Speaker 1: You're doing me right.
Speaker 2: Another complimentary.
Speaker 3: Oh la signor.
Speaker 2: I don't know what I said there, Hey you doing everybody,
Speaker 2: Welcome to Hot Mike's from Maine.
Speaker 3: Supposed to have another week off of vacation, just said, no,
Speaker 3: this isn't work a little my doing. I'm like, I
Speaker 3: need it. I need a week off.
Speaker 2: No, I don't need a week off.
Speaker 3: This is this is what is uh fun. I'm on
Speaker 3: vacation every day with you. Gotta talk about the wedding.
Speaker 3: I've been chopping at the bit to talk about the wedding. Okay.
Speaker 3: Daily Mail New York Posts tried to float a little
Speaker 3: reconciliation between Taylor Swift and Blake Lively. Uh no, ooh,
Speaker 3: lots of sources say in there. I think that's just
Speaker 3: a hunt for subscribers, trying to get people, you know,
Speaker 3: hooked on something.
Speaker 2: It's a bunch of bullshit.
Speaker 3: Do you care about the wedding?
Speaker 2: We're gonna talk about it.
Speaker 3: Our great friend Melanie Little will be with us, the
Speaker 3: Queen of Strong Island. If Lovin Melanie Little is wrong.
Speaker 2: I don't want to be right. Did you know that
Speaker 2: she and I went to the prom together? We did?
Speaker 2: We have a prom photo but we'll share that.
Speaker 3: I'm gonna share the prom photo of Melanie and not
Speaker 3: but I just maybe not yet, maybe soon.
Speaker 2: How bad was the Blake snub? Right? Uh? Pretty bad?
Speaker 3: Do you have space for her rehabilitation eventually? Could you
Speaker 3: let her back into your good graces? Is there a
Speaker 3: scenario where that could work? And also regarding the Taylor
Speaker 3: Swift wedding, what the hell is Brad Pitt doing there?
Speaker 3: I just I don't understand the massive amount on the
Speaker 3: celebrities that were there. But first, I'm obsessed with the
Speaker 3: World Cup? And do you believe in miracles? Have you
Speaker 3: seen that Fox promo where Mike Ruzione from the Miracle
Speaker 3: on Ice nineteen eighty hockey team is sitting at a
Speaker 3: bar and these two overhears, these two guys talking.
Speaker 2: Like you think we could win? You think the US
Speaker 2: could win?
Speaker 3: Yeah? It's like why do you buy a lottery ticket
Speaker 3: because maybe you could win? Maybe?
Speaker 2: And why not?
Speaker 3: We're sixteen teams, you know, sixteen teams now could go
Speaker 3: to eight down of four. Maybe we look pretty good.
Speaker 3: It's bringing us together in a beautiful way. I don't
Speaker 3: think any country needed this more than our own. How
Speaker 3: is it that a global soccer tournament does more for
Speaker 3: foreign relations than the United Nations. We crave the interconnectedness,
Speaker 3: don't we. To me, it's like I see, you know,
Speaker 3: crowds of people singing Country Road by John Denver and
Speaker 3: Sweet Caroline, and you know the Norse rowers ru the
Speaker 3: bagpipes in Boston, the barbecue and Dallas.
Speaker 2: I mean, it's all so good.
Speaker 3: This long. I don't know if AI or who is it,
Speaker 3: but some dude, and it's just.
Speaker 2: The world is hanging out of our bar windows.
Speaker 3: They're hugging, they're eating food they've never had before. They
Speaker 3: were told it was terrible. They were told America's total shit,
Speaker 3: America two fifty on the mall not great. The World
Speaker 3: Cup is everything we need to celebrate the world. Celebrating
Speaker 3: America is a lot. Goes a lot further with me
Speaker 3: than you know, us doing it. I like to see
Speaker 3: people realize we're good.
Speaker 2: We're good people again.
Speaker 3: Blake Lively, Taylor Swift coming up in a little minute here.
Speaker 3: But the big beautiful blonde that I'm into right now
Speaker 3: is Airling Holland. Airling Holland the modern day Viking.
Speaker 2: This guy is so fabulous.
Speaker 3: He is one great, big stud yesterday.
Speaker 2: Look at this guy.
Speaker 3: Norway versus Brazil, a huge upset. This dude scores two goals.
Speaker 3: His dancing, his his his antics. He is big and
Speaker 3: strong and he comes running at you and you shit
Speaker 3: your pants. After the match, he's doing the rue, the
Speaker 3: big Norse row, which.
Speaker 2: Is I read all about.
Speaker 3: It starts slow, they go boom boom through.
Speaker 2: And then it picks up case.
Speaker 3: And it's about as cool as you could get.
Speaker 2: And they're doing this thing. You know, look at this.
Speaker 3: The Norwegian military is sending in videos doing this. It's
Speaker 3: like the Icelandic thunderclap years ago, and the claps would
Speaker 3: get louder and louder. Some guy developed this. His name
Speaker 3: is Julia freusta burned stubburb of Osla, and he had
Speaker 3: a bunch of chants and things worked out and this
Speaker 3: was influenced by the thunderclap and then they put this
Speaker 3: thing together.
Speaker 2: And Norway hasn't been in.
Speaker 3: The World Cup since nineteen ninety eight, it's been twenty
Speaker 3: eight years. And now they're like, I mean, they just
Speaker 3: upset Brazil. It's exciting. Everyone's a soccer expert. And then
Speaker 3: of course we've got the big issue of our game tonight,
Speaker 3: flow Balligan. Our striker is back in. The red card
Speaker 3: was given out Saturday. Yeah, brings out the back of
Speaker 3: his legs. What do you guys think about this? Uh,
Speaker 3: you know, we almost had a major event in this
Speaker 3: country that did not involve Trump, and yet now of
Speaker 3: course he's deeply involved. Uh, he found his way in.
Speaker 3: I mean, the man likes to be the center of attention.
Speaker 3: But FIFA reversed the call for the red card after
Speaker 3: saying there is no recourse. That's it, America, the decisions,
Speaker 3: the decision. America does not get flow Balligan. He'll be
Speaker 3: on the bench for the game. Trump makes a phone
Speaker 3: called the Jiohnny Infantino, the the the head of FIFA,
Speaker 3: and you know, he asked him to reverse the call
Speaker 3: or look at it, and he did. I personally would
Speaker 3: like to hear this guy come forward and say Trump's
Speaker 3: phone call to me had nothing to do with it.
Speaker 3: We were looking at the call anyway, because the greater
Speaker 3: outrage is the fact that there was a red card
Speaker 3: in the first place. Every expert, every coach, every retired referee,
Speaker 3: everybody anywhere said it's the worst call ever, and the
Speaker 3: ref did not There was no foul called on the field.
Speaker 3: He saw the guy go down, so then he decides
Speaker 3: to go over and watch through var video assisted referee
Speaker 3: and watching it in slow motion.
Speaker 2: Anything you watch.
Speaker 3: In slow motion looks a little bit more dramatic. You're
Speaker 3: not supposed to view on field collisions in slow mo.
Speaker 2: It's totally tainted. So they make the call.
Speaker 3: This guy right here, Raphael Klaus, the Brazilian referee. Actually,
Speaker 3: and when you come to Brazil and corrupt, believe you know,
Speaker 3: memories of sweet Ryan what's his name, Ryan Lochte, the swimmer,
Speaker 3: I mean twenty sixteen. You know, the corruption is deep.
Speaker 3: But anyway, this guy makes a terrible flow. Bellagan isn't
Speaker 3: even looking at him, he's looking the other way. This
Speaker 3: happened in natural contact. So they reversed the call, and
Speaker 3: everything's going so well in the World Cup.
Speaker 2: My heart is full.
Speaker 3: I love these people. I love that they're here. It
Speaker 3: makes me like so happy, and now I feel you know,
Speaker 3: there's people like the Norwegian coach, you know.
Speaker 4: Stal Solabakan. He says it's bad, bad, bad, bad bad
Speaker 4: that FIFA reversed this call. It's a shitty system, but
Speaker 4: at least it's the system. I will say this again,
Speaker 4: what's really bad is the call in the first place.
Speaker 4: And before the World Cup, in the qualifying rounds they
Speaker 4: did reverse a red card on behalf of Ronaldo from Portugal.
Speaker 4: They've never done it in the World Cup. But so what,
Speaker 4: it was a terrible call, and you should have a
Speaker 4: system for you know, checks and balances on a referee
Speaker 4: that is looking at slow motion on something that wasn't
Speaker 4: even a foul called on the field.
Speaker 2: That's terrible.
Speaker 3: So the greater outrage to me is the original call.
Speaker 3: I am a little bummed out that the world who's loving,
Speaker 3: you know, our barbecue and all that shit, is sitting
Speaker 3: there going America. You know, America pulled.
Speaker 2: The Trump card, if you will.
Speaker 3: Some people wish Trump just shut the hell up, didn't
Speaker 3: get involved, and somehow we won without flow Balligan. I
Speaker 3: just don't think we're good enough to win without everything
Speaker 3: we got.
Speaker 2: So I'm ready to move right past it and go nuts.
Speaker 3: I hope it doesn't taint a victory if we get
Speaker 3: one tonight for anyone else. Belgium of course, got to
Speaker 3: file their complaint this morning. We're playing them at eight
Speaker 3: o'clock Eastern time tonight. They got the file their complaint.
