Speaker 1: Today we're going to Beverly Hills. But one of the
Speaker 1: most infamous and iconic limo scenes in housewives history. This
Speaker 1: is the episode where Kyle and Kim Richards get into
Speaker 1: a blowout after Taylor Armstrong's birthday party season one. Yikes,
Speaker 1: we are bringing in O G. Beverly Hills icon tory
Speaker 1: spelling to give us the inner scoop of the nine one. Oh,
Speaker 1: this is real Housewives of Beverly Hills Season one, episode thirteen, unforgivable.
Speaker 1: Let's go Wow, she does exist. What a weird life.
Speaker 1: I remember going to the Roxy. There was like a
Speaker 1: bar upstairs and and you know, I was You were
Speaker 1: younger than I was, but I was a young woman
Speaker 1: in l A working as a p A and say
Speaker 1: by the bell and like you and Shannon came in
Speaker 1: and it's just like it was the biggest thing in
Speaker 1: the world to happen to me. You guys were just
Speaker 1: like these idols, and it's just crazy that now we're
Speaker 1: talking to each other, that you would be on my podcast.
Speaker 1: It's just funny, Like I just went back there really
Speaker 1: like one of my idols. Wait, you buried the headline
Speaker 1: you were a pa on Saved by the Bell. Yes,
Speaker 1: what I was on Saved by the Bell. I think
Speaker 1: you were, but I didn't were you? Was it before nine? O?
Speaker 1: Two and O? It was right before and then a
Speaker 1: little crossover in nine think so right, So I probably
Speaker 1: didn't know who you were, Like I think so many
Speaker 1: people came through there, Denise Richards, who I know now,
Speaker 1: So I didn't know who anybody was because they weren't
Speaker 1: who they were going to be yet exactly, you know
Speaker 1: what I mean? Um, hi and well, Hi, Hey, thank you.
Speaker 1: I'm so excited to be here. Well, I'm so excited
Speaker 1: to have you and this little show that could has
Speaker 1: become sort of a an instant sensation and it's really
Speaker 1: fun conversations about something really often stupid. So we're gonna
Speaker 1: go to ride and I just I was just on
Speaker 1: the phone Andy Kohen and Jeff Lewis because it is
Speaker 1: crazy Watch What Happens Live episode that we had and
Speaker 1: it was like an explosive, weird Watch what Happens Live
Speaker 1: that people are going crazy about. So, gosh, what happened
Speaker 1: to you? Well? I was just on the show and
Speaker 1: because of this particular podcast that you're on, which in
Speaker 1: my opinion is different because it's different sorts, types of guests,
Speaker 1: you know it. Look, Elizabeth Moss launched the show, and
Speaker 1: other people in the Bravo sphere have been like frustrated
Speaker 1: that I did it because for years I've said things
Speaker 1: about the Housewives that it was toxic for me, which
Speaker 1: it was, And so now to go back and do
Speaker 1: a show reflecting, which I don't think they're related. I
Speaker 1: think you're allowed to go back and reflect on something
Speaker 1: that may have me. Course, right, So it's been a
Speaker 1: big thing and that, of course, and the show has
Speaker 1: done extremely well. And then I went on to watch
Speaker 1: What Happens Live and the audience perceived it to be
Speaker 1: a little bit, of their words, an ambush like that.
Speaker 1: I was literally hitting fastballs to the left and to
Speaker 1: the right between Jeff Lewis and Andy more from Jeff Lewis.
Speaker 1: But it was not something that didn't, you know, require
Speaker 1: a professional tennis player, which I was last night away
Speaker 1: your game. You have to be Jeff is a good
Speaker 1: friend of mine, but you got to be on your game. Yeah,
Speaker 1: and and my daughter was there, and you know what,
Speaker 1: all this doesn't matter except to say that after me
Speaker 1: discussing it with Jeff and Andy. But not being I
Speaker 1: wasn't hurt because we're all you're I'm sure I'll hear
Speaker 1: from you soon that you're the same. We've all been
Speaker 1: beaten up for so many years, you're not even hurt it.
Speaker 1: It's just normal business, right. But to say to them
Speaker 1: it was perceived as nasty by not only the public
Speaker 1: but my daughter and my team, and they both in
Speaker 1: different ways. But really Jeff really apologized, and it was
Speaker 1: just I came to tears and it was something very
Speaker 1: simple about just I'm sorry, because nobody says I'm sorry.
Speaker 1: People just trash each other in the media. Like for
Speaker 1: someone to say I'm sorry instead of just going on
Speaker 1: their show today to go on a three week tour
Speaker 1: of bashing each other, it was actually a really nice
Speaker 1: Hallmark moment. Wow, wait, did I hear this wrong? You said,
Speaker 1: Jeff Lewis apologize. He said, I'm sorry to you, Bethany
Speaker 1: very much. So like wow, very much. So that's a
Speaker 1: Christmas wish in the making there whoa I know and
Speaker 1: and and wanted to do it publicly. Too good for him?
Speaker 1: And I said, he said, I'm you know, he just
Speaker 1: basically put with apologize in different ways about the way
Speaker 1: it went down, that it wasn't a plan, but that
Speaker 1: they acknowledge and recognize it. It It was a little intense,
Speaker 1: so it was just and but the message for me
Speaker 1: overall is that it's not what we do, it's what
Speaker 1: we do after Like, you can make a mistake, and
Speaker 1: no one's allowed to make mistakes anymore. We all know that. Nope,
Speaker 1: there are no mistakes in Hollywood especially, So all right,
Speaker 1: so Beverly Hills, Yes, you live in Beverly Hills, now,
Speaker 1: I do not. Technically I live in Hidden Hills. Oh okay,
Speaker 1: you live in Hidden Hills, which is a little like
Speaker 1: more suburbs. Yes, there's like animals everywhere, but thanks to Kardashians,
Speaker 1: it's like Beverly Hills adjacent now but with animal property. Yeah,
Speaker 1: you live in the McMansions and walk your goats down
Speaker 1: the street. You know, that's very normal. That's we're just
Speaker 1: renting in here, so we don't have the lavish lifestyle
Speaker 1: they have. But um, which is ironic you said, right,
Speaker 1: we're saying that because I grew up with it exactly. Um,
Speaker 1: I gotta say I'm an o G Beverly Hills fan.
