1 00:00:11,760 --> 00:00:14,720 Speaker 1: Good morning, peeps, and welcome to wok F Daily with 2 00:00:14,800 --> 00:00:20,120 Speaker 1: me your Girl, Daniel Moody, recording from the home Bunker. Folks, 3 00:00:21,239 --> 00:00:27,319 Speaker 1: the countdown clocks have hit zero, and today is the 4 00:00:27,440 --> 00:00:30,880 Speaker 1: final day to vote. It is election Day. It is 5 00:00:30,920 --> 00:00:36,159 Speaker 1: a day that we here at WOKA ASKS have been 6 00:00:36,200 --> 00:00:41,720 Speaker 1: talking about for what feels like a millennia. I am filled, 7 00:00:42,320 --> 00:00:44,559 Speaker 1: and I'm going to try and make it through this 8 00:00:44,640 --> 00:00:49,080 Speaker 1: episode without bursting into tears. I, like many of you, 9 00:00:49,520 --> 00:00:55,400 Speaker 1: are filled with a lot of anxiety and stress and 10 00:00:55,480 --> 00:01:02,800 Speaker 1: fear about what comes next. And I just want us 11 00:01:02,880 --> 00:01:08,280 Speaker 1: to know that the work that people have put in 12 00:01:08,959 --> 00:01:13,400 Speaker 1: the door knockers, the texters, the folks that have donated, 13 00:01:13,560 --> 00:01:17,640 Speaker 1: the folks that have been on air, the folks that 14 00:01:17,800 --> 00:01:22,840 Speaker 1: have been sharing on their pages trying to wake people 15 00:01:23,000 --> 00:01:28,520 Speaker 1: up to the existential threat that is Donald Trump and Maga, 16 00:01:28,800 --> 00:01:33,240 Speaker 1: your work has been seen, it has been felt. The 17 00:01:33,360 --> 00:01:36,880 Speaker 1: energy that you all have been providing me over the 18 00:01:36,920 --> 00:01:43,440 Speaker 1: course of this election cycle, I truly cannot thank you enough. 19 00:01:44,760 --> 00:01:52,200 Speaker 1: We've been living in extraordinary times and the last several 20 00:01:52,320 --> 00:01:55,960 Speaker 1: years have been so much. You know, there's been like 21 00:01:56,000 --> 00:02:01,360 Speaker 1: this joke going around that the human was not built 22 00:02:01,520 --> 00:02:08,160 Speaker 1: to deal with and handle three Trump elections in nine years, 23 00:02:09,200 --> 00:02:14,359 Speaker 1: and I can't agree with that statement enough. I don't know, friends, 24 00:02:15,200 --> 00:02:20,000 Speaker 1: It's been a lot. It's been a lot, and we 25 00:02:20,200 --> 00:02:24,480 Speaker 1: have to hold on to the fact that regardless of 26 00:02:24,520 --> 00:02:28,239 Speaker 1: the outcome, there is going to be so much work 27 00:02:28,360 --> 00:02:33,280 Speaker 1: to do, because what I hope that people take away 28 00:02:34,280 --> 00:02:38,960 Speaker 1: from the last several years is that democracy is not 29 00:02:39,480 --> 00:02:47,720 Speaker 1: a passive sport. Democracy requires our vigilance, our consistency, our attention, 30 00:02:48,080 --> 00:02:52,359 Speaker 1: our engagement on a regular basis, not just every four 31 00:02:52,440 --> 00:02:55,520 Speaker 1: years and not just every two years, but every year, 32 00:02:55,760 --> 00:03:02,040 Speaker 1: every day. And I hope you know that America makes 33 00:03:02,400 --> 00:03:07,880 Speaker 1: the right choice and chooses freedom chooses equity chooses, justice 34 00:03:08,040 --> 00:03:11,520 Speaker 1: chooses bodily autonomy. I don't know when we will know, 35 00:03:12,520 --> 00:03:15,600 Speaker 1: but I know that I will be here with all 36 00:03:15,639 --> 00:03:20,160 Speaker 1: of you finding our way through the end of dismayze. 37 00:03:21,120 --> 00:03:26,360 Speaker 1: I encourage all of you to subscribe over on YouTube 38 00:03:26,440 --> 00:03:29,400 Speaker 1: to the Danielle Moody channel. I will be going live 39 00:03:30,360 --> 00:03:35,920 Speaker 1: tonight for my normal five pm Eastern Danielle Moody Show. 40 00:03:36,640 --> 00:03:40,800 Speaker 1: I will also be live on Mary Trump Media off 41 00:03:40,840 --> 00:03:44,160 Speaker 1: and on throughout the night. I will also be live 42 00:03:44,840 --> 00:03:49,720 Speaker 1: with Mehdi Hassan at some point. So I encourage you 43 00:03:50,720 --> 00:03:54,960 Speaker 1: go over to YouTube follow subscribe because that is where 44 00:03:54,960 --> 00:03:58,600 Speaker 1: I'll be and if you want to be kept in 45 00:03:58,680 --> 00:04:01,640 Speaker 1: the loop on up to time the minute news, please 46 00:04:01,720 --> 00:04:07,280 Speaker 1: do find me there. Coming up next a conversation that 47 00:04:07,400 --> 00:04:11,880 Speaker 1: I had with our friend, doctor Jonathan Metzel about the 48 00:04:11,920 --> 00:04:15,800 Speaker 1: stakes of this election, about the importance of this moment 49 00:04:16,640 --> 00:04:20,520 Speaker 1: and where we go next. That conversation is coming to 50 00:04:20,560 --> 00:04:25,839 Speaker 1: you next. Friends, you know that whenever we have the 51 00:04:25,839 --> 00:04:29,400 Speaker 1: opportunity to sit down with our in house doctor, doctor 52 00:04:29,480 --> 00:04:34,200 Speaker 1: Jonathan Metzel, we are always thrilled and honored. Jonathan, we 53 00:04:34,240 --> 00:04:38,680 Speaker 1: are speaking to you with one week, one week until 54 00:04:38,839 --> 00:04:41,640 Speaker 1: the last day to vote. I feel like you and 55 00:04:41,720 --> 00:04:45,919 Speaker 1: I have been doing a countdown for a millennia at 56 00:04:46,000 --> 00:04:46,599 Speaker 1: this point. 