1 00:00:00,640 --> 00:00:04,160 Speaker 1: Hi, I'm Molly John Fast and this is Fast Politics, 2 00:00:04,360 --> 00:00:07,120 Speaker 1: where we discussed the top political headlines with some of 3 00:00:07,160 --> 00:00:11,119 Speaker 1: today's best minds, and Bernie Sanders says, these are the 4 00:00:11,200 --> 00:00:12,920 Speaker 1: scariest times of my life. 5 00:00:13,039 --> 00:00:15,120 Speaker 2: We have such a great show for you today. 6 00:00:15,600 --> 00:00:20,239 Speaker 1: The New Abnormal co host Andy Levy stops by to 7 00:00:20,520 --> 00:00:22,239 Speaker 1: talk about how great. 8 00:00:21,920 --> 00:00:24,080 Speaker 2: Things are going with American democracy. 9 00:00:24,280 --> 00:00:28,920 Speaker 1: Then we'll talk to Congressman Sujas Subramanyum, who is a 10 00:00:29,000 --> 00:00:31,840 Speaker 1: congressman with the most federal workers' cup I don't but 11 00:00:31,960 --> 00:00:33,600 Speaker 1: first the news, Molly. 12 00:00:33,880 --> 00:00:37,839 Speaker 3: So, one of my things during the Biden administration is 13 00:00:38,080 --> 00:00:40,040 Speaker 3: everybody go, they're going to shut down the government. And 14 00:00:40,080 --> 00:00:43,960 Speaker 3: I'd say, Kevin McCarthy and Mike Johnson are owned by 15 00:00:44,000 --> 00:00:44,479 Speaker 3: the banks. 16 00:00:44,520 --> 00:00:46,560 Speaker 4: There's no way they're going to do that. This time. 17 00:00:46,880 --> 00:00:48,400 Speaker 4: We have a whole new set of rules. 18 00:00:48,440 --> 00:00:51,920 Speaker 3: And Chuck Schumer, he says that setate Democrats will reject 19 00:00:51,960 --> 00:00:54,920 Speaker 3: Geopeace funding bill as the shutdown draws near. 20 00:00:55,520 --> 00:00:59,280 Speaker 1: Yeah, you know, good for Chuck Schumer. A lot of 21 00:00:59,400 --> 00:01:02,640 Speaker 1: us did not think that he would do this. This 22 00:01:02,800 --> 00:01:06,960 Speaker 1: is like really an impossible situation. Democrats are in because 23 00:01:08,000 --> 00:01:11,080 Speaker 1: they don't want to shut down the whole Republican ethos 24 00:01:11,160 --> 00:01:14,360 Speaker 1: is to shut down the federal government and then kill it, right, 25 00:01:14,400 --> 00:01:16,479 Speaker 1: I mean, that's what they want to do here. They 26 00:01:16,480 --> 00:01:18,720 Speaker 1: want to cut it and cut and cut it. This 27 00:01:18,760 --> 00:01:21,559 Speaker 1: is the only thing Democrats can do at this moment. 28 00:01:21,600 --> 00:01:23,720 Speaker 1: They do not control the House, they do not control 29 00:01:23,760 --> 00:01:27,720 Speaker 1: the Senate, they do not control the presidency. All they 30 00:01:27,800 --> 00:01:32,440 Speaker 1: can do is put sand in the gears for Republicans. 31 00:01:32,640 --> 00:01:33,920 Speaker 2: And look this bill. 32 00:01:34,200 --> 00:01:36,640 Speaker 1: I want to talk about this CR because this CR 33 00:01:37,240 --> 00:01:42,720 Speaker 1: has in it something that makes it so that Congress 34 00:01:42,720 --> 00:01:43,680 Speaker 1: will no longer. 35 00:01:43,440 --> 00:01:45,000 Speaker 2: Have power over tariffs. 36 00:01:45,360 --> 00:01:50,000 Speaker 1: You know, tariffs, the thing that's fucking our economy right now. Well, 37 00:01:50,280 --> 00:01:54,280 Speaker 1: Congress is giving over its tariff power to Donald J. Trump, 38 00:01:54,680 --> 00:01:57,880 Speaker 1: which is insane. Donald Trump has already stolen so much 39 00:01:57,960 --> 00:02:02,600 Speaker 1: power from this Congress. The fact that the Republicans are, 40 00:02:03,120 --> 00:02:07,480 Speaker 1: like you know, Patty Hurst with Stockholm syndrome, ready to 41 00:02:07,520 --> 00:02:10,040 Speaker 1: give them anything else they have left. 42 00:02:10,440 --> 00:02:12,280 Speaker 2: Is just completely crazy. 43 00:02:12,720 --> 00:02:16,120 Speaker 1: And it's and again, I understand that these Republicans are 44 00:02:16,160 --> 00:02:18,600 Speaker 1: scared of Donald Trump. I understand that they have just 45 00:02:19,040 --> 00:02:22,000 Speaker 1: given up on trying to do anything but rubber stamp 46 00:02:22,040 --> 00:02:26,240 Speaker 1: his agenda. But still, this even in itself, is like 47 00:02:26,360 --> 00:02:30,560 Speaker 1: kidnapping yourself and waiting for yourself to bring ransom to yourself. 48 00:02:32,880 --> 00:02:35,799 Speaker 3: It is quite silly, and I really hope that the 49 00:02:35,880 --> 00:02:39,919 Speaker 3: Democrats give them no help here whatsoever. Despite as much 50 00:02:39,960 --> 00:02:41,960 Speaker 3: as I don't want there to be a shutdown, this 51 00:02:42,080 --> 00:02:42,760 Speaker 3: is pathetic. 52 00:02:43,200 --> 00:02:45,520 Speaker 1: You and I both agree and also think that this 53 00:02:45,680 --> 00:02:48,520 Speaker 1: is impossible, right because the thing is shutting down the 54 00:02:48,520 --> 00:02:52,120 Speaker 1: government is what the Republicans want. So if Democrats shut 55 00:02:52,160 --> 00:02:55,280 Speaker 1: down the government, they will be blamed for shutting down 56 00:02:55,280 --> 00:02:59,320 Speaker 1: the government and be deliver what Republicans want, which is 57 00:02:59,720 --> 00:03:03,720 Speaker 1: to hobble these government agencies. Even more, if I were 58 00:03:03,760 --> 00:03:07,840 Speaker 1: Chuck Schumer, which I'm very much not, Thune is not insane, right, 59 00:03:07,960 --> 00:03:10,400 Speaker 1: fun is like a normal guy, and I would try 60 00:03:10,400 --> 00:03:13,800 Speaker 1: to get Thune to take the tearff stuff out and 61 00:03:13,840 --> 00:03:16,000 Speaker 1: then pass the cr. I would be like, no one 62 00:03:16,000 --> 00:03:18,359 Speaker 1: wants a government shut down here, take out the tear 63 00:03:18,360 --> 00:03:21,160 Speaker 1: off stuff. See if there's anything you can do with 64 00:03:21,480 --> 00:03:24,600 Speaker 1: the money that's an impoundment, right, See if there's anything 65 00:03:24,639 --> 00:03:27,760 Speaker 1: you can do to stop Trump from impounding money that 66 00:03:27,919 --> 00:03:32,119 Speaker 1: Congress has allocated. I would make the pitch to Thune 67 00:03:32,639 --> 00:03:35,960 Speaker 1: that we have this opportunity to put a little bit 68 00:03:36,000 --> 00:03:38,440 Speaker 1: of a break on this guy who is just running 69 00:03:38,520 --> 00:03:42,560 Speaker 1: Rockshaw over the federal government, and then see if that works, 70 00:03:42,600 --> 00:03:44,360 Speaker 1: and see if you can get Thune on board with that. 71 00:03:44,960 --> 00:03:46,000 Speaker 2: I do think there. 72 00:03:45,920 --> 00:03:49,120 Speaker 1: Are publican senators who are pretty fed up with how 73 00:03:49,160 --> 00:03:49,840 Speaker 1: this is going. 74 00:03:50,240 --> 00:03:53,080 Speaker 2: So I do think there's an opening there. Now. 75 00:03:53,160 --> 00:03:55,840 Speaker 1: I'm not convinced that Schumor will take it, but that 76 00:03:55,880 --> 00:03:57,640 Speaker 1: would be in my mind what I would do. 77 00:03:58,080 --> 00:04:00,760 Speaker 3: Yes, So I have to give the listeners some education here. 78 00:04:01,120 --> 00:04:05,360 Speaker 3: We as influential people who are on podcasts, sometimes do 79 00:04:05,520 --> 00:04:07,600 Speaker 3: this thing called it we call spon con, which is 80 00:04:07,680 --> 00:04:11,560 Speaker 3: sponsored content, which means that somebody has paid us to 81 00:04:11,680 --> 00:04:16,000 Speaker 3: make content for their product where we sell it. But 82 00:04:16,080 --> 00:04:18,880 Speaker 3: we might just say this is sponsored by very Fast 83 00:04:18,960 --> 00:04:21,080 Speaker 3: and then you just see an ad from us, whereas 84 00:04:21,120 --> 00:04:25,360 Speaker 3: yesterday Donald Trump did sponsored content for Elot Musk, Shitty 85 00:04:25,360 --> 00:04:26,159 Speaker 3: Tesla Cars. 86 00:04:26,360 --> 00:04:26,839 Speaker 2: Good point. 87 00:04:27,120 --> 00:04:29,880 Speaker 1: He got one hundred million dollars for that spat con. 88 00:04:30,040 --> 00:04:32,120 Speaker 1: You know how much money we've gotten for our spont 89 00:04:32,200 --> 00:04:34,360 Speaker 1: Con is not one hundred million dollars. 90 00:04:34,440 --> 00:04:36,119 Speaker 4: What is our aged doing? 91 00:04:36,360 --> 00:04:39,520 Speaker 2: Joey, oh, Joey. No, it's a good point. 92 00:04:39,600 --> 00:04:43,520 Speaker 1: Look, we would like to get more money for spont Con. 93 00:04:45,640 --> 00:04:46,080 Speaker 3: This is real. 94 00:04:46,880 --> 00:04:49,920 Speaker 2: This is really yeah, yeah, yeah, no, no listen. 95 00:04:50,120 --> 00:04:53,960 Speaker 1: So Donald Trump sold Teslas yesterday, by the way, not 96 00:04:54,160 --> 00:04:57,040 Speaker 1: the first time my man was compared to a used 97 00:04:57,040 --> 00:04:58,800 Speaker 1: car salesman, but certainly not. 98 00:04:58,880 --> 00:05:03,160 Speaker 3: The last, right, but the most accurate, but the. 99 00:05:03,120 --> 00:05:06,440 Speaker 2: Most sort of on the nose. He was out there reading. 100 00:05:06,560 --> 00:05:10,520 Speaker 1: We saw the car, you saw the Reuter's picture of 101 00:05:10,560 --> 00:05:13,560 Speaker 1: the car that had you know, this one's thirty five thousand, 102 00:05:13,680 --> 00:05:14,880 Speaker 1: this one's forty five thousand. 