WEBVTT - DARPA's First Projects

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<v Speaker 1>Get in touch with technology with tech Stuff from house

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<v Speaker 1>I'm Jonathan Strickland. I'm an executive producer and I love

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<v Speaker 1>all things tech. And this is the second part in

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<v Speaker 1>my series about DARPA, the R and D arm of

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<v Speaker 1>the Department of Defense. If you have not listened to

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<v Speaker 1>the previous episode, I would recommend you go back and

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<v Speaker 1>listen to that one first to hear about the founding

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<v Speaker 1>of the agency and its first few projects, including the

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<v Speaker 1>world's first spy satellite, before you come on over to

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<v Speaker 1>this one now. I mentioned in the last episode that

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<v Speaker 1>there were tons of projects and historical events all happening

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<v Speaker 1>around the formation of ARPA, which was of course the

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<v Speaker 1>original name for DARPA, and that meant I had to

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<v Speaker 1>pick and choose which ones to talk about and follow

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<v Speaker 1>those lines of logic. One of the ones I skipped

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<v Speaker 1>over is one I want to look at before I

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<v Speaker 1>move on in the timeline of the agency, and the

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<v Speaker 1>project would involve exploding nuclear warheads high above the earth

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<v Speaker 1>in an effort to create what would amount to a

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<v Speaker 1>force field of sorts in order to protect the United

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<v Speaker 1>States from an incoming nuclear strike. This project was based

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<v Speaker 1>off the work of a physicist named Nick Christophilis, and

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<v Speaker 1>he had come up with a hypothesis. He believed that

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<v Speaker 1>the high energy electrons produced in a nuclear explosion could,

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<v Speaker 1>if it happened in Earth's magnetosphere, produce a lasting effect

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<v Speaker 1>akin to what we now think of as an electromagnetic

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<v Speaker 1>pulse or e m P. These powerful blasts of electromagnetic

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<v Speaker 1>energy can overwhelm electronic systems and cause them to fail

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<v Speaker 1>or even to burn out entirely. And it's the sort

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<v Speaker 1>of thing that might happen in the event of solar

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<v Speaker 1>storms or, as it turns out, the explosion of a

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<v Speaker 1>nuclear device. Christophilos believed that the magnetosphere would sustain the

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<v Speaker 1>high energy electrons, and anything relying upon electronics that would

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<v Speaker 1>try to pass through that barrier would end up failing,

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<v Speaker 1>including the arming and firing mechanisms on Soviet I CBM,

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<v Speaker 1>so they would just become ballistics. They wouldn't they wouldn't explode,

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<v Speaker 1>they would be inert because the the firing mechanism would

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<v Speaker 1>never deploy. A full scale deployment of this approach would

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<v Speaker 1>require firing hundreds or even thousands of nuclear warheads into

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<v Speaker 1>high altitudes, and they theorized that the the high energy

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<v Speaker 1>electrons could last for months in the magnetosphere. Christophilis was

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<v Speaker 1>an interesting character. He had been an elevator installer back

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<v Speaker 1>in the late nineteen thirties. He worked in an elevator company.

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<v Speaker 1>It had its ups and downs, but in his spare

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<v Speaker 1>time he was coming up with scientific hypotheses and inventing

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<v Speaker 1>theoretical devices, you know, little inventions like particle accelerators. So

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<v Speaker 1>while his idea sounded wild, Arbo was willing to give

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<v Speaker 1>it a shot because he had shown that he had

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<v Speaker 1>a keen understanding of nuclear physics from a self taught perspective,

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<v Speaker 1>which seemed pretty remarkable. The test would be called Operation Argus.

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<v Speaker 1>The US chose a spot in the South Atlantic Ocean,

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<v Speaker 1>essentially between the tip of Africa and the tip of

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<v Speaker 1>South America. It was about as remote from human civilization

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<v Speaker 1>as you could get without being in the Antarctic. And

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<v Speaker 1>this was an enormous endeavor. It wasn't like one launch pad.

