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Speaker 1: This is the Patriots Catch twenty two podcasts with Evan

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Speaker 1: Lazar and Alex Bars, Bizarre and Lazarre.

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Speaker 2: He everybody nailed it, joined us always by our bark.

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Speaker 2: Here is Evan Lazar and Alex Bars. So starting with

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Speaker 2: the defensive line, we always joke about this. You get

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Speaker 2: into the weeds of what's a defensive lineman? What's an

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Speaker 2: edge defender? Do you even like the term edge defender?

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Speaker 2: Now you hate it?

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Speaker 1: Who? This year Madden put it in the game.

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Speaker 2: I figured since Mad, since Madden put it into the.

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Speaker 1: Game, that's why not.

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Speaker 2: Because I've been telling you it exists for like five years.

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Speaker 2: But now that it's in Madden, it's finally on your roster.

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Speaker 2: I'll tell you honestly why I did it. And this

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Speaker 2: is how I've always felt about edge. I think where

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Speaker 2: edge is when you go through the draft. There are

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Speaker 2: guys that, depending on what team drafts them and what

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Speaker 2: system they'll be playing in, do you have to call

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Speaker 2: them an edge because you don't know. The thing that

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Speaker 2: always bugged me is once they're on a team, you

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Speaker 2: know what position they're playing because you can put them

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Speaker 2: in that system.

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Speaker 1: So it makes it a little clearer. But we don't

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Speaker 1: exactly know how this Vrabel system is going to use

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Speaker 1: certain guys, So this might be one year thing for me.

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Speaker 1: I might go back next year when we have a

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Speaker 1: better look at this defense. But for the time being,

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Speaker 1: it can go either way. So I felt, why I

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Speaker 1: use it? This year?

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Speaker 2: We are back. Football is back. I am back, the

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Speaker 2: show is back. Everything's back. This week. I love it.

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Speaker 2: I love it. Patriots football. Can we say officially unofficially?

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Speaker 1: I don't know.

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Speaker 2: First day of training camp. So Patriots football.

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Speaker 1: Is we do this like four or five times a year.

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Speaker 1: We will try not to do this. I know we

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Speaker 1: do it for this. We do it the preseason opener,

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Speaker 1: we do it for the opener, and then we do

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Speaker 1: it for the home opener Hall of Fame game. Well,

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Speaker 1: there's like football. Okay, So here's the thing. There's two

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Speaker 1: Football's back, which is today, especially now that what is

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Speaker 1: this now three or four years the league has done

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Speaker 1: be kind of scattered. Yeah, the Hall of Fame team

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Speaker 1: started a little bit. But there's two Football is back days.

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Speaker 1: There's three. There's today, which is football is back. There's

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Speaker 1: football is back on TV, which is the Hall of

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Speaker 1: Fame game, and then I'll give you another Football's Back

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Speaker 1: for week one.

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Speaker 2: I would say, there's in my mind, there's two. Football

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Speaker 2: is back. Today is definitely football is back training camps

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Speaker 2: like that's the meat and potatoes at the end of the.

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Speaker 1: I would saying to people the other day, it was like,

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Speaker 1: I'll foot like practice starts tomorrow. I'll see you again

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Speaker 1: on April twenty sixth exactly, which is the day after

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Speaker 1: the third round of the draft.

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Speaker 2: Of course you would know that already. But anyways, we're back.

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Speaker 2: Football is back. We're gonna be breaking down the Patriots

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Speaker 2: first day of training camp of the twenty twenty five

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Speaker 2: season with you for the next couple of hours. We

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Speaker 2: were late because of Alex. It's Alex fault.

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Speaker 3: He was late.

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Speaker 2: I was ready to go. You had to be a

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Speaker 1: Gonna be too. Ten to twelve. I was on with Zoe.

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Speaker 1: I think Zoe, it's somewhere to go to. Zoe was

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Speaker 1: very instant. We had a good ninety five Sports of

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Speaker 2: Very good. So uh, that's why We're a little bit

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Speaker 2: but this is probably gonna be just some bookkeeping. This

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Speaker 2: will probably be our time slot barring any unforeseen practice

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Speaker 2: Day one of camp. Nice day, beautiful day out there.

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Speaker 2: So this was not exactly a high sample size. Next week,

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Speaker 1: We just take it with that learned today. It's not

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Speaker 2: my understanding of PUP is that until you actually get

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Speaker 2: So the biggest thing to me, as far as I

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Speaker 2: What Matt Collins was doing was was a whole lot

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Speaker 2: as I just made it. Jalen Polk, Mac Collins, Austin Hooper,

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Speaker 2: looked great. Yeah, and Steffon Diggs caught the very first

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Speaker 1: Very first eleven on eleven two a practice.

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Speaker 2: I know you would field the very very first play

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Speaker 2: I'm going I'm going positive. I'll get to it. I'm

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Speaker 1: This was after a fall start. But if it's I'm

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Speaker 2: The very first rep that actually counted was a Drake

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Speaker 2: Stefon Diggs and Drake may connecting on when you made

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Speaker 2: the signing and right out of the shoot, they wasted

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Speaker 2: no time. They already got on the board. Digs caught

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Speaker 2: things to come. But they worked a lot on their

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Speaker 1: That's what the biggest thing is to me is these

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Speaker 2: Does he want Drake to throw it? Where? Does he want?

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Speaker 2: faking or is he actually breaking that way? Like those

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Speaker 2: I feel like I was reserved about it because of

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Speaker 2: He's thirty two years old, he's coming off of torn

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Speaker 2: I'm starting to get pretty jazzed up about Stefan Diggs

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Speaker 2: just don't see why we should have anything other than

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Speaker 2: that expectation, not to say, you know, not to set

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Speaker 1: I mean, we've been down this road so many times

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Speaker 1: He's been great. He's given you really everything you want

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Speaker 1: there's expectations that come with that. You know, you're not

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Speaker 2: Yeah, And the last thing on Diggs, and then I

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Speaker 2: But some of the things that I did see that

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Speaker 2: sort of just scheme for Josh McDaniels, Like they're very

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Speaker 2: And I can't emphasize enough, and I said this on

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Speaker 2: Yeah, it's a good point now to complete the compliment

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Speaker 2: Obviously the Patriots rookie first day of training camp, catches

437
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Speaker 2: two passes, makes two plays, caught a back shoulder fade,

438
00:20:02,080 --> 00:20:05,679
Speaker 2: an isolation on the backside against Christian Gonzales, which is

439
00:20:05,720 --> 00:20:08,000
Speaker 2: great to see you finished through some contact.

440
00:20:07,640 --> 00:20:10,080
Speaker 1: There as well as say he won a hand fight.

441
00:20:10,200 --> 00:20:11,320
Speaker 1: That was kind of my industry.

442
00:20:11,400 --> 00:20:14,520
Speaker 2: Yeah, I think it's not contact this time.

443
00:20:14,680 --> 00:20:16,359
Speaker 1: No, it wasn't like a jump ball. It was a

444
00:20:16,359 --> 00:20:18,840
Speaker 1: comeback and they kind of got they kind of got

445
00:20:18,880 --> 00:20:21,120
Speaker 1: tied up at the top of the route and it's

446
00:20:21,200 --> 00:20:23,480
Speaker 1: one of those things like in a game. All right.

447
00:20:23,560 --> 00:20:25,919
Speaker 1: They both probably pushed a little bit, so you just

448
00:20:26,000 --> 00:20:28,199
Speaker 1: keep the flag in the pocket. And nothing was egregious.

449
00:20:28,640 --> 00:20:31,880
Speaker 1: But Kyle Williams between the hand placement all that won

450
00:20:31,920 --> 00:20:34,280
Speaker 1: the leverage and he created the separation to get the ball.

451
00:20:34,680 --> 00:20:36,560
Speaker 2: It's good to see him do that because that's not

452
00:20:36,600 --> 00:20:40,520
Speaker 2: necessarily his game and it's kind of the knock on him. Frankly.

453
00:20:41,400 --> 00:20:43,919
Speaker 2: If it doesn't work out for Kyle Williams in the league,

454
00:20:43,920 --> 00:20:47,200
Speaker 2: it's going to be because of strength at the catch

455
00:20:47,280 --> 00:20:49,479
Speaker 2: point and being able to make those types of plays.

456
00:20:49,720 --> 00:20:51,919
Speaker 2: That was a standout play because of that. But the

457
00:20:51,920 --> 00:20:55,040
Speaker 2: other play that he made, the underneath crosser, he ran

458
00:20:55,160 --> 00:20:58,280
Speaker 2: right away from robertsplane like I was standing up the top.

459
00:20:58,320 --> 00:21:00,919
Speaker 2: We were doing our show and Roberts Blaine did not

460
00:21:00,960 --> 00:21:03,159
Speaker 2: have the angle on him like he was not catching him,

461
00:21:03,200 --> 00:21:05,760
Speaker 2: he was turning up the sideline, so you see those

462
00:21:05,840 --> 00:21:08,160
Speaker 2: catching runs. I like that play from Drake too, because

463
00:21:08,200 --> 00:21:10,720
Speaker 2: it seemed like he read the progression through and got

464
00:21:10,760 --> 00:21:12,720
Speaker 2: down to the checkdown. He kind of went, you know,

465
00:21:13,160 --> 00:21:16,000
Speaker 2: from deep to check down there on that play and

466
00:21:16,160 --> 00:21:19,440
Speaker 2: almost like a full field read and and Kyle Williams

467
00:21:19,480 --> 00:21:22,920
Speaker 2: is just on a shallow crosser underneath the formation there,

468
00:21:23,520 --> 00:21:26,639
Speaker 2: just won a foot race against Robert Splaine over the

469
00:21:26,640 --> 00:21:29,040
Speaker 2: middle of the field and turned up field and had

470
00:21:29,040 --> 00:21:30,879
Speaker 2: some yards after the catch on that play as well,

471
00:21:30,920 --> 00:21:32,359
Speaker 2: So you got a little bit of both. You got

472
00:21:32,560 --> 00:21:35,399
Speaker 2: him lining up on the outside on the backside against

473
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Speaker 2: Gonzo and making a play in some tight coverage, and

474
00:21:38,040 --> 00:21:40,720
Speaker 2: then you also had the wheels, you know, the burst

475
00:21:40,760 --> 00:21:41,760
Speaker 2: after the catch there too.

476
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Speaker 1: I still think though, just based off what we saw

477
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Speaker 1: today again early, we shall almost change that lower third

478
00:21:48,400 --> 00:21:52,560
Speaker 1: to just say again or disclaimer one practice, right, But

479
00:21:53,520 --> 00:21:55,119
Speaker 1: it kind of feels like you're setting up Kyle Williams

480
00:21:55,160 --> 00:21:57,639
Speaker 1: to be the X and maybe he's going to do

481
00:21:57,760 --> 00:22:01,240
Speaker 1: some not X type things from that spot. And we've

482
00:22:01,240 --> 00:22:03,879
Speaker 1: talked about this. Brandon Cooks deon Branch like it's happened

483
00:22:03,920 --> 00:22:06,960
Speaker 1: in McDaniel's offense before. But it does feel like they're

484
00:22:07,040 --> 00:22:09,560
Speaker 1: they're kind of lining things up for him to be

485
00:22:09,600 --> 00:22:09,879
Speaker 1: the X.

486
00:22:10,440 --> 00:22:10,640
Speaker 2: One.

487
00:22:10,680 --> 00:22:13,320
Speaker 1: Other standout catch, got to give credit to Kendrick Bourne.

488
00:22:13,720 --> 00:22:15,400
Speaker 1: It was a good probably at the catch of the day,

489
00:22:16,040 --> 00:22:19,119
Speaker 1: goes up over. It was Craig Woodson right, and it

490
00:22:19,160 --> 00:22:21,760
Speaker 1: was Josh Dobbs underthrew him. It shouldn't have been a

491
00:22:21,840 --> 00:22:26,040
Speaker 1: jump ball. It became a jump ball and just ripped

492
00:22:26,080 --> 00:22:29,000
Speaker 1: it away from got up the ladder, ripped it away

493
00:22:29,040 --> 00:22:31,959
Speaker 1: from Woodson, held on through contact as he hit the ground.

494
00:22:32,359 --> 00:22:33,480
Speaker 1: Nice play, all right.

495
00:22:33,520 --> 00:22:36,520
Speaker 2: So that was all the positives, at least on the offense.

496
00:22:37,280 --> 00:22:41,000
Speaker 2: I think defensively today there wasn't a ton to glean

497
00:22:41,119 --> 00:22:43,480
Speaker 2: except for where guys are playing and Davis being out

498
00:22:43,480 --> 00:22:47,680
Speaker 2: there was good to see. But the compliment Sandwich, I'll.

499
00:22:47,520 --> 00:22:48,959
Speaker 1: Just say this for the defense. Here's my one thing

500
00:22:48,960 --> 00:22:52,640
Speaker 1: with the defense, Like the speed thing is real. We

501
00:22:52,720 --> 00:22:55,520
Speaker 1: talked about them adding this speed and explosiveness on defense

502
00:22:55,520 --> 00:22:57,520
Speaker 1: and that felt like it was a focus this offseason

503
00:22:58,400 --> 00:23:01,119
Speaker 1: and they it looked like they did that. Like the

504
00:23:01,960 --> 00:23:06,680
Speaker 1: uh Harold Landry, Milton Williams, Robert Splane these guys are

505
00:23:06,680 --> 00:23:09,760
Speaker 1: flying around. Now. The question is we do this with

506
00:23:09,800 --> 00:23:10,560
Speaker 1: receivers all the time?

507
00:23:10,640 --> 00:23:10,800
Speaker 5: Right?

508
00:23:10,840 --> 00:23:13,560
Speaker 1: Does that speed still play when the pads come on?

509
00:23:14,320 --> 00:23:16,879
Speaker 1: So we'll see that in three or four days, whatever

510
00:23:16,920 --> 00:23:20,720
Speaker 1: it is. But no, they're I mean this, it looks different.

511
00:23:20,920 --> 00:23:24,200
Speaker 1: There's another level of explosiveness on this, specifically the front

512
00:23:24,240 --> 00:23:27,080
Speaker 1: the secondary they've always had. I mean, Devin mccordy's incredibly fast.

513
00:23:27,119 --> 00:23:30,520
Speaker 1: I was at speeding secondary the front like it's a

514
00:23:30,560 --> 00:23:33,719
Speaker 1: different It's so clearly a different prototype of player than

515
00:23:33,760 --> 00:23:35,560
Speaker 1: what we've seen here for a long time. And again

516
00:23:35,760 --> 00:23:38,359
Speaker 1: now it's just when the pads come on. We've talked

517
00:23:38,359 --> 00:23:40,720
Speaker 1: about this. The run defense is probably my big concern.

518
00:23:41,280 --> 00:23:42,520
Speaker 1: We're not going to get to see that for another

519
00:23:42,560 --> 00:23:43,960
Speaker 1: couple of days. But I liked what I saw today

520
00:23:44,000 --> 00:23:45,840
Speaker 1: in terms of the get off of the defense.

521
00:23:45,520 --> 00:23:48,320
Speaker 2: So that that would be the plus side was that

522
00:23:48,400 --> 00:23:51,600
Speaker 2: I thought the defensive front really controlled practice in this

523
00:23:51,720 --> 00:23:54,399
Speaker 2: game for a long portions of the team drills that

524
00:23:54,440 --> 00:23:56,840
Speaker 2: we did see. So you can take that one of

525
00:23:56,880 --> 00:23:58,680
Speaker 2: two ways. And I know people will, I know your

526
00:23:58,760 --> 00:24:00,680
Speaker 2: your station, will right your station? Will?

527
00:24:01,320 --> 00:24:04,639
Speaker 1: I don't care negative, I really don't care what happens

528
00:24:04,720 --> 00:24:06,360
Speaker 1: up front until the pads come on good or bad.

529
00:24:06,400 --> 00:24:09,480
Speaker 2: I really don't care that's fair, but based off of

530
00:24:09,560 --> 00:24:11,399
Speaker 2: what we saw, because we have to talk about what

531
00:24:11,440 --> 00:24:14,960
Speaker 2: we saw today, it's all we can do. I don't

532
00:24:15,000 --> 00:24:19,760
Speaker 2: necessarily know where I stand with charting practice sacks because

533
00:24:19,760 --> 00:24:23,520
Speaker 2: I feel like practice it's so it's really hard to

534
00:24:23,680 --> 00:24:25,679
Speaker 2: determine whether or not it would truly have been a

535
00:24:25,720 --> 00:24:27,440
Speaker 2: sack or not. You don't know if he's going to

536
00:24:27,480 --> 00:24:30,000
Speaker 2: get the quarterback on the ground. It's live bullets and

537
00:24:30,040 --> 00:24:31,920
Speaker 2: you're just trying to watch it all and digest it

538
00:24:31,960 --> 00:24:35,280
Speaker 2: all without the benefit of reviewing the practice tape after

539
00:24:35,320 --> 00:24:38,280
Speaker 2: the fact. It's really hard to say sometimes if they

540
00:24:38,280 --> 00:24:40,240
Speaker 2: were truly sacks or not. But let's just call it

541
00:24:40,280 --> 00:24:42,600
Speaker 2: for what it was. There was pressure on the quarterback

542
00:24:42,880 --> 00:24:46,359
Speaker 2: when Drake May was out there. You Milton Williams, Keon White.

543
00:24:46,680 --> 00:24:49,600
Speaker 2: I saw Harold Andre Chason got on there, got in

544
00:24:49,640 --> 00:24:52,640
Speaker 2: there one time off the edge. There was probably four

545
00:24:52,720 --> 00:24:56,040
Speaker 2: or five times where the pocket broke down on the quarterback.

546
00:24:56,119 --> 00:25:00,199
Speaker 2: And this is a conversation that we're not paid hit

547
00:25:00,200 --> 00:25:03,280
Speaker 2: againty panic buttons this early on. But I understand it's

548
00:25:03,280 --> 00:25:05,400
Speaker 2: going to strike a nerve for some people because here

549
00:25:05,440 --> 00:25:07,560
Speaker 2: we go again, right with the offensive line and the

550
00:25:07,600 --> 00:25:10,680
Speaker 2: blocking up front. But I want to mainly talk about

551
00:25:10,760 --> 00:25:13,760
Speaker 2: not necessarily the results because like you said, no pads,

552
00:25:13,800 --> 00:25:15,480
Speaker 2: Like we'll get to the results as it is, but

553
00:25:15,760 --> 00:25:18,679
Speaker 2: there still seems to be some moving parts as we

554
00:25:18,760 --> 00:25:21,919
Speaker 2: expected on the interior of this offensive line, and this

555
00:25:22,000 --> 00:25:27,040
Speaker 2: to me really is where they could improve significantly the

556
00:25:28,040 --> 00:25:30,600
Speaker 2: upside of the line, and that is, you know, Jared

557
00:25:30,600 --> 00:25:33,439
Speaker 2: Wilson aren't getting some reps at center. And it's no

558
00:25:33,560 --> 00:25:36,520
Speaker 2: disrespect to Garrett Bradbury at all. He's a veteran player,

559
00:25:36,520 --> 00:25:39,040
Speaker 2: he's been around. If he's the starter come week one,

560
00:25:39,080 --> 00:25:41,600
Speaker 2: it makes sense. It's similar to like breaking in a

561
00:25:41,640 --> 00:25:43,840
Speaker 2: young quarterback, right You don't want to just throw Jared

562
00:25:43,880 --> 00:25:47,920
Speaker 2: Wilson to the Wolves right away. But Jared Wilson, it

563
00:25:47,960 --> 00:25:51,679
Speaker 2: was Garrett Bradbury got like the first round of reps

564
00:25:51,680 --> 00:25:54,600
Speaker 2: with Drake May and and then Jared Wilson got Drake

565
00:25:54,640 --> 00:25:58,200
Speaker 2: May's second time through in the team periods. So Jared

566
00:25:58,200 --> 00:26:01,040
Speaker 2: Wilson's at least starting to mix in. That's a positive

567
00:26:01,080 --> 00:26:03,880
Speaker 2: in my mind for sure, just because we didn't see

568
00:26:03,920 --> 00:26:06,080
Speaker 2: him at all in the spring really doing teams so

569
00:26:06,080 --> 00:26:09,120
Speaker 2: he's doing team now and he's already starting to mix

570
00:26:09,200 --> 00:26:12,760
Speaker 2: in a little bit at center. So the line, even

571
00:26:12,760 --> 00:26:15,840
Speaker 2: though it's much younger, in an experience, you do feel

572
00:26:15,880 --> 00:26:19,800
Speaker 2: like the talent overall elevates if Jared Wilson's the center

573
00:26:19,880 --> 00:26:21,119
Speaker 2: and not Garrett Bradberry.

574
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Speaker 1: Like I told you, I've been saying this since the draft.

575
00:26:24,080 --> 00:26:27,080
Speaker 1: I think he's in the conversation for week one, I do.

576
00:26:27,400 --> 00:26:29,680
Speaker 1: And what you saw today was a guy that that's

577
00:26:29,720 --> 00:26:32,920
Speaker 1: a battle. One guy went, then the other guy went,

578
00:26:33,119 --> 00:26:35,679
Speaker 1: and we're not at the stage where we're evaluating it.

579
00:26:35,720 --> 00:26:38,240
Speaker 1: I guess with centers, pads or no pads. You want

580
00:26:38,280 --> 00:26:40,639
Speaker 1: to look at the snaps. I didn't see any bad snaps.

581
00:26:40,640 --> 00:26:41,840
Speaker 1: I don't know if I missed one, but.

582
00:26:43,520 --> 00:26:45,600
Speaker 2: Woolridge dropped one. But I don't think that.

583
00:26:45,520 --> 00:26:47,879
Speaker 1: Was That wasn't either of those guys. So okay, So

584
00:26:48,240 --> 00:26:51,919
Speaker 1: that's a real position battle. That's a competition. That's what

585
00:26:51,960 --> 00:26:54,280
Speaker 1: that is. One of those guys is going to start one, isn't.

586
00:26:54,280 --> 00:26:57,240
Speaker 1: They're both getting shots with top offense. The other three

587
00:26:57,280 --> 00:26:59,679
Speaker 1: spots or three of the other spots are relatively settled.

588
00:26:59,720 --> 00:27:02,840
Speaker 1: Morgan Moses was switch switching out. I think that's probably

589
00:27:02,880 --> 00:27:05,440
Speaker 1: load management as much as anything else. Now, it does

590
00:27:05,480 --> 00:27:07,720
Speaker 1: tell us to mantre Jacobs is probably the favorite to

591
00:27:07,760 --> 00:27:09,960
Speaker 1: be the backup right tackle, which makes sense when we

592
00:27:09,960 --> 00:27:11,879
Speaker 1: see Kayan Wallace working at guard as much as we

593
00:27:11,920 --> 00:27:15,720
Speaker 1: did today, and well, but that's on the right side.

594
00:27:16,160 --> 00:27:19,720
Speaker 1: Varian Low anyway, well we've seen him on the right side.

595
00:27:20,040 --> 00:27:22,879
Speaker 1: But you know, Cole Strange didn't rotate out, did he

596
00:27:22,920 --> 00:27:23,679
Speaker 1: with the tok room.

597
00:27:23,640 --> 00:27:26,040
Speaker 2: No, the top group, but you know, was pretty consistent

598
00:27:26,119 --> 00:27:28,440
Speaker 2: those scores just the center.

599
00:27:28,680 --> 00:27:31,320
Speaker 1: So maybe the battle may. I wouldn't be surprised if

600
00:27:31,320 --> 00:27:33,480
Speaker 1: Strange he gets competition at some point. That won't be

601
00:27:34,040 --> 00:27:35,600
Speaker 1: I don't think that'll be soon. I think that'll be

602
00:27:35,640 --> 00:27:37,320
Speaker 1: when the pads come on, if he starts to stumble

603
00:27:37,320 --> 00:27:39,160
Speaker 1: a little bit. But you know, four of those five

604
00:27:39,200 --> 00:27:41,600
Speaker 1: spots are set, and if Jared Wilson wins out, I

605
00:27:41,600 --> 00:27:43,879
Speaker 1: feel good about that. It's not going to be the

606
00:27:43,880 --> 00:27:45,879
Speaker 1: best offensive line in football, but it's not going to

607
00:27:45,920 --> 00:27:48,080
Speaker 1: be the worst either, And it's you know, I think,

608
00:27:48,200 --> 00:27:50,040
Speaker 1: probably somewhere closer to the middle, which if they can

609
00:27:50,080 --> 00:27:52,400
Speaker 1: get to average from where they were last year, there's

610
00:27:52,400 --> 00:27:53,560
Speaker 1: still work to do. But if they can get to

611
00:27:53,640 --> 00:27:57,520
Speaker 1: average in one offseason from historically bad. I think you

612
00:27:57,560 --> 00:27:59,560
Speaker 1: feel good about that, but no that I was telling

613
00:27:59,600 --> 00:28:01,560
Speaker 1: you that Jared Wilson one's going to be one to watch.

614
00:28:01,600 --> 00:28:04,359
Speaker 1: That kid can play. I know he's young and he's inexperienced.

615
00:28:04,720 --> 00:28:08,160
Speaker 1: He's incredibly athletic for that small spot. It's really smart.

616
00:28:08,680 --> 00:28:10,480
Speaker 1: Plays what he plays with a little bit of nasty,

617
00:28:10,520 --> 00:28:13,159
Speaker 1: which will help him. Kid can play. I'm excited to

618
00:28:13,160 --> 00:28:13,800
Speaker 1: see what he can do.

619
00:28:14,000 --> 00:28:16,080
Speaker 2: It's fun to think about some of the things that

620
00:28:16,119 --> 00:28:19,400
Speaker 2: they can do with him on the move as a center.

621
00:28:19,480 --> 00:28:22,880
Speaker 2: Like it's so he's a rare athlete for that position,

622
00:28:23,040 --> 00:28:25,560
Speaker 2: and when you have a rare athlete at the center position,

623
00:28:25,640 --> 00:28:28,600
Speaker 2: it just makes your entire line faster as a group.

624
00:28:28,880 --> 00:28:31,280
Speaker 2: And so the way that you can reach outside you know,

625
00:28:31,280 --> 00:28:33,719
Speaker 2: on a stretch player outside zone play, you know, if

626
00:28:33,760 --> 00:28:36,720
Speaker 2: he can overtake you know, someone in the a gap

627
00:28:36,840 --> 00:28:39,080
Speaker 2: or you know a three technique or something like that.

628
00:28:39,120 --> 00:28:41,560
Speaker 2: Like that's a hard block to make, but certain guys

629
00:28:41,560 --> 00:28:44,360
Speaker 2: that are explosive in ours athletic as he is, might

630
00:28:44,360 --> 00:28:47,160
Speaker 2: be able to make them. You know, talking about getting

631
00:28:47,240 --> 00:28:49,480
Speaker 2: him and like Will Campbell out in front of a screen,

632
00:28:49,840 --> 00:28:52,200
Speaker 2: right like those two guys in space that they can

633
00:28:52,280 --> 00:28:54,640
Speaker 2: chop guys down and they can cover ground and they

634
00:28:54,640 --> 00:28:57,840
Speaker 2: can do those different types of things toss plays, you know,

635
00:28:57,920 --> 00:29:00,680
Speaker 2: getting him up to the second level of the defense

636
00:29:00,960 --> 00:29:03,840
Speaker 2: on a run play as well. That that's something that

637
00:29:03,880 --> 00:29:08,120
Speaker 2: I think is potentially a really exciting, you know, kind

638
00:29:08,160 --> 00:29:11,920
Speaker 2: of strength of Jared Wilson. So maybe this this settles

639
00:29:12,120 --> 00:29:14,640
Speaker 2: with Jared Wilson at center. Maybe that makes everybody feel

640
00:29:14,640 --> 00:29:17,920
Speaker 2: a little bit better on paper. Again, I when it

641
00:29:17,960 --> 00:29:19,960
Speaker 2: comes to this time of year, there's two things, Like one,

642
00:29:20,360 --> 00:29:23,280
Speaker 2: you can't really block anybody, Like you're not like really

643
00:29:24,080 --> 00:29:26,800
Speaker 2: being physical, you know, you're kind of like sliding your

644
00:29:26,840 --> 00:29:29,120
Speaker 2: feet like it's basketball and just like trying to stay

645
00:29:29,160 --> 00:29:31,959
Speaker 2: in front of your guy as a defender in basketball

646
00:29:32,240 --> 00:29:33,840
Speaker 2: would this time of year. And the other thing is

647
00:29:33,840 --> 00:29:35,800
Speaker 2: is that you're not there's not really a thread of

648
00:29:35,840 --> 00:29:39,080
Speaker 2: the run, like you're not really like going in a

649
00:29:39,200 --> 00:29:41,640
Speaker 2: in a drill or in a team period where the

650
00:29:41,640 --> 00:29:43,880
Speaker 2: defense has to like be honest about that.

