1 00:00:00,200 --> 00:00:03,000 Speaker 1: The focus will be on the Negro League's tribute on 2 00:00:03,080 --> 00:00:06,160 Speaker 1: Willy on Liquid Field. We are all quite excited to 3 00:00:06,160 --> 00:00:08,680 Speaker 1: do this game. It's an honor to do this game. 4 00:00:11,880 --> 00:00:15,080 Speaker 1: Welcome everyone to the Thursday edition of Fair Territory. I'm 5 00:00:15,160 --> 00:00:18,119 Speaker 1: Ken Rosenthal here with Alana Rizzo. I am coming to 6 00:00:18,160 --> 00:00:21,239 Speaker 1: you today from Birmingham, Alabama, that is the site of 7 00:00:21,239 --> 00:00:24,119 Speaker 1: the Rickwood game tonight on Fox to tribute to the 8 00:00:24,160 --> 00:00:27,760 Speaker 1: Negro Leagues the remembrance of Willie Mays. It's going to 9 00:00:27,760 --> 00:00:29,280 Speaker 1: be a very special night a Lona. 10 00:00:29,440 --> 00:00:31,600 Speaker 2: Oh, Ken, I'm so jealous. I'm so excited that you're there. 11 00:00:31,640 --> 00:00:33,640 Speaker 2: I can't wait to watch the game tonight on Fox 12 00:00:33,640 --> 00:00:36,400 Speaker 2: and see what you're going to be talking about. But obviously, 13 00:00:36,680 --> 00:00:40,519 Speaker 2: what a special moment for baseball to invest in the 14 00:00:40,560 --> 00:00:43,840 Speaker 2: Negro Leagues and invest in Rickwood Field, the oldest professional 15 00:00:43,880 --> 00:00:47,879 Speaker 2: baseball park in our great country. So looking forward to that. 16 00:00:47,960 --> 00:00:51,360 Speaker 2: Let's talk a little bit about Willie Mays and what 17 00:00:51,440 --> 00:00:53,519 Speaker 2: he meant to you. I don't know, Ken, in all 18 00:00:53,520 --> 00:00:55,760 Speaker 2: of your years covering this great game, if you have 19 00:00:55,800 --> 00:00:58,040 Speaker 2: a specific Willy May story that you'd want to share. 20 00:00:58,840 --> 00:01:01,480 Speaker 1: Well, I didn't really cover him because he was before 21 00:01:01,520 --> 00:01:04,759 Speaker 1: my time as a player, but he was my father's 22 00:01:04,760 --> 00:01:07,600 Speaker 1: favorite player. And my dad grew up in the Bronx 23 00:01:08,280 --> 00:01:10,720 Speaker 1: near the Polo Grounds near Yankee Stadium as well. But 24 00:01:10,800 --> 00:01:13,399 Speaker 1: he was a New York Giants fan and Willi was 25 00:01:13,440 --> 00:01:16,600 Speaker 1: his guy, as WILLI was the guy for so many people, 26 00:01:16,680 --> 00:01:18,960 Speaker 1: not just in New York but all over the country 27 00:01:18,959 --> 00:01:23,160 Speaker 1: and of course later in San Francisco. My dad claims 28 00:01:23,200 --> 00:01:25,440 Speaker 1: he was at the Miracle at Coogan's Bluff in nineteen 29 00:01:25,520 --> 00:01:27,840 Speaker 1: fifty one when Bobby Thompson hit the shot round the 30 00:01:27,880 --> 00:01:30,360 Speaker 1: World with Willy on deck. I don't know if that's true. 31 00:01:30,400 --> 00:01:32,760 Speaker 1: He's not here with us anymore. I can't verify it. 32 00:01:32,920 --> 00:01:35,760 Speaker 1: But that was my memory of Willie Maye, just what 33 00:01:35,840 --> 00:01:39,120 Speaker 1: my dad would talk about, the way he played, the 34 00:01:39,200 --> 00:01:42,920 Speaker 1: excitement he generated, and of course the immense talent and. 35 00:01:42,959 --> 00:01:43,680 Speaker 3: Rick wood Field. 36 00:01:43,680 --> 00:01:46,960 Speaker 2: What a special venue for this game tonight, ken between 37 00:01:47,000 --> 00:01:49,920 Speaker 2: the San Francisco Giants, very apropos of course, but also 38 00:01:50,040 --> 00:01:52,360 Speaker 2: the Saint Louis Cardinals. Two teams are still very much 39 00:01:52,360 --> 00:01:54,560 Speaker 2: alive in that wildcard hunt in the National League. But 40 00:01:54,600 --> 00:01:56,360 Speaker 2: to be able to go and put on the throwback 41 00:01:56,480 --> 00:01:59,560 Speaker 2: uniforms and be able to walk on the same field 42 00:01:59,560 --> 00:02:01,560 Speaker 2: that some of the game's greats were able to. One 43 00:02:01,640 --> 00:02:05,000 Speaker 2: hundred and seven current day Hall of Famers have stepped 44 00:02:05,040 --> 00:02:07,920 Speaker 2: foot at Rickwood Field in some form or fashion. I mean, 45 00:02:07,960 --> 00:02:10,160 Speaker 2: that's gonna be really cool for you to be able 46 00:02:10,160 --> 00:02:11,440 Speaker 2: to witness history tonight. 47 00:02:12,040 --> 00:02:14,480 Speaker 1: It's living history, and it's amazing. A lot on what 48 00:02:14,480 --> 00:02:16,680 Speaker 1: they've done to the field. First of all, as you said, 49 00:02:16,720 --> 00:02:18,639 Speaker 1: at the stadium is one hundred and fourteen years old. 50 00:02:18,639 --> 00:02:21,120 Speaker 1: They basically had to redo the entire field. I'm sure 51 00:02:21,120 --> 00:02:23,680 Speaker 1: we'll be talking about that tonight. They had to move 52 00:02:23,720 --> 00:02:27,800 Speaker 1: home plate back, move the back wall up, reorient the 53 00:02:27,840 --> 00:02:32,440 Speaker 1: field five degrees counterclockwise, take out five thousand tons of. 54 00:02:32,360 --> 00:02:35,200 Speaker 4: Material, all of that. But what is so cool, as 55 00:02:35,200 --> 00:02:36,760 Speaker 4: you mentioned, is the history here. 56 00:02:37,160 --> 00:02:40,400 Speaker 1: The Birmingham Barons played here, the old Birmingham Barons, the 57 00:02:40,400 --> 00:02:42,880 Speaker 1: Birmingham Black Barons played here at the same time, the 58 00:02:42,919 --> 00:02:46,880 Speaker 1: Negro League's team, and beyond that, there were Major League 59 00:02:46,880 --> 00:02:49,320 Speaker 1: teams that stopped here for spring training. That's how Babe 60 00:02:49,360 --> 00:02:52,880 Speaker 1: Ruth played here. Is so all of these ghosts will 61 00:02:52,919 --> 00:02:55,440 Speaker 1: be at Rickwood And of course the biggest one of 62 00:02:55,520 --> 00:02:59,440 Speaker 1: all now is Willy. Willy made his professional debut at 63 00:02:59,480 --> 00:03:02,760 Speaker 1: age seven thing team for the Birmingham Black Barons at 64 00:03:02,840 --> 00:03:07,639 Speaker 1: rickwood Field. It doesn't get much more historic or poignt 65 00:03:07,680 --> 00:03:07,920 Speaker 1: than that. 66 00:03:08,480 --> 00:03:09,359 Speaker 3: It's really incredible. 