will 0:04:50.680 --> 0:04:53.880 be canceled by whether or engine trouble or whatever. I 0:04:53.960 --> 0:04:57.600 have always had better luck on impromptu tuned trips than 0:04:57.720 --> 0:05:00.440 planned ones, but those are rare anymore. And like you said, 0:05:00.480 --> 0:05:03.640 you like you also can't invite yourself. It's kind of 0:05:03.640 --> 0:05:06.960 like code. You have to be invited. There's a lot 0:05:07.040 --> 0:05:09.280 that goes into tuna fishing, not only fueling the boat, 0:05:09.279 --> 0:05:11.320 which is very expensive because you're running further than you 0:05:11.320 --> 0:05:14.240 would for your typical inshore trip. The gear itself is 0:05:14.320 --> 0:05:16.920 very expensive. It's tough to be like, Hey, I'll bring 0:05:16.960 --> 0:05:18.800 some P. B and J's. Can I get on the 0:05:18.800 --> 0:05:21.960 boat this weekend? I got some dill pickle wrangles if 0:05:22.000 --> 0:05:24.800 I can get in on that, Yeah, exactly. It's it's 0:05:24.839 --> 0:05:26.960 like the crews are very tight. It tends to be 0:05:27.000 --> 0:05:29.479 the same guys that run with each other over and 0:05:29.520 --> 0:05:32.280 over again, and either you're in or you're not. But now, 0:05:32.320 --> 0:05:35.000 the big problem that you and I have is we 0:05:35.120 --> 0:05:38.800 both closely follow some badass tuna charter guides and every 0:05:38.839 --> 0:05:42.280 season I'm like, I'm gonna unfollow these people. And it's 0:05:42.279 --> 0:05:44.560 not because they're not good dudes. But I just can't 0:05:44.600 --> 0:05:46.200 take the fomo like I just it gets to a 0:05:46.200 --> 0:05:48.960 point where I I can't stand looking. And here's a 0:05:49.000 --> 0:05:52.040 hot tip for everybody, right, Following charter guides is pretty 0:05:52.120 --> 0:05:54.200 much a trap. Like if you suffer from any sort 0:05:54.240 --> 0:05:57.840 of fishing fomo, you don't follow local guides because it's 0:05:57.960 --> 0:06:01.080 very easy to forget that it's their job to be 0:06:01.240 --> 0:06:04.480 out there every day, you know what I mean? Oh, definitely. Yeah, 0:06:04.480 --> 0:06:06.560 in general, it's not the captains who are out there 0:06:06.600 --> 0:06:10.240 catching the fish every day, right, they're the ones they're 0:06:10.240 --> 0:06:12.200 putting the clients on the fish, and that comes with 0:06:12.240 --> 0:06:14.560 its own set of headaches. I've been on boats with 0:06:14.680 --> 0:06:18.480 captains who are so let's call it intense, that they 0:06:18.480 --> 0:06:20.800 really want you to get into the fish, that it's borderline. 0:06:20.920 --> 0:06:24.080 They're yelling, they're yelling, and you have to be yelling. 0:06:24.240 --> 0:06:26.560 I've I've been yelled at many times. But the point 0:06:26.640 --> 0:06:29.400 is that like that guy is getting the getting the 0:06:29.440 --> 0:06:31.839 love because he's the captain. But the dude who actually 0:06:31.839 --> 0:06:33.640 got to really in that fish that you didn't for all, 0:06:33.680 --> 0:06:35.760 you know, that was his one a year. Like that 0:06:35.800 --> 0:06:38.080 was the trip he booked five months ago and he 0:06:38.160 --> 0:06:40.960 got lucky and got the weather. Um. But regardless, at 0:06:40.960 --> 0:06:42.960 the time of this recording, I've not gotten out for 0:06:43.000 --> 0:06:45.640 tuna once this season. Um. But you know you and 0:06:45.640 --> 