1 00:00:00,280 --> 00:00:01,520 Speaker 1: Ben Higgins and Ashley. 2 00:00:01,560 --> 00:00:03,640 Speaker 2: I bring you infamous. 3 00:00:04,080 --> 00:00:07,080 Speaker 1: Sometimes roses are red flags. 4 00:00:07,440 --> 00:00:13,160 Speaker 3: Welcome to almost Famous. It is another episode of Infamous. 5 00:00:13,280 --> 00:00:15,280 Speaker 3: We want to step back to season thirteen of the 6 00:00:15,320 --> 00:00:18,960 Speaker 3: Bachelorette when Rachel Lindsay was the Bachelorette, and you might 7 00:00:19,000 --> 00:00:22,840 Speaker 3: remember our guest, the Bachelor that never was, the Bachelor 8 00:00:22,880 --> 00:00:27,080 Speaker 3: that got away. In my opinion, he was known for 9 00:00:27,200 --> 00:00:30,160 Speaker 3: his little gap tooth smile and the little silver flex 10 00:00:30,200 --> 00:00:35,600 Speaker 3: in his hair. It is Peter Craus. Peter, welcome to 11 00:00:35,680 --> 00:00:36,440 Speaker 3: the podcast. 12 00:00:37,000 --> 00:00:39,560 Speaker 1: Thank you very much. Prian, more gret now than ever, 13 00:00:39,640 --> 00:00:41,520 Speaker 1: and the gap toooths are still there. 14 00:00:41,680 --> 00:00:44,640 Speaker 3: Yeah, you're not sal You're like you are. You're actually 15 00:00:44,720 --> 00:00:46,200 Speaker 3: the definition salt and pepper. 16 00:00:46,240 --> 00:00:48,200 Speaker 1: Now i'd say, oh yeah, I'd say I'm more salt 17 00:00:48,200 --> 00:00:49,040 Speaker 1: than pepper at this point. 18 00:00:49,280 --> 00:00:51,680 Speaker 2: When did you start doing gray eighteen? 19 00:00:52,560 --> 00:00:54,360 Speaker 1: I was eighteen years old when I saw my first 20 00:00:54,360 --> 00:00:54,880 Speaker 1: gray hairs. 21 00:00:55,040 --> 00:00:57,080 Speaker 2: Yeah, I feel like I was around that age. 22 00:00:57,520 --> 00:00:59,520 Speaker 1: Yeah, this first time I've seen you with some gray 23 00:00:59,560 --> 00:01:02,360 Speaker 1: and your beard. Oh dude, I'm getting welcome to the party. 24 00:01:02,440 --> 00:01:04,920 Speaker 3: Jared's beard is the first to go too. I don't 25 00:01:04,959 --> 00:01:08,840 Speaker 3: know what it is. He's so great there, Peter, we 26 00:01:08,880 --> 00:01:11,400 Speaker 3: are so excited to talk to you. And I have 27 00:01:11,480 --> 00:01:16,560 Speaker 3: to just air this before when you started dating your girlfriend, Hannah, 28 00:01:16,600 --> 00:01:18,000 Speaker 3: Is that how you say your name Hannah? 29 00:01:18,120 --> 00:01:21,640 Speaker 1: Hannah? Oh, it is a traditional old plunciation, but yeah, 30 00:01:21,640 --> 00:01:22,600 Speaker 1: spelled Ana. 31 00:01:23,520 --> 00:01:23,880 Speaker 2: Okay. 32 00:01:24,040 --> 00:01:28,560 Speaker 3: So I met her ten years ago to this month, 33 00:01:29,200 --> 00:01:31,720 Speaker 3: and we started following each other on Instagram. 34 00:01:32,120 --> 00:01:32,360 Speaker 1: Yeah. 35 00:01:32,560 --> 00:01:34,920 Speaker 3: I was at an event. It was a very small, 36 00:01:34,959 --> 00:01:36,520 Speaker 3: like girls only sort of. 37 00:01:37,080 --> 00:01:37,280 Speaker 1: Uh. 38 00:01:37,360 --> 00:01:39,600 Speaker 3: I think it was the premiere of the Bachelorette. It 39 00:01:39,640 --> 00:01:42,039 Speaker 3: was like a viewing party for it at the W 40 00:01:42,280 --> 00:01:44,880 Speaker 3: Hotel in Fort Lauderdale. And she and I were talking 41 00:01:45,000 --> 00:01:47,560 Speaker 3: sports broadcasting because we had both gone to school for 42 00:01:47,600 --> 00:01:50,880 Speaker 3: that and she was, you know, on TV for it. Yeah, 43 00:01:51,080 --> 00:01:53,680 Speaker 3: she was like really making her way down there and 44 00:01:53,920 --> 00:01:56,720 Speaker 3: uh yeah. So and I've been following her ever since, 45 00:01:56,720 --> 00:01:58,400 Speaker 3: like she just comes up with my feed. Still I 46 00:01:58,440 --> 00:02:00,360 Speaker 3: still like have always like kind of engaged. It had 47 00:02:00,400 --> 00:02:03,080 Speaker 3: been for some reason, just interested. And then all of 48 00:02:03,120 --> 00:02:06,360 Speaker 3: a sudden, I saw you two start posting about each other. 49 00:02:06,440 --> 00:02:09,600 Speaker 3: I was like, what in the small world is this 50 00:02:10,760 --> 00:02:13,840 Speaker 3: you met on Riya Riyah Raya right right now? 51 00:02:13,960 --> 00:02:15,960 Speaker 1: Yeah? Well and she knows, I mean she's told me 52 00:02:16,000 --> 00:02:18,600 Speaker 1: the same story. I'm impressed. You remember the exact details 53 00:02:18,600 --> 00:02:19,480 Speaker 1: of it. That's impressive. 54 00:02:19,680 --> 00:02:21,120 Speaker 3: Oh she has, Oh my god. 55 00:02:21,240 --> 00:02:24,040 Speaker 1: Yeah. And then really then you actually met her at 56 00:02:24,040 --> 00:02:25,639 Speaker 1: one point too. You probably don't even know. That's because 57 00:02:25,639 --> 00:02:29,119 Speaker 1: I didn't know it. We were in Vegas. The last 58 00:02:29,120 --> 00:02:32,799 Speaker 1: time I saw you was in Vegas, like eight something 59 00:02:32,840 --> 00:02:33,120 Speaker 1: like that. 60 00:02:33,760 --> 00:02:34,480 Speaker 2: I do the same thing. 61 00:02:34,520 --> 00:02:35,320 Speaker 3: Twenty eighteen. 62 00:02:35,480 --> 00:02:38,359 Speaker 1: Yeah, Sorr, yeah, twenty eighteen. Yea, twenty eighteen. 63 00:02:38,440 --> 00:02:40,120 Speaker 2: I was trying to think back. I was like, goodness, 64 00:02:40,360 --> 00:02:43,880 Speaker 2: this is we're now were really going to make me 65 00:02:43,919 --> 00:02:44,480 Speaker 2: feel awkward. 66 00:02:44,880 --> 00:02:47,560 Speaker 1: Fast forward from then eight or ten years. Yeah, you know. 67 00:02:47,639 --> 00:02:50,639 Speaker 1: So she was there on a bachherette party and we 68 00:02:50,639 --> 00:02:53,520 Speaker 1: were at a pool. We had just gotten done surfing 69 00:02:53,600 --> 00:02:56,119 Speaker 1: at the pool, and she and her friends apparently walked 70 00:02:56,200 --> 00:02:57,960 Speaker 1: up to us and introduced themselves and chatted with us 71 00:02:57,960 --> 00:03:00,000 Speaker 1: for a little bit, And so I had met her. 72 00:03:00,040 --> 00:03:04,359 Speaker 1: I don't remember this interaction mattered for they just said 73 00:03:04,440 --> 00:03:06,360 Speaker 1: hi and that was the end of that. Moved on 74 00:03:06,400 --> 00:03:07,399 Speaker 1: with their lives plan. 75 00:03:07,200 --> 00:03:09,519 Speaker 2: At Hollywood twenty eighteen. 76 00:03:09,760 --> 00:03:11,960 Speaker 1: I know, Wow, good memory. 77 00:03:12,280 --> 00:03:14,640 Speaker 2: Yeah, but you didn't remember this, so I'm not like 78 00:03:14,720 --> 00:03:19,400 Speaker 2: in trouble or not remembering this interaction. No, And you've 79 00:03:19,400 --> 00:03:20,200 Speaker 2: been together for how long. 80 00:03:20,280 --> 00:03:22,320 Speaker 1: Now, it'll be a year next month. 81 00:03:22,880 --> 00:03:26,240 Speaker 2: Goodness, is this the first major relationship since the show, 82 00:03:26,760 --> 00:03:28,280 Speaker 2: like major relationship. 83 00:03:28,040 --> 00:03:30,480 Speaker 1: First one that I'm sharing publicly, I would say. 84 00:03:30,760 --> 00:03:33,320 Speaker 2: Which means like you have some confidence in her. 85 00:03:33,240 --> 00:03:35,520 Speaker 1: Right, Oh, yeah, We'll be engaged by the end of 86 00:03:35,560 --> 00:03:38,400 Speaker 1: the year. I'll married next year, kids by the end 87 00:03:38,440 --> 00:03:42,200 Speaker 1: of next year, I would guess. Yeah, that's so cute. 88 00:03:42,240 --> 00:03:42,800 Speaker 2: No, I love it. 89 00:03:42,880 --> 00:03:45,240 Speaker 3: I'm not surprised by this at all. My sister I 90 00:03:45,280 --> 00:03:48,200 Speaker 3: told her that I was interviewing you today and she 91 00:03:48,360 --> 00:03:52,120 Speaker 3: was like, he deleted all the pictures on his Instagram 92 00:03:52,560 --> 00:03:55,600 Speaker 3: from his life before he met Hannah. You have to 93 00:03:55,600 --> 00:03:56,520 Speaker 3: talk to him about that. 94 00:03:57,160 --> 00:03:59,880 Speaker 1: Well. That started with, so, I have a new business 95 00:04:00,120 --> 00:04:02,880 Speaker 1: entra going on, and I'd gotten off on Instagram at 96 00:04:02,880 --> 00:04:04,640 Speaker 1: one point. I just was sick of dealing with it 97 00:04:05,200 --> 00:04:07,320 Speaker 1: and the new business venture. I wanted to announce with 98 00:04:07,440 --> 00:04:09,520 Speaker 1: like just a clean slate and just have everything be 99 00:04:09,680 --> 00:04:12,880 Speaker 1: pertaining to that. And then she announced our relationship on 100 00:04:12,880 --> 00:04:14,560 Speaker 1: Instagram and I just felt bad that she was doing 101 00:04:14,600 --> 00:04:17,440 Speaker 1: it and I wasn't. So I decided to just announce 102 00:04:18,080 --> 00:04:21,520 Speaker 1: my return to Instagram, I guess early. And so now 103 00:04:21,560 --> 00:04:23,880 Speaker 1: it's just pretty much she and I is my entire Instagram. 104 00:04:24,120 --> 00:04:26,000 Speaker 2: There was no life before he Let's be honest. 105 00:04:26,279 --> 00:04:28,120 Speaker 3: Yeah, that's what's so romantic about it. 106 00:04:28,839 --> 00:04:31,120 Speaker 1: And that's why I said everything starts with this, Like 107 00:04:31,160 --> 00:04:32,880 Speaker 1: the whole moment starts now in. 108 00:04:32,839 --> 00:04:35,520 Speaker 2: The attitude of keeping things healthy, let's start talking about 109 00:04:35,520 --> 00:04:36,840 Speaker 2: the Bachelorette. 110 00:04:37,440 --> 00:04:41,280 Speaker 1: Also, nothing healthier than that now. 111 00:04:41,600 --> 00:04:44,800 Speaker 3: Well, she was obviously a big Bachelor fan, having met 112 00:04:44,880 --> 00:04:46,920 Speaker 3: us all in individually before. 