67 00:03:09,360 --> 00:03:12,480 Speaker 2: And Leo du Rocher said that Willie Mays Ken did 68 00:03:12,520 --> 00:03:15,080 Speaker 2: not need to be taught anything. He knew everything, how 69 00:03:15,120 --> 00:03:16,919 Speaker 2: to do everything. The only other player that he could 70 00:03:16,960 --> 00:03:20,640 Speaker 2: think of like that was Joe DiMaggio. And Joe DiMaggio 71 00:03:20,720 --> 00:03:22,640 Speaker 2: even said, you know what, I think, Willy Mays is 72 00:03:22,680 --> 00:03:24,960 Speaker 2: the closest thing to perfect as far as a player 73 00:03:25,000 --> 00:03:27,640 Speaker 2: as I've ever seen. I'm certainly paraphrasing those quotes, but 74 00:03:27,800 --> 00:03:30,240 Speaker 2: it's just amazing what Willy Mays has meant to so 75 00:03:30,440 --> 00:03:33,000 Speaker 2: many people in the game, and even in today's game. 76 00:03:33,040 --> 00:03:35,760 Speaker 2: You'll see later on coming up what Logan Web did 77 00:03:35,920 --> 00:03:39,800 Speaker 2: in terms of being able to honor Willy Mays. When 78 00:03:39,840 --> 00:03:41,960 Speaker 2: you think about rick wood Field, if you think about 79 00:03:42,000 --> 00:03:45,080 Speaker 2: the Negro League players Ken, it wasn't integrated until I 80 00:03:45,080 --> 00:03:47,920 Speaker 2: believe nineteen fifty four, right when Stan Mutual hit that 81 00:03:48,640 --> 00:03:51,440 Speaker 2: massive home run. But to be able to walk in 82 00:03:51,520 --> 00:03:54,040 Speaker 2: the same I kind of liken it to, you know, 83 00:03:54,160 --> 00:03:56,360 Speaker 2: Field of Dreams a little bit, But this is this 84 00:03:56,520 --> 00:03:59,400 Speaker 2: was real. This was a real field that players got 85 00:03:59,400 --> 00:04:01,720 Speaker 2: to play on, and just the history there that's got 86 00:04:01,720 --> 00:04:06,080 Speaker 2: to be if walls could talk, if you will. 87 00:04:05,000 --> 00:04:05,560 Speaker 4: It was real. 88 00:04:05,640 --> 00:04:09,160 Speaker 1: For sure. It was a painful time in the country's history, 89 00:04:09,800 --> 00:04:13,040 Speaker 1: especially for blacks in this part of the country. There 90 00:04:13,120 --> 00:04:16,080 Speaker 1: was segregation. There were awful things that happened in Birmingham, 91 00:04:16,120 --> 00:04:19,359 Speaker 1: and yet the Civil Rights Movement, there were some huge 92 00:04:19,480 --> 00:04:20,960 Speaker 1: moments that took place. 93 00:04:20,680 --> 00:04:23,479 Speaker 4: During that time. You're here in Birmingham. 94 00:04:22,960 --> 00:04:26,599 Speaker 1: As well, so all of that cannot be forgotten, nor 95 00:04:26,640 --> 00:04:29,400 Speaker 1: can it be forgotten why we're even here honoring the 96 00:04:29,440 --> 00:04:32,520 Speaker 1: Negro leagues because black players were not allowed to play 97 00:04:32,600 --> 00:04:35,880 Speaker 1: in the major leagues. That's the genesis of all of this, 98 00:04:35,960 --> 00:04:39,760 Speaker 1: the segregation that took place. So it is going to 99 00:04:39,760 --> 00:04:42,400 Speaker 1: be a special night to bring all of this together 100 00:04:42,640 --> 00:04:45,680 Speaker 1: and to remember not just the good, but also the 101 00:04:45,760 --> 00:04:50,200 Speaker 1: bad and take a step forward, hopefully all of us 102 00:04:50,320 --> 00:04:53,200 Speaker 1: as we remember and we honor these players who were 103 00:04:53,240 --> 00:04:55,240 Speaker 1: some of the great players in the game, who are 104 00:04:55,240 --> 00:04:59,080 Speaker 1: now honored statistically by Major League Baseball, their records are official. 105 00:04:59,600 --> 00:05:00,640 Speaker 4: It's just a really. 106 00:05:00,400 --> 00:05:04,280 Speaker 1: Cool moment in general for the past, for the history 107 00:05:04,320 --> 00:05:06,560 Speaker 1: of the game, and for the Negro leagues in particular. 108 00:05:06,960 --> 00:05:07,720 Speaker 3: No question about it. 109 00:05:07,760 --> 00:05:10,120 Speaker 2: And by the way, there's still last minute tickets available. 110 00:05:10,200 --> 00:05:12,680 Speaker 2: You have an opportunity to witness history. 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But before that, let's 128 00:06:02,040 --> 00:06:03,840 Speaker 2: get to the lead and we're gonna talk a little 129 00:06:03,839 --> 00:06:07,200 Speaker 2: bit about the Boston Red Sox and more particular ken 130 00:06:07,360 --> 00:06:10,479 Speaker 2: Jaron Duran, who is really starting to force his name 131 00:06:10,520 --> 00:06:13,719 Speaker 2: into a conversation of really one of the game's best 132 00:06:13,720 --> 00:06:14,640 Speaker 2: players right now. 133 00:06:15,480 --> 00:06:17,560 Speaker 1: I'll start with the Red Sox Alana, because what they're 134 00:06:17,560 --> 00:06:20,920 Speaker 1: accomplishing is pretty incredible when you look at all the 135 00:06:20,960 --> 00:06:24,120 Speaker 1: injuries and consider all that they've experienced so far this season. 136 00:06:24,680 --> 00:06:26,640 Speaker 1: In the last week and a half or so, they've 137 00:06:26,680 --> 00:06:29,120 Speaker 1: taken two of three from the Phillies, two of three 138 00:06:29,120 --> 00:06:32,000 Speaker 1: from the Yankees, and then they just swept the Toronto 139 00:06:32,000 --> 00:06:35,880 Speaker 1: Blue Jays. Right now, they are one game out of 140 00:06:35,920 --> 00:06:38,920 Speaker 1: a wild card. They're gonna get William Abrey you back, 141 00:06:39,000 --> 00:06:41,320 Speaker 1: probably this weekend. He is a key player for them. 142 00:06:41,560 --> 00:06:45,120 Speaker 1: They're gonna get Tristan Cassis back in July. They are 143 00:06:45,160 --> 00:06:48,000 Speaker 1: a young team that is exciting. We saw them steal 144 00:06:48,080 --> 00:06:50,520 Speaker 1: nine bases against the Yankees on Sunday Night Baseball. 145 00:06:50,880 --> 00:06:51,720 Speaker 4: They're gonna have their. 146 00:06:51,680 --> 00:06:54,159 Speaker 1: Ups and downs, as their manager Alex Korra has said, 147 00:06:54,200 --> 00:06:57,960 Speaker 1: but to be in this position it is really impressive. 148 00:06:58,080 --> 00:07:02,360 Speaker 1: And you mentioned Duran is this guy is emerging now 149 00:07:02,440 --> 00:07:04,560 Speaker 1: as one of the top all round players in the 150 00:07:04,600 --> 00:07:06,600 Speaker 1: game and it hasn't been easy for him. He's been 151 00:07:06,640 --> 00:07:09,760 Speaker 1: open about his mental health struggles, and yet right now 152 00:07:09,800 --> 00:07:13,480 Speaker 1: he is putting it all together. He is the league 153 00:07:13,520 --> 00:07:16,920 Speaker 1: leader in triples, he is second in the league in doubles. 154 00:07:17,440 --> 00:07:21,360 Speaker 1: His war is way up there among outfielders, among players 155 00:07:21,400 --> 00:07:24,360 Speaker 1: in general, and he's just this all around guy right now. 156 00:07:24,360 --> 00:07:27,720 Speaker 1: Two seventy five batting average, eight or three ops, seventeen 157 00:07:27,760 --> 00:07:30,280 Speaker 1: for twenty in stolen bases, and one of the best 158 00:07:30,280 --> 00:07:32,119 Speaker 1: defensive center fielders in the game. 159 00:07:32,560 --> 00:07:36,840 Speaker 4: So Jared Duran is becoming a star. And he's played 160 00:07:36,880 --> 00:07:37,840 Speaker 4: every day for this team. 161 00:07:38,080 --> 00:07:40,880 Speaker 1: So the Red Sox are a story that I never 162 00:07:40,960 --> 00:07:44,720 Speaker 1: anticipated really being a story. And come the deadline, Alta, 163 00:07:44,840 --> 00:07:47,400 Speaker 1: they're gonna have some interesting decisions. 