103 00:05:14,960 --> 00:05:16,280 Speaker 2: I think this is important. 104 00:05:16,720 --> 00:05:18,640 Speaker 1: This is why I think it's important, besides the fact 105 00:05:18,680 --> 00:05:21,279 Speaker 1: that the Hatch hack to be damned, that these people 106 00:05:21,279 --> 00:05:24,800 Speaker 1: have completely given up on any kind of ethics. 107 00:05:24,800 --> 00:05:27,120 Speaker 4: I mean, what might say that it took a hatchet 108 00:05:27,200 --> 00:05:27,920 Speaker 4: to the Hatch act. 109 00:05:28,279 --> 00:05:32,039 Speaker 1: Yeah, makes Nixon look like Lincoln. But what I think 110 00:05:32,360 --> 00:05:35,679 Speaker 1: when you watch this is like, clearly Elon is worried 111 00:05:35,839 --> 00:05:39,120 Speaker 1: about Tesla. Right, his market share is way down, the 112 00:05:39,240 --> 00:05:42,320 Speaker 1: sales are way down. There's a reason that CEOs of 113 00:05:42,360 --> 00:05:47,200 Speaker 1: public companies don't espouse highly inflammatory political rhetoric. 114 00:05:47,520 --> 00:05:48,520 Speaker 2: And this is why. 115 00:05:48,680 --> 00:05:52,440 Speaker 1: Right because a Tesla is no longer Tesla, Tesla has 116 00:05:52,480 --> 00:05:55,000 Speaker 1: a vote for Elon, and most of the people who 117 00:05:55,080 --> 00:05:59,440 Speaker 1: buy electric cars do not love the straight armed salute. 118 00:06:00,040 --> 00:06:02,440 Speaker 1: Oh that's what we're calling it now. So I think 119 00:06:02,480 --> 00:06:07,120 Speaker 1: it's a really good point that as tacky and distasteful 120 00:06:07,240 --> 00:06:10,160 Speaker 1: and immoral as this is, I think it's really important 121 00:06:10,200 --> 00:06:12,760 Speaker 1: to remember that this is also just desperate. 122 00:06:13,160 --> 00:06:15,360 Speaker 4: My I do want to add some history here. 123 00:06:15,400 --> 00:06:17,200 Speaker 3: I don't know if you remember, all the way back 124 00:06:17,279 --> 00:06:19,040 Speaker 3: to the campaign when Donald Trump was doing all this 125 00:06:19,160 --> 00:06:22,479 Speaker 3: podcasts that a influencer on the right named Aiden Ross 126 00:06:22,480 --> 00:06:26,320 Speaker 3: with very questionable views gave Donald Trump a cyber truck 127 00:06:26,400 --> 00:06:29,840 Speaker 3: with the assassination attempt as a rapper on it. But 128 00:06:29,920 --> 00:06:34,160 Speaker 3: then Donald Trump couldn't accept it because of FEC violations. 129 00:06:34,279 --> 00:06:36,360 Speaker 3: He actually listened to the law for what's there. But 130 00:06:36,400 --> 00:06:39,680 Speaker 3: so that now Donald Trump has bought a ninety thousand 131 00:06:39,720 --> 00:06:44,000 Speaker 3: dollars Tesla with thirty seven recall notices. It gets it cuts, 132 00:06:44,640 --> 00:06:46,520 Speaker 3: that's what you're getting when you're getting the Tesla. 133 00:06:46,640 --> 00:06:46,960 Speaker 4: Baby. 134 00:06:47,320 --> 00:06:49,560 Speaker 2: Yeah, I don't know about that, but that does not 135 00:06:50,040 --> 00:06:50,560 Speaker 2: sound good. 136 00:06:51,000 --> 00:06:53,599 Speaker 3: So as well, since we're not done with all the 137 00:06:53,600 --> 00:06:57,440 Speaker 3: favors Donald Trump is doing for first buddy Elon, if 138 00:06:57,480 --> 00:07:00,880 Speaker 3: you vandalized Tesla property, the White House will prosecute you 139 00:07:00,920 --> 00:07:02,200 Speaker 3: as a domestic terrorist. 140 00:07:02,680 --> 00:07:05,559 Speaker 2: Yeah, of course, does this surprise you at all. 141 00:07:05,880 --> 00:07:07,200 Speaker 4: It does not surprise me at all. 142 00:07:07,279 --> 00:07:11,080 Speaker 1: So President Donald Trump warren protesters targeting eln Musk that 143 00:07:11,160 --> 00:07:14,920 Speaker 1: his administration will treat any attack on a Tesla company 144 00:07:15,280 --> 00:07:18,720 Speaker 1: as an act of domestic terrorism against the United States. 145 00:07:18,840 --> 00:07:19,720 Speaker 2: That makes no sense. 146 00:07:19,880 --> 00:07:22,440 Speaker 1: Standing on White House the White House lawn, next to 147 00:07:22,480 --> 00:07:25,360 Speaker 1: a line of Tesla's and flanked by Musk, nodding in 148 00:07:25,480 --> 00:07:30,680 Speaker 1: agreement and likely wearing a ridiculous hat, Trump vowed to 149 00:07:30,800 --> 00:07:33,240 Speaker 1: bring the full power of his office to bear on 150 00:07:33,440 --> 00:07:36,840 Speaker 1: anyone breaking the law in an effort to interfere with 151 00:07:37,000 --> 00:07:41,880 Speaker 1: his administration's official cost cutter in chief. Those people are 152 00:07:41,880 --> 00:07:45,640 Speaker 1: going through a big problem. When we catch them, they're 153 00:07:45,680 --> 00:07:49,520 Speaker 1: going through a big problem. They're harming a great American company. 154 00:07:49,800 --> 00:07:53,400 Speaker 1: Tesla's become a lightning rod for anti Musk sentiment. We 155 00:07:53,520 --> 00:07:57,640 Speaker 1: already know who some of them are. Trump said, I 156 00:07:57,640 --> 00:07:59,880 Speaker 1: don't know. His quotes are always amazing. 157 00:08:00,360 --> 00:08:03,400 Speaker 3: I think they're gonna go for the people who have 158 00:08:03,760 --> 00:08:08,000 Speaker 3: organized this Tesla takedown protest. But this is coming after 159 00:08:08,040 --> 00:08:10,480 Speaker 3: people for protesting it. I have to say, if you 160 00:08:10,560 --> 00:08:13,600 Speaker 3: go out after people for protesting Tesla, x's next, and 161 00:08:13,640 --> 00:08:15,800 Speaker 3: there's a lot of vulnerabilities. 162 00:08:15,000 --> 00:08:17,240 Speaker 2: There the whole thing is completely insane. 163 00:08:17,680 --> 00:08:18,520 Speaker 4: It's insane. 164 00:08:22,640 --> 00:08:24,680 Speaker 1: Andy Levy is the co host of The Daily Beasts, 165 00:08:24,720 --> 00:08:27,320 Speaker 1: The New of Normal. Hello Andy Levy. 166 00:08:27,200 --> 00:08:28,680 Speaker 5: Hello, Molly john Fast. 167 00:08:28,840 --> 00:08:30,880 Speaker 2: Here we are back again. 168 00:08:31,400 --> 00:08:33,440 Speaker 1: How many years has it been since we've been on 169 00:08:33,480 --> 00:08:34,400 Speaker 1: a podcast together? 170 00:08:34,840 --> 00:08:37,360 Speaker 5: Two years, three years, seventeen? 171 00:08:37,679 --> 00:08:39,160 Speaker 2: I think seventeen years. 172 00:08:39,480 --> 00:08:42,000 Speaker 5: Yeah, no, I think it was two years ago, two 173 00:08:42,000 --> 00:08:43,320 Speaker 5: and a half. Maybe I don't know. 174 00:08:43,640 --> 00:08:46,320 Speaker 2: I don't know, but a lot has gone wrong since then. 175 00:08:48,040 --> 00:08:49,640 Speaker 2: Things have not gone great. 176 00:08:49,880 --> 00:08:51,719 Speaker 5: Are you saying it can be traced to that? 177 00:08:52,080 --> 00:08:55,880 Speaker 1: Yes, obviously the two of us not being podcasting together 178 00:08:56,080 --> 00:09:00,440 Speaker 1: is why by laws and why Harris lost, and why 179 00:09:00,480 --> 00:09:04,640 Speaker 1: Donald Trump has somehow gotten reelected yet again. 180 00:09:04,960 --> 00:09:07,480 Speaker 5: I heard about that. Yeah, is this your fault? 181 00:09:07,920 --> 00:09:10,280 Speaker 2: It's our fault. It's our collective fault. 182 00:09:10,600 --> 00:09:13,560 Speaker 6: Well, I mean, if you want to get technical, I'm 183 00:09:13,559 --> 00:09:17,360 Speaker 6: not the one who left the other. Oh, so it's 184 00:09:17,440 --> 00:09:18,960 Speaker 6: your fault, is what I'm saying. 185 00:09:19,040 --> 00:09:23,000 Speaker 1: Yes, Okay, So Jesse wants us to talk about what's 186 00:09:23,040 --> 00:09:25,480 Speaker 1: going on right now, or at least I feel him 187 00:09:25,520 --> 00:09:30,320 Speaker 1: getting agitated. We communicate with telepathy. As far as I 188 00:09:30,400 --> 00:09:34,280 Speaker 1: can tell. Trade wars are good and easy to win discuss. 189 00:09:34,800 --> 00:09:39,439 Speaker 6: Yeah, especially when you start and stop them every weeks. 190 00:09:39,960 --> 00:09:46,280 Speaker 1: Well, when they're driven largely by mood, markets love uncertainty. 191 00:09:46,640 --> 00:09:52,400 Speaker 5: We're in a vibe war and I'm not. And the vibes, 192 00:09:53,040 --> 00:09:55,319 Speaker 5: the vibes are bad, and the vibes are bad. 193 00:09:55,559 --> 00:10:00,600 Speaker 6: It is absolutely wild and just every day I have 194 00:10:00,679 --> 00:10:03,160 Speaker 6: to wake up and see if the prices of my 195 00:10:03,240 --> 00:10:05,880 Speaker 6: electronics are going to go up by twenty to twenty 196 00:10:05,920 --> 00:10:06,800 Speaker 6: five percent or not. 197 00:10:06,960 --> 00:10:07,760 Speaker 4: I have no idea. 198 00:10:07,920 --> 00:10:10,720 Speaker 6: And I love that there's all this push to blame 199 00:10:10,840 --> 00:10:12,400 Speaker 6: all of this on Howard Litnik. 200 00:10:12,679 --> 00:10:16,440 Speaker 1: I cannot believe you're defending Howard Lutnik, But go on, 201 00:10:16,640 --> 00:10:19,120 Speaker 1: I want you to defend him so I can debunk you. 202 00:10:19,440 --> 00:10:21,360 Speaker 5: Oh, I would never defend him. 203 00:10:21,440 --> 00:10:24,160 Speaker 6: I just always find it hilarious when one of these 204 00:10:24,360 --> 00:10:28,000 Speaker 6: schmucks gets involved at a high level with. 205 00:10:28,000 --> 00:10:30,319 Speaker 5: Donald Trump and thinks that it's going to end up 206 00:10:30,360 --> 00:10:31,040 Speaker 5: well for them. 207 00:10:31,280 --> 00:10:33,720 Speaker 2: Oh, yes, no, for sure. I mean we are watching 208 00:10:33,760 --> 00:10:34,640 Speaker 2: this man devolve. 