Speaker 1: Welcome to Movie Crush, a production of I Heart Radio
Speaker 1: three to one. All right, and I am definitely recording.
Speaker 1: I always have to just quit checking all right now too. Yep,
Speaker 1: still recording. Hooray, we did it, you know what. And
Speaker 1: I'm going to use that as the intro to the
Speaker 1: show still recording ray with how lovelin, how are you?
Speaker 1: I'm doing all right. I'm still recording and that's you know,
Speaker 1: that's more than any of us can say nowadays. What
Speaker 1: is you got? You have a day job to right?
Speaker 1: I do I do? I write, produce and direct a
Speaker 1: mobile trivia show for this for for this app. And
Speaker 1: now that's right, I remember that because of this pandemic.
Speaker 1: I'm also handling the streaming it like I basically took
Speaker 1: everything on that. I'm doing it all one man, like like,
Speaker 1: uh does Al frankin weekend update segments from the half
Speaker 1: in the late eighties, where's the one man? That's satellite
Speaker 1: up link? That's me? Every day? I tell people, it's
Speaker 1: like it's like diffusing a bomb for for fifteen minutes,
Speaker 1: five times a week. Geez, what's the app? It's called
Speaker 1: swag Bucks Live. Is it fun? I think it's fun.
Speaker 1: I mean, yeah, I'm a little biased, but you know,
Speaker 1: you go on there, you want a little cash, You're like, oh,
Speaker 1: is it? Is it? You can Okay swag Bucks, of
Speaker 1: course you can make money. Yeah. Yeah, yeah. Swag Bucks
Speaker 1: is one of those uh, one of those sites where
Speaker 1: you get paid for different stuff that you're probably already
Speaker 1: doing online somewhere. Well, that's an interesting gig. Yeah. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I've been there for I've been at the company for
Speaker 1: almost eleven years. Yeah, and now you're the only person
Speaker 1: there because you poisoned everyone else poison Yeah. I took over,
Speaker 1: you know, just slowly, bit by bit, and I was like, nope,
Speaker 1: now it's all about this app. I'm getting rid of
Speaker 1: all the stuff that makes money. I'm just gonna give
Speaker 1: it away. I know you are a Philly guy because
Speaker 1: of your sports affiliations, but are you like from Philadelphia.
Speaker 1: I'm from actual proper. In fact, I may be extra
Speaker 1: Philadelphia because I was I was born and raised in
Speaker 1: in Northeast Philadelphia, which is a neighborhood that tried to
Speaker 1: seceed from the rest of Philadelphia I think in the
Speaker 1: seventies or sixties, really, yeah, to become what Northeast Philly.
Speaker 1: I guess they that's what they thought, or the Greater
Speaker 1: Northeast maybe they would have called themselves. That's sort of
Speaker 1: the name of the area. But it's it is separate
Speaker 1: from what you would think of as traditional Philadelphia, like
Speaker 1: the Old City and Independence Hall and and yeah, uh yeah,
Speaker 1: all that stuff all yeah, far away from where Veteran
Speaker 1: Stadium was, which is now parking lot, right they all are. Uh.
Speaker 1: I love Philly, man, It's one of my favorite towns.
Speaker 1: In fact, Philly is the last that's the last place
Speaker 1: I've been before COVID hit really what we're doing. I
Speaker 1: went and saw a concert there. My friend and I
Speaker 1: went and saw uh concert in d C Philly in
Speaker 1: New York um for Bonnie principally his favorite artist of mine.
Speaker 1: And we went on a little dude's trip for our
Speaker 1: birthday which was mid March, and we got home. While
Speaker 1: we were there, we were like like, yeah, we're washing
Speaker 1: our hands. This is weird that I think this might
Speaker 1: really be something. Oh my god, it's so funny. The
Speaker 1: week so so Los Angeles closed down on March third,
Speaker 1: March nine team I think Monday March nineteen three teen,
Speaker 1: whichever that was. The week before I was supposed to
Speaker 1: travel to philadel for you. I booked two trips to Philly,
Speaker 1: one one for that for the weekend before everything shut down,
Speaker 1: and then one for two weeks after that, both coinciding
Speaker 1: with Sixers home games, because my father said for basketball,
Speaker 1: he's had season tickets. My family had season tickets I
Speaker 1: think since ninety five or ninety six. And now that
Speaker 1: the team is worth coming home again to watch, it's
Speaker 1: sort of seeing on TV that they weren't when they
Speaker 1: were really bad, they weren't on TV. But I was
Speaker 1: supposed to go. I watched their last game, which was
Speaker 1: a home game against the Pistons. That was the night
Speaker 1: the NBA shut down. But before that, I was ready
Speaker 1: to go, and my and my father all of a sudden,
Speaker 1: who's like the least panicky person. I was talking to
Speaker 1: him on the phonies, like maybe you shouldn't come, because
Speaker 1: that first weekend, I was just gonna come in by
Speaker 1: my by myself. He wasn't even gonna be there. My
Speaker 1: best friend was gonna come in from New York. We're
Speaker 1: gonna go together. But all of my father's events that
Speaker 1: he was traveling for got canceled, so he said, I
Speaker 1: don't know if it's safe. And thankfully that eight before
Speaker 1: I was supposed to leave, which was on a Thursday,
Speaker 1: American Airlines was willing to at that point. They were like,
Speaker 1: all right, everybody's canceling their flights and we're not gonna
Speaker 1: charge you anything. We'll just give you a credit. But
Speaker 1: had I gone, I could have still gone. Had I gone,
Speaker 1: I would have been trapped. Well, I would have been
Speaker 1: trapped in Philadelphia for for the last almost year. My
Speaker 1: wife would have been here by herself, which would have
Speaker 1: been horrendous. It wouldn't have been probably driven home or something.
Speaker 1: Right now, Yeah, you know, I'm I think one of
Speaker 1: the things I've discovered in the the last year is how
Speaker 1: risk averse I am. Okay, right, yeah, so no gas stations,
Speaker 1: no driving. I mean that's a hall. I've driven from
Speaker 1: Atlanta to l A a few times. Yeah, that was
Speaker 1: when I first moved out in two thousand. I drove.
Speaker 1: It took me three and a half days. Now, why
Speaker 1: did you move out for? For the entertainment industry? Yeah?
Speaker 1: I knew I wanted to perform. I've known since I
Speaker 1: was a kid, and when I got out of college,
Speaker 1: I thought, all right, I'm gonna I'm gonna take a
Speaker 1: shot at this. I worked as an apprentice for a
Speaker 1: theater in Philadelphia, which was everything but acting, and it
Speaker 1: was that was great, Yeah, but I couldn't decide where
Speaker 1: to go after that. I thought maybe Washington, d C.
Speaker 1: I had friends from college who had gone there and
Speaker 1: they were wanted to get involved in the theater scene.
Speaker 1: I thought about going to Chicago because I loved improvising,
Speaker 1: and that's the mecca. I wanted to go study at
Speaker 1: actual Second City. And then another one of my best
Speaker 1: friends in the world, still one of my best friends.
Speaker 1: I was talking to him on the phone. He said,
Speaker 1: come to l A and let's be movie stars. And
Speaker 1: I said okay. And then three months later I was
Speaker 1: in a car driving across the deserts of Arizona and
Speaker 1: New Mexico to get into California. Well, now, did you
Speaker 1: act in high school and stuff like that? Did you
Speaker 1: do improv? Were you involved that early? I did? I
Speaker 1: did high school was all even from junior high and
Speaker 1: then into high school was whatever the musical was fall
Speaker 1: in spring trying out for that, and then in like
Speaker 1: ninety three or ninety four was when they started showing
Speaker 1: the British whose line is it anyway? On Comedy Central
Speaker 1: and then we all collectively, people who are outside of
Speaker 1: the Chicago area places with really strong improv communities discovered improvisation.
Speaker 1: So I just fell in love with and I I thought,
Speaker 1: how can I do this and make this part of
Speaker 1: my life forever? What is it you love about improv?
Speaker 1: I love the ability to create something from nothing m
Speaker 1: hm and the idea that anything you put forth, nothing
Speaker 1: you put forward can be wrong in improvising. And part
Speaker 1: of what I love about that that I've learned to
Speaker 1: love more than anything is the collaborative aspect of it.
Speaker 1: Is being there with someone else and knowing that whatever
Speaker 1: you do is going to be supported, and then you're
Speaker 1: there to support whatever they do. And I think that's
Speaker 1: a really good There's so many great life lessons through
Speaker 1: improv that you can apply even if you never perform
Speaker 1: a day in your life. But to get to work
Speaker 1: that into performing as well, I think it's just made
Speaker 1: It's been sort of the core that the principles and
Speaker 1: and sort of the the guiding tenets of improv for
Speaker 1: things that have guided me my whole career in terms
Speaker 1: of wanting to collaborate and be a good collaborator to
Speaker 1: listen too, have ideas and be willing to explore and fail. Well,
Speaker 1: the only experience I've ever had with it improv is
Speaker 1: something that really just um, It's like this weird, dark
Speaker 1: magic that mystifies me and thrills me. Um when it's great,
Speaker 1: like some of the some of the best fun I've
Speaker 1: ever had at a comedy event has been watching the
Speaker 1: best improv Like to me, when it's when it's hitting,
Speaker 1: it's it's there's nothing like it, um. And I've always
Speaker 1: been way too scared to try something like that. Like
Speaker 1: I can get up in front of stuff you should
Speaker 1: know listeners and perform live with Josh and I literally
Speaker 1: don't get nervous at all anymore. But I've never been
Speaker 1: more scared in my life than when at my It's
Speaker 1: Fun Con two years ago, you and Janet and Janet Varney,
Speaker 1: Any Savage and Mark Gagliardi. I think it was just
Speaker 1: you for right, yeah, with your work Juice improv asked
Speaker 1: me to be the storyteller um, and then you would
Speaker 1: improv off of my story. And I've never been so
Speaker 1: scared in my life. I've never been so fulfilled and
Speaker 1: exhilarated afterward, and I just thank you so much for
Speaker 1: asking me to do that. It was a really big
Speaker 1: deal and you probably didn't understand that, no, but I
Speaker 1: you were great and I'm glad that you did it,
Speaker 1: and I'm grateful. I'm grateful for that. Just to have
Speaker 1: met you and and become friends with you, I thought that,
Speaker 1: like that was so great, but you were fantastic. Well,
Speaker 1: I wonder it's so interesting because you have the ability,
Speaker 1: like you said, to go out in front of in
Speaker 1: front of over a thousand people and and talk with
Speaker 1: with a sense I mean, you know what you're talking about.
Speaker 1: But also there's an extemporaneous part to that. Oh sure,
Speaker 1: I mean we're we're winging it the whole time, especially
Speaker 1: pre show kind of comedy bit. But you know, they
Speaker 1: are stuff you should know listeners, and they are they
Speaker 1: want to see us, they came to see us, they
Speaker 1: love us. Um And it's the most supportive feeling that
Speaker 1: you can have as a performer up in front of
Speaker 1: the Mexican Uh Max funcan people. I you know, you know,
Speaker 1: I'm not much of a person there, I do. I'm
Speaker 1: have a guy that does tribute with Hodgeman and sort
Speaker 1: of makes side jokes to his main jokes, and uh,
Speaker 1: I was scared out of my mind. You know when
Speaker 1: I stood up in front of those whatever three people,
Speaker 1: Well you wouldn't have known it, like I don't think.
Speaker 1: I don't think I really knew or we didn't get
Speaker 1: into it as much then as we are now. And
Speaker 1: that's I mean, it makes sense. It is different, and
Speaker 1: it's it's there are a lot of times that I've
Speaker 1: had improvising where the crowd is not there to to
Speaker 1: see me or the people who I'm with, and it's
Speaker 1: not fun. But it also you know, there's still I
Speaker 1: don't think many audiences. I think the fear on the
Speaker 1: performer side is that the audience is all going to
Speaker 1: be crossed arms with that thought of I'm not here
Speaker 1: to see you. I wish you were done already. That's
Speaker 1: exactly how I felt it. But the truth is, most
Speaker 1: of the time, when you're in the audience, that's not
Speaker 1: what you're thinking at all. Yeah, like let's see what
Speaker 1: they do. But yeah, that performs that because you put
Speaker 1: all that pressure on yourself. You know, you know what
Speaker 1: your desired outcome is. You know, with everything that you
Speaker 1: that you throw out there you're you're hoping that this
Speaker 1: is going to be a laugh, even if you come
Speaker 1: up with it in the moment, and then when it isn't,
Speaker 1: there's a little part of you form for at least
Speaker 1: a moment that dies inside. But then you keep but
Speaker 1: then you keep going, and and it's it's no knowing
Speaker 1: even a show where the audience comes to see you
Speaker 1: that that's going to happen. A bunch of times, just stuff.
