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Speaker 1: Hey, what is up everybody?

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Speaker 2: Welcome to the Guilty of Charge Podcast, presented by the

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Speaker 2: Chargers Podcast Network. Minding me Stephen and I am the

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Speaker 2: host and joining me as my guy Tyler. As always, Tyler,

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Speaker 2: what's a man? How I doing today?

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Speaker 3: Doing pretty good? I'm not wearing tights and Jim, I

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Speaker 3: love the whole bringing the storm thing, but if you

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Speaker 3: could send it back, that'd be great.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, the weather's been been a delightful shall we say,

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Speaker 2: over the last few weeks here in California. So got

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Speaker 2: a lot to dive into today regarding mister Joe Jorties

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Speaker 2: and his press conference. A lot of great takeaways that

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Speaker 2: we will have some some fun things to talk about,

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Speaker 2: you know, as we kind of you know, transition from

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Speaker 2: the hiring process into okay now to what does this

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Speaker 2: all look like? What does this all you know, come together?

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Speaker 2: As I thought, Joe was fantastic today and really excited

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Speaker 2: to dive into that. As always, Tyler and I are

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Speaker 2: fans of the team just like you guys. The opinions

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Speaker 2: that we share on this show are just out there,

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Speaker 2: our opinions, not the opinions of the organization themselves. Were

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Speaker 2: very grateful to have this platform and be able to

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Speaker 2: express those opinions. And hopefully you guys have continued to

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Speaker 2: I mean, said Tyler. Let's dive into this press conference

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Speaker 2: with mister Joe Hortiz today officially introduced as Chargers general manager.

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Speaker 2: You know, we kind of joked offhand about some of

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Speaker 2: the funny moments here. I thought the story where I

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Speaker 2: don't think this was actually public knowledge, but Joe mentioned

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Speaker 2: that he met Jim Harbaugh before John Harbaugh, when Jim

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Speaker 2: was a player for the Baltimore Ravens and they shared

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Speaker 2: a competitive hed racquetball match, you know, where Jim kind

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Speaker 2: of cooked Joe in the racquetball department. So I'd be

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Speaker 2: curious to see if they could maybe replicate that racketball

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Speaker 2: especially in southern California. But that was a funny moment.

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Speaker 2: But Tyler, let's get to this serious matters here. What

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Speaker 2: was kind of your your big takeaway, you know, generality,

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Speaker 2: just really gravitated towards from today's press conference.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, how about the words cycle of comppis that's something

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Speaker 3: that we wanted throughout this process for the next general

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Speaker 3: they got that. The cycle of compis. How nice was

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Speaker 3: that to hear as a Chargers fan. And it's not

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Speaker 3: a passive process. It's one that is ongoing, and it's

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Speaker 3: a process that understands how to maximize the number of

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Speaker 3: picks and protect those picks too, and ensure that you

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Speaker 3: get as many as possible. You pointed out the last

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Speaker 3: time they were streaming to the other that the Ravens

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Speaker 3: have had fifty three compics since nineteen ninety five. The

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Speaker 3: next closest is the Packers with forty three. And if

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Speaker 3: and the Steelers. That is thirteen championships over that span.

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Speaker 3: The Chargers no championships fifth fewest, with just fourteen in

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Speaker 3: about thirty years. Two of the teams behind them are

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Speaker 3: to Cleveland until nineteen ninety nine. So the idea that

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Speaker 3: the Chargers are going to have even just one or

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Speaker 3: two more at bats in each draft is outstanding and

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Speaker 3: really exciting. One because we love the pre draft process

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Speaker 3: Two because look, even if you have a fifty percent

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Speaker 3: only hit on every other pick, having two more means

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Speaker 3: you're going to hit on one of those picks. You're

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Speaker 3: going to find another starter. You're going to find another

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Speaker 3: that's so critical for the Charges moving forward with Justin

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Speaker 2: Yeah, as you move into this era where your quarterback

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Speaker 2: That's been one of the key successes of the PA

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Speaker 2: So you know, having more pats is certainly crucial. I

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Speaker 2: his team building philosophy that he mentioned. You know, he said,

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Speaker 2: first of all, I'm a big fan of compics. He

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Speaker 2: talked about compicks four different times in this press conference unprompted.