Speaker 1: Like I watched Real Housewives of Beverly Hills. Um, well,
Speaker 1: Beverly Hills in New York. And I'm not just saying
Speaker 1: that because you were on it, but I'm just those
Speaker 1: were my two jams, and but stuck with Beverly Hills
Speaker 1: every single season, so I had to go. I was like,
Speaker 1: of course I know this episode, but I went back
Speaker 1: and rewatched it, and I watched it with my daughter,
Speaker 1: who watches every episode now, my four child, and she goes, Mom,
Speaker 1: what show is this? And I go Real Housewives of
Speaker 1: Beverly Hills and she goes, I didn't know there was
Speaker 1: another one, and why is Kyle on it? And what
Speaker 1: do you think? Well, but what's the reason. It was
Speaker 1: the fact that no one was as glamd or it
Speaker 1: was more drama or the people like what wasn't She
Speaker 1: didn't recognize the cast, like physically physically it was a
Speaker 1: whole different cast. Oh you mean that they're you mean
Speaker 1: the people are different, not that the faces are different, right,
Speaker 1: Well yeah that was really didn't know what different? Yeah, yeah, exactly, Yeah,
Speaker 1: but the people, it was physically a different cast. And
Speaker 1: she only recognized Kyle, who she said, oh my gosh,
Speaker 1: she looks so young. She looks like her daughters, and
Speaker 1: I was like, well, this is what seventeen years ago exactly. Yeah,
Speaker 1: we all changed a little bit, but she didn't recognize.
Speaker 1: And then she started to get into it and watched it,
Speaker 1: and she did it was kind of like her watching
Speaker 1: nine o two one. Oh. Now it's all a little
Speaker 1: bit slower. It's not as glam the life. It was
Speaker 1: a difference to her. Well one episode. First of all,
Speaker 1: this is before Twitter, and also one episode I know
Speaker 1: I in my life on Housewives, I was one of
Speaker 1: the first people to I think I was the first
Speaker 1: how swept to go on Twitter, which isn't like a
Speaker 1: big statement. No one was on Twitter. There was no
Speaker 1: Twitter um and back then Tamil Grammer answered her answering machine.
Speaker 1: In one of the episodes, she has a message on
Speaker 1: her fanswering machine. Okay, so also to be on the show,
Speaker 1: and I talked about it, I'll watch what happens live
Speaker 1: for people coming on. They want to show off how
Speaker 1: much money they have. They want to show I have
Speaker 1: a Ferrari, but it's least I have this the house,
Speaker 1: you know, all the secrets and Beverly Hills. But the
Speaker 1: one who's got the big house. But it's not really
Speaker 1: their house. It's mortgaged. And you know, Beverly Hills is
Speaker 1: a small, big town, and I'm thinking this, these people
Speaker 1: seem quote unquote rich, you know, because they're at the
Speaker 1: level to be on Bravo, And a lot of people
Speaker 1: coming on are fronting and stunting because they want I
Speaker 1: know specific people that have been on this show, and
Speaker 1: they want they spend money to have all this stuff
Speaker 1: because they think the show will catch up with they're
Speaker 1: spending I'll be successful because I spend this money on
Speaker 1: the show. Then I'll do well because I'll be a housewife.
Speaker 1: And then I'll start getting paid on the show to
Speaker 1: keep up with it, and I'll you know, it's a
Speaker 1: circular it's a circular reference, and it's here that as
Speaker 1: an option for me. You know, well, did you actually
Speaker 1: I think I heard like back then, did you want
Speaker 1: to be on the show? Didn't you say you would
Speaker 1: be on it? Or did you work good? Now? So
Speaker 1: here's the thing, and I've never gotten to talk to
Speaker 1: someone about it that actually knows about it. The process. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I I go off with Jenny Garth, my best friend,
Speaker 1: all the time, about him like what's wrong with me?
Speaker 1: So literally, there was always speculation I was going to
Speaker 1: be on the show, and it was like year after year,
Speaker 1: well into it, not in the o G status, but
Speaker 1: it would be like Tori spelling and talks, and I'd
Speaker 1: be like, where are these talks? They've never even called.
Speaker 1: I called my agent, did they call? And They're like, now,
Speaker 1: I've never called about you? And then I really went
Speaker 1: ballistic in my head when Jenny said, oh, yeah, they
Speaker 1: offered it to me. When year I was like, Okay,
Speaker 1: I don't have any ego at all, and I've been
Speaker 1: beaten down for years, but I gotta stay. I kind
Speaker 1: of was an o G Beverly Hills girl and they
Speaker 1: never asked me. And then double you're on the show
Speaker 1: and you're from the place. So yeah. So I'm on
Speaker 1: Watch What Happens Live and I say something to Andy
Speaker 1: because I couldn't hold it in, and I was like,
Speaker 1: I'm just gonna make a super passive aggressive comment about
Speaker 1: like no, and he he says to me, Yeah, that
Speaker 1: just doesn't make sense. I don't get I would never
Speaker 1: think of you for that show. It just I don't
Speaker 1: see the connection. And I was like, what what you're
Speaker 1: you know, all the people on it because that's usually
Speaker 1: the number one thing that you have to be. He goes, well,
Speaker 1: do you know anyone. I said, I'm friends with every
Speaker 1: single person on the show, and he goes, oh, yeah,
Speaker 1: but I just don't get it. And I was like, what,
Speaker 1: I have a feeling on I have a weird feeling.