Speaker 1: Sometimes stuff doesn't hit and that's and that's okay, oh totally.
Speaker 1: And especially with the stuff you should know audiences is
Speaker 1: like us fucking up and telling a dumb joke or
Speaker 1: I mean, that's even better sometimes than when we're genuinely funny,
Speaker 1: because we are so self deprecating and and that's not
Speaker 1: a bit you know, we we genuinely will beat ourselves
Speaker 1: up in front of people and they think it's endearing
Speaker 1: and funny and it's all love fest. But uh yeah,
Speaker 1: I mean I think Janet too, because Janet is someone,
Speaker 1: as you know, who uh like a lot of good
Speaker 1: things in my life and career happened because Janet has
Speaker 1: pushed me to do something that I didn't think I
Speaker 1: could do. Yeah, and that's important. Amazing, Yeah, for sure,
Speaker 1: like like having somebody to help you push your boundaries
Speaker 1: and and grow is is a big deal. And I'm
Speaker 1: glad she was the one who brought you into the
Speaker 1: work just improv right and got you where she was.
Speaker 1: You guys, you're like, I guess, all right, whatever can
Speaker 1: you tell the story? We got to know each other
Speaker 1: that weekend. I mean we had met a couple of times,
Speaker 1: I think it uh the Chateau Marmont, hangs at various
Speaker 1: Fodgeman gatherings. Um, and I had known your work through
Speaker 1: Thrilling Adventure, our previous so did work Juice was kind
Speaker 1: of born out of that of the the improv Yeah,
Speaker 1: or was it just always there? No, we had done
Speaker 1: it a couple of times towards the end of the
Speaker 1: original Thrilling Adventure our run, because there are enough of
Speaker 1: us in the cast that that improvised a lot of
Speaker 1: you know, Marking and Annie and I Annie and I've
Speaker 1: I've known Annie for twenty one years I went through
Speaker 1: Second City, or twenty years when I went through Second City.
Speaker 1: She was in my class with me in l A
Speaker 1: and then Mark. She's fantastic, She's I call her She's
Speaker 1: like the T one thousand because because of the way
Speaker 1: she learns and integrates and grows, Like she'll tell you
Speaker 1: she can't do something and then and then two hours
Speaker 1: later she can do it as well as as anybody
Speaker 1: like comedically or even musically, just super talented. But that's amazing.
Speaker 1: You know. We we all came up improvising, improvising together,
Speaker 1: Mark Evan Jackson, season improviser Craig Atkowski. You know, these
Speaker 1: are those are two of the greatest improvisers on the planet.
Speaker 1: So when we would go places like Chicago, we would
Speaker 1: we would do an improv show, and then Paul started
Speaker 1: to get more and more into it, and then he
Speaker 1: you know, he would always improvise with us as well.
Speaker 1: And Paul is one of the greatest comedic minds on
Speaker 1: the planet in my opinion. Did you guys know each
Speaker 1: other in Philly? By the way, It just occurred to me,
Speaker 1: you're both from there. No, No, he is. The neighborhood
Speaker 1: that he is from was the neighborhood when my mother
Speaker 1: grew up, but they were too far apart in age
Speaker 1: to have known each other. And then he and I
Speaker 1: are far apart enough that we knew a couple of
Speaker 1: people in common, but no way. It would have been
Speaker 1: bizarre for us to have cross paths. The only time
Speaker 1: it might have happened is I don't know if you
Speaker 1: If you ever listened to his his Laboring under Delusions album,
Speaker 1: he talks about jobs he's had. He talks about he
Speaker 1: talks about working at a store for those of you
Speaker 1: who are listening that don't know, called Hats in the Belfry,
Speaker 1: which was a hat store on South Street. And I
Speaker 1: remember that store. I know I was in there at
Speaker 1: least at least once or twice, so it's it's possible
Speaker 1: were the time YEA. For the listeners, this is Paula Thompkins,
Speaker 1: of course, former guest and and I agree, one of
Speaker 1: the greatest comedy minds out there. He's great, Yeah, but
Speaker 1: I didn't meet him until until thrilling until the first thing,
Speaker 1: but I knew who he was because I was a
Speaker 1: huge Mr. Show fan, so it was he was there,
Speaker 1: and then Paget was there, who I knew from friends,
Speaker 1: so like was star struck immediately. Now it's work, juice,
Speaker 1: is it? Are you for the core for? And then
Speaker 1: it sort of depends on how many people you include
Speaker 1: or is it the big group? Generally the improv is
Speaker 1: the four of us and then also Paul and Craig
Speaker 1: and Mark Evan Jackson. Am I forgetting someone? No? I
Speaker 1: think it's the seven of us because we're the we're
Speaker 1: the ones who generally, yeah, and we were we started
Speaker 1: doing when that show ended. We remember talking to Janet
Speaker 1: about it. At some point two We were both like,
Speaker 1: I really miss First of all, I miss everybody. We
Speaker 1: all text one another, We've stayed close, but we're not
Speaker 1: performing anymore. We all love improvising. What if we could
Speaker 1: organize more improv shows? So then Janet and Paul got
Speaker 1: involved on the organizing side and they found us a
Speaker 1: spot that would put us sort of in residence. We're
Speaker 1: performing once a month until until last year. It still
Speaker 1: shows up on my calendar once a month when it's
Speaker 1: supposed to happen. I refused to delete it because I
Speaker 1: at some point we're gonna go back, right. Is that
Speaker 1: a painful reminder? Is it like make you feel good?
Speaker 1: It's I look at it and go, wow, that's right.
Speaker 1: It would be happening right now. What was that three
Speaker 1: decades ago when I still pants? Yeah? Before you well,
Speaker 1: at least you didn't get stuck in Philly. That's true.
Speaker 1: It could have been worse and then had weird they
Speaker 1: had your marriage annulled because of that. Well, bad things
Speaker 1: happen in Philadelphia. I love Philly, man, I love the
Speaker 1: Sixers too. I'm I'm a Hawks fan, but like, the
Speaker 1: Sixers are always one of those teams to me that
Speaker 1: we're just easy to like. Uh they never I mean,
Speaker 1: you know, depending on who was good or bad back
Speaker 1: in the day, they might beat the Hawks, or the
Speaker 1: Hawks might beat them, but there was it was never
Speaker 1: like a team that used to beat up honest that
Speaker 1: I had a big patriot in my heart for I
Speaker 1: felt like always like Philly, I love to iverson. I
Speaker 1: think a lot of these guys on this team now
Speaker 1: are just like some of the coolest, most fun players
Speaker 1: in the NBA. Yeah, there are a lot of likable
Speaker 1: guys on that team. And I like the Hawks to
Speaker 1: the same thing where we may be in the same conference,
Speaker 1: but it's not like we've ever I feel like both
Speaker 1: teams weren't excellent at the same time and that kind
Speaker 1: of helps. But I think the Yeah, the Hawks are
Speaker 1: are a likable team. I like Trey Young a lot like,
Speaker 1: there's a lot of really great young talent there, and
Speaker 1: I think that they're I know this season has been
Speaker 1: a struggle, but this everything up is down and this
Speaker 1: year so I think that I think over the next
Speaker 1: year or two, they're gonna they're gonna take off. And
Speaker 1: I love the coach. We'll see I do like the coach. Um.
Speaker 1: So you also have your podcast we got this with
Speaker 1: Mark and Howe and that's with your improv buddy, Mark Gagliardi. Um,
Speaker 1: who you guys actually joined me. I was gonna say
Speaker 1: listeners heard it, but we never release it. I don't
Speaker 1: think we were able to record it. Uh. Your Sketch
Speaker 1: Fest appearance and our weird panel where we basically just
Speaker 1: picked around and and had fun. It was Yeah. But
Speaker 1: but Mark is great, He's got UM and I'll have
Speaker 1: Mark on here soon enough. I need to reach out
Speaker 1: to him. But he's got one of the great radio
Speaker 1: voices of all time. UM. Anyone who's ever listened to
Speaker 1: your podcast where you handle small debates like kind of
Speaker 1: fun debates a lot of times with a movie tilt.
Speaker 1: I looked at recent episodes and I know the movie
Speaker 1: Crush fans would love it. UM, like best Disney Villa
Speaker 1: in Sidekick, Yes not Disney Villain, the Christmas Movie, Best
Speaker 1: Chris Columbus movie. Those are really fun topics. We love
Speaker 1: doing those, and I have to send you the list
Speaker 1: because you're going to come on to the show at
Speaker 1: some point. Um, well we'll pick something out movie. Yeah.
Speaker 1: The movie stuff is fun because I don't have to
Speaker 1: do any research on it at all. I always come
Speaker 1: into it with almost no research. And Mark likes to
Speaker 1: have a dictionary or really in front of whatever the
Speaker 1: topic is because he just wants to feel informed if
Speaker 1: it's not something he knows inherently. Stuff is so easy
Speaker 1: that Chris Columbus is like, let's well, we're gonna pull
Speaker 1: up his his IMDb. Look at just the stuff he directed,
Speaker 1: and it's very clear what the answer is immediately, I
Speaker 1: think when I look at it, but it's still He's
Speaker 1: you look at it like, oh, he's had a really
Speaker 1: good career. M intend to I don't think about it,
Speaker 1: you know, I don't think about him that much. I
Speaker 1: know I know who he is is, and I like
Speaker 1: a lot of his movies. But yeah, there are certain
Speaker 1: directors like that where you, uh, you think, well, what
Speaker 1: did they do and then you because you know the name,
Speaker 1: and then you look up and and sometimes it's like,
Speaker 1: I mean, Chris Columbus has a vibe. But sometimes the
Speaker 1: ones that always amazed me are the ones that are
Speaker 1: these directors that just kind of like these working directors
Speaker 1: that just do these sort of anything Hollywood movies. Like
Speaker 1: they're not necessarily they don't have a style that you
Speaker 1: can call out, but they they're like, Wow, they've directed
Speaker 1: like fifteen movies you've heard of over the years, but
Speaker 1: you can't place a finger like, oh, this is definitely
Speaker 1: a movie directed by this person. That's a that's a
Speaker 1: really bizarre that's got to be a gift and a
Speaker 1: curse because obviously they're working and they're making solid films.
Speaker 1: But on the other hand, you know what a Spielberg
Speaker 1: movie is, you know what a Harold Ramis movie is.
Speaker 1: But for this director, you know, they're the fact that
Speaker 1: they're that they kind of they're kind of anonymous. They
Speaker 1: disappear into whatever their project is. Is great for the project,
Speaker 1: but it's ultimately maybe kind of odd for their legacy. Yeah,
Speaker 1: that's a good way to put it. What did I
Speaker 1: mean Chris Columbus, what old did he direct? Well, you
Speaker 1: got Home Alone. That's that's a big one. He didn't
Speaker 1: for Sue Harry Potter movies. Oh really, uh huh Adventures
Speaker 1: in Babysitting. Okay, he is another one in there that
Speaker 1: that is a really bizarre one. I'm looking now, Mrs
Speaker 1: dolphire is a Chris Columbus movie. Okay, so he gave
Speaker 1: he did one of the one of the better Robin
Speaker 1: Williams movies and then one of the worst ones because
Speaker 1: he did by Centennial man. Right, he directed the screen
Speaker 1: adaptation of Rent. That's right, yes he did. It's it's weird. Yeah,
Speaker 1: it is weird. It is really weird, interesting babysit. Oh young,
Speaker 1: oh no, young Sherlock comes. He wrote that he wrote,
Speaker 1: he wrote, well, he wrote the fucking Goonies Gremlins. Ye man. Yeah,
Speaker 1: that's quite a career. And he was supposed to direct
Speaker 1: Christmas Vacation the story I have heard John Hughes wanted
Speaker 1: him to eat he He and John Hughes had had
Speaker 1: linked up and John Hughes said, I want you to
Speaker 1: direct Christmas Vacation because he wrote it, right, because he
Speaker 1: wrote it. I think he did write it. And Chevy
Speaker 1: Chase hated him. And had him fired and brought in
Speaker 1: somebody else. I don't remember who wind up directing it,
Speaker 1: but at the consolation prize was home alone. Oh wow,
Speaker 1: which he did not write, right, it made him very
Speaker 1: rich though, I'm well, at least set him up to
Speaker 1: be very rich. No, he didn't write it very I
Speaker 1: think John Hughes wrote that too, didn't he. I think
Speaker 1: so didn't write the first or or he co wrote it. Um, yeah,
Speaker 1: I mean that's a I can't wait to come on
Speaker 1: the show man. I mean, I love the idea. It's
Speaker 1: a Max Fun podcast, and you know, I've always supported
Speaker 1: those guys, and it's just such a quality network. And um,
Speaker 1: how long you've been around. I mean you've got three
Speaker 1: d plus episodes. We started almost six years ago and
Speaker 1: then I think three three or four months in was
Speaker 1: when we joined Max Fun. Right, Okay, that makes sense. Well,
Speaker 1: I encourage people to go check it out. We got
Speaker 1: this with Mark and how very fun show. Your first pick.
