WEBVTT - Patriots Catch-22 7/23: Day 1 Training Camp Recap and Standouts 0:00:10.240 --> 0:00:13.560 This is the Patriots Catch twenty two podcasts with Evan 0:00:13.680 --> 0:00:17.400 Lazar and Alex Bars, Bizarre and Lazarre. 0:00:17.480 --> 0:00:21.320 He everybody nailed it, joined us always by our bark. 0:00:24.480 --> 0:00:27.680 Here is Evan Lazar and Alex Bars. So starting with 0:00:27.720 --> 0:00:30.840 the defensive line, we always joke about this. You get 0:00:30.840 --> 0:00:33.680 into the weeds of what's a defensive lineman? What's an 0:00:33.760 --> 0:00:36.360 edge defender? Do you even like the term edge defender? 0:00:36.479 --> 0:00:37.320 Now you hate it? 0:00:38.000 --> 0:00:40.480 Who? This year Madden put it in the game. 0:00:40.680 --> 0:00:43.879 I figured since Mad, since Madden put it into the. 0:00:43.880 --> 0:00:46.519 Game, that's why not. 0:00:46.640 --> 0:00:49.720 Because I've been telling you it exists for like five years. 0:00:49.720 --> 0:00:53.120 But now that it's in Madden, it's finally on your roster. 0:00:53.440 --> 0:00:55.520 I'll tell you honestly why I did it. And this 0:00:55.560 --> 0:00:57.640 is how I've always felt about edge. I think where 0:00:57.840 --> 0:01:00.920 edge is when you go through the draft. There are 0:01:00.960 --> 0:01:03.680 guys that, depending on what team drafts them and what 0:01:03.800 --> 0:01:06.200 system they'll be playing in, do you have to call 0:01:06.240 --> 0:01:08.280 them an edge because you don't know. The thing that 0:01:08.319 --> 0:01:11.480 always bugged me is once they're on a team, you 0:01:11.640 --> 0:01:13.840 know what position they're playing because you can put them 0:01:13.840 --> 0:01:14.760 in that system. 0:01:15.280 --> 0:01:18.120 So it makes it a little clearer. But we don't 0:01:18.160 --> 0:01:20.679 exactly know how this Vrabel system is going to use 0:01:20.680 --> 0:01:23.800 certain guys, So this might be one year thing for me. 0:01:23.840 --> 0:01:25.280 I might go back next year when we have a 0:01:25.280 --> 0:01:27.360 better look at this defense. But for the time being, 0:01:27.760 --> 0:01:30.440 it can go either way. So I felt, why I 0:01:30.680 --> 0:01:31.240 use it? This year? 0:01:33.240 --> 0:01:36.760 We are back. Football is back. I am back, the 0:01:36.840 --> 0:01:41.240 show is back. Everything's back. This week. I love it. 0:01:41.319 --> 0:01:46.400 I love it. Patriots football. Can we say officially unofficially? 0:01:46.520 --> 0:01:46.880 I don't know. 0:01:47.520 --> 0:01:50.640 First day of training camp. So Patriots football. 0:01:50.320 --> 0:01:52.640 Is we do this like four or five times a year. 0:01:52.640 --> 0:01:55.280 We will try not to do this. I know we 0:01:55.320 --> 0:01:56.960 do it for this. We do it the preseason opener, 0:01:57.000 --> 0:01:58.200 we do it for the opener, and then we do 0:01:58.200 --> 0:02:01.120 it for the home opener Hall of Fame game. Well, 0:02:01.160 --> 0:02:04.160 there's like football. Okay, So here's the thing. There's two 0:02:04.360 --> 0:02:07.680 Football's back, which is today, especially now that what is 0:02:07.680 --> 0:02:09.400 this now three or four years the league has done 0:02:09.400 --> 0:02:11.679 this where every team starts the same day. Used to 0:02:11.720 --> 0:02:14.000 be kind of scattered. Yeah, the Hall of Fame team 0:02:14.040 --> 0:02:16.840 started a little bit. But there's two Football is back days. 0:02:17.040 --> 0:02:20.080 There's three. There's today, which is football is back. There's 0:02:20.080 --> 0:02:22.680 football is back on TV, which is the Hall of 0:02:22.680 --> 0:02:25.400 Fame game, and then I'll give you another Football's Back 0:02:25.440 --> 0:02:26.040 for week one. 0:02:26.200 --> 0:02:28.919 I would say, there's in my mind, there's two. Football 0:02:29.240 --> 0:02:32.480 is back. Today is definitely football is back training camps 0:02:32.760 --> 0:02:36.080 like that's the meat and potatoes at the end of the. 0:02:36.400 --> 0:02:38.000 I would saying to people the other day, it was like, 0:02:38.040 --> 0:02:41.680 I'll foot like practice starts tomorrow. I'll see you again 0:02:41.720 --> 0:02:44.360 on April twenty sixth exactly, which is the day after 0:02:44.480 --> 0:02:45.480 the third round of the draft. 0:02:45.520 --> 0:02:49.679 Of course you would know that already. But anyways, we're back. 0:02:49.680 --> 0:02:52.519 Football is back. We're gonna be breaking down the Patriots 0:02:52.639 --> 0:02:55.880 first day of training camp of the twenty twenty five 0:02:55.960 --> 0:02:58.239 season with you for the next couple of hours. We 0:02:58.240 --> 0:03:00.440 were late because of Alex. It's Alex fault. 0:03:00.480 --> 0:03:01.120 He was late. 0:03:01.520 --> 0:03:03.639 I was ready to go. You had to be a 0:03:03.639 --> 0:03:06.320 little bit delayed because you had your your big sports 0:03:06.800 --> 0:03:08.160 I told you there's. 0:03:08.040 --> 0:03:10.519 Gonna be too. Ten to twelve. I was on with Zoe. 0:03:10.560 --> 0:03:12.079 I think Zoe, it's somewhere to go to. Zoe was 0:03:12.160 --> 0:03:14.679 very instant. We had a good ninety five Sports of 0:03:14.760 --> 0:03:17.160 YouTube channel, me and zo of a practice breakdown up there. 0:03:17.320 --> 0:03:20.280 Very good. So uh, that's why We're a little bit 0:03:20.280 --> 0:03:23.120 of a late uh tip off here, so apologize for that, 0:03:23.360 --> 0:03:26.560 but this is probably gonna be just some bookkeeping. This 0:03:26.600 --> 0:03:32.040 will probably be our time slot barring any unforeseen practice 0:03:32.120 --> 0:03:35.480 conflicts in terms of scheduling for training camp, So at 0:03:35.560 --> 0:03:37.560 least for the next let's call it a month or so, 0:03:37.800 --> 0:03:39.480 we're probably going to be here in this two to 0:03:39.520 --> 0:03:43.200 four time slot. Once football tells us what the end 0:03:43.240 --> 0:03:46.200 season schedule is going to look like come September, we'll 0:03:46.200 --> 0:03:48.400 adjust or not adjust. Hopefully we can leave it here, 0:03:48.440 --> 0:03:50.520 but if we have to adjust again and we will 0:03:50.520 --> 0:03:53.680 adjust again. So that's uh, that's the housekeeping items there. 0:03:53.720 --> 0:03:56.000 So thanks for holding on with us here for this 0:03:56.240 --> 0:03:58.040 little bit of a late start, but we're good to 0:03:58.040 --> 0:04:00.760 go now, and uh the page, it's are good to go. 0:04:01.120 --> 0:04:04.120 Day one of camp. Nice day, beautiful day out there. 0:04:04.680 --> 0:04:07.720 We had dogs everywhere. I'm sure you love that, Alex. 0:04:08.520 --> 0:04:10.680 You know Jess was asking me to adopt a dog 0:04:11.200 --> 0:04:11.720 and bring. 0:04:13.720 --> 0:04:13.920 Yeah. 0:04:14.000 --> 0:04:16.719 Yeah, they're mostly mostly puppies. But that was a great event. 0:04:17.240 --> 0:04:20.240 And I know the Stefan Diggs clip of him chasing 0:04:20.279 --> 0:04:23.560 the dog around has gone viral. We're gonna talk a 0:04:23.600 --> 0:04:26.640 lot about Stefan Diggs. Today, I want to start off 0:04:26.680 --> 0:04:30.400 with two things. One, we we have to throw the 0:04:30.440 --> 0:04:34.719 caveat out there that we we saw one ninety minute practice, 0:04:33.920 --> 0:04:39.680 non padded that had two team drill sessions. So we 0:04:39.720 --> 0:04:44.080 saw Drake may drop back to pass nine times today. 0:04:44.240 --> 0:04:48.520 So this was not exactly a high sample size. Next week, 0:04:48.560 --> 0:04:50.719 a week from now, we'll have a much larger sample 0:04:50.760 --> 0:04:52.640 size to work with where we can talk a lot 0:04:52.800 --> 0:04:55.160 about everything that goes into this. Now we have a 0:04:55.160 --> 0:04:57.400 show to do today, so we're still gonna tell you 0:04:57.480 --> 0:04:58.360 everything that we saw. 0:04:58.880 --> 0:05:01.440 We just take it with that learned today. It's not 0:05:01.520 --> 0:05:04.080 to sday. Today's practice was entirely irrelevant if you call 0:05:04.120 --> 0:05:07.679 in asking like if we think Will Campbell looked competitive today? 0:05:07.720 --> 0:05:09.359 Like that, you know, we're gonna wait till pads come on. 0:05:09.520 --> 0:05:13.279 But right there was stuff that definitely things take away 0:05:13.279 --> 0:05:13.760 from today. 0:05:13.880 --> 0:05:16.560 So the other bookkeeping item house keeping item that I 0:05:16.600 --> 0:05:19.400 wanted to get to, which I think is really probably 0:05:19.440 --> 0:05:23.120 the most important thing this time of year on day 0:05:23.160 --> 0:05:26.279 one is attendance and who was and wasn't present yep 0:05:26.360 --> 0:05:30.360 for this practice. So the good news for the Patriots 0:05:30.400 --> 0:05:32.880 in terms of the NFI list Carlton Davis no longer 0:05:32.960 --> 0:05:35.640 on NFI. He was a full participant. It seemed like 0:05:35.960 --> 0:05:39.200 today in practice. So you had Carlon Davis opposite Christian 0:05:39.200 --> 0:05:42.760 Gonzalez for the majority of practice today during eleven on 0:05:42.839 --> 0:05:45.560 elevens and what we did see of eleven on elevens. 0:05:45.640 --> 0:05:49.400 So Carlon Davis good to go. Off the list. The 0:05:49.520 --> 0:05:52.560 guys that remain on the list that I have PUP, 0:05:53.160 --> 0:05:57.039 Austin Hooper, Verderian Lowe. They remain on PUP. That means 0:05:57.120 --> 0:06:01.960 Jelanie Devai also off PUP. Right, So Carlon Davis, Jalani 0:06:02.000 --> 0:06:06.960 Deva good to go. Josh Minkin's the undrafted rookie. He 0:06:07.080 --> 0:06:10.960 remains on NFI. And then the two guys that you 0:06:11.200 --> 0:06:13.680 have to get some clarity on one of them. We 0:06:13.680 --> 0:06:17.960 were trying to kick it out three well, Jalen Polk Collins. 0:06:18.480 --> 0:06:22.640 Did you say Hooper and law Yeah, pay yep. So 0:06:23.440 --> 0:06:26.200 Jalen Polk was a straight absence like Jalen Polk. Oh, 0:06:26.320 --> 0:06:28.960 he was present? Yeah, d m P I should is 0:06:29.000 --> 0:06:29.800 I think a better way. 0:06:29.640 --> 0:06:31.400 To you know, I would say he did not participate 0:06:31.400 --> 0:06:33.240 in practice. He did not participate in practice, but he's 0:06:33.279 --> 0:06:37.239 not on. He is not on a list, so that's 0:06:36.200 --> 0:06:42.719 just an absence. Matt Collins was here but was not participating, 0:06:43.120 --> 0:06:45.760 but he was on the field in a uniform, but 0:06:45.880 --> 0:06:48.640 not in full uniform. So this is gets into all 0:06:48.640 --> 0:06:52.640 the technicalities of is that off up not off up? 0:06:53.120 --> 0:06:55.599 The most important thing to know about Matt Collins is 0:06:55.640 --> 0:06:58.600 he also did not participate. So your two d MPs 0:06:58.600 --> 0:07:00.720 were Jalen Polk and Mac Collins. I think he's still 0:07:00.720 --> 0:07:03.479 on I because he wasn't wearing shoes like when you 0:07:03.520 --> 0:07:06.160 say in uniform. He was in sweats just like he 0:07:06.279 --> 0:07:08.680 was offspring, but he had the jersey kind of rolled 0:07:08.760 --> 0:07:10.400 up over the sweatshirt. He was not wearing shoes. He 0:07:10.440 --> 0:07:12.960 did not have a helmet. To me, that amounts to 0:07:13.040 --> 0:07:15.480 because we last year when like Pop was on PUP, 0:07:15.600 --> 0:07:17.840 he'd come out in you know, the tank top and 0:07:17.920 --> 0:07:19.960 shorts and just kind of hang around right to me, 0:07:20.040 --> 0:07:21.920 it was that and somebody probably told him, Hey, when 0:07:21.960 --> 0:07:24.840 you do that, you can't wear a jersey. So I'm 0:07:24.840 --> 0:07:26.000 gonna guess he's still on PUP. 0:07:26.160 --> 0:07:28.120 I'm going to guess he's still on PUP too. That's 0:07:28.200 --> 0:07:31.760 my understanding of PUP is that until you actually get 0:07:31.760 --> 0:07:34.400 in on a drill and you were actually running a 0:07:34.480 --> 0:07:38.840 drill and taking a rep in practice, actually stretching going 0:07:38.880 --> 0:07:39.800 through the beginning party. 0:07:39.840 --> 0:07:41.680 I think Cole Strange came out in his uniform last 0:07:41.720 --> 0:07:42.920 year too, didn't he When he would come out, I 0:07:42.920 --> 0:07:43.800 think he had a jersey on. 0:07:44.240 --> 0:07:46.720 So the biggest thing to me, as far as I 0:07:46.760 --> 0:07:50.040 know about PUP is that you have to have at 0:07:50.160 --> 0:07:54.080 least actively participated in a portion of practice. It might 0:07:54.120 --> 0:07:57.320 just be stretching, but you have to do something you can't. 0:07:57.440 --> 0:07:59.360 What Matt Collins was doing was was a whole lot 0:07:59.440 --> 0:07:59.800 of nothing. 0:08:00.160 --> 0:08:01.760 So you say, just like you was in spring, he's 0:08:01.800 --> 0:08:04.400 kind of hanging around, he's talking to guys, right, so, 0:08:04.520 --> 0:08:07.239 but he didn't he didn't even stretch. That was confusing 0:08:07.280 --> 0:08:08.520 that he was out there for stretch. 0:08:08.560 --> 0:08:10.720 So basically the guys that did not participate in practice 0:08:10.760 --> 0:08:12.720 just a wittless all down. So it's not as confusing 0:08:12.760 --> 0:08:16.880 as I just made it. Jalen Polk, Mac Collins, Austin Hooper, 0:08:17.720 --> 0:08:21.600 Vederian Lowe, Josh Minkins. They remain out in some capacity, 0:08:21.640 --> 0:08:23.800 whether it's on a list or not on the list, 0:08:23.840 --> 0:08:26.480 whatever the case may be. So those guys remained out. 0:08:27.080 --> 0:08:29.760 But I want to get to that in a second. 0:08:29.800 --> 0:08:31.520 But I want to kind of start with the positive 0:08:31.560 --> 0:08:34.320 here a little bit if we can. The biggest takeaway 0:08:34.400 --> 0:08:37.440 I had from today, and the biggest positive for the 0:08:37.440 --> 0:08:39.880 Patriots is that Stefan Diggs is a full go and 0:08:39.960 --> 0:08:43.559 looked great. Yeah, and Steffon Diggs caught the very first 0:08:43.600 --> 0:08:46.040 pass of practice. You're probably gonna hear that a lot 0:08:46.240 --> 0:08:49.120 over the next twelve hours until we have another practice. 0:08:49.440 --> 0:08:52.559 Very first eleven on eleven two a practice. 0:08:52.760 --> 0:08:56.040 Or twelve they say, twelve twenty four, I'll come. 0:08:56.080 --> 0:08:57.160 I'll come for two A in practice. 0:08:57.320 --> 0:09:01.840 I know you would field the very very first play 0:09:02.000 --> 0:09:08.360 of twenty twenty five Patriots training camp, the first live rep. Well, 0:09:07.120 --> 0:09:10.480 I'm going I'm going positive. I'll get to it. I'm 0:09:10.520 --> 0:09:11.280 going positive. 0:09:11.480 --> 0:09:13.800 This was after a fall start. But if it's I'm 0:09:13.840 --> 0:09:15.559 not worrying, it's more remoses. I'm not worried. 0:09:15.880 --> 0:09:20.400 The very first rep that actually counted was a Drake 0:09:20.520 --> 0:09:24.600 may pass completion, just Stefon Diggs on a shallow crossing 0:09:24.679 --> 0:09:27.120 route coming over the middle of the field, and the 0:09:27.200 --> 0:09:30.000 crowd erupted. It was one of those moments where when 0:09:30.040 --> 0:09:32.880 you signed Stefan Diggs in March. Those were the types 0:09:32.880 --> 0:09:35.520 of plays and the types of passes that you envisioned 0:09:35.520 --> 0:09:38.280 Stefon Diggs and Drake may connecting on when you made 0:09:38.280 --> 0:09:41.600 the signing and right out of the shoot, they wasted 0:09:41.640 --> 0:09:44.160 no time. They already got on the board. Digs caught 0:09:44.160 --> 0:09:46.720 a pass later on in practice as well, so he 0:09:46.800 --> 0:09:49.960 looked very good. That's off and running. That connection is 0:09:50.000 --> 0:09:52.440 off and running. I think that's huge. It's important this 0:09:52.520 --> 0:09:55.080 time of year for those two guys to build that 0:09:55.200 --> 0:09:58.880 chemistry and build that camaraderie and have it just be 0:09:59.120 --> 0:10:02.360 second nature to throw to each other and to connect 0:10:02.400 --> 0:10:05.240 with each other like that. So hopefully that's signs of 0:10:05.320 --> 0:10:07.679 things to come. But they worked a lot on their 0:10:07.679 --> 0:10:10.240 base offense. There are you know, first and second down 0:10:10.240 --> 0:10:13.800 install today as a carryover from the spring. And on 0:10:13.840 --> 0:10:16.320 that play, you know Diggs got the shallow then there's 0:10:16.360 --> 0:10:18.920 like a deeper crossing route right behind it and you 0:10:19.040 --> 0:10:21.240 call it like levels right and you know one two, 0:10:21.720 --> 0:10:24.560 and it was just exactly how it's drawn up on 0:10:24.600 --> 0:10:27.760 the whiteboard. You hit the underneath level based off the coverage, 0:10:27.800 --> 0:10:30.880 get the ball out quickly. That was That was a 0:10:30.920 --> 0:10:33.000 good sight to see, it's good to see Diggs out there. 0:10:33.200 --> 0:10:35.520 He's a full go he said it after practice, and 0:10:35.559 --> 0:10:39.680 he feels great. Very first play that gets off connects 0:10:39.720 --> 0:10:42.520 right over the middle with Drake may on a crossing route, 0:10:42.640 --> 0:10:45.400 so all systems go first to fon Diggs, which is 0:10:45.440 --> 0:10:46.040 good to see. 0:10:46.480 --> 0:10:48.880 Yeah, yeah, he he looks. I mean, week one is 0:10:48.880 --> 0:10:51.320 a real conversation at this point. I don't know. It's 0:10:51.320 --> 0:10:53.160 an unfair to call it the expectation. I mean, I'm 0:10:53.200 --> 0:10:53.920 not a doctor, but. 0:10:54.280 --> 0:10:56.079 Yeah, I mean he's out there full go unless he 0:10:56.120 --> 0:10:58.160 has a setback, which is knock on what he doesn't 0:10:58.280 --> 0:10:58.880 I don't see why. 0:10:59.120 --> 0:11:01.040 And I mean the big thing, I think what people 0:11:01.080 --> 0:11:04.520 don't understand it. It's he even said today he's still 0:11:04.600 --> 0:11:05.560 kind of like working through it. 0:11:05.640 --> 0:11:05.800 Right. 0:11:06.880 --> 0:11:08.719 Is he gonna be one hundred percent for week one? 0:11:09.600 --> 0:11:11.400 Exactly the guy he was last year in Houston. I 0:11:11.400 --> 0:11:14.080 don't know physically if he's eighty percent of that guy, 0:11:14.120 --> 0:11:15.560 he's still probably their best receiver. 0:11:15.720 --> 0:11:16.080 Oh yeah. 0:11:16.120 --> 0:11:18.240 But the big thing about him being out there right 0:11:18.280 --> 0:11:21.040 now and not just being out there, but taking part 0:11:21.040 --> 0:11:24.280 in these full speed team drills. He's working on the timing, 0:11:24.600 --> 0:11:26.560 he's working on the placement, all that. With Drake May, 0:11:26.600 --> 0:11:28.720 he's building chemistry. And this was the thing with Kendrick 0:11:28.720 --> 0:11:30.880 Bourn last year because he tore his acl you know, 0:11:30.920 --> 0:11:33.199 he was on the same essentially clock obviously a year behind, 0:11:33.240 --> 0:11:37.360 but same timeframe. And there remember they kind of said, 0:11:37.360 --> 0:11:39.320 like Bourne probably could have played week one, but they 0:11:39.320 --> 0:11:42.120 gave him those four weeks to get in like football shape. 0:11:42.440 --> 0:11:45.040 So that's the difference. Born came in having not worked 0:11:45.040 --> 0:11:47.120 in camp and so he had to get on the 0:11:47.120 --> 0:11:48.720 same page. And then there was a quarterback change which 0:11:48.720 --> 0:11:51.040 made it even tougher. But like Stefan Diggs's gonna be 0:11:51.040 --> 0:11:53.320 on the same page with Drake May week one, So 0:11:53.559 --> 0:11:57.280 even if he's not totally back physically yet, that will 0:11:57.320 --> 0:11:59.600 do a good job of kind of helping close that gap. 0:11:59.800 --> 0:12:01.320 That's what the biggest thing is to me is these 0:12:01.320 --> 0:12:03.360 guys gonna be able to work together day in and 0:12:03.400 --> 0:12:05.240 day out leading up to the season. That's the most 0:12:05.320 --> 0:12:06.640 encouraging thing absolutely. 0:12:06.679 --> 0:12:10.240 And I go back to a Brady quote on this 0:12:10.360 --> 0:12:13.560 when one of our first years covering the team, Tom 0:12:13.559 --> 0:12:17.600 Brady was talking about it was the year that Edelman 0:12:17.720 --> 0:12:19.760 was coming back from the injury and then got suspended 0:12:19.760 --> 0:12:23.040 and Edelman was finally coming back, right, Yeah, And Brady 0:12:23.160 --> 0:12:26.679 was talking about how with Edelman he knew early on 0:12:26.760 --> 0:12:28.960 in the route if Edelman was going to get open, 0:12:29.360 --> 0:12:32.520 and just based off of how Edelman moves, like his 0:12:32.640 --> 0:12:36.680 body language and his mannerisms and just the motion of 0:12:36.720 --> 0:12:39.480 his body, he was able to just read it and 0:12:39.520 --> 0:12:42.480 he could understand when Edelman was putting his weight on 0:12:42.520 --> 0:12:45.640 this foot or you know, leading this way or leading 0:12:45.640 --> 0:12:48.680 that way. He just knew second nature which way Julian 0:12:48.760 --> 0:12:51.720 Edelman was going to break. Now that takes years and years, right, 0:12:51.760 --> 0:12:54.600 I'm not saying Stevan Diggson and Drake Mayer are going 0:12:54.679 --> 0:12:57.400 to do that already this season, but the things that 0:12:57.440 --> 0:13:00.640 you're talking about is starting to build towards them. When 0:13:00.679 --> 0:13:03.480 Stefan Diggs, you know, feels the defender inside of him, 0:13:03.480 --> 0:13:05.200 where does Digs like the ball? Does he want it 0:13:05.320 --> 0:13:07.520 back shoulder? Does he want it up? Does he want 0:13:07.720 --> 0:13:07.880 you know? 0:13:07.920 --> 0:13:08.120 Where? 0:13:08.120 --> 0:13:10.440 Does he want Drake to throw it? Where? Does he want? 0:13:10.559 --> 0:13:10.839 You know? 0:13:11.040 --> 0:13:13.640 If he's you know, leading the one way, is he 0:13:13.720 --> 0:13:15.760 faking or is he actually breaking that way? Like those 0:13:15.760 --> 0:13:17.520 are the types of things that they can work out 0:13:17.840 --> 0:13:20.800 this time of year and hopefully hit the ground running 0:13:20.800 --> 0:13:26.360 come week one. But my excitement level is increasing rapidly 0:13:26.679 --> 0:13:29.360 for Stefan Diggs in New England, like I am, really 0:13:29.920 --> 0:13:32.080 I feel like I was reserved about it because of 0:13:32.080 --> 0:13:34.280 the injury at first when they made the signing back 0:13:34.320 --> 0:13:36.720 in March. I didn't want to get too over zealous. 0:13:36.720 --> 0:13:39.080 He's thirty two years old, he's coming off of torn 0:13:39.160 --> 0:13:43.920 acl He's already not necessarily like the big play guy 0:13:44.000 --> 0:13:45.800 he was early on in his career. He's more of 0:13:45.840 --> 0:13:50.520 a chain mover. I tried to be calm about the situation. 0:13:51.040 --> 0:13:53.400 Now that he's a full goat for this first day 0:13:53.520 --> 0:13:56.600 training camp, and he's making catches already from Drake May 0:13:56.640 --> 0:13:59.120 in practice, and he looks a little different than some 0:13:59.160 --> 0:14:01.199 of the other receivers that they have on this team, 0:14:01.520 --> 0:14:03.800 or have had on this team the last couple of years. 0:14:04.040 --> 0:14:06.600 I'm starting to get pretty jazzed up about Stefan Diggs 0:14:06.600 --> 0:14:09.080 in New England. I really feel like there's no reason 0:14:09.120 --> 0:14:11.360 to think that he can't be the guy he was 0:14:11.360 --> 0:14:13.440 in Houston last year, which was on pace for one 0:14:13.480 --> 0:14:16.360 hundred yard one hundred catches in two thousand yards. I 0:14:16.440 --> 0:14:19.160 just don't see why we should have anything other than 0:14:19.200 --> 0:14:21.880 that expectation, not to say, you know, not to set 0:14:21.960 --> 0:14:24.440 him up for failure, but that's a great thing for 0:14:24.520 --> 0:14:27.280 this team if it all goes to plan, right. 0:14:27.400 --> 0:14:30.160 I mean, we've been down this road so many times 0:14:30.160 --> 0:14:32.040 the last ten and fifteen years with these receivers that 0:14:32.160 --> 0:14:34.840 like you don't want to allow yourself to believe it. 0:14:34.920 --> 0:14:38.600 But outside of that one, you know, he's been great. 