WEBVTT - What's At Stake 0:00:11.760 --> 0:00:14.720 Good morning, peeps, and welcome to wok F Daily with 0:00:14.800 --> 0:00:20.120 me your Girl, Daniel Moody, recording from the home Bunker. Folks, 0:00:21.239 --> 0:00:27.319 the countdown clocks have hit zero, and today is the 0:00:27.440 --> 0:00:30.880 final day to vote. It is election Day. It is 0:00:30.920 --> 0:00:36.159 a day that we here at WOKA ASKS have been 0:00:36.200 --> 0:00:41.720 talking about for what feels like a millennia. I am filled, 0:00:42.320 --> 0:00:44.559 and I'm going to try and make it through this 0:00:44.640 --> 0:00:49.080 episode without bursting into tears. I, like many of you, 0:00:49.520 --> 0:00:55.400 are filled with a lot of anxiety and stress and 0:00:55.480 --> 0:01:02.800 fear about what comes next. And I just want us 0:01:02.880 --> 0:01:08.280 to know that the work that people have put in 0:01:08.959 --> 0:01:13.400 the door knockers, the texters, the folks that have donated, 0:01:13.560 --> 0:01:17.640 the folks that have been on air, the folks that 0:01:17.800 --> 0:01:22.840 have been sharing on their pages trying to wake people 0:01:23.000 --> 0:01:28.520 up to the existential threat that is Donald Trump and Maga, 0:01:28.800 --> 0:01:33.240 your work has been seen, it has been felt. The 0:01:33.360 --> 0:01:36.880 energy that you all have been providing me over the 0:01:36.920 --> 0:01:43.440 course of this election cycle, I truly cannot thank you enough. 0:01:44.760 --> 0:01:52.200 We've been living in extraordinary times and the last several 0:01:52.320 --> 0:01:55.960 years have been so much. You know, there's been like 0:01:56.000 --> 0:02:01.360 this joke going around that the human was not built 0:02:01.520 --> 0:02:08.160 to deal with and handle three Trump elections in nine years, 0:02:09.200 --> 0:02:14.359 and I can't agree with that statement enough. I don't know, friends, 0:02:15.200 --> 0:02:20.000 It's been a lot. It's been a lot, and we 0:02:20.200 --> 0:02:24.480 have to hold on to the fact that regardless of 0:02:24.520 --> 0:02:28.239 the outcome, there is going to be so much work 0:02:28.360 --> 0:02:33.280 to do, because what I hope that people take away 0:02:34.280 --> 0:02:38.960 from the last several years is that democracy is not 0:02:39.480 --> 0:02:47.720 a passive sport. Democracy requires our vigilance, our consistency, our attention, 0:02:48.080 --> 0:02:52.359 our engagement on a regular basis, not just every four 0:02:52.440 --> 0:02:55.520 years and not just every two years, but every year, 0:02:55.760 --> 0:03:02.040 every day. And I hope you know that America makes 0:03:02.400 --> 0:03:07.880 the right choice and chooses freedom chooses equity chooses, justice 0:03:08.040 --> 0:03:11.520 chooses bodily autonomy. I don't know when we will know, 0:03:12.520 --> 0:03:15.600 but I know that I will be here with all 0:03:15.639 --> 0:03:20.160 of you finding our way through the end of dismayze. 0:03:21.120 --> 0:03:26.360 I encourage all of you to subscribe over on YouTube 0:03:26.440 --> 0:03:29.400 to the Danielle Moody channel. I will be going live 0:03:30.360 --> 0:03:35.920 tonight for my normal five pm Eastern Danielle Moody Show. 0:03:36.640 --> 0:03:40.800 I will also be live on Mary Trump Media off 0:03:40.840 --> 0:03:44.160 and on throughout the night. I will also be live 0:03:44.840 --> 0:03:49.720 with Mehdi Hassan at some point. So I encourage you 0:03:50.720 --> 0:03:54.960 go over to YouTube follow subscribe because that is where 0:03:54.960 --> 0:03:58.600 I'll be and if you want to be kept in 0:03:58.680 --> 0:04:01.640 the loop on up to time the minute news, please 0:04:01.720 --> 0:04:07.280 do find me there. Coming up next a conversation that 0:04:07.400 --> 0:04:11.880 I had with our friend, doctor Jonathan Metzel about the 0:04:11.920 --> 0:04:15.800 stakes of this election, about the importance of this moment 0:04:16.640 --> 0:04:20.520 and where we go next. That conversation is coming to 0:04:20.560 --> 0:04:25.839 you next. Friends, you know that whenever we have the 0:04:25.839 --> 0:04:29.400 opportunity to sit down with our in house doctor, doctor 0:04:29.480 --> 0:04:34.200 Jonathan Metzel, we are always thrilled and honored. Jonathan, we 0:04:34.240 --> 0:04:38.680 are speaking to you with one week, one week until 0:04:38.839 --> 0:04:41.640 the last day to vote. I feel like you and 0:04:41.720 --> 0:04:45.919 I have been doing a countdown for a millennia at 0:04:46.000 --> 0:04:46.599 this point. 