113 00:04:47,360 --> 00:04:50,720 Speaker 1: Oh yeah, she, like many girls in this country, watched 114 00:04:51,040 --> 00:04:54,120 Speaker 1: I'm sure her fair amount growing up. Yeah, and she 115 00:04:54,400 --> 00:04:56,839 Speaker 1: watched my season, Ben, she watched her season, Ashley, she 116 00:04:56,880 --> 00:04:57,240 Speaker 1: watched you. 117 00:04:57,960 --> 00:05:01,080 Speaker 2: Yeah, there's a level to that. My wife has never 118 00:05:01,120 --> 00:05:04,479 Speaker 2: seen it. There's moments, very few where I'm like, ah, 119 00:05:04,520 --> 00:05:06,720 Speaker 2: it'd be fun to talk about some of this with her. 120 00:05:07,160 --> 00:05:10,400 Speaker 2: That's not exactly like a great thing for you know, 121 00:05:10,680 --> 00:05:14,160 Speaker 2: your spouse to have watched, But there are some moments 122 00:05:14,160 --> 00:05:15,760 Speaker 2: where I'm like, this could be a fun or maybe 123 00:05:15,760 --> 00:05:17,479 Speaker 2: we could sit down and watch it together, but just 124 00:05:17,520 --> 00:05:19,000 Speaker 2: not type her type of thing. 125 00:05:19,640 --> 00:05:19,880 Speaker 1: Yep. 126 00:05:20,279 --> 00:05:22,120 Speaker 2: And as a result, it's really not a part of 127 00:05:22,160 --> 00:05:25,359 Speaker 2: our relationship. Ever, we never talked about it, which I 128 00:05:25,400 --> 00:05:27,360 Speaker 2: also like, there's benefits to that too. 129 00:05:29,360 --> 00:05:31,080 Speaker 1: She does still watch Golden Basher, I'll tell you that. 130 00:05:31,720 --> 00:05:33,279 Speaker 3: Yeah, oh Golden Yeah, big. 131 00:05:33,320 --> 00:05:36,719 Speaker 1: Yeah, Georgia, I haven't watched any of it, but she's 132 00:05:36,760 --> 00:05:37,240 Speaker 1: still a fan. 133 00:05:37,760 --> 00:05:40,680 Speaker 2: Well, we're gonna dive in. The infamous episodes are all 134 00:05:40,800 --> 00:05:44,880 Speaker 2: about kind of uncovering what is or what was behind 135 00:05:44,920 --> 00:05:48,400 Speaker 2: the scenes that maybe we didn't see, that maybe it 136 00:05:48,440 --> 00:05:51,680 Speaker 2: was portrayed in a way that it really didn't happen, 137 00:05:51,920 --> 00:05:54,760 Speaker 2: or maybe it did, and you just bring light to 138 00:05:54,800 --> 00:05:56,840 Speaker 2: a situation and saying, yeah, this is exactly how I 139 00:05:56,880 --> 00:05:58,599 Speaker 2: went down when I watched it back it was this 140 00:05:59,200 --> 00:06:00,880 Speaker 2: but before we die, been to your time on the 141 00:06:00,920 --> 00:06:03,480 Speaker 2: Bachelor app which is always fun. We have had some 142 00:06:03,480 --> 00:06:08,040 Speaker 2: great interviews. There was one other public relationship that we 143 00:06:08,160 --> 00:06:10,240 Speaker 2: have to get cleared up that our fans have written 144 00:06:10,240 --> 00:06:12,480 Speaker 2: in and asked about. The NICKI I think her name 145 00:06:12,520 --> 00:06:13,440 Speaker 2: is what Nicky or Bella? 146 00:06:14,000 --> 00:06:14,640 Speaker 1: Nicky Bella? 147 00:06:14,720 --> 00:06:17,520 Speaker 2: Yeah, was that ever really TV thing? 148 00:06:17,640 --> 00:06:22,560 Speaker 1: No, they reached out to me through They may have 149 00:06:22,600 --> 00:06:27,320 Speaker 1: even been amy, to be honest, I feel like our producer. Yeah, 150 00:06:27,360 --> 00:06:28,960 Speaker 1: I think it was like connections and connections. I don't 151 00:06:29,000 --> 00:06:32,280 Speaker 1: remember what it was, but they said there's a show 152 00:06:32,360 --> 00:06:34,960 Speaker 1: called Toto Bella's They would love for you to come 153 00:06:35,000 --> 00:06:36,760 Speaker 1: on and go on a date with Nikki, would you 154 00:06:37,040 --> 00:06:40,799 Speaker 1: be up for And I said, hell yeah, Like she's gorgeous, 155 00:06:40,920 --> 00:06:44,800 Speaker 1: she's hard working, and she's intelligent. Like this is absolutely 156 00:06:44,839 --> 00:06:46,360 Speaker 1: someone i'd go on a date with, even outside of 157 00:06:46,400 --> 00:06:50,719 Speaker 1: the show. So why not. We went on one date, date 158 00:06:50,760 --> 00:06:53,480 Speaker 1: went well. A week or two later, I sent her 159 00:06:53,640 --> 00:06:56,800 Speaker 1: flowers and this special candy that she had talked about 160 00:06:56,880 --> 00:06:59,520 Speaker 1: during our date, and we chatted back forth a little bit, 161 00:06:59,560 --> 00:07:02,240 Speaker 1: but nothing ever came of it. I guess that was 162 00:07:02,240 --> 00:07:05,080 Speaker 1: the end of that. Literally nothing more than that, which 163 00:07:05,080 --> 00:07:06,560 Speaker 1: I was more exciting for you guys, But that was. 164 00:07:06,800 --> 00:07:09,280 Speaker 2: Not kind of exciting. I mean, you got dumped. 165 00:07:09,400 --> 00:07:12,040 Speaker 3: That's romantic, I think. 166 00:07:12,120 --> 00:07:14,400 Speaker 2: I say it's romantic. You say he is tough. 167 00:07:15,880 --> 00:07:17,840 Speaker 1: It was great, Like it didn't suck by any means. 168 00:07:17,840 --> 00:07:20,360 Speaker 1: It's a great date. It was fun. I guess a 169 00:07:20,400 --> 00:07:22,000 Speaker 1: week or two of interaction and that was it. 170 00:07:22,680 --> 00:07:25,200 Speaker 3: Well we can dive into that, but we have other 171 00:07:25,280 --> 00:07:30,600 Speaker 3: things to talk about, like you know, Rachel Lindsay, all right, 172 00:07:30,680 --> 00:07:34,240 Speaker 3: so your big thing on the show was that you 173 00:07:34,320 --> 00:07:37,480 Speaker 3: weren't going to propose at the end, especially We're like, 174 00:07:37,640 --> 00:07:40,480 Speaker 3: I'm not going to propose to you, Rachel, like, I 175 00:07:40,520 --> 00:07:45,040 Speaker 3: would love to be with you, but this is just ridiculous. 176 00:07:45,080 --> 00:07:45,920 Speaker 3: We've known each other. 177 00:07:45,800 --> 00:07:46,920 Speaker 2: For eight weeks. 178 00:07:47,320 --> 00:07:49,680 Speaker 3: Was it before the show or during the show that 179 00:07:49,760 --> 00:07:52,280 Speaker 3: you decided that a proposal at the end of it 180 00:07:52,320 --> 00:07:53,160 Speaker 3: wasn't going to be for you. 181 00:07:54,000 --> 00:07:56,040 Speaker 1: The last conversation I have with friends before I went 182 00:07:56,080 --> 00:07:58,160 Speaker 1: on the show was I'd see you guys in two weeks. 183 00:07:58,720 --> 00:08:00,720 Speaker 1: The thought of proposal was and even ever in my 184 00:08:00,800 --> 00:08:03,119 Speaker 1: mind going onto the show, I looked at it as 185 00:08:03,640 --> 00:08:07,080 Speaker 1: this is a great fun, exciting and different, unique opportunity 186 00:08:07,120 --> 00:08:09,440 Speaker 1: that very few people get, and I'm single, and I 187 00:08:09,440 --> 00:08:11,800 Speaker 1: could potentially find love in the process. Hell yeah, let's 188 00:08:11,880 --> 00:08:14,480 Speaker 1: do it. Like it was just a fun experience, and 189 00:08:14,480 --> 00:08:16,280 Speaker 1: when it started to get serious, like oh, this is 190 00:08:16,320 --> 00:08:21,440 Speaker 1: actually potentially going to like the long haul, engagement became 191 00:08:21,480 --> 00:08:23,280 Speaker 1: more of a conversation as like, Okay, this needs to 192 00:08:23,320 --> 00:08:28,480 Speaker 1: be taken more seriously. And she and I started having 193 00:08:28,480 --> 00:08:32,319 Speaker 1: conversations pretty early on about like this does and an engagement, 194 00:08:32,320 --> 00:08:33,560 Speaker 1: But I don't want to think that was to like 195 00:08:34,080 --> 00:08:35,760 Speaker 1: at least a third of the way through it, maybe 196 00:08:35,760 --> 00:08:38,280 Speaker 1: half of the way through it. And as much as 197 00:08:38,280 --> 00:08:41,000 Speaker 1: I was falling for her. In those moments, I knew 198 00:08:41,040 --> 00:08:44,679 Speaker 1: that it wasn't enough real life experience to say, Okay, 199 00:08:44,679 --> 00:08:47,400 Speaker 1: I can definitively commit the rest of my life to 200 00:08:47,440 --> 00:08:50,120 Speaker 1: this person. It seemed like on my side of things 201 00:08:50,160 --> 00:08:52,000 Speaker 1: like that just kind of made sense. If I'm going 202 00:08:52,080 --> 00:08:54,520 Speaker 1: to be with someone for the rest of my life, 203 00:08:54,520 --> 00:08:56,400 Speaker 1: I want to know what they're like in more scenarios 204 00:08:56,480 --> 00:08:59,360 Speaker 1: in real life. And so we started having more and 205 00:08:59,360 --> 00:09:02,719 Speaker 1: more conversations about it, and then it wasn't until I 206 00:09:02,760 --> 00:09:04,360 Speaker 1: think the last few weeks of the show that I 207 00:09:04,400 --> 00:09:06,360 Speaker 1: was like, this is just not going to end in 208 00:09:07,000 --> 00:09:09,520 Speaker 1: engagement for me. It's not that it wasn't ever an option, 209 00:09:09,559 --> 00:09:11,880 Speaker 1: it's just now I really know at this point, only 210 00:09:11,920 --> 00:09:14,520 Speaker 1: having a couple weeks left, like the next date after 211 00:09:14,520 --> 00:09:19,120 Speaker 1: our biggest conversation about it was the engagement ceremony. Like Jesus, 212 00:09:19,120 --> 00:09:21,160 Speaker 1: we're just having the biggest conversation about it now, and 213 00:09:21,160 --> 00:09:23,840 Speaker 1: I'm supposed to get engaged to you next. This is 214 00:09:25,559 --> 00:09:29,320 Speaker 1: this is not a legitimate possibility for me at this time. 215 00:09:29,840 --> 00:09:33,079 Speaker 2: Let's sit in this moment then for a second. I'm sure, 216 00:09:34,960 --> 00:09:37,480 Speaker 2: knowing you, you were not easy to be produced, which 217 00:09:37,520 --> 00:09:39,360 Speaker 2: I think is a credit to you. I actually say 218 00:09:39,360 --> 00:09:42,400 Speaker 2: that in a complimentary way. I think both sides. Doesn't 219 00:09:42,400 --> 00:09:45,080 Speaker 2: say that about me. I definitely don't say that about Ashley. 