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Speaker 1: Hey, what, I welcome and I'm Doug Gollie. This is

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Speaker 1: all fall and uh, yep, it really happened. I'm really

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Speaker 1: a Division one men's at basketball coach. It does I

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Speaker 1: have goosebumps even saying it, No, really like I have

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Speaker 1: goosebumps on my arm. I'm sure if you go goose bumps,

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Speaker 1: some of you would say goose pimples or heard I've

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Speaker 1: heard that one before. So here's what we're going to

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Speaker 1: do this on this podcast. I'll tell you a little

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Speaker 1: bit about what the experience has been like. It's been

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Speaker 1: overwhelming is a word. And then we have two interviews

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Speaker 1: with two of my dear friends, both of whom I've

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Speaker 1: joined on their podcast Field of sixty eight, and I

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Speaker 1: told them in real time exactly what was going down,

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Speaker 1: and it was like embargo. So I think you're going

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Speaker 1: to enjoy it, but a lot of people want to know, like,

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Speaker 1: what is this all like? So I can't believe this

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Speaker 1: is Friday morning, and last Friday morning my life was normal.

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Speaker 1: I was living in southern California. I was very much

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Speaker 1: It's going to actually move part of the operation to

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Speaker 1: on Thursday, Jeff Linder of course left Wyoming and het

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Speaker 1: a Texas Tech and I had a sneaking suspicion that

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Speaker 1: Sundan Swicks would get the Wyoming job. On Friday at

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Speaker 1: twelve be four? That's because my radio show starts at

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Speaker 1: an opening happit. The weekend was a blur. My poor mother,

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Speaker 1: who had to wait probably forty five minutes for me

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Speaker 1: I was walking into. Sunday morning, Mother's Day and Sunday night,

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Speaker 1: it became much more of reality Monday night, I actually

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Speaker 1: signed the memo of understanding, and Tuesday morning, I was

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Speaker 1: a lot of people think and I'm sure I'm going

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Speaker 1: Jeff Goodman you here on this pod, because Jeff has

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Speaker 1: been the sole reason that I've done our stadium show

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Speaker 1: I know that Jeff he at times likes to create

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Speaker 1: good with me, He's good people. I understand that that

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Speaker 1: there's a competitiveness in his field, and that competitiveness, you

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Speaker 1: know Matt Orlander, John Rosstein, even Rob Demofski of course

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Speaker 1: to me, and Rob, I apologize to you. I haven't

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Speaker 1: haven't texted you back. And to the I think I

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Speaker 1: I missed you. I apologize sincerely. But to those guys

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Speaker 1: It pisses people off, like dude, I've been doing this

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Speaker 1: I put them in the right position to succeed. So

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Speaker 1: And so the journey goes a little something like this.

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Speaker 1: And you know, May fifteenth coaching changes. Maybe that allows

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Speaker 1: tell stories. I'm a storyteller. That's what I've done in

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Speaker 1: But this quest is not really about ego. It's about passion.

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Speaker 1: He would be amazing and so you know, it's like

428
00:28:29,960 --> 00:28:32,399
Speaker 1: what we talked about is like, look, this might not

429
00:28:32,760 --> 00:28:35,160
Speaker 1: It might not be this year, might not be next year.

430
00:28:35,800 --> 00:28:38,360
Speaker 1: He can if he tells me somebody is getting fired,

431
00:28:38,600 --> 00:28:41,479
Speaker 1: because I would love to have him. It just doesn't

432
00:28:41,480 --> 00:28:43,880
Speaker 1: really work for him, you know, financially at this point,

433
00:28:43,960 --> 00:28:46,080
Speaker 1: he's been in the state of California with the exception

434
00:28:46,160 --> 00:28:48,479
Speaker 1: of the three years at GCU, and he has all

435
00:28:48,520 --> 00:28:51,160
Speaker 1: those years of crude in terms of retirement, he has

436
00:28:51,200 --> 00:28:53,320
Speaker 1: you know, three kids that are still two in high school,

437
00:28:53,320 --> 00:28:56,640
Speaker 1: one in middle school. So sure doesn't really work for him.

438
00:28:57,760 --> 00:29:02,880
Speaker 1: So my associated coach and hopefully at the time this

439
00:29:03,000 --> 00:29:07,480
Speaker 1: drops is somebody I've worked with. I think knowing somebody

440
00:29:07,640 --> 00:29:10,160
Speaker 1: is a big thing. And look, I'm going to talk

441
00:29:10,200 --> 00:29:14,840
Speaker 1: to a bunch of people. I'm not completely sold on

442
00:29:15,280 --> 00:29:18,280
Speaker 1: all of who I want to hire because there's other

443
00:29:18,320 --> 00:29:22,040
Speaker 1: people that but I do think you have to really

444
00:29:22,120 --> 00:29:26,040
Speaker 1: know trust each other, like knowing and trusting and understanding

445
00:29:27,040 --> 00:29:32,280
Speaker 1: having a relationship pre existing relationship is it's not it's

446
00:29:32,360 --> 00:29:33,960
Speaker 1: it's important.

447
00:29:34,000 --> 00:29:34,920
Speaker 2: It's not paramount.

448
00:29:35,000 --> 00:29:37,840
Speaker 1: But I mean that was actually the word good good

449
00:29:37,840 --> 00:29:39,720
Speaker 1: to you. I was gonna use that word paramount. I

450
00:29:39,760 --> 00:29:41,360
Speaker 1: was exactly what I was going to say, but I

451
00:29:41,400 --> 00:29:44,720
Speaker 1: was trying to think, but it's very important. Yes, so

452
00:29:45,800 --> 00:29:48,840
Speaker 1: I and he would also be in my associate in

453
00:29:48,960 --> 00:29:52,680
Speaker 1: my defense apporting I wake up in the morning thinking

454
00:29:52,680 --> 00:29:57,120
Speaker 1: about offensive basketball, you know, like I actually have this

455
00:29:57,760 --> 00:30:03,480
Speaker 1: notepad next to my bed and been in mine was

456
00:30:03,520 --> 00:30:07,160
Speaker 1: over and they were like the fuck is that? Yeah?

457
00:30:07,200 --> 00:30:09,320
Speaker 1: And I was like, uh, do you really want to know?

458
00:30:09,400 --> 00:30:12,160
Speaker 1: Like yeah, I was like, that's a five out in

459
00:30:12,200 --> 00:30:13,120
Speaker 1: delay that.

460
00:30:13,080 --> 00:30:15,200
Speaker 2: Was about dude. I I swear to you, I was

461
00:30:15,280 --> 00:30:19,360
Speaker 2: just watching delay action. Uh, Mark Pope's delay action with

462
00:30:19,560 --> 00:30:22,480
Speaker 2: Khalifa and all that stuff. I would not not. Thirty

463
00:30:22,520 --> 00:30:25,320
Speaker 2: minutes ago, I was watching how Kentucky would do if

464
00:30:25,320 --> 00:30:27,480
Speaker 2: they had multiple bigs, if you went a horizon with

465
00:30:27,520 --> 00:30:31,440
Speaker 2: multiple bigs. I was watching delay action, and I was like,

466
00:30:31,480 --> 00:30:33,880
Speaker 2: I bet a notepad's full of delay action ideas and

467
00:30:33,920 --> 00:30:34,800
Speaker 2: how he's going to teach it.

468
00:30:35,680 --> 00:30:39,920
Speaker 1: So it's so funny. So I have this, so I

469
00:30:39,920 --> 00:30:44,160
Speaker 1: I actually really I think AU basketball, I'm thinking I

470
00:30:44,280 --> 00:30:47,080
Speaker 1: don't know as well really prepare as really prepared me

471
00:30:47,120 --> 00:30:50,560
Speaker 1: for this because in AU basketball, yes, the level of

472
00:30:50,600 --> 00:30:54,040
Speaker 1: coaching and coaching against is not great. Right, Like you

473
00:30:54,040 --> 00:30:55,760
Speaker 1: can run a lot, you can run a lot of

474
00:30:55,800 --> 00:31:00,760
Speaker 1: simple actions and like I literally score a wide open

475
00:31:00,760 --> 00:31:03,920
Speaker 1: shadow layup out of every time out and every you'll

476
00:31:03,960 --> 00:31:06,520
Speaker 1: be if they just do I just say, like, just

477
00:31:06,680 --> 00:31:08,840
Speaker 1: do what I'm asking you to do. I'm this is for you.

478
00:31:09,320 --> 00:31:11,600
Speaker 1: I'm going to give you a wide open Just fucking

479
00:31:11,640 --> 00:31:13,800
Speaker 1: do what I ask you to do, and you will

480
00:31:13,840 --> 00:31:18,280
Speaker 1: get a shot. But I don't know. I can't tell

481
00:31:18,280 --> 00:31:20,000
Speaker 1: you how many times I have a tournament and I

482
00:31:20,000 --> 00:31:22,840
Speaker 1: don't know who's going to be playing until fucking layup lines,

483
00:31:22,880 --> 00:31:26,040
Speaker 1: because you know, sometimes they show, sometimes they don't, and

484
00:31:26,080 --> 00:31:31,480
Speaker 1: you have to adjust on the fly anyway. But but

485
00:31:31,920 --> 00:31:35,840
Speaker 1: I I love running five out stuff and I've been

486
00:31:36,040 --> 00:31:39,160
Speaker 1: kind of experimenting peatradition in it with my with my

487
00:31:39,280 --> 00:31:43,479
Speaker 1: youth teams and so uh I was talking to them

488
00:31:43,520 --> 00:31:48,320
Speaker 1: the other last night and they were like, uh yeah,

489
00:31:48,360 --> 00:31:50,960
Speaker 1: well at eleven forty at night, you wrote that like

490
00:31:51,080 --> 00:31:54,080
Speaker 1: this is what you're supposed to be doing. So I'm

491
00:31:54,120 --> 00:31:57,720
Speaker 1: an offensive guy. I know what my strengths are. I'm

492
00:31:58,000 --> 00:32:00,680
Speaker 1: really good at building culture because I do think I

493
00:32:00,720 --> 00:32:03,840
Speaker 1: have the obviously to go to communicate, but also you know,

494
00:32:03,960 --> 00:32:08,240
Speaker 1: like I can. I want to coach the way I

495
00:32:08,280 --> 00:32:10,320
Speaker 1: want to be coached, you know. I want to be

496
00:32:10,400 --> 00:32:12,680
Speaker 1: coach hard but fair. And I think one of the

497
00:32:12,680 --> 00:32:14,480
Speaker 1: things I do the best job of with the kids

498
00:32:14,720 --> 00:32:16,960
Speaker 1: is like when the game's over and the practice is over,

499
00:32:17,080 --> 00:32:19,080
Speaker 1: like I don't carry that over.

500
00:32:18,960 --> 00:32:20,440
Speaker 2: In our conversation, that's huge.

501
00:32:20,600 --> 00:32:22,840
Speaker 1: We talked about it. It's over all, right, let's go

502
00:32:22,920 --> 00:32:24,840
Speaker 1: have some let's go like be human beings and like

503
00:32:25,000 --> 00:32:26,280
Speaker 1: you want to go watch a ball game or you

504
00:32:26,280 --> 00:32:30,760
Speaker 1: want to go you know, so it and it's some

505
00:32:30,800 --> 00:32:32,280
Speaker 1: of those guys that will hit them like a like

506
00:32:32,320 --> 00:32:34,960
Speaker 1: a you know, like a lead balloon. It'll go over

507
00:32:35,000 --> 00:32:36,840
Speaker 1: like a lead balloon. But I think most guys will

508
00:32:36,880 --> 00:32:40,160
Speaker 1: late too. So my associate coach is going to be

509
00:32:40,200 --> 00:32:46,520
Speaker 1: somebody I worked with before. I trust, and while I'm

510
00:32:46,560 --> 00:32:48,480
Speaker 1: doing the radio show, they can kind of man the

511
00:32:48,560 --> 00:32:56,720
Speaker 1: con my I will have a coach on staff. So again,

512
00:32:56,840 --> 00:33:02,360
Speaker 1: so my so t you, I don't know if you know. Yep,

513
00:33:03,400 --> 00:33:07,640
Speaker 1: he's awesome, awesome, awesome and really good on the road recruiting,

514
00:33:08,200 --> 00:33:13,160
Speaker 1: really good at defense. And what I like about his

515
00:33:13,600 --> 00:33:18,560
Speaker 1: how he implements the defense is I can understand it. No,

516
00:33:19,800 --> 00:33:23,400
Speaker 1: that's huge, and because because how I how I like

517
00:33:23,480 --> 00:33:26,560
Speaker 1: to coach when you have a real staff is like

518
00:33:27,680 --> 00:33:30,920
Speaker 1: what he says goes, and then I back it up

519
00:33:31,160 --> 00:33:34,400
Speaker 1: with everything. You know, I that I understand what he

520
00:33:34,480 --> 00:33:37,760
Speaker 1: wants and I agree with it, or you know, I

521
00:33:37,760 --> 00:33:39,520
Speaker 1: agree with it enough to where that's what we're doing.

522
00:33:39,560 --> 00:33:42,600
Speaker 1: So I agree with it, and then I support him.

523
00:33:42,640 --> 00:33:45,040
Speaker 1: And but you can't support somebody's ideas if you don't

524
00:33:45,120 --> 00:33:49,040
Speaker 1: understand them yourself. Sure, you know, So the defensive calls

525
00:33:49,320 --> 00:33:53,840
Speaker 1: are simple. The philosophy is pretty simple anyway. And then

526
00:33:54,280 --> 00:33:58,840
Speaker 1: I'm trying to get my my high school coach who

527
00:33:58,880 --> 00:34:01,800
Speaker 1: went on to become a four time state champion junior

528
00:34:01,800 --> 00:34:06,320
Speaker 1: college coach to also be on my staff. He's retired

529
00:34:06,600 --> 00:34:09,719
Speaker 1: technically from his two jobs, although he's coached at a

530
00:34:09,760 --> 00:34:12,720
Speaker 1: high school kind of helping out the last two years.

531
00:34:12,880 --> 00:34:13,799
Speaker 2: Yeah, he's your old head.

532
00:34:14,880 --> 00:34:17,799
Speaker 1: Yeah, and he's I mean, he's coached every level in

533
00:34:17,840 --> 00:34:23,200
Speaker 1: one and he's awesome, and he's great at teaching toughness

534
00:34:23,280 --> 00:34:26,080
Speaker 1: and unbelievable. And I need somebody to do. Hey, man,

535
00:34:26,200 --> 00:34:29,719
Speaker 1: I need a practice plan. I need And there's many

536
00:34:29,719 --> 00:34:32,200
Speaker 1: times when frankly, like I'm on the recorded recruiting, I

537
00:34:32,239 --> 00:34:35,080
Speaker 1: want to run practice you too, You guys got it,

538
00:34:35,880 --> 00:34:41,719
Speaker 1: and then I'll see if this one works out. But

539
00:34:41,760 --> 00:34:43,759
Speaker 1: I have a there's a guy who play who my

540
00:34:43,760 --> 00:34:47,719
Speaker 1: brother recruited, I've known for he played for my dad

541
00:34:47,719 --> 00:34:51,040
Speaker 1: and AU. He may even play for me and AU.