0:04:46.760 --> 0:04:48.000 We've been doing this for a long time. 0:04:48.120 --> 0:04:51.240 We've been doing this for a long time. So before 0:04:51.279 --> 0:04:54.479 we dive in to our topics today, how are you 0:04:54.560 --> 0:05:01.120 feeling with one week until the final day to vote? 0:05:01.560 --> 0:05:03.640 I'm of three minds, I will put oh. 0:05:03.600 --> 0:05:06.599 Three, you're not of two? Damn three? Okay? 0:05:07.040 --> 0:05:08.279 I am try minded. 0:05:08.560 --> 0:05:10.200 Okay. 0:05:10.279 --> 0:05:13.320 You know. On one hand, I think Harris is running 0:05:13.320 --> 0:05:17.640 an excellent campaign. There are just so many divergent coalitions 0:05:17.640 --> 0:05:21.680 and interests under the framework of the Democratic Party. The 0:05:21.880 --> 0:05:25.279 Democratic Party, I think, in other hands, would feel almost 0:05:25.520 --> 0:05:31.240 unmanageable or ungovernable and like diametrically opposed agendas in some ways. 0:05:31.680 --> 0:05:33.560 And the fact that she, I think, has created a 0:05:33.640 --> 0:05:36.360 narrative that kind of lets everybody sit under that tent 0:05:36.560 --> 0:05:40.560 and remind everybody of the bigger stakes, I think has 0:05:40.560 --> 0:05:44.040 been a pretty incredible achievement. And so in that regard, 0:05:44.440 --> 0:05:47.520 I feel guardedly optimistic. That's my number one And I'll 0:05:47.560 --> 0:05:50.680 say that I say that in part because of kind 0:05:50.680 --> 0:05:53.880 of the energy right now, but also because I'm seeing 0:05:54.040 --> 0:05:57.640 on the ground that that kind of frame is letting 0:05:58.120 --> 0:06:01.520 different conversations happen. I mean, I'm in on campus today. 0:06:01.600 --> 0:06:04.440 We're doing a big event on guns and politics, and 0:06:04.480 --> 0:06:09.880 it's myself, a Jewish American in conversation with two pastors 0:06:09.880 --> 0:06:14.479 of local churches and a journalist, and it's hosted by 0:06:14.520 --> 0:06:18.400 the Divinity School here at Vanderbilt. So I feel like 0:06:18.440 --> 0:06:22.760 this big tent approach reminds us of why we're under 0:06:22.839 --> 0:06:25.679 the big tent, and so on one hand, I feel 0:06:25.760 --> 0:06:28.160 good like I'm actually you can see wearing a suit 0:06:28.200 --> 0:06:32.039 today because I'm doing this big event with divinity, and 0:06:32.120 --> 0:06:35.960 so I really appreciate that. That's part number one. Part 0:06:36.040 --> 0:06:39.720 number two is that my heart and soul have been 0:06:39.800 --> 0:06:43.160 broken numerous times living here in the South, where I 0:06:43.200 --> 0:06:45.360 thought the momentum was on our side, but it turned 0:06:45.400 --> 0:06:50.360 out the system was fixed. So in every local Senate 0:06:50.560 --> 0:06:53.840 election we've been running great candidates. We're doing it again 0:06:53.920 --> 0:06:58.960 right now, Democrats here. But because the Germander system, it 0:06:59.080 --> 0:07:01.400 just the system is not allow for the kind of 0:07:01.480 --> 0:07:03.520 change that I think a lot of people here want. 0:07:04.080 --> 0:07:07.000 And that's because there's a structural frame around it that 0:07:07.080 --> 0:07:10.800 makes it harder. So number two is I'm guardedly optimistic 0:07:10.880 --> 0:07:13.640 because I've seen here what it feels like to be 0:07:13.720 --> 0:07:17.240 voting in Ostensibly I don't want to just say rigged 0:07:17.280 --> 0:07:21.000 like some Banana Republic way, but jerrymandering here. 0:07:21.280 --> 0:07:24.960 That's the original rigging. That's the original stealing of elections 0:07:25.360 --> 0:07:26.320 is gerrymandering. 