220 00:09:45,160 --> 00:09:49,400 Speaker 2: She is so easy to get produced. But I think 221 00:09:49,400 --> 00:09:52,040 Speaker 2: there's good to both. Like one is a trusting person 222 00:09:52,120 --> 00:09:54,840 Speaker 2: like Ashley who says, hey, like I believe you have 223 00:09:54,880 --> 00:09:56,760 Speaker 2: my best interests in mind, I don't want to believe 224 00:09:56,920 --> 00:09:59,440 Speaker 2: you don't, And as a result, I am going to 225 00:09:59,559 --> 00:10:03,160 Speaker 2: follow you your lead and kind of do whatever you 226 00:10:03,240 --> 00:10:05,880 Speaker 2: ask of me. And as a result, you have an Ashley, 227 00:10:05,960 --> 00:10:08,360 Speaker 2: which is an amazing human. I love her dearly, but 228 00:10:08,400 --> 00:10:10,280 Speaker 2: we also have you, I think, on the other side, 229 00:10:10,920 --> 00:10:12,880 Speaker 2: who says I'm not going to trust anything you say 230 00:10:12,880 --> 00:10:15,920 Speaker 2: to me. There is nothing you could input wisdom into 231 00:10:15,960 --> 00:10:18,839 Speaker 2: me at this time that I would follow, And as 232 00:10:18,840 --> 00:10:22,640 Speaker 2: a result, I think I know best which is good 233 00:10:22,640 --> 00:10:24,880 Speaker 2: and bad, and this is how I'm going to communicate it. 234 00:10:24,960 --> 00:10:27,920 Speaker 2: So if you can give the fans kind of underneath 235 00:10:28,280 --> 00:10:31,479 Speaker 2: the hood of in those moments leading up to that conversation, 236 00:10:31,679 --> 00:10:33,600 Speaker 2: I'm sure you told somebody, hey, I'm not going to 237 00:10:33,600 --> 00:10:35,959 Speaker 2: get engaged at the end of this, and they probably 238 00:10:36,040 --> 00:10:39,400 Speaker 2: panicked or maybe they didn't, but explain it to us. 239 00:10:40,040 --> 00:10:44,040 Speaker 1: Yeah, where should I start. First place I start was 240 00:10:44,800 --> 00:10:48,600 Speaker 1: early early on in the show, like our very first week, 241 00:10:48,679 --> 00:10:52,240 Speaker 1: I want to say. I was having conversations pretty regularly 242 00:10:52,280 --> 00:10:55,600 Speaker 1: with producers, as you guys know you would do throughout 243 00:10:55,640 --> 00:10:58,760 Speaker 1: the entirety of the show, and during just like a 244 00:10:58,800 --> 00:11:01,440 Speaker 1: normal conversation with one of them I won't say who 245 00:11:01,520 --> 00:11:06,680 Speaker 1: it was, I brought up some pretty important and personal 246 00:11:06,720 --> 00:11:11,719 Speaker 1: stuff about my family and had all the trust in 247 00:11:11,760 --> 00:11:14,920 Speaker 1: the world of these people. I thought, Okay, this is 248 00:11:14,960 --> 00:11:19,640 Speaker 1: a good person. We can communicate and my thoughts are 249 00:11:19,679 --> 00:11:22,960 Speaker 1: safe with this person. And then like two three days later, 250 00:11:23,800 --> 00:11:26,000 Speaker 1: we were in one of the confessionals whatever we call it, 251 00:11:26,720 --> 00:11:32,400 Speaker 1: and while on camera, she brought it up and wanted 252 00:11:32,440 --> 00:11:36,840 Speaker 1: to get an answer relating to it, or just like 253 00:11:36,880 --> 00:11:38,880 Speaker 1: a sound bite relating to it, and I just paused 254 00:11:38,920 --> 00:11:41,320 Speaker 1: for a second, was like, oh, this is not what 255 00:11:41,400 --> 00:11:45,319 Speaker 1: I thought it was. This is a scheme to get 256 00:11:45,320 --> 00:11:48,080 Speaker 1: me to say something that can be used for the 257 00:11:48,080 --> 00:11:51,480 Speaker 1: betterment of those behind the camera. And that's when the 258 00:11:51,520 --> 00:11:53,280 Speaker 1: whole script flipped for me. It was like, Okay, this 259 00:11:53,400 --> 00:11:57,760 Speaker 1: is now serious. I have to be intentional about what 260 00:11:57,800 --> 00:12:00,520 Speaker 1: I say and do. I can still try very best 261 00:12:00,559 --> 00:12:02,360 Speaker 1: to be myself in this situation. But at the end 262 00:12:02,360 --> 00:12:04,920 Speaker 1: of the day, they have a product that they're trying 263 00:12:04,920 --> 00:12:07,000 Speaker 1: to produce, and that product is built off of a 264 00:12:07,040 --> 00:12:12,160 Speaker 1: certain scenario or result that they choose to have, and 265 00:12:12,240 --> 00:12:15,880 Speaker 1: I am nothing but a pawn in that scheme. So 266 00:12:17,280 --> 00:12:20,319 Speaker 1: be myself but be guarded. That's what it kind of 267 00:12:20,360 --> 00:12:22,320 Speaker 1: came down to. And I found that more and more 268 00:12:22,360 --> 00:12:22,880 Speaker 1: throughout time. 269 00:12:23,200 --> 00:12:25,000 Speaker 3: Did you call that producer out in the moment or 270 00:12:25,040 --> 00:12:26,480 Speaker 3: do you just keep that internal? 271 00:12:26,600 --> 00:12:26,640 Speaker 2: No? 272 00:12:27,280 --> 00:12:31,840 Speaker 1: No, no need to, Like, why show your cards? If 273 00:12:31,880 --> 00:12:34,240 Speaker 1: I know what they're doing, They're they're just going to 274 00:12:34,280 --> 00:12:36,080 Speaker 1: find other ways to manipulate played dumb when you have 275 00:12:36,120 --> 00:12:38,920 Speaker 1: to or else they just try to become smarter in 276 00:12:38,960 --> 00:12:41,480 Speaker 1: that situation. So let them. Let them do what they 277 00:12:41,480 --> 00:12:43,440 Speaker 1: had to do. And I just went about my way 278 00:12:44,520 --> 00:12:46,720 Speaker 1: trying to engage my relationship more and more with Rachel 279 00:12:47,880 --> 00:12:50,880 Speaker 1: without giving the soundbites that they needed for the show 280 00:12:50,920 --> 00:12:51,720 Speaker 1: to carry on. 281 00:12:52,120 --> 00:12:55,360 Speaker 2: It's an exhausting and being in it, that's it. I mean, 282 00:12:55,400 --> 00:12:58,520 Speaker 2: I've been in that mindset on the show before. It's 283 00:12:58,559 --> 00:13:02,240 Speaker 2: a really tiring mindset because your whole life is being 284 00:13:02,679 --> 00:13:06,440 Speaker 2: filmed and you're always thinking, like if I say this 285 00:13:06,600 --> 00:13:09,120 Speaker 2: one sentence, it could be used against me, and so 286 00:13:09,200 --> 00:13:12,800 Speaker 2: I'm always on guard. It makes it a lot less fun. 287 00:13:12,840 --> 00:13:14,720 Speaker 2: I always say, if I had to do the show again, 288 00:13:14,760 --> 00:13:17,480 Speaker 2: I'd have more fun. I had very little fun during 289 00:13:17,520 --> 00:13:20,439 Speaker 2: the experience on both seasons because I was always so guarded. 290 00:13:21,280 --> 00:13:23,440 Speaker 2: Are you saying then, that, as you went into this 291 00:13:23,559 --> 00:13:26,960 Speaker 2: huge conversation with Rachel about where your relationship was going 292 00:13:27,000 --> 00:13:31,680 Speaker 2: to go, engagement or no engagement, dating, not dating, did 293 00:13:31,800 --> 00:13:34,600 Speaker 2: any producer have any idea that you were about to 294 00:13:34,640 --> 00:13:35,520 Speaker 2: say what you said? 295 00:13:36,320 --> 00:13:38,920 Speaker 1: Well, I mean there's all sorts of different tactics used 296 00:13:38,920 --> 00:13:45,000 Speaker 1: throughout to get a result. And another producer, again I 297 00:13:45,000 --> 00:13:47,760 Speaker 1: won't say a name, but a very high up producer 298 00:13:47,800 --> 00:13:50,280 Speaker 1: in the show multiple times told me that I was 299 00:13:50,280 --> 00:13:51,760 Speaker 1: in love, Like you're in love, You're in love, Just 300 00:13:51,800 --> 00:13:53,360 Speaker 1: admit that you're in love, Peter, You're in love. Come 301 00:13:53,400 --> 00:13:56,280 Speaker 1: on to say it, like trying so hard to just 302 00:13:56,400 --> 00:13:58,200 Speaker 1: coax me into saying something that at that time I 303 00:13:58,200 --> 00:14:00,959 Speaker 1: didn't yet believe. And it's like, if you just want 304 00:14:01,000 --> 00:14:03,320 Speaker 1: that result, what's the point. I'm not going to say it. 305 00:14:04,040 --> 00:14:05,800 Speaker 1: So when time's right, I'll say it. And then once 306 00:14:05,880 --> 00:14:07,199 Speaker 1: it finally did come out of my mouth, because I 307 00:14:07,240 --> 00:14:10,640 Speaker 1: actually started to feel it for her. The script basically 308 00:14:10,679 --> 00:14:12,280 Speaker 1: changed on their side of things. They must have decided 309 00:14:12,280 --> 00:14:14,280 Speaker 1: at that point, like, oh, we need to actually stick 310 00:14:14,360 --> 00:14:17,880 Speaker 1: with this different scenario. So now we're going to start 311 00:14:17,920 --> 00:14:20,280 Speaker 1: to tell you say, you know, stick to your guns. 312 00:14:20,280 --> 00:14:22,600 Speaker 1: You don't have to get engaged yet. So then also 313 00:14:22,720 --> 00:14:25,080 Speaker 1: I started to hear those echoes through the chambers of 314 00:14:25,520 --> 00:14:27,040 Speaker 1: just stick to your guns. You don't have to get 315 00:14:27,040 --> 00:14:29,280 Speaker 1: engaged if you're not ready for it yet, Like you're 316 00:14:29,320 --> 00:14:31,960 Speaker 1: being true to yourself, be true to yourself. It was 317 00:14:31,960 --> 00:14:36,120 Speaker 1: the most manipulative experience on that side of things, and 318 00:14:36,560 --> 00:14:38,040 Speaker 1: that all was fine. I kind of got used to 319 00:14:38,120 --> 00:14:40,160 Speaker 1: what that was and was able to just internalize it 320 00:14:40,160 --> 00:14:44,080 Speaker 1: all myself. But then the hardest part was they had 321 00:14:44,080 --> 00:14:47,720 Speaker 1: a therapist on staff who was almost parroting what their 322 00:14:47,760 --> 00:14:50,680 Speaker 1: messages were. So that's where I actually found the most 323 00:14:51,720 --> 00:14:55,480 Speaker 1: discomfort in the whole thing. Was a person that I 324 00:14:55,520 --> 00:15:01,080 Speaker 1: was coming to for like a safe space started to 325 00:15:01,120 --> 00:15:03,560 Speaker 1: become just another part of the process. 