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Speaker 2: Like it's not like somebody was like, hey, like, what's

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Speaker 2: your philosophy on compis, Like it was just unprompted, And

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Speaker 2: every time he talked about compics he smiled like he like,

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Speaker 2: he loves compics, and I think it he understands how

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Speaker 2: much of a cheat code it can be for your franchise.

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Speaker 2: But the specific quote here too, I think it is interesting.

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Speaker 2: You know, he says, let's create that cycle of compis.

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Speaker 1: How do you do that?

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Speaker 2: You get as many picks as you can early and

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Speaker 2: So I thought that was an interesting draft nugget potentially

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Speaker 2: I've said before, like, if I were Joe Ortiz, Michael

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Speaker 2: find a way to trade around, maybe trades the players.

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Speaker 2: But I thought that was an interesting thing that, like

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Speaker 2: right away, he's like, I want to get as many

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Speaker 2: kind of lines up with where the Chargers are at financially,

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Speaker 2: with the Justin Herbert contract, with the Big Four in

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Speaker 2: like cycle of compics, but that was one that stood

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Speaker 3: Yeah, and he's going to get that through a variety

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Speaker 3: twelve moves that they might have made over the course

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Speaker 3: since twenty eleven forty three different transactions the Ravens had made.

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Speaker 3: Whether it's trading four, a player trading away, up, player

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Speaker 3: the flexibility that that provides, because you know the best way.

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Speaker 3: The biggest compliment I can give the Ravens and Joe

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Speaker 3: how lucky it seemed like they were to always have

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Speaker 3: It's designed because they always know how to work the board,

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Speaker 3: why the Ravens are so good.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, they they play the board better than anybody.

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Speaker 2: And I think the fact that the Chargers have somebody,

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Speaker 2: I think the other side of the compensatory picks thing

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Speaker 2: unfortunately the Chargers do not have that many free agents

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Speaker 2: That list is obviously most Austin Eckler and Gerald Everett.

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Speaker 2: Maybe Alohi Gilman is a guy who couldn't net a

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Speaker 2: of what the needs are on defense. But Jim Harba

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Speaker 2: He has an electric personality. There were some comparisons of

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Speaker 2: So what that does in the short term is pretty

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Speaker 3: Well. He also mentioned Geordie's I should say mentioned that

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Speaker 2: Yeah, and he mentioned like protecting the compics with those

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Speaker 2: a cycle of things. You know that Joe Harty's is

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Speaker 2: some players that, you know, maybe we have more faith

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Speaker 2: I think it's one that is pretty exciting. I think,

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Speaker 2: you know, kind of adding on to that is, you

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Speaker 2: truly like make this team better and you mentioned a

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Speaker 2: few of those ways obviously, Tyler, but you know he

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Speaker 1: You know, he's not here to mail it in. Like

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Speaker 3: a fourth and one. I mean that that's Keenan out.

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Speaker 3: He's that good of a blocker. So yeah, I could

434
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Speaker 3: se why Jim Harba'll be fired fired up about him.

435
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Speaker 2: There's this one this year against the Raiders where he

436
00:21:17,400 --> 00:21:21,520
Speaker 2: was chip helping on Rashaan Slater and he laid the

437
00:21:21,520 --> 00:21:25,040
Speaker 2: wood on Tyree Wilson. I think it was of the Raiders.

438
00:21:24,800 --> 00:21:26,840
Speaker 2: He's done that a few times. I remember there.

439
00:21:26,880 --> 00:21:28,080
Speaker 1: The Chargers ran a crack.

440
00:21:27,960 --> 00:21:31,760
Speaker 2: Toss I want to say in twenty twenty one, and

441
00:21:31,800 --> 00:21:33,720
Speaker 2: I want to say it was against the Dallas Cowboys

442
00:21:33,960 --> 00:21:38,000
Speaker 2: and he uprooted Leyton vander Esh I believe out of

443
00:21:38,040 --> 00:21:40,760
Speaker 2: his spot on a cracked toss too. So Keenanan is

444
00:21:40,800 --> 00:21:43,240
Speaker 2: definitely willing to do the dirty work, but you need

445
00:21:43,280 --> 00:21:45,240
Speaker 2: other guys to do the dirty work as well. Josh

446
00:21:45,280 --> 00:21:48,439
Speaker 2: Palmer has improved as a blocker, I would say, so

447
00:21:48,520 --> 00:21:50,520
Speaker 2: he's a guy I would trust to do dirty work.