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<v Speaker 1>We're talking four thousand five military personnel involved. On top

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<v Speaker 1>of that, you had scientists, you had engineers, were all

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<v Speaker 1>part of the test. The first test happened on August

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<v Speaker 1>nineteen fifty eight. Meanwhile, thousands of miles away, on that

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<v Speaker 1>same day, Ernest Lawrence, one of the strongest advocates for

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<v Speaker 1>nuclear weapons development and testing, passed away. Ernest Lawrence and

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<v Speaker 1>Edward Teller had been the gung ho proponents of building

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<v Speaker 1>out a nuclear arsenal, including the hydrogen bomb and and

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<v Speaker 1>bigger weapons beyond that. He had at the time been

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<v Speaker 1>attending a conference dedicated to arriving at a global ban

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<v Speaker 1>on nuclear weapons testing. This was essentially by order of

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<v Speaker 1>the US government. President Eisenhower and Herb York, the scientific

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<v Speaker 1>director over at ARPA, had given him this assignment. It

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<v Speaker 1>was kind of ironic that they sent Lawrence there to

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<v Speaker 1>talk about a nuclear test band, considering his personal views

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<v Speaker 1>on the subject, and that may have contributed to stress,

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<v Speaker 1>which in turn may have contributed to his health deteriorating

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<v Speaker 1>and then ultimately his passing. The Argus tests, which consisted

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<v Speaker 1>of three separate nuclear weapons fired in into the atmosphere

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<v Speaker 1>on three different occasions from late August into early September,

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<v Speaker 1>were considered a failure. The explosions did not produce the

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<v Speaker 1>effects Christophilos had did. The explosions did create high energy electrons,

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<v Speaker 1>and they did exist a bit longer in the magnetosphere

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<v Speaker 1>than they might have otherwise, but not at the intensity

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<v Speaker 1>and duration that Christophilos had anticipated, not enough to be

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<v Speaker 1>a force field protector against incoming I C b ms,

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<v Speaker 1>So this defense was not going to pan out. There

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<v Speaker 1>was some talk that perhaps the engineers and scientists could

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<v Speaker 1>figure out a way to make it work if they

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<v Speaker 1>had more time to test, but with the approaching ban

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<v Speaker 1>on nuclear testing coming, that would make the matter moot.

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<v Speaker 1>The ban on nuclear testing would begin on October thirty one,

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<v Speaker 1>ninety eight. Edward Teller, the proponent of nuclear tests and

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<v Speaker 1>friend to Ernest Lawrence, suggested that the United States keep

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<v Speaker 1>testing anyway, but if they were to keep those tests

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<v Speaker 1>to less than a kill a ton of force, they

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<v Speaker 1>could probably do it and remain undetectable by all the

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<v Speaker 1>different powers in the world that were interested in monitoring

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<v Speaker 1>such stuff. So he essentially said, if you want to

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<v Speaker 1>do testing on the QT, just keep those explosions below

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<v Speaker 1>one kill a ton of force. You can keep on

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<v Speaker 1>changing up your designs and approaches to nuclear weaponry as

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<v Speaker 1>long as we don't make the boom too big, and

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<v Speaker 1>then no one will ever be the wiser, and essentially

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<v Speaker 1>Teller said, whether we choose to do this or not,

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<v Speaker 1>you can bet the Soviets are going to be doing it.

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<v Speaker 1>Tell her was very much of that kind of opinion

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<v Speaker 1>of the Soviet Union for all of his life. Now,

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<v Speaker 1>when I left off in the last episode, I was

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<v Speaker 1>talking about the Corona Project, the aforementioned spy satellites that

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<v Speaker 1>had a public cover name called Discoverer. The nature of

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<v Speaker 1>the Corona project would remain classified until ninet so for

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<v Speaker 1>decades the American public was kept ignorant of what Discoverer

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<v Speaker 1>satellites were actually doing up in space, which was taking

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<v Speaker 1>photos mostly of the Soviet Union. By the time the

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<v Speaker 1>Corona Project was a success, DARPA had a new director.

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<v Speaker 1>The original director, Roy W. Johnson, resigned in nineteen fifty

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<v Speaker 1>nine after much of our was work in the missile

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<v Speaker 1>program got undermined and handed back over to the various

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<v Speaker 1>Armed services branches. The morale at ARPA was shaken as

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<v Speaker 1>a result. People working in ARPA had the goal of

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<v Speaker 1>advancing technology and military applications, and they were starting to

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<v Speaker 1>feel like their work was being tossed aside or dismissed. Now,

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<v Speaker 1>originally Johnson's replacement was going to be a guy named

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<v Speaker 1>Charles Critchfield. Critchfield was a nuclear physicist who had worked

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<v Speaker 1>on the Manhattan Project. In nine he was working for

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<v Speaker 1>Convey in their General Dynamics department and he received the

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<v Speaker 1>request to come be the director of ARPA. But he

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<v Speaker 1>had a really good paying gig over at Convey. So

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<v Speaker 1>originally he was saying, I'll do it as long as

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<v Speaker 1>I can keep my position at Convey, and then I'll

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<v Speaker 1>just recuse myself from any project that Convey might be

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<v Speaker 1>part of to avoid the appearance of favoritism. But the

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<v Speaker 1>press pushed against that notion, asking how would he be

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<v Speaker 1>able to stay objective considering what looked like a really

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<v Speaker 1>serious conflict of intra So he withdrew himself from consideration.