164 00:07:47,120 --> 00:07:50,000 Speaker 2: Yeah, especially Ken since they didn't do anything in the offseason, 165 00:07:50,040 --> 00:07:52,640 Speaker 2: with the exception of signing Lucas Giolito, who is not 166 00:07:52,760 --> 00:07:55,320 Speaker 2: in service right now obviously because of the surgery. But 167 00:07:56,000 --> 00:07:57,960 Speaker 2: now they definitely do have a decision to make a 168 00:07:57,960 --> 00:07:59,960 Speaker 2: couple more notes for you on Jaron Duran as we're 169 00:07:59,920 --> 00:08:02,120 Speaker 2: talking about him emerging as one of the best players 170 00:08:02,120 --> 00:08:05,320 Speaker 2: so far in twenty twenty four nineteen steals, third in 171 00:08:05,360 --> 00:08:07,760 Speaker 2: the Al East, twenty one doubles, second in the AL East, 172 00:08:07,800 --> 00:08:11,760 Speaker 2: ten triples, leads the majors in triples, thirty or eighty 173 00:08:11,800 --> 00:08:14,640 Speaker 2: six hits rather that leads the AL East, thirty seven 174 00:08:14,680 --> 00:08:17,200 Speaker 2: extra base hits third in the American League East in 175 00:08:17,200 --> 00:08:19,800 Speaker 2: his own division, but all of those categories can with 176 00:08:19,840 --> 00:08:23,440 Speaker 2: the exception of one leads the Boston Red Sox. I 177 00:08:23,440 --> 00:08:25,200 Speaker 2: don't know that many of us were talking about Jared 178 00:08:25,280 --> 00:08:28,560 Speaker 2: Duran going into the twenty twenty four season as far 179 00:08:28,640 --> 00:08:31,480 Speaker 2: as The only category that doesn't is the steals he has. 180 00:08:31,600 --> 00:08:33,520 Speaker 2: You know a teammate that has one more steal than 181 00:08:33,559 --> 00:08:35,520 Speaker 2: he does. But I mean, is he an All Star 182 00:08:35,600 --> 00:08:36,160 Speaker 2: in your mind? 183 00:08:36,800 --> 00:08:36,959 Speaker 1: Oh? 184 00:08:37,240 --> 00:08:38,480 Speaker 4: Unquestionably an All Star? 185 00:08:38,600 --> 00:08:40,440 Speaker 1: And I know there has been a lot of talk 186 00:08:40,480 --> 00:08:42,600 Speaker 1: in Boston about this in the last couple of weeks. 187 00:08:42,640 --> 00:08:45,320 Speaker 1: I don't even know that there's much question. He is 188 00:08:45,559 --> 00:08:46,840 Speaker 1: their best player right now. 189 00:08:46,880 --> 00:08:47,560 Speaker 4: He is the guy. 190 00:08:47,720 --> 00:08:50,240 Speaker 1: So we're going to see him in the All Star Game. 191 00:08:50,280 --> 00:08:53,640 Speaker 1: I feel pretty confident about that and hopefully for years 192 00:08:53,679 --> 00:08:56,400 Speaker 1: to come because he is an exciting guy to watch. 193 00:08:56,679 --> 00:08:58,840 Speaker 1: I'm not gonna say he's a Willie Mays type. There 194 00:08:58,920 --> 00:09:02,440 Speaker 1: is only one Willie, but he is that kind of 195 00:09:02,520 --> 00:09:05,240 Speaker 1: all around threat that, of course, Willly was the fore 196 00:09:05,320 --> 00:09:08,000 Speaker 1: runner for all of these players, these great players that 197 00:09:08,040 --> 00:09:08,720 Speaker 1: we see today. 198 00:09:09,040 --> 00:09:10,920 Speaker 2: Yeah, and I love the fact that Jaron duran Post 199 00:09:10,960 --> 00:09:12,880 Speaker 2: tried to get in that lineup every single day. Another 200 00:09:12,920 --> 00:09:15,200 Speaker 2: player that you have your eye on recently, Ken is 201 00:09:15,280 --> 00:09:17,280 Speaker 2: kind of Willie mays Is in the way that he 202 00:09:17,360 --> 00:09:20,240 Speaker 2: goes about his game with a joyful demeanor. 203 00:09:20,280 --> 00:09:21,760 Speaker 3: And that's Royce Lewis of the Twins. 204 00:09:23,000 --> 00:09:26,559 Speaker 1: He is an amazing individual. And I watched my friend 205 00:09:26,640 --> 00:09:29,800 Speaker 1: Howard Bryant on PBS talking about Willie the other night. 206 00:09:29,920 --> 00:09:32,520 Speaker 1: And Howard, of course was Hank Aaron's biographer. He is 207 00:09:32,520 --> 00:09:35,040 Speaker 1: one of the great voices in our sport and in 208 00:09:35,080 --> 00:09:39,440 Speaker 1: our country, and he made the point that Willy was 209 00:09:39,520 --> 00:09:41,280 Speaker 1: not just a great player. Of course, he was a 210 00:09:41,320 --> 00:09:44,120 Speaker 1: great player. We knew all the numbers, but he played 211 00:09:44,160 --> 00:09:48,880 Speaker 1: with a joy, in a brilliance, a flair that too 212 00:09:48,920 --> 00:09:51,960 Speaker 1: often we don't see today. And Howard's point was, we're 213 00:09:52,000 --> 00:09:56,640 Speaker 1: focusing now on numbers and EXI velocity, launch, angle, sprint speed, 214 00:09:56,720 --> 00:09:59,720 Speaker 1: all of these things, and yet we don't really see 215 00:10:00,400 --> 00:10:04,640 Speaker 1: players playing with the joy that Willy showed. And Royce 216 00:10:04,720 --> 00:10:07,959 Speaker 1: Lewis is a guy who does that. He's also an 217 00:10:07,960 --> 00:10:11,520 Speaker 1: incredibly talented player. He's got twenty five home runs in 218 00:10:11,600 --> 00:10:15,520 Speaker 1: his first career eighty four games. Last night he broke 219 00:10:16,000 --> 00:10:18,520 Speaker 1: a ball or broke a scoreboard at Target Field with 220 00:10:18,559 --> 00:10:20,480 Speaker 1: one of his homers. He's a guy with a lot 221 00:10:20,520 --> 00:10:23,200 Speaker 1: of fire, a lot of passion, a lot of pure 222 00:10:23,240 --> 00:10:26,160 Speaker 1: love for the game of baseball. And if there is 223 00:10:26,200 --> 00:10:28,800 Speaker 1: a legacy to Willie Mays, and there are many, of course, 224 00:10:29,720 --> 00:10:32,640 Speaker 1: this should be one of them, play with joy, play 225 00:10:32,640 --> 00:10:36,320 Speaker 1: with fire, but play with joy. And let's appreciate the 226 00:10:36,440 --> 00:10:38,760 Speaker 1: joy that we see from certain players. Let's face it, 227 00:10:39,200 --> 00:10:40,959 Speaker 1: a Tonic great player, love. 228 00:10:40,840 --> 00:10:43,520 Speaker 4: Them, doesn't really so much joy in the field. 229 00:10:43,480 --> 00:10:46,800 Speaker 1: Even Mookie great player. We all love them, but it's 230 00:10:46,920 --> 00:10:50,840 Speaker 1: not that same kind of infectious spirit that Willy had. 231 00:10:50,920 --> 00:10:53,120 Speaker 1: Now not everybody can have that. We are who we 232 00:10:53,200 --> 00:10:56,000 Speaker 1: are as people. But it's just cool to see Royce 233 00:10:56,080 --> 00:10:58,439 Speaker 1: Lewis kind of embody that, Yeah, can. 234 00:10:58,280 --> 00:11:00,800 Speaker 2: They say playball? They don't say work. I mean they'll 235 00:11:00,800 --> 00:11:02,800 Speaker 2: go out there to play ball. And it's funny that 236 00:11:02,840 --> 00:11:05,720 Speaker 2: you mentioned Otani in this conversation with Royce Lewis, because 237 00:11:06,000 --> 00:11:09,600 Speaker 2: Royce Lewis flash line through his first ninety career games 238 00:11:09,679 --> 00:11:13,880 Speaker 2: is almost identical to show Hey, Otani's twenty twenty four season. 239 00:11:14,120 --> 00:11:16,640 Speaker 2: If you look at Royce, it's three thirteen, three seventy five, 240 00:11:16,760 --> 00:11:19,840 Speaker 2: six seventeen. Otani is three seventeen, three eighty eight and 241 00:11:19,880 --> 00:11:22,760 Speaker 2: six oh eight. So it's interesting to have those two comparisons. 