Speaker 1: I feel kind of bad because your first pick, I
Speaker 1: think was back to the Future. My first two picks
Speaker 1: were taken. What was your second one? I'm sorry? Empire
Speaker 1: strikes back? Oh right, yeah, we just recently did that.
Speaker 1: Paul Schneider did Back to the Future a couple of
Speaker 1: years ago, and that's kind of the I'm really loose,
Speaker 1: but kind of My only rule is not to do
Speaker 1: the same movie twice, even though I mean, I've had
Speaker 1: listeners say yeah, but you get a different perspective from
Speaker 1: someone else. I'm like, yeah, but I don't want to
Speaker 1: sit around just repeating myself, you know, like a dumb dump.
Speaker 1: I mean, the conversation would be different, but you pivoted
Speaker 1: to a little movie called Raiders of the Lost Dark.
Speaker 1: That's right. And if you'll allow me, let me tell
Speaker 1: you a little story. How when I was ten years old,
Speaker 1: I went to school, was kind of close to being
Speaker 1: out at the end of the year, and I went
Speaker 1: and sat down at school lunch one day and my
Speaker 1: one of my very good friends, Tie Aiken, came and
Speaker 1: sat down at the table. There was round tables, probably
Speaker 1: about eight little dudes, and he had seen a sneak
Speaker 1: preview of a movie the night before, and he was
Speaker 1: almost hyperventilating to tell us about it. And it was
Speaker 1: literally I remember it like it was yesterday. It was
Speaker 1: one of those memories that just locked in my mind.
Speaker 1: He was talking about o my god, and there were
Speaker 1: spiders and there were snakes, and there was this big
Speaker 1: rock that rolled after him, and and he had this
Speaker 1: and he used a whip and we were like, he
Speaker 1: used a whip, Like we had never heard anything like this,
Speaker 1: and he he kind of did that kid thing I was.
Speaker 1: It was in the fourth or fifth grade where you
Speaker 1: just sort of vomit out this thing, you're so excited.
Speaker 1: And he he said what it was called. And I
Speaker 1: remember thinking, what a weird title of a movie, and
Speaker 1: that was Raiders of the Lost Dark. And that was
Speaker 1: like the first time I heard about it. Uh, it's
Speaker 1: so you know, that is a great first way to
Speaker 1: hear about it. Mine was a little backwards. Okay. My
Speaker 1: parents took me to see the first Indiana Jones film
Speaker 1: that I saw was Temple of Doom, which I saw
Speaker 1: in the theater. I was seven years old when it
Speaker 1: came out. So, yeah, so you're younger than me, yes,
Speaker 1: a little, not not too not too much younger than you,
Speaker 1: but young enough to I'm like a first greater younger
Speaker 1: than you enough that I would have that I would
Speaker 1: have come to to Temple of Doom first, which I
Speaker 1: absolutely loved. It's a great movie for us seven year
Speaker 1: and then my father was like, if you like that,
Speaker 1: you're gonna love Raiders of the Lost Dark, which he
Speaker 1: had on VHS. He had, we had some dubbed copy
Speaker 1: of it, and I remember thinking every time I looked
Speaker 1: at the title before I knew what it was, that
Speaker 1: I thought it was an adult film, but not a film, No,
Speaker 1: not an adult film. But he played it for me
Speaker 1: and I absolutely loved it, except I'm definitely afraid of spiders,
Speaker 1: So that part still. I rewatched it just today just
Speaker 1: to have it a super fresh and that part I
Speaker 1: still I looked away. I know I've seen it. I
Speaker 1: remember yep, Alfred Molina's covered in spiders. There's so many
Speaker 1: of them. It's a great gag. No, that got me too, man,
Speaker 1: tar Angela is used to scare the hell out of me,
Speaker 1: Like I'd rather have a snake wrapped around my arm
Speaker 1: than a tarantula crawling up it. Like, yeah, for sure,
Speaker 1: no question, that has a better choice. We're not. That's
Speaker 1: not gonna be the episode you have because we solved
Speaker 1: it here. We're not gonna bring market for that. We
Speaker 1: figured it out. Tar Angela or constructor. Yeah, when tots
Speaker 1: face melts at the end when the ark is opened.
Speaker 1: That terrified me. It was really hard for me to
Speaker 1: watch for several years. How old I seven when I
Speaker 1: saw it first time. That's young. It was a little
Speaker 1: bit young, but I mean I was watching by then,
Speaker 1: I had already seen National Lamp, Pune's Vacation, so it
Speaker 1: wasn't too much. I had nothing left to learn at
Speaker 1: seven years old. I only had to be frightened of things.
Speaker 1: And it took me a while, probably until I was
Speaker 1: maybe twelve thirteen, until until that was less frightening to me,
Speaker 1: just the sort of wore off. And then the more
Speaker 1: the more I watched it because I would watch movies
Speaker 1: all I mean in college instead of I didn't go
Speaker 1: to parties because I don't I don't drink, never have,
Speaker 1: so I didn't go to parties. I watched movies. I
Speaker 1: rented and watched movies all the time, and I would
Speaker 1: watch That was one I had bought at that point,
Speaker 1: and I just watched it over and over again, and like,
Speaker 1: it's so greaters so clearly, it's such a perfect combination.
Speaker 1: You have Spielberg at the height of his powers, you
Speaker 1: have Lucas at the height of his powers doing what
Speaker 1: it does best, which is coming up with a story,
Speaker 1: not directing, not writing the screenplay it. But he can
Speaker 1: sort of blue sky this story and then Spielberg can
Speaker 1: go and practically make it happen. And it's you got
Speaker 1: Harrison Ford at the height of his powers. Lawrence Kasten.
Speaker 1: Lawrence Kasten, I mean, it's yeah, it's just a dream.
Speaker 1: Everybody on it is a dream team player. Yeah. And
Speaker 1: it's paced perfectly. It's a two hour movie that feels
Speaker 1: like it's ninety minutes long. Yeah. I mean there are
Speaker 1: a lot of Uh. I mean when I was a kid,
Speaker 1: I saw it a bunch of times. I've seen this
Speaker 1: may be the most viewed movie for me. I don't know,
Speaker 1: maybe Jaws. I would have to I'd have to see
Speaker 1: the data. But you know, I've seen this movie over
Speaker 1: twenty something times, you know, easy And I bought the
Speaker 1: novelization when I was a kid, and I read that.
Speaker 1: I played that Atari game. Uh. I don't know if
Speaker 1: you ever had that, but it was amazing, I mean,
Speaker 1: you know, for what it was at the time. Sure, um,
Speaker 1: and they're for me. There are a lot of Like
Speaker 1: when I was watching it today, I realized how many
Speaker 1: bests there are in this movie for me personally, Like
Speaker 1: I think it's my favorite score. Ever. I think it's
Speaker 1: the best opening action sequence of a movie for me.
Speaker 1: It may be the best last shot of a movie. Yes,
Speaker 1: maybe the best anti hero for me. Uh, maybe the
Speaker 1: best movie villain in total and sort of Bellock Like,
Speaker 1: it's really like it's got a lot of things and
Speaker 1: it's not just nostalgia like when I was, you know,
Speaker 1: I try to watch it through more studied lens when
Speaker 1: I do these, uh, and it's it holds up. Man.
Speaker 1: I mean, it's just a really fucking good quality movie. Yeah.
Speaker 1: A lot of films that you revisit, especially from the
Speaker 1: eight I mean, as as time moves forward, films get
Speaker 1: shorter and not necessarily in terms of length, but in
Speaker 1: terms of how it how it paces. So to watch something,
Speaker 1: you know, to watch a drama now, it's paste so
Speaker 1: much quicker. But if you watch Lilies of the Field,
Speaker 1: which is a classic movie that I love, it's it's
Speaker 1: not moving fast at all. It's very intentional. It's a
Speaker 1: lot slower, but at that time it was way faster
Speaker 1: than films that had come ten years before it or
Speaker 1: five years before it so that this and maybe because
Speaker 1: it benefits from from basically being a tribute to the
Speaker 1: cereals of the thirties and forties, it keeps that pacing.
Speaker 1: It's just a series of cliffhangers and it and it
Speaker 1: takes you through. It's really never it never slows down,
Speaker 1: even if there are the lulls just help you catch
Speaker 1: your breath and give you a little bit more character development. Absolutely,
Speaker 1: I was thinking about that today, the pacing of it
Speaker 1: in the you know, the few quiet scenes that stand
Speaker 1: out as obviously after the big um, the big opening sequence.
Speaker 1: You have his stuff at the college, which I remember
Speaker 1: being freaked out when I was a kid, and still
Speaker 1: today when I see Indiana Jones out of his his
Speaker 1: costume and his suit with his glasses and then seeing
Speaker 1: like I freaked out today seeing his house and seeing
Speaker 1: inside his house, and I was like, I forgot that
Speaker 1: we saw Indiana Jones house in New Jersey, you know,
Speaker 1: I mean he was supposedly the characters from Princeton, and
Speaker 1: the college is Marshall College somewhere in New Jersey. And
Speaker 1: I was like, Harrison Ford, I mean, Indiana Jones, fucking
Speaker 1: he lives in New Jersey. It's so weird. It's in
Speaker 1: Indiana Jones, It's those, It's those three. Those are the
Speaker 1: that's only Trinity of Jersey Man. I was really studying
Speaker 1: his house to like the interior, Like I was like,
Speaker 1: oh my god, I've never really like freeze framed have
Speaker 1: been like what what's on his walls? Like what kind
Speaker 1: of candles does he have? And it's very sort of
Speaker 1: playing and stuff. But it's just so weird because as
Speaker 1: a kid and still today, he exists as this character
Speaker 1: who only travels to the world and does this stuff.
Speaker 1: So when you see him out of that element, it's
Speaker 1: always a little jarring, but necessary, like you said, for
Speaker 1: the plot to give a little bit, you know, there's
Speaker 1: just a couple of lines here and there, like you
Speaker 1: know your you sound like my mother, and like these
Speaker 1: little tiny throwaway lines that just sort of hint like, uh,
Speaker 1: you know, God or whatever, if you believe in that
Speaker 1: sort of thing, Like these little things that hint is
Speaker 1: his His His is probably atheism, I guess, yeah, or
Speaker 1: his skepticism. Everything is sorted in in science, and he
Speaker 1: never believes the myth even even I mean, he can't
Speaker 1: believe the myth in Temple of Doom because it comes
Speaker 1: canonically it's earlier. What is it like three years before
Speaker 1: or two years before or no, five years like thirty six,
Speaker 1: thirty six something like that. Is I think Raiders is
Speaker 1: thirty six. Then then this is that I think thirty
Speaker 1: three might be Temple Doom. It's definitely takes place, definitely
Speaker 1: place before, so he shouldn't be leave in the San
Speaker 1: Carra Stones either. And he's now thinking about it that
Speaker 1: the fortune and glory version of of Indied that we
Speaker 1: get in that movie has been tamed down by time
Speaker 1: we get to Raiders, and it becomes much more of
Speaker 1: a man of silence. So maybe there was are a
Speaker 1: man of science rather and and education and just preservation.