209 00:10:34,720 --> 00:10:38,280 Speaker 1: I actually watch this morning a clip on Fox from 210 00:10:38,400 --> 00:10:43,320 Speaker 1: Fox Business. You are a veteran from the cable news Wars. 211 00:10:43,800 --> 00:10:49,240 Speaker 1: I am still fighting myself, you know, with my little pig. 212 00:10:49,640 --> 00:10:53,600 Speaker 6: I'm on disability from the cable news Wars. 213 00:10:53,760 --> 00:10:56,920 Speaker 1: You're at the VA getting your cable news. 214 00:10:58,480 --> 00:10:59,480 Speaker 2: When I'm watching him. 215 00:11:01,040 --> 00:11:02,880 Speaker 1: He did this thing where he was talking to one 216 00:11:02,920 --> 00:11:07,640 Speaker 1: of these anchors that looks like Larry Cudlow, but isn't right, right, 217 00:11:07,720 --> 00:11:09,720 Speaker 1: the guy who's like the British Larry Cudlow. 218 00:11:09,760 --> 00:11:11,240 Speaker 5: You know that guy, Stuart Varney. 219 00:11:11,600 --> 00:11:15,679 Speaker 2: Yes, Stuart Varney. Yeah, you know him really well, right, 220 00:11:15,720 --> 00:11:16,679 Speaker 2: like you did a show with him. 221 00:11:16,840 --> 00:11:18,880 Speaker 5: I was a guest on his show several times. 222 00:11:18,960 --> 00:11:22,520 Speaker 1: Yes, I apologize, I mean, and by I mean apologize, 223 00:11:22,559 --> 00:11:24,120 Speaker 1: I apologize that I made you say that. 224 00:11:24,520 --> 00:11:25,599 Speaker 5: Yeah, other people to hear it. 225 00:11:26,440 --> 00:11:29,640 Speaker 1: So you hear Lutnick talking, you can almost hear like 226 00:11:29,760 --> 00:11:32,920 Speaker 1: normal for a minute, and then he breaks into Donald Trumps, 227 00:11:32,920 --> 00:11:37,600 Speaker 1: the strongest, greatest leader ever and he knows everything, and 228 00:11:37,600 --> 00:11:40,920 Speaker 1: you're like, oh, yes, North Korea, we live here now. 229 00:11:42,440 --> 00:11:45,680 Speaker 6: My favorite thing was so there was a Politico article 230 00:11:45,760 --> 00:11:48,760 Speaker 6: I think got Tuesday talking about how everyone is blaming 231 00:11:48,840 --> 00:11:50,400 Speaker 6: Lutnik now, and one. 232 00:11:50,240 --> 00:11:52,880 Speaker 5: Of the things it said that the people around Trump. 233 00:11:52,679 --> 00:11:57,319 Speaker 6: Are exasperated with Lutnick because his television appearances suggest a 234 00:11:57,400 --> 00:12:00,440 Speaker 6: lack of understanding of even the basics about hows and 235 00:12:00,480 --> 00:12:04,760 Speaker 6: the economy work. And I thought, well, yeah, but I 236 00:12:04,800 --> 00:12:08,840 Speaker 6: think as opposed to Trump. Right, it's just absolutely wild 237 00:12:08,960 --> 00:12:12,480 Speaker 6: that all of these people think that they are the 238 00:12:12,559 --> 00:12:15,559 Speaker 6: chosen ones and that they are in the inner circle, 239 00:12:15,720 --> 00:12:18,960 Speaker 6: and they are every single one of them is literally 240 00:12:19,559 --> 00:12:22,280 Speaker 6: thirty seconds like Trump, if he gets a bad burger 241 00:12:22,320 --> 00:12:24,280 Speaker 6: at McDonald's, your ass could be gone. 242 00:12:24,640 --> 00:12:25,760 Speaker 2: Oh, no question. 243 00:12:25,920 --> 00:12:29,559 Speaker 1: I mean, but I do have to say watching Lutnik, 244 00:12:29,800 --> 00:12:31,679 Speaker 1: it's true, and I think we need to have another 245 00:12:31,760 --> 00:12:33,880 Speaker 1: second to just talk about what you just said, because 246 00:12:33,880 --> 00:12:35,000 Speaker 1: I think it's really important. 247 00:12:35,080 --> 00:12:35,240 Speaker 2: Right. 248 00:12:35,720 --> 00:12:40,000 Speaker 1: No one remembers twenty sixteen to twenty twenty. Nobody remembers 249 00:12:40,000 --> 00:12:42,439 Speaker 1: those four years. Like we're sitting there going like you 250 00:12:42,559 --> 00:12:46,120 Speaker 1: got Lutnik, you got Elon jumping up and down with 251 00:12:46,160 --> 00:12:47,640 Speaker 1: his shirt riding up. 252 00:12:47,840 --> 00:12:49,440 Speaker 2: Just get him longer T shirts. 253 00:12:49,480 --> 00:12:52,839 Speaker 1: I don't know what wife he's on, but whoever you are, 254 00:12:53,000 --> 00:12:54,520 Speaker 1: just get him longer T shirts. 255 00:12:54,559 --> 00:12:57,400 Speaker 2: This is not is a very solvable problem. 256 00:12:58,840 --> 00:13:00,679 Speaker 5: I think he has nothing but xes now. 257 00:13:02,160 --> 00:13:05,200 Speaker 6: And you know, exes may not be the ones who 258 00:13:05,240 --> 00:13:08,280 Speaker 6: want to tell him to make himself look better. So 259 00:13:08,960 --> 00:13:11,120 Speaker 6: I feel like this might be a little conspiracy among 260 00:13:11,160 --> 00:13:13,680 Speaker 6: his exes. Maybe they maybe they're actually telling him no, 261 00:13:13,880 --> 00:13:15,920 Speaker 6: the short T shirt looks good on you. 262 00:13:18,160 --> 00:13:22,880 Speaker 1: The only bright spot in our current crisis, our current 263 00:13:22,920 --> 00:13:27,079 Speaker 1: whatever this is, our gentle slide into authoritarianism, is that 264 00:13:27,440 --> 00:13:31,200 Speaker 1: the ex wives are having the I mean, they're not 265 00:13:31,240 --> 00:13:33,480 Speaker 1: having the last left, because no one is having the 266 00:13:33,520 --> 00:13:35,720 Speaker 1: last left as far as I can tell. But the 267 00:13:35,840 --> 00:13:38,040 Speaker 1: ex wives are at least like you see all this 268 00:13:38,160 --> 00:13:40,360 Speaker 1: sort of billionaire x wives, or at least like sort 269 00:13:40,400 --> 00:13:43,040 Speaker 1: of doing nice things with their money. You could sort 270 00:13:43,040 --> 00:13:44,960 Speaker 1: of feel the relief that they don't have to be 271 00:13:44,960 --> 00:13:46,199 Speaker 1: married to those people anymore. 272 00:13:46,400 --> 00:13:48,559 Speaker 6: Yeah, except you know, they would like to get child 273 00:13:48,600 --> 00:13:49,800 Speaker 6: support apparently in that. 274 00:13:49,880 --> 00:13:52,600 Speaker 1: Well yeah, well those are Elon's X wives. I'm thinking 275 00:13:52,640 --> 00:13:55,160 Speaker 1: you have more like Bezos's X wives. 276 00:13:55,559 --> 00:13:59,080 Speaker 6: Gotcha, gotcha? Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. But it's interesting 277 00:13:59,080 --> 00:14:01,600 Speaker 6: to think about Elon. Is like when we talk about 278 00:14:01,679 --> 00:14:04,360 Speaker 6: the people who get close to Trump and then get 279 00:14:04,400 --> 00:14:07,080 Speaker 6: burned and next her on the outs. I've been thinking 280 00:14:07,160 --> 00:14:10,520 Speaker 6: lately that it might be too late for Trump to 281 00:14:10,559 --> 00:14:12,880 Speaker 6: try to get rid of Musk. Like Musk I think 282 00:14:13,040 --> 00:14:15,319 Speaker 6: may have more power than him at this point. 283 00:14:15,440 --> 00:14:20,480 Speaker 1: Well, that is the real I was gonna say, Sophie's choice, Yeah, 284 00:14:20,520 --> 00:14:23,240 Speaker 1: but it feels too close to home. So I'm going 285 00:14:23,320 --> 00:14:26,720 Speaker 1: to say, that's the real problem, right, because the only 286 00:14:26,880 --> 00:14:29,840 Speaker 1: thing that makes me think that maybe Trump could get 287 00:14:29,920 --> 00:14:34,840 Speaker 1: rid of Elon and not vice versa is that Elon 288 00:14:35,040 --> 00:14:38,640 Speaker 1: is just his stock is cratering, right, Like he's losing 289 00:14:39,120 --> 00:14:43,320 Speaker 1: percentages of his net worth every day. And like the 290 00:14:43,360 --> 00:14:46,440 Speaker 1: fact that they had a Tesla, that they've turned the 291 00:14:46,440 --> 00:14:48,160 Speaker 1: White House into a Tesla showroom. 292 00:14:48,640 --> 00:14:51,520 Speaker 2: That is because Elon. 293 00:14:51,360 --> 00:14:53,960 Speaker 1: Is real worried, right, Like, you don't do that if 294 00:14:54,000 --> 00:14:54,880 Speaker 1: things are going great. 295 00:14:55,280 --> 00:14:56,080 Speaker 5: No, of course not. 296 00:14:56,200 --> 00:14:58,880 Speaker 6: But the fact that Trump did that for him, like 297 00:14:59,360 --> 00:15:01,360 Speaker 6: makes me think, I think this is the kind of 298 00:15:01,400 --> 00:15:03,400 Speaker 6: power that Musk has over Trump. 299 00:15:03,440 --> 00:15:04,040 Speaker 5: At this point. 300 00:15:04,160 --> 00:15:06,640 Speaker 6: He can basically say to Trump, you know, hey, you 301 00:15:06,720 --> 00:15:08,920 Speaker 6: need to do a sales pitch for my car. I 302 00:15:08,960 --> 00:15:12,920 Speaker 6: think about all the data that Musk now has access to. 303 00:15:13,040 --> 00:15:15,520 Speaker 5: Through his little doge cribs. 304 00:15:15,880 --> 00:15:19,720 Speaker 6: Yeah, and it just makes me think, you know, he's 305 00:15:19,800 --> 00:15:24,320 Speaker 6: got like like information is power, and he now has 306 00:15:24,920 --> 00:15:28,440 Speaker 6: access to all this information about so many people. 307 00:15:28,960 --> 00:15:31,520 Speaker 5: And it just makes me wonder if like Trump. 