242 00:11:22,800 --> 00:11:24,480 Speaker 2: But I agree with you, I'd like to see the 243 00:11:24,520 --> 00:11:27,680 Speaker 2: personality of some of these players a little bit more. 244 00:11:27,720 --> 00:11:30,800 Speaker 2: All right, now, we do have a question from Grill 245 00:11:30,840 --> 00:11:33,679 Speaker 2: and Ken here from the foul Territory handle on the 246 00:11:33,720 --> 00:11:37,959 Speaker 2: Orioles starting pitching options again, Kyle Bradish is out for 247 00:11:38,040 --> 00:11:41,280 Speaker 2: the season, of course with surgery. They already have John 248 00:11:41,320 --> 00:11:43,880 Speaker 2: Means on the IL as well, So I don't think 249 00:11:43,960 --> 00:11:46,480 Speaker 2: Ken and you tell me more that Corbyn Burns and 250 00:11:46,520 --> 00:11:49,520 Speaker 2: Grace and Rodriguez could be the answer as far as 251 00:11:49,600 --> 00:11:51,960 Speaker 2: just those two guys they need help, So Foul Territory, 252 00:11:51,960 --> 00:11:55,959 Speaker 2: who are legitimate starting pitcher trade options for the Orioles. 253 00:11:56,440 --> 00:11:59,720 Speaker 1: The most notable names right now are Jesus Lozardo and 254 00:11:59,720 --> 00:12:04,840 Speaker 1: Gala Crouchet from the White Sox and the Marlins, respectively. Obviously, 255 00:12:04,880 --> 00:12:07,160 Speaker 1: there are other teams that are going to want those guys, 256 00:12:07,320 --> 00:12:10,000 Speaker 1: and maybe they are in a position in the Orioles 257 00:12:10,000 --> 00:12:13,040 Speaker 1: to do something creative too. Maybe it's Eric Fetti from 258 00:12:13,040 --> 00:12:15,720 Speaker 1: the White Sox instead. Maybe it's someone where you don't 259 00:12:15,720 --> 00:12:17,360 Speaker 1: even know entirely. 260 00:12:17,520 --> 00:12:21,080 Speaker 4: At this point. But the point here is they do need. 261 00:12:21,000 --> 00:12:24,480 Speaker 1: A guy Alana, as you said, and it was so 262 00:12:25,960 --> 00:12:31,200 Speaker 1: unfortunate what happened to Bradish, because they lined up Corbyn Burns, 263 00:12:31,240 --> 00:12:34,080 Speaker 1: Grayson Rodriguez, Kyle Bradish. That's a pretty good trio to 264 00:12:34,080 --> 00:12:36,400 Speaker 1: go into the postseason with. But it's not going to 265 00:12:36,440 --> 00:12:39,240 Speaker 1: be so they're going to need additional help. They know that, 266 00:12:39,480 --> 00:12:41,600 Speaker 1: and as I've said many times before on the show 267 00:12:41,600 --> 00:12:45,559 Speaker 1: and others, they have enough prospects where they can still 268 00:12:45,600 --> 00:12:49,360 Speaker 1: do more. Not just get Corbyn Burns. They can get 269 00:12:49,400 --> 00:12:51,800 Speaker 1: other players. They can get a reliever, an outfielder if 270 00:12:51,800 --> 00:12:54,960 Speaker 1: they want as well, and do all this. Whether you 271 00:12:55,000 --> 00:12:57,839 Speaker 1: put everything into one basket this year and try to 272 00:12:57,880 --> 00:12:59,959 Speaker 1: go for in twenty twenty four, I don't see them 273 00:13:00,080 --> 00:13:02,440 Speaker 1: doing that. They're set up so well for the future, 274 00:13:02,520 --> 00:13:05,559 Speaker 1: but they certainly understand they have an opportunity before them. 275 00:13:05,760 --> 00:13:08,640 Speaker 1: They certainly want to reinforce the team. Michael Olias, their 276 00:13:08,679 --> 00:13:10,920 Speaker 1: GM is going to be searching for starting pitching and 277 00:13:10,920 --> 00:13:14,080 Speaker 1: there's no question about it. Lozardo, I would imagine, would 278 00:13:14,080 --> 00:13:16,480 Speaker 1: be the top target, but that's as of right now. 279 00:13:16,559 --> 00:13:18,480 Speaker 1: Things could happen over the next five weeks. 280 00:13:18,760 --> 00:13:21,440 Speaker 2: I could see the Miami Marlins parting with Lozardo. I 281 00:13:21,480 --> 00:13:24,040 Speaker 2: don't know, though, what's your opinion on Chicago letting go 282 00:13:24,080 --> 00:13:25,679 Speaker 2: of Eric Fetti or Garrett Croshet. 283 00:13:26,320 --> 00:13:28,040 Speaker 4: Oh, they'll do it for the right price. 284 00:13:28,240 --> 00:13:32,760 Speaker 1: And Rushe is a really complicated guy because he's already 285 00:13:32,760 --> 00:13:35,000 Speaker 1: at a career high in innings. He's a converted reliever. 286 00:13:35,200 --> 00:13:36,840 Speaker 1: So is he going to be a starter for the 287 00:13:36,840 --> 00:13:39,360 Speaker 1: rest of the season. If you're the Orioles, you need 288 00:13:39,440 --> 00:13:41,240 Speaker 1: him to be a starter for the rest of the season, 289 00:13:41,559 --> 00:13:44,880 Speaker 1: and I don't know that you can count on that happening. 290 00:13:45,360 --> 00:13:49,080 Speaker 1: Fetti has been a starter, He has that track record 291 00:13:49,080 --> 00:13:51,760 Speaker 1: of being a starter, so in some ways he might 292 00:13:51,800 --> 00:13:52,840 Speaker 1: make more sense for them. 293 00:13:53,240 --> 00:13:54,520 Speaker 4: Maybe they do him in one of the. 294 00:13:54,480 --> 00:13:57,040 Speaker 1: Relievers that the White Sox have, Coopex somebody like that, 295 00:13:57,160 --> 00:14:00,120 Speaker 1: or even though Kopec's not having a great year, and 296 00:14:00,120 --> 00:14:02,080 Speaker 1: there are other ways to skin this cat too. We 297 00:14:02,160 --> 00:14:04,360 Speaker 1: talk about buyers and sellers as if that's. 298 00:14:04,200 --> 00:14:05,880 Speaker 4: The only way to go here. 299 00:14:06,320 --> 00:14:10,199 Speaker 1: There are teams that will trade with other teams, sticking 300 00:14:10,240 --> 00:14:14,000 Speaker 1: to match holes or kind of just put things together 301 00:14:14,160 --> 00:14:16,840 Speaker 1: that could be two contenders. One has a weakness here, 302 00:14:16,920 --> 00:14:19,120 Speaker 1: the other has a weakness there. That's how they can 303 00:14:19,160 --> 00:14:22,800 Speaker 1: satisfy each other. So the buy sell thing, it's easy 304 00:14:22,840 --> 00:14:24,600 Speaker 1: to look at it that way, but it's not the 305 00:14:24,600 --> 00:14:25,200 Speaker 1: only way. 306 00:14:26,200 --> 00:14:29,479 Speaker 2: Sticking with starting pitching, we have a question on showda Inmanaga, 307 00:14:29,760 --> 00:14:33,120 Speaker 2: the Chicago Cubs ace who's been tremendous for the Cubs 308 00:14:33,120 --> 00:14:35,920 Speaker 2: this year and obviously a big bright spot for a 309 00:14:35,960 --> 00:14:38,080 Speaker 2: team that I thought Ken was going to do a 310 00:14:38,120 --> 00:14:40,720 Speaker 2: little bit more. Wesley Allen has this, I Mianaga seems 311 00:14:40,760 --> 00:14:42,680 Speaker 2: to be running away with the National League Rookie of 312 00:14:42,720 --> 00:14:44,960 Speaker 2: the Year, but being that he is not a true rookie, 313 00:14:45,000 --> 00:14:47,520 Speaker 2: will Major League Baseball change the rule like the NHL 314 00:14:47,600 --> 00:14:51,000 Speaker 2: did for foreign professional players. Of course, Imanaga has played 315 00:14:51,240 --> 00:14:53,720 Speaker 2: a lot of time in Japan, but he is a 316 00:14:53,840 --> 00:14:55,400 Speaker 2: Major League Baseball rookie. 