Speaker 1: So maybe it's I've never thought about this before, that
Speaker 1: that film as a prequel shows us more about who
Speaker 1: he was than than who than how he progresses. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I don't think I even remember that taking place before. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I haven't seen it in a long time, but yeah,
Speaker 1: you're totally right. Uh, very interesting. Um the other movie,
Speaker 1: you know, there are other couple of um kind of
Speaker 1: scenes to let you catch your breath that ended up
Speaker 1: being really impactful. One of course, when he goes to
Speaker 1: um with Sala to see the guy who basically lays
Speaker 1: it all out there as far as the translating them
Speaker 1: what's on the headpiece? Um, So that's a really important scene.
Speaker 1: And then obviously the one on the boat, which is
Speaker 1: one of my favorite scenes in the movie, when he
Speaker 1: and Karen Allen finally had their kind of quiet time.
Speaker 1: There's so much humor and romance and sweetness in that scene.
Speaker 1: I just I love it every single time. Yes, and
Speaker 1: I love that they're always until the end slightly out
Speaker 1: of sync. So every time you think it's going to
Speaker 1: take turn a certain way, they managed to. They managed
Speaker 1: to defy your expectations or up set your expectations in
Speaker 1: the best possible way, because you don't but the moment
Speaker 1: where where they could have their huge love scene and
Speaker 1: he falls asleep in that in that boat scene, that
Speaker 1: is it's such a great subversion because in almost any
Speaker 1: movie you would see, you would expect them to be together.
Speaker 1: That's like the mid action movie thing is that two
Speaker 1: girls get together. Even Shark Attack three Megaladon, which has
Speaker 1: the greatest movie and all the greatest line in all
Speaker 1: of film, has a that was Oh it's yeah, this
Speaker 1: is before This is right before the big Action Secrets
Speaker 1: where they go to to blow up the giant dinosaur.
Speaker 1: It's John Barrowman who's the lead, and he says to
Speaker 1: the female lead, who's played by the by an actress
Speaker 1: who is in Shark Attack one is a different character.
Speaker 1: He says, I should uh, I should go home and
Speaker 1: get some sleep, but I'm feeling kind of wired. What
Speaker 1: do you say? I take you home and eat your
Speaker 1: pussy for you? And then it's smash cuts to the
Speaker 1: two of them making out in a shower. Wow. Yeah,
Speaker 1: that's amazing. It's so it's just you don't excuse I've
Speaker 1: seen it so many times they've shared that clip with
Speaker 1: people just because nobody believes that could actually be true.
Speaker 1: Wrote that and didn't not refuse to say it. I mean,
Speaker 1: come on, how does John Barrowman not just get asked
Speaker 1: about that? At every single con he goes to the
Speaker 1: pack forget torch Wood, tell me about Megalodon. Did you
Speaker 1: did you argue about that line? Was it your idea? Yeah?
Speaker 1: I wanted to know this story there. Oh that's funny. Um,
Speaker 1: but what were you saying? I think I cut you
Speaker 1: off to get that line. Oh, it's that's usually where
Speaker 1: they have the addie, that's that's where the love scene happens.
Speaker 1: But for this it gets cut off. They're constantly cut
Speaker 1: off every time you think they're gonna be safe and together,
Speaker 1: when they get separated from one another, when he when
Speaker 1: he goes to when he discovers her the at the
Speaker 1: dig site and instead of rescuing her, has to leave
Speaker 1: her there because he's going to get caught. Is is
Speaker 1: a really great subversion, but also makes logical. There's there's
Speaker 1: so much logic in that film, but both in what
Speaker 1: he does and in every the fight around the giant
Speaker 1: plane just this So it's just this great like Rube
Speaker 1: Goldberg machine of thing after thing going wrong but logically
Speaker 1: until it and just keeps turning up the heat on
Speaker 1: whatever is happening in the moment. Yeah, let's talk about
Speaker 1: that scene, because I mean, I've always loved that scene.
Speaker 1: It's one of the great sequences. But watching it today
Speaker 1: as like an adult who fully understands movie making and screenwriting,
Speaker 1: ufully because I can't do either well, but um, everything
Speaker 1: it's just like this amazing little Rube Goldberg machine that
Speaker 1: works so perfectly together and everything that happens it means
Speaker 1: something for the next thing, like her her pulling the
Speaker 1: blocks from the tires that allows the plane to start spinning.
Speaker 1: Her knocking him out with those blocks is what makes
Speaker 1: him fall on the controls to make the plane start moving.
Speaker 1: To begin with, um, they set up the wrench in
Speaker 1: the propeller, you know, for what's gonna happen later, Like
Speaker 1: every single little thing that happens has a logical, Like
Speaker 1: you said, outcome, it's not just it was just so
Speaker 1: expertly planned. I think to sit around and say, Okay,
Speaker 1: she takes the block out, she hits the guy with
Speaker 1: the block, he falls over. Then she has to get
Speaker 1: in to the plane to try and pull him off,
Speaker 1: and she gets trapped inside. And then that allows her
Speaker 1: to use the bubble gun to shoot the all the
Speaker 1: approaching troops to keep it a one on one fight.
Speaker 1: But at the same time, the plane is spinning and
Speaker 1: it knocks over the gas tank. Well that's right, because
Speaker 1: the plane is spinning from the blocks from the guy.
Speaker 1: Now you have the the ticking clock is at it.
Speaker 1: I mean, it was a fun scene anyway, and then
Speaker 1: all of a sudden you've got the element of the
Speaker 1: gas and the fire and and it's just like it's
Speaker 1: so expertly done, Like you've got this great tent scene anyway,
Speaker 1: and halfway through it you add a ticking clock. It's
Speaker 1: so good. It's so great. And I never really thought
Speaker 1: about what a weird looking plane that was literally until today. Yeah,
Speaker 1: wait a minute, what a what was that? And I
Speaker 1: looked it up and you probably know this. It was
Speaker 1: Spielberg's attempt to show this weird experimental plane that the
Speaker 1: Nazis were developing. And it didn't have a tailpiece, it
Speaker 1: had these weird bent bird wings. It's like my twenties
Speaker 1: something twenty something. Viewing, I was like, what the hell
Speaker 1: kind of plane is that? Isn't it funny how your memory?
Speaker 1: My memory of it was that it was a normal
Speaker 1: sort of bomber plane. I think so. And then when
Speaker 1: I saw it, I was like, did they is this
Speaker 1: a special edition that I'm watching? Did they change? But
Speaker 1: it makes perfect sense. That is like a very nice
Speaker 1: little element. It's the brilliance of Spielberg. It's those little
Speaker 1: he He wanted those little bits of detail in there
Speaker 1: that that even though that plane didn't exist, it makes
Speaker 1: sense that they would have the group of of Nazis
Speaker 1: going after the Ark of the Covenant would have all
Speaker 1: experimental stuff. Yeah, very very cool. Um, like you build
Speaker 1: a plane if you're Spielberg, I guess instead of getting
Speaker 1: an old plane. Um. And I was just reminded of
Speaker 1: how much this movie thrilled me, just beyond belief as
Speaker 1: a kid. I mean, I love Star Wars, I still
Speaker 1: do love DT loved all these movies from my childhood,
Speaker 1: but there was something about Indiana Jones and this adventure
Speaker 1: that would travel the world and go in jungles and deserts,
Speaker 1: Like maybe it was a little more grounded or something,
Speaker 1: but it got me way more than Star Wars ever.
Speaker 1: Did I think that's said? I think you hit the
Speaker 1: nail on the head. Like Star Wars and Eat are
Speaker 1: both great, and it's fun to to play in those worlds,
Speaker 1: like to pretend or imagine what it would be like
Speaker 1: to be in those worlds. But that's all you can do.
Speaker 1: It's it's a fantasy. We're not in a galaxy far
Speaker 1: far away a long time ago. We're there is no
Speaker 1: alien getting separated from the rest of his alien friends.
Speaker 1: That Jones is a teacher. Indiana Jones is a teacher
Speaker 1: and an archaeologist and and the weapons that he had
Speaker 1: were his brains and his fists and a whip and
Speaker 1: sometimes a gun. It's easy to take that whip for
Speaker 1: granted now, but we had never seen a whip like
Speaker 1: that and use like that. I mean it was it was.
Speaker 1: I know it had been used in cereals and stuff,
Speaker 1: and like they full o fully borrowed a lot of
Speaker 1: this stuff from that world, to be fair. But like
Speaker 1: as far as me and a kid, i'd i'd never
Speaker 1: seen someone use a bull whip like that. I remember
Speaker 1: getting my parents went to Texas for for business that
Speaker 1: I hadn't They brought me back like a little whip,
Speaker 1: like one of those whips you get at the airport,
Speaker 1: and I had, Yeah, didn't you think, didn't you think
Speaker 1: at that age, like all right, I'm i gotta be
Speaker 1: like if I practice with this for a week, I'll
Speaker 1: be able to swing from a tree with it. Yeah. Well,
Speaker 1: and it was they were like four ft long. You know,
Speaker 1: I don't you can make a cracking sound with it? Yeah?
Speaker 1: Maybe if you're lucky, and the little red string on
Speaker 1: the end would break immediately and be gone. You'd immediately
Speaker 1: fray it. And you're like why does my whips say
Speaker 1: how on the handle? I don't think like a wood
Speaker 1: burning kit the airport. It's yeah, it's like the little
Speaker 1: license plates. Oh I got a Marjorie whip and even
Speaker 1: get my name. It wasn't even on the rack. Marjorie
Speaker 1: better than nothing, I guess. Um. There are also so
Speaker 1: many great character moments, like Harrison Ford just uh and
Speaker 1: I know it's his um. I then we had to
Speaker 1: reckon with Han solo over the years and came back
Speaker 1: to love him. But he always loved Indiana Jones. And
Speaker 1: they're just, you know, so many little moments to give it,
Speaker 1: give it flavor, um, Like the the little smile he
Speaker 1: gives when at the beginning when he jumps after Alfred
Speaker 1: Molina ditches him, you know, without the whip, and he
Speaker 1: jumps over and he grabs that vine and he gives
Speaker 1: that brief little grin like, oh, thank god, I've got
Speaker 1: this vine before it starts pulling out. Just those little moments, man,
Speaker 1: are so priceless. He manages to pull off a lot
Speaker 1: of cartoony reactions as Indiana Jones, but they're so worked
Speaker 1: into the character and they're so sere, so sincere with
Speaker 1: it that it that it absolutely were. I mean, it's
Speaker 1: it's crazy to think of how close we were to
Speaker 1: Tom Selleck as Indiana Jones. If CBS had said it's fine,
Speaker 1: go ahead and make this movie, then who knows. I mean,
Speaker 1: Tom Selock's a fine actor, but I can't imagine just
Speaker 1: all the little things that Harrison Ford brings to it.
Speaker 1: I think he's a really underrated actor because of the
Speaker 1: movies that he's best known for. He's so good he
Speaker 1: doesn't even need to do something. And I think he's
Speaker 1: very good in regarding Henry, Like, he's got a lot
Speaker 1: of great movies that are not Indiana Jones or Han Solo,
Speaker 1: But even in those things, he's so good and so
Speaker 1: committed to it, to everything that he does, and that
Speaker 1: brings that he brings these like real little moments. The
Speaker 1: way that Indiana Jones smirks is different than the way
Speaker 1: Han Solo smirks. There's a different meaning behind it. They're
Speaker 1: not the entire after at all, and they occupy a
Speaker 1: similar space sort of like an adventure maybe a little
Speaker 1: scoundrel e yeah, kind of anti hero scoundrels, but they're
Speaker 1: not the same guy at all. I totally agree and
Speaker 1: there's I think what those things do in this movie too,
Speaker 1: is there's like there's never a doubt in your mind
Speaker 1: that Indiana Jones is like a real guy. Um he
Speaker 1: and I remember being a kid. Like the way he
Speaker 1: runs looks like he's in pain, you know. He I
Speaker 1: think he was in his late thirties when he made it.
Speaker 1: He didn't run like a twenty two year old kid,
Speaker 1: you know. He ran like like my dad ran, and
Speaker 1: he wore baggy pants, and he was in pain a lot,
Speaker 1: and and uh like he was a real, living, breathing guy.