448
00:21:50,520 --> 00:21:52,959
Speaker 2: But with how much this team is going to run

449
00:21:52,960 --> 00:21:55,600
Speaker 2: the football, you're gonna need multiple water receivers who can block.

450
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Speaker 1: So again, there's something to keep in mind.

451
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Speaker 3: There, Steven, any other notable takeaways from the presser.

452
00:22:03,080 --> 00:22:07,400
Speaker 2: Yeah, I thought his point about the importance of data

453
00:22:07,440 --> 00:22:11,760
Speaker 2: and analytics was really valuable as well. Obviously, we've we've

454
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Speaker 2: heard that he's bringing somebody over that's a data management

455
00:22:17,160 --> 00:22:20,000
Speaker 2: that carried that data management role in Baltimore with him,

456
00:22:20,920 --> 00:22:23,439
Speaker 2: so we'll see how that goes. But his full quote

457
00:22:23,440 --> 00:22:26,280
Speaker 2: on data and analytics, I think is an important thing

458
00:22:26,320 --> 00:22:28,800
Speaker 2: because everybody kind of pictures like analytics is like the

459
00:22:28,840 --> 00:22:30,879
Speaker 2: fourth down stuff and the game management stuff, and that's

460
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Speaker 2: certainly part of it. But you know he's pointing this

461
00:22:33,160 --> 00:22:36,480
Speaker 2: out too, that it's part of the personnel department as well.

462
00:22:37,240 --> 00:22:38,840
Speaker 2: His full quote on it was.

463
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Speaker 1: Certainly.

464
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Speaker 2: I think it's valuable. I've seen the output and I've

465
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Speaker 2: seen how it helped us in Baltimore. We're going to

466
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Speaker 2: try to build that here. They've already been doing it.

467
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Speaker 2: I've had a chance to talk to some of our

468
00:22:49,720 --> 00:22:52,680
Speaker 2: analysts already. I'm really excited to work with them. Will

469
00:22:52,760 --> 00:22:55,520
Speaker 2: continue to grow that. Again, it's on the field, it's

470
00:22:55,600 --> 00:22:58,639
Speaker 2: off the field. It's the business side, it's the personnel side,

471
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Speaker 2: and certainly it's the game management and playing side, also

472
00:23:01,640 --> 00:23:04,560
Speaker 2: sports performance. There are so many ways that you can

473
00:23:04,640 --> 00:23:07,080
Speaker 2: use data to get better, and we're going to do

474
00:23:07,119 --> 00:23:09,000
Speaker 2: it because it helps you improve. It helps cover your

475
00:23:09,000 --> 00:23:12,000
Speaker 2: blind spots in scouting. You can have your favorites as

476
00:23:12,000 --> 00:23:14,359
Speaker 2: a player, this guy fits what I like sort of thing,

477
00:23:14,880 --> 00:23:17,199
Speaker 2: and you have the analytics behind you saying yeah, I

478
00:23:17,200 --> 00:23:19,639
Speaker 2: don't think you like this guy as much, Joe. You

479
00:23:19,760 --> 00:23:22,880
Speaker 2: definitely have to use it. It is very helpful. So

480
00:23:23,240 --> 00:23:26,359
Speaker 2: we're big proponents of data and analytics, and obviously we

481
00:23:26,440 --> 00:23:29,119
Speaker 2: have our guy argen Is, who does an analytics feature

482
00:23:29,160 --> 00:23:31,960
Speaker 2: for us every week during the season. But what is

483
00:23:32,000 --> 00:23:36,680
Speaker 2: your take on his his positive outlook on analytics and

484
00:23:36,720 --> 00:23:38,800
Speaker 2: how it helps him as as a personnel guy.

485
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Speaker 3: I just love that it's it's one more check for

486
00:23:41,560 --> 00:23:44,760
Speaker 3: you just in case maybe it's a tiebreaker. Often for us,

487
00:23:44,800 --> 00:23:47,480
Speaker 3: it is looking for between two running backs. Okay, what's

488
00:23:47,480 --> 00:23:51,359
Speaker 3: the tiebreaker? But you really do want to use the film,

489
00:23:51,359 --> 00:23:53,000
Speaker 3: of course, and the film is the number one thing.