0:14:38.920 --> 0:14:41.240 He's been great. He's given you really everything you want 0:14:41.240 --> 0:14:43.560 to look at you you're looking for, and a guy 0:14:43.600 --> 0:14:45.920 that's coming in that situation, he's a thirty two year 0:14:45.920 --> 0:14:48.000 old receiver or he's going to be thirty two, So 0:14:48.040 --> 0:14:50.680 there's expectations that come with that. You know, you're not 0:14:50.760 --> 0:14:53.440 getting the guy, like you said, not that big play 0:14:53.480 --> 0:14:56.240 threat that he was in Buffalo early on, but we 0:14:56.280 --> 0:14:58.200 know what a chain mover, how dangerous that guy can 0:14:58.240 --> 0:14:59.800 be in this offense, especially if some of these other 0:14:59.800 --> 0:15:01.160 guys we can talk about what some of the other 0:15:01.200 --> 0:15:03.400 receivers did today, if some of these other guys can 0:15:03.400 --> 0:15:05.000 step up as the big play threats, and he's the 0:15:05.000 --> 0:15:07.480 guy you're having to stay honest on underneath, like I 0:15:07.520 --> 0:15:10.680 think he's in if if he's moving as well as 0:15:10.680 --> 0:15:13.160 he is now throughout the season he's in a position 0:15:13.160 --> 0:15:14.000 to thrive in that role. 0:15:14.240 --> 0:15:16.240 Yeah, And the last thing on Diggs, and then I 0:15:16.240 --> 0:15:18.120 want to talk about some of those other receivers. And 0:15:18.360 --> 0:15:22.680 I'm gonna I'm gonna compliment Sandwich this this recap of practice, 0:15:22.680 --> 0:15:24.560 and then we'll get to all your phones and emails, 0:15:24.560 --> 0:15:27.520 I promise, But I do want to have us talk 0:15:27.560 --> 0:15:30.080 about practice and what we saw. First. The last thing 0:15:30.080 --> 0:15:33.000 on Diggs seeing him in the role that they might 0:15:33.080 --> 0:15:36.400 have in mind for him. I know everybody these days 0:15:36.440 --> 0:15:38.920 gets caught up in X Z slot, like where is 0:15:38.960 --> 0:15:41.800 he gonna play all these you know alphabet and all 0:15:41.800 --> 0:15:44.640 that numb you know letters and things like that. I 0:15:44.680 --> 0:15:47.480 don't know yet. It's one practice. I don't know yet 0:15:47.480 --> 0:15:49.520 if he's gonna be the at the X or he's 0:15:49.560 --> 0:15:51.560 gonna be at the Z, or whatever the case may be. 0:15:51.640 --> 0:15:54.040 But some of the things that I did see that 0:15:54.080 --> 0:15:56.760 he did that I was really excited about were some 0:15:56.800 --> 0:16:00.240 of those like short motions and things like that. They 0:16:00.280 --> 0:16:02.800 bring him in closer to the formation and then he 0:16:02.880 --> 0:16:05.200 releases off the line out of like a stack, a 0:16:05.240 --> 0:16:08.200 two receiver stack that gives him that bubble of space 0:16:08.320 --> 0:16:11.080 to get off the line of scrimmage and there's not 0:16:11.240 --> 0:16:13.360 going to be press coverage in his way or anything 0:16:13.440 --> 0:16:16.520 like that. And those are those little, you know, package 0:16:16.560 --> 0:16:18.680 type plays that they used to run with Julian Edelman 0:16:18.800 --> 0:16:22.160 or Wes Welker or Jacobi Meyers even a little bit 0:16:22.200 --> 0:16:25.000 towards the end there with Brady in the mac Jones 0:16:25.080 --> 0:16:28.400 zero like that. Those types of plays are a great 0:16:28.840 --> 0:16:31.800 sort of just scheme for Josh McDaniels, Like they're very 0:16:31.840 --> 0:16:35.600 successful scheme. And I really watch what they did with 0:16:35.680 --> 0:16:37.880 Diggs today and what they did with him the little 0:16:37.880 --> 0:16:39.960 bit that we saw in the spring, and I just 0:16:40.000 --> 0:16:43.080 fully expect him to be that guy in this offense, 0:16:43.280 --> 0:16:46.680 just like we've seen in the past out of that role. Now, 0:16:46.800 --> 0:16:49.200 a lot of people call it a slot receiver. I 0:16:49.200 --> 0:16:51.400 don't know if it's all a slot receiver role, Like 0:16:51.440 --> 0:16:54.080 it depends on what you want to identify it at. 0:16:54.200 --> 0:16:56.080 It's a little more involved, that's part of it. 0:16:56.160 --> 0:16:59.040 But yeah, but it's it's a hot it's the high 0:16:59.160 --> 0:17:03.040 volume role in the offense. It is the straw that 0:17:03.120 --> 0:17:06.440 stirs the drink of the offense. And that is who 0:17:06.480 --> 0:17:08.760 he's going to be. And that to me is also 0:17:09.080 --> 0:17:12.000 an exciting element to this because Josh McDaniels is going 0:17:12.040 --> 0:17:13.920 to move him around, he's going to bring him in motion, 0:17:14.280 --> 0:17:17.359 he's going to put him in positions where he is 0:17:17.400 --> 0:17:20.119 going to be able to separate and create leverage, and 0:17:20.160 --> 0:17:23.080 all those different types of things that allow receivers or 0:17:23.119 --> 0:17:25.919 help receivers to get open off the line of scrimmage quickly. 0:17:26.359 --> 0:17:28.760 And I can't emphasize enough, and I said this on 0:17:28.800 --> 0:17:33.720 our show earlier, how just the weight off the quarterback 0:17:33.840 --> 0:17:37.200 shoulders that happens when they have a receiver in their 0:17:37.320 --> 0:17:41.479 arsenal that they can just trust and have confidence in 0:17:41.560 --> 0:17:44.160 that is going to get open in high leverage situations 0:17:44.400 --> 0:17:46.400 when it's third and five, when it's third and six 0:17:46.560 --> 0:17:48.600 and the game is on the line. When you have 0:17:48.720 --> 0:17:51.920 a guy that you go to the line of scrimmage 0:17:51.920 --> 0:17:54.320 and you already feel like this is where the ball 0:17:54.400 --> 0:17:56.200 is going, and I feel pretty good about this guy 0:17:56.240 --> 0:17:59.520 getting open, the quarterback just kind of relaxes a little bit, 0:18:00.200 --> 0:18:04.000 a real weight off the shoulders for a QB. And 0:18:04.560 --> 0:18:06.440 I think Digs can be that for Drake, but I 0:18:06.520 --> 0:18:08.439 also think Hunter Henry can kind of be that for 0:18:08.520 --> 0:18:10.800 him as well. And so now maybe you actually have 0:18:10.840 --> 0:18:12.720 two of those guys. Now we'll get to it, like 0:18:12.760 --> 0:18:15.040 we'll talk about the big plays down the field and 0:18:15.080 --> 0:18:16.960 the guys on the outside, Like that's still a major 0:18:17.040 --> 0:18:19.600 question mark with this team, but they seem to have 0:18:19.640 --> 0:18:22.359 two guys at this point that I'm starting to feel 0:18:22.400 --> 0:18:24.639 more confident about that can just move the chains for 0:18:24.720 --> 0:18:26.960 the offense and then hopefully the big plays will come 0:18:27.000 --> 0:18:27.680 from elsewhere. 0:18:28.160 --> 0:18:28.360 Yeah. 0:18:28.440 --> 0:18:30.840 I to your point about the safety blankets though, and 0:18:30.920 --> 0:18:32.639 I think we saw in the spring Drake made it 0:18:32.680 --> 0:18:36.000 was a very safety blanket reliant on Hunter Henry and 0:18:36.040 --> 0:18:39.280 then Pop Douglas. And there's nothing wrong with that in Spurts, 0:18:39.359 --> 0:18:42.520 but something that was really encouraging to me for him 0:18:42.560 --> 0:18:43.800 to day, Like you said, we only saw him drop 0:18:43.880 --> 0:18:46.439 back nine times. He completed eight passes. Nobody had more 0:18:46.440 --> 0:18:48.719 than two catches. That was only two guys. It was 0:18:48.960 --> 0:18:52.320 Stefan Digson, was Kytt Williams. He was spreading the ball today. 0:18:52.440 --> 0:18:56.000 Everybody got a touch and that is paramount and the 0:18:56.040 --> 0:18:58.879 Josh McDaniels offense. As much as people talk about that 0:18:59.040 --> 0:19:01.600 slot guy being high volume role, and it is just 0:19:01.600 --> 0:19:05.840 because this is a high volume offense, all five skill 0:19:05.920 --> 0:19:08.520 position players need to be a threat to catch the 0:19:08.560 --> 0:19:10.480 ball at any given time. You need to be able 0:19:10.520 --> 0:19:12.879 to establish that with the defense in order for this 0:19:12.920 --> 0:19:16.120 offense to work at the highest level. So you can 0:19:16.200 --> 0:19:18.520 have your safety blankets, and obviously Brady had them, and 0:19:18.560 --> 0:19:20.800 even mac Jones had his, and Cam Newton had his 0:19:20.920 --> 0:19:25.879 that year, right, But they can't they can be safety blankets. 0:19:25.920 --> 0:19:28.359 There's a fine line between them being safety blankets and 0:19:28.400 --> 0:19:30.760 becoming overly reliant. You still got to prove that you 0:19:30.760 --> 0:19:32.320 can get the ball to the other guys at times 0:19:32.320 --> 0:19:34.800 to keep the defense honest. And look, again, they want 0:19:34.800 --> 0:19:37.639 a training camp, right, But after a spring where it 0:19:37.720 --> 0:19:40.080 was very highly concentrated to two or three guys, I 0:19:40.160 --> 0:19:41.720 liked how Drake may spread the ball out today. 0:19:41.880 --> 0:19:45.000 Yeah, it's a good point now to complete the compliment 0:19:45.119 --> 0:19:46.960 side of things. Yeah, the other guy that I thought 0:19:47.000 --> 0:19:49.000 really stood out today and I'm sure you'll hear a 0:19:49.040 --> 0:19:51.040 lot of headlines about him as well as Kyle Williams. 0:19:51.119 --> 0:19:54.639 Got you just mentioned. So Kyle Williams third round pick. 0:19:54.920 --> 0:19:58.040 Obviously the Patriots rookie first day of training camp, catches 0:19:58.040 --> 0:20:01.720 two passes, makes two plays, caught a back shoulder fade, 0:20:02.080 --> 0:20:05.679 an isolation on the backside against Christian Gonzales, which is 0:20:05.720 --> 0:20:08.000 great to see you finished through some contact. 0:20:07.640 --> 0:20:10.080 There as well as say he won a hand fight. 0:20:10.200 --> 0:20:11.320 That was kind of my industry. 0:20:11.400 --> 0:20:14.520 Yeah, I think it's not contact this time. 0:20:14.680 --> 0:20:16.359 No, it wasn't like a jump ball. It was a 0:20:16.359 --> 0:20:18.840 comeback and they kind of got they kind of got 0:20:18.880 --> 0:20:21.120 tied up at the top of the route and it's 0:20:21.200 --> 0:20:23.480 one of those things like in a game. All right. 0:20:23.560 --> 0:20:25.919 They both probably pushed a little bit, so you just 0:20:26.000 --> 0:20:28.199 keep the flag in the pocket. And nothing was egregious. 0:20:28.640 --> 0:20:31.880 But Kyle Williams between the hand placement all that won 0:20:31.920 --> 0:20:34.280 the leverage and he created the separation to get the ball. 0:20:34.680 --> 0:20:36.560 It's good to see him do that because that's not 0:20:36.600 --> 0:20:40.520 necessarily his game and it's kind of the knock on him. Frankly. 0:20:41.400 --> 0:20:43.919 If it doesn't work out for Kyle Williams in the league, 0:20:43.920 --> 0:20:47.200 it's going to be because of strength at the catch 0:20:47.280 --> 0:20:49.479 point and being able to make those types of plays. 0:20:49.720 --> 0:20:51.919 That was a standout play because of that. But the 0:20:51.920 --> 0:20:55.040 other play that he made, the underneath crosser, he ran 0:20:55.160 --> 0:20:58.280 right away from robertsplane like I was standing up the top. 0:20:58.320 --> 0:21:00.919 We were doing our show and Roberts Blaine did not 0:21:00.960 --> 0:21:03.159 have the angle on him like he was not catching him, 0:21:03.200 --> 0:21:05.760 he was turning up the sideline, so you see those 0:21:05.840 --> 0:21:08.160 catching runs. I like that play from Drake too, because 0:21:08.200 --> 0:21:10.720 it seemed like he read the progression through and got 0:21:10.760 --> 0:21:12.720 down to the checkdown. He kind of went, you know, 0:21:13.160 --> 0:21:16.000 from deep to check down there on that play and 0:21:16.160 --> 0:21:19.440 almost like a full field read and and Kyle Williams 0:21:19.480 --> 0:21:22.920 is just on a shallow crosser underneath the formation there, 0:21:23.520 --> 0:21:26.639 just won a foot race against Robert Splaine over the 0:21:26.640 --> 0:21:29.040 middle of the field and turned up field and had 0:21:29.040 --> 0:21:30.879 some yards after the catch on that play as well, 0:21:30.920 --> 0:21:32.359 So you got a little bit of both. You got 0:21:32.560 --> 0:21:35.399 him lining up on the outside on the backside against 0:21:35.400 --> 0:21:38.040 Gonzo and making a play in some tight coverage, and 0:21:38.040 --> 0:21:40.720 then you also had the wheels, you know, the burst 0:21:40.760 --> 0:21:41.760 after the catch there too. 0:21:41.840 --> 0:21:44.200 I still think though, just based off what we saw 0:21:44.200 --> 0:21:48.320 today again early, we shall almost change that lower third 0:21:48.400 --> 0:21:52.560 to just say again or disclaimer one practice, right, But 0:21:53.520 --> 0:21:55.119 it kind of feels like you're setting up Kyle Williams 0:21:55.160 --> 0:21:57.639 to be the X and maybe he's going to do 0:21:57.760 --> 0:22:01.240 some not X type things from that spot. And we've 0:22:01.240 --> 0:22:03.879 talked about this. Brandon Cooks deon Branch like it's happened 0:22:03.920 --> 0:22:06.960 in McDaniel's offense before. But it does feel like they're 0:22:07.040 --> 0:22:09.560 they're kind of lining things up for him to be 0:22:09.600 --> 0:22:09.879 the X. 0:22:10.440 --> 0:22:10.640 One. 0:22:10.680 --> 0:22:13.320 Other standout catch, got to give credit to Kendrick Bourne. 0:22:13.720 --> 0:22:15.400 It was a good probably at the catch of the day, 0:22:16.040 --> 0:22:19.119 goes up over. It was Craig Woodson right, and it 0:22:19.160 --> 0:22:21.760 was Josh Dobbs underthrew him. It shouldn't have been a 0:22:21.840 --> 0:22:26.040 jump ball. It became a jump ball and just ripped 0:22:26.080 --> 0:22:29.000 it away from got up the ladder, ripped it away 0:22:29.040 --> 0:22:31.959 from Woodson, held on through contact as he hit the ground. 0:22:32.359 --> 0:22:33.480 Nice play, all right. 0:22:33.520 --> 0:22:36.520 So that was all the positives, at least on the offense. 0:22:37.280 --> 0:22:41.000 I think defensively today there wasn't a ton to glean 0:22:41.119 --> 0:22:43.480 except for where guys are playing and Davis being out 0:22:43.480 --> 0:22:47.680 there was good to see. But the compliment Sandwich, I'll. 0:22:47.520 --> 0:22:48.959 Just say this for the defense. Here's my one thing 0:22:48.960 --> 0:22:52.640 with the defense, Like the speed thing is real. We 0:22:52.720 --> 0:22:55.520 talked about them adding this speed and explosiveness on defense 0:22:55.520 --> 0:22:57.520 and that felt like it was a focus this offseason 0:22:58.400 --> 0:23:01.119 and they it looked like they did that. Like the 0:23:01.960 --> 0:23:06.680 uh Harold Landry, Milton Williams, Robert Splane these guys are 0:23:06.680 --> 0:23:09.760 flying around. Now. The question is we do this with 0:23:09.800 --> 0:23:10.560 receivers all the time? 0:23:10.640 --> 0:23:10.800 Right? 0:23:10.840 --> 0:23:13.560 Does that speed still play when the pads come on? 0:23:14.320 --> 0:23:16.879 So we'll see that in three or four days, whatever 0:23:16.920 --> 0:23:20.720 it is. But no, they're I mean this, it looks different. 0:23:20.920 --> 0:23:24.200 There's another level of explosiveness on this, specifically the front 0:23:24.240 --> 0:23:27.080 the secondary they've always had. I mean, Devin mccordy's incredibly fast. 0:23:27.119 --> 0:23:30.520 I was at speeding secondary the front like it's a 0:23:30.560 --> 0:23:33.719 different It's so clearly a different prototype of player than 0:23:33.760 --> 0:23:35.560 what we've seen here for a long time. And again 0:23:35.760 --> 0:23:38.359 now it's just when the pads come on. We've talked 0:23:38.359 --> 0:23:40.720 about this. The run defense is probably my big concern. 0:23:41.280 --> 0:23:42.520 We're not going to get to see that for another 0:23:42.560 --> 0:23:43.960 couple of days. But I liked what I saw today 0:23:44.000 --> 0:23:45.840 in terms of the get off of the defense. 0:23:45.520 --> 0:23:48.320 So that that would be the plus side was that 0:23:48.400 --> 0:23:51.600 I thought the defensive front really controlled practice in this 0:23:51.720 --> 0:23:54.399 game for a long portions of the team drills that 0:23:54.440 --> 0:23:56.840 we did see. So you can take that one of 0:23:56.880 --> 0:23:58.680 two ways. And I know people will, I know your 0:23:58.760 --> 0:24:00.680 your station, will right your station? Will? 0:24:01.320 --> 0:24:04.639 I don't care negative, I really don't care what happens 0:24:04.720 --> 0:24:06.360 up front until the pads come on good or bad. 0:24:06.400 --> 0:24:09.480 I really don't care that's fair, but based off of 0:24:09.560 --> 0:24:11.399 what we saw, because we have to talk about what 0:24:11.440 --> 0:24:14.960 we saw today, it's all we can do. I don't 0:24:15.000 --> 0:24:19.760 necessarily know where I stand with charting practice sacks because 0:24:19.760 --> 0:24:23.520 I feel like practice it's so it's really hard to 0:24:23.680 --> 0:24:25.679 determine whether or not it would truly have been a 0:24:25.720 --> 0:24:27.440 sack or not. You don't know if he's going to 0:24:27.480 --> 0:24:30.000 get the quarterback on the ground. It's live bullets and 0:24:30.040 --> 0:24:31.920 you're just trying to watch it all and digest it 0:24:31.960 --> 0:24:35.280 all without the benefit of reviewing the practice tape after 0:24:35.320 --> 0:24:38.280 the fact. It's really hard to say sometimes if they 0:24:38.280 --> 0:24:40.240 were truly sacks or not. But let's just call it 0:24:40.280 --> 0:24:42.600 for what it was. There was pressure on the quarterback 0:24:42.880 --> 0:24:46.359 when Drake May was out there. You Milton Williams, Keon White. 0:24:46.680 --> 0:24:49.600 I saw Harold Andre Chason got on there, got in 0:24:49.640 --> 0:24:52.640 there one time off the edge. There was probably four 0:24:52.720 --> 0:24:56.040 or five times where the pocket broke down on the quarterback. 0:24:56.119 --> 0:25:00.199 And this is a conversation that we're not paid hit 0:25:00.200 --> 0:25:03.280 againty panic buttons this early on. But I understand it's 0:25:03.280 --> 0:25:05.400 going to strike a nerve for some people because here 0:25:05.440 --> 0:25:07.560 we go again, right with the offensive line and the 0:25:07.600 --> 0:25:10.680 blocking up front. But I want to mainly talk about 0:25:10.760 --> 0:25:13.760 not necessarily the results because like you said, no pads, 0:25:13.800 --> 0:25:15.480 Like we'll get to the results as it is, but 0:25:15.760 --> 0:25:18.679 there still seems to be some moving parts as we 0:25:18.760 --> 0:25:21.919 expected on the interior of this offensive line, and this 0:25:22.000 --> 0:25:27.040 to me really is where they could improve significantly the 0:25:28.040 --> 0:25:30.600 upside of the line, and that is, you know, Jared 0:25:30.600 --> 0:25:33.439 Wilson aren't getting some reps at center. And it's no 0:25:33.560 --> 0:25:36.520 disrespect to Garrett Bradbury at all. He's a veteran player, 0:25:36.520 --> 0:25:39.040 he's been around. If he's the starter come week one, 0:25:39.080 --> 0:25:41.600 it makes sense. It's similar to like breaking in a 0:25:41.640 --> 0:25:43.840 young quarterback, right You don't want to just throw Jared 0:25:43.880 --> 0:25:47.920 Wilson to the Wolves right away. But Jared Wilson, it 0:25:47.960 --> 0:25:51.679 was Garrett Bradbury got like the first round of reps 0:25:51.680 --> 0:25:54.600 with Drake May and and then Jared Wilson got Drake 0:25:54.640 --> 0:25:58.200 May's second time through in the team periods. So Jared 0:25:58.200 --> 0:26:01.040 Wilson's at least starting to mix in. That's a positive 0:26:01.080 --> 0:26:03.880 in my mind for sure, just because we didn't see 0:26:03.920 --> 0:26:06.080 him at all in the spring really doing teams so 0:26:06.080 --> 0:26:09.120 he's doing team now and he's already starting to mix 0:26:09.200 --> 0:26:12.760 in a little bit at center. So the line, even 0:26:12.760 --> 0:26:15.840 though it's much younger, in an experience, you do feel 0:26:15.880 --> 0:26:19.800 like the talent overall elevates if Jared Wilson's the center 0:26:19.880 --> 0:26:21.119 and not Garrett Bradberry. 0:26:21.359 --> 0:26:23.679 Like I told you, I've been saying this since the draft. 0:26:24.080 --> 0:26:27.080 I think he's in the conversation for week one, I do. 0:26:27.400 --> 0:26:29.680 And what you saw today was a guy that that's 0:26:29.720 --> 0:26:32.920 a battle. One guy went, then the other guy went, 0:26:33.119 --> 0:26:35.679 and we're not at the stage where we're evaluating it. 0:26:35.720 --> 0:26:38.240 I guess with centers, pads or no pads. You want 0:26:38.280 --> 0:26:40.639 to look at the snaps. I didn't see any bad snaps. 0:26:40.640 --> 0:26:41.840 I don't know if I missed one, but. 0:26:43.520 --> 0:26:45.600 Woolridge dropped one. But I don't think that. 0:26:45.520 --> 0:26:47.879 Was That wasn't either of those guys. So okay, So 0:26:48.240 --> 0:26:51.919 that's a real position battle. That's a competition. That's what 0:26:51.960 --> 0:26:54.280 that is. One of those guys is going to start one, isn't. 0:26:54.280 --> 0:26:57.240 They're both getting shots with top offense. The other three 0:26:57.280 --> 0:26:59.679 spots or three of the other spots are relatively settled. 0:26:59.720 --> 0:27:02.840 Morgan Moses was switch switching out. I think that's probably 0:27:02.880 --> 0:27:05.440 load management as much as anything else. Now, it does 0:27:05.480 --> 0:27:07.720 tell us to mantre Jacobs is probably the favorite to 0:27:07.760 --> 0:27:09.960 be the backup right tackle, which makes sense when we 0:27:09.960 --> 0:27:11.879 see Kayan Wallace working at guard as much as we 0:27:11.920 --> 0:27:15.720 did today, and well, but that's on the right side. 0:27:16.160 --> 0:27:19.720 Varian Low anyway, well we've seen him on the right side. 0:27:20.040 --> 0:27:22.879 But you know, Cole Strange didn't rotate out, did he 0:27:22.920 --> 0:27:23.679 with the tok room. 0:27:23.640 --> 0:27:26.040 No, the top group, but you know, was pretty consistent 0:27:26.119 --> 0:27:28.440 those scores just the center. 0:27:28.680 --> 0:27:31.320 So maybe the battle may. I wouldn't be surprised if 0:27:31.320 --> 0:27:33.480 Strange he gets competition at some point. That won't be 0:27:34.040 --> 0:27:35.600 I don't think that'll be soon. I think that'll be 0:27:35.640 --> 0:27:37.320 when the pads come on, if he starts to stumble 0:27:37.320 --> 0:27:39.160 a little bit. But you know, four of those five 0:27:39.200 --> 0:27:41.600 spots are set, and if Jared Wilson wins out, I 0:27:41.600 --> 0:27:43.879 feel good about that. It's not going to be the 0:27:43.880 --> 0:27:45.879 best offensive line in football, but it's not going to 0:27:45.920 --> 0:27:48.080 be the worst either, And it's you know, I think, 0:27:48.200 --> 0:27:50.040 probably somewhere closer to the middle, which if they can 0:27:50.080 --> 0:27:52.400 get to average from where they were last year, there's 0:27:52.400 --> 0:27:53.560 still work to do. But if they can get to 0:27:53.640 --> 0:27:57.520 average in one offseason from historically bad. I think you 0:27:57.560 --> 0:27:59.560 feel good about that, but no that I was telling 0:27:59.600 --> 0:28:01.560 you that Jared Wilson one's going to be one to watch. 0:28:01.600 --> 0:28:04.359 That kid can play. I know he's young and he's inexperienced. 0:28:04.720 --> 0:28:08.160 He's incredibly athletic for that small spot. It's really smart. 0:28:08.680 --> 0:28:10.480 Plays what he plays with a little bit of nasty, 0:28:10.520 --> 0:28:13.159 which will help him. Kid can play. I'm excited to 0:28:13.160 --> 0:28:13.800 see what he can do. 0:28:14.000 --> 0:28:16.080 It's fun to think about some of the things that 0:28:16.119 --> 0:28:19.400 they can do with him on the move as a center. 0:28:19.480 --> 0:28:22.880 Like it's so he's a rare athlete for that position, 0:28:23.040 --> 0:28:25.560 and when you have a rare athlete at the center position, 0:28:25.640 --> 0:28:28.600 it just makes your entire line faster as a group. 