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Speaker 1: otter Lord? Good morning, degenerate anglers, and welcome to Bent,

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Speaker 1: the fishing podcast that wants to punch the face of

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Speaker 1: My amigo, Jimmy Fee of On the Water magazine is

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Speaker 1: We have. We have had that conversation, So is that

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Speaker 1: I've I've pretty much lied because you've never been on

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Speaker 1: which means nobody knows anything about you. So if you

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Speaker 1: you're doing the thing where you're out all night with

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Speaker 1: It's it's really what what that comes down to? You

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Speaker 1: because he's a humble man. Um, but he is one

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Speaker 1: to this point, it's always my way to get out

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Speaker 1: there and do the fishing I wouldn't be able to

422
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Speaker 1: do on my own and there's a boat in the

423
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Speaker 1: northeast for just about any type of fishing you want

424
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Speaker 1: to do, from back bay fishing for flounder or fluke

425
00:21:22,760 --> 00:21:26,240
Speaker 1: to going out to the canyons and catching tuna. Yeah. Yeah,

426
00:21:26,320 --> 00:21:28,120
Speaker 1: and I can tell you guys did a great job

427
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Speaker 1: with it. Our mutual friend in your colleague got Anthony

428
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Speaker 1: the chi Chi. There's one line in your In Your

429
00:21:34,000 --> 00:21:37,560
Speaker 1: Porgy episode, I believe it was No Haddock episode, when

430
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Speaker 1: you you said his lucky charm is actually lucky charms.

431
00:21:41,119 --> 00:21:43,119
Speaker 1: It's a it's a lucky Charms cereal bar and you

432
00:21:43,119 --> 00:21:46,240
Speaker 1: were like, that is the laziest lucky charm I have

433
00:21:46,359 --> 00:21:49,320
Speaker 1: ever seen in my life of all the things. It's

434
00:21:49,320 --> 00:21:51,800
Speaker 1: like he was, He's like, I need a superstition, and uh,

435
00:21:52,040 --> 00:21:55,720
Speaker 1: that makes sense, I need a lucky charm. He goes, well,

436
00:21:56,040 --> 00:21:58,760
Speaker 1: party boats so they can also they can easily fix fomo,

437
00:21:58,960 --> 00:22:01,280
Speaker 1: right like if they If you can't find a ride,

438
00:22:01,680 --> 00:22:04,960
Speaker 1: there's always that option. However, you know, like the risk,

439
00:22:05,040 --> 00:22:07,640
Speaker 1: and I think the fun of party boat fishing, of course,

440
00:22:07,680 --> 00:22:09,399
Speaker 1: is that you don't know who you're fishing with. And

441
00:22:09,440 --> 00:22:10,920
Speaker 1: I know over the years you and I have both

442
00:22:10,960 --> 00:22:14,840
Speaker 1: met some characters um and and party boat people. They

443
00:22:14,840 --> 00:22:17,480
Speaker 1: tend to be good salt of the earth people. You

444
00:22:17,520 --> 00:22:19,920
Speaker 1: seem like you have a thought on that. I've very

445
00:22:20,040 --> 00:22:22,040
Speaker 1: rarely had an experience where I'm fishing next to, or

446
00:22:22,080 --> 00:22:24,760
Speaker 1: fishing near or somebody who I would rather not be

447
00:22:24,800 --> 00:22:27,120
Speaker 1: fishing near. Everybody's going out there with the same goal,

448
00:22:27,200 --> 00:22:30,520
Speaker 1: have a good time, get some fish. It is you

449
00:22:30,560 --> 00:22:33,200
Speaker 1: don't run into too many jerks on the party boats. Yeah,

450
00:22:33,240 --> 00:22:35,919
Speaker 1: I mean, you're right, man, Like, they're always just really good,

451
00:22:35,960 --> 00:22:38,240
Speaker 1: down home people, kind of like the people Bruce Springsteen

452
00:22:38,280 --> 00:22:41,000
Speaker 1: sings about you Springsteen fan, Jim. Of course, Joe. You

453
00:22:41,000 --> 00:22:45,240
Speaker 1: couldn't grow up around New Jersey without being a Springsteen fan. Well,

454
00:22:45,280 --> 00:22:48,600
Speaker 1: that's true, but like people think like born in the USA,

455
00:22:48,720 --> 00:22:50,920
Speaker 1: came in the mail with samples of tide. That's not true.

456
00:22:51,000 --> 00:22:54,080
Speaker 1: But yes, there's Jersey pride there and wouldn't you know it.

457
00:22:54,840 --> 00:22:58,040
Speaker 1: Someone sent me audio of Bruce at a recent Jersey show,

458
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Speaker 1: and while he normally ran was about politics and ship

459
00:23:01,200 --> 00:23:03,919
Speaker 1: at the beginning of his songs, he apparently decided to

460
00:23:03,960 --> 00:23:21,600
Speaker 1: give a regional party boat report. Oh wow, hey, now

461
00:23:23,080 --> 00:23:27,520
Speaker 1: wondering if you'll take a little trip with me? That's

462
00:23:27,600 --> 00:23:32,000
Speaker 1: right to a little place called Asbury Park, New Jersey.

463
00:23:34,880 --> 00:23:38,600
Speaker 1: You know, the big Mohawk was fishing about three miles

464
00:23:38,640 --> 00:23:44,359
Speaker 1: off beautiful Asbury Park yesterday and they had Paul who

465
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Speaker 1: who keeper flute. You know. The other day I was

466
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Speaker 1: talking to my old friend Tony, that Tony Tony from

467
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Speaker 1: Point Pleasant, New Jersey. When Tony's not working at the

468
00:24:00,000 --> 00:24:04,440
Speaker 1: Sestis factory, he likes to do a little fishing. I mean, heck,

469
00:24:04,440 --> 00:24:08,639
Speaker 1: who doesn't. Right, Tony said he was out on the

470
00:24:08,640 --> 00:24:12,879
Speaker 1: Gambler last week and he caught how hey, hi Hope

471
00:24:14,160 --> 00:24:20,320
Speaker 1: keeper black sea bass. Doesn't that sound tasty, doesn't he?

472
00:24:21,720 --> 00:24:29,000
Speaker 1: You know what goes good with black sea bass? Tequila? Yeah,

473
00:24:29,359 --> 00:24:32,720
Speaker 1: but you know, according to my buddy Lester, there's no

474
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Speaker 1: hard alcohol allowed on the Sea Queen up here in Brooklyn.

475
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Speaker 1: I know why I feel you, but old Lester said,

476
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Speaker 1: you know what, I didn't need any liquor because I

477
00:24:47,200 --> 00:24:51,560
Speaker 1: was feeling plenty high after catching who who he hope

478
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Speaker 1: keeper Porties. This one goes out to Lester and all

479
00:24:57,600 --> 00:25:00,919
Speaker 1: the boys at the lead taste testing facil Billion Yonkers.

480
00:25:01,440 --> 00:25:05,479
Speaker 1: I always remember to tip your mate, Oh hey, how

481
00:25:17,600 --> 00:25:19,760
Speaker 1: I fished on most of those boats the boss is

482
00:25:19,760 --> 00:25:22,720
Speaker 1: talking about you ever bring me into him out there, Jim,

483
00:25:22,720 --> 00:25:26,960
Speaker 1: because on board, who knew maybe maybe this season? Well,

484
00:25:27,080 --> 00:25:29,560
Speaker 1: I know it sounds he did a perfect job of

485
00:25:29,600 --> 00:25:33,400
Speaker 1: describing like the occupations of several of the people you'll

486
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Speaker 1: meet on a party boat. I particularly enjoyed the lead

487
00:25:35,680 --> 00:25:38,960
Speaker 1: taste testing facility guy. Anyway, let's move on from trying

488
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Speaker 1: to win the pool with the biggest fish on the

489
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Speaker 1: party boat to me trying to win the pool and

490
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Speaker 1: fish news by catching a bigger, better news story than

491
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Speaker 1: my co anchor, Hayden Sammock. Fish news. That escalated quickly.

492
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Speaker 1: So I'm gonna do a quick bit of housekeeping here.

493
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Speaker 1: I actually have a message, direct message from Mr Miles

494
00:26:01,560 --> 00:26:05,280
Speaker 1: Nulty to all of you listening. And this is so perfect.

495
00:26:06,000 --> 00:26:08,720
Speaker 1: Hayden's already laughing. This is so perfect because in his

496
00:26:08,840 --> 00:26:12,080
Speaker 1: farewell episode, Lance V The Great Lands V pointed out

497
00:26:12,119 --> 00:26:16,120
Speaker 1: how badly Miles sucks at social media. So, like, if

498
00:26:16,160 --> 00:26:19,640
Speaker 1: I may, right, most people know that you don't use

499
00:26:19,680 --> 00:26:22,520
Speaker 1: your work email to like sign up for porn Hub

500
00:26:22,600 --> 00:26:27,760
Speaker 1: premium or only fans or cat Toys monthly or whatever. Right,

501
00:26:27,920 --> 00:26:31,080
Speaker 1: you know what I'm saying? Yeah, yeah, you know I

502
00:26:31,080 --> 00:26:33,159
Speaker 1: didn't really think about it too much. I should probably

503
00:26:33,480 --> 00:26:37,000
Speaker 1: call some places, but yeah, I got you call the

504
00:26:37,040 --> 00:26:39,120
Speaker 1: places you use your work email for too, in case

505
00:26:39,119 --> 00:26:43,440
Speaker 1: you uh cut and run. Yeah, anyway, listen, So Miles

506
00:26:44,160 --> 00:26:48,480
Speaker 1: used his freaking meat eater email to sign up for Instagram,

507
00:26:48,560 --> 00:26:51,640
Speaker 1: and now he yet and now he doesn't work here anymore,

508
00:26:51,760 --> 00:26:55,600
Speaker 1: and that email went away. This literally happened two days

509
00:26:55,680 --> 00:26:58,960
Speaker 1: before our farewell show. So now he cannot get into

510
00:26:59,000 --> 00:27:02,400
Speaker 1: his Instagram account to respond to all your lovely messages

511
00:27:02,440 --> 00:27:04,960
Speaker 1: and comments and well wishes. And he personally asked me

512
00:27:05,000 --> 00:27:08,720
Speaker 1: to convey this to you so that nobody thinks he's

513
00:27:08,760 --> 00:27:12,040
Speaker 1: just like a giant dick that's too good to answer, right,

514
00:27:12,680 --> 00:27:15,560
Speaker 1: And I gotta say there is a possibility that by

515
00:27:15,600 --> 00:27:19,000
Speaker 1: the time you guys are hearing this, this issue will

516
00:27:19,040 --> 00:27:21,880
Speaker 1: have been resolved. But at last check in, like things

517
00:27:21,880 --> 00:27:24,080
Speaker 1: were not looking good. Like he's working on it, but

518
00:27:24,119 --> 00:27:26,600
Speaker 1: apparently he's like you know, Instagram, and nobody on Instagram

519
00:27:26,640 --> 00:27:30,280
Speaker 1: is beating his pager back. Are all the range among

520
00:27:30,320 --> 00:27:35,359
Speaker 1: among startups? Oh my god? So hopefully that gets fixed.