490
00:23:53,359 --> 00:23:55,880
Speaker 3: We just want to have that check as well, to say, hey,

491
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Speaker 3: I don't know if he's exactly you know, who you

492
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Speaker 3: think he is. I don't know if he's exactly the

493
00:24:00,760 --> 00:24:02,880
Speaker 3: number one guy here. Could you consider this other guy

494
00:24:03,320 --> 00:24:05,639
Speaker 3: maybe has some sort of advantage in some other areas.

495
00:24:05,720 --> 00:24:08,240
Speaker 3: So I love that just for him. He's he's willing,

496
00:24:08,280 --> 00:24:09,920
Speaker 3: and you know, I don't have humbles the right way,

497
00:24:09,920 --> 00:24:12,760
Speaker 3: but humble enough to accept the fact that, okay, wait,

498
00:24:13,280 --> 00:24:14,479
Speaker 3: you know, maybe I just had a bit of a

499
00:24:14,480 --> 00:24:17,239
Speaker 3: bias here. Well here's actually what the numbers say, and

500
00:24:17,280 --> 00:24:19,720
Speaker 3: make a decision based on that, not just the film

501
00:24:19,920 --> 00:24:22,800
Speaker 3: or not just numbers or just a bias or a

502
00:24:22,880 --> 00:24:24,800
Speaker 3: hunt or whatever. It's everything altogether.

503
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Speaker 2: Yeah, I think the whole aspect of scouting and evaluating,

504
00:24:28,760 --> 00:24:31,640
Speaker 2: like the film is definitely like the most important thing,

505
00:24:32,280 --> 00:24:34,040
Speaker 2: but you have to check every box. And he talked

506
00:24:34,040 --> 00:24:35,959
Speaker 2: about this a little bit too, in terms of like

507
00:24:36,160 --> 00:24:38,440
Speaker 2: the kind of people they're trying to add as well.

508
00:24:38,960 --> 00:24:42,399
Speaker 2: So you're trying to get the film, the person, the data,

509
00:24:42,760 --> 00:24:45,080
Speaker 2: everything that you know, physical testing. All of it needs

510
00:24:45,119 --> 00:24:47,000
Speaker 2: to kind of line up for you to take a

511
00:24:47,040 --> 00:24:49,800
Speaker 2: chance on a player, and there are certainly times where

512
00:24:49,840 --> 00:24:52,480
Speaker 2: he has and the Ravens have, you know, looked at

513
00:24:52,480 --> 00:24:55,280
Speaker 2: a physical outlier and still taken that player. You know,

514
00:24:55,320 --> 00:24:56,960
Speaker 2: they took a center in the first round, they took

515
00:24:56,960 --> 00:24:59,040
Speaker 2: a safety in the first round, they took a smaller

516
00:24:59,040 --> 00:25:02,639
Speaker 2: wide receiver in the first Those are not you know,

517
00:25:02,720 --> 00:25:05,760
Speaker 2: necessarily one hundred percent data fits. But it's the film,

518
00:25:05,800 --> 00:25:09,840
Speaker 2: it's the person, it's everything. And I think, like, you know, again,

519
00:25:09,880 --> 00:25:13,080
Speaker 2: the analytics these days has such a negative connotation sometimes,

520
00:25:13,119 --> 00:25:15,840
Speaker 2: but at the same time it's all a valuable resource.

521
00:25:16,280 --> 00:25:18,200
Speaker 2: I was watching a film of one of the center

522
00:25:18,200 --> 00:25:20,119
Speaker 2: prospects the other day and I was like, I.

523
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Speaker 1: Really like this guy. He's like, he's got some physical

524
00:25:21,760 --> 00:25:22,760
Speaker 1: tools in he's aggressive.

525
00:25:23,080 --> 00:25:24,760
Speaker 2: And then I looked at his past pocket efficiency, right,

526
00:25:24,800 --> 00:25:27,240
Speaker 2: and I was like, Okay, maybe not so much anymore.