0:07:26.480 --> 0:07:29.720 Yeah, And so in that regard here there's so much 0:07:29.760 --> 0:07:33.760 democratic energy and I've also felt it after horrible mass 0:07:33.760 --> 0:07:36.960 shootings and so everybody's like, oh, change is coming, but 0:07:37.040 --> 0:07:40.520 it turned out that the outcome is just determined before 0:07:40.680 --> 0:07:43.920 the way that they've done. The jerymandering here is implicated 0:07:44.160 --> 0:07:46.640 in so many ways. So that's number two. And then 0:07:46.720 --> 0:07:49.400 number three is where are we going to go on 0:07:49.480 --> 0:07:50.920 vacation when this is all over? 0:07:51.400 --> 0:07:55.160 Honestly, I keep thinking about belize I'm gonna I'm actually 0:07:55.200 --> 0:07:57.000 going to be I'm actually going to tell the truth. 0:07:57.160 --> 0:07:59.960 Like yeah, thinking about I'm like, where's it kind of 0:08:00.080 --> 0:08:03.560 tree I haven't gone to, but like I just want 0:08:03.840 --> 0:08:05.600 to lay in the sun, I know. 0:08:05.760 --> 0:08:08.040 Man, Like, so I don't know you and need like 0:08:08.080 --> 0:08:11.520 you've been going NonStop. I've been doing at least three 0:08:11.560 --> 0:08:13.600 events in different cities every week. 0:08:13.760 --> 0:08:16.800 Yeah, yeah, thank you the road Yeah showed up. 0:08:17.120 --> 0:08:20.480 I was in Allentown, Pennsylvania last week. I was in 0:08:20.600 --> 0:08:24.680 I've been in Kansas, Missouri, Boston, you name it, doing 0:08:24.760 --> 0:08:27.440 just everything I possibly can to get out there. And 0:08:27.480 --> 0:08:30.400 so in that regard, you know, I just I love 0:08:30.800 --> 0:08:33.080 the energy that I felt out there, and I also 0:08:33.640 --> 0:08:36.680 just want to go to like a warm, sunny place 0:08:36.720 --> 0:08:38.560 with the Dave and Busters that I could just go 0:08:38.640 --> 0:08:41.280 lie in for a week or something like that. So 0:08:41.600 --> 0:08:43.640 we'll see. So I feel like, you know, this is 0:08:43.640 --> 0:08:46.600 what happens in elections, Like we're headed toward the finish line. 0:08:46.640 --> 0:08:50.040 But even this past Saturday, we did the Southern Book 0:08:50.080 --> 0:08:53.360 Festival here and I'll send you the thing like Justin 0:08:53.440 --> 0:08:56.120 Jones came and other people came. It was, it was. 0:08:56.280 --> 0:08:58.560 There's a lot of a lot of collaborative energy out. 0:08:58.480 --> 0:09:03.920 There that sounds amazing. And I think that what I 0:09:03.960 --> 0:09:07.920 always appreciate about you is that you are on the road. 0:09:08.080 --> 0:09:11.560 You are going out and speaking to Americans and seeing America. 0:09:11.600 --> 0:09:13.800 And I think that that's what I appreciate that you 0:09:13.840 --> 0:09:16.960 bring back to WOKF is that you know, I'm not 0:09:17.080 --> 0:09:19.520 out on the road. I talk to people all over 0:09:19.559 --> 0:09:22.720 the country, but I'm not seeing it unless i'm you know, 0:09:22.800 --> 0:09:26.160 in the moments that I am traveling to really connect 0:09:26.200 --> 0:09:28.160 with other people in real life. And I think that 0:09:28.160 --> 0:09:32.120 that is something that's really important to do, to have conversation. 