Speaker 3: We'll see what happens where it goes. I don't think
Speaker 3: the guy's gonna reverse. And you know, Johnny Infantino of
Speaker 3: FIFA is going to reverse himself again. I think this
Speaker 3: one goes for Trump. So he may be a bully,
Speaker 3: but he's our bully and somebody needed to make this
Speaker 3: thing right.
Speaker 2: Anyway, Let's talk about the wedding.
Speaker 3: There's more people do FIFA every day because I'm so
Speaker 3: into it. But let's talk about the wedding. My great
Speaker 3: friend Melanie Little is with us. We love Melanie. She
Speaker 3: I'm sure probably has a thought or two on the
Speaker 3: uh on the wedding of Taylor Swift.
Speaker 2: In fact, I'm surprised you weren't invited.
Speaker 1: Hello, my love, Hi honey, I'm surprised you weren't invited. Actually,
Speaker 1: I know.
Speaker 3: It's amazing. People say that to me. They're like, were
Speaker 3: you at the wedding? And I'm like, the fuck it
Speaker 3: means just because I mean no, I mean, I'm not
Speaker 3: like friends with Taylor's I'd like to be friends with
Speaker 3: Travis Glzy.
Speaker 1: Well, you were busy skinny dipping I saw or is
Speaker 1: that a body double?
Speaker 3: Those are like fifteen year old buns. Those are fifteen
Speaker 3: years ago. Those aren't modern day buns. I have to
Speaker 3: be I have to you know.
Speaker 1: Oh, you're pulling the catfish out? Hello on Instagram?
Speaker 2: I mean held up. I've held up? Okay, Uh, what
Speaker 2: do you think about a pull?
Speaker 3: It's seventy eight degrees in New York I mean, excuse me.
Speaker 3: Zorn Mamdani is saying, everybody keep your aces to seventy eight.
Speaker 3: There's a heat wave going on in the city. You know,
Speaker 3: there's people out burning their asses off. And Madison Square Garden,
Speaker 3: home of the Knicks, is got the AC pumping. It's
Speaker 3: shut down. The streets are closed all around it.
Speaker 2: All for.
Speaker 3: A wedding on the fourth of July, basically, which is
Speaker 3: some people are up in arms about it.
Speaker 2: What do you think?
Speaker 1: Why are they mad about it? Why are they mad
Speaker 1: about it?
Speaker 3: Listen?
Speaker 1: It's the most secure place in New York City. Right
Speaker 1: If you're gonna get married somewhere and you want to
Speaker 1: keep the paparazzi in the drones away, Madison Square Garden
Speaker 1: is the best choice because the security is already in place.
Speaker 1: The place is locked down. Like Fort Knox. You got
Speaker 1: places where people can come in without being seen. They
Speaker 1: were pulling the suburbans underneath the tent so the celebrities
Speaker 1: could get out, kept the paparazzi away. They had a
Speaker 1: police detail closed off the streets, paid for the permits.
Speaker 1: I love it. I love everything about it. I'm so
Speaker 1: happy for her.
Speaker 3: We surprised that some of the more more celebrities, more
Speaker 3: big stars than the oscars. I mean, we know Bradley
Speaker 3: Cooper and you know, and who's tight with her because
Speaker 3: of Gigi had died and all of that. But Steven Spielberg,
Speaker 3: you know, is in the house Brad Pitt And he looked,
Speaker 3: there's Brad Pitt in the back of the car with
Speaker 3: his girlfriend in Essda Ramon. Fucking Hugh Grant, Like what
Speaker 3: is g How does see no Taylor Swift or Travis Kelsey.
Speaker 3: It just seems like publicists were inviting clients of their
Speaker 3: other publicists.
Speaker 1: And yet they kept the paparazzi out. So like the
Speaker 1: only reason we saw I think he was Hugh Grant
Speaker 1: was the first one to get there and the first
Speaker 1: one to leave. He was the only one really caught
Speaker 1: outside walking down the street other than Bradley Cooper walking
Speaker 1: down the street to get into the the black car
Speaker 1: with they got some shots to him.
Speaker 3: I mean, why he's there.
Speaker 2: I'm trying to find the connection.
Speaker 3: What what what is the connection?
Speaker 1: Yeah, I don't know. I didn't know that Brad Pitt
Speaker 1: was there until you just said that. Five minutes ago.
Speaker 2: Brad Pitt and the Nesta Ramon were there.
Speaker 3: I mean, look, I get you know, Jimmy Fallon. Okay, fine,
Speaker 3: Marishka Harget day, she was at the next game and
Speaker 3: probably was like, yay, come to my wedding. Oh okay,
Speaker 3: I love it. Back to the game. Maybe they met
Speaker 3: at the next game.
Speaker 1: Marishka has been to Taylor Swift's concerts before, Like Marishka
Speaker 1: was going at Taylor Swift concerts.
Speaker 3: Oh cat maybe?
Speaker 2: Oh her Ash Benson? I think this.
Speaker 3: Oh, Taylor Swift's cat is named after Harget character. Olivia
Speaker 3: Benson is one of one of her cats, as well
Speaker 3: as Benjamin Button.
Speaker 2: Oh and Benjamin.
Speaker 3: Button is Bradley is Brad Pitt.
Speaker 1: She did it?
Speaker 3: What she invited? The celebrities who are named after and
Speaker 3: cats are named after.
Speaker 1: What does she must love them? And if she's naming
Speaker 1: her cats, how about Adam Sandler? Do you know the
Speaker 1: Adam Sandler connection.
Speaker 2: He's the efficient.
Speaker 1: Do you know how they're connected.
Speaker 2: She has a cat named Adam Sandler.
Speaker 1: So Adam Sandler's girls have been huge Taylor Swift fans
Speaker 1: since they were little. And in twenty nineteen, Adam Sandler
Speaker 1: was the MC of the Rock for EB event, which
Speaker 1: is I'm sure you've been there. It happens in Malibu
Speaker 1: every year. It's for a charity for an agent's to
Speaker 1: raise money for a like a e B which is
Speaker 1: a disease that I think an agent's child has. And
Speaker 1: so in twenty nineteen, Adam Sandler was the MC and
Speaker 1: he sang with Eddie Vedder and he brought his girls
Speaker 1: up on stage to sing a Taylor Swift song. They
Speaker 1: sang Lover and they you know, they've always been like that.
Speaker 1: If you can ever get us to meet Taylor Swift,
Speaker 1: you're gonna be like the coolest dad ever. And I thought,
Speaker 1: I think he took them to SNL to see her
Speaker 1: one time, and there's a long history there. That was
Speaker 1: the year that Uncut Gems came out. I think absolutely.
Speaker 3: Historian and analyst Melanie Little with that is that is terrific.
Speaker 3: You're Adam saying, you can pretty much do anything, right dad,
Speaker 3: do you think you could get it?
Speaker 2: Please put it in one of my movies.
Speaker 1: And he sang a song too. I think he made
Speaker 1: up a song for them, and he sang a song
Speaker 1: for Taylor and.
Speaker 2: Nick's both performed there.
Speaker 3: I mean, you know, she wore that Stevie Nicks shirt
Speaker 3: to the Knicks basketball game.
Speaker 2: The guy I love is there's spoone.
Speaker 3: Everything's supposed to be under wraps, right, no one's supposed
Speaker 3: to talk about it. And then the CEO of AMC
Speaker 3: Movie Theaters, Adam Aram Yeah, posts and then deletes every
Speaker 3: detail from this guy. He just had to schirp like
Speaker 3: a canary. He's singing like a song where he's given
Speaker 3: details of like beautiful you know, drapes of peach and white,
Speaker 3: you know, hanging from the ceiling and blown up pictures
Speaker 3: of Travis and Taylor from their childhood and teens and
Speaker 3: red flowers on that he gave like like, is this guy,
Speaker 3: you know an interior decorator.
Speaker 2: He gave details of the wedding.
Speaker 1: He gave details no pictures because there are no phones
Speaker 1: allowed in. But he's you know, she's a genius, you
Speaker 1: know her her whole eras tour movie was only distributed
Speaker 1: through AMC theaters, So I guess that's her connection with him.
Speaker 1: And there's also been speculation that there were cameras inside
Speaker 1: filming this wedding to make maybe another movie for theatrical release,
Speaker 1: and so it would kind of make sense that she
Speaker 1: would partner again with AMC. That's what I'm thinking. But yeah,
Speaker 1: I was kind of like everyone signed an NDA, right. Yeah,
Speaker 1: he really sed on that it was not and if
Speaker 1: she gets mad, she might pull the plug on her
Speaker 1: deal at the MC.
Speaker 3: So here's Jackie, Jackie's Jackie's always very She fires away.
Speaker 3: I'm effing done with swift, markle Lively spears Kelsey's hilarious clothes.
Speaker 2: Yeah, she's had enough, she said enough. Oh they're calling you, queen, Melanie.
Speaker 2: Did you see this one, fella?
Speaker 3: Yes?
Speaker 1: I did?
Speaker 3: You remember that night when we went to the prom.
Speaker 2: I thought it was great.
Speaker 1: So much fun. It was so much fun.
Speaker 2: Melanie's father said to me, this is the crazy. He
Speaker 2: said to me. If she's not home by.
Speaker 3: Eleven forty five, he said, not midnight, eleven forty five,
Speaker 3: and don't f with me, he said, I said, WHOA?
Speaker 3: So I had you back at eleven forty four, just
Speaker 3: to make sure your father is a very intimidating guy
Speaker 3: to say, oh, you know it, brutal guy.
Speaker 2: Oh my god, lovely.