0:28:28.880 --> 0:28:31.280 And so the way that you can reach outside you know, 0:28:31.280 --> 0:28:33.719 on a stretch player outside zone play, you know, if 0:28:33.760 --> 0:28:36.720 he can overtake you know, someone in the a gap 0:28:36.840 --> 0:28:39.080 or you know a three technique or something like that. 0:28:39.120 --> 0:28:41.560 Like that's a hard block to make, but certain guys 0:28:41.560 --> 0:28:44.360 that are explosive in ours athletic as he is, might 0:28:44.360 --> 0:28:47.160 be able to make them. You know, talking about getting 0:28:47.240 --> 0:28:49.480 him and like Will Campbell out in front of a screen, 0:28:49.840 --> 0:28:52.200 right like those two guys in space that they can 0:28:52.280 --> 0:28:54.640 chop guys down and they can cover ground and they 0:28:54.640 --> 0:28:57.840 can do those different types of things toss plays, you know, 0:28:57.920 --> 0:29:00.680 getting him up to the second level of the defense 0:29:00.960 --> 0:29:03.840 on a run play as well. That that's something that 0:29:03.880 --> 0:29:08.120 I think is potentially a really exciting, you know, kind 0:29:08.160 --> 0:29:11.920 of strength of Jared Wilson. So maybe this this settles 0:29:12.120 --> 0:29:14.640 with Jared Wilson at center. Maybe that makes everybody feel 0:29:14.640 --> 0:29:17.920 a little bit better on paper. Again, I when it 0:29:17.960 --> 0:29:19.960 comes to this time of year, there's two things, Like one, 0:29:20.360 --> 0:29:23.280 you can't really block anybody, Like you're not like really 0:29:24.080 --> 0:29:26.800 being physical, you know, you're kind of like sliding your 0:29:26.840 --> 0:29:29.120 feet like it's basketball and just like trying to stay 0:29:29.160 --> 0:29:31.959 in front of your guy as a defender in basketball 0:29:32.240 --> 0:29:33.840 would this time of year. And the other thing is 0:29:33.840 --> 0:29:35.800 is that you're not there's not really a thread of 0:29:35.840 --> 0:29:39.080 the run, like you're not really like going in a 0:29:39.200 --> 0:29:41.640 in a drill or in a team period where the 0:29:41.640 --> 0:29:43.880 defense has to like be honest about that. 0:29:44.120 --> 0:29:46.520 I was actually gonna say because usually this time of year, 0:29:47.560 --> 0:29:49.840 you know, you run ten reps, you throw nine, and 0:29:49.880 --> 0:29:51.840 they might mix a run play in there just to 0:29:51.920 --> 0:29:54.040 keep the defense honest. Even if it's you can't really 0:29:54.080 --> 0:29:55.760 do anything with it. I felt like they were mixing 0:29:55.840 --> 0:29:57.600 the run. I don't know the last time I saw 0:29:57.600 --> 0:29:59.600 a run mixed in that much in a non padded product. 0:29:59.760 --> 0:30:02.640 Yeah, each guy got like each quarterback, I mean, got 0:30:02.680 --> 0:30:04.080 maybe two or three runs. 0:30:03.800 --> 0:30:06.320 Per That feels like more than what we've usually seen 0:30:06.400 --> 0:30:07.239 right in that little bit. 0:30:07.360 --> 0:30:09.040 And one of the things that stood out to me is, 0:30:09.040 --> 0:30:11.680 I thought, and getting it just one day, so we're 0:30:11.680 --> 0:30:13.400 gonna have to see the whole look of it once 0:30:13.440 --> 0:30:16.160 it we move forward here by a lot of zone running, 0:30:16.400 --> 0:30:20.480 a lot of stretch outside zone. There was a couple 0:30:20.520 --> 0:30:23.080 of you know, full back elements as well, but a 0:30:23.080 --> 0:30:26.160 lot of outside zone. I think that that's going to 0:30:26.200 --> 0:30:28.360 be a bigger emphasis of this version. And this is 0:30:28.400 --> 0:30:30.960 just my opinion, like it's not informed in anyway, but 0:30:32.000 --> 0:30:34.560 this is gonna be more of an emphasis emphasis in 0:30:34.600 --> 0:30:37.880 this version of Josh mcdaniels's offense than what we've seen 0:30:37.920 --> 0:30:40.920 in the past because Drake can move right, so you 0:30:41.000 --> 0:30:43.400 don't have Mac Jones or Tom Brady back there. You 0:30:43.480 --> 0:30:46.120 have a mobile quarterback that is really really good on 0:30:46.160 --> 0:30:48.160 the move and is actually a strength of his game 0:30:48.240 --> 0:30:50.760 is getting outside the pocket and throwing on the run. 0:30:50.840 --> 0:30:52.440 And I kind of liked what he said. Today after 0:30:52.480 --> 0:30:54.960 practice he was asked what's new in the toolbox this year, 0:30:55.000 --> 0:30:56.760 and he said he want what was the exact what 0:30:56.920 --> 0:30:59.840 was like remaining a pass remaining a passer when he runs. Yes, 0:31:00.000 --> 0:31:02.520 it's not just running to scramble, it's running to extend 0:31:02.520 --> 0:31:05.600 the play. Keep the defense honest. I mean the guys 0:31:05.600 --> 0:31:07.280 that play this way at a high level, your guy 0:31:07.400 --> 0:31:09.680 Josh Allen, like, that's that's the. 0:31:09.680 --> 0:31:11.440 Things when they're the most andous. 0:31:11.440 --> 0:31:13.440 If you're gonna keep the defense honest, that you can 0:31:13.480 --> 0:31:16.200 still throw the ball. It's all about putting guys in conflict, right, 0:31:16.200 --> 0:31:18.160 there's no better way to put the defense in conflict. 0:31:18.160 --> 0:31:20.880 Then you're outside the pocket. You're almost to the numbers, 0:31:21.360 --> 0:31:23.959 but they still can't commit and come get you because 0:31:24.000 --> 0:31:25.880 they know you're just gonna throw the ball right behind him. 0:31:25.920 --> 0:31:27.520 So we'll see if today was just like a zone 0:31:27.560 --> 0:31:30.200 running day and tomorrow we'll get back to getting on 0:31:30.280 --> 0:31:32.760 double teams and leading full backs and like, you know. 0:31:32.720 --> 0:31:32.960 Do that. 0:31:33.040 --> 0:31:35.920 I would also say, if you are going to mix 0:31:35.960 --> 0:31:37.400 in the run just for the sake of mixing and 0:31:37.440 --> 0:31:39.280 the run in a non padded practice to keep the 0:31:39.320 --> 0:31:42.680 defense honest. It makes more sense to call zone than. 0:31:42.600 --> 0:31:46.040 Powerless, especially not in paths because like if you're trying 0:31:46.040 --> 0:31:48.120 to get on like a double team or something like that, 0:31:48.400 --> 0:31:51.440 and these types of practices, like what are you really accomplishing? 0:31:51.560 --> 0:31:53.920 Right Like the Yeah, outside zones much more of like 0:31:53.960 --> 0:31:57.680 a athletic graceful exactly. Yeah, it is a power movement. 0:31:57.720 --> 0:31:59.480 So we'll see. They could still come out that first 0:31:59.520 --> 0:32:01.960 day full payah, smash and heads. 0:32:02.040 --> 0:32:05.680 Yeah, So that was that was There was good and 0:32:05.800 --> 0:32:09.600 bad there with the offensive line. The positive though of it, 0:32:09.640 --> 0:32:12.360 to kind of bring it back is at this defensive line, 0:32:12.680 --> 0:32:15.360 at least the front you know, the the front line, 0:32:15.480 --> 0:32:18.840 defensive players on the dead line of scrimmage. There's still 0:32:19.200 --> 0:32:21.680 I still feel really confident that this group is going 0:32:21.760 --> 0:32:23.960 to be a force to be reckoned with, you know, 0:32:23.960 --> 0:32:29.760 Milton Williams, Barmore, Keon White Landry uh Chase On probably 0:32:29.840 --> 0:32:33.560 for now, maybe that's Braydon Swinson, maybe that's Elijah Ponder 0:32:33.600 --> 0:32:36.840 down the road, if one of those rookies can start 0:32:36.880 --> 0:32:40.200 pushing for that third down pass rush specialist type of role. 0:32:40.800 --> 0:32:44.040 But Milton Williams was disruptive I thought, you know, Keyon White, 0:32:44.320 --> 0:32:46.880 they have him playing mostly end in this system, which 0:32:46.880 --> 0:32:50.000 I like. Barmore Actually I saw a couple of times 0:32:50.080 --> 0:32:52.960 kicking outside to end as well to try to give 0:32:53.000 --> 0:32:55.560 them some more flexibility to get you know, a Tonga 0:32:55.600 --> 0:32:58.560 inside or a ke On White more inside the formation 0:32:58.680 --> 0:33:02.440 as well. So there's gonna be a lot of there's 0:33:02.480 --> 0:33:05.560 gonna be some impact players on that defensive line. The line, 0:33:06.120 --> 0:33:08.600 not to take Landry off the field on purpose, like 0:33:08.640 --> 0:33:10.640 you know, he's a good player too, but like when 0:33:10.680 --> 0:33:13.680 you start to think about you know, bar More Tonga 0:33:13.720 --> 0:33:16.520 at the nose tackle, Milton Williams is somewhere at the 0:33:16.520 --> 0:33:19.360 three technique or whatever, and Keon White like as like 0:33:19.400 --> 0:33:22.200 a true defensive end. You know, we talked earlier about 0:33:22.800 --> 0:33:24.880 and have talked about like run defense, and if we 0:33:24.880 --> 0:33:27.520 have any concerns about run defense, which I have had some. 0:33:28.280 --> 0:33:31.960 That's a much more beefier, more stout. Yeah, that's a 0:33:32.000 --> 0:33:34.880 more stout group. And bar Moore is if he can 0:33:35.040 --> 0:33:37.400 be more flexible and maybe kick out side a little 0:33:37.440 --> 0:33:39.800 bit further. He's played some three to four end in 0:33:39.840 --> 0:33:42.480 his career, you know, some over straight up over the 0:33:42.520 --> 0:33:45.120 tackle type of stuff. So it's not that it's totally 0:33:45.280 --> 0:33:47.120 foreign to him or impossible for him. 0:33:47.200 --> 0:33:49.440 He has the athleticism too, Like at a certain point 0:33:49.440 --> 0:33:52.040 you can fall back on athleticism, Yeah, when you're just 0:33:52.120 --> 0:33:52.760 that skilled. 0:33:52.920 --> 0:33:56.320 Yeah. So I'm I'm pretty bullish on that group. But 0:33:56.360 --> 0:33:58.440 the flip side, as I'm sure some people will take it, 0:33:58.480 --> 0:34:01.120 is that the blocking could have been better. The blocking 0:34:01.200 --> 0:34:02.080 up front could have been better. 0:34:02.560 --> 0:34:04.880 They could have stonewalled them today. They could allowed one 0:34:04.920 --> 0:34:08.160 hundred sacks today. I just I don't care until the 0:34:08.160 --> 0:34:09.719 pads come on. I know, I'm just saying my part. 0:34:10.360 --> 0:34:14.200 Well, because like now let's say we have a show 0:34:14.200 --> 0:34:14.640 to do today. 0:34:14.680 --> 0:34:16.360 Let's say Will I know, but let's say Will Campbell 0:34:16.400 --> 0:34:18.240 is a really good first day in pads, right, Yeah, 0:34:18.280 --> 0:34:20.480 everybody's gonna say, well, I didn't you talk about when 0:34:20.480 --> 0:34:22.880 he sucked before, Like because I don't care. 0:34:22.840 --> 0:34:24.560 Well, I didn't think it was and the verse too. 0:34:24.640 --> 0:34:26.520 He could have a great I'm just using him as 0:34:26.520 --> 0:34:29.600 an example because I like Will Campbell. There's some people 0:34:29.640 --> 0:34:32.200 that don't, that still hate that pick get over it, 0:34:32.280 --> 0:34:36.080 but there are so you know, I don't. I you know, 0:34:36.200 --> 0:34:37.839 I got to set myself up so when I give 0:34:37.840 --> 0:34:39.359 that Tate. Was it gonna be Monday, the first day 0:34:39.360 --> 0:34:41.759 of pads. Other way too, he could be awesome. He 0:34:41.800 --> 0:34:44.160 could be awesome and talk about he's awesome. Oh well, yeah, 0:34:44.200 --> 0:34:46.080 you were just waiting because he sucked the first few days. No, 0:34:46.120 --> 0:34:48.680 I don't care. I I let me see who's out 0:34:48.680 --> 0:34:51.640 there together. If it's a sack because of a blown assignment, 0:34:51.680 --> 0:34:55.360 I care about that because pads are no should be assignments. 0:34:55.360 --> 0:34:58.200 Sound right, and I'll give you the the center snap 0:34:58.200 --> 0:35:00.920 in the ball right, clean snaps, don't put balling. Oh well, 0:35:00.960 --> 0:35:03.319 you know this swim move really gave them trouble. They're 0:35:03.320 --> 0:35:06.160 not in pads. I don't care. It's not real football. 0:35:07.000 --> 0:35:08.359 Well it's fair. 0:35:08.719 --> 0:35:10.840 You're right, were show you today, But that's my take. Today. 0:35:11.080 --> 0:35:12.920 Your station's gonna be the one that's doing it. 0:35:13.000 --> 0:35:15.000 I know. And if I was on with them today, 0:35:15.000 --> 0:35:17.680 I would say, look, this is I like you can 0:35:17.719 --> 0:35:20.200 put stock into it. I'm choosing not to. If the 0:35:20.239 --> 0:35:22.640 same thing happens when the pads come on. If we're 0:35:22.640 --> 0:35:23.360 still talking. 0:35:23.120 --> 0:35:25.120 About this in ten days, then we have a problem. 0:35:25.200 --> 0:35:28.120 Right one day, I don't have a problem yet. I'm 0:35:28.160 --> 0:35:31.799 with you on that. I actually the best compliment that 0:35:31.840 --> 0:35:35.320 I could probably give Will Campbell with the caveat of again, 0:35:35.480 --> 0:35:38.120 like I wish I did, But I don't have access 0:35:38.160 --> 0:35:40.160 to the practice film, so I'm not watching it back. 0:35:40.200 --> 0:35:42.920 I'm watching this live and trying to pick up as 0:35:42.960 --> 0:35:45.600 much as I possibly can. The best compliment I can 0:35:45.600 --> 0:35:48.040 give Will Campbell right now is I don't notice Will Campbell. 0:35:48.520 --> 0:35:50.640 That's what I was gonna say. Again, I'm using him 0:35:50.640 --> 0:35:53.799 as an example. Thinking back on it, I don't know 0:35:53.840 --> 0:35:55.880 how much today I was like, oh, we'll like I 0:35:55.920 --> 0:35:59.239 think it was like one play. Yeah, I don't even know. 0:36:00.400 --> 0:36:02.400 There was one rush where I thought Chazon got the 0:36:02.400 --> 0:36:05.120 corner on that's what and Drake May had to step 0:36:05.200 --> 0:36:07.440 up in the pocket. But you know, Drake May, as 0:36:07.480 --> 0:36:09.440 long as there's a good interior of Drake h, he 0:36:09.440 --> 0:36:10.600 could have just driven by him. 0:36:10.680 --> 0:36:10.839 Right. 0:36:11.520 --> 0:36:14.160 It wasn't like Will Campbell was beat so clean that. 0:36:14.880 --> 0:36:17.000 We talked about this. Somebody called in the offices was like, 0:36:17.040 --> 0:36:19.520 what's the successful season for Will Campbell? And I think 0:36:19.560 --> 0:36:22.000 I remember my answer was we mentioned that he's the 0:36:22.000 --> 0:36:23.839 Week one starter and then we don't say his name 0:36:23.840 --> 0:36:26.000 again until he's named in All Pro. Yeah, like that's 0:36:26.040 --> 0:36:26.920 a successful season. 0:36:26.960 --> 0:36:31.080 So all right, So that's that's pretty much practice. Again. 0:36:31.160 --> 0:36:34.640 It was only a ninety minute session, two team periods, 0:36:34.680 --> 0:36:38.160 mostly individual drills and just easing back into things here. 0:36:38.760 --> 0:36:40.719 Was there anything else that stood out to you? We 0:36:40.760 --> 0:36:44.120 also had press conferences, so we mentioned Drake May's comments 0:36:44.160 --> 0:36:47.120 about remaining a passer longer. I love that, you know what, 0:36:47.280 --> 0:36:50.800 that's great. That was exactly I didn't necessarily think that 0:36:50.880 --> 0:36:54.040 he did. It was a detriment to him last year, 0:36:54.080 --> 0:36:56.759 Like I didn't necessarily have that takeaway from last year 0:36:57.200 --> 0:37:00.279 that oh he left some plays on the field by 0:37:00.320 --> 0:37:02.960 taking off a little bit too prematurely, maybe a couple 0:37:02.960 --> 0:37:05.880 of times, but nitpicky things, you know. I think it 0:37:05.960 --> 0:37:09.680 was totally terrible. But the good news is that he's 0:37:09.800 --> 0:37:13.160 established that he's a really good scrambler. So now teams 0:37:13.200 --> 0:37:15.920 are going to start to respect him as a scrambler 0:37:15.960 --> 0:37:18.080 and he might be a you know, have more gravity 0:37:18.120 --> 0:37:18.719 towards him. 0:37:19.080 --> 0:37:22.160 Pit's development, it's it's play development, like it's that simple. 0:37:22.760 --> 0:37:26.359 Other things that stood out to me. Talked about Drake 0:37:26.360 --> 0:37:28.239 May spreading the ball. I like that, talked about the 0:37:28.239 --> 0:37:32.920 line rotation, We talked about speed on defense, oh digs. 0:37:33.440 --> 0:37:38.280 So his press conference right, Yes, it was all very measured. 0:37:38.880 --> 0:37:41.040 He was asked about rehabbing from the knee and talked 0:37:41.040 --> 0:37:42.640 about it. You know, it takes time to come back 0:37:42.680 --> 0:37:44.680 from this. He's got to work through it. He's asked 0:37:44.680 --> 0:37:46.719 about learning the playbook and he said, yeah, you know, 0:37:46.760 --> 0:37:49.160 I'm still studying as much as I can, and I'm 0:37:49.200 --> 0:37:51.359 excited for it. Receivers have had success, but I'm still 0:37:51.360 --> 0:37:53.600 working on it. Chemistry with Drake may you know, that's 0:37:53.600 --> 0:37:55.320 going to be a process that's not going to happen 0:37:55.320 --> 0:37:56.680 in one day. We're gonna have to work on that, 0:37:56.920 --> 0:37:59.759 spend time together on the field, off the field. And 0:37:59.800 --> 0:38:01.520 then I think his last answer was just like a 0:38:01.640 --> 0:38:04.600 very general like kind of advice to young players. Don't 0:38:04.680 --> 0:38:08.040 ride the roller coaster, you know, stay balanced, trust the 0:38:08.080 --> 0:38:12.160 process all that night and day. From what we heard 0:38:12.200 --> 0:38:15.200 from the wide receiver room last year, and I just 0:38:15.239 --> 0:38:17.439 think that approach is going to be important in that room. 0:38:17.760 --> 0:38:20.120 Let's not get too high, let's not get too low. 0:38:20.600 --> 0:38:22.400 Let's handle this on a day by day basis. You know, 0:38:22.440 --> 0:38:24.000 when Diggs was signed, a lot of the talk was 0:38:24.000 --> 0:38:25.480 not just what he was gonna bring on the field, 0:38:25.680 --> 0:38:28.239 but as a leader, and that's exactly what you're hoping 0:38:28.280 --> 0:38:32.480 to hear from him is just a more baseline, nuanced, 0:38:33.000 --> 0:38:36.200 less extreme mental approach to all this. And there's other 0:38:36.200 --> 0:38:38.200 guys in that room that probably need that, and you 0:38:38.239 --> 0:38:40.320 hope he's imparting it on them, and you hope they're listening. 0:38:40.920 --> 0:38:43.520 But I thought it was you know, it would have 0:38:43.520 --> 0:38:45.560 been really easy for him to come out and say, yeah, 0:38:45.640 --> 0:38:47.000 me and Drake are doing great. You know, I love 0:38:47.000 --> 0:38:48.800 playing with him, blah blah blah whatever. Give us the 0:38:49.040 --> 0:38:51.480 sexy SoundBite that we all want to know is yeah, 0:38:51.520 --> 0:38:54.080 you know, we're starting to work together, but it's day 0:38:54.120 --> 0:38:56.040 one and we're gonna have a lot more work to do. 0:38:56.120 --> 0:38:59.040 Like that's a mature answer, and I think it's a 0:38:59.040 --> 0:39:02.120 lot closer to the truth. So I loved what he 0:39:02.120 --> 0:39:04.400 had to say after practice. I thought that stuff was excellent. 0:39:04.480 --> 0:39:06.160 Oh so, there's one other thing I wanted to get 0:39:06.160 --> 0:39:08.480 to before we move on, and we opened it up here. 0:39:09.040 --> 0:39:09.680 Jalen Polk. 0:39:10.360 --> 0:39:10.800 Yeah. 0:39:10.840 --> 0:39:14.720 So, Jalen Polk ended last year with the shoulder injury 0:39:15.120 --> 0:39:17.200 technically on injured reserve. He was on injury re serve 0:39:17.239 --> 0:39:19.320 for one year. He had he had surgery in the 0:39:19.360 --> 0:39:22.680 off season on the shoulder. We saw him and Digs 0:39:22.719 --> 0:39:25.200 working a lot together in the spring off to the 0:39:25.239 --> 0:39:27.959 side on the side field when they were doing full 0:39:27.960 --> 0:39:30.799 team drills, just running routes against the air. And then 0:39:30.840 --> 0:39:32.680 he comes out there today. He's not on the list, 0:39:32.719 --> 0:39:36.839 he's not on NFI or PUP, but he's not participating 0:39:36.880 --> 0:39:40.040 in practice here today. And on the one hand, I 0:39:40.040 --> 0:39:42.480 want to give Jaalen Polk a little bit of grace 0:39:42.520 --> 0:39:44.839 because it's again we're gonna keep saying it's one day 0:39:44.920 --> 0:39:46.759 for everybody, it's one day for him, like he could 0:39:46.760 --> 0:39:49.960 be out there tomorrow, yeah and whatever, but it's not 0:39:50.160 --> 0:39:53.200 tracking that way for him. And right now he needs 0:39:53.280 --> 0:39:55.319 to prove it, right, Like he needs to go out 0:39:55.360 --> 0:39:58.880 there and prove he belongs in this league quickly because 0:39:59.280 --> 0:40:02.719 this frank like this regime doesn't know him anything, right, 0:40:02.760 --> 0:40:05.600 like Mike Rabele didn't draft him, Like it's not his guy. 0:40:05.920 --> 0:40:08.480 I think they like him, but as a person and everything, Like, 0:40:08.480 --> 0:40:10.680 I don't think they dislike Jalen Polk by any means. 0:40:10.760 --> 0:40:12.919 But at the same time, you can't make the club 0:40:12.920 --> 0:40:15.880 from the tub. He's still not on the field. It's 0:40:15.920 --> 0:40:17.880 it's hard, it's it's a hard look, right, now. 0:40:17.760 --> 0:40:20.000 No, he's played ketchup. He has to play ketchup. It's 0:40:20.000 --> 0:40:22.120 that simple, and you're not doing that from you know, 0:40:22.160 --> 0:40:22.880 the rehab field. 0:40:23.080 --> 0:40:25.680 Yeah, I hope that he gets out there because you 0:40:25.680 --> 0:40:28.200 want to see everybody compete. You want to see everybody 0:40:28.560 --> 0:40:31.040 compete for roles. But you know, Matt Collins, I think 0:40:31.080 --> 0:40:33.600 his role and or his vision of his role is 0:40:33.600 --> 0:40:35.840 sort of locked in, as you know, a fourth or 0:40:35.840 --> 0:40:38.880 fifth receiver and a special teamer and a leader and 0:40:38.960 --> 0:40:41.560 like a veteran presence in the room. You know, Kyle 0:40:41.600 --> 0:40:44.640 Williams and Stefan Diggs are going to be here. I 0:40:44.719 --> 0:40:47.040 believe that that Pop Douglas is as close to a 0:40:47.040 --> 0:40:48.239 lock as you possibly. 0:40:48.320 --> 0:40:49.960 He has to be. They just don't have the speed. 0:40:50.000 --> 0:40:51.200 They don't have speed without him. 0:40:51.280 --> 0:40:53.480 So that's four guys, right, there's. 0:40:53.200 --> 0:40:57.440 One or two spots, right, Diggs, Williams, Pop In Hollins. 0:40:57.719 --> 0:40:59.600 So are they going to keep five or six? A 0:40:59.600 --> 0:41:02.040 lot of people have projected them to seven, myself included. 0:41:02.320 --> 0:41:04.120 I kind of did that to make a point. I 0:41:04.160 --> 0:41:07.799 don't know how realistic that actually is. So there's one 0:41:07.880 --> 0:41:11.800 or two spots, and that's including kender Porn, that's including 0:41:11.880 --> 0:41:15.000 Kishon booty. That's including Fton Chisholm. Yeah, so he's got 0:41:15.120 --> 0:41:17.000 even if it's seven. Even if it's seven, he has 0:41:17.040 --> 0:41:19.520 to pass at least one of those guys. Based on 0:41:19.560 --> 0:41:20.719 what we saw in the spring. I don't know that 0:41:20.719 --> 0:41:22.279 he's ahead of any of those guys right now. 0:41:22.760 --> 0:41:24.920 Yeah, he's got to get out there, and he knows it. 0:41:25.040 --> 0:41:27.480 Like I'm not telling him anything, saying anything that I'm 0:41:27.480 --> 0:41:30.279 sure he's not thinking himself. But we're going to open 0:41:30.360 --> 0:41:33.200 up the emails and the phones now. But before we do, Hey, 0:41:33.200 --> 0:41:36.600 football fans, enter the Patriots Road Trip Raffle for your 0:41:36.680 --> 0:41:38.920 chance to travel to New Orleans as the Patriots take 0:41:38.960 --> 0:41:41.919 on the Saints on October twelfth. One lucky fan will 0:41:41.920 --> 0:41:44.840 receive two tickets on a private charter to the game, 0:41:45.080 --> 0:41:48.680 tickets to the game, hotel, accommodations, and much more. Enter 0:41:48.760 --> 0:41:51.200 for a chance to win for just ten dollars. All 0:41:51.200 --> 0:41:54.120 proceeds benefit the Patriots Foundation. To purchase your tickets to 0:41:54.160 --> 0:41:58.919 visit www dot patriots dot com slash community. So this 0:41:58.960 --> 0:42:00.480 is the trip to New Orleans and so where the 0:42:00.520 --> 0:42:03.000 Patriots are going to play the Saints. I said this 0:42:03.040 --> 0:42:05.520 earlier as well. I keep repeating that but whatever, Uh, 0:42:05.719 --> 0:42:08.120 the Saints, the New Orleans game, in the Tampa game, 0:42:08.200 --> 0:42:10.960 or the two games I have circled on my calendar 0:42:11.040 --> 0:42:13.279 as my the road trips I'm most looking forward to. 0:42:13.800 --> 0:42:16.080 That is going to be a fun time in the 0:42:16.120 --> 0:42:17.399 Bayou in Nola and the. 0:42:17.360 --> 0:42:19.520 Other crazy thing we I think we did this during 0:42:19.520 --> 0:42:21.480 the offseason. That's as far west as they go, right, 0:42:21.520 --> 0:42:22.200 what's further west? 0:42:22.200 --> 0:42:24.000 I believe New Orleans. 