57 00:04:46,760 --> 00:04:48,000 Speaker 2: We've been doing this for a long time. 58 00:04:48,120 --> 00:04:51,240 Speaker 1: We've been doing this for a long time. So before 59 00:04:51,279 --> 00:04:54,479 Speaker 1: we dive in to our topics today, how are you 60 00:04:54,560 --> 00:05:01,120 Speaker 1: feeling with one week until the final day to vote? 61 00:05:01,560 --> 00:05:03,640 Speaker 2: I'm of three minds, I will put oh. 62 00:05:03,600 --> 00:05:06,599 Speaker 1: Three, you're not of two? Damn three? Okay? 63 00:05:07,040 --> 00:05:08,279 Speaker 2: I am try minded. 64 00:05:08,560 --> 00:05:10,200 Speaker 1: Okay. 65 00:05:10,279 --> 00:05:13,320 Speaker 2: You know. On one hand, I think Harris is running 66 00:05:13,320 --> 00:05:17,640 Speaker 2: an excellent campaign. There are just so many divergent coalitions 67 00:05:17,640 --> 00:05:21,680 Speaker 2: and interests under the framework of the Democratic Party. The 68 00:05:21,880 --> 00:05:25,279 Speaker 2: Democratic Party, I think, in other hands, would feel almost 69 00:05:25,520 --> 00:05:31,240 Speaker 2: unmanageable or ungovernable and like diametrically opposed agendas in some ways. 70 00:05:31,680 --> 00:05:33,560 Speaker 2: And the fact that she, I think, has created a 71 00:05:33,640 --> 00:05:36,360 Speaker 2: narrative that kind of lets everybody sit under that tent 72 00:05:36,560 --> 00:05:40,560 Speaker 2: and remind everybody of the bigger stakes, I think has 73 00:05:40,560 --> 00:05:44,040 Speaker 2: been a pretty incredible achievement. And so in that regard, 74 00:05:44,440 --> 00:05:47,520 Speaker 2: I feel guardedly optimistic. That's my number one And I'll 75 00:05:47,560 --> 00:05:50,680 Speaker 2: say that I say that in part because of kind 76 00:05:50,680 --> 00:05:53,880 Speaker 2: of the energy right now, but also because I'm seeing 77 00:05:54,040 --> 00:05:57,640 Speaker 2: on the ground that that kind of frame is letting 78 00:05:58,120 --> 00:06:01,520 Speaker 2: different conversations happen. I mean, I'm in on campus today. 79 00:06:01,600 --> 00:06:04,440 Speaker 2: We're doing a big event on guns and politics, and 80 00:06:04,480 --> 00:06:09,880 Speaker 2: it's myself, a Jewish American in conversation with two pastors 81 00:06:09,880 --> 00:06:14,479 Speaker 2: of local churches and a journalist, and it's hosted by 82 00:06:14,520 --> 00:06:18,400 Speaker 2: the Divinity School here at Vanderbilt. So I feel like 83 00:06:18,440 --> 00:06:22,760 Speaker 2: this big tent approach reminds us of why we're under 84 00:06:22,839 --> 00:06:25,679 Speaker 2: the big tent, and so on one hand, I feel 85 00:06:25,760 --> 00:06:28,160 Speaker 2: good like I'm actually you can see wearing a suit 86 00:06:28,200 --> 00:06:32,039 Speaker 2: today because I'm doing this big event with divinity, and 87 00:06:32,120 --> 00:06:35,960 Speaker 2: so I really appreciate that. That's part number one. Part 88 00:06:36,040 --> 00:06:39,720 Speaker 2: number two is that my heart and soul have been 89 00:06:39,800 --> 00:06:43,160 Speaker 2: broken numerous times living here in the South, where I 90 00:06:43,200 --> 00:06:45,360 Speaker 2: thought the momentum was on our side, but it turned 91 00:06:45,400 --> 00:06:50,360 Speaker 2: out the system was fixed. So in every local Senate 92 00:06:50,560 --> 00:06:53,840 Speaker 2: election we've been running great candidates. We're doing it again 93 00:06:53,920 --> 00:06:58,960 Speaker 2: right now, Democrats here. But because the Germander system, it 94 00:06:59,080 --> 00:07:01,400 Speaker 2: just the system is not allow for the kind of 95 00:07:01,480 --> 00:07:03,520 Speaker 2: change that I think a lot of people here want. 96 00:07:04,080 --> 00:07:07,000 Speaker 2: And that's because there's a structural frame around it that 97 00:07:07,080 --> 00:07:10,800 Speaker 2: makes it harder. So number two is I'm guardedly optimistic 98 00:07:10,880 --> 00:07:13,640 Speaker 2: because I've seen here what it feels like to be 99 00:07:13,720 --> 00:07:17,240 Speaker 2: voting in Ostensibly I don't want to just say rigged 100 00:07:17,280 --> 00:07:21,000 Speaker 2: like some Banana Republic way, but jerrymandering here. 101 00:07:21,280 --> 00:07:24,960 Speaker 1: That's the original rigging. That's the original stealing of elections 102 00:07:25,360 --> 00:07:26,320 Speaker 1: is gerrymandering. 103 00:07:26,480 --> 00:07:29,720 Speaker 2: Yeah, And so in that regard here there's so much 104 00:07:29,760 --> 00:07:33,760 Speaker 2: democratic energy and I've also felt it after horrible mass 105 00:07:33,760 --> 00:07:36,960 Speaker 2: shootings and so everybody's like, oh, change is coming, but 106 00:07:37,040 --> 00:07:40,520 Speaker 2: it turned out that the outcome is just determined before 107 00:07:40,680 --> 00:07:43,920 Speaker 2: the way that they've done. The jerymandering here is implicated 108 00:07:44,160 --> 00:07:46,640 Speaker 2: in so many ways. So that's number two. And then 109 00:07:46,720 --> 00:07:49,400 Speaker 2: number three is where are we going to go on 110 00:07:49,480 --> 00:07:50,920 Speaker 2: vacation when this is all over? 111 00:07:51,400 --> 00:07:55,160 Speaker 1: Honestly, I keep thinking about belize I'm gonna I'm actually 112 00:07:55,200 --> 00:07:57,000 Speaker 1: going to be I'm actually going to tell the truth. 