651
00:29:44,120 --> 00:29:46,520
Speaker 1: I was actually gonna say because usually this time of year,

652
00:29:47,560 --> 00:29:49,840
Speaker 1: you know, you run ten reps, you throw nine, and

653
00:29:49,880 --> 00:29:51,840
Speaker 1: they might mix a run play in there just to

654
00:29:51,920 --> 00:29:54,040
Speaker 1: keep the defense honest. Even if it's you can't really

655
00:29:54,080 --> 00:29:55,760
Speaker 1: do anything with it. I felt like they were mixing

656
00:29:55,840 --> 00:29:57,600
Speaker 1: the run. I don't know the last time I saw

657
00:29:57,600 --> 00:29:59,600
Speaker 1: a run mixed in that much in a non padded product.

658
00:29:59,760 --> 00:30:02,640
Speaker 2: Yeah, each guy got like each quarterback, I mean, got

659
00:30:02,680 --> 00:30:04,080
Speaker 2: maybe two or three runs.

660
00:30:03,800 --> 00:30:06,320
Speaker 1: Per That feels like more than what we've usually seen

661
00:30:06,400 --> 00:30:07,239
Speaker 1: right in that little bit.

662
00:30:07,360 --> 00:30:09,040
Speaker 2: And one of the things that stood out to me is,

663
00:30:09,040 --> 00:30:11,680
Speaker 2: I thought, and getting it just one day, so we're

664
00:30:11,680 --> 00:30:13,400
Speaker 2: gonna have to see the whole look of it once

665
00:30:13,440 --> 00:30:16,160
Speaker 2: it we move forward here by a lot of zone running,

666
00:30:16,400 --> 00:30:20,480
Speaker 2: a lot of stretch outside zone. There was a couple

667
00:30:20,520 --> 00:30:23,080
Speaker 2: of you know, full back elements as well, but a

668
00:30:23,080 --> 00:30:26,160
Speaker 2: lot of outside zone. I think that that's going to

669
00:30:26,200 --> 00:30:28,360
Speaker 2: be a bigger emphasis of this version. And this is

670
00:30:28,400 --> 00:30:30,960
Speaker 2: just my opinion, like it's not informed in anyway, but

671
00:30:32,000 --> 00:30:34,560
Speaker 2: this is gonna be more of an emphasis emphasis in

672
00:30:34,600 --> 00:30:37,880
Speaker 2: this version of Josh mcdaniels's offense than what we've seen

673
00:30:37,920 --> 00:30:40,920
Speaker 2: in the past because Drake can move right, so you

674
00:30:41,000 --> 00:30:43,400
Speaker 2: don't have Mac Jones or Tom Brady back there. You

675
00:30:43,480 --> 00:30:46,120
Speaker 2: have a mobile quarterback that is really really good on

676
00:30:46,160 --> 00:30:48,160
Speaker 2: the move and is actually a strength of his game

677
00:30:48,240 --> 00:30:50,760
Speaker 2: is getting outside the pocket and throwing on the run.

678
00:30:50,840 --> 00:30:52,440
Speaker 1: And I kind of liked what he said. Today after

679
00:30:52,480 --> 00:30:54,960
Speaker 1: practice he was asked what's new in the toolbox this year,

680
00:30:55,000 --> 00:30:56,760
Speaker 1: and he said he want what was the exact what

681
00:30:56,920 --> 00:30:59,840
Speaker 1: was like remaining a pass remaining a passer when he runs. Yes,

682
00:31:00,000 --> 00:31:02,520
Speaker 1: it's not just running to scramble, it's running to extend

683
00:31:02,520 --> 00:31:05,600
Speaker 1: the play. Keep the defense honest. I mean the guys

684
00:31:05,600 --> 00:31:07,280
Speaker 1: that play this way at a high level, your guy

685
00:31:07,400 --> 00:31:09,680
Speaker 1: Josh Allen, like, that's that's the.

686
00:31:09,680 --> 00:31:11,440
Speaker 2: Things when they're the most andous.

687
00:31:11,440 --> 00:31:13,440
Speaker 1: If you're gonna keep the defense honest, that you can

688
00:31:13,480 --> 00:31:16,200
Speaker 1: still throw the ball. It's all about putting guys in conflict, right,

689
00:31:16,200 --> 00:31:18,160
Speaker 1: there's no better way to put the defense in conflict.

690
00:31:18,160 --> 00:31:20,880
Speaker 1: Then you're outside the pocket. You're almost to the numbers,

691
00:31:21,360 --> 00:31:23,959
Speaker 1: but they still can't commit and come get you because

692
00:31:24,000 --> 00:31:25,880
Speaker 1: they know you're just gonna throw the ball right behind him.

693
00:31:25,920 --> 00:31:27,520
Speaker 2: So we'll see if today was just like a zone

694
00:31:27,560 --> 00:31:30,200
Speaker 2: running day and tomorrow we'll get back to getting on

695
00:31:30,280 --> 00:31:32,760
Speaker 2: double teams and leading full backs and like, you know.

696
00:31:32,720 --> 00:31:32,960
Speaker 5: Do that.

697
00:31:33,040 --> 00:31:35,920
Speaker 1: I would also say, if you are going to mix

698
00:31:35,960 --> 00:31:37,400
Speaker 1: in the run just for the sake of mixing and

699
00:31:37,440 --> 00:31:39,280
Speaker 1: the run in a non padded practice to keep the

700
00:31:39,320 --> 00:31:42,680
Speaker 1: defense honest. It makes more sense to call zone than.

701
00:31:42,600 --> 00:31:46,040
Speaker 2: Powerless, especially not in paths because like if you're trying

702
00:31:46,040 --> 00:31:48,120
Speaker 2: to get on like a double team or something like that,

703
00:31:48,400 --> 00:31:51,440
Speaker 2: and these types of practices, like what are you really accomplishing?

704
00:31:51,560 --> 00:31:53,920
Speaker 2: Right Like the Yeah, outside zones much more of like

705
00:31:53,960 --> 00:31:57,680
Speaker 2: a athletic graceful exactly. Yeah, it is a power movement.

706
00:31:57,720 --> 00:31:59,480
Speaker 1: So we'll see. They could still come out that first

707
00:31:59,520 --> 00:32:01,960
Speaker 1: day full payah, smash and heads.

708
00:32:02,040 --> 00:32:05,680
Speaker 2: Yeah, So that was that was There was good and

709
00:32:05,800 --> 00:32:09,600
Speaker 2: bad there with the offensive line. The positive though of it,

710
00:32:09,640 --> 00:32:12,360
Speaker 2: to kind of bring it back is at this defensive line,

711
00:32:12,680 --> 00:32:15,360
Speaker 2: at least the front you know, the the front line,

712
00:32:15,480 --> 00:32:18,840
Speaker 2: defensive players on the dead line of scrimmage. There's still

713
00:32:19,200 --> 00:32:21,680
Speaker 2: I still feel really confident that this group is going

714
00:32:21,760 --> 00:32:23,960
Speaker 2: to be a force to be reckoned with, you know,

715
00:32:23,960 --> 00:32:29,760
Speaker 2: Milton Williams, Barmore, Keon White Landry uh Chase On probably

716
00:32:29,840 --> 00:32:33,560
Speaker 2: for now, maybe that's Braydon Swinson, maybe that's Elijah Ponder

717
00:32:33,600 --> 00:32:36,840
Speaker 2: down the road, if one of those rookies can start

718
00:32:36,880 --> 00:32:40,200
Speaker 2: pushing for that third down pass rush specialist type of role.

719
00:32:40,800 --> 00:32:44,040
Speaker 2: But Milton Williams was disruptive I thought, you know, Keyon White,

720
00:32:44,320 --> 00:32:46,880
Speaker 2: they have him playing mostly end in this system, which

721
00:32:46,880 --> 00:32:50,000
Speaker 2: I like. Barmore Actually I saw a couple of times

722
00:32:50,080 --> 00:32:52,960
Speaker 2: kicking outside to end as well to try to give

723
00:32:53,000 --> 00:32:55,560
Speaker 2: them some more flexibility to get you know, a Tonga

724
00:32:55,600 --> 00:32:58,560
Speaker 2: inside or a ke On White more inside the formation

725
00:32:58,680 --> 00:33:02,440
Speaker 2: as well. So there's gonna be a lot of there's

726
00:33:02,480 --> 00:33:05,560
Speaker 2: gonna be some impact players on that defensive line. The line,

727
00:33:06,120 --> 00:33:08,600
Speaker 2: not to take Landry off the field on purpose, like

728
00:33:08,640 --> 00:33:10,640
Speaker 2: you know, he's a good player too, but like when

729
00:33:10,680 --> 00:33:13,680
Speaker 2: you start to think about you know, bar More Tonga

730
00:33:13,720 --> 00:33:16,520
Speaker 2: at the nose tackle, Milton Williams is somewhere at the

731
00:33:16,520 --> 00:33:19,360
Speaker 2: three technique or whatever, and Keon White like as like

732
00:33:19,400 --> 00:33:22,200
Speaker 2: a true defensive end. You know, we talked earlier about

733
00:33:22,800 --> 00:33:24,880
Speaker 2: and have talked about like run defense, and if we

734
00:33:24,880 --> 00:33:27,520
Speaker 2: have any concerns about run defense, which I have had some.

735
00:33:28,280 --> 00:33:31,960
Speaker 2: That's a much more beefier, more stout. Yeah, that's a

736
00:33:32,000 --> 00:33:34,880
Speaker 2: more stout group. And bar Moore is if he can

737
00:33:35,040 --> 00:33:37,400
Speaker 2: be more flexible and maybe kick out side a little

738
00:33:37,440 --> 00:33:39,800
Speaker 2: bit further. He's played some three to four end in

739
00:33:39,840 --> 00:33:42,480
Speaker 2: his career, you know, some over straight up over the

740
00:33:42,520 --> 00:33:45,120
Speaker 2: tackle type of stuff. So it's not that it's totally

741
00:33:45,280 --> 00:33:47,120
Speaker 2: foreign to him or impossible for him.

742
00:33:47,200 --> 00:33:49,440
Speaker 1: He has the athleticism too, Like at a certain point

743
00:33:49,440 --> 00:33:52,040
Speaker 1: you can fall back on athleticism, Yeah, when you're just

744
00:33:52,120 --> 00:33:52,760
Speaker 1: that skilled.

745
00:33:52,920 --> 00:33:56,320
Speaker 2: Yeah. So I'm I'm pretty bullish on that group. But

746
00:33:56,360 --> 00:33:58,440
Speaker 2: the flip side, as I'm sure some people will take it,

747
00:33:58,480 --> 00:34:01,120
Speaker 2: is that the blocking could have been better. The blocking

748
00:34:01,200 --> 00:34:02,080
Speaker 2: up front could have been better.

749
00:34:02,560 --> 00:34:04,880
Speaker 1: They could have stonewalled them today. They could allowed one

750
00:34:04,920 --> 00:34:08,160
Speaker 1: hundred sacks today. I just I don't care until the

751
00:34:08,160 --> 00:34:09,719
Speaker 1: pads come on. I know, I'm just saying my part.

752
00:34:10,360 --> 00:34:14,200
Speaker 2: Well, because like now let's say we have a show

753
00:34:14,200 --> 00:34:14,640
Speaker 2: to do today.

754
00:34:14,680 --> 00:34:16,360
Speaker 1: Let's say Will I know, but let's say Will Campbell

755
00:34:16,400 --> 00:34:18,240
Speaker 1: is a really good first day in pads, right, Yeah,

756
00:34:18,280 --> 00:34:20,480
Speaker 1: everybody's gonna say, well, I didn't you talk about when

757
00:34:20,480 --> 00:34:22,880
Speaker 1: he sucked before, Like because I don't care.

758
00:34:22,840 --> 00:34:24,560
Speaker 2: Well, I didn't think it was and the verse too.

759
00:34:24,640 --> 00:34:26,520
Speaker 1: He could have a great I'm just using him as

760
00:34:26,520 --> 00:34:29,600
Speaker 1: an example because I like Will Campbell. There's some people

761
00:34:29,640 --> 00:34:32,200
Speaker 1: that don't, that still hate that pick get over it,

762
00:34:32,280 --> 00:34:36,080
Speaker 1: but there are so you know, I don't. I you know,

763
00:34:36,200 --> 00:34:37,839
Speaker 1: I got to set myself up so when I give

764
00:34:37,840 --> 00:34:39,359
Speaker 1: that Tate. Was it gonna be Monday, the first day

765
00:34:39,360 --> 00:34:41,759
Speaker 1: of pads. Other way too, he could be awesome. He

766
00:34:41,800 --> 00:34:44,160
Speaker 1: could be awesome and talk about he's awesome. Oh well, yeah,

767
00:34:44,200 --> 00:34:46,080
Speaker 1: you were just waiting because he sucked the first few days. No,

768
00:34:46,120 --> 00:34:48,680
Speaker 1: I don't care. I I let me see who's out

769
00:34:48,680 --> 00:34:51,640
Speaker 1: there together. If it's a sack because of a blown assignment,

770
00:34:51,680 --> 00:34:55,360
Speaker 1: I care about that because pads are no should be assignments.

771
00:34:55,360 --> 00:34:58,200
Speaker 1: Sound right, and I'll give you the the center snap

772
00:34:58,200 --> 00:35:00,920
Speaker 1: in the ball right, clean snaps, don't put balling. Oh well,

773
00:35:00,960 --> 00:35:03,319
Speaker 1: you know this swim move really gave them trouble. They're

774
00:35:03,320 --> 00:35:06,160
Speaker 1: not in pads. I don't care. It's not real football.

775
00:35:07,000 --> 00:35:08,359
Speaker 2: Well it's fair.

776
00:35:08,719 --> 00:35:10,840
Speaker 1: You're right, were show you today, But that's my take. Today.

777
00:35:11,080 --> 00:35:12,920
Speaker 2: Your station's gonna be the one that's doing it.

778
00:35:13,000 --> 00:35:15,000
Speaker 1: I know. And if I was on with them today,

779
00:35:15,000 --> 00:35:17,680
Speaker 1: I would say, look, this is I like you can

780
00:35:17,719 --> 00:35:20,200
Speaker 1: put stock into it. I'm choosing not to. If the

781
00:35:20,239 --> 00:35:22,640
Speaker 1: same thing happens when the pads come on. If we're

782
00:35:22,640 --> 00:35:23,360
Speaker 1: still talking.

783
00:35:23,120 --> 00:35:25,120
Speaker 2: About this in ten days, then we have a problem.

784
00:35:25,200 --> 00:35:28,120
Speaker 2: Right one day, I don't have a problem yet. I'm

785
00:35:28,160 --> 00:35:31,799
Speaker 2: with you on that. I actually the best compliment that

786
00:35:31,840 --> 00:35:35,320
Speaker 2: I could probably give Will Campbell with the caveat of again,

787
00:35:35,480 --> 00:35:38,120
Speaker 2: like I wish I did, But I don't have access

788
00:35:38,160 --> 00:35:40,160
Speaker 2: to the practice film, so I'm not watching it back.

789
00:35:40,200 --> 00:35:42,920
Speaker 2: I'm watching this live and trying to pick up as

790
00:35:42,960 --> 00:35:45,600
Speaker 2: much as I possibly can. The best compliment I can

791
00:35:45,600 --> 00:35:48,040
Speaker 2: give Will Campbell right now is I don't notice Will Campbell.

792
00:35:48,520 --> 00:35:50,640
Speaker 1: That's what I was gonna say. Again, I'm using him

793
00:35:50,640 --> 00:35:53,799
Speaker 1: as an example. Thinking back on it, I don't know

794
00:35:53,840 --> 00:35:55,880
Speaker 1: how much today I was like, oh, we'll like I

795
00:35:55,920 --> 00:35:59,239
Speaker 1: think it was like one play. Yeah, I don't even know.

796
00:36:00,400 --> 00:36:02,400
Speaker 2: There was one rush where I thought Chazon got the

797
00:36:02,400 --> 00:36:05,120
Speaker 2: corner on that's what and Drake May had to step

798
00:36:05,200 --> 00:36:07,440
Speaker 2: up in the pocket. But you know, Drake May, as

799
00:36:07,480 --> 00:36:09,440
Speaker 2: long as there's a good interior of Drake h, he

800
00:36:09,440 --> 00:36:10,600
Speaker 2: could have just driven by him.

801
00:36:10,680 --> 00:36:10,839
Speaker 4: Right.

802
00:36:11,520 --> 00:36:14,160
Speaker 2: It wasn't like Will Campbell was beat so clean that.

803
00:36:14,880 --> 00:36:17,000
Speaker 1: We talked about this. Somebody called in the offices was like,

804
00:36:17,040 --> 00:36:19,520
Speaker 1: what's the successful season for Will Campbell? And I think

805
00:36:19,560 --> 00:36:22,000
Speaker 1: I remember my answer was we mentioned that he's the

806
00:36:22,000 --> 00:36:23,839
Speaker 1: Week one starter and then we don't say his name

807
00:36:23,840 --> 00:36:26,000
Speaker 1: again until he's named in All Pro. Yeah, like that's

808
00:36:26,040 --> 00:36:26,920
Speaker 1: a successful season.

809
00:36:26,960 --> 00:36:31,080
Speaker 2: So all right, So that's that's pretty much practice. Again.

810
00:36:31,160 --> 00:36:34,640
Speaker 2: It was only a ninety minute session, two team periods,

811
00:36:34,680 --> 00:36:38,160
Speaker 2: mostly individual drills and just easing back into things here.

812
00:36:38,760 --> 00:36:40,719
Speaker 2: Was there anything else that stood out to you? We

813
00:36:40,760 --> 00:36:44,120
Speaker 2: also had press conferences, so we mentioned Drake May's comments

814
00:36:44,160 --> 00:36:47,120
Speaker 2: about remaining a passer longer. I love that, you know what,

815
00:36:47,280 --> 00:36:50,800
Speaker 2: that's great. That was exactly I didn't necessarily think that

816
00:36:50,880 --> 00:36:54,040
Speaker 2: he did. It was a detriment to him last year,

817
00:36:54,080 --> 00:36:56,759
Speaker 2: Like I didn't necessarily have that takeaway from last year

818
00:36:57,200 --> 00:37:00,279
Speaker 2: that oh he left some plays on the field by

819
00:37:00,320 --> 00:37:02,960
Speaker 2: taking off a little bit too prematurely, maybe a couple

820
00:37:02,960 --> 00:37:05,880
Speaker 2: of times, but nitpicky things, you know. I think it

821
00:37:05,960 --> 00:37:09,680
Speaker 2: was totally terrible. But the good news is that he's

822
00:37:09,800 --> 00:37:13,160
Speaker 2: established that he's a really good scrambler. So now teams

823
00:37:13,200 --> 00:37:15,920
Speaker 2: are going to start to respect him as a scrambler

824
00:37:15,960 --> 00:37:18,080
Speaker 2: and he might be a you know, have more gravity

825
00:37:18,120 --> 00:37:18,719
Speaker 2: towards him.

826
00:37:19,080 --> 00:37:22,160
Speaker 1: Pit's development, it's it's play development, like it's that simple.

827
00:37:22,760 --> 00:37:26,359
Speaker 1: Other things that stood out to me. Talked about Drake

828
00:37:26,360 --> 00:37:28,239
Speaker 1: May spreading the ball. I like that, talked about the

829
00:37:28,239 --> 00:37:32,920
Speaker 1: line rotation, We talked about speed on defense, oh digs.

830
00:37:33,440 --> 00:37:38,280
Speaker 1: So his press conference right, Yes, it was all very measured.

831
00:37:38,880 --> 00:37:41,040
Speaker 1: He was asked about rehabbing from the knee and talked

832
00:37:41,040 --> 00:37:42,640
Speaker 1: about it. You know, it takes time to come back

833
00:37:42,680 --> 00:37:44,680
Speaker 1: from this. He's got to work through it. He's asked

834
00:37:44,680 --> 00:37:46,719
Speaker 1: about learning the playbook and he said, yeah, you know,

835
00:37:46,760 --> 00:37:49,160
Speaker 1: I'm still studying as much as I can, and I'm

836
00:37:49,200 --> 00:37:51,359
Speaker 1: excited for it. Receivers have had success, but I'm still

837
00:37:51,360 --> 00:37:53,600
Speaker 1: working on it. Chemistry with Drake may you know, that's

838
00:37:53,600 --> 00:37:55,320
Speaker 1: going to be a process that's not going to happen

839
00:37:55,320 --> 00:37:56,680
Speaker 1: in one day. We're gonna have to work on that,

840
00:37:56,920 --> 00:37:59,759
Speaker 1: spend time together on the field, off the field. And

841
00:37:59,800 --> 00:38:01,520
Speaker 1: then I think his last answer was just like a

842
00:38:01,640 --> 00:38:04,600
Speaker 1: very general like kind of advice to young players. Don't

843
00:38:04,680 --> 00:38:08,040
Speaker 1: ride the roller coaster, you know, stay balanced, trust the

844
00:38:08,080 --> 00:38:12,160
Speaker 1: process all that night and day. From what we heard

845
00:38:12,200 --> 00:38:15,200
Speaker 1: from the wide receiver room last year, and I just

846
00:38:15,239 --> 00:38:17,439
Speaker 1: think that approach is going to be important in that room.

847
00:38:17,760 --> 00:38:20,120
Speaker 1: Let's not get too high, let's not get too low.

848
00:38:20,600 --> 00:38:22,400
Speaker 1: Let's handle this on a day by day basis. You know,

849
00:38:22,440 --> 00:38:24,000
Speaker 1: when Diggs was signed, a lot of the talk was

850
00:38:24,000 --> 00:38:25,480
Speaker 1: not just what he was gonna bring on the field,

851
00:38:25,680 --> 00:38:28,239
Speaker 1: but as a leader, and that's exactly what you're hoping

852
00:38:28,280 --> 00:38:32,480
Speaker 1: to hear from him is just a more baseline, nuanced,

853
00:38:33,000 --> 00:38:36,200
Speaker 1: less extreme mental approach to all this. And there's other

854
00:38:36,200 --> 00:38:38,200
Speaker 1: guys in that room that probably need that, and you

855
00:38:38,239 --> 00:38:40,320
Speaker 1: hope he's imparting it on them, and you hope they're listening.

856
00:38:40,920 --> 00:38:43,520
Speaker 1: But I thought it was you know, it would have

857
00:38:43,520 --> 00:38:45,560
Speaker 1: been really easy for him to come out and say, yeah,

858
00:38:45,640 --> 00:38:47,000
Speaker 1: me and Drake are doing great. You know, I love

859
00:38:47,000 --> 00:38:48,800
Speaker 1: playing with him, blah blah blah whatever. Give us the

860
00:38:49,040 --> 00:38:51,480
Speaker 1: sexy SoundBite that we all want to know is yeah,

861
00:38:51,520 --> 00:38:54,080
Speaker 1: you know, we're starting to work together, but it's day

862
00:38:54,120 --> 00:38:56,040
Speaker 1: one and we're gonna have a lot more work to do.

863
00:38:56,120 --> 00:38:59,040
Speaker 1: Like that's a mature answer, and I think it's a

864
00:38:59,040 --> 00:39:02,120
Speaker 1: lot closer to the truth. So I loved what he

865
00:39:02,120 --> 00:39:04,400
Speaker 1: had to say after practice. I thought that stuff was excellent.

866
00:39:04,480 --> 00:39:06,160
Speaker 2: Oh so, there's one other thing I wanted to get

867
00:39:06,160 --> 00:39:08,480
Speaker 2: to before we move on, and we opened it up here.

868
00:39:09,040 --> 00:39:09,680
Speaker 2: Jalen Polk.

869
00:39:10,360 --> 00:39:10,800
Speaker 1: Yeah.

870
00:39:10,840 --> 00:39:14,720
Speaker 2: So, Jalen Polk ended last year with the shoulder injury

871
00:39:15,120 --> 00:39:17,200
Speaker 2: technically on injured reserve. He was on injury re serve

872
00:39:17,239 --> 00:39:19,320
Speaker 2: for one year. He had he had surgery in the

873
00:39:19,360 --> 00:39:22,680
Speaker 2: off season on the shoulder. We saw him and Digs

874
00:39:22,719 --> 00:39:25,200
Speaker 2: working a lot together in the spring off to the

875
00:39:25,239 --> 00:39:27,959
Speaker 2: side on the side field when they were doing full

876
00:39:27,960 --> 00:39:30,799
Speaker 2: team drills, just running routes against the air. And then

877
00:39:30,840 --> 00:39:32,680
Speaker 2: he comes out there today. He's not on the list,

878
00:39:32,719 --> 00:39:36,839
Speaker 2: he's not on NFI or PUP, but he's not participating

879
00:39:36,880 --> 00:39:40,040
Speaker 2: in practice here today. And on the one hand, I

880
00:39:40,040 --> 00:39:42,480
Speaker 2: want to give Jaalen Polk a little bit of grace

881
00:39:42,520 --> 00:39:44,839
Speaker 2: because it's again we're gonna keep saying it's one day

882
00:39:44,920 --> 00:39:46,759
Speaker 2: for everybody, it's one day for him, like he could

883
00:39:46,760 --> 00:39:49,960
Speaker 2: be out there tomorrow, yeah and whatever, but it's not

884
00:39:50,160 --> 00:39:53,200
Speaker 2: tracking that way for him. And right now he needs

885
00:39:53,280 --> 00:39:55,319
Speaker 2: to prove it, right, Like he needs to go out

886
00:39:55,360 --> 00:39:58,880
Speaker 2: there and prove he belongs in this league quickly because

887
00:39:59,280 --> 00:40:02,719
Speaker 2: this frank like this regime doesn't know him anything, right,

888
00:40:02,760 --> 00:40:05,600
Speaker 2: like Mike Rabele didn't draft him, Like it's not his guy.

889
00:40:05,920 --> 00:40:08,480
Speaker 2: I think they like him, but as a person and everything, Like,

890
00:40:08,480 --> 00:40:10,680
Speaker 2: I don't think they dislike Jalen Polk by any means.

891
00:40:10,760 --> 00:40:12,919
Speaker 2: But at the same time, you can't make the club

892
00:40:12,920 --> 00:40:15,880
Speaker 2: from the tub. He's still not on the field. It's

893
00:40:15,920 --> 00:40:17,880
Speaker 2: it's hard, it's it's a hard look, right, now.

894
00:40:17,760 --> 00:40:20,000
Speaker 1: No, he's played ketchup. He has to play ketchup. It's

895
00:40:20,000 --> 00:40:22,120
Speaker 1: that simple, and you're not doing that from you know,

896
00:40:22,160 --> 00:40:22,880
Speaker 1: the rehab field.

897
00:40:23,080 --> 00:40:25,680
Speaker 2: Yeah, I hope that he gets out there because you

898
00:40:25,680 --> 00:40:28,200
Speaker 2: want to see everybody compete. You want to see everybody

899
00:40:28,560 --> 00:40:31,040
Speaker 2: compete for roles. But you know, Matt Collins, I think

900
00:40:31,080 --> 00:40:33,600
Speaker 2: his role and or his vision of his role is

901
00:40:33,600 --> 00:40:35,840
Speaker 2: sort of locked in, as you know, a fourth or

902
00:40:35,840 --> 00:40:38,880
Speaker 2: fifth receiver and a special teamer and a leader and

903
00:40:38,960 --> 00:40:41,560
Speaker 2: like a veteran presence in the room. You know, Kyle

904
00:40:41,600 --> 00:40:44,640
Speaker 2: Williams and Stefan Diggs are going to be here. I

905
00:40:44,719 --> 00:40:47,040
Speaker 2: believe that that Pop Douglas is as close to a

906
00:40:47,040 --> 00:40:48,239
Speaker 2: lock as you possibly.

907
00:40:48,320 --> 00:40:49,960
Speaker 1: He has to be. They just don't have the speed.

908
00:40:50,000 --> 00:40:51,200
Speaker 1: They don't have speed without him.

909
00:40:51,280 --> 00:40:53,480
Speaker 2: So that's four guys, right, there's.

910
00:40:53,200 --> 00:40:57,440
Speaker 1: One or two spots, right, Diggs, Williams, Pop In Hollins.

911
00:40:57,719 --> 00:40:59,600
Speaker 1: So are they going to keep five or six? A

912
00:40:59,600 --> 00:41:02,040
Speaker 1: lot of people have projected them to seven, myself included.