0:42:24.120 --> 0:42:25.319 So that's as far west as they go. 0:42:25.840 --> 0:42:28.160 Well, it's gonna be a good trip. That come on 0:42:28.280 --> 0:42:32.279 like preason a weekend on Bourbon Street. From everything I heard, 0:42:32.400 --> 0:42:34.359 the restaurants down there are fantastic. 0:42:34.840 --> 0:42:37.080 It's gonna be a good time to go to New 0:42:37.160 --> 0:42:38.200 Orleans and drunk. 0:42:38.680 --> 0:42:41.279 I didn't say that. I didn't say that. I just 0:42:41.280 --> 0:42:43.480 said it's going to be a good time, and I 0:42:43.520 --> 0:42:45.680 have not. You want me to humble back again. I 0:42:45.719 --> 0:42:47.959 have not been to New Orleans since Super Bowl thirty six, 0:42:49.040 --> 0:42:51.839 so so it's it would be fun to go as 0:42:51.840 --> 0:42:54.319 an adult I was. I was nine years old the 0:42:54.400 --> 0:42:56.400 last time I was in New Orleans. So enter to 0:42:56.400 --> 0:42:58.759 win that raffle and you two can be going to 0:42:58.800 --> 0:43:02.280 New Orleans to watch the Patriots play the New Orleans 0:43:02.320 --> 0:43:05.279 Saints plus no offense New Orleans Saints. I kind of 0:43:05.280 --> 0:43:07.719 think that's dub like I'm kind of marking that one 0:43:07.760 --> 0:43:08.200 as w. 0:43:08.600 --> 0:43:10.759 I mean that team's objectively not great. 0:43:10.800 --> 0:43:13.200 Yeah, that team is not very good on paper. All right, 0:43:13.440 --> 0:43:15.799 you guys have been waiting on the phone line, so 0:43:15.880 --> 0:43:19.000 let's get you started here. Nate is in Connecticut. What's 0:43:19.000 --> 0:43:19.640 going on, Nate? 0:43:21.239 --> 0:43:26.000 Not much, you guys. Hey, So my question for you 0:43:26.040 --> 0:43:29.640 guys is about the intensity during the training camp today 0:43:30.160 --> 0:43:33.719 compared to the other years. How would you say Mike 0:43:33.840 --> 0:43:37.359 vay Bo's approach to the intensity of this camp was 0:43:37.360 --> 0:43:40.000 was it fast paced or would you say it was 0:43:40.040 --> 0:43:44.480 more chilling and relaxed. And how would you say the 0:43:44.560 --> 0:43:50.000 intensity dictated the competitiveness, like if if it was high intensity, 0:43:50.520 --> 0:43:53.400 high competitiveness, and if it was like low intensity and 0:43:53.760 --> 0:43:55.560 it was just a chill practice. 0:43:56.320 --> 0:43:59.120 Thank you guys, No problem, Nate. I would say it's 0:43:59.200 --> 0:44:01.040 probably a better question to ask us in like a 0:44:01.080 --> 0:44:04.080 week from now, but I would I would say, just 0:44:04.120 --> 0:44:07.600 in general, going back to the spring, there's been an 0:44:07.600 --> 0:44:11.160 intensity to practice, like there's it feels a lot more 0:44:11.239 --> 0:44:12.680 and this is not a shot, but it feels a 0:44:12.680 --> 0:44:15.160 lot more like a Belichick practice where there's not as 0:44:15.239 --> 0:44:18.320 much wasted time in between plays, like it's play play 0:44:18.400 --> 0:44:22.000 play play. It's very game like in that's in that scenario. 0:44:22.040 --> 0:44:24.640 And also you know, just watching like them break huddles 0:44:24.640 --> 0:44:26.759 and stuff like Mike rabel is like the first he's 0:44:26.760 --> 0:44:29.760 sprinting across the fields like to the next thing. He's 0:44:29.440 --> 0:44:32.360 a he's a maniac. Like, the guy's an absolute maniac 0:44:32.400 --> 0:44:35.320 on the practice field. So he sets a tone to 0:44:36.200 --> 0:44:38.600 have a pace and have a tempo to practice. That's 0:44:38.840 --> 0:44:41.680 game like feel, So I would if I had to say, 0:44:41.760 --> 0:44:45.360 I I think it feels more maybe not endo Belichick 0:44:45.400 --> 0:44:49.240 and the Belichick got a little got a little soft frankly, 0:44:49.360 --> 0:44:51.200 like there was there is a little bit of like 0:44:51.719 --> 0:44:54.279 you know, trying to like not be as much of 0:44:54.320 --> 0:44:56.879 a hard o to the veteran players and things like that. 0:44:57.200 --> 0:45:00.319 But what I remember of like early Belichick for me, 0:45:00.600 --> 0:45:04.720 you know, like eighteen nineteen, that time, uh, that dis practice. 0:45:04.719 --> 0:45:06.239 These practices feel more like that. 0:45:06.680 --> 0:45:09.040 Yeah, last year it was a lot more just get 0:45:09.040 --> 0:45:12.480 into eleven's and go. I think there's more instructional periods 0:45:12.520 --> 0:45:15.000 this year. It is that game likes a good way 0:45:15.040 --> 0:45:16.279 to put it. And he kind of talked about it. 0:45:16.400 --> 0:45:18.520 For Abel did before practice today, like, you don't have 0:45:19.320 --> 0:45:21.520 all this time in between plays in a game, so 0:45:21.600 --> 0:45:24.560 I take it in practice when it comes to substitutions 0:45:24.560 --> 0:45:26.400 and breaking the huddle and getting lined up. I actually 0:45:26.400 --> 0:45:29.080 didn't see. I meant to look. I don't think they 0:45:29.120 --> 0:45:31.520 had a play clock set up out there. I'd like 0:45:31.680 --> 0:45:33.880 a big one, but I wouldn't be surprised if Rabel 0:45:34.719 --> 0:45:38.120 or maybe Stretch or you know, one of those other 0:45:38.200 --> 0:45:41.799 coaches or staffers is keeping one like on a stopwatch, 0:45:41.880 --> 0:45:44.040 right making sure they're out in forty seconds. 0:45:44.040 --> 0:45:48.799 There's absolutely an emphasis on making a game like where 0:45:48.920 --> 0:45:51.440 you run a play, yeah, and then you run immediately 0:45:51.480 --> 0:45:53.200 back by run a play. 0:45:53.280 --> 0:45:55.359 He talked about, you know, it's not all we're gonna 0:45:55.400 --> 0:45:57.239 run the play. We're gonna talk about what we liked, 0:45:57.239 --> 0:45:58.799 what we didn't like, that we're gonna run the next play. 0:45:58.800 --> 0:46:00.000 He said, Like you can do that all on the field, 0:46:00.520 --> 0:46:03.000 get out there and run the place. And that's they 0:46:03.040 --> 0:46:06.200 fit a lot in. Like it didn't. It didn't feel 0:46:06.239 --> 0:46:08.719 as like when they got done, I was we're already done. 0:46:08.760 --> 0:46:10.680 Like it felt like a lot longer than it was. 0:46:11.040 --> 0:46:11.239 Yeah. 0:46:11.280 --> 0:46:14.200 So it's right into the time that they had. 0:46:14.400 --> 0:46:17.960 I think it it increases by fifteen minutes until it 0:46:18.000 --> 0:46:18.960 gets to two hours. 0:46:19.160 --> 0:46:20.399 That sounds right at this point. 0:46:20.440 --> 0:46:22.640 I think you can actually technically might be able to 0:46:22.680 --> 0:46:24.680 go two hours and fifteen once we really get into 0:46:24.719 --> 0:46:28.360 the meta training camp. But right now today was ninety 0:46:28.600 --> 0:46:31.160 I think tomorrow they're permitted for one oh five and 0:46:31.200 --> 0:46:33.480 then like it kind of keeps going right from there. 0:46:33.680 --> 0:46:36.080 So it was a quick practice today, but the practices 0:46:36.160 --> 0:46:38.279 will get longer and obviously the pads will come on 0:46:38.360 --> 0:46:41.480 and they'll get tougher as well. Patty is an aguam. 0:46:41.560 --> 0:46:43.560 What's up Patty? 0:46:43.800 --> 0:46:44.239 What's up? 0:46:44.320 --> 0:46:44.600 Ken? 0:46:45.440 --> 0:46:46.200 How are we doing. 0:46:47.800 --> 0:46:48.480 Doing all right? 0:46:49.840 --> 0:46:50.439 First off? 0:46:50.520 --> 0:46:54.080 Non well sort of footballer Jason Alex site, I enjoy 0:46:54.200 --> 0:46:56.360 listening to you Sundays when you're on when you're on 0:46:56.400 --> 0:46:56.759 the Hub. 0:46:57.040 --> 0:46:58.160 Yeah, and thank you. 0:46:58.600 --> 0:47:00.600 One of the things that I love that you slip 0:47:00.640 --> 0:47:03.960 in as though subtle, it's always funny in Philadelphia references. 0:47:04.080 --> 0:47:06.200 I didn't know you were a fan, And yes, I 0:47:06.239 --> 0:47:06.799 love that show. 0:47:07.120 --> 0:47:08.640 Nothing on the New Seas, don't tell me anything on 0:47:08.680 --> 0:47:10.440 New Season. I haven't seen it yet, but yeah. 0:47:10.640 --> 0:47:11.799 Fan either. 0:47:12.000 --> 0:47:14.279 Yeah, that's one of like the few things that haven't 0:47:14.280 --> 0:47:15.080 actually a fun show. 0:47:15.760 --> 0:47:20.560 Yeah, all right, So just going back to football, the 0:47:20.600 --> 0:47:24.280 two guys I want to ask questions about was I'm sorry, 0:47:24.320 --> 0:47:27.080 I plead ignorance on this, was there anything wrong with 0:47:27.160 --> 0:47:29.879 Austin Hooper during the spring workouts that that made him 0:47:29.880 --> 0:47:30.640 fill on the list. 0:47:30.840 --> 0:47:35.200 And is there anything out there as to that's being 0:47:35.239 --> 0:47:37.359 reported as to why DL and Poke didn't practice today? 0:47:37.360 --> 0:47:38.719 And I'll take it out there, guys. 0:47:39.040 --> 0:47:43.000 Thanks Patty. So Austin Hooper undisclosed injury. I don't think 0:47:43.000 --> 0:47:46.160 anybody's reported the exact injury yet, but I do remember 0:47:46.280 --> 0:47:49.920 him tweaking something in the spring and uh and not 0:47:50.040 --> 0:47:52.960 practicing towards the end of the spring, or at least 0:47:53.000 --> 0:47:56.279 being extremely limited in the spring practices. So when he 0:47:56.360 --> 0:48:00.600 opened the camp on PUP I wasn't surprised. I do 0:48:00.719 --> 0:48:04.040 remember that happening. So I don't know what the injury is. 0:48:04.080 --> 0:48:06.280 I don't think there's a report out there on exactly 0:48:06.320 --> 0:48:09.040 what the injury is that he's dealing with, but no 0:48:09.160 --> 0:48:13.439 positive news I would say is if Rabeled yesterday did 0:48:13.480 --> 0:48:15.719 say that he didn't feel like anybody was going to 0:48:15.760 --> 0:48:19.240 miss like significant training camp time that was on a list, 0:48:19.880 --> 0:48:22.560 so hopefully that includes Austin Hooper, and it won't be 0:48:22.680 --> 0:48:26.000 long until he gets back out there. Because Hunter Henry 0:48:26.040 --> 0:48:28.120 in a nice catch today up the scene. He continues 0:48:28.160 --> 0:48:30.239 to be Hunter Henry, and we know Hooper can be 0:48:30.760 --> 0:48:34.480 a really steady and reliable backup. But after those two 0:48:34.520 --> 0:48:36.520 guys at tight End, Alex, I don't have a whole 0:48:36.520 --> 0:48:39.000 lot of confidence in anybody else in that room yet. Now, 0:48:39.000 --> 0:48:41.480 hopefully somebody makes some plays and starts to flash, or 0:48:41.840 --> 0:48:45.960 whether it's Westover, Jane Bell or one of the undrafted 0:48:46.000 --> 0:48:49.200 guys you know, Dupre or g Scott. But right now 0:48:49.560 --> 0:48:52.839 I feel like that no one's really taken that tight 0:48:52.960 --> 0:48:56.160 end three position by the Horns quite yet. Now it's 0:48:56.200 --> 0:48:58.320 way early, but it just hasn't happened. 0:48:58.400 --> 0:49:01.000 No, it'll it'll be. I mean, star Wars getting most 0:49:01.040 --> 0:49:03.280 of the run, so you figure he's probably the leader. 0:49:03.280 --> 0:49:05.640 There's still that lingering thing with CJ. Dupree. If they 0:49:05.680 --> 0:49:07.520 want a blocker, he fits, but he's gonna have to 0:49:07.520 --> 0:49:10.839 like show it right when pads come on. But they 0:49:11.120 --> 0:49:12.960 I still think there's a real chance they just keep 0:49:12.960 --> 0:49:15.600 two tight ends and then it's practice squad elevations for 0:49:15.640 --> 0:49:16.680 the first month or so of. 0:49:16.600 --> 0:49:19.480 The season and Lampia, of course, I can't forget. 0:49:19.600 --> 0:49:21.200 Well, he's a full I think he's just gonna play 0:49:21.200 --> 0:49:21.600 full back. 0:49:21.680 --> 0:49:23.680 Well he won't play full back, but yes, he will 0:49:23.719 --> 0:49:24.880 be on the I think he will be with the 0:49:24.880 --> 0:49:27.480 tight ends with Jalen Polk. It's the show. It's got 0:49:27.480 --> 0:49:30.360 to be the shoulder. I don't know what I prognosed. 0:49:30.360 --> 0:49:32.200 There's no reason to believe anything else. 0:49:32.200 --> 0:49:33.560 So when he was out there in the spring, like, 0:49:33.600 --> 0:49:37.200 he was running routes pretty full speed, so I can't 0:49:37.239 --> 0:49:38.400 imagine its lower body. 0:49:38.520 --> 0:49:38.680 Right. 0:49:39.200 --> 0:49:41.200 Then again, Diggs was running full speed and that was 0:49:41.200 --> 0:49:43.160 an a C L So maybe that doesn't try it. 0:49:43.239 --> 0:49:45.480 But like we didn't see I didn't see him wearing 0:49:45.480 --> 0:49:48.160 any sort of brace or sleeve or like outside of 0:49:48.160 --> 0:49:51.200 the ordinary. Right, So yeah, I would. 0:49:51.200 --> 0:49:54.960 I would speculate, obviously, but speculate shoulder. It's the shoulder, 0:49:55.040 --> 0:49:58.680 and no one knows. There's no timeline of when exactly 0:49:59.239 --> 0:50:03.360 he's gonna be and practicing again. All right, Randy is 0:50:03.360 --> 0:50:05.440 in Providence. What's up, Randy? 0:50:06.120 --> 0:50:07.480 Hey guys, how's it going to that? 0:50:07.880 --> 0:50:08.719 Hey? Good? 0:50:10.040 --> 0:50:12.200 So I had a couple of quench questions for you, 0:50:12.640 --> 0:50:15.000 real quick off the top, I was wondering how you 0:50:15.040 --> 0:50:19.239 guys thought the defensive coordinator. Terrell Williams looked like I 0:50:19.280 --> 0:50:22.600 know Rabel and a lot of his coaches really get 0:50:22.640 --> 0:50:26.759 actively involved, and I was wondering if he was that way. 0:50:26.920 --> 0:50:30.520 He was a little more kind of relaxed and not 0:50:30.640 --> 0:50:32.400 as not as active. 0:50:33.320 --> 0:50:35.520 Yeah, thanks for the call, Randy. So just to put 0:50:35.520 --> 0:50:39.080 some background on that, Terrell Williams is here, he's with 0:50:39.160 --> 0:50:41.880 the team. He was coaching today. He was not in 0:50:41.880 --> 0:50:45.160 the spring due to a health issue. Thankfully for him, 0:50:45.200 --> 0:50:48.320 it seems like that is he's been cleared and and 0:50:48.400 --> 0:50:51.200 you know, good to go, as Rabel joked yesterday, is 0:50:51.239 --> 0:50:55.279 not on pup or whatever, so that's good news. I 0:50:55.280 --> 0:50:59.640 don't think that Terrell Williams is as hands on of 0:50:59.680 --> 0:51:02.200 a coach as Mike Rabel is, just based off of 0:51:02.200 --> 0:51:05.480 what I've heard about Terrell Williams, Terrell Williams does seem 0:51:05.520 --> 0:51:08.480 like more of like to sit back and observe and 0:51:08.760 --> 0:51:11.560 make corrections later type of guy. So that's how I 0:51:11.600 --> 0:51:13.759 would say it. But it was one practice like I 0:51:13.760 --> 0:51:16.880 wouldn't put too much emphasis on that, but it was 0:51:16.880 --> 0:51:19.080 good to see him back out there. I just think 0:51:19.080 --> 0:51:22.319 in general, it's a little not a concern, but like 0:51:22.320 --> 0:51:26.320 a little bit of an unknown. What exactly his play 0:51:26.320 --> 0:51:29.360 calling style is going to be, how exactly they're going 0:51:29.440 --> 0:51:32.560 to handle third down? Like, are they gonna be blitz heavy? 0:51:32.600 --> 0:51:34.160 Are they gonna be are they going to be a 0:51:34.200 --> 0:51:36.840 coverage team? Like? Is he a drop eight guy? Is 0:51:36.880 --> 0:51:38.160 he a send the house guy right? 0:51:38.200 --> 0:51:38.279 Like? 0:51:38.480 --> 0:51:40.840 I don't know yet? Is he both? Is he a 0:51:40.840 --> 0:51:42.719 mix and match guy? Is he a two high guy? 0:51:43.239 --> 0:51:45.760 Single high guy? Like? These are all things that I 0:51:45.800 --> 0:51:48.240 am interested to see from Terrell Williams because he doesn't 0:51:48.239 --> 0:51:50.759 really have a whole lot of play calling experience in 0:51:50.800 --> 0:51:53.560 his coaching history. We know Rabel can call plays on 0:51:53.600 --> 0:51:56.799 the defense, but Terrell Williams hasn't done a ton and 0:51:56.920 --> 0:51:59.319 according to Rabel, it's gonna be Terrell Williams that's gonna 0:51:59.320 --> 0:52:01.920 call the defense. So we don't necessarily get that in 0:52:02.040 --> 0:52:05.520 practice per se. But the Terrell Williams of it. All 0:52:05.520 --> 0:52:07.680 the good news is that he's here and that he's 0:52:08.320 --> 0:52:12.480 actively coaching in practice, but it's still an unknown, a 0:52:12.480 --> 0:52:15.879 little bit of what exactly he's going how exactly he's 0:52:15.880 --> 0:52:17.360 going to coordinate this defense. 0:52:17.600 --> 0:52:19.560 Yeah, I agree with all that there's nothing to say, like, 0:52:19.640 --> 0:52:20.399 how does he look. 0:52:21.040 --> 0:52:22.960 It's not a player, so yeah, he can't. 0:52:22.719 --> 0:52:24.399 Really do that, especially this early. But it's good. 0:52:24.400 --> 0:52:24.759 He's back. 0:52:24.800 --> 0:52:25.560 It's good, he's back. 0:52:25.680 --> 0:52:28.960 Yeah, Yeah, it's good. All right. Emory is in Virginia. 0:52:29.000 --> 0:52:30.120 A lot of calls. I love it. 0:52:30.239 --> 0:52:34.680 What's up, Emory, Good afternoon, gentlemen, football as well. He 0:52:35.120 --> 0:52:40.560 excited about camp. A kid that I'm interested in is 0:52:40.680 --> 0:52:46.040 Alex Austin cornerback. Give me some positive feedback on that kid, please. 0:52:46.600 --> 0:52:49.120 Yeah, thanks for the call, Emory. Alex Austin is an 0:52:49.160 --> 0:52:53.680 interesting one because there's two I was on with our 0:52:53.719 --> 0:52:56.200 buddy Taylor and Mike had like on the ceiling this 0:52:56.320 --> 0:52:58.759 podcast the other day. We were talking about this, and 0:52:59.360 --> 0:53:03.160 there's a world where Alex Austin's body type fits the 0:53:03.200 --> 0:53:07.080 slot cornerback role. That that big slot that Rabel has 0:53:07.280 --> 0:53:10.160 said is going to be more prominent maybe in this 0:53:10.239 --> 0:53:12.440 defense than the Patriots have had it in the past. 0:53:13.040 --> 0:53:15.640 But I really have always viewed Alex Austen as like 0:53:15.640 --> 0:53:19.800 a rotational outside cordner where maybe you're in a matchup 0:53:19.840 --> 0:53:22.440 where you know their best receiver is really like a 0:53:22.520 --> 0:53:25.680 Z or an inside receiver. So Christian Gonzalez is playing 0:53:25.719 --> 0:53:28.600 more that week on the inside because he's shadowing somebody 0:53:28.640 --> 0:53:31.160 inside a lot. And so now you need like a 0:53:31.200 --> 0:53:34.960 third outside corner that has some size and that can 0:53:35.000 --> 0:53:39.120 hold up in a high volume outside role. And then 0:53:39.160 --> 0:53:40.839 you don't have to put like a five foot eight 0:53:40.920 --> 0:53:43.400 Marcus Jones out on the boundary right because you have 0:53:43.440 --> 0:53:45.839 a six foot Alex Austin to put out there. That's 0:53:45.880 --> 0:53:48.640 the way I view Alex Austin. We've talked about it 0:53:48.800 --> 0:53:51.080 a million times, like more like in that Jason mccordy 0:53:51.120 --> 0:53:54.680 type of archetype where it's like he's the third corner. 0:53:54.920 --> 0:53:57.120 He's gonna play a lot in certain matchups. He might 0:53:57.160 --> 0:53:59.200 not play as much in other matchups. But then there 0:53:59.200 --> 0:54:00.880 are other people that I kind of wonder if you 0:54:00.880 --> 0:54:02.280 could play a little bit in the slot. 0:54:02.400 --> 0:54:04.640 So I do both. I wonder if he can do 0:54:04.680 --> 0:54:06.319 both and just kind of be like a Swiss army 0:54:06.360 --> 0:54:08.279 knife backup. I mean, I was putting a lot on 0:54:08.320 --> 0:54:10.680 the kid, but you know, he's smart player. Think he 0:54:10.719 --> 0:54:13.840 could handle it. If you want something on him from today, 0:54:14.000 --> 0:54:15.480 I don't know if you want to put any stock 0:54:15.480 --> 0:54:17.479 and the guys that were leading the stretch lines early 0:54:17.520 --> 0:54:19.560 in practice. So this is a little different under Vrabel. 0:54:19.960 --> 0:54:24.080 It's like a high school style stretch where the team's 0:54:24.120 --> 0:54:26.160 kind of in a grid and the guys at the 0:54:26.160 --> 0:54:28.759 front by the coaches are backfacing the rest of the team. 0:54:28.800 --> 0:54:30.799 You know what I'm talking about. Yes, So the guys again, 0:54:30.840 --> 0:54:32.719 we'll see, maybe this will change day to day. And 0:54:32.760 --> 0:54:35.600 obviously these players are on slightly different standing as I 0:54:35.680 --> 0:54:38.240 go through this list, But the players leading the stretch 0:54:38.280 --> 0:54:41.000 lines today I had, so maybe I missed somebody, but 0:54:41.040 --> 0:54:44.120 I had Stephan in no particular order, well it was 0:54:44.160 --> 0:54:48.080 the order, just they were by position, Stefan Diggs, Antonio Gibson, 0:54:48.280 --> 0:54:52.960 Drake May, Morgan Moses, Jalen Hawkins, Robert Splane, Alex Austin 0:54:53.320 --> 0:54:57.440 and Jalen Hawkins twice, Christian Gonzalez, Garrett Bradbury City, So 0:54:58.000 --> 0:55:01.520 Hunter Henry and Truman Jones. So Alex Austin leading a 0:55:01.560 --> 0:55:03.719 stretch line. Make of that what you will. I don't 0:55:03.719 --> 0:55:05.319 know if that'll rotate or if that'll be the same 0:55:05.360 --> 0:55:07.680 thing every day. But I didn't notice him doing that, 0:55:08.120 --> 0:55:11.520 and so like him, Truman Jones City, so kind of 0:55:11.600 --> 0:55:14.320 different standing than some of those other guys. Hunter Henry 0:55:14.360 --> 0:55:17.440 Morgan Moses even step on Diggs. So I don't know 0:55:17.480 --> 0:55:20.359 what to make of that, but he was doing it. 0:55:20.520 --> 0:55:23.040 So I think the reason why I kind of stray 0:55:23.040 --> 0:55:26.359 away from him as a slocky for me particularly is 0:55:26.440 --> 0:55:29.840 just the strength to me of Alex Austin's game is 0:55:29.840 --> 0:55:31.440 playing the deep part of the field. Like I think 0:55:31.440 --> 0:55:33.680 he's really good at playing the deep ball. He's good 0:55:34.040 --> 0:55:36.640 at winning a down the field at catch points, making 0:55:36.680 --> 0:55:39.600 plays on the football down the field. I don't know 0:55:39.640 --> 0:55:42.440 if like he's he's like a little high like cut in. 0:55:42.480 --> 0:55:44.680 I don't know if he has that true like change 0:55:44.719 --> 0:55:48.000 of direction to handle like a jitterbug slot right, Like 0:55:48.160 --> 0:55:50.480 if you're going to be inside and you're going up 0:55:50.520 --> 0:55:53.359 against like a quicker you know, edel Midwelker mold type 0:55:53.400 --> 0:55:55.680 of receiver, I like, that's Marcus Jones. 0:55:55.680 --> 0:55:58.080 Well, so that's I think that that's probably the idea 0:55:58.239 --> 0:56:00.400 is you know, you would think that the coach staff 0:56:00.400 --> 0:56:04.080 they're gonna kind of tailor that. So against the Dolphins, right, 0:56:04.080 --> 0:56:05.560 you're gonna have Marcus Jones out there. But when you 0:56:05.560 --> 0:56:08.440 played the Bengals with Andre Yoshavas, right, who's that bigger, 0:56:08.480 --> 0:56:11.120 more physical guy. Because the other thing about Alex Austin, 0:56:11.120 --> 0:56:13.759 even if he's not that ideal cover fit, part of 0:56:13.800 --> 0:56:15.799 the reason you use a big slot is to be 0:56:15.800 --> 0:56:18.000 better against the run, which I think he can do 0:56:18.040 --> 0:56:21.279 because he's physical, right, he doesn't mind contact, So I 0:56:21.320 --> 0:56:24.399 think in certain matchups it makes sense. And that's why, 0:56:24.560 --> 0:56:27.839 Like he's your he's your backup in both spots. He's 0:56:27.880 --> 0:56:30.960 your backup boundary corner and he's your backup slot corner, 0:56:31.160 --> 0:56:32.680 so you can kind of use him as a matchup 0:56:32.680 --> 0:56:36.080 piece wherever you think he's best. Now, when guys get hurt, right, 0:56:36.120 --> 0:56:38.240 I don't know that. Let's say you don't have Marcus 0:56:38.280 --> 0:56:40.320 Jones for the Dolphins game. Now you might have to pivot. 