0:06:47.719 I are eyeballing a lot of the same captains because 0:06:47.760 --> 0:06:51.720 on the water your magazine covers New England and New Jersey. Um. 0:06:51.839 --> 0:06:54.400 And I won't hear from you for for like a month, 0:06:54.720 --> 0:06:57.400 and then randomly on a Tuesday at two pm, I'll 0:06:57.440 --> 0:06:59.680 get this text from Jim. That's just tell me you're 0:06:59.680 --> 0:07:01.960 getting on this tuna bite, right? You do that, and 0:07:02.000 --> 0:07:05.560 I sigh and grovel and I tell you why I'm not, 0:07:06.200 --> 0:07:08.680 and then I won't hear from you again for another month. Well, 0:07:08.720 --> 0:07:11.920 this year's bite was so good midsummer down here. The 0:07:11.920 --> 0:07:14.680 text was just right to the point, when are you 0:07:14.720 --> 0:07:18.760 going tuna fishing? And and my response was you. That's when, like, 0:07:18.800 --> 0:07:21.080 I was so angered by that point in the summer 0:07:21.120 --> 0:07:23.160 that I hadn't gotten my piece of the action. I 0:07:23.200 --> 0:07:24.920 felt bad. It felt like I was rubbing it in 0:07:24.960 --> 0:07:27.880 at that point, which I wasn't. I just assumed you've 0:07:27.880 --> 0:07:29.720 been out there. They were practically there were guys in 0:07:29.800 --> 0:07:34.720 kayaks catching them off New Jersey. That's not true, guys, 0:07:35.440 --> 0:07:38.520 it's like, but it happened. Guys went out there looking 0:07:38.560 --> 0:07:41.240 for fluke and caught some blue fin tuna. Well good 0:07:41.280 --> 0:07:43.440 for them and the kayak they rode in off. But 0:07:43.880 --> 0:07:47.040 you can't come. You can't complain anyway because you you 0:07:47.160 --> 0:07:50.720 got yours man very recently, Like tell us about the 0:07:50.760 --> 0:07:53.600 giant it's scratcher you just caught. Yeah. So I was 0:07:53.640 --> 0:07:56.360 out with my friend, Captain Rob Taylor, and he runs 0:07:56.400 --> 0:07:59.920 Newport Sport fishing guide service and he also does come 0:08:00.000 --> 0:08:02.960 martial fishing for giant bluefin tuna. So he happened to 0:08:02.960 --> 0:08:04.360 have a day where he didn't have a charter. He 0:08:04.400 --> 0:08:06.040 was going out to try to catch a bluefin tuna 0:08:06.040 --> 0:08:08.440 to sell. Was kind enough to invite me out with him, 0:08:08.520 --> 0:08:11.000 and uh man, we waited all day in the rain 0:08:11.720 --> 0:08:13.920 in Cape Cod Bay until we finally got our bite 0:08:13.960 --> 0:08:16.520 at five thirty. And it was a pretty quick battle 0:08:16.600 --> 0:08:19.760 forty five minutes. Uh pretty quick for it's short. That's 0:08:19.760 --> 0:08:22.600 short for a tune to the size that size. Yeah, yeah, yeah, 0:08:22.600 --> 0:08:25.600 it was a insure wait a five and ten pounds. 0:08:25.680 --> 0:08:28.760 When we brought it the you call up the truck, 0:08:28.760 --> 0:08:30.720 they come. They lifted out of the boat and then 0:08:30.760 --> 0:08:34.440 that that fish ideally goes to auction and and we'll 0:08:34.480 --> 0:08:36.800 probably fly to Japan. It's probably on its way there now. 0:08:37.200 --> 0:08:38.920 So you didn't get to taste any of that, obviously 0:08:38.960 --> 0:08:41.439 because Rob sold it. But that's a that's a different 0:08:41.480 --> 0:08:44.080 caliber tuna fishing. That's not the fun running gun jigging 0:08:44.120 --> 0:08:46.160 pop stuff like what's that really like? I've never