527
00:25:28,320 --> 00:25:30,280
Speaker 2: So it all has to line up, and I think

528
00:25:30,280 --> 00:25:33,520
Speaker 2: that's the underrated aspect of it. But I think this

529
00:25:33,560 --> 00:25:37,320
Speaker 2: is all going back to the way that he wants

530
00:25:37,359 --> 00:25:41,320
Speaker 2: to make sure every stone is unturned in every aspect

531
00:25:41,400 --> 00:25:45,960
Speaker 2: of building the roster, and that's that includes using data

532
00:25:46,320 --> 00:25:48,520
Speaker 2: to back up their opinions and be able to look

533
00:25:48,520 --> 00:25:51,480
Speaker 2: at every single resource and find some hidden gems that

534
00:25:51,880 --> 00:25:55,680
Speaker 2: maybe aren't necessarily from you know, an SEC school. But man,

535
00:25:55,720 --> 00:25:58,840
Speaker 2: this guy has a super high mistackle rate or mistackle

536
00:25:58,880 --> 00:26:02,000
Speaker 2: force rate. Maybe this guy is great after the catch,

537
00:26:02,280 --> 00:26:04,639
Speaker 2: but he played at Tulsa or something like that. You know,

538
00:26:04,640 --> 00:26:07,480
Speaker 2: it's always of finding an edge for your roster, and

539
00:26:07,560 --> 00:26:11,399
Speaker 2: I think it's everything from Joe Ortis for me, is

540
00:26:11,480 --> 00:26:14,639
Speaker 2: that he is going to look at every single possible

541
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Speaker 2: way to find edges on this roster, and data included.

542
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Speaker 3: First off, apologies to Tulsa if you're listening. Didn't mean

543
00:26:21,880 --> 00:26:25,600
Speaker 3: to shoot any straights your way, but no, I do

544
00:26:25,720 --> 00:26:28,000
Speaker 3: love the idea that the Chargers are going to be

545
00:26:28,000 --> 00:26:30,439
Speaker 3: looking for all these advantages. I mean, even throughout just

546
00:26:30,560 --> 00:26:34,000
Speaker 3: this episode, we've discussed those advantages. Hello, it's fifty three

547
00:26:34,080 --> 00:26:38,360
Speaker 3: compics since nineteen ninety five. Hello, it's forty three different transactions,

548
00:26:38,400 --> 00:26:41,879
Speaker 3: trades up, trades down, trading players, trading four players, whatever,

549
00:26:42,200 --> 00:26:45,879
Speaker 3: since twenty eleven. It's looking at the analytics, it's having

550
00:26:45,920 --> 00:26:49,399
Speaker 3: these discussions. It's just it's the weight room, you know,

551
00:26:49,440 --> 00:26:51,760
Speaker 3: it's everything for the Charges is going to be maximized,

552
00:26:52,119 --> 00:26:55,960
Speaker 3: and to me, well, maybe we'll never really know outside

553
00:26:56,000 --> 00:26:58,679
Speaker 3: of just oh, good player was selected. Maybe throughout all

554
00:26:58,720 --> 00:27:02,440
Speaker 3: this we'll never really know where each little bit added up.

555
00:27:02,920 --> 00:27:04,760
Speaker 3: I think when you start seeing the Chargers in the

556
00:27:04,760 --> 00:27:08,879
Speaker 3: postseason being contenders, winning the games that they shouldn't, you know,

557
00:27:09,040 --> 00:27:10,920
Speaker 3: be favored to win or they aren't favored to win,

558
00:27:11,240 --> 00:27:13,720
Speaker 3: going on the road and beating that team and being

559
00:27:13,720 --> 00:27:15,800
Speaker 3: a consistent winner, I think that's when we'll start to

560
00:27:15,800 --> 00:27:18,240
Speaker 3: see Okay, like I don't know where and at which

561
00:27:18,280 --> 00:27:20,440
Speaker 3: point and how much each of these things added up,

562
00:27:20,600 --> 00:27:22,480
Speaker 3: but they did and the Charges are much better team

563
00:27:22,560 --> 00:27:22,880
Speaker 3: for it.

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Speaker 1: Yeah.