0:56:40.520 --> 0:56:42.120 Now do you look at a guy like Marcellus Dial 0:56:42.239 --> 0:56:46.080 or even Isaiah Bolden. But as a matchup guy, I 0:56:46.080 --> 0:56:48.160 don't hate him in the big slot in some situations. 0:56:48.560 --> 0:56:51.560 So the last thing on Alex Austin that I wanted 0:56:51.560 --> 0:56:54.680 to say, which, of course now I'm totally forgetting what 0:56:54.719 --> 0:56:56.520 it was. So let's go to Eldred and I will 0:56:56.560 --> 0:57:00.279 remember it well. I you know, right far here, all right, Dred? 0:57:00.280 --> 0:57:01.480 What's up? How are we doing. 0:57:02.760 --> 0:57:02.920 There? 0:57:02.920 --> 0:57:04.680 He is in the truck love it. 0:57:04.760 --> 0:57:08.279 Hey tell us that y'all doing to day and I 0:57:08.320 --> 0:57:09.600 did take congratulations They have. 0:57:09.600 --> 0:57:11.600 Him right, thank you, yes, thank you? 0:57:12.280 --> 0:57:17.439 Yeah, yeah, okay, question my doune cast is a jun jow. 0:57:18.720 --> 0:57:20.400 I know you've been on a practice squad. 0:57:20.760 --> 0:57:22.800 I know he'd been doing this and that. But he 0:57:22.840 --> 0:57:24.520 said he did pretty good at Spring, but he didn't 0:57:24.520 --> 0:57:25.800 catch nothing gets made. 0:57:26.840 --> 0:57:32.240 Any can't you beat home without just any chant? 0:57:32.440 --> 0:57:34.760 I know he's thirty one, needs the guys hurt whatever, 0:57:34.880 --> 0:57:38.120 but it's a young movie I'm looking at. 0:57:38.880 --> 0:57:42.479 Yeah, that that's a fair question. Fair question. Eldred, thanks 0:57:42.520 --> 0:57:47.200 for the cause always and h We did a guess 0:57:47.280 --> 0:57:50.720 the picture thing yesterday where like we had our callers 0:57:50.760 --> 0:57:53.880 sending pictures of themselves. All of us got Eldrick correct. 0:57:53.960 --> 0:57:55.880 We all knewho Aldred was. So that's how you know 0:57:55.920 --> 0:57:58.840 how much of a religious caller Eldred is because we 0:57:58.880 --> 0:58:03.280 all recognized him. John Giles is. Paul Perrillo actually threw 0:58:03.280 --> 0:58:06.080 his name out earlier today on our show, which I 0:58:06.200 --> 0:58:08.840 was shocked at because Paul always likes to joke that 0:58:08.920 --> 0:58:10.960 like he doesn't really know the back of the roster 0:58:11.120 --> 0:58:13.040 very well, and all of a sudden he's just pulling 0:58:13.080 --> 0:58:17.880 out John Giles. But John Giles is I love like 0:58:17.960 --> 0:58:20.240 the size in the speed combo that he has, Like 0:58:20.320 --> 0:58:23.520 he's got he's got like that tool you know in 0:58:23.520 --> 0:58:25.800 his belt of He's a big dude that can move 0:58:25.840 --> 0:58:28.800 pretty well for his size. Yeah, But to me that 0:58:28.880 --> 0:58:31.200 projects to like a scout team role, right, where like 0:58:31.600 --> 0:58:33.800 he's gonna be a scout team X, he's gonna be 0:58:33.840 --> 0:58:36.000 somebody that you know, we're going up against his six 0:58:36.080 --> 0:58:38.640 foot three, like a DK Metcalf type, right, And this 0:58:38.800 --> 0:58:41.960 is like we have John Giles, who's obviously not DK Metcalf, 0:58:42.040 --> 0:58:44.720 but we can sort of mimic what DK Metcalf does 0:58:45.080 --> 0:58:48.280 with John Giles. That's how I view John Giles currently. 0:58:48.320 --> 0:58:50.440 Maybe he'll change my mind. I just don't know if 0:58:50.440 --> 0:58:52.600 i'd view John Giles as a roster guy. I kind 0:58:52.600 --> 0:58:53.880 of view him as a practice question. 0:58:53.960 --> 0:58:55.720 Yeah, I mean there's still some of his game that 0:58:55.760 --> 0:58:57.959 he's rounding out. He had a drop today. Like you said, 0:58:57.960 --> 0:58:59.800 he's a good player to have in the building, but 0:59:00.040 --> 0:59:01.400 probably more of a practice squad guy. 0:59:01.720 --> 0:59:03.360 Okay, So here's what I remember what I was gonna 0:59:03.360 --> 0:59:05.480 say about Alex Austin. One of the things that's been 0:59:05.520 --> 0:59:07.880 on my mind about this defense in general, and we're 0:59:07.920 --> 0:59:10.600 kind of we're opening up to anything you guys want 0:59:10.640 --> 0:59:14.440 to talk about. You can email us as well at 0:59:15.480 --> 0:59:18.360 it always changes. It's podcast at Patriots dot Com. You 0:59:18.360 --> 0:59:20.440 can email us there too if you want to get 0:59:20.440 --> 0:59:23.560 in on the emails we don't have. I feel like 0:59:23.600 --> 0:59:26.040 we've put a bow on today's practice. I don't have 0:59:26.160 --> 0:59:28.520 much more to add, but just as a general thought 0:59:28.920 --> 0:59:32.000 on the team moving forward, I've been thinking a lot 0:59:32.040 --> 0:59:34.640 about like how they're going to cover tight ends, And 0:59:35.280 --> 0:59:37.600 I don't know if Kyle Dugart or Jabriel Peppers has 0:59:37.640 --> 0:59:41.480 ever been great at covering tight ends in man coverage. 0:59:41.520 --> 0:59:43.520 Like not to pick on them. I think they're good 0:59:43.520 --> 0:59:45.800 in different things, but I don't know if that's an 0:59:45.840 --> 0:59:49.240 area of strength for either one of those guys. And nowadays, 0:59:49.280 --> 0:59:51.240 you know, you go through their schedule, even week one, 0:59:51.520 --> 0:59:53.600 right out of the shoot, you're gonna have brock powers 0:59:53.760 --> 0:59:57.880 right coming here. There's these tight ends that are really 0:59:58.000 --> 1:00:01.040 just jumpbo receivers, Like they're just big, slow brought Bowers 1:00:01.080 --> 1:00:03.760 as a receiver, like brop Owers is not gronk, like 1:00:03.800 --> 1:00:05.920 he's not putting his hand in the dirt and blocking 1:00:05.920 --> 1:00:07.880 people at a high level. He's a receiver. He's a 1:00:07.920 --> 1:00:11.080 really good one. Obviously, they have guys like Kinkaid and 1:00:11.120 --> 1:00:13.440 Buffalo who they're gonna see twice a year, like another 1:00:13.480 --> 1:00:15.920 one of those types of guys. I wonder if some 1:00:16.000 --> 1:00:18.760 of these corners are in the mix in terms of 1:00:18.800 --> 1:00:21.320 covering some tight ends as well. Like Alex Austin seems 1:00:21.360 --> 1:00:24.520 like a guy it's got some size, got some coverage ability. 1:00:24.840 --> 1:00:28.160 Maybe in certain matchups if you're playing a more receiving 1:00:28.320 --> 1:00:31.360 tight end like a brock Ours, maybe it's it's a 1:00:31.360 --> 1:00:33.720 guy like Alex Austin. We've seen them do this in 1:00:33.760 --> 1:00:36.560 the Belichick years in the past. Gilmour had a couple 1:00:36.560 --> 1:00:38.640 of games against like high level tight ends that he 1:00:38.640 --> 1:00:41.360 would take the tight end. I remember J C. Jackson 1:00:41.360 --> 1:00:43.640 did it in the AFC Championship game for a while 1:00:43.680 --> 1:00:47.000 against Travis Kelce for a good part of that game. 1:00:47.320 --> 1:00:50.680 So maybe that's something that they could explore with Alex Austin. 1:00:51.320 --> 1:00:55.040 Maybe it's you know, Austin. Isaiah Bolden's another one there. 1:00:55.400 --> 1:00:58.040 Maybe it's Carlton Davis like covering some tight ends too, 1:00:58.080 --> 1:00:59.480 as a guy that's a little bit bigger and a 1:00:59.480 --> 1:01:02.000 little bit more physical. I just don't know exactly how 1:01:02.000 --> 1:01:03.480 they're gonna do it because it was so easy to 1:01:03.480 --> 1:01:06.240 predict how a Belichick defense was going to handle a 1:01:06.280 --> 1:01:10.040 tight end. You know, that could really impact the game. 1:01:11.560 --> 1:01:13.600 How do you feel about them covering tight ends and 1:01:13.680 --> 1:01:15.200 like how they might go about that. 1:01:16.160 --> 1:01:20.400 So, Alex Austin's won and I was gonna bring that 1:01:20.480 --> 1:01:22.200 up before when we were talking about It's actually funny 1:01:22.200 --> 1:01:24.600 you said that. I also think Craig Woodson is probably 1:01:24.640 --> 1:01:25.920 guy that's in the mix there. He seemed to have 1:01:26.000 --> 1:01:28.640 some success with that in spring, had some success that 1:01:28.640 --> 1:01:31.560 it in college, especially like Marcus Apps was back at 1:01:31.600 --> 1:01:33.880 it today. Jalen Hawkins remains involved. So if those are 1:01:33.920 --> 1:01:35.600 your deep safeties, look I get it now, you're putting 1:01:35.600 --> 1:01:38.120 Ford safeties on the field. These guys aren't always gonna 1:01:38.120 --> 1:01:39.600 be on the field at the same time. Or maybe 1:01:39.600 --> 1:01:41.520 this is instead of the slot corner or whatever. Right 1:01:41.560 --> 1:01:43.680 you're with that big nickel is a big nickel safety. 1:01:44.640 --> 1:01:46.360 I'm gonna be interested to see Craig Woodson once we 1:01:46.400 --> 1:01:49.000 get into one on ones working on Hunter Henry and 1:01:49.040 --> 1:01:52.040 hopefully Austin Hooper's back, and how he does against those guys, 1:01:52.040 --> 1:01:53.760 because I think he's got a pretty good profile for it. 1:01:53.760 --> 1:01:54.920 You just got to see if he can do it. 1:01:55.280 --> 1:01:57.760 Yeah, I wonder if some of those corners get in 1:01:57.760 --> 1:02:00.480 that mix, because Craig Woodson, I agree, could do some 1:02:00.520 --> 1:02:01.760 of that thing. That stuff. 1:02:01.800 --> 1:02:02.040 Now. 1:02:02.680 --> 1:02:04.560 I watched some of his tape covering tight ends in 1:02:04.600 --> 1:02:07.040 college when they drafted him, like the Syracuse game against 1:02:07.760 --> 1:02:10.439 Gats and the tight end like but Gatson, it didn't 1:02:10.480 --> 1:02:10.920 go so well. 1:02:10.960 --> 1:02:13.680 So yeah, I wouldn't put him on like a brock 1:02:13.720 --> 1:02:16.360 Bowers type, and that Gats is obviously not brock Bowers. 1:02:16.360 --> 1:02:18.400 But the idea that Gatson literally was a wide receiver 1:02:18.600 --> 1:02:21.400 right until I think last year, but the more traditional 1:02:21.480 --> 1:02:23.400 inline guys I think he could he might be able 1:02:23.440 --> 1:02:23.800 to hang with. 1:02:24.040 --> 1:02:26.840 Yeah, I could see that, but maybe it's one of 1:02:26.840 --> 1:02:29.280 those corners. The other thing that I've been randomly thinking 1:02:29.280 --> 1:02:31.240 about because I just randomly think about these types of 1:02:31.240 --> 1:02:34.680 things sometimes. Although I tried not to on my honeymoon. 1:02:34.720 --> 1:02:35.479 Don't worry all. 1:02:35.440 --> 1:02:37.600 Right, that was the one time and I was not 1:02:37.600 --> 1:02:40.600 worried in eight years that I probably that I think 1:02:40.600 --> 1:02:43.680 I managed to not think about football twenty four to seven. 1:02:43.760 --> 1:02:46.720 But the one other thing that I've been thinking a 1:02:46.720 --> 1:02:52.920 lot about Kean White, Christian Barmore, Milton Williams. 1:02:53.920 --> 1:02:55.600 I can see how you can get all three of 1:02:55.640 --> 1:02:58.200 those guys on in like more of like a base 1:02:58.320 --> 1:03:00.360 Nickel type of look, like a four down on look 1:03:00.440 --> 1:03:04.200 with all three of those guys, but at the same time. Ideally, 1:03:04.760 --> 1:03:08.160 especially on third down, all three of those guys are 1:03:08.280 --> 1:03:10.840 best rushing over the guards right like they like all 1:03:10.880 --> 1:03:14.200 three of them are guys that you want as interior 1:03:14.440 --> 1:03:18.000 pocket pushers, like pass rushers on the inside, especially Keon 1:03:18.160 --> 1:03:20.520 Like I think Millon Williams and Barmore fit that too. 1:03:20.560 --> 1:03:23.240 But just my I guess where I'm going with this, 1:03:23.880 --> 1:03:25.840 Like how do you get all three of those guys 1:03:25.880 --> 1:03:29.320 in in their sweet spot at the same time, and 1:03:29.400 --> 1:03:31.880 how do they go about doing that? How does Terrell 1:03:31.920 --> 1:03:34.920 Williams go about doing that? Is going to be an 1:03:34.960 --> 1:03:38.280 interesting thing because all three of those guys I think 1:03:38.280 --> 1:03:40.200 are too good to take off the field on third down. 1:03:40.240 --> 1:03:41.960 Like you want all three of those guys rushing on 1:03:42.000 --> 1:03:44.200 third down. But does that mean that one of those 1:03:44.240 --> 1:03:47.800 guys is rushing kind of not at their best spot, 1:03:47.960 --> 1:03:49.760 Like maybe it's Kean White and he just has to 1:03:49.840 --> 1:03:52.560 rush over the tackle or outside the tackle, even though 1:03:52.560 --> 1:03:56.200 he's not really naturally bendy or like meant to do that. 1:03:56.880 --> 1:03:58.840 It's an interesting problem to have, Like it's not even 1:03:58.840 --> 1:04:01.360 a problem, it's just kind of like it's a puzzle 1:04:01.720 --> 1:04:04.720 of trying to fit that all together. I'm really curious 1:04:04.920 --> 1:04:06.960 of what their fronts look like because I think some 1:04:07.000 --> 1:04:10.560 of their fronds when it comes to like there's no rules, right, 1:04:10.720 --> 1:04:12.720 you can do whatever you want. I think some of 1:04:12.760 --> 1:04:14.840 their friends, not that they're going to reinvent the wheel, 1:04:14.880 --> 1:04:17.760 but they might be kind of exotically. It might be 1:04:17.800 --> 1:04:19.919 kind of fun, like to just chart them and look 1:04:19.960 --> 1:04:21.640 at them and see what they do week to week 1:04:21.960 --> 1:04:25.160 in terms of that, because they have three guys that 1:04:25.320 --> 1:04:29.600 ideally are from zero to three technique on third down, 1:04:30.120 --> 1:04:33.680 whether you know Williams, bar More, Keon White, and how 1:04:33.680 --> 1:04:35.680 do they manage to get all three of them on 1:04:35.720 --> 1:04:38.640 the field all at once on third down is gonna 1:04:38.680 --> 1:04:40.480 be like a fun little wrinkle. It's kind of like 1:04:40.480 --> 1:04:44.400 a challenge, honestly for the coaching staff. Do you see 1:04:44.400 --> 1:04:47.840 what I'm saying? Because it's kind of redundant, right, Like 1:04:47.880 --> 1:04:51.080 all three of those guys together are a little bit 1:04:51.120 --> 1:04:52.560 redundant in some respects. 1:04:52.640 --> 1:04:54.040 Yeah, but like you said, I think that works in 1:04:54.040 --> 1:04:56.280 this defense because there's no rules. It's kind of just 1:04:56.320 --> 1:04:58.400 pin your ears back and going. At that point, I 1:04:58.400 --> 1:05:01.200 think you're looking at individual ability more than like the 1:05:01.240 --> 1:05:03.360 fit there is who's behind them. You want to have 1:05:03.360 --> 1:05:05.160 a linebacker that fits with them. If those two guys 1:05:05.200 --> 1:05:06.600 can get home, those three guys can get home, or 1:05:06.640 --> 1:05:08.320 four guys can get home, it doesn't really matter who 1:05:08.320 --> 1:05:10.040 does it. As long as there's somebody behind them, we 1:05:10.080 --> 1:05:12.280 can clean up. It's just look, we're all gonna have 1:05:12.320 --> 1:05:13.880 to adjust. This is all new. 1:05:14.160 --> 1:05:14.640 It's fun. 1:05:14.720 --> 1:05:16.520 It's very I like it. I like it. It's good. 1:05:16.560 --> 1:05:18.200 So I was it's funny. I was like explaining it 1:05:18.200 --> 1:05:21.040 to my brother the other day, and so I was like, yes, 1:05:21.160 --> 1:05:23.480 it's like more aggressive and there's less about containing. He's like, oh, 1:05:23.480 --> 1:05:25.160 so guys are gonna get blown by I'm like, no, 1:05:25.680 --> 1:05:28.640 that's not how Like, it's just different. It's not better 1:05:28.760 --> 1:05:32.840 or worse. It's a different philosophy. This thing executed at 1:05:32.880 --> 1:05:35.560 a high level is better than that thing executed at 1:05:35.600 --> 1:05:37.160 a low level. That thing at a high level is 1:05:37.160 --> 1:05:39.000 better than this at a low level. It's just do 1:05:39.040 --> 1:05:41.120 you have the personnel to fit it and can you 1:05:41.200 --> 1:05:44.120 execute it? And they overhaul the personnel this offseason and 1:05:44.240 --> 1:05:46.200 bar Moore is just so good he can fit anything. 1:05:46.520 --> 1:05:49.320 So it's gonna be interesting to see how it goes. 1:05:49.360 --> 1:05:51.160 But yeah, it's gonna be an adjustment period because again 1:05:51.200 --> 1:05:53.840 it's not you're not looking all right, well, this guy's 1:05:53.880 --> 1:05:56.480 gonna two gap and then this guy's gonna occupy the edge. 1:05:56.600 --> 1:05:59.720 Just go. It's just get out of your stance and go. 1:06:00.480 --> 1:06:03.480 And you're more worried about the linebacker handling the finer points, 1:06:03.560 --> 1:06:06.000 whereas in the other one it was those guys having 1:06:06.000 --> 1:06:08.440 the details and you're telling the linebacker just go, just 1:06:08.480 --> 1:06:11.240 pick a hole and go and get downhill and clog 1:06:11.280 --> 1:06:14.560 it up. It's it's basically the same. It's just inverted. 1:06:14.760 --> 1:06:15.880 The whole thing's just inverted. 1:06:16.240 --> 1:06:21.320 So I do wonder with Barmore. Yeah, there's some guys like, 1:06:21.520 --> 1:06:24.200 you know, not to put him on this expectation, but. 1:06:24.240 --> 1:06:26.360 Like Chris Jones, Yeah, with the Chiefs. 1:06:26.480 --> 1:06:29.040 Chris Jones plays a lot of defensive end for Kansas City. 1:06:29.240 --> 1:06:33.960 He's not a pure tackle tackle. Yeah, he's like a 1:06:34.040 --> 1:06:36.480 hybrid guy that plays a lot outside or over the 1:06:36.480 --> 1:06:39.600 tackle is like a five technique or whatever. I could 1:06:39.640 --> 1:06:41.040 see bar Moore evolving into that. 1:06:41.040 --> 1:06:42.400 I see Milli Williams doing that too. 1:06:42.600 --> 1:06:44.880 See I think Millon Williams, like I could see him 1:06:44.920 --> 1:06:46.960 doing it because he's talented. He could probably do anything. 1:06:47.200 --> 1:06:48.920 But like, I think they really want to put Millon 1:06:48.960 --> 1:06:52.720 Williams at his natural position at the three technique Jeffrey 1:06:52.760 --> 1:06:54.280 Simmons style and just let him eat well. 1:06:54.320 --> 1:06:57.080 The other thing about it is when you're in this setup, 1:06:57.200 --> 1:07:00.320 when you're in a three four, even if you're playing end, 1:07:01.200 --> 1:07:04.160 you might be a three four end lined up in 1:07:04.240 --> 1:07:07.560 a spot where a four to three tackle would be. 1:07:08.120 --> 1:07:10.760 So Christian Barmber can be an end in that he's 1:07:10.840 --> 1:07:14.840 uncovered on the defensive line, but they could do that 1:07:14.880 --> 1:07:17.320 from a narrow split and like he's still taking on 1:07:17.440 --> 1:07:20.120 at guards outside shoulder, which he might be doing as 1:07:20.120 --> 1:07:22.480 a tackle if they're playing the end out wide in 1:07:22.520 --> 1:07:26.240 a four to three, So you can mimic some of 1:07:26.240 --> 1:07:29.360 that stuff. I think it's kind of the break outside 1:07:29.400 --> 1:07:30.200 the tackle, right. 1:07:30.640 --> 1:07:33.480 Yeah, we talk about techniques like five techniques straight up 1:07:33.520 --> 1:07:36.960 over the tackle. Four IY is like inside shaded. 1:07:36.760 --> 1:07:38.760 Like how much are you playing even if he's playing end, 1:07:38.800 --> 1:07:40.680 is he playing end wider than a five tech. 1:07:40.880 --> 1:07:42.920 No, but I think he might play a lot more 1:07:42.920 --> 1:07:43.919 of that four I five. 1:07:44.000 --> 1:07:47.000 But there are times whereas a defensive tackle, you're playing 1:07:47.000 --> 1:07:49.240 four in a four to three, not a three four, 1:07:49.240 --> 1:07:51.240 but in a four to three. Uh, because you're gonna 1:07:51.240 --> 1:07:53.520 put Maybe because there I'm going on mixing defenses here, 1:07:53.560 --> 1:07:55.160 but like you're gonna put Ninkovic out in a five 1:07:55.240 --> 1:07:58.160 wide right, and he's the defensive end. You're gonna put 1:07:58.200 --> 1:08:00.000 him all the way out there. So maybe you're your defense. 1:08:00.040 --> 1:08:02.720 It's a tackle right, Vince will Fork, that's your nose. 1:08:03.120 --> 1:08:05.480 You're not gonna put. And I don't know why I'm 1:08:05.520 --> 1:08:07.240 using an old defense to do this with bar Moore. 1:08:08.400 --> 1:08:10.200 I'm just thinking the players who played the roles. Yeah, 1:08:10.240 --> 1:08:13.240 you're not gonna put bar more you know, half a 1:08:13.280 --> 1:08:15.800 gap over from the nose. That just doesn't make any sense. 1:08:16.280 --> 1:08:18.760 So some of it still translates. 1:08:19.000 --> 1:08:23.360 What it really comes down to is not like we 1:08:23.360 --> 1:08:24.880 don't have to get caught up in the minutia of 1:08:24.920 --> 1:08:27.679 the techniques. It's the gaps right, like are you playing 1:08:27.960 --> 1:08:30.320 the A the B or you're playing the edge right? Like, 1:08:30.400 --> 1:08:33.080 which what are you doing? Gap wise? So you can 1:08:33.240 --> 1:08:35.960 line up bar More in a couple of different spots, 1:08:35.960 --> 1:08:39.240 and technically he still has the B gap right, whether 1:08:39.400 --> 1:08:42.320 he's a three technique, whether he's a four, I, whether 1:08:42.360 --> 1:08:45.200 he's a five up over the tackle like five's usually 1:08:45.240 --> 1:08:47.360 are more of like a two gapping role, like you're 1:08:47.400 --> 1:08:50.760 playing both of it, and that's what the four. 1:08:51.120 --> 1:08:54.559 And he has a linebacker over his shoulder, he probably 1:08:54.640 --> 1:08:56.320 isn't gonna be responsible for the edge. It's gonna be 1:08:56.360 --> 1:08:58.360 that linebacker unless they're having like a twist or something. 1:08:58.439 --> 1:09:01.040 Right, So I've meant to see what they do with 1:09:01.120 --> 1:09:02.840 bar Moore because I think that his role is going 1:09:02.920 --> 1:09:05.080 to be pretty versatile in terms of kicking out a 1:09:05.120 --> 1:09:08.360 little bit further to free up opportunities for key On 1:09:08.439 --> 1:09:10.040 White to rush a little bit more inside. 1:09:10.080 --> 1:09:11.639 Well, then there's a key. I think key On White's 1:09:11.680 --> 1:09:13.439 the real chess piece. I can't white and play anymore. 1:09:13.520 --> 1:09:16.720 Yeah, he has played everywhere. I assume that that's going 1:09:16.760 --> 1:09:19.800 to continue as well. Alex's bind the glass. We have 1:09:19.840 --> 1:09:22.680 any emails, I feel like we don't have it. We 1:09:22.720 --> 1:09:24.000 don't have any emails. 1:09:24.200 --> 1:09:26.519 I am shocked by They just want to talk about practice. 1:09:26.560 --> 1:09:28.519 They just want us to talk about practice. All right, Well, 1:09:28.520 --> 1:09:33.519 I'm going to talk about YouTube. I noticed that there's 1:09:33.560 --> 1:09:36.120 no emails, and I am so surprised. I usually we 1:09:36.640 --> 1:09:39.559 get tons of emails. What's going on out there? All right? 1:09:39.720 --> 1:09:42.479 Based right here in New England. Brent workwhere Makes You Work, 1:09:42.880 --> 1:09:45.200 makes work boots in apparel that are built for the 1:09:45.280 --> 1:09:48.760 job site. Their gear is comfortable, durable and named after 1:09:48.800 --> 1:09:51.559 the real workers in the trades that help design it. 1:09:51.840 --> 1:09:53.960 You can even try brunt out on the job and 1:09:54.000 --> 1:09:56.360 if it doesn't blow you away, they let you send 1:09:56.360 --> 1:09:58.880 it back. Save ten dollars on your first order at 1:09:58.880 --> 1:10:02.960 Brentworkwear dot com forward slash pats or with coupon code 1:10:03.160 --> 1:10:08.240 pa ts and you know I'm gonna for old times sake. 1:10:08.840 --> 1:10:11.479 Hey Patriots fans, if you want to see Toyota's best offers, 1:10:11.479 --> 1:10:14.559 including those nazeen on TV, go to buy a Toyota 1:10:14.600 --> 1:10:17.559 dot Com is Toyota's official website for deals from the 1:10:17.600 --> 1:10:21.200 official vehicle of the New England Patriots, Toyota Let's go places. 1:10:21.240 --> 1:10:22.880 I feel like I haven't read that one in a while, 1:10:22.920 --> 1:10:23.400 so I want to. 1:10:23.439 --> 1:10:25.720 I mean, we haven't been You guys got a show 1:10:25.760 --> 1:10:27.840 two weeks ago, but that was pre recorded we haven't 1:10:27.880 --> 1:10:28.920 done a show in like three weeks. 