308 00:15:31,360 --> 00:15:34,280 Speaker 6: Advisors can get pissed at Elon all they want. 309 00:15:34,520 --> 00:15:37,760 Speaker 5: And I just don't know. He may. He may. 310 00:15:38,000 --> 00:15:41,480 Speaker 6: The scheming vizier may have too much power for the 311 00:15:41,800 --> 00:15:43,120 Speaker 6: emperor to get rid of him. 312 00:15:43,320 --> 00:15:45,560 Speaker 1: I want to go back, though, to the Tesla showroom 313 00:15:45,600 --> 00:15:48,480 Speaker 1: white house thing per second, not just because I think 314 00:15:48,520 --> 00:15:51,480 Speaker 1: it's very pithy, but because if you look at the 315 00:15:51,560 --> 00:15:55,560 Speaker 1: Trump Tesla situation, it was like a very clear quid 316 00:15:55,560 --> 00:15:58,080 Speaker 1: pro quoil. Right by the way, if you guys can 317 00:15:58,360 --> 00:16:01,920 Speaker 1: find the picture that he has written down where he's like, 318 00:16:02,080 --> 00:16:04,960 Speaker 1: that's amazing, it's amazing. This car is the model t 319 00:16:05,320 --> 00:16:08,480 Speaker 1: is thirty three thousand, the model as is. I mean 320 00:16:08,800 --> 00:16:12,200 Speaker 1: literally somebody wrote down for him how much these cars cost. 321 00:16:12,360 --> 00:16:15,160 Speaker 1: But at the exact same time he did that, Elon 322 00:16:15,200 --> 00:16:18,000 Speaker 1: said He's going to do another one hundred million for 323 00:16:18,360 --> 00:16:22,960 Speaker 1: Trump's political organization. So I do think like Donald Trump 324 00:16:23,200 --> 00:16:27,040 Speaker 1: is and this is the electeds who have been able, 325 00:16:27,120 --> 00:16:29,640 Speaker 1: the state heads who have been able to figure out 326 00:16:29,720 --> 00:16:32,680 Speaker 1: how to deal with him, have done this thing where 327 00:16:32,720 --> 00:16:34,880 Speaker 1: they have, you know, you suck up to him and 328 00:16:34,880 --> 00:16:35,960 Speaker 1: then you offer him stuff. 329 00:16:36,240 --> 00:16:38,480 Speaker 2: So like the fact that Trump did. 330 00:16:38,360 --> 00:16:40,960 Speaker 1: This for Elon, in my mind, this is like just 331 00:16:41,000 --> 00:16:44,320 Speaker 1: what he does, like very transactional, so that I don't 332 00:16:44,360 --> 00:16:49,480 Speaker 1: think is necessarily as much of a tell. And remember, 333 00:16:49,560 --> 00:16:53,320 Speaker 1: like Trump knows that he needs Elon to stay solvent right, 334 00:16:53,480 --> 00:16:58,360 Speaker 1: because that's how he runs his organization. And remember, like yesterday, 335 00:16:58,680 --> 00:17:02,080 Speaker 1: all of these Republicans voted for the CR right, they 336 00:17:02,320 --> 00:17:05,520 Speaker 1: voted for a CR. And the way that Mike Johnson, 337 00:17:05,520 --> 00:17:08,520 Speaker 1: who is not a vote whipper, who basically cannot do 338 00:17:08,640 --> 00:17:11,040 Speaker 1: as far as I can tell any math who has 339 00:17:11,200 --> 00:17:14,119 Speaker 1: failed and failed and failed again on votes right, like 340 00:17:14,200 --> 00:17:17,080 Speaker 1: even rules votes, the way he got to the number 341 00:17:17,160 --> 00:17:20,640 Speaker 1: he needed with his very razor thin one seat majority 342 00:17:21,000 --> 00:17:24,280 Speaker 1: was that Trump and Elon. Maybe not Elon, but certainly 343 00:17:24,320 --> 00:17:28,720 Speaker 1: Trump and his people have whipped votes for Mike Johnson, 344 00:17:28,800 --> 00:17:30,840 Speaker 1: like we keep seeing this happen, right, And the way 345 00:17:30,840 --> 00:17:34,959 Speaker 1: they whip those votes is by bullying these people and 346 00:17:35,000 --> 00:17:37,840 Speaker 1: saying like, if you don't vote for this, we're going 347 00:17:38,000 --> 00:17:41,560 Speaker 1: to you know who knows, right, But part of it 348 00:17:41,600 --> 00:17:45,440 Speaker 1: is we're going to fund primary challenges. I do think 349 00:17:45,520 --> 00:17:49,000 Speaker 1: that like Trump sees that Elon's money is critical for 350 00:17:49,080 --> 00:17:51,879 Speaker 1: this organization, which I guess makes your point. 351 00:17:52,240 --> 00:17:53,719 Speaker 5: Yeah, no, exactly. You know. 352 00:17:53,800 --> 00:17:56,119 Speaker 6: My point is that I wonder, and I'm not saying 353 00:17:56,119 --> 00:17:58,960 Speaker 6: it's true, but I just I have started to wonder 354 00:17:59,240 --> 00:18:03,840 Speaker 6: if Trump needs Elon or is Enthrall to Elon more 355 00:18:03,880 --> 00:18:07,560 Speaker 6: than Elon is enthrall to Trump at this point. And yeah, 356 00:18:07,600 --> 00:18:10,600 Speaker 6: you talked about the threats and everything. I mean, look 357 00:18:10,600 --> 00:18:13,880 Speaker 6: at what's going on with you know, poor Thomas Massey. 358 00:18:14,880 --> 00:18:19,800 Speaker 1: That's a sentence that no sentence has ever been more cursed. 359 00:18:19,840 --> 00:18:23,160 Speaker 2: I mean we should just like you should just wash 360 00:18:23,240 --> 00:18:23,800 Speaker 2: your mouth. 361 00:18:23,960 --> 00:18:24,600 Speaker 4: That was so. 362 00:18:25,119 --> 00:18:26,960 Speaker 5: I'm actually wearing a T shirt that says. 363 00:18:26,720 --> 00:18:30,600 Speaker 2: Poor Thomas math Yes, a cursed T shirt. 364 00:18:30,800 --> 00:18:35,560 Speaker 6: It's like the start of a poem, Yes, a bad poem. Yeah, 365 00:18:35,720 --> 00:18:39,280 Speaker 6: but this is a guy, deranged right winger who has 366 00:18:39,440 --> 00:18:39,920 Speaker 6: been there. 367 00:18:40,320 --> 00:18:41,879 Speaker 2: His wife wrote. 368 00:18:41,600 --> 00:18:44,439 Speaker 1: A mass he died this year, and I think he 369 00:18:44,560 --> 00:18:47,440 Speaker 1: said something to the effect of, like that was sort 370 00:18:47,480 --> 00:18:54,040 Speaker 1: of so incredibly weirdly just so crushingly awful. Yesterday, my 371 00:18:54,119 --> 00:18:55,880 Speaker 1: high school sweetheart, the love of my life for over 372 00:18:55,960 --> 00:18:58,240 Speaker 1: thirty five years, the loving mother of our four children. 373 00:18:58,280 --> 00:19:00,520 Speaker 1: Oh that's too many, the smartest kind of woman I've 374 00:19:00,520 --> 00:19:02,960 Speaker 1: ever known, my beautiful and wise queen forever went to heaven. 375 00:19:03,160 --> 00:19:05,160 Speaker 2: I think he's like not doing great. 376 00:19:05,440 --> 00:19:07,840 Speaker 1: Like I think he's had a very tough I mean, 377 00:19:07,960 --> 00:19:10,080 Speaker 1: we're really feeling bad for Thomas Massey here. 378 00:19:10,119 --> 00:19:12,280 Speaker 6: But I was going to say, so, you're you're saying 379 00:19:12,320 --> 00:19:13,399 Speaker 6: poor Thomas Massey. 380 00:19:13,640 --> 00:19:14,919 Speaker 2: I kind of feel bad for him. 381 00:19:14,920 --> 00:19:17,800 Speaker 1: Also, Thomas Mansey, like you know, he went to Mit, 382 00:19:18,840 --> 00:19:20,320 Speaker 1: he had solar powd. 383 00:19:20,680 --> 00:19:22,959 Speaker 2: I don't know. Let's not go down this rabbit hole anyway, 384 00:19:23,080 --> 00:19:23,440 Speaker 2: go on. 385 00:19:23,520 --> 00:19:26,760 Speaker 6: Yes, continue so well, no, now that apparently we have 386 00:19:26,800 --> 00:19:28,880 Speaker 6: to be nice to Thomas Matthew, I don't even want 387 00:19:28,920 --> 00:19:29,280 Speaker 6: to go on. 388 00:19:29,400 --> 00:19:31,639 Speaker 1: I mean the point is that he's actually being really 389 00:19:31,720 --> 00:19:33,760 Speaker 1: treated terribly as everyone is. 390 00:19:34,200 --> 00:19:36,960 Speaker 6: Yeah, and this again is going back to the Lutnik 391 00:19:36,960 --> 00:19:37,960 Speaker 6: thing that we started off with. 392 00:19:38,040 --> 00:19:40,640 Speaker 5: It's the same playbook. It's like, you know, you could 393 00:19:40,640 --> 00:19:41,080 Speaker 5: be with. 394 00:19:40,960 --> 00:19:45,160 Speaker 6: Them one thousand percent, and the second you deviate from something, 395 00:19:45,480 --> 00:19:50,560 Speaker 6: or the second someone decides that you're upstaging Trump or 396 00:19:50,600 --> 00:19:51,560 Speaker 6: whatever they. 397 00:19:51,520 --> 00:19:53,560 Speaker 2: Do again having your own feelings. 398 00:19:53,840 --> 00:19:55,560 Speaker 5: The Fries didn't have enough salt on them. 399 00:19:55,680 --> 00:19:58,840 Speaker 6: So he's he's angry and they turn on you, and 400 00:19:58,880 --> 00:20:01,880 Speaker 6: you see it online. I mean, I'm not on Twitter anymore, 401 00:20:01,880 --> 00:20:04,479 Speaker 6: but I've been reading about, you know, Maggot just going 402 00:20:04,520 --> 00:20:07,240 Speaker 6: after Thomas Massey. I mean, this is one of their 403 00:20:07,600 --> 00:20:10,399 Speaker 6: greatest champions, and this is what they're doing to him. 404 00:20:10,400 --> 00:20:13,920 Speaker 5: But and Amy Cony Barrett's. 405 00:20:12,840 --> 00:20:13,680 Speaker 2: A great example. 406 00:20:13,840 --> 00:20:16,840 Speaker 6: Yeah, it's just wild over and over again, and yet 407 00:20:16,920 --> 00:20:18,919 Speaker 6: all of these people seem to think that, well, that 408 00:20:18,960 --> 00:20:19,720 Speaker 6: won't happen to me. 409 00:20:20,040 --> 00:20:22,080 Speaker 5: I can change him, Molly. 410 00:20:23,160 --> 00:20:30,520 Speaker 2: It's a horrible ending to this. Yes, yes you can. No, 411 00:20:30,760 --> 00:20:33,840 Speaker 2: I mean I think that's right. I once had a job. 412 00:20:34,280 --> 00:20:35,320 Speaker 2: I'm going to tell a story. 