913
00:41:02,320 --> 00:41:04,120
Speaker 1: I kind of did that to make a point. I

914
00:41:04,160 --> 00:41:07,799
Speaker 1: don't know how realistic that actually is. So there's one

915
00:41:07,880 --> 00:41:11,800
Speaker 1: or two spots, and that's including kender Porn, that's including

916
00:41:11,880 --> 00:41:15,000
Speaker 1: Kishon booty. That's including Fton Chisholm. Yeah, so he's got

917
00:41:15,120 --> 00:41:17,000
Speaker 1: even if it's seven. Even if it's seven, he has

918
00:41:17,040 --> 00:41:19,520
Speaker 1: to pass at least one of those guys. Based on

919
00:41:19,560 --> 00:41:20,719
Speaker 1: what we saw in the spring. I don't know that

920
00:41:20,719 --> 00:41:22,279
Speaker 1: he's ahead of any of those guys right now.

921
00:41:22,760 --> 00:41:24,920
Speaker 2: Yeah, he's got to get out there, and he knows it.

922
00:41:25,040 --> 00:41:27,480
Speaker 2: Like I'm not telling him anything, saying anything that I'm

923
00:41:27,480 --> 00:41:30,279
Speaker 2: sure he's not thinking himself. But we're going to open

924
00:41:30,360 --> 00:41:33,200
Speaker 2: up the emails and the phones now. But before we do, Hey,

925
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926
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933
00:41:58,960 --> 00:42:00,480
Speaker 2: is the trip to New Orleans and so where the

934
00:42:00,520 --> 00:42:03,000
Speaker 2: Patriots are going to play the Saints. I said this

935
00:42:03,040 --> 00:42:05,520
Speaker 2: earlier as well. I keep repeating that but whatever, Uh,

936
00:42:05,719 --> 00:42:08,120
Speaker 2: the Saints, the New Orleans game, in the Tampa game,

937
00:42:08,200 --> 00:42:10,960
Speaker 2: or the two games I have circled on my calendar

938
00:42:11,040 --> 00:42:13,279
Speaker 2: as my the road trips I'm most looking forward to.

939
00:42:13,800 --> 00:42:16,080
Speaker 2: That is going to be a fun time in the

940
00:42:16,120 --> 00:42:17,399
Speaker 2: Bayou in Nola and the.

941
00:42:17,360 --> 00:42:19,520
Speaker 1: Other crazy thing we I think we did this during

942
00:42:19,520 --> 00:42:21,480
Speaker 1: the offseason. That's as far west as they go, right,

943
00:42:21,520 --> 00:42:22,200
Speaker 1: what's further west?

944
00:42:22,200 --> 00:42:24,000
Speaker 2: I believe New Orleans.

945
00:42:24,120 --> 00:42:25,319
Speaker 1: So that's as far west as they go.

946
00:42:25,840 --> 00:42:28,160
Speaker 2: Well, it's gonna be a good trip. That come on

947
00:42:28,280 --> 00:42:32,279
Speaker 2: like preason a weekend on Bourbon Street. From everything I heard,

948
00:42:32,400 --> 00:42:34,359
Speaker 2: the restaurants down there are fantastic.

949
00:42:34,840 --> 00:42:37,080
Speaker 1: It's gonna be a good time to go to New

950
00:42:37,160 --> 00:42:38,200
Speaker 1: Orleans and drunk.

951
00:42:38,680 --> 00:42:41,279
Speaker 2: I didn't say that. I didn't say that. I just

952
00:42:41,280 --> 00:42:43,480
Speaker 2: said it's going to be a good time, and I

953
00:42:43,520 --> 00:42:45,680
Speaker 2: have not. You want me to humble back again. I

954
00:42:45,719 --> 00:42:47,959
Speaker 2: have not been to New Orleans since Super Bowl thirty six,

955
00:42:49,040 --> 00:42:51,839
Speaker 2: so so it's it would be fun to go as

956
00:42:51,840 --> 00:42:54,319
Speaker 2: an adult I was. I was nine years old the

957
00:42:54,400 --> 00:42:56,400
Speaker 2: last time I was in New Orleans. So enter to

958
00:42:56,400 --> 00:42:58,759
Speaker 2: win that raffle and you two can be going to

959
00:42:58,800 --> 00:43:02,280
Speaker 2: New Orleans to watch the Patriots play the New Orleans

960
00:43:02,320 --> 00:43:05,279
Speaker 2: Saints plus no offense New Orleans Saints. I kind of

961
00:43:05,280 --> 00:43:07,719
Speaker 2: think that's dub like I'm kind of marking that one

962
00:43:07,760 --> 00:43:08,200
Speaker 2: as w.

963
00:43:08,600 --> 00:43:10,759
Speaker 1: I mean that team's objectively not great.

964
00:43:10,800 --> 00:43:13,200
Speaker 2: Yeah, that team is not very good on paper. All right,

965
00:43:13,440 --> 00:43:15,799
Speaker 2: you guys have been waiting on the phone line, so

966
00:43:15,880 --> 00:43:19,000
Speaker 2: let's get you started here. Nate is in Connecticut. What's

967
00:43:19,000 --> 00:43:19,640
Speaker 2: going on, Nate?

968
00:43:21,239 --> 00:43:26,000
Speaker 6: Not much, you guys. Hey, So my question for you

969
00:43:26,040 --> 00:43:29,640
Speaker 6: guys is about the intensity during the training camp today

970
00:43:30,160 --> 00:43:33,719
Speaker 6: compared to the other years. How would you say Mike

971
00:43:33,840 --> 00:43:37,359
Speaker 6: vay Bo's approach to the intensity of this camp was

972
00:43:37,360 --> 00:43:40,000
Speaker 6: was it fast paced or would you say it was

973
00:43:40,040 --> 00:43:44,480
Speaker 6: more chilling and relaxed. And how would you say the

974
00:43:44,560 --> 00:43:50,000
Speaker 6: intensity dictated the competitiveness, like if if it was high intensity,

975
00:43:50,520 --> 00:43:53,400
Speaker 6: high competitiveness, and if it was like low intensity and

976
00:43:53,760 --> 00:43:55,560
Speaker 6: it was just a chill practice.

977
00:43:56,320 --> 00:43:59,120
Speaker 2: Thank you guys, No problem, Nate. I would say it's

978
00:43:59,200 --> 00:44:01,040
Speaker 2: probably a better question to ask us in like a

979
00:44:01,080 --> 00:44:04,080
Speaker 2: week from now, but I would I would say, just

980
00:44:04,120 --> 00:44:07,600
Speaker 2: in general, going back to the spring, there's been an

981
00:44:07,600 --> 00:44:11,160
Speaker 2: intensity to practice, like there's it feels a lot more

982
00:44:11,239 --> 00:44:12,680
Speaker 2: and this is not a shot, but it feels a

983
00:44:12,680 --> 00:44:15,160
Speaker 2: lot more like a Belichick practice where there's not as

984
00:44:15,239 --> 00:44:18,320
Speaker 2: much wasted time in between plays, like it's play play

985
00:44:18,400 --> 00:44:22,000
Speaker 2: play play. It's very game like in that's in that scenario.

986
00:44:22,040 --> 00:44:24,640
Speaker 2: And also you know, just watching like them break huddles

987
00:44:24,640 --> 00:44:26,759
Speaker 2: and stuff like Mike rabel is like the first he's

988
00:44:26,760 --> 00:44:29,760
Speaker 2: sprinting across the fields like to the next thing. He's

989
00:44:29,440 --> 00:44:32,360
Speaker 2: a he's a maniac. Like, the guy's an absolute maniac

990
00:44:32,400 --> 00:44:35,320
Speaker 2: on the practice field. So he sets a tone to

991
00:44:36,200 --> 00:44:38,600
Speaker 2: have a pace and have a tempo to practice. That's

992
00:44:38,840 --> 00:44:41,680
Speaker 2: game like feel, So I would if I had to say,

993
00:44:41,760 --> 00:44:45,360
Speaker 2: I I think it feels more maybe not endo Belichick

994
00:44:45,400 --> 00:44:49,240
Speaker 2: and the Belichick got a little got a little soft frankly,

995
00:44:49,360 --> 00:44:51,200
Speaker 2: like there was there is a little bit of like

996
00:44:51,719 --> 00:44:54,279
Speaker 2: you know, trying to like not be as much of

997
00:44:54,320 --> 00:44:56,879
Speaker 2: a hard o to the veteran players and things like that.

998
00:44:57,200 --> 00:45:00,319
Speaker 2: But what I remember of like early Belichick for me,

999
00:45:00,600 --> 00:45:04,720
Speaker 2: you know, like eighteen nineteen, that time, uh, that dis practice.

1000
00:45:04,719 --> 00:45:06,239
Speaker 2: These practices feel more like that.

1001
00:45:06,680 --> 00:45:09,040
Speaker 1: Yeah, last year it was a lot more just get

1002
00:45:09,040 --> 00:45:12,480
Speaker 1: into eleven's and go. I think there's more instructional periods

1003
00:45:12,520 --> 00:45:15,000
Speaker 1: this year. It is that game likes a good way

1004
00:45:15,040 --> 00:45:16,279
Speaker 1: to put it. And he kind of talked about it.

1005
00:45:16,400 --> 00:45:18,520
Speaker 1: For Abel did before practice today, like, you don't have

1006
00:45:19,320 --> 00:45:21,520
Speaker 1: all this time in between plays in a game, so

1007
00:45:21,600 --> 00:45:24,560
Speaker 1: I take it in practice when it comes to substitutions

1008
00:45:24,560 --> 00:45:26,400
Speaker 1: and breaking the huddle and getting lined up. I actually

1009
00:45:26,400 --> 00:45:29,080
Speaker 1: didn't see. I meant to look. I don't think they

1010
00:45:29,120 --> 00:45:31,520
Speaker 1: had a play clock set up out there. I'd like

1011
00:45:31,680 --> 00:45:33,880
Speaker 1: a big one, but I wouldn't be surprised if Rabel

1012
00:45:34,719 --> 00:45:38,120
Speaker 1: or maybe Stretch or you know, one of those other

1013
00:45:38,200 --> 00:45:41,799
Speaker 1: coaches or staffers is keeping one like on a stopwatch,

1014
00:45:41,880 --> 00:45:44,040
Speaker 1: right making sure they're out in forty seconds.

1015
00:45:44,040 --> 00:45:48,799
Speaker 2: There's absolutely an emphasis on making a game like where

1016
00:45:48,920 --> 00:45:51,440
Speaker 2: you run a play, yeah, and then you run immediately

1017
00:45:51,480 --> 00:45:53,200
Speaker 2: back by run a play.

1018
00:45:53,280 --> 00:45:55,359
Speaker 1: He talked about, you know, it's not all we're gonna

1019
00:45:55,400 --> 00:45:57,239
Speaker 1: run the play. We're gonna talk about what we liked,

1020
00:45:57,239 --> 00:45:58,799
Speaker 1: what we didn't like, that we're gonna run the next play.

1021
00:45:58,800 --> 00:46:00,000
Speaker 1: He said, Like you can do that all on the field,

1022
00:46:00,520 --> 00:46:03,000
Speaker 1: get out there and run the place. And that's they

1023
00:46:03,040 --> 00:46:06,200
Speaker 1: fit a lot in. Like it didn't. It didn't feel

1024
00:46:06,239 --> 00:46:08,719
Speaker 1: as like when they got done, I was we're already done.

1025
00:46:08,760 --> 00:46:10,680
Speaker 1: Like it felt like a lot longer than it was.

1026
00:46:11,040 --> 00:46:11,239
Speaker 2: Yeah.

1027
00:46:11,280 --> 00:46:14,200
Speaker 1: So it's right into the time that they had.

1028
00:46:14,400 --> 00:46:17,960
Speaker 2: I think it it increases by fifteen minutes until it

1029
00:46:18,000 --> 00:46:18,960
Speaker 2: gets to two hours.

1030
00:46:19,160 --> 00:46:20,399
Speaker 1: That sounds right at this point.

1031
00:46:20,440 --> 00:46:22,640
Speaker 2: I think you can actually technically might be able to

1032
00:46:22,680 --> 00:46:24,680
Speaker 2: go two hours and fifteen once we really get into

1033
00:46:24,719 --> 00:46:28,360
Speaker 2: the meta training camp. But right now today was ninety

1034
00:46:28,600 --> 00:46:31,160
Speaker 2: I think tomorrow they're permitted for one oh five and

1035
00:46:31,200 --> 00:46:33,480
Speaker 2: then like it kind of keeps going right from there.

1036
00:46:33,680 --> 00:46:36,080
Speaker 2: So it was a quick practice today, but the practices

1037
00:46:36,160 --> 00:46:38,279
Speaker 2: will get longer and obviously the pads will come on

1038
00:46:38,360 --> 00:46:41,480
Speaker 2: and they'll get tougher as well. Patty is an aguam.

1039
00:46:41,560 --> 00:46:43,560
Speaker 2: What's up Patty?

1040
00:46:43,800 --> 00:46:44,239
Speaker 5: What's up?

1041
00:46:44,320 --> 00:46:44,600
Speaker 7: Ken?

1042
00:46:45,440 --> 00:46:46,200
Speaker 2: How are we doing.

1043
00:46:47,800 --> 00:46:48,480
Speaker 7: Doing all right?

1044
00:46:49,840 --> 00:46:50,439
Speaker 8: First off?

1045
00:46:50,520 --> 00:46:54,080
Speaker 7: Non well sort of footballer Jason Alex site, I enjoy

1046
00:46:54,200 --> 00:46:56,360
Speaker 7: listening to you Sundays when you're on when you're on

1047
00:46:56,400 --> 00:46:56,759
Speaker 7: the Hub.

1048
00:46:57,040 --> 00:46:58,160
Speaker 1: Yeah, and thank you.

1049
00:46:58,600 --> 00:47:00,600
Speaker 7: One of the things that I love that you slip

1050
00:47:00,640 --> 00:47:03,960
Speaker 7: in as though subtle, it's always funny in Philadelphia references.

1051
00:47:04,080 --> 00:47:06,200
Speaker 7: I didn't know you were a fan, And yes, I

1052
00:47:06,239 --> 00:47:06,799
Speaker 7: love that show.

1053
00:47:07,120 --> 00:47:08,640
Speaker 1: Nothing on the New Seas, don't tell me anything on

1054
00:47:08,680 --> 00:47:10,440
Speaker 1: New Season. I haven't seen it yet, but yeah.

1055
00:47:10,640 --> 00:47:11,799
Speaker 7: Fan either.

1056
00:47:12,000 --> 00:47:14,279
Speaker 1: Yeah, that's one of like the few things that haven't

1057
00:47:14,280 --> 00:47:15,080
Speaker 1: actually a fun show.

1058
00:47:15,760 --> 00:47:20,560
Speaker 8: Yeah, all right, So just going back to football, the

1059
00:47:20,600 --> 00:47:24,280
Speaker 8: two guys I want to ask questions about was I'm sorry,

1060
00:47:24,320 --> 00:47:27,080
Speaker 8: I plead ignorance on this, was there anything wrong with

1061
00:47:27,160 --> 00:47:29,879
Speaker 8: Austin Hooper during the spring workouts that that made him

1062
00:47:29,880 --> 00:47:30,640
Speaker 8: fill on the list.

1063
00:47:30,840 --> 00:47:35,200
Speaker 7: And is there anything out there as to that's being

1064
00:47:35,239 --> 00:47:37,359
Speaker 7: reported as to why DL and Poke didn't practice today?

1065
00:47:37,360 --> 00:47:38,719
Speaker 7: And I'll take it out there, guys.

1066
00:47:39,040 --> 00:47:43,000
Speaker 2: Thanks Patty. So Austin Hooper undisclosed injury. I don't think

1067
00:47:43,000 --> 00:47:46,160
Speaker 2: anybody's reported the exact injury yet, but I do remember

1068
00:47:46,280 --> 00:47:49,920
Speaker 2: him tweaking something in the spring and uh and not

1069
00:47:50,040 --> 00:47:52,960
Speaker 2: practicing towards the end of the spring, or at least

1070
00:47:53,000 --> 00:47:56,279
Speaker 2: being extremely limited in the spring practices. So when he

1071
00:47:56,360 --> 00:48:00,600
Speaker 2: opened the camp on PUP I wasn't surprised. I do

1072
00:48:00,719 --> 00:48:04,040
Speaker 2: remember that happening. So I don't know what the injury is.

1073
00:48:04,080 --> 00:48:06,280
Speaker 2: I don't think there's a report out there on exactly

1074
00:48:06,320 --> 00:48:09,040
Speaker 2: what the injury is that he's dealing with, but no

1075
00:48:09,160 --> 00:48:13,439
Speaker 2: positive news I would say is if Rabeled yesterday did

1076
00:48:13,480 --> 00:48:15,719
Speaker 2: say that he didn't feel like anybody was going to

1077
00:48:15,760 --> 00:48:19,240
Speaker 2: miss like significant training camp time that was on a list,

1078
00:48:19,880 --> 00:48:22,560
Speaker 2: so hopefully that includes Austin Hooper, and it won't be

1079
00:48:22,680 --> 00:48:26,000
Speaker 2: long until he gets back out there. Because Hunter Henry

1080
00:48:26,040 --> 00:48:28,120
Speaker 2: in a nice catch today up the scene. He continues

1081
00:48:28,160 --> 00:48:30,239
Speaker 2: to be Hunter Henry, and we know Hooper can be

1082
00:48:30,760 --> 00:48:34,480
Speaker 2: a really steady and reliable backup. But after those two

1083
00:48:34,520 --> 00:48:36,520
Speaker 2: guys at tight End, Alex, I don't have a whole

1084
00:48:36,520 --> 00:48:39,000
Speaker 2: lot of confidence in anybody else in that room yet. Now,

1085
00:48:39,000 --> 00:48:41,480
Speaker 2: hopefully somebody makes some plays and starts to flash, or

1086
00:48:41,840 --> 00:48:45,960
Speaker 2: whether it's Westover, Jane Bell or one of the undrafted

1087
00:48:46,000 --> 00:48:49,200
Speaker 2: guys you know, Dupre or g Scott. But right now

1088
00:48:49,560 --> 00:48:52,839
Speaker 2: I feel like that no one's really taken that tight

1089
00:48:52,960 --> 00:48:56,160
Speaker 2: end three position by the Horns quite yet. Now it's

1090
00:48:56,200 --> 00:48:58,320
Speaker 2: way early, but it just hasn't happened.

1091
00:48:58,400 --> 00:49:01,000
Speaker 1: No, it'll it'll be. I mean, star Wars getting most

1092
00:49:01,040 --> 00:49:03,280
Speaker 1: of the run, so you figure he's probably the leader.

1093
00:49:03,280 --> 00:49:05,640
Speaker 1: There's still that lingering thing with CJ. Dupree. If they

1094
00:49:05,680 --> 00:49:07,520
Speaker 1: want a blocker, he fits, but he's gonna have to

1095
00:49:07,520 --> 00:49:10,839
Speaker 1: like show it right when pads come on. But they

1096
00:49:11,120 --> 00:49:12,960
Speaker 1: I still think there's a real chance they just keep

1097
00:49:12,960 --> 00:49:15,600
Speaker 1: two tight ends and then it's practice squad elevations for

1098
00:49:15,640 --> 00:49:16,680
Speaker 1: the first month or so of.

1099
00:49:16,600 --> 00:49:19,480
Speaker 2: The season and Lampia, of course, I can't forget.

1100
00:49:19,600 --> 00:49:21,200
Speaker 1: Well, he's a full I think he's just gonna play

1101
00:49:21,200 --> 00:49:21,600
Speaker 1: full back.

1102
00:49:21,680 --> 00:49:23,680
Speaker 2: Well he won't play full back, but yes, he will

1103
00:49:23,719 --> 00:49:24,880
Speaker 2: be on the I think he will be with the

1104
00:49:24,880 --> 00:49:27,480
Speaker 2: tight ends with Jalen Polk. It's the show. It's got

1105
00:49:27,480 --> 00:49:30,360
Speaker 2: to be the shoulder. I don't know what I prognosed.

1106
00:49:30,360 --> 00:49:32,200
Speaker 2: There's no reason to believe anything else.

1107
00:49:32,200 --> 00:49:33,560
Speaker 1: So when he was out there in the spring, like,

1108
00:49:33,600 --> 00:49:37,200
Speaker 1: he was running routes pretty full speed, so I can't

1109
00:49:37,239 --> 00:49:38,400
Speaker 1: imagine its lower body.

1110
00:49:38,520 --> 00:49:38,680
Speaker 2: Right.

1111
00:49:39,200 --> 00:49:41,200
Speaker 1: Then again, Diggs was running full speed and that was

1112
00:49:41,200 --> 00:49:43,160
Speaker 1: an a C L So maybe that doesn't try it.

1113
00:49:43,239 --> 00:49:45,480
Speaker 1: But like we didn't see I didn't see him wearing

1114
00:49:45,480 --> 00:49:48,160
Speaker 1: any sort of brace or sleeve or like outside of

1115
00:49:48,160 --> 00:49:51,200
Speaker 1: the ordinary. Right, So yeah, I would.

1116
00:49:51,200 --> 00:49:54,960
Speaker 2: I would speculate, obviously, but speculate shoulder. It's the shoulder,

1117
00:49:55,040 --> 00:49:58,680
Speaker 2: and no one knows. There's no timeline of when exactly

1118
00:49:59,239 --> 00:50:03,360
Speaker 2: he's gonna be and practicing again. All right, Randy is

1119
00:50:03,360 --> 00:50:05,440
Speaker 2: in Providence. What's up, Randy?

1120
00:50:06,120 --> 00:50:07,480
Speaker 5: Hey guys, how's it going to that?

1121
00:50:07,880 --> 00:50:08,719
Speaker 2: Hey? Good?

1122
00:50:10,040 --> 00:50:12,200
Speaker 3: So I had a couple of quench questions for you,

1123
00:50:12,640 --> 00:50:15,000
Speaker 3: real quick off the top, I was wondering how you

1124
00:50:15,040 --> 00:50:19,239
Speaker 3: guys thought the defensive coordinator. Terrell Williams looked like I

1125
00:50:19,280 --> 00:50:22,600
Speaker 3: know Rabel and a lot of his coaches really get

1126
00:50:22,640 --> 00:50:26,759
Speaker 3: actively involved, and I was wondering if he was that way.

1127
00:50:26,920 --> 00:50:30,520
Speaker 5: He was a little more kind of relaxed and not

1128
00:50:30,640 --> 00:50:32,400
Speaker 5: as not as active.

1129
00:50:33,320 --> 00:50:35,520
Speaker 2: Yeah, thanks for the call, Randy. So just to put

1130
00:50:35,520 --> 00:50:39,080
Speaker 2: some background on that, Terrell Williams is here, he's with

1131
00:50:39,160 --> 00:50:41,880
Speaker 2: the team. He was coaching today. He was not in

1132
00:50:41,880 --> 00:50:45,160
Speaker 2: the spring due to a health issue. Thankfully for him,

1133
00:50:45,200 --> 00:50:48,320
Speaker 2: it seems like that is he's been cleared and and

1134
00:50:48,400 --> 00:50:51,200
Speaker 2: you know, good to go, as Rabel joked yesterday, is

1135
00:50:51,239 --> 00:50:55,279
Speaker 2: not on pup or whatever, so that's good news. I

1136
00:50:55,280 --> 00:50:59,640
Speaker 2: don't think that Terrell Williams is as hands on of

1137
00:50:59,680 --> 00:51:02,200
Speaker 2: a coach as Mike Rabel is, just based off of

1138
00:51:02,200 --> 00:51:05,480
Speaker 2: what I've heard about Terrell Williams, Terrell Williams does seem

1139
00:51:05,520 --> 00:51:08,480
Speaker 2: like more of like to sit back and observe and

1140
00:51:08,760 --> 00:51:11,560
Speaker 2: make corrections later type of guy. So that's how I

1141
00:51:11,600 --> 00:51:13,759
Speaker 2: would say it. But it was one practice like I

1142
00:51:13,760 --> 00:51:16,880
Speaker 2: wouldn't put too much emphasis on that, but it was

1143
00:51:16,880 --> 00:51:19,080
Speaker 2: good to see him back out there. I just think

1144
00:51:19,080 --> 00:51:22,319
Speaker 2: in general, it's a little not a concern, but like

1145
00:51:22,320 --> 00:51:26,320
Speaker 2: a little bit of an unknown. What exactly his play

1146
00:51:26,320 --> 00:51:29,360
Speaker 2: calling style is going to be, how exactly they're going

1147
00:51:29,440 --> 00:51:32,560
Speaker 2: to handle third down? Like, are they gonna be blitz heavy?

1148
00:51:32,600 --> 00:51:34,160
Speaker 2: Are they gonna be are they going to be a

1149
00:51:34,200 --> 00:51:36,840
Speaker 2: coverage team? Like? Is he a drop eight guy? Is

1150
00:51:36,880 --> 00:51:38,160
Speaker 2: he a send the house guy right?

1151
00:51:38,200 --> 00:51:38,279
Speaker 1: Like?

1152
00:51:38,480 --> 00:51:40,840
Speaker 2: I don't know yet? Is he both? Is he a

1153
00:51:40,840 --> 00:51:42,719
Speaker 2: mix and match guy? Is he a two high guy?

1154
00:51:43,239 --> 00:51:45,760
Speaker 2: Single high guy? Like? These are all things that I

1155
00:51:45,800 --> 00:51:48,240
Speaker 2: am interested to see from Terrell Williams because he doesn't

1156
00:51:48,239 --> 00:51:50,759
Speaker 2: really have a whole lot of play calling experience in

1157
00:51:50,800 --> 00:51:53,560
Speaker 2: his coaching history. We know Rabel can call plays on

1158
00:51:53,600 --> 00:51:56,799
Speaker 2: the defense, but Terrell Williams hasn't done a ton and

1159
00:51:56,920 --> 00:51:59,319
Speaker 2: according to Rabel, it's gonna be Terrell Williams that's gonna

1160
00:51:59,320 --> 00:52:01,920
Speaker 2: call the defense. So we don't necessarily get that in

1161
00:52:02,040 --> 00:52:05,520
Speaker 2: practice per se. But the Terrell Williams of it. All

1162
00:52:05,520 --> 00:52:07,680
Speaker 2: the good news is that he's here and that he's

1163
00:52:08,320 --> 00:52:12,480
Speaker 2: actively coaching in practice, but it's still an unknown, a

1164
00:52:12,480 --> 00:52:15,879
Speaker 2: little bit of what exactly he's going how exactly he's

1165
00:52:15,880 --> 00:52:17,360
Speaker 2: going to coordinate this defense.

1166
00:52:17,600 --> 00:52:19,560
Speaker 1: Yeah, I agree with all that there's nothing to say, like,

1167
00:52:19,640 --> 00:52:20,399
Speaker 1: how does he look.

1168
00:52:21,040 --> 00:52:22,960
Speaker 2: It's not a player, so yeah, he can't.

1169
00:52:22,719 --> 00:52:24,399
Speaker 1: Really do that, especially this early. But it's good.

1170
00:52:24,400 --> 00:52:24,759
Speaker 2: He's back.

1171
00:52:24,800 --> 00:52:25,560
Speaker 1: It's good, he's back.

1172
00:52:25,680 --> 00:52:28,960
Speaker 2: Yeah, Yeah, it's good. All right. Emory is in Virginia.

1173
00:52:29,000 --> 00:52:30,120
Speaker 2: A lot of calls. I love it.

1174
00:52:30,239 --> 00:52:34,680
Speaker 5: What's up, Emory, Good afternoon, gentlemen, football as well. He

1175
00:52:35,120 --> 00:52:40,560
Speaker 5: excited about camp. A kid that I'm interested in is

1176
00:52:40,680 --> 00:52:46,040
Speaker 5: Alex Austin cornerback. Give me some positive feedback on that kid, please.

1177
00:52:46,600 --> 00:52:49,120
Speaker 2: Yeah, thanks for the call, Emory. Alex Austin is an

1178
00:52:49,160 --> 00:52:53,680
Speaker 2: interesting one because there's two I was on with our

1179
00:52:53,719 --> 00:52:56,200
Speaker 2: buddy Taylor and Mike had like on the ceiling this

1180
00:52:56,320 --> 00:52:58,759
Speaker 2: podcast the other day. We were talking about this, and

1181
00:52:59,360 --> 00:53:03,160
Speaker 2: there's a world where Alex Austin's body type fits the

1182
00:53:03,200 --> 00:53:07,080
Speaker 2: slot cornerback role. That that big slot that Rabel has

1183
00:53:07,280 --> 00:53:10,160
Speaker 2: said is going to be more prominent maybe in this

1184
00:53:10,239 --> 00:53:12,440
Speaker 2: defense than the Patriots have had it in the past.