326 00:15:04,360 --> 00:15:05,320 Speaker 2: It feels a little Truman. 327 00:15:05,320 --> 00:15:07,720 Speaker 1: She oh, yeah, very much so, and she started getting 328 00:15:07,720 --> 00:15:10,320 Speaker 1: me like insights how Rachel was feeling. I'm like, you 329 00:15:10,840 --> 00:15:13,360 Speaker 1: can't do that. That doesn't seem appropriate. I thought this 330 00:15:13,440 --> 00:15:15,360 Speaker 1: was like a safe space. What are you giving to 331 00:15:15,400 --> 00:15:19,000 Speaker 1: those that I've said? So overall, the whole thing was 332 00:15:19,040 --> 00:15:24,680 Speaker 1: pretty uh, for lack of a better term, growth in that way. 333 00:15:25,840 --> 00:15:29,080 Speaker 1: But all that aside, like the situation with Rachel and 334 00:15:29,080 --> 00:15:33,320 Speaker 1: the relationship I was developing with Rachel was always a 335 00:15:33,360 --> 00:15:35,800 Speaker 1: really great experience, Like she and I had a lot 336 00:15:35,840 --> 00:15:42,040 Speaker 1: of connection, a lot of fun together, just yet overall 337 00:15:42,120 --> 00:15:44,320 Speaker 1: enjoyment of each other's company. It was very easy to 338 00:15:44,360 --> 00:15:48,200 Speaker 1: be with her. It wasn't until like the end of 339 00:15:48,200 --> 00:15:51,600 Speaker 1: the show really started to be in the focal point 340 00:15:51,600 --> 00:15:53,960 Speaker 1: of like, Okay, this is this is actually happening, Like 341 00:15:53,960 --> 00:15:57,880 Speaker 1: we're actually moving into marriage is the next step, Engagement 342 00:15:57,920 --> 00:15:59,400 Speaker 1: is the next step. Even upon meeting the family, it 343 00:15:59,480 --> 00:16:04,560 Speaker 1: all still so seemed so light and fun for the 344 00:16:04,600 --> 00:16:07,840 Speaker 1: most part. But then I was like, Okay, yeah, you're 345 00:16:07,840 --> 00:16:11,080 Speaker 1: getting engaged in like four or five days, I want 346 00:16:11,080 --> 00:16:12,560 Speaker 1: to say, at that point a week. 347 00:16:13,080 --> 00:16:29,080 Speaker 3: Yeah, people like remember this moment, the moment that you 348 00:16:29,160 --> 00:16:33,040 Speaker 3: and Rachel had your big argument at the end, because 349 00:16:33,600 --> 00:16:38,320 Speaker 3: from what we saw, it really seemed like you were 350 00:16:38,320 --> 00:16:42,560 Speaker 3: the one that she wanted. But at the same time, 351 00:16:43,160 --> 00:16:46,160 Speaker 3: she seemed to be putting again. The way that they 352 00:16:46,280 --> 00:16:51,960 Speaker 3: edited it made it seem like she apparently wanted the 353 00:16:52,040 --> 00:16:57,800 Speaker 3: engagement more than true love, and you even said, Okay, fine, 354 00:16:57,880 --> 00:17:02,320 Speaker 3: go have a mediocre life. When you look back at 355 00:17:02,360 --> 00:17:06,640 Speaker 3: this moment, what's your interpretation of it all? What really 356 00:17:06,760 --> 00:17:10,119 Speaker 3: happened and how was it different than what we saw. 357 00:17:10,680 --> 00:17:12,800 Speaker 1: I think the entire show needs to be put in 358 00:17:12,800 --> 00:17:15,880 Speaker 1: context first, and that is it is not a real 359 00:17:15,880 --> 00:17:21,160 Speaker 1: life situation to start, so to expect real life responses 360 00:17:22,240 --> 00:17:25,960 Speaker 1: is impossible. The way that we handle ourselves in the situation, 361 00:17:26,040 --> 00:17:27,240 Speaker 1: I think was the best we could do in the 362 00:17:27,280 --> 00:17:32,160 Speaker 1: moment that we were in. The emotions were high. We 363 00:17:32,160 --> 00:17:38,480 Speaker 1: were isolated with only connection to people within the show. 364 00:17:39,880 --> 00:17:41,840 Speaker 1: We had no family to really draw upon, our friends 365 00:17:41,840 --> 00:17:45,080 Speaker 1: to draw upon. There was a lot of stress. She 366 00:17:45,160 --> 00:17:47,119 Speaker 1: was the first ever black bachelorett. The amount of stress 367 00:17:47,160 --> 00:17:50,680 Speaker 1: alone from that, I can't imagine how challenging the entire 368 00:17:50,720 --> 00:17:53,240 Speaker 1: situation was. Then, to think that this could end without 369 00:17:53,240 --> 00:17:57,480 Speaker 1: an engagement, where the show is so dependent on the 370 00:17:57,520 --> 00:18:00,000 Speaker 1: engagement being the end result, I can't imagine how much 371 00:18:00,160 --> 00:18:03,320 Speaker 1: stress it felt. So I'm sure it was extremely challenging 372 00:18:03,359 --> 00:18:09,200 Speaker 1: for her. For myself, it was. I didn't want to 373 00:18:09,280 --> 00:18:12,160 Speaker 1: hurt her. I genuinely wanted to see where the rate 374 00:18:12,400 --> 00:18:19,760 Speaker 1: or the relationship went, and seeing her as heartbroken as 375 00:18:19,760 --> 00:18:23,200 Speaker 1: she seemed at the time was extremely challenging. So I 376 00:18:23,240 --> 00:18:24,639 Speaker 1: also wanted to make her happy, and so at the 377 00:18:24,720 --> 00:18:27,040 Speaker 1: very end I even said like fine, like let's just 378 00:18:27,160 --> 00:18:28,960 Speaker 1: let's get engaged, Like, if that's what you need, I'll 379 00:18:28,960 --> 00:18:32,320 Speaker 1: do it. That was like the final fifteen minutes or 380 00:18:32,320 --> 00:18:35,520 Speaker 1: so of the conversation, I want to say, and then 381 00:18:36,080 --> 00:18:38,560 Speaker 1: she always said no, Like that just felt like it 382 00:18:38,600 --> 00:18:43,040 Speaker 1: was like a secondhand thought at that point, and it 383 00:18:43,119 --> 00:18:45,560 Speaker 1: kind of ruined the whole situation, which obviously I wouldn't 384 00:18:45,560 --> 00:18:52,560 Speaker 1: want to get engaged in that I guess scenario either. Yeah. Yeah, 385 00:18:52,600 --> 00:18:56,480 Speaker 1: but this is tough for me to talk about right now. 386 00:18:56,480 --> 00:18:57,840 Speaker 1: I haven't talked about this in a very long time. 387 00:18:57,840 --> 00:19:01,679 Speaker 1: I guess. I'm so sorry. No, that's all right, it's 388 00:19:01,720 --> 00:19:05,040 Speaker 1: probably good to bring it up. The situation itself was 389 00:19:05,080 --> 00:19:06,800 Speaker 1: just hard like that. I don't think there's any right 390 00:19:06,880 --> 00:19:09,200 Speaker 1: or wrong to it. What I said in that moment 391 00:19:09,480 --> 00:19:14,600 Speaker 1: was very hurtful and inappropriate, and I wish I hadn't 392 00:19:14,640 --> 00:19:16,119 Speaker 1: said it, but I did. So I have to own it, 393 00:19:16,160 --> 00:19:19,679 Speaker 1: like I did say those words, which I won't even 394 00:19:19,720 --> 00:19:23,000 Speaker 1: repeat because I think they're really gross, and I tried 395 00:19:23,000 --> 00:19:24,680 Speaker 1: to apologize for it, but that only means so much 396 00:19:24,680 --> 00:19:26,880 Speaker 1: when it's in front of millions of people and you're 397 00:19:26,920 --> 00:19:33,240 Speaker 1: already hurt and feeling betrayed. I'm sure by someone who 398 00:19:33,240 --> 00:19:34,040 Speaker 1: could say that to you. 399 00:19:34,400 --> 00:19:36,879 Speaker 2: Let me dive in here, because for clarity's sake, you 400 00:19:36,920 --> 00:19:40,000 Speaker 2: can go any the direction. When you said those words, 401 00:19:40,560 --> 00:19:45,200 Speaker 2: I'm assuming you're referencing a statement about what life could 402 00:19:45,200 --> 00:19:48,800 Speaker 2: look like afterwards. Were you meaning that directly towards Brian 403 00:19:49,240 --> 00:19:51,800 Speaker 2: or just in general, like, hey, you and I could 404 00:19:51,800 --> 00:19:55,720 Speaker 2: have something great and the other option here. I don't 405 00:19:55,720 --> 00:19:56,960 Speaker 2: know if it's going to go the way you want 406 00:19:57,000 --> 00:19:57,199 Speaker 2: it to. 407 00:19:57,760 --> 00:20:00,439 Speaker 1: I think I felt that I knew in that moment 408 00:20:01,400 --> 00:20:05,000 Speaker 1: that I could provide a very healthy, happier relationship with 409 00:20:05,040 --> 00:20:08,359 Speaker 1: this person. And whether that was true or not, I 410 00:20:08,400 --> 00:20:10,800 Speaker 1: can't tell you, but in that moment, it's what I felt, 411 00:20:11,600 --> 00:20:14,439 Speaker 1: and the relationship that I had built with her to 412 00:20:14,480 --> 00:20:16,280 Speaker 1: that point seemed like it would be a lot of 413 00:20:16,320 --> 00:20:20,640 Speaker 1: fun to be in after that time, and I knew 414 00:20:20,640 --> 00:20:23,680 Speaker 1: Brian for just what I knew of him within that show, 415 00:20:23,800 --> 00:20:25,800 Speaker 1: and during that time I knew he wasn't a person 416 00:20:25,840 --> 00:20:29,560 Speaker 1: that I enjoyed spending time with. Personally. There's nothing against him, 417 00:20:29,720 --> 00:20:30,879 Speaker 1: just he wasn't the type of guy I wanted to 418 00:20:30,920 --> 00:20:36,520 Speaker 1: hang out with. So I just said exactly I was 419 00:20:36,520 --> 00:20:39,959 Speaker 1: feeling in that moment, which was, I think you're going 420 00:20:40,040 --> 