413 00:20:35,359 --> 00:20:35,639 Speaker 4: Really. 414 00:20:35,840 --> 00:20:39,080 Speaker 2: Yeah, it wasn't the one job I've ever had. It 415 00:20:39,119 --> 00:20:40,959 Speaker 2: was a long time ago and I wasn't there for 416 00:20:41,440 --> 00:20:41,880 Speaker 2: very long. 417 00:20:41,960 --> 00:20:45,440 Speaker 1: But the person was a narcissist, and they would talk 418 00:20:45,480 --> 00:20:49,160 Speaker 1: about an employee before you and talk about how that 419 00:20:49,240 --> 00:20:50,560 Speaker 1: person was bad. 420 00:20:50,640 --> 00:20:52,879 Speaker 2: But you're good, and you're going to be able to 421 00:20:52,920 --> 00:20:53,560 Speaker 2: figure out. 422 00:20:53,920 --> 00:20:56,640 Speaker 1: Do you see what I'm saying. Yeah, And clearly that's 423 00:20:56,680 --> 00:20:59,520 Speaker 1: what happens here. He must sort of lull you into 424 00:20:59,560 --> 00:21:02,760 Speaker 1: thinking that, like those other people are bad, but you're good. 425 00:21:03,080 --> 00:21:07,040 Speaker 5: Let me answer your statement with a question, and. 426 00:21:07,200 --> 00:21:10,480 Speaker 1: It was Donald Trump. Who No, I'm just going I 427 00:21:10,520 --> 00:21:11,760 Speaker 1: haven't told me one until now. 428 00:21:12,080 --> 00:21:14,520 Speaker 6: Marco Rubio is still Secretary of State by the end 429 00:21:14,520 --> 00:21:14,920 Speaker 6: of the year. 430 00:21:15,160 --> 00:21:18,000 Speaker 1: You know, Marco Rubio seems to have a real appetite 431 00:21:18,000 --> 00:21:18,760 Speaker 1: for humiliation. 432 00:21:19,440 --> 00:21:22,000 Speaker 5: It's a kink. It's a kink, right, Like he was. 433 00:21:22,280 --> 00:21:24,800 Speaker 1: Sitting that picture of him sitting on the couch in 434 00:21:24,880 --> 00:21:30,199 Speaker 1: the oval, looking like the smallest person ever. Reminded me 435 00:21:30,440 --> 00:21:34,399 Speaker 1: of that him sitting in the chair, Remember when there 436 00:21:34,440 --> 00:21:37,119 Speaker 1: was that picture of him sitting in big chair looking small. 437 00:21:37,440 --> 00:21:41,160 Speaker 1: I think he has an infinite appetite for this kind 438 00:21:41,160 --> 00:21:44,919 Speaker 1: of humiliation. And the man gave up his Senate seed, right, 439 00:21:44,960 --> 00:21:46,359 Speaker 1: It's not like he gets to go back to a 440 00:21:46,400 --> 00:21:50,080 Speaker 1: Senate seat. I think he stays as unless Trump really 441 00:21:50,160 --> 00:21:51,119 Speaker 1: like does something. 442 00:21:51,640 --> 00:21:53,720 Speaker 2: No, I think he stays. I bet he's there all 443 00:21:53,720 --> 00:21:54,240 Speaker 2: four years. 444 00:21:54,480 --> 00:21:57,160 Speaker 6: Okay, you're looking at this the opposite way that I am. 445 00:21:57,280 --> 00:22:00,040 Speaker 6: I'm looking at this as not that he's going to 446 00:22:00,119 --> 00:22:01,560 Speaker 6: it that he's going to be fired. 447 00:22:02,080 --> 00:22:03,840 Speaker 2: Oh yeah, I mean everyone. 448 00:22:03,920 --> 00:22:07,240 Speaker 1: I mean, certainly there will be a lot of being 449 00:22:07,320 --> 00:22:09,320 Speaker 1: fired by tweet kind of stuff. 450 00:22:09,040 --> 00:22:09,440 Speaker 2: For sure. 451 00:22:09,760 --> 00:22:11,280 Speaker 5: I think Marco's high on that list. 452 00:22:11,480 --> 00:22:15,000 Speaker 1: Somebody's gonna get scapegoaded, and my guess is it'll be 453 00:22:15,359 --> 00:22:18,960 Speaker 1: someone like Lutnik. It'll be the loudest person first. I mean, 454 00:22:19,000 --> 00:22:21,439 Speaker 1: what's amazing about Elon? Just to go back to this 455 00:22:21,600 --> 00:22:24,080 Speaker 1: is like what you said before about like how Trump 456 00:22:24,119 --> 00:22:26,840 Speaker 1: can't necessarily get rid of Elon, which is clearly clear 457 00:22:27,119 --> 00:22:29,040 Speaker 1: right that Trump is sort of stuck in this thing, 458 00:22:29,359 --> 00:22:32,960 Speaker 1: and Elon Km's doing these interviews where he's keeps saying like, 459 00:22:33,040 --> 00:22:35,680 Speaker 1: we're going to get rid of Security and Medicare. Right, 460 00:22:36,080 --> 00:22:39,320 Speaker 1: Like the entire Republican Party is based on the idea 461 00:22:39,400 --> 00:22:41,760 Speaker 1: that even though they want to do that, they have 462 00:22:41,800 --> 00:22:42,960 Speaker 1: to pretend not to. 463 00:22:43,600 --> 00:22:43,760 Speaker 2: Right. 464 00:22:43,840 --> 00:22:45,680 Speaker 5: And then you have this one guy who's like, you. 465 00:22:45,600 --> 00:22:48,199 Speaker 2: Know, we're gonna do all this stuff we lie to 466 00:22:48,200 --> 00:22:50,000 Speaker 2: you about doing, We're going to do it. 467 00:22:50,280 --> 00:22:51,840 Speaker 5: Yeah, And look that's the kind of thing. 468 00:22:51,880 --> 00:22:53,800 Speaker 6: You know, you see all these people talking about how 469 00:22:53,800 --> 00:22:56,320 Speaker 6: they're mad at Letnik for getting out in front of Trump, 470 00:22:56,440 --> 00:23:00,320 Speaker 6: but Must keeps doing these interviews and can't nobody stop opera. 471 00:23:00,600 --> 00:23:02,120 Speaker 5: The way you put it is absolutely right. 472 00:23:02,119 --> 00:23:04,879 Speaker 6: It's like Republicans are dying to get rid of Social 473 00:23:04,880 --> 00:23:08,080 Speaker 6: Security and Medicare. They've just had to you know, they've 474 00:23:08,080 --> 00:23:10,880 Speaker 6: had to lie about it for decades now. 475 00:23:11,040 --> 00:23:14,719 Speaker 1: Right because people hate Yeah, it's like the one's the 476 00:23:14,720 --> 00:23:16,639 Speaker 1: one thing they want to do is the one thing the. 477 00:23:16,640 --> 00:23:20,000 Speaker 6: American people don't want. Right, But Musk doesn't care. It 478 00:23:20,080 --> 00:23:22,959 Speaker 6: must Musk doesn't care what the American people want except 479 00:23:22,960 --> 00:23:25,000 Speaker 6: to the extent that he wants them to buy his 480 00:23:25,359 --> 00:23:28,879 Speaker 6: broken ass car. I mean, but Musk is not going 481 00:23:28,920 --> 00:23:32,600 Speaker 6: to stop doing these interviews somebody again. I suspected his 482 00:23:32,760 --> 00:23:35,680 Speaker 6: exes are telling him how great he is in these 483 00:23:35,720 --> 00:23:38,440 Speaker 6: interviews and that, you know, if only he just needs 484 00:23:38,480 --> 00:23:39,440 Speaker 6: to jump higher. 485 00:23:39,760 --> 00:23:41,640 Speaker 5: I think that's what that's what they're telling him. 486 00:23:41,800 --> 00:23:48,359 Speaker 1: No, no more, show more bellybatten. That is the last 487 00:23:48,359 --> 00:23:51,439 Speaker 1: word on this. Andy, Will you please come back and 488 00:23:51,560 --> 00:23:56,600 Speaker 1: visit me in my sad podcast world where I have 489 00:23:56,680 --> 00:23:58,119 Speaker 1: no co host, it's. 490 00:23:57,920 --> 00:23:59,280 Speaker 2: Just me, just me. 491 00:23:59,520 --> 00:24:01,639 Speaker 6: I will take it under advisement. I will meet with 492 00:24:01,680 --> 00:24:04,600 Speaker 6: my team. 493 00:24:04,720 --> 00:24:06,520 Speaker 2: Can you talk to your chief of staff? 494 00:24:06,600 --> 00:24:08,280 Speaker 6: I'm going to talk to my chief of staff, will 495 00:24:08,320 --> 00:24:11,560 Speaker 6: strategize and we'll figure out the optics and the metrics, 496 00:24:11,920 --> 00:24:13,120 Speaker 6: and we'll circle back on this. 497 00:24:13,280 --> 00:24:14,280 Speaker 5: We'll circle back on this. 498 00:24:14,720 --> 00:24:17,720 Speaker 2: Does your chief of staff? I'm an assistant. 499 00:24:17,800 --> 00:24:21,960 Speaker 6: My chief of staff has four assistants and will not 500 00:24:22,080 --> 00:24:26,480 Speaker 6: tell me their names. 501 00:24:27,160 --> 00:24:29,800 Speaker 5: Andy Levy, always a pleasure talking to you. 502 00:24:29,880 --> 00:24:36,520 Speaker 1: Molly love you, Sue has superman Yum represents Virginia's tenth 503 00:24:36,560 --> 00:24:37,520 Speaker 1: congressional district. 504 00:24:37,800 --> 00:24:39,919 Speaker 2: Welcome Representative Supermanion. 505 00:24:40,359 --> 00:24:41,160 Speaker 7: Yeah you got it. 506 00:24:41,240 --> 00:24:42,600 Speaker 2: You are a member of Congress. 507 00:24:43,000 --> 00:24:48,800 Speaker 1: You represent the district with the most government workers. 508 00:24:49,000 --> 00:24:50,760 Speaker 2: So tell us about your district. 509 00:24:51,119 --> 00:24:53,440 Speaker 8: Yeah, you know, we've got Bela Sarapor for about thirty 510 00:24:53,480 --> 00:24:56,000 Speaker 8: or forty minutes outside of DC. I've got one of 511 00:24:56,040 --> 00:24:59,320 Speaker 8: the best commutes in Congress. We've got between contractors and 512 00:24:59,440 --> 00:25:03,520 Speaker 8: federal work and people who serve those people. I mean, 513 00:25:03,520 --> 00:25:07,960 Speaker 8: we're very much entrenched in government, and I like to 514 00:25:08,080 --> 00:25:11,000 Speaker 8: say that, you know, our region serves the rest of 515 00:25:11,040 --> 00:25:11,560 Speaker 8: the country. 516 00:25:11,640 --> 00:25:12,919 Speaker 7: They do really great work. 517 00:25:13,040 --> 00:25:14,600 Speaker 8: They could be making a lot more money in the 518 00:25:14,600 --> 00:25:17,359 Speaker 8: private sector in most cases, but they decided they wanted 519 00:25:17,400 --> 00:25:20,239 Speaker 8: to serve their country and do critical work to keep 520 00:25:20,240 --> 00:25:21,320 Speaker 8: people safe and secure. 