1185
00:53:13,040 --> 00:53:15,640
Speaker 2: But I really have always viewed Alex Austen as like

1186
00:53:15,640 --> 00:53:19,800
Speaker 2: a rotational outside cordner where maybe you're in a matchup

1187
00:53:19,840 --> 00:53:22,440
Speaker 2: where you know their best receiver is really like a

1188
00:53:22,520 --> 00:53:25,680
Speaker 2: Z or an inside receiver. So Christian Gonzalez is playing

1189
00:53:25,719 --> 00:53:28,600
Speaker 2: more that week on the inside because he's shadowing somebody

1190
00:53:28,640 --> 00:53:31,160
Speaker 2: inside a lot. And so now you need like a

1191
00:53:31,200 --> 00:53:34,960
Speaker 2: third outside corner that has some size and that can

1192
00:53:35,000 --> 00:53:39,120
Speaker 2: hold up in a high volume outside role. And then

1193
00:53:39,160 --> 00:53:40,839
Speaker 2: you don't have to put like a five foot eight

1194
00:53:40,920 --> 00:53:43,400
Speaker 2: Marcus Jones out on the boundary right because you have

1195
00:53:43,440 --> 00:53:45,839
Speaker 2: a six foot Alex Austin to put out there. That's

1196
00:53:45,880 --> 00:53:48,640
Speaker 2: the way I view Alex Austin. We've talked about it

1197
00:53:48,800 --> 00:53:51,080
Speaker 2: a million times, like more like in that Jason mccordy

1198
00:53:51,120 --> 00:53:54,680
Speaker 2: type of archetype where it's like he's the third corner.

1199
00:53:54,920 --> 00:53:57,120
Speaker 2: He's gonna play a lot in certain matchups. He might

1200
00:53:57,160 --> 00:53:59,200
Speaker 2: not play as much in other matchups. But then there

1201
00:53:59,200 --> 00:54:00,880
Speaker 2: are other people that I kind of wonder if you

1202
00:54:00,880 --> 00:54:02,280
Speaker 2: could play a little bit in the slot.

1203
00:54:02,400 --> 00:54:04,640
Speaker 1: So I do both. I wonder if he can do

1204
00:54:04,680 --> 00:54:06,319
Speaker 1: both and just kind of be like a Swiss army

1205
00:54:06,360 --> 00:54:08,279
Speaker 1: knife backup. I mean, I was putting a lot on

1206
00:54:08,320 --> 00:54:10,680
Speaker 1: the kid, but you know, he's smart player. Think he

1207
00:54:10,719 --> 00:54:13,840
Speaker 1: could handle it. If you want something on him from today,

1208
00:54:14,000 --> 00:54:15,480
Speaker 1: I don't know if you want to put any stock

1209
00:54:15,480 --> 00:54:17,479
Speaker 1: and the guys that were leading the stretch lines early

1210
00:54:17,520 --> 00:54:19,560
Speaker 1: in practice. So this is a little different under Vrabel.

1211
00:54:19,960 --> 00:54:24,080
Speaker 1: It's like a high school style stretch where the team's

1212
00:54:24,120 --> 00:54:26,160
Speaker 1: kind of in a grid and the guys at the

1213
00:54:26,160 --> 00:54:28,759
Speaker 1: front by the coaches are backfacing the rest of the team.

1214
00:54:28,800 --> 00:54:30,799
Speaker 1: You know what I'm talking about. Yes, So the guys again,

1215
00:54:30,840 --> 00:54:32,719
Speaker 1: we'll see, maybe this will change day to day. And

1216
00:54:32,760 --> 00:54:35,600
Speaker 1: obviously these players are on slightly different standing as I

1217
00:54:35,680 --> 00:54:38,240
Speaker 1: go through this list, But the players leading the stretch

1218
00:54:38,280 --> 00:54:41,000
Speaker 1: lines today I had, so maybe I missed somebody, but

1219
00:54:41,040 --> 00:54:44,120
Speaker 1: I had Stephan in no particular order, well it was

1220
00:54:44,160 --> 00:54:48,080
Speaker 1: the order, just they were by position, Stefan Diggs, Antonio Gibson,

1221
00:54:48,280 --> 00:54:52,960
Speaker 1: Drake May, Morgan Moses, Jalen Hawkins, Robert Splane, Alex Austin

1222
00:54:53,320 --> 00:54:57,440
Speaker 1: and Jalen Hawkins twice, Christian Gonzalez, Garrett Bradbury City, So

1223
00:54:58,000 --> 00:55:01,520
Speaker 1: Hunter Henry and Truman Jones. So Alex Austin leading a

1224
00:55:01,560 --> 00:55:03,719
Speaker 1: stretch line. Make of that what you will. I don't

1225
00:55:03,719 --> 00:55:05,319
Speaker 1: know if that'll rotate or if that'll be the same

1226
00:55:05,360 --> 00:55:07,680
Speaker 1: thing every day. But I didn't notice him doing that,

1227
00:55:08,120 --> 00:55:11,520
Speaker 1: and so like him, Truman Jones City, so kind of

1228
00:55:11,600 --> 00:55:14,320
Speaker 1: different standing than some of those other guys. Hunter Henry

1229
00:55:14,360 --> 00:55:17,440
Speaker 1: Morgan Moses even step on Diggs. So I don't know

1230
00:55:17,480 --> 00:55:20,359
Speaker 1: what to make of that, but he was doing it.

1231
00:55:20,520 --> 00:55:23,040
Speaker 2: So I think the reason why I kind of stray

1232
00:55:23,040 --> 00:55:26,359
Speaker 2: away from him as a slocky for me particularly is

1233
00:55:26,440 --> 00:55:29,840
Speaker 2: just the strength to me of Alex Austin's game is

1234
00:55:29,840 --> 00:55:31,440
Speaker 2: playing the deep part of the field. Like I think

1235
00:55:31,440 --> 00:55:33,680
Speaker 2: he's really good at playing the deep ball. He's good

1236
00:55:34,040 --> 00:55:36,640
Speaker 2: at winning a down the field at catch points, making

1237
00:55:36,680 --> 00:55:39,600
Speaker 2: plays on the football down the field. I don't know

1238
00:55:39,640 --> 00:55:42,440
Speaker 2: if like he's he's like a little high like cut in.

1239
00:55:42,480 --> 00:55:44,680
Speaker 2: I don't know if he has that true like change

1240
00:55:44,719 --> 00:55:48,000
Speaker 2: of direction to handle like a jitterbug slot right, Like

1241
00:55:48,160 --> 00:55:50,480
Speaker 2: if you're going to be inside and you're going up

1242
00:55:50,520 --> 00:55:53,359
Speaker 2: against like a quicker you know, edel Midwelker mold type

1243
00:55:53,400 --> 00:55:55,680
Speaker 2: of receiver, I like, that's Marcus Jones.

1244
00:55:55,680 --> 00:55:58,080
Speaker 1: Well, so that's I think that that's probably the idea

1245
00:55:58,239 --> 00:56:00,400
Speaker 1: is you know, you would think that the coach staff

1246
00:56:00,400 --> 00:56:04,080
Speaker 1: they're gonna kind of tailor that. So against the Dolphins, right,

1247
00:56:04,080 --> 00:56:05,560
Speaker 1: you're gonna have Marcus Jones out there. But when you

1248
00:56:05,560 --> 00:56:08,440
Speaker 1: played the Bengals with Andre Yoshavas, right, who's that bigger,

1249
00:56:08,480 --> 00:56:11,120
Speaker 1: more physical guy. Because the other thing about Alex Austin,

1250
00:56:11,120 --> 00:56:13,759
Speaker 1: even if he's not that ideal cover fit, part of

1251
00:56:13,800 --> 00:56:15,799
Speaker 1: the reason you use a big slot is to be

1252
00:56:15,800 --> 00:56:18,000
Speaker 1: better against the run, which I think he can do

1253
00:56:18,040 --> 00:56:21,279
Speaker 1: because he's physical, right, he doesn't mind contact, So I

1254
00:56:21,320 --> 00:56:24,399
Speaker 1: think in certain matchups it makes sense. And that's why,

1255
00:56:24,560 --> 00:56:27,839
Speaker 1: Like he's your he's your backup in both spots. He's

1256
00:56:27,880 --> 00:56:30,960
Speaker 1: your backup boundary corner and he's your backup slot corner,

1257
00:56:31,160 --> 00:56:32,680
Speaker 1: so you can kind of use him as a matchup

1258
00:56:32,680 --> 00:56:36,080
Speaker 1: piece wherever you think he's best. Now, when guys get hurt, right,

1259
00:56:36,120 --> 00:56:38,240
Speaker 1: I don't know that. Let's say you don't have Marcus

1260
00:56:38,280 --> 00:56:40,320
Speaker 1: Jones for the Dolphins game. Now you might have to pivot.

1261
00:56:40,520 --> 00:56:42,120
Speaker 1: Now do you look at a guy like Marcellus Dial

1262
00:56:42,239 --> 00:56:46,080
Speaker 1: or even Isaiah Bolden. But as a matchup guy, I

1263
00:56:46,080 --> 00:56:48,160
Speaker 1: don't hate him in the big slot in some situations.

1264
00:56:48,560 --> 00:56:51,560
Speaker 2: So the last thing on Alex Austin that I wanted

1265
00:56:51,560 --> 00:56:54,680
Speaker 2: to say, which, of course now I'm totally forgetting what

1266
00:56:54,719 --> 00:56:56,520
Speaker 2: it was. So let's go to Eldred and I will

1267
00:56:56,560 --> 00:57:00,279
Speaker 2: remember it well. I you know, right far here, all right, Dred?

1268
00:57:00,280 --> 00:57:01,480
Speaker 2: What's up? How are we doing.

1269
00:57:02,760 --> 00:57:02,920
Speaker 5: There?

1270
00:57:02,920 --> 00:57:04,680
Speaker 2: He is in the truck love it.

1271
00:57:04,760 --> 00:57:08,279
Speaker 5: Hey tell us that y'all doing to day and I

1272
00:57:08,320 --> 00:57:09,600
Speaker 5: did take congratulations They have.

1273
00:57:09,600 --> 00:57:11,600
Speaker 2: Him right, thank you, yes, thank you?

1274
00:57:12,280 --> 00:57:17,439
Speaker 7: Yeah, yeah, okay, question my doune cast is a jun jow.

1275
00:57:18,720 --> 00:57:20,400
Speaker 5: I know you've been on a practice squad.

1276
00:57:20,760 --> 00:57:22,800
Speaker 7: I know he'd been doing this and that. But he

1277
00:57:22,840 --> 00:57:24,520
Speaker 7: said he did pretty good at Spring, but he didn't

1278
00:57:24,520 --> 00:57:25,800
Speaker 7: catch nothing gets made.

1279
00:57:26,840 --> 00:57:32,240
Speaker 5: Any can't you beat home without just any chant?

1280
00:57:32,440 --> 00:57:34,760
Speaker 7: I know he's thirty one, needs the guys hurt whatever,

1281
00:57:34,880 --> 00:57:38,120
Speaker 7: but it's a young movie I'm looking at.

1282
00:57:38,880 --> 00:57:42,479
Speaker 2: Yeah, that that's a fair question. Fair question. Eldred, thanks

1283
00:57:42,520 --> 00:57:47,200
Speaker 2: for the cause always and h We did a guess

1284
00:57:47,280 --> 00:57:50,720
Speaker 2: the picture thing yesterday where like we had our callers

1285
00:57:50,760 --> 00:57:53,880
Speaker 2: sending pictures of themselves. All of us got Eldrick correct.

1286
00:57:53,960 --> 00:57:55,880
Speaker 2: We all knewho Aldred was. So that's how you know

1287
00:57:55,920 --> 00:57:58,840
Speaker 2: how much of a religious caller Eldred is because we

1288
00:57:58,880 --> 00:58:03,280
Speaker 2: all recognized him. John Giles is. Paul Perrillo actually threw

1289
00:58:03,280 --> 00:58:06,080
Speaker 2: his name out earlier today on our show, which I

1290
00:58:06,200 --> 00:58:08,840
Speaker 2: was shocked at because Paul always likes to joke that

1291
00:58:08,920 --> 00:58:10,960
Speaker 2: like he doesn't really know the back of the roster

1292
00:58:11,120 --> 00:58:13,040
Speaker 2: very well, and all of a sudden he's just pulling

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00:58:13,080 --> 00:58:17,880
Speaker 2: out John Giles. But John Giles is I love like

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00:58:17,960 --> 00:58:20,240
Speaker 2: the size in the speed combo that he has, Like

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00:58:20,320 --> 00:58:23,520
Speaker 2: he's got he's got like that tool you know in

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00:58:23,520 --> 00:58:25,800
Speaker 2: his belt of He's a big dude that can move

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00:58:25,840 --> 00:58:28,800
Speaker 2: pretty well for his size. Yeah, But to me that

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00:58:28,880 --> 00:58:31,200
Speaker 2: projects to like a scout team role, right, where like

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00:58:31,600 --> 00:58:33,800
Speaker 2: he's gonna be a scout team X, he's gonna be

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00:58:33,840 --> 00:58:36,000
Speaker 2: somebody that you know, we're going up against his six

1301
00:58:36,080 --> 00:58:38,640
Speaker 2: foot three, like a DK Metcalf type, right, And this

1302
00:58:38,800 --> 00:58:41,960
Speaker 2: is like we have John Giles, who's obviously not DK Metcalf,

1303
00:58:42,040 --> 00:58:44,720
Speaker 2: but we can sort of mimic what DK Metcalf does

1304
00:58:45,080 --> 00:58:48,280
Speaker 2: with John Giles. That's how I view John Giles currently.

1305
00:58:48,320 --> 00:58:50,440
Speaker 2: Maybe he'll change my mind. I just don't know if

1306
00:58:50,440 --> 00:58:52,600
Speaker 2: i'd view John Giles as a roster guy. I kind

1307
00:58:52,600 --> 00:58:53,880
Speaker 2: of view him as a practice question.

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00:58:53,960 --> 00:58:55,720
Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean there's still some of his game that

1309
00:58:55,760 --> 00:58:57,959
Speaker 1: he's rounding out. He had a drop today. Like you said,

1310
00:58:57,960 --> 00:58:59,800
Speaker 1: he's a good player to have in the building, but

1311
00:59:00,040 --> 00:59:01,400
Speaker 1: probably more of a practice squad guy.

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Speaker 2: Okay, So here's what I remember what I was gonna

1313
00:59:03,360 --> 00:59:05,480
Speaker 2: say about Alex Austin. One of the things that's been

1314
00:59:05,520 --> 00:59:07,880
Speaker 2: on my mind about this defense in general, and we're

1315
00:59:07,920 --> 00:59:10,600
Speaker 2: kind of we're opening up to anything you guys want

1316
00:59:10,640 --> 00:59:14,440
Speaker 2: to talk about. You can email us as well at

1317
00:59:15,480 --> 00:59:18,360
Speaker 2: it always changes. It's podcast at Patriots dot Com. You

1318
00:59:18,360 --> 00:59:20,440
Speaker 2: can email us there too if you want to get

1319
00:59:20,440 --> 00:59:23,560
Speaker 2: in on the emails we don't have. I feel like

1320
00:59:23,600 --> 00:59:26,040
Speaker 2: we've put a bow on today's practice. I don't have

1321
00:59:26,160 --> 00:59:28,520
Speaker 2: much more to add, but just as a general thought

1322
00:59:28,920 --> 00:59:32,000
Speaker 2: on the team moving forward, I've been thinking a lot

1323
00:59:32,040 --> 00:59:34,640
Speaker 2: about like how they're going to cover tight ends, And

1324
00:59:35,280 --> 00:59:37,600
Speaker 2: I don't know if Kyle Dugart or Jabriel Peppers has

1325
00:59:37,640 --> 00:59:41,480
Speaker 2: ever been great at covering tight ends in man coverage.

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00:59:41,520 --> 00:59:43,520
Speaker 2: Like not to pick on them. I think they're good

1327
00:59:43,520 --> 00:59:45,800
Speaker 2: in different things, but I don't know if that's an

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00:59:45,840 --> 00:59:49,240
Speaker 2: area of strength for either one of those guys. And nowadays,

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00:59:49,280 --> 00:59:51,240
Speaker 2: you know, you go through their schedule, even week one,

1330
00:59:51,520 --> 00:59:53,600
Speaker 2: right out of the shoot, you're gonna have brock powers

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00:59:53,760 --> 00:59:57,880
Speaker 2: right coming here. There's these tight ends that are really

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00:59:58,000 --> 01:00:01,040
Speaker 2: just jumpbo receivers, Like they're just big, slow brought Bowers

1333
01:00:01,080 --> 01:00:03,760
Speaker 2: as a receiver, like brop Owers is not gronk, like

1334
01:00:03,800 --> 01:00:05,920
Speaker 2: he's not putting his hand in the dirt and blocking

1335
01:00:05,920 --> 01:00:07,880
Speaker 2: people at a high level. He's a receiver. He's a

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01:00:07,920 --> 01:00:11,080
Speaker 2: really good one. Obviously, they have guys like Kinkaid and

1337
01:00:11,120 --> 01:00:13,440
Speaker 2: Buffalo who they're gonna see twice a year, like another

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01:00:13,480 --> 01:00:15,920
Speaker 2: one of those types of guys. I wonder if some

1339
01:00:16,000 --> 01:00:18,760
Speaker 2: of these corners are in the mix in terms of

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01:00:18,800 --> 01:00:21,320
Speaker 2: covering some tight ends as well. Like Alex Austin seems

1341
01:00:21,360 --> 01:00:24,520
Speaker 2: like a guy it's got some size, got some coverage ability.

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01:00:24,840 --> 01:00:28,160
Speaker 2: Maybe in certain matchups if you're playing a more receiving

1343
01:00:28,320 --> 01:00:31,360
Speaker 2: tight end like a brock Ours, maybe it's it's a

1344
01:00:31,360 --> 01:00:33,720
Speaker 2: guy like Alex Austin. We've seen them do this in

1345
01:00:33,760 --> 01:00:36,560
Speaker 2: the Belichick years in the past. Gilmour had a couple

1346
01:00:36,560 --> 01:00:38,640
Speaker 2: of games against like high level tight ends that he

1347
01:00:38,640 --> 01:00:41,360
Speaker 2: would take the tight end. I remember J C. Jackson

1348
01:00:41,360 --> 01:00:43,640
Speaker 2: did it in the AFC Championship game for a while

1349
01:00:43,680 --> 01:00:47,000
Speaker 2: against Travis Kelce for a good part of that game.

1350
01:00:47,320 --> 01:00:50,680
Speaker 2: So maybe that's something that they could explore with Alex Austin.

1351
01:00:51,320 --> 01:00:55,040
Speaker 2: Maybe it's you know, Austin. Isaiah Bolden's another one there.

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Speaker 2: Maybe it's Carlton Davis like covering some tight ends too,

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01:00:58,080 --> 01:00:59,480
Speaker 2: as a guy that's a little bit bigger and a

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Speaker 2: little bit more physical. I just don't know exactly how

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Speaker 2: they're gonna do it because it was so easy to

1356
01:01:03,480 --> 01:01:06,240
Speaker 2: predict how a Belichick defense was going to handle a

1357
01:01:06,280 --> 01:01:10,040
Speaker 2: tight end. You know, that could really impact the game.

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Speaker 2: How do you feel about them covering tight ends and

1359
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Speaker 2: like how they might go about that.

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Speaker 1: So, Alex Austin's won and I was gonna bring that

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Speaker 1: up before when we were talking about It's actually funny

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Speaker 1: you said that. I also think Craig Woodson is probably

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Speaker 1: guy that's in the mix there. He seemed to have

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Speaker 1: some success with that in spring, had some success that

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Speaker 1: it in college, especially like Marcus Apps was back at

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01:01:31,600 --> 01:01:33,880
Speaker 1: it today. Jalen Hawkins remains involved. So if those are

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Speaker 1: your deep safeties, look I get it now, you're putting

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01:01:35,600 --> 01:01:38,120
Speaker 1: Ford safeties on the field. These guys aren't always gonna

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Speaker 1: be on the field at the same time. Or maybe

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Speaker 1: this is instead of the slot corner or whatever. Right

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01:01:41,560 --> 01:01:43,680
Speaker 1: you're with that big nickel is a big nickel safety.

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Speaker 1: I'm gonna be interested to see Craig Woodson once we

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01:01:46,400 --> 01:01:49,000
Speaker 1: get into one on ones working on Hunter Henry and

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01:01:49,040 --> 01:01:52,040
Speaker 1: hopefully Austin Hooper's back, and how he does against those guys,

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Speaker 1: because I think he's got a pretty good profile for it.

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01:01:53,760 --> 01:01:54,920
Speaker 1: You just got to see if he can do it.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I wonder if some of those corners get in

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01:01:57,760 --> 01:02:00,480
Speaker 2: that mix, because Craig Woodson, I agree, could do some

1379
01:02:00,520 --> 01:02:01,760
Speaker 2: of that thing. That stuff.

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Speaker 1: Now.

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01:02:02,680 --> 01:02:04,560
Speaker 2: I watched some of his tape covering tight ends in

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01:02:04,600 --> 01:02:07,040
Speaker 2: college when they drafted him, like the Syracuse game against

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Speaker 2: Gats and the tight end like but Gatson, it didn't

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Speaker 2: go so well.

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Speaker 1: So yeah, I wouldn't put him on like a brock

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01:02:13,720 --> 01:02:16,360
Speaker 1: Bowers type, and that Gats is obviously not brock Bowers.

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01:02:16,360 --> 01:02:18,400
Speaker 1: But the idea that Gatson literally was a wide receiver

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01:02:18,600 --> 01:02:21,400
Speaker 1: right until I think last year, but the more traditional

1389
01:02:21,480 --> 01:02:23,400
Speaker 1: inline guys I think he could he might be able

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Speaker 1: to hang with.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I could see that, but maybe it's one of

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01:02:26,840 --> 01:02:29,280
Speaker 2: those corners. The other thing that I've been randomly thinking

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Speaker 2: about because I just randomly think about these types of

1394
01:02:31,240 --> 01:02:34,680
Speaker 2: things sometimes. Although I tried not to on my honeymoon.

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01:02:34,720 --> 01:02:35,479
Speaker 2: Don't worry all.

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Speaker 1: Right, that was the one time and I was not

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01:02:37,600 --> 01:02:40,600
Speaker 1: worried in eight years that I probably that I think

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01:02:40,600 --> 01:02:43,680
Speaker 1: I managed to not think about football twenty four to seven.

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Speaker 1: But the one other thing that I've been thinking a

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01:02:46,720 --> 01:02:52,920
Speaker 1: lot about Kean White, Christian Barmore, Milton Williams.

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01:02:53,920 --> 01:02:55,600
Speaker 2: I can see how you can get all three of

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01:02:55,640 --> 01:02:58,200
Speaker 2: those guys on in like more of like a base

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01:02:58,320 --> 01:03:00,360
Speaker 2: Nickel type of look, like a four down on look

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01:03:00,440 --> 01:03:04,200
Speaker 2: with all three of those guys, but at the same time. Ideally,

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01:03:04,760 --> 01:03:08,160
Speaker 2: especially on third down, all three of those guys are

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01:03:08,280 --> 01:03:10,840
Speaker 2: best rushing over the guards right like they like all

1407
01:03:10,880 --> 01:03:14,200
Speaker 2: three of them are guys that you want as interior

1408
01:03:14,440 --> 01:03:18,000
Speaker 2: pocket pushers, like pass rushers on the inside, especially Keon

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01:03:18,160 --> 01:03:20,520
Speaker 2: Like I think Millon Williams and Barmore fit that too.

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01:03:20,560 --> 01:03:23,240
Speaker 2: But just my I guess where I'm going with this,

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01:03:23,880 --> 01:03:25,840
Speaker 2: Like how do you get all three of those guys

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Speaker 2: in in their sweet spot at the same time, and

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01:03:29,400 --> 01:03:31,880
Speaker 2: how do they go about doing that? How does Terrell

1414
01:03:31,920 --> 01:03:34,920
Speaker 2: Williams go about doing that? Is going to be an

1415
01:03:34,960 --> 01:03:38,280
Speaker 2: interesting thing because all three of those guys I think

1416
01:03:38,280 --> 01:03:40,200
Speaker 2: are too good to take off the field on third down.

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01:03:40,240 --> 01:03:41,960
Speaker 2: Like you want all three of those guys rushing on

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01:03:42,000 --> 01:03:44,200
Speaker 2: third down. But does that mean that one of those

1419
01:03:44,240 --> 01:03:47,800
Speaker 2: guys is rushing kind of not at their best spot,

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01:03:47,960 --> 01:03:49,760
Speaker 2: Like maybe it's Kean White and he just has to

1421
01:03:49,840 --> 01:03:52,560
Speaker 2: rush over the tackle or outside the tackle, even though

1422
01:03:52,560 --> 01:03:56,200
Speaker 2: he's not really naturally bendy or like meant to do that.

1423
01:03:56,880 --> 01:03:58,840
Speaker 2: It's an interesting problem to have, Like it's not even

1424
01:03:58,840 --> 01:04:01,360
Speaker 2: a problem, it's just kind of like it's a puzzle

1425
01:04:01,720 --> 01:04:04,720
Speaker 2: of trying to fit that all together. I'm really curious

1426
01:04:04,920 --> 01:04:06,960
Speaker 2: of what their fronts look like because I think some

1427
01:04:07,000 --> 01:04:10,560
Speaker 2: of their fronds when it comes to like there's no rules, right,

1428
01:04:10,720 --> 01:04:12,720
Speaker 2: you can do whatever you want. I think some of

1429
01:04:12,760 --> 01:04:14,840
Speaker 2: their friends, not that they're going to reinvent the wheel,

1430
01:04:14,880 --> 01:04:17,760
Speaker 2: but they might be kind of exotically. It might be

1431
01:04:17,800 --> 01:04:19,919
Speaker 2: kind of fun, like to just chart them and look

1432
01:04:19,960 --> 01:04:21,640
Speaker 2: at them and see what they do week to week

1433
01:04:21,960 --> 01:04:25,160
Speaker 2: in terms of that, because they have three guys that

1434
01:04:25,320 --> 01:04:29,600
Speaker 2: ideally are from zero to three technique on third down,

1435
01:04:30,120 --> 01:04:33,680
Speaker 2: whether you know Williams, bar More, Keon White, and how

1436
01:04:33,680 --> 01:04:35,680
Speaker 2: do they manage to get all three of them on

1437
01:04:35,720 --> 01:04:38,640
Speaker 2: the field all at once on third down is gonna

1438
01:04:38,680 --> 01:04:40,480
Speaker 2: be like a fun little wrinkle. It's kind of like

1439
01:04:40,480 --> 01:04:44,400
Speaker 2: a challenge, honestly for the coaching staff. Do you see

1440
01:04:44,400 --> 01:04:47,840
Speaker 2: what I'm saying? Because it's kind of redundant, right, Like

1441
01:04:47,880 --> 01:04:51,080
Speaker 2: all three of those guys together are a little bit

1442
01:04:51,120 --> 01:04:52,560
Speaker 2: redundant in some respects.

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01:04:52,640 --> 01:04:54,040
Speaker 1: Yeah, but like you said, I think that works in

1444
01:04:54,040 --> 01:04:56,280
Speaker 1: this defense because there's no rules. It's kind of just

1445
01:04:56,320 --> 01:04:58,400
Speaker 1: pin your ears back and going. At that point, I

1446
01:04:58,400 --> 01:05:01,200
Speaker 1: think you're looking at individual ability more than like the

1447
01:05:01,240 --> 01:05:03,360
Speaker 1: fit there is who's behind them. You want to have

1448
01:05:03,360 --> 01:05:05,160
Speaker 1: a linebacker that fits with them. If those two guys

1449
01:05:05,200 --> 01:05:06,600
Speaker 1: can get home, those three guys can get home, or

1450
01:05:06,640 --> 01:05:08,320
Speaker 1: four guys can get home, it doesn't really matter who

1451
01:05:08,320 --> 01:05:10,040
Speaker 1: does it. As long as there's somebody behind them, we

1452
01:05:10,080 --> 01:05:12,280
Speaker 1: can clean up. It's just look, we're all gonna have

1453
01:05:12,320 --> 01:05:13,880
Speaker 1: to adjust. This is all new.

1454
01:05:14,160 --> 01:05:14,640
Speaker 2: It's fun.

1455
01:05:14,720 --> 01:05:16,520
Speaker 1: It's very I like it. I like it. It's good.