Speaker 1: So who knows he'll hear about this. Um, I have
Speaker 1: a weird feeling. Okay, So wow, that's so interesting. Yeah, yes, okay,
Speaker 1: So going back to Taylor, So that house there in
Speaker 1: we looked at that house two rent. Now you're still married, right, Yes,
Speaker 1: I'm still married. Wow, that's a whole thing. That's another
Speaker 1: talk show. That's amazing. That's like, good for you because
Speaker 1: sticking through and like everything I've heard that's just headlines,
Speaker 1: but like the fact that you're on this you're renting
Speaker 1: a house together, says a lot about life and marriage
Speaker 1: and partnership. So um, thank you. Yeah. Yeah. I currently
Speaker 1: it's the Christmas season and I have seven kids right
Speaker 1: now because we have his x as two kids, so
Speaker 1: one from his marriage and my stepson and then her
Speaker 1: daughter living with us. So we have a big blended
Speaker 1: family right now. But more the merrier. So but that house.
Speaker 1: That house we looked at and they were like, oh, well,
Speaker 1: someone famous rented it and they were like Taylor, and
Speaker 1: I was like, oh okay. At the time, I was
Speaker 1: like I don't care. And then looking back, I'm like, oh,
Speaker 1: I looked at that house, So does that mean she
Speaker 1: was renting it because they said she didn't own it? Right,
Speaker 1: But that's the story about That's the story of the
Speaker 1: house and everything. That's the story. It's always the rent
Speaker 1: of the least. But everyone yes, okay, so let's get
Speaker 1: into it. So Kelsey Grammar, who went to Pinecrest, which
Speaker 1: is the high school that I went to, just anecdotal
Speaker 1: and I did interview to be his assistant. I wanted
Speaker 1: it so badly and I thought I got it, and
Speaker 1: then it just sort of went cold. But that was
Speaker 1: during the time that he was a very serious drinker,
Speaker 1: so that probably would have ended poorly anyway. But that's
Speaker 1: my and a friend of mine dated or was very
Speaker 1: close with a Meal when she was an MTV dancer.
Speaker 1: So that's the only like knowledge that I have of them.
Speaker 1: But she used to be on those boxes doing those
Speaker 1: MTV you know, MTV dance parties, you know. Okay, So
Speaker 1: she's a Kelsey grammar. And we start out the show
Speaker 1: and they are going to the Tony's and I think
Speaker 1: I thought it then, but certainly now it forget that.
Speaker 1: It was awkward. Many times on this you find on
Speaker 1: these shows couples that are getting divorced or something's going on,
Speaker 1: or they're just not happy. It's like having a baby.
Speaker 1: This show is like having a baby. We think it's
Speaker 1: going to save our marriage, or it's a gift that
Speaker 1: the one partners giving to the other, like I'll let it.
Speaker 1: Seem like Kelsey was like give her something to do,
Speaker 1: like give her, let her do this thing, because yeah, right, yeah,
Speaker 1: because I feel like, yeah, I feel like he didn't
Speaker 1: want her in that world. He didn't want her out there.
Speaker 1: He wanted to keep her behind him, and then all
Speaker 1: of a sudden he's like, no, no, you should go
Speaker 1: do this, put everything out there. But he had to
Speaker 1: know it was gonna end badly, right, He had to
Speaker 1: know that it was coming. He was gonna leave her,
Speaker 1: and then it was be documented on the show. From
Speaker 1: her perspective, I don't know if he was it was
Speaker 1: the beginning of the whole genre. I don't know if
Speaker 1: he thought the chest through and may I think that
Speaker 1: probably for her to be knowing the situation, for her
Speaker 1: to be on it, they said to her, he has
Speaker 1: to do it also, So who knows? You know, who knows?
Speaker 1: If you thought I was helping her set up herself
Speaker 1: financially although they pay nothing then But when he's in
Speaker 1: Matt Limo, just the simple for everyone listening the limousine.
Speaker 1: They're on the way to the Tony. She's in a big,
Speaker 1: gigantic down like she's getting an award. Kelsey Grammers in
Speaker 1: the car there with some other people, and you could
Speaker 1: tell by the terseness of his voice that he can't
Speaker 1: tolerate her. He doesn't want to be doing any of this,
Speaker 1: talking about any of this. She wants him to say
Speaker 1: she's beautiful. He can't even get the thought out. He
Speaker 1: can't even look at her right, He looks straight ahead.
Speaker 1: He won't look at her. And I'm like, God, but
Speaker 1: you're filming, like, come on, you're a pro like act
Speaker 1: for a second exactly, But it was you know what
Speaker 1: it's like when you're in a relationship or when something's
Speaker 1: going on and you turned off so bad that you
Speaker 1: can't even like muster it up for a second, he
Speaker 1: couldn't do it. I think he was trying to do it,
Speaker 1: but it just felt so awkward. I've seen it with
Speaker 1: other people. I saw it actually one time with Eric
Speaker 1: and Tom where it's like awkward between them. It's just
Speaker 1: like a spouse and you feel like they just met
Speaker 1: in a hallway, like they're in an office corporate retreat. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I get it. I just feel like he could have
Speaker 1: played it off better. He knew what he was getting into.
Speaker 1: So wait, so I'm confused for a second. So he
Speaker 1: things were bad, but he said, let's come out to
Speaker 1: New York, will go to the Tony's, will give it
Speaker 1: this weekend and see. I don't think so. I think
Speaker 1: they have kids, they're still married. He's fucking around, and
Speaker 1: you know how the game starts moving too fast. He
Speaker 1: hasn't told Camille yet, he and whoever he's with in
Speaker 1: that building, because they said in the In this show,
Speaker 1: she alluded to the fact that not alluded said that
Speaker 1: the doorman didn't recognize her, recognize the others, the other
Speaker 1: woman that he was with, So he probably hasn't said
Speaker 1: it yet. They haven't told the kids yet, or or
Speaker 1: they're playing the game. Camille knows she wants to be
Speaker 1: on this show. I know from that she wants to
Speaker 1: be on the show. She knows she's got to be
Speaker 1: a housewife, and he's playing the game with her through
Speaker 1: this little purgatory moment. I've never thought of that before.