521 00:25:21,760 --> 00:25:22,000 Speaker 3: Yeah. 522 00:25:22,080 --> 00:25:26,280 Speaker 1: You know, it is interesting, and by interesting I mean 523 00:25:26,840 --> 00:25:32,119 Speaker 1: very annoying that this Republican Party seems to think that 524 00:25:32,480 --> 00:25:36,159 Speaker 1: these government workers that they're sort of getting these easy 525 00:25:36,280 --> 00:25:39,320 Speaker 1: jobs that pay a lot, when in fact, these are 526 00:25:39,400 --> 00:25:42,359 Speaker 1: the sort of jobs you do because you're patriotic, not 527 00:25:42,640 --> 00:25:45,119 Speaker 1: because because you would ultimately make more money in the 528 00:25:45,119 --> 00:25:45,840 Speaker 1: private sector. 529 00:25:46,520 --> 00:25:47,080 Speaker 7: Yeah. 530 00:25:47,160 --> 00:25:49,679 Speaker 8: I talked to a lot of people who were working 531 00:25:49,720 --> 00:25:53,800 Speaker 8: these jobs. They work quite hard, actually, and they get 532 00:25:53,800 --> 00:25:56,000 Speaker 8: paid a lot more. But most importantly, you know, they 533 00:25:56,359 --> 00:25:59,040 Speaker 8: went from the private sector of the public sector one 534 00:25:59,119 --> 00:26:01,359 Speaker 8: because they cared a lot lot about the work they're doing, 535 00:26:01,440 --> 00:26:04,199 Speaker 8: like keeping people healthy and safe and to you know, 536 00:26:04,240 --> 00:26:06,720 Speaker 8: there was an extent of job security as well in 537 00:26:06,800 --> 00:26:09,840 Speaker 8: the public sector, and you know now we've lost that, 538 00:26:10,200 --> 00:26:12,720 Speaker 8: and so how do we expect now to keep the 539 00:26:12,760 --> 00:26:16,480 Speaker 8: best and brightest talent when there's no job security, there's 540 00:26:16,600 --> 00:26:20,120 Speaker 8: less pay, and they're just being demonized by a lot 541 00:26:20,160 --> 00:26:22,920 Speaker 8: of people, especially on the right. It's a hard sell 542 00:26:23,040 --> 00:26:25,080 Speaker 8: now to attract. And one of my jobs in the 543 00:26:25,200 --> 00:26:27,720 Speaker 8: Obama White House when I worked there was to attract 544 00:26:27,760 --> 00:26:31,359 Speaker 8: the best, rightest tech talent. And you know, those folks 545 00:26:31,400 --> 00:26:35,280 Speaker 8: have all resigned in large DROs if they haven't been fired. 546 00:26:35,800 --> 00:26:39,199 Speaker 8: And now we've got issues with cybersecurity and issues with 547 00:26:39,359 --> 00:26:43,080 Speaker 8: protecting our critical infrastructure because we've let go of we're 548 00:26:43,119 --> 00:26:47,480 Speaker 8: lost a lot of those really important people that did. 549 00:26:47,440 --> 00:26:49,560 Speaker 7: Great work at a discount basically. 550 00:26:49,960 --> 00:26:53,199 Speaker 1: So I'm wondering if you could sort of explain to 551 00:26:53,400 --> 00:26:56,280 Speaker 1: us what you know, what we've seen from the outside 552 00:26:56,359 --> 00:26:58,959 Speaker 1: is that there's been a lot of elan like trying 553 00:26:59,000 --> 00:27:02,320 Speaker 1: people and then lot of you know, fork in the 554 00:27:02,400 --> 00:27:05,439 Speaker 1: road emails, a lot of this stuff did a Twitter, 555 00:27:05,520 --> 00:27:08,840 Speaker 1: and then a lot of rehiring or trying to rehire, 556 00:27:09,000 --> 00:27:12,439 Speaker 1: or maybe rehiring or maybe not rehiring. So tell me 557 00:27:12,720 --> 00:27:15,679 Speaker 1: kind of what the experience is about, you know, with 558 00:27:15,760 --> 00:27:18,159 Speaker 1: the people in your district, and give me sort of 559 00:27:18,200 --> 00:27:21,600 Speaker 1: a broad sense of what the people in your district are, 560 00:27:22,080 --> 00:27:25,120 Speaker 1: sort of what they're like, what parts of the government 561 00:27:25,160 --> 00:27:25,719 Speaker 1: they work in. 562 00:27:26,200 --> 00:27:27,960 Speaker 7: Yeah, I've heard enough stories. 563 00:27:28,200 --> 00:27:32,240 Speaker 8: I've observed this enough to come to touple conclusions. One, 564 00:27:32,680 --> 00:27:34,840 Speaker 8: you know, let's stop the throw clearing about Well, I 565 00:27:34,880 --> 00:27:36,760 Speaker 8: want to make government better, more efficient. This isn't the 566 00:27:36,760 --> 00:27:40,120 Speaker 8: way to do it. This effort, this DOGE effort, is 567 00:27:40,119 --> 00:27:44,679 Speaker 8: not about making government more efficient or more effective or better. 568 00:27:44,920 --> 00:27:49,200 Speaker 8: It's doing the opposite actually, and it's actually hurting taxpayers 569 00:27:49,240 --> 00:27:52,560 Speaker 8: and wasting taxpayer dollars. We had a story someone said 570 00:27:52,680 --> 00:27:57,600 Speaker 8: of DOGE staffers moving into a government office and then 571 00:27:58,520 --> 00:28:02,920 Speaker 8: you know, buying Ikea furniture and even paying twenty five 572 00:28:03,000 --> 00:28:06,960 Speaker 8: thousand dollars per washer dryer that costs two thousand dollars 573 00:28:07,040 --> 00:28:09,840 Speaker 8: if you just go online. And so this is not 574 00:28:10,320 --> 00:28:14,760 Speaker 8: efficient or effective. They're also canceling contracts that for instance, 575 00:28:14,960 --> 00:28:17,240 Speaker 8: maybe it may have cost US ten million dollars. We're 576 00:28:17,240 --> 00:28:20,480 Speaker 8: five million dollars in halfway done with the project. They 577 00:28:20,520 --> 00:28:23,760 Speaker 8: cancel the contract. We're out five million dollars plus the 578 00:28:23,800 --> 00:28:26,320 Speaker 8: project doesn't get done. I mean, this is the least 579 00:28:26,400 --> 00:28:29,959 Speaker 8: efficient way of trying to make government more efficient, and 580 00:28:30,040 --> 00:28:32,640 Speaker 8: it's going to hurt every American And then those are 581 00:28:32,720 --> 00:28:34,600 Speaker 8: That's just one part of it. The second part is 582 00:28:34,680 --> 00:28:37,320 Speaker 8: there's a brain drain in our government because of this. 583 00:28:37,720 --> 00:28:40,560 Speaker 8: So again we're losing the technologists. We're losing the scientists, 584 00:28:40,760 --> 00:28:44,320 Speaker 8: We're losing the highly skilled workers who were taking less 585 00:28:44,400 --> 00:28:47,920 Speaker 8: money to serve our country. It's going to hurt us 586 00:28:47,960 --> 00:28:50,800 Speaker 8: in so many ways that it's hard to put a 587 00:28:50,880 --> 00:28:54,000 Speaker 8: value on how difficult this is going to make things 588 00:28:54,040 --> 00:28:56,680 Speaker 8: for our country and for government. And I think that 589 00:28:56,800 --> 00:29:00,640 Speaker 8: doge people realizing this and realizing their own incompetence, and 590 00:29:00,720 --> 00:29:03,040 Speaker 8: so they're trying to walk back some of these things 591 00:29:03,080 --> 00:29:05,920 Speaker 8: and call them mistakes. And you say you can't bat 592 00:29:05,960 --> 00:29:09,280 Speaker 8: a thousand, Well, in government, you got to bat as 593 00:29:09,320 --> 00:29:12,000 Speaker 8: close to a thousand as possible because people's lives are 594 00:29:12,040 --> 00:29:15,880 Speaker 8: on the line, people's benefits won't get delivered, things won't 595 00:29:15,880 --> 00:29:18,000 Speaker 8: get done, or country won't stay safe if you don't 596 00:29:18,000 --> 00:29:20,440 Speaker 8: bat as close to a thousand as possible. And it's 597 00:29:20,480 --> 00:29:22,760 Speaker 8: pretty clear from the stories I've heard that they are 598 00:29:23,000 --> 00:29:25,520 Speaker 8: doing a terrible job. If their goal is to make 599 00:29:25,560 --> 00:29:29,160 Speaker 8: government more efficient and get rid of waste, road and abuse, do. 600 00:29:29,160 --> 00:29:32,880 Speaker 1: We know are they rehiring people in some places the 601 00:29:33,120 --> 00:29:34,800 Speaker 1: state or hiring people? 602 00:29:35,040 --> 00:29:36,880 Speaker 2: Are you seeing that in Virginia are now? 603 00:29:37,320 --> 00:29:37,520 Speaker 7: Yeah? 604 00:29:37,560 --> 00:29:39,960 Speaker 8: You know, we have a governor that's sort of on 605 00:29:40,000 --> 00:29:42,479 Speaker 8: board with this whole effort. I think he has feature 606 00:29:42,800 --> 00:29:47,000 Speaker 8: national ambitions, Glenn Youngkin. So the state hasn't done a lot. 607 00:29:47,440 --> 00:29:50,240 Speaker 8: The legislature here has, but I would say, you know, 608 00:29:50,320 --> 00:29:54,320 Speaker 8: bigger picture, they're rehiring people when there's pressure. And this 609 00:29:54,400 --> 00:29:57,560 Speaker 8: is what I've told people is when you speak out, 610 00:29:57,720 --> 00:30:00,480 Speaker 8: don't be afraid. This is the time to seek out 611 00:30:00,720 --> 00:30:02,880 Speaker 8: a lot of civil servants, a lot of government workers 612 00:30:02,880 --> 00:30:06,000 Speaker 8: have been trained to not be partisan. Doesn't matter who's president, 613 00:30:06,000 --> 00:30:08,040 Speaker 8: you just serve your country. Well, this is a different 614 00:30:08,040 --> 00:30:10,240 Speaker 8: time right now, and there's a lot on the line. 615 00:30:10,320 --> 00:30:12,960 Speaker 8: Now is the time to tell your story, talk about 616 00:30:13,040 --> 00:30:16,239 Speaker 8: the incompetence, talk about how this is going to hurt 617 00:30:16,280 --> 00:30:18,680 Speaker 8: the American people. And when I've seen people do that, 618 00:30:18,720 --> 00:30:21,959 Speaker 8: when I've shared their story myself, you start to see 619 00:30:22,280 --> 00:30:25,600 Speaker 8: the doge folks in the administration walk things back. And 620 00:30:25,640 --> 00:30:28,000 Speaker 8: that's why that people have a lot of power. We're 621 00:30:28,000 --> 00:30:31,160 Speaker 8: not helpless in this fight. We're not helpless in this 622 00:30:31,280 --> 00:30:34,280 Speaker 8: effort if you just speak up and use your voice. 