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<v Speaker 1>Herbert York was given the task to find someone else,

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<v Speaker 1>and so he looked at the office of the Secretary

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<v Speaker 1>of Defense, and there he found General Austin Betts, who

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<v Speaker 1>was the deputy to the Director of Guided Missiles. York

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<v Speaker 1>also warned Bets that ARPA was the target of opposition

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<v Speaker 1>from pretty much every branch of the military. Bets understood,

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<v Speaker 1>and he went about doing his best to mollify the

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<v Speaker 1>concerns and the objections of military brass while letting the

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<v Speaker 1>administrators at ARPA continue their work as best he could.

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<v Speaker 1>Bets gets a lot of credit for stabilizing ARPA in

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<v Speaker 1>the wake of Johnson's departure. He also worked with the

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<v Speaker 1>branches of the Armed forces to recognize ARPA's place in

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<v Speaker 1>the overall strategy for the United States. According to Bets,

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<v Speaker 1>military officials would look at ARPA with some level of

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<v Speaker 1>resentment because they believe that the money that was going

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<v Speaker 1>to ARPA could have been better spent in those respective

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<v Speaker 1>military branches. Essentially, they're taking our money. Bets did his

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<v Speaker 1>best to convince them that ARPA's R and D focus

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<v Speaker 1>would be a benefit to the branches in the long run,

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<v Speaker 1>and it was not intended to be a competing agency.

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<v Speaker 1>I'll have more to say about DARPA's early days in

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<v Speaker 1>just a moment, but first let's take a quick break

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<v Speaker 1>to thank our sponsor. In nineteen sixty, ARPA announced the

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<v Speaker 1>launch of an interdisciplinary Laboratory or IDEL program. The purpose

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<v Speaker 1>of this program was to advance materials science, which is

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<v Speaker 1>the study of the properties of matter and potential applications,

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<v Speaker 1>which again largely had to do with defense. The agency

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<v Speaker 1>awarded three contracts that year, each contract lasting four years,

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<v Speaker 1>and they all had renewable clauses attached to them. The

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<v Speaker 1>three universities that won those first contracts were the University

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<v Speaker 1>of Pennsylvania, Cornell University, and Northwestern University. The IDEL program

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<v Speaker 1>would continue for twelve years. It would include more universities

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<v Speaker 1>over time, and then ARPA would transfer it to the

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<v Speaker 1>National Science Foundation, which subsequently changed the program's name to

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<v Speaker 1>the Materials Research Laboratories Program. That program would fund exploratory

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<v Speaker 1>research in all sorts of materials, some of which would

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<v Speaker 1>end up playing an important role in making better tools

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<v Speaker 1>and equipment for the military. Also in nineteen sixty, ARPA

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<v Speaker 1>launched a navigation satellite, the first and what would eventually

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<v Speaker 1>become a global navigation system. It was called Transit. The

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<v Speaker 1>project grew out of R and D work from the

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<v Speaker 1>Johns Hopkins Universities Applied Physics Laboratory. The satellite had an

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<v Speaker 1>accuracy down to tens of meters, which helped boost map

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<v Speaker 1>accuracy considerably. Are BA administered the project until the mid

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<v Speaker 1>nineteen sixties, when it would transfer that system to the

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<v Speaker 1>United States Navy Transit would ultimately consist of thirty six

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<v Speaker 1>satellites in orbit and would serve as the primary US

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<v Speaker 1>satellite based navigation system until nine, when it would be

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<v Speaker 1>replaced by the Global Positioning System or GPS. Over the

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<v Speaker 1>first two years of ARPA's existence, the budget for its

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<v Speaker 1>Defender program, also known as the Ballistics Missile Defense or

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<v Speaker 1>BMD project, was about nine hundred million dollars from R

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<v Speaker 1>and D to operations, so just under a billion dollars,

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<v Speaker 1>an enormous amount of money now and back in nineteen

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<v Speaker 1>fifty nine. Nineteen sixty would be a really big year

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<v Speaker 1>of changes for DARPA, or again ARPA at the time.