542
00:34:51,320 --> 00:34:56,759
Speaker 1: And he's an assistant at that level, really really good

543
00:34:56,760 --> 00:35:00,520
Speaker 1: with players, really really good player development, and a really

544
00:35:00,560 --> 00:35:04,600
Speaker 1: really good dude. There's one guy on staff that's local

545
00:35:04,760 --> 00:35:08,360
Speaker 1: that I want to keep. And then I have I

546
00:35:08,440 --> 00:35:13,920
Speaker 1: have a guy who's my like dobo slash assistant who's

547
00:35:14,160 --> 00:35:19,319
Speaker 1: just an energizer bunny. Yeah, and uh, he will he

548
00:35:19,400 --> 00:35:21,719
Speaker 1: will make sure that I'm where I'm supposed to be

549
00:35:21,760 --> 00:35:25,880
Speaker 1: when I'm supposed to be there, and he's he's like

550
00:35:25,920 --> 00:35:29,400
Speaker 1: the most unbelievable. I'm a kid because he's younger than me,

551
00:35:29,960 --> 00:35:32,440
Speaker 1: and I'm actually I'm actually probably most excited to work

552
00:35:32,480 --> 00:35:35,399
Speaker 1: with him because he's going to make my life super simple. Yes,

553
00:35:36,320 --> 00:35:38,200
Speaker 1: well he's kind of doing a juggling.

554
00:35:39,000 --> 00:35:40,879
Speaker 2: Yeah, sounds like you gotta figured out.

555
00:35:40,920 --> 00:35:41,040
Speaker 1: Man.

556
00:35:41,080 --> 00:35:45,839
Speaker 2: That's great. Now, how many? Well, it's it's you're perpetually

557
00:35:45,840 --> 00:35:47,440
Speaker 2: figuring it out. Did you get what I'm saying? Like,

558
00:35:47,480 --> 00:35:48,960
Speaker 2: the initial process is figured out?

559
00:35:49,520 --> 00:35:49,600
Speaker 1: So?

560
00:35:49,640 --> 00:35:51,560
Speaker 2: How many? You got a bunch of you? So you

561
00:35:51,680 --> 00:35:54,120
Speaker 2: just named four guys? You get three assistants in a

562
00:35:54,160 --> 00:35:56,279
Speaker 2: dobo anybody else on staff? Or is that is that

563
00:35:56,400 --> 00:35:57,640
Speaker 2: there's one more that was No.

564
00:35:59,080 --> 00:36:04,000
Speaker 1: Four and one associate head coach yep, number two chair

565
00:36:04,080 --> 00:36:06,359
Speaker 1: who I I don't want to give that one away

566
00:36:06,400 --> 00:36:08,520
Speaker 1: because I don't have that one. I'm pretty close to

567
00:36:08,520 --> 00:36:13,040
Speaker 1: locked in or whatever, old head young guy who just

568
00:36:13,120 --> 00:36:17,480
Speaker 1: joined their staff. Okay, I would keep and then my

569
00:36:17,680 --> 00:36:20,600
Speaker 1: dobo slash. So there's five and me, so six six

570
00:36:20,680 --> 00:36:21,640
Speaker 1: full time emplays.

571
00:36:21,840 --> 00:36:25,200
Speaker 2: There you go, man, this is awesome. There's breaking, groundbreaking

572
00:36:25,200 --> 00:36:26,839
Speaker 2: stuff and you're gonna be able to do the radio

573
00:36:26,880 --> 00:36:30,239
Speaker 2: and everything this way. Yes, yes, God bless you, man,

574
00:36:30,680 --> 00:36:32,479
Speaker 2: God bless you. That's gonna be tough.

575
00:36:33,520 --> 00:36:35,759
Speaker 1: Okay, So what's tough about it? Now?

576
00:36:36,080 --> 00:36:39,040
Speaker 2: Just I do think whenever I was on staff, I

577
00:36:39,080 --> 00:36:41,959
Speaker 2: do think there's much to do about nothing. Sometimes when

578
00:36:42,640 --> 00:36:44,359
Speaker 2: you're just kind of sitting in the office doing nothing,

579
00:36:44,360 --> 00:36:45,200
Speaker 2: I do think it's possible.

580
00:36:45,280 --> 00:36:47,759
Speaker 1: I just fucking guys just bullshit all the time. There's

581
00:36:47,800 --> 00:36:50,279
Speaker 1: like so much and I understand like there actually is

582
00:36:50,320 --> 00:36:52,680
Speaker 1: a portion of that which is, like I know, it's

583
00:36:52,719 --> 00:36:54,520
Speaker 1: you're just bullshit and you're sitting around the office and

584
00:36:55,040 --> 00:36:57,239
Speaker 1: calling your buddies and coaching atter. But actually that is

585
00:36:57,320 --> 00:36:58,839
Speaker 1: kind of part of the job, which is it is

586
00:36:58,880 --> 00:37:02,120
Speaker 1: there's a relationship piece to the entire thing.

587
00:37:02,360 --> 00:37:04,520
Speaker 2: Are you going to be somebody who adapts to somebody

588
00:37:04,640 --> 00:37:06,279
Speaker 2: or else? Are you going to make them adapt to you?

589
00:37:07,000 --> 00:37:09,720
Speaker 2: Because there's both ways, and both both ways have had success.

590
00:37:09,760 --> 00:37:11,279
Speaker 2: I'm just curious on how that would go with you.

591
00:37:12,000 --> 00:37:14,680
Speaker 1: Well, it's it's a it's a great question. Okay. So

592
00:37:15,600 --> 00:37:19,560
Speaker 1: here's I believe the Belichick method is the best method,

593
00:37:20,160 --> 00:37:23,239
Speaker 1: which is, do whatever it takes to win any game,

594
00:37:23,480 --> 00:37:25,719
Speaker 1: got to be adaptable. Sure, got to be a doubt.

595
00:37:26,840 --> 00:37:31,480
Speaker 1: On the other hand, you have to have core principles right,

596
00:37:31,560 --> 00:37:34,680
Speaker 1: and you have to have I mean, you have to

597
00:37:34,719 --> 00:37:37,719
Speaker 1: have an offense. You have to have you know, like

598
00:37:38,120 --> 00:37:42,520
Speaker 1: what defense do we play? And my philosophy has always

599
00:37:42,520 --> 00:37:46,160
Speaker 1: been like, if you can't guard anybody a man a man,

600
00:37:47,239 --> 00:37:50,279
Speaker 1: what are we doing? You know? And of course, as

601
00:37:50,320 --> 00:37:55,799
Speaker 1: we know, there's all different kinds of vandom. So this

602
00:37:55,880 --> 00:37:57,160
Speaker 1: is a long answer to your question.

603
00:37:58,160 --> 00:38:00,160
Speaker 2: But that's what I was hoping for. I was hoping for.

604
00:38:00,280 --> 00:38:03,319
Speaker 1: But yeah, yeah, but yes, and yes, yeah, right, Like

605
00:38:03,680 --> 00:38:04,920
Speaker 1: I know what I want to run. I mean, I'm

606
00:38:05,000 --> 00:38:07,719
Speaker 1: generally again, I want to do five out, but I

607
00:38:07,760 --> 00:38:10,239
Speaker 1: got to see what my roster looks like, sure, in

608
00:38:11,000 --> 00:38:13,400
Speaker 1: order in terms of how I run five out, And

609
00:38:13,440 --> 00:38:16,080
Speaker 1: then I want to supply what I like to do

610
00:38:16,280 --> 00:38:21,360
Speaker 1: is I want to teach all the different options based

611
00:38:21,440 --> 00:38:25,960
Speaker 1: upon how they're going to play us, you know, Like

612
00:38:26,080 --> 00:38:28,840
Speaker 1: I know again this is where AU basketball and coaching

613
00:38:28,880 --> 00:38:31,480
Speaker 1: overseas and coaching all these games where it gives you

614
00:38:31,600 --> 00:38:35,880
Speaker 1: a little bit different perspective on things. But I know

615
00:38:35,960 --> 00:38:37,960
Speaker 1: a couple of different ways in which you can guard

616
00:38:38,239 --> 00:38:40,920
Speaker 1: what I want to do, and I want to provide

617
00:38:41,000 --> 00:38:43,400
Speaker 1: the escape routes for pressure, and then I want to

618
00:38:43,400 --> 00:38:47,160
Speaker 1: provide the options. Sure, but I think a big thing

619
00:38:47,280 --> 00:38:50,960
Speaker 1: is if you just have a Some coaches, as you know,

620
00:38:51,040 --> 00:38:54,640
Speaker 1: are set guys, set play guys. Some guys are hey,

621
00:38:54,680 --> 00:38:56,040
Speaker 1: we got an offense, we run it and we just

622
00:38:56,080 --> 00:38:56,600
Speaker 1: let them play.

623
00:38:56,920 --> 00:38:57,520
Speaker 2: Yeah.

624
00:38:57,840 --> 00:39:01,880
Speaker 1: I want to do both. Okay, Obviously everybody's trying to

625
00:39:01,920 --> 00:39:08,319
Speaker 1: copy Ukon. Everybody wants to copy U kann Ey Connor Alabama. Right,

626
00:39:08,360 --> 00:39:12,520
Speaker 1: those are the those are the two best. And so again,

627
00:39:12,600 --> 00:39:15,080
Speaker 1: some of it's going to be based upon where I

628
00:39:15,280 --> 00:39:18,560
Speaker 1: where my team lands in terms of what the roster

629
00:39:18,920 --> 00:39:23,239
Speaker 1: looks like, of course, right, But you know, like you

630
00:39:23,239 --> 00:39:27,239
Speaker 1: talk about adaptable. When I coached in Israel, the first time,

631
00:39:27,640 --> 00:39:32,319
Speaker 1: I ran everything you know out of uh really like

632
00:39:32,360 --> 00:39:34,720
Speaker 1: a ball screen continuity. And the only thing I did differently,

633
00:39:34,760 --> 00:39:36,480
Speaker 1: which now people have started to do more and more,

634
00:39:36,560 --> 00:39:39,040
Speaker 1: is instead of constantly bringing the ball to the middle,

635
00:39:39,080 --> 00:39:41,759
Speaker 1: constantly coming off to the middle, then flipping it and

636
00:39:41,800 --> 00:39:43,960
Speaker 1: going down to the baseline on the on that ball screen,

637
00:39:44,200 --> 00:39:46,799
Speaker 1: big guys are playing on the string. Guards are you know,

638
00:39:46,840 --> 00:39:49,920
Speaker 1: three guards are playing together, you know, keep the floor spaced.

639
00:39:50,280 --> 00:39:54,239
Speaker 1: Since then, I've kind of evolved into a different so

640
00:39:54,280 --> 00:39:58,279
Speaker 1: I have when I got five out flow action. But

641
00:39:58,360 --> 00:40:01,120
Speaker 1: and so that's a staple that I think you can run.

642
00:40:01,280 --> 00:40:05,880
Speaker 1: But you have to supply your team with all the

643
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Speaker 1: mental ammo of Okay, I can read it and how

644
00:40:09,400 --> 00:40:11,880
Speaker 1: they're playing it, and this is what we do. If

645
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Speaker 1: they do this, we do this. If they do this,

646
00:40:14,200 --> 00:40:15,640
Speaker 1: we do this. And then you have to have calls

647
00:40:15,640 --> 00:40:17,400
Speaker 1: as well to help them along. It goes and I

648
00:40:17,400 --> 00:40:20,239
Speaker 1: can be able to read everything. Yeah, and then defensively, yeah,

649
00:40:20,280 --> 00:40:24,279
Speaker 1: do I want to be able to enforce our will? Yes? Yeah,

650
00:40:24,560 --> 00:40:26,480
Speaker 1: I mean like truth be told. I want to press,

651
00:40:26,719 --> 00:40:28,160
Speaker 1: I want to run, I want to get up into

652
00:40:28,160 --> 00:40:30,000
Speaker 1: people's asses. I want to force tempo. I want to

653
00:40:30,000 --> 00:40:33,920
Speaker 1: score a ninety points game. But you know, all those

654
00:40:33,920 --> 00:40:36,560
Speaker 1: things are great, but if I don't have the personnel

655
00:40:36,640 --> 00:40:39,840
Speaker 1: for it, sure, here's the person for it.

656
00:40:39,960 --> 00:40:42,680
Speaker 2: You're just basically opening the floor, like.

657
00:40:42,680 --> 00:40:44,839
Speaker 1: Here, here's the this is. This is a great one.

658
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Speaker 1: And I think I think you might have been playing

659
00:40:48,920 --> 00:40:50,520
Speaker 1: this is right after you're playing you remember when Duke

660
00:40:50,560 --> 00:40:51,960
Speaker 1: won the national title in two thousands.

661
00:40:53,280 --> 00:40:55,040
Speaker 2: I had left for Europe, But yeah, I do remember.

662
00:40:55,520 --> 00:40:57,840
Speaker 1: Okay, so when you're in Europe. It's really hard because

663
00:40:57,840 --> 00:41:02,160
Speaker 1: you don't see college basketball right, especially back then. Yeah,

664
00:41:02,560 --> 00:41:06,160
Speaker 1: early in the year, they played Arizona State and it

665
00:41:06,280 --> 00:41:11,200
Speaker 1: was in the pre season of the Nighteen and Mason

666
00:41:11,200 --> 00:41:14,520
Speaker 1: Plumbley wasn't yet playing. And I'll never forget I was

667
00:41:14,560 --> 00:41:19,920
Speaker 1: working with Jay Williams and they're playing, and I think

668
00:41:20,320 --> 00:41:23,000
Speaker 1: I think hardin was that it was at Arizona State

669
00:41:23,040 --> 00:41:25,600
Speaker 1: at the time, and they were just slicing them and

670
00:41:25,600 --> 00:41:27,600
Speaker 1: dice them and beating them off the balance, even though

671
00:41:27,600 --> 00:41:29,919
Speaker 1: they were running prints and stuff. They were just killing them.

672
00:41:30,320 --> 00:41:35,319
Speaker 1: So at halftime, I said, Duke looked alarmingly unathletic, right,

673
00:41:36,520 --> 00:41:39,799
Speaker 1: And that team ended up winning national title. And to

674
00:41:39,840 --> 00:41:43,160
Speaker 1: this day you'll have Duke fans and be like, idiot,

675
00:41:43,239 --> 00:41:46,640
Speaker 1: you know, look alarming in an athletic But what they

676
00:41:46,680 --> 00:41:50,480
Speaker 1: don't realize is the team that won the national title.