done that. 0:08:46.160 --> 0:08:49.160 I'n't caught a five pound fish like you reeled you 0:08:49.280 --> 0:08:51.480 like you did it so much as I am just 0:08:51.559 --> 0:08:54.000 the guy who just cranked the handle on the reel. 0:08:54.080 --> 0:08:55.800 I was the one not losing the fish. That's that's 0:08:55.840 --> 0:08:58.520 your loan job. As the angler. Rob does the it's 0:08:58.520 --> 0:09:01.840 an important job. It's a a job, but it's the 0:09:01.840 --> 0:09:04.079 the captain that he set the drag, he did all 0:09:04.080 --> 0:09:05.760 the rigging for it. He's got the boat in the 0:09:05.840 --> 0:09:09.280 right place, caught the bait so all, and then he's 0:09:09.440 --> 0:09:11.640 positioning the boat around the fish while you're fighting it. 0:09:12.120 --> 0:09:15.280 But everything is in place so that it minimizes the 0:09:15.559 --> 0:09:17.840 margin for our The rod remains in the rod holder. 0:09:17.840 --> 0:09:20.960 There's a swiveling rod holder with the big one thirty 0:09:20.960 --> 0:09:24.040 size Shamano Thiagra reel, which is like the big bucket 0:09:24.040 --> 0:09:27.040 reel you see in jaws, just much older and much nicer, 0:09:27.480 --> 0:09:31.920 and then a really long but really strong rod that 0:09:32.040 --> 0:09:33.600 just and all that does it stays right in the 0:09:33.640 --> 0:09:36.520 rod holder. You're not really holding the rod and feeling 0:09:36.559 --> 0:09:38.200 the power of that fish. You were just trying to 0:09:38.320 --> 0:09:41.280 gain line when that fishes is stopped and turns his 0:09:41.360 --> 0:09:42.959 head in your destruction. But that's all the time you 0:09:43.000 --> 0:09:45.120 don't see on weiked tunas. So what I'm asking you is, like, 0:09:45.160 --> 0:09:47.600 how painful is it? They don't really talk about that, 0:09:47.679 --> 0:09:51.400 Like is it tortured to real like that? Uh, you 0:09:51.480 --> 0:09:54.520 start to burn out pretty quickly, especially you know, I'm 0:09:54.520 --> 0:09:57.840 not not in the best shape, and uh, like your shoulder, 0:09:57.880 --> 0:09:59.760 your arms starts to burn and and they do. You 0:09:59.800 --> 0:10:01.959 see a wicked tuna. A lot of let's call it 0:10:02.040 --> 0:10:04.520 yank and crank where those guys are grabbing the line, yeah, yeah, 0:10:04.559 --> 0:10:07.600 pulling it down to get there, their crank on the reel. 0:10:07.800 --> 0:10:09.959 Each captain fish is a different way. Rob Fish is 0:10:10.000 --> 0:10:13.400 a tighter drag than most captains, so he just has 0:10:13.400 --> 0:10:16.280 the guys cranking the real That eliminates another margin for error. 0:10:16.480 --> 0:10:18.679 Where my first giant I ever hooked, it was a 0:10:18.720 --> 0:10:20.480 couple of years ago, I was out with another captain 0:10:20.920 --> 0:10:23.760 and doing that yank and crank style, and the fish 0:10:23.800 --> 0:10:25.360 went to run and I had a grip on the 0:10:25.400 --> 0:10:28.560 line and pop the leader right off. So then let 0:10:28.600 --> 0:10:31.160 go in time. Well, good for you. I'm happy for 0:10:31.200 --> 0:10:33.560 you that you got your big tuna. I'm also hoping 0:10:33.600 --> 0:10:35.240 to get robbed on this show at some point, because 0:10:35.280 --> 0:10:38.080 you tell me he's quite a character, right, um. And 0:10:38.120 --> 0:10:40.160 you know who else as a character, My buddy Conway 0:10:40.200 --> 0:10:42.360 Bowman out in California. And this is the guy that 0:10:42.440 --> 0:10:46.280 is pioneered fly fishing for mako sharks, among many other things. 