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<v Speaker 1>Herbert York, who was the first chief Scientist then he

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<v Speaker 1>became Director of Defense Research and Engineering, would step down.

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<v Speaker 1>John F. Kennedy became President of the United States, and

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<v Speaker 1>as a result, as is frequently the case with administration changes,

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<v Speaker 1>you started to see a house cleaning process where people

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<v Speaker 1>who had been uh inhabiting certain positions and various agencies

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<v Speaker 1>are removed and new people are put in place. But

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<v Speaker 1>for a short time, York was essentially the acting Secretary

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<v Speaker 1>of Defense until Kennedy's pick, a guy named McNamara would

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<v Speaker 1>make his way through confirmation hearings, so for a short while,

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<v Speaker 1>Herbert York was effectively in charge of the codes for

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<v Speaker 1>nuclear weapons in the United States, like all of them.

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<v Speaker 1>This was before the country had established the protocols around

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<v Speaker 1>the so called nuclear football, so he was the head

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<v Speaker 1>man in charge of the nuclear weapons arsenal at that

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<v Speaker 1>point for a few months or a few days really.

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<v Speaker 1>Kennedy was concerned about Communist insurgents in Southeast Asia, particularly

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<v Speaker 1>in Vietnam, so in response, he began to task officials

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<v Speaker 1>with coming up with counter insurgency strategies. ARPA would play

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<v Speaker 1>a big role in that, particularly starting in nineteen sixty one.

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<v Speaker 1>I'll get back to that in a second, but first,

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<v Speaker 1>in nineteen sixty one, after spending just a little more

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<v Speaker 1>than a year as the director of ARPA, General Betts resigned.

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<v Speaker 1>His placement was a guy named Dr Jack p. Runa,

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<v Speaker 1>an electrical engineer who was a professor in my t now.

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<v Speaker 1>Runa was the first scientist to head up our PA

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<v Speaker 1>from a director level. He would step down in nineteene,

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<v Speaker 1>but in a short time as director he would oversee

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<v Speaker 1>many important projects and developments, including the founding of the

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<v Speaker 1>Information Processing Techniques Office or I p t O. More

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<v Speaker 1>on that in our next episode. As part of Project Defender,

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<v Speaker 1>ARPA would reach out to another young organization called Jason.

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<v Speaker 1>Jason was a for profit scientific research group largely dedicated

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<v Speaker 1>to tackling problems related to defense and military applications. Is

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<v Speaker 1>named after the Greek hero Jason, and it was a secretive,

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<v Speaker 1>exclusive group of some of the most talented scientists in

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<v Speaker 1>the United States. Super duper hush hush, though, and these

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<v Speaker 1>scientists would get top level security clearance to various programs.

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<v Speaker 1>Through Out its run, ARPA would ask Jason to pitch

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<v Speaker 1>ideas that would improve the Defender missile defense program. One

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<v Speaker 1>such proposal they came up with was to equip every

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<v Speaker 1>US warhead with decoys to confound the Soviet Union's anti

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<v Speaker 1>ballistic missile defense system. So in this case, there wasn't

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<v Speaker 1>so much as defending against incoming missiles as to make

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<v Speaker 1>our outgoing missiles more effective. Essentially, every warhead would deploy

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<v Speaker 1>a decoy or more than one up to five to

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<v Speaker 1>improve its chances of making it through the defenses of

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<v Speaker 1>the USSR to detonate at its intended target. The strategy

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<v Speaker 1>became known as Penetration AIDS or pen AIDS for short.

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<v Speaker 1>This would later grow into another project called pen X,

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<v Speaker 1>in which scientists work on creating multiple independently targeted reentry

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<v Speaker 1>vehicles also known as merv's m I r vs. The

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<v Speaker 1>Jason Group was being funded by ARPA, but it was

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<v Speaker 1>so secretive and its work was so important to US

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<v Speaker 1>defense that the scientists were able to put tough restrictions

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<v Speaker 1>on ARPA's involvement with their work, like crazy restrictions. They

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<v Speaker 1>demanded that they would be allowed to to work on

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<v Speaker 1>their own solving whatever problems were assigned to them without

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<v Speaker 1>outside interference. And the only person from ARPA who was

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<v Speaker 1>allowed to attend their summer sessions. And this was a

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<v Speaker 1>concession they made uh most of the members of JASON,

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<v Speaker 1>by the way, we're teaching throughout most of the year,

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<v Speaker 1>the summer was when they would have time off, and

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<v Speaker 1>so they would dedicate that to working on these problems.