113 00:07:57,160 --> 00:07:59,960 Speaker 1: Like yeah, thinking about I'm like, where's it kind of 114 00:08:00,080 --> 00:08:03,560 Speaker 1: tree I haven't gone to, but like I just want 115 00:08:03,840 --> 00:08:05,600 Speaker 1: to lay in the sun, I know. 116 00:08:05,760 --> 00:08:08,040 Speaker 2: Man, Like, so I don't know you and need like 117 00:08:08,080 --> 00:08:11,520 Speaker 2: you've been going NonStop. I've been doing at least three 118 00:08:11,560 --> 00:08:13,600 Speaker 2: events in different cities every week. 119 00:08:13,760 --> 00:08:16,800 Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, thank you the road Yeah showed up. 120 00:08:17,120 --> 00:08:20,480 Speaker 2: I was in Allentown, Pennsylvania last week. I was in 121 00:08:20,600 --> 00:08:24,680 Speaker 2: I've been in Kansas, Missouri, Boston, you name it, doing 122 00:08:24,760 --> 00:08:27,440 Speaker 2: just everything I possibly can to get out there. And 123 00:08:27,480 --> 00:08:30,400 Speaker 2: so in that regard, you know, I just I love 124 00:08:30,800 --> 00:08:33,080 Speaker 2: the energy that I felt out there, and I also 125 00:08:33,640 --> 00:08:36,680 Speaker 2: just want to go to like a warm, sunny place 126 00:08:36,720 --> 00:08:38,560 Speaker 2: with the Dave and Busters that I could just go 127 00:08:38,640 --> 00:08:41,280 Speaker 2: lie in for a week or something like that. So 128 00:08:41,600 --> 00:08:43,640 Speaker 2: we'll see. So I feel like, you know, this is 129 00:08:43,640 --> 00:08:46,600 Speaker 2: what happens in elections, Like we're headed toward the finish line. 130 00:08:46,640 --> 00:08:50,040 Speaker 2: But even this past Saturday, we did the Southern Book 131 00:08:50,080 --> 00:08:53,360 Speaker 2: Festival here and I'll send you the thing like Justin 132 00:08:53,440 --> 00:08:56,120 Speaker 2: Jones came and other people came. It was, it was. 133 00:08:56,280 --> 00:08:58,560 Speaker 2: There's a lot of a lot of collaborative energy out. 134 00:08:58,480 --> 00:09:03,920 Speaker 1: There that sounds amazing. And I think that what I 135 00:09:03,960 --> 00:09:07,920 Speaker 1: always appreciate about you is that you are on the road. 136 00:09:08,080 --> 00:09:11,560 Speaker 1: You are going out and speaking to Americans and seeing America. 137 00:09:11,600 --> 00:09:13,800 Speaker 1: And I think that that's what I appreciate that you 138 00:09:13,840 --> 00:09:16,960 Speaker 1: bring back to WOKF is that you know, I'm not 139 00:09:17,080 --> 00:09:19,520 Speaker 1: out on the road. I talk to people all over 140 00:09:19,559 --> 00:09:22,720 Speaker 1: the country, but I'm not seeing it unless i'm you know, 141 00:09:22,800 --> 00:09:26,160 Speaker 1: in the moments that I am traveling to really connect 142 00:09:26,200 --> 00:09:28,160 Speaker 1: with other people in real life. And I think that 143 00:09:28,160 --> 00:09:32,120 Speaker 1: that is something that's really important to do, to have conversation. 144 00:09:32,679 --> 00:09:36,600 Speaker 1: And I want to segue, speaking of conversation into what 145 00:09:36,760 --> 00:09:42,680 Speaker 1: has now gone viral, which was a segment on Abby 146 00:09:42,720 --> 00:09:48,520 Speaker 1: Phillips's show on CNN. She does these roundtable discussions with 147 00:09:48,640 --> 00:09:55,440 Speaker 1: Trump's supporters with normal people and Mehdi Hassan and Trump 148 00:09:55,520 --> 00:10:01,720 Speaker 1: supporter Ryan Gerdusky, I think is his name, Ryan Gridusky said, 149 00:10:02,800 --> 00:10:05,760 Speaker 1: just I mean, I don't know why anybody is shocked 150 00:10:05,840 --> 00:10:08,000 Speaker 1: that you bring a racist on and then they say 151 00:10:08,080 --> 00:10:10,440 Speaker 1: racist things, and then everybody's like, I can't believe the 152 00:10:10,520 --> 00:10:13,880 Speaker 1: racists opened up their mouth, Like it's like, what do 153 00:10:13,920 --> 00:10:18,000 Speaker 1: you expect to happen when you engage people like these 154 00:10:18,080 --> 00:10:22,800 Speaker 1: rabbit Trump supporters. But essentially, in an exchange, he insinuated 155 00:10:22,920 --> 00:10:27,640 Speaker 1: that Mehdi was a terrorist for having announced his support 156 00:10:28,120 --> 00:10:32,520 Speaker 1: for Palestinian people. The comment was crass, it was disgusting, 157 00:10:32,640 --> 00:10:35,720 Speaker 1: it was racist. He was then removed from the show. 158 00:10:36,280 --> 00:10:39,400 Speaker 1: Abby Phillips issued a statement. CNN issued a statement he 159 00:10:39,480 --> 00:10:42,240 Speaker 1: will not be back on their airwaves. I want to 160 00:10:42,280 --> 00:10:45,680 Speaker 1: get your reaction to, because you're a person who also 161 00:10:46,200 --> 00:10:50,720 Speaker 1: believes in engaging in difficult conversations and having hard conversations. 