521
00:27:35,359 --> 00:27:38,000
Speaker 1: But but now you all know, there you go, message

522
00:27:38,080 --> 00:27:40,119
Speaker 1: conveyed hating what's going on with you man, how you

523
00:27:40,119 --> 00:27:42,679
Speaker 1: living this week? What you've been up to? Hey, dude,

524
00:27:43,119 --> 00:27:49,800
Speaker 1: just been poking around the y'all elk woods there this season. Yeah,

525
00:27:49,920 --> 00:27:52,600
Speaker 1: I saw your elk meat hauling adventures on the ground

526
00:27:52,600 --> 00:27:55,320
Speaker 1: and that's great and all, but we need to get

527
00:27:55,359 --> 00:27:58,480
Speaker 1: you away from that. I mean, here at Bent we'll

528
00:27:58,480 --> 00:28:00,760
Speaker 1: take a half day of trout and a trip to pizza, wings,

529
00:28:00,760 --> 00:28:03,720
Speaker 1: steaks and things over a fourteen mile round triphike to

530
00:28:03,800 --> 00:28:06,399
Speaker 1: help a buddy any day. Um, but I'm kiding, of course. Man.

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Speaker 1: It's cool to see so many of my colleagues out

532
00:28:09,040 --> 00:28:11,840
Speaker 1: in Montana putting arrows in elk, very good stuff, and

533
00:28:12,000 --> 00:28:13,600
Speaker 1: I know what a challenge that is. Where I mean,

534
00:28:13,680 --> 00:28:16,480
Speaker 1: so I've read I couldn't do it, but I hope

535
00:28:16,520 --> 00:28:18,320
Speaker 1: you get yours. Man, you're feeling good. Are you gonna

536
00:28:18,320 --> 00:28:22,000
Speaker 1: get it done? Well? First off, it actually ended up

537
00:28:22,000 --> 00:28:30,000
Speaker 1: being closer to oh dude, it is stupid brutal man. Uh.

538
00:28:30,160 --> 00:28:32,119
Speaker 1: As soon as we shot those two elk man, we

539
00:28:32,119 --> 00:28:39,040
Speaker 1: were like yes, and then we're like, oh, no, stupid brutal.

540
00:28:40,320 --> 00:28:41,680
Speaker 1: I think I'll get it done. It's a lot like

541
00:28:41,960 --> 00:28:46,320
Speaker 1: it's a lot like muskie fishing m in you know,

542
00:28:46,520 --> 00:28:49,560
Speaker 1: the only way to get it done is like sheer

543
00:28:49,800 --> 00:28:53,120
Speaker 1: volume of effort, you know, right an, Yeah, I we'll

544
00:28:53,120 --> 00:28:55,280
Speaker 1: see what's up right on. So, how are you feeling

545
00:28:55,320 --> 00:28:58,040
Speaker 1: about your news story this week? Don't worry about me, bro,

546
00:28:58,080 --> 00:29:04,440
Speaker 1: I got okay, good, all right fish news. Remember, folks,

547
00:29:04,720 --> 00:29:08,120
Speaker 1: this is a competition. And at the end, Phil my wonderful,

548
00:29:08,320 --> 00:29:17,360
Speaker 1: smart kind, charismatic boss. It's Joe's leadoff this week. So Joe, yeah,

549
00:29:17,480 --> 00:29:19,360
Speaker 1: you had the honors in your inaugural run, but now

550
00:29:19,360 --> 00:29:22,280
Speaker 1: it's my turn. So um, let's see. I've got a

551
00:29:22,320 --> 00:29:24,920
Speaker 1: record fish story this week with a twist. But first

552
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Speaker 1: I have to ask have you any experience catching Benito

553
00:29:28,520 --> 00:29:31,720
Speaker 1: or False Avocore or a Little Tuny as they're better

554
00:29:31,760 --> 00:29:34,560
Speaker 1: known from where we go from Yeah, a little tun No,

555
00:29:35,160 --> 00:29:38,200
Speaker 1: you know, I haven't personally. I've heard their riot Old

556
00:29:38,680 --> 00:29:41,480
Speaker 1: Tommy are over at Orbits goes off about them on

557
00:29:41,520 --> 00:29:43,520
Speaker 1: his podcast all the time. Man, he makes them seem

558
00:29:43,600 --> 00:29:46,920
Speaker 1: fun dude, big fan yep. Yeah, but uh, you know

559
00:29:47,000 --> 00:29:48,680
Speaker 1: before I made the move out was they were like

560
00:29:48,920 --> 00:29:53,920
Speaker 1: super high on my agenda? Right? Um? I happen to

561
00:29:53,960 --> 00:29:57,640
Speaker 1: know you, however, do have a lot of experience? Yeah?

562
00:29:57,800 --> 00:29:59,959
Speaker 1: I love them? I love. The matter of fact, Albi's

563
00:30:00,000 --> 00:30:02,920
Speaker 1: season is just about to kick off here. Also a

564
00:30:02,960 --> 00:30:05,160
Speaker 1: matter of fact, this week's guest co host, Jim Fee

565
00:30:05,200 --> 00:30:07,240
Speaker 1: is an I'll be slayer and he sees them even

566
00:30:07,280 --> 00:30:09,200
Speaker 1: sooner up on Cape Cod than I do in Jersey,

567
00:30:09,240 --> 00:30:12,080
Speaker 1: so he's already getting his fix. Um. But where I live,

568
00:30:12,240 --> 00:30:15,360
Speaker 1: these fish have this insane cult following. They only come

569
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Speaker 1: inshore for a short time. They fight like hell, and

570
00:30:17,960 --> 00:30:20,480
Speaker 1: of course like they're super popular with the Salty bro

571
00:30:20,640 --> 00:30:31,640
Speaker 1: Bra fly crowd from step bro Bra. What was that

572
00:30:31,640 --> 00:30:35,040
Speaker 1: that clip? That that's that's from a trailer to a

573
00:30:35,160 --> 00:30:39,040
Speaker 1: documentary called al or Nothing, which I highly highly recommend

574
00:30:39,520 --> 00:30:43,040
Speaker 1: everyone looks up on YouTube. And I'll just say, long

575
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Speaker 1: before any of you ever heard the name Bob the

576
00:30:45,080 --> 00:30:48,320
Speaker 1: garbage Man, there was Shane Babcock, the world's greatest false

577
00:30:48,320 --> 00:30:51,560
Speaker 1: albacore fly fisherman. Anyway, I digress. The point is that

578
00:30:51,640 --> 00:30:53,960
Speaker 1: in the north right these fish are revered, but once

579
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Speaker 1: you get south of North Carolina, they're they're pretty much

580
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Speaker 1: considered junk like, including in the Gulf of Mexico. There

581
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Speaker 1: there a year round and they just tend to get

582
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Speaker 1: in the way of the stuff guys really want to

583
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Speaker 1: catch like tuna and kingfish stuff like that. Well, late

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Speaker 1: this summer, Alabama Angler, I want to say it's it's

585
00:31:10,440 --> 00:31:13,720
Speaker 1: probably pronounced Kyle, but there's an extra A in there,

586
00:31:13,760 --> 00:31:17,560
Speaker 1: so it could also be Kale k A y l E.

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Speaker 1: I'm gonna just say Kyle. Kyle Davis signed himself up

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Speaker 1: for the Alabama Deep Sea Fishing Rodeo, which is I

589
00:31:24,000 --> 00:31:27,320
Speaker 1: understand it is a weekend long event. Now, what Davis

590
00:31:27,360 --> 00:31:30,120
Speaker 1: wanted to catch were black fin tuna, And before I

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Speaker 1: even got to the fish part, I was struck by

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Speaker 1: a quote from Davis who said he was seventy four

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Speaker 1: miles off in a one ft boat boat. I mean, dude,

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Speaker 1: that's some cowboys ship right there. Boy, that's a brave dude. Yeah.