Speaker 1: That seems like it was probably something that went down
Speaker 1: the producers could answer that that's a big more like,
Speaker 1: but why wouldn't he tell the people at the building like, Hey,
Speaker 1: I'm curtain, my wife is coming in. We haven't separated,
Speaker 1: just play along. Here's what she looks like, like, I
Speaker 1: don't know, well, first of all, dormant and know all
Speaker 1: the secrets in New York. Second of all, I do,
Speaker 1: don't you think, Camille? I mean, listen, you have the
Speaker 1: people on the on the show her actresses now, so
Speaker 1: you've got actresses playing in the roles of reality. So
Speaker 1: she did seem to like get you know, the getting
Speaker 1: the compassion, and really it's some of it felt like
Speaker 1: it was like in a real scene like she's you know,
Speaker 1: like it felt like, wait, what you know? I mean,
Speaker 1: you think all this was happening for the first time
Speaker 1: ever in front of us, that she did not know
Speaker 1: he was cheating. She did not realize a woman had
Speaker 1: been visiting the apartment. Is that where we're going with No, okay,
Speaker 1: we go with that, right, We're not going with that. Okay.
Speaker 1: I'm sorry. I'm not saying as women, but as women
Speaker 1: like that doesn't fly. We know, we know when stuff's
Speaker 1: going on. So I'm just saying from this she got
Speaker 1: that good of an actress though, No, because we could
Speaker 1: see through it. She's she's a decent actress. Kind of
Speaker 1: her friend was atrocious. Yeah, exactly, friend DEEDI was sitting
Speaker 1: there like shaking, and I know it was coming. I
Speaker 1: was like, Danie, this isn't your moment. You're not winning
Speaker 1: an Emmy here. This is about your friend. She was
Speaker 1: going for it. I'm just saying with reality TV, you
Speaker 1: have to split the difference because I believe that she
Speaker 1: wanted to do the show. It's the swan song that
Speaker 1: Kelsey's giving her. It's not the first time I've seen that.
Speaker 1: And she gets him to agree to do that weekend,
Speaker 1: and you could tell that he was grinning and not
Speaker 1: grinning and bearing white knuckling. That's that's what I'm seeing.
Speaker 1: And then all the other trappings of the affair and
Speaker 1: everything came out now they're really broken up, and she
Speaker 1: can just go wild on it that You're totally right.
Speaker 1: So that's why she's making those comments like, oh, I
Speaker 1: thought you were gonna say me, I'm the most important.
Speaker 1: It felt a little yes, this was getting digs in
Speaker 1: because she knew, Yeah she's doing it is all right, Yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: that's what I really think. Okay, so that's good. Um um.
Speaker 1: Then oh so Kyle goes to her psych Um, I
Speaker 1: want to give you a little background. Do you know Kyle, Like, well, yes, okay,
Speaker 1: so I hope I mean Hollywood, Well like Lascala, Well, yes,
Speaker 1: we see each other at well, got it? Yeah, okay,
Speaker 1: that's what I La Scala is a restaurant, one of
Speaker 1: my baby showers, which at that exactly and that's like
Speaker 1: those beautiful baby showers and everyone. So I met I
Speaker 1: was a hostess at Lascala, and I met Kyle because
Speaker 1: I was dating this guy who was an actor and
Speaker 1: I was at his house and I saw this land
Speaker 1: comb remover I don't know why, and he said it
Speaker 1: was his ex girlfriends and his ex girlfriend was Kyle.
Speaker 1: And I remember it was like twenty one dollars at
Speaker 1: the time, and I was broke, really broke. I was
Speaker 1: being paid eight dollars an hour to work at Lascala
Speaker 1: to get freeze chopped salads every day, and I she
Speaker 1: came into the restaurant. I'm sure I had seen pictures
Speaker 1: or you know, her sister was from Nanny and the
Speaker 1: professor and any sort of actor person was big face
Speaker 1: missed me like you forget it was so famous and
Speaker 1: um I said to her, did you date Lewis? And
Speaker 1: she said yes. I said, at U Kai, I don't
Speaker 1: remember what the exact exchange was, and she said yes.
Speaker 1: And I said, who pays twenty one for? I make
Speaker 1: a And we became friends, good friends, and I was
Speaker 1: Paris and Nikki's uh not. Kathy generously said I was
Speaker 1: there Nanny later, which elevated me in status. But I
Speaker 1: used to drive them to and from school, and take
Speaker 1: them to rampage at Century City, which was like Forever
Speaker 1: twenty one, and take Paris to the pet stores. And
Speaker 1: I knew Farah when she was four years old, and
Speaker 1: I knew Big Kathy. And I was in that apartment
Speaker 1: with the managed jar filled jewelry and new Kathy's daughter
Speaker 1: from the other marriage and all of it. So I
Speaker 1: this is like vintage me. Kathy has a daughter from
Speaker 1: another a merriage. I think Kathy Big Kathy. There was
Speaker 1: like a step sister, Wendy that's in the mix, and
Speaker 1: she was around all the time, and I don't know
Speaker 1: where she is now, but she was in the mix then.
Speaker 1: And because I grew up my parents were friends with
Speaker 1: the davis Is, with the Hilton's and the davis Is,
Speaker 1: Greg got married to Kim. Yes, I was around for
Speaker 1: all of that. I don't remember ever really seeing Kyle
Speaker 1: growing up, Like we used to take family vacations to
Speaker 1: pump Springs and there was never much of Kyle, but
Speaker 1: always Kathy and Kim. Well, Kathy was with Rick and
Speaker 1: high school and then they were like high school sweethearts
Speaker 1: that got married and Kim Matt Greg I think maybe
Speaker 1: in high school or right out of and they got
Speaker 1: married very young, like eighteen years old or something like.