677
00:41:51,840 --> 00:41:54,720
Speaker 1: And when they changed maybe year they put Brian Zubek

678
00:41:54,760 --> 00:42:00,279
Speaker 1: into the starting center, right, they had John Shire, they

679
00:42:00,280 --> 00:42:04,080
Speaker 1: had Nolan Smith you're talking about ye, right, great, they

680
00:42:04,120 --> 00:42:06,320
Speaker 1: had Kyle Singler.

681
00:42:06,600 --> 00:42:10,200
Speaker 2: Yeah, Kyle was good player, a great player, Yeah, really

682
00:42:10,200 --> 00:42:10,760
Speaker 2: good player.

683
00:42:10,600 --> 00:42:14,960
Speaker 1: Good player. And then they had they had Bason Plumley

684
00:42:15,000 --> 00:42:17,560
Speaker 1: as well, I'm trying to think we will. Stand point

685
00:42:17,719 --> 00:42:24,360
Speaker 1: is that if you watched basketball, they Zubec started playing

686
00:42:24,360 --> 00:42:29,120
Speaker 1: in the drop and they they basically played pack line

687
00:42:29,640 --> 00:42:33,080
Speaker 1: the second half of the season, which if anyone knows

688
00:42:33,120 --> 00:42:35,640
Speaker 1: anything about Duke up into the moment, like the reason

689
00:42:35,760 --> 00:42:39,759
Speaker 1: Greg Pollis had a kind of a miserable career was

690
00:42:39,800 --> 00:42:42,200
Speaker 1: they had Greg Pollis like picking up three quarter court

691
00:42:42,440 --> 00:42:45,160
Speaker 1: and getting up into guards and dude in the acc

692
00:42:45,600 --> 00:42:48,319
Speaker 1: with pros like he's not, he's not. That's not. If

693
00:42:48,360 --> 00:42:50,759
Speaker 1: Greg Pollis would have played pack line, he could have

694
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Speaker 1: been an all time great at Duke because he was

695
00:42:53,239 --> 00:42:53,920
Speaker 1: such a good player.

696
00:42:54,160 --> 00:42:56,000
Speaker 2: I agree, he.

697
00:42:56,040 --> 00:42:58,160
Speaker 1: Was playing in a system that didn't fit his skill set.

698
00:42:58,440 --> 00:43:02,239
Speaker 1: So I use that as the perfect example of even

699
00:43:02,280 --> 00:43:06,239
Speaker 1: Mike Krzyzewski, who, let's be honest, you know, especially offensively,

700
00:43:06,280 --> 00:43:08,440
Speaker 1: they kind of do what they did, They really let

701
00:43:08,480 --> 00:43:10,759
Speaker 1: them play and then they just try to take you

702
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Speaker 1: out of everything you want to do offensively. Sure that

703
00:43:13,320 --> 00:43:16,280
Speaker 1: year he didn't and they won the national title because

704
00:43:16,280 --> 00:43:20,080
Speaker 1: of it. So so again, like you're asking me now

705
00:43:20,320 --> 00:43:25,839
Speaker 1: May fifteenth or whatever, how is Doug Gottlink's team gonna play? Well, Look, man,

706
00:43:25,960 --> 00:43:28,799
Speaker 1: I want to force tempo like that. And and this

707
00:43:28,880 --> 00:43:30,960
Speaker 1: is where I've had discussions with Shaka when he was

708
00:43:30,960 --> 00:43:33,600
Speaker 1: at VCU and obviously now at Marquette, Like there's gonna

709
00:43:33,600 --> 00:43:36,120
Speaker 1: be games when you're gonna you might get run out

710
00:43:36,120 --> 00:43:38,279
Speaker 1: of the gym a little bit playing fast, But if

711
00:43:38,320 --> 00:43:42,160
Speaker 1: you're committed to it, and you play fast all the time,

712
00:43:42,640 --> 00:43:45,000
Speaker 1: and you you and you pushed up all the time,

713
00:43:45,040 --> 00:43:48,200
Speaker 1: and you trap and run and pressure all the time,

714
00:43:48,360 --> 00:43:51,919
Speaker 1: you do those things. Those teams play that way once

715
00:43:51,920 --> 00:43:55,719
Speaker 1: a year, you play that way thirty times. So right,

716
00:43:55,760 --> 00:43:59,000
Speaker 1: So philosophically, that's how I'd like to play. I want

717
00:43:59,000 --> 00:44:01,160
Speaker 1: a pressure, I want various kinds of pressure.

718
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Speaker 2: It's funny. I talked to Greg about that exact thing,

719
00:44:06,320 --> 00:44:08,279
Speaker 2: like exactly what you talk about. Greg paul So, who's

720
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Speaker 2: now the head coach at Niagara. I was like, He's like,

721
00:44:10,360 --> 00:44:13,560
Speaker 2: you guys were so unique and you had to prepare

722
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Speaker 2: a special way just to play with you guys. And

723
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Speaker 2: to be honest, when I came back and was GA

724
00:44:18,200 --> 00:44:19,920
Speaker 2: under Brad when I had to come back and finish schooling,

725
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Speaker 2: like Syracuse was kind of the same way, and Florida

726
00:44:22,800 --> 00:44:25,000
Speaker 2: State was kind of the same way. Like Syracuse, you

727
00:44:25,040 --> 00:44:26,239
Speaker 2: knew what they were going to do. That's what they

728
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Speaker 2: were going to do, and you had to spend two

729
00:44:28,200 --> 00:44:31,080
Speaker 2: days preparing for this long Asizon Florida state, you had

730
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Speaker 2: to spend two days preparing for At the time, it

731
00:44:33,560 --> 00:44:36,040
Speaker 2: was like six ' eight across the board and the switchbole,

732
00:44:36,440 --> 00:44:38,960
Speaker 2: so like you had to find ways to like you.

733
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Speaker 2: But those teams played like that the entire season, and

734
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Speaker 2: the Clemson teams that I was on, we pressured the

735
00:44:45,640 --> 00:44:47,759
Speaker 2: whole time and people had to adjust to us. But

736
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Speaker 2: very much along the same lines of what you're saying.

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Speaker 1: What else you got.

741
00:45:04,920 --> 00:45:08,400
Speaker 2: We used to do a thing now. We ran the

742
00:45:08,440 --> 00:45:12,160
Speaker 2: motion offense back at Clemson. Whenever I played, it was motion.

743
00:45:12,360 --> 00:45:14,279
Speaker 2: There's some dribble drive. We'd set a ball screen every

744
00:45:14,280 --> 00:45:16,640
Speaker 2: now and then, but it wasn't. We would play games

745
00:45:16,680 --> 00:45:20,120
Speaker 2: within practice where you had to hit X amount of

746
00:45:20,160 --> 00:45:22,759
Speaker 2: backscreens just depending on the team. You said, adapt to

747
00:45:22,760 --> 00:45:24,879
Speaker 2: the team that you're going to play against in order

748
00:45:24,880 --> 00:45:27,440
Speaker 2: to kind of get that muscle memory in there. So

749
00:45:27,760 --> 00:45:30,400
Speaker 2: we would do five on five, try to score, but

750
00:45:30,480 --> 00:45:33,960
Speaker 2: before you scored, you had to set x amount of backscreen,

751
00:45:34,040 --> 00:45:40,319
Speaker 2: six backscreens or down screens, or five slips on the ball,

752
00:45:40,480 --> 00:45:41,920
Speaker 2: just because if we knew that the five man was

753
00:45:41,920 --> 00:45:43,320
Speaker 2: going to jump out and hedge hard, we had to

754
00:45:43,360 --> 00:45:45,480
Speaker 2: be able to hit the slip and things like that.

755
00:45:45,520 --> 00:45:48,320
Speaker 2: You could only score off a slip, only off certain concepts.

756
00:45:48,360 --> 00:45:51,040
Speaker 2: And as a result, when game time came, we still

757
00:45:51,040 --> 00:45:53,319
Speaker 2: wouldn't call plays, but just because we'd been doing it

758
00:45:53,320 --> 00:45:55,440
Speaker 2: for two days, it kind of like bled into our

759
00:45:56,000 --> 00:45:58,600
Speaker 2: thing that was I was sitting here listening to how

760
00:45:58,640 --> 00:46:01,080
Speaker 2: you would adjust, and all those pacific calls are great,

761
00:46:01,440 --> 00:46:04,320
Speaker 2: especially but as the game moves faster and the team's

762
00:46:04,320 --> 00:46:06,320
Speaker 2: on the other end on offense, sometimes it's hard to

763
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Speaker 2: kind of rain them in like those two or three days.

764
00:46:09,280 --> 00:46:11,839
Speaker 2: Just to create many habits, I think many habits are

765
00:46:11,840 --> 00:46:13,600
Speaker 2: a big, big way of saying that when you're doing

766
00:46:13,640 --> 00:46:15,960
Speaker 2: five out motion those things, that's kind of.

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Speaker 1: Yes, well like like so I'll give you an example, Okay,

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Speaker 1: So then there's all different sorts of entries, all different

769
00:46:23,280 --> 00:46:25,640
Speaker 1: sorts of big hitters. But the basic premise of it

770
00:46:25,680 --> 00:46:29,359
Speaker 1: is if you're not open on AH and you're out

771
00:46:29,400 --> 00:46:31,759
Speaker 1: of forty five. You're back hunting and you're back heading

772
00:46:31,800 --> 00:46:32,280
Speaker 1: to score.

773
00:46:32,840 --> 00:46:33,080
Speaker 2: Sure.

774
00:46:33,520 --> 00:46:37,320
Speaker 1: Now if if they, and then you obviously have a

775
00:46:37,320 --> 00:46:39,600
Speaker 1: guy in the corner and he lifts to replace. Sure,

776
00:46:39,640 --> 00:46:41,640
Speaker 1: so you're constantly back hunting replace back in their place.

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00:46:41,719 --> 00:46:44,560
Speaker 1: But now look if they if the if the guy

778
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Speaker 1: in the corners man, if they you know, if if they,

779
00:46:47,480 --> 00:46:50,279
Speaker 1: you know, call out switch. Now we have an automatically

780
00:46:50,320 --> 00:46:55,919
Speaker 1: go to a flayer, you know, and and if when

781
00:46:56,200 --> 00:46:59,040
Speaker 1: you know, when you hit the wing, like the the

782
00:46:59,080 --> 00:47:05,000
Speaker 1: offense is design or side to side ball movement or

783
00:47:05,040 --> 00:47:09,520
Speaker 1: double gap drives. If you have a big, the rule

784
00:47:09,560 --> 00:47:11,479
Speaker 1: with the big is he can always dribble or pass

785
00:47:11,560 --> 00:47:13,800
Speaker 1: into a d H O and you have the floor

786
00:47:13,800 --> 00:47:18,560
Speaker 1: spaced around him. Sure, and it's it's really it's simple

787
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Speaker 1: as it is complex. And you just got to like,

788
00:47:21,680 --> 00:47:22,759
Speaker 1: like you said, you have to.

789
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Speaker 2: Like you have to have a lot of unselfish, smart,

790
00:47:27,239 --> 00:47:28,479
Speaker 2: unselfish cutters too.

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00:47:28,800 --> 00:47:31,680
Speaker 1: Correct correct, that's another big thing. Yeah, I agree. The

792
00:47:31,719 --> 00:47:34,960
Speaker 1: most unselfish play you can make in basketball two plays

793
00:47:35,560 --> 00:47:40,080
Speaker 1: all reversal and hard basketback. Because even when you're a

794
00:47:40,120 --> 00:47:43,800
Speaker 1: non shooter, you have to contend with a hard basketball. Yeah,

795
00:47:43,840 --> 00:47:47,880
Speaker 1: so you're dragging your man out of the play at

796
00:47:48,000 --> 00:47:51,040
Speaker 1: least temporarily, so that when you can get a gap

797
00:47:51,160 --> 00:47:53,520
Speaker 1: or a double gap drive right and with ball reversal

798
00:47:53,600 --> 00:47:56,520
Speaker 1: that it's the exact same thing. Want that ball humming,

799
00:47:56,680 --> 00:47:58,799
Speaker 1: that ball moving. Also, you have to be in a

800
00:47:58,840 --> 00:48:03,040
Speaker 1: really good shape, yeah, because if you don't cut hard

801
00:48:03,239 --> 00:48:05,279
Speaker 1: and you're lazy with it and you don't snap that

802
00:48:05,320 --> 00:48:08,280
Speaker 1: thing around, there's no real point and then it becomes stagnant.

803
00:48:08,320 --> 00:48:10,640
Speaker 1: And then it's like these terrible AAU games where it's

804
00:48:10,640 --> 00:48:12,239
Speaker 1: five out and just guys going one on one.

805
00:48:14,000 --> 00:48:17,400
Speaker 2: Huh. I'll tell you Hunter Tyson who got drafted. He

806
00:48:17,600 --> 00:48:20,160
Speaker 2: ended up being the second highest paid second round pick

807
00:48:20,239 --> 00:48:22,000
Speaker 2: last year for the Denver Nuggets. He's on the roster

808
00:48:22,120 --> 00:48:25,520
Speaker 2: right now. One of his best skills was the fact

809
00:48:25,560 --> 00:48:29,200
Speaker 2: that he was such a good cutter, and because he

810
00:48:29,360 --> 00:48:32,400
Speaker 2: added his three point shot later on, he was able

811
00:48:32,440 --> 00:48:34,719
Speaker 2: to benefit from those good cuts later and it ended

812
00:48:34,800 --> 00:48:37,279
Speaker 2: up getting him drafted. But like focusing on those other

813
00:48:37,320 --> 00:48:39,040
Speaker 2: things were just huge. Man, I'm happy for you. This

814
00:48:39,080 --> 00:48:42,759
Speaker 2: is great. This is great. This is something you've poked

815
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Speaker 2: in product around with for a long time. When was it?

816
00:48:44,760 --> 00:48:47,880
Speaker 2: When was kind of the I guess the moment you're like,

817
00:48:47,920 --> 00:48:50,799
Speaker 2: I'm ready to do this. I really want to pursue this,

818
00:48:50,920 --> 00:48:53,000
Speaker 2: Like it was there a specific moment. Was it something

819
00:48:53,040 --> 00:48:55,359
Speaker 2: you'd been milling about for a while. What was the

820
00:48:56,280 --> 00:48:58,880
Speaker 2: kind of the process for you, Because Doug, let's be honest,

821
00:48:58,920 --> 00:49:00,600
Speaker 2: like you're almost on the top. You're almost on the

822
00:49:00,600 --> 00:49:03,360
Speaker 2: top of where you're at, like you've done it. Yeah,

823
00:49:03,400 --> 00:49:05,360
Speaker 2: but two people outside looking.