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<v Speaker 1>The only person from ARPA who could go to this

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<v Speaker 1>summer session was the director himself, Jack Runo. No one

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<v Speaker 1>else from MARPA would be allowed to hang out with

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<v Speaker 1>the scientists, and eventually RUNA agreed to this because they

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<v Speaker 1>needed these guys. The Jason scientists also worked on on

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<v Speaker 1>a super top secret project on directed energy beam weapons.

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<v Speaker 1>So one of the important members of the Jason group

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<v Speaker 1>was a guy named Charles Towns. Charles Towns built the

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<v Speaker 1>first maser that's the microwave based precursor of the laser,

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<v Speaker 1>so the team wanted to explore the possibility of using

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<v Speaker 1>directed energy beams to send blasts at, say, an incoming missile,

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<v Speaker 1>in order to disarm it. There have been numerous directed

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<v Speaker 1>energy beam product projects at DARPA. Most of those remain classified,

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<v Speaker 1>so we can only guess as to how far along

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<v Speaker 1>they have come, although a lot of people will say

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<v Speaker 1>that the technology being worked on at various projects that

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<v Speaker 1>are funded by DARPA tends to be up to ten

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<v Speaker 1>years ahead of the stuff you would see out in

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<v Speaker 1>the quote unquote real world, so that's something to think about. Meanwhile,

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<v Speaker 1>in Hawaii, ARPA began a project called the ARPA mid

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<v Speaker 1>Course Optical Station or AMOS A m o S in

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<v Speaker 1>nineteen sixty one. This was an observatory that was meant

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<v Speaker 1>to detect, image, and take measurements of space objects like satellites, payloads,

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<v Speaker 1>and other stuff like miss re entering the Airth's atmosphere.

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<v Speaker 1>The facility is on top of a mountain in Maui, Hawaii.

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<v Speaker 1>It would take years to build this facility and the

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<v Speaker 1>instruments needed to carry out the task, but it all

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<v Speaker 1>started in nineteen sixty one. In nineteen sixty nine it

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<v Speaker 1>was an established facility. It entered into its second phase

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<v Speaker 1>of operation, in which would measure re entry bodies as

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<v Speaker 1>part of the Advanced Ballistic re Entry System project. And

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<v Speaker 1>in nineteen four DARPA. At that point the agency's name

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<v Speaker 1>had changed kind of and it had changed back. In

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<v Speaker 1>nineteen seventy two they would change back to ARPA and

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<v Speaker 1>then back to DARPA again. We'll get there anyway. In

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<v Speaker 1>ninety four, DARPA transferred the facility over to the US

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<v Speaker 1>Air Force to become part of the Air Force Space

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<v Speaker 1>Tracking System. In ninety three, AMOS got a name change,

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<v Speaker 1>at least the acronym has now changed. Now it stands

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<v Speaker 1>for Air Force Maui Optical and Supercomputing Site. So remember

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<v Speaker 1>when I talked about the counterinsurgency efforts that Kennedy was

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<v Speaker 1>interested in. Well, in nineteen sixty one that took shape

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<v Speaker 1>as a huge initiative, probably the third biggest project DARPA

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<v Speaker 1>was tackling behind Defender and Vila Villa being the project

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<v Speaker 1>to to be able to detect nuclear weapons detonations. This

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<v Speaker 1>project was called Agile and it was a joint effort

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<v Speaker 1>between ARPA. There was a group of advisors called the

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<v Speaker 1>Military Assistance Advisory Group or m a a G, and

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<v Speaker 1>South Vietnam officials like the President of South Vietnam. The

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<v Speaker 1>project would have to deal with an entirely different approach

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<v Speaker 1>than the counterballistics work that ARPA had been involved with.

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<v Speaker 1>This was a major switching of gears from missile warfare

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<v Speaker 1>to how to get a technological advantage over enemy forces

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<v Speaker 1>that were at home fighting in say, jungle environments. One

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<v Speaker 1>of the champions project Agile was a guy named William Godal,

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<v Speaker 1>and intelligence operative who worked with ARPA and who acted

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<v Speaker 1>as sort of a liaison between various intelligence agencies and ARPA.

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<v Speaker 1>While many of the scientists at ARPA came from a

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<v Speaker 1>perspective of advancing the US capabilities in nuclear warfare, Godal

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<v Speaker 1>was looking at things from a different point of view.