565
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Speaker 2: I think a lot of this and you know who,

566
00:27:27,880 --> 00:27:30,120
Speaker 2: like the resume stuff that Joey is like, we can

567
00:27:30,160 --> 00:27:33,600
Speaker 2: start to figure out, okay, maybe some potential free agency targets,

568
00:27:33,600 --> 00:27:36,480
Speaker 2: some potential draft targets. And I was very excited to

569
00:27:36,560 --> 00:27:40,040
Speaker 2: get a lot of that intel from him and hear

570
00:27:40,080 --> 00:27:42,679
Speaker 2: about his general philosophy and things like that, because you

571
00:27:42,760 --> 00:27:45,520
Speaker 2: think you know what a guy's philosophy is based off

572
00:27:45,520 --> 00:27:47,320
Speaker 2: of like where he's been and where he's come up.

573
00:27:47,640 --> 00:27:51,040
Speaker 2: But for him to be this upfront about everything was

574
00:27:51,040 --> 00:27:55,000
Speaker 2: really refreshing. I love the press conference in general. Kind

575
00:27:55,000 --> 00:27:57,479
Speaker 2: of last thought for me here is how he spoke

576
00:27:57,640 --> 00:28:01,160
Speaker 2: about his relationship with Jim Harbor, and also like.

577
00:28:01,160 --> 00:28:02,920
Speaker 1: How he viewed the Chargers job.

578
00:28:04,280 --> 00:28:06,760
Speaker 2: It felt very clear that this is a guy who

579
00:28:06,960 --> 00:28:11,600
Speaker 2: really loved his time in Baltimore, cherished those moments, those relationships,

580
00:28:11,640 --> 00:28:14,320
Speaker 2: and for him to leave it had to be the

581
00:28:14,359 --> 00:28:17,760
Speaker 2: perfect situation. And I think that really came out and

582
00:28:17,760 --> 00:28:20,960
Speaker 2: how he spoke about, you know, the conversations he's had

583
00:28:21,000 --> 00:28:23,720
Speaker 2: with Jim across the years about oh man, I would

584
00:28:23,720 --> 00:28:25,480
Speaker 2: love to like if you make that jump back to

585
00:28:25,480 --> 00:28:27,120
Speaker 2: the NFL, like you're a guy I would really love

586
00:28:27,160 --> 00:28:29,680
Speaker 2: to like work under. You know, he's worked with him,

587
00:28:29,840 --> 00:28:32,320
Speaker 2: you know, across several fronts of scouting and things like that.

588
00:28:32,760 --> 00:28:34,359
Speaker 2: And then also the way that he spoke about the

589
00:28:34,400 --> 00:28:37,840
Speaker 2: Ownership Group and justin Herbert to him, he called it

590
00:28:37,880 --> 00:28:39,800
Speaker 2: a dream job, and I could tell that it was

591
00:28:39,840 --> 00:28:42,440
Speaker 2: a sincere thing that he really believes that this is

592
00:28:43,040 --> 00:28:45,160
Speaker 2: the best spot for him to be a GM. And

593
00:28:45,200 --> 00:28:48,240
Speaker 2: I think that definitely is worth talking about because a

594
00:28:48,240 --> 00:28:50,200
Speaker 2: guy like him could have just stayed.

595
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Speaker 1: In Baltimore, had a great life, a great career.

596
00:28:52,400 --> 00:28:54,200
Speaker 2: You know, you've been there for twenty plus years, but

597
00:28:55,120 --> 00:28:57,680
Speaker 2: he chose the Chargers, and I think that obviously the

598
00:28:57,720 --> 00:29:02,120
Speaker 2: Chargers chose him, but the wait of his feelings about

599
00:29:02,200 --> 00:29:04,600
Speaker 2: how good this job is, I think is definitely worth

600
00:29:04,640 --> 00:29:05,200
Speaker 2: talking about.