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Speaker 1: In, Okay, I appreciate, I would say. So in two

825
00:49:11,239 --> 00:49:15,560
Speaker 1: thousand and two thousand, I won't give the away the year. Okay, well,

826
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Speaker 1: I'll give away the year because it doesn't matter. I

827
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Speaker 1: think it was two thousand and eight the Final four,

828
00:49:19,080 --> 00:49:20,520
Speaker 1: this is your senior year.

829
00:49:21,960 --> 00:49:24,000
Speaker 2: No, that would have been. That was my in my

830
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Speaker 2: freshman year.

831
00:49:24,560 --> 00:49:27,200
Speaker 1: Okay, so two thousand and eight Final four. I was

832
00:49:27,239 --> 00:49:31,239
Speaker 1: San Antonio, I believe in Kansas shot. So I interviewed

833
00:49:31,600 --> 00:49:34,360
Speaker 1: for a job. I was thirty two. I interviewed for

834
00:49:34,360 --> 00:49:36,480
Speaker 1: a job. First time I ever did it. And it

835
00:49:36,560 --> 00:49:40,840
Speaker 1: was again relationship based, and heyge ever thought about doing this.

836
00:49:40,880 --> 00:49:44,759
Speaker 1: And I remember walking out of and the guys in

837
00:49:44,800 --> 00:49:47,440
Speaker 1: the athletic director who's a very powerful athletic director now

838
00:49:49,120 --> 00:49:52,680
Speaker 1: said you know, look, I don't know if I can

839
00:49:52,719 --> 00:49:56,239
Speaker 1: do this, but just be an assistant coach for a

840
00:49:56,360 --> 00:50:00,359
Speaker 1: year or two, you would, you'd definitely get the shop.

841
00:50:01,360 --> 00:50:05,000
Speaker 1: And so I walked out of the room at the

842
00:50:05,239 --> 00:50:08,799
Speaker 1: coach's hotel and I was in the lobby and I

843
00:50:08,840 --> 00:50:14,360
Speaker 1: saw like two thousand dudes, yeah, you know, all having polos,

844
00:50:14,800 --> 00:50:19,879
Speaker 1: most of them having a resume handy, you know, and

845
00:50:19,960 --> 00:50:24,640
Speaker 1: they were all talking about it, right, We're all trying

846
00:50:24,640 --> 00:50:27,000
Speaker 1: to get jobs. And I remember thinking, like at the

847
00:50:27,000 --> 00:50:29,719
Speaker 1: time I'm in ESPN, like there's like fifty of us

848
00:50:29,840 --> 00:50:34,080
Speaker 1: who get to cover the sport, or there's now three

849
00:50:34,200 --> 00:50:38,080
Speaker 1: hundred and sixty one and sixty two Division one teams.

850
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Speaker 1: Now you have five guys on staff, Like you're just

851
00:50:40,360 --> 00:50:43,719
Speaker 1: putting yourself into this massive pool, sure, and hoping you

852
00:50:43,760 --> 00:50:45,600
Speaker 1: stand out. So I always thought that it was a

853
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Speaker 1: strength to not do it it separated you had made

854
00:50:48,680 --> 00:50:57,520
Speaker 1: you me, I've kind of privately come in second ten times. Really, Yeah,

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Speaker 1: And so somebody did.

856
00:50:58,520 --> 00:51:00,440
Speaker 2: They did, like ads just weren't ready to make that

857
00:51:00,600 --> 00:51:03,960
Speaker 2: jump for a guy that didn't have that assistant experience

858
00:51:04,000 --> 00:51:04,840
Speaker 2: is what has come down.

859
00:51:04,719 --> 00:51:07,200
Speaker 1: To, sure. I mean like look, Oklahoma State hired Steve

860
00:51:07,280 --> 00:51:09,160
Speaker 1: Lets this year, and they just told me they're like, look,

861
00:51:09,760 --> 00:51:12,080
Speaker 1: they had interviewed me when they hired Mike Boyden, and

862
00:51:13,600 --> 00:51:15,520
Speaker 1: I think that would have been that that probably would

863
00:51:15,520 --> 00:51:17,880
Speaker 1: have been a time when it would have fit. But

864
00:51:17,920 --> 00:51:20,520
Speaker 1: they just said, hey, like, look we hired Mike and

865
00:51:20,560 --> 00:51:22,960
Speaker 1: he was fairly an experience. We feel like we have

866
00:51:23,080 --> 00:51:26,000
Speaker 1: to hire somebody who's been a head coach sitting head coach.

867
00:51:26,840 --> 00:51:29,120
Speaker 1: That was just how they thought and that was their

868
00:51:29,239 --> 00:51:32,239
Speaker 1: that was their prerequisite, right, Like some some jobs you

869
00:51:32,280 --> 00:51:36,400
Speaker 1: have to have a master's degreaty. Sure, you know, every

870
00:51:36,480 --> 00:51:40,680
Speaker 1: time you get close you start to it's like, at

871
00:51:40,680 --> 00:51:43,440
Speaker 1: what point do I look at Zillow? At what point

872
00:51:43,480 --> 00:51:45,719
Speaker 1: do I at what point do I think this could

873
00:51:45,760 --> 00:51:49,280
Speaker 1: be real? Like I remember when they hired Mike Dunleavy

874
00:51:50,200 --> 00:51:55,640
Speaker 1: at Tulane, the athletic director who just obviously just took

875
00:51:55,680 --> 00:52:02,520
Speaker 1: the Nebraska job from from Washington. Was was that two

876
00:52:02,600 --> 00:52:04,720
Speaker 1: lane at the time, and he had come from Northern Iowa,

877
00:52:05,600 --> 00:52:09,640
Speaker 1: and I just I remember that. I was He's like, well,

878
00:52:09,680 --> 00:52:11,520
Speaker 1: you're a finalist, Y're one of two for this thing,

879
00:52:11,920 --> 00:52:14,399
Speaker 1: and like at that point in time, I'm like ooh, okay,

880
00:52:14,480 --> 00:52:16,840
Speaker 1: let's look at some real estate, let's start thinking about schools,

881
00:52:16,880 --> 00:52:19,439
Speaker 1: let's start, you know, start doing all the different things. Sure,

882
00:52:19,920 --> 00:52:23,600
Speaker 1: and it just obviously it feels like rejection when you

883
00:52:23,600 --> 00:52:28,680
Speaker 1: don't get it. So there was and then this year

884
00:52:28,719 --> 00:52:32,120
Speaker 1: when the letst thing didn't come to when the Oklahoma

885
00:52:32,160 --> 00:52:35,600
Speaker 1: State thing didn't come to be, there was definitely. I

886
00:52:35,640 --> 00:52:40,239
Speaker 1: have a really two really close friends, was like, look,

887
00:52:40,280 --> 00:52:43,680
Speaker 1: you are born to do this, but no one's going

888
00:52:43,760 --> 00:52:46,000
Speaker 1: to hire you as ED. They won't take that risk.

889
00:52:46,760 --> 00:52:51,400
Speaker 1: These hafifitic directors are risk averse, averse averse. And I

890
00:52:51,480 --> 00:52:54,040
Speaker 1: was like, all, I got it. You know, it's like baseball.

891
00:52:54,080 --> 00:52:57,840
Speaker 1: It takes us one, you know, and it has to

892
00:52:57,840 --> 00:52:59,759
Speaker 1: all make sense. So this one all makes sense. You

893
00:52:59,840 --> 00:53:02,560
Speaker 1: might ad was head coaching W Milwaukee when I was born,

894
00:53:03,120 --> 00:53:09,319
Speaker 1: so it's in the same state system. And I'm just, yeah,

895
00:53:09,320 --> 00:53:11,919
Speaker 1: so when did it become a It's always been there

896
00:53:13,120 --> 00:53:15,879
Speaker 1: and it's never gotten to the place to where you're like, yeah,

897
00:53:15,880 --> 00:53:18,799
Speaker 1: I don't want to do this. This year I helped

898
00:53:18,800 --> 00:53:23,319
Speaker 1: out Oaklaham State as consultant, and it made me want

899
00:53:23,360 --> 00:53:25,759
Speaker 1: to be a head coach more, but an assistant coach

900
00:53:25,760 --> 00:53:31,600
Speaker 1: a little bit less, not because Mike's not because Mike's

901
00:53:31,600 --> 00:53:36,600
Speaker 1: not awesome, but just the when you're in our position,

902
00:53:36,880 --> 00:53:40,560
Speaker 1: or it's my position broadcasting, like I don't especially since

903
00:53:40,640 --> 00:53:42,920
Speaker 1: leaving ESPN, Like I don't really have anybody telling me

904
00:53:43,000 --> 00:53:46,799
Speaker 1: what I can say what I can't say. I just

905
00:53:46,840 --> 00:53:49,799
Speaker 1: have to know where the third rail topics are. And

906
00:53:49,840 --> 00:53:52,960
Speaker 1: there's not that many layers above me. You know. I

907
00:53:52,960 --> 00:53:55,880
Speaker 1: have a couple of bosses, and I have to I

908
00:53:55,920 --> 00:53:58,359
Speaker 1: have to do what they asked me to do, and

909
00:53:58,440 --> 00:54:00,400
Speaker 1: other than that, I go and do my job. When

910
00:54:00,440 --> 00:54:03,799
Speaker 1: you're an assistant coach, you have the you have the

911
00:54:03,800 --> 00:54:07,560
Speaker 1: other assistants who are at or above your level around you.

912
00:54:07,560 --> 00:54:09,920
Speaker 1: You have the head coach, you have the athletic director,

913
00:54:10,280 --> 00:54:12,880
Speaker 1: you have the president, you have the board, you have

914
00:54:12,960 --> 00:54:15,359
Speaker 1: the boosters, you got the players, you got all this

915
00:54:15,400 --> 00:54:17,880
Speaker 1: other stuff. So it's just like so many layers, like

916
00:54:19,200 --> 00:54:24,759
Speaker 1: I don't know, And Chris Beard is like, dude, just bro,

917
00:54:25,160 --> 00:54:27,600
Speaker 1: take a D three job one year, you win. Take

918
00:54:27,600 --> 00:54:30,359
Speaker 1: a D two chap you win. Like what his path was, Yeah,

919
00:54:30,600 --> 00:54:34,799
Speaker 1: I'm like I don't know, and like this, I do

920
00:54:34,920 --> 00:54:39,279
Speaker 1: not think this will be easy because every coach in

921
00:54:39,320 --> 00:54:41,719
Speaker 1: that league is trying to do the exact same thing

922
00:54:42,320 --> 00:54:42,960
Speaker 1: I'm trying.

923
00:54:42,719 --> 00:54:45,600
Speaker 2: To right, Yep. I was about to ask that was

924
00:54:45,600 --> 00:54:48,239
Speaker 2: going to be my next question about the horizon, like

925
00:54:48,280 --> 00:54:50,920
Speaker 2: what what made what gives you confidence going in the horizon?

926
00:54:51,080 --> 00:54:54,200
Speaker 2: Just this this question is more of like what you'll get.

927
00:54:54,320 --> 00:54:56,200
Speaker 1: I don't think it's I don't think it's I don't

928
00:54:56,200 --> 00:54:56,960
Speaker 1: think it's going to mean.

929
00:54:57,280 --> 00:54:59,239
Speaker 2: No, that's not what I mean. That's not what I mean.

930
00:55:00,040 --> 00:55:02,799
Speaker 1: Listen, what did us? A big thing? I thought, and look,

931
00:55:04,320 --> 00:55:08,799
Speaker 1: Sonny did a great job. But my perception of the

932
00:55:08,960 --> 00:55:14,000
Speaker 1: job was that it's easier to go from four wins

933
00:55:14,040 --> 00:55:16,759
Speaker 1: to I thought fifteen to seventeen was a good target.

934
00:55:16,760 --> 00:55:18,920
Speaker 1: You won eighteen. I thought it was easier to go

935
00:55:19,000 --> 00:55:22,000
Speaker 1: from more to fifteen to seventeen than it is to

936
00:55:22,040 --> 00:55:26,880
Speaker 1: go from eighteen to twenty five. Like that's that's a

937
00:55:27,360 --> 00:55:28,279
Speaker 1: way harder job.

938
00:55:29,719 --> 00:55:32,000
Speaker 2: That's like going from shooting eighty two on the golf

939
00:55:32,040 --> 00:55:35,359
Speaker 2: course to shooting seventy five. Big difference of getting from

940
00:55:35,360 --> 00:55:38,719
Speaker 2: one hundred to eighty than eighty like seventy two. Like

941
00:55:38,960 --> 00:55:39,520
Speaker 2: you know what I mean?

942
00:55:40,200 --> 00:55:44,680
Speaker 1: Perfect example, Yeah, perfect example. So it's a.

943
00:55:44,600 --> 00:55:47,319
Speaker 2: Well coached league, Like there's good coaches up and down there.

944
00:55:47,320 --> 00:55:49,320
Speaker 2: That's going to be fun. That's going to be challenging,

945
00:55:49,320 --> 00:55:49,920
Speaker 2: It's gonna be fun.

946
00:55:49,960 --> 00:55:51,719
Speaker 1: I mean, Greg Campy has been doing it since I

947
00:55:51,800 --> 00:55:56,759
Speaker 1: was in school, right right. Yeah, that's crazy, that's great,

948
00:55:56,840 --> 00:55:58,520
Speaker 1: crazy to think of it, crazy to think of it

949
00:55:58,520 --> 00:56:01,560
Speaker 1: that way. But yeah, I mean there's they're good basketball.

950
00:56:01,600 --> 00:56:04,360
Speaker 1: It's a good basketball league in a part of the

951
00:56:04,400 --> 00:56:07,120
Speaker 1: country that likes college basketball. They don't have football, they

952
00:56:07,120 --> 00:56:08,760
Speaker 1: don't have football program. So it's important.

953
00:56:09,440 --> 00:56:11,879
Speaker 2: And as soon as the Packers are done, it's all you.

954
00:56:11,960 --> 00:56:12,840
Speaker 2: As soon as the Packers.

955
00:56:13,560 --> 00:56:15,600
Speaker 1: And by the way, I was never a Jordan Love

956
00:56:15,640 --> 00:56:20,040
Speaker 1: hater like I Copie like I was, I believed in

957
00:56:20,080 --> 00:56:20,680
Speaker 1: the process.

958
00:56:21,080 --> 00:56:22,759
Speaker 2: That is going to wear a cheese head to his

959
00:56:22,760 --> 00:56:23,920
Speaker 2: press conference.

960
00:56:23,920 --> 00:56:27,920
Speaker 1: No question, that's a great call. Okay, so so so

961
00:56:28,120 --> 00:56:32,080
Speaker 1: press conference, press conference? What are the don'ts? What are

962
00:56:32,120 --> 00:56:33,600
Speaker 1: the dews?