162 00:10:51,240 --> 00:10:53,920 Speaker 1: What did you make of what you saw in the 163 00:10:53,920 --> 00:10:56,959 Speaker 1: clips that have now been seen by tens of millions 164 00:10:57,000 --> 00:10:57,400 Speaker 1: of people. 165 00:10:57,840 --> 00:11:00,400 Speaker 2: Well, let me first say that I think it's goes 166 00:11:00,440 --> 00:11:03,480 Speaker 2: without saying that what was said was beyond inappropriate. It 167 00:11:03,520 --> 00:11:06,800 Speaker 2: was unaerrable in a way, and so I think the 168 00:11:06,880 --> 00:11:09,959 Speaker 2: idea that it wasn't just calling somebody terrists, it was 169 00:11:10,000 --> 00:11:14,480 Speaker 2: actually a threat. And so in that regard, it was inexcusable, 170 00:11:14,520 --> 00:11:17,240 Speaker 2: and I think CNN did the right thing by addressing it. 171 00:11:17,640 --> 00:11:20,120 Speaker 2: You know, I'm not surprised in this moment that people 172 00:11:20,160 --> 00:11:23,000 Speaker 2: are saying horrible stuff that shouldn't be news to anybody, 173 00:11:23,360 --> 00:11:25,440 Speaker 2: but I thought that there was you know, a lesson 174 00:11:25,440 --> 00:11:28,520 Speaker 2: in there, right. If you're posting a rally and somebody 175 00:11:28,559 --> 00:11:31,760 Speaker 2: gets up and makes a joke about Puerto Rico, for example, 176 00:11:32,040 --> 00:11:35,360 Speaker 2: that is horrifically offensive, you address it head on. You 177 00:11:35,360 --> 00:11:37,600 Speaker 2: don't ignore it and go on with the rally. You say, hey, wait, 178 00:11:37,640 --> 00:11:39,280 Speaker 2: I just want to say, this is not who we are. 179 00:11:39,920 --> 00:11:43,240 Speaker 2: And so I thought, actually, CNN did a reasonably good 180 00:11:43,320 --> 00:11:46,280 Speaker 2: job in a horrible situation of addressing it. And I 181 00:11:46,320 --> 00:11:49,440 Speaker 2: would never I would. I just think it's inexcusable, and 182 00:11:49,480 --> 00:11:53,040 Speaker 2: I think it's amazing the condemnation that's happened across the 183 00:11:53,040 --> 00:11:56,280 Speaker 2: political spectrum. I mean, the ADL came out right away 184 00:11:56,320 --> 00:11:58,560 Speaker 2: and said this was inexcusable, you know, So I think 185 00:11:58,559 --> 00:12:02,120 Speaker 2: in that regard, you know, highlighted the stakes. So that's 186 00:12:02,200 --> 00:12:04,440 Speaker 2: part of it. I mean, it's just there's no there's 187 00:12:04,440 --> 00:12:07,160 Speaker 2: no excuse for it, except to say, think of all 188 00:12:07,200 --> 00:12:10,080 Speaker 2: the racist crap that's on our airways right now, Like 189 00:12:10,160 --> 00:12:13,320 Speaker 2: it's just how can you so I can say about that, 190 00:12:13,320 --> 00:12:15,120 Speaker 2: because I mean we obviously were going to talk about 191 00:12:15,120 --> 00:12:18,080 Speaker 2: the Trump rally also and things like that. And I 192 00:12:18,120 --> 00:12:21,199 Speaker 2: think the bigger issue is, you know, this is kind 193 00:12:21,200 --> 00:12:23,959 Speaker 2: of weird, right. I know a lot of Trump supporters, 194 00:12:24,000 --> 00:12:25,920 Speaker 2: and in my life, I live in Tennessee. I know 195 00:12:26,120 --> 00:12:29,720 Speaker 2: plenty of Trump supporters. I'm from Missouri, plenty of people 196 00:12:29,800 --> 00:12:31,440 Speaker 2: I know or I mean, there's a lot of people 197 00:12:31,520 --> 00:12:34,520 Speaker 2: voting for Trump. And I wouldn't say that every single 198 00:12:34,520 --> 00:12:38,280 Speaker 2: person who's voting for Trump is a Nazi or you 199 00:12:38,320 --> 00:12:40,440 Speaker 2: know whatever, even a horrible person. I mean, I have 200 00:12:40,480 --> 00:12:42,920 Speaker 2: plenty of people I engage with and we just disagree 201 00:12:42,920 --> 00:12:46,400 Speaker 2: about politics. But I think that these things, when they happen, 202 00:12:46,480 --> 00:12:49,960 Speaker 2: it kind of reinforces the worst stereotype. I mean, in 203 00:12:50,000 --> 00:12:52,839 Speaker 2: a way, if I was running the Trump campaign, I 204 00:12:52,840 --> 00:12:55,160 Speaker 2: would be trying to run away from this thing. And 205 00:12:55,200 --> 00:12:57,560 Speaker 2: so I think, in a way, the idea that this 206 00:12:57,600 --> 00:13:00,760 Speaker 2: guy's going to come over and do fasht things and 207 00:13:00,800 --> 00:13:02,640 Speaker 2: be a racist and then he gets up and says 208 00:13:02,760 --> 00:13:04,880 Speaker 2: fascist things and is a racist and is supporter or 209 00:13:04,920 --> 00:13:06,120 Speaker 2: saying things like this, So. 210 00:13:06,520 --> 00:13:09,000 Speaker 1: You don't run away from who you are. And I 211 00:13:09,000 --> 00:13:13,000 Speaker 1: think like that to me is like people love to 212 00:13:13,120 --> 00:13:16,040 Speaker 1: think like, oh, well, if I were Donald Trump or 213 00:13:16,080 --> 00:13:17,960 Speaker 1: if I were them, like I would denounce X. Well, 214 