595
00:31:47,960 --> 00:31:50,720
Speaker 1: Now I have no idea what he was running, but

596
00:31:50,880 --> 00:31:53,640
Speaker 1: they had to be carrying extra and Yeah. And while that,

597
00:31:53,800 --> 00:31:57,240
Speaker 1: while that sounds like crazy to non cowboy me, this

598
00:31:57,280 --> 00:31:59,440
Speaker 1: is also why I love you Southern golf boys. I

599
00:31:59,480 --> 00:32:02,040
Speaker 1: mean that if you need fresh tuna, you'll just trap

600
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Speaker 1: a drum a diesel to a rubber raft and get

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00:32:04,760 --> 00:32:08,560
Speaker 1: after it. And I respect that. Um. Anyway, so Davis

602
00:32:08,600 --> 00:32:11,360
Speaker 1: he found his tuna but mixed in were bonita, which

603
00:32:11,400 --> 00:32:12,880
Speaker 1: is very common. They go hand in hand, and I

604
00:32:12,920 --> 00:32:15,480
Speaker 1: can tell you from experience. We all get crazy on

605
00:32:15,520 --> 00:32:17,800
Speaker 1: the Instagram here when we land like a five pounder

606
00:32:17,840 --> 00:32:20,240
Speaker 1: on fly in mont talk, that's nothing. In the Gulf,

607
00:32:20,280 --> 00:32:23,360
Speaker 1: they're huge. Oh dude, they will break a nine weight

608
00:32:23,960 --> 00:32:26,520
Speaker 1: um and how huge, might wonder? Well? Davis ended up

609
00:32:26,560 --> 00:32:31,040
Speaker 1: sticking a bobo that weighed twenty two pounds four ounces.

610
00:32:31,080 --> 00:32:34,040
Speaker 1: But that number is technically inaccurate, and I'll get to

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00:32:34,120 --> 00:32:38,600
Speaker 1: that right, So a little twisty here, Um, you with me?

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00:32:38,680 --> 00:32:40,520
Speaker 1: Still with me? Hayden? Well, I mean you're talking to

613
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Speaker 1: it totally, you know, neophyte in the in the bobo catching,

614
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Speaker 1: don't you do for a trip home? Like in the

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00:32:53,520 --> 00:32:56,520
Speaker 1: next couple of weeks. I'll make it happen. So anyway,

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00:32:56,680 --> 00:32:58,840
Speaker 1: Davis said they were keeping some of the benita they

617
00:32:58,840 --> 00:33:01,719
Speaker 1: were catching, um and as soon as they hit the deck,

618
00:33:01,760 --> 00:33:03,800
Speaker 1: they'd cut him in half because they'd end up right

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00:33:03,800 --> 00:33:06,120
Speaker 1: in the freezer back home to use on later trips

620
00:33:06,200 --> 00:33:09,120
Speaker 1: for bait. Well, the benita they were catching were so

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Speaker 1: big they decided to keep one to weigh in at

622
00:33:11,440 --> 00:33:14,160
Speaker 1: the rodeo. Now, I said that final weight was technically

623
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Speaker 1: inaccurate because Davis and crew had stayed out fishing I'm

624
00:33:17,360 --> 00:33:21,000
Speaker 1: thinking probably overnight, so it didn't hit the Rodeo scale

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00:33:21,080 --> 00:33:24,520
Speaker 1: until thirty six hours after it was caught, which means

626
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Speaker 1: it likely weighed more than twenty two pounds four ounces.

627
00:33:28,120 --> 00:33:32,200
Speaker 1: But even after losing some water weight, it's still qualified

628
00:33:32,240 --> 00:33:35,479
Speaker 1: for an Alabama state record, beating the twenty one pound

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Speaker 1: record that had stood since nineteen fifty six. So here's

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00:33:40,160 --> 00:33:42,920
Speaker 1: the fun part. It took the Rodeo people a little

631
00:33:42,920 --> 00:33:45,280
Speaker 1: time to figure out that this was a state record,

632
00:33:45,280 --> 00:33:47,080
Speaker 1: and when they did, they immediately got in touch with

633
00:33:47,160 --> 00:33:49,560
Speaker 1: Davis and said, hey, we're gonna need that fish, and

634
00:33:49,600 --> 00:33:52,120
Speaker 1: he was like, hey, I already cut it in half

635
00:33:52,680 --> 00:33:56,080
Speaker 1: and threw it in the Babe freezer right. So luckily

636
00:33:57,080 --> 00:33:59,680
Speaker 1: he had enough photographic evidence that the fish will still

637
00:33:59,760 --> 00:34:01,800
Speaker 1: qualit five. But here's what I think is funny. While

638
00:34:01,800 --> 00:34:04,360
Speaker 1: I'm sure Davis thinks it's cool to claim the record,

639
00:34:04,640 --> 00:34:07,960
Speaker 1: he wasn't treating that fish any different than the thousands

640
00:34:08,000 --> 00:34:11,480
Speaker 1: of other bonita he's probably whacked up over the years

641
00:34:11,480 --> 00:34:15,200
Speaker 1: for bait, and I can almost guarantee between nineteen fifty

642
00:34:15,239 --> 00:34:19,440
Speaker 1: six one, many, many many bonita bigger than twenty one

643
00:34:19,480 --> 00:34:21,360
Speaker 1: pounds have been caught, but none of the people that

644
00:34:21,440 --> 00:34:24,399
Speaker 1: caught them down in the Gulf off Alabama gave enough

645
00:34:24,440 --> 00:34:27,560
Speaker 1: of a ship about them to think or care about

646
00:34:27,680 --> 00:34:30,640
Speaker 1: claiming a state record, you know what I mean? Okay,

647
00:34:30,719 --> 00:34:34,600
Speaker 1: So I kind of love and hate this, uh for

648
00:34:34,640 --> 00:34:39,120
Speaker 1: two reasons. First Off, I love that this dude is

649
00:34:39,239 --> 00:34:42,800
Speaker 1: cutting up state record fish for bait. It's actually actually

650
00:34:42,880 --> 00:34:45,400
Speaker 1: happened before. There's been stories of people like eating world

651
00:34:45,400 --> 00:34:48,480
Speaker 1: records and ship Oh yeah, I mean you hear about him.

652
00:34:48,480 --> 00:34:52,240
Speaker 1: But somehow, and I don't know why, it just makes

653
00:34:52,280 --> 00:34:54,799
Speaker 1: me happy. I guess it's. I guess it's because like

654
00:34:54,840 --> 00:34:58,640
Speaker 1: in this era of like Lion class record goofball is

655
00:34:58,719 --> 00:35:02,239
Speaker 1: trying to turn like anything into a record to have

656
00:35:02,280 --> 00:35:05,320
Speaker 1: their name in the book somewhere. Ye. Like this speaks

657
00:35:05,360 --> 00:35:09,760
Speaker 1: to like a a sort of like pure form of pursuit,

658
00:35:09,960 --> 00:35:11,440
Speaker 1: you know what I mean. Said, Well, yeah, I call

659
00:35:11,480 --> 00:35:13,799
Speaker 1: it this thing, but I'm trying to catch this thing.

660
00:35:14,120 --> 00:35:17,360
Speaker 1: So this thing is now bait regardless of its you

661
00:35:17,400 --> 00:35:21,759
Speaker 1: know status. Yeah that said. I kind of hate it

662
00:35:21,920 --> 00:35:25,000
Speaker 1: because it's just like the trash fish thing, you know. Yeah,

663
00:35:25,719 --> 00:35:28,600
Speaker 1: false Albi's not that I know a lot about them

664
00:35:28,680 --> 00:35:32,040
Speaker 1: are cool, Like they look cool, they fight hard, they

665
00:35:32,080 --> 00:35:36,560
Speaker 1: burn drags, but everyone has collectively decided for some reason

666
00:35:36,640 --> 00:35:40,360
Speaker 1: they're just like you know right now. I kind of

667
00:35:40,400 --> 00:35:42,200
Speaker 1: got a theory about it. I found that, with like

668
00:35:42,239 --> 00:35:45,600
Speaker 1: some exceptions like tarpan for instance, a lot of fish

669
00:35:45,640 --> 00:35:51,240
Speaker 1: are labeled trash fish because of like perceived edibility. Uh

670
00:35:51,360 --> 00:35:54,759
Speaker 1: do they do they just like taste shitty or well? Yeah,

671
00:35:54,840 --> 00:35:56,759
Speaker 1: And it's a it's a fair question. And I think

672
00:35:56,800 --> 00:36:00,000
Speaker 1: a lot of the the lack of table fair opportunity

673
00:36:00,000 --> 00:36:03,960
Speaker 1: to be with with Albie's um has created that that

674
00:36:04,040 --> 00:36:06,280
Speaker 1: vibe you're talking about. And I got to be real honest,

675
00:36:06,360 --> 00:36:09,560
Speaker 1: I've never eaten one. I've hacked up a lot of them,

676
00:36:09,600 --> 00:36:12,160
Speaker 1: and I can tell you compared to like a skip

677
00:36:12,239 --> 00:36:15,280
Speaker 1: jack tuna or some of the other lesser tunas, man

678
00:36:15,600 --> 00:36:19,520
Speaker 1: like that meat is so red it's almost black, and

679
00:36:19,560 --> 00:36:22,160
Speaker 1: you can just sort of smell the oiliness sort of

680
00:36:22,239 --> 00:36:25,719
Speaker 1: mackerel uh scent that these fish have, which is why

681
00:36:25,719 --> 00:36:28,960
Speaker 1: they're such great bait. That said, every once in a

682
00:36:28,960 --> 00:36:31,440
Speaker 1: blue moon, you'll see a piece of media pop up

683
00:36:31,840 --> 00:36:35,640
Speaker 1: where like somebody claims that we're all crazy and they

684
00:36:35,680 --> 00:36:39,880
Speaker 1: make like the best sashimi ever and I haven't tried it,

685
00:36:40,560 --> 00:36:42,960
Speaker 1: but you know, you you'll see a video pop up

686
00:36:43,040 --> 00:36:45,120
Speaker 1: or a catching cook where somebody's like, if you bleed

687
00:36:45,160 --> 00:36:47,879
Speaker 1: him and you do this, it's the best ever. But man,

688
00:36:48,239 --> 00:36:50,359
Speaker 1: I feel like if that were true, more people would

689
00:36:50,360 --> 00:36:52,440
Speaker 1: have caught onto that, you know what I mean, Like

690
00:36:52,480 --> 00:36:56,320
Speaker 1: you just don't. It's just not working. And like skip Jack's,

691
00:36:56,680 --> 00:37:00,120
Speaker 1: they're kind of like subpar, but they're way better than

692
00:37:00,160 --> 00:37:02,360
Speaker 1: a false apocor if I catch skippies, I'll keep some

693
00:37:02,560 --> 00:37:04,880
Speaker 1: if we're you know, but I don't know, man I

694
00:37:05,280 --> 00:37:07,319
Speaker 1: I just think that's that's what it is. They just

695
00:37:07,400 --> 00:37:12,120
Speaker 1: are such a strong flavored fish. Yeah, I mean that

696
00:37:12,200 --> 00:37:14,680
Speaker 1: would be difficult for me, you know. I'm I'm a

697
00:37:14,760 --> 00:37:18,520
Speaker 1: huge sushi guy. Man sushi and sushimi until it comes

698
00:37:18,520 --> 00:37:21,799
Speaker 1: out my eyeballs. But I am not a fan of

699
00:37:21,840 --> 00:37:25,040
Speaker 1: like oily fish, like mackerel, like totally turns me off,

700
00:37:25,440 --> 00:37:27,759
Speaker 1: right right. We're gonna explore a lot more of that

701
00:37:27,840 --> 00:37:29,799
Speaker 1: and when the new season of B Side drops with

702
00:37:30,040 --> 00:37:32,799
Speaker 1: our first episode, oily fishes is kind of like the deal.