963
00:56:36,080 --> 00:56:38,440
Speaker 2: I think the biggest thing is don't try to be

964
00:56:38,520 --> 00:56:41,560
Speaker 2: too funny because it can flop like that would be my.

965
00:56:42,120 --> 00:56:45,719
Speaker 1: No one knows that better than you boys, right, No

966
00:56:45,760 --> 00:56:48,319
Speaker 1: one knows that better than your boy. No.

967
00:56:48,520 --> 00:56:51,719
Speaker 2: I think the biggest thing with press conference is I

968
00:56:51,760 --> 00:56:55,799
Speaker 2: think just I think at some places it's easy to

969
00:56:55,840 --> 00:56:58,799
Speaker 2: sell hope. I think at a place that like Green Bay,

970
00:56:58,840 --> 00:57:03,440
Speaker 2: who had eighteen wins, it's it's being able to sell progress.

971
00:57:03,920 --> 00:57:06,000
Speaker 2: Am I wrong in thinking that? Like, because you just.

972
00:57:07,920 --> 00:57:11,680
Speaker 1: Think I think I'm like this message, just like, look,

973
00:57:12,200 --> 00:57:17,000
Speaker 1: there's nothing I can say right now, zero that legitimately

974
00:57:17,800 --> 00:57:21,760
Speaker 1: will make you believe that this is the right thing.

975
00:57:22,520 --> 00:57:25,640
Speaker 1: So give me the ability to show you, you.

976
00:57:25,600 --> 00:57:29,000
Speaker 2: Know, And I'm just happy that I got the chance

977
00:57:29,040 --> 00:57:29,480
Speaker 2: to show.

978
00:57:29,360 --> 00:57:32,280
Speaker 1: It right work, Like listen, words are great, and I

979
00:57:32,320 --> 00:57:34,840
Speaker 1: can give the best motivational talk in the world about

980
00:57:34,880 --> 00:57:36,920
Speaker 1: the difference between because the other part of that Adidas

981
00:57:36,920 --> 00:57:40,120
Speaker 1: talk was good to great and the little things that

982
00:57:40,160 --> 00:57:42,560
Speaker 1: you do every day, Yeah, how.

983
00:57:42,520 --> 00:57:43,160
Speaker 4: You doing things?

984
00:57:43,200 --> 00:57:44,880
Speaker 2: How you do everything right?

985
00:57:45,000 --> 00:57:46,800
Speaker 1: And the little things that you do every day are

986
00:57:46,800 --> 00:57:48,400
Speaker 1: going to decide whether you want to be good or

987
00:57:48,400 --> 00:57:50,160
Speaker 1: whether you want to be great. We all know what

988
00:57:50,160 --> 00:57:53,360
Speaker 1: they are, Okay, we all know what they are. And

989
00:57:53,920 --> 00:57:56,800
Speaker 1: all of us, once our basketball crewers are over, we

990
00:57:56,880 --> 00:58:00,240
Speaker 1: know the decisions we made. Like I'm sore, I don't

991
00:58:00,240 --> 00:58:02,400
Speaker 1: want to go shoot extra like a right, you know,

992
00:58:02,840 --> 00:58:04,400
Speaker 1: so you don't want to make extra in the games,

993
00:58:04,880 --> 00:58:07,920
Speaker 1: And everybody's made that decision. But the point is that

994
00:58:08,000 --> 00:58:11,040
Speaker 1: I can give the greatest motivational talk on Earth and

995
00:58:11,040 --> 00:58:13,920
Speaker 1: you walk away and you'll say, but it doesn't actually matter.

996
00:58:13,960 --> 00:58:17,440
Speaker 1: What matters is you know one Stovest starts, what does

997
00:58:17,480 --> 00:58:21,520
Speaker 1: it look like? And you know I'm a character over

998
00:58:21,600 --> 00:58:26,080
Speaker 1: talent guy. And you can be missing you know, at

999
00:58:26,080 --> 00:58:29,120
Speaker 1: that level you're going to be missing something sure, because

1000
00:58:29,120 --> 00:58:31,400
Speaker 1: if you weren't, you would be playing at Wisconsin, at

1001
00:58:31,440 --> 00:58:35,680
Speaker 1: Minnesota Michigan and Michigan State or whatever. You're missing something, right,

1002
00:58:36,040 --> 00:58:39,960
Speaker 1: But you can't be missing toughness. You can't be missing competitives.

1003
00:58:40,960 --> 00:58:43,920
Speaker 1: You know, you can't be missing character. If you if

1004
00:58:43,960 --> 00:58:46,880
Speaker 1: you have those three, I can work with the well

1005
00:58:46,920 --> 00:58:49,720
Speaker 1: coach can't really shoot like I couldn't shoot. It's gonna

1006
00:58:49,760 --> 00:58:55,360
Speaker 1: make it work right, right, right. So that's the that's

1007
00:58:55,640 --> 00:58:58,680
Speaker 1: kind of the message is I'm gonna I can tell

1008
00:58:58,720 --> 00:59:00,840
Speaker 1: you a lot of great things, but you know, let

1009
00:59:00,920 --> 00:59:03,400
Speaker 1: me show you. And that's that's what this is. That's

1010
00:59:03,400 --> 00:59:07,680
Speaker 1: what this is. I've done the talking for twenty years

1011
00:59:07,720 --> 00:59:11,400
Speaker 1: is holy shit, twenty one years. Yeah, now we get

1012
00:59:11,400 --> 00:59:13,480
Speaker 1: to see if I can do the get to doing Yeah.

1013
00:59:13,680 --> 00:59:18,920
Speaker 2: Thanks exciting, Hey, serious question, don't break the weather situation

1014
00:59:19,000 --> 00:59:20,400
Speaker 2: you're in California.

1015
00:59:19,920 --> 00:59:25,040
Speaker 1: Now weatherwise, it's really funny. One of the one of

1016
00:59:25,040 --> 00:59:28,080
Speaker 1: the gentlemen who I'm going to try and hire, and

1017
00:59:28,160 --> 00:59:30,200
Speaker 1: I said, hey man, he's in southern California too. I

1018
00:59:30,240 --> 00:59:32,520
Speaker 1: was like, hey man, you know it's fucking cold there.

1019
00:59:32,920 --> 00:59:33,680
Speaker 2: It's freezing.

1020
00:59:34,000 --> 00:59:36,720
Speaker 1: And he's like, Douggie, did Jim have heat?

1021
00:59:36,920 --> 00:59:37,200
Speaker 2: Yep?

1022
00:59:37,920 --> 00:59:41,760
Speaker 1: Coach office have heat? Yep? Does the wait room have heat?

1023
00:59:41,840 --> 00:59:42,120
Speaker 2: Yep?

1024
00:59:42,640 --> 00:59:44,680
Speaker 1: Got a sound system? We can live ways too, yep.

1025
00:59:45,520 --> 00:59:46,760
Speaker 1: What's the problem there?

1026
00:59:46,800 --> 00:59:49,480
Speaker 2: You go, well, what do they ask Thibodeaux on the

1027
00:59:49,480 --> 00:59:51,080
Speaker 2: All Star Break? Where are you going for All Star Break?

1028
00:59:51,120 --> 00:59:57,520
Speaker 2: He said, it's seventy four in the office. There's your question.

1029
00:59:57,680 --> 00:59:59,280
Speaker 2: There's your answer right there, if youybody asked me.

1030
01:00:01,320 --> 01:00:05,520
Speaker 1: The reality of OTO is like, you know, I mean,

1031
01:00:06,480 --> 01:00:07,800
Speaker 1: you know, I don't know how Beheim did it for

1032
01:00:07,800 --> 01:00:12,840
Speaker 1: forty years. You know, whatever, Holy shit, it will they'll

1033
01:00:12,880 --> 01:00:15,160
Speaker 1: they'll there'll be more. There'll be mornings when you get

1034
01:00:15,160 --> 01:00:16,880
Speaker 1: out and go in the car and you're like, what

1035
01:00:16,960 --> 01:00:17,439
Speaker 1: am I doing?

1036
01:00:17,880 --> 01:00:22,120
Speaker 2: Yeah, but you know, you get used to it though,

1037
01:00:22,200 --> 01:00:23,640
Speaker 2: I mean, I played this week.

1038
01:00:23,760 --> 01:00:27,360
Speaker 1: It's just day, not just that, like it's it's an

1039
01:00:27,400 --> 01:00:34,720
Speaker 1: opportunity of a lifetime. And like look again, I I

1040
01:00:34,720 --> 01:00:38,120
Speaker 1: I don't want prisoners. I want you know, I want volunteers,

1041
01:00:38,120 --> 01:00:42,400
Speaker 1: not prisoners, you know, and I'm one of them, right,

1042
01:00:42,480 --> 01:00:46,880
Speaker 1: I am choosing to do this. I'm handing over the

1043
01:00:46,920 --> 01:00:50,120
Speaker 1: ability to be a college basketball analyst because I'm choosing

1044
01:00:50,160 --> 01:00:52,680
Speaker 1: to do this. I want to be here. You don't

1045
01:00:52,680 --> 01:00:56,320
Speaker 1: want to be here, that's okay, Like that's great, that's

1046
01:00:56,360 --> 01:00:59,840
Speaker 1: fine identified as you don't. But I'm so in terms

1047
01:00:59,840 --> 01:01:02,680
Speaker 1: of my family dynamic of it, like we've lived everywhere.

1048
01:01:03,120 --> 01:01:06,280
Speaker 1: It's like anybody in Wisconsin. The summers are amazing, but

1049
01:01:06,400 --> 01:01:08,000
Speaker 1: on the summerfest in Milwaukee, I don't know if you

1050
01:01:08,000 --> 01:01:12,000
Speaker 1: have been awesome. You know, the falls are nice, a

1051
01:01:12,000 --> 01:01:15,600
Speaker 1: little short, and then you know, winterers are spend in

1052
01:01:15,600 --> 01:01:19,120
Speaker 1: the gym anyway, right, so Winner's just spent in the gym.

1053
01:01:19,200 --> 01:01:21,760
Speaker 1: And oh yeah, by the way, schedule smartly, right, Like, hey,

1054
01:01:21,760 --> 01:01:23,680
Speaker 1: if we're going to go take an ass whopping, let's

1055
01:01:23,720 --> 01:01:27,240
Speaker 1: go take an asshooping in California or Florida, Arizona. Yeah,

1056
01:01:28,280 --> 01:01:29,680
Speaker 1: you know, at least we walk out of the gym.

1057
01:01:29,680 --> 01:01:32,640
Speaker 1: We can do so in shorts and flip flops. But no,

1058
01:01:33,280 --> 01:01:37,720
Speaker 1: all seriousness, Like I get it I've lived. I mean,

1059
01:01:38,000 --> 01:01:40,520
Speaker 1: living in South Bend come from California was really hard

1060
01:01:40,560 --> 01:01:42,800
Speaker 1: for me because South Bend it's not just the it's

1061
01:01:42,800 --> 01:01:46,040
Speaker 1: not just the cold. The lake effect, well, the wind,

1062
01:01:46,080 --> 01:01:49,919
Speaker 1: but the lake effect is a real thing, right where

1063
01:01:49,920 --> 01:01:54,960
Speaker 1: it's like opra casty, so to whatever, like every day

1064
01:01:55,000 --> 01:02:01,840
Speaker 1: the sun never ever comes out, So I uh, yeah,

1065
01:02:01,880 --> 01:02:04,600
Speaker 1: I mean I'm there for it. Like like it's like

1066
01:02:04,920 --> 01:02:09,520
Speaker 1: I I'd never gone skiing until probably like fifteen years ago, day,

1067
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Speaker 1: ten years ago or something. Nah, it's probably twenty eleven

1068
01:02:12,840 --> 01:02:16,120
Speaker 1: years she's yeah, thirteen years ago. I remember coming home

1069
01:02:16,160 --> 01:02:19,400
Speaker 1: and hey, you're going skiing today, And I didn't go

1070
01:02:19,440 --> 01:02:22,840
Speaker 1: skiing one because obviously basketball players knees crashing.

1071
01:02:23,280 --> 01:02:26,560
Speaker 2: But the award situation for skiing is just not there,

1072
01:02:26,680 --> 01:02:27,480
Speaker 2: like yeah.

1073
01:02:27,320 --> 01:02:30,920
Speaker 1: Right, but I also like, I don't really like the

1074
01:02:30,920 --> 01:02:34,680
Speaker 1: cold that much. Right, But what I found is, you know,

1075
01:02:34,800 --> 01:02:38,040
Speaker 1: if you cover the parts that get cold and you

1076
01:02:38,040 --> 01:02:43,400
Speaker 1: you're properly, you're fine. Yeah, so you know, I'll break

1077
01:02:44,160 --> 01:02:46,720
Speaker 1: the hands. I'm miss driving. I'm miss driving a truck.

1078
01:02:47,640 --> 01:02:51,400
Speaker 1: I want to get a truck driving a truck. So

1079
01:02:51,480 --> 01:02:52,960
Speaker 1: get a truck where you can press one of those

1080
01:02:52,960 --> 01:02:58,280
Speaker 1: buttons where it's already heeded up right, right, Yeah, So

1081
01:02:58,600 --> 01:03:01,840
Speaker 1: what you do is you get a you have the garage, okay,

1082
01:03:02,240 --> 01:03:05,880
Speaker 1: and you open the garage door, press the button. Truck's

1083
01:03:05,880 --> 01:03:09,120
Speaker 1: already warm and the only cold is from the walk

1084
01:03:09,200 --> 01:03:12,680
Speaker 1: from into your garage to your car and from your

1085
01:03:12,720 --> 01:03:16,680
Speaker 1: car to the gym. That's pretty easy, right, Yeah. But

1086
01:03:17,800 --> 01:03:19,439
Speaker 1: as much as we're talking about being in the gym

1087
01:03:19,480 --> 01:03:22,240
Speaker 1: all the time, like the truth is, I do want

1088
01:03:22,280 --> 01:03:25,520
Speaker 1: to do it differently, And this is I don't believe.