00:13:18,040 --> 00:13:19,600 Speaker 1: you don't run away from who you are. And I 215 00:13:19,600 --> 00:13:22,320 Speaker 1: think that that is something that is like actually one 216 00:13:22,400 --> 00:13:26,720 Speaker 1: hundred percent Donald Trump where he actually stands for the 217 00:13:26,760 --> 00:13:29,840 Speaker 1: only time in his truth is when he was directed 218 00:13:29,840 --> 00:13:33,760 Speaker 1: to denounce white supremacy, spoon fed it here, here's a 219 00:13:33,800 --> 00:13:36,320 Speaker 1: way to do it. And he's like, nah, I'm good. 220 00:13:36,840 --> 00:13:39,160 Speaker 2: But let me just say that there's a conflation in that, 221 00:13:39,800 --> 00:13:42,600 Speaker 2: which is I don't think every person who supports Donald 222 00:13:42,640 --> 00:13:44,640 Speaker 2: Trump is a Nazi or a racist. 223 00:13:44,880 --> 00:13:47,280 Speaker 1: That's where you and I disagree. Please go ahead. 224 00:13:47,640 --> 00:13:50,360 Speaker 2: And you know, like I know plenty of people who 225 00:13:50,920 --> 00:13:54,160 Speaker 2: they support Trump because of his views on the Second Amendment. 226 00:13:54,400 --> 00:13:56,640 Speaker 2: And they're not convinced that Kamala Harris all of a 227 00:13:56,640 --> 00:13:59,240 Speaker 2: sudden said I'm a gun under two weeks ago. They 228 00:13:59,280 --> 00:14:02,760 Speaker 2: support Trump because of the role of government in their lives. 229 00:14:02,800 --> 00:14:04,800 Speaker 2: That whatever. It's not like it's not like the odious 230 00:14:04,840 --> 00:14:07,679 Speaker 2: stuff is invisible to them, But they have other they 231 00:14:07,720 --> 00:14:10,280 Speaker 2: have other reasons. I just I don't find it personally 232 00:14:10,280 --> 00:14:14,920 Speaker 2: helpful for my life or my work to cast ninety whatever. 233 00:14:15,280 --> 00:14:17,920 Speaker 2: How many million people support Trump, like hundreds of millions 234 00:14:17,960 --> 00:14:20,680 Speaker 2: of people. I don't think every single one is a Nazi. 235 00:14:20,720 --> 00:14:23,200 Speaker 2: I think that there are different reasons and so, but 236 00:14:23,240 --> 00:14:26,520 Speaker 2: the thing is, you're right, Trump can't help himself, and 237 00:14:26,600 --> 00:14:29,320 Speaker 2: so in a way, if this election is something that's 238 00:14:29,400 --> 00:14:33,720 Speaker 2: for you know, they're centrist voters, undecided voters, people in 239 00:14:33,760 --> 00:14:38,040 Speaker 2: these purple states, and I think if the appeal is 240 00:14:38,080 --> 00:14:41,760 Speaker 2: to reach those voters, going on and amplifying the worst 241 00:14:41,760 --> 00:14:44,400 Speaker 2: parts of your campaign is probably the worst possible way 242 00:14:44,440 --> 00:14:47,600 Speaker 2: to do it. It speaks to arrogance and hubris and 243 00:14:47,680 --> 00:14:50,960 Speaker 2: just a lack of political strategy. And so just for me, 244 00:14:51,000 --> 00:14:53,320 Speaker 2: it's kind of like, why are they doing it? You know, 245 00:14:53,360 --> 00:14:56,120 Speaker 2: it's the week before the election. Not many things are 246 00:14:56,120 --> 00:14:59,920 Speaker 2: going to move the needle. Making a horrible joke about 247 00:15:00,040 --> 00:15:03,640 Speaker 2: Puerto Ricans, or calling Muslim Americans who might be on 248 00:15:03,680 --> 00:15:05,720 Speaker 2: the fence of Foo to vote for terrorists and saying 249 00:15:05,720 --> 00:15:08,760 Speaker 2: you're going to explode them with a beeper is something 250 00:15:08,760 --> 00:15:10,760 Speaker 2: that will move the needle at this last moment. And 251 00:15:10,800 --> 00:15:16,120 Speaker 2: so for me it's just morally horrible, but also strategically indepensible. 252 00:15:16,880 --> 00:15:19,280 Speaker 1: I mean, here's the thing. I'm going to say a 253 00:15:19,320 --> 00:15:22,600 Speaker 1: couple of things to the points that you made. There 254 00:15:22,680 --> 00:15:28,480 Speaker 1: is no way, nine years later, that someone can express 255 00:15:28,520 --> 00:15:32,560 Speaker 1: to me that I'm not a racist, but I support 256 00:15:32,560 --> 00:15:35,760 Speaker 1: Donald Trump. That I'm not a misogynist, but I support 257 00:15:35,800 --> 00:15:40,000 Speaker 1: Donald Trump. That I am not an islamophobe or a transphobe, 258 00:15:40,080 --> 00:15:43,120 Speaker 1: or a homophobe or an able list, but I support 259 00:15:43,120 --> 00:15:46,200 Speaker 1: Donald Trump. There is no way that you can point 260 00:15:46,240 --> 00:15:49,760 Speaker 1: to me after nine years of listening to this man, 261 00:15:50,000 --> 00:15:54,280 Speaker 1: after nine years of rallies, of rhetoric, of conferences, of 262 00:15:54,800 --> 00:15:57,880 Speaker 1: interviews where Donald Trump and all of his supporters have 263 00:15:58,040 --> 00:16:02,160 Speaker 1: unabashedly said that they are racist, that they support racism, 264 00:16:02,320 --> 00:16:05,120 Speaker 1: that they support white supremacists, that instead of playing our 265 00:16:05,200 --> 00:16:08,640 Speaker 1: national anthem, that you play the anthem of