703
00:37:33,239 --> 00:37:35,720
Speaker 1: But um, I would try it. I should. I should,

704
00:37:35,719 --> 00:37:37,560
Speaker 1: Just to say that I did it. Maybe this season

705
00:37:37,800 --> 00:37:40,960
Speaker 1: I'll bleed one out and just and just see. Dude, Well,

706
00:37:40,960 --> 00:37:42,680
Speaker 1: when I come down there and we go, i'll be fishing.

707
00:37:42,719 --> 00:37:44,959
Speaker 1: Let's do it. But you can eat all you want,

708
00:37:45,400 --> 00:37:54,680
Speaker 1: all right, speaking of eating all the fish you want,

709
00:37:55,920 --> 00:37:59,600
Speaker 1: yeah no, no, Tom's all you can eat fish bag.

710
00:38:01,680 --> 00:38:05,600
Speaker 1: My story comes from the otter side of the pond

711
00:38:06,120 --> 00:38:12,719
Speaker 1: in the UK. I have to I don't like it,

712
00:38:12,760 --> 00:38:15,360
Speaker 1: but I can't not like it because I appreciate you

713
00:38:15,480 --> 00:38:19,600
Speaker 1: trying to spin these It's great. Actually I love it. Forget.

714
00:38:19,680 --> 00:38:22,879
Speaker 1: I just said that, it's just keep being you. So

715
00:38:24,200 --> 00:38:27,480
Speaker 1: a UK couple is what I can only describe as

716
00:38:27,800 --> 00:38:32,400
Speaker 1: deeply deeply disturbed over recent developments in their backyard pond.

717
00:38:33,120 --> 00:38:37,840
Speaker 1: Uh Eric and Linda Mackenzie have recently discovered that something

718
00:38:37,960 --> 00:38:42,560
Speaker 1: had invaded their pond and has just been absolutely destroying

719
00:38:43,040 --> 00:38:47,719
Speaker 1: the prized fish that they stocked, like some fifteen years ago. Oh,

720
00:38:47,800 --> 00:38:49,840
Speaker 1: I can already guess what the prized fish are, but

721
00:38:49,920 --> 00:38:55,200
Speaker 1: I will let you continue. Basically, during their daily stroll

722
00:38:55,280 --> 00:38:58,360
Speaker 1: around the fishing grounds or whatever British folks call a

723
00:38:58,440 --> 00:39:02,360
Speaker 1: walk around a pond, they kept finding carcasses of these

724
00:39:02,760 --> 00:39:06,120
Speaker 1: prized fish. So I guess they had like a buddy

725
00:39:06,160 --> 00:39:09,120
Speaker 1: with a trail cam or something, because they slapped one

726
00:39:09,239 --> 00:39:14,520
Speaker 1: up and immediately found out what was killing their fish.

727
00:39:14,840 --> 00:39:20,759
Speaker 1: And he guesses, I'm gonna say otter. Yeah, so you

728
00:39:20,800 --> 00:39:24,200
Speaker 1: already forgot that you made the otter pun It wasn't

729
00:39:24,440 --> 00:39:28,880
Speaker 1: a big otter. Yeah. Uh. And they figured that the

730
00:39:28,880 --> 00:39:33,840
Speaker 1: otter has marked like ten fish worth an estimated five

731
00:39:34,600 --> 00:39:38,360
Speaker 1: thousand pounds, which is I don't know the exactly version, right,

732
00:39:38,400 --> 00:39:40,440
Speaker 1: but that's a ship ton of American dollars. I was

733
00:39:40,440 --> 00:39:42,160
Speaker 1: gonna say, I'll take your word for it, because I

734
00:39:42,160 --> 00:39:46,160
Speaker 1: don't know math or currency either. Um. I I know

735
00:39:46,360 --> 00:39:49,840
Speaker 1: enough about British fishing culture to to understand the way

736
00:39:49,880 --> 00:39:53,800
Speaker 1: things work there, so I know where we're going, um,

737
00:39:53,840 --> 00:39:57,120
Speaker 1: and I know that that certain things that we we

738
00:39:57,160 --> 00:39:59,440
Speaker 1: wouldn't pay a shiny nickel for worth that kind of

739
00:39:59,440 --> 00:40:02,720
Speaker 1: money there. So continue on. Let's hear what they lost

740
00:40:03,800 --> 00:40:07,399
Speaker 1: for five thousand pounds. Well I'll get to that, but

741
00:40:07,880 --> 00:40:12,200
Speaker 1: to continue the story, these folks are like are pissed.

742
00:40:12,239 --> 00:40:16,640
Speaker 1: They're they're like really really pissed. And you know how

743
00:40:16,680 --> 00:40:19,880
Speaker 1: a lot of times, like the matter, folks get the dumber,

744
00:40:19,920 --> 00:40:26,080
Speaker 1: they get absolutely absolutely anger just like completely shuts down

745
00:40:26,120 --> 00:40:30,960
Speaker 1: your brain function. Yes, well, Mr mackenzie said, and I quote,

746
00:40:32,000 --> 00:40:35,320
Speaker 1: we would like to see some restriction on their breeding

747
00:40:35,600 --> 00:40:40,520
Speaker 1: before the fish stock in our rivers is depleted. So wait,

748
00:40:40,560 --> 00:40:43,360
Speaker 1: he's talking about wild rivers, but the problem here happened

749
00:40:43,400 --> 00:40:49,120
Speaker 1: in his private pond. Yeah. Yeah, it's obviously reductionist. This

750
00:40:49,160 --> 00:40:52,480
Speaker 1: guy is clearly taking a personal problem existing in an

751
00:40:52,640 --> 00:40:57,719
Speaker 1: artificial environment that he created and applying his experience to

752
00:40:57,840 --> 00:41:02,200
Speaker 1: the entirety of the UK to be fair, is also

753
00:41:02,440 --> 00:41:08,080
Speaker 1: mostly an artificial environment. We have some listeners across the

754
00:41:08,080 --> 00:41:09,880
Speaker 1: pond Man that they're like still trying to figure out

755
00:41:09,920 --> 00:41:11,720
Speaker 1: if they like you or not. You gotta be careful,

756
00:41:11,760 --> 00:41:14,400
Speaker 1: although I'm I'm gonna make fun of them later in

757
00:41:14,400 --> 00:41:16,759
Speaker 1: this show too. So sorry. I'm a big fan of

758
00:41:16,760 --> 00:41:20,600
Speaker 1: your chalk streams anyhow. I just wish I was allowed

759
00:41:20,640 --> 00:41:22,120
Speaker 1: to fish some and had the money to do so.

760
00:41:22,320 --> 00:41:27,440
Speaker 1: I showed up there. Yeah, only bamboo anyhow. When I

761
00:41:27,440 --> 00:41:34,040
Speaker 1: read I'm sorry guy, anyhow, when I read that quote,

762
00:41:34,840 --> 00:41:38,400
Speaker 1: my first thought was that there was like some organization

763
00:41:38,719 --> 00:41:43,640
Speaker 1: that was like doing some vigilante reintroduction type stuff with

764
00:41:43,719 --> 00:41:47,560
Speaker 1: these odors, you know, maybe breeding them and dumping these

765
00:41:47,600 --> 00:41:51,480
Speaker 1: captive bread otters into the river. Uh, that's not the case.

766
00:41:51,480 --> 00:41:55,160
Speaker 1: In the research I did, Eric specifically mentioned a UK

767
00:41:55,320 --> 00:41:59,200
Speaker 1: conservation organization called the Otter Trust, So I checked out

768
00:41:59,200 --> 00:42:01,040
Speaker 1: their website thinking that I was going to see something

769
00:42:01,040 --> 00:42:04,520
Speaker 1: about a breeding program. Um, and there is absolutely no

770
00:42:04,640 --> 00:42:07,600
Speaker 1: mention of a breeding program. And further research, the only

771
00:42:07,600 --> 00:42:10,600
Speaker 1: thing that I could really find was that there was

772
00:42:10,640 --> 00:42:13,279
Speaker 1: a ten year period from like the mid eighties to

773
00:42:13,320 --> 00:42:17,719
Speaker 1: the mid nineties where about two hundred individual otters were

774
00:42:17,719 --> 00:42:20,800
Speaker 1: released at a time when there were very very few otters.

775
00:42:20,840 --> 00:42:25,560
Speaker 1: So it's not like we're dumping thousands of hosto like waters. Ye.