Speaker 1: And my understanding of it was it was they were
Speaker 1: living this very wealthy, you know, Davis Oil lifestyle, and
Speaker 1: then they both got into substances and the families really
Speaker 1: wanted them to separate, like it wasn't healthy. It was
Speaker 1: the sum is not greater than its parts. That's why
Speaker 1: I always understood. So they had a crazy, long winded,
Speaker 1: nasty divorce and that was them and I dated. This
Speaker 1: is a different kind of re on which everyone's gonna
Speaker 1: love because we're going into like Beverly Hill's local team,
Speaker 1: which is more interesting than the actual show. Gresh is
Speaker 1: Kyle's thought to Andy Cohen, it's not that interesting. Yeah,
Speaker 1: well yeah, exactly, Well maybe it is. Maybe I am
Speaker 1: gonna help you. I actually think this will this will
Speaker 1: do it. Gresh was Kyle's ex husband and Fara's father.
Speaker 1: Kyle set me on a date up, set me up
Speaker 1: on a date with him, Fara's father. He's from Indonesia,
Speaker 1: so there's a lot there. I know. Oh my gosh,
Speaker 1: forget Kevin Bacon, it's six degrees of Bethany Frinkel, right
Speaker 1: the heck. I know, I know where all the bodies
Speaker 1: are buried. I know all the secrets and stories, and
Speaker 1: I knew kids. And then her whole story too, so
Speaker 1: very interesting. So Kyle goes to the psychic who really cares.
Speaker 1: She went to the psychic. Um that I care because
Speaker 1: I love psychics and Rebecca is huge. I've always intended
Speaker 1: to go to her, but have not. Oh then you
Speaker 1: tell me so famous. So this particular psychic uber famous.
Speaker 1: Do you think the show made her famous or she
Speaker 1: was famous before before? Oh she's a thing. She's a thing.
Speaker 1: She's one of the big ones in l A. Yeah,
Speaker 1: and you think it's real. Yeah, I've heard amazing things
Speaker 1: from everybody about Rebecca always. Why haven't you gone? I
Speaker 1: don't know. After last night, I'm like, oh, yeah, I
Speaker 1: forgot about Rebecca. I gotta go. Okay, so we gotta
Speaker 1: get in touch with Rebecca. Wow, okay, Because sometimes I
Speaker 1: see these scenes with people on the shows and it
Speaker 1: doesn't check, like the one at the housewife dinner party
Speaker 1: from Hell that woman didn't apparently check out after the
Speaker 1: crazy one with the East cigarette. But wait, wasn't that
Speaker 1: the famous medium that they did the show after? But
Speaker 1: then I was on with Dave Portnoy. He came on
Speaker 1: here and we did research. My producers did research, and
Speaker 1: the police departments and I don't know if it was
Speaker 1: the FBI, the people investigating crimes said that they later
Speaker 1: had to make a comment after the show, saying none
Speaker 1: of the advice she gave ever led to solving any crimes.
Speaker 1: Like they literally made public statements. Yeah, so that's why
Speaker 1: I was I gotta say, what was her name? I
Speaker 1: forget her name. Um, I have no idea, will figure
Speaker 1: your Tricia Arquette played her right exactly. She knew a
Speaker 1: friend of mine who was a makeup artist, and she
Speaker 1: had done her makeup and she said, Um, this famous
Speaker 1: medium said you're going to have huge financial problems one day,
Speaker 1: and then you're going to write a book and make millions.
Speaker 1: I went on to have huge financial problems, like I
Speaker 1: lost everything at some point. This is way before, So
Speaker 1: she is credible. I mean, you met that same woman, bro,
Speaker 1: you make the crazy woman yourself and she I haven't
Speaker 1: met her, my makeup artist, and this is literally probably
Speaker 1: fifteen years ago. Um, and she said, yeah, she's gonna
Speaker 1: have huge financial problems. I was like on top of
Speaker 1: the world, Reality TV, everything then, and uh, she's gonna
Speaker 1: lose everything and then she's going to build it back
Speaker 1: and write a huge book and tell women how to
Speaker 1: get back on track. But I'm still I'm still waiting
Speaker 1: for that. But why was she telling your makeup artists
Speaker 1: stuff about you? Why isn't she telling Okay, she wanted debate, Okay,
Speaker 1: well all right, well listen everybody, even if fault is
Speaker 1: right twice a day. Yeah, she's somewhat, she's somewhat le Okay,
Speaker 1: so we have that guy Cedric, which that whole thing
Speaker 1: was bizarre. This is I mean, it was fun to
Speaker 1: look at the hot guys who's living with Lisa and Ken.
Speaker 1: Lisa looked beautiful, by the way, like she really did
Speaker 1: you know that weren't like what I was like Jacqueline
Speaker 1: Smith old like old Charlie's Angels days. It was really pretty.
Speaker 1: They all looked great. I was just looking at their
Speaker 1: skin and I was like, these are things you don't
Speaker 1: realize but seventeen years ago, Wow, skin texture, you forget
Speaker 1: that just yeah changes, Yeah, they were all going. So
Speaker 1: Lisa didn't you know, because I've been talking about my
Speaker 1: mount Rushmoors of housewives and I've been dabbling with whether
Speaker 1: she would be one, because I thought that she was.
Speaker 1: She didn't seem to get particularly invested or dirty in
Speaker 1: this episode, like she seems some some housewives sort of
Speaker 1: ride on the outskirts, aren't really like right in the
Speaker 1: meat of the matter, and I felt that she was
Speaker 1: sort of not really in the meat of any matter
Speaker 1: on this particular show. You think like even she didn't
Speaker 1: get dirty at all. So is that how she blew up?