00:20:43,240 Speaker 1: to be in a very different life with this person 421 00:20:43,240 --> 00:20:48,520 Speaker 1: than you will be with me. And if that means mediocre, 422 00:20:48,640 --> 00:20:51,280 Speaker 1: then that means mediocre to me in that moment. Probably 423 00:20:51,320 --> 00:20:53,840 Speaker 1: not the choice words I would use now, but I 424 00:20:53,880 --> 00:20:54,600 Speaker 1: did at that time. 425 00:20:55,760 --> 00:20:57,879 Speaker 3: This is an awkward question, and I'm so sorry that 426 00:20:57,920 --> 00:21:01,320 Speaker 3: I must ask it, But when they announced that they 427 00:21:01,359 --> 00:21:06,280 Speaker 3: were getting divorced, did part of you think I knew 428 00:21:06,280 --> 00:21:07,520 Speaker 3: that one wasn't going to last. 429 00:21:08,000 --> 00:21:11,359 Speaker 1: No, actually the exact opposite. I was surprised, but I 430 00:21:11,359 --> 00:21:12,600 Speaker 1: figured if they were able to make it through all 431 00:21:12,680 --> 00:21:14,919 Speaker 1: that hardship that they experienced after the show, because it 432 00:21:14,920 --> 00:21:17,040 Speaker 1: seemed like so many people turned on them and there 433 00:21:17,119 --> 00:21:21,320 Speaker 1: was so much dramatization of the downfall the relationship prior 434 00:21:21,400 --> 00:21:25,879 Speaker 1: to it, even not you succeeding, I figured, if they 435 00:21:25,920 --> 00:21:27,399 Speaker 1: can make through that, they can make it through anything. 436 00:21:29,440 --> 00:21:31,680 Speaker 1: So I was very surprised when I saw that happen, 437 00:21:31,680 --> 00:21:33,040 Speaker 1: and I was very sad by the fact that so 438 00:21:33,040 --> 00:21:35,760 Speaker 1: many people were championing the fact that it did happen. 439 00:21:36,359 --> 00:21:39,880 Speaker 1: I think it was disgusting. I think people have enough 440 00:21:40,400 --> 00:21:42,440 Speaker 1: challenge in life that they don't need everybody else jumping 441 00:21:42,520 --> 00:21:45,880 Speaker 1: on them when they falter, and so that was sad 442 00:21:45,880 --> 00:21:46,320 Speaker 1: to see. 443 00:21:47,000 --> 00:21:49,560 Speaker 2: It's been eight years. As you said, I remember the conversation, 444 00:21:49,600 --> 00:21:51,600 Speaker 2: I remember the moment. I remember a lot of that season, 445 00:21:52,119 --> 00:21:54,280 Speaker 2: and I remember this being one of the moments that 446 00:21:54,359 --> 00:21:58,280 Speaker 2: you feel as a viewer, like you feel it. I 447 00:21:58,280 --> 00:22:00,360 Speaker 2: think it's one of the last moments. There's a bit few, 448 00:22:00,400 --> 00:22:01,920 Speaker 2: but one of the last moments where I remember sitting 449 00:22:01,920 --> 00:22:04,199 Speaker 2: on the couch being like, I am in this conversation 450 00:22:04,359 --> 00:22:08,000 Speaker 2: with them on the couch and I'm feeling both directions 451 00:22:09,480 --> 00:22:14,119 Speaker 2: remind us the audience's response, because I think twenty twenty, 452 00:22:14,359 --> 00:22:19,320 Speaker 2: you know, hindsight is us saying this your mindset made sense, 453 00:22:19,800 --> 00:22:22,040 Speaker 2: like how were you going to get engaged? And if 454 00:22:22,040 --> 00:22:23,399 Speaker 2: you weren't okay with that, but you still in a 455 00:22:23,480 --> 00:22:25,560 Speaker 2: day like that makes sense for the show in the format. 456 00:22:26,720 --> 00:22:30,920 Speaker 2: But I'm sure viewership wanted an engagement, and I'm sure 457 00:22:30,960 --> 00:22:38,000 Speaker 2: the responses were probably not outrageously supportive towards you, or 458 00:22:38,040 --> 00:22:39,800 Speaker 2: maybe they were. I don't remember. 459 00:22:40,280 --> 00:22:43,720 Speaker 1: I think we create our own uh. I don't know 460 00:22:43,760 --> 00:22:46,280 Speaker 1: if it's an echo chamber, but you know, it's my 461 00:22:46,359 --> 00:22:49,600 Speaker 1: social media. No one else sees it but me, So 462 00:22:49,640 --> 00:22:52,200 Speaker 1: I see all the responses that are on it, and 463 00:22:52,280 --> 00:22:54,960 Speaker 1: even on the show, producers would say, don't look at 464 00:22:54,960 --> 00:22:57,280 Speaker 1: the good or the bad. Neither one of them is beneficial. 465 00:22:58,000 --> 00:22:59,840 Speaker 1: And it's hard not to when you're getting blown up 466 00:22:59,840 --> 00:23:03,439 Speaker 1: by thousands of comments and likes and things like that. 467 00:23:03,520 --> 00:23:05,560 Speaker 1: And it's also cool to see. I mean for anybody, 468 00:23:05,560 --> 00:23:07,639 Speaker 1: I think if all of a sudden you gained one 469 00:23:07,680 --> 00:23:10,840 Speaker 1: hundred thousand followers, you'd be very curious what is happening 470 00:23:10,880 --> 00:23:12,760 Speaker 1: in the situation? Who are these people? What do they want? 471 00:23:13,280 --> 00:23:14,840 Speaker 1: And so I saw all the good, and I saw 472 00:23:14,880 --> 00:23:18,200 Speaker 1: all the bad and all the negative comments, and I 473 00:23:18,280 --> 00:23:21,720 Speaker 1: would say it was hindsight twenty twenty, realizing that it 474 00:23:21,760 --> 00:23:24,280 Speaker 1: was a lot more good than bad. But the bad 475 00:23:24,320 --> 00:23:26,720 Speaker 1: voices seemed to ring a lot louder, and so a 476 00:23:26,760 --> 00:23:30,200 Speaker 1: lot of people that were saying negative comments were much 477 00:23:30,280 --> 00:23:34,200 Speaker 1: more adamant in getting their point across. It was read 478 00:23:34,200 --> 00:23:40,600 Speaker 1: it became the worst place in human creation in my opinion, 479 00:23:41,040 --> 00:23:43,560 Speaker 1: people that just like all of a sudden, I would 480 00:23:43,560 --> 00:23:45,679 Speaker 1: get an influx of negativity and I'm like, where's this 481 00:23:45,720 --> 00:23:48,000 Speaker 1: coming from? And then someone would drop comment like Peter, 482 00:23:48,040 --> 00:23:49,680 Speaker 1: you're getting blown apart and read it, and so I'd 483 00:23:49,680 --> 00:23:52,600 Speaker 1: open up Reddit and sure there was this story about 484 00:23:52,640 --> 00:23:54,600 Speaker 1: my life that I had no clue about that was 485 00:23:54,640 --> 00:23:56,400 Speaker 1: going off, and everybody was just designing it to turn 486 00:23:56,480 --> 00:23:59,920 Speaker 1: that into this like it was like a wave of 487 00:24:00,160 --> 00:24:02,159 Speaker 1: hatred would come on my page and as soon as 488 00:24:02,200 --> 00:24:04,800 Speaker 1: it came on, it would be gone. And it's just 489 00:24:04,800 --> 00:24:06,960 Speaker 1: this wave back and forth, back and forth for like 490 00:24:07,000 --> 00:24:10,280 Speaker 1: four or five years. And so it all started with 491 00:24:12,119 --> 00:24:13,600 Speaker 1: oh my god. I mean, you know, at some point, 492 00:24:13,680 --> 00:24:16,080 Speaker 1: like halfway or two thirds of the way through the 493 00:24:16,119 --> 00:24:18,080 Speaker 1: show itself, when I started to realize like, oh, this 494 00:24:18,160 --> 00:24:20,160 Speaker 1: is going to be a roller coaster, like people are 495 00:24:20,160 --> 00:24:22,680 Speaker 1: going to come in and hate you for anything, and 496 00:24:23,160 --> 00:24:24,720 Speaker 1: that was all find and good. I eventually started to 497 00:24:24,760 --> 00:24:27,600 Speaker 1: find a way to just kind of move past it 498 00:24:27,800 --> 00:24:32,760 Speaker 1: or ignore it. But then I think when it really 499 00:24:32,800 --> 00:24:34,080 Speaker 1: got to like a point where I just didn't want 500 00:24:34,080 --> 00:24:37,000 Speaker 1: to deal with anymore, was when it started affecting my business, 501 00:24:37,280 --> 00:24:39,680 Speaker 1: Like people started commenting and leaving one stars and things 502 00:24:39,680 --> 00:24:42,000 Speaker 1: on my business and yeah, it's like, what is the 503 00:24:42,000 --> 00:24:44,080 Speaker 1: point of this. This is based off of the show 504 00:24:44,119 --> 00:24:48,280 Speaker 1: that has no place in reality, and you're affecting my 505 00:24:48,400 --> 00:24:51,000 Speaker 1: real life now, Like it was an experience for me. 506 00:24:51,000 --> 00:24:52,200 Speaker 1: It was a fun experience for me. I know I 507 00:24:52,200 --> 00:24:54,439 Speaker 1: didn't end in the way that many people wanted to, 508 00:24:54,480 --> 00:24:56,360 Speaker 1: But at the end of the day, everybody on here 509 00:24:56,400 --> 00:24:57,920 Speaker 1: is just a human trying to figure out their own 510 00:24:58,800 --> 00:25:00,680 Speaker 1: For you to come and attack someone because they didn't 511 00:25:00,680 --> 00:25:01,760 Speaker 1: do it in the way that you did, you would 512 00:25:01,800 --> 00:25:03,479 Speaker 1: never do that in real life, why are you doing 513 00:25:03,520 --> 00:25:06,320 Speaker 1: it here? So eventually I just turned it off. That 514 00:25:06,440 --> 00:25:06,720 Speaker 1: was it. 515 00:25:06,960 --> 00:25:09,200 Speaker 3: Well, So you mentioned that you've gotten comments on social 516 00:25:09,240 --> 00:25:11,520 Speaker 3: media ever four to five years after, and that is 517 00:25:11,560 --> 00:25:15,520 Speaker 3: because Peter, you stuck with people. People wanted you to 518 00:25:15,680 --> 00:25:20,639 Speaker 3: be the lead more than I think of anybody of 519 00:25:20,680 --> 00:25:23,159 Speaker 3: anybody that never became the lead. Like that's why I 520 00:25:23,200 --> 00:25:24,439 Speaker 3: said at the beginning of the show, like you were 521 00:25:24,480 --> 00:25:27,080 Speaker 3: the bachelor that just never was. You were the one 522 00:25:27,119 --> 00:25:31,919 Speaker 3: that caught