776
00:42:26,719 --> 00:42:28,640
Speaker 1: So yeah, again, all that to say that there's no

777
00:42:28,760 --> 00:42:35,759
Speaker 1: vigilante otter reintroduction going on. It's like a vigilante uh

778
00:42:36,320 --> 00:42:46,040
Speaker 1: cat the cat. It's a cat who is vigilant that Gordon, Okay,

779
00:42:46,520 --> 00:42:50,880
Speaker 1: And that means or at least it sounds like the

780
00:42:50,960 --> 00:42:55,400
Speaker 1: Mackenzie's are somehow suggesting that we limit the otter's ability

781
00:42:55,440 --> 00:43:00,879
Speaker 1: to breed in the wild. Yeah, man, And so yeah,

782
00:43:00,960 --> 00:43:03,920
Speaker 1: it's it's it's just a case of two people like

783
00:43:04,080 --> 00:43:07,440
Speaker 1: going all that wild stuff that's happening out there, we

784
00:43:07,480 --> 00:43:10,880
Speaker 1: need to do something about that immediately, Yeah, because I

785
00:43:10,920 --> 00:43:14,960
Speaker 1: like the stuff that I got going on in my pond. Um. Now,

786
00:43:15,480 --> 00:43:19,640
Speaker 1: I have no idea how they'd go about limiting, like,

787
00:43:19,680 --> 00:43:22,799
Speaker 1: you know, the otters breeding in the wild. But if

788
00:43:22,840 --> 00:43:26,799
Speaker 1: they do start some sort of anti otter anti breeding coalition,

789
00:43:27,520 --> 00:43:32,160
Speaker 1: I'd like to formally suggest the slogan no more otters.

790
00:43:33,960 --> 00:43:36,440
Speaker 1: We'll make surets to that right right along with my

791
00:43:36,760 --> 00:43:39,400
Speaker 1: dolphins T shirt. It's sort of the same thing, you

792
00:43:39,440 --> 00:43:41,880
Speaker 1: know what I mean, Like we have having a lot

793
00:43:41,920 --> 00:43:44,719
Speaker 1: of fun with the dolphins, but same deal, man. I mean,

794
00:43:45,000 --> 00:43:48,960
Speaker 1: unfortunately this happens too often where you know, you see

795
00:43:49,000 --> 00:43:51,120
Speaker 1: this with like it's kind of like where I live

796
00:43:51,360 --> 00:43:53,799
Speaker 1: and where you're from, like people like I think the

797
00:43:53,880 --> 00:43:56,279
Speaker 1: deer are pets and things and anything we can do

798
00:43:56,400 --> 00:43:58,759
Speaker 1: to protect the deer from this or that, you know,

799
00:43:58,880 --> 00:44:01,920
Speaker 1: shutting down bare hunts to protect this and protect that.

800
00:44:02,120 --> 00:44:05,239
Speaker 1: It's like you just can't meddle that far with the

801
00:44:05,280 --> 00:44:08,680
Speaker 1: wild man, Like sorry, And I know who even has

802
00:44:08,719 --> 00:44:11,719
Speaker 1: the time to suggest all these things or right to

803
00:44:11,719 --> 00:44:13,719
Speaker 1: whoever they have to write to, expecting people to what

804
00:44:14,320 --> 00:44:17,280
Speaker 1: jump up and start what trapping otters or even caring

805
00:44:17,360 --> 00:44:19,879
Speaker 1: or looking a gets similar to snake heads. They're everywhere now,

806
00:44:19,920 --> 00:44:22,319
Speaker 1: and like every once in a while, some one will

807
00:44:22,360 --> 00:44:24,160
Speaker 1: pop up in a new place and people like called

808
00:44:24,280 --> 00:44:28,360
Speaker 1: d ep, like get down here right now, and it's like, dude,

809
00:44:28,400 --> 00:44:30,360
Speaker 1: they're not gonna like they're not the Ghostbusters, you know

810
00:44:30,360 --> 00:44:32,279
Speaker 1: what I mean. I just swoop in and like set

811
00:44:32,320 --> 00:44:35,439
Speaker 1: up the trap like for slimer, you know. So it's

812
00:44:35,560 --> 00:44:37,520
Speaker 1: it's just lunas. Like you said, people get dumb when

813
00:44:37,520 --> 00:44:40,080
Speaker 1: they're mad. Yeah, I mean I guess you've got to

814
00:44:40,080 --> 00:44:42,839
Speaker 1: give the British folks points for consistency, because this is

815
00:44:42,880 --> 00:44:48,120
Speaker 1: like the most hilariously colonialist solution to a native species

816
00:44:48,360 --> 00:44:52,520
Speaker 1: living the way it has forever. Yes, you know, yes

817
00:44:52,600 --> 00:44:55,719
Speaker 1: for millennia. Yeah, and and and I have one more

818
00:44:55,800 --> 00:44:59,279
Speaker 1: quote that's just kind of unbelievable. So for folks who

819
00:44:59,400 --> 00:45:03,520
Speaker 1: suppose love nature, as is mentioned many times in the

820
00:45:03,640 --> 00:45:07,960
Speaker 1: articles I've found about this prized fish massacre, I can't

821
00:45:08,000 --> 00:45:11,799
Speaker 1: imagine two folks being more out of touch with reality.

822
00:45:13,000 --> 00:45:17,320
Speaker 1: Eric Mackenzie says, and I quote, we enjoy our walks

823
00:45:17,360 --> 00:45:21,560
Speaker 1: around the surrounding countryside and seeing the local wildlife, but

824
00:45:21,680 --> 00:45:25,160
Speaker 1: feel strongly the more should be done to control these animals.

825
00:45:25,239 --> 00:45:30,520
Speaker 1: And take responsibility for their actions. Like what does that

826
00:45:30,560 --> 00:45:34,000
Speaker 1: even mean? I really want to know, Like, what kind

827
00:45:34,080 --> 00:45:38,160
Speaker 1: of weird British solution Eric isn't visioning? Here? Are we

828
00:45:38,200 --> 00:45:41,520
Speaker 1: going to a point an otter lord? If that paid well,

829
00:45:41,560 --> 00:45:43,440
Speaker 1: I'd go over there and be the otter lord, you

830
00:45:43,440 --> 00:45:45,560
Speaker 1: know what I mean? Try something different for a little while.

831
00:45:47,200 --> 00:45:49,160
Speaker 1: I don't think it'd pay very good. It might get

832
00:45:49,239 --> 00:45:51,560
Speaker 1: you on the chalk streams, though, you know what I'm saying, Like,

833
00:45:51,600 --> 00:45:55,359
Speaker 1: maybe that's a perk of the job, you know, it could. Uh. Now,

834
00:45:55,440 --> 00:45:59,000
Speaker 1: I'm sure you've noticed I've been referring to the otter

835
00:45:59,120 --> 00:46:03,600
Speaker 1: victims as surprized fish. Joe, ask me what kind of

836
00:46:03,600 --> 00:46:07,399
Speaker 1: fish these are. I'm just gonna guess. I'm gonna say

837
00:46:07,400 --> 00:46:10,160
Speaker 1: their carp because I know they're about some carp over there.

838
00:46:10,840 --> 00:46:16,080
Speaker 1: They are grass carp, grass carp. That's interesting to me.

839
00:46:16,280 --> 00:46:18,400
Speaker 1: I see. Now again, I'm not super fluent in the

840
00:46:18,440 --> 00:46:21,280
Speaker 1: in the entirety of the carp scene there, but mostly

841
00:46:21,320 --> 00:46:23,680
Speaker 1: what you see and what I know guys will spend

842
00:46:23,800 --> 00:46:26,920
Speaker 1: big bucks on are the mirrors and the commons and

843
00:46:26,960 --> 00:46:29,520
Speaker 1: the ones with the long fantails. I didn't even know

844
00:46:29,600 --> 00:46:31,799
Speaker 1: grass carp was a thing over there. I'm wondering if

845
00:46:31,840 --> 00:46:34,319
Speaker 1: their native or invasive. Do you know, Oh, they are

846
00:46:34,400 --> 00:46:38,799
Speaker 1: invasive for sure? Really yeah? Kind of the interesting thing

847
00:46:38,880 --> 00:46:43,239
Speaker 1: about it is um there is, I believe is small,

848
00:46:43,800 --> 00:46:48,640
Speaker 1: you know, population that can breed in the wild because

849
00:46:48,680 --> 00:46:50,480
Speaker 1: of water temperatures. But for the most part, when you

850
00:46:50,520 --> 00:46:54,440
Speaker 1: find grass carp in the UK, they're effectively sterile because

851
00:46:54,440 --> 00:46:57,280
Speaker 1: the water temperature never gets to the point that they're

852
00:46:57,320 --> 00:47:01,400
Speaker 1: able to spawn. Got you. They're not even native in

853
00:47:01,440 --> 00:47:04,520
Speaker 1: the UK, which I think kind of falls in line

854
00:47:04,560 --> 00:47:08,520
Speaker 1: a little bit with the char story we discussed last week.

855
00:47:08,840 --> 00:47:12,839
Speaker 1: Sure with native species, although obviously these aren't fish there

856
00:47:12,840 --> 00:47:19,600
Speaker 1: otters um being extirpated in favor of imported and exotic species.

857
00:47:20,320 --> 00:47:24,680
Speaker 1: Uh somehow, Like you know, people equate a better fishing

858
00:47:24,680 --> 00:47:28,680
Speaker 1: opportunity to a better environment, and I just don't think

859
00:47:28,719 --> 00:47:32,400
Speaker 1: that that's true. No, you're right, man, Like grant, imported

860
00:47:32,400 --> 00:47:36,880
Speaker 1: grass carp should not win out over cute, playful otters.

861
00:47:37,360 --> 00:47:40,360
Speaker 1: I agree, very similar to the char deal. Uh, Phil,

862
00:47:40,719 --> 00:47:43,160
Speaker 1: what do you feel like today? What kind of sashimi

863
00:47:43,239 --> 00:47:46,879
Speaker 1: grass carp or false alvacore? I'm not sure. I would

864
00:47:46,920 --> 00:47:50,080
Speaker 1: actually probably venture to guess that the grass carp might

865
00:47:50,239 --> 00:47:53,040
Speaker 1: end up being better. Um, but that was a fun one.