601
00:29:06,400 --> 00:29:08,880
Speaker 3: It really feels that way that the Chargers are that

602
00:29:09,000 --> 00:29:12,320
Speaker 3: dream job and we're that opening for these guys. I mean,

603
00:29:12,400 --> 00:29:16,000
Speaker 3: Jim Harbaugh has been courted by NFL teams for years now,

604
00:29:16,520 --> 00:29:19,240
Speaker 3: and this past year he was courted by another NFL

605
00:29:19,320 --> 00:29:21,840
Speaker 3: team and of course by Michigan, and I'm sure there

606
00:29:21,840 --> 00:29:25,240
Speaker 3: were potentially very good enticing offers there, and he didn't

607
00:29:25,320 --> 00:29:27,520
Speaker 3: leave two years ago, he didn't leave last year, but

608
00:29:27,560 --> 00:29:30,120
Speaker 3: he left this year for this job because he said

609
00:29:30,120 --> 00:29:33,160
Speaker 3: it was a dream job, and he did cite ownership

610
00:29:33,160 --> 00:29:36,000
Speaker 3: and previous conversations and things like that or t the

611
00:29:36,120 --> 00:29:39,440
Speaker 3: same thing. I mean, you have, the Ravens are, if

612
00:29:39,480 --> 00:29:42,600
Speaker 3: not arguably one of the best organizations in football and

613
00:29:42,680 --> 00:29:46,120
Speaker 3: have been for a very long time. Any team could

614
00:29:46,120 --> 00:29:49,360
Speaker 3: have called him, and he could have taken probably any

615
00:29:49,440 --> 00:29:53,400
Speaker 3: one of thirty something jobs over the past decade, but

616
00:29:53,520 --> 00:29:57,240
Speaker 3: he didn't. He waited, and he waited for this job specifically.

617
00:29:57,280 --> 00:29:59,200
Speaker 3: So I just think it is really cool for the

618
00:29:59,280 --> 00:30:01,080
Speaker 3: Chargers to be seen in that light, and I think

619
00:30:01,120 --> 00:30:05,240
Speaker 3: that'll mean something moving forward for you know, future employees,

620
00:30:05,440 --> 00:30:08,320
Speaker 3: for future free agents, that sort of thing. The Chargers,

621
00:30:08,840 --> 00:30:10,800
Speaker 3: you know, even though they had a losing season, they're

622
00:30:10,840 --> 00:30:14,160
Speaker 3: held in this reverence because now of the ownership group,

623
00:30:14,160 --> 00:30:16,800
Speaker 3: because of Jim Harbor, Joe Ortiz, justin Herbert and have

624
00:30:16,880 --> 00:30:19,160
Speaker 3: all these places in the pieces in place right now.

625
00:30:19,440 --> 00:30:21,320
Speaker 3: I think I think players are gonna want to play

626
00:30:21,320 --> 00:30:21,800
Speaker 3: for these guys.

627
00:30:22,840 --> 00:30:25,160
Speaker 2: Yeah, one hundred percent. I think you can hear the

628
00:30:25,280 --> 00:30:29,440
Speaker 2: enthusiasm in Joe Orty's his voice. I mean he's needed

629
00:30:29,440 --> 00:30:31,840
Speaker 2: a towel because he's just fired up. He loves compics like,

630
00:30:31,880 --> 00:30:33,920
Speaker 2: this is the guy you definitely want as your GM,

631
00:30:33,960 --> 00:30:36,800
Speaker 2: and I'm really excited for it. I think, you know,

632
00:30:36,800 --> 00:30:39,480
Speaker 2: we've talked about a lot about alignment. This is definitely

633
00:30:39,520 --> 00:30:43,000
Speaker 2: a day where you can feel the relationship of Jim

634
00:30:43,000 --> 00:30:45,720
Speaker 2: Harbaugh and Joe Orty is playing to the Chargers advantage.

635
00:30:46,120 --> 00:30:47,360
Speaker 2: And this is really exciting.

636
00:30:47,400 --> 00:30:47,560
Speaker 1: Man.