1:10:28.960 --> 1:10:31.120 I know it's been a while. All right, Colleen is 1:10:31.160 --> 1:10:32.400 in Texas. What's up colleing? 1:10:34.320 --> 1:10:34.840 Hey guys. 1:10:34.880 --> 1:10:39.280 So I was wondering about the pup list. So if 1:10:39.400 --> 1:10:43.000 Jalen Polk wasn't able to perform, why wouldn't he be 1:10:43.120 --> 1:10:45.360 on that list? I guess, like, is there more to 1:10:45.479 --> 1:10:48.160 it than that? And thanks for taking my call, No 1:10:48.200 --> 1:10:48.679 problem calling. 1:10:48.760 --> 1:10:49.439 It's a great question. 1:10:49.600 --> 1:10:51.160 That's that's question. 1:10:51.360 --> 1:10:53.759 It's a very fair question. The pup list is made 1:10:53.840 --> 1:10:58.000 for players like Jalen Polk, guys that experienced football injuries 1:10:58.920 --> 1:11:01.880 in a football game or football practice at the facility 1:11:02.360 --> 1:11:05.720 and are not able to practice. So I couldn't tell 1:11:05.720 --> 1:11:08.599 you why they didn't place them on pup I don't know. 1:11:08.680 --> 1:11:09.479 I have no idea. 1:11:09.560 --> 1:11:11.719 And you can activate him anytime you I mean until 1:11:11.720 --> 1:11:13.759 the season starts, you can activate him any time you want. 1:11:13.800 --> 1:11:18.320 Like was on it and then he was off the 1:11:18.360 --> 1:11:21.720 bit between him getting placed in the first practice, he 1:11:21.760 --> 1:11:23.800 was taken off. So no, that's a good question. I 1:11:23.840 --> 1:11:26.559 was a little surprised that Polk wasn't on there that 1:11:26.640 --> 1:11:28.840 if he can't participate, unless they thought he was going 1:11:28.880 --> 1:11:31.080 to be able to participate today and something happened. 1:11:32.040 --> 1:11:35.760 Yeah. I don't really understand that one either, So we'll 1:11:35.800 --> 1:11:39.080 see what goes on with him tomorrow. Or like you said, 1:11:39.120 --> 1:11:41.400 maybe it was they anticipated that he was going to 1:11:41.439 --> 1:11:43.320 be a good to go and they got out there 1:11:43.439 --> 1:11:45.960 practice and he just wasn't ready. I have no idea. 1:11:46.560 --> 1:11:50.000 It is an interesting thing I would also want to 1:11:50.040 --> 1:11:52.200 put out there. I want to talk a little bit 1:11:52.240 --> 1:11:53.840 more about the left guard position now. I have some 1:11:53.880 --> 1:11:55.519 emails coming in and we can get to those as well. 1:11:55.520 --> 1:11:58.439 But we mentioned Cole Strange was with the top unit 1:11:58.479 --> 1:12:00.880 for most of it. We did see Kayden Wallace a 1:12:00.920 --> 1:12:02.880 little bit at left guard. We basically saw everybody a 1:12:02.920 --> 1:12:04.920 little bit at left guard, like Caden. And I don't 1:12:04.920 --> 1:12:06.320 mean with the top group, but I just mean in 1:12:06.360 --> 1:12:11.000 general within practice. So cole Strange right now has got 1:12:11.000 --> 1:12:13.800 the inside track. I think that he's gonna think you 1:12:13.840 --> 1:12:15.639 said it earlier, like something's gonna have to go wrong 1:12:15.720 --> 1:12:18.200 probably for Cole Strange shall lose that job, like he's 1:12:18.200 --> 1:12:22.599 gonna ye, his performance is going to have to really suffer. 1:12:22.680 --> 1:12:26.280 So Cole Strange, Caden Wallace was in there as well, 1:12:26.280 --> 1:12:29.400 which is interesting. I did see Jared Wilson take a 1:12:29.439 --> 1:12:32.519 few reps there at left guard, and Leydon Robinson took 1:12:32.520 --> 1:12:35.480 a few as well. Now this isn't just with Drake, 1:12:35.920 --> 1:12:40.160 with all the different quarterbacks, but I still remain interested 1:12:40.200 --> 1:12:44.599 in the Kayden Wallace experiment of moving him inside. But 1:12:44.640 --> 1:12:46.840 it does really feel like left guard is is Cole 1:12:46.880 --> 1:12:47.840 Strange's job to lose. 1:12:48.600 --> 1:12:51.000 That feels more secure than center right now. Which again 1:12:51.080 --> 1:12:52.320 I was the one saying there was going to be 1:12:52.400 --> 1:12:56.000 a center battle, but I didn't think it was gonna 1:12:56.040 --> 1:12:56.960 be this quick, this much. 1:12:57.360 --> 1:13:01.280 Yeah, yeah, it's an interesting thing. All right, Let's get 1:13:01.280 --> 1:13:04.440 to some of these emails. So Zach is in South Carolina. 1:13:04.560 --> 1:13:07.400 He emails in he says, where does mac Collins fit 1:13:07.479 --> 1:13:10.000 with this offense? Along with to Von Diggs and Hunter Henry, 1:13:10.040 --> 1:13:12.720 I feel like his name isn't mentioned as much. He 1:13:12.800 --> 1:13:15.439 seems like you'd be a great playmaker. Along with his 1:13:15.479 --> 1:13:17.920 costumes he wears every Sunday. He does wear some great 1:13:18.200 --> 1:13:23.400 fits every Sunday. So Matt Collins, I actually really think 1:13:23.880 --> 1:13:28.160 MATC Collins. Maybe I have Matt Collins like more closely 1:13:28.320 --> 1:13:30.240 to a lock than other people do, I guess is 1:13:30.240 --> 1:13:32.200 the best way to put it. Yeah, I feel like 1:13:32.240 --> 1:13:33.880 some people have thrown him out there as like a 1:13:33.880 --> 1:13:36.760 surprise cut candidate. The reason why Zach he hasn't been 1:13:36.760 --> 1:13:39.040 talked about is because he's not practicing. Like it's hard 1:13:39.040 --> 1:13:41.160 to talk about a guy that's not practicing. But I 1:13:41.320 --> 1:13:44.120 just look at MATC. Collins as like it's just the 1:13:44.280 --> 1:13:48.839 overall role on the team. A guy that's a veteran 1:13:49.520 --> 1:13:52.080 is known as a leader, is known as a guy 1:13:52.080 --> 1:13:55.280 that's a good example for younger guys that room needed, 1:13:55.360 --> 1:13:57.519 like a culture shit. Ye, And he's like a culture 1:13:57.640 --> 1:13:57.960 kind of. 1:13:57.920 --> 1:14:01.559 Guy that he can play in the kick game. They 1:14:01.560 --> 1:14:04.439 gave him just enough money where it's worth mentioning. They 1:14:04.439 --> 1:14:06.519 gave him enough money that like if they walked away, 1:14:07.080 --> 1:14:08.960 wouldn't be the end of the world, would be notable. 1:14:09.439 --> 1:14:09.639 Yeah. 1:14:09.640 --> 1:14:13.200 I think it's like four million dollars, right, I think 1:14:13.200 --> 1:14:16.160 he's gonna be here. Uh kind of related on YouTube, Bunts, 1:14:16.160 --> 1:14:19.200 it not Brunson, So don't worry Buns. And would you 1:14:19.240 --> 1:14:21.720 be surprised if Baker makes the team over Polk. 1:14:22.960 --> 1:14:29.680 Yes, But I think with Javon Baker, the issue for 1:14:29.800 --> 1:14:33.000 him is like is he at best like the third 1:14:33.080 --> 1:14:36.920 string X right now? Because like if you consider Stefon 1:14:37.000 --> 1:14:39.160 Diggs and Kyle Williams are probably gonna play a little 1:14:39.160 --> 1:14:42.439 bit in that spot, you know, at least split it 1:14:42.560 --> 1:14:44.639 or whatever you want to call it. They're gonna play 1:14:44.640 --> 1:14:47.439 a little bit there. Kayshan Boody's gonna play, I think 1:14:47.560 --> 1:14:49.439 is gonna make the team, and he's gonna play there, 1:14:49.680 --> 1:14:51.760 or at least as ahead of Javon Baker from making 1:14:51.760 --> 1:14:54.599 the team right now. So Javon Baker, it's just more 1:14:55.600 --> 1:14:57.479 in a lot of ways, I just feel like there's 1:14:58.040 --> 1:15:00.320 a lot of there's bodies in front of him, as 1:15:00.360 --> 1:15:02.320 well as the fact that he was only a fourth 1:15:02.360 --> 1:15:04.760 round pick and had a second round pick, and he 1:15:04.840 --> 1:15:07.080 still has some of the similar issues in terms of 1:15:07.160 --> 1:15:09.600 performance that we've seen out of Jale and Polk. So 1:15:09.920 --> 1:15:11.640 I still feel like I give Polk a little bit 1:15:11.640 --> 1:15:12.720 of of an edge there. 1:15:12.800 --> 1:15:14.559 I still think with Polk there's a chance he maybe 1:15:14.600 --> 1:15:16.720 opens on ir if he's not fully back or so 1:15:16.800 --> 1:15:19.240 what they could do. So, I don't remember the last 1:15:19.280 --> 1:15:20.439 time this happened. I know you can do it, but 1:15:20.479 --> 1:15:22.200 I remember the last time it happened with the Patriots. 1:15:22.439 --> 1:15:27.240 So you're ineligible for pup once you practice Polk technically 1:15:27.280 --> 1:15:30.400 didn't practice today? Could they put him on pup tomorrow? 1:15:33.080 --> 1:15:36.280 I guess they wanted to if he didn't officially practice, 1:15:36.280 --> 1:15:39.559 and I suppose, yeah, you can't. Only the rules is 1:15:39.560 --> 1:15:41.520 you can't go on people once you've actually. 1:15:41.200 --> 1:15:43.479 So I remember Barmore last year, like they couldn't put 1:15:43.520 --> 1:15:48.400 him on pup because he stretched once, right, So I did, 1:15:48.439 --> 1:15:50.479 because then you save the IR spot, like I if 1:15:50.560 --> 1:15:55.240 Polk so behind, I because I Diggs. We talked about 1:15:55.240 --> 1:15:56.640 like where he was in the spring to where he 1:15:56.720 --> 1:16:00.160 is now, he made progress. Polk doesn't feel like or 1:16:00.200 --> 1:16:01.679 I mean, this is what he was limited in the spring. 1:16:01.680 --> 1:16:03.200 He didn't do any real team drills in the spring. 1:16:03.280 --> 1:16:04.960 He's not doing it now. There is no progress there. 1:16:05.120 --> 1:16:08.200 Maybe there's progress within that, but it's not a lot. 1:16:08.720 --> 1:16:10.439 Do they put him on pup or do they wait 1:16:10.479 --> 1:16:12.000 till the end? It can't put him on IR and 1:16:12.800 --> 1:16:14.280 do you want to count that as making the team 1:16:14.360 --> 1:16:16.840 or not? But like not on the initial fifty three 1:16:16.880 --> 1:16:17.519 but still here? 1:16:17.960 --> 1:16:21.080 Yeah, agreed? All right? David and Span emails and he 1:16:21.080 --> 1:16:22.439 has a bone to pick with me, which I know 1:16:22.479 --> 1:16:24.880 you love when people have bones suspected me. He does 1:16:24.920 --> 1:16:27.040 love our show. I know you do, David, you're a 1:16:27.080 --> 1:16:29.920 longtime listener. I appreciate that. So this is going back 1:16:29.920 --> 1:16:32.000 to the draft. So we're putting training camp to the 1:16:32.040 --> 1:16:33.720 side for a second. We're going back to the draft. 1:16:33.760 --> 1:16:35.280 And this is a little long, So do you bear 1:16:35.320 --> 1:16:37.840 with me here? So he says that I have a 1:16:37.880 --> 1:16:41.040 huge bone to pick with Evan about the Henderson versus 1:16:41.120 --> 1:16:45.080 Luther Burden debate, which is a debate like that they 1:16:45.120 --> 1:16:46.200 could have picked either one of those. 1:16:46.360 --> 1:16:49.280 They were never drafting Luther Burt, but they will discuss the. 1:16:49.240 --> 1:16:53.040 Two even even I hate when people do that, and 1:16:53.080 --> 1:16:55.639 I just did it to myself. Evan said that if 1:16:55.680 --> 1:16:58.160 Burden became a star player, people would forget about the 1:16:58.200 --> 1:17:01.519 circumstances and quotes why the Patriots didn't pick him, and 1:17:01.600 --> 1:17:04.280 the culture problem in quotes again, which is a big 1:17:04.320 --> 1:17:07.479 sea concern pre draft, and I call it bs Evan. 1:17:07.720 --> 1:17:10.719 I still stand by that. If let me finish the email, 1:17:10.760 --> 1:17:13.559 then we can we can Rebut if it was a 1:17:13.600 --> 1:17:16.400 perennial playoff team that drabbed him, then I would understand 1:17:16.400 --> 1:17:18.880 your point. But it's no other than the Chicago Bears, 1:17:18.920 --> 1:17:21.000 another team with the first year head coach and a 1:17:21.040 --> 1:17:23.240 culture problem, especially in that wider serier room with the 1:17:23.240 --> 1:17:26.320 attitude of DJ Moore. Okay, if Burton becomes a star, 1:17:26.400 --> 1:17:28.439 he'll be considered a better pick than Henderson due to 1:17:28.439 --> 1:17:31.479 positional value, and there are no excuses. I love Henderson 1:17:31.520 --> 1:17:33.600 and still believe he's a great pick, but that is 1:17:33.640 --> 1:17:36.000 the reality of the Chicago has rolled the dice that 1:17:36.080 --> 1:17:38.519 the Patriots chose not to and the outcome has not 1:17:38.600 --> 1:17:40.720 been seen. Okay, I don't really understand the point here 1:17:40.760 --> 1:17:41.439 that he's made. 1:17:41.280 --> 1:17:42.680 Right, No, it sounds like he agrees with you, Like 1:17:42.760 --> 1:17:46.280 you know, if Burton's good, people are gonna harp on that, 1:17:46.400 --> 1:17:48.800 just like they harped on them. They forgot with Lad mccaukey. 1:17:49.360 --> 1:17:52.160 Lad mccaukeye at a back injury, yeah, Ladd mccaukee at 1:17:52.160 --> 1:17:55.920 a history of injury issues like chronic injury issues that 1:17:56.040 --> 1:17:58.040 I don't I can't sit here and tell you that's 1:17:58.040 --> 1:17:59.640 why the Patriots didn't take him. I don't know. I 1:17:59.640 --> 1:18:01.920 wasn't in a room. That's part of the reason he 1:18:01.960 --> 1:18:03.679 fell as far as he did. And there were teams 1:18:03.680 --> 1:18:06.760 that had him ranked much lower because of the injuries. Yeah, 1:18:06.800 --> 1:18:08.639 but we forget about that because he's a good player. 1:18:08.800 --> 1:18:11.200 Because it worked out. So yeah, no, same thing's gonna 1:18:11.200 --> 1:18:12.840 happen with Burden. I forget which side of it you 1:18:12.840 --> 1:18:13.559 were on, but that's how. 1:18:13.640 --> 1:18:15.680 I was on that side. Yeah, Like I said that, 1:18:15.760 --> 1:18:18.519 if the one the comparison I always come back to 1:18:18.760 --> 1:18:22.080 because to me, this is the one that that grinds 1:18:22.200 --> 1:18:24.360 my gears the most is George Pickens. 1:18:24.600 --> 1:18:27.840 Like George Pickens, George Pickens would not have worked here. 1:18:28.920 --> 1:18:31.800 It's a different time period of Patriots football, a different era, 1:18:32.160 --> 1:18:34.680 but it's the same thing. Like George Pickens came into 1:18:34.680 --> 1:18:36.080 the league, he was hurt. First of all, he had 1:18:36.080 --> 1:18:38.479 an injury. That's different from Luther Burden. But George Pickens 1:18:38.560 --> 1:18:40.880 had towards a cl in college. He didn't play a 1:18:40.920 --> 1:18:43.320 ton of college football. But on top of that, he 1:18:43.360 --> 1:18:45.960 also had some concerns about character. He had some characters. 1:18:45.960 --> 1:18:47.559 I mean, he also didn't play because he got suspended 1:18:47.560 --> 1:18:47.840 a couple. 1:18:47.920 --> 1:18:51.400 Yes, they were a legit character concerns, which by the way, 1:18:51.960 --> 1:18:54.320 pretty much followed him to Pittsburgh too. But like I know, 1:18:54.360 --> 1:18:56.840 he's productive when he plays, but he kind of wore 1:18:56.840 --> 1:18:58.639 it as welcome in Pittsburgh as well, and that's why 1:18:58.640 --> 1:19:03.920 he's not there anymore. So all that being said, Uh, 1:19:04.320 --> 1:19:07.360 nobody looks at the George Pickens draft and says the 1:19:07.400 --> 1:19:11.280 Patriots were right to pass on George Pickens because if 1:19:11.280 --> 1:19:14.360 his attitude problems or his character concerns, they only look 1:19:14.360 --> 1:19:17.080 at the production that George Pickens has had in Pittsburgh 1:19:17.080 --> 1:19:20.000 and will probably have in Dallas and use it against 1:19:20.040 --> 1:19:22.200 the Patriots. It's like this big thing. That's what I 1:19:22.280 --> 1:19:24.000 was saying about burden. It burden goes on to be 1:19:24.040 --> 1:19:27.080 George Pickens in Chicago and he's a he's a you know, 1:19:27.479 --> 1:19:29.360 brand name. I don't know if George Pickens is a star, 1:19:29.560 --> 1:19:30.920 but like he's a good player. 1:19:31.400 --> 1:19:32.839 Uh that tackle on Thorne. 1:19:32.840 --> 1:19:36.120 We are going to be taught and Treyvon Henderson could 1:19:36.400 --> 1:19:38.880 be equally as good. And maybe this will go away. 1:19:39.120 --> 1:19:42.280 I will because a running back versus receiver. But people say, 1:19:42.280 --> 1:19:44.400 what would you rather have the star receiver start running back? 1:19:44.400 --> 1:19:47.080 But it won't be as loud, it won't But and 1:19:47.120 --> 1:19:48.840 but at least for me, I don't want to speak 1:19:48.840 --> 1:19:51.479 forre you for me, it's not to excuse it, it's 1:19:51.640 --> 1:19:52.320 just you. 1:19:52.800 --> 1:19:53.519 I hate. 1:19:54.560 --> 1:19:56.559 You can't grade the draft. I don't want to say 1:19:56.560 --> 1:19:59.639 you can't grade the draft. Retroactively, but like, you can't 1:19:59.640 --> 1:20:04.400 ignore that. You could argue, oh, they shouldn't care so 1:20:04.560 --> 1:20:07.800 much about these character things and they should have taken them, 1:20:08.120 --> 1:20:10.320 But you can't sit there and say, why didn't they 1:20:10.360 --> 1:20:12.959 take them? We know why they didn't take George Pickens. 1:20:13.360 --> 1:20:15.280 We were pretty good idea why they didn't take George Pickens. 1:20:15.280 --> 1:20:17.160 Were a pretty good idea why they didn't take Luther Burden. 1:20:17.760 --> 1:20:20.160 If you want to say that they're weighing certain things 1:20:20.200 --> 1:20:23.280 more than they should be weighing them, that's a fair argument. 1:20:24.000 --> 1:20:26.240 But you can't say, oh, you know, they thought he sucked. 1:20:26.640 --> 1:20:29.519 You know, they blew the evaluation right, because that's not 1:20:30.080 --> 1:20:33.560 by all reporting, that's not what happened. Yeah, they we 1:20:33.920 --> 1:20:35.320 do this all the time. At the draft, they didn't 1:20:35.320 --> 1:20:37.880 believe the guy. So I feel like the medical. 1:20:39.120 --> 1:20:43.720 Misunderstood or because misheard me. I don't know, maybe I 1:20:43.880 --> 1:20:46.479 did a bad job of explaining it. I was saying 1:20:46.560 --> 1:20:49.080 that if Luther Burden goes on to be a star player, 1:20:49.720 --> 1:20:52.479 nobody's going to care that Luther Burden had character concerns 1:20:52.520 --> 1:20:54.160 coming out of college. It's going to be the Patriots 1:20:54.160 --> 1:20:56.599 passed on another star receiver, and it was Luther Burdon. 1:20:57.080 --> 1:20:59.200 We're gonna be putting him in the category of AJ 1:20:59.360 --> 1:21:03.839 Brown and a DK Metcalf and Terry McLaurin and George 1:21:03.880 --> 1:21:06.519 Pickens and like all the other ones that everybody always 1:21:06.560 --> 1:21:08.519 talks about all the time. 1:21:08.640 --> 1:21:11.120 Yeah, that's it. I'll a get I'll even throw Latin 1:21:11.120 --> 1:21:13.680 Conky in her. I was hasn't about Latin Conking, not 1:21:13.680 --> 1:21:16.120 because I thought he couldn't play because he the injuries. Yeah, 1:21:16.160 --> 1:21:18.519 he had pretty significant and maybe they still come up. 1:21:18.960 --> 1:21:21.880 Malcolm Mitchell had a really good first year, right, right, 1:21:21.880 --> 1:21:23.760 And I'm not talking much better for it, right and 1:21:23.800 --> 1:21:26.720 I'm not rooting for it. But like, you gotta go 1:21:26.880 --> 1:21:29.439 back to the moment the pick was made. You can't 1:21:29.479 --> 1:21:31.320 just throw away I get it. We see what these 1:21:31.360 --> 1:21:33.800 players do and ultimately you're gonna look at that retroactively. 1:21:34.040 --> 1:21:36.679 You can't throw away all the contact, all the contacts 1:21:36.680 --> 1:21:40.160 that existed when the pick was made. Either. That's not fair. 1:21:40.439 --> 1:21:42.800 Okay, So some more bones to pick with me. Today. 1:21:42.840 --> 1:21:45.400 It was a big day for dogs, big day for dogs. 1:21:46.000 --> 1:21:49.479 I think like twenty dogs got really good. I think 1:21:49.520 --> 1:21:51.400 something like that. Twenty dogs got adopted. 1:21:52.040 --> 1:21:55.400 So when I Vrabel took that was it uh neat. 1:21:55.479 --> 1:21:57.960 Yeah, yeah, I looked like anything like that. Stefan Diggs 1:21:57.960 --> 1:22:02.000 certainly liked the dog he was dogged in, Like, so, uh, 1:22:03.240 --> 1:22:05.800 Paul is not a dog guy, okay, and I'm a 1:22:05.800 --> 1:22:08.360 big dog guy. As you know, Fred is a dog guy. 1:22:08.360 --> 1:22:10.639 He has a dog, and Duce just adopted a dog 1:22:10.640 --> 1:22:13.280 a couple of months ago, so he's adopting a dog 1:22:13.400 --> 1:22:16.360 lifestyle as well. So Paul is the only curmudgeon that 1:22:16.400 --> 1:22:19.160 doesn't like dogs. So today we were talking about what 1:22:19.240 --> 1:22:21.640 would be the best breed of dog to give to 1:22:21.720 --> 1:22:26.559 Paul because Paul was a very much you know, he's lukewarm. 1:22:26.840 --> 1:22:29.720 He's not gonna get a dog, but hypothetically he would 1:22:29.720 --> 1:22:31.880 be lukewarm on the idea at best if he did 1:22:31.880 --> 1:22:35.160 get a dog. And plus, like I think for Paul, 1:22:35.600 --> 1:22:38.200 the key dog for him would be like a low 1:22:38.280 --> 1:22:40.800 maintenance dog because he's a first time dog owner, so 1:22:40.840 --> 1:22:43.040 you can't give him And not trying to brag, but 1:22:43.120 --> 1:22:45.800 like if you get an Atlas, like you get a 1:22:45.840 --> 1:22:49.320 ridge Back like that's not a beginner dog like they do. 1:22:49.360 --> 1:22:52.920 You have to really love dogs to have dogs like that, right, 1:22:53.400 --> 1:22:55.680 So I said that he should get a lab or 1:22:55.720 --> 1:23:00.240 a retriever because labs and retrievers to me are low 1:23:00.320 --> 1:23:03.599 maintenance type of dogs. Now, the emailer here says Evan's 1:23:03.680 --> 1:23:06.720 dog advice is disastrous. Yeah, and he said labs and 1:23:06.760 --> 1:23:09.920 retrievers are high energy dogs, not the highest but definitely 1:23:09.920 --> 1:23:11.040 on the high end of the spectrum. 1:23:11.160 --> 1:23:13.240 Golden retrievers are higher energy dogs. That is true. 1:23:13.560 --> 1:23:16.759 Great Danes are loafers. Yes, Great Danes are loafers. Giving 1:23:16.760 --> 1:23:19.559 a first time dog owner one hundred and thirty pound 1:23:19.680 --> 1:23:22.160 dog is not the right There's a difference between high 1:23:22.240 --> 1:23:25.479 energy and high maintenance, yes, so right, So high energy 1:23:25.479 --> 1:23:27.479 to me is also like there's different and I know 1:23:27.520 --> 1:23:30.000 it's not dog show, but high energy to me is 1:23:30.040 --> 1:23:34.880 also different. Like there's different definitions because maybe like on 1:23:34.920 --> 1:23:38.400 the spectrum of energy here for dogs, labs and retrievers 1:23:38.479 --> 1:23:40.880 might might be awake for longer than other dogs, right, 1:23:40.920 --> 1:23:43.559 which would maybe consider them to be higher energy. But 1:23:44.080 --> 1:23:46.400 like Atlas needs to be exercised, like you need to 1:23:46.400 --> 1:23:48.880 take that dog on walks or to play out in 1:23:48.960 --> 1:23:52.000 fields and parks and things like that. Like retrievers and 1:23:52.120 --> 1:23:54.760 labs like they're just kind of they're kind of just 1:23:54.880 --> 1:23:56.880 chilling around, right, Like they might be up. 1:23:56.920 --> 1:23:59.200 Now, I like to jump right. Golden Retrievers. They over 1:23:59.280 --> 1:24:02.599 run around and it's high maintenance. 1:24:03.479 --> 1:24:05.400 How is it high maintenance for the. 1:24:05.360 --> 1:24:07.120 Exact same reason that you got to take care of 1:24:07.120 --> 1:24:09.639 at list. It's gotta be the energy has to be spent. 1:24:09.680 --> 1:24:12.200 We gotta take My girlfriend takes her to the gym 1:24:12.280 --> 1:24:15.400 every day, so that's the only thing that calms her down. 1:24:16.200 --> 1:24:16.960 She's a nightmare. 1:24:17.600 --> 1:24:20.639 That that that I mean, Alice gets along really well 1:24:20.760 --> 1:24:24.759 with with Labs, maybe because they can match the energy 1:24:24.840 --> 1:24:27.559 of each other. But like to me, like you know 1:24:27.600 --> 1:24:29.640 that that that was what I more meant was like, 1:24:29.840 --> 1:24:32.599 Paul needs a beginner dog, like the energy thing. People 1:24:32.600 --> 1:24:35.400 are getting caught up in that. Maybe I misspoke on that, but. 1:24:37.240 --> 1:24:37.519 Tricks. 