Speaker 1: He wasn't. And I loved the Mission Impossible movies and
Speaker 1: stuff like that. But when you get to that point,
Speaker 1: like Ethan Hunt is just he might as well be
Speaker 1: a superhero at that point, you know, yeah, there's no
Speaker 1: it doesn't feel like there's a consequence to almost falling
Speaker 1: off the Birch Khalifa or fighting in a sandstorm. Yeah
Speaker 1: he's fine. No, there are no actual consequences outside of
Speaker 1: the moment of peril. Whereas this guy is banged up.
Speaker 1: He you know, he's shot in the arm. By by
Speaker 1: time he gets to the end, he's not gonna go
Speaker 1: fight them, So he grabs a Bazuka. Even the way
Speaker 1: that he tries to hold them hostage is the farthest away.
Speaker 1: And that is such a great scene that I've forgotten
Speaker 1: because it tells you so much about his character that
Speaker 1: the most important thing to him in the world is
Speaker 1: the preservation of history and culture, because that's that's why
Speaker 1: he's an archaeologist, not so you can globe try to
Speaker 1: find things. He doesn't do it for the adventure. He
Speaker 1: does it because he wants to preserve He wants the
Speaker 1: ark to be studied and put in a museum. And
Speaker 1: they hit and yeah, that last crusade thing of it
Speaker 1: belongs in a museum. They they hit the nail. They
Speaker 1: hit the nail on the head there. But that's what
Speaker 1: he's about from a very young age, that's what he's
Speaker 1: been about. That, that's his that's his passion. More important
Speaker 1: than Marryan. He was willing to let her to you know,
Speaker 1: he was willing. He wasn't willing to do what he
Speaker 1: needed to do to save her because his bluff got called.
Speaker 1: There's no way he was going to shoot fired that
Speaker 1: rocket at the ark and destroy it. Yeah, and you know,
Speaker 1: there he and Marian's relationship came full circle. Throughout the
Speaker 1: you know, even through that last really bad movie, I
Speaker 1: think in a nice way, but we should probably mention,
Speaker 1: you know, all this stuff on the internet when people
Speaker 1: started calling attention to the fact that, like, wait a minute,
Speaker 1: what happened before she says she was a child? He says,
Speaker 1: you knew what you were doing. She says, you knew it,
Speaker 1: you knew it was wrong. And people did math and
Speaker 1: they were like, was she fifteen? Was she younger? And
Speaker 1: you know, it got a little creepy there for a minute. Uh.
Speaker 1: I think there were some leaked notes from the original
Speaker 1: meetings where George Lucas said, like, what if she was
Speaker 1: like eleven, that would be pretty wild, but like, you know,
Speaker 1: that would really raise some steaks, and I think they
Speaker 1: were like, well, let's make her more like fifteen. That's
Speaker 1: still you know, grant, it's in the thirties, so it's
Speaker 1: a little bit of a different thing, but it's still
Speaker 1: a kid, you know. I get in my mind, I
Speaker 1: had always thought like maybe she was seventeen eighteen and
Speaker 1: he was a little bit younger, but I think she
Speaker 1: was supposed to be fifteen, he was supposed to be. Yeah,
Speaker 1: that's that's that's a pretty creepy. It's pretty creepy, but
Speaker 1: you know it's something that we should mention. I don't
Speaker 1: want to just like skate by it. For sure. It
Speaker 1: doesn't like Tank the movie for me. They ended up
Speaker 1: like getting married and having they got married right, and
Speaker 1: that the indication in the last movie, and I think
Speaker 1: they I think you get to see their wedding. I
Speaker 1: think they emerged from the church, don't they. Maybe, Man,
Speaker 1: I'd literally wipe that movie from my memory being disappointing.
Speaker 1: You know, we're talking about how great the fight around
Speaker 1: the plane is and then the chase through the marketplace
Speaker 1: where he's where he shoots the swordsman because Harrison Ford
Speaker 1: had the trots like all that, all that stuff was
Speaker 1: so great, and then when you look at the central
Speaker 1: action piece in the jungle in the Kingdom of the
Speaker 1: Crystal Skull, which is I've only watched it once, but
Speaker 1: I remember hearing the theater watching it going this is
Speaker 1: this is about everything mistakenly going right. That he lands
Speaker 1: where the ants, where the bugs are in a circle
Speaker 1: so they don't hurt, Like everything just feels too fortunate,
Speaker 1: where if it was, everything has to get has to
Speaker 1: get worse and worse and worse, and then he he
Speaker 1: either fag I mean Temple of Doom. He didn't really
Speaker 1: win the fight against the guy. The guy's the guy's
Speaker 1: turbing gets caught in the in the conveyor belt. That's
Speaker 1: why he wins that fight. So he it's it's luck
Speaker 1: he chooses the wrong way when they're in the mind
Speaker 1: cart it in Crystal Skull. It feels like you would
Speaker 1: have chosen the right way on the track and they
Speaker 1: would have gotten out. Yeah, you're totally right. I mean,
Speaker 1: there was so much about that movie that just landed wrong. Um.
Speaker 1: I think they're making another one, which already really nervous about.
Speaker 1: But I mean, if they can go out on top,
Speaker 1: that would be great. Um, because the first three we're
Speaker 1: really really good movies. You know, absolutely do you are you?
Speaker 1: Are you a Crusade over Temple of Noon Guy or
Speaker 1: Temple Do you like them? In order? You know? I
Speaker 1: kind of always thought I was Crusade over Temple of Doom,
Speaker 1: But the more I've seen Temple of Doom as an adult,
Speaker 1: the more I really think it's a pretty fun, like
Speaker 1: just total action. Like I think there's a little more
Speaker 1: substance to Crusade just with the relationship with his father
Speaker 1: and stuff. But I don't know, I think they're all
Speaker 1: pretty great. What about you? I do I also agree
Speaker 1: that they're all pretty great. I would give Crusade. I
Speaker 1: would put Crusade above Temple of Doom just because I
Speaker 1: think it has a lot of the same fun maybe
Speaker 1: a little bit the jokes are a little bit better. Yeah,
Speaker 1: And and Sean Connery is such a great he was.
Speaker 1: That was such a great addition, every detail, the fact
Speaker 1: that they both slept with with Ellison, with Elsa Schneider. Yeah,
Speaker 1: all of the Grail stuff is great. It feels like
Speaker 1: it went back close. And you have Sala and and
Speaker 1: a weird version of Brody where he becomes a fool
Speaker 1: because he's not a fool at all in Raiders. No, No,
Speaker 1: that's right, He's right. He's almost Indiana. It seems like
Speaker 1: Kean Indie are basically partners. Yeah. I feel like they
Speaker 1: were just like, maybe we can get some laughs out
Speaker 1: of him. And they watched Trading Places in between Raiders.
Speaker 1: Alaska said They're like, oh, he's great at comedy. That's funny.
Speaker 1: Another couple of favorite character moments for for Indiana where
Speaker 1: when and they're both in the chase scene with the trucks,
Speaker 1: which is, you know, one of the I mean, it's
Speaker 1: like every action sequence in this movie is like out
Speaker 1: doing the one before it. But um, the little look
Speaker 1: he gives when he bumps the motorcycle in the sidecar
Speaker 1: off the road, it's just a little bitty the little
Speaker 1: that little smirk. And then the one where the he's fighting, Uh,
Speaker 1: they sort of regained control of the truck together and
Speaker 1: and kind of give each other that knowing like kind
Speaker 1: of laugh and smile before he you know, kicks his
Speaker 1: ass again. Moments in this movie. Yeah. I also I
Speaker 1: really like the scene in the Marion's Barn Nepal where
Speaker 1: where he's struggling with the with the hired good with
Speaker 1: the gun and Tod says, cares on both and then
Speaker 1: they both shoot the gunman who's gonna shoot them, and
Speaker 1: then assume fighting. It's such a great like again smart
Speaker 1: smart moment and and not only character moment for Indie
Speaker 1: but also for the thug like he of course he
Speaker 1: wouldn't continue fighting. He doesn't want to die. Well, I
Speaker 1: kind of wondered today for the first time, I was like,
Speaker 1: why didn't the guy just leave right then. Yeah, Like,
Speaker 1: after he knows he's been sold out, He's like, why
Speaker 1: is he continuing this charade? I would imagine if I
Speaker 1: had to, if I had to stretched it out of me,
Speaker 1: because he's afraid Indie's gonna shoot him if he tries
Speaker 1: to go. Maybe. Yeah, that's a good point. That also
Speaker 1: that also has the great when he's down at the
Speaker 1: bargaining choked out and he just goes whiskey. Yes, these
Speaker 1: iconic moments. Yeah, it's just full of them. Uh. So
Speaker 1: have you seen the I didn't hear about this until
Speaker 1: recently when a movie crusher pointing it out. The big
Speaker 1: Bang theory thing about that he's inconsequential to the plot.
Speaker 1: Did you hear any of that? No, it was from
Speaker 1: that show, which I never watched. But the scene in
Speaker 1: the show as they're watching the movie and one of
Speaker 1: the characters shows it too, uh, Blossom, what's myambi alic? Yes, yes,
Speaker 1: and she had never seen it and afterwards she was like, oh,
Speaker 1: that was good, but like he was he was irrelevant
Speaker 1: to the plot, and he was like what she was like,
Speaker 1: everything would have happened the same way if he had
Speaker 1: never been there. And then it became this thing on
Speaker 1: the internet that I read about today where technically, if
Speaker 1: you look at all the things that happened, they would
Speaker 1: have gone to Marian's anyway, they would have gotten the
Speaker 1: medallion anyway, and then they would not have burned the hand,
Speaker 1: and they would have known the staff was at the
Speaker 1: wrong height, and they would have dug the arc and
Speaker 1: found the arc, and they would have opened the arc
Speaker 1: and died. H And I kind of never really thought
Speaker 1: about it. It's an interesting thought exercise. At least, it
Speaker 1: is an interesting thought exercise. I wonder how they get
Speaker 1: to because the only reason they figure out the staff
Speaker 1: is the wrong height is when they go to see
Speaker 1: the old man right, because they have the actual headpiece,
Speaker 1: but it just has the one side burned into his hand,
Speaker 1: and it was the flip side that told them the
Speaker 1: rest of the story about the staff height and a
Speaker 1: deleted scene. As it turns out, that is also where
Speaker 1: Indiana learns not to look or touch look at or
Speaker 1: touch the arc, but they cut that part out, Oh right.
Speaker 1: It is kind of bizarre that he just sort of
Speaker 1: knows that although he obviously has that giant book in
Speaker 1: the beginning that has the locks on it, is that
Speaker 1: a by I think that's the Bible. Hell no, oh yeah,
Speaker 1: that's right. You all know in the Bible we had
Speaker 1: a picture book of the of the art destroy People
Speaker 1: of Lightning. That's Roman. I don't think it was the Bible.
Speaker 1: That's a great scene though, man, I love that scene.
Speaker 1: I mean that scene kind of breaks a lot of
Speaker 1: the rules of screenwriting and that they just sort of
Speaker 1: lay it all out there. But it's just done in
Speaker 1: such a deft way. I think it doesn't even matter. Yeah,
Speaker 1: and again, that's that's the serial, right is we're gonna
Speaker 1: give you all the information and then we're just gonna
Speaker 1: get to a series of cliffhanger, cliffhanger, cliffhanger, cliffhanger, and
Speaker 1: then they do that and that. But it's such a
Speaker 1: refined version. I think the one they borrowed the most
Speaker 1: from is called Perils of Pauline, which is notable because
Speaker 1: it had a woman in the lead, which was kind
Speaker 1: of unheard of as for from an action hero standpoint
Speaker 1: in the in the thirties, I think, which is when
Speaker 1: it run went round. But it was great and it
Speaker 1: has that seem excitement you can see. You can definitely
Speaker 1: see how much they lifted specifically from from those cereals,
Speaker 1: but it's so much more refined because of everybody involved.
Speaker 1: You have arguably the best composer in the history of
Speaker 1: film working with arguably one of the best directors ever,
Speaker 1: along with arguably one of the best storytellers of all
Speaker 1: time and one of the best screenwriters. I mean, it's
Speaker 1: just again, it's it's the most refined version that that
Speaker 1: you can get with. It has everything. It also occurred
Speaker 1: to me today that the whole message of Um his
Speaker 1: skepticism slash atheism, because there's a few lines he says
Speaker 1: about God if you believe in that sort of thing.