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<v Speaker 1>He was interested in psychological warfare and the alleged brainwashing

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<v Speaker 1>techniques used by communists in the fifties and early sixties,

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<v Speaker 1>and he advocated for the creation of an ARPA branch

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<v Speaker 1>in Southeast Asia. Kennedy agreed, and the agency established the

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<v Speaker 1>ARPA Combat Development and Test Center. More on what they

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<v Speaker 1>did in just a moment, but first another quick break

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<v Speaker 1>to thank our sponsor. Godal wanted to develop techniques to

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<v Speaker 1>teach the South Vietnamese military how to combat insurgents, preferably

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<v Speaker 1>in a way that would not require the United States

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<v Speaker 1>to get directly involved, and in that way, the United

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<v Speaker 1>States could push back against the spread of Communism without

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<v Speaker 1>being on the ground in a war. So the thought

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<v Speaker 1>was that Project Agile would develop not just technology, but

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<v Speaker 1>best practices for the South Vietnamese military to use to

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<v Speaker 1>fight off the Viet Cong and the spread of communism.

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<v Speaker 1>It was the most active ARPA would get in actual

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<v Speaker 1>military operations. One of the many developments under Project Agile,

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<v Speaker 1>which covered tons of different subprojects UH, and one of

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<v Speaker 1>the most tragic. In fact, I would argue is probably

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<v Speaker 1>the most tragic of the projects that Agile was focused on,

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<v Speaker 1>was the development of the so called rainbow agents. These

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<v Speaker 1>were chemical agents and they were meant to kill off vegetation. UH.

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<v Speaker 1>They were herbicides. They were designed to remove jungle cover

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<v Speaker 1>and also to take away any advantage insurgents might have

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<v Speaker 1>while engaging in guerrilla warfare and to affect food supply.

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<v Speaker 1>Although Godal was largely looking at this as a way

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<v Speaker 1>of taking away the jungle cover to remove that advantage

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<v Speaker 1>that the viet Cong held. The most famous of these

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<v Speaker 1>rainbow agents was, of course, agent Orange. Now agent orange

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<v Speaker 1>is a mixture of two major herbicides, and it also

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<v Speaker 1>happens to be incredibly toxic to human beings. The President

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<v Speaker 1>of Vietnam, President d M, wanted to use herbicide in

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<v Speaker 1>large regions which would affect both insurgents and innocent Vietnamese citizens.

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<v Speaker 1>They are beside would affect jungles and food crops, including

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<v Speaker 1>food crops just grown by innocent people, not people who

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<v Speaker 1>were feeding the viet Cong. D M's goal was to

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<v Speaker 1>make the viet Cong, those those communists insurgents, dependent upon

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<v Speaker 1>the South Vietnamese government for food and that would force

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<v Speaker 1>them to obey him. So he took this tool that

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<v Speaker 1>ARPA had created, this herbicide, and he put to use

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<v Speaker 1>in a wide area, affecting thousands of people. Agent orange

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<v Speaker 1>can damage genes and it can lead to birth defects

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<v Speaker 1>and offspring. It can lead to higher instances of cancer

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<v Speaker 1>to people have been exposed to it. It's one of

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<v Speaker 1>the most terrible weapons created by the United States and

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<v Speaker 1>actually put to use in warfare. I also think it's

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<v Speaker 1>an example of some of the mental gymnastics that William

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<v Speaker 1>Goldal was able to go through to justify the existence

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<v Speaker 1>of this program. To begin with, the Geneva Convention expressly forbids,

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<v Speaker 1>chemical and biological weapons, and if you use them, you're

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<v Speaker 1>going to be the target of the international communities scorn

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<v Speaker 1>and worse, and the United States did not want to

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<v Speaker 1>to court that scorn. But destroying an enemy's food supply

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<v Speaker 1>is not against the Geneva Convention. You can do that

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<v Speaker 1>and it's quote unquote fair. The rules of what is

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<v Speaker 1>and isn't fair and warfare still kind of perplex me.

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<v Speaker 1>It's a weird thing to think about that something that

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<v Speaker 1>is terrible to people in one way is not against

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<v Speaker 1>the rules, and something that's terrible to people in a

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<v Speaker 1>different way is against the rules. Blows my mind anyway.