317 00:14:55,920 --> 00:14:57,640 Speaker 3: What's your answer to Wesley's. 318 00:14:57,280 --> 00:14:59,160 Speaker 4: Question, Wesley, it's a good question. 319 00:14:59,320 --> 00:15:02,320 Speaker 1: It's come up before each Yi Row and other Japanese 320 00:15:02,360 --> 00:15:07,400 Speaker 1: players in particular, and in my view, MLB is right here, 321 00:15:07,600 --> 00:15:10,760 Speaker 1: and yes, it's true that Imanaga is not your class 322 00:15:10,800 --> 00:15:13,040 Speaker 1: like rookie of twenty year old kid coming out of 323 00:15:13,040 --> 00:15:17,400 Speaker 1: the minor leagues. But given the challenges that players from 324 00:15:17,440 --> 00:15:20,880 Speaker 1: Asia face coming to North America and excelling in the 325 00:15:20,880 --> 00:15:24,240 Speaker 1: major leagues, adapting to a new culture, a new league, 326 00:15:24,320 --> 00:15:28,000 Speaker 1: a new baseball, all kinds of new things, that kind 327 00:15:28,000 --> 00:15:30,600 Speaker 1: of increases the degree of difficulty and it makes it 328 00:15:30,720 --> 00:15:34,880 Speaker 1: harder for these guys to succeed. So yes, imanaugas. 329 00:15:34,280 --> 00:15:34,960 Speaker 4: Thirty years old. 330 00:15:35,040 --> 00:15:38,560 Speaker 1: These world's more experienced than some other rookies out there, 331 00:15:38,600 --> 00:15:41,840 Speaker 1: most other rookies out there, But given the way the 332 00:15:41,880 --> 00:15:44,760 Speaker 1: game is set up, I have no problem with this. 333 00:15:44,880 --> 00:15:47,080 Speaker 1: I know it's a little bit unusual and maybe there's 334 00:15:47,080 --> 00:15:50,120 Speaker 1: some young guys somewhere who's getting robbed because Imenaga is 335 00:15:50,840 --> 00:15:52,840 Speaker 1: most likely at this point going to be the rookie 336 00:15:52,880 --> 00:15:53,280 Speaker 1: of the Year. 337 00:15:53,320 --> 00:15:54,240 Speaker 4: But I'm good with it. 338 00:15:54,800 --> 00:15:57,040 Speaker 2: Yeah, it's funny too, because if you ask some of 339 00:15:57,120 --> 00:16:01,440 Speaker 2: our other colleagues, they're absolutely against in Monaga being considered 340 00:16:01,440 --> 00:16:03,200 Speaker 2: a rookie of the year just because of his age 341 00:16:03,360 --> 00:16:05,960 Speaker 2: and the experience that he has in Japan. But again 342 00:16:06,000 --> 00:16:07,760 Speaker 2: to your point, I mean it's a culture shot coming 343 00:16:07,800 --> 00:16:10,080 Speaker 2: over here. I mean, imagine if you and I were 344 00:16:10,160 --> 00:16:13,280 Speaker 2: sent to Japan and forced to do our jobs in 345 00:16:13,360 --> 00:16:16,000 Speaker 2: Japanese and we had absolutely no idea what the heck 346 00:16:16,040 --> 00:16:18,360 Speaker 2: we were doing. So I can imagine that would be 347 00:16:18,440 --> 00:16:20,120 Speaker 2: a little bit difficult for Inmanaga. But he's been a 348 00:16:20,160 --> 00:16:22,520 Speaker 2: lot of fun to watch. Okay, So the Yankees and 349 00:16:22,640 --> 00:16:26,040 Speaker 2: the Orioles, obviously everybody kind of had that series circled 350 00:16:26,080 --> 00:16:29,080 Speaker 2: on their calendar. Ken wanted to know your thoughts about 351 00:16:29,360 --> 00:16:31,080 Speaker 2: them throwing at one another. 352 00:16:31,200 --> 00:16:32,320 Speaker 3: What's your takeaway from that? 353 00:16:33,920 --> 00:16:37,400 Speaker 1: I didn't take much away from it, And it's the 354 00:16:37,480 --> 00:16:41,760 Speaker 1: game today where you can't throw inside without upsetting anybody. Now, obviously, 355 00:16:41,840 --> 00:16:43,880 Speaker 1: when Judge gets hit in the hand like Mooki got 356 00:16:43,960 --> 00:16:46,520 Speaker 1: hit in the hand, and the free risk is there, 357 00:16:46,960 --> 00:16:50,480 Speaker 1: it is upsetting, and understandably upsetting from the Yankees' perspective. 358 00:16:50,920 --> 00:16:53,400 Speaker 1: You want to throw in up and in, be my guest, 359 00:16:53,600 --> 00:16:55,360 Speaker 1: but do it in a way where you're. 360 00:16:55,200 --> 00:16:56,200 Speaker 4: Not hitting guys. 361 00:16:56,360 --> 00:16:59,240 Speaker 1: I think we all understand that, the Orioles understand that. 362 00:16:59,840 --> 00:17:02,920 Speaker 1: No one seems to think it was deliberate. Obviously, we 363 00:17:02,960 --> 00:17:05,439 Speaker 1: saw some retribution last night, or what appeared to be 364 00:17:05,520 --> 00:17:08,159 Speaker 1: retribution with Gunner. I get it. We all get it. 365 00:17:08,200 --> 00:17:11,200 Speaker 1: That's the way the game is played. But I don't 366 00:17:11,240 --> 00:17:15,000 Speaker 1: expect the tension to erupt. It shouldn't erupt based on this, 367 00:17:15,200 --> 00:17:18,040 Speaker 1: and one of the things about the game today it 368 00:17:18,080 --> 00:17:20,480 Speaker 1: gets to the point at times where players are a 369 00:17:20,520 --> 00:17:23,440 Speaker 1: little too sensitive. And I'm not saying Judge was too sensitive. 370 00:17:23,440 --> 00:17:25,960 Speaker 1: He was right to be upset. But if you're going 371 00:17:26,040 --> 00:17:28,320 Speaker 1: to pitch against Aaron Judge, you need to go in 372 00:17:28,359 --> 00:17:30,680 Speaker 1: once in a while, and if you go in once 373 00:17:30,680 --> 00:17:32,440 Speaker 1: in a while, there's a chance that a player is 374 00:17:32,480 --> 00:17:35,359 Speaker 1: going to get hit. So from that perspective, I don't 375 00:17:35,359 --> 00:17:37,280 Speaker 1: have a problem with it, and I don't expect this 376 00:17:37,359 --> 00:17:37,920 Speaker 1: to escalate. 377 00:17:38,400 --> 00:17:40,920 Speaker 3: Yeah, and thankfully all images were okay. 378 00:17:41,000 --> 00:17:43,200 Speaker 2: He's fine, and like Mookie Betts, who's out for probably 379 00:17:43,240 --> 00:17:44,879 Speaker 2: six eight weeks and then the Dodgers will have to 380 00:17:44,880 --> 00:17:47,240 Speaker 2: figure out how how to get him back in the mix. 381 00:17:47,280 --> 00:17:49,800 Speaker 2: As far as timing and stuff is concerned. Luke wants 382 00:17:49,840 --> 00:17:52,160 Speaker 2: to know, with Shane baz back and Springs on the way, 383 00:17:52,200 --> 00:17:55,040 Speaker 2: do the Rays hold a lot of starting pitching trade chips. 384 00:17:55,040 --> 00:17:56,160 Speaker 3: It's a good question, Luke. 385 00:17:56,520 --> 00:17:58,040 Speaker 1: It is a good question. We're going to talk more 386 00:17:58,080 --> 00:18:01,520 Speaker 1: about the Rays as we go on today. They do 387 00:18:01,560 --> 00:18:04,520 Speaker 1: have Zach Eflin, who is making more money now as 388 00:18:04,560 --> 00:18:08,560 Speaker 1: his contract keeps going, and you can see the Rays 389 00:18:08,680 --> 00:18:11,239 Speaker 1: maybe doing something with him. Savali has not pitched well, 390 00:18:11,280 --> 00:18:14,560 Speaker 1: I don't see it being him, And yes, with Baz 391 00:18:14,680 --> 00:18:18,520 Speaker 1: and Springs, if they're coming back healthy and contributing. Sure, 392 00:18:19,119 --> 00:18:21,679 Speaker 1: I can see the Rays right now being sellers period. 