insurrectionists, that 266 00:16:08,720 --> 00:16:12,240 Speaker 1: you praise people like Robert E. Lee, that you talk 267 00:16:12,280 --> 00:16:14,880 Speaker 1: about the fact that Hitler has done some good things, 268 00:16:15,040 --> 00:16:17,920 Speaker 1: and that people all of a sudden can say like, oh, 269 00:16:18,040 --> 00:16:20,680 Speaker 1: you know, I'll put on my gas mask because I 270 00:16:20,680 --> 00:16:23,040 Speaker 1: don't want the odor to get to me. But there 271 00:16:23,040 --> 00:16:26,000 Speaker 1: are some good things in this steaming pile of hot 272 00:16:26,040 --> 00:16:28,720 Speaker 1: shit that I can find, Like it just is not, 273 00:16:29,120 --> 00:16:31,720 Speaker 1: and I think that for far too long we've done 274 00:16:31,800 --> 00:16:34,760 Speaker 1: too much part in parceling to try and find what 275 00:16:34,880 --> 00:16:37,600 Speaker 1: is left that is good inside of this party that 276 00:16:37,680 --> 00:16:39,760 Speaker 1: has told us time and time again that there is 277 00:16:39,840 --> 00:16:42,520 Speaker 1: nothing left that is good here. When you can go 278 00:16:42,840 --> 00:16:45,880 Speaker 1: and host a Nazi rally in the middle of New 279 00:16:45,960 --> 00:16:48,680 Speaker 1: York City, to do so as a show of strength 280 00:16:48,760 --> 00:16:52,120 Speaker 1: and force and terrorism, to show that you can be 281 00:16:52,320 --> 00:16:55,680 Speaker 1: anywhere and do anything, because that's what that was. It 282 00:16:55,760 --> 00:16:59,520 Speaker 1: goes back to when they would lynch black people and 283 00:16:59,600 --> 00:17:02,680 Speaker 1: leave the bodies hanging from trees as a warning to 284 00:17:02,800 --> 00:17:06,000 Speaker 1: other black people that were around not to cross a line. 285 00:17:06,119 --> 00:17:09,399 Speaker 1: That is what they are doing. So this form of 286 00:17:09,560 --> 00:17:13,119 Speaker 1: hubris and ego and intimidation is to say, we don't 287 00:17:13,119 --> 00:17:17,040 Speaker 1: give a fuck. There are no lines anymore, right, there 288 00:17:17,080 --> 00:17:19,560 Speaker 1: are no lines that shoot or should not be crossed 289 00:17:19,560 --> 00:17:22,320 Speaker 1: to me, CNN cross that line when you decided to 290 00:17:22,440 --> 00:17:25,919 Speaker 1: open up your airwaves to people to lie to the 291 00:17:25,960 --> 00:17:28,800 Speaker 1: American people, and you think that that was like offering 292 00:17:28,840 --> 00:17:32,879 Speaker 1: both sides. So I feel like at this point it 293 00:17:32,960 --> 00:17:37,160 Speaker 1: is disingenuous for us to even comment on and think 294 00:17:37,200 --> 00:17:39,639 Speaker 1: that there are people that are left that are Trump's 295 00:17:39,640 --> 00:17:43,520 Speaker 1: supporters that do not harbor the same sentiments. They may 296 00:17:43,560 --> 00:17:47,760 Speaker 1: not speak on them with the same vitriol that Donald 297 00:17:47,840 --> 00:17:51,840 Speaker 1: Trump and his most advanced supporters do, but they are 298 00:17:51,920 --> 00:17:55,120 Speaker 1: there holding the flags and standing at the rallies and 299 00:17:55,160 --> 00:17:58,040 Speaker 1: going to punch a ballot that says I want more 300 00:17:58,080 --> 00:17:58,440 Speaker 1: of this. 301 00:17:58,840 --> 00:18:02,720 Speaker 2: So that is not accept No, I'm not in any 302 00:18:02,720 --> 00:18:05,520 Speaker 2: way saying that it's acceptable, and I'm also not saying 303 00:18:05,560 --> 00:18:08,680 Speaker 2: that people are. I guess what I am saying is this, 304 00:18:08,880 --> 00:18:11,679 Speaker 2: if I distill a doubt having done a lot of 305 00:18:11,720 --> 00:18:14,520 Speaker 2: research and spent a lot of time in a lot 306 00:18:14,520 --> 00:18:20,879 Speaker 2: of communities across America where racism and ableism and homophobia 307 00:18:21,119 --> 00:18:24,000 Speaker 2: are not the main registers. I mean, if you're in 308 00:18:24,040 --> 00:18:26,720 Speaker 2: like an all white part of southern Missouri, or you're 309 00:18:26,760 --> 00:18:28,760 Speaker 2: living in an all white part of Tessee or Kentucky, 310 00:18:29,520 --> 00:18:33,359 Speaker 2: racism just isn't your framework, right, It's not your framework. 311 00:18:33,440 --> 00:18:37,960 Speaker 2: And so the moral umbrage of somebody saying racist stuff, 312 00:18:38,359 --> 00:18:40,080 Speaker 2: You're going to reach some people who say this is 313 00:18:40,119 --> 00:18:43,639 Speaker 2: morally unacceptable. But for other people, their daily lives, the 314 00:18:43,760 --> 00:18:48,439 Speaker 2: register of their daily lives is government interference in their lives. 