637
00:30:47,640 --> 00:30:49,480
Speaker 2: Like I love the draft. The draft is one of

638
00:30:49,480 --> 00:30:52,320
Speaker 2: my favorite things about football. And having Joe at the

639
00:30:52,320 --> 00:30:55,320
Speaker 2: forefront with his vision with Jim, I think it's going

640
00:30:55,400 --> 00:30:57,840
Speaker 2: to make this You know that much more exciting of

641
00:30:57,880 --> 00:31:01,240
Speaker 2: a draft season. Maybe not so much free agency. Obviously

642
00:31:01,240 --> 00:31:03,080
Speaker 2: they have some big decisions, but the cap space could

643
00:31:03,160 --> 00:31:06,640
Speaker 2: theoretically be a little limited here, so the draft is

644
00:31:06,640 --> 00:31:08,400
Speaker 2: really gonna be the forefront. And then next year they're

645
00:31:08,400 --> 00:31:10,080
Speaker 2: gonna have a ton of resources, a lot of cap spaces,

646
00:31:10,120 --> 00:31:11,680
Speaker 2: a lot of draft picks come in their way. So

647
00:31:12,360 --> 00:31:15,720
Speaker 2: it's certainly exciting times for sure on the Joe Hoorties front.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, so exciting. I mean even in the draft, like

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Speaker 3: the Ravens have drafted so well, and the idea that

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Speaker 3: the Charges can get a little piece of that is

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Speaker 3: going to be so exciting, and the fact that they

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Speaker 3: could pick even more players in the coming years, it's

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Speaker 3: just so exciting. It's you know, we know who that

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Speaker 3: where the Charges are picking right now, And and Hortez

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Speaker 3: definitely did a very good job of saying at five

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Speaker 3: and we're currently at five and then that sort of thing.

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Speaker 3: So we didn't quite mention too much about trading up

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Speaker 3: or back yet. But they're not going to stay at

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Speaker 3: every spot, I don't think in this upcoming draft, and

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Speaker 3: that makes it really exciting.

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Speaker 2: No, I would, I would if they were a prop

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Speaker 2: at of Chargers draft trade on Chargers trades on draft weekend,

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Speaker 2: I would probably take the over at this point based

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Speaker 2: off of what Joe Ortiz was saying today. So should

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Speaker 2: be a lot of fun, Very excited to cover all

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Speaker 2: of that process. Our guy Trevor Sikima will be back

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Speaker 2: next week and we'll, you know, ask him some questions

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Speaker 2: about that. One final thing before we leave today. Adam

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Speaker 2: Schefter and alber Beer have confirmed that jesse Minter, the

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Speaker 2: former Michigan defensive coordinator, is going to be the Chargers

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Speaker 2: defensive coordinator. So we talked about him a little bit previously, Tyler,

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Speaker 2: But any other extra thoughts about jesse Minter being the

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Speaker 2: Chargers defensive coordinator.

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Speaker 3: No extra thoughts, just I'm excited for the alignment that

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Speaker 3: there's going to be from general manager to head coach

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Speaker 3: the defensive coordinator. That alignment's going to be key.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, rising star in the profession. I think Chargers fans

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Speaker 2: should be very excited about that. The Baltimore Ravens defense

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Speaker 2: is kind of becoming the new meta of defense, so

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Speaker 2: it's going to be very very fun to watch that

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Speaker 2: defense come come together. Jesse Minter is a big fan

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Speaker 2: of simulated pressures, stunts, twist splitzes. So they're gonna get

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Speaker 2: after quarterbacks this year. It's gonna be a lot of

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Speaker 2: fun to see how they exactly do that, how him

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Speaker 2: and Joe Orties come up with a specific roster of choice. But,

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Speaker 2: like Tyler mentioned, everything's aligned so far. All right, Tyler,

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Speaker 2: any final thoughts before we head out?

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Speaker 1: Oh?

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Speaker 3: Man, just excited. Let's get to free agency. Let's get

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Speaker 3: to the draft. It's February and I don't know what

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Speaker 3: to do for the next month, but I guess I'll watch.

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Speaker 1: Some film, watch a lot of draft tape.

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Speaker 2: We'll have everything covered on our channel on this channel,

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Speaker 2: some free agency discussions as well. So hopefully you guys

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Speaker 2: enjoyed the show. Hopefully had a great time listening to

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Speaker 2: the press conferences in the last two weeks. I know

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Speaker 2: I certainly have. It's a great time obviously to be

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Speaker 2: a Charged fan. So appreciate you guys for all the support.

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Speaker 2: Make sure like subscribe all that good stuff. Appreciate Eddie

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Speaker 2: Olvera and Greg Kim for producing the show as always,

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Speaker 2: Appreciate the Charges channel for having us, and we'll see

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Speaker 2: you next week.

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Speaker 1: As always, full time