0:10:46.320 --> 0:10:49.560 And I have fomo about this too because I've never 0:10:49.640 --> 0:10:51.840 done it. But it's just not quite the same, right 0:10:51.880 --> 0:10:54.560 because it's not in my backyard. I just I can't 0:10:54.600 --> 0:10:57.280 be too upset about something happening on the opposite coast. 0:10:57.559 --> 0:10:59.840 But if you're a sweetwater angler, you might get upset 0:11:00.280 --> 0:11:02.640 about one of the answers Conway gives in this week's 0:11:02.760 --> 0:11:07.679 Covering Water. I'm going in. I can hold it. I'm 0:11:07.679 --> 0:11:20.040 all right joining me today for covering Water. My old buddy, 0:11:20.080 --> 0:11:25.520 my old pal, Conway Bowman, San Diego, pioneer of fly fishing, 0:11:25.600 --> 0:11:28.080 for Mako sharks. What's going on? Man, how's life out there? 0:11:28.120 --> 0:11:30.840 And so cal Well, it's uh, it's life and so 0:11:31.000 --> 0:11:34.040 cal Um. You know, lots of lots of crazy stuff 0:11:34.080 --> 0:11:36.800 going on. We just had a They tried to recall 0:11:36.880 --> 0:11:40.160 the governor and he uh yeah, he weathered that storm, 0:11:40.160 --> 0:11:44.360 which is amazing anyway, so we're back to square one. 0:11:44.440 --> 0:11:46.760 But other than that, it's fine. I mean, it's a 0:11:47.200 --> 0:11:51.160 it's California, but it's southern California, so it's different. Yeah, 0:11:51.200 --> 0:11:54.080 it's different, but it's good, you know, excellent. Well, we 0:11:54.160 --> 0:11:57.800 have to tell everybody what happens. So this is actually 0:11:57.880 --> 0:12:01.160 take two on covering water with Conway a bowman, because 0:12:01.160 --> 0:12:03.880 the last time we did this, all I heard in 0:12:03.960 --> 0:12:09.839 my headphones was the creepiest, eeriest horror movie gong. It's 0:12:09.880 --> 0:12:12.880 like the it's like a droning. I think we were 0:12:12.960 --> 0:12:15.240 channeling the other side. And what was creepier is you 0:12:15.280 --> 0:12:17.920 couldn't hear this on your end, right, I know, it's weird. 0:12:18.120 --> 0:12:21.360 It was really weird. It like it was literally some 0:12:21.440 --> 0:12:24.120 Poulter guy ship. And I recorded a piece so that 0:12:24.160 --> 0:12:26.080 you guys can hear this now. Conway couldn't hear it. 0:12:26.120 --> 0:12:30.360 This is all I could hear. Yeah, I don't hear that. 0:12:31.160 --> 0:12:39.600 Let's see this podcast. Yeah, there's nothing else abopen hold 0:12:39.600 --> 0:12:46.960 hold on. So I'm wondering, dude, have you like have 0:12:47.080 --> 0:12:48.839 this like did you do the sage or hire the 0:12:48.880 --> 0:12:51.320 little Poulter guyst lady? Have you have you corrected this problem? 0:12:51.360 --> 0:12:54.120 You've got the demons out of the Bowman residence. I 0:12:54.160 --> 0:12:56.679 don't know. I do think this house is honted though. 0:12:56.720 --> 0:12:59.560 This is really weird stuff that's been that has happened 0:12:59.600 --> 0:13:01.680 since we moved in here about six years ago, just 0:13:02.040 --> 0:13:04.120 you know, just weird stuff. So it might be haunted. 