315 00:18:48,520 --> 00:18:51,320 Speaker 2: And the plant closing and competition from China and all 316 00:18:51,320 --> 00:18:54,360 Speaker 2: these kind of things, And so I just don't agree 317 00:18:54,440 --> 00:18:57,440 Speaker 2: that every person who's drawn to Trump is drawn because 318 00:18:57,480 --> 00:18:59,520 Speaker 2: of the racism. I also think that there are plenty 319 00:18:59,520 --> 00:19:02,800 Speaker 2: of people for whom racism just is not really a category, 320 00:19:02,920 --> 00:19:07,280 Speaker 2: and so part of the story is And again I 321 00:19:07,320 --> 00:19:09,560 Speaker 2: started by saying, I think that Harris and Wolves are 322 00:19:09,600 --> 00:19:13,280 Speaker 2: doing a great job of reaching out to people about economics, 323 00:19:13,359 --> 00:19:16,200 Speaker 2: even in a slight way, about guns, about other things 324 00:19:16,200 --> 00:19:18,560 Speaker 2: that people vote for, because I think those are the 325 00:19:18,600 --> 00:19:21,639 Speaker 2: people who are potentially willing to listen. But I don't 326 00:19:21,640 --> 00:19:26,640 Speaker 2: agree that every single person who supports the GOP does 327 00:19:26,680 --> 00:19:29,960 Speaker 2: so because they resonate with the racism, and and I'm 328 00:19:30,000 --> 00:19:32,960 Speaker 2: hoping there are plenty of people who are repulsed by 329 00:19:33,040 --> 00:19:36,879 Speaker 2: all of this. But again, I also think at a 330 00:19:36,920 --> 00:19:39,560 Speaker 2: strategy level, we're a week before the election, there are 331 00:19:39,640 --> 00:19:42,240 Speaker 2: very few things that will move the needle, and that 332 00:19:42,480 --> 00:19:46,520 Speaker 2: if Trump loses, that Madison Square Garden rally is going 333 00:19:46,560 --> 00:19:50,240 Speaker 2: to go down in the annals of political history as 334 00:19:50,480 --> 00:19:52,600 Speaker 2: one of the biggest screw ups. Ever, I hope that's 335 00:19:52,640 --> 00:19:53,040 Speaker 2: the case. 336 00:19:56,160 --> 00:19:58,600 Speaker 1: I hope that it is the case as well, because 337 00:19:58,600 --> 00:20:01,479 Speaker 1: I think that the things that were said from that 338 00:20:01,640 --> 00:20:06,800 Speaker 1: stage were not jokes. They were statements. They were feelings 339 00:20:07,280 --> 00:20:13,320 Speaker 1: that were given an enormous platform, from Rudy Giuliani to 340 00:20:14,160 --> 00:20:17,440 Speaker 1: the podcaster to the guy who said, oh, I never 341 00:20:17,480 --> 00:20:19,640 Speaker 1: thought I'd be at a Nazi rally, but like here 342 00:20:19,680 --> 00:20:22,639 Speaker 1: I am. You know, these people know what they're doing, 343 00:20:22,680 --> 00:20:26,120 Speaker 1: they know what they're saying. Stephen Miller America. For Americans, 344 00:20:26,920 --> 00:20:32,440 Speaker 1: the hoods are off, the nuances and the euphemisms are gone. 345 00:20:33,160 --> 00:20:36,440 Speaker 1: They're saying what they're saying because they believe that they 346 00:20:36,480 --> 00:20:39,080 Speaker 1: have the power and that they will win. Right Like, 347 00:20:39,160 --> 00:20:42,720 Speaker 1: you don't pull moves like what they've done over the 348 00:20:42,760 --> 00:20:45,680 Speaker 1: last couple of days unless you think that you're going 349 00:20:45,760 --> 00:20:50,359 Speaker 1: to win, Because normal people would be trying to grow 350 00:20:50,480 --> 00:20:54,480 Speaker 1: the electorate and bring people in, and instead they've said 351 00:20:54,800 --> 00:20:58,880 Speaker 1: fuck it. Our closing argument is racism, misogyny, and we're 352 00:20:58,880 --> 00:21:00,600 Speaker 1: doubling and tripling down. 353 00:21:00,920 --> 00:21:03,560 Speaker 2: And as we said last week in either people were 354 00:21:03,640 --> 00:21:05,919 Speaker 2: laughing about cognitive decline, which I don't buy for a 355 00:21:05,960 --> 00:21:08,800 Speaker 2: second about Trump. I mean, it's irrelevant, but there was 356 00:21:08,840 --> 00:21:10,119 Speaker 2: something terrifying for me. 357 00:21:10,600 --> 00:21:13,280 Speaker 1: Really, you don't think there's any deterioration that's there. 358 00:21:13,680 --> 00:21:16,720 Speaker 2: I mean, it doesn't matter. I think we denature the 359 00:21:16,800 --> 00:21:19,760 Speaker 2: content when we call it some kind of a mental illness, 360 00:21:19,800 --> 00:21:21,600 Speaker 2: you know, or something like that. So whether or not 361 00:21:21,640 --> 00:21:24,160 Speaker 2: that's true, I really don't care, But I would say 362 00:21:24,160 --> 00:21:26,320 Speaker 2: that for me, there was something terrifying about a guy 363 00:21:26,320 --> 00:21:29,879 Speaker 2: who spent a whole press conference just rocking out to 364 00:21:30,040 --> 00:21:31,480 Speaker 2: like Haul and Oates. 365 00:21:31,240 --> 00:21:33,919 Speaker 1: Or whatever for thirty nine minutes, yeah. 366 00:21:33,720 --> 00:21:35,840 Speaker 2: And all the other crazy stuff, and it made me 367 00:21:35,920 --> 00:21:40,200 Speaker 2: feel like, there's something about this that is not there's 368 00:21:40,200 --> 00:21:43,320 Speaker 2: something structurally amiss. I've seen that kind of behavior here 369 00:21:43,359 --> 00:21:46,720 Speaker 2: in Tennessee when people don't. I mean, we've got a 370 00:21:46,760 --> 00:21:50,040 Speaker 2: guy running for Congress here who just openly left his 371 00:21:50,080 --> 00:21:52,320 Speaker 2: wife and ran off with somebody else, and he's like 372 00:21:52,359 --> 00:21:54,960 Speaker 2: the morality candidate he's running against, like this really good 373 00:21:54,960 --> 00:21:58,639 Speaker 2: candidate here. But there was another candidate here who was 374 00:21:58,680 --> 00:22:03,200 Speaker 2: a physician who got caught having relations with his patients. 