Speaker 1: I mean, you know, we're loving that picture. It's making
Speaker 1: it sway around social media.
Speaker 3: It's hilarious, it's kind of fun send it around. Yeah,
Speaker 3: so I thought, look the thing that you gotta say it.
Speaker 2: You're a girl's girl. You know you'll stand by your sister.
Speaker 2: Something's wrong.
Speaker 3: The fact that Taylor Swift, i mean, did not invite
Speaker 3: Blake Lively and they have not made up, and some
Speaker 3: people are floating it very interesting to me because if
Speaker 3: Taylor Swift believed that something had happened to Blake Lively,
Speaker 3: some type of you know, sexual assault or misconduct or
Speaker 3: anything that like she was wrong and she was an
Speaker 3: actual victim, she would stand up for. She's not a
Speaker 3: you know which way the wind blows like most people are.
Speaker 3: I think she's got a tougher threshold than most people.
Speaker 3: And she didn't and she's it says to me everything
Speaker 3: she didn't believe her, shouldn't believe her at all.
Speaker 2: I think she's full of it, and or she would
Speaker 2: have stood up for.
Speaker 1: Don't you know. I don't know. I feel like Taylorshift
Speaker 1: has been so careful with her public image. I don't
Speaker 1: know if you watched her documentary that came out like
Speaker 1: a couple of years ago. But she never wants to
Speaker 1: get involved in politics. She will never mention politics. And
Speaker 1: I think she just wants to stay away from all
Speaker 1: that noise and all the negative attention that it would
Speaker 1: bring to her and her reputation. And so I think
Speaker 1: the best thing for her, in her own mind was
Speaker 1: maybe to just distance herself from Blake. And who knows
Speaker 1: what really happened behind the scenes, But do you really
Speaker 1: want Blake coming to your wedding and disrupting the whole thing?
Speaker 1: Because that's all anybody's going to talk about, right, It's
Speaker 1: her too.
Speaker 3: They're going to talk about it either way, right which way?
Speaker 3: Are they going to talk about her more if she's
Speaker 3: not there? Because their best friend? You know it? Look,
Speaker 3: three of Blake Lively's kids, have you know, Taylor's the
Speaker 3: godmother of like at least two of them. I think
Speaker 3: it's three of them, you know. And remember there's another
Speaker 3: interesting thing. Back when the Scott Swift, the Taylor Swift's father.
Speaker 3: He is definitely believed to be the source that Brian
Speaker 3: Friedman contacted Brian Friedman and said, you know, Baldoni's lawyer
Speaker 3: and said, we're getting threats from you know, Blake's camp
Speaker 3: here that you know she's going to release the text
Speaker 3: between her and Taylor if Taylor doesn't step up and say,
Speaker 3: you know, and defend her and Scott Swift. We are
Speaker 3: ninety eight percent sure is the one who reached out
Speaker 3: to Brian Friedman and was like, Okay, we're working with you.
Speaker 3: We want out of this crazy woman. So I think,
Speaker 3: but you're right, it's just total it's a complete and
Speaker 3: utter distraction.
Speaker 2: My thing is people are vilifying right.
Speaker 3: Once you've been attacked or taken down, can you come back?
Speaker 3: Can you be taken Do you think, just as a
Speaker 3: you know, as a human, that Blake Lively could somehow.
Speaker 2: Come back and be in people's good graces again?
Speaker 1: That's a that's a hard thing, you know. Can The
Speaker 1: culture is different now than it used to be, right,
Speaker 1: And there's a lot of people that were canceled.
Speaker 2: I thought it was over.
Speaker 3: It's not over. It maybe dormant for a second here
Speaker 3: or there, but it's not. It's not dead.
Speaker 2: Yeah, always trying to cancel other people.
Speaker 3: I just think like, you got to own whatever part
Speaker 3: your whatever is your part of something. There's got to
Speaker 3: be it's never a complete. Something has to be ownable
Speaker 3: and if you do it. And the problem with Blake
Speaker 3: is she has never All she's done is like it deepened,
Speaker 3: the lie, deepened, the you know, her commitment to this
Speaker 3: bullshit narrative. And she's blown off every opportunity to say
Speaker 3: I could have done this better. You know, this is
Speaker 3: on me.
Speaker 2: This is bad.
Speaker 3: I don't know what I was thinking. I was in
Speaker 3: a terrible place. Anything she hasn't.
Speaker 1: Done it is it too late?
Speaker 2: I mean, I don't know how you do it now though.
Speaker 3: Frankly it's like, you know, I always call it the
Speaker 3: Lance Armstrong syndrome where he went so deep on his
Speaker 3: on his commitment and I didn't dope.
Speaker 2: I didn't dope. I didn't dope and like and finally
Speaker 2: was like, fucking hey, everyone else dope too.
Speaker 3: But he just he had every opportunity to say, okay,
Speaker 3: come clean with people. I find people to be very forgiving. Yeah,
Speaker 3: we all everyone is a deeply flawed, you know, human being.
Speaker 3: We all are wired for good and for evil.
Speaker 2: I think so I'm answering your question.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I think at some point, if she owns her shit,
Speaker 3: even if it's horrible and mosses on the underbelly of
Speaker 3: it to fucking whatever, I think.
Speaker 1: Yes, look at you know Robert Downey Jr. Wasn't He
Speaker 1: canceled at one time and nobody ever thought he would
Speaker 1: work again, and then he came back to prove everybody wrong.
Speaker 1: You know, Armie Hammer's making a comeback. Nobody ever thought
Speaker 1: that would happen.
Speaker 2: But Armie Hammer will own I mean, that's what There
Speaker 2: you go is a great example.
Speaker 3: See Army Hammer. I remember I had him on for
Speaker 3: an hour and we sat there. I've known Army forever
Speaker 3: by the way, I defend an army even in the
Speaker 3: even in the throes of it.
Speaker 2: But that guy's not afraid. Though. Now I'm a cannibal.
Speaker 2: I did this, you know he?
Speaker 1: I mean, Hollywood's a crazy fickle thing. She will will
Speaker 1: she ever do a mea Kalpa? It remains to be seen.
Speaker 1: Maybe she's a psychedelic journey and a better pr.
Speaker 2: Team a psychedelic journey. How were you? You're a fan?
Speaker 3: Right? I mean you you you're a big supportive And look,
Speaker 3: first of all, you're a dead head and you've got
Speaker 3: Dave Matthews all over the place, so you've eaten your
Speaker 3: fair share of mushrooms.
Speaker 1: It's been. It was a thing, you know, remember going
Speaker 1: on tour back in the eighties and nineties, and you
Speaker 1: know that was the culture.
Speaker 2: Did you do Fish any of those jam bands?
Speaker 3: Now?
Speaker 1: I never crossed over into Fish, was a pure deadhead.
Speaker 2: Have you heard of Goose?
Speaker 1: I have?
Speaker 2: Oh I just found Goose.
Speaker 1: We just found Goose. Did you hear about the guy
Speaker 1: in Madison Square Garden that did the dive off the
Speaker 1: chase bridges at the Goose concert?
Speaker 2: That was it?
Speaker 3: Right?
Speaker 1: Yeah? He's also playing in Cancun with Dave Matthews this year.
Speaker 2: Come with me really yep?
Speaker 1: January Dave and Tim Three Nights on the Beach with Goose.
Speaker 2: Oh my god?
Speaker 3: What the song that they their version of Shama Lama
Speaker 3: Ding Dong.
Speaker 1: You can't play it, You'll get stricken, I will. Oh yeah.
Speaker 1: YouTube is crazy with music copyrights.
Speaker 2: I love Goose, Oh my god, Shama Lama ooh hot.
Speaker 3: So any But as far as the have you ever
Speaker 3: done a rehabilitative like a journey with a facilitator or
Speaker 3: just like at a concert.
Speaker 1: No, just at a concert, but I've heard you talk
Speaker 1: about it, and so it's piqued my interest. Although I
Speaker 1: remember your first one was really good and then the
Speaker 1: second one not so much. Yeah, and then did you
Speaker 1: do an ecstasy journey too or an MDMA journey and then.
Speaker 2: An MDMA third?
Speaker 3: But see, if I had to say which was the
Speaker 3: most impactful, it would be the second one. I'm not
Speaker 3: I'm looking for healing in certain areas, and the second
Speaker 3: one was where it identified the dark spots in me,
Speaker 3: the places that are scary that you don't want to go,
Speaker 3: and then it kind of makes you confront them, and
Speaker 3: then you come out going Okay.
Speaker 2: Now I can no longer look the other way.
Speaker 3: So I did a little work, and then after the
Speaker 3: work I got in, I did the MDMA, which is
Speaker 3: a euphoric more of a loving, softer experience, and that
Speaker 3: broke through that dark place.
Speaker 2: Boom.
Speaker 1: The only way out is through Billy.
Speaker 2: Oh, Melanie, have you gone through some shit in your life?
Speaker 1: Haven't we?
Speaker 3: All? Yeah?
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, I've been around the block and then some
Speaker 1: seen it all, lost it all, got it all back,
Speaker 1: you know.
Speaker 2: Isn't that amazing?
Speaker 3: It is Did you get to a place where you thought, like, shit,
Speaker 3: I'm doing I guess everybody will, or maybe some people don't.
Speaker 1: Divorce does that to you, right, I mean, you know,
Speaker 1: it's just one of the things. Death will do that
Speaker 1: to you.
Speaker 3: Death, divorce, firing, any kind of major life transformation thing.