393 00:18:22,080 --> 00:18:24,040 Speaker 1: I don't even know if it matters if Shane Baz 394 00:18:24,080 --> 00:18:26,919 Speaker 1: and Jeffrey Springs come back. For that part of the conversation, 395 00:18:27,520 --> 00:18:29,639 Speaker 1: there are four games under five hundred. They're not a 396 00:18:29,720 --> 00:18:32,000 Speaker 1: very good team. They're not played well all season. 397 00:18:32,400 --> 00:18:36,200 Speaker 4: So from that point of view alone, maybe. 398 00:18:36,000 --> 00:18:38,720 Speaker 1: Zach Eflin becomes their big chip and maybe he's a 399 00:18:38,720 --> 00:18:40,440 Speaker 1: guy for Baltimore for example. 400 00:18:41,160 --> 00:18:43,280 Speaker 2: Yeah, we will talk about them and a little bit 401 00:18:43,320 --> 00:18:46,600 Speaker 2: coming up in Dude and York. I don't know Ken 402 00:18:46,960 --> 00:18:50,560 Speaker 2: that I would have thought that, as we talked earlier 403 00:18:50,600 --> 00:18:52,200 Speaker 2: in the show, that the Red Sox would have been 404 00:18:52,240 --> 00:18:54,680 Speaker 2: one game out. I really didn't think in the Al East. 405 00:18:54,760 --> 00:18:56,080 Speaker 2: I knew the Yankees were going to be good. I 406 00:18:56,160 --> 00:18:58,840 Speaker 2: knew the Red Sox were gonna be interesting or not interesting, 407 00:18:58,880 --> 00:19:00,760 Speaker 2: but I thought they were gonna be better than they were. 408 00:19:01,680 --> 00:19:04,240 Speaker 2: The Rays have really surprised me. What's been the biggest 409 00:19:04,240 --> 00:19:06,000 Speaker 2: surprise for you about them? 410 00:19:06,720 --> 00:19:10,480 Speaker 1: Rosina and Diaz not hitting and Randy and Rosina and 411 00:19:10,560 --> 00:19:13,080 Speaker 1: Yandy Diaz have been two of their best hitters for 412 00:19:13,280 --> 00:19:16,040 Speaker 1: really the last few years, and it just has not 413 00:19:16,160 --> 00:19:18,679 Speaker 1: happened for them this year. Brandon Laud to some extent, 414 00:19:18,760 --> 00:19:22,240 Speaker 1: is in that conversation as well. Harold Ramirez got released. 415 00:19:22,320 --> 00:19:27,080 Speaker 1: He wasn't hitting. They just have not offensively really picked 416 00:19:27,119 --> 00:19:30,040 Speaker 1: up any momentum, and it's because their best players have 417 00:19:30,080 --> 00:19:32,159 Speaker 1: not played to the level of expectation. 418 00:19:32,840 --> 00:19:35,520 Speaker 2: Yeah, it's unfortunate to see because you're so used to 419 00:19:35,520 --> 00:19:37,960 Speaker 2: the Rays being there perennially, I mean doing most, you know, 420 00:19:38,040 --> 00:19:40,880 Speaker 2: doing a lot with very little time. Now to move 421 00:19:40,920 --> 00:19:43,840 Speaker 2: on to dude and dork, and this is an opportunity 422 00:19:43,920 --> 00:19:46,560 Speaker 2: for Ken and I to give a deserving dude and 423 00:19:46,680 --> 00:19:48,800 Speaker 2: dork of the week. It's great when we have a 424 00:19:48,800 --> 00:19:51,479 Speaker 2: lot of dude options. We struggled this time with some 425 00:19:51,520 --> 00:19:54,480 Speaker 2: dork options. But let's start first, Ken with your dude 426 00:19:54,480 --> 00:19:54,920 Speaker 2: of the week. 427 00:19:55,840 --> 00:19:59,000 Speaker 1: It has to be Willie and he was such a 428 00:19:59,040 --> 00:20:04,480 Speaker 1: force in baseball in really changing America too. Because Jackie, 429 00:20:04,480 --> 00:20:07,480 Speaker 1: of course beat down the door to become the first 430 00:20:07,520 --> 00:20:09,879 Speaker 1: black player in the major leagues, first person of color, 431 00:20:10,280 --> 00:20:14,960 Speaker 1: and Willy, it seems, became almost someone that the country 432 00:20:15,000 --> 00:20:18,360 Speaker 1: could embrace in even a greater way than Jackie. Jackie 433 00:20:18,960 --> 00:20:21,840 Speaker 1: as again, my friend Howard Bryant said, was this smoldering figure. 434 00:20:21,920 --> 00:20:26,680 Speaker 1: Willie was this joyful figure and white black, whatever you were, 435 00:20:27,040 --> 00:20:29,520 Speaker 1: you could not help. But like Willie Mays or love 436 00:20:29,560 --> 00:20:31,879 Speaker 1: Willie Mays. He is the dude of the week for 437 00:20:32,000 --> 00:20:34,879 Speaker 1: me and really for so many people out there, so 438 00:20:34,880 --> 00:20:35,879 Speaker 1: many baseball fans. 439 00:20:36,240 --> 00:20:38,400 Speaker 2: You know what I loved about Willie too is Anthony 440 00:20:38,440 --> 00:20:42,879 Speaker 2: Castrovince tweeted this yesterday, ken that Willy's name was actually. 441 00:20:42,480 --> 00:20:46,040 Speaker 3: Willie legally, and Willie is a kid's name, right. His 442 00:20:46,160 --> 00:20:47,679 Speaker 3: name is not William Legally. 443 00:20:47,760 --> 00:20:51,240 Speaker 2: His father's name is William or was William brother He 444 00:20:51,320 --> 00:20:54,159 Speaker 2: was named after William Taft, But Willie was Willie, and 445 00:20:54,200 --> 00:20:55,919 Speaker 2: that's just such a kid's name, and he played with 446 00:20:55,960 --> 00:20:59,040 Speaker 2: such joy as a little kid. You know, It's just 447 00:20:59,240 --> 00:21:01,080 Speaker 2: it was great to see. So my dude of the 448 00:21:01,080 --> 00:21:03,440 Speaker 2: week is also a San Francisco Giant. But I wanted 449 00:21:03,480 --> 00:21:07,720 Speaker 2: to tip my cap to Logan Web who was coming 450 00:21:07,760 --> 00:21:10,040 Speaker 2: back out in the game. He was pitching that night, 451 00:21:10,200 --> 00:21:12,360 Speaker 2: going back out for the sixth inning, and that's when 452 00:21:12,359 --> 00:21:15,879 Speaker 2: they announced that Willie Mays had passed, and he asked 453 00:21:15,880 --> 00:21:19,160 Speaker 2: the umpire Ken to. 454 00:21:18,240 --> 00:21:19,000 Speaker 3: Stop the clock. 455 00:21:19,080 --> 00:21:21,000 Speaker 2: He said, I would like to stop the clock because 456 00:21:21,000 --> 00:21:24,439 Speaker 2: I want to take a moment to acknowledge what's happening. 457 00:21:24,440 --> 00:21:26,040 Speaker 2: And he said it was hard at first. I took 458 00:21:26,080 --> 00:21:27,960 Speaker 2: my hat off. I was looking at the scoreboard. I 459 00:21:28,040 --> 00:21:30,240 Speaker 2: just I was just thinking about him, meaning Willy. I 460 00:21:30,320 --> 00:21:31,800 Speaker 2: kind of looked at the umpire I was like, I 461 00:21:31,800 --> 00:21:32,359 Speaker 2: think you need to. 462 00:21:32,359 --> 00:21:33,000 Speaker 3: Stop the clock. 463 00:21:33,040 --> 00:21:35,359 Speaker 2: I needed to take a moment to think about it 464 00:21:35,400 --> 00:21:38,000 Speaker 2: and be prideful for the jersey I was wearing, the 465 00:21:38,080 --> 00:21:41,040 Speaker 2: hat I was wearing, knowing Willy did the same. So 466 00:21:41,119 --> 00:21:44,080 Speaker 2: this is so interesting that obviously Willy had such an 467 00:21:44,080 --> 00:21:48,640 Speaker 2: impact not only in the Negro leagues but with everything 468 00:21:48,640 --> 00:21:51,240 Speaker 2: that he did for our game's greats before, but he 469 00:21:51,320 --> 00:21:54,520 Speaker 2: also has such an impact on today's game and today's players. 