1456
01:05:16,560 --> 01:05:18,200
Speaker 1: So I was it's funny. I was like explaining it

1457
01:05:18,200 --> 01:05:21,040
Speaker 1: to my brother the other day, and so I was like, yes,

1458
01:05:21,160 --> 01:05:23,480
Speaker 1: it's like more aggressive and there's less about containing. He's like, oh,

1459
01:05:23,480 --> 01:05:25,160
Speaker 1: so guys are gonna get blown by I'm like, no,

1460
01:05:25,680 --> 01:05:28,640
Speaker 1: that's not how Like, it's just different. It's not better

1461
01:05:28,760 --> 01:05:32,840
Speaker 1: or worse. It's a different philosophy. This thing executed at

1462
01:05:32,880 --> 01:05:35,560
Speaker 1: a high level is better than that thing executed at

1463
01:05:35,600 --> 01:05:37,160
Speaker 1: a low level. That thing at a high level is

1464
01:05:37,160 --> 01:05:39,000
Speaker 1: better than this at a low level. It's just do

1465
01:05:39,040 --> 01:05:41,120
Speaker 1: you have the personnel to fit it and can you

1466
01:05:41,200 --> 01:05:44,120
Speaker 1: execute it? And they overhaul the personnel this offseason and

1467
01:05:44,240 --> 01:05:46,200
Speaker 1: bar Moore is just so good he can fit anything.

1468
01:05:46,520 --> 01:05:49,320
Speaker 1: So it's gonna be interesting to see how it goes.

1469
01:05:49,360 --> 01:05:51,160
Speaker 1: But yeah, it's gonna be an adjustment period because again

1470
01:05:51,200 --> 01:05:53,840
Speaker 1: it's not you're not looking all right, well, this guy's

1471
01:05:53,880 --> 01:05:56,480
Speaker 1: gonna two gap and then this guy's gonna occupy the edge.

1472
01:05:56,600 --> 01:05:59,720
Speaker 1: Just go. It's just get out of your stance and go.

1473
01:06:00,480 --> 01:06:03,480
Speaker 1: And you're more worried about the linebacker handling the finer points,

1474
01:06:03,560 --> 01:06:06,000
Speaker 1: whereas in the other one it was those guys having

1475
01:06:06,000 --> 01:06:08,440
Speaker 1: the details and you're telling the linebacker just go, just

1476
01:06:08,480 --> 01:06:11,240
Speaker 1: pick a hole and go and get downhill and clog

1477
01:06:11,280 --> 01:06:14,560
Speaker 1: it up. It's it's basically the same. It's just inverted.

1478
01:06:14,760 --> 01:06:15,880
Speaker 1: The whole thing's just inverted.

1479
01:06:16,240 --> 01:06:21,320
Speaker 2: So I do wonder with Barmore. Yeah, there's some guys like,

1480
01:06:21,520 --> 01:06:24,200
Speaker 2: you know, not to put him on this expectation, but.

1481
01:06:24,240 --> 01:06:26,360
Speaker 1: Like Chris Jones, Yeah, with the Chiefs.

1482
01:06:26,480 --> 01:06:29,040
Speaker 2: Chris Jones plays a lot of defensive end for Kansas City.

1483
01:06:29,240 --> 01:06:33,960
Speaker 2: He's not a pure tackle tackle. Yeah, he's like a

1484
01:06:34,040 --> 01:06:36,480
Speaker 2: hybrid guy that plays a lot outside or over the

1485
01:06:36,480 --> 01:06:39,600
Speaker 2: tackle is like a five technique or whatever. I could

1486
01:06:39,640 --> 01:06:41,040
Speaker 2: see bar Moore evolving into that.

1487
01:06:41,040 --> 01:06:42,400
Speaker 1: I see Milli Williams doing that too.

1488
01:06:42,600 --> 01:06:44,880
Speaker 2: See I think Millon Williams, like I could see him

1489
01:06:44,920 --> 01:06:46,960
Speaker 2: doing it because he's talented. He could probably do anything.

1490
01:06:47,200 --> 01:06:48,920
Speaker 2: But like, I think they really want to put Millon

1491
01:06:48,960 --> 01:06:52,720
Speaker 2: Williams at his natural position at the three technique Jeffrey

1492
01:06:52,760 --> 01:06:54,280
Speaker 2: Simmons style and just let him eat well.

1493
01:06:54,320 --> 01:06:57,080
Speaker 1: The other thing about it is when you're in this setup,

1494
01:06:57,200 --> 01:07:00,320
Speaker 1: when you're in a three four, even if you're playing end,

1495
01:07:01,200 --> 01:07:04,160
Speaker 1: you might be a three four end lined up in

1496
01:07:04,240 --> 01:07:07,560
Speaker 1: a spot where a four to three tackle would be.

1497
01:07:08,120 --> 01:07:10,760
Speaker 1: So Christian Barmber can be an end in that he's

1498
01:07:10,840 --> 01:07:14,840
Speaker 1: uncovered on the defensive line, but they could do that

1499
01:07:14,880 --> 01:07:17,320
Speaker 1: from a narrow split and like he's still taking on

1500
01:07:17,440 --> 01:07:20,120
Speaker 1: at guards outside shoulder, which he might be doing as

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01:07:20,120 --> 01:07:22,480
Speaker 1: a tackle if they're playing the end out wide in

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01:07:22,520 --> 01:07:26,240
Speaker 1: a four to three, So you can mimic some of

1503
01:07:26,240 --> 01:07:29,360
Speaker 1: that stuff. I think it's kind of the break outside

1504
01:07:29,400 --> 01:07:30,200
Speaker 1: the tackle, right.

1505
01:07:30,640 --> 01:07:33,480
Speaker 2: Yeah, we talk about techniques like five techniques straight up

1506
01:07:33,520 --> 01:07:36,960
Speaker 2: over the tackle. Four IY is like inside shaded.

1507
01:07:36,760 --> 01:07:38,760
Speaker 1: Like how much are you playing even if he's playing end,

1508
01:07:38,800 --> 01:07:40,680
Speaker 1: is he playing end wider than a five tech.

1509
01:07:40,880 --> 01:07:42,920
Speaker 2: No, but I think he might play a lot more

1510
01:07:42,920 --> 01:07:43,919
Speaker 2: of that four I five.

1511
01:07:44,000 --> 01:07:47,000
Speaker 1: But there are times whereas a defensive tackle, you're playing

1512
01:07:47,000 --> 01:07:49,240
Speaker 1: four in a four to three, not a three four,

1513
01:07:49,240 --> 01:07:51,240
Speaker 1: but in a four to three. Uh, because you're gonna

1514
01:07:51,240 --> 01:07:53,520
Speaker 1: put Maybe because there I'm going on mixing defenses here,

1515
01:07:53,560 --> 01:07:55,160
Speaker 1: but like you're gonna put Ninkovic out in a five

1516
01:07:55,240 --> 01:07:58,160
Speaker 1: wide right, and he's the defensive end. You're gonna put

1517
01:07:58,200 --> 01:08:00,000
Speaker 1: him all the way out there. So maybe you're your defense.

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01:08:00,040 --> 01:08:02,720
Speaker 1: It's a tackle right, Vince will Fork, that's your nose.

1519
01:08:03,120 --> 01:08:05,480
Speaker 1: You're not gonna put. And I don't know why I'm

1520
01:08:05,520 --> 01:08:07,240
Speaker 1: using an old defense to do this with bar Moore.

1521
01:08:08,400 --> 01:08:10,200
Speaker 1: I'm just thinking the players who played the roles. Yeah,

1522
01:08:10,240 --> 01:08:13,240
Speaker 1: you're not gonna put bar more you know, half a

1523
01:08:13,280 --> 01:08:15,800
Speaker 1: gap over from the nose. That just doesn't make any sense.

1524
01:08:16,280 --> 01:08:18,760
Speaker 1: So some of it still translates.

1525
01:08:19,000 --> 01:08:23,360
Speaker 2: What it really comes down to is not like we

1526
01:08:23,360 --> 01:08:24,880
Speaker 2: don't have to get caught up in the minutia of

1527
01:08:24,920 --> 01:08:27,679
Speaker 2: the techniques. It's the gaps right, like are you playing

1528
01:08:27,960 --> 01:08:30,320
Speaker 2: the A the B or you're playing the edge right? Like,

1529
01:08:30,400 --> 01:08:33,080
Speaker 2: which what are you doing? Gap wise? So you can

1530
01:08:33,240 --> 01:08:35,960
Speaker 2: line up bar More in a couple of different spots,

1531
01:08:35,960 --> 01:08:39,240
Speaker 2: and technically he still has the B gap right, whether

1532
01:08:39,400 --> 01:08:42,320
Speaker 2: he's a three technique, whether he's a four, I, whether

1533
01:08:42,360 --> 01:08:45,200
Speaker 2: he's a five up over the tackle like five's usually

1534
01:08:45,240 --> 01:08:47,360
Speaker 2: are more of like a two gapping role, like you're

1535
01:08:47,400 --> 01:08:50,760
Speaker 2: playing both of it, and that's what the four.

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01:08:51,120 --> 01:08:54,559
Speaker 1: And he has a linebacker over his shoulder, he probably

1537
01:08:54,640 --> 01:08:56,320
Speaker 1: isn't gonna be responsible for the edge. It's gonna be

1538
01:08:56,360 --> 01:08:58,360
Speaker 1: that linebacker unless they're having like a twist or something.

1539
01:08:58,439 --> 01:09:01,040
Speaker 2: Right, So I've meant to see what they do with

1540
01:09:01,120 --> 01:09:02,840
Speaker 2: bar Moore because I think that his role is going

1541
01:09:02,920 --> 01:09:05,080
Speaker 2: to be pretty versatile in terms of kicking out a

1542
01:09:05,120 --> 01:09:08,360
Speaker 2: little bit further to free up opportunities for key On

1543
01:09:08,439 --> 01:09:10,040
Speaker 2: White to rush a little bit more inside.

1544
01:09:10,080 --> 01:09:11,639
Speaker 1: Well, then there's a key. I think key On White's

1545
01:09:11,680 --> 01:09:13,439
Speaker 1: the real chess piece. I can't white and play anymore.

1546
01:09:13,520 --> 01:09:16,720
Speaker 2: Yeah, he has played everywhere. I assume that that's going

1547
01:09:16,760 --> 01:09:19,800
Speaker 2: to continue as well. Alex's bind the glass. We have

1548
01:09:19,840 --> 01:09:22,680
Speaker 2: any emails, I feel like we don't have it. We

1549
01:09:22,720 --> 01:09:24,000
Speaker 2: don't have any emails.

1550
01:09:24,200 --> 01:09:26,519
Speaker 1: I am shocked by They just want to talk about practice.

1551
01:09:26,560 --> 01:09:28,519
Speaker 2: They just want us to talk about practice. All right, Well,

1552
01:09:28,520 --> 01:09:33,519
Speaker 2: I'm going to talk about YouTube. I noticed that there's

1553
01:09:33,560 --> 01:09:36,120
Speaker 2: no emails, and I am so surprised. I usually we

1554
01:09:36,640 --> 01:09:39,559
Speaker 2: get tons of emails. What's going on out there? All right?

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Speaker 2: I feel like I haven't read that one in a while,

1569
01:10:22,920 --> 01:10:23,400
Speaker 2: so I want to.

1570
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Speaker 1: I mean, we haven't been You guys got a show

1571
01:10:25,760 --> 01:10:27,840
Speaker 1: two weeks ago, but that was pre recorded we haven't

1572
01:10:27,880 --> 01:10:28,920
Speaker 1: done a show in like three weeks.

1573
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Speaker 2: I know it's been a while. All right, Colleen is

1574
01:10:31,160 --> 01:10:32,400
Speaker 2: in Texas. What's up colleing?

1575
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Speaker 1: Hey guys.

1576
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Speaker 3: So I was wondering about the pup list. So if

1577
01:10:39,400 --> 01:10:43,000
Speaker 3: Jalen Polk wasn't able to perform, why wouldn't he be

1578
01:10:43,120 --> 01:10:45,360
Speaker 3: on that list? I guess, like, is there more to

1579
01:10:45,479 --> 01:10:48,160
Speaker 3: it than that? And thanks for taking my call, No

1580
01:10:48,200 --> 01:10:48,679
Speaker 3: problem calling.

1581
01:10:48,760 --> 01:10:49,439
Speaker 2: It's a great question.

1582
01:10:49,600 --> 01:10:51,160
Speaker 1: That's that's question.

1583
01:10:51,360 --> 01:10:53,759
Speaker 2: It's a very fair question. The pup list is made

1584
01:10:53,840 --> 01:10:58,000
Speaker 2: for players like Jalen Polk, guys that experienced football injuries

1585
01:10:58,920 --> 01:11:01,880
Speaker 2: in a football game or football practice at the facility

1586
01:11:02,360 --> 01:11:05,720
Speaker 2: and are not able to practice. So I couldn't tell

1587
01:11:05,720 --> 01:11:08,599
Speaker 2: you why they didn't place them on pup I don't know.

1588
01:11:08,680 --> 01:11:09,479
Speaker 2: I have no idea.

1589
01:11:09,560 --> 01:11:11,719
Speaker 1: And you can activate him anytime you I mean until

1590
01:11:11,720 --> 01:11:13,759
Speaker 1: the season starts, you can activate him any time you want.

1591
01:11:13,800 --> 01:11:18,320
Speaker 1: Like was on it and then he was off the

1592
01:11:18,360 --> 01:11:21,720
Speaker 1: bit between him getting placed in the first practice, he

1593
01:11:21,760 --> 01:11:23,800
Speaker 1: was taken off. So no, that's a good question. I

1594
01:11:23,840 --> 01:11:26,559
Speaker 1: was a little surprised that Polk wasn't on there that

1595
01:11:26,640 --> 01:11:28,840
Speaker 1: if he can't participate, unless they thought he was going

1596
01:11:28,880 --> 01:11:31,080
Speaker 1: to be able to participate today and something happened.

1597
01:11:32,040 --> 01:11:35,760
Speaker 2: Yeah. I don't really understand that one either, So we'll

1598
01:11:35,800 --> 01:11:39,080
Speaker 2: see what goes on with him tomorrow. Or like you said,

1599
01:11:39,120 --> 01:11:41,400
Speaker 2: maybe it was they anticipated that he was going to

1600
01:11:41,439 --> 01:11:43,320
Speaker 2: be a good to go and they got out there

1601
01:11:43,439 --> 01:11:45,960
Speaker 2: practice and he just wasn't ready. I have no idea.

1602
01:11:46,560 --> 01:11:50,000
Speaker 2: It is an interesting thing I would also want to

1603
01:11:50,040 --> 01:11:52,200
Speaker 2: put out there. I want to talk a little bit

1604
01:11:52,240 --> 01:11:53,840
Speaker 2: more about the left guard position now. I have some

1605
01:11:53,880 --> 01:11:55,519
Speaker 2: emails coming in and we can get to those as well.

1606
01:11:55,520 --> 01:11:58,439
Speaker 2: But we mentioned Cole Strange was with the top unit

1607
01:11:58,479 --> 01:12:00,880
Speaker 2: for most of it. We did see Kayden Wallace a

1608
01:12:00,920 --> 01:12:02,880
Speaker 2: little bit at left guard. We basically saw everybody a

1609
01:12:02,920 --> 01:12:04,920
Speaker 2: little bit at left guard, like Caden. And I don't

1610
01:12:04,920 --> 01:12:06,320
Speaker 2: mean with the top group, but I just mean in

1611
01:12:06,360 --> 01:12:11,000
Speaker 2: general within practice. So cole Strange right now has got

1612
01:12:11,000 --> 01:12:13,800
Speaker 2: the inside track. I think that he's gonna think you

1613
01:12:13,840 --> 01:12:15,639
Speaker 2: said it earlier, like something's gonna have to go wrong

1614
01:12:15,720 --> 01:12:18,200
Speaker 2: probably for Cole Strange shall lose that job, like he's

1615
01:12:18,200 --> 01:12:22,599
Speaker 2: gonna ye, his performance is going to have to really suffer.

1616
01:12:22,680 --> 01:12:26,280
Speaker 2: So Cole Strange, Caden Wallace was in there as well,

1617
01:12:26,280 --> 01:12:29,400
Speaker 2: which is interesting. I did see Jared Wilson take a

1618
01:12:29,439 --> 01:12:32,519
Speaker 2: few reps there at left guard, and Leydon Robinson took

1619
01:12:32,520 --> 01:12:35,480
Speaker 2: a few as well. Now this isn't just with Drake,

1620
01:12:35,920 --> 01:12:40,160
Speaker 2: with all the different quarterbacks, but I still remain interested

1621
01:12:40,200 --> 01:12:44,599
Speaker 2: in the Kayden Wallace experiment of moving him inside. But

1622
01:12:44,640 --> 01:12:46,840
Speaker 2: it does really feel like left guard is is Cole

1623
01:12:46,880 --> 01:12:47,840
Speaker 2: Strange's job to lose.

1624
01:12:48,600 --> 01:12:51,000
Speaker 1: That feels more secure than center right now. Which again

1625
01:12:51,080 --> 01:12:52,320
Speaker 1: I was the one saying there was going to be

1626
01:12:52,400 --> 01:12:56,000
Speaker 1: a center battle, but I didn't think it was gonna

1627
01:12:56,040 --> 01:12:56,960
Speaker 1: be this quick, this much.

1628
01:12:57,360 --> 01:13:01,280
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, it's an interesting thing. All right, Let's get

1629
01:13:01,280 --> 01:13:04,440
Speaker 2: to some of these emails. So Zach is in South Carolina.

1630
01:13:04,560 --> 01:13:07,400
Speaker 2: He emails in he says, where does mac Collins fit

1631
01:13:07,479 --> 01:13:10,000
Speaker 2: with this offense? Along with to Von Diggs and Hunter Henry,

1632
01:13:10,040 --> 01:13:12,720
Speaker 2: I feel like his name isn't mentioned as much. He

1633
01:13:12,800 --> 01:13:15,439
Speaker 2: seems like you'd be a great playmaker. Along with his

1634
01:13:15,479 --> 01:13:17,920
Speaker 2: costumes he wears every Sunday. He does wear some great

1635
01:13:18,200 --> 01:13:23,400
Speaker 2: fits every Sunday. So Matt Collins, I actually really think

1636
01:13:23,880 --> 01:13:28,160
Speaker 2: MATC Collins. Maybe I have Matt Collins like more closely

1637
01:13:28,320 --> 01:13:30,240
Speaker 2: to a lock than other people do, I guess is

1638
01:13:30,240 --> 01:13:32,200
Speaker 2: the best way to put it. Yeah, I feel like

1639
01:13:32,240 --> 01:13:33,880
Speaker 2: some people have thrown him out there as like a

1640
01:13:33,880 --> 01:13:36,760
Speaker 2: surprise cut candidate. The reason why Zach he hasn't been

1641
01:13:36,760 --> 01:13:39,040
Speaker 2: talked about is because he's not practicing. Like it's hard

1642
01:13:39,040 --> 01:13:41,160
Speaker 2: to talk about a guy that's not practicing. But I

1643
01:13:41,320 --> 01:13:44,120
Speaker 2: just look at MATC. Collins as like it's just the

1644
01:13:44,280 --> 01:13:48,839
Speaker 2: overall role on the team. A guy that's a veteran

1645
01:13:49,520 --> 01:13:52,080
Speaker 2: is known as a leader, is known as a guy

1646
01:13:52,080 --> 01:13:55,280
Speaker 2: that's a good example for younger guys that room needed,

1647
01:13:55,360 --> 01:13:57,519
Speaker 2: like a culture shit. Ye, And he's like a culture

1648
01:13:57,640 --> 01:13:57,960
Speaker 2: kind of.

1649
01:13:57,920 --> 01:14:01,559
Speaker 1: Guy that he can play in the kick game. They

1650
01:14:01,560 --> 01:14:04,439
Speaker 1: gave him just enough money where it's worth mentioning. They

1651
01:14:04,439 --> 01:14:06,519
Speaker 1: gave him enough money that like if they walked away,

1652
01:14:07,080 --> 01:14:08,960
Speaker 1: wouldn't be the end of the world, would be notable.

1653
01:14:09,439 --> 01:14:09,639
Speaker 2: Yeah.

1654
01:14:09,640 --> 01:14:13,200
Speaker 1: I think it's like four million dollars, right, I think

1655
01:14:13,200 --> 01:14:16,160
Speaker 1: he's gonna be here. Uh kind of related on YouTube, Bunts,

1656
01:14:16,160 --> 01:14:19,200
Speaker 1: it not Brunson, So don't worry Buns. And would you

1657
01:14:19,240 --> 01:14:21,720
Speaker 1: be surprised if Baker makes the team over Polk.

1658
01:14:22,960 --> 01:14:29,680
Speaker 2: Yes, But I think with Javon Baker, the issue for

1659
01:14:29,800 --> 01:14:33,000
Speaker 2: him is like is he at best like the third

1660
01:14:33,080 --> 01:14:36,920
Speaker 2: string X right now? Because like if you consider Stefon

1661
01:14:37,000 --> 01:14:39,160
Speaker 2: Diggs and Kyle Williams are probably gonna play a little

1662
01:14:39,160 --> 01:14:42,439
Speaker 2: bit in that spot, you know, at least split it

1663
01:14:42,560 --> 01:14:44,639
Speaker 2: or whatever you want to call it. They're gonna play

1664
01:14:44,640 --> 01:14:47,439
Speaker 2: a little bit there. Kayshan Boody's gonna play, I think

1665
01:14:47,560 --> 01:14:49,439
Speaker 2: is gonna make the team, and he's gonna play there,

1666
01:14:49,680 --> 01:14:51,760
Speaker 2: or at least as ahead of Javon Baker from making

1667
01:14:51,760 --> 01:14:54,599
Speaker 2: the team right now. So Javon Baker, it's just more

1668
01:14:55,600 --> 01:14:57,479
Speaker 2: in a lot of ways, I just feel like there's

1669
01:14:58,040 --> 01:15:00,320
Speaker 2: a lot of there's bodies in front of him, as

1670
01:15:00,360 --> 01:15:02,320
Speaker 2: well as the fact that he was only a fourth

1671
01:15:02,360 --> 01:15:04,760
Speaker 2: round pick and had a second round pick, and he

1672
01:15:04,840 --> 01:15:07,080
Speaker 2: still has some of the similar issues in terms of

1673
01:15:07,160 --> 01:15:09,600
Speaker 2: performance that we've seen out of Jale and Polk. So

1674
01:15:09,920 --> 01:15:11,640
Speaker 2: I still feel like I give Polk a little bit

1675
01:15:11,640 --> 01:15:12,720
Speaker 2: of of an edge there.

1676
01:15:12,800 --> 01:15:14,559
Speaker 1: I still think with Polk there's a chance he maybe

1677
01:15:14,600 --> 01:15:16,720
Speaker 1: opens on ir if he's not fully back or so

1678
01:15:16,800 --> 01:15:19,240
Speaker 1: what they could do. So, I don't remember the last

1679
01:15:19,280 --> 01:15:20,439
Speaker 1: time this happened. I know you can do it, but

1680
01:15:20,479 --> 01:15:22,200
Speaker 1: I remember the last time it happened with the Patriots.

1681
01:15:22,439 --> 01:15:27,240
Speaker 1: So you're ineligible for pup once you practice Polk technically

1682
01:15:27,280 --> 01:15:30,400
Speaker 1: didn't practice today? Could they put him on pup tomorrow?

1683
01:15:33,080 --> 01:15:36,280
Speaker 2: I guess they wanted to if he didn't officially practice,

1684
01:15:36,280 --> 01:15:39,559
Speaker 2: and I suppose, yeah, you can't. Only the rules is

1685
01:15:39,560 --> 01:15:41,520
Speaker 2: you can't go on people once you've actually.

1686
01:15:41,200 --> 01:15:43,479
Speaker 1: So I remember Barmore last year, like they couldn't put

1687
01:15:43,520 --> 01:15:48,400
Speaker 1: him on pup because he stretched once, right, So I did,

1688
01:15:48,439 --> 01:15:50,479
Speaker 1: because then you save the IR spot, like I if

1689
01:15:50,560 --> 01:15:55,240
Speaker 1: Polk so behind, I because I Diggs. We talked about

1690
01:15:55,240 --> 01:15:56,640
Speaker 1: like where he was in the spring to where he

1691
01:15:56,720 --> 01:16:00,160
Speaker 1: is now, he made progress. Polk doesn't feel like or

1692
01:16:00,200 --> 01:16:01,679
Speaker 1: I mean, this is what he was limited in the spring.

1693
01:16:01,680 --> 01:16:03,200
Speaker 1: He didn't do any real team drills in the spring.

1694
01:16:03,280 --> 01:16:04,960
Speaker 1: He's not doing it now. There is no progress there.

1695
01:16:05,120 --> 01:16:08,200
Speaker 1: Maybe there's progress within that, but it's not a lot.

1696
01:16:08,720 --> 01:16:10,439
Speaker 1: Do they put him on pup or do they wait

1697
01:16:10,479 --> 01:16:12,000
Speaker 1: till the end? It can't put him on IR and

1698
01:16:12,800 --> 01:16:14,280
Speaker 1: do you want to count that as making the team

1699
01:16:14,360 --> 01:16:16,840
Speaker 1: or not? But like not on the initial fifty three

1700
01:16:16,880 --> 01:16:17,519
Speaker 1: but still here?

1701
01:16:17,960 --> 01:16:21,080
Speaker 2: Yeah, agreed? All right? David and Span emails and he

1702
01:16:21,080 --> 01:16:22,439
Speaker 2: has a bone to pick with me, which I know

1703
01:16:22,479 --> 01:16:24,880
Speaker 2: you love when people have bones suspected me. He does

1704
01:16:24,920 --> 01:16:27,040
Speaker 2: love our show. I know you do, David, you're a

1705
01:16:27,080 --> 01:16:29,920
Speaker 2: longtime listener. I appreciate that. So this is going back

1706
01:16:29,920 --> 01:16:32,000
Speaker 2: to the draft. So we're putting training camp to the

1707
01:16:32,040 --> 01:16:33,720
Speaker 2: side for a second. We're going back to the draft.

1708
01:16:33,760 --> 01:16:35,280
Speaker 2: And this is a little long, So do you bear

1709
01:16:35,320 --> 01:16:37,840
Speaker 2: with me here? So he says that I have a

1710
01:16:37,880 --> 01:16:41,040
Speaker 2: huge bone to pick with Evan about the Henderson versus

1711
01:16:41,120 --> 01:16:45,080
Speaker 2: Luther Burden debate, which is a debate like that they

1712
01:16:45,120 --> 01:16:46,200
Speaker 2: could have picked either one of those.

1713
01:16:46,360 --> 01:16:49,280
Speaker 1: They were never drafting Luther Burt, but they will discuss the.

1714
01:16:49,240 --> 01:16:53,040
Speaker 2: Two even even I hate when people do that, and

1715
01:16:53,080 --> 01:16:55,639
Speaker 2: I just did it to myself. Evan said that if

1716
01:16:55,680 --> 01:16:58,160
Speaker 2: Burden became a star player, people would forget about the

1717
01:16:58,200 --> 01:17:01,519
Speaker 2: circumstances and quotes why the Patriots didn't pick him, and

1718
01:17:01,600 --> 01:17:04,280
Speaker 2: the culture problem in quotes again, which is a big

1719
01:17:04,320 --> 01:17:07,479
Speaker 2: sea concern pre draft, and I call it bs Evan.

1720
01:17:07,720 --> 01:17:10,719
Speaker 2: I still stand by that. If let me finish the email,

1721
01:17:10,760 --> 01:17:13,559
Speaker 2: then we can we can Rebut if it was a

1722
01:17:13,600 --> 01:17:16,400
Speaker 2: perennial playoff team that drabbed him, then I would understand

1723
01:17:16,400 --> 01:17:18,880
Speaker 2: your point. But it's no other than the Chicago Bears,

1724
01:17:18,920 --> 01:17:21,000
Speaker 2: another team with the first year head coach and a

1725
01:17:21,040 --> 01:17:23,240
Speaker 2: culture problem, especially in that wider serier room with the

1726
01:17:23,240 --> 01:17:26,320
Speaker 2: attitude of DJ Moore. Okay, if Burton becomes a star,

1727
01:17:26,400 --> 01:17:28,439
Speaker 2: he'll be considered a better pick than Henderson due to

1728
01:17:28,439 --> 01:17:31,479
Speaker 2: positional value, and there are no excuses. I love Henderson

1729
01:17:31,520 --> 01:17:33,600
Speaker 2: and still believe he's a great pick, but that is

1730
01:17:33,640 --> 01:17:36,000
Speaker 2: the reality of the Chicago has rolled the dice that

1731
01:17:36,080 --> 01:17:38,519
Speaker 2: the Patriots chose not to and the outcome has not

1732
01:17:38,600 --> 01:17:40,720
Speaker 2: been seen. Okay, I don't really understand the point here

1733
01:17:40,760 --> 01:17:41,439
Speaker 2: that he's made.