1:24:37.800 --> 1:24:39.800 Oh yeah, now Paul's not getting a dog, Like there's 1:24:39.800 --> 1:24:43.360 no way. But I'm just saying, you know, if I 1:24:43.400 --> 1:24:45.000 had to give Paul a dog, it would be one 1:24:45.040 --> 1:24:48.120 of those types of dogs. Anyways, there's your dog minute, 1:24:48.160 --> 1:24:51.720 because we had to because you know, dog day. Here, okay, 1:24:52.960 --> 1:24:56.040 here's an email from Stevie. Stevie Steve. He said, how 1:24:56.080 --> 1:24:58.920 would you compare Mac Jones to Drake Man the offensive line? 1:24:58.960 --> 1:25:01.920 Mac had his rookie year and the offensive line Drake 1:25:02.000 --> 1:25:04.280 may is projected to have this year. This is an 1:25:04.280 --> 1:25:06.960 interesting question, so we've talked about this a little bit 1:25:07.000 --> 1:25:11.800 in the past, but Mac Jones's rookie season, correct me 1:25:11.800 --> 1:25:18.879 if I'm wrong, but that was Win, Carris, Andrews, Mason, 1:25:19.520 --> 1:25:21.439 Trent Brown. Well, I want to say that was. 1:25:21.439 --> 1:25:24.120 The year that they switched it part way through with 1:25:24.320 --> 1:25:25.920 Carris and benched on when who remember they. 1:25:25.880 --> 1:25:27.559 Game get it right when it was supposed to be 1:25:27.600 --> 1:25:30.080 the projected left guard was supposed to be the starting 1:25:30.160 --> 1:25:31.880 left guard and he did not have a great season 1:25:32.360 --> 1:25:33.400 at left guard. 1:25:33.439 --> 1:25:35.599 Right and so they moved it a runt hang on. 1:25:35.520 --> 1:25:37.559 Home Teddy Carris went to left guard. I know that 1:25:37.680 --> 1:25:40.639 David Andrews was obviously the center. I want to say 1:25:40.920 --> 1:25:43.040 that was the year Trent Brown played right tackle and 1:25:43.120 --> 1:25:45.479 not left and Isaiah Win was at left tackle because 1:25:45.479 --> 1:25:47.840 they were still trying to make Isaiah Win a thing 1:25:48.280 --> 1:25:50.639 and trying to get that to work. So I think 1:25:50.680 --> 1:25:51.400 that was the group. 1:25:51.520 --> 1:25:56.360 So their most use offensive linemen that year were Isaiah Win, 1:25:57.200 --> 1:25:59.720 Trent Brown, and Justin Haran kind of split as the 1:25:59.760 --> 1:26:04.439 second can tackle that was close on whenu Shaq Mason, 1:26:04.600 --> 1:26:06.599 David Andrews and Ted Carris, like, those are the guys 1:26:06.600 --> 1:26:09.479 that played the most some combination of that. So I 1:26:09.520 --> 1:26:11.360 want to say it was remember William Sherman. 1:26:11.600 --> 1:26:13.839 Yes, I want to say it was like six snaps 1:26:13.840 --> 1:26:19.839 that year from left to right, Win Carris, Andrews, Mason, 1:26:20.280 --> 1:26:22.360 Trent Brown, slash Uh. 1:26:23.400 --> 1:26:25.559 Just Justin Haran played almost as much as Trent Brown, 1:26:25.560 --> 1:26:28.080 did they jeez? Okay, which I think was on the 1:26:28.120 --> 1:26:29.800 right or no? Did he step in for Win when 1:26:29.800 --> 1:26:32.720 he was hurt? I don't know this year, so Justin 1:26:32.760 --> 1:26:33.839 Haran played good amountain. 1:26:33.880 --> 1:26:35.880 I know that that group was like the group when 1:26:35.920 --> 1:26:39.519 everybody was healthy though, Okay, so that was that group. 1:26:40.040 --> 1:26:46.639 This group is projected will Campbell, Cole Strange, probably Garrett 1:26:46.640 --> 1:26:49.640 Bradbury to start, maybe Jared Wilson at center on w 1:26:50.000 --> 1:26:55.320 Morgan moses that that's just year's group. I'm gonna say 1:26:55.479 --> 1:26:57.280 this year's group has the potential to be better. 1:26:57.160 --> 1:26:58.960 Has the potential. There's more variance because you have won 1:26:59.000 --> 1:27:02.120 maybe two rookies. Because I look at and kind of 1:27:02.160 --> 1:27:05.600 think that's a wash. Yeah, I look at it. Trump 1:27:05.600 --> 1:27:06.160 Brown's better. 1:27:07.080 --> 1:27:08.880 I don't know. Trump Brown is so inconsistent. 1:27:09.080 --> 1:27:12.520 Yeah, than a thirty five year old Morgan Moses. 1:27:13.439 --> 1:27:15.920 On when you and Mason. I'd probably give it to Mason. 1:27:15.960 --> 1:27:17.760 I think Mason was a better player, but I don't 1:27:17.800 --> 1:27:19.000 think it was like world's better. 1:27:19.120 --> 1:27:20.120 That's not a massive gap. 1:27:20.160 --> 1:27:23.280 We're not talking about like you know, Zach Martin here 1:27:23.439 --> 1:27:27.200 like a good player. Shaq Mason center, definitely David Andrews 1:27:27.240 --> 1:27:32.120 obviously left guard, Carris versus Strange. I probably give that 1:27:32.160 --> 1:27:32.880 one to Carris. 1:27:32.960 --> 1:27:35.320 Maybe that Max Shownes's line is better, and then I 1:27:35.400 --> 1:27:37.800 give I say Will Campbell, I say, well, Campbell too, 1:27:38.320 --> 1:27:40.400 but like that's so the one guy we're giving it 1:27:40.479 --> 1:27:42.479 this year. But also so the weird thing with that 1:27:42.560 --> 1:27:45.960 line was it took forever because that wasn't the line 1:27:45.960 --> 1:27:48.799 from the start of the season. They kept moving players, 1:27:48.880 --> 1:27:51.160 they kept moving pieces, and they didn't have the continuity. 1:27:51.360 --> 1:27:55.400 So this year's group should have continuity. On paper, that 1:27:55.439 --> 1:27:57.040 line may be better because the next year is when 1:27:57.040 --> 1:27:59.960 it really fell apart, but this team has a bet 1:28:00.120 --> 1:28:00.879 or left tackle. 1:28:00.720 --> 1:28:02.439 And they had better coaching that year, Like that's the 1:28:02.479 --> 1:28:04.920 your Carmen Brisilla was the offensive line coach. Well, I 1:28:04.960 --> 1:28:08.200 think is a really good coach. Josh McDaniels was obviously 1:28:08.240 --> 1:28:11.479 the offensive coordinator. So you would like to think that 1:28:11.560 --> 1:28:14.080 they have a similar setup this year with Moron and 1:28:14.439 --> 1:28:17.120 McDaniels that you feel good about the coaching side of it, 1:28:17.160 --> 1:28:19.160 And that's a big part of it with the offensive line. 1:28:19.200 --> 1:28:21.240 You know, how do you game plan, how do you scheme? 1:28:21.320 --> 1:28:25.000 How do you solve problems? Like is everybody on the 1:28:25.000 --> 1:28:26.960 same page? Are you seeing it through the same set 1:28:26.960 --> 1:28:29.000 of eyes? If you can do those things and eliminate 1:28:29.040 --> 1:28:33.240 all the unforced errors as an offensive line, you can 1:28:33.280 --> 1:28:36.040 be a league average just by being getting out of 1:28:36.080 --> 1:28:38.439 your own way as an offensive line. I think that's 1:28:38.479 --> 1:28:41.280 what we all hope for this year's offensive line. And 1:28:41.360 --> 1:28:45.479 I was watching Fortune Foxborough the other day, episode two, 1:28:45.520 --> 1:28:48.240 which is now out on Patriots dot Com and YouTube. 1:28:49.240 --> 1:28:51.400 They spend a lot of time with the offensive line, 1:28:51.800 --> 1:28:53.639 and I know for some people that puts you to sleep, 1:28:53.680 --> 1:28:56.439 and you're not offensive line people. But the Morgan Moses 1:28:56.960 --> 1:28:59.160 post practice sessions and it was a great part of 1:28:59.160 --> 1:29:01.240 this great stuff, and it's good to see all these 1:29:01.280 --> 1:29:03.439 line coaches. And I think the thing that stood out 1:29:03.439 --> 1:29:06.280 to me, you Morone is obviously a season coach. He's 1:29:06.320 --> 1:29:08.240 been a head coach in the league he's been a 1:29:08.280 --> 1:29:11.360 line coach in the league multiple times. Jason Howdling, who 1:29:11.400 --> 1:29:14.479 got a lot of FaceTime on Fortune Foxborough as well, 1:29:14.760 --> 1:29:18.439 he's been a chief offensive line coach as well, Like 1:29:18.520 --> 1:29:21.840 he's run the room himself too. So you basically have 1:29:22.720 --> 1:29:27.080 three guys if you want to count Kugler, who are 1:29:27.080 --> 1:29:29.920 probably qualified to be offensive line coaches. And they're all 1:29:29.960 --> 1:29:33.479 on the same staff. So that's a big change from 1:29:33.520 --> 1:29:35.759 the line coaches they've had the last couple of years, 1:29:35.760 --> 1:29:40.519 no disrespect. So I think that that's a really positive thing. 1:29:40.600 --> 1:29:43.479 And when I look at the way that I envisioned 1:29:43.600 --> 1:29:47.639 this being broken out, Doug Morone, I think is going 1:29:47.680 --> 1:29:51.600 to be handling a lot of scheming type stuff like 1:29:51.720 --> 1:29:56.280 high level you know, game planning, install weekly installed with 1:29:56.360 --> 1:29:59.839 Josh McDaniels, and we want to we watched this defense 1:30:00.000 --> 1:30:03.200 we're gonna face on Sunday hypothetically, and we want to 1:30:03.479 --> 1:30:05.559 have these runs in you know, these are the runs 1:30:05.560 --> 1:30:07.439 that we want to have in the installo. How are 1:30:07.479 --> 1:30:09.439 we going to block them? You know? What are our rules? 1:30:09.600 --> 1:30:11.760 That's where Doug Moron comes in. I think when it 1:30:11.760 --> 1:30:15.320 comes to teaching technique and like really getting in there 1:30:15.400 --> 1:30:17.840 and hands On, I think it's gonna be a lot 1:30:17.880 --> 1:30:20.639 of Jason Haddling and Robert Coogler. I think those guys 1:30:20.640 --> 1:30:23.519 are the guys that are gonna be really teaching, like 1:30:24.040 --> 1:30:26.759 the minutia, you know, and taking guys to the side, 1:30:26.840 --> 1:30:29.640 and like working on rookies and back end of the 1:30:29.720 --> 1:30:32.639 roster development and things like that, whereas Moron, I think, 1:30:32.760 --> 1:30:34.800 is gonna be more of like an overseer, almost like 1:30:34.800 --> 1:30:38.720 a court offensive line coordinator. So I'm looking forward to 1:30:38.760 --> 1:30:42.439 seeing how that comes together, because on paper, it's so 1:30:42.560 --> 1:30:45.880 much more seasoned and so much more just just better 1:30:46.040 --> 1:30:47.960 than what they've had over the last couple of years. 1:30:47.960 --> 1:30:50.960 So hopefully that elevates that room as well. A couple 1:30:50.960 --> 1:30:54.679 more emails here before we will take some phone calls, 1:30:54.720 --> 1:30:56.840 and then we'll wrap it up here. I am a 1:30:56.840 --> 1:31:00.519 long time listener from Mexico, says Alonzo when he says, 1:31:00.760 --> 1:31:03.040 my question for you guys is based on the comments 1:31:03.080 --> 1:31:06.160 I've seen on X, it seems that Kaishan Boody was 1:31:06.240 --> 1:31:09.400 running as the top X receiver with the first team. 1:31:09.439 --> 1:31:12.040 Why do you think the entire media landscape is so 1:31:12.200 --> 1:31:15.840 low on Booty while the team seems to view him 1:31:15.920 --> 1:31:18.640 hot quite differently. I don't know if the media is 1:31:18.680 --> 1:31:19.200 super low. 1:31:19.280 --> 1:31:21.000 I don't think we're low. We're just not as high 1:31:21.040 --> 1:31:22.280 as people want us to be. 1:31:23.120 --> 1:31:27.360 Yeah, I think that I'm not saying necessarily that he 1:31:27.479 --> 1:31:32.200 can't get even better. Yeah, but I think a lot 1:31:32.200 --> 1:31:35.120 of us feel that last year was Kasehan Boody's peak, 1:31:35.240 --> 1:31:37.200 and that's not a bad peak. If he can maintain it, 1:31:37.240 --> 1:31:40.479 that's an NFL player. Yeah, But I don't know if 1:31:40.520 --> 1:31:44.080 there's another level for Kashan Boody necessarily than what we 1:31:44.120 --> 1:31:47.960 saw last season. So in that respect, could they do 1:31:48.040 --> 1:31:52.599 better at that spot? I think is really just the question. 1:31:52.680 --> 1:31:54.720 I think it's also I mean, he was brought up 1:31:54.760 --> 1:31:59.360 in trade rumors before the start of the season, so 1:31:59.439 --> 1:32:01.639 that tells you that maybe as high as the team 1:32:01.800 --> 1:32:03.360 is on him, they could see him as the odd 1:32:03.400 --> 1:32:07.160 man out. Also, his consistency with him, right, he has 1:32:07.280 --> 1:32:10.080 really good individual days, but he's got a stack days. 1:32:10.400 --> 1:32:11.840 That's what it's gonna come down to. So when he 1:32:11.840 --> 1:32:13.519 has a great day, yeah, we talk about it, but 1:32:13.560 --> 1:32:16.680 it also comes with, you know, to contrast him to 1:32:16.720 --> 1:32:18.960 Pop Douglas, who was that same draft class. Pop Douglas 1:32:19.040 --> 1:32:20.960 is coming out every single day and we were you know, 1:32:21.000 --> 1:32:22.880 there were moments every single day that you were like, Wow, 1:32:22.920 --> 1:32:25.280 this kid has it in Keisehan Boudia some of those, 1:32:25.280 --> 1:32:26.920 but then he has some days where he kind of disappears, 1:32:27.320 --> 1:32:28.720 and so that's what it comes down to for him. 1:32:28.760 --> 1:32:31.400 He just has to be more consistent. I think fancy 1:32:31.520 --> 1:32:33.680 the flashes and get very excited. And maybe this is 1:32:33.680 --> 1:32:36.439 where the disconnect is with the media, But you know, 1:32:36.520 --> 1:32:39.080 we're kind of watching more on a down to down basis, 1:32:39.120 --> 1:32:41.760 and there's times where he disappears. So look for a 1:32:41.800 --> 1:32:45.559 third receiver. Sometimes you're going off flashes and there's nothing 1:32:45.600 --> 1:32:48.120 wrong with that. And I do think, like, I don't 1:32:48.120 --> 1:32:50.240 think he's gonna get cut. I don't think the team 1:32:50.280 --> 1:32:52.000 would cut him. I think they do like him. I 1:32:52.000 --> 1:32:53.519 also think if there's a large jam and they can 1:32:53.520 --> 1:32:55.160 get something for him, the wouldn't turn their nose up 1:32:55.200 --> 1:32:58.200 at it. So that's kind of where I'm at on him. 1:32:58.479 --> 1:33:02.200 I don't that we're that low. I think the expectations 1:33:02.200 --> 1:33:05.320 for him because and look, maybe I'm partially at fault 1:33:05.320 --> 1:33:06.960 for this because I really liked him in the draft 1:33:07.000 --> 1:33:10.880 that year, like he he was such a good player 1:33:10.880 --> 1:33:14.840 at LSU. The expectations room were so high coming from LSU. 1:33:14.880 --> 1:33:17.360 You talk about that ceiling. I think some people, look, 1:33:17.360 --> 1:33:23.040 I've kind of wondered, this is that breakout star freshman player. 1:33:23.160 --> 1:33:25.280 And I mean, that's what five six years ago. Now, 1:33:25.439 --> 1:33:28.320 it's been a long time, but is there still an 1:33:28.360 --> 1:33:30.759 ability to tap into that? And I think some people 1:33:30.880 --> 1:33:32.960 just see that And I'm not saying you're wrong to 1:33:33.000 --> 1:33:35.679 do it, like we all do this with certain players. Again, 1:33:35.720 --> 1:33:38.799 as a true freshman LCU ten games, forty five catches, 1:33:38.800 --> 1:33:41.080 seven hundred and thirty five yards, five touchdowns, caught nine 1:33:41.120 --> 1:33:43.080 touchdowns the next year in just six games. 1:33:43.240 --> 1:33:45.960 I mean he was his freshman year of LSU. He 1:33:46.040 --> 1:33:48.320 was on track to be the next LSU receiver, right. 1:33:48.200 --> 1:33:50.479 He was supposed to be that guy. So I think 1:33:50.520 --> 1:33:53.240 there's some people that look at that and just still 1:33:53.280 --> 1:33:55.000 wonder if that's in there and if they can tap 1:33:55.040 --> 1:33:56.599 into that. And I've wondered it too, and it would 1:33:56.640 --> 1:34:01.120 be great. I just don't think you build the offense 1:34:01.160 --> 1:34:04.160 around maybe we tap into this guy he was that 1:34:04.240 --> 1:34:07.360 was twenty twenty, yeah, right, so you don't build the 1:34:07.360 --> 1:34:09.680 offense around can we tap into this guy that he 1:34:09.840 --> 1:34:10.639 was five years ago? 1:34:10.840 --> 1:34:14.000 Yeah? And I you know, he had forty three catches 1:34:14.040 --> 1:34:17.000 for a little under six hundred yards last year. Again, 1:34:17.040 --> 1:34:22.400 that's not terrible production, that's NFL production. But that to 1:34:22.439 --> 1:34:25.720 me feels like where he would about fill in right 1:34:25.800 --> 1:34:28.400 like that in terms of a peak. Now, he might 1:34:28.479 --> 1:34:30.559 maintain it for a couple more years, and that's great, 1:34:30.600 --> 1:34:33.000 that's a good career. But I don't know if he 1:34:33.160 --> 1:34:35.479 has another level there. So I think that's maybe where 1:34:35.479 --> 1:34:37.680 the disconnect is there with the emailer. 1:34:37.479 --> 1:34:39.120 Right, it's does he have another level or not? 1:34:39.280 --> 1:34:42.040 Yeah, seanav Vancouver writes, and I'm glad he wrote in 1:34:42.080 --> 1:34:45.439 this email because we should say rip to the legend. 1:34:45.560 --> 1:34:48.479 I'm happy to hear that crazy Train remains as the 1:34:48.520 --> 1:34:52.800 intro song. Sean said, Rip Ozzy go Pats, Yes, rip 1:34:53.640 --> 1:34:55.280 to the legend Ozzy Osbourne. 1:34:55.600 --> 1:34:55.960 That was. 1:34:57.800 --> 1:35:00.680 Bad news yesterday. That was tough, all right, this is 1:35:00.800 --> 1:35:00.960 Do you. 1:35:00.960 --> 1:35:03.320 See any of his favoritwell constantly? He still sounded good 1:35:03.400 --> 1:35:04.240 right up until the end. 1:35:04.920 --> 1:35:06.280 Really yeah. 1:35:06.840 --> 1:35:09.240 I was never like a huge Ozzy Osbourne guy, but 1:35:09.360 --> 1:35:11.040 I mean that that's history, right. I checked out that 1:35:11.080 --> 1:35:14.800 farewell concert. He did that impressive for a guy that's 1:35:14.840 --> 1:35:16.240 up there and has had some health issues. I think 1:35:16.240 --> 1:35:23.280 he's dealing with Parkinson's right. Impressive, I gotta say, uh not. 1:35:24.280 --> 1:35:27.040 I was kind of surprised he lasted twenty more years, 1:35:27.120 --> 1:35:29.719 Like there was some rough moments there for Ozzy Osbourne 1:35:29.760 --> 1:35:33.160 in like the five six range, you know, health wise, 1:35:33.320 --> 1:35:35.200 and he held on for a long time. 1:35:35.160 --> 1:35:36.519 Just to go back to Keishan Boutiga. And this is 1:35:36.560 --> 1:35:41.920 kind of my point, like last year being his ceiling, 1:35:41.920 --> 1:35:44.280 how does he get better again? It comes down to consistency. 1:35:45.240 --> 1:35:49.799 So last year, forty six percent of his offensive production 1:35:49.880 --> 1:35:53.559 in terms of yards came in just three games. In 1:35:53.600 --> 1:35:55.200 one of those games when he had one hundred and 1:35:55.200 --> 1:35:59.080 seventeen was the week eighteen game against Buffalo. He had 1:35:59.160 --> 1:36:01.960 ninety five. In the other game against Buffalo fifty nine 1:36:01.960 --> 1:36:04.280 against Houston. He never had more than forty seven outside 1:36:04.320 --> 1:36:08.200 of that in one, two, three, four, five, six, seven eight. 1:36:08.280 --> 1:36:10.360 In nine games he had less than forty yards. 1:36:10.560 --> 1:36:12.559 So I'm not saying he has to go going back 1:36:12.560 --> 1:36:14.479 to that twenty twenty season at LS. You didn't he 1:36:14.520 --> 1:36:16.639 have that one game was against like I want to say, 1:36:16.720 --> 1:36:17.439 South Caros. 1:36:17.200 --> 1:36:20.640 Well, the team started just like throwing the library. 1:36:20.280 --> 1:36:21.920 I know, but wasn't there that one game where he 1:36:21.960 --> 1:36:24.760 had like three hundred for three touchdowns, like he had 1:36:24.800 --> 1:36:25.640 like one of those types of thing. 1:36:25.800 --> 1:36:28.040 Yeah, but I don't think teams are shading Kaishawn Booty 1:36:28.080 --> 1:36:30.800 in the NFL the way they were shading him at LSU. Like, yeah, 1:36:30.840 --> 1:36:32.920 there were some games like he was the next guy. 1:36:33.000 --> 1:36:34.920 There were some games you watch that was being covered 1:36:34.920 --> 1:36:37.000 in the fact that he did anything. He had well 1:36:37.040 --> 1:36:38.920 that had the Old Miss game at the end of 1:36:38.920 --> 1:36:40.640 the year, he had fourteen catches for three hundred eight 1:36:40.720 --> 1:36:42.840 yards and three touchdowns. But the games before that, he 1:36:42.880 --> 1:36:44.800 had one hundred eight against Florida and he had one 1:36:44.880 --> 1:36:47.640 hundred eleven against Alabama the game before that. Yeah, So 1:36:48.040 --> 1:36:50.320 I mean that's pretty good. It's just gonna come down 1:36:50.400 --> 1:36:51.559 and I'm not saying he has to have one hundred 1:36:51.560 --> 1:36:53.760 and ten yards every game, but it is kind of 1:36:53.800 --> 1:36:57.000 George Pickens ish, where George Pickens will put up a 1:36:57.080 --> 1:37:00.120 thousand yards in a season, six hundred of those yard 1:37:00.160 --> 1:37:02.200 will be in like four games, and then he'll have 1:37:02.240 --> 1:37:05.559 games where he's entirely blanked. So you know, Kaishawn Booty 1:37:05.640 --> 1:37:07.640 had more games this year where he had less than 1:37:07.640 --> 1:37:10.240 twenty receiving yards that he had more than fifty. And 1:37:10.360 --> 1:37:12.400 I get not every game has to be one hundred yards, 1:37:12.640 --> 1:37:14.439 but you gotta be a little more steady than that 1:37:14.920 --> 1:37:17.599 to play a you know, consistent role in the offense, 1:37:17.640 --> 1:37:19.559 to be a top three receiver guy that's out there 1:37:20.040 --> 1:37:23.639 sixty plus percent of the time. The way he's kind 1:37:23.640 --> 1:37:26.120 of performed is he's the fourth guy you throw him 1:37:26.120 --> 1:37:27.920 in and kind of try to hit shot plays. And 1:37:27.960 --> 1:37:29.439 he's good at that, and there's a role for that, 1:37:29.520 --> 1:37:32.479 and there's nothing wrong with that. I just he has 1:37:32.600 --> 1:37:34.800 yet to prove he's more than that, and right now 1:37:34.800 --> 1:37:37.240 the team has. I mean, that's what Kendrick Bourne is, 1:37:37.320 --> 1:37:40.240 That's what MATC Collins is. The team has a lot 1:37:40.240 --> 1:37:42.880 of guys like that. They don't necessarily have the guy 1:37:42.920 --> 1:37:45.439 that's gonna go out. You can set your watch to Okay, 1:37:45.439 --> 1:37:47.040 he's gonna have at least five catches, gonna have at 1:37:47.080 --> 1:37:48.639 least eighty yards, he got a good shot, he's gonna 1:37:48.640 --> 1:37:50.760 get in the end zone. They you know, you hope 1:37:50.800 --> 1:37:56.120 that's Pop Douglas or Stefon Diggs maybe right, So that 1:37:56.120 --> 1:37:58.960 that's if Diggs is gonna If not Diggs, if Booty's 1:37:58.960 --> 1:38:01.519 gonna step into a bigger role. Right, he's probably their 1:38:01.520 --> 1:38:03.840 top rotational guy right now. But if he's gonna step 1:38:03.880 --> 1:38:06.360 into a bigger role, it's about the consistency, all right. 1:38:06.520 --> 1:38:06.640 Uh. 1:38:06.880 --> 1:38:09.559 David Man sends in a good email here about some 1:38:09.600 --> 1:38:11.599 of the holdouts or ins or whatever the heck they 1:38:11.600 --> 1:38:13.639 are across the league that are going on right now. 1:38:14.280 --> 1:38:16.479 So he lists them all out and we can kind 1:38:16.479 --> 1:38:18.520 of just talk about them in terms of the Patriots, 1:38:18.600 --> 1:38:21.760 right the two he has a couple, al right, So 1:38:21.840 --> 1:38:24.559 can you see scenario when England actually tries to trade 1:38:24.720 --> 1:38:27.080 for one of these guys, one of these disgruntled looking 1:38:27.120 --> 1:38:29.880 for contract players. The first one here, I think is 1:38:29.920 --> 1:38:32.839 the most likely not to necessarily be dealt to New England, 1:38:32.840 --> 1:38:36.600 but just to be dealt period, Trey Hendrickson in Cincinnati. 1:38:36.680 --> 1:38:40.000 So Tracks really doesn't think he's getting dealt Okay, I 1:38:40.040 --> 1:38:43.479 trust Tracks, but I agree with you. I mean, it's 1:38:43.600 --> 1:38:47.400 just the history of Cincinnati. Has they gave those those contracts, 1:38:47.439 --> 1:38:50.160 the wide receivers. I could see the Patriots being interested 1:38:50.160 --> 1:38:52.599 because that's what, like I just talked about, with the receivers, 1:38:52.600 --> 1:38:55.719 they're missing that Lynchpin guy. Same thing with the pass rush. 1:38:56.000 --> 1:38:59.360 Hair Lander's a good player, but he's probably a. 1:38:59.240 --> 1:39:04.360 Low Enderson's an elite player, right what he's an elite player, Hendrickson. 