0:09:32.679 --> 0:09:36.600 And I want to segue, speaking of conversation into what 0:09:36.760 --> 0:09:42.680 has now gone viral, which was a segment on Abby 0:09:42.720 --> 0:09:48.520 Phillips's show on CNN. She does these roundtable discussions with 0:09:48.640 --> 0:09:55.440 Trump's supporters with normal people and Mehdi Hassan and Trump 0:09:55.520 --> 0:10:01.720 supporter Ryan Gerdusky, I think is his name, Ryan Gridusky said, 0:10:02.800 --> 0:10:05.760 just I mean, I don't know why anybody is shocked 0:10:05.840 --> 0:10:08.000 that you bring a racist on and then they say 0:10:08.080 --> 0:10:10.440 racist things, and then everybody's like, I can't believe the 0:10:10.520 --> 0:10:13.880 racists opened up their mouth, Like it's like, what do 0:10:13.920 --> 0:10:18.000 you expect to happen when you engage people like these 0:10:18.080 --> 0:10:22.800 rabbit Trump supporters. But essentially, in an exchange, he insinuated 0:10:22.920 --> 0:10:27.640 that Mehdi was a terrorist for having announced his support 0:10:28.120 --> 0:10:32.520 for Palestinian people. The comment was crass, it was disgusting, 0:10:32.640 --> 0:10:35.720 it was racist. He was then removed from the show. 0:10:36.280 --> 0:10:39.400 Abby Phillips issued a statement. CNN issued a statement he 0:10:39.480 --> 0:10:42.240 will not be back on their airwaves. I want to 0:10:42.280 --> 0:10:45.680 get your reaction to, because you're a person who also 0:10:46.200 --> 0:10:50.720 believes in engaging in difficult conversations and having hard conversations. 0:10:51.240 --> 0:10:53.920 What did you make of what you saw in the 0:10:53.920 --> 0:10:56.959 clips that have now been seen by tens of millions 0:10:57.000 --> 0:10:57.400 of people. 0:10:57.840 --> 0:11:00.400 Well, let me first say that I think it's goes 0:11:00.440 --> 0:11:03.480 without saying that what was said was beyond inappropriate. It 0:11:03.520 --> 0:11:06.800 was unaerrable in a way, and so I think the 0:11:06.880 --> 0:11:09.959 idea that it wasn't just calling somebody terrists, it was 0:11:10.000 --> 0:11:14.480 actually a threat. And so in that regard, it was inexcusable, 0:11:14.520 --> 0:11:17.240 and I think CNN did the right thing by addressing it. 0:11:17.640 --> 0:11:20.120 You know, I'm not surprised in this moment that people 0:11:20.160 --> 0:11:23.000 are saying horrible stuff that shouldn't be news to anybody, 0:11:23.360 --> 0:11:25.440 but I thought that there was you know, a lesson 0:11:25.440 --> 0:11:28.520 in there, right. If you're posting a rally and somebody 0:11:28.559 --> 0:11:31.760 gets up and makes a joke about Puerto Rico, for example, 0:11:32.040 --> 0:11:35.360 that is horrifically offensive, you address it head on. You 0:11:35.360 --> 0:11:37.600 don't ignore it and go on with the rally. You say, hey, wait, 0:11:37.640 --> 0:11:39.280 I just want to say, this is not who we are. 0:11:39.920 --> 0:11:43.240 And so I thought, actually, CNN did a reasonably good 0:11:43.320 --> 0:11:46.280 job in a horrible situation of addressing it. And I 0:11:46.320 --> 0:11:49.440 would never I would. I just think it's inexcusable, and 0:11:49.480 --> 0:11:53.040 I think it's amazing the condemnation that's happened across the 0:11:53.040 --> 0:11:56.280 political spectrum. I mean, the ADL came out right away 0:11:56.320 --> 0:11:58.560 and said this was inexcusable, you know, So I think 0:11:58.559 --> 0:12:02.120 in that regard, you know, highlighted the stakes. So that's 0:12:02.200 --> 0:12:04.440 part of it. I mean, it's just there's no there's 0:12:04.440 --> 0:12:07.160 no excuse for it, except to say, think of all 0:12:07.200 --> 0:12:10.080 the racist crap that's on our airways right now, Like 0:12:10.160 --> 0:12:13.320 it's just how can you so I can say about that, 0:12:13.320 --> 0:12:15.120 because I mean we obviously were going to talk about 0:12:15.120 --> 0:12:18.080 the Trump rally also and things like that. And I 0:12:18.120 --> 0:12:21.199 think the bigger issue is, you know, this is kind 0:12:21.200 --> 0:12:23.959 of weird, right. I know a lot of Trump supporters, 0:12:24.000 --> 0:12:25.920 and in my life, I live in Tennessee. I know 0:12:26.120 --> 0:12:29.720 plenty of Trump supporters. I'm from Missouri, plenty of people 0:12:29.800 --> 0:12:31.440 I know or I mean, there's a lot of people 0:12:31.520 --> 0:12:34.520 voting for Trump. And I wouldn't say that every single 0:12:34.520 --> 0:12:38.280 person who's voting for Trump is a Nazi or you 0:12:38.320 --> 0:12:40.440 know whatever, even a horrible person. I mean, I have 