0:13:04.200 --> 0:13:07.360 I don't know. But if if somebody listening, somebody techie, 0:13:07.400 --> 0:13:08.880 knows what that was, they'll be like, oh, yeah, it 0:13:08.920 --> 0:13:10.720 was just this let me know. Because even our audio 0:13:10.760 --> 0:13:13.000 guy Phil was like, I don't know, man, I've never 0:13:13.040 --> 0:13:16.400 heard anything like that before. It was weird. Yeah yeah, 0:13:16.559 --> 0:13:20.480 but anyway, man, So beyond beyond uh, you know, fly 0:13:20.559 --> 0:13:22.199 fish and Fromaco is that whole deal? I mean, you've 0:13:22.200 --> 0:13:25.080 been the host of several TV shows, Ford Outfitters, fly 0:13:25.120 --> 0:13:27.240 Fishing in the World, Fifty Places to fly Fish Before 0:13:27.280 --> 0:13:29.960 you Die, You've written books, You've traveled all over the 0:13:29.960 --> 0:13:31.680 world to chase fish. And what I also think I 0:13:31.720 --> 0:13:34.000 know about you is, um, you grew up in the 0:13:34.080 --> 0:13:36.080 in the surf skate scene out there a little bit right, 0:13:36.080 --> 0:13:37.400 there's a little bit of punk rock and you. And 0:13:37.440 --> 0:13:40.120 I think I once saw a picture which I'd love 0:13:40.200 --> 0:13:41.920 to have, by the way, to post on Instagram to 0:13:42.000 --> 0:13:44.160 promo this. It's a very young you with like big 0:13:44.200 --> 0:13:48.000 frosted wavy hair, like super eighties like thrash hair. Yeah, 0:13:48.240 --> 0:13:50.680 that's what I had, hair I had, I had, quite yeah, 0:13:50.960 --> 0:13:54.319 quite right on, right on. So anyway, did Here's how, 0:13:54.360 --> 0:13:56.520 Here's how covering water works. So this segment is designed 0:13:56.559 --> 0:13:59.280 to just look sort of beyond the fishing skills and 0:13:59.320 --> 0:14:01.600 really get a deeper behind the scenes look at who 0:14:01.600 --> 0:14:03.800 our guests really are. So I'm gonna put two minutes 0:14:03.800 --> 0:14:06.480 on the clock and I'm just gonna rapid fire twenty 0:14:06.559 --> 0:14:08.240 questions that you will get through as many as we can. 0:14:08.280 --> 0:14:10.559 But the whole idea, right, you don't have much time 0:14:10.600 --> 0:14:12.520 to think. You just have to answer, and at the 0:14:12.640 --> 0:14:15.520 end I will give you one full minute to elaborate 0:14:15.640 --> 0:14:18.600 or back pedal on whichever answer you think was most damnit. 0:14:19.720 --> 0:14:22.960 Sound good? Sounds all right? Here? We go two minutes 0:14:23.120 --> 0:14:26.400 on the clock with Conway Bowman. Of all the fish 0:14:26.440 --> 0:14:29.120 you've targeted, what was the most difficult to catch on 0:14:29.280 --> 0:14:32.840 fly time this year? In point break? Who are you 0:14:32.920 --> 0:14:38.000 rooting for? Bodie or Johnny? Utahah? Really all right? The 0:14:38.040 --> 0:14:39.840 worst place you ever had a hook stuck in you 0:14:40.080 --> 0:14:44.080 was my back? Oh that's okay. How many times a 0:14:44.160 --> 0:14:46.000 season do you hear clients say we're gonna need a 0:14:46.000 --> 0:14:54.440 bigger boat every every day? Okay? The most underrated fish 0:14:54.480 --> 0:15:00.120 in US waters is the car beautiful social distortion or 0:15:00.160 --> 0:15:04.240 black flag black flag love it. The oldest piece of 0:15:04.280 --> 0:15:08.400 tackle you own and still use is flu your Metalist 0:15:08.720 --> 0:15:14.160 fourteen ten classic classic. Your favorite line from Fast Times 0:15:14.160 --> 0:15:23.840 at Ridgemont High is uh, Mr Hand, Mr Hand? No, 0:15:23.960 --> 0:15:31.320 it's oh god, so many I got you man? Okay, 