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<v Speaker 1>Framing this project as targeting not the people but their

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<v Speaker 1>food and the jungle itself wasn't against the Geneva Convention,

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<v Speaker 1>at least not on the surface. However, since the chemicals

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<v Speaker 1>were distributed by plane or helicopter, which meant they were

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<v Speaker 1>sprayed over large, often populated areas, I think it's kind

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<v Speaker 1>of hard to say we were just aiming for the

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<v Speaker 1>jungle and the food. We didn't mean to get the

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<v Speaker 1>people to Despite all that, President Kennedy approved the use

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<v Speaker 1>of the Arab side, though admittedly he did cut the

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<v Speaker 1>scope of the proposed use by a significant amount. Even so,

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<v Speaker 1>by the end of the Vietnam War, about nineteen million

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<v Speaker 1>gallons of the stuff had been unleashed in Vietnam. The

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<v Speaker 1>estimates on the number of Vietnamese directly exposed to the

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<v Speaker 1>chemicals range from two point one million people on the

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<v Speaker 1>conservative side up to four point eight million people. It's

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<v Speaker 1>truly horrifying stuff. Now. The documentation for Project Agile outlines

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<v Speaker 1>eight sub project areas. There's tactical unit weapons systems, area

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<v Speaker 1>fire weapons systems, remote area mobility and logistics systems, communication systems,

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<v Speaker 1>combat surveillance and target acquisition systems, individual and special projects,

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<v Speaker 1>technical planning and programming, and finally, research and exploratory development.

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<v Speaker 1>The work in Project Agile would lead to stuff like

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<v Speaker 1>flame throwers, and then the adoption of the M sixteen

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<v Speaker 1>as the infantry weapon of choice for US soldiers. The

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<v Speaker 1>M sixteen was based off the cult A R fifteen,

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<v Speaker 1>a style of rifle that today has a pretty horrific

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<v Speaker 1>reputation in various shooting incidents. The A R fifteen fires

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<v Speaker 1>five five six ammunition five point five six millimeter ammunition.

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<v Speaker 1>During Project Agile, the US military mostly was using the

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<v Speaker 1>I fourteen rifle for its soldiers, uh the M fourteen

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<v Speaker 1>fires a heavy seven point six two millimeter ammunition seven

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<v Speaker 1>six to The prevailing wisdom was that the five six

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<v Speaker 1>mma would not pack the punch needed in US military operations.

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<v Speaker 1>Part of the Project Agile had ARPA scientists heading up

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<v Speaker 1>projects to improve and test A R fifteen's to change

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<v Speaker 1>them into a new type of light assault rifle so

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<v Speaker 1>that the lighter weapon could replace this heavier M fourteen

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<v Speaker 1>and it would be more useful to Vietnamese soldiers, who

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<v Speaker 1>the group viewed as being smaller than American soldiers and

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<v Speaker 1>therefore they would need lighter weapons. I'm not going to

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<v Speaker 1>comment on that other than to say that that was

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<v Speaker 1>there conclusion anyway that led to the M sixteen, which

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<v Speaker 1>until fairly recently was the primary weapon of the U

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<v Speaker 1>S military. It's since been largely replaced by the M

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<v Speaker 1>four carbine, which is another five five six m O gun. Now,

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<v Speaker 1>I'm going to spare you guys the language that's in

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<v Speaker 1>the reports on the performance of the A R fifteen's

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<v Speaker 1>that ARPA had issued to US Special Forces for lie

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<v Speaker 1>field tests, meaning that soldiers were tearing this into actual

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<v Speaker 1>combat scenarios. Suffice it to say that the weapons were

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<v Speaker 1>found to be very effective, and the language makes that clear,

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<v Speaker 1>and how deadly the weapons were in actual combat situations.

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<v Speaker 1>It's really disturbing stuff. Actually, how casually these reports refer

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<v Speaker 1>to the lethality of the weapons. It's very matter of fact,

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<v Speaker 1>which I get, I suppose from a you know, observing

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<v Speaker 1>and evaluing the performance of a tool. But when you

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<v Speaker 1>realize that the execution of that tool is the literal

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<v Speaker 1>end of someone's life, it's pretty sobering stuff. Other parts

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<v Speaker 1>of Project Agile seemed fairly bizarre. For example, there was

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<v Speaker 1>a canine program that was part of Project Agile. In

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<v Speaker 1>this program, are But proposed developing a chemical scent that

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<v Speaker 1>dogs could detect but humans could not. And the idea

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<v Speaker 1>was that Viennamese soldiers could quietly and secretly mark large

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<v Speaker 1>groups of people with a chemical or maybe even have