Speaker 3: I'm interested in, you know what I'm interested in. Got
Speaker 3: this healing guy I'm working with, And I'm interested in
Speaker 3: people who are who are like untouchable. You know, I
Speaker 3: went through my own shit and then but well embraced
Speaker 3: and hindsight, you know.
Speaker 2: I think just enough.
Speaker 3: It's like the guy I was snake bitten by a
Speaker 3: black mambo, just a little bit to get the antibodies,
Speaker 3: not like so much that you're on death's door. And
Speaker 3: it's the people that we view as untouchable, as oh,
Speaker 3: what a horrible human being. But I'm interested in, like,
Speaker 3: what the hell happened to that person somewhere deep in
Speaker 3: childhood or along the way or something. There's an explanation
Speaker 3: for this, and not to like absolve them of whatever,
Speaker 3: you know, sin they've committed, but I'd like to understand
Speaker 3: it a little bit.
Speaker 1: People, Well that's what they say too. Hurt people, hurt people,
Speaker 1: you know, And I tell my kids that, you know,
Speaker 1: I have five kids. Everyone's had bullying incidents, you know,
Speaker 1: here and there throughout thirteen years and whatever. And I
Speaker 1: always say, listen, you got to look at where this
Speaker 1: kid is coming from, who's raising them, what is their
Speaker 1: home life? Like, you know, it has nothing to do
Speaker 1: with you and everything to do with them. And so
Speaker 1: so much of people's issues later in life are rooted
Speaker 1: in child trauma. I mean, there's been so many studies
Speaker 1: on it. I don't know if you unlocked any childhood trauma,
Speaker 1: but that will live with you forever.
Speaker 3: Oh I did, I've got you know. I mean, it's
Speaker 3: in the other thing we say about people. You never
Speaker 3: know what someone's going through or what someone's been through really,
Speaker 3: so we all, you know, have the Internet, which helps us,
Speaker 3: you know, access information to judge the shit out of people,
Speaker 3: but you don't really know their full story. And the
Speaker 3: most untouchable I'm interested in those stories and for their
Speaker 3: own healing. That's why the psychedelic therapies, you know, I
Speaker 3: believe in it so much. I'm telling you, Melanie, if
Speaker 3: you did this in like maximum security prisons. Yeah, and
Speaker 3: you did a massive clinical study with facilitators with these
Speaker 3: and all of a sudden, that ego and that protective
Speaker 3: barrier is gone. It's all the way down and nothing
Speaker 3: but simple truth is remaining with these people. The shit
Speaker 3: you would hear, and the fact that it came out.
Speaker 3: I'm not saying let them all out. I'm no socialists here,
Speaker 3: I'm not in the DSA, but I think you'd see
Speaker 3: something powerful.
Speaker 2: I really just.
Speaker 1: Think, well, MDMA has historically been used in therapy right
Speaker 1: to get people to open up. And you know what
Speaker 1: the truth and.
Speaker 3: The FDA was, well, yeah, because all it does is
Speaker 3: it takes your ego, which is ego equals voice in
Speaker 3: the head, and the voice in the head we all
Speaker 3: have and most of it is pretty much running a
Speaker 3: negative narrative the whole time. But when that comes down
Speaker 3: and the voice in the head is silent, then you're
Speaker 3: just left with the truth. And in my case, in
Speaker 3: that MDMA journey, I realized the lessons of my father
Speaker 3: i'd gotten far away from, or had.
Speaker 2: Gotten not far, but they weren't.
Speaker 3: He really taught me well, how to be a good person,
Speaker 3: you know, be a faithful person, be a loyal person.
Speaker 2: Don't do too you know, and I'm like old school dad.
Speaker 3: I got a lit away from it, and I realized,
Speaker 3: oh no, these are really good. He's handing me the
Speaker 3: blueprint for a really good balanced life. And so after that,
Speaker 3: I kind of got back to it, and isn't it interesting?
Speaker 3: Things start opening up and they start falling into place.
Speaker 3: So I guess I was needing to be more in alignment.
Speaker 1: Yeah, you have the tools all along, you just kind
Speaker 1: of lost the tools along the way. Exactly when you
Speaker 1: talk about these untouchable people, like if you could interview
Speaker 1: one person that you considered to be like what you're
Speaker 1: calling untouchable, who would it be? Like what kind of
Speaker 1: people are you talking? Who are you talking about?
Speaker 3: Well, I mean you know, like, well, I guess you
Speaker 3: know Candice Owens kind of. I mean, Harvey Weinstein would
Speaker 3: be like an untouchable.
Speaker 2: Human being, like like what he did is.
Speaker 3: Now it doesn't mean that I'm exonerating Harvey Weinstein, but
Speaker 3: I mean, you know, to understand him and what his
Speaker 3: childhood was like and did that kind of thing, and
Speaker 3: then like you know, then there's like who else is
Speaker 3: being vilified? The sports reporter?
Speaker 2: Who you know, Diana you know who who.
Speaker 3: I don't know what the story is. I don't know
Speaker 3: you know, the depths of of what happened. All I
Speaker 3: know is here's a person on top of her game,
Speaker 3: you know, the highest paid reporter and really kind of
Speaker 3: like the NFL insider, which everyone wants an insider. But
Speaker 3: she was effective for the athletic you know, New York
Speaker 3: Times Sports publication, and just riding the highest high and
Speaker 3: now she's you know, you know, reeling, and i'd like
Speaker 3: to understand her. And I think, you know, that's a
Speaker 3: person for whom I have a giant capacity to to
Speaker 3: forgive and to u when we eventually hear from her,
Speaker 3: Oh my god. Someone put Rex Huerman. Wow, now you're
Speaker 3: really testing me, Melanie.
Speaker 1: That the Long Island serial killer. He's a Long Island
Speaker 1: serial killer. I mean, that would be an interesting guy
Speaker 1: to interview.
Speaker 2: I would send you in there.
Speaker 3: You're tougher than me.
Speaker 1: I met. I saw him in court. I was in
Speaker 1: court one day when he was there and he turned around,
Speaker 1: he looked right at me, and I swear to god,
Speaker 1: I could feel the evil emanating from this math. It
Speaker 1: was chilling.
Speaker 2: It was chilling, Oh my god. And with the kids
Speaker 2: and stuff. Is what is that? What is?
Speaker 3: You have children and you're in this marriag and the
Speaker 3: wife has no clue? Does she do?
Speaker 2: We believe that no clue.
Speaker 1: That's what they're saying. I mean, I watched her give
Speaker 1: interviews in a documentary and it seemed like she had
Speaker 1: her own you know, childhood traumas and her own like situations,
Speaker 1: a prior marriage that may have been I don't know, abusive,
Speaker 1: and she was just you know, under Rex's control. And
Speaker 1: I think he can when he confessed allegedly all of
Speaker 1: these murders were done when she was out of town
Speaker 1: with the kids, whenever they would go on vacation. That's
Speaker 1: when he would be, you know, meeting up with these
Speaker 1: women and then doing god knows what to them for
Speaker 1: how knows, who knows how long, and then murdering and
Speaker 1: disposing of their bodies right along Kilgo Beach, which is
Speaker 1: you know, those are beaches. You're a long island, those
Speaker 1: are the ocean beaches. It's crazy.
Speaker 3: You got away with it for twenty five years, twenty
Speaker 3: three years, something like aickins early.
Speaker 1: It was like in the ninety three nop over thirty years.
Speaker 3: Karen Sutter's on the screen here with a Michael Proctor.
Speaker 3: Absolutely now that any one of those people, any one
Speaker 3: of those people, but especially Michael Proctor and and you
Speaker 3: know Sean Goody, not some Proctor, would be an amazing
Speaker 3: person to understand.
Speaker 2: Where did you get so jaded?
Speaker 3: Where did you get so racist? Where did you get
Speaker 3: so this this this anger that's in him? Where does
Speaker 3: it come from? You know, you might find out that
Speaker 3: he was beaten by his father constantly. I don't know,
Speaker 3: but again, this isn't about like you can judge him
Speaker 3: as you want, but I'd like a full picture. Yeah.
Speaker 1: I don't have any sympathy for him. I think that
Speaker 1: he is a guy who just got away with it
Speaker 1: for decades. I think that the police force, the Massachusetts
Speaker 1: Police and the Canton p D have been doing this
Speaker 1: kind of stuff for decades. They've never been caught. They
Speaker 1: feel like they're above the law. They go out of
Speaker 1: their way to protect each other. Yeah, and yeah, if
Speaker 1: you want to segue into that, listen, Sean Goods messages
Speaker 1: came out, he's the sergeant Can't and p D also
Speaker 1: one of the first responders to the murder of John O'Keefe.
Speaker 1: Also his messages came out, they were, if you can
Speaker 1: believe it, ten times worse than Proctor, Like the virulent
Speaker 1: Biggest Tree was worse. Oh my god, Billy, Oh my god,
Speaker 1: I'll send you a doctor.
Speaker 3: Is he the one that he was talking about the
Speaker 3: high school going to the high school and all the
Speaker 3: N word droppings and everything.
Speaker 1: Yeah, and horrible, nobody was safe, anti Semitic, racist, the
Speaker 1: N word everywhere, special needs people, like, there's a whole
Speaker 1: page on things that he would say about special needs people.