623 00:30:34,560 --> 00:30:38,520 Speaker 1: Yeah, Congress has basically been stripped of its power by 624 00:30:38,640 --> 00:30:42,520 Speaker 1: don't right. What can you do? You're in the minority, 625 00:30:42,560 --> 00:30:46,000 Speaker 1: but you do. They have a very small majority. Is 626 00:30:46,040 --> 00:30:50,080 Speaker 1: there anything that Democrats can do in Congress to gum 627 00:30:50,160 --> 00:30:54,200 Speaker 1: up the works? To express I mean, obviously Democratic voters 628 00:30:54,240 --> 00:30:58,320 Speaker 1: are furious. Is there anything you guys can do to 629 00:30:58,400 --> 00:31:01,959 Speaker 1: express this, to get publicans to have some interest in 630 00:31:02,000 --> 00:31:04,720 Speaker 1: their own power of the person responsibility. 631 00:31:05,000 --> 00:31:06,680 Speaker 7: I'm new here. I'm two months in. 632 00:31:06,840 --> 00:31:09,960 Speaker 8: I came from the state legislature where very few people 633 00:31:10,000 --> 00:31:12,760 Speaker 8: paid attention to what I did. But now I'm in Congress, 634 00:31:12,800 --> 00:31:15,680 Speaker 8: and what I found is, you know, yes, I've introduced bills, 635 00:31:15,800 --> 00:31:18,160 Speaker 8: i have a build called the Leash Dough Jact, and 636 00:31:18,400 --> 00:31:21,520 Speaker 8: I've got other you know, letters that I've done. There's 637 00:31:21,560 --> 00:31:23,520 Speaker 8: things you can do, but that stuff's not going to 638 00:31:23,520 --> 00:31:26,040 Speaker 8: get hearings, right, We're not going to move it. What 639 00:31:26,080 --> 00:31:29,600 Speaker 8: I think is different about my job now is I've got, 640 00:31:29,800 --> 00:31:32,680 Speaker 8: you know, a way to amplify people's voices. I've got 641 00:31:33,040 --> 00:31:35,440 Speaker 8: the House floor, I can go to every day if 642 00:31:35,480 --> 00:31:38,560 Speaker 8: I want and just speak about what's going on. And 643 00:31:38,600 --> 00:31:43,440 Speaker 8: so I've used sort of my office to share stories, 644 00:31:43,840 --> 00:31:47,840 Speaker 8: to allow people to be almost like people's tip line, right, 645 00:31:47,880 --> 00:31:51,160 Speaker 8: to share their stories about what's going on, how's affecting them. 646 00:31:51,720 --> 00:31:55,360 Speaker 8: I see my job as a member of Congress and 647 00:31:55,440 --> 00:31:58,960 Speaker 8: the you know, the opposition party right now and the 648 00:31:59,000 --> 00:32:02,760 Speaker 8: wrong side of a try effect to connect what the 649 00:32:02,800 --> 00:32:07,120 Speaker 8: administration is doing to how it's affecting everyday people. And 650 00:32:07,200 --> 00:32:09,480 Speaker 8: I think the more we do that, one, the more 651 00:32:09,600 --> 00:32:14,280 Speaker 8: the administration backtracks and Doge back tracks, but two people 652 00:32:14,360 --> 00:32:18,240 Speaker 8: start to understand that this is a problem, that some 653 00:32:18,360 --> 00:32:21,440 Speaker 8: of these issues, some of these moves are going to 654 00:32:21,520 --> 00:32:24,800 Speaker 8: hurt every American. And it's not just about federal workers. 655 00:32:25,160 --> 00:32:27,720 Speaker 8: It's about the work the federal workers did and how 656 00:32:27,760 --> 00:32:29,600 Speaker 8: it's going to affect people. It's not just about the 657 00:32:29,640 --> 00:32:33,400 Speaker 8: people who are on Medicaid. It's going to raise premiums 658 00:32:33,400 --> 00:32:36,360 Speaker 8: for every person, regardless if you're on Medicaid. Like I 659 00:32:36,440 --> 00:32:39,680 Speaker 8: can keep going, right, The point is that I see 660 00:32:39,720 --> 00:32:42,280 Speaker 8: it as my job to amplify the voices of people 661 00:32:42,320 --> 00:32:46,120 Speaker 8: and connect the bad policies with their impact on everyday people. 662 00:32:46,680 --> 00:32:49,040 Speaker 1: One of the things we're seeing is that a lot 663 00:32:49,200 --> 00:32:53,360 Speaker 1: of Republicans are not holding town halls because they're getting 664 00:32:53,360 --> 00:32:55,560 Speaker 1: a lot of negative pushback, because they're doing a lot 665 00:32:55,560 --> 00:32:56,760 Speaker 1: of unpopular stuff. 666 00:32:56,880 --> 00:32:59,480 Speaker 2: Do you think Democrats should be holding town halls? 667 00:33:00,040 --> 00:33:00,640 Speaker 7: Absolutely? 668 00:33:00,880 --> 00:33:03,600 Speaker 8: I mean I'm going to be holding more town halls, 669 00:33:03,720 --> 00:33:06,240 Speaker 8: at least two next week. I've had a couple of 670 00:33:06,280 --> 00:33:09,400 Speaker 8: really big ones already, and it's good. I want people 671 00:33:09,480 --> 00:33:12,240 Speaker 8: who disagree with me to come too. I don't mind it. Right, 672 00:33:12,440 --> 00:33:15,960 Speaker 8: we should be learning from our constituents, hearing what they 673 00:33:16,000 --> 00:33:18,520 Speaker 8: have to say, regardless of whether they agree with us. 674 00:33:18,560 --> 00:33:22,240 Speaker 8: That's democracy, that's how it should work, right, And so 675 00:33:22,480 --> 00:33:26,360 Speaker 8: we shouldn't be dodging our constituents and the people we serve. 676 00:33:26,840 --> 00:33:28,800 Speaker 8: And so I think it's obvious that they should. And 677 00:33:29,400 --> 00:33:32,600 Speaker 8: you know, I remember when the Tea Party was rising. 678 00:33:32,920 --> 00:33:35,120 Speaker 8: I was working for a Member of Congress back then, 679 00:33:35,720 --> 00:33:38,720 Speaker 8: and she did town halls, even with Tea Party people 680 00:33:38,800 --> 00:33:41,720 Speaker 8: yelling at her, to her credit. And so I think 681 00:33:41,720 --> 00:33:45,320 Speaker 8: that it's incumbent upon us to listen to our constituents 682 00:33:45,360 --> 00:33:47,520 Speaker 8: and look them in the eye. If that's what they want, 683 00:33:47,640 --> 00:33:48,840 Speaker 8: give them an opportunity. 684 00:33:49,080 --> 00:33:51,520 Speaker 2: Yeah, they have a very slim majority. 685 00:33:52,120 --> 00:33:54,520 Speaker 1: Is there any sense in which maybe some of these 686 00:33:54,560 --> 00:33:57,840 Speaker 1: special elections could move the majority or is it just 687 00:33:57,920 --> 00:33:59,040 Speaker 1: they're just unwinnable. 688 00:33:59,280 --> 00:34:03,160 Speaker 8: I remember after Trump first got elected, John Ossoff ran 689 00:34:03,320 --> 00:34:06,200 Speaker 8: for the first time in a House seat, and he lost, 690 00:34:06,520 --> 00:34:08,719 Speaker 8: but it was a close race and Republicans had to 691 00:34:08,760 --> 00:34:11,520 Speaker 8: spend a ton of money and a race very similar 692 00:34:11,520 --> 00:34:14,000 Speaker 8: to these special elections. I think a lot of good 693 00:34:14,080 --> 00:34:16,640 Speaker 8: came out of that race. It was a signal to 694 00:34:16,719 --> 00:34:20,400 Speaker 8: everyone that things were shifting, and it was also signaled 695 00:34:20,440 --> 00:34:24,320 Speaker 8: to vulnerable Republicans at the time that this isn't business 696 00:34:24,360 --> 00:34:27,320 Speaker 8: as usual and that the president didn't have a mandate. 697 00:34:27,680 --> 00:34:31,319 Speaker 8: So if we have a great performance and these special elections, 698 00:34:31,840 --> 00:34:36,880 Speaker 8: and we send a signal to vulnerable Republicans that they 699 00:34:36,880 --> 00:34:42,120 Speaker 8: shouldn't just be towing the Trump line, then we can 700 00:34:42,160 --> 00:34:45,920 Speaker 8: pick off three votes for different agenda items, right, We 701 00:34:45,960 --> 00:34:49,560 Speaker 8: can actually chip away at some of this agenda. And 702 00:34:49,920 --> 00:34:52,279 Speaker 8: so I say that we do everything we can to 703 00:34:52,320 --> 00:34:55,279 Speaker 8: make these a close race. Even if we don't win them, 704 00:34:55,560 --> 00:34:58,440 Speaker 8: there may be a moral victory in sending a message 705 00:34:58,480 --> 00:34:59,520 Speaker 8: to the country. 706 00:34:59,320 --> 00:35:01,960 Speaker 1: Right exactly. And I think that's a real thing. I 707 00:35:02,000 --> 00:35:04,880 Speaker 1: often think of, like how we got here, right, Trump 708 00:35:04,880 --> 00:35:06,600 Speaker 1: has won for a second time. 709 00:35:07,280 --> 00:35:11,960 Speaker 2: He had all these indictments, so many spots in which 710 00:35:12,239 --> 00:35:15,560 Speaker 2: it seemed impossible for him to win, and then he 711 00:35:15,640 --> 00:35:18,319 Speaker 2: won anyone the popular vote. What do you think, like 712 00:35:18,400 --> 00:35:21,960 Speaker 2: if you were to look at sort of the Democrats. 