1:39:03.960 --> 1:39:06.559 Hendrickson No, So I'm saying, like Landry's the closest they 1:39:06.560 --> 1:39:09.120 have to a lynch pin. But if he's a complimentary 1:39:09.120 --> 1:39:11.800 guy to a player like Hendrickson, right now, you're like, 1:39:12.000 --> 1:39:14.720 it's that coverage dictating, right, Henderson's going to dictate the 1:39:14.720 --> 1:39:17.320 blocking scheme, and I think that, you know, Mike Rabel 1:39:17.320 --> 1:39:18.000 wants a guy like that. 1:39:18.120 --> 1:39:19.040 Henderson's a beast. 1:39:19.240 --> 1:39:21.160 I think if Hendrickson became available, I don't know if 1:39:21.520 --> 1:39:23.800 the Patriots would match the pright now supposedly the issues 1:39:23.840 --> 1:39:25.639 the Bengals want a first round pick, which I would 1:39:25.680 --> 1:39:28.800 not do. I don't think anybody's gonna do. So that's ridiculous, 1:39:28.800 --> 1:39:30.760 and maybe he just ends up not playing this year. 1:39:31.160 --> 1:39:32.720 But all this back and. 1:39:32.680 --> 1:39:34.840 Guaranteed money, as it always does in terms of the 1:39:34.840 --> 1:39:36.120 Bengals side of things. 1:39:35.960 --> 1:39:37.600 Well, but this is a little different. So it's not 1:39:37.640 --> 1:39:39.679 about the amount of guarant just based on the reports, 1:39:39.760 --> 1:39:43.240 I don't know the inside, but it's not about the 1:39:43.240 --> 1:39:45.120 amount of guaranteed money. I mean, that's part of it. 1:39:45.200 --> 1:39:51.800 But what Garrett Max Crosby they got guaranteed money into 1:39:51.800 --> 1:39:53.360 the second and I think into the third year of 1:39:53.400 --> 1:39:56.320 their deals. Right, yeah, right now, it sounds like the 1:39:56.360 --> 1:39:58.880 Bengals are only guaranteeing money in the first year of 1:39:58.920 --> 1:40:01.840 the extension. Just what Hendrickson's problem is he wants long 1:40:01.920 --> 1:40:02.640 term security. 1:40:02.960 --> 1:40:05.040 Shocker in terms of the Bengals. 1:40:05.120 --> 1:40:07.040 Yeah, playing hard, No, And I don't fall to Hendrickson 1:40:07.080 --> 1:40:08.679 for wanting that, especially if those other guys got. 1:40:08.600 --> 1:40:11.599 It right, all right, this one. I gotta be honest 1:40:11.640 --> 1:40:15.320 with you. I would be absolutely floored if Terry McLaurin 1:40:15.360 --> 1:40:19.400 gets traded by Washington. That is, it's just not I 1:40:19.439 --> 1:40:21.599 don't want to go crazy, like this is not what's happening. 1:40:21.600 --> 1:40:23.639 I will say this, he's not getting traded. I didn't 1:40:23.640 --> 1:40:24.960 think he was going to hold out. I thought he 1:40:25.040 --> 1:40:27.200 might hold in. Yeah, I didn't think he was going 1:40:27.240 --> 1:40:30.760 to hold out. I was genuinely surprised the fines. You know, 1:40:31.080 --> 1:40:34.160 it's fifty thousand dollars a day. Now to us, that's 1:40:34.200 --> 1:40:37.360 that's incredible, Like, oh my, that's crazy. It's like insane 1:40:37.400 --> 1:40:39.920 to give up that kind of money. Now, he will 1:40:40.200 --> 1:40:43.920 could go out and sign thirty million dollars per year. 1:40:44.360 --> 1:40:47.200 So if he misses like a handful of practices and 1:40:47.240 --> 1:40:49.160 he has to he has two hundred and fifty thousand 1:40:49.200 --> 1:40:50.920 dollars in fine. I think the team's going to wave 1:40:51.000 --> 1:40:53.800 like forty million dollars signing both. It's like it's not 1:40:53.840 --> 1:40:56.599 going to matter, right, and he and teams could waive it, 1:40:56.920 --> 1:40:59.880 you know, if they want to be you know, do 1:41:00.040 --> 1:41:01.280 the right thing by the players. 1:41:01.320 --> 1:41:04.120 It's let in the negotiations. Yeah, right, and will wave 1:41:04.160 --> 1:41:05.679 your you know, we'll wave your fine. 1:41:05.760 --> 1:41:09.240 The single dumbest thing that you can do as the 1:41:09.360 --> 1:41:13.040 Washington Commanders in year two of Jaden Daniels, with all 1:41:13.080 --> 1:41:15.080 the momentum that you had last year going all the 1:41:15.120 --> 1:41:17.840 way to the NFC Championship Game, and Jadeen Daniels was 1:41:17.920 --> 1:41:20.920 legitimately a top five quarterback in the NFL out of 1:41:20.960 --> 1:41:23.640 the shoot as a rookie, the dumbest thing that you 1:41:23.640 --> 1:41:26.760 could do is be trade Terry McLaurin. It's not if 1:41:26.800 --> 1:41:30.360 this was five years from now, and I know mclaurin's like, ah, 1:41:30.400 --> 1:41:32.679 doesn't line up with this, but just for the take, 1:41:33.000 --> 1:41:35.479 this was five years from now and they decided to 1:41:35.560 --> 1:41:39.599 trade Jaden Daniels's top receiver because Jaden Daniels has won 1:41:39.680 --> 1:41:41.920 like three MVPs in a row, and he's gonna be fine. 1:41:42.200 --> 1:41:44.120 It's kind of like what Buffalo did with digs right, 1:41:44.160 --> 1:41:47.639 Like they finally said, Josh Allen's a made man. He's 1:41:47.720 --> 1:41:50.680 gonna be fine. It'll be fine. But we're not there 1:41:50.760 --> 1:41:53.360 yet with Jayden Daniels. Jaden Daniels had one year, Like 1:41:53.439 --> 1:41:56.519 he's not anywhere close to that level yet, where the 1:41:56.560 --> 1:42:00.000 consistency is there to deal a guy that is truly 1:42:00.080 --> 1:42:02.320 his best receiver, That would be dumb. Is dumb. And 1:42:02.360 --> 1:42:07.120 I don't think Scott Peters, Scott Peters, Adam Peters is dumb. 1:42:07.360 --> 1:42:09.280 I don't. I think he's a good executive. I don't 1:42:09.320 --> 1:42:11.080 think he's doing that now. 1:42:12.040 --> 1:42:15.920 I mean, I know it's different ownership that organization's had there. 1:42:16.479 --> 1:42:19.799 It's different ownership. It's different ownership. It's a different general manager, 1:42:19.800 --> 1:42:21.920 it's a different head coach, Like it's a different vibe 1:42:22.040 --> 1:42:25.800 in Washington the next one here. I can't. I can't 1:42:25.880 --> 1:42:29.519 rule this out completely because it's Jerry, and Jerry does 1:42:29.520 --> 1:42:33.960 what Jerry does. Like Micah Parsons is unhappy in Dallas. 1:42:34.640 --> 1:42:36.800 I mean, I mean the owner's talking smack about him, 1:42:36.840 --> 1:42:40.400 so you have to be again that is done with 1:42:40.439 --> 1:42:44.400 the capitol, so that and B to trade maybe, yeah, 1:42:44.439 --> 1:42:47.720 I think a top ten player in football, like regardless. 1:42:47.240 --> 1:42:50.280 Of now you're talking about multiple first round picks if 1:42:50.280 --> 1:42:50.839 he gets. 1:42:51.040 --> 1:42:54.320 He's legitimately Like, let's take quarterbacks out of it, because 1:42:54.320 --> 1:42:56.760 it's always hard when the value of a quarterback is 1:42:56.800 --> 1:43:00.559 so high at non quarterbacks if we were just draft 1:43:00.800 --> 1:43:04.519 non quarterbacks, like Micah Parsans is a top ten pick easily. 1:43:04.600 --> 1:43:09.439 Oh yeah, I mean it's him, it's Seul Garrett. Yeah, 1:43:09.520 --> 1:43:13.080 it's probably wider some of the justin Jefferson j Yeah, yeah, 1:43:13.080 --> 1:43:20.120 but yeah there, yes he is to stop doesn't matter. 1:43:21.200 --> 1:43:22.920 That would be like multiple first round picks. I don't 1:43:22.920 --> 1:43:25.200 think he's getting traded simply because like I don't think 1:43:25.800 --> 1:43:27.280 a team's going to give up what he's worth. 1:43:27.720 --> 1:43:30.160 Yeah, that one would be tough to give up enough 1:43:30.200 --> 1:43:33.439 compensation for Dallas to truly move him, right, But Like, 1:43:33.920 --> 1:43:35.880 the thing is that Jerry is saying ridiculous, and I 1:43:35.920 --> 1:43:38.599 know it's shouldn't I shouldn't, I shouldn't, Like it's glass 1:43:38.600 --> 1:43:41.240 Asse type thing, but like, what are you doing, Like 1:43:41.320 --> 1:43:43.240 you're saying, oh, well, we might just because we sign him. 1:43:43.280 --> 1:43:45.280 We might not have him because he got hurt last year, 1:43:45.320 --> 1:43:48.280 Like everybody gets hurt sometimes, Like it's football, all right. 1:43:48.360 --> 1:43:51.680 Last one here from David Maine. Shamar Stewart also with 1:43:51.720 --> 1:43:55.799 the Cincinnati Bengals. So Shamar Stewart went back to school, 1:43:56.120 --> 1:43:58.160 I believe, right, So they can't play. 1:43:58.240 --> 1:44:02.800 I think there's an internet rumors he's at Texas and practices. 1:44:03.080 --> 1:44:05.519 So he's not eligible to play college football anymore. 1:44:05.840 --> 1:44:06.920 No, he cannot know. 1:44:07.120 --> 1:44:11.360 But he could sit out the year with Cincinnati and 1:44:11.520 --> 1:44:14.400 re enter the twenty twenty six draft. Yes, but he 1:44:14.400 --> 1:44:16.720 would be out of football for an entire year, not 1:44:16.760 --> 1:44:19.479 playing college or pro football for an entire. 1:44:19.320 --> 1:44:22.040 So I've been looking into this and I haven't gotten 1:44:22.040 --> 1:44:24.720 the exact answer. I think he could go play in 1:44:24.720 --> 1:44:25.280 the UFL. 1:44:26.320 --> 1:44:28.479 He's not under contract in the NFL, but he declared no. 1:44:28.560 --> 1:44:29.719 They put in the UFL. 1:44:31.760 --> 1:44:33.400 Where which one is that? 1:44:33.479 --> 1:44:35.080 There's only one left? It's the spring league. 1:44:35.120 --> 1:44:36.680 Yeah, that's what I'm saying, Like he can go and 1:44:36.760 --> 1:44:38.320 play pro football. 1:44:38.360 --> 1:44:40.720 No, But so this this is which if I was him, 1:44:40.800 --> 1:44:42.400 this is what I would do if he's not going 1:44:42.479 --> 1:44:45.360 to play, is go to the UFL because he'll dominate 1:44:46.320 --> 1:44:49.160 and then use that to because inherently his draft sock 1:44:49.240 --> 1:44:52.320 is going to go down because he's another year older. Yeah, 1:44:52.360 --> 1:44:54.160 it's been out of the game. It's going to go 1:44:54.280 --> 1:44:57.519 way down, right well, because it's just this whole, this whole. 1:44:57.520 --> 1:44:59.160 But if you go to the UFL and put up 1:44:59.800 --> 1:45:01.000 a teen sacks. 1:45:00.680 --> 1:45:03.959 In ten games, yeah, I dominate that level. 1:45:03.960 --> 1:45:05.920 Right, So that's what I'm saying. But I don't think 1:45:05.920 --> 1:45:08.320 he's gonna get traded because if you're the bank, first 1:45:08.360 --> 1:45:10.080 of all, if you're the Bengals, you trade Tamar Stewart, 1:45:10.120 --> 1:45:12.439 you lose all your leverage with Trey Hendrickson. The Trey 1:45:12.439 --> 1:45:14.519 Hendrickson hat thing has to be settled first. 1:45:14.520 --> 1:45:16.760 You can't draft a guy in the first round and 1:45:16.800 --> 1:45:19.120 then have a contract dispute and then immediately trade the 1:45:19.120 --> 1:45:20.960 guy like it's just such bad. 1:45:21.640 --> 1:45:23.680 They if they decide like, all right, it's just that 1:45:24.080 --> 1:45:26.280 we're at an impasse, it's not gonna work. And I 1:45:26.280 --> 1:45:31.360 mean that in itself is a fireable offense. You can't 1:45:31.479 --> 1:45:33.280 do anything with Stuart until you do somee with Hendrickson 1:45:33.400 --> 1:45:36.080 because if you move on from Stewart or you announced 1:45:36.120 --> 1:45:39.960 or he announces without you, hey not playing this year 1:45:40.520 --> 1:45:43.240 Trey Hendrickson's offer just went up by or Trey Hendrickson's 1:45:43.240 --> 1:45:45.280 demand just went up by twenty percent, because you can't 1:45:45.280 --> 1:45:48.440 lose both of them. Now they should be prioritizing Stuart, 1:45:48.560 --> 1:45:52.760 but you can't. If it gets out that Stuart's not 1:45:52.760 --> 1:45:56.880 gonna play, they lose it all with Trey Hendrickson and 1:45:56.880 --> 1:45:57.960 now they're down both guys. 1:45:58.280 --> 1:46:02.040 I'd be fascinated to see a player sit out the 1:46:02.200 --> 1:46:05.200 entire year and then re enter the draft next year. 1:46:05.479 --> 1:46:06.160 That would be cool. 1:46:06.200 --> 1:46:08.040 I'm really interested to know. 1:46:08.360 --> 1:46:11.960 I'd get drafted on Day three, right. So I guess 1:46:11.960 --> 1:46:15.720 it depends on like the optics from the from the 1:46:15.760 --> 1:46:18.200 other thirty one teams. Do they think he was in 1:46:18.240 --> 1:46:21.840 the right in this whole situation, because like there's gonna 1:46:21.840 --> 1:46:23.800 be some people in the league. I'm sure that are 1:46:23.840 --> 1:46:25.320 gonna think he's a headache right. 1:46:25.520 --> 1:46:27.719 Right, But it's it's you know, what do they think 1:46:27.760 --> 1:46:31.040 of Do they know the details what the Bengals are offering? 1:46:31.120 --> 1:46:33.240 I think does he keep the same agent or does 1:46:33.240 --> 1:46:36.240 he change agents? Yeah, that would be a factor. Does 1:46:36.240 --> 1:46:38.640 he go to the combine again? So I don't know 1:46:38.680 --> 1:46:40.439 if you can play in the spring and be eligible 1:46:40.439 --> 1:46:42.840 for the draft. I remember there was that corner two 1:46:42.880 --> 1:46:45.800 years ago who played in Canada and got drafted after 1:46:45.920 --> 1:46:49.160 not playing college football. So I don't exactly know how 1:46:49.200 --> 1:46:50.800 that works. And if I don't know how it works, 1:46:50.840 --> 1:46:52.519 it's probably a pretty complicated question. 1:46:53.240 --> 1:46:54.960 If he went to I don't tell you a factor 1:46:55.000 --> 1:46:57.200 in the spring league thing. I just know from what 1:46:57.240 --> 1:46:59.960 I understand, if he doesn't play in the NFL next year, 1:47:00.160 --> 1:47:02.439 he can re enter the point twenty I think so. 1:47:02.600 --> 1:47:04.640 But it's the amateur draft, right, So if you're in 1:47:04.640 --> 1:47:06.719 the UFL and you get paid by the UFL. 1:47:06.800 --> 1:47:09.559 Oh, it's so silly because now nil exists, so nothing is. 1:47:09.680 --> 1:47:11.800 Oh, that's true, So maybe he could so I just 1:47:11.840 --> 1:47:16.400 for reference here, Uh oh, I can't pronounce that peta 1:47:17.240 --> 1:47:24.240 peta peta two taomo pinuu. I apologize out of Utah. 1:47:24.280 --> 1:47:26.280 It was a six round pick in twenty seventeen. He 1:47:26.400 --> 1:47:28.920 led the UFL in sacks last year. He had seven 1:47:28.920 --> 1:47:31.559 and a half and nine games. Willie Taylor played ten games. 1:47:31.600 --> 1:47:33.120 He had seven. Nobody else had more than five and 1:47:33.160 --> 1:47:35.640 a half. How many you thinks schmar Stewart's getting in 1:47:35.680 --> 1:47:36.080 that league? 1:47:36.160 --> 1:47:36.720 Yeah? A lot? 1:47:37.160 --> 1:47:40.439 Right? If he goes out and it's like the guy. 1:47:40.520 --> 1:47:41.880 It would be like the guys that light up the 1:47:41.920 --> 1:47:44.000 Group of five conferences and the D two conferences where 1:47:44.000 --> 1:47:45.840 they get drafted, because yes, the numbers are going to 1:47:45.880 --> 1:47:48.719 be better, but they're so sheerly overwhelming. If Shamar Stewart 1:47:48.720 --> 1:47:51.719 really turns it up, I'll throw it out there. Twenty 1:47:51.760 --> 1:47:53.720 sacks in ten games. Let's say it's two sacks a 1:47:53.760 --> 1:47:56.960 game in UFL. There's no way he's going outside the 1:47:57.000 --> 1:47:58.519 top one hundred, and I don't know that he can do. 1:47:58.760 --> 1:48:00.559 Maybe not outside the top one hund but I still 1:48:00.880 --> 1:48:01.920 I don't think you can take that. 1:48:02.080 --> 1:48:03.360 You watched that league enough. 1:48:03.400 --> 1:48:04.919 You can't take that guy in the first. 1:48:04.680 --> 1:48:05.960 You've watched that I don't think he'd be a first 1:48:06.040 --> 1:48:07.320 UND pick, but you've watched that league enough. Do you 1:48:07.320 --> 1:48:09.320 think he get twenty sacks in ten games in that league? 1:48:10.360 --> 1:48:12.240 I don't Know't he wasn't he didn't have great sack 1:48:12.280 --> 1:48:13.240 production in college. 1:48:13.280 --> 1:48:15.200 Well that that's because Texas A and M's defense. 1:48:15.000 --> 1:48:16.880 Was Maybe, but you're right, all right, let's get to 1:48:16.920 --> 1:48:18.599 these calls and then we got to wrap it up here. 1:48:18.920 --> 1:48:26.200 Jordan is in Ohio. It's up Jordan, Jordan, all right, 1:48:27.040 --> 1:48:27.880 there you are go. 1:48:27.840 --> 1:48:30.360 For itylug and can you hear me? 1:48:30.520 --> 1:48:31.720 Yeah, go for it? What's up? 1:48:33.640 --> 1:48:36.960 Did you did you guys hear anything about Colin is 1:48:37.479 --> 1:48:38.639 injury coming back? 1:48:38.720 --> 1:48:42.760 If he if he pulled, Yeah, thanks for the college Jordan. 1:48:42.840 --> 1:48:44.679 Now he is a full go. He was out there today, 1:48:44.840 --> 1:48:48.479 not on the list, not on pup. Uh, so he's 1:48:48.520 --> 1:48:51.160 good to go. It seems like and uh, you know 1:48:51.200 --> 1:48:53.160 out there in the team it was twenty three and 1:48:53.280 --> 1:48:55.719 five back there at safety with the first team defense. 1:48:55.760 --> 1:48:59.640 So Jabriel Pepper is Kyle Dugger back home out in 1:48:59.680 --> 1:49:03.559 their charting roles as of right now. I'll continue to 1:49:03.600 --> 1:49:08.920 say I don't let's not totally forget because the last year, 1:49:09.479 --> 1:49:12.200 that two years ago, Kyle Dugger and Jabrill Peppers were 1:49:12.240 --> 1:49:16.080 considered a formidable safety dandem, you know, probably top ten 1:49:16.120 --> 1:49:19.080 safety deal in the league. That was just two years ago. 1:49:19.160 --> 1:49:21.439 I think they still can be. They weren't. Neither one 1:49:21.439 --> 1:49:23.599 of them was healthy really had any point last year. 1:49:23.640 --> 1:49:24.280 Pepper said all. 1:49:24.240 --> 1:49:27.920 The Peppers had all the offense stuff on top of that. Like, now, 1:49:28.360 --> 1:49:30.360 if they'll be healthy is a fair question. That's really 1:49:30.360 --> 1:49:33.240 my lone concern with their secondary. If those two guys 1:49:33.280 --> 1:49:36.080 are fully healthy. Between those two again, I think can 1:49:36.120 --> 1:49:38.320 be a top ten safety duo. I love both those players. 1:49:38.360 --> 1:49:40.639 I think Jabrill Peppers one of the most underrated players 1:49:40.680 --> 1:49:43.519 in the NFL at this point. Obviously, Carlton Davis, Christian 1:49:43.520 --> 1:49:45.360 is auz what they can do that speaks for themselves. 1:49:45.560 --> 1:49:48.200 Marcus Jones a really good slot corner. I like Alex 1:49:48.240 --> 1:49:50.759 Saustin is a depth I like Jalen Hawkins and Marcus 1:49:50.760 --> 1:49:52.880 Eps's depth, and Craig Woodson seems like he might have 1:49:52.920 --> 1:49:55.960 something going there. Yeah, the only question for me, because 1:49:55.960 --> 1:49:59.280 it's legitimate, if like how healthy are Kyle dug and 1:49:59.360 --> 1:50:01.360 Jabrill Peppers and how healthy will they stay this season 1:50:01.439 --> 1:50:03.800 because both those guys every history injuries. But if those 1:50:03.840 --> 1:50:05.559 guys are one hundred percent, they're game changers. 1:50:05.720 --> 1:50:07.960 There's inherently always going to be some boom robust to 1:50:08.000 --> 1:50:10.240 Kyle Duggar's game. I don't think Kyle dugger is a 1:50:10.240 --> 1:50:12.759 Devin McCarty type where he's going to be a Simon 1:50:12.880 --> 1:50:15.120 sound on every single play and always in the right 1:50:15.120 --> 1:50:17.720 place and never making glaring mistakes and all that type 1:50:17.760 --> 1:50:19.719 of stuff. I just don't think that that's his game. 1:50:19.760 --> 1:50:22.040 But going back to twenty three. Like he was a 1:50:22.080 --> 1:50:25.080 turnover machine for a couple of years there, like pick sixes, 1:50:25.400 --> 1:50:28.880 return touchdowns, getting his you know, getting his hands on 1:50:28.880 --> 1:50:32.599 the football constantly around the football. He was a much 1:50:32.600 --> 1:50:35.120 better player a couple of years ago before that ankle 1:50:35.120 --> 1:50:38.880 injury last year. I think the ankle I think that 1:50:39.040 --> 1:50:41.720 started to have his season snowball on him. Was the 1:50:41.760 --> 1:50:43.599 injury was the main reason, but I think it also 1:50:43.640 --> 1:50:46.600 snowballed on him mentally once he like couldn't move the 1:50:46.640 --> 1:50:48.599 way that he needed to move, and then you know, 1:50:48.640 --> 1:50:50.720 then from there his brain just got scrambled and he 1:50:50.800 --> 1:50:53.800 just wasn't seeing the game fast enough and his game 1:50:53.840 --> 1:50:56.559 fell apart. But I don't mean to like put it 1:50:56.600 --> 1:50:59.200 all on the coaching staffs of last year and this year, 1:50:59.240 --> 1:51:02.720 But Kyle Dugger and Jabil Peppers are two players that 1:51:02.760 --> 1:51:04.479 I think I have a chance to both bounce back 1:51:04.960 --> 1:51:07.280 and be the players that we saw two years ago. 1:51:07.360 --> 1:51:09.360 Now that doesn't make them, you know, Rodney Harrison and 1:51:09.520 --> 1:51:12.599 Ed Reed right, Like, no one's saying that, But if 1:51:12.640 --> 1:51:15.040 they can be what they were two years ago, I 1:51:15.479 --> 1:51:18.200 like their safety room, I like their duo as a 1:51:18.240 --> 1:51:21.599 starting duo. I still think they can be productive players 1:51:21.600 --> 1:51:24.439 in this league. All right, Eric is in Quincy. Wrap 1:51:24.479 --> 1:51:31.640 it on, Eric, what's up Eric? Eric? Of course, the 1:51:31.720 --> 1:51:35.719 last call we left us saying it's okay, Eric, maybe 1:51:35.720 --> 1:51:38.160 you can call in next next week as well. So 1:51:38.800 --> 1:51:41.360 that is gonna do it for today's show. Next week. 1:51:41.400 --> 1:51:43.440 I feel like we're gonna have a lot more to say. 1:51:43.680 --> 1:51:44.920 This was one practice I did. 1:51:44.960 --> 1:51:46.680 We'll have a padded practice or two under the belt 1:51:46.720 --> 1:51:48.120 by then, right, should be two or three? 1:51:48.240 --> 1:51:48.439 Yep? 1:51:48.479 --> 1:51:48.880 What is it? 1:51:48.880 --> 1:51:52.680 So wait, it's I believe I believe, don't quote me. 1:51:53.040 --> 1:51:55.080 I believe Monday is gonna be the first PATI. 1:51:55.280 --> 1:51:58.439 So it'll be Wednesday, Thursday, Friday, Saturday, they're off on Sunday, 1:51:58.439 --> 1:51:59.439 and then first padded practice. 1:51:59.600 --> 1:52:01.840 I believe are gonna get Monday, Tuesday, Wednesday, paths. 1:52:01.880 --> 1:52:03.000 That's usually how that lines up. 1:52:03.160 --> 1:52:08.080 Yes, So next Wednesday, same time, same place. We will 1:52:08.120 --> 1:52:11.960 have multiple practices and multiple padded practices, so have a 1:52:11.960 --> 1:52:13.000 lot more to digest. 1:52:13.120 --> 1:52:16.559 Same time, by the way, means like two fifteen two ish. 1:52:16.680 --> 1:52:19.639 Yeah, yeah, and we're gonna have a lot more to digest. 1:52:19.760 --> 1:52:23.519 So that'll be fun. That'll be good. But we wanted 1:52:23.560 --> 1:52:26.439 to give you as much of a symnopsis as we 1:52:26.520 --> 1:52:30.439 could of today's practice, not overreacting today's practice given the 1:52:30.520 --> 1:52:32.559 fact that it was such a small sample size. But 1:52:32.640 --> 1:52:35.040 next week we'll be back. We'll have some padded practices 1:52:35.080 --> 1:52:37.920 under our belt to discuss, and training camp will be 1:52:37.960 --> 1:52:41.599 fully underway a week from today, so we'll be good 1:52:41.600 --> 1:52:44.479 to go. But until then, signing off for Alex behind 1:52:44.479 --> 1:52:46.960 the Glass Alex Barth Evan Lazarre will see you guys 1:52:46.960 --> 1:52:47.360 next week. 1:52:50.520 --> 1:52:52.639 Hey, this is Deuce. Thanks for tuning into the show. 1:52:52.760 --> 1:52:54.320 If you really want to help us, make sure you 1:52:54.439 --> 1:52:56.879 like us wherever you get your podcasts, like Apple Podcasts 1:52:56.920 --> 1:52:57.680 or Spotify. 1:52:57.840 --> 1:52:59.479 Also make sure you follow us on the New England 1:52:59.520 --> 1:53:01.880 Patriot JE channel to see this show and everything else 1:53:01.880 --> 1:53:03.800 that we do here at the Patriots. Thanks a lot