Speaker 1: Michael Procter jokes about planting evidence. Michael Proctor joked about
Speaker 1: sticking a night stick up some guys but planting a
Speaker 1: bag of coke on him and saying, you're going in
Speaker 1: all right. That is the most explosive thing to me,
Speaker 1: Despite all the horrific, misogynistic things that he said and racist,
Speaker 1: the fact that he's willing to joke around with his
Speaker 1: law enforcement buddies about planting evidence on a guy. It
Speaker 1: makes it all the more likely that maybe, just maybe
Speaker 1: he sprinkled some tail light at the scene of thirty
Speaker 1: four Fair of View or somebody else did.
Speaker 2: Right.
Speaker 1: Yeah, every single case Michael Proctor ever touched is going
Speaker 1: to be re examined.
Speaker 3: Oh for sure, as it should be, right. I mean, yeah,
Speaker 3: every one of these people, I think they've all probably
Speaker 3: come forward and they're all asking for access to his
Speaker 3: They all want the ten years of Proctor's cell phone
Speaker 3: that you know, Alan Jackson.
Speaker 2: In company got a hold of. What do we think
Speaker 2: about what happened with you know? Of course?
Speaker 3: I mean he's he obviously feels fear and panic, and
Speaker 3: I guess there's you know, the personal medical conditions that
Speaker 3: whatever his lawyers used to get him out of his
Speaker 3: initial deposition date, or at least got it postponed until
Speaker 3: the end of the day and then they called it
Speaker 3: for the next day.
Speaker 2: Whatever he used.
Speaker 3: I mean, he must be having terrible, overwhelming anxiety because
Speaker 3: he is I mean, he is persona.
Speaker 1: The world is falling apart. He's lost everything, right.
Speaker 2: He's a detestable human being.
Speaker 3: So he's obviously at least it says that he's wired
Speaker 3: in a certain way that he feels something maybe or
Speaker 3: is it do you think it's just legal strategy and
Speaker 3: playing it.
Speaker 1: I mean, listen, the scariest person is the person who's
Speaker 1: got nothing left to lose, right, Yeah, it came out
Speaker 1: Friday that there was another freedom of information dump that
Speaker 1: came out, and it turns out that we found in
Speaker 1: there letters from like Matt McCabe, Jenn McCabe's dad, Kerry Roberts,
Speaker 1: and some other woman, all pleading with the district attorney
Speaker 1: all the way back in twenty twenty four. It's and
Speaker 1: not fire Proctor. Really, they really wanted him to keep
Speaker 1: his job.
Speaker 2: Why do you think that is?
Speaker 1: Because remember when Colin Albert's mother wrote a text message
Speaker 1: to Michael Proctor's sixth sister the day that Karen Reid
Speaker 1: was first arrested and brought into court wearing the mask.
Speaker 1: It was like back in twenty twenty two, she said,
Speaker 1: tell you brother, I want to get him a thank
Speaker 1: you gift when this is all over. Yes, yes, yes,
Speaker 1: And Michael Proctor's sister said, told Michael Procter, and Proctor said,
Speaker 1: tell her to get one from my wife. Instead. Why
Speaker 1: do you think she wanted to get him a thank
Speaker 1: you gift? Number one? And now was this payback for
Speaker 1: He's like, look what I did for you, Now you
Speaker 1: need to do something for me because if I lose
Speaker 1: my job out of this, who knows what I might
Speaker 1: say when they call me an to be deposed or whatever.
Speaker 1: Who knows if Michael Proctor has been threatened, if they
Speaker 1: got to him, who knows if he knows a lot
Speaker 1: of secrets where the bodies are buried. And he's the
Speaker 1: fall guy right now for all of this, Right, he's
Speaker 1: the one whose life has been destroyed. He lost his job,
Speaker 1: he lost his pension, he lost his his family. I
Speaker 1: heard that his house is going on the market. People
Speaker 1: are saying he's now living with his sister. He's having
Speaker 1: this mental Maybe it's a mental issue. I don't know,
Speaker 1: but this guy's The walls are crumbling down on this guy.
Speaker 1: And I think there's a lot of fear out there
Speaker 1: about what he might say. And so his deposition did happen,
Speaker 1: but it was only half a day and it's supposed
Speaker 1: to get and you know, Alan Jackson's going to keep
Speaker 1: him in that hot seat for a week probably at least.
Speaker 1: Right he's got nothing left to lose, and he's.
Speaker 2: Got his back up against the wall.
Speaker 3: This guy's like, okay, they and they were thanking him,
Speaker 3: thanking him for not coming into the house. He never
Speaker 3: entered the house to conduct any type of you know, survey,
Speaker 3: is the surveillance of the home.
Speaker 2: Where the guy that dead guys on the lawn.
Speaker 3: You don't even go in, I mean immediately he writes
Speaker 3: it off. It's her, it's this.
Speaker 2: Well, but why wouldn't he flip? He's lost everything?
Speaker 3: Why are you Why would you still protect the Mcalberts
Speaker 3: and these people.
Speaker 1: Because maybe they've threatened him and they've threatened his family,
Speaker 1: who knows. It's kind of it feels to me a
Speaker 1: lot like a like a mafia story, you know, like
Speaker 1: why are all of these people being protected? Why did
Speaker 1: Michael Marcy release this like hostage video clearing everyone in
Speaker 1: that house? Back in August of twenty twenty three, mentioning
Speaker 1: Colin Albert's name more than he mentioned John o'keif's name,
Speaker 1: saying how Karen Reid's defense was, you know, a false narrative.
Speaker 1: John o'keef never went in the house. These are innocent witnesses.
Speaker 1: People have to stop harassing them. You know, how did
Speaker 1: they have a bat phone line to Michael Marcy, the
Speaker 1: district attorney, and get him to release this wild statement
Speaker 1: which completely tainted the jury pool. No DA wouldever do that.
Speaker 1: It's wild. I don't know, but I think it goes
Speaker 1: a lot deeper than Karen Reid. And I think it
Speaker 1: goes into decades of pervasive corruption, racism, bias in the department,
Speaker 1: in the DA's office in Canton, PDE. People who live
Speaker 1: in Massachusetts will tell you that it has been like
Speaker 1: this for decades and it's a scary, scary thing. He
Speaker 1: was an outsider, so you know, it's not so unusual
Speaker 1: that all these people try and protect each other. They're
Speaker 1: born and bred Canton, they're born and bred Massachusetts. Everyone
Speaker 1: in Canton p d Went to high school together.
Speaker 3: I mean, I know I always think of them, you
Speaker 3: Peggy O'Keefe, John's mother, And I just see that this
Speaker 3: is a woman who's grown up. You know, we all
Speaker 3: need structure in our lives and we all depend on
Speaker 3: whatever you know, system we grew up in or we know,
Speaker 3: and that's all she ever knew. And this woman has
Speaker 3: got absolute deniability. She cannot see, won't even allow it
Speaker 3: in there. And they know this about her. I mean,
Speaker 3: if she was truly an open minded person, she'd be like,
Speaker 3: wait a minute, something really doesn't add up over here.
Speaker 3: And she is just she can only see one thing,
Speaker 3: and that's little Karen Reid is the victim, Little Karen Reid,
Speaker 3: just ready to go up the river if she had
Speaker 3: just gone quietly. She's a freaking joan of arc. She's
Speaker 3: a hero, true.
Speaker 2: Yeah, she's a tough little woman.
Speaker 3: I mean that would have torn apart anybody, and she's
Speaker 3: still going. Of course, we've got the Knight and shining armor.
Speaker 3: We love Alan Jackson. Yeah, I enjoy a Vesper Martini
Speaker 3: with Alan. This child gave me a friend to Alan Jackson.
Speaker 3: We get together for Vesper martiniz every once in a while.
Speaker 1: He's my guy.
Speaker 2: Ye had him over in my house.
Speaker 3: He came over to watch a playoff football game and
Speaker 3: brought me a very expensive whiskey. I mean and Alan Jackson,
Speaker 3: you know.
Speaker 1: Oh he didn't show up arms of swing and huh.
Speaker 1: He came in with the with the hot the hot gift.
Speaker 1: I like that.
Speaker 3: He came in with a lot about a guy, a
Speaker 3: very nice whiskey. I mean, you know, I was like, Wow,
Speaker 3: he's a whiskey man.
Speaker 2: I like that too.
Speaker 1: Did you see I don't know where they joined the army.
Speaker 1: He Colin Albert joined the art enlisted in the army.
Speaker 3: That's how desperate he was to get away.
Speaker 1: He's like before his deposition, I'm.
Speaker 2: Going to serve my country.
Speaker 3: Law enforcement is already what's one step above law enforcement
Speaker 3: that shows you to be a great American.
Speaker 1: During wartime he's enlisted.
Speaker 2: I am going to enlist.
Speaker 3: Really our country.
Speaker 1: Was he rehomed like you know, Chloe the German Shepherd.
Speaker 2: I guess his knuckles have healed, and uh.
Speaker 1: It's never been in a fight before, Billy though, Remember
Speaker 1: he's never been in a fight before. God no, bang bang, Yeah.
Speaker 2: I'm just I don't know what's next. Where do we?
Speaker 3: I know we had two depot dates for Michael Proctor,
Speaker 3: the twenty fifth and July fourteenth, Best deal day is
Speaker 3: best third day in America? Will that continue? Or is
Speaker 3: Procter done?
Speaker 1: The court has actually pulled the plug on that for now.
Speaker 1: He's put a stay on Michael Proctor any further discovery
Speaker 1: against Michael Proctor because this is wild, he claims. The
Speaker 1: judge claims that he got notified. He doesn't say by
Speaker 1: hoe that somehow Michael Proctor's private medical information was released
Speaker 1: on Twitter, that he became aware that somebody tweeted about it.