1734
01:17:41,280 --> 01:17:42,680
Speaker 1: Right, No, it sounds like he agrees with you, Like

1735
01:17:42,760 --> 01:17:46,280
Speaker 1: you know, if Burton's good, people are gonna harp on that,

1736
01:17:46,400 --> 01:17:48,800
Speaker 1: just like they harped on them. They forgot with Lad mccaukey.

1737
01:17:49,360 --> 01:17:52,160
Speaker 1: Lad mccaukeye at a back injury, yeah, Ladd mccaukee at

1738
01:17:52,160 --> 01:17:55,920
Speaker 1: a history of injury issues like chronic injury issues that

1739
01:17:56,040 --> 01:17:58,040
Speaker 1: I don't I can't sit here and tell you that's

1740
01:17:58,040 --> 01:17:59,640
Speaker 1: why the Patriots didn't take him. I don't know. I

1741
01:17:59,640 --> 01:18:01,920
Speaker 1: wasn't in a room. That's part of the reason he

1742
01:18:01,960 --> 01:18:03,679
Speaker 1: fell as far as he did. And there were teams

1743
01:18:03,680 --> 01:18:06,760
Speaker 1: that had him ranked much lower because of the injuries. Yeah,

1744
01:18:06,800 --> 01:18:08,639
Speaker 1: but we forget about that because he's a good player.

1745
01:18:08,800 --> 01:18:11,200
Speaker 1: Because it worked out. So yeah, no, same thing's gonna

1746
01:18:11,200 --> 01:18:12,840
Speaker 1: happen with Burden. I forget which side of it you

1747
01:18:12,840 --> 01:18:13,559
Speaker 1: were on, but that's how.

1748
01:18:13,640 --> 01:18:15,680
Speaker 2: I was on that side. Yeah, Like I said that,

1749
01:18:15,760 --> 01:18:18,519
Speaker 2: if the one the comparison I always come back to

1750
01:18:18,760 --> 01:18:22,080
Speaker 2: because to me, this is the one that that grinds

1751
01:18:22,200 --> 01:18:24,360
Speaker 2: my gears the most is George Pickens.

1752
01:18:24,600 --> 01:18:27,840
Speaker 1: Like George Pickens, George Pickens would not have worked here.

1753
01:18:28,920 --> 01:18:31,800
Speaker 2: It's a different time period of Patriots football, a different era,

1754
01:18:32,160 --> 01:18:34,680
Speaker 2: but it's the same thing. Like George Pickens came into

1755
01:18:34,680 --> 01:18:36,080
Speaker 2: the league, he was hurt. First of all, he had

1756
01:18:36,080 --> 01:18:38,479
Speaker 2: an injury. That's different from Luther Burden. But George Pickens

1757
01:18:38,560 --> 01:18:40,880
Speaker 2: had towards a cl in college. He didn't play a

1758
01:18:40,920 --> 01:18:43,320
Speaker 2: ton of college football. But on top of that, he

1759
01:18:43,360 --> 01:18:45,960
Speaker 2: also had some concerns about character. He had some characters.

1760
01:18:45,960 --> 01:18:47,559
Speaker 1: I mean, he also didn't play because he got suspended

1761
01:18:47,560 --> 01:18:47,840
Speaker 1: a couple.

1762
01:18:47,920 --> 01:18:51,400
Speaker 2: Yes, they were a legit character concerns, which by the way,

1763
01:18:51,960 --> 01:18:54,320
Speaker 2: pretty much followed him to Pittsburgh too. But like I know,

1764
01:18:54,360 --> 01:18:56,840
Speaker 2: he's productive when he plays, but he kind of wore

1765
01:18:56,840 --> 01:18:58,639
Speaker 2: it as welcome in Pittsburgh as well, and that's why

1766
01:18:58,640 --> 01:19:03,920
Speaker 2: he's not there anymore. So all that being said, Uh,

1767
01:19:04,320 --> 01:19:07,360
Speaker 2: nobody looks at the George Pickens draft and says the

1768
01:19:07,400 --> 01:19:11,280
Speaker 2: Patriots were right to pass on George Pickens because if

1769
01:19:11,280 --> 01:19:14,360
Speaker 2: his attitude problems or his character concerns, they only look

1770
01:19:14,360 --> 01:19:17,080
Speaker 2: at the production that George Pickens has had in Pittsburgh

1771
01:19:17,080 --> 01:19:20,000
Speaker 2: and will probably have in Dallas and use it against

1772
01:19:20,040 --> 01:19:22,200
Speaker 2: the Patriots. It's like this big thing. That's what I

1773
01:19:22,280 --> 01:19:24,000
Speaker 2: was saying about burden. It burden goes on to be

1774
01:19:24,040 --> 01:19:27,080
Speaker 2: George Pickens in Chicago and he's a he's a you know,

1775
01:19:27,479 --> 01:19:29,360
Speaker 2: brand name. I don't know if George Pickens is a star,

1776
01:19:29,560 --> 01:19:30,920
Speaker 2: but like he's a good player.

1777
01:19:31,400 --> 01:19:32,839
Speaker 1: Uh that tackle on Thorne.

1778
01:19:32,840 --> 01:19:36,120
Speaker 2: We are going to be taught and Treyvon Henderson could

1779
01:19:36,400 --> 01:19:38,880
Speaker 2: be equally as good. And maybe this will go away.

1780
01:19:39,120 --> 01:19:42,280
Speaker 1: I will because a running back versus receiver. But people say,

1781
01:19:42,280 --> 01:19:44,400
Speaker 1: what would you rather have the star receiver start running back?

1782
01:19:44,400 --> 01:19:47,080
Speaker 1: But it won't be as loud, it won't But and

1783
01:19:47,120 --> 01:19:48,840
Speaker 1: but at least for me, I don't want to speak

1784
01:19:48,840 --> 01:19:51,479
Speaker 1: forre you for me, it's not to excuse it, it's

1785
01:19:51,640 --> 01:19:52,320
Speaker 1: just you.

1786
01:19:52,800 --> 01:19:53,519
Speaker 2: I hate.

1787
01:19:54,560 --> 01:19:56,559
Speaker 1: You can't grade the draft. I don't want to say

1788
01:19:56,560 --> 01:19:59,639
Speaker 1: you can't grade the draft. Retroactively, but like, you can't

1789
01:19:59,640 --> 01:20:04,400
Speaker 1: ignore that. You could argue, oh, they shouldn't care so

1790
01:20:04,560 --> 01:20:07,800
Speaker 1: much about these character things and they should have taken them,

1791
01:20:08,120 --> 01:20:10,320
Speaker 1: But you can't sit there and say, why didn't they

1792
01:20:10,360 --> 01:20:12,959
Speaker 1: take them? We know why they didn't take George Pickens.

1793
01:20:13,360 --> 01:20:15,280
Speaker 1: We were pretty good idea why they didn't take George Pickens.

1794
01:20:15,280 --> 01:20:17,160
Speaker 1: Were a pretty good idea why they didn't take Luther Burden.

1795
01:20:17,760 --> 01:20:20,160
Speaker 1: If you want to say that they're weighing certain things

1796
01:20:20,200 --> 01:20:23,280
Speaker 1: more than they should be weighing them, that's a fair argument.

1797
01:20:24,000 --> 01:20:26,240
Speaker 1: But you can't say, oh, you know, they thought he sucked.

1798
01:20:26,640 --> 01:20:29,519
Speaker 1: You know, they blew the evaluation right, because that's not

1799
01:20:30,080 --> 01:20:33,560
Speaker 1: by all reporting, that's not what happened. Yeah, they we

1800
01:20:33,920 --> 01:20:35,320
Speaker 1: do this all the time. At the draft, they didn't

1801
01:20:35,320 --> 01:20:37,880
Speaker 1: believe the guy. So I feel like the medical.

1802
01:20:39,120 --> 01:20:43,720
Speaker 2: Misunderstood or because misheard me. I don't know, maybe I

1803
01:20:43,880 --> 01:20:46,479
Speaker 2: did a bad job of explaining it. I was saying

1804
01:20:46,560 --> 01:20:49,080
Speaker 2: that if Luther Burden goes on to be a star player,

1805
01:20:49,720 --> 01:20:52,479
Speaker 2: nobody's going to care that Luther Burden had character concerns

1806
01:20:52,520 --> 01:20:54,160
Speaker 2: coming out of college. It's going to be the Patriots

1807
01:20:54,160 --> 01:20:56,599
Speaker 2: passed on another star receiver, and it was Luther Burdon.

1808
01:20:57,080 --> 01:20:59,200
Speaker 2: We're gonna be putting him in the category of AJ

1809
01:20:59,360 --> 01:21:03,839
Speaker 2: Brown and a DK Metcalf and Terry McLaurin and George

1810
01:21:03,880 --> 01:21:06,519
Speaker 2: Pickens and like all the other ones that everybody always

1811
01:21:06,560 --> 01:21:08,519
Speaker 2: talks about all the time.

1812
01:21:08,640 --> 01:21:11,120
Speaker 1: Yeah, that's it. I'll a get I'll even throw Latin

1813
01:21:11,120 --> 01:21:13,680
Speaker 1: Conky in her. I was hasn't about Latin Conking, not

1814
01:21:13,680 --> 01:21:16,120
Speaker 1: because I thought he couldn't play because he the injuries. Yeah,

1815
01:21:16,160 --> 01:21:18,519
Speaker 1: he had pretty significant and maybe they still come up.

1816
01:21:18,960 --> 01:21:21,880
Speaker 1: Malcolm Mitchell had a really good first year, right, right,

1817
01:21:21,880 --> 01:21:23,760
Speaker 1: And I'm not talking much better for it, right and

1818
01:21:23,800 --> 01:21:26,720
Speaker 1: I'm not rooting for it. But like, you gotta go

1819
01:21:26,880 --> 01:21:29,439
Speaker 1: back to the moment the pick was made. You can't

1820
01:21:29,479 --> 01:21:31,320
Speaker 1: just throw away I get it. We see what these

1821
01:21:31,360 --> 01:21:33,800
Speaker 1: players do and ultimately you're gonna look at that retroactively.

1822
01:21:34,040 --> 01:21:36,679
Speaker 1: You can't throw away all the contact, all the contacts

1823
01:21:36,680 --> 01:21:40,160
Speaker 1: that existed when the pick was made. Either. That's not fair.

1824
01:21:40,439 --> 01:21:42,800
Speaker 2: Okay, So some more bones to pick with me. Today.

1825
01:21:42,840 --> 01:21:45,400
Speaker 2: It was a big day for dogs, big day for dogs.

1826
01:21:46,000 --> 01:21:49,479
Speaker 2: I think like twenty dogs got really good. I think

1827
01:21:49,520 --> 01:21:51,400
Speaker 2: something like that. Twenty dogs got adopted.

1828
01:21:52,040 --> 01:21:55,400
Speaker 1: So when I Vrabel took that was it uh neat.

1829
01:21:55,479 --> 01:21:57,960
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, I looked like anything like that. Stefan Diggs

1830
01:21:57,960 --> 01:22:02,000
Speaker 2: certainly liked the dog he was dogged in, Like, so, uh,

1831
01:22:03,240 --> 01:22:05,800
Speaker 2: Paul is not a dog guy, okay, and I'm a

1832
01:22:05,800 --> 01:22:08,360
Speaker 2: big dog guy. As you know, Fred is a dog guy.

1833
01:22:08,360 --> 01:22:10,639
Speaker 2: He has a dog, and Duce just adopted a dog

1834
01:22:10,640 --> 01:22:13,280
Speaker 2: a couple of months ago, so he's adopting a dog

1835
01:22:13,400 --> 01:22:16,360
Speaker 2: lifestyle as well. So Paul is the only curmudgeon that

1836
01:22:16,400 --> 01:22:19,160
Speaker 2: doesn't like dogs. So today we were talking about what

1837
01:22:19,240 --> 01:22:21,640
Speaker 2: would be the best breed of dog to give to

1838
01:22:21,720 --> 01:22:26,559
Speaker 2: Paul because Paul was a very much you know, he's lukewarm.

1839
01:22:26,840 --> 01:22:29,720
Speaker 2: He's not gonna get a dog, but hypothetically he would

1840
01:22:29,720 --> 01:22:31,880
Speaker 2: be lukewarm on the idea at best if he did

1841
01:22:31,880 --> 01:22:35,160
Speaker 2: get a dog. And plus, like I think for Paul,

1842
01:22:35,600 --> 01:22:38,200
Speaker 2: the key dog for him would be like a low

1843
01:22:38,280 --> 01:22:40,800
Speaker 2: maintenance dog because he's a first time dog owner, so

1844
01:22:40,840 --> 01:22:43,040
Speaker 2: you can't give him And not trying to brag, but

1845
01:22:43,120 --> 01:22:45,800
Speaker 2: like if you get an Atlas, like you get a

1846
01:22:45,840 --> 01:22:49,320
Speaker 2: ridge Back like that's not a beginner dog like they do.

1847
01:22:49,360 --> 01:22:52,920
Speaker 2: You have to really love dogs to have dogs like that, right,

1848
01:22:53,400 --> 01:22:55,680
Speaker 2: So I said that he should get a lab or

1849
01:22:55,720 --> 01:23:00,240
Speaker 2: a retriever because labs and retrievers to me are low

1850
01:23:00,320 --> 01:23:03,599
Speaker 2: maintenance type of dogs. Now, the emailer here says Evan's

1851
01:23:03,680 --> 01:23:06,720
Speaker 2: dog advice is disastrous. Yeah, and he said labs and

1852
01:23:06,760 --> 01:23:09,920
Speaker 2: retrievers are high energy dogs, not the highest but definitely

1853
01:23:09,920 --> 01:23:11,040
Speaker 2: on the high end of the spectrum.

1854
01:23:11,160 --> 01:23:13,240
Speaker 1: Golden retrievers are higher energy dogs. That is true.

1855
01:23:13,560 --> 01:23:16,759
Speaker 2: Great Danes are loafers. Yes, Great Danes are loafers. Giving

1856
01:23:16,760 --> 01:23:19,559
Speaker 2: a first time dog owner one hundred and thirty pound

1857
01:23:19,680 --> 01:23:22,160
Speaker 2: dog is not the right There's a difference between high

1858
01:23:22,240 --> 01:23:25,479
Speaker 2: energy and high maintenance, yes, so right, So high energy

1859
01:23:25,479 --> 01:23:27,479
Speaker 2: to me is also like there's different and I know

1860
01:23:27,520 --> 01:23:30,000
Speaker 2: it's not dog show, but high energy to me is

1861
01:23:30,040 --> 01:23:34,880
Speaker 2: also different. Like there's different definitions because maybe like on

1862
01:23:34,920 --> 01:23:38,400
Speaker 2: the spectrum of energy here for dogs, labs and retrievers

1863
01:23:38,479 --> 01:23:40,880
Speaker 2: might might be awake for longer than other dogs, right,

1864
01:23:40,920 --> 01:23:43,559
Speaker 2: which would maybe consider them to be higher energy. But

1865
01:23:44,080 --> 01:23:46,400
Speaker 2: like Atlas needs to be exercised, like you need to

1866
01:23:46,400 --> 01:23:48,880
Speaker 2: take that dog on walks or to play out in

1867
01:23:48,960 --> 01:23:52,000
Speaker 2: fields and parks and things like that. Like retrievers and

1868
01:23:52,120 --> 01:23:54,760
Speaker 2: labs like they're just kind of they're kind of just

1869
01:23:54,880 --> 01:23:56,880
Speaker 2: chilling around, right, Like they might be up.

1870
01:23:56,920 --> 01:23:59,200
Speaker 1: Now, I like to jump right. Golden Retrievers. They over

1871
01:23:59,280 --> 01:24:02,599
Speaker 1: run around and it's high maintenance.

1872
01:24:03,479 --> 01:24:05,400
Speaker 2: How is it high maintenance for the.

1873
01:24:05,360 --> 01:24:07,120
Speaker 4: Exact same reason that you got to take care of

1874
01:24:07,120 --> 01:24:09,639
Speaker 4: at list. It's gotta be the energy has to be spent.

1875
01:24:09,680 --> 01:24:12,200
Speaker 4: We gotta take My girlfriend takes her to the gym

1876
01:24:12,280 --> 01:24:15,400
Speaker 4: every day, so that's the only thing that calms her down.

1877
01:24:16,200 --> 01:24:16,960
Speaker 3: She's a nightmare.

1878
01:24:17,600 --> 01:24:20,639
Speaker 2: That that that I mean, Alice gets along really well

1879
01:24:20,760 --> 01:24:24,759
Speaker 2: with with Labs, maybe because they can match the energy

1880
01:24:24,840 --> 01:24:27,559
Speaker 2: of each other. But like to me, like you know

1881
01:24:27,600 --> 01:24:29,640
Speaker 2: that that that was what I more meant was like,

1882
01:24:29,840 --> 01:24:32,599
Speaker 2: Paul needs a beginner dog, like the energy thing. People

1883
01:24:32,600 --> 01:24:35,400
Speaker 2: are getting caught up in that. Maybe I misspoke on that, but.

1884
01:24:37,240 --> 01:24:37,519
Speaker 3: Tricks.

1885
01:24:37,800 --> 01:24:39,800
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, now Paul's not getting a dog, Like there's

1886
01:24:39,800 --> 01:24:43,360
Speaker 2: no way. But I'm just saying, you know, if I

1887
01:24:43,400 --> 01:24:45,000
Speaker 2: had to give Paul a dog, it would be one

1888
01:24:45,040 --> 01:24:48,120
Speaker 2: of those types of dogs. Anyways, there's your dog minute,

1889
01:24:48,160 --> 01:24:51,720
Speaker 2: because we had to because you know, dog day. Here, okay,

1890
01:24:52,960 --> 01:24:56,040
Speaker 2: here's an email from Stevie. Stevie Steve. He said, how

1891
01:24:56,080 --> 01:24:58,920
Speaker 2: would you compare Mac Jones to Drake Man the offensive line?

1892
01:24:58,960 --> 01:25:01,920
Speaker 2: Mac had his rookie year and the offensive line Drake

1893
01:25:02,000 --> 01:25:04,280
Speaker 2: may is projected to have this year. This is an

1894
01:25:04,280 --> 01:25:06,960
Speaker 2: interesting question, so we've talked about this a little bit

1895
01:25:07,000 --> 01:25:11,800
Speaker 2: in the past, but Mac Jones's rookie season, correct me

1896
01:25:11,800 --> 01:25:18,879
Speaker 2: if I'm wrong, but that was Win, Carris, Andrews, Mason,

1897
01:25:19,520 --> 01:25:21,439
Speaker 2: Trent Brown. Well, I want to say that was.

1898
01:25:21,439 --> 01:25:24,120
Speaker 1: The year that they switched it part way through with

1899
01:25:24,320 --> 01:25:25,920
Speaker 1: Carris and benched on when who remember they.

1900
01:25:25,880 --> 01:25:27,559
Speaker 2: Game get it right when it was supposed to be

1901
01:25:27,600 --> 01:25:30,080
Speaker 2: the projected left guard was supposed to be the starting

1902
01:25:30,160 --> 01:25:31,880
Speaker 2: left guard and he did not have a great season

1903
01:25:32,360 --> 01:25:33,400
Speaker 2: at left guard.

1904
01:25:33,439 --> 01:25:35,599
Speaker 1: Right and so they moved it a runt hang on.

1905
01:25:35,520 --> 01:25:37,559
Speaker 2: Home Teddy Carris went to left guard. I know that

1906
01:25:37,680 --> 01:25:40,639
Speaker 2: David Andrews was obviously the center. I want to say

1907
01:25:40,920 --> 01:25:43,040
Speaker 2: that was the year Trent Brown played right tackle and

1908
01:25:43,120 --> 01:25:45,479
Speaker 2: not left and Isaiah Win was at left tackle because

1909
01:25:45,479 --> 01:25:47,840
Speaker 2: they were still trying to make Isaiah Win a thing

1910
01:25:48,280 --> 01:25:50,639
Speaker 2: and trying to get that to work. So I think

1911
01:25:50,680 --> 01:25:51,400
Speaker 2: that was the group.

1912
01:25:51,520 --> 01:25:56,360
Speaker 1: So their most use offensive linemen that year were Isaiah Win,

1913
01:25:57,200 --> 01:25:59,720
Speaker 1: Trent Brown, and Justin Haran kind of split as the

1914
01:25:59,760 --> 01:26:04,439
Speaker 1: second can tackle that was close on whenu Shaq Mason,

1915
01:26:04,600 --> 01:26:06,599
Speaker 1: David Andrews and Ted Carris, like, those are the guys

1916
01:26:06,600 --> 01:26:09,479
Speaker 1: that played the most some combination of that. So I

1917
01:26:09,520 --> 01:26:11,360
Speaker 1: want to say it was remember William Sherman.

1918
01:26:11,600 --> 01:26:13,839
Speaker 2: Yes, I want to say it was like six snaps

1919
01:26:13,840 --> 01:26:19,839
Speaker 2: that year from left to right, Win Carris, Andrews, Mason,

1920
01:26:20,280 --> 01:26:22,360
Speaker 2: Trent Brown, slash Uh.

1921
01:26:23,400 --> 01:26:25,559
Speaker 1: Just Justin Haran played almost as much as Trent Brown,

1922
01:26:25,560 --> 01:26:28,080
Speaker 1: did they jeez? Okay, which I think was on the

1923
01:26:28,120 --> 01:26:29,800
Speaker 1: right or no? Did he step in for Win when

1924
01:26:29,800 --> 01:26:32,720
Speaker 1: he was hurt? I don't know this year, so Justin

1925
01:26:32,760 --> 01:26:33,839
Speaker 1: Haran played good amountain.

1926
01:26:33,880 --> 01:26:35,880
Speaker 2: I know that that group was like the group when

1927
01:26:35,920 --> 01:26:39,519
Speaker 2: everybody was healthy though, Okay, so that was that group.

1928
01:26:40,040 --> 01:26:46,639
Speaker 2: This group is projected will Campbell, Cole Strange, probably Garrett

1929
01:26:46,640 --> 01:26:49,640
Speaker 2: Bradbury to start, maybe Jared Wilson at center on w

1930
01:26:50,000 --> 01:26:55,320
Speaker 2: Morgan moses that that's just year's group. I'm gonna say

1931
01:26:55,479 --> 01:26:57,280
Speaker 2: this year's group has the potential to be better.

1932
01:26:57,160 --> 01:26:58,960
Speaker 1: Has the potential. There's more variance because you have won

1933
01:26:59,000 --> 01:27:02,120
Speaker 1: maybe two rookies. Because I look at and kind of

1934
01:27:02,160 --> 01:27:05,600
Speaker 1: think that's a wash. Yeah, I look at it. Trump

1935
01:27:05,600 --> 01:27:06,160
Speaker 1: Brown's better.

1936
01:27:07,080 --> 01:27:08,880
Speaker 2: I don't know. Trump Brown is so inconsistent.

1937
01:27:09,080 --> 01:27:12,520
Speaker 1: Yeah, than a thirty five year old Morgan Moses.

1938
01:27:13,439 --> 01:27:15,920
Speaker 2: On when you and Mason. I'd probably give it to Mason.

1939
01:27:15,960 --> 01:27:17,760
Speaker 2: I think Mason was a better player, but I don't

1940
01:27:17,800 --> 01:27:19,000
Speaker 2: think it was like world's better.

1941
01:27:19,120 --> 01:27:20,120
Speaker 1: That's not a massive gap.

1942
01:27:20,160 --> 01:27:23,280
Speaker 2: We're not talking about like you know, Zach Martin here

1943
01:27:23,439 --> 01:27:27,200
Speaker 2: like a good player. Shaq Mason center, definitely David Andrews

1944
01:27:27,240 --> 01:27:32,120
Speaker 2: obviously left guard, Carris versus Strange. I probably give that

1945
01:27:32,160 --> 01:27:32,880
Speaker 2: one to Carris.

1946
01:27:32,960 --> 01:27:35,320
Speaker 1: Maybe that Max Shownes's line is better, and then I

1947
01:27:35,400 --> 01:27:37,800
Speaker 1: give I say Will Campbell, I say, well, Campbell too,

1948
01:27:38,320 --> 01:27:40,400
Speaker 1: but like that's so the one guy we're giving it

1949
01:27:40,479 --> 01:27:42,479
Speaker 1: this year. But also so the weird thing with that

1950
01:27:42,560 --> 01:27:45,960
Speaker 1: line was it took forever because that wasn't the line

1951
01:27:45,960 --> 01:27:48,799
Speaker 1: from the start of the season. They kept moving players,

1952
01:27:48,880 --> 01:27:51,160
Speaker 1: they kept moving pieces, and they didn't have the continuity.

1953
01:27:51,360 --> 01:27:55,400
Speaker 1: So this year's group should have continuity. On paper, that

1954
01:27:55,439 --> 01:27:57,040
Speaker 1: line may be better because the next year is when

1955
01:27:57,040 --> 01:27:59,960
Speaker 1: it really fell apart, but this team has a bet

1956
01:28:00,120 --> 01:28:00,879
Speaker 1: or left tackle.

1957
01:28:00,720 --> 01:28:02,439
Speaker 2: And they had better coaching that year, Like that's the

1958
01:28:02,479 --> 01:28:04,920
Speaker 2: your Carmen Brisilla was the offensive line coach. Well, I

1959
01:28:04,960 --> 01:28:08,200
Speaker 2: think is a really good coach. Josh McDaniels was obviously

1960
01:28:08,240 --> 01:28:11,479
Speaker 2: the offensive coordinator. So you would like to think that

1961
01:28:11,560 --> 01:28:14,080
Speaker 2: they have a similar setup this year with Moron and

1962
01:28:14,439 --> 01:28:17,120
Speaker 2: McDaniels that you feel good about the coaching side of it,

1963
01:28:17,160 --> 01:28:19,160
Speaker 2: And that's a big part of it with the offensive line.

1964
01:28:19,200 --> 01:28:21,240
Speaker 2: You know, how do you game plan, how do you scheme?

1965
01:28:21,320 --> 01:28:25,000
Speaker 2: How do you solve problems? Like is everybody on the

1966
01:28:25,000 --> 01:28:26,960
Speaker 2: same page? Are you seeing it through the same set

1967
01:28:26,960 --> 01:28:29,000
Speaker 2: of eyes? If you can do those things and eliminate

1968
01:28:29,040 --> 01:28:33,240
Speaker 2: all the unforced errors as an offensive line, you can

1969
01:28:33,280 --> 01:28:36,040
Speaker 2: be a league average just by being getting out of

1970
01:28:36,080 --> 01:28:38,439
Speaker 2: your own way as an offensive line. I think that's

1971
01:28:38,479 --> 01:28:41,280
Speaker 2: what we all hope for this year's offensive line. And

1972
01:28:41,360 --> 01:28:45,479
Speaker 2: I was watching Fortune Foxborough the other day, episode two,

1973
01:28:45,520 --> 01:28:48,240
Speaker 2: which is now out on Patriots dot Com and YouTube.

1974
01:28:49,240 --> 01:28:51,400
Speaker 2: They spend a lot of time with the offensive line,

1975
01:28:51,800 --> 01:28:53,639
Speaker 2: and I know for some people that puts you to sleep,

1976
01:28:53,680 --> 01:28:56,439
Speaker 2: and you're not offensive line people. But the Morgan Moses

1977
01:28:56,960 --> 01:28:59,160
Speaker 2: post practice sessions and it was a great part of

1978
01:28:59,160 --> 01:29:01,240
Speaker 2: this great stuff, and it's good to see all these

1979
01:29:01,280 --> 01:29:03,439
Speaker 2: line coaches. And I think the thing that stood out

1980
01:29:03,439 --> 01:29:06,280
Speaker 2: to me, you Morone is obviously a season coach. He's

1981
01:29:06,320 --> 01:29:08,240
Speaker 2: been a head coach in the league he's been a

1982
01:29:08,280 --> 01:29:11,360
Speaker 2: line coach in the league multiple times. Jason Howdling, who

1983
01:29:11,400 --> 01:29:14,479
Speaker 2: got a lot of FaceTime on Fortune Foxborough as well,

1984
01:29:14,760 --> 01:29:18,439
Speaker 2: he's been a chief offensive line coach as well, Like

1985
01:29:18,520 --> 01:29:21,840
Speaker 2: he's run the room himself too. So you basically have

1986
01:29:22,720 --> 01:29:27,080
Speaker 2: three guys if you want to count Kugler, who are

1987
01:29:27,080 --> 01:29:29,920
Speaker 2: probably qualified to be offensive line coaches. And they're all

1988
01:29:29,960 --> 01:29:33,479
Speaker 2: on the same staff. So that's a big change from

1989
01:29:33,520 --> 01:29:35,759
Speaker 2: the line coaches they've had the last couple of years,

1990
01:29:35,760 --> 01:29:40,519
Speaker 2: no disrespect. So I think that that's a really positive thing.