away from the franchise. We know, we know 523 00:25:32,280 --> 00:25:35,199 Speaker 3: that they wanted you to be the lead, but it 524 00:25:35,280 --> 00:25:38,880 Speaker 3: was your decision not to be And I know that 525 00:25:38,960 --> 00:25:41,880 Speaker 3: some people say this. Lots of people like to be like, oh, 526 00:25:41,920 --> 00:25:44,000 Speaker 3: you know, God asked didn't want to do it, But 527 00:25:44,080 --> 00:25:46,480 Speaker 3: I never really believe those people. I do believe you. 528 00:25:47,280 --> 00:25:49,280 Speaker 1: All the conversations about it started while I was still 529 00:25:49,280 --> 00:25:52,320 Speaker 1: on the show in therapy. The therapist was the first 530 00:25:52,320 --> 00:25:54,399 Speaker 1: one who ever brought it up. So as we were 531 00:25:54,400 --> 00:25:56,679 Speaker 1: getting to the final couple weeks of the show, the 532 00:25:56,680 --> 00:25:58,280 Speaker 1: therapist on the show is the one who said, would 533 00:25:58,280 --> 00:26:02,640 Speaker 1: you think about being the Bachelor? And is this really 534 00:26:02,640 --> 00:26:04,560 Speaker 1: happening right now? Like, is this a conversation you're bringing 535 00:26:04,600 --> 00:26:07,600 Speaker 1: up in this situation. No, I guess I hadn't thought 536 00:26:07,640 --> 00:26:09,440 Speaker 1: about it, but something i'd have to think about should 537 00:26:09,440 --> 00:26:13,359 Speaker 1: this not work out. And then in our overnight Rachel 538 00:26:13,359 --> 00:26:16,120 Speaker 1: and I, she brought it up and I just had 539 00:26:16,119 --> 00:26:18,119 Speaker 1: this conversation with a therapist was like, is this like 540 00:26:18,160 --> 00:26:23,040 Speaker 1: a running thing? So I I don't know. I was 541 00:26:23,080 --> 00:26:24,639 Speaker 1: just like, I guess I'd have to think about it 542 00:26:24,640 --> 00:26:27,919 Speaker 1: if it came to be, and jokingly I was like, 543 00:26:28,000 --> 00:26:30,960 Speaker 1: they'd have paid me a lot of money part of 544 00:26:30,960 --> 00:26:34,919 Speaker 1: my language. But then it was right after it, so 545 00:26:34,960 --> 00:26:39,399 Speaker 1: we were in real Hot Spain when everything ended and 546 00:26:39,440 --> 00:26:42,240 Speaker 1: I was stuck there for a few days while they, 547 00:26:42,920 --> 00:26:46,520 Speaker 1: like Brian and Rachel went on like their honeymoon date basically, 548 00:26:47,400 --> 00:26:52,040 Speaker 1: and the producers approached me there in that space within 549 00:26:52,240 --> 00:26:54,159 Speaker 1: forty eight hours twenty four hours, I don't even know what. 550 00:26:54,200 --> 00:26:56,840 Speaker 1: It was at a coffee shop and they like, okay, 551 00:26:57,880 --> 00:27:01,040 Speaker 1: would you think about being the Bachelor? I'm like, what, 552 00:27:01,480 --> 00:27:04,480 Speaker 1: I just spent twelve hours laying on a floor crying 553 00:27:05,280 --> 00:27:07,720 Speaker 1: with my lead producer, Megan as she played the same 554 00:27:07,760 --> 00:27:11,479 Speaker 1: song thirty six times, and like you're asking me this now, 555 00:27:11,680 --> 00:27:14,520 Speaker 1: Like I don't know. Guys like, okay, let's just let's 556 00:27:14,520 --> 00:27:16,040 Speaker 1: sit on it, think about it. We'll see you when 557 00:27:16,080 --> 00:27:20,440 Speaker 1: you get back to the States. And then it started 558 00:27:20,440 --> 00:27:22,159 Speaker 1: pretty quickly when I got back to the States, like 559 00:27:22,240 --> 00:27:25,240 Speaker 1: the I don't know what you call it, the courting 560 00:27:25,400 --> 00:27:28,159 Speaker 1: of me to be bachelor. It was flying me first 561 00:27:28,359 --> 00:27:31,919 Speaker 1: to Good Morning America in New York. I took a 562 00:27:31,960 --> 00:27:37,960 Speaker 1: red eye out there, and that was I don't know, 563 00:27:38,040 --> 00:27:40,120 Speaker 1: like the day after the final airing of the show, 564 00:27:40,920 --> 00:27:43,280 Speaker 1: and they kind of walked me around town with another 565 00:27:43,280 --> 00:27:45,720 Speaker 1: one of the lead producers and just said like would 566 00:27:45,720 --> 00:27:47,560 Speaker 1: you do this? We think you'd be perfect for it. 567 00:27:47,880 --> 00:27:49,840 Speaker 1: They were like, take me out to night's lunch, they 568 00:27:49,840 --> 00:27:52,159 Speaker 1: bought me a nice watch, like it was just a 569 00:27:52,280 --> 00:27:57,520 Speaker 1: very interesting experience and obviously like courting me. And then 570 00:27:57,560 --> 00:28:02,560 Speaker 1: it was flying out to Mike Flie's house out in 571 00:28:02,560 --> 00:28:05,680 Speaker 1: Malibu and sitting down there and having a longer, deeper 572 00:28:05,680 --> 00:28:09,520 Speaker 1: conversation about it, and then upon conversations like, Okay, I 573 00:28:09,520 --> 00:28:11,879 Speaker 1: can see how much this can affect someone's life. If 574 00:28:11,920 --> 00:28:14,879 Speaker 1: I'm really going to do this, it's really got to 575 00:28:14,920 --> 00:28:18,960 Speaker 1: be worth it financially, because they could ruin my life, Like, 576 00:28:19,400 --> 00:28:21,000 Speaker 1: so I'd have to start from square one if this 577 00:28:21,080 --> 00:28:24,280 Speaker 1: doesn't go well. I don't have money, Like I gave 578 00:28:24,400 --> 00:28:26,879 Speaker 1: up a lot of what I was doing to go 579 00:28:26,920 --> 00:28:28,840 Speaker 1: on this show. And then ever since I had to 580 00:28:28,880 --> 00:28:32,000 Speaker 1: kind of like divot, and so I made a request 581 00:28:32,040 --> 00:28:37,159 Speaker 1: and it was later agreed upon, and then there was 582 00:28:37,720 --> 00:28:40,480 Speaker 1: more negotiations about what I would hope to have done 583 00:28:40,480 --> 00:28:42,720 Speaker 1: on the show to like benefit me and my relationships, 584 00:28:43,680 --> 00:28:46,880 Speaker 1: and those were eventually all agreed upon, and then we 585 00:28:46,920 --> 00:28:52,760 Speaker 1: went to announce the me becoming the bachelor, I guess 586 00:28:53,440 --> 00:28:56,360 Speaker 1: on the finale of Paradise, And so I was sitting 587 00:28:56,400 --> 00:29:00,160 Speaker 1: in the trailer, they were pressing my suit and it 588 00:29:00,240 --> 00:29:03,520 Speaker 1: kept being like, Okay, the suit's not ready yet. Okay, 589 00:29:03,600 --> 00:29:06,200 Speaker 1: suit's not ready yet. And then it was okay, we're 590 00:29:06,240 --> 00:29:08,000 Speaker 1: just not going to do it now. Let's do it 591 00:29:08,040 --> 00:29:11,160 Speaker 1: tomorrow on Ellen or something like that, or Jimmy Kimmel, 592 00:29:11,240 --> 00:29:12,520 Speaker 1: whatever it was first and I was like, okay, well, 593 00:29:12,600 --> 00:29:15,280 Speaker 1: let's do it the next day on Jimmy Kile. And 594 00:29:15,280 --> 00:29:17,120 Speaker 1: then it was okay, let's fly back out to Good 595 00:29:17,120 --> 00:29:21,320 Speaker 1: Morning America and do it there. And at that point 596 00:29:21,360 --> 00:29:24,280 Speaker 1: the contract still wasn't fully signed, and I was sitting 597 00:29:24,320 --> 00:29:27,560 Speaker 1: in the airport to go to Good Morning America. The 598 00:29:27,600 --> 00:29:30,560 Speaker 1: contract was finally signed, and the other producer who's again 599 00:29:30,640 --> 00:29:34,800 Speaker 1: name I won't mention, was sitting with me, and as 600 00:29:34,840 --> 00:29:38,120 Speaker 1: the flight was literally boarding, she turns me and she says, Okay, 601 00:29:38,120 --> 00:29:40,640 Speaker 1: we're gonna go back to the hotel. It's not going 602 00:29:40,680 --> 00:29:42,520 Speaker 1: to happen this time, like we're not going to announce 603 00:29:42,520 --> 00:29:44,480 Speaker 1: you just yet. And so we went back to the 604 00:29:44,520 --> 00:29:49,080 Speaker 1: hotel and then one of the other like top producers 605 00:29:49,080 --> 00:29:51,000 Speaker 1: comes in and says, you know, we're gonna send you 606 00:29:51,040 --> 00:29:53,479 Speaker 1: home for the weekend. It was what is that at 607 00:29:53,480 --> 00:29:57,080 Speaker 1: that point Labor Day, right? Is that our Memorial Day? Yeah? Yeah, 608 00:29:57,120 --> 00:30:01,800 Speaker 1: one of those. We'll send you home for the holiday weekend. 609 00:30:02,560 --> 00:30:05,040 Speaker 1: Think on it. And then right before they left the room, 610 00:30:05,080 --> 00:30:07,560 Speaker 1: like do you want to do this? I said, straight 611 00:30:07,600 --> 00:30:11,600 Speaker 1: to his face, No, but I'm going to because I 612 00:30:11,600 --> 00:30:14,080 Speaker 1: think it would be foolish not too. It would be 613 00:30:14,720 --> 00:30:19,280 Speaker 1: a dumb opportunity to miss out on if it's here 614 00:30:19,320 --> 00:30:21,480 Speaker 1: for me. And so I went home and I thought 615 00:30:21,480 --> 00:30:27,920 Speaker 1: of it all weekend and text Mike Place on Sunday saying, Okay, 616 00:30:28,920 --> 00:30:31,200 Speaker 1: I'm ready. I'm all in. Let's do it like I'm 617 00:30:31,200 --> 00:30:34,360 Speaker 1: one hundred percent there. And because all that while I 618 00:30:34,400 --> 00:30:35,480 Speaker 1: was like, I was back and forth, this is the 619 00:30:35,560 --> 00:30:37,320 Speaker 1: right decision, is not? I was almost going to be 620 00:30:37,320 --> 00:30:39,240 Speaker 1: announced while still thinking like, I don't think I even 621 00:30:39,240 --> 00:30:43,440 Speaker 1: want to do this myself. I'd seen just too much, 622 00:30:43,520 --> 00:30:45,880 Speaker 1: I guess at that point, but it also was too afraid. 