Speaker 1: He talks about, you know, the magic in the hocus
Speaker 1: Pocus um, and then he says something about you know
Speaker 1: what is that the power of God or whatever? Um,
Speaker 1: But they never like he witnesses that firsthand later in
Speaker 1: the movie, and it's no or I don't know. They
Speaker 1: just sort of leave it there, which I think is
Speaker 1: the thing to do rather than have him exploring that
Speaker 1: or something. I don't think anyone wants to see that. Yeah,
Speaker 1: the story is not about his journey to faith, right right,
Speaker 1: But it could it could have been with the wrong director.
Speaker 1: Absolutely could have been that's a Chris Columbus thing to do,
Speaker 1: and that guy would have pulled it off, would have
Speaker 1: been real modeling about it. But yeah, it's ultimately about
Speaker 1: the adventure, and he's more concerned with the preservation of
Speaker 1: history than than anything. I mean, it blinds him to
Speaker 1: all the amazing things that are that are possible, even
Speaker 1: going to like he saw the ark of the Covenant
Speaker 1: and even though his eyes were closed, when he opened
Speaker 1: his eyes, everyone was gone. He heard them all screaming,
Speaker 1: and then when they opened their eyes, they were all gone,
Speaker 1: not a trace of anything, no cameras, not the genera.
Speaker 1: Everything got taken into the arc. And yet he has
Speaker 1: trouble wrapping his head around the idea that the Holy
Speaker 1: Grail might be real. Right, that is I mean, it's
Speaker 1: just because it's all about just the like, this is
Speaker 1: a historical artifact and I didn't see it, so anything
Speaker 1: could have happened, right, And somehow he and Karen Allen
Speaker 1: are able to load that onto I guess the submarine
Speaker 1: and drive that back. I was like, oh, this was
Speaker 1: everybody in that secret island base, right, that had to
Speaker 1: be everybody. How they got out of there, But they
Speaker 1: just get out of there, Washington, d C. Well, that's
Speaker 1: a great thing about these movies in those serials is
Speaker 1: you don't you know, if you get lost in those
Speaker 1: details and you're not there to have a good time.
Speaker 1: Exactly exactly. Remember I went to see um oh god,
Speaker 1: what was Hard Target? Remember Hard Target? No vis vantam
Speaker 1: that was. That was John Wu's first American film, right, okay,
Speaker 1: And he does all sorts of crazy shit in that movie,
Speaker 1: including standing on a on a running motorcycle firing a
Speaker 1: gun at people. Accurately by that part when when he
Speaker 1: goes he's and he's from He's from the the Bayous
Speaker 1: of Louisiana, which is why he has the accent in
Speaker 1: this film. And he goes to visit the family farm
Speaker 1: and he goes into a shed and opens a crate.
Speaker 1: And keep in mind that there are people in this
Speaker 1: movie theater. I'm staying there with my dad. There's two
Speaker 1: guys in front of us. They've said nothing through everything
Speaker 1: else that's happened, including the time all the doves doves
Speaker 1: appear for no reason. But he opens a crate. Exactly,
Speaker 1: He opens this crate that's had his shotgun in it
Speaker 1: for years, and he pulls out it perfectly clean shotgun
Speaker 1: and from in front of us were here, Yeah, like
Speaker 1: that shotgun would be clean, like oh we oh do
Speaker 1: we cross the line? The detail? Yeah, that was it.
Speaker 1: Oh I can't suspend my disbelief anymore now, a clean shotgun? Iculous?
Speaker 1: That's pretty funny. Was this in Philly? Yeah, of course,
Speaker 1: there's no way that shotgun would be so clean? Is
Speaker 1: that the accident? I've always kind of wondered about it
Speaker 1: about Yeah, that's that's the accent. It's very similar to
Speaker 1: Baltimore as a lot of as say, hone, it's it's
Speaker 1: water bagels attitude, my mom's his eggs that's weird, and
Speaker 1: cheese from the Deep South. It's there. You know, there's
Speaker 1: some similarities in there. Yeah. I think there's a little bit,
Speaker 1: just a little bit that's really funny. Um So, another
Speaker 1: thing that hit me today, like now that I'm an
Speaker 1: adult and I understand how films are made, it is
Speaker 1: crazy the digging sequences and how many people they had
Speaker 1: there and how many extras. I mean, it was like
Speaker 1: Lawrence of Arabia level. Uh, hundreds and hundreds of people
Speaker 1: fully costumed and wardrobe and these huge wide shots and
Speaker 1: like you know today, of course it would be so
Speaker 1: cged out. Um those snakes, Like I can't imagine the
Speaker 1: well of Soul seen today and how bad that would
Speaker 1: look with phony phony CG snakes everywhere doing weird things. Yeah,
Speaker 1: it's great that that movie was made when it was
Speaker 1: because the digital you know you saw with Crystal Skull
Speaker 1: in two thousand eight. I guess that came out that
Speaker 1: the digital stuff just didn't. It just doesn't hit the
Speaker 1: same the practical stuff hits. It's better because it's not
Speaker 1: that kind of movie, so you and you're used to
Speaker 1: seeing all practical stuff. And there's a lot of lens
Speaker 1: flare every time that art gets open or something evolved
Speaker 1: the arc like it's just like, where's that glowing like
Speaker 1: coming from God? I guess right? Or when the spirits
Speaker 1: come out and and and you see them when when
Speaker 1: it's opened on the altar. But as weird as it looks,
Speaker 1: because it's that Ghostbuster like kind of animated in but
Speaker 1: it also fits the movie. It doesn't have to be.
Speaker 1: I was watching. When I was watching it, I was
Speaker 1: thinking they could have cleaned us up. He could have
Speaker 1: he could have done a different version, and lord knows,
Speaker 1: I would bet that George Lucas wouldn't mind going in
Speaker 1: like we had better effects, right. I think it holds
Speaker 1: up pretty well though, man, I mean that stuff at
Speaker 1: the end is a little corny looking, but like you said,
Speaker 1: it works for the movie. But the scene where they're
Speaker 1: digging and that storm is coming in. But right when
Speaker 1: they get to the well of souls, I think it
Speaker 1: looks pretty good. I think it holds up. It would
Speaker 1: look a lot better than I mean, less is more.
Speaker 1: It would be so overdone today, I think with the effects. Uh.
Speaker 1: And and you know you also get that the best
Speaker 1: shot in the movie that iconic, like for the next
Speaker 1: for the rest of this episode, I could just talk
Speaker 1: about the sunset silhouette when he puts on the fedora
Speaker 1: and that shot, it's just it's iconic. It's Hollywood history
Speaker 1: right there. That's so amazing. That's so good. And you
Speaker 1: know what else is kind of an unsung hero the
Speaker 1: movie is the Matt paintings. Yeah, there are a lot
Speaker 1: of great Matt paintings in the movie, and you can
Speaker 1: see them. You know, if you've watched a bunch of
Speaker 1: movies and that you're you're kind of looking for it. Yeah,
Speaker 1: even if you're not, if you just have come to
Speaker 1: be able to to recognize those things, just to just
Speaker 1: to see, like, oh, that's a really seamless Matt painting,
Speaker 1: which I probably don't say what they say if you
Speaker 1: seen the Matt painting and raid. So it's divine. It
Speaker 1: is though it's so perfect. I remember being a kid
Speaker 1: too and thinking how like how nothing phased him. But
Speaker 1: it wasn't like again in an Ethan Hunt way, like
Speaker 1: he was never like I've got this totally under control.
Speaker 1: He was just like, this is what I do and
Speaker 1: I have to do it. Um Like he's always moving
Speaker 1: forward and not second guessing himself even when the decisions
Speaker 1: lead him down the wrong pathway, Yeah, and what and
Speaker 1: he's he is afraid for his life. There is fear there.
Speaker 1: I mean even that first of all, the whole the
Speaker 1: whole opening up to the real that entire opening not
Speaker 1: only established his character, is really a setup for the
Speaker 1: punch line of the one thing he's afraid of his
Speaker 1: snakes is a is a harmless snake in the front
Speaker 1: seat of his escape vehicle. It's such a great that's
Speaker 1: such a great character detail. And almost everything they set
Speaker 1: up at some point comes back. They set up so
Speaker 1: many things in that sequence to come back, including the snake.
Speaker 1: So I did it have to be snakes? When he
Speaker 1: has to go down into the well of souls, and
Speaker 1: the idea that Bellock is going to take always takes
Speaker 1: things from him. It is always somehow one step ahead
Speaker 1: him of him and out thinking him that comes. That
Speaker 1: comes up several times, even with Marion later on when
Speaker 1: she tries to escape from the tent by drinking him
Speaker 1: under the table you know well, which is also a
Speaker 1: payoff from the previous scene with her drinking abilities. Yes,
Speaker 1: in the novelization, Bellock, I think they knew each other
Speaker 1: in college, and he like stole his college term paper,
Speaker 1: idea or something, his dissertation. It was, it was it
Speaker 1: goes that far back, and another weird. I only remember
Speaker 1: a few things about the novelization. But another one was
Speaker 1: at the beginning when he says, uh or not at
Speaker 1: the beginning when he sees the well of souls full
Speaker 1: of snakes and his snakes, why did it have to
Speaker 1: be snakes? And that was it? And then then I
Speaker 1: don't know if they shot it and cut it. But
Speaker 1: in the novelization, he was like, I could have you know,
Speaker 1: I can deal with spiders and I could deal with this,
Speaker 1: and he like named a bunch of stuff that he's
Speaker 1: not afraid of, and it was just it was too much,
Speaker 1: you know, Like all you need is that perfect line. Yeah, exactly,
Speaker 1: it's a hat on a hat otherwise. But I guess
Speaker 1: the novelization is written after the movie, so that wouldn't
Speaker 1: make sense. You know. The the only movie novelization of
Speaker 1: ever read was was the one for Batman, which I
Speaker 1: read before the movie came out? Did you do you
Speaker 1: ever read that one? No, That's the only novelization I've
Speaker 1: read was Raiders. There's a there's a sequence in that
Speaker 1: novelization where where Bruce Wayne has to go chase the Joker,
Speaker 1: but he doesn't have his Batman outfit, so he puts
Speaker 1: on like a ski mask and then rides a horse.
Speaker 1: He chases he's the chases the Joker chases some criminals
Speaker 1: on horse, and I was so disappointed that that somehow
Speaker 1: didn't make it into the movie. I was like, what
Speaker 1: is he getting on the horse? He just stopped that
Speaker 1: bullet with the trays. He's gonna do it now. It
Speaker 1: feels like it comes now. That would be kind of cool. Well,
Speaker 1: but in costume, it'd be cool to see Batman on
Speaker 1: a horse. I think, yeah, that wasn't there a bad
Speaker 1: horse in the comics there in the sixties and the
Speaker 1: fifties and sixties, that silver age, there was a bad
Speaker 1: horse Bata ducks. Yeah, bad everything. Uh So, let me
Speaker 1: ask you a question. In the beginning with the idol,
Speaker 1: does he screw up by taking that sand out thinking
Speaker 1: he was making it the right weight or is that
Speaker 1: reading too much in it? And I think, I here's
Speaker 1: what I think in that. I think if he had
Speaker 1: left the sand in the bag, it would have it
Speaker 1: would have sunk faster because it would have been too heavy.
Speaker 1: Oh okay, I guess so, so he didn't take enough
Speaker 1: out maybe maybe, or he took a little bit too
Speaker 1: much out so it was too light. And that was
Speaker 1: why they're like, oh this, wait's not right now, We're
Speaker 1: gonna sink. If you put something heavy on it, it it
Speaker 1: should sink right away. Right. I love how you just
Speaker 1: said they and they were who's who's that? Who's operating
Speaker 1: this old scheme? The imagineers that that built that built
Speaker 1: a series of traps. They're like, oh, what if we
Speaker 1: had something with sunlight, that would be good. And then
Speaker 1: you know they'll step on on the squares and that'll
Speaker 1: trigger the darts. But for the weight, what happens if
Speaker 1: it's too light? And then they that was a whole day. Yeah,
Speaker 1: And Spielberg came in and said, it doesn't matter. The
Speaker 1: thing's gonna lower no matter what. I don't care. Um.