0:12:40.480 --> 0:12:42.920 plenty of people I engage with and we just disagree 0:12:42.920 --> 0:12:46.400 about politics. But I think that these things, when they happen, 0:12:46.480 --> 0:12:49.960 it kind of reinforces the worst stereotype. I mean, in 0:12:50.000 --> 0:12:52.839 a way, if I was running the Trump campaign, I 0:12:52.840 --> 0:12:55.160 would be trying to run away from this thing. And 0:12:55.200 --> 0:12:57.560 so I think, in a way, the idea that this 0:12:57.600 --> 0:13:00.760 guy's going to come over and do fasht things and 0:13:00.800 --> 0:13:02.640 be a racist and then he gets up and says 0:13:02.760 --> 0:13:04.880 fascist things and is a racist and is supporter or 0:13:04.920 --> 0:13:06.120 saying things like this, So. 0:13:06.520 --> 0:13:09.000 You don't run away from who you are. And I 0:13:09.000 --> 0:13:13.000 think like that to me is like people love to 0:13:13.120 --> 0:13:16.040 think like, oh, well, if I were Donald Trump or 0:13:16.080 --> 0:13:17.960 if I were them, like I would denounce X. Well, 0:13:18.040 --> 0:13:19.600 you don't run away from who you are. And I 0:13:19.600 --> 0:13:22.320 think that that is something that is like actually one 0:13:22.400 --> 0:13:26.720 hundred percent Donald Trump where he actually stands for the 0:13:26.760 --> 0:13:29.840 only time in his truth is when he was directed 0:13:29.840 --> 0:13:33.760 to denounce white supremacy, spoon fed it here, here's a 0:13:33.800 --> 0:13:36.320 way to do it. And he's like, nah, I'm good. 0:13:36.840 --> 0:13:39.160 But let me just say that there's a conflation in that, 0:13:39.800 --> 0:13:42.600 which is I don't think every person who supports Donald 0:13:42.640 --> 0:13:44.640 Trump is a Nazi or a racist. 0:13:44.880 --> 0:13:47.280 That's where you and I disagree. Please go ahead. 0:13:47.640 --> 0:13:50.360 And you know, like I know plenty of people who 0:13:50.920 --> 0:13:54.160 they support Trump because of his views on the Second Amendment. 0:13:54.400 --> 0:13:56.640 And they're not convinced that Kamala Harris all of a 0:13:56.640 --> 0:13:59.240 sudden said I'm a gun under two weeks ago. They 0:13:59.280 --> 0:14:02.760 support Trump because of the role of government in their lives. 0:14:02.800 --> 0:14:04.800 That whatever. It's not like it's not like the odious 0:14:04.840 --> 0:14:07.679 stuff is invisible to them, But they have other they 0:14:07.720 --> 0:14:10.280 have other reasons. I just I don't find it personally 0:14:10.280 --> 0:14:14.920 helpful for my life or my work to cast ninety whatever. 0:14:15.280 --> 0:14:17.920 How many million people support Trump, like hundreds of millions 0:14:17.960 --> 0:14:20.680 of people. I don't think every single one is a Nazi. 0:14:20.720 --> 0:14:23.200 I think that there are different reasons and so, but 0:14:23.240 --> 0:14:26.520 the thing is, you're right, Trump can't help himself, and 0:14:26.600 --> 0:14:29.320 so in a way, if this election is something that's 0:14:29.400 --> 0:14:33.720 for you know, they're centrist voters, undecided voters, people in 0:14:33.760 --> 0:14:38.040 these purple states, and I think if the appeal is 0:14:38.080 --> 0:14:41.760 to reach those voters, going on and amplifying the worst 0:14:41.760 --> 0:14:44.400 parts of your campaign is probably the worst possible way 0:14:44.440 --> 0:14:47.600 to do it. It speaks to arrogance and hubris and 0:14:47.680 --> 0:14:50.960 just a lack of political strategy. And so just for me, 0:14:51.000 --> 0:14:53.320 it's kind of like, why are they doing it? You know, 0:14:53.360 --> 0:14:56.120 it's the week before the election. Not many things are 0:14:56.120 --> 0:14:59.920 going to move the needle. Making a horrible joke about 0:15:00.040 --> 0:15:03.640 Puerto Ricans, or calling Muslim Americans who might be on 0:15:03.680 --> 0:15:05.720 the fence of Foo to vote for terrorists and saying 0:15:05.720 --> 0:15:08.760 you're going to explode them with a beeper is something 0:15:08.760 --> 0:15:10.760 that will move the needle at this last moment. And 0:15:10.800 --> 0:15:16.120 so for me it's just morally horrible, but also strategically indepensible. 