623 00:30:45,920 --> 00:30:50,040 Speaker 1: I was. I was terrified. And he texted me He's like, okay, 624 00:30:50,080 --> 00:30:54,240 Speaker 1: we've actually decided to go a different direction. I'm sorry. 625 00:30:54,240 --> 00:30:57,320 Speaker 1: And then the very next morning they announced, Sorry, so Ari. 626 00:30:57,480 --> 00:31:03,120 Speaker 2: Was the bachelor got announced? And replace okay that I 627 00:31:03,200 --> 00:31:04,200 Speaker 2: was gonna ask that. 628 00:31:05,600 --> 00:31:09,080 Speaker 1: Noep, what was I mean to. 629 00:31:09,080 --> 00:31:12,280 Speaker 2: Kind of close everything up here. There's a level two 630 00:31:12,360 --> 00:31:15,000 Speaker 2: where you know, I don't I think it would have 631 00:31:15,040 --> 00:31:18,760 Speaker 2: been an incredible Bachelor. I don't think it would have 632 00:31:18,760 --> 00:31:22,160 Speaker 2: been easy on the producers or easy on you, because 633 00:31:22,200 --> 00:31:24,600 Speaker 2: I think you would have pushed back, and I think 634 00:31:25,080 --> 00:31:27,280 Speaker 2: you would have kind of put your stakes in the 635 00:31:27,280 --> 00:31:30,720 Speaker 2: ground at places, and I think it could have become 636 00:31:30,760 --> 00:31:33,480 Speaker 2: a very exhausting experience. But I do think you could 637 00:31:33,560 --> 00:31:37,760 Speaker 2: you you would have had the potential to, you know, 638 00:31:37,880 --> 00:31:39,920 Speaker 2: find somebody. But I also just think you'd be a 639 00:31:39,920 --> 00:31:42,440 Speaker 2: great person to watch lead a show. I think the 640 00:31:42,920 --> 00:31:45,600 Speaker 2: I actually think the people that are like you lead 641 00:31:45,640 --> 00:31:46,920 Speaker 2: the show in the best of ways. 642 00:31:47,440 --> 00:31:47,720 Speaker 1: Thanks. 643 00:31:48,760 --> 00:31:54,520 Speaker 2: But you find this text out you're saying publicly you 644 00:31:54,520 --> 00:31:56,040 Speaker 2: don't know if you really want to do it or not, 645 00:31:58,120 --> 00:32:00,200 Speaker 2: but it's a good opportunity, and who knows, you could 646 00:32:00,200 --> 00:32:03,520 Speaker 2: have found your wife. It's happened, but now you found 647 00:32:03,520 --> 00:32:05,200 Speaker 2: her in a different way. But back then, was it 648 00:32:05,240 --> 00:32:09,479 Speaker 2: disappointing to read that text? Like it feels like in 649 00:32:09,520 --> 00:32:13,320 Speaker 2: my memory you in a sense disappeared after this kind 650 00:32:13,400 --> 00:32:17,040 Speaker 2: of scenario is happening behind the scenes. I don't remember 651 00:32:17,600 --> 00:32:21,160 Speaker 2: like hearing from you Aton publicly once this happened. 652 00:32:21,800 --> 00:32:27,320 Speaker 1: Yeah, I think the emotions were mixed. It was a 653 00:32:27,360 --> 00:32:29,360 Speaker 1: sigh of relief that I didn't have to think about 654 00:32:29,360 --> 00:32:32,840 Speaker 1: it anymore. It wasn't a thing. But that continued to 655 00:32:32,840 --> 00:32:35,600 Speaker 1: go on for years after thact. Anytime it was, you know, 656 00:32:35,640 --> 00:32:37,320 Speaker 1: time to select a bachelor again, I came back up. 657 00:32:37,360 --> 00:32:39,080 Speaker 1: Producers even reached out to me a couple of times. 658 00:32:40,400 --> 00:32:43,000 Speaker 1: I was supposed to going to Winter Games with you. Yeah, 659 00:32:43,000 --> 00:32:46,480 Speaker 1: and then at the last minute that got fix made. 660 00:32:46,520 --> 00:32:48,320 Speaker 1: They just decided, like literally the day before I supposed 661 00:32:48,320 --> 00:32:49,880 Speaker 1: fly out, like we've decided to go a different direction. 662 00:32:51,880 --> 00:32:53,240 Speaker 1: I thought that would have been fun. I'm glad it 663 00:32:53,240 --> 00:32:55,080 Speaker 1: didn't go because I realized have been really bad at 664 00:32:55,120 --> 00:32:56,080 Speaker 1: all the sports and fall. 665 00:32:56,480 --> 00:32:58,360 Speaker 2: I'm glad you didn't go either, because I really like 666 00:32:58,440 --> 00:32:59,640 Speaker 2: Ashley and Jared together. 667 00:33:05,520 --> 00:33:11,920 Speaker 1: That was good. Yes, it was relief and yeah, enjoyment. 668 00:33:22,600 --> 00:33:25,840 Speaker 3: So you, guys, I do you feel like they were 669 00:33:25,920 --> 00:33:29,000 Speaker 3: kind of playing you with knowing that Ari was like 670 00:33:29,320 --> 00:33:32,880 Speaker 3: a backup and they knew that he would be more 671 00:33:32,920 --> 00:33:35,360 Speaker 3: easily produced, and he was always in the back of 672 00:33:35,360 --> 00:33:39,719 Speaker 3: their head because you did ask for certain caveats in 673 00:33:39,800 --> 00:33:42,720 Speaker 3: the contract. Do you mind me asking what did you 674 00:33:42,800 --> 00:33:45,360 Speaker 3: ask that would benefit the relationships during the show. 675 00:33:46,600 --> 00:33:49,360 Speaker 1: Well, for the first one is I saw how Brian 676 00:33:49,400 --> 00:33:52,600 Speaker 1: and Rachel were just getting an on slide of negativity 677 00:33:52,640 --> 00:33:57,800 Speaker 1: in every interview they showed for months after it was 678 00:33:57,880 --> 00:34:00,400 Speaker 1: one of the main questions was, well, how could you 679 00:34:00,480 --> 00:34:03,400 Speaker 1: have looked so interested in Peter and then right away 680 00:34:03,600 --> 00:34:07,040 Speaker 1: gone and engaged Brian. So I wanted to I guess 681 00:34:07,280 --> 00:34:11,920 Speaker 1: a more helpful approach to the relationship afterwards, like champion 682 00:34:11,960 --> 00:34:14,560 Speaker 1: the relationship, not the downfall of the other. Like give 683 00:34:14,600 --> 00:34:18,120 Speaker 1: me some support, give the relationship some support afterwards, don't 684 00:34:18,160 --> 00:34:19,640 Speaker 1: just let it go off on its own, like it 685 00:34:19,640 --> 00:34:20,920 Speaker 1: seemed like she was just kind of thrown out to 686 00:34:20,920 --> 00:34:23,920 Speaker 1: the wolves by herself with Brian, and they weren't really 687 00:34:23,920 --> 00:34:25,880 Speaker 1: supporting her after they got the product that they needed. 688 00:34:26,760 --> 00:34:29,080 Speaker 1: And then they were supporting me like they're, you know, 689 00:34:29,440 --> 00:34:30,960 Speaker 1: trying to get me to be the bachelor. I was 690 00:34:31,000 --> 00:34:34,680 Speaker 1: almost getting more support and as like that is not 691 00:34:34,760 --> 00:34:39,200 Speaker 1: fair to anybody, So I'd asked for that during the show, 692 00:34:39,239 --> 00:34:42,719 Speaker 1: I'd asked that there was more unexpected visits to the 693 00:34:42,719 --> 00:34:45,440 Speaker 1: house or to the locations that the women were inside. 694 00:34:45,440 --> 00:34:47,680 Speaker 1: I could see people in their natural environment, Like, what 695 00:34:47,680 --> 00:34:50,080 Speaker 1: are you doing when you're not on this date that 696 00:34:50,120 --> 00:34:53,200 Speaker 1: you've prepared twenty four hours for? You know, are you 697 00:34:53,400 --> 00:34:56,520 Speaker 1: hanging out with the other girls, are you on your own? 698 00:34:56,520 --> 00:35:00,000 Speaker 1: Are you reading books? Are you working out? Are you 699 00:35:01,640 --> 00:35:04,640 Speaker 1: kind to everybody? Are you whatever? I just want to 700 00:35:04,680 --> 00:35:07,759 Speaker 1: see people in their natural environments. And that was That 701 00:35:07,800 --> 00:35:11,719 Speaker 1: was the two main things. I also wanted therapy sessions 702 00:35:11,800 --> 00:35:14,520 Speaker 1: televised or not. I didn't care in the last couple 703 00:35:14,560 --> 00:35:17,280 Speaker 1: of weeks for the top couples if you want me obviously, 704 00:35:17,280 --> 00:35:20,719 Speaker 1: and then the the other person, but in like three 705 00:35:20,719 --> 00:35:23,040 Speaker 1: different scenario it's like, Okay, we're a couple now, so 706 00:35:23,120 --> 00:35:26,800 Speaker 1: let's go to couples counseling in the last few weeks 707 00:35:26,840 --> 00:35:28,520 Speaker 1: of this show to see if we actually do get 708 00:35:28,520 --> 00:35:31,560 Speaker 1: along or is this just fluff that we're experiencing right now? 709 00:35:31,640 --> 00:35:34,719 Speaker 1: Is this just the excitement of the show that makes 710 00:35:34,800 --> 00:35:38,120 Speaker 1: us think, so we're attracted? And so all those things 711 00:35:38,160 --> 00:35:40,200 Speaker 1: were in some capacity agree to. 712 00:35:40,680 --> 00:35:41,640 Speaker 3: Those are really good asks. 713 00:35:41,680 --> 00:35:42,600 Speaker 2: I love those. 714 00:35:43,000 --> 00:35:45,360 Speaker 3: But I but now back to the question that I 715 00:35:45,400 --> 00:35:49,400 Speaker 3: started asking about Ari. You think he was lingering for 716 00:35:49,440 --> 00:35:51,719 Speaker 3: a while, You think that he was more producible. 717 00:35:51,960 --> 00:35:55,680 Speaker 1: I can only say as a business owner. Now you 718 00:35:55,800 --> 00:35:57,760 Speaker 1: have to line up a lot of things because failure 719 00:35:57,800 --> 00:36:00,640 Speaker 1: is always an option, and if you're not prepared failure, 720 00:36:00,800 --> 00:36:04,000 Speaker 1: you failed as a leader, and as the leader of 721 00:36:04,040 --> 00:36:05,959 Speaker 1: a show, they had to have a backup. They're probably 722 00:36:06,000 --> 00:36:08,000 Speaker 1: talking to four or five six people at all times. 