866
00:47:53,080 --> 00:47:55,760
Speaker 1: We're gonna hear from Phil. He's gonna judge us, Okay,

867
00:47:55,880 --> 00:47:57,920
Speaker 1: he's gonna to lay down the law. And then as

868
00:47:57,960 --> 00:47:59,960
Speaker 1: soon as we're done, we're actually gonna do our first

869
00:48:00,040 --> 00:48:04,040
Speaker 1: for official Nibbles and SIPs segment because I've asked for

870
00:48:04,120 --> 00:48:08,160
Speaker 1: voice recordings from you guys, and boy are you delivering.

871
00:48:12,480 --> 00:48:14,319
Speaker 1: Sorry Hayden, but I've got to give it to the

872
00:48:14,360 --> 00:48:17,920
Speaker 1: Otter podcast host until you stop making these shitty puns,

873
00:48:18,360 --> 00:48:23,040
Speaker 1: Joseph Mellie, you're the winner. Listen. All three of us

874
00:48:23,080 --> 00:48:25,759
Speaker 1: can play music. And I'll be damned if our band

875
00:48:25,800 --> 00:48:29,480
Speaker 1: name isn't going to be Vigilante Otto reintroduction. Catch us

876
00:48:29,480 --> 00:48:42,400
Speaker 1: on the event, Spotify playlist and probably nowhere else. It

877
00:48:42,640 --> 00:48:50,080
Speaker 1: is of loneliness. Oh god, so Jim, I recently put

878
00:48:50,120 --> 00:48:53,040
Speaker 1: out the call for our listeners to send me voice

879
00:48:53,120 --> 00:48:56,040
Speaker 1: memos for a fresh segment. I'm calling Nibbles and SIPs

880
00:48:56,120 --> 00:48:58,680
Speaker 1: and our audio engineer Phil. He doesn't care for the name.

881
00:48:58,680 --> 00:49:01,440
Speaker 1: But that's too bad. Um, But but I told people

882
00:49:01,920 --> 00:49:04,839
Speaker 1: you could send a comment, question, rant rave. These things

883
00:49:04,880 --> 00:49:07,680
Speaker 1: could be done drunk or sober. Anything goes and I've

884
00:49:07,719 --> 00:49:10,759
Speaker 1: been getting some response. Yeah, nibbleson SIPs reminds me of

885
00:49:10,760 --> 00:49:14,000
Speaker 1: what another one of our mutual friends, crazy Alberto Nie,

886
00:49:14,200 --> 00:49:16,400
Speaker 1: used to say when he would describe how the trout

887
00:49:16,400 --> 00:49:19,640
Speaker 1: we're feeding and he would call them kisses and slaps.

888
00:49:21,480 --> 00:49:24,000
Speaker 1: That just reminds me that I gotta get Alberto knee

889
00:49:24,080 --> 00:49:26,439
Speaker 1: on this show. Kisses and slaps. It could have gone

890
00:49:26,440 --> 00:49:29,080
Speaker 1: either way, but I'm sticking with nibbles and SIPs. So anyway,

891
00:49:29,160 --> 00:49:32,520
Speaker 1: So last week, my my inaugural nibble and Sip was

892
00:49:32,560 --> 00:49:35,560
Speaker 1: a fan telling me I mispronounced some hockey ship. So

893
00:49:35,640 --> 00:49:38,319
Speaker 1: this week we have actually a very fun question from

894
00:49:38,360 --> 00:49:42,319
Speaker 1: listener Noah Dodson. Here it is, Hey guys, So my

895
00:49:42,480 --> 00:49:45,560
Speaker 1: question is I do a lot of fishing with my dad.

896
00:49:46,719 --> 00:49:49,200
Speaker 1: We go to a local lake for a lot of

897
00:49:49,280 --> 00:49:54,840
Speaker 1: large mouth and small smallmouth bass. Well, my dad's about

898
00:49:55,040 --> 00:50:00,480
Speaker 1: seventy one years old and the only bait he use

899
00:50:01,000 --> 00:50:04,200
Speaker 1: a soft plastic worms, most time in colors that the

900
00:50:04,239 --> 00:50:08,920
Speaker 1: companies don't even make anymore. He uses these alongs with

901
00:50:09,120 --> 00:50:13,880
Speaker 1: copious amounts of what he calls monkey pee. What can

902
00:50:13,920 --> 00:50:18,600
Speaker 1: I do to convince him to diversify his bait? Pile.

903
00:50:19,600 --> 00:50:22,680
Speaker 1: There is so much to say about this. Where do

904
00:50:22,760 --> 00:50:25,680
Speaker 1: we start? Yeah, so I've never heard of that particular

905
00:50:26,080 --> 00:50:30,760
Speaker 1: fish attracting. Uh, monkey monkey, you're referring to the monkey pee. Yeah,

906
00:50:30,840 --> 00:50:34,359
Speaker 1: so I was taken aback by the monkey pee. I've

907
00:50:34,400 --> 00:50:36,680
Speaker 1: never heard of it either. Um. Now, we we were

908
00:50:36,719 --> 00:50:38,640
Speaker 1: both accurate in assuming that it is in fact a

909
00:50:38,719 --> 00:50:41,799
Speaker 1: cent attracting, but I was. I was thinking it's got

910
00:50:41,800 --> 00:50:45,600
Speaker 1: to be homemade, like some backwoods homebrew or something. But

911
00:50:45,760 --> 00:50:47,480
Speaker 1: I followed up because I had to know. According to know,

912
00:50:47,560 --> 00:50:50,600
Speaker 1: a monkey piece smells like garlic, and his pops puts

913
00:50:50,640 --> 00:50:54,280
Speaker 1: it on on every bait, and it is not homemade.

914
00:50:54,400 --> 00:50:56,640
Speaker 1: He bought it many many years ago, which makes me

915
00:50:56,680 --> 00:50:59,799
Speaker 1: wonder did he buy it by the case or does

916
00:50:59,840 --> 00:51:03,319
Speaker 1: he just not fish that often? Because how long can

917
00:51:03,360 --> 00:51:06,440
Speaker 1: a bottle or two from the eighties or whenever last

918
00:51:06,560 --> 00:51:09,080
Speaker 1: if he literally puts it on every bait. No, not

919
00:51:09,200 --> 00:51:10,759
Speaker 1: that you describe it like that reminds me of the

920
00:51:10,760 --> 00:51:13,839
Speaker 1: old There used to be aerosol cans of fish spray,

921
00:51:13,920 --> 00:51:15,839
Speaker 1: you remember those, And they would smell like, oh god,

922
00:51:15,880 --> 00:51:18,160
Speaker 1: they would always blow up eventually like if you left

923
00:51:18,200 --> 00:51:20,080
Speaker 1: them in Oh my god. That you're right I don't

924
00:51:20,080 --> 00:51:23,279
Speaker 1: remember what they were called. Bang? Is that what they

925
00:51:23,320 --> 00:51:26,359
Speaker 1: were called? Bang? Bang? Yep, there were all kinds of

926
00:51:26,360 --> 00:51:28,319
Speaker 1: things like that. They were the aerosol cans and they

927
00:51:28,360 --> 00:51:30,600
Speaker 1: would always ooze if you left him in your tackle box.

928
00:51:30,880 --> 00:51:33,719
Speaker 1: And then only the hardcore salty you guys are gonna

929
00:51:33,719 --> 00:51:36,160
Speaker 1: remember this, But do you remember the freaking bait bombs.

930
00:51:36,560 --> 00:51:39,680
Speaker 1: It was like a grenade, an aerosol grenade that you

931
00:51:39,719 --> 00:51:42,279
Speaker 1: would shake and like pull the pin and drop down

932
00:51:42,280 --> 00:51:44,680
Speaker 1: on a line to depth and it would just blow

933
00:51:44,760 --> 00:51:46,640
Speaker 1: up in the middle of the water column and create

934
00:51:46,680 --> 00:51:49,560
Speaker 1: like a huge cloud of bunker or mackerel oil. I

935
00:51:49,680 --> 00:51:51,640
Speaker 1: must have missed that one. That does not ring a bell.

936
00:51:52,400 --> 00:51:54,759
Speaker 1: That's great, God, dude, you wouldn't have missed it if

937
00:51:54,800 --> 00:51:57,320
Speaker 1: you were there when one blew up in the cutty

938
00:51:57,400 --> 00:52:01,120
Speaker 1: cabin of my old pursuit, just because as it was overheated,

939
00:52:01,160 --> 00:52:04,040
Speaker 1: I forget, it gets rather hot down there in the summertime,

940
00:52:04,080 --> 00:52:05,719
Speaker 1: and like I didn't even remember it was in there,

941
00:52:06,280 --> 00:52:09,120
Speaker 1: um and and it was. It was a bad, bad deal. Anyway.

942
00:52:09,440 --> 00:52:12,720
Speaker 1: I would love to know the specifics um of Noah's

943
00:52:12,800 --> 00:52:16,080
Speaker 1: dad's arsenal, because once again, if you can, if you

944
00:52:16,080 --> 00:52:20,000
Speaker 1: can really lean on discontinued baits and colors. These worms.

945
00:52:20,000 --> 00:52:22,799
Speaker 1: He says, he's using mostly discontinued stuff. If you can

946
00:52:22,840 --> 00:52:24,400
Speaker 1: do that for years and years, you gotta have one

947
00:52:24,440 --> 00:52:27,040
Speaker 1: hell of a stash. Um And I don't know, it

948
00:52:27,040 --> 00:52:28,600
Speaker 1: could also be worth a lot of money, Like he

949
00:52:28,719 --> 00:52:31,439
Speaker 1: might have the only original power worms in crystal clear

950
00:52:31,440 --> 00:52:34,480
Speaker 1: pepsi color left on the planet. Oh that's a that's

951
00:52:34,480 --> 00:52:39,000
Speaker 1: a collectible item right there. I love crystal pepis. Did

952
00:52:39,040 --> 00:52:41,280
Speaker 1: you love the real crystal pepsi? I thought it was gross.