Speaker 1: Is that she just like went on the outskirts for
Speaker 1: a while, got everyone in, and then it's usually not
Speaker 1: a good formula because it's sort of that like Jacqueline
Speaker 1: Loreta be nice to everybody, be friends with that one,
Speaker 1: don't really get dirty. It was never a good formula
Speaker 1: on The Apprentice either. To fly under the radar works
Speaker 1: for a while until it doesn't um, But I think
Speaker 1: she later gets more into it. I did not. I
Speaker 1: guess I didn't really realize. I knew they were good
Speaker 1: friends and I met Lisa through Kyle, but that they
Speaker 1: were best friends, like really best friends. And I also
Speaker 1: was just so moved by We talked about it a
Speaker 1: lot with Jersey, but you don't talk about it a
Speaker 1: lot with Beverly Hills. This show started as a family show.
Speaker 1: You Kyle and Kim coming on this show together. Yeah, seriously,
Speaker 1: you're right. It started as a family show. And I
Speaker 1: know that they were going to do another show with Kathy,
Speaker 1: and Kathy wasn't that thrilled because the two of them
Speaker 1: branched off and came over here to do this show.
Speaker 1: And I don't think at that time Rava wanted Kathy
Speaker 1: and now she's like a breakaway star. But at that
Speaker 1: time I was really about the two of them, and
Speaker 1: it was that was the beginning of some drama because
Speaker 1: the two of them were wanted to do some television
Speaker 1: aspect and it pulled over to the Housewives versus doing
Speaker 1: something on their own with Kathy. I don't know if
Speaker 1: you know that. No, I didn't know. I just assumed
Speaker 1: watching it back, I was like, oh, wow, yeah, it
Speaker 1: really did start with the two of them. I guess
Speaker 1: they didn't something that wasn't going right. There's always a
Speaker 1: problem with those three, like there's someone's always pickering. So
Speaker 1: I was like, oh, maybe they weren't getting along with Kathy.
Speaker 1: At the time, I didn't really under stand, but I
Speaker 1: was like, wow, it did take me back to how
Speaker 1: you know, you can't cast things that it always comes
Speaker 1: through whether it's authentic, and I was like, wow, this
Speaker 1: is where it all started. Like it's super authentic, super authentic,
Speaker 1: and usually play dates of three don't work. It's back
Speaker 1: in my day in Lascala with Fara at four years
Speaker 1: old and Kyle. Cathy was like another mother to Kyle.
Speaker 1: Cathy ran the show. Kyle was a young girl dating
Speaker 1: Maurice Ceo. I was with her, you know, and during
Speaker 1: the time that she met him, he was in the
Speaker 1: garment industry. He wasn't particularly wealthy. He was just working,
Speaker 1: you know. He had promise and his family came from
Speaker 1: a nice family. But Cathy was the one living in
Speaker 1: Jocqueline Smith's house with like at that time years ago,
Speaker 1: they had Channel bags. I didn't know what Chanelle bag
Speaker 1: was like. They had Faberge eggs in their closet and
Speaker 1: Judith Lieber bags and like, you know, but that was
Speaker 1: really Cathy was the one who made good, Like she
Speaker 1: married a Hilton, and Kyle was still finding her way
Speaker 1: and young, and Hathy was in charge. Which I think
Speaker 1: we always feel the same way in Dynamics, and I
Speaker 1: do sometimes see that with Kyle and Kathy where she's
Speaker 1: like a little nervous disappoint her and like with Kyle,
Speaker 1: came in to our own on her own, and I
Speaker 1: think that upset the apple cart, it did. I wonder
Speaker 1: what the show would have been like if the three
Speaker 1: of them had started on that show. Very amazing question.
Speaker 1: It would they would have come in with Kathy sort
Speaker 1: of as the boss. And I think when Kathy came
Speaker 1: in later, she was coming into Kyle's show. So there's
Speaker 1: a little bit of deference between Ky and Kathy that
Speaker 1: always will be there, just like you with a parent
Speaker 1: or somebody that you know, even if it's people have
Speaker 1: family dynamics, and even if it's something negative, they always
Speaker 1: like you could be a billionaire and coward to your father,
Speaker 1: who is you know, delivering male because there's a dynamic
Speaker 1: that was set where they're smarter than you, they're better
Speaker 1: than they're just like there was a dynamic set early on,
Speaker 1: and Kathy was the matriarch and Kyle kind of just
Speaker 1: like wanted her approval and listened and that she shaken up.
Speaker 1: She was vander Pump. Vander went on to be yes,
Speaker 1: but I met in their family like she was the
Speaker 1: boss of the girls. You know, it was like she
Speaker 1: was the mini big Kathy from my perspective, you still
Speaker 1: see that exactly. But when Kyle went off and made
Speaker 1: her her own decisions and lived her own life with
Speaker 1: her own husband, that shook it all up between the families,
Speaker 1: which is you know, and I would I I know
Speaker 1: where I know a lot of secrets and I will
Speaker 1: not share any of Kyle's secrets or the family secrets.
Speaker 1: But I'm saying this is just dynamics, um, and that's okay. Yeah,
Speaker 1: and that's so and kids coming back. I can't imagine
Speaker 1: Kathy won't come back. She for whatever reason. And I
Speaker 1: talked to Nicky and Paris about like, what the hell
Speaker 1: she doing this for? But she she likes it. She
Speaker 1: likes it, and she's a great she's great. And in fairness,
Speaker 1: she's grown up with Harris being the most famous person
Speaker 1: in the universe, Nikki being another famous person in that sphere,
Speaker 1: Kyle becoming super famous, growing up with Kim as a
Speaker 1: sister who was major child star. But she's the only
Speaker 1: one who isn't. Kid points out in this episode every interview. Oh,
Speaker 1: let's go into it. Okay, So now we have Kim
Speaker 1: who you she was a real child star and she
Speaker 1: does point that out a lot. Oh my god, returned
Speaker 1: to a Witch Mountain, returned to Witch Mountain. That was
Speaker 1: everything when I was a kid, same like, it was
Speaker 1: real and she was beautiful And how hard does that
Speaker 1: have to be? Listen, you've seen every single person in
Speaker 1: how we've been through being a child star. You've been scrutinized.