1991
01:29:40,600 --> 01:29:43,479
Speaker 2: And when I look at the way that I envisioned

1992
01:29:43,600 --> 01:29:47,639
Speaker 2: this being broken out, Doug Morone, I think is going

1993
01:29:47,680 --> 01:29:51,600
Speaker 2: to be handling a lot of scheming type stuff like

1994
01:29:51,720 --> 01:29:56,280
Speaker 2: high level you know, game planning, install weekly installed with

1995
01:29:56,360 --> 01:29:59,839
Speaker 2: Josh McDaniels, and we want to we watched this defense

1996
01:30:00,000 --> 01:30:03,200
Speaker 2: we're gonna face on Sunday hypothetically, and we want to

1997
01:30:03,479 --> 01:30:05,559
Speaker 2: have these runs in you know, these are the runs

1998
01:30:05,560 --> 01:30:07,439
Speaker 2: that we want to have in the installo. How are

1999
01:30:07,479 --> 01:30:09,439
Speaker 2: we going to block them? You know? What are our rules?

2000
01:30:09,600 --> 01:30:11,760
Speaker 2: That's where Doug Moron comes in. I think when it

2001
01:30:11,760 --> 01:30:15,320
Speaker 2: comes to teaching technique and like really getting in there

2002
01:30:15,400 --> 01:30:17,840
Speaker 2: and hands On, I think it's gonna be a lot

2003
01:30:17,880 --> 01:30:20,639
Speaker 2: of Jason Haddling and Robert Coogler. I think those guys

2004
01:30:20,640 --> 01:30:23,519
Speaker 2: are the guys that are gonna be really teaching, like

2005
01:30:24,040 --> 01:30:26,759
Speaker 2: the minutia, you know, and taking guys to the side,

2006
01:30:26,840 --> 01:30:29,640
Speaker 2: and like working on rookies and back end of the

2007
01:30:29,720 --> 01:30:32,639
Speaker 2: roster development and things like that, whereas Moron, I think,

2008
01:30:32,760 --> 01:30:34,800
Speaker 2: is gonna be more of like an overseer, almost like

2009
01:30:34,800 --> 01:30:38,720
Speaker 2: a court offensive line coordinator. So I'm looking forward to

2010
01:30:38,760 --> 01:30:42,439
Speaker 2: seeing how that comes together, because on paper, it's so

2011
01:30:42,560 --> 01:30:45,880
Speaker 2: much more seasoned and so much more just just better

2012
01:30:46,040 --> 01:30:47,960
Speaker 2: than what they've had over the last couple of years.

2013
01:30:47,960 --> 01:30:50,960
Speaker 2: So hopefully that elevates that room as well. A couple

2014
01:30:50,960 --> 01:30:54,679
Speaker 2: more emails here before we will take some phone calls,

2015
01:30:54,720 --> 01:30:56,840
Speaker 2: and then we'll wrap it up here. I am a

2016
01:30:56,840 --> 01:31:00,519
Speaker 2: long time listener from Mexico, says Alonzo when he says,

2017
01:31:00,760 --> 01:31:03,040
Speaker 2: my question for you guys is based on the comments

2018
01:31:03,080 --> 01:31:06,160
Speaker 2: I've seen on X, it seems that Kaishan Boody was

2019
01:31:06,240 --> 01:31:09,400
Speaker 2: running as the top X receiver with the first team.

2020
01:31:09,439 --> 01:31:12,040
Speaker 2: Why do you think the entire media landscape is so

2021
01:31:12,200 --> 01:31:15,840
Speaker 2: low on Booty while the team seems to view him

2022
01:31:15,920 --> 01:31:18,640
Speaker 2: hot quite differently. I don't know if the media is

2023
01:31:18,680 --> 01:31:19,200
Speaker 2: super low.

2024
01:31:19,280 --> 01:31:21,000
Speaker 1: I don't think we're low. We're just not as high

2025
01:31:21,040 --> 01:31:22,280
Speaker 1: as people want us to be.

2026
01:31:23,120 --> 01:31:27,360
Speaker 2: Yeah, I think that I'm not saying necessarily that he

2027
01:31:27,479 --> 01:31:32,200
Speaker 2: can't get even better. Yeah, but I think a lot

2028
01:31:32,200 --> 01:31:35,120
Speaker 2: of us feel that last year was Kasehan Boody's peak,

2029
01:31:35,240 --> 01:31:37,200
Speaker 2: and that's not a bad peak. If he can maintain it,

2030
01:31:37,240 --> 01:31:40,479
Speaker 2: that's an NFL player. Yeah, But I don't know if

2031
01:31:40,520 --> 01:31:44,080
Speaker 2: there's another level for Kashan Boody necessarily than what we

2032
01:31:44,120 --> 01:31:47,960
Speaker 2: saw last season. So in that respect, could they do

2033
01:31:48,040 --> 01:31:52,599
Speaker 2: better at that spot? I think is really just the question.

2034
01:31:52,680 --> 01:31:54,720
Speaker 1: I think it's also I mean, he was brought up

2035
01:31:54,760 --> 01:31:59,360
Speaker 1: in trade rumors before the start of the season, so

2036
01:31:59,439 --> 01:32:01,639
Speaker 1: that tells you that maybe as high as the team

2037
01:32:01,800 --> 01:32:03,360
Speaker 1: is on him, they could see him as the odd

2038
01:32:03,400 --> 01:32:07,160
Speaker 1: man out. Also, his consistency with him, right, he has

2039
01:32:07,280 --> 01:32:10,080
Speaker 1: really good individual days, but he's got a stack days.

2040
01:32:10,400 --> 01:32:11,840
Speaker 1: That's what it's gonna come down to. So when he

2041
01:32:11,840 --> 01:32:13,519
Speaker 1: has a great day, yeah, we talk about it, but

2042
01:32:13,560 --> 01:32:16,680
Speaker 1: it also comes with, you know, to contrast him to

2043
01:32:16,720 --> 01:32:18,960
Speaker 1: Pop Douglas, who was that same draft class. Pop Douglas

2044
01:32:19,040 --> 01:32:20,960
Speaker 1: is coming out every single day and we were you know,

2045
01:32:21,000 --> 01:32:22,880
Speaker 1: there were moments every single day that you were like, Wow,

2046
01:32:22,920 --> 01:32:25,280
Speaker 1: this kid has it in Keisehan Boudia some of those,

2047
01:32:25,280 --> 01:32:26,920
Speaker 1: but then he has some days where he kind of disappears,

2048
01:32:27,320 --> 01:32:28,720
Speaker 1: and so that's what it comes down to for him.

2049
01:32:28,760 --> 01:32:31,400
Speaker 1: He just has to be more consistent. I think fancy

2050
01:32:31,520 --> 01:32:33,680
Speaker 1: the flashes and get very excited. And maybe this is

2051
01:32:33,680 --> 01:32:36,439
Speaker 1: where the disconnect is with the media, But you know,

2052
01:32:36,520 --> 01:32:39,080
Speaker 1: we're kind of watching more on a down to down basis,

2053
01:32:39,120 --> 01:32:41,760
Speaker 1: and there's times where he disappears. So look for a

2054
01:32:41,800 --> 01:32:45,559
Speaker 1: third receiver. Sometimes you're going off flashes and there's nothing

2055
01:32:45,600 --> 01:32:48,120
Speaker 1: wrong with that. And I do think, like, I don't

2056
01:32:48,120 --> 01:32:50,240
Speaker 1: think he's gonna get cut. I don't think the team

2057
01:32:50,280 --> 01:32:52,000
Speaker 1: would cut him. I think they do like him. I

2058
01:32:52,000 --> 01:32:53,519
Speaker 1: also think if there's a large jam and they can

2059
01:32:53,520 --> 01:32:55,160
Speaker 1: get something for him, the wouldn't turn their nose up

2060
01:32:55,200 --> 01:32:58,200
Speaker 1: at it. So that's kind of where I'm at on him.

2061
01:32:58,479 --> 01:33:02,200
Speaker 1: I don't that we're that low. I think the expectations

2062
01:33:02,200 --> 01:33:05,320
Speaker 1: for him because and look, maybe I'm partially at fault

2063
01:33:05,320 --> 01:33:06,960
Speaker 1: for this because I really liked him in the draft

2064
01:33:07,000 --> 01:33:10,880
Speaker 1: that year, like he he was such a good player

2065
01:33:10,880 --> 01:33:14,840
Speaker 1: at LSU. The expectations room were so high coming from LSU.

2066
01:33:14,880 --> 01:33:17,360
Speaker 1: You talk about that ceiling. I think some people, look,

2067
01:33:17,360 --> 01:33:23,040
Speaker 1: I've kind of wondered, this is that breakout star freshman player.

2068
01:33:23,160 --> 01:33:25,280
Speaker 1: And I mean, that's what five six years ago. Now,

2069
01:33:25,439 --> 01:33:28,320
Speaker 1: it's been a long time, but is there still an

2070
01:33:28,360 --> 01:33:30,759
Speaker 1: ability to tap into that? And I think some people

2071
01:33:30,880 --> 01:33:32,960
Speaker 1: just see that And I'm not saying you're wrong to

2072
01:33:33,000 --> 01:33:35,679
Speaker 1: do it, like we all do this with certain players. Again,

2073
01:33:35,720 --> 01:33:38,799
Speaker 1: as a true freshman LCU ten games, forty five catches,

2074
01:33:38,800 --> 01:33:41,080
Speaker 1: seven hundred and thirty five yards, five touchdowns, caught nine

2075
01:33:41,120 --> 01:33:43,080
Speaker 1: touchdowns the next year in just six games.

2076
01:33:43,240 --> 01:33:45,960
Speaker 2: I mean he was his freshman year of LSU. He

2077
01:33:46,040 --> 01:33:48,320
Speaker 2: was on track to be the next LSU receiver, right.

2078
01:33:48,200 --> 01:33:50,479
Speaker 1: He was supposed to be that guy. So I think

2079
01:33:50,520 --> 01:33:53,240
Speaker 1: there's some people that look at that and just still

2080
01:33:53,280 --> 01:33:55,000
Speaker 1: wonder if that's in there and if they can tap

2081
01:33:55,040 --> 01:33:56,599
Speaker 1: into that. And I've wondered it too, and it would

2082
01:33:56,640 --> 01:34:01,120
Speaker 1: be great. I just don't think you build the offense

2083
01:34:01,160 --> 01:34:04,160
Speaker 1: around maybe we tap into this guy he was that

2084
01:34:04,240 --> 01:34:07,360
Speaker 1: was twenty twenty, yeah, right, so you don't build the

2085
01:34:07,360 --> 01:34:09,680
Speaker 1: offense around can we tap into this guy that he

2086
01:34:09,840 --> 01:34:10,639
Speaker 1: was five years ago?

2087
01:34:10,840 --> 01:34:14,000
Speaker 2: Yeah? And I you know, he had forty three catches

2088
01:34:14,040 --> 01:34:17,000
Speaker 2: for a little under six hundred yards last year. Again,

2089
01:34:17,040 --> 01:34:22,400
Speaker 2: that's not terrible production, that's NFL production. But that to

2090
01:34:22,439 --> 01:34:25,720
Speaker 2: me feels like where he would about fill in right

2091
01:34:25,800 --> 01:34:28,400
Speaker 2: like that in terms of a peak. Now, he might

2092
01:34:28,479 --> 01:34:30,559
Speaker 2: maintain it for a couple more years, and that's great,

2093
01:34:30,600 --> 01:34:33,000
Speaker 2: that's a good career. But I don't know if he

2094
01:34:33,160 --> 01:34:35,479
Speaker 2: has another level there. So I think that's maybe where

2095
01:34:35,479 --> 01:34:37,680
Speaker 2: the disconnect is there with the emailer.

2096
01:34:37,479 --> 01:34:39,120
Speaker 1: Right, it's does he have another level or not?

2097
01:34:39,280 --> 01:34:42,040
Speaker 2: Yeah, seanav Vancouver writes, and I'm glad he wrote in

2098
01:34:42,080 --> 01:34:45,439
Speaker 2: this email because we should say rip to the legend.

2099
01:34:45,560 --> 01:34:48,479
Speaker 2: I'm happy to hear that crazy Train remains as the

2100
01:34:48,520 --> 01:34:52,800
Speaker 2: intro song. Sean said, Rip Ozzy go Pats, Yes, rip

2101
01:34:53,640 --> 01:34:55,280
Speaker 2: to the legend Ozzy Osbourne.

2102
01:34:55,600 --> 01:34:55,960
Speaker 5: That was.

2103
01:34:57,800 --> 01:35:00,680
Speaker 2: Bad news yesterday. That was tough, all right, this is

2104
01:35:00,800 --> 01:35:00,960
Speaker 2: Do you.

2105
01:35:00,960 --> 01:35:03,320
Speaker 1: See any of his favoritwell constantly? He still sounded good

2106
01:35:03,400 --> 01:35:04,240
Speaker 1: right up until the end.

2107
01:35:04,920 --> 01:35:06,280
Speaker 2: Really yeah.

2108
01:35:06,840 --> 01:35:09,240
Speaker 1: I was never like a huge Ozzy Osbourne guy, but

2109
01:35:09,360 --> 01:35:11,040
Speaker 1: I mean that that's history, right. I checked out that

2110
01:35:11,080 --> 01:35:14,800
Speaker 1: farewell concert. He did that impressive for a guy that's

2111
01:35:14,840 --> 01:35:16,240
Speaker 1: up there and has had some health issues. I think

2112
01:35:16,240 --> 01:35:23,280
Speaker 1: he's dealing with Parkinson's right. Impressive, I gotta say, uh not.

2113
01:35:24,280 --> 01:35:27,040
Speaker 2: I was kind of surprised he lasted twenty more years,

2114
01:35:27,120 --> 01:35:29,719
Speaker 2: Like there was some rough moments there for Ozzy Osbourne

2115
01:35:29,760 --> 01:35:33,160
Speaker 2: in like the five six range, you know, health wise,

2116
01:35:33,320 --> 01:35:35,200
Speaker 2: and he held on for a long time.

2117
01:35:35,160 --> 01:35:36,519
Speaker 1: Just to go back to Keishan Boutiga. And this is

2118
01:35:36,560 --> 01:35:41,920
Speaker 1: kind of my point, like last year being his ceiling,

2119
01:35:41,920 --> 01:35:44,280
Speaker 1: how does he get better again? It comes down to consistency.

2120
01:35:45,240 --> 01:35:49,799
Speaker 1: So last year, forty six percent of his offensive production

2121
01:35:49,880 --> 01:35:53,559
Speaker 1: in terms of yards came in just three games. In

2122
01:35:53,600 --> 01:35:55,200
Speaker 1: one of those games when he had one hundred and

2123
01:35:55,200 --> 01:35:59,080
Speaker 1: seventeen was the week eighteen game against Buffalo. He had

2124
01:35:59,160 --> 01:36:01,960
Speaker 1: ninety five. In the other game against Buffalo fifty nine

2125
01:36:01,960 --> 01:36:04,280
Speaker 1: against Houston. He never had more than forty seven outside

2126
01:36:04,320 --> 01:36:08,200
Speaker 1: of that in one, two, three, four, five, six, seven eight.

2127
01:36:08,280 --> 01:36:10,360
Speaker 1: In nine games he had less than forty yards.

2128
01:36:10,560 --> 01:36:12,559
Speaker 2: So I'm not saying he has to go going back

2129
01:36:12,560 --> 01:36:14,479
Speaker 2: to that twenty twenty season at LS. You didn't he

2130
01:36:14,520 --> 01:36:16,639
Speaker 2: have that one game was against like I want to say,

2131
01:36:16,720 --> 01:36:17,439
Speaker 2: South Caros.

2132
01:36:17,200 --> 01:36:20,640
Speaker 1: Well, the team started just like throwing the library.

2133
01:36:20,280 --> 01:36:21,920
Speaker 2: I know, but wasn't there that one game where he

2134
01:36:21,960 --> 01:36:24,760
Speaker 2: had like three hundred for three touchdowns, like he had

2135
01:36:24,800 --> 01:36:25,640
Speaker 2: like one of those types of thing.

2136
01:36:25,800 --> 01:36:28,040
Speaker 1: Yeah, but I don't think teams are shading Kaishawn Booty

2137
01:36:28,080 --> 01:36:30,800
Speaker 1: in the NFL the way they were shading him at LSU. Like, yeah,

2138
01:36:30,840 --> 01:36:32,920
Speaker 1: there were some games like he was the next guy.

2139
01:36:33,000 --> 01:36:34,920
Speaker 1: There were some games you watch that was being covered

2140
01:36:34,920 --> 01:36:37,000
Speaker 1: in the fact that he did anything. He had well

2141
01:36:37,040 --> 01:36:38,920
Speaker 1: that had the Old Miss game at the end of

2142
01:36:38,920 --> 01:36:40,640
Speaker 1: the year, he had fourteen catches for three hundred eight

2143
01:36:40,720 --> 01:36:42,840
Speaker 1: yards and three touchdowns. But the games before that, he

2144
01:36:42,880 --> 01:36:44,800
Speaker 1: had one hundred eight against Florida and he had one

2145
01:36:44,880 --> 01:36:47,640
Speaker 1: hundred eleven against Alabama the game before that. Yeah, So

2146
01:36:48,040 --> 01:36:50,320
Speaker 1: I mean that's pretty good. It's just gonna come down

2147
01:36:50,400 --> 01:36:51,559
Speaker 1: and I'm not saying he has to have one hundred

2148
01:36:51,560 --> 01:36:53,760
Speaker 1: and ten yards every game, but it is kind of

2149
01:36:53,800 --> 01:36:57,000
Speaker 1: George Pickens ish, where George Pickens will put up a

2150
01:36:57,080 --> 01:37:00,120
Speaker 1: thousand yards in a season, six hundred of those yard

2151
01:37:00,160 --> 01:37:02,200
Speaker 1: will be in like four games, and then he'll have

2152
01:37:02,240 --> 01:37:05,559
Speaker 1: games where he's entirely blanked. So you know, Kaishawn Booty

2153
01:37:05,640 --> 01:37:07,640
Speaker 1: had more games this year where he had less than

2154
01:37:07,640 --> 01:37:10,240
Speaker 1: twenty receiving yards that he had more than fifty. And

2155
01:37:10,360 --> 01:37:12,400
Speaker 1: I get not every game has to be one hundred yards,

2156
01:37:12,640 --> 01:37:14,439
Speaker 1: but you gotta be a little more steady than that

2157
01:37:14,920 --> 01:37:17,599
Speaker 1: to play a you know, consistent role in the offense,

2158
01:37:17,640 --> 01:37:19,559
Speaker 1: to be a top three receiver guy that's out there

2159
01:37:20,040 --> 01:37:23,639
Speaker 1: sixty plus percent of the time. The way he's kind

2160
01:37:23,640 --> 01:37:26,120
Speaker 1: of performed is he's the fourth guy you throw him

2161
01:37:26,120 --> 01:37:27,920
Speaker 1: in and kind of try to hit shot plays. And

2162
01:37:27,960 --> 01:37:29,439
Speaker 1: he's good at that, and there's a role for that,

2163
01:37:29,520 --> 01:37:32,479
Speaker 1: and there's nothing wrong with that. I just he has

2164
01:37:32,600 --> 01:37:34,800
Speaker 1: yet to prove he's more than that, and right now

2165
01:37:34,800 --> 01:37:37,240
Speaker 1: the team has. I mean, that's what Kendrick Bourne is,

2166
01:37:37,320 --> 01:37:40,240
Speaker 1: That's what MATC Collins is. The team has a lot

2167
01:37:40,240 --> 01:37:42,880
Speaker 1: of guys like that. They don't necessarily have the guy

2168
01:37:42,920 --> 01:37:45,439
Speaker 1: that's gonna go out. You can set your watch to Okay,

2169
01:37:45,439 --> 01:37:47,040
Speaker 1: he's gonna have at least five catches, gonna have at

2170
01:37:47,080 --> 01:37:48,639
Speaker 1: least eighty yards, he got a good shot, he's gonna

2171
01:37:48,640 --> 01:37:50,760
Speaker 1: get in the end zone. They you know, you hope

2172
01:37:50,800 --> 01:37:56,120
Speaker 1: that's Pop Douglas or Stefon Diggs maybe right, So that

2173
01:37:56,120 --> 01:37:58,960
Speaker 1: that's if Diggs is gonna If not Diggs, if Booty's

2174
01:37:58,960 --> 01:38:01,519
Speaker 1: gonna step into a bigger role. Right, he's probably their

2175
01:38:01,520 --> 01:38:03,840
Speaker 1: top rotational guy right now. But if he's gonna step

2176
01:38:03,880 --> 01:38:06,360
Speaker 1: into a bigger role, it's about the consistency, all right.

2177
01:38:06,520 --> 01:38:06,640
Speaker 5: Uh.

2178
01:38:06,880 --> 01:38:09,559
Speaker 2: David Man sends in a good email here about some

2179
01:38:09,600 --> 01:38:11,599
Speaker 2: of the holdouts or ins or whatever the heck they

2180
01:38:11,600 --> 01:38:13,639
Speaker 2: are across the league that are going on right now.

2181
01:38:14,280 --> 01:38:16,479
Speaker 2: So he lists them all out and we can kind

2182
01:38:16,479 --> 01:38:18,520
Speaker 2: of just talk about them in terms of the Patriots,

2183
01:38:18,600 --> 01:38:21,760
Speaker 2: right the two he has a couple, al right, So

2184
01:38:21,840 --> 01:38:24,559
Speaker 2: can you see scenario when England actually tries to trade

2185
01:38:24,720 --> 01:38:27,080
Speaker 2: for one of these guys, one of these disgruntled looking

2186
01:38:27,120 --> 01:38:29,880
Speaker 2: for contract players. The first one here, I think is

2187
01:38:29,920 --> 01:38:32,839
Speaker 2: the most likely not to necessarily be dealt to New England,

2188
01:38:32,840 --> 01:38:36,600
Speaker 2: but just to be dealt period, Trey Hendrickson in Cincinnati.

2189
01:38:36,680 --> 01:38:40,000
Speaker 1: So Tracks really doesn't think he's getting dealt Okay, I

2190
01:38:40,040 --> 01:38:43,479
Speaker 1: trust Tracks, but I agree with you. I mean, it's

2191
01:38:43,600 --> 01:38:47,400
Speaker 1: just the history of Cincinnati. Has they gave those those contracts,

2192
01:38:47,439 --> 01:38:50,160
Speaker 1: the wide receivers. I could see the Patriots being interested

2193
01:38:50,160 --> 01:38:52,599
Speaker 1: because that's what, like I just talked about, with the receivers,

2194
01:38:52,600 --> 01:38:55,719
Speaker 1: they're missing that Lynchpin guy. Same thing with the pass rush.

2195
01:38:56,000 --> 01:38:59,360
Speaker 1: Hair Lander's a good player, but he's probably a.

2196
01:38:59,240 --> 01:39:04,360
Speaker 2: Low Enderson's an elite player, right what he's an elite player, Hendrickson.

2197
01:39:03,960 --> 01:39:06,559
Speaker 1: Hendrickson No, So I'm saying, like Landry's the closest they

2198
01:39:06,560 --> 01:39:09,120
Speaker 1: have to a lynch pin. But if he's a complimentary

2199
01:39:09,120 --> 01:39:11,800
Speaker 1: guy to a player like Hendrickson, right now, you're like,

2200
01:39:12,000 --> 01:39:14,720
Speaker 1: it's that coverage dictating, right, Henderson's going to dictate the

2201
01:39:14,720 --> 01:39:17,320
Speaker 1: blocking scheme, and I think that, you know, Mike Rabel

2202
01:39:17,320 --> 01:39:18,000
Speaker 1: wants a guy like that.

2203
01:39:18,120 --> 01:39:19,040
Speaker 2: Henderson's a beast.

2204
01:39:19,240 --> 01:39:21,160
Speaker 1: I think if Hendrickson became available, I don't know if

2205
01:39:21,520 --> 01:39:23,800
Speaker 1: the Patriots would match the pright now supposedly the issues

2206
01:39:23,840 --> 01:39:25,639
Speaker 1: the Bengals want a first round pick, which I would

2207
01:39:25,680 --> 01:39:28,800
Speaker 1: not do. I don't think anybody's gonna do. So that's ridiculous,

2208
01:39:28,800 --> 01:39:30,760
Speaker 1: and maybe he just ends up not playing this year.

2209
01:39:31,160 --> 01:39:32,720
Speaker 1: But all this back and.

2210
01:39:32,680 --> 01:39:34,840
Speaker 2: Guaranteed money, as it always does in terms of the

2211
01:39:34,840 --> 01:39:36,120
Speaker 2: Bengals side of things.

2212
01:39:35,960 --> 01:39:37,600
Speaker 1: Well, but this is a little different. So it's not

2213
01:39:37,640 --> 01:39:39,679
Speaker 1: about the amount of guarant just based on the reports,

2214
01:39:39,760 --> 01:39:43,240
Speaker 1: I don't know the inside, but it's not about the

2215
01:39:43,240 --> 01:39:45,120
Speaker 1: amount of guaranteed money. I mean, that's part of it.

2216
01:39:45,200 --> 01:39:51,800
Speaker 1: But what Garrett Max Crosby they got guaranteed money into

2217
01:39:51,800 --> 01:39:53,360
Speaker 1: the second and I think into the third year of

2218
01:39:53,400 --> 01:39:56,320
Speaker 1: their deals. Right, yeah, right now, it sounds like the

2219
01:39:56,360 --> 01:39:58,880
Speaker 1: Bengals are only guaranteeing money in the first year of

2220
01:39:58,920 --> 01:40:01,840
Speaker 1: the extension. Just what Hendrickson's problem is he wants long

2221
01:40:01,920 --> 01:40:02,640
Speaker 1: term security.

2222
01:40:02,960 --> 01:40:05,040
Speaker 2: Shocker in terms of the Bengals.

2223
01:40:05,120 --> 01:40:07,040
Speaker 1: Yeah, playing hard, No, And I don't fall to Hendrickson

2224
01:40:07,080 --> 01:40:08,679
Speaker 1: for wanting that, especially if those other guys got.

2225
01:40:08,600 --> 01:40:11,599
Speaker 2: It right, all right, this one. I gotta be honest

2226
01:40:11,640 --> 01:40:15,320
Speaker 2: with you. I would be absolutely floored if Terry McLaurin

2227
01:40:15,360 --> 01:40:19,400
Speaker 2: gets traded by Washington. That is, it's just not I

2228
01:40:19,439 --> 01:40:21,599
Speaker 2: don't want to go crazy, like this is not what's happening.

2229
01:40:21,600 --> 01:40:23,639
Speaker 2: I will say this, he's not getting traded. I didn't

2230
01:40:23,640 --> 01:40:24,960
Speaker 2: think he was going to hold out. I thought he

2231
01:40:25,040 --> 01:40:27,200
Speaker 2: might hold in. Yeah, I didn't think he was going

2232
01:40:27,240 --> 01:40:30,760
Speaker 2: to hold out. I was genuinely surprised the fines. You know,

2233
01:40:31,080 --> 01:40:34,160
Speaker 2: it's fifty thousand dollars a day. Now to us, that's

2234
01:40:34,200 --> 01:40:37,360
Speaker 2: that's incredible, Like, oh my, that's crazy. It's like insane

2235
01:40:37,400 --> 01:40:39,920
Speaker 2: to give up that kind of money. Now, he will

2236
01:40:40,200 --> 01:40:43,920
Speaker 2: could go out and sign thirty million dollars per year.

2237
01:40:44,360 --> 01:40:47,200
Speaker 2: So if he misses like a handful of practices and

2238
01:40:47,240 --> 01:40:49,160
Speaker 2: he has to he has two hundred and fifty thousand

2239
01:40:49,200 --> 01:40:50,920
Speaker 2: dollars in fine. I think the team's going to wave

2240
01:40:51,000 --> 01:40:53,800
Speaker 2: like forty million dollars signing both. It's like it's not

2241
01:40:53,840 --> 01:40:56,599
Speaker 2: going to matter, right, and he and teams could waive it,

2242
01:40:56,920 --> 01:40:59,880
Speaker 2: you know, if they want to be you know, do

2243
01:41:00,040 --> 01:41:01,280
Speaker 2: the right thing by the players.

2244
01:41:01,320 --> 01:41:04,120
Speaker 1: It's let in the negotiations. Yeah, right, and will wave

2245
01:41:04,160 --> 01:41:05,679
Speaker 1: your you know, we'll wave your fine.