953
00:52:41,480 --> 00:52:43,400
Speaker 1: They brought it back a couple of years ago, and

954
00:52:43,440 --> 00:52:45,080
Speaker 1: I went on a mission to find it. I finally

955
00:52:45,080 --> 00:52:48,359
Speaker 1: found out a Walmart two towns overly, Really I did?

956
00:52:48,400 --> 00:52:51,399
Speaker 1: I did? It tastes terrible? It was horrible. So yeah,

957
00:52:51,440 --> 00:52:54,000
Speaker 1: that that in pepsi COONa? Did you go looking for

958
00:52:54,040 --> 00:52:57,840
Speaker 1: that with pepsicona? Was awful? That was really bad crystal

959
00:52:57,880 --> 00:52:59,480
Speaker 1: clear for the wind. But I think to get to

960
00:52:59,520 --> 00:53:02,080
Speaker 1: the root of the question, though, uh no, let me

961
00:53:02,080 --> 00:53:04,120
Speaker 1: tell you a story about my dad, who is about

962
00:53:04,160 --> 00:53:06,480
Speaker 1: the same age as your dad. Like, I'll take him

963
00:53:06,480 --> 00:53:09,520
Speaker 1: smallmouth fishing and I'll be catching fish on We'll just

964
00:53:09,560 --> 00:53:12,160
Speaker 1: say a new age jerkbait, and I'll give the man

965
00:53:12,239 --> 00:53:14,719
Speaker 1: the same jerkbait, but he doesn't feel like jerking it

966
00:53:14,880 --> 00:53:17,919
Speaker 1: as hard as I am. He just wants to sit

967
00:53:18,000 --> 00:53:20,879
Speaker 1: and relax. And I used to get frustrated, and now

968
00:53:20,920 --> 00:53:23,320
Speaker 1: I say, you know what, man, here's an inline spinner

969
00:53:23,840 --> 00:53:26,200
Speaker 1: just casting real and on days when his gooch level

970
00:53:26,239 --> 00:53:29,000
Speaker 1: isn't turned up to full blast, he does just find

971
00:53:29,040 --> 00:53:32,040
Speaker 1: that way and he's happy, like he doesn't need to

972
00:53:32,080 --> 00:53:35,279
Speaker 1: be the next KVD. Yeah, my dad always accuses me

973
00:53:35,320 --> 00:53:37,759
Speaker 1: of giving a lure that I know isn't going to

974
00:53:37,800 --> 00:53:40,960
Speaker 1: work like he he says, Oh, yeah, he thinks I'm

975
00:53:41,000 --> 00:53:43,560
Speaker 1: giving him one that I'm not worried about losing. So

976
00:53:45,040 --> 00:53:50,880
Speaker 1: are you sometimes? Did you got a whole arsenal of

977
00:53:51,000 --> 00:53:54,160
Speaker 1: like nicely turned wood and special striper stuff, And will

978
00:53:54,160 --> 00:53:56,319
Speaker 1: you give him like the beat up bucktail? Yeah, he's

979
00:53:56,320 --> 00:54:01,920
Speaker 1: getting the old bomber, not the thirty dollar needlefish. But no,

980
00:54:02,000 --> 00:54:04,919
Speaker 1: I know plenty of people like that where they I'm

981
00:54:05,040 --> 00:54:06,799
Speaker 1: I'm one of the people like that. Take the Cape

982
00:54:06,800 --> 00:54:08,840
Speaker 1: Cod Canal, for example, which is just the road from me.

983
00:54:09,239 --> 00:54:12,880
Speaker 1: You have these newer paddle tail swim baits that everybody uses.

984
00:54:13,239 --> 00:54:15,239
Speaker 1: I would much rather throw a bucktail and I will

985
00:54:15,239 --> 00:54:17,160
Speaker 1: watch all the people around me catch the fish on

986
00:54:17,200 --> 00:54:19,719
Speaker 1: the paddle tail swim baits, and I will at a

987
00:54:19,719 --> 00:54:23,080
Speaker 1: certain point after like three fish, it's too late to change.

988
00:54:23,239 --> 00:54:25,600
Speaker 1: After watching people catch three fish, you can't change. Now

989
00:54:25,600 --> 00:54:27,160
Speaker 1: we've got to prove the point. I gotta be like, well,

990
00:54:27,200 --> 00:54:30,440
Speaker 1: this is just good. If I changed after the first one,

991
00:54:30,440 --> 00:54:32,399
Speaker 1: it's okay. But after three I'm like, oh no, now

992
00:54:33,000 --> 00:54:35,479
Speaker 1: now I'm riding this one. Yeah. Man, Like at that point,

993
00:54:35,480 --> 00:54:38,000
Speaker 1: you've just got to stick to your guns. Like I

994
00:54:37,160 --> 00:54:41,040
Speaker 1: I totally get what you're saying. Um, But I think

995
00:54:41,080 --> 00:54:44,080
Speaker 1: another point here is like why you got to change

996
00:54:44,160 --> 00:54:48,000
Speaker 1: the man's program at seventy two years old, Like if

997
00:54:48,000 --> 00:54:50,120
Speaker 1: he wants to fish the old stuff, like no, I

998
00:54:50,239 --> 00:54:52,000
Speaker 1: just let him. Just let him do it, Like he

999
00:54:52,080 --> 00:54:55,400
Speaker 1: doesn't need to diversify his bait pile, which I found

1000
00:54:55,400 --> 00:54:57,880
Speaker 1: it being a weird term. It's like financial or something,

1001
00:54:58,000 --> 00:55:02,160
Speaker 1: isn't it diversifying bait pile? Um? And I mean, if

1002
00:55:02,160 --> 00:55:05,439
Speaker 1: he's catching fish, right, even more reason to just leave

1003
00:55:05,480 --> 00:55:07,600
Speaker 1: the man alone. Like I've found over the years that

1004
00:55:07,680 --> 00:55:10,880
Speaker 1: if someone is receptive to learning what I have to teach,

1005
00:55:10,880 --> 00:55:13,120
Speaker 1: like they're excited about it. I really enjoy that. I

1006
00:55:13,120 --> 00:55:15,279
Speaker 1: would rather see them catch the fish than me catch

1007
00:55:15,320 --> 00:55:17,600
Speaker 1: the fish. But if they're not, I just stopped being

1008
00:55:17,600 --> 00:55:20,480
Speaker 1: concerned about that person and focus back up on me

1009
00:55:20,640 --> 00:55:23,000
Speaker 1: catching fish. Like you lost your chance, you know what

1010
00:55:23,040 --> 00:55:26,160
Speaker 1: I mean? Exactly, Yeah, I'm perfectly content using the lure

1011
00:55:26,239 --> 00:55:27,920
Speaker 1: that's catching. I don't need you to use it too,

1012
00:55:28,160 --> 00:55:34,040
Speaker 1: so exactly it's my lure anyway. No, that was a

1013
00:55:34,080 --> 00:55:36,680
Speaker 1: really fun question, man, I do appreciate it. Um. I

1014
00:55:36,719 --> 00:55:39,560
Speaker 1: guess if you still insist on on modernizing your old man,

1015
00:55:39,880 --> 00:55:41,719
Speaker 1: you could throw all his ship out and replace it

1016
00:55:41,719 --> 00:55:44,440
Speaker 1: with spy baits and and top water bats or something

1017
00:55:44,520 --> 00:55:46,439
Speaker 1: he'd love. A sure, he'd love a good top water

1018
00:55:46,520 --> 00:55:49,840
Speaker 1: bat lauer, perhaps a top water snake. Um. By the way, No,

1019
00:55:49,960 --> 00:55:52,960
Speaker 1: it just got himself some swag for that. And you

1020
00:55:53,040 --> 00:55:54,960
Speaker 1: can too. If you record a voice memo and it

1021
00:55:55,040 --> 00:55:58,480
Speaker 1: ends up being played on this show. Surprise me and

1022
00:55:58,520 --> 00:56:00,719
Speaker 1: you can send those two bent at meat eater dot

1023
00:56:00,760 --> 00:56:03,440
Speaker 1: com or you can send him via d M to

1024
00:56:03,520 --> 00:56:09,239
Speaker 1: my Instagram account. Either way, tell me something. So we

1025
00:56:09,280 --> 00:56:11,480
Speaker 1: are just about out of time here, but I've actually

1026
00:56:11,520 --> 00:56:13,680
Speaker 1: got a fitting end of the line. Segment this week.

1027
00:56:13,680 --> 00:56:17,160
Speaker 1: It's sort of ties back to Noah's question um, because

1028
00:56:17,160 --> 00:56:19,600
Speaker 1: it's a great example of a lure that has It's

1029
00:56:19,600 --> 00:56:23,160
Speaker 1: got many alternatives, but the O G. Striper guys want

1030
00:56:23,320 --> 00:56:26,839
Speaker 1: the O G version. So Jim, you're a striper guy

1031
00:56:26,920 --> 00:56:29,279
Speaker 1: of the highest caliber. But without giving away the name

1032
00:56:29,320 --> 00:56:32,920
Speaker 1: of the lure, if I said sand deal teaser invented

1033
00:56:32,960 --> 00:56:35,480
Speaker 1: in England, would you know what I was talking about?