1089
01:03:25,520 --> 01:03:27,240
Speaker 1: I don't think kids today can practice too in a

1090
01:03:27,240 --> 01:03:31,280
Speaker 1: half three hours. Mentally, you know, I'd rather I'd rather

1091
01:03:31,320 --> 01:03:35,920
Speaker 1: go short twice, bring them back, you know, skill development

1092
01:03:36,040 --> 01:03:40,960
Speaker 1: in the morning, team practice in the afternoon, and so

1093
01:03:41,120 --> 01:03:43,560
Speaker 1: in in in short, in short bursts that way, because

1094
01:03:43,600 --> 01:03:48,280
Speaker 1: they just I have ADHD and I wasn't raised on

1095
01:03:48,320 --> 01:03:52,040
Speaker 1: a phone, and I can't imagine everybody else. And then

1096
01:03:52,200 --> 01:03:55,040
Speaker 1: you know, even for coaches meetings, you know, like I

1097
01:03:55,080 --> 01:03:57,120
Speaker 1: don't I don't know what it was like with Brad Burnell,

1098
01:03:57,200 --> 01:04:00,480
Speaker 1: but like you don't have to be in an office

1099
01:04:00,720 --> 01:04:03,120
Speaker 1: every day having a coaches meeting and have to be

1100
01:04:03,160 --> 01:04:05,520
Speaker 1: super stuffy, Like if I have a nice house, like

1101
01:04:05,560 --> 01:04:07,560
Speaker 1: guys come over, have breakfast, Let's have a meeting. Let's

1102
01:04:07,680 --> 01:04:09,760
Speaker 1: chop it up now, let's have our said time. We

1103
01:04:09,760 --> 01:04:12,320
Speaker 1: meet every week. You know when you got to get away,

1104
01:04:12,400 --> 01:04:14,160
Speaker 1: get away, have a good enough staff that if a

1105
01:04:14,200 --> 01:04:16,560
Speaker 1: guy has to go and go see his family, get

1106
01:04:16,600 --> 01:04:19,400
Speaker 1: out of town, have to go recruit like he's missed

1107
01:04:19,400 --> 01:04:21,880
Speaker 1: but not really missed. But also it feels like it

1108
01:04:21,880 --> 01:04:26,040
Speaker 1: doesn't feel like you're in the day. Yeah so, And

1109
01:04:26,080 --> 01:04:28,560
Speaker 1: I think that helps with the weather is you know,

1110
01:04:28,640 --> 01:04:30,240
Speaker 1: findy times to get away and ten times.

1111
01:04:30,280 --> 01:04:32,080
Speaker 2: If guys just feel like they're appreciated, they're going to

1112
01:04:32,120 --> 01:04:34,120
Speaker 2: hang around and they're going to be happy doing their job.

1113
01:04:34,160 --> 01:04:36,720
Speaker 2: That's the biggest thing. That's more than anything. Players too.

1114
01:04:37,200 --> 01:04:40,840
Speaker 2: If guys are feeling like they're appreciated, then everything should

1115
01:04:40,840 --> 01:04:44,520
Speaker 2: turn out all right. Now, there's gonna be some obviously losses.

1116
01:04:44,520 --> 01:04:45,960
Speaker 2: You have guys that play well, they're gonna be gone

1117
01:04:45,960 --> 01:04:48,200
Speaker 2: no matter what. There's just nothing you can do. How

1118
01:04:48,240 --> 01:04:50,800
Speaker 2: do you feel about that part? That part's going to

1119
01:04:50,840 --> 01:04:53,840
Speaker 2: be hard because they say you bring into studs, they're

1120
01:04:53,880 --> 01:04:58,800
Speaker 2: there for a year, see you sucks. That part sucks, sucks.

1121
01:05:00,000 --> 01:05:02,360
Speaker 1: Realistic where yeah, you're gonna you're gonna develop a kid.

1122
01:05:02,400 --> 01:05:03,960
Speaker 1: You're gonna find a kid that other people missed on

1123
01:05:04,400 --> 01:05:06,200
Speaker 1: and then somebody's gonna offer him a bag of money.

1124
01:05:06,240 --> 01:05:09,439
Speaker 1: And you got to go like you do, like, can't

1125
01:05:09,480 --> 01:05:09,720
Speaker 1: keep you?

1126
01:05:10,240 --> 01:05:12,360
Speaker 2: Yeah, not only can I not keep you, Like it's

1127
01:05:12,360 --> 01:05:16,040
Speaker 2: irresponsible for me to tell you. I want you to say, yeah,

1128
01:05:16,160 --> 01:05:17,560
Speaker 2: that's that's the hard part.

1129
01:05:17,800 --> 01:05:21,000
Speaker 1: Right, so you know, but but that also helps with

1130
01:05:21,040 --> 01:05:23,600
Speaker 1: the sale for the next year, you know, tell me.

1131
01:05:23,800 --> 01:05:26,680
Speaker 1: So obviously they have a they had a player last

1132
01:05:26,760 --> 01:05:30,520
Speaker 1: year who averaged twenty a game, came in and hit

1133
01:05:30,600 --> 01:05:33,320
Speaker 1: the portal and I believe you know, got well into

1134
01:05:33,360 --> 01:05:37,720
Speaker 1: six figures to leave, And to me, that's that's actually

1135
01:05:37,760 --> 01:05:41,720
Speaker 1: a good thing for recruiting, Like, hey, dude, listen, we

1136
01:05:41,480 --> 01:05:44,520
Speaker 1: we don't have what other people have financially, but we

1137
01:05:44,560 --> 01:05:47,480
Speaker 1: have his opportunity and style of play, and look at

1138
01:05:47,520 --> 01:05:51,240
Speaker 1: what he did and now or he's benefiting where you

1139
01:05:51,280 --> 01:05:54,240
Speaker 1: can go to a higher level, but the next check

1140
01:05:54,320 --> 01:05:57,480
Speaker 1: is not going to be bigger, you know, whereas if

1141
01:05:57,520 --> 01:05:59,560
Speaker 1: you come out and play, then that next check is

1142
01:05:59,600 --> 01:06:01,640
Speaker 1: gonna be a bit your check, just like with coaches too, right,

1143
01:06:01,680 --> 01:06:04,560
Speaker 1: It's like it's no different, it's no different. So do

1144
01:06:04,640 --> 01:06:06,280
Speaker 1: I like it no, because I think it makes it

1145
01:06:06,360 --> 01:06:11,000
Speaker 1: really hard to have continuity and culture not impossible, and

1146
01:06:11,280 --> 01:06:14,200
Speaker 1: I think it's bad for fans because they don't like.

1147
01:06:14,240 --> 01:06:15,840
Speaker 1: One of the reasons the Caitlin Clark thing is so

1148
01:06:15,880 --> 01:06:17,840
Speaker 1: awesome is she was the same place for four years.

1149
01:06:18,160 --> 01:06:21,640
Speaker 1: Everybody knew when Iowa played, who's on Iowas roster, Whereas

1150
01:06:21,640 --> 01:06:23,600
Speaker 1: you and I like we keep up with it, like

1151
01:06:23,960 --> 01:06:26,040
Speaker 1: can you name how many guys can you name on

1152
01:06:26,200 --> 01:06:27,040
Speaker 1: Clemson's roster.

1153
01:06:28,720 --> 01:06:31,280
Speaker 2: They've actually done a decent job Chauncey, They've got well anyway,

1154
01:06:31,320 --> 01:06:33,360
Speaker 2: I get your point. I get your point, but but

1155
01:06:34,360 --> 01:06:37,360
Speaker 2: the they've done an okay job of that.

1156
01:06:37,520 --> 01:06:42,400
Speaker 1: But then again, that's gonna be that's gonna be their space,

1157
01:06:42,680 --> 01:06:46,000
Speaker 1: and I actually love that right. Retention is especially like

1158
01:06:46,040 --> 01:06:48,000
Speaker 1: at high majors, like I think the Purdue model is

1159
01:06:48,080 --> 01:06:52,280
Speaker 1: well right, where you focus on retention more than going

1160
01:06:52,320 --> 01:06:54,200
Speaker 1: to the portal, But you have to have a lot

1161
01:06:54,200 --> 01:06:57,160
Speaker 1: of money to do that. I think at at the

1162
01:06:57,200 --> 01:07:00,800
Speaker 1: mid major level, your best player you plan on losing

1163
01:07:00,840 --> 01:07:04,120
Speaker 1: every year, you know, That's that's just kind of what

1164
01:07:04,160 --> 01:07:06,800
Speaker 1: you gotta do. You fight to keep them.

1165
01:07:07,760 --> 01:07:09,080
Speaker 2: You can also get them back on the on the

1166
01:07:09,160 --> 01:07:11,480
Speaker 2: on the get back too though. Like some guys transfer up,

1167
01:07:11,480 --> 01:07:12,840
Speaker 2: they transfer right back because.

1168
01:07:12,760 --> 01:07:20,480
Speaker 1: Yeah, okay, Jeffrey, we broke the news on the pot already.

1169
01:07:20,560 --> 01:07:21,400
Speaker 1: So what do you think.

1170
01:07:22,720 --> 01:07:25,040
Speaker 4: I think you're crazy. I think you're insane.

1171
01:07:25,200 --> 01:07:30,439
Speaker 5: No, no, I'm happy for you, man. I congratulations, very cool.

1172
01:07:30,480 --> 01:07:32,040
Speaker 5: I know you've been trying to get into coaching for

1173
01:07:32,040 --> 01:07:35,840
Speaker 5: a little while here, and it's hard because you know,

1174
01:07:35,880 --> 01:07:38,960
Speaker 5: obviously you've got another career here and uh, and now

1175
01:07:39,360 --> 01:07:41,600
Speaker 5: to be able to kind of have dual careers is

1176
01:07:42,760 --> 01:07:45,040
Speaker 5: I think there's only one person on the planet that

1177
01:07:45,080 --> 01:07:49,040
Speaker 5: could do this, and you and I have worked together,

1178
01:07:49,240 --> 01:07:51,200
Speaker 5: we've been friends for a long time.

1179
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Speaker 4: I can say, as long as you have somebody that

1180
01:07:54,200 --> 01:07:54,760
Speaker 4: can tell.

1181
01:07:54,560 --> 01:07:57,400
Speaker 5: You where to go and when to go there, yes,

1182
01:07:57,840 --> 01:07:59,960
Speaker 5: then I think you're gonna be able to pull it off.

1183
01:08:00,040 --> 01:08:02,800
Speaker 5: But I listen, not too many people I think can

1184
01:08:02,840 --> 01:08:03,360
Speaker 5: pull it off.

1185
01:08:03,400 --> 01:08:06,280
Speaker 4: But as I tell people like you are kind of

1186
01:08:07,040 --> 01:08:09,200
Speaker 4: a unicorn in a lot of ways of being able

1187
01:08:09,240 --> 01:08:10,080
Speaker 4: to get.

1188
01:08:09,960 --> 01:08:15,080
Speaker 5: A million things done, you know, and and somehow figure

1189
01:08:15,120 --> 01:08:15,680
Speaker 5: it all out.

1190
01:08:15,800 --> 01:08:17,760
Speaker 4: And I think you'll figure this thing out.

1191
01:08:19,360 --> 01:08:22,200
Speaker 1: Appreciate it well. First, I mean, you've done a lot

1192
01:08:22,240 --> 01:08:25,040
Speaker 1: for me in the last couple of years that I

1193
01:08:25,040 --> 01:08:28,400
Speaker 1: I appreciate it. We both we both have people who

1194
01:08:28,760 --> 01:08:33,800
Speaker 1: in the industry can say negative shit, but the only

1195
01:08:33,840 --> 01:08:36,479
Speaker 1: thing that really matters is people who really know you

1196
01:08:37,240 --> 01:08:41,920
Speaker 1: and you're You're solid to me, so I you know,

1197
01:08:42,080 --> 01:08:44,160
Speaker 1: I don't know you pick the fights that you pick.

1198
01:08:44,760 --> 01:08:50,000
Speaker 1: My fights happened organically. Sometimes pick them, But for me,

1199
01:08:50,800 --> 01:08:52,599
Speaker 1: you've been a great friend of me, even Miss Booker,

1200
01:08:52,680 --> 01:08:58,000
Speaker 1: and I appreciate it. What if you put your reporter

1201
01:08:58,160 --> 01:09:04,520
Speaker 1: add on what would what would you most like to them?

1202
01:09:05,120 --> 01:09:08,200
Speaker 5: I mean, I think the biggest thing is why, like,

1203
01:09:08,439 --> 01:09:11,840
Speaker 5: why are you doing this at a time when most

1204
01:09:11,880 --> 01:09:14,759
Speaker 5: people do not want to deal with coaching in college

1205
01:09:14,840 --> 01:09:18,880
Speaker 5: basketball because it is a shit show between nil between

1206
01:09:19,200 --> 01:09:24,519
Speaker 5: you know, a major light Green Bay understanding that, like, dude, whoever,

1207
01:09:24,720 --> 01:09:26,960
Speaker 5: you're a minor league. I mean, that's that's what you

1208
01:09:27,040 --> 01:09:28,600
Speaker 5: are right now. If you've got a good player like

1209
01:09:28,680 --> 01:09:32,599
Speaker 5: Noah Reynolds, he's gone. He's gone, Like you can't keep him.

1210
01:09:32,680 --> 01:09:36,800
Speaker 5: You don't have the nil. The portal is insane, realignment,

1211
01:09:37,160 --> 01:09:40,160
Speaker 5: all this this stuff, it's a disaster right now.

1212
01:09:40,479 --> 01:09:43,559
Speaker 4: Why the hell would you want to do this right now?

1213
01:09:45,560 --> 01:09:46,240
Speaker 1: What'd your dad do?

1214
01:09:47,360 --> 01:09:48,320
Speaker 4: My dad was a.

1215
01:09:48,360 --> 01:09:53,040
Speaker 5: Clothing salesman selling retail stores, and he still works, believe

1216
01:09:53,080 --> 01:09:55,920
Speaker 5: it or not, at eighty one years old. He doesn't

1217
01:09:55,920 --> 01:09:57,800
Speaker 5: need to, but he works at a shoe a mom

1218
01:09:57,840 --> 01:10:00,640
Speaker 5: and pop shoe store four days a week because he

1219
01:10:00,720 --> 01:10:01,720
Speaker 5: needs to be around.

1220
01:10:01,479 --> 01:10:06,840
Speaker 1: People, no question. I love it well when your coach's

1221
01:10:06,880 --> 01:10:12,040
Speaker 1: son home is in a gym and I'm at a

1222
01:10:12,080 --> 01:10:14,080
Speaker 1: place in my life where I'm forty eight years old,

1223
01:10:15,439 --> 01:10:18,479
Speaker 1: and if I don't take this opportunity, I don't. I

1224
01:10:18,479 --> 01:10:21,360
Speaker 1: don't want to be sitting there when i'm your dad's age,

1225
01:10:21,560 --> 01:10:25,560
Speaker 1: going like I should have taken that Green Bay job now.

1226
01:10:26,200 --> 01:10:30,120
Speaker 1: And you and when you raise kids, you always tell

1227
01:10:30,160 --> 01:10:35,880
Speaker 1: them one try it, you might like it. And the

1228
01:10:35,920 --> 01:10:38,320
Speaker 1: other part too, It is you always, you know. I

1229
01:10:38,360 --> 01:10:40,920
Speaker 1: always tell my kids, you know, if you're if no

1230
01:10:40,920 --> 01:10:43,080
Speaker 1: one's laughing at your dreams, they might not be big.