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<v Speaker 1>an aircraft pass overhead and spray it out. The chemical

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<v Speaker 1>would be harmless, but it would be detectable by these canines,

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<v Speaker 1>and then Vietnamese soldiers could use dogs to track people

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<v Speaker 1>who turned up in suspicious places. As a result, AREPA

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<v Speaker 1>tested a chemical they called Squalingens, was made from shark

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<v Speaker 1>and fish liver oil. Uh The tests proved promising when

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<v Speaker 1>they were conducted over at Fort Benning, Georgia, not too

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<v Speaker 1>far from where I am. But then they took it

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<v Speaker 1>over to Vietnam and discovered that the dogs would not

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<v Speaker 1>be able to follow the scent for very long in

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<v Speaker 1>the hotter, more humid environments. Are But also developed a

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<v Speaker 1>quiet power glider meant to fly just over the jungle

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<v Speaker 1>canopy silently or near silently over in Vietnam. Rather, of course,

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<v Speaker 1>are But did not developed this itself. It funded the

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<v Speaker 1>development of this. They first reached out to the Navy

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<v Speaker 1>and got two unpowered SGS two thirty two gliders. Those

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<v Speaker 1>were made by a being called the Schweitzer Aircraft Corporation.

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<v Speaker 1>AREPA then handed those over to the company Lockeed, which

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<v Speaker 1>used its skunk Works Special Projects division. Skunk Works is

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<v Speaker 1>where all the super top secret work at Lockheed happens,

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<v Speaker 1>and Lockheed would install Volkswagen air cooled engines in the

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<v Speaker 1>gliders that would connect to the propellers. The aircraft ran

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<v Speaker 1>pretty quietly, though not as quietly as the Army would like.

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<v Speaker 1>They eventually would send the gliders back to Lockheed to

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<v Speaker 1>make some changes. Now. At one point there was talk

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<v Speaker 1>of experimenting with radar absorbing paint to reduce the radar

0:28:34.040 --> 0:28:36.920
<v Speaker 1>signature of these gliders, but the team ultimately decided that

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<v Speaker 1>that was beyond the scope of their project. The gliders

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<v Speaker 1>were in limited use during Vietnam, but more importantly, they

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<v Speaker 1>led to the development of other spy plane technology, stealth technology,

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<v Speaker 1>and unmanned drones. Project Agile also included calls for new

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<v Speaker 1>types of shotguns, new rifle grenades, uh sound cannons, cannons

0:28:58.800 --> 0:29:04.040
<v Speaker 1>that would actually use sound waves as a shock deliverer,

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<v Speaker 1>and bombs that could detonate between the top of a

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<v Speaker 1>jungle canopy and the ground below. And besides weapons, the

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<v Speaker 1>agency was funding research and stuff like anti venom kits

0:29:15.000 --> 0:29:18.040
<v Speaker 1>in the event of a snake bite. Uh. They were

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<v Speaker 1>creating leach repellent, you know, glamorous stuff. They're also funding

0:29:21.840 --> 0:29:25.000
<v Speaker 1>projects that would retrofit existing vehicles so that they could

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<v Speaker 1>move more effectively through the jungle environments. And they began

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<v Speaker 1>to work to develop more advanced communication systems to help

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<v Speaker 1>with logistics. And it was a huge undertaking and this

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<v Speaker 1>would fuel research for several years and result in many

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<v Speaker 1>more changes in US military operations, not all of them

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<v Speaker 1>good ones. Project Agile would continue until nineteen seventy four,

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<v Speaker 1>when ARPO would officially conclude it. Actually at that point

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<v Speaker 1>they were called DARPA. Between its launch and its end,

0:29:52.960 --> 0:29:56.760
<v Speaker 1>ARPO would officially kick off the Information Processing Techniques Office

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<v Speaker 1>and put J. C. R. Licklider in charge of it.

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<v Speaker 1>Liquilide Or would begin several projects that would have an

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<v Speaker 1>enormous impact, not just on the United States but the

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<v Speaker 1>entire world. That would include the first steps towards the

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<v Speaker 1>establishment of the Internet. Now I'll talk about that more

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<v Speaker 1>in the next episode. For now, let's conclude this second

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<v Speaker 1>part of our story about DARPA. We will continue our

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<v Speaker 1>look in our next episode exploring some of the more

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<v Speaker 1>bizarre things that DARP has been involved with, as well

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<v Speaker 1>as the the baby steps that would lead to the Internet.

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