0:15:16.880 --> 0:15:19.280 I mean, here's the thing. I'm going to say a 0:15:19.320 --> 0:15:22.600 couple of things to the points that you made. There 0:15:22.680 --> 0:15:28.480 is no way, nine years later, that someone can express 0:15:28.520 --> 0:15:32.560 to me that I'm not a racist, but I support 0:15:32.560 --> 0:15:35.760 Donald Trump. That I'm not a misogynist, but I support 0:15:35.800 --> 0:15:40.000 Donald Trump. That I am not an islamophobe or a transphobe, 0:15:40.080 --> 0:15:43.120 or a homophobe or an able list, but I support 0:15:43.120 --> 0:15:46.200 Donald Trump. There is no way that you can point 0:15:46.240 --> 0:15:49.760 to me after nine years of listening to this man, 0:15:50.000 --> 0:15:54.280 after nine years of rallies, of rhetoric, of conferences, of 0:15:54.800 --> 0:15:57.880 interviews where Donald Trump and all of his supporters have 0:15:58.040 --> 0:16:02.160 unabashedly said that they are racist, that they support racism, 0:16:02.320 --> 0:16:05.120 that they support white supremacists, that instead of playing our 0:16:05.200 --> 0:16:08.640 national anthem, that you play the anthem of insurrectionists, that 0:16:08.720 --> 0:16:12.240 you praise people like Robert E. Lee, that you talk 0:16:12.280 --> 0:16:14.880 about the fact that Hitler has done some good things, 0:16:15.040 --> 0:16:17.920 and that people all of a sudden can say like, oh, 0:16:18.040 --> 0:16:20.680 you know, I'll put on my gas mask because I 0:16:20.680 --> 0:16:23.040 don't want the odor to get to me. But there 0:16:23.040 --> 0:16:26.000 are some good things in this steaming pile of hot 0:16:26.040 --> 0:16:28.720 shit that I can find, Like it just is not, 0:16:29.120 --> 0:16:31.720 and I think that for far too long we've done 0:16:31.800 --> 0:16:34.760 too much part in parceling to try and find what 0:16:34.880 --> 0:16:37.600 is left that is good inside of this party that 0:16:37.680 --> 0:16:39.760 has told us time and time again that there is 0:16:39.840 --> 0:16:42.520 nothing left that is good here. When you can go 0:16:42.840 --> 0:16:45.880 and host a Nazi rally in the middle of New 0:16:45.960 --> 0:16:48.680 York City, to do so as a show of strength 0:16:48.760 --> 0:16:52.120 and force and terrorism, to show that you can be 0:16:52.320 --> 0:16:55.680 anywhere and do anything, because that's what that was. It 0:16:55.760 --> 0:16:59.520 goes back to when they would lynch black people and 0:16:59.600 --> 0:17:02.680 leave the bodies hanging from trees as a warning to 0:17:02.800 --> 0:17:06.000 other black people that were around not to cross a line. 0:17:06.119 --> 0:17:09.399 That is what they are doing. So this form of 0:17:09.560 --> 0:17:13.119 hubris and ego and intimidation is to say, we don't 0:17:13.119 --> 0:17:17.040 give a fuck. There are no lines anymore, right, there 0:17:17.080 --> 0:17:19.560 are no lines that shoot or should not be crossed 0:17:19.560 --> 0:17:22.320 to me, CNN cross that line when you decided to 0:17:22.440 --> 0:17:25.919 open up your airwaves to people to lie to the 0:17:25.960 --> 0:17:28.800 American people, and you think that that was like offering 0:17:28.840 --> 0:17:32.879 both sides. So I feel like at this point it 0:17:32.960 --> 0:17:37.160 is disingenuous for us to even comment on and think 0:17:37.200 --> 0:17:39.639 that there are people that are left that are Trump's 0:17:39.640 --> 0:17:43.520 supporters that do not harbor the same sentiments. They may 0:17:43.560 --> 0:17:47.760 not speak on them with the same vitriol that Donald 0:17:47.840 --> 0:17:51.840 Trump and his most advanced supporters do, but they are 0:17:51.920 --> 0:17:55.120 there holding the flags and standing at the rallies and 0:17:55.160 --> 0:17:58.040 going to punch a ballot that says I want more 0:17:58.080 --> 0:17:58.440 of