375 00:22:03,359 --> 00:22:05,800 Speaker 2: It didn't matter because the fix was already in in 376 00:22:05,920 --> 00:22:08,560 Speaker 2: terms of jeremandering. And so when I see Trump acting 377 00:22:08,600 --> 00:22:10,960 Speaker 2: like that, I'm just like, what what does he know? 378 00:22:11,680 --> 00:22:13,480 Speaker 2: So partially it's maybe the fix is in, but the 379 00:22:13,520 --> 00:22:16,439 Speaker 2: other part is, as we know from Trump, a loss 380 00:22:16,480 --> 00:22:20,600 Speaker 2: can also be incredibly generative. Also, and so maybe they're 381 00:22:20,640 --> 00:22:23,120 Speaker 2: setting the stage for stuff that happens either So it's 382 00:22:23,600 --> 00:22:24,639 Speaker 2: to me scary either way. 383 00:22:24,960 --> 00:22:29,240 Speaker 1: It's scary either way. And I think AOC Alexandrio Cassio 384 00:22:29,320 --> 00:22:33,480 Speaker 1: Cortez said it really well yesterday where she said that 385 00:22:33,760 --> 00:22:37,199 Speaker 1: the display at Madison Square Garden was really to prime 386 00:22:37,280 --> 00:22:40,440 Speaker 1: his audience for violence. Yeah, to prime and pump them 387 00:22:40,440 --> 00:22:44,480 Speaker 1: for violence in the way that his tweets and messages 388 00:22:44,640 --> 00:22:47,119 Speaker 1: did in twenty twenty, and to do so in a 389 00:22:47,760 --> 00:22:48,359 Speaker 1: bigger way. 390 00:22:48,560 --> 00:22:51,440 Speaker 2: And let's not also forget that he also tried to 391 00:22:51,520 --> 00:22:56,399 Speaker 2: JFK Junior out there, RFK Junior out there. Sorry, who's 392 00:22:56,440 --> 00:23:00,560 Speaker 2: going to destroy the public health system and medications, vaccines 393 00:23:00,600 --> 00:23:03,879 Speaker 2: and public health? So every person was like a wrecking 394 00:23:03,920 --> 00:23:06,200 Speaker 2: ball to something, you know. 395 00:23:07,280 --> 00:23:09,560 Speaker 1: All right, my friend, Well we will leave it there, 396 00:23:09,840 --> 00:23:15,040 Speaker 1: and the next time help we speak, it will actually 397 00:23:15,080 --> 00:23:16,560 Speaker 1: be election day. 398 00:23:17,080 --> 00:23:20,359 Speaker 2: Well let's invoke Casey casem one last time here, you know, 399 00:23:20,520 --> 00:23:23,120 Speaker 2: tell everybody to keep your feet on the ground and 400 00:23:23,280 --> 00:23:27,680 Speaker 2: keep reaching for the stars. You know, So that's this 401 00:23:27,720 --> 00:23:29,840 Speaker 2: is our week to do it. I have to say 402 00:23:29,920 --> 00:23:32,640 Speaker 2: I voted in Tennessee. There were all this social media 403 00:23:32,680 --> 00:23:35,720 Speaker 2: stuff about how there were tar pits on fire and 404 00:23:35,840 --> 00:23:38,439 Speaker 2: seventy five hour waits. I went there. It was the 405 00:23:38,520 --> 00:23:41,480 Speaker 2: smoothest thing ever. It took five minutes, very well run. 406 00:23:42,040 --> 00:23:43,960 Speaker 2: I was like, wait what and they're like, yeah, it's 407 00:23:43,960 --> 00:23:46,760 Speaker 2: actually it actually works pretty well here. So you know, 408 00:23:46,800 --> 00:23:49,639 Speaker 2: don't believe the hype. Get out there, vote and you know, 409 00:23:49,720 --> 00:23:51,440 Speaker 2: save America amazing. 410 00:23:51,680 --> 00:23:54,480 Speaker 1: Thank you, my friends, and we will talk again soon. 411 00:23:54,640 --> 00:24:02,439 Speaker 1: Stay safe, and dear friends, remember that if you are 412 00:24:02,520 --> 00:24:09,000 Speaker 1: voting today and it is nine PM, or it is 413 00:24:09,080 --> 00:24:12,560 Speaker 1: when the polls close wherever you are, if you are 414 00:24:12,680 --> 00:24:18,040 Speaker 1: standing in line, you are still able to cast your ballot. 415 00:24:18,440 --> 00:24:24,359 Speaker 1: Do not let anyone tell you otherwise. Spread that word 416 00:24:24,880 --> 00:24:28,600 Speaker 1: that if you are in line and the voting has 417 00:24:28,760 --> 00:24:32,520 Speaker 1: stopped or the polls have closed, if you are standing 418 00:24:32,600 --> 00:24:36,879 Speaker 1: in line when the polls close, you can still cast 419 00:24:37,280 --> 00:24:42,679 Speaker 1: your ballot, and do not let anyone tell you otherwise. 420 00:24:43,760 --> 00:24:50,760 Speaker 1: Stay safe, stay vigilant, protect yourselves, protect each other, be 421 00:24:50,880 --> 00:24:55,000 Speaker 1: in community with people. If you see something that is 422 00:24:55,280 --> 00:25:00,880 Speaker 1: going awry, then say something. We need each other now 423 00:25:00,920 --> 00:25:05,480 Speaker 1: more than ever. I will see you, dear friends on 424 00:25:05,640 --> 00:25:09,639 Speaker 1: the other side. That is it for me today on 425 00:25:10,160 --> 00:25:14,360 Speaker 1: wokef as always Power to the people and to all 426 00:25:14,760 --> 00:25:19,120 Speaker 1: the people power, get woke, and stay woke as fuck.