Speaker 1: You've been famous, you've been less famous, you felt relevant,
Speaker 1: less relevant. How hard does that have to be with
Speaker 1: her going from being the one big star she was
Speaker 1: mcaulay Culkin in her household and in l A. I mean,
Speaker 1: she had her chance. It could have been her American
Speaker 1: horror story. She could have had her comeback on The Housewives,
Speaker 1: saying the Housewives, Yeah, because McAuley Culkin, did you see
Speaker 1: among American horse story. Yes, that's a great great your smell,
Speaker 1: I like your smart that's a great right. This is
Speaker 1: her chance her Lisa were, uh, you know, yes, interesting, Yes,
Speaker 1: And I will say and I'm going to defend Kyle,
Speaker 1: not because we're friends, not. I'm totally straight up one hundred.
Speaker 1: I've known him for years and I knew she had
Speaker 1: struggles and there was she was somewhat dramatic and problematic
Speaker 1: for others in the family, and by and large in
Speaker 1: this Semmario, Kyle is is mostly right. I don't agree
Speaker 1: with that how everybody treated him in certain ways, but
Speaker 1: Kyle really didn't. She didn't really do anything. But I
Speaker 1: feel like they went back and saw what they had
Speaker 1: in this episode and what happens in the limo and
Speaker 1: what Kim says and what Kyle says, and they went
Speaker 1: back and asked her the right interview questions. They they
Speaker 1: asked him the right interview questions. But but on face value,
Speaker 1: on face value, you have him, I guess didn't speak
Speaker 1: up and defend Kyle at another dinner, which I understand.
Speaker 1: She's a meek person who doesn't. But I understand that
Speaker 1: in a way because she's a person who doesn't want confidt.
Speaker 1: That makes that tracks to me? Does that track to you? Yes?
Speaker 1: So that tracks and so Kyle's going in hard. When
Speaker 1: I'm considering my mouth Rushmoores, I did now consider Kyle
Speaker 1: Moore because that was the beginning of this whole ride
Speaker 1: of house was and I feel like she was bold,
Speaker 1: like you saw her. She was a little bit like
Speaker 1: a dog on a bone at that party, Kyle, like
Speaker 1: she was saying what she felt. People became more and
Speaker 1: more guarded in this series. Years later, she was like
Speaker 1: not guard you know. She was like, I'm a housewife
Speaker 1: and I'm going to say it. There's the cameras and
Speaker 1: we're going to go into it now. And I did
Speaker 1: feel like there were plenty of years were where Kyle
Speaker 1: kind of stayed even keeled neutral and didn't jump in
Speaker 1: too much. Now, well, I've thought that too. She had
Speaker 1: some time. Yeah, I agree. I agree, and to the
Speaker 1: point where I would talk to newbies watching the show
Speaker 1: because I'm an O G watcher and my stepson is
Speaker 1: twenty four and when he started watching was way into it.
Speaker 1: He was like, Kyle was boring. And I was like,
Speaker 1: don't never say that. Kyle is not boring. And then
Speaker 1: I was like, have you watched from the beginning and
Speaker 1: he was like no, and I was like, and now
Speaker 1: he loves Kyle. But there was that moment and yeah,
Speaker 1: she really spoke her mind back then. But going back
Speaker 1: to Kim thing, Yeah, I know, Kim felt like she
Speaker 1: was meek and she didn't want to say anything in
Speaker 1: front of people, but Kyle gave her an opportunity. She said, Kim,
Speaker 1: you were there. You were the only one there. Like
Speaker 1: she was saying to her, now was your moment? Please?
Speaker 1: She like gave her that in it's your sister, like
Speaker 1: even if you don't feel comfortable, you gotta say yeah.
Speaker 1: But there was a thing that this is why you
Speaker 1: kind of go on television with family member in this manner.
Speaker 1: But there was a saying at the bar where Kim
Speaker 1: we're talking about the end. It's Taylor's thirty ninth birthday. Um,
Speaker 1: we're gonna get into the maloof woman because I found
Speaker 1: that to be something I want to discuss too. But
Speaker 1: we're on a rooftop party and Kyle comes in and
Speaker 1: it just starts right away. She mentioned to the audience
Speaker 1: and to everybody else that Kim has been drinking, which
Speaker 1: I didn't find on that night to be a particular problem.
Speaker 1: She didn't seem wasted at all, no, which was odd
Speaker 1: because we've seen her like at parties and events who
Speaker 1: are like, oh, she's wasted. No, she didn't seem at all.
Speaker 1: So where was that coming from? Then? Right? That was
Speaker 1: a thing where I didn't really see that. But there
Speaker 1: was a moment where Kim is like whatever, I'm paraphrasing,
Speaker 1: But she looked at Kyle and was like, don't you
Speaker 1: go there? Like she warned her in a way that
Speaker 1: you see on certain reunions, and you see with like
Speaker 1: Jersey reunions of family members like don't you go there?
Speaker 1: And I don't know if that was like a foreshadowing
Speaker 1: to what was happening in the car, or if that's
Speaker 1: like we're family and don't you get into my addiction,
Speaker 1: or if it's like don't you get into that I
Speaker 1: was paying for your house, or like whatever that ship
Speaker 1: was and then the stuff, but the mother came out
Speaker 1: like that was I picked you because you're from Beverly Hills,
Speaker 1: and we picked this episode because it's an iconic episode,
Speaker 1: and many times these iconic episodes are just these one
Speaker 1: scene that just crystallizes so many things, the dynamics and family,
Speaker 1: and then in this situation, it kind of was irreparable.