1034
00:56:35,800 --> 00:56:38,359
Speaker 1: I would know exactly what you're talking about. It's going

1035
00:56:38,400 --> 00:56:41,840
Speaker 1: to be a pretty heavy duty of resistant to bluefish teeth,

1036
00:56:42,120 --> 00:56:45,440
Speaker 1: perfect imitation of a sand deal, nice kicking tail. It

1037
00:56:45,600 --> 00:56:50,600
Speaker 1: is definitely this one, unless it's the other one. Let's

1038
00:56:50,600 --> 00:57:01,680
Speaker 1: find out. Well, that's not loud enough. Here's a short

1039
00:57:01,719 --> 00:57:06,840
Speaker 1: list of destinations that salty angler's dream of visiting. Vanawattu

1040
00:57:06,920 --> 00:57:11,440
Speaker 1: in the South Pacific, the Great Barrier Reef, the Say Shells, Hawaii,

1041
00:57:11,840 --> 00:57:15,960
Speaker 1: Cabo San Lucas believes, the Florida Keys. Now, in case

1042
00:57:16,000 --> 00:57:19,760
Speaker 1: you missed it, what did not make that list was England.

1043
00:57:20,480 --> 00:57:23,600
Speaker 1: I mean they saltwater fish over there, right, But when

1044
00:57:23,640 --> 00:57:27,520
Speaker 1: I think of coastal fishing in England, I kind of think, man,

1045
00:57:27,560 --> 00:57:30,320
Speaker 1: it would suck to be a salty eye in England.

1046
00:57:30,800 --> 00:57:35,440
Speaker 1: They chased like congareels and dog fish, pollock or haddock

1047
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Speaker 1: or something. I mean, basically, they're a list species. Are

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Speaker 1: all the ship we shake off the line over here

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00:57:41,560 --> 00:57:44,880
Speaker 1: in the Northeast. Now that said, one might assume that

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Speaker 1: there couldn't possibly be some brit made lord that's better

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00:57:49,040 --> 00:57:52,320
Speaker 1: or more original than what a salty Americans came up with.

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Speaker 1: But that's wrong. Red Guill Loures ever heard of the company?

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00:57:57,720 --> 00:57:59,760
Speaker 1: If you don't chase straight bass on the beaches of

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00:57:59,760 --> 00:58:01,880
Speaker 1: the New are at these strong chance you haven't. But

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Speaker 1: red Gill is to England what companies like Arbigast and

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00:58:05,720 --> 00:58:09,440
Speaker 1: Smithwick were to the US. Red gills started in nineteen

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Speaker 1: fifty in the Cornish fishing village of Mevagissi in southwest England.

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00:58:14,480 --> 00:58:18,080
Speaker 1: The original red gill lure was designed by Alex Ingram

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00:58:18,120 --> 00:58:20,920
Speaker 1: and it was actually way ahead of its time. The

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00:58:21,000 --> 00:58:23,480
Speaker 1: red gill mimics a sand deal, which is a common

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00:58:23,480 --> 00:58:26,080
Speaker 1: bait fish species found in the North and Middle Atlantic.

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Speaker 1: Pretty Much every inshore species that lives where sandials lives

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00:58:30,280 --> 00:58:33,920
Speaker 1: eats them starting from the back. The red gill actually

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00:58:33,960 --> 00:58:37,320
Speaker 1: has a paddle tail, which wouldn't become common on other

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00:58:37,400 --> 00:58:41,480
Speaker 1: lures for many many years. That paddle tapers into the

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00:58:41,520 --> 00:58:44,440
Speaker 1: rest of the tail, which is ribbon thin, until it

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00:58:44,520 --> 00:58:47,960
Speaker 1: meets the belly of the lure. The body widens out

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00:58:48,200 --> 00:58:52,080
Speaker 1: and finishes at a tapered very anatomically correct sand deal head.

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Speaker 1: But here's what else made the lure so unique. It's

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Speaker 1: not really a soft plastic Red gills are more rigid

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00:59:00,000 --> 00:59:03,840
Speaker 1: maid from what feels more like vinyl. Yet despite that rigidity,

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00:59:03,920 --> 00:59:07,280
Speaker 1: the taper still allows that thin paddle tail to kick

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00:59:07,440 --> 00:59:11,320
Speaker 1: and flutter. Red gills also have a hollow channel that

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00:59:11,440 --> 00:59:13,720
Speaker 1: runs from the nose to the belly. In a way,

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00:59:13,760 --> 00:59:16,640
Speaker 1: it's designed kind of like a tube fly. You wouldn't

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Speaker 1: put a red gill on a jig head. Instead, you'd

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Speaker 1: thread your line through the bait, tie the hook to

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00:59:22,400 --> 00:59:24,600
Speaker 1: the tag end, then draw the line back through the

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00:59:24,600 --> 00:59:29,320
Speaker 1: nose until that hook seats perfectly in the red gills belly.

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00:59:29,440 --> 00:59:32,240
Speaker 1: Now we got sand deals over here too, and during

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00:59:32,240 --> 00:59:36,280
Speaker 1: the fall they're inshore migration often collides with the fall

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00:59:36,400 --> 00:59:39,960
Speaker 1: striper migration to mimic this forage. There are plenty of

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00:59:40,000 --> 00:59:43,160
Speaker 1: sand deal imitations on the market, but back in the day.

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Speaker 1: The only option old timey surfcasters really had where slim

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00:59:47,440 --> 00:59:51,560
Speaker 1: metal lures and plugs. But sand deals can be very

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00:59:51,600 --> 00:59:54,560
Speaker 1: small and to steel phrase from the fly crowd. Matching

1087
00:59:54,600 --> 00:59:59,080
Speaker 1: the hatch precisely can be really important, but delivering something

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00:59:59,120 --> 01:00:01,920
Speaker 1: the true size of a small sand deal fifty feet

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01:00:01,920 --> 01:00:06,240
Speaker 1: out past the waves that's pretty challenging. At some point

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01:00:06,240 --> 01:00:09,840
Speaker 1: in history, likely in the fifties or sixties, smart surfcasters

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01:00:09,920 --> 01:00:12,760
Speaker 1: realized that a red gill could be rigged ahead of

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01:00:12,800 --> 01:00:16,000
Speaker 1: their metal lures and plugs as a teaser via a

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01:00:16,120 --> 01:00:20,120
Speaker 1: dropper loop on their leader. The primary lure now provided

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01:00:20,160 --> 01:00:22,800
Speaker 1: the umph for a proper distance cast, but the red

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01:00:22,880 --> 01:00:26,440
Speaker 1: gill matched that hatch, and because red gills weighed pretty

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01:00:26,520 --> 01:00:29,760
Speaker 1: much nothing, they also didn't affect the action of the

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01:00:29,800 --> 01:00:33,600
Speaker 1: main lure, essentially allowing anglers to present a buffet of

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01:00:33,680 --> 01:00:37,480
Speaker 1: forage size options in a single retrieve. That rigid construction

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01:00:37,880 --> 01:00:41,280
Speaker 1: also made red gills extremely durable and able to withstand

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01:00:41,480 --> 01:00:45,960
Speaker 1: season after season of abuse. Thanks to the Internet, red

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01:00:46,000 --> 01:00:48,280
Speaker 1: gills are a bit easier to get ahold of today,

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Speaker 1: but for many years they were not. Select shops on

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01:00:51,360 --> 01:00:53,720
Speaker 1: the Striper Coast carried them, but they were a bit

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01:00:53,720 --> 01:00:57,040
Speaker 1: of a secret weapon, kind of a hot commodity. I

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01:00:57,200 --> 01:00:59,440
Speaker 1: ended up with a handful in the early two thousand's

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01:00:59,480 --> 01:01:01,920
Speaker 1: because the magazine I was working for was running a

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01:01:01,960 --> 01:01:04,840
Speaker 1: piece about vintage striper lures and had them shipped straight

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01:01:04,880 --> 01:01:08,560
Speaker 1: across the pond to us. And I still have most

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Speaker 1: of them. They're tattered, scraped up, but in my opinion,

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Speaker 1: red Gills are still the best sand deal teaser you

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01:01:15,600 --> 01:01:19,120
Speaker 1: can use. There are plenty of US made knockoffs and

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Speaker 1: other options, but none I trust more than the original

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Speaker 1: red Gil. And believe me, there are days when your

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01:01:26,280 --> 01:01:29,200
Speaker 1: teaser is more important and catches a lot more fish

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Speaker 1: than your primary lure. Also, I love you England, and

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Speaker 1: I was just kidding earlier. One of these days I'll

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Speaker 1: pop over for a pint and to catch some of

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01:01:38,880 --> 01:01:47,800
Speaker 1: your conger eels and dog fish. So that's it for

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Speaker 1: this week. Remember if your dad wants to dribble monkey

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01:01:50,280 --> 01:01:52,560
Speaker 1: piss all over his helicopter lures, just let him. The

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Speaker 1: British invasion of striper lures only included one bait, and

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01:01:55,320 --> 01:01:59,320
Speaker 1: therefore was a very small invasion. Springsteen probably hogs the

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Speaker 1: back corner of party Boat, and Jim Fee will just

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01:02:01,640 --> 01:02:04,160
Speaker 1: out fish him from the front. I don't know about that.

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Speaker 1: I might outsing him. I'd love to see it either way,

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01:02:08,720 --> 01:02:11,200
Speaker 1: outsing him or out fish him. Huge thanks to you

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Speaker 1: Jim for co hosting this week. Um you can find

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Speaker 1: him on the Graham. You should. He's at James t

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Speaker 1: Fe and go watch on the waters at the Rail

1130
01:02:19,200 --> 01:02:21,360
Speaker 1: if you love the party boat scene. Also, if you

1131
01:02:21,360 --> 01:02:24,080
Speaker 1: want to hire Bruce Springsteen or Raylioted to do your

1132
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Speaker 1: fishing reports, you need to check out at Para Denoia

1133
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Speaker 1: on Instagram. Keep all those salming items, awkward moments, voice memos,

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Speaker 1: all the stuff I usually ask for. Uh, just coming

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Speaker 1: to Bent at the meat eator dot com. Keep using

1136
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Speaker 1: those degenerate Angler and Bent podcast hashtags, and finally, don't

1137
01:02:40,560 --> 01:02:42,840
Speaker 1: forget that the easiest way to cure fomo is to

1138
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Speaker 1: just never look at social media or listen to phishing

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