2246
01:41:05,760 --> 01:41:09,240
Speaker 2: The single dumbest thing that you can do as the

2247
01:41:09,360 --> 01:41:13,040
Speaker 2: Washington Commanders in year two of Jaden Daniels, with all

2248
01:41:13,080 --> 01:41:15,080
Speaker 2: the momentum that you had last year going all the

2249
01:41:15,120 --> 01:41:17,840
Speaker 2: way to the NFC Championship Game, and Jadeen Daniels was

2250
01:41:17,920 --> 01:41:20,920
Speaker 2: legitimately a top five quarterback in the NFL out of

2251
01:41:20,960 --> 01:41:23,640
Speaker 2: the shoot as a rookie, the dumbest thing that you

2252
01:41:23,640 --> 01:41:26,760
Speaker 2: could do is be trade Terry McLaurin. It's not if

2253
01:41:26,800 --> 01:41:30,360
Speaker 2: this was five years from now, and I know mclaurin's like, ah,

2254
01:41:30,400 --> 01:41:32,679
Speaker 2: doesn't line up with this, but just for the take,

2255
01:41:33,000 --> 01:41:35,479
Speaker 2: this was five years from now and they decided to

2256
01:41:35,560 --> 01:41:39,599
Speaker 2: trade Jaden Daniels's top receiver because Jaden Daniels has won

2257
01:41:39,680 --> 01:41:41,920
Speaker 2: like three MVPs in a row, and he's gonna be fine.

2258
01:41:42,200 --> 01:41:44,120
Speaker 2: It's kind of like what Buffalo did with digs right,

2259
01:41:44,160 --> 01:41:47,639
Speaker 2: Like they finally said, Josh Allen's a made man. He's

2260
01:41:47,720 --> 01:41:50,680
Speaker 2: gonna be fine. It'll be fine. But we're not there

2261
01:41:50,760 --> 01:41:53,360
Speaker 2: yet with Jayden Daniels. Jaden Daniels had one year, Like

2262
01:41:53,439 --> 01:41:56,519
Speaker 2: he's not anywhere close to that level yet, where the

2263
01:41:56,560 --> 01:42:00,000
Speaker 2: consistency is there to deal a guy that is truly

2264
01:42:00,080 --> 01:42:02,320
Speaker 2: his best receiver, That would be dumb. Is dumb. And

2265
01:42:02,360 --> 01:42:07,120
Speaker 2: I don't think Scott Peters, Scott Peters, Adam Peters is dumb.

2266
01:42:07,360 --> 01:42:09,280
Speaker 2: I don't. I think he's a good executive. I don't

2267
01:42:09,320 --> 01:42:11,080
Speaker 2: think he's doing that now.

2268
01:42:12,040 --> 01:42:15,920
Speaker 1: I mean, I know it's different ownership that organization's had there.

2269
01:42:16,479 --> 01:42:19,799
Speaker 2: It's different ownership. It's different ownership. It's a different general manager,

2270
01:42:19,800 --> 01:42:21,920
Speaker 2: it's a different head coach, Like it's a different vibe

2271
01:42:22,040 --> 01:42:25,800
Speaker 2: in Washington the next one here. I can't. I can't

2272
01:42:25,880 --> 01:42:29,519
Speaker 2: rule this out completely because it's Jerry, and Jerry does

2273
01:42:29,520 --> 01:42:33,960
Speaker 2: what Jerry does. Like Micah Parsons is unhappy in Dallas.

2274
01:42:34,640 --> 01:42:36,800
Speaker 2: I mean, I mean the owner's talking smack about him,

2275
01:42:36,840 --> 01:42:40,400
Speaker 2: so you have to be again that is done with

2276
01:42:40,439 --> 01:42:44,400
Speaker 2: the capitol, so that and B to trade maybe, yeah,

2277
01:42:44,439 --> 01:42:47,720
Speaker 2: I think a top ten player in football, like regardless.

2278
01:42:47,240 --> 01:42:50,280
Speaker 1: Of now you're talking about multiple first round picks if

2279
01:42:50,280 --> 01:42:50,839
Speaker 1: he gets.

2280
01:42:51,040 --> 01:42:54,320
Speaker 2: He's legitimately Like, let's take quarterbacks out of it, because

2281
01:42:54,320 --> 01:42:56,760
Speaker 2: it's always hard when the value of a quarterback is

2282
01:42:56,800 --> 01:43:00,559
Speaker 2: so high at non quarterbacks if we were just draft

2283
01:43:00,800 --> 01:43:04,519
Speaker 2: non quarterbacks, like Micah Parsans is a top ten pick easily.

2284
01:43:04,600 --> 01:43:09,439
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, I mean it's him, it's Seul Garrett. Yeah,

2285
01:43:09,520 --> 01:43:13,080
Speaker 1: it's probably wider some of the justin Jefferson j Yeah, yeah,

2286
01:43:13,080 --> 01:43:20,120
Speaker 1: but yeah there, yes he is to stop doesn't matter.

2287
01:43:21,200 --> 01:43:22,920
Speaker 1: That would be like multiple first round picks. I don't

2288
01:43:22,920 --> 01:43:25,200
Speaker 1: think he's getting traded simply because like I don't think

2289
01:43:25,800 --> 01:43:27,280
Speaker 1: a team's going to give up what he's worth.

2290
01:43:27,720 --> 01:43:30,160
Speaker 2: Yeah, that one would be tough to give up enough

2291
01:43:30,200 --> 01:43:33,439
Speaker 2: compensation for Dallas to truly move him, right, But Like,

2292
01:43:33,920 --> 01:43:35,880
Speaker 2: the thing is that Jerry is saying ridiculous, and I

2293
01:43:35,920 --> 01:43:38,599
Speaker 2: know it's shouldn't I shouldn't, I shouldn't, Like it's glass

2294
01:43:38,600 --> 01:43:41,240
Speaker 2: Asse type thing, but like, what are you doing, Like

2295
01:43:41,320 --> 01:43:43,240
Speaker 2: you're saying, oh, well, we might just because we sign him.

2296
01:43:43,280 --> 01:43:45,280
Speaker 2: We might not have him because he got hurt last year,

2297
01:43:45,320 --> 01:43:48,280
Speaker 2: Like everybody gets hurt sometimes, Like it's football, all right.

2298
01:43:48,360 --> 01:43:51,680
Speaker 2: Last one here from David Maine. Shamar Stewart also with

2299
01:43:51,720 --> 01:43:55,799
Speaker 2: the Cincinnati Bengals. So Shamar Stewart went back to school,

2300
01:43:56,120 --> 01:43:58,160
Speaker 2: I believe, right, So they can't play.

2301
01:43:58,240 --> 01:44:02,800
Speaker 1: I think there's an internet rumors he's at Texas and practices.

2302
01:44:03,080 --> 01:44:05,519
Speaker 2: So he's not eligible to play college football anymore.

2303
01:44:05,840 --> 01:44:06,920
Speaker 1: No, he cannot know.

2304
01:44:07,120 --> 01:44:11,360
Speaker 2: But he could sit out the year with Cincinnati and

2305
01:44:11,520 --> 01:44:14,400
Speaker 2: re enter the twenty twenty six draft. Yes, but he

2306
01:44:14,400 --> 01:44:16,720
Speaker 2: would be out of football for an entire year, not

2307
01:44:16,760 --> 01:44:19,479
Speaker 2: playing college or pro football for an entire.

2308
01:44:19,320 --> 01:44:22,040
Speaker 1: So I've been looking into this and I haven't gotten

2309
01:44:22,040 --> 01:44:24,720
Speaker 1: the exact answer. I think he could go play in

2310
01:44:24,720 --> 01:44:25,280
Speaker 1: the UFL.

2311
01:44:26,320 --> 01:44:28,479
Speaker 2: He's not under contract in the NFL, but he declared no.

2312
01:44:28,560 --> 01:44:29,719
Speaker 1: They put in the UFL.

2313
01:44:31,760 --> 01:44:33,400
Speaker 2: Where which one is that?

2314
01:44:33,479 --> 01:44:35,080
Speaker 1: There's only one left? It's the spring league.

2315
01:44:35,120 --> 01:44:36,680
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's what I'm saying, Like he can go and

2316
01:44:36,760 --> 01:44:38,320
Speaker 2: play pro football.

2317
01:44:38,360 --> 01:44:40,720
Speaker 1: No, But so this this is which if I was him,

2318
01:44:40,800 --> 01:44:42,400
Speaker 1: this is what I would do if he's not going

2319
01:44:42,479 --> 01:44:45,360
Speaker 1: to play, is go to the UFL because he'll dominate

2320
01:44:46,320 --> 01:44:49,160
Speaker 1: and then use that to because inherently his draft sock

2321
01:44:49,240 --> 01:44:52,320
Speaker 1: is going to go down because he's another year older. Yeah,

2322
01:44:52,360 --> 01:44:54,160
Speaker 1: it's been out of the game. It's going to go

2323
01:44:54,280 --> 01:44:57,519
Speaker 1: way down, right well, because it's just this whole, this whole.

2324
01:44:57,520 --> 01:44:59,160
Speaker 1: But if you go to the UFL and put up

2325
01:44:59,800 --> 01:45:01,000
Speaker 1: a teen sacks.

2326
01:45:00,680 --> 01:45:03,959
Speaker 2: In ten games, yeah, I dominate that level.

2327
01:45:03,960 --> 01:45:05,920
Speaker 1: Right, So that's what I'm saying. But I don't think

2328
01:45:05,920 --> 01:45:08,320
Speaker 1: he's gonna get traded because if you're the bank, first

2329
01:45:08,360 --> 01:45:10,080
Speaker 1: of all, if you're the Bengals, you trade Tamar Stewart,

2330
01:45:10,120 --> 01:45:12,439
Speaker 1: you lose all your leverage with Trey Hendrickson. The Trey

2331
01:45:12,439 --> 01:45:14,519
Speaker 1: Hendrickson hat thing has to be settled first.

2332
01:45:14,520 --> 01:45:16,760
Speaker 2: You can't draft a guy in the first round and

2333
01:45:16,800 --> 01:45:19,120
Speaker 2: then have a contract dispute and then immediately trade the

2334
01:45:19,120 --> 01:45:20,960
Speaker 2: guy like it's just such bad.

2335
01:45:21,640 --> 01:45:23,680
Speaker 1: They if they decide like, all right, it's just that

2336
01:45:24,080 --> 01:45:26,280
Speaker 1: we're at an impasse, it's not gonna work. And I

2337
01:45:26,280 --> 01:45:31,360
Speaker 1: mean that in itself is a fireable offense. You can't

2338
01:45:31,479 --> 01:45:33,280
Speaker 1: do anything with Stuart until you do somee with Hendrickson

2339
01:45:33,400 --> 01:45:36,080
Speaker 1: because if you move on from Stewart or you announced

2340
01:45:36,120 --> 01:45:39,960
Speaker 1: or he announces without you, hey not playing this year

2341
01:45:40,520 --> 01:45:43,240
Speaker 1: Trey Hendrickson's offer just went up by or Trey Hendrickson's

2342
01:45:43,240 --> 01:45:45,280
Speaker 1: demand just went up by twenty percent, because you can't

2343
01:45:45,280 --> 01:45:48,440
Speaker 1: lose both of them. Now they should be prioritizing Stuart,

2344
01:45:48,560 --> 01:45:52,760
Speaker 1: but you can't. If it gets out that Stuart's not

2345
01:45:52,760 --> 01:45:56,880
Speaker 1: gonna play, they lose it all with Trey Hendrickson and

2346
01:45:56,880 --> 01:45:57,960
Speaker 1: now they're down both guys.

2347
01:45:58,280 --> 01:46:02,040
Speaker 2: I'd be fascinated to see a player sit out the

2348
01:46:02,200 --> 01:46:05,200
Speaker 2: entire year and then re enter the draft next year.

2349
01:46:05,479 --> 01:46:06,160
Speaker 2: That would be cool.

2350
01:46:06,200 --> 01:46:08,040
Speaker 1: I'm really interested to know.

2351
01:46:08,360 --> 01:46:11,960
Speaker 2: I'd get drafted on Day three, right. So I guess

2352
01:46:11,960 --> 01:46:15,720
Speaker 2: it depends on like the optics from the from the

2353
01:46:15,760 --> 01:46:18,200
Speaker 2: other thirty one teams. Do they think he was in

2354
01:46:18,240 --> 01:46:21,840
Speaker 2: the right in this whole situation, because like there's gonna

2355
01:46:21,840 --> 01:46:23,800
Speaker 2: be some people in the league. I'm sure that are

2356
01:46:23,840 --> 01:46:25,320
Speaker 2: gonna think he's a headache right.

2357
01:46:25,520 --> 01:46:27,719
Speaker 1: Right, But it's it's you know, what do they think

2358
01:46:27,760 --> 01:46:31,040
Speaker 1: of Do they know the details what the Bengals are offering?

2359
01:46:31,120 --> 01:46:33,240
Speaker 1: I think does he keep the same agent or does

2360
01:46:33,240 --> 01:46:36,240
Speaker 1: he change agents? Yeah, that would be a factor. Does

2361
01:46:36,240 --> 01:46:38,640
Speaker 1: he go to the combine again? So I don't know

2362
01:46:38,680 --> 01:46:40,439
Speaker 1: if you can play in the spring and be eligible

2363
01:46:40,439 --> 01:46:42,840
Speaker 1: for the draft. I remember there was that corner two

2364
01:46:42,880 --> 01:46:45,800
Speaker 1: years ago who played in Canada and got drafted after

2365
01:46:45,920 --> 01:46:49,160
Speaker 1: not playing college football. So I don't exactly know how

2366
01:46:49,200 --> 01:46:50,800
Speaker 1: that works. And if I don't know how it works,

2367
01:46:50,840 --> 01:46:52,519
Speaker 1: it's probably a pretty complicated question.

2368
01:46:53,240 --> 01:46:54,960
Speaker 2: If he went to I don't tell you a factor

2369
01:46:55,000 --> 01:46:57,200
Speaker 2: in the spring league thing. I just know from what

2370
01:46:57,240 --> 01:46:59,960
Speaker 2: I understand, if he doesn't play in the NFL next year,

2371
01:47:00,160 --> 01:47:02,439
Speaker 2: he can re enter the point twenty I think so.

2372
01:47:02,600 --> 01:47:04,640
Speaker 1: But it's the amateur draft, right, So if you're in

2373
01:47:04,640 --> 01:47:06,719
Speaker 1: the UFL and you get paid by the UFL.

2374
01:47:06,800 --> 01:47:09,559
Speaker 2: Oh, it's so silly because now nil exists, so nothing is.

2375
01:47:09,680 --> 01:47:11,800
Speaker 1: Oh, that's true, So maybe he could so I just

2376
01:47:11,840 --> 01:47:16,400
Speaker 1: for reference here, Uh oh, I can't pronounce that peta

2377
01:47:17,240 --> 01:47:24,240
Speaker 1: peta peta two taomo pinuu. I apologize out of Utah.

2378
01:47:24,280 --> 01:47:26,280
Speaker 1: It was a six round pick in twenty seventeen. He

2379
01:47:26,400 --> 01:47:28,920
Speaker 1: led the UFL in sacks last year. He had seven

2380
01:47:28,920 --> 01:47:31,559
Speaker 1: and a half and nine games. Willie Taylor played ten games.

2381
01:47:31,600 --> 01:47:33,120
Speaker 1: He had seven. Nobody else had more than five and

2382
01:47:33,160 --> 01:47:35,640
Speaker 1: a half. How many you thinks schmar Stewart's getting in

2383
01:47:35,680 --> 01:47:36,080
Speaker 1: that league?

2384
01:47:36,160 --> 01:47:36,720
Speaker 2: Yeah? A lot?

2385
01:47:37,160 --> 01:47:40,439
Speaker 1: Right? If he goes out and it's like the guy.

2386
01:47:40,520 --> 01:47:41,880
Speaker 1: It would be like the guys that light up the

2387
01:47:41,920 --> 01:47:44,000
Speaker 1: Group of five conferences and the D two conferences where

2388
01:47:44,000 --> 01:47:45,840
Speaker 1: they get drafted, because yes, the numbers are going to

2389
01:47:45,880 --> 01:47:48,719
Speaker 1: be better, but they're so sheerly overwhelming. If Shamar Stewart

2390
01:47:48,720 --> 01:47:51,719
Speaker 1: really turns it up, I'll throw it out there. Twenty

2391
01:47:51,760 --> 01:47:53,720
Speaker 1: sacks in ten games. Let's say it's two sacks a

2392
01:47:53,760 --> 01:47:56,960
Speaker 1: game in UFL. There's no way he's going outside the

2393
01:47:57,000 --> 01:47:58,519
Speaker 1: top one hundred, and I don't know that he can do.

2394
01:47:58,760 --> 01:48:00,559
Speaker 2: Maybe not outside the top one hund but I still

2395
01:48:00,880 --> 01:48:01,920
Speaker 2: I don't think you can take that.

2396
01:48:02,080 --> 01:48:03,360
Speaker 1: You watched that league enough.

2397
01:48:03,400 --> 01:48:04,919
Speaker 2: You can't take that guy in the first.

2398
01:48:04,680 --> 01:48:05,960
Speaker 1: You've watched that I don't think he'd be a first

2399
01:48:06,040 --> 01:48:07,320
Speaker 1: UND pick, but you've watched that league enough. Do you

2400
01:48:07,320 --> 01:48:09,320
Speaker 1: think he get twenty sacks in ten games in that league?

2401
01:48:10,360 --> 01:48:12,240
Speaker 2: I don't Know't he wasn't he didn't have great sack

2402
01:48:12,280 --> 01:48:13,240
Speaker 2: production in college.

2403
01:48:13,280 --> 01:48:15,200
Speaker 1: Well that that's because Texas A and M's defense.

2404
01:48:15,000 --> 01:48:16,880
Speaker 2: Was Maybe, but you're right, all right, let's get to

2405
01:48:16,920 --> 01:48:18,599
Speaker 2: these calls and then we got to wrap it up here.

2406
01:48:18,920 --> 01:48:26,200
Speaker 2: Jordan is in Ohio. It's up Jordan, Jordan, all right,

2407
01:48:27,040 --> 01:48:27,880
Speaker 2: there you are go.

2408
01:48:27,840 --> 01:48:30,360
Speaker 8: For itylug and can you hear me?

2409
01:48:30,520 --> 01:48:31,720
Speaker 2: Yeah, go for it? What's up?

2410
01:48:33,640 --> 01:48:36,960
Speaker 7: Did you did you guys hear anything about Colin is

2411
01:48:37,479 --> 01:48:38,639
Speaker 7: injury coming back?

2412
01:48:38,720 --> 01:48:42,760
Speaker 2: If he if he pulled, Yeah, thanks for the college Jordan.

2413
01:48:42,840 --> 01:48:44,679
Speaker 2: Now he is a full go. He was out there today,

2414
01:48:44,840 --> 01:48:48,479
Speaker 2: not on the list, not on pup. Uh, so he's

2415
01:48:48,520 --> 01:48:51,160
Speaker 2: good to go. It seems like and uh, you know

2416
01:48:51,200 --> 01:48:53,160
Speaker 2: out there in the team it was twenty three and

2417
01:48:53,280 --> 01:48:55,719
Speaker 2: five back there at safety with the first team defense.

2418
01:48:55,760 --> 01:48:59,640
Speaker 2: So Jabriel Pepper is Kyle Dugger back home out in

2419
01:48:59,680 --> 01:49:03,559
Speaker 2: their charting roles as of right now. I'll continue to

2420
01:49:03,600 --> 01:49:08,920
Speaker 2: say I don't let's not totally forget because the last year,

2421
01:49:09,479 --> 01:49:12,200
Speaker 2: that two years ago, Kyle Dugger and Jabrill Peppers were

2422
01:49:12,240 --> 01:49:16,080
Speaker 2: considered a formidable safety dandem, you know, probably top ten

2423
01:49:16,120 --> 01:49:19,080
Speaker 2: safety deal in the league. That was just two years ago.

2424
01:49:19,160 --> 01:49:21,439
Speaker 1: I think they still can be. They weren't. Neither one

2425
01:49:21,439 --> 01:49:23,599
Speaker 1: of them was healthy really had any point last year.

2426
01:49:23,640 --> 01:49:24,280
Speaker 2: Pepper said all.

2427
01:49:24,240 --> 01:49:27,920
Speaker 1: The Peppers had all the offense stuff on top of that. Like, now,

2428
01:49:28,360 --> 01:49:30,360
Speaker 1: if they'll be healthy is a fair question. That's really

2429
01:49:30,360 --> 01:49:33,240
Speaker 1: my lone concern with their secondary. If those two guys

2430
01:49:33,280 --> 01:49:36,080
Speaker 1: are fully healthy. Between those two again, I think can

2431
01:49:36,120 --> 01:49:38,320
Speaker 1: be a top ten safety duo. I love both those players.

2432
01:49:38,360 --> 01:49:40,639
Speaker 1: I think Jabrill Peppers one of the most underrated players

2433
01:49:40,680 --> 01:49:43,519
Speaker 1: in the NFL at this point. Obviously, Carlton Davis, Christian

2434
01:49:43,520 --> 01:49:45,360
Speaker 1: is auz what they can do that speaks for themselves.

2435
01:49:45,560 --> 01:49:48,200
Speaker 1: Marcus Jones a really good slot corner. I like Alex

2436
01:49:48,240 --> 01:49:50,759
Speaker 1: Saustin is a depth I like Jalen Hawkins and Marcus

2437
01:49:50,760 --> 01:49:52,880
Speaker 1: Eps's depth, and Craig Woodson seems like he might have

2438
01:49:52,920 --> 01:49:55,960
Speaker 1: something going there. Yeah, the only question for me, because

2439
01:49:55,960 --> 01:49:59,280
Speaker 1: it's legitimate, if like how healthy are Kyle dug and

2440
01:49:59,360 --> 01:50:01,360
Speaker 1: Jabrill Peppers and how healthy will they stay this season

2441
01:50:01,439 --> 01:50:03,800
Speaker 1: because both those guys every history injuries. But if those

2442
01:50:03,840 --> 01:50:05,559
Speaker 1: guys are one hundred percent, they're game changers.

2443
01:50:05,720 --> 01:50:07,960
Speaker 2: There's inherently always going to be some boom robust to

2444
01:50:08,000 --> 01:50:10,240
Speaker 2: Kyle Duggar's game. I don't think Kyle dugger is a

2445
01:50:10,240 --> 01:50:12,759
Speaker 2: Devin McCarty type where he's going to be a Simon

2446
01:50:12,880 --> 01:50:15,120
Speaker 2: sound on every single play and always in the right

2447
01:50:15,120 --> 01:50:17,720
Speaker 2: place and never making glaring mistakes and all that type

2448
01:50:17,760 --> 01:50:19,719
Speaker 2: of stuff. I just don't think that that's his game.

2449
01:50:19,760 --> 01:50:22,040
Speaker 2: But going back to twenty three. Like he was a

2450
01:50:22,080 --> 01:50:25,080
Speaker 2: turnover machine for a couple of years there, like pick sixes,

2451
01:50:25,400 --> 01:50:28,880
Speaker 2: return touchdowns, getting his you know, getting his hands on

2452
01:50:28,880 --> 01:50:32,599
Speaker 2: the football constantly around the football. He was a much

2453
01:50:32,600 --> 01:50:35,120
Speaker 2: better player a couple of years ago before that ankle

2454
01:50:35,120 --> 01:50:38,880
Speaker 2: injury last year. I think the ankle I think that

2455
01:50:39,040 --> 01:50:41,720
Speaker 2: started to have his season snowball on him. Was the

2456
01:50:41,760 --> 01:50:43,599
Speaker 2: injury was the main reason, but I think it also

2457
01:50:43,640 --> 01:50:46,600
Speaker 2: snowballed on him mentally once he like couldn't move the

2458
01:50:46,640 --> 01:50:48,599
Speaker 2: way that he needed to move, and then you know,

2459
01:50:48,640 --> 01:50:50,720
Speaker 2: then from there his brain just got scrambled and he

2460
01:50:50,800 --> 01:50:53,800
Speaker 2: just wasn't seeing the game fast enough and his game

2461
01:50:53,840 --> 01:50:56,559
Speaker 2: fell apart. But I don't mean to like put it

2462
01:50:56,600 --> 01:50:59,200
Speaker 2: all on the coaching staffs of last year and this year,

2463
01:50:59,240 --> 01:51:02,720
Speaker 2: But Kyle Dugger and Jabil Peppers are two players that

2464
01:51:02,760 --> 01:51:04,479
Speaker 2: I think I have a chance to both bounce back

2465
01:51:04,960 --> 01:51:07,280
Speaker 2: and be the players that we saw two years ago.

2466
01:51:07,360 --> 01:51:09,360
Speaker 2: Now that doesn't make them, you know, Rodney Harrison and

2467
01:51:09,520 --> 01:51:12,599
Speaker 2: Ed Reed right, Like, no one's saying that, But if

2468
01:51:12,640 --> 01:51:15,040
Speaker 2: they can be what they were two years ago, I

2469
01:51:15,479 --> 01:51:18,200
Speaker 2: like their safety room, I like their duo as a

2470
01:51:18,240 --> 01:51:21,599
Speaker 2: starting duo. I still think they can be productive players

2471
01:51:21,600 --> 01:51:24,439
Speaker 2: in this league. All right, Eric is in Quincy. Wrap

2472
01:51:24,479 --> 01:51:31,640
Speaker 2: it on, Eric, what's up Eric? Eric? Of course, the

2473
01:51:31,720 --> 01:51:35,719
Speaker 2: last call we left us saying it's okay, Eric, maybe

2474
01:51:35,720 --> 01:51:38,160
Speaker 2: you can call in next next week as well. So

2475
01:51:38,800 --> 01:51:41,360
Speaker 2: that is gonna do it for today's show. Next week.

2476
01:51:41,400 --> 01:51:43,440
Speaker 2: I feel like we're gonna have a lot more to say.

2477
01:51:43,680 --> 01:51:44,920
Speaker 2: This was one practice I did.

2478
01:51:44,960 --> 01:51:46,680
Speaker 1: We'll have a padded practice or two under the belt

2479
01:51:46,720 --> 01:51:48,120
Speaker 1: by then, right, should be two or three?

2480
01:51:48,240 --> 01:51:48,439
Speaker 2: Yep?

2481
01:51:48,479 --> 01:51:48,880
Speaker 1: What is it?

2482
01:51:48,880 --> 01:51:52,680
Speaker 2: So wait, it's I believe I believe, don't quote me.

2483
01:51:53,040 --> 01:51:55,080
Speaker 2: I believe Monday is gonna be the first PATI.

2484
01:51:55,280 --> 01:51:58,439
Speaker 1: So it'll be Wednesday, Thursday, Friday, Saturday, they're off on Sunday,

2485
01:51:58,439 --> 01:51:59,439
Speaker 1: and then first padded practice.

2486
01:51:59,600 --> 01:52:01,840
Speaker 2: I believe are gonna get Monday, Tuesday, Wednesday, paths.

2487
01:52:01,880 --> 01:52:03,000
Speaker 1: That's usually how that lines up.

2488
01:52:03,160 --> 01:52:08,080
Speaker 2: Yes, So next Wednesday, same time, same place. We will

2489
01:52:08,120 --> 01:52:11,960
Speaker 2: have multiple practices and multiple padded practices, so have a

2490
01:52:11,960 --> 01:52:13,000
Speaker 2: lot more to digest.

2491
01:52:13,120 --> 01:52:16,559
Speaker 1: Same time, by the way, means like two fifteen two ish.

2492
01:52:16,680 --> 01:52:19,639
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, and we're gonna have a lot more to digest.

2493
01:52:19,760 --> 01:52:23,519
Speaker 2: So that'll be fun. That'll be good. But we wanted

2494
01:52:23,560 --> 01:52:26,439
Speaker 2: to give you as much of a symnopsis as we

2495
01:52:26,520 --> 01:52:30,439
Speaker 2: could of today's practice, not overreacting today's practice given the

2496
01:52:30,520 --> 01:52:32,559
Speaker 2: fact that it was such a small sample size. But

2497
01:52:32,640 --> 01:52:35,040
Speaker 2: next week we'll be back. We'll have some padded practices

2498
01:52:35,080 --> 01:52:37,920
Speaker 2: under our belt to discuss, and training camp will be

2499
01:52:37,960 --> 01:52:41,599
Speaker 2: fully underway a week from today, so we'll be good

2500
01:52:41,600 --> 01:52:44,479
Speaker 2: to go. But until then, signing off for Alex behind

2501
01:52:44,479 --> 01:52:46,960
Speaker 2: the Glass Alex Barth Evan Lazarre will see you guys

2502
01:52:46,960 --> 01:52:47,360
Speaker 2: next week.

2503
01:52:50,520 --> 01:52:52,639
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