Speaker 1: I wonder where that market that I was wondering today
Speaker 1: with the Ark of the Covenant prop ended up. It's
Speaker 1: in a It's in a movie prop house and unmarked
Speaker 1: crate with a munch of other mark crates that have
Speaker 1: other movie props and very nice. That could be the
Speaker 1: only place I just thought about something with just the
Speaker 1: conception of it and planning of it. You ever seemed
Speaker 1: the documentary about the making of The Phantom Menace that
Speaker 1: was on the initial DVD release, it's like two and
Speaker 1: a half hours long, and it's kind of a Hearts
Speaker 1: of Darkness in some parts because you can tell in
Speaker 1: the editing that that they've made mistakes and that they
Speaker 1: knew that it wasn't as good as they thought it
Speaker 1: could be. But there's a point where Spielberg comes to
Speaker 1: visit and Lucas is giving him a tour and they're
Speaker 1: looking at the Battle of Nebou like a model rendering
Speaker 1: of it, and and Georgia is like, you know, and
Speaker 1: all these people are gonna come on and fight, and
Speaker 1: then uh, Spielberg responses warm peace, literally warm peace. And
Speaker 1: then they go back and forth for for too long,
Speaker 1: saying it's gonna be great, It's gonna be great, it's
Speaker 1: gonna be great. Yeah, it's gonna be great, but back
Speaker 1: and forth like it was a wonder shows and segment
Speaker 1: like back like just so long, too much, Like if
Speaker 1: they hadn't had to be a work, they might still
Speaker 1: be there to this day. Award, Oh man, that's funny.
Speaker 1: And now I only want to hear a podcast with
Speaker 1: you as Lucas and Spielberg, just like over lunch or something,
Speaker 1: talking about their soup. It's literally read to it. Oh man,
Speaker 1: it's so good. Um, you know you're talking about the
Speaker 1: pace of the movie, which really like it kind of
Speaker 1: really picks up halfway through the film. Halfway through the
Speaker 1: film they find the Ark of the Covenant, which is
Speaker 1: kind of weird, like you would think. I mean, I
Speaker 1: don't know if it quite qualifies as mcguffin. Maybe it
Speaker 1: does Um does it you think? I think so, Yeah,
Speaker 1: it's the thing everybody's chasing after. But like it's so early,
Speaker 1: it's like revealed so early, and they've got it, and
Speaker 1: that's like when that the action it's so relentless from
Speaker 1: that point forward. It's really the only downtime you have
Speaker 1: is the boat scene, you know, the love scene. Um,
Speaker 1: but every I mean the he really puts his foot
Speaker 1: the gas in the second half and third act of
Speaker 1: that movie in such a way that it's just it's,
Speaker 1: you know, there's an exhilaration, like this is a movie
Speaker 1: that when they have screenings, people are like standing up
Speaker 1: and cheering still with some of these sequences that they've
Speaker 1: seen dozens of times. Yeah, you know, it's it shifts.
Speaker 1: It's the it's a treasure hunting movie until they find
Speaker 1: the treasure, and then it becomes a cartoon sequence of
Speaker 1: I'm running with the football and then you stiff arm me,
Speaker 1: and then you grab the football and run the other way,
Speaker 1: and then I grab it and go this way. So
Speaker 1: they're still fighting over it, and we don't know. I
Speaker 1: don't think we find out until way later, until we're
Speaker 1: at the base that he's that Bellocks intending to open
Speaker 1: it and film it because the German guys like, I
Speaker 1: don't want to grow this Jewish thing. And he's like, oh,
Speaker 1: you want to just take it to Berlin and open
Speaker 1: it up and it's empty and see what sort of
Speaker 1: tested out again a logical way to manipulate the Nazis
Speaker 1: into agreeing to all right, we're gonna film this and
Speaker 1: send it. And not only in that it logically not
Speaker 1: only does that give give Hitler proof, but it gives
Speaker 1: them propaganda because they have it filmed. That's right. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I never really thought about that, and that that is
Speaker 1: a very key line too. They say that he was
Speaker 1: he wanted to test it out first, give it a
Speaker 1: test run before he brought it to Hitler. Yeah, which
Speaker 1: also and see what it can do. Well a lot
Speaker 1: for this great ending and this sort of kind of
Speaker 1: you know, it became a full on horror movie there
Speaker 1: in the last few minutes. And um and it also
Speaker 1: like people talk about inglorious bastards being this like you know,
Speaker 1: one of this this great revisionist history Jewish revenge film.
Speaker 1: Now there was an actual Jewish director that made that.
Speaker 1: He got to melt and blow up the heads of
Speaker 1: Nazis as as someone uh as as a Jew myself
Speaker 1: watching it, I I really indulged in that this time,
Speaker 1: in that like, oh, it's a it's a real feat
Speaker 1: to kill this many characters at once and not feel bad,
Speaker 1: Like you're so glad to see every single person die.
Speaker 1: So when when Bellock fires the lightning or or his
Speaker 1: energy out of his eyes, and it's yeah, he kills
Speaker 1: all those people, then his head explodes. Meanwhile, the two
Speaker 1: may Nazis, their faces have melted and they're all and
Speaker 1: even before that, they were all terror. So they don't
Speaker 1: they get no moment of peace before their death. It's
Speaker 1: just terror, terror, terror, suffering, suffering, suffering death, And you're like, oh, good,
Speaker 1: that's fewer Nazis. I'm so glad, so happy to see
Speaker 1: it's that's definitely a running thing for Spielberg. I also
Speaker 1: think that, uh, I also like Includius Passard's as a
Speaker 1: piece of of Jewish revenge porn, but I agree that
Speaker 1: Spielberg doing it has a little bit more weight behind it.
Speaker 1: Was Yeah, I didn't remember that Belak's head exploded until today.
Speaker 1: I kind of just remembering everyone melting because that's such
Speaker 1: an iconic thing. When tote melts and the other guy melts,
Speaker 1: but he full on scanners head explosion. Yeah, they don't.
Speaker 1: They don't shy away from the blood now in the
Speaker 1: movie at all, even when when Indie gets shot in
Speaker 1: the arm during the during the truck chase, splatters all
Speaker 1: over the windshield. Yeah. That fucking guy I remember in
Speaker 1: the theater when I was a kid, like that guy
Speaker 1: is actually kind of getting the best of him. He
Speaker 1: was like, he can't. This blonde german like no name
Speaker 1: German is not going to get him. And then uh,
Speaker 1: I distinctly remember being a ten years old and when
Speaker 1: he finally goes under the truck, losing my mind. I
Speaker 1: had never seen a stunt like that. It didn't occur
Speaker 1: to me as a ten year old, like when you
Speaker 1: look closely, the truck's going like, you know, nine miles
Speaker 1: an hour, but like that that sequence blew my mind.
Speaker 1: When he goes under the truck and then is dragged
Speaker 1: behind it with the whip and then gets back and
Speaker 1: does the same thing to that guy. It's just like
Speaker 1: I remember, I felt like my head was exploding. It's
Speaker 1: so good, it's so amazing. And that was the stunt
Speaker 1: guy that was his idea. Oh was it that he
Speaker 1: wanted to do? He's like, what can I do this? Yes,
Speaker 1: I watched I watched a little special on the stunts
Speaker 1: of Indiana Jones after I watched the movie, and that
Speaker 1: was one of the things that Spielberg said. He was like,
Speaker 1: that was the stunt guy's idea. He gave us that
Speaker 1: whole sequence, which which is amazing, Like they can build
Speaker 1: build around it. Yeah, I mean that whole chascene was
Speaker 1: just from from start to finish, is just amazing. He
Speaker 1: starts out on a horse, which is so cool to
Speaker 1: see him when he rides through all those people, like
Speaker 1: you know, sucking five thousand people and they're all cheering
Speaker 1: him on, and uh, you know, everyone's always kind of
Speaker 1: on his side in general, unless they have been co
Speaker 1: opted by the Nazis. Like he pulls he pulls the
Speaker 1: truck in and somehow those people know like parking this
Speaker 1: garage and then we're gonna immediately cover for you as
Speaker 1: if it was pre planned. Like, don't ask any questions,
Speaker 1: movie goer, This is just a great sequence. It feels
Speaker 1: like a sala. That's something solid did who we haven't
Speaker 1: even talked about this whole time. Yeah, let's talk about Sala.
Speaker 1: Oh wait, before we talk about Sala. In that scene
Speaker 1: when when he hides in the thing, I never noticed
Speaker 1: this until day and the Nazi car pulls up and
Speaker 1: they come up in there like offering the melons in
Speaker 1: the car, and the one not seen the back gets
Speaker 1: mad and throws the melon. You hear a dog yelp. Yes,
Speaker 1: I never noticed that today until today. He throws the
Speaker 1: melon out. You hear. It's almost like a Wilhelm scream
Speaker 1: level like get like audio gag. It's the Wilheul scream
Speaker 1: for dogs. It really is. I mean they I wish
Speaker 1: they had had that both in there. You know, the
Speaker 1: Wilhelm scream scream is chev Willy, right, I mean I
Speaker 1: knew that at one point. Stuff you should know to
Speaker 1: get the kind of a short thing on it. Yeah,
Speaker 1: that's crazy. At it's such a great such a great screen.
Speaker 1: I think he used it a few I think it's
Speaker 1: used at least three or four times in Raiders. In Raiders,
Speaker 1: I didn't pick it out. It's always very subtle. There's
Speaker 1: one in the car sequence, for sure, there is. Yeah,
Speaker 1: it's always such a nice little thing. That's beautiful, you know. Yeah,
Speaker 1: it's very things about movies in movie history is that
Speaker 1: this this like long running joke that people throw in there.
Speaker 1: It's just it makes me smile every time. Yes, it's
Speaker 1: a high five to the audience. Totally. Um yeah, let's
Speaker 1: talk Soloh. I mean, one of the great characters. One
Speaker 1: of my favorite parts of is Uh that always gets
Speaker 1: me is how happy he is when he gets a
Speaker 1: little kiss from Karen al and he walks away singing
Speaker 1: that song. It's just so great. His his Gilbert and Sullivan,
Speaker 1: which they paid off because before I think it was
Speaker 1: when they were digging that he was he was saying it.
Speaker 1: He sings it at another point, and he really likes
Speaker 1: one of those Indiana Jones. I don't. I don't agree
Speaker 1: with the with the the idea that the movie would
Speaker 1: be the exact same without him, But I do think
Speaker 1: that he would not be successful without everybody around him,
Speaker 1: because he relies a lot on luck almost every major
Speaker 1: battle except for what he shoots the swordsman, I mean,
Speaker 1: even the plain thing. The only reason the guy, the
Speaker 1: only reason he wins the fight is the guy doesn't
Speaker 1: notice the propeller is coming towards him until it's too late.
Speaker 1: So Yeah, the other one loses. Sali saves him multiple times,
Speaker 1: including in the bar when he's drunk, by sending all
Speaker 1: his kids in. Sends his kids in to surround him
Speaker 1: bad dates. Yes, of course. So he's such a competent,
Speaker 1: he's he's a good friend, a loyal friend, and and
Speaker 1: really really competent. It's important that you realize that Indiana
Speaker 1: Jones has a network of people that really care about him,
Speaker 1: and that that's what helps That's what helps him survive. Salves.
Speaker 1: Salves the only reason that he's even able to find that,
Speaker 1: you know, able to find an access the well of souls. Yeah,
Speaker 1: what's in it for him? I never really thought about that.
Speaker 1: What a solid get out of this? Does he get
Speaker 1: a little piece of the action? Ultimately? I don't know.
Speaker 1: I don't know if there's a piece of the action
Speaker 1: for him to get, because well, I guess there is money.
Speaker 1: There was a money, Uh there was. I would assume
Speaker 1: there's I was. I would assume there's some money for it.
Speaker 1: But also they obviously have a long history together. If
Speaker 1: he's a digger, Indiana Jones is an archaeologist, like they know,
Speaker 1: the first time he comes to MS for information on
Speaker 1: what's happening? Yeah, I don't remember. Was he in Young
Speaker 1: Indiana Jones? Why do I feel? I mean I saw that.