Speaker 1: From somebody, he called every single attorney in this case.
Speaker 1: So something like twenty five attorneys or more into court
Speaker 1: for a conference Wednesday before the fourth of July. Alan
Speaker 1: Jackson had a fly in from California for this. It
Speaker 1: was fifteen minutes long. The judge read them the Riot
Speaker 1: Act like a speech and then walked off the bench,
Speaker 1: didn't let anybody speak, and he said, if this happens again,
Speaker 1: if somebody violates my court order again, I could dismiss
Speaker 1: this case or hold Karen read in default and you
Speaker 1: and you know, he said, I can permanently prevent any
Speaker 1: further discovery against Michael Proctor. And there's no evidence of
Speaker 1: what the judge saw who sent it to him. I mean,
Speaker 1: you know how many trolls are out there sending create
Speaker 1: making up stuff and sending crazy things to judges and
Speaker 1: putting things on the internet. Thirty two attorneys, thanks Amanda.
Speaker 3: Jesus, thirty two attorneys involved in the whole thing come in.
Speaker 1: They all had to come in. He read a speech
Speaker 1: about God bless America and the quite solemnity of the
Speaker 1: courtroom and this cannot be a media spectacle and then
Speaker 1: marched off the bench. But A Jackson Allen's there going.
Speaker 1: The judge leaves, and Alan's like, do we get to
Speaker 1: can we be heard, can we be heard?
Speaker 3: Can we see the tweet? Though he referred to a
Speaker 3: tweet that's out there that that that contained a lot
Speaker 3: of the information that Michael's lawyers were sort of, you know,
Speaker 3: complaining about that. This is you know, private information of
Speaker 3: proctors that's been out there and somebody you know quoted
Speaker 3: in a tweet, which one of you, thirty two people
Speaker 3: is behind this, But where is the actual tweet?
Speaker 1: He had all thirty two of them sign an affidavit
Speaker 1: that they didn't really release it and they don't know
Speaker 1: who did. And they did that before the court date.
Speaker 1: He still made them all come in and you know
Speaker 1: Turtle you know Turtle Boy, he's a friend of yours too, right,
Speaker 1: he's been on your show before. Turtle Boy had gotten
Speaker 1: some intel a couple of days before this, before these
Speaker 1: papers were even filed, that Michael Proctor was in some
Speaker 1: sort of rehab in Florida, and he talked about it
Speaker 1: on a show that he got this source who told
Speaker 1: him this. He didn't know if it was true or not,
Speaker 1: and that he was separated from his wife. That's all
Speaker 1: he said. If it turns out that that is what
Speaker 1: was true, that had already been out before these papers
Speaker 1: were filed with the court, and the attorneys have a
Speaker 1: right to know what it is that the judge saw.
Speaker 1: Who did it, you know, who sent it to him. Yeah,
Speaker 1: there's a lot of people out there making up a
Speaker 1: lot of stuff, filing false documents and so forth that
Speaker 1: really really really hate Karen Reid and Aiden Turtle Boy Carney.
Speaker 1: It's it's like nothing I've ever seen before. I mean,
Speaker 1: this case is going to go on for decades. These
Speaker 1: civil suits are going to bankrupt Massachusetts and it's going
Speaker 1: to expose all of the corruption in Massachusetts. Two and
Speaker 1: I'm here for it. We're on season three right now.
Speaker 1: Season one was Karen Reid's first trial. Season two was
Speaker 1: can Ree's second trial, which I did to thank God,
Speaker 1: in an acquittal. Now we're on the civil suits and
Speaker 1: the defamation suits against Aden Carney and Karen Reid and
Speaker 1: Karen Reids suing everybody and the wrongful that car accident
Speaker 1: case Rock car accident that didn't happen. Season four is
Speaker 1: going to be when the right people end up in handcuffs.
Speaker 3: The right people end up in handcuffs, and then the
Speaker 3: happy ending is if there is some sort of systemic change,
Speaker 3: and that would be that would be incredible. But it's
Speaker 3: a rotten to the core system. And if somehow, you know,
Speaker 3: it becomes a just system afterwards, you know, man, that's maybe.
Speaker 1: Some real justice for John O'Keefe too, right, Why we're
Speaker 1: all screaming here, like really like John o keif really
Speaker 1: needs justice and the fact that they did such a
Speaker 1: crappy investigation into the death of a Boston police officer
Speaker 1: should outrage everyone.
Speaker 3: Yeah, you know, if missus Proctor left him, they say,
Speaker 3: stand by your man.
Speaker 2: But I think we can forgive her.
Speaker 3: I think she.
Speaker 1: Says need this to Yeah, I mean, she her whole
Speaker 1: you know, she just wanted to be married to a
Speaker 1: cop from what I understand. But she did a lot
Speaker 1: of things too. She called a lot of people's employers
Speaker 1: that were saying bad things about Proctor on Facebook and
Speaker 1: got them fired, tried to get them fired. Like she's
Speaker 1: no angel in all this either. And she came out
Speaker 1: and gave some weird interview with Proctor's sister about how
Speaker 1: what a great guy he is. And then Proctor did
Speaker 1: an interview the day of Karen's acquittal and said, I
Speaker 1: they said, wouldn't you do anything differently, and he said no,
Speaker 1: I wouldn't.
Speaker 3: He said some pretty gross stuff about women he's obviously
Speaker 3: slept with, so she probably got, you know, at least
Speaker 3: she thought he might be faithful to her, or unless
Speaker 3: he was talking about her in that way, I think
Speaker 3: it was other women.
Speaker 1: I don't know. He's talking about like rufieing women and
Speaker 1: doing things to them when they were asleep because he
Speaker 1: couldn't get in there.
Speaker 3: And you know, something about the butt that I don't
Speaker 3: even want to get in No, I don't want to
Speaker 3: talk about that.
Speaker 1: You don't know. And we're coercive type of things that
Speaker 1: are not becoming.
Speaker 3: Horrible coercive terrible things. Yeah, so we're we'll never be
Speaker 3: over this, which means, you know, we'll always be We'll
Speaker 3: always be talking.
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's not gonna end anytime soon. I think it's
Speaker 1: only gonna get worse.
Speaker 3: There it is, Melan, Will you just give your dad
Speaker 3: my best? I just he's a wifeful guy. I'm still
Speaker 3: a little afraid of him, but.
Speaker 1: Scary dude.
Speaker 3: Thank him so much.
Speaker 1: Okay, I I think he should put up You're skinny
Speaker 1: dipping picture that you put their neds great minds.
Speaker 3: What happened to my ass. It's a little ass, but
Speaker 3: but it's it's you know, it's still pretty much.
Speaker 2: The same ass. I gotta say it.
Speaker 1: That picture is making the rounds. So is that from
Speaker 1: a long time ago and you just put it into
Speaker 1: your Instagram reel?
Speaker 2: It's exactly where I am right now on May in Maine.
Speaker 3: I thought it's a great you know, and I have
Speaker 3: like a two year old and a four year old
Speaker 3: that I cropped out of the photo. They're standing in
Speaker 3: their little life jackets next to me and their little
Speaker 3: butts are out. But we don't put baby butts up now.
Speaker 5: Now, your kids when they were little, yea, when you're
Speaker 5: tugging yeah, down on the dock and they're a little
Speaker 5: h you know, life jackets ready to jump in with
Speaker 5: the old man and go for go for It's very
Speaker 5: character building, you know.
Speaker 3: Water up here very cold.
Speaker 1: I know I used to go to York Beach.
Speaker 2: That's why I didn't turn around.
Speaker 1: It's like an ice bath.
Speaker 3: That's why what it's why I didn't turn around.
Speaker 1: George Anza shrinking Jerry. It was cold, it was cold.
Speaker 2: It was cold, Jerry.
Speaker 3: Uh.
Speaker 1: That was the episode that was the Hampton's episode. With
Speaker 1: the lobsters with Kramer stealing the lobsters from the traps.
Speaker 1: You don't do that.
Speaker 2: Oh my god.
Speaker 1: Have you ever interviewed Taylor Swift?
Speaker 2: Yeah, but way back in the day, she was thirteen.
Speaker 3: Oh, it was at Access Hollywood, and she came to
Speaker 3: the set and she brought her little guitar and she
Speaker 3: played for everybody on the set and.
Speaker 2: She was adorable.
Speaker 3: And then she came into the voiceover booth and like
Speaker 3: she was playing around with like I was recording some
Speaker 3: voiceover tracks and she was in there. She was adorable
Speaker 3: and her mom was there, and she was just a
Speaker 3: little kid.
Speaker 1: Could you tell then that she was going to be
Speaker 1: a big star? No, not see anything in her.
Speaker 2: Not this level. I mean, yeah, you know she was.
Speaker 3: She was great. I think the difference about the difference
Speaker 3: with her and you know some of these other country
Speaker 3: singers with guitars and beautiful voices, is her song writing.
Speaker 3: She knows how to strike.
Speaker 2: The nerve of what other girls, especially are feeling, you
Speaker 2: know what I mean?
Speaker 3: And that connection is yeah, is what it just it
Speaker 3: strikes people in the micro biome, you know what I mean.
Speaker 1: And that's are your girls into the Taylor swift.
Speaker 3: Oh yeah, yeah, your.
Speaker 1: Girls are beautiful. By the way, you have a beautiful family.