470 00:21:54,560 --> 00:21:56,560 Speaker 2: And it's not just because Ken Logan is a San 471 00:21:56,560 --> 00:21:59,639 Speaker 2: Francisco Giant. All around the league, you saw the outpouring 472 00:21:59,640 --> 00:22:03,680 Speaker 2: of and words that people had to say about Willie Mays. 473 00:22:04,160 --> 00:22:06,480 Speaker 1: Well, he was around the Giants a bit, so Logan 474 00:22:06,520 --> 00:22:09,200 Speaker 1: Web did have some interaction with him, and the players 475 00:22:09,240 --> 00:22:11,080 Speaker 1: who are on the Giants have been for the last 476 00:22:11,080 --> 00:22:13,680 Speaker 1: few years, who would see Willy in the clubhouts once 477 00:22:13,680 --> 00:22:15,439 Speaker 1: in a while. It was less lately than it was 478 00:22:15,480 --> 00:22:16,439 Speaker 1: in previous years. 479 00:22:16,680 --> 00:22:18,359 Speaker 4: They had great affection for him. 480 00:22:18,520 --> 00:22:22,120 Speaker 1: And I also give credit to the umpires who sometimes 481 00:22:22,119 --> 00:22:25,359 Speaker 1: can be rigid with granting time out and they figured 482 00:22:25,480 --> 00:22:28,760 Speaker 1: out here it's obvious, I know, but you don't see 483 00:22:28,920 --> 00:22:30,280 Speaker 1: obviously it was taking place. 484 00:22:31,200 --> 00:22:33,200 Speaker 4: Credit to the umpires as well for stopping the game. 485 00:22:33,440 --> 00:22:35,920 Speaker 2: Yeah, read the room, understand the moment, and I'm glad 486 00:22:35,920 --> 00:22:37,600 Speaker 2: that they were able to do that. Our friend Peter 487 00:22:37,680 --> 00:22:40,080 Speaker 2: Gammon said, I remember watching a game with Henry Aeron 488 00:22:40,119 --> 00:22:42,320 Speaker 2: when he said, if Willy played today, he'd lead Sports 489 00:22:42,320 --> 00:22:43,520 Speaker 2: Center five days a week. 490 00:22:43,640 --> 00:22:43,720 Speaker 1: Me. 491 00:22:44,240 --> 00:22:46,560 Speaker 2: I did the same thing every day. I was boring 492 00:22:46,720 --> 00:22:49,960 Speaker 2: the two greatest and different time signatures. So let me 493 00:22:50,000 --> 00:22:52,359 Speaker 2: ask you, this is Willy the greatest player can in 494 00:22:52,400 --> 00:22:53,719 Speaker 2: Major League Baseball history? 495 00:22:55,400 --> 00:22:57,560 Speaker 1: I would have to say yes. And I want to 496 00:22:57,600 --> 00:23:00,360 Speaker 1: point out one thing that is not often talked about 497 00:23:00,359 --> 00:23:03,119 Speaker 1: with Willy Mays. He might have been the guy to 498 00:23:03,320 --> 00:23:05,920 Speaker 1: break Babe Ruts record if not for his years in 499 00:23:05,960 --> 00:23:08,800 Speaker 1: the military. He missed most of eighteen fifty two all 500 00:23:08,800 --> 00:23:11,720 Speaker 1: of nineteen fifty three. Who knows how many home runs 501 00:23:11,720 --> 00:23:13,720 Speaker 1: you might have hit those two years. Those were two 502 00:23:13,720 --> 00:23:15,719 Speaker 1: of his early years. Of course, fifty one was his 503 00:23:15,720 --> 00:23:19,280 Speaker 1: first season, so given that he was a center fielder, 504 00:23:19,280 --> 00:23:21,720 Speaker 1: Hank was a right fielder. Given the flare that he 505 00:23:21,760 --> 00:23:24,160 Speaker 1: played with the cap fly on off, the arms fly 506 00:23:24,320 --> 00:23:28,440 Speaker 1: and all that, his skill in centerfield, his five tool ability. 507 00:23:29,720 --> 00:23:31,879 Speaker 1: I haven't seen every player in Major League history, but 508 00:23:31,880 --> 00:23:34,120 Speaker 1: I'd have to say it's hard to beat the package 509 00:23:34,119 --> 00:23:35,000 Speaker 1: that he presented. 510 00:23:35,320 --> 00:23:37,320 Speaker 2: And I learned something new every day, and I was, 511 00:23:37,320 --> 00:23:39,960 Speaker 2: you know, of course, learning more and more about Willie Mays. 512 00:23:39,960 --> 00:23:41,920 Speaker 2: And I understand that he wore a hat that was 513 00:23:41,960 --> 00:23:44,200 Speaker 2: too small on purpose because he wanted it to fly 514 00:23:44,280 --> 00:23:45,639 Speaker 2: off of his head because he said, if you know, 515 00:23:45,640 --> 00:23:47,800 Speaker 2: we're in the entertainment business, people like to see that. 516 00:23:47,960 --> 00:23:50,760 Speaker 2: So Willie Mays, what a character. May he rest his soul? 517 00:23:51,000 --> 00:23:53,239 Speaker 2: Who was so amazing for this game? All right, you're 518 00:23:53,440 --> 00:23:54,720 Speaker 2: dork of the week, Ken? 519 00:23:54,720 --> 00:23:55,280 Speaker 3: Who is it? 520 00:23:56,040 --> 00:24:00,240 Speaker 1: Two entire rosters of American League East teams? To give 521 00:24:00,240 --> 00:24:02,800 Speaker 1: it to the Rays and the Blue Jays, both of 522 00:24:02,840 --> 00:24:06,280 Speaker 1: whom are thirty five and thirty nine, both of whom 523 00:24:06,359 --> 00:24:09,720 Speaker 1: are fifteen games out of first place. They're closer in 524 00:24:09,760 --> 00:24:11,640 Speaker 1: the wildcard race. They're five and a half back. 525 00:24:11,720 --> 00:24:14,280 Speaker 4: Not so bad, it's surmountable. 526 00:24:14,520 --> 00:24:17,480 Speaker 1: But at the same time, these teams have been huge disappointments, 527 00:24:17,520 --> 00:24:20,280 Speaker 1: the Blue Jays frankly more than the Rays, but both 528 00:24:20,320 --> 00:24:23,480 Speaker 1: of them, and they can cite reasons up and down, 529 00:24:23,560 --> 00:24:25,600 Speaker 1: say we think we're going to play better, et cetera, 530 00:24:25,640 --> 00:24:28,280 Speaker 1: et cetera. The Days have made a number of moves 531 00:24:28,320 --> 00:24:30,400 Speaker 1: of late to bring some younger players into the mix, 532 00:24:30,480 --> 00:24:33,680 Speaker 1: trying to get an offensive spark. So far, not seem 533 00:24:33,760 --> 00:24:36,480 Speaker 1: to be working. So there are my dorks of the week. 534 00:24:36,880 --> 00:24:38,880 Speaker 1: You don't like it. You can the standings right there 535 00:24:38,920 --> 00:24:40,119 Speaker 1: to see what I'm talking about. 536 00:24:40,560 --> 00:24:42,200 Speaker 4: You gotta play better, play better. 537 00:24:42,320 --> 00:24:43,159 Speaker 1: It's nights. 538 00:24:43,160 --> 00:24:46,240 Speaker 2: Goodness, that's unbelievable. Thirty five and thirty nine. When you 539 00:24:46,280 --> 00:24:48,880 Speaker 2: see the Tampa Bay Rays and the Toronto Blue Jays 540 00:24:48,960 --> 00:24:52,200 Speaker 2: fifteen games out on June twentieth, my word. 541 00:24:52,000 --> 00:24:52,520 Speaker 3: That's a problem. 