Speaker 1: I only watched the so in Harrison Ford was in it,
Speaker 1: and I fast forwarded it to the part where he
Speaker 1: was at it. I taped it and then watched it later. Really,
Speaker 1: I just wanted to see I just wanted to see
Speaker 1: Harrison Ford. I just want to see bearded Indie uh show.
Speaker 1: And for some reason, I'm remembering a young Salo like
Speaker 1: they had always been friends or something. But I might
Speaker 1: be dreaming that up. That would make sense. I mean,
Speaker 1: Sali seems like somebody who would have been educated elsewhere,
Speaker 1: so their paths could have crossed in in any number
Speaker 1: of ways. But there's beyond, obviously beyond a personal professional
Speaker 1: relationship there because of the care with which sale Hands
Speaker 1: always says, this is these aren't my friends, this is
Speaker 1: my family. Yeah, so I'm gonna know if anything happens
Speaker 1: that in ASPS very dangerous. I love that part, very dangerous,
Speaker 1: like he knows that he's very scared already. Yeah. This
Speaker 1: is also a movie too, like kind of with the
Speaker 1: stormtrooper bonking his head like the plexiglass that you can
Speaker 1: see in the Cobra scene. It's it's great. It's like
Speaker 1: I think that adds to the legend of these movies.
Speaker 1: You know, a little goof here and there is fun
Speaker 1: and you don't know. You wouldn't know if you if
Speaker 1: you hadn't been informed that it happened after the fact.
Speaker 1: I don't think it's something that you you get. So
Speaker 1: it's to the film's credit into Star Wars too, that
Speaker 1: it's it's a minor mess up. Yeah, it's easy to
Speaker 1: miss because you're so invested in everything else that's happening.
Speaker 1: I never saw the Star Wars when the first twenty
Speaker 1: times I saw it, I mean until the Internet showed
Speaker 1: me the same thing, and it's so obvious. Once you
Speaker 1: see it, you can't and see it. You're like, how
Speaker 1: did I miss that? You're so into it. Yeah. You
Speaker 1: at that point, you've seen everything else that's happening in
Speaker 1: that scene. You've looked at every detail. You've looked the
Speaker 1: panels on the wall, the designs with the floor, everything,
Speaker 1: so you can just concentrate on that poor guy that
Speaker 1: smacked his head into the doorframe. Um, as you get
Speaker 1: towards the end, I think there is one important shot too.
Speaker 1: That's so easy to kind of forget about when it shows.
Speaker 1: It's a little bit of a you know, uh nugget
Speaker 1: for things to come. Is when this God burns the
Speaker 1: swastika off of the crate. Yes, And I never kind
Speaker 1: of really thought about that shot until today. I was like, man,
Speaker 1: that's a really that's an important shot because basically what
Speaker 1: it's saying is God is real. There's some supernatural or
Speaker 1: whatever biblical stuff that's gonna go down and and he
Speaker 1: and he hates Nazis. Yes, I have that exact same
Speaker 1: thought that God hates Nazis and mice. Those two things
Speaker 1: can't stand them. That can't stand because or or maybe
Speaker 1: it's just yeah, like if if if this Nazi, if
Speaker 1: this swastika burning is is a rock and don't come
Speaker 1: a knocking. Maybe they just were too close when that
Speaker 1: energy was being released, like oh, just meant to get
Speaker 1: this stuff on the outside, the printed stuff, did I kill?
Speaker 1: Did I do it again? Can we sweep them away?
Speaker 1: I don't want people to think it's because of me.
Speaker 1: I love all my creatures, great and small. They're all mine.
Speaker 1: Oh good, that's very good. Um, well, I guess let's
Speaker 1: talk about that very end. You know, it's sort of
Speaker 1: I remember even being a kid and seeing the Washington
Speaker 1: scene and the and the you know, the bureaucracy and uh,
Speaker 1: you know they're fools, their fools. I remember that impacting
Speaker 1: me as a kid, like I kind of got it,
Speaker 1: and it's something that resonates much more as an adult.
Speaker 1: I think of like, of course, this is what would happen.
Speaker 1: It's in some warehouse and next to the the Roswell
Speaker 1: aliens or whatever. Yes, the military ticket. Of course, the
Speaker 1: people who said, oh, we just want to take care
Speaker 1: of it. Ultimately, people in power when they have when
Speaker 1: there is a a weapon or something available, they had
Speaker 1: to turn it over to be studied. They're gonna take
Speaker 1: it like, oh it's ours now, so it's gonna be
Speaker 1: become property of the U. S. Army. We're just gonna
Speaker 1: hide it away from what we needed. And that that
Speaker 1: was kind of an interesting thing to have come back
Speaker 1: in Crystal Skull and it starts in that warehouse and
Speaker 1: they're looking for for that the arc is there. That's
Speaker 1: it was kind of a neat thing. I don't think
Speaker 1: it was particularly well executed, unfortunately, but but kind of
Speaker 1: neat and it The great part about that is the
Speaker 1: ending of the movie is that you know that's not
Speaker 1: the end of the story, and so you're gonna wonder
Speaker 1: that this chapter is complete. There's nothing left for him
Speaker 1: to do. He's not gonna break into the warehouse and
Speaker 1: steal the arc so we can take it to a
Speaker 1: museum elsewhere in the United States. Right, Yeah, there's something like, oh,
Speaker 1: this could this, this could continue. Who knows what's going
Speaker 1: to happen next with that arc? Well, will somebody ever
Speaker 1: find it as it now lost the time? Who was
Speaker 1: it actually? What if it was actually in a warehouse somewhere?
Speaker 1: What if this was true? I mean, I kind it
Speaker 1: when they did Crystal Skull. I remember thinking it was
Speaker 1: so poorly executed. I remember leaving and thinking they could
Speaker 1: bring back the ark, Like, I don't think that would
Speaker 1: be a hackneyed thing to do, and I think Lucas
Speaker 1: and Spielberg probably do think that it would be like
Speaker 1: we've already done that. But I'm like, I don't know, man,
Speaker 1: it's in that warehouse, bring it back? Yeah, I think
Speaker 1: they I think in trying to shift it to something
Speaker 1: that would have been made more in the was it
Speaker 1: the fifties? That that sort of killed it. It It didn't
Speaker 1: have that same spirit, didn't have it didn't have that
Speaker 1: serialized adventure of spirit that the first three had because
Speaker 1: they were trying I think they were, Yeah, they're trying
Speaker 1: to shift it to like it's a monster movie. It's
Speaker 1: subtly a monster movie for the fifties about aliens, except
Speaker 1: all the alien stuff is real weird and even like
Speaker 1: the some carra stones were looked better to me, these three,
Speaker 1: like carved potatoes, were more interesting as an object to
Speaker 1: go after. Then then what looks like something that you
Speaker 1: could get in hot topic? Yeah, like, oh this is
Speaker 1: this is something I got kid puts on their coffee
Speaker 1: table to seem interesting. Yeah, oh man, that's so good. Um,
Speaker 1: you know that last shot, like again as a kid,
Speaker 1: I remember it's it's still one of the to me,
Speaker 1: one of the greatest last shots ever in movies. Is
Speaker 1: that big warehouse Matt painting another great Matt painting, beautiful
Speaker 1: Matt painting, and uh this you know, nameless custodian who
Speaker 1: just wheels it in there. I'm sure they are probably
Speaker 1: Easter eggs in that warehouse that I don't know about,
Speaker 1: like labeled labeled rates that are kind of fun. I
Speaker 1: know R two D two and C three po and
Speaker 1: Leia are hieroglyphics in the Well of Souls. Yes, and
Speaker 1: that's kind of a fun little thing. But um and again,
Speaker 1: I think C three po and and R two d
Speaker 1: to appear again in Yeah in um In Oh my gosh,
Speaker 1: Blast said, oh they did also, and when he's when
Speaker 1: in Venice, I think they're there as well. Okay, that's
Speaker 1: kind of fun. And then Jaws was on the was
Speaker 1: on the Close Encounter ship stuck into the suck into
Speaker 1: the mother ship. Yeah, there's the Jaws in there somewhere.
Speaker 1: How do we know that? Rather, it's one of those
Speaker 1: just facts that comes around. I can't verify this. No,
Speaker 1: you can see it though on the design of the movie.
Speaker 1: Know if you can see it or not. If it's
Speaker 1: just something they stuck on there for Spielberg. Okay, but
Speaker 1: apparently that's the rumor. That's another great one. That's what
Speaker 1: I heard. I'm gonna Matt paint it in if not,
Speaker 1: I always want I love that last scene to when
Speaker 1: they're when they're talking about the um the ark being
Speaker 1: stuffed away or whatever. But I always wanted a band
Speaker 1: called Top Men and I thought it would be one
Speaker 1: of the one of the great sort of low key
Speaker 1: movie reference. Like very few people. A few people would
Speaker 1: get that, but some people you'd be like, dude, top
Speaker 1: men Di from Raiders, We've got to men on it
Speaker 1: all The hardcore fans wear fedoras to your shows, right
Speaker 1: there is. I do love the the juxtaposition of this
Speaker 1: world changing radio to God that has been relegated to
Speaker 1: a crate being pushed by, like you said, by nobody,
Speaker 1: and now it's sitting with a bunch of those boxes
Speaker 1: could have nothing inside them. It's not necessarily you know
Speaker 1: Mr Mcgourreaan's wonder Emporium of of priceless powerful artifacts, but
Speaker 1: that that's their top manager. They're just gonna hide it
Speaker 1: away so that nobody else can have it. But I
Speaker 1: would love to see a series. I think of an
Speaker 1: interesting series Disney plus tell me is is the group
Speaker 1: of scientists that the army people who would have had
Speaker 1: to experiment at some point they had to do something
Speaker 1: with it. Yeah there, I mean, they were trying to
Speaker 1: take et and for the same reasons you know you're
Speaker 1: gonna it's at some point someone's going to poke around
Speaker 1: that arc. That's right, you know, Oh, I know I'm
Speaker 1: wondering when you know, my daughter's five and a half
Speaker 1: and I'm today. I was thinking like could she watch
Speaker 1: this with me? And I. After I watched, I was like,
Speaker 1: oh lord, no, like there's so many I mean, she's
Speaker 1: not scared easily, and she very much gets its stuff
Speaker 1: is make believe she's seen some stuff like that by
Speaker 1: accident when I'm playing video games and she's like, oh
Speaker 1: you cut that guy set off. But I don't know.
Speaker 1: It just it felt a little too much. And I
Speaker 1: was thinking about E. T two, like good movie, but
Speaker 1: it's like my wife was asking like when do we
Speaker 1: show her that? Like, well, whenever we want her to
Speaker 1: see the saddest thing ever happened in a movie. I mean,
Speaker 1: that's the deal with ET. It's just sucking, heartbreaking. Yeah,
Speaker 1: let's watch an alien make a latch key kids life
Speaker 1: more interesting. No, I went to I was five when
Speaker 1: I went to see it, because it came out in
Speaker 1: I was born seventy seven. It came out in two,
Speaker 1: and I remember walking out of the theater and my
Speaker 1: mom I thought that I think I said out loud,
Speaker 1: like I thought it was okay. I didn't love it
Speaker 1: two stars. Very it was very underwhelmed. My favorite part
Speaker 1: of it was that he had Star Wars figures because
Speaker 1: he had hammer Head and I didn't have that. I
Speaker 1: didn't have a hammer Head alright, But now I I've
Speaker 1: I've come to appreciate it a lot more. I think
Speaker 1: at five, I wasn't ready. Yeah, probably so I didn't.
Speaker 1: If I had been just a little older, if I'd
Speaker 1: been closer to Elliott's age, I think I would have
Speaker 1: identified with Elliott. But I was identifying more with Rew Barry. Yeah,
Speaker 1: with Gertie's kind of cute, but I mean, yeah, I'm fine.
Speaker 1: What do I know about cute? I love the yarn
Speaker 1: in her hair. You know, a girl with yarn in
Speaker 1: her hair? For five year old me, I thought it
Speaker 1: was very cute. All Right, dude, this is a lot
Speaker 1: of fun. I think we did it. This is bleast.
Speaker 1: Thank you so much for having me on. Yeah, man,
Speaker 1: thanks for coming on. And I'm gonna hold you to
Speaker 1: uh hold you to it to have me on your show.
Speaker 1: For sure. I will email you the list. I'll do it.
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