Speaker 1: I saw you posted some pictures of them on Instagram too,
Speaker 1: from the weekend. I guess unless those are old pictures too,
Speaker 1: but beautiful.
Speaker 3: Oh no, no, those are them. Yeah, that's my youngest one
Speaker 3: who's with her.
Speaker 2: She goesch Coke today, she goes dad.
Speaker 3: Did you hard launch me on Instagram with my boyfriend
Speaker 3: like this?
Speaker 2: I go home? Saw that you posted it before me.
Speaker 3: I'm like, sorry, I don't know. You never I never
Speaker 3: do everything right right. They're always mad at me about something.
Speaker 1: Dude, you're not allowed to post pictures of them unless
Speaker 1: they preapprove them. You know that shit. I just know
Speaker 1: they don't like. Also, they don't like the picture. Hopefully
Speaker 1: you didn't tag the guy.
Speaker 3: Uh no, no, he's a Swoh my god. I gotta
Speaker 3: say when you have my girls are twenty one, twenty five,
Speaker 3: twenty seven, people say to me, like, you know, how
Speaker 3: are they doing?
Speaker 2: Most times in my life one hasn't been.
Speaker 3: You never get all three doing really well at the
Speaker 3: same time. Two are doing well, one is struggling, one
Speaker 3: is doing well, two are struggling. It's never that all
Speaker 3: three are doing well, and that means emotionally, not you know,
Speaker 3: just professionally, have a job or whatever it is. They're
Speaker 3: in good places, you know what I mean, Like this
Speaker 3: is the first time that it's a sweet spot and
Speaker 3: we've got some great boyfriends and I'm like, you know,
Speaker 3: it's all good.
Speaker 1: Yeah, that's night. Flip the script though on that. Instead
Speaker 1: of saying like struggling to say, they're not all happy
Speaker 1: at the same time, kids are happy at the same time.
Speaker 1: And when they're all happy at the same time, that's
Speaker 1: when the magic happens. And then yeah, the magic happens in.
Speaker 3: I don't you know, I have my own ambitions, desires,
Speaker 3: but that their happiness really when you get to be
Speaker 3: you know, at this point, it's like, is so much
Speaker 3: more important if they're good. I'm good what they say
Speaker 3: you know about you know, you're only as happy as
Speaker 3: your least happy child. I think that's that's correct.
Speaker 2: If you know, I.
Speaker 3: Can't look past it. I can't think about myself if
Speaker 3: one of them is hurting, it's just.
Speaker 1: Oh, you're an EmPATH, like maing you feel your kids
Speaker 1: pain and it's like it kills like it, there's there's nothing,
Speaker 1: no worse feeling than feeling like you can't fix it
Speaker 1: right right, and you just want to fix it, no
Speaker 1: matter how old they are, you just want to make
Speaker 1: them feel better and fix it. And it's it's a heartbreaking.
Speaker 2: You have boys.
Speaker 1: I have two boys and three girls.
Speaker 3: Yeah, two boys and three girls.
Speaker 2: She's a army. You think, I know after the prom.
Speaker 1: I know, well, you know we haven't kept in touch.
Speaker 1: A lot of happened since that senior prom.
Speaker 3: I know. But the boys, they say, like I saw
Speaker 3: an interesting post about boys and it was like.
Speaker 2: The kid who's playing the video games and like he's
Speaker 2: sort of apathetic. Hey, can you gick out the I'll
Speaker 2: do it, I'll do later.
Speaker 3: Is they just like I remember, my mom is eighty
Speaker 3: seven years old and she's not here right now, but
Speaker 3: she is a ballbuster. She is tough. We had chores,
Speaker 3: We had things we had to do. I had to
Speaker 3: mow the grass, you know, every weekend it would come.
Speaker 3: I couldn't go anywhere until every and I had to
Speaker 3: mow fields and lawns and I had my shit to
Speaker 3: do before I could do anything else.
Speaker 2: I just feel like that is gone, you know. I
Speaker 2: don't know that there's or at least in the people.
Speaker 3: I know, it's a little little maybe it's out there,
Speaker 3: but a little softer, a little bit, like leave them
Speaker 3: to their own computers and their own devices, and you
Speaker 3: wonder why they're not happy.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I feel like you really need to interact with
Speaker 1: your kids, you know. You know what I always say,
Speaker 1: buy the tickets and make them, let them set it's
Speaker 1: take your kids places, make memories with them, you know,
Speaker 1: don't just let them.
Speaker 2: And don't fix everything on their devices.
Speaker 3: If they're struggling with something or trying to find a
Speaker 3: way out or having a difficulty with something, let them
Speaker 3: try and figure it out and let them flounder a
Speaker 3: little bit. This is where the character is built, when
Speaker 3: you find your way out of something on your own power.
Speaker 1: Yeah, doesn't Anderson Cooper talk about that a lot about
Speaker 1: he was never given money. I mean, Gloria Vanderbilt was
Speaker 1: his mother, right, and he was raised right in a
Speaker 1: different way. Well, he had to like find his own
Speaker 1: way kind of.
Speaker 3: You want to hear something funny about Anderson Cooper, M h,
Speaker 3: he when I was starting in television, this is how
Speaker 3: old I am before I got hired by Access Hollywood
Speaker 3: to be the East Coast correspondent of that show. I
Speaker 3: had started on the local NBC station doing some feature
Speaker 3: reports on their early morning show that came on before
Speaker 3: the Today Show, and I was waiting for them to
Speaker 3: hire me, like give me a real job. I'm just
Speaker 3: doing like a weekly piece, but like I was waiting
Speaker 3: to get the big nod. But I knew things were
Speaker 3: going well because there was feedback and stuff. CNN called
Speaker 3: me and they were like, hey, we see what you're
Speaker 3: doing in that early morning thing. We'd like you to
Speaker 3: join our morning show Paula Zon and maybe come do
Speaker 3: a few things. Could you do like three days? And
Speaker 3: I did three days straight on the Paulason American Morning
Speaker 3: or whatever it is. And that's when NBC saw me
Speaker 3: and they were like, wait a minute, what are you doing?
Speaker 3: Why are you on CNN. I said, well, I don't
Speaker 3: have a full time contract, so I'm just trying to
Speaker 3: earn money, and they were like okay, okay, and they
Speaker 3: gave me the full time contract and the whole thing,
Speaker 3: and I went off to NBC and I did my thing,
Speaker 3: and the next week I was the third guy on
Speaker 3: the show. There was another grumpy dude I forgot his
Speaker 3: name with Paula Zan But then Anderson Cooper came in
Speaker 3: and they brought him in as the third wheel after
Speaker 3: I peeled out, and his run at CNN has been
Speaker 3: nothing but iconic.
Speaker 1: So yeah, wow, look at that. You had taken a
Speaker 1: different path, you wouldn't have done the Hollywood News so
Speaker 1: much as more like political hard news. What do you
Speaker 1: think you would have liked better?
Speaker 2: I like where I am now, which is I am?
Speaker 3: Sometimes I like the t sometimes I like to talk
Speaker 3: about the tea and and you know, what's going on
Speaker 3: with the you know, sometimes it's a little true crime,
Speaker 3: sometimes it's sometimes it's Karen, sometimes it's Blake. Sometimes it's
Speaker 3: Mark's freaking dummy. And socialism in America and Spencer Pratt
Speaker 3: running from running for mayor when he used to be.
Speaker 2: A TV villain and.
Speaker 3: Everything, and now the World Cup. I mean, it's good
Speaker 3: for my add whatever kind of hits me in the zeitgeist.
Speaker 2: I'm just kind of obsessively on it.
Speaker 1: And that's the beauty of being your own boss. You
Speaker 1: can talk about whatever you want to talk about. You
Speaker 1: can just go on YouTube and you can come on
Speaker 1: here and you can talk about whatever your chat wants
Speaker 1: to talk about. You can talk about whatever you feel
Speaker 1: like you want to talk about. You're not reading off
Speaker 1: a teleprompter some nonsense that some intern wrote for you.
Speaker 1: That doesn't feel natural.
Speaker 2: Right, true? True?
Speaker 3: Yeah, look at this well see people, Look, Jackie, we
Speaker 3: have a lot of crazy people.
Speaker 2: We have some wild people in there.
Speaker 1: I went to Here's a fun fact about Anderson Cooper.
Speaker 1: When I was thirteen, thirteen, fourteen. My mother used to
Speaker 1: take us into the city every Saturday, and my sister
Speaker 1: and I went to acting classes at the Neighborhood Playhouse
Speaker 1: and Anderson Cooper was in my class.
Speaker 3: Wow.
Speaker 1: So years later, when I went into the CNN studios
Speaker 1: to interview with Anderson Cooper for a case that I
Speaker 1: was handling, I said off camera and like, you probably
Speaker 1: don't remember this, but you're the Neighborhood Playhouse, like when
Speaker 1: we were teenagers. We were in the same class. And
Speaker 1: he was like, oh my god, I remember you. And
Speaker 1: I think he was lying, but it's not that funny. Ali
Speaker 1: Sheedy also in my class. That's how old I am.
Speaker 2: Breakfast Club from the brat pack. Yeah, holy shit, I listen.
Speaker 3: I grew up on eighty sixth Street between York and
Speaker 3: in East End, right, you know, half a block from
Speaker 3: Carl Shurt's Park and now Mom Donnie's house. So I
Speaker 3: walked past the little neighborhood playoffs. What was it seventy
Speaker 3: something or.
Speaker 1: Was it the fifties? I thought it was.