723 00:36:08,280 --> 00:36:09,839 Speaker 1: You guys, remember when we first went onto the show, 724 00:36:09,840 --> 00:36:11,440 Speaker 1: when there was one hundred and fifty people in the 725 00:36:11,480 --> 00:36:14,359 Speaker 1: final casting stages or something like that. And then what 726 00:36:14,400 --> 00:36:16,000 Speaker 1: I was told is that even on the last couple 727 00:36:16,040 --> 00:36:17,879 Speaker 1: of days before the show started, there was like five 728 00:36:17,960 --> 00:36:20,319 Speaker 1: or six extra people waiting in the wings that just 729 00:36:20,360 --> 00:36:22,120 Speaker 1: didn't ever go on to the first episode. 730 00:36:22,200 --> 00:36:23,799 Speaker 2: I think that was the year they asked me to 731 00:36:23,840 --> 00:36:24,800 Speaker 2: come back, that there's. 732 00:36:24,680 --> 00:36:26,240 Speaker 1: People that make waiting sense. 733 00:36:26,480 --> 00:36:28,920 Speaker 2: Yeah, no, yeah, they asked. I think that was the 734 00:36:29,000 --> 00:36:30,840 Speaker 2: year they called and said, hey, would you do it again? 735 00:36:31,480 --> 00:36:35,080 Speaker 3: Yeah, because there would have been too wait, two bachelors, 736 00:36:35,080 --> 00:36:36,719 Speaker 3: but no, it was Nick. You would have been you, 737 00:36:37,320 --> 00:36:38,680 Speaker 3: then Nick, then you again. 738 00:36:39,160 --> 00:36:41,719 Speaker 2: Yeah. Yeah, I think that was that. So I must 739 00:36:41,760 --> 00:36:43,960 Speaker 2: have been like your c team, Like they've probably had 740 00:36:43,960 --> 00:36:47,359 Speaker 2: a list of board They said, Peter one, Ari two, 741 00:36:47,600 --> 00:36:50,799 Speaker 2: Been three, We're going to destroy Ben if he comes 742 00:36:50,840 --> 00:36:53,560 Speaker 2: back again, and that sounds like you guys are psycho. No, 743 00:36:53,920 --> 00:36:59,760 Speaker 2: I'm not doing this again, Peter. Inclosing here, we obviously 744 00:37:00,080 --> 00:37:02,480 Speaker 2: are this whole conversation out with talking about your new 745 00:37:02,520 --> 00:37:07,839 Speaker 2: relationship with Hannah. You have made the statement that we're 746 00:37:07,840 --> 00:37:09,520 Speaker 2: going to hold you to because even if you were 747 00:37:09,520 --> 00:37:12,839 Speaker 2: doing it, and just do you still said it. You're 748 00:37:12,880 --> 00:37:14,919 Speaker 2: gonna be engaged by end of the year, have kids 749 00:37:14,920 --> 00:37:17,000 Speaker 2: by in the next year, be married, and at some 750 00:37:17,080 --> 00:37:18,200 Speaker 2: point within that too. 751 00:37:18,880 --> 00:37:19,719 Speaker 1: Got receipts. 752 00:37:20,000 --> 00:37:23,759 Speaker 3: Yeah, she's gonna play this podcast for you. 753 00:37:24,200 --> 00:37:25,719 Speaker 1: I hope, well, I hope she doesn't listen to the 754 00:37:25,760 --> 00:37:28,880 Speaker 1: rest of it. You may not, after. 755 00:37:28,719 --> 00:37:31,279 Speaker 2: All that she's a You had mentioned that at one 756 00:37:31,320 --> 00:37:33,920 Speaker 2: point she was a fan of the show. As you 757 00:37:34,239 --> 00:37:36,960 Speaker 2: enter into this whole next season of life that will 758 00:37:36,960 --> 00:37:39,520 Speaker 2: have less and less to do with your time on 759 00:37:39,680 --> 00:37:42,719 Speaker 2: the show and everything we talked about today, you start 760 00:37:42,760 --> 00:37:45,000 Speaker 2: this whole new life as somebody. Are you glad now 761 00:37:45,000 --> 00:37:47,400 Speaker 2: that you did it? Do you look back on it 762 00:37:47,440 --> 00:37:50,280 Speaker 2: and say, yes, it was an opportunity you are thankful 763 00:37:50,320 --> 00:37:52,359 Speaker 2: you said yes to Or do you wish this would 764 00:37:52,360 --> 00:37:53,200 Speaker 2: have never existed? 765 00:37:53,880 --> 00:37:55,640 Speaker 1: I feel like life as it is right now would 766 00:37:55,640 --> 00:37:59,400 Speaker 1: not exist in the slightest sense if it weren't for 767 00:37:59,440 --> 00:38:03,520 Speaker 1: the show. I can go off a list of things 768 00:38:03,520 --> 00:38:06,640 Speaker 1: that have benefited from me being on that show. So 769 00:38:07,000 --> 00:38:09,320 Speaker 1: my business at the time was in home personal training. 770 00:38:09,760 --> 00:38:12,680 Speaker 1: Because of the show, I couldn't go into people's homes anymore. 771 00:38:12,719 --> 00:38:15,479 Speaker 1: It just became too awkward, and so I started doing 772 00:38:15,520 --> 00:38:17,640 Speaker 1: boot camps. Those boot camps led to me being all 773 00:38:17,640 --> 00:38:20,279 Speaker 1: over the country for four or five six hundred people 774 00:38:20,280 --> 00:38:22,920 Speaker 1: at a time, all the while saving up money to 775 00:38:22,920 --> 00:38:25,920 Speaker 1: open my first gym. And then when the gym opened, 776 00:38:27,080 --> 00:38:29,840 Speaker 1: things were great, but then the pandemic hit and had 777 00:38:29,920 --> 00:38:32,160 Speaker 1: I not had social media, my gym would have closed 778 00:38:32,160 --> 00:38:33,640 Speaker 1: within the first two three months because I had the 779 00:38:33,640 --> 00:38:35,840 Speaker 1: reserves to back it up. I was losing tens of 780 00:38:35,840 --> 00:38:38,520 Speaker 1: thousands of dollars a month. So the social media alone 781 00:38:38,520 --> 00:38:43,320 Speaker 1: from the show benefited me once again, the social clout, 782 00:38:43,400 --> 00:38:46,680 Speaker 1: if you will, that allowed me to open certain doors 783 00:38:46,960 --> 00:38:50,640 Speaker 1: and create certain partnerships even now because of the name 784 00:38:50,719 --> 00:38:53,680 Speaker 1: that follows me, because I feel like I did manage 785 00:38:53,680 --> 00:38:55,880 Speaker 1: to hold myself to a high standard throughout and people 786 00:38:55,960 --> 00:38:58,080 Speaker 1: saw me as like, Okay, you stuck your guns, you 787 00:38:58,480 --> 00:39:01,400 Speaker 1: were brave in a difficult situation. We can know and 788 00:39:01,480 --> 00:39:04,960 Speaker 1: trust you to support our businesses. Now I'm working with 789 00:39:05,680 --> 00:39:08,440 Speaker 1: multimillion dollar, one hundred million dollar investments on some of 790 00:39:08,440 --> 00:39:10,319 Speaker 1: these properties I'm working with, and they're putting my name 791 00:39:10,360 --> 00:39:12,799 Speaker 1: on the side of it, and so it benefited from that. 792 00:39:12,960 --> 00:39:15,040 Speaker 1: And then I look at going on to Raya, and 793 00:39:15,080 --> 00:39:17,800 Speaker 1: while it took me seven years on Raya to eventually 794 00:39:18,239 --> 00:39:20,040 Speaker 1: delete it seven times and pick it back up the 795 00:39:20,080 --> 00:39:23,200 Speaker 1: last time to meet Hannah, it worked. I met Hannah 796 00:39:23,200 --> 00:39:25,040 Speaker 1: through Raya, which I never would have gotten had it 797 00:39:25,080 --> 00:39:26,879 Speaker 1: not been from Blue Check that came from the show. 798 00:39:27,440 --> 00:39:29,799 Speaker 3: Yeah, you wouldn't have gotten on Raya because it's a 799 00:39:30,120 --> 00:39:32,759 Speaker 3: kind of elitist type of dating app where you have 800 00:39:32,840 --> 00:39:35,280 Speaker 3: to like sort of have ties to the entertainment industry. 801 00:39:35,760 --> 00:39:37,680 Speaker 1: Yeah. I had twelve hundred followers before I went on 802 00:39:37,719 --> 00:39:40,560 Speaker 1: that show. That was that was it. I was not 803 00:39:40,680 --> 00:39:44,960 Speaker 1: going on Raya by any means. Yeah, all that say 804 00:39:45,000 --> 00:39:47,200 Speaker 1: like it was a great opportunity that while it had 805 00:39:47,239 --> 00:39:49,480 Speaker 1: a lot of difficulties, it benefited me long term. 806 00:39:49,520 --> 00:39:53,080 Speaker 2: No doubt, it definitely did. And I appreciate you tying 807 00:39:53,120 --> 00:39:55,120 Speaker 2: the threads and the lines together for us because I 808 00:39:55,120 --> 00:40:00,359 Speaker 2: think that's always you know, I've loved the producers back 809 00:40:00,680 --> 00:40:02,239 Speaker 2: in the days that we were on the show, and 810 00:40:02,280 --> 00:40:04,200 Speaker 2: I think some of them are really great. I think 811 00:40:04,239 --> 00:40:06,440 Speaker 2: others of them were not so great, But I do 812 00:40:07,440 --> 00:40:10,359 Speaker 2: hold a lot of them with a lot of respect because, 813 00:40:10,360 --> 00:40:13,640 Speaker 2: if anything, they're brilliant and they're good at what they do. 814 00:40:14,360 --> 00:40:16,839 Speaker 2: And I'm always I always think even in the most 815 00:40:16,840 --> 00:40:18,520 Speaker 2: difficult scenarios, for a lot of the people that come 816 00:40:18,520 --> 00:40:22,919 Speaker 2: on the show, the outcome can be of benefit if 817 00:40:22,960 --> 00:40:24,920 Speaker 2: you allow it to be. And you definitely did, and 818 00:40:24,920 --> 00:40:28,600 Speaker 2: you just tied so many different ways together. Kind of 819 00:40:28,600 --> 00:40:31,200 Speaker 2: that it's on Instagram now, like the butterfly effect, right, 820 00:40:31,320 --> 00:40:33,640 Speaker 2: Like the things that had to happen for you to 821 00:40:33,680 --> 00:40:36,000 Speaker 2: be where you're at today. Well, it's beautiful and we 822 00:40:36,040 --> 00:40:39,320 Speaker 2: appreciate you being here today. On The Almost Famous Podcasts, 823 00:40:39,360 --> 00:40:42,440 Speaker 2: breaking down one of the most, if not the most 824 00:40:42,680 --> 00:40:48,360 Speaker 2: iconic memories and moments in Bachelorette history. Peter, thanks for 825 00:40:48,440 --> 00:40:49,640 Speaker 2: joining the Almost Famous podcast. 826 00:40:50,239 --> 00:40:51,280 Speaker 1: Thanks for having me, guys. 827 00:40:52,160 --> 00:40:55,120 Speaker 3: Follow the Ben and Ashley I Almost Famous Podcasts on 828 00:40:55,160 --> 00:40:58,400 Speaker 3: iHeartRadio or subscribe wherever you listen to podcasts.