0:15:31.520 --> 0:15:34.200 we're part of that. We're on my time, our time 0:15:34.320 --> 0:15:37.240 whatever that our time, right on, right on? Which part 0:15:37.280 --> 0:15:39.360 of the makeo on the fly process do people screw 0:15:39.480 --> 0:15:45.080 up most often? Um? The cast? Really? Okay? If you 0:15:45.120 --> 0:15:47.320 could choose one celebrity to fish with for a day, 0:15:47.320 --> 0:15:52.040 who would it be? Keith Richards Nice we share a birthday, 0:15:52.080 --> 0:15:55.040 by the way. Um, so you've targeted tons of species. 0:15:55.080 --> 0:15:57.280 Tell me which one is still on your bucket list? 0:15:58.080 --> 0:16:02.800 The man guard the man? What does the man man guard? Wait, 0:16:02.800 --> 0:16:05.440 we'll elaborate late. I'm a Cloucks running out. The last 0:16:05.440 --> 0:16:12.520 concert you attended was Oh my god, um English speed. Okay, alright, 0:16:12.680 --> 0:16:17.120 last one. What's the most overrated fish in US waters? 0:16:17.800 --> 0:16:21.040 The large mouth bass? Beautiful? Could not agree more? That's 0:16:21.120 --> 0:16:26.120 time that dude? That was That was great. So there's 0:16:26.160 --> 0:16:29.200 there's several ones I think could use some elaboration, But 0:16:29.240 --> 0:16:31.320 I'm curious to hear which one we you only get 0:16:31.360 --> 0:16:33.400 to pick one. Which one do you want to tell 0:16:33.440 --> 0:16:38.120 us more about? Uh? It's the Johnny Utah or boat. 0:16:39.160 --> 0:16:44.640 And I'm sorry, Yeah, it was good. I'm sorry. I 0:16:44.720 --> 0:16:48.280 commend you for using You just said that large mouth suck. 0:16:48.800 --> 0:16:50.760 But you're gonna use your time here on bent to 0:16:50.760 --> 0:16:52.760 tell us why body is cooler and that's why I 0:16:52.800 --> 0:16:56.800 love you, So go ahead. Uh, Well, he just is. 0:16:56.840 --> 0:16:59.440 I mean he was more tan. He looked more like 0:16:59.480 --> 0:17:02.560 a surfer, although he could. Patrick Swayzey was a horrible paddler, 0:17:02.560 --> 0:17:05.800 by the way. He was a he was just he 0:17:05.840 --> 0:17:09.760 was just more badass. I mean, he skydived he robbed 0:17:09.760 --> 0:17:13.359 a bank. Uh and uh he was he was the 0:17:13.359 --> 0:17:17.040 Bodhi softa Bra. Yeah. I mean, you know he was Bodie. 0:17:17.200 --> 0:17:22.840 He controlled his environment, whether he whether it was controlling 0:17:23.280 --> 0:17:29.560 war child or um, you know, or controlling the police officer. 0:17:31.080 --> 0:17:33.119 I mean at the end of the movie, you know 0:17:33.359 --> 0:17:36.840 that was it. He did it his way because he 0:17:36.920 --> 0:17:40.159 was the Bodhi softa bra. Hands down, no bullshit. That 0:17:40.280 --> 0:17:43.440 is the best elaboration on covering orter we've ever had 0:17:43.600 --> 0:17:45.439 in a year and a half. That was the best 0:17:45.960 --> 0:17:48.840 appreciated so much, dude. So people, so people know you 0:17:48.840 --> 0:17:51.160 are still actively guiding like they can still They probably 0:17:51.160 --> 0:17:52.840 have to book in advance, but you are still doing 0:17:52.840 --> 0:17:55.040 the Mako thing on a weekly basis in season, right. 