this. 0:17:58.840 --> 0:18:02.720 So that is not accept No, I'm not in any 0:18:02.720 --> 0:18:05.520 way saying that it's acceptable, and I'm also not saying 0:18:05.560 --> 0:18:08.680 that people are. I guess what I am saying is this, 0:18:08.880 --> 0:18:11.679 if I distill a doubt having done a lot of 0:18:11.720 --> 0:18:14.520 research and spent a lot of time in a lot 0:18:14.520 --> 0:18:20.879 of communities across America where racism and ableism and homophobia 0:18:21.119 --> 0:18:24.000 are not the main registers. I mean, if you're in 0:18:24.040 --> 0:18:26.720 like an all white part of southern Missouri, or you're 0:18:26.760 --> 0:18:28.760 living in an all white part of Tessee or Kentucky, 0:18:29.520 --> 0:18:33.359 racism just isn't your framework, right, It's not your framework. 0:18:33.440 --> 0:18:37.960 And so the moral umbrage of somebody saying racist stuff, 0:18:38.359 --> 0:18:40.080 You're going to reach some people who say this is 0:18:40.119 --> 0:18:43.639 morally unacceptable. But for other people, their daily lives, the 0:18:43.760 --> 0:18:48.439 register of their daily lives is government interference in their lives. 0:18:48.520 --> 0:18:51.320 And the plant closing and competition from China and all 0:18:51.320 --> 0:18:54.360 these kind of things, And so I just don't agree 0:18:54.440 --> 0:18:57.440 that every person who's drawn to Trump is drawn because 0:18:57.480 --> 0:18:59.520 of the racism. I also think that there are plenty 0:18:59.520 --> 0:19:02.800 of people for whom racism just is not really a category, 0:19:02.920 --> 0:19:07.280 and so part of the story is And again I 0:19:07.320 --> 0:19:09.560 started by saying, I think that Harris and Wolves are 0:19:09.600 --> 0:19:13.280 doing a great job of reaching out to people about economics, 0:19:13.359 --> 0:19:16.200 even in a slight way, about guns, about other things 0:19:16.200 --> 0:19:18.560 that people vote for, because I think those are the 0:19:18.600 --> 0:19:21.639 people who are potentially willing to listen. But I don't 0:19:21.640 --> 0:19:26.640 agree that every single person who supports the GOP does 0:19:26.680 --> 0:19:29.960 so because they resonate with the racism, and and I'm 0:19:30.000 --> 0:19:32.960 hoping there are plenty of people who are repulsed by 0:19:33.040 --> 0:19:36.879 all of this. But again, I also think at a 0:19:36.920 --> 0:19:39.560 strategy level, we're a week before the election, there are 0:19:39.640 --> 0:19:42.240 very few things that will move the needle, and that 0:19:42.480 --> 0:19:46.520 if Trump loses, that Madison Square Garden rally is going 0:19:46.560 --> 0:19:50.240 to go down in the annals of political history as 0:19:50.480 --> 0:19:52.600 one of the biggest screw ups. Ever, I hope that's 0:19:52.640 --> 0:19:53.040 the case. 0:19:56.160 --> 0:19:58.600 I hope that it is the case as well, because 0:19:58.600 --> 0:20:01.479 I think that the things that were said from that 0:20:01.640 --> 0:20:06.800 stage were not jokes. They were statements. They were feelings 0:20:07.280 --> 0:20:13.320 that were given an enormous platform, from Rudy Giuliani to 0:20:14.160 --> 0:20:17.440 the podcaster to the guy who said, oh, I never 0:20:17.480 --> 0:20:19.640 thought I'd be at a Nazi rally, but like here 0:20:19.680 --> 0:20:22.639 I am. You know, these people know what they're doing, 0:20:22.680 --> 0:20:26.120 they know what they're saying. Stephen Miller America. For Americans, 0:20:26.920 --> 0:20:32.440 the hoods are off, the nuances and the euphemisms are gone. 0:20:33.160 --> 0:20:36.440 They're saying what they're saying because they believe that they 0:20:36.480 --> 0:20:39.080 have the power and that they will win. Right Like, 0:20:39.160 --> 0:20:42.720 you don't pull moves like what they've done over the 0:20:42.760 --> 0:20:45.680 last couple of days unless you think that you're going 0:20:45.760 --> 0:20:50.359 to win, Because normal people would be trying to grow 0:20:50.480 --> 