1231
01:10:43,920 --> 01:10:45,760
Speaker 1: And I've had plenty of people laugh at me for

1232
01:10:45,800 --> 01:10:49,280
Speaker 1: saying I want to be a head coach. And I

1233
01:10:49,320 --> 01:10:51,760
Speaker 1: didn't want to go through the assistantround. I thought there's

1234
01:10:51,800 --> 01:10:54,479
Speaker 1: just too big a pool of people and it would

1235
01:10:54,520 --> 01:10:57,400
Speaker 1: take the right place, the right time, the right athletic director.

1236
01:10:58,240 --> 01:11:02,040
Speaker 1: And you don't take an opportunity one somebody else is

1237
01:11:02,080 --> 01:11:04,320
Speaker 1: and two you're never going to get that opportunity again.

1238
01:11:04,800 --> 01:11:07,400
Speaker 1: And like, look at the at the core of it.

1239
01:11:07,560 --> 01:11:10,799
Speaker 1: At this level, Yes, if you have a really good player,

1240
01:11:11,040 --> 01:11:15,000
Speaker 1: he's going to lead. Hey, that's you almost have to

1241
01:11:15,160 --> 01:11:16,839
Speaker 1: break that, you almost.

1242
01:11:17,360 --> 01:11:20,680
Speaker 5: I think it's a sales pitch now rather than fighting it,

1243
01:11:20,960 --> 01:11:23,560
Speaker 5: I think you have to sell the fact.

1244
01:11:23,240 --> 01:11:25,960
Speaker 4: That hey, we're going to get you here, we're going

1245
01:11:25,960 --> 01:11:26,600
Speaker 4: to develop you.

1246
01:11:26,960 --> 01:11:28,760
Speaker 5: And the goal is obviously if you can go to

1247
01:11:28,800 --> 01:11:31,240
Speaker 5: the you know, the NBA, that's the goal. But more,

1248
01:11:31,960 --> 01:11:35,240
Speaker 5: you know, more realistically, we're going to get you to

1249
01:11:35,280 --> 01:11:38,920
Speaker 5: where you can make you know, three four hundred grand

1250
01:11:39,520 --> 01:11:40,000
Speaker 5: and place.

1251
01:11:40,280 --> 01:11:43,280
Speaker 1: I mean like like listen, like listen. Noel Reynolds is

1252
01:11:43,320 --> 01:11:46,200
Speaker 1: a success story. Make no mistake about it, right, you know,

1253
01:11:46,479 --> 01:11:50,439
Speaker 1: I don't know what the actual figure he got from TCU. Hey,

1254
01:11:50,520 --> 01:11:53,120
Speaker 1: but he wasn't making that at Green Bay last year.

1255
01:11:53,360 --> 01:11:53,599
Speaker 4: Nope.

1256
01:11:53,880 --> 01:11:57,479
Speaker 1: And so yes, that is a that is a Hey,

1257
01:11:57,520 --> 01:12:00,240
Speaker 1: look man, you come here, you do it, you think

1258
01:12:00,280 --> 01:12:04,960
Speaker 1: we think you can do. You're gonna benefit from it. Now.

1259
01:12:05,040 --> 01:12:08,320
Speaker 1: Look we're gonna I'm gonna try as and call every

1260
01:12:08,360 --> 01:12:11,720
Speaker 1: person I know and and build up a base of

1261
01:12:11,840 --> 01:12:15,400
Speaker 1: nil so that we can we can retain as much

1262
01:12:15,439 --> 01:12:17,840
Speaker 1: as we can, because I think that's the way. I

1263
01:12:17,840 --> 01:12:19,759
Speaker 1: think that's the way to sustain it at any level.

1264
01:12:21,640 --> 01:12:24,599
Speaker 1: But in this but that's it more in the long term.

1265
01:12:24,640 --> 01:12:28,160
Speaker 1: Play in the short term, like this is kind of

1266
01:12:28,280 --> 01:12:33,760
Speaker 1: honestly what AU basketball is like. You know, it's the

1267
01:12:34,000 --> 01:12:36,759
Speaker 1: rosters ever evolving. You've got to go and get dudes,

1268
01:12:37,520 --> 01:12:41,559
Speaker 1: you know, and you know you have to you know,

1269
01:12:41,600 --> 01:12:44,280
Speaker 1: like an AAU basketball like I can tell you I have.

1270
01:12:44,560 --> 01:12:47,439
Speaker 1: I have the best fourteen U team in Caliburnia and

1271
01:12:48,200 --> 01:12:51,280
Speaker 1: more in layup lines, there's oftentimes I'm texting a parent,

1272
01:12:51,439 --> 01:12:59,360
Speaker 1: where are you? So? Uh. The point is, I actually

1273
01:12:59,360 --> 01:13:02,360
Speaker 1: think I'm more prepared for this style of college basketball.

1274
01:13:03,000 --> 01:13:06,400
Speaker 1: And you know, my trips to Israel, I believe I'm

1275
01:13:06,439 --> 01:13:11,040
Speaker 1: really good at building culture in short order and obviously

1276
01:13:11,080 --> 01:13:15,000
Speaker 1: that's that's that's paramount, right And so I've been able

1277
01:13:15,040 --> 01:13:19,799
Speaker 1: to do it with Maccabi, And you know, I think

1278
01:13:21,320 --> 01:13:23,800
Speaker 1: I want to try and build culture. I want to

1279
01:13:23,840 --> 01:13:26,439
Speaker 1: try and do something special. I want to connect with

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01:13:26,520 --> 01:13:29,760
Speaker 1: the community. I want a homecourt advantage. And oh yeah,

1281
01:13:29,760 --> 01:13:31,800
Speaker 1: by the way, when I wake up in the middle

1282
01:13:31,800 --> 01:13:34,599
Speaker 1: of the night, basketball is on my braining, so I

1283
01:13:34,640 --> 01:13:38,240
Speaker 1: want to try and see what that feels like, see

1284
01:13:38,280 --> 01:13:41,000
Speaker 1: what that looks like. Plus I like working with like

1285
01:13:41,040 --> 01:13:45,200
Speaker 1: minded people, and everyone I'm going to hire is like minded.

1286
01:13:45,439 --> 01:13:46,120
Speaker 1: So how are you?

1287
01:13:46,240 --> 01:13:47,639
Speaker 4: How are you going to do this? Dark?

1288
01:13:47,880 --> 01:13:48,280
Speaker 2: How are you?

1289
01:13:48,600 --> 01:13:50,559
Speaker 5: I want to know that too, as a media person

1290
01:13:50,640 --> 01:13:52,160
Speaker 5: who's worked with you on that end.

1291
01:13:52,520 --> 01:13:54,160
Speaker 4: And now you're going to coach and that's a full

1292
01:13:54,160 --> 01:13:56,840
Speaker 4: time job. I mean that's a sixty.

1293
01:13:56,600 --> 01:14:01,160
Speaker 5: Hour week job, maybe more. How are you going to

1294
01:14:01,240 --> 01:14:06,400
Speaker 5: do your radio show? How are you going to do coaching?

1295
01:14:07,240 --> 01:14:11,320
Speaker 5: And recruiting? And recruiting has changed? I mean that's actually

1296
01:14:11,640 --> 01:14:14,719
Speaker 5: I think the new age recruiting in the model helps

1297
01:14:14,760 --> 01:14:16,800
Speaker 5: you in a way because you're not flying all over

1298
01:14:16,800 --> 01:14:19,920
Speaker 5: the country to wave to a kid anymore. You're really

1299
01:14:20,080 --> 01:14:23,000
Speaker 5: hitting the portal and a lot of kids are going

1300
01:14:23,040 --> 01:14:25,679
Speaker 5: to commit without ever honestly coming.

1301
01:14:25,479 --> 01:14:27,200
Speaker 4: On a visit or you're going to see them.

1302
01:14:27,479 --> 01:14:31,280
Speaker 5: That's just the nature of where we're at with college basketball.

1303
01:14:30,880 --> 01:14:31,599
Speaker 4: Recruiting right now.

1304
01:14:31,600 --> 01:14:32,880
Speaker 5: But how are you going to how are you going

1305
01:14:32,920 --> 01:14:36,160
Speaker 5: to manage both jobs for the short at least for

1306
01:14:36,240 --> 01:14:39,280
Speaker 5: now and see if it works well?

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01:14:39,400 --> 01:14:44,320
Speaker 1: I told people at the Jewish Coaches Association Breakfast two

1308
01:14:44,400 --> 01:14:46,960
Speaker 1: years ago. If you get a job, you need to

1309
01:14:47,040 --> 01:14:54,559
Speaker 1: hire Matin. So kit was. We brought him to Israel

1310
01:14:55,240 --> 01:15:00,320
Speaker 1: and he's been on staff at Hartford and he's I've

1311
01:15:00,360 --> 01:15:03,920
Speaker 1: never seen any human being work as hard as he is.

1312
01:15:06,960 --> 01:15:09,160
Speaker 1: You'll love this. What do you think his job? What

1313
01:15:09,240 --> 01:15:10,559
Speaker 1: do you what do you think? I told him his job?

1314
01:15:10,880 --> 01:15:12,479
Speaker 1: His job's specs are.

1315
01:15:13,040 --> 01:15:16,200
Speaker 5: His job special are to make sure you get up

1316
01:15:16,240 --> 01:15:19,760
Speaker 5: on time in the morning to maybe have to He

1317
01:15:19,880 --> 01:15:21,120
Speaker 5: might be your roommate for au.

1318
01:15:22,160 --> 01:15:25,040
Speaker 1: I get get getting getting getting up is.

1319
01:15:27,040 --> 01:15:29,760
Speaker 4: Getting you from point A to point being on time.

1320
01:15:30,040 --> 01:15:33,400
Speaker 1: No, tell me, tell me where, Just tell me where

1321
01:15:33,400 --> 01:15:34,720
Speaker 1: I need to be, when I need to be there,

1322
01:15:34,720 --> 01:15:36,920
Speaker 1: Who I need to call, when I need to when

1323
01:15:36,920 --> 01:15:39,280
Speaker 1: I need to hang up, when I need to like everything,

1324
01:15:40,520 --> 01:15:44,120
Speaker 1: And uh yeah, that's what I'm gonna that's what he's

1325
01:15:44,120 --> 01:15:46,559
Speaker 1: going to do. And so that's the first thing. You know.

1326
01:15:46,600 --> 01:15:49,040
Speaker 1: It's time management skills. But you know, I don't know

1327
01:15:49,080 --> 01:15:51,519
Speaker 1: how many people know this, but man, it's like you

1328
01:15:51,560 --> 01:15:53,519
Speaker 1: asked why I couldn't do Field of sixty eight as

1329
01:15:53,600 --> 01:15:55,280
Speaker 1: much last year as I wanted to. Well, I was

1330
01:15:55,320 --> 01:16:01,960
Speaker 1: working for Fox, uh, Compass, west Wood on stadium. I

1331
01:16:01,960 --> 01:16:04,759
Speaker 1: had a basketball program. I have my own basketball podcast,

1332
01:16:05,240 --> 01:16:08,360
Speaker 1: you know, like you name it. I have, I got,

1333
01:16:08,880 --> 01:16:13,679
Speaker 1: I had, I had obligations. This will just be two jobs.

1334
01:16:13,680 --> 01:16:17,120
Speaker 1: And really, you know, radio is I've been doing it

1335
01:16:17,160 --> 01:16:20,120
Speaker 1: long enough and I have a good enough system where

1336
01:16:22,439 --> 01:16:25,200
Speaker 1: I feel like I can be super concise with my

1337
01:16:25,360 --> 01:16:28,559
Speaker 1: time and and the and credit to the guys at

1338
01:16:28,600 --> 01:16:31,439
Speaker 1: Fox Sports Radio, you know we I got clearance from

1339
01:16:31,439 --> 01:16:34,760
Speaker 1: them last year. I got and you know, yesterday I

1340
01:16:34,800 --> 01:16:37,120
Speaker 1: called him and said, hey, if this becomes a real thing,

1341
01:16:37,920 --> 01:16:39,920
Speaker 1: can we do it? And They're like, yeah, we're gonna

1342
01:16:39,920 --> 01:16:42,439
Speaker 1: try it. So we're gonna do it and see how

1343
01:16:42,479 --> 01:16:44,280
Speaker 1: it goes. But the first thing is, I got a

1344
01:16:44,280 --> 01:16:47,360
Speaker 1: guy who's going to manage manage me. And then I'm

1345
01:16:47,400 --> 01:16:48,559
Speaker 1: gonna hire a really good staff.

1346
01:16:49,560 --> 01:16:51,439
Speaker 4: What what type of coach are You're going to be, Douge?

1347
01:16:51,520 --> 01:16:51,880
Speaker 2: What type?

1348
01:16:51,920 --> 01:16:54,160
Speaker 5: Because I've never seen you. I don't think i've ever

1349
01:16:54,160 --> 01:16:57,720
Speaker 5: seen your coach aau. So like, obviously I know you

1350
01:16:57,800 --> 01:17:00,559
Speaker 5: well enough and I have known you well enough that again,

1351
01:17:00,680 --> 01:17:02,200
Speaker 5: you're gonna hold kids accountable.

1352
01:17:02,200 --> 01:17:05,280
Speaker 4: There there's there's an old school part of you that is.

1353
01:17:05,280 --> 01:17:07,880
Speaker 5: Gonna hold kids accountable, Like who do you want to

1354
01:17:07,960 --> 01:17:11,880
Speaker 5: model your coaching style after Give me a guy in

1355
01:17:11,960 --> 01:17:15,200
Speaker 5: college basketball right now that you say to yourself, like.

1356
01:17:15,560 --> 01:17:17,760
Speaker 4: That's kind of who I want to be at my core.

1357
01:17:18,479 --> 01:17:24,400
Speaker 1: I'm not Danny, Okay, I love Danny, not Danny, but

1358
01:17:24,479 --> 01:17:29,960
Speaker 1: I'm also not Brad Stevens, you know, or I'm I'm uh.

1359
01:17:30,120 --> 01:17:31,479
Speaker 4: Yeah, fir but warm.

1360
01:17:31,560 --> 01:17:33,680
Speaker 5: Yeah, you don't have that type of No, you're not

1361
01:17:33,720 --> 01:17:35,719
Speaker 5: as smart as well either by the way.

1362
01:17:36,360 --> 01:17:39,320
Speaker 1: I coach people, the way I want to be. The

1363
01:17:39,760 --> 01:17:42,280
Speaker 1: one of the big things for me is I make

1364
01:17:42,360 --> 01:17:45,400
Speaker 1: sure that when the game is over or the practice

1365
01:17:45,439 --> 01:17:49,040
Speaker 1: is over, like we're not carrying over those emotions into life.