713 00:35:22,440 --> 00:35:24,760 Speaker 2: This is for my own edification as much as anything. 714 00:35:25,000 --> 00:35:25,920 Speaker 2: What went wrong. 715 00:35:26,800 --> 00:35:32,440 Speaker 8: Yeah, there's a anti incumbent movement across the world right now, right, 716 00:35:32,560 --> 00:35:37,640 Speaker 8: and we had to own a very difficult recovery from COVID, 717 00:35:37,880 --> 00:35:40,480 Speaker 8: and so I think the economy was a big part 718 00:35:40,520 --> 00:35:42,960 Speaker 8: of what went wrong. And then it was easy to 719 00:35:43,040 --> 00:35:46,600 Speaker 8: blame Biden for all the problems in the world, even 720 00:35:46,600 --> 00:35:50,000 Speaker 8: if Trump's solution would make that problem worse, Right, we'd 721 00:35:50,000 --> 00:35:53,080 Speaker 8: think of like foreign policy and what's happening now he's 722 00:35:53,080 --> 00:35:56,400 Speaker 8: made things worse and every part of the planet. But 723 00:35:56,440 --> 00:35:59,719 Speaker 8: at the time, you know, Biden was the fall guy 724 00:36:00,400 --> 00:36:03,640 Speaker 8: all the problems, all the wars, right, So you know, 725 00:36:03,640 --> 00:36:06,120 Speaker 8: I think that was the combination of what went wrong, 726 00:36:06,640 --> 00:36:11,000 Speaker 8: and I think it's important not to blame everything. 727 00:36:11,480 --> 00:36:12,680 Speaker 7: Certainly there was a little bit. 728 00:36:12,960 --> 00:36:16,239 Speaker 8: There's more we can do as a democratic party on 729 00:36:16,320 --> 00:36:19,600 Speaker 8: all sorts of things like messaging on you know, relating 730 00:36:19,600 --> 00:36:22,719 Speaker 8: to American people being everywhere. But I don't want to 731 00:36:22,760 --> 00:36:25,279 Speaker 8: overthink that, oh, well, all our policies are bad, then 732 00:36:25,320 --> 00:36:27,640 Speaker 8: we needed to go back to the drawing board on 733 00:36:28,080 --> 00:36:30,440 Speaker 8: all our values. Right, That's not what we should be doing. 734 00:36:30,920 --> 00:36:33,920 Speaker 1: But do you think it was a policy problem or 735 00:36:33,920 --> 00:36:36,920 Speaker 1: do you think it was a politics problem. 736 00:36:37,080 --> 00:36:39,560 Speaker 8: It was a politics problem. It was a very difficult 737 00:36:40,040 --> 00:36:42,760 Speaker 8: cycle to run as an incumbent, and then we had 738 00:36:43,280 --> 00:36:47,760 Speaker 8: our incumbent drop out basically one hundred days before the election, 739 00:36:48,520 --> 00:36:51,680 Speaker 8: and we had the vice president having to introduce herself 740 00:36:52,160 --> 00:36:54,600 Speaker 8: in a very short period of time and be easily 741 00:36:54,640 --> 00:36:56,680 Speaker 8: defined by the other side. So there's a lot that 742 00:36:56,760 --> 00:36:59,400 Speaker 8: went into it. I would say we are where we 743 00:36:59,440 --> 00:37:02,960 Speaker 8: are now and learn the lessons. I think one lesson 744 00:37:03,000 --> 00:37:06,080 Speaker 8: to me is that we need to have a positive 745 00:37:06,480 --> 00:37:10,319 Speaker 8: vision as well, and not just be anti Trump, but 746 00:37:10,400 --> 00:37:14,040 Speaker 8: too we need to connect Trump's agenda to how it's 747 00:37:14,160 --> 00:37:17,160 Speaker 8: hurting the American people, because it is, and not just 748 00:37:17,239 --> 00:37:20,840 Speaker 8: let him blame Democrats for anything that goes wrong anymore 749 00:37:21,040 --> 00:37:23,560 Speaker 8: because he owns it now. So I think there's things 750 00:37:23,560 --> 00:37:27,440 Speaker 8: we've learned, and people have different ways of expressing themselves. Right, 751 00:37:27,560 --> 00:37:30,800 Speaker 8: Al Green stood up on the floor, right when Trump spoke, 752 00:37:31,000 --> 00:37:33,719 Speaker 8: and then you know, we've got Senator Fetterman going out 753 00:37:33,719 --> 00:37:35,920 Speaker 8: there with a different message. All that is okay. As 754 00:37:35,920 --> 00:37:38,000 Speaker 8: long as we're speaking up right, and as long as 755 00:37:38,040 --> 00:37:41,840 Speaker 8: we're pointing out the problems and the policy failures of 756 00:37:41,880 --> 00:37:44,920 Speaker 8: this administration, then people should speak in the way that 757 00:37:44,920 --> 00:37:48,239 Speaker 8: their constituents like and that they think will break through. 758 00:37:48,560 --> 00:37:50,359 Speaker 2: Thank you so much for joining us. 759 00:37:50,800 --> 00:37:52,040 Speaker 7: Yeah, thank you, This is great. 760 00:37:57,000 --> 00:37:59,560 Speaker 4: Jesse Cannon Molly jumped fast. 761 00:37:59,680 --> 00:38:02,200 Speaker 3: We were going to get a lot of wackiness with 762 00:38:02,600 --> 00:38:06,920 Speaker 3: RFK Junior cavid to HHS's office. I didn't really know 763 00:38:06,960 --> 00:38:09,920 Speaker 3: that he'd be sitting there eating at a steak in 764 00:38:10,000 --> 00:38:14,120 Speaker 3: Shake with Sean Hannity and talking about Trump's diet these days. 765 00:38:14,120 --> 00:38:16,520 Speaker 3: But he also said it would be better if everyone 766 00:38:16,560 --> 00:38:17,160 Speaker 3: got measles. 767 00:38:17,520 --> 00:38:19,799 Speaker 1: So I want to just point out earlier, Jesse and 768 00:38:19,840 --> 00:38:23,000 Speaker 1: I had an argument about seed oils. 769 00:38:22,200 --> 00:38:23,640 Speaker 2: Which this. 770 00:38:26,000 --> 00:38:27,040 Speaker 4: Argument is strong. 771 00:38:27,520 --> 00:38:30,520 Speaker 1: We need to know about our disagreement on seed oils, 772 00:38:30,560 --> 00:38:33,000 Speaker 1: which ended would neither of us really knowing what we 773 00:38:33,000 --> 00:38:34,600 Speaker 1: were talking about or also. 774 00:38:34,520 --> 00:38:36,200 Speaker 4: Caring that's correct. 775 00:38:36,560 --> 00:38:40,400 Speaker 1: Yeah, But anyway, the point is RFK Junior said that, 776 00:38:40,840 --> 00:38:43,239 Speaker 1: I mean, by the way, this is so insane that 777 00:38:43,280 --> 00:38:46,360 Speaker 1: this person is. It's like it's funny, but it's also 778 00:38:46,560 --> 00:38:50,120 Speaker 1: just a fucking nightmare. Right. We have a perfectly saved 779 00:38:50,160 --> 00:38:54,719 Speaker 1: vaccine for measles. It's been going forever now. Because Republicans 780 00:38:54,760 --> 00:38:58,160 Speaker 1: don't understand math or science, they would like us to 781 00:38:58,239 --> 00:39:02,719 Speaker 1: get measles. Here is RFK Junior, my favorite. 782 00:39:02,880 --> 00:39:03,399 Speaker 2: Here we go. 783 00:39:03,800 --> 00:39:06,680 Speaker 1: It used to be when I were a kid that 784 00:39:06,840 --> 00:39:10,000 Speaker 1: everybody got measles. Yes, that's because you didn't have a 785 00:39:10,080 --> 00:39:13,240 Speaker 1: vaccine for it, and the measles gave you lifetime protection 786 00:39:13,400 --> 00:39:15,719 Speaker 1: against measles infections, except if you died. 787 00:39:15,960 --> 00:39:17,319 Speaker 2: The vaccine doesn't do that. 788 00:39:17,480 --> 00:39:20,160 Speaker 1: The vaccine is effective for some people for life, but 789 00:39:20,200 --> 00:39:23,600 Speaker 1: for others it WANs Okay, I mean you could also 790 00:39:23,760 --> 00:39:26,120 Speaker 1: die of the vaccine. I mean of the not of 791 00:39:26,120 --> 00:39:28,319 Speaker 1: the vaccine. You could die of measles. Right, You could 792 00:39:28,320 --> 00:39:31,840 Speaker 1: die of measles, or you could get vaccinated. The measles 793 00:39:31,880 --> 00:39:35,280 Speaker 1: MOUMPS and rubella vaccine offers a ninety three percent protection 794 00:39:35,320 --> 00:39:38,640 Speaker 1: against measles if the recipient has one dose and ninety 795 00:39:38,840 --> 00:39:42,520 Speaker 1: seven percent after two dose. Or you could just get 796 00:39:42,520 --> 00:39:47,280 Speaker 1: the measles, which obviously is way better because what anyway, 797 00:39:47,760 --> 00:39:49,920 Speaker 1: I don't even want to say anything else except that 798 00:39:50,200 --> 00:39:53,120 Speaker 1: there's no reason for you to ever get measles, Like 799 00:39:53,360 --> 00:39:55,680 Speaker 1: there is a perfectly safe vaccine and you should take 800 00:39:55,719 --> 00:39:57,960 Speaker 1: it and also eat seed oils. 801 00:39:58,320 --> 00:40:00,160 Speaker 3: I have one last thing to say, which is the 802 00:40:00,280 --> 00:40:02,719 Speaker 3: listeners haven't watched this clip. The best part is when 803 00:40:02,880 --> 00:40:06,520 Speaker 3: the restaurant sends over a giant milkshaked RFK and he's like, no, no, 804 00:40:06,560 --> 00:40:07,880 Speaker 3: it's not for me, it's not for me. 805 00:40:08,400 --> 00:40:10,279 Speaker 2: Wait, why can't he drink milkshakes. 806 00:40:10,520 --> 00:40:13,440 Speaker 4: He's making America healthy again, Molly, you but. 807 00:40:13,480 --> 00:40:15,680 Speaker 2: He's eat he choose chewing tobacco. 808 00:40:16,239 --> 00:40:18,400 Speaker 3: I think he does a lot of things that aren't healthy, 809 00:40:18,640 --> 00:40:21,479 Speaker 3: much less healthy than that, like eating roadkill and. 810 00:40:21,440 --> 00:40:22,640 Speaker 2: Yes, well there's a roadkill. 811 00:40:23,360 --> 00:40:27,680 Speaker 1: That's it for this episode of Fast Politics. 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