0:20:54.480 the electorate and bring people in, and instead they've said 0:20:54.800 --> 0:20:58.880 fuck it. Our closing argument is racism, misogyny, and we're 0:20:58.880 --> 0:21:00.600 doubling and tripling down. 0:21:00.920 --> 0:21:03.560 And as we said last week in either people were 0:21:03.640 --> 0:21:05.919 laughing about cognitive decline, which I don't buy for a 0:21:05.960 --> 0:21:08.800 second about Trump. I mean, it's irrelevant, but there was 0:21:08.840 --> 0:21:10.119 something terrifying for me. 0:21:10.600 --> 0:21:13.280 Really, you don't think there's any deterioration that's there. 0:21:13.680 --> 0:21:16.720 I mean, it doesn't matter. I think we denature the 0:21:16.800 --> 0:21:19.760 content when we call it some kind of a mental illness, 0:21:19.800 --> 0:21:21.600 you know, or something like that. So whether or not 0:21:21.640 --> 0:21:24.160 that's true, I really don't care, But I would say 0:21:24.160 --> 0:21:26.320 that for me, there was something terrifying about a guy 0:21:26.320 --> 0:21:29.879 who spent a whole press conference just rocking out to 0:21:30.040 --> 0:21:31.480 like Haul and Oates. 0:21:31.240 --> 0:21:33.919 Or whatever for thirty nine minutes, yeah. 0:21:33.720 --> 0:21:35.840 And all the other crazy stuff, and it made me 0:21:35.920 --> 0:21:40.200 feel like, there's something about this that is not there's 0:21:40.200 --> 0:21:43.320 something structurally amiss. I've seen that kind of behavior here 0:21:43.359 --> 0:21:46.720 in Tennessee when people don't. I mean, we've got a 0:21:46.760 --> 0:21:50.040 guy running for Congress here who just openly left his 0:21:50.080 --> 0:21:52.320 wife and ran off with somebody else, and he's like 0:21:52.359 --> 0:21:54.960 the morality candidate he's running against, like this really good 0:21:54.960 --> 0:21:58.639 candidate here. But there was another candidate here who was 0:21:58.680 --> 0:22:03.200 a physician who got caught having relations with his patients. 0:22:03.359 --> 0:22:05.800 It didn't matter because the fix was already in in 0:22:05.920 --> 0:22:08.560 terms of jeremandering. And so when I see Trump acting 0:22:08.600 --> 0:22:10.960 like that, I'm just like, what what does he know? 0:22:11.680 --> 0:22:13.480 So partially it's maybe the fix is in, but the 0:22:13.520 --> 0:22:16.439 other part is, as we know from Trump, a loss 0:22:16.480 --> 0:22:20.600 can also be incredibly generative. Also, and so maybe they're 0:22:20.640 --> 0:22:23.120 setting the stage for stuff that happens either So it's 0:22:23.600 --> 0:22:24.639 to me scary either way. 0:22:24.960 --> 0:22:29.240 It's scary either way. And I think AOC Alexandrio Cassio 0:22:29.320 --> 0:22:33.480 Cortez said it really well yesterday where she said that 0:22:33.760 --> 0:22:37.199 the display at Madison Square Garden was really to prime 0:22:37.280 --> 0:22:40.440 his audience for violence. Yeah, to prime and pump them 0:22:40.440 --> 0:22:44.480 for violence in the way that his tweets and messages 0:22:44.640 --> 0:22:47.119 did in twenty twenty, and to do so in a 0:22:47.760 --> 0:22:48.359 bigger way. 0:22:48.560 --> 0:22:51.440 And let's not also forget that he also tried to 0:22:51.520 --> 0:22:56.399 JFK Junior out there, RFK Junior out there. Sorry, who's 0:22:56.440 --> 0:23:00.560 going to destroy the public health system and medications, vaccines 0:23:00.600 --> 0:23:03.879 and public health? So every person was like a wrecking 0:23:03.920 --> 0:23:06.200 ball to something, you know. 0:23:07.280 --> 0:23:09.560 All right, my friend, Well we will leave it there, 0:23:09.840 --> 0:23:15.040 and the next time help we speak, it will actually 0:23:15.080 --> 0:23:16.560 be election day. 0:23:17.080 --> 0:23:20.359 Well let's invoke Casey casem one last time here, you know, 0:23:20.520 --> 0:23:23.120 tell everybody to keep your feet on the ground and 0:23:23.280 --> 0:23:27.680 keep reaching for the stars. You know, So that's this 0:23:27.720 --> 0:23:29.840