Speaker 3: Between second and first.
Speaker 1: I want to saying like fifty thirty. Yeah, I don't
Speaker 1: remember exactly where it was. I remember going there and
Speaker 1: him being in my class, and Ali sheety and then
Speaker 1: she went on to do the Breakfast Club and yeah,
Speaker 1: crazy sorry, right.
Speaker 3: Holy shit, that's you were. It's like the Mickey Mouse Club.
Speaker 3: You know, he was your You were the Britney Spears
Speaker 3: and he was the Ryan Gosling and everyone goes and
Speaker 3: does their thing.
Speaker 1: This is you never know which way your life is
Speaker 1: going to go right, and you can pivot at any time.
Speaker 1: Look at us hanging out on YouTube at our age, Like,
Speaker 1: who knew this was all going to happen? I thought
Speaker 1: YouTube was just for music videos and and people playing
Speaker 1: video games and Roadblock, you know, like.
Speaker 3: Fifty fourth Street by the way, that's where that's what.
Speaker 1: I didn't go to NYU, but my sister and she
Speaker 1: went to YU with Adam Sandler. They were in the
Speaker 1: same dorm still friends to this day.
Speaker 2: Oh my god.
Speaker 3: Yeah, funny, old old stomping grounds. I don't know. Sometimes
Speaker 3: I miss New York. But you're out there, and oh,
Speaker 3: look at that. Billy Bush is afraid of socialism, and
Speaker 3: I love that for him.
Speaker 2: Yes he is, Yes he is.
Speaker 3: Billy Bush is a student of history and he's noticed
Speaker 3: that it doesn't work. Oh.
Speaker 1: I saw you a cold calling for your brother to
Speaker 1: get people to get out of the vote in Maine.
Speaker 1: I love that for you. I was a telemarketer once
Speaker 1: in high school and that was the worst job ever.
Speaker 1: And the way all those people were hanging up on you,
Speaker 1: I was just dying laughing. It was hysterical.
Speaker 2: Oh my brother lost.
Speaker 3: And oh he went up to a parade in Eastport, Maine,
Speaker 3: which is three hours plus from where we are.
Speaker 2: It is the it's the Canadian border.
Speaker 3: It's the coastline as far as you can take it
Speaker 3: in Maine to the Canadian border.
Speaker 2: It is the east.
Speaker 3: They call it Eastport, Maine because it's the easternmost city
Speaker 3: in the United States, and it's a small city, it's
Speaker 3: a town. But he was marching with Susan Collins up there,
Speaker 3: who a lot of the people that were kind of.
Speaker 2: Volunteered for him. Are now moved over to her. He
Speaker 2: lost is not the nominee, but.
Speaker 1: That's you know, that's somebody was stuff in those battle boxes.
Speaker 1: There's no way that a Bush could lose.
Speaker 3: Yeah, he's Yeah, Bushes lose right now that I mean,
Speaker 3: you know, but I there may be another day. I
Speaker 3: think he needed to he needed to lose. But every Bush,
Speaker 3: George W. Bush, George H. W. Bush, they all lost
Speaker 3: before they won. No, no, none of them just you
Speaker 3: know started winning. You gotta you gotta weed him out, right,
Speaker 3: Do you have the do you have the the stick touitiveness.
Speaker 2: To you know, get back up and run again. So
Speaker 2: we'll see. I think he will.
Speaker 3: Anyway.
Speaker 1: Good sounds like a good guy.
Speaker 2: I love you, you are. I gotta go do I
Speaker 2: gotta do a little exercise, go for a run, maybe.
Speaker 1: Maybe go from there is raining here, Jesus Christ. I
Speaker 1: mean the moon suddenly came out. Moon suddenly came out,
Speaker 1: Moon over main. We're passing that picture around, Billy like
Speaker 1: you don't know. It is now in many group texts.
Speaker 2: We are good morning.
Speaker 1: So thank you for the morning surprise you. We're having
Speaker 1: coffee with Billy Bush's moon that's what we're doing.
Speaker 3: Hot cross buns, baby put him in there, all right?
Speaker 3: USA soccer today tonight we got the big game.
Speaker 2: Let's go, everybody get together. We'll talk about it tomorrow.
Speaker 1: What do you think it is?
Speaker 3: Noon? Like I'm on the East coast?
Speaker 2: Now do we like noon as a time? Should it
Speaker 2: be a little earlier?
Speaker 1: You can ask your chap, But I like noon for
Speaker 1: you better than what we're doing before. You're doing like
Speaker 1: nine am eastern. You were doing like.
Speaker 2: Six nine pacific.
Speaker 3: You know nine am Pacific would eleven a m eastern
Speaker 3: eight Pacific? Maybe?
Speaker 6: I don't know.
Speaker 2: Then you can you know, do it works for you?
Speaker 1: And well you know people will show up, so whatever
Speaker 1: works best for you, Like you don't need to be
Speaker 1: up at the eight o'clock in the morning with like
Speaker 1: crusting your eyes coming on the earth wants that it's
Speaker 1: time to too little something. Drink your coffee, you know.
Speaker 1: I think that then you can.
Speaker 3: Go play nine holes and then come back. I'm thinking
Speaker 3: eleven am Eastern is the move exactly Bush the marsh God,
Speaker 3: damn it.
Speaker 2: What have you? I shouldn't have done it anyway?
Speaker 3: There it is?
Speaker 2: Oh well.
Speaker 3: Those are my buns?
Speaker 2: What are you gonna do.
Speaker 1: Listen, you got nothing to be ashamed of. No, no,
Speaker 1: be rocking those buns all over time.
Speaker 2: They're great buns. Let's be honest. Well, I love your
Speaker 2: bab Thank you.
Speaker 1: So much back, thanks for having me.
Speaker 3: We're all over your attorney Melanie Little on YouTube right
Speaker 3: here with us, and we are on our thanks.
Speaker 1: Thank you.
Speaker 6: Anytime I see you, my love, And you know what
Speaker 6: we should do, like if she'll do it, We'll do
Speaker 6: a little weekly gossip with with mel She's so cool.
Speaker 2: Really admire her.
Speaker 3: She's you know, she just built this on her own
Speaker 3: covid hit and she just built it.
Speaker 2: She built it.
Speaker 3: She's smart, she's uh, she's curious. She always got something
Speaker 3: to add, so uh. And that's one. And that's what
Speaker 3: the internet can be a negative place like it can
Speaker 3: be a and it can also like I didn't know
Speaker 3: Melanie before the internet YouTube is where we meet. I
Speaker 3: don't know you know anyone in here until this is
Speaker 3: with Ali in Texas for example.
Speaker 2: You know Ali in Texas and Pamela Summers.
Speaker 3: I mean, it's this is where we meet. Okay, Yeah,
Speaker 3: it's authentic little chat with her. Okay, so many things
Speaker 3: I was going to get to today. But I think
Speaker 3: we we we get ready for tomorrow, you know what
Speaker 3: I mean, And we'll do once a week with mel
Speaker 3: if she'll do it.
Speaker 2: Guys, I love you.
Speaker 3: I'm so glad that we're back already. Cut that vacation
Speaker 3: in half. What's the point of being off? This is
Speaker 3: wonderful And guys, we'll get into it tomorrow.
Speaker 2: But you know, Steve, my producer, Steve Steve.
Speaker 3: Steve's got a great opportunity and we have a new
Speaker 3: thing beginning in September for this show. We'll talk more
Speaker 3: about it as it comes up. But we have a
Speaker 3: new partnership that we can take this kind of to
Speaker 3: another level, which is kind of cool. And you know
Speaker 3: who's helping me do it.
Speaker 2: Harry.
Speaker 3: There's Harry. Harry likes to sit in the dark. He's
Speaker 3: dark Harry. He's he refuses to put a light on.
Speaker 3: He likes to work in the dark.
Speaker 7: It looks a lot darker than it is. It's pretty
Speaker 7: light in here, but I know it looks dark.
Speaker 2: Does Harry have the best voice ever?
Speaker 3: He was talking to some people that were doing this
Speaker 3: new you know show with and they were like.
Speaker 2: Oh my god, that guy's voice. Holy shit.
Speaker 7: I think I wasn't on a camera, so my voice
Speaker 7: just appeared out of nowhere. Bushy, massy Harry.
Speaker 3: So if you're wondering who keeps putting the picture my
Speaker 3: ass up there, it is uh dark Harry, and uh
Speaker 3: and light Bushy and full moon Bushy.
Speaker 2: We are out, like Buster Douglas.
Speaker 3: Thank you all, and we'll see you tomorrow, probably at
Speaker 3: eleven am. I'm thinking maybe an hour earlier. If that's okay, Tata.
Speaker 3: Let's get our little outro. Where's my little outro, Harry,
Speaker 3: little Dan leone er, you know that little thing?
Speaker 7: Yeah, I'm working. I'm working on a Hang on one
Speaker 7: second here, you know it doesn't want to go. We're
Speaker 7: gonna have to play it out with just some music, Bushy.
Speaker 2: I'm sorry, really yeah, give me some music, all right, hang.
Speaker 7: On one second. Let me give you a little something
Speaker 7: here for the hot MIC's music.
Speaker 3: Yeah, wow, man, no, man bone, got my soccer ball, Yeah,
Speaker 3: got my flags?
Speaker 2: Go U s A.
Speaker 1: You're doing me?
Speaker 3: Man?
Speaker 1: Start doesn't say.
Speaker 3: Talk another compliment. There is