542 00:24:52,600 --> 00:24:55,159 Speaker 2: All right, my dork of the week, I'm going to 543 00:24:55,200 --> 00:24:58,320 Speaker 2: combine two sports here. Congratulations first and foremost to the 544 00:24:58,359 --> 00:25:01,359 Speaker 2: Boston Celtics for winning the World Championship here recently in 545 00:25:01,400 --> 00:25:05,439 Speaker 2: the NBA. I'm a Denver Nuggets fan, so whatever, but 546 00:25:05,880 --> 00:25:07,800 Speaker 2: I have to give my Dork of the Week to 547 00:25:07,880 --> 00:25:10,439 Speaker 2: Jason Tatum. The reason is go ahead and take a 548 00:25:10,520 --> 00:25:12,920 Speaker 2: listen to this, and then I'll tell you why he's 549 00:25:12,960 --> 00:25:16,080 Speaker 2: my dork of the week. I know everybody ever wondered 550 00:25:16,320 --> 00:25:18,159 Speaker 2: what would happened if you didn't wear. 551 00:25:21,640 --> 00:25:32,240 Speaker 3: I guess we. 552 00:25:27,280 --> 00:25:31,320 Speaker 2: First of all, Jason Tatum. That is so unoriginal. Jason 553 00:25:31,359 --> 00:25:33,840 Speaker 2: Tatum took that directly. 554 00:25:33,480 --> 00:25:35,560 Speaker 3: And maybe he doesn't even know. I don't know, but he. 555 00:25:35,520 --> 00:25:38,399 Speaker 2: Took that directly from Corey Seger who at the World 556 00:25:38,440 --> 00:25:41,600 Speaker 2: Series ken As. You know, when the Texas Rangers won 557 00:25:41,640 --> 00:25:43,960 Speaker 2: the World Series, Corey Seeger was on stage as the 558 00:25:43,960 --> 00:25:47,920 Speaker 2: World Series MVP and said, people wondered what would happen 559 00:25:47,960 --> 00:25:50,719 Speaker 2: if the Texas Rangers didn't win the World Series. I 560 00:25:50,760 --> 00:25:54,399 Speaker 2: guess they'll never know. And Corey was basically slapping back 561 00:25:54,760 --> 00:25:59,480 Speaker 2: at Alec Breckman of the Alex Breckman of the Houston Astros, 562 00:25:59,480 --> 00:26:01,600 Speaker 2: who said the same thing when the Astros ended up 563 00:26:01,600 --> 00:26:03,399 Speaker 2: winning the division. Remember they were neck and neck at 564 00:26:03,440 --> 00:26:05,840 Speaker 2: the end of the year in the Aos, and he said, 565 00:26:06,200 --> 00:26:08,520 Speaker 2: people wondered what would happen if the Astros didn't win 566 00:26:08,560 --> 00:26:11,359 Speaker 2: the division. I guess they'll never know. Corey gets the 567 00:26:11,440 --> 00:26:15,480 Speaker 2: last laugh as a World Series champion. But Jason Tatum, come. 568 00:26:15,320 --> 00:26:18,119 Speaker 3: On, man, you can't you can't do that. You can't 569 00:26:18,119 --> 00:26:18,359 Speaker 3: do that. 570 00:26:18,520 --> 00:26:20,480 Speaker 2: Come up with something a little bit more original, or 571 00:26:20,480 --> 00:26:23,119 Speaker 2: at least have a little bit more more flair with it. 572 00:26:23,160 --> 00:26:24,679 Speaker 4: I don't know a lot of. 573 00:26:24,800 --> 00:26:28,719 Speaker 1: I am guessing, guessing Jason Tatum had no idea what 574 00:26:28,760 --> 00:26:29,680 Speaker 1: Corey seekers said. 575 00:26:30,359 --> 00:26:31,720 Speaker 3: But I don't know. 576 00:26:31,800 --> 00:26:33,240 Speaker 2: But how do you come up with the exact same 577 00:26:33,320 --> 00:26:36,320 Speaker 2: words like he must have like maybe through osmosis, like 578 00:26:36,400 --> 00:26:39,240 Speaker 2: he happened to hear it somewhere and he was just like, yeah, 579 00:26:39,280 --> 00:26:39,880 Speaker 2: this sounds good. 580 00:26:39,880 --> 00:26:41,119 Speaker 3: I don't know. I thought he could have come up 581 00:26:41,160 --> 00:26:41,800 Speaker 3: with something better. 582 00:26:41,800 --> 00:26:46,080 Speaker 2: But congratulations to Jason Tatum, obviously, the Boston Celtics Derek White, 583 00:26:46,080 --> 00:26:48,960 Speaker 2: who was a University of Colorado product as well his 584 00:26:49,359 --> 00:26:51,480 Speaker 2: final year in school. I went to the University of Colorado. 585 00:26:51,560 --> 00:26:55,920 Speaker 2: So proud of Derek White for sure. So all right, Ken, 586 00:26:56,560 --> 00:26:58,560 Speaker 2: what are you looking most forward to tonight? 587 00:26:58,800 --> 00:27:02,040 Speaker 3: From your broadcast? Rick wood Field, We've got. 588 00:27:01,920 --> 00:27:05,080 Speaker 1: A lot of cool stuff planned now. It's live television. 589 00:27:05,240 --> 00:27:07,119 Speaker 1: I have no idea if all of this stuff is 590 00:27:07,160 --> 00:27:08,920 Speaker 1: going to actually transpire, but. 591 00:27:10,359 --> 00:27:12,720 Speaker 4: All I will say is that it will. 592 00:27:12,560 --> 00:27:15,200 Speaker 1: Be worth the watch, I believe. And we do have 593 00:27:15,240 --> 00:27:17,199 Speaker 1: some things that we're going to do that will be 594 00:27:17,280 --> 00:27:19,399 Speaker 1: really neat. We have some people going to talk to 595 00:27:19,480 --> 00:27:22,760 Speaker 1: that will be really interesting, and focus will be on 596 00:27:22,920 --> 00:27:25,600 Speaker 1: the Negro League's tribute on Willie on rickwood Field much 597 00:27:25,600 --> 00:27:29,600 Speaker 1: more so than the Cardinals and Giants. So we are all, 598 00:27:29,680 --> 00:27:32,240 Speaker 1: and I say this with all sincerity, we are all 599 00:27:32,359 --> 00:27:34,120 Speaker 1: quite excited to do this game. 600 00:27:34,160 --> 00:27:37,080 Speaker 4: It's an honor to do this game. And frankly, Alan, 601 00:27:37,160 --> 00:27:37,840 Speaker 4: I cannot wait. 602 00:27:38,840 --> 00:27:40,680 Speaker 2: I couldn't agree with you more. It is quite the honor. 603 00:27:40,840 --> 00:27:43,199 Speaker 2: A couple of comments here. The best player in the 604 00:27:43,280 --> 00:27:46,480 Speaker 2: history of baseball is Sandy Kofa's interesting. That's an interesting take. 605 00:27:46,560 --> 00:27:49,320 Speaker 2: Sometimes I wonder, though, if pitchers can be the best 606 00:27:49,320 --> 00:27:54,400 Speaker 2: player in baseball history. And Sandy obviously his career was cut. 607 00:27:54,440 --> 00:27:57,880 Speaker 2: I mean he elected to cut it short. There me 608 00:27:57,880 --> 00:28:00,720 Speaker 2: me not Pete Rose. Oh, I don't think he's the 609 00:28:00,720 --> 00:28:02,120 Speaker 2: best player in history. What's your take? 610 00:28:02,160 --> 00:28:05,240 Speaker 1: Ken? He's a great, great player, and I thank him 611 00:28:05,240 --> 00:28:07,800 Speaker 1: for checking in here, But no, it's not Pete Rose. 612 00:28:08,320 --> 00:28:11,760 Speaker 2: Yeah, I don't think it's Pete Rose either. I think 613 00:28:11,760 --> 00:28:13,919 Speaker 2: it's pretty safe to say William Mays is probably the greatest. 614 00:28:13,920 --> 00:28:16,520 Speaker 2: He certainly was the greatest living player. Now it'll be 615 00:28:17,119 --> 00:28:20,119 Speaker 2: determined to who's left as far as the current players 616 00:28:20,119 --> 00:28:22,040 Speaker 2: are concerned. 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The Dodgers 636 00:29:16,960 --> 00:29:20,040 Speaker 2: are playing at three pm Eastern, so Dodgers' Territory will 637 00:29:20,080 --> 00:29:23,520 Speaker 2: follow that game for Ken Rosenthal on Alana Rizzo. Thanks 638 00:29:23,560 --> 00:29:25,000 Speaker 2: so much for watching. We'll see you soon.