1366
01:17:49,920 --> 01:17:52,920
Speaker 1: You know. It's something I'm really good at. So like

1367
01:17:53,200 --> 01:17:54,960
Speaker 1: Tommy is obill self type?

1368
01:17:55,120 --> 01:17:56,680
Speaker 4: Is that kind of what you want to you know?

1369
01:17:56,800 --> 01:18:00,640
Speaker 1: Like right, yes, I want to be I'd love to

1370
01:18:00,640 --> 01:18:02,840
Speaker 1: be Bill. I could be Bill self. That would be great.

1371
01:18:03,120 --> 01:18:05,759
Speaker 1: And what Bill's ability to connect with the younger generation

1372
01:18:06,320 --> 01:18:08,519
Speaker 1: and you know, talk that level of shit whatever.

1373
01:18:08,880 --> 01:18:11,840
Speaker 5: Again, the biggest thing for me, obviously you've got your

1374
01:18:11,880 --> 01:18:14,200
Speaker 5: staff pretty much figured out already. I know you can't

1375
01:18:14,240 --> 01:18:16,880
Speaker 5: go through it, but uh, it's guys who are going

1376
01:18:16,920 --> 01:18:22,840
Speaker 5: to grind it and and again I think, how realistic

1377
01:18:23,000 --> 01:18:27,519
Speaker 5: is it because you're already starting here. It's gonna be

1378
01:18:27,560 --> 01:18:30,320
Speaker 5: the last It could be the last head coaching job

1379
01:18:30,400 --> 01:18:33,679
Speaker 5: of the cycle, which sucks. That's hard to do because

1380
01:18:34,040 --> 01:18:37,400
Speaker 5: most of these kids in the portal already accounted.

1381
01:18:36,920 --> 01:18:39,000
Speaker 4: For, not all of them, but a lot of them,

1382
01:18:39,080 --> 01:18:41,040
Speaker 4: a lot of them already done at this point.

1383
01:18:42,080 --> 01:18:44,200
Speaker 5: How competitive do you think you can be this year

1384
01:18:44,320 --> 01:18:46,559
Speaker 5: or are we talking about really a year or two

1385
01:18:47,080 --> 01:18:49,160
Speaker 5: being able to be competitive.

1386
01:18:48,920 --> 01:18:50,720
Speaker 4: And have a chance to maybe fight for one of

1387
01:18:50,760 --> 01:18:52,000
Speaker 4: the top spots in the league.

1388
01:18:54,400 --> 01:18:59,439
Speaker 1: My simple answer is I don't know, but I can

1389
01:18:59,520 --> 01:19:01,519
Speaker 1: tell you this. We're going to get the most out

1390
01:19:01,520 --> 01:19:04,880
Speaker 1: of what we got. You know, the first order of business,

1391
01:19:05,000 --> 01:19:08,479
Speaker 1: mean and and most important thing is like it's it's

1392
01:19:08,520 --> 01:19:13,120
Speaker 1: really interesting how this works with with with schools right

1393
01:19:13,160 --> 01:19:15,800
Speaker 1: where they you know, Sundayance comes in, they've won four

1394
01:19:15,880 --> 01:19:19,639
Speaker 1: games year before, he wins eighteen games and he gets

1395
01:19:19,680 --> 01:19:22,080
Speaker 1: extended and then you know this, this happened at a

1396
01:19:22,080 --> 01:19:24,960
Speaker 1: weird time in the cycle. Really important to point out.

1397
01:19:25,040 --> 01:19:26,080
Speaker 1: He did a great job.

1398
01:19:26,320 --> 01:19:26,840
Speaker 4: Great job.

1399
01:19:26,960 --> 01:19:29,320
Speaker 1: He did a great job. He did a great job.

1400
01:19:29,680 --> 01:19:33,280
Speaker 1: He's got awesome energy. He completely turned around the program,

1401
01:19:33,760 --> 01:19:36,439
Speaker 1: obviously was brilliant to hire Noah's brother, who they've worked

1402
01:19:36,439 --> 01:19:40,439
Speaker 1: together at at at Wyoming, right, like, that's that's legal,

1403
01:19:40,600 --> 01:19:46,360
Speaker 1: smart and worked right. So and you know, I so

1404
01:19:46,479 --> 01:19:49,760
Speaker 1: there's there's no negatives there, and I believe he left

1405
01:19:49,760 --> 01:19:53,360
Speaker 1: me a pretty good roster. And I know I know

1406
01:19:53,800 --> 01:19:57,880
Speaker 1: the one transfer. I'm I'm fired up the coach. And

1407
01:19:58,240 --> 01:20:02,000
Speaker 1: while there aren't technically guy is a ton in the portal,

1408
01:20:02,280 --> 01:20:07,559
Speaker 1: there are some and you know, when things change, things change,

1409
01:20:07,880 --> 01:20:10,800
Speaker 1: and so there are some other guys who I've helped

1410
01:20:10,840 --> 01:20:14,280
Speaker 1: place at other places that I would love to, you know,

1411
01:20:15,120 --> 01:20:18,200
Speaker 1: and give a phone call to and say, hey, listen,

1412
01:20:18,240 --> 01:20:23,160
Speaker 1: I I understand you're committed. I respect that, but I

1413
01:20:23,200 --> 01:20:26,120
Speaker 1: also want you to know that you have a you

1414
01:20:26,160 --> 01:20:30,200
Speaker 1: have a place playing for us and playing for me specifically,

1415
01:20:30,240 --> 01:20:33,800
Speaker 1: and so I have some relationships there. Anyway, The answer is,

1416
01:20:34,640 --> 01:20:36,280
Speaker 1: let me let me see.

1417
01:20:36,040 --> 01:20:37,280
Speaker 4: What I got.

1418
01:20:37,040 --> 01:20:39,479
Speaker 1: You see who shows up at our first set, our

1419
01:20:39,479 --> 01:20:44,760
Speaker 1: first summer work out, but on paper not bad, on

1420
01:20:44,880 --> 01:20:49,120
Speaker 1: tape pretty good? Yeah, really good? I mean freshman earleague

1421
01:20:49,680 --> 01:20:55,080
Speaker 1: hello player like good? So uh, And then I have

1422
01:20:55,120 --> 01:20:57,400
Speaker 1: some guys that I believe we can add in the portal.

1423
01:20:58,400 --> 01:21:02,240
Speaker 1: That and there's some internationals as well, and we have

1424
01:21:02,360 --> 01:21:06,080
Speaker 1: them in IL. So we're gonna we're gonna try and

1425
01:21:06,200 --> 01:21:11,439
Speaker 1: add on. Like nobody nobody feels sorry for you, right, No, Greg,

1426
01:21:11,920 --> 01:21:13,680
Speaker 1: Greg Camp is gonna be like, hey, oh you got

1427
01:21:13,680 --> 01:21:16,720
Speaker 1: the job late. Oh hey listen, how about we how

1428
01:21:16,840 --> 01:21:18,800
Speaker 1: we spot you ten points? You know?

1429
01:21:19,160 --> 01:21:20,160
Speaker 2: Hey what what what will?

1430
01:21:20,400 --> 01:21:23,200
Speaker 4: How will you change? Like is there any part?

1431
01:21:23,360 --> 01:21:25,840
Speaker 5: I mean again, we went through your job responsibilities and

1432
01:21:25,960 --> 01:21:30,400
Speaker 5: how they'll change. But like you on social media, you anywhere,

1433
01:21:30,479 --> 01:21:33,760
Speaker 5: is there anything that you thought of? Like, Okay, I'm

1434
01:21:33,760 --> 01:21:36,840
Speaker 5: gonna have to change with this. I can't now that

1435
01:21:36,880 --> 01:21:40,200
Speaker 5: I'm gonna head coach at Green Bay. I can't do this,

1436
01:21:40,760 --> 01:21:41,439
Speaker 5: Like what is it?

1437
01:21:41,640 --> 01:21:42,000
Speaker 4: What's what?

1438
01:21:42,240 --> 01:21:45,599
Speaker 1: Yeah? I mean, like especially this fall, I can't get

1439
01:21:45,640 --> 01:21:48,960
Speaker 1: into political stuff, right, you know, it's just it's so

1440
01:21:49,080 --> 01:21:54,000
Speaker 1: toxic anyway, Yeah, it's so toxic anyway, can't get into

1441
01:21:54,000 --> 01:21:57,360
Speaker 1: the political stuff. You know, I've told them I'm I'm

1442
01:21:57,400 --> 01:22:00,360
Speaker 1: open to handing over my my Twitter handle like that.

1443
01:22:00,360 --> 01:22:02,680
Speaker 1: That's a negative vortext anyway. That just sucks you in

1444
01:22:02,760 --> 01:22:07,479
Speaker 1: on a on a daily basis. Anyway. Oh so yeah, no, no.

1445
01:22:07,640 --> 01:22:10,080
Speaker 5: You'll you'll you'll be a happier person. Yeah, you'll be

1446
01:22:10,120 --> 01:22:11,120
Speaker 5: a happier person if you.

1447
01:22:11,240 --> 01:22:13,479
Speaker 1: I think I think I will. I think I will

1448
01:22:13,520 --> 01:22:13,680
Speaker 1: be a.

1449
01:22:13,640 --> 01:22:16,080
Speaker 5: Happier And again, you don't need to take that time,

1450
01:22:16,280 --> 01:22:20,120
Speaker 5: that time away from you, Like, no, your time is

1451
01:22:20,160 --> 01:22:22,320
Speaker 5: going to be at a premium like that, That's not

1452
01:22:22,360 --> 01:22:23,360
Speaker 5: how you want to utilize it.

1453
01:22:23,880 --> 01:22:26,760
Speaker 1: I actually need that. I need the structure of it.

1454
01:22:28,479 --> 01:22:32,639
Speaker 1: And you know, like and you've gone through this with

1455
01:22:32,680 --> 01:22:34,439
Speaker 1: your daughter. You know I'm going to go through this

1456
01:22:34,479 --> 01:22:38,040
Speaker 1: with my daughters. Like not having kids to manage, oh yeah,

1457
01:22:38,080 --> 01:22:40,840
Speaker 1: and to worry about their lives on a daily basis.

1458
01:22:41,120 --> 01:22:43,400
Speaker 1: I actually kind of need the kid. I actually kind

1459
01:22:43,400 --> 01:22:46,120
Speaker 1: of need the kids to be their dad, big brother,

1460
01:22:46,720 --> 01:22:49,640
Speaker 1: you know, on the team because because you because you

1461
01:22:49,640 --> 01:22:53,040
Speaker 1: you miss that when they're not there. So I've always

1462
01:22:53,080 --> 01:22:57,519
Speaker 1: wanted to do it. And you know, there's the the rare.

1463
01:22:57,880 --> 01:22:59,920
Speaker 1: You know, my dad's last head coaching jobs, you be

1464
01:23:00,080 --> 01:23:04,080
Speaker 1: walk And I was born in Wisconsin, and you know,

1465
01:23:04,160 --> 01:23:08,880
Speaker 1: we've always had great respect for the Bennetts. Uh. You know,

1466
01:23:08,920 --> 01:23:12,080
Speaker 1: Brian Wordle is a dear friend of mine. Obviously he

1467
01:23:12,600 --> 01:23:16,120
Speaker 1: did an awesome job there. So I know more about

1468
01:23:16,160 --> 01:23:21,680
Speaker 1: this program than really any other program in the Midwest

1469
01:23:21,760 --> 01:23:25,400
Speaker 1: at that level, it's like not even close. So I

1470
01:23:25,479 --> 01:23:30,160
Speaker 1: like all those things work. I well, I was, I

1471
01:23:30,240 --> 01:23:32,760
Speaker 1: was ahead on the Jordan loved thing, and everybody else

1472
01:23:32,760 --> 01:23:35,000
Speaker 1: said he couldn't play. I was like, oh, I don't know.

1473
01:23:35,160 --> 01:23:37,400
Speaker 1: These Packer guys seem to think he's pretty good. And

1474
01:23:37,880 --> 01:23:41,360
Speaker 1: you asked a good question about college basketball. Like, I

1475
01:23:41,400 --> 01:23:46,599
Speaker 1: think player development is giant player development right now, bigger

1476
01:23:46,640 --> 01:23:49,720
Speaker 1: than and I love being it. I love being in

1477
01:23:49,760 --> 01:23:50,719
Speaker 1: the gym with these guys.

1478
01:23:51,080 --> 01:23:54,439
Speaker 5: Congrats, man, congrats. I'm proud of you. I'm happy for you.

1479
01:23:54,640 --> 01:23:56,960
Speaker 5: I can't wait to see what you do. I'm sad

1480
01:23:57,000 --> 01:23:58,880
Speaker 5: to see that you're kind of you know, I know

1481
01:23:58,920 --> 01:24:00,560
Speaker 5: you're going to tack. It's still I'm on field of

1482
01:24:00,600 --> 01:24:04,520
Speaker 5: sixty eight. We'll have you do special appearances, be focused

1483
01:24:04,560 --> 01:24:09,280
Speaker 5: on on green Bay in the league, and I got

1484
01:24:09,280 --> 01:24:11,200
Speaker 5: to get my ass out there. That's that's the key. Now,

1485
01:24:11,200 --> 01:24:13,040
Speaker 5: I got to get to Green Bay. I don't remember

1486
01:24:13,040 --> 01:24:15,000
Speaker 5: the last time I've been to Green Bay. Maybe never.

1487
01:24:15,600 --> 01:24:18,519
Speaker 1: You're you're invited, and we'll go to Packers game in

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Speaker 1: the fall, come hang out, and what do you think?

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Speaker 4: Be awesome?

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Speaker 1: Man?

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Speaker 4: Awesome? Like I said, congrats, I can't wait.

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Speaker 5: I know how hard you've been working to kind of

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Speaker 5: get the right opportunity, and I think this is certainly

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Speaker 5: the right one for you, and and again looking forward

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Speaker 5: to seeing what you do this year.

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Speaker 1: All right, that's it for the first head coaching edition

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Speaker 1: of All Ball. I also want to think my man

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Speaker 1: Mike hols it because he we become dear, dear friends,

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Speaker 1: and he's along with me for this ride, and he's

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Speaker 1: going to kick some ass too. Reminder, the Doug Gotlips

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Speaker 1: Show continues every single day on Fox Sports Radio the

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Speaker 1: iHeartRadio app. It's three to five Easter plus I have

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Speaker 1: a podcast with that as well. Come on, man, everybody

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Speaker 1: acts like coaches don't sit around the office bullshitting all

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Speaker 1: day anyway, of course we do. We love the gym,

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Speaker 1: we love the kids. We got plenty of time to talk.

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Speaker 1: That's what we're gonna do both until next time. I'm

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Speaker 1: to Gottlieb. This is All Ball.