0:17:55.080 --> 0:17:57.640 Oh yeah, absolutely. And it's it's getting uh, I mean 0:17:57.680 --> 0:18:00.520 it's this year was probably my busiest year in a 0:18:00.560 --> 0:18:04.520 long time. Um. And uh, the fishing is great. The 0:18:04.520 --> 0:18:07.040 fish are big, They're getting bigger. It's the weirdest thing 0:18:07.160 --> 0:18:10.040 I've over the last ten years. I've seen an increase 0:18:10.080 --> 0:18:13.959 in the size. It's crazy. Um. But yeah, but if 0:18:13.960 --> 0:18:15.399 people want to book with me, they got to get 0:18:15.400 --> 0:18:17.119 ahead of it because you know, I've got other stuff 0:18:17.160 --> 0:18:21.119 going on too, but I would say six months to 0:18:21.240 --> 0:18:24.800 book with me. Yeah, it's crazy because there's been kind 0:18:24.800 --> 0:18:29.320 of this resurgence of of I don't know if it's uh, 0:18:29.400 --> 0:18:32.760 you know, anglers wanting to target a big game fish 0:18:32.800 --> 0:18:34.719 on the fly ride, but I think they're discovering that 0:18:35.040 --> 0:18:38.240 they really don't have to fly. Well. Number one, COVID 0:18:38.600 --> 0:18:42.520 pretty much shut shut everybody down for traveling. So they said, well, 0:18:42.600 --> 0:18:45.119 let's let's do the next best thing, or let's do 0:18:45.480 --> 0:18:49.080 a really good big game fish and let's go to 0:18:49.160 --> 0:18:51.800 San Diego because it's close, you know, and and so 0:18:52.200 --> 0:18:55.359 and that really sort of um kind of carved out 0:18:55.359 --> 0:18:57.760 a whole new clientele for me. So and this year 0:18:57.760 --> 0:19:00.280 has been insane. It's been absolutely right on, right on. Dude. 0:19:00.280 --> 0:19:01.720 I've known you for years. I've been saying I'm gonna 0:19:01.760 --> 0:19:03.000 do this for years. I remember the first time I 0:19:03.080 --> 0:19:05.400 read about it was in Field and Stream, long before 0:19:05.440 --> 0:19:07.560 I ever worked there. And I have not gotten there yet. 0:19:07.640 --> 0:19:10.120 So hopefully the next hopefully, the next time I see 0:19:10.119 --> 0:19:12.840 it will be on your boat. But uh, in the meantime, man, 0:19:12.880 --> 0:19:15.880 I appreciate you coming out for covering water, best elaboration 0:19:15.920 --> 0:19:22.040 ever boating for the wind have you ever heard of 0:19:22.040 --> 0:19:25.560 a man guard, Jim, I haven't. It sounds like man 0:19:25.560 --> 0:19:29.280 bear pig from South That's That's exactly what came to mind, 0:19:29.359 --> 0:19:32.440 was man bear pig. I looked it up and it's 0:19:32.520 --> 0:19:35.960 native to the Tigris and Euphrates river system in Iran, Iraq, 0:19:36.119 --> 0:19:39.480 Syria and Turkey. And it looks like a machiner or 0:19:39.520 --> 0:19:42.040 like a she fish, kind of big silvery thing. And dude, 0:19:42.040 --> 0:19:45.000 I'd never heard of it before. Um, perhaps I should 0:19:45.000 --> 0:19:48.040 do a finclips about those. But there's a there's a 0:19:48.160 --> 0:19:51.879 very short man guard Wikipedia page, like, there's not a 0:19:51.880 --> 0:19:54.680 whole lot there, though it does say that they eat birds, 0:19:54.680 --> 0:19:56.679 and if they'll eat that, I'm certain they couldn't resist 0:19:56.720 --> 0:19:59.560 a spin walker from our sponsors thirteen Fishing. Is it 0:19:59.600 --> 0:20:01.840 a walking bait? Is it a prop bait? It's both, 0:20:01.960 --> 0:20:04.560 Jim with the blade uniquely positioned at the belly to create, 0:20:04.640 --> 0:20:10.439 as thirteen puts it, a beguiling sputter. How beguiling Joe 0:20:11.760 --> 0:20:13.879 it is? 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