Speaker 1: Like I bet you they still to this day haven't
Speaker 1: come back from that scene in that limo. They can't.
Speaker 1: There's no way, you know, either you forget or you forgive,
Speaker 1: but you don't do both or either really like you
Speaker 1: know you just I I don't know in that moment
Speaker 1: where she said don't you go there, I don't know
Speaker 1: where she was going, Like it couldn't possibly possibly have
Speaker 1: been the house, Like why why would that come up?
Speaker 1: If it was the addiction thing? It could be. I
Speaker 1: think it had a little addiction and a little Cathy,
Speaker 1: like a little christ Jan or a little like don't
Speaker 1: funk around with the family on this show right now,
Speaker 1: because when you went to reality show TV, don't forget
Speaker 1: this was not He just says, we're talking like you
Speaker 1: said seventeen years now later into reality TV and what
Speaker 1: we all know is normal, like then the Housewives, wasn't
Speaker 1: this phenomenon and what Okay? So back then when you
Speaker 1: went when I went on and I wanted to be
Speaker 1: a natural food chep, I thought I was going to
Speaker 1: be able to not get into any of this personal
Speaker 1: stuff and just talk about that I wanted to be
Speaker 1: a natural food chef. And then all my my boyfriend
Speaker 1: was like, just so all you're seeing just talk about cooking,
Speaker 1: like immediately you are launched out of a cannon and
Speaker 1: into this type of stuff. So I imagine when they
Speaker 1: signed on and Kathy wasn't part of it, and they
Speaker 1: had that already dispute about the fact that Kathy, you know,
Speaker 1: they were going to go off and do another show.
Speaker 1: Kathy and camera sitting here and we're getting into it.
Speaker 1: We're already going against the family on national television. So
Speaker 1: I think it could have been something like that. Do
Speaker 1: you think they discussed that before, like Okay, we're gonna
Speaker 1: do this, We're not gonna discuss anything about the family
Speaker 1: any past secrets and and was that something Kim was like, Okay,
Speaker 1: I've had past addiction stuff. I don't want to talk
Speaker 1: about that pile. Don't ever bring that up. There must
Speaker 1: have been ground rules within the family set well, like
Speaker 1: I'm I think probably a little. But also, you don't
Speaker 1: know what this show is. It's my show is called Manhattan.
Speaker 1: Mom's about moms trying to get their kids into school.
Speaker 1: Like you don't know what the words mean. You've seen
Speaker 1: Orange County. It was like, like the biggest thing that
Speaker 1: ever happened on our show is Kelly saying I'm up,
Speaker 1: you're and you're down here? Now people are you know,
Speaker 1: sending people to jail like that. It's just not the
Speaker 1: same level. So I don't know that you can prepare.
Speaker 1: And the game starts moving too fast, real fast. I
Speaker 1: had a scene where I was with a guy I
Speaker 1: was in a relationship and we were actually talking about
Speaker 1: moving in but he didn't want to be on TV.
Speaker 1: And I was like, so why do they can move
Speaker 1: in together? And he's like, we'll talk about it later.
Speaker 1: I'm like right and thinking in my head, oh, but
Speaker 1: the cameras are right there, So let's just say something.
Speaker 1: It sounds to drip it in frosting, but but like
Speaker 1: and knowing that I'm now sweating because the world's gonna
Speaker 1: say no. But when do you think, like and they're
Speaker 1: all gonna think he doesn't like love me and I'm
Speaker 1: gonna feel like a loser, And when do you think
Speaker 1: he's like, we'll talk about it, Like he must have
Speaker 1: said that five times. I was dying inside. The game
Speaker 1: is moving too fast, like, so that's what I think
Speaker 1: Kim is going through, Like don't you fucking like, don't
Speaker 1: go down whatever road you're going down right now, you know.
Speaker 1: So that's what I think. I don't know if it
Speaker 1: was necessarily um specific. I also I wrote notes here,
Speaker 1: I didn't think Kim did anything wrong. I felt like
Speaker 1: it was disproportionate at that point, the way everyone was
Speaker 1: coming in to her, it was crazy. Do you feel
Speaker 1: like something else was shot didn't make it? I mean
Speaker 1: they filmed so much not everything makes it obviously like
Speaker 1: the lead up wasn't with the payoff, like it didn't
Speaker 1: match up. That's what I thought when the four were
Speaker 1: standing around her, And but I also thought her saying
Speaker 1: everyone ganged up on her. They did, but like nothing
Speaker 1: really happened. What happened, Nothing really happened. Kim came to
Speaker 1: a party, was a little wasted that we didn't notice.
Speaker 1: She didn't support Kyle in New York. Big deal. It
Speaker 1: wasn't like, and that's what I'm trying to say to you.
Speaker 1: Back then, Nuance was so big. It wasn't like someone
Speaker 1: through their leg on a dance floor, you know what
Speaker 1: I mean, Yes, that's yeah, and now that would be like, yeah,
Speaker 1: small pennies, but um yeah, like my dad had written
Speaker 1: the show, like there would have been a scene before something,
Speaker 1: there would have been a smaller lead up and before
Speaker 1: the big exactly. So now we're in this freaking limo.
Speaker 1: Can you even? But there are these little nuances that
Speaker 1: I noticed, like when Kim is saying to him can
Speaker 1: be dramatic, and that I knew from my personal life,
Speaker 1: like there's just always a thing and you know people
Speaker 1: you that I always have some big dramatic thing going on,
Speaker 1: and it's always where things are always happening to them,
Speaker 1: and there's just always the thing and this person is
Speaker 1: always pulling focus. That's just personal behind the scenes team.
Speaker 1: So when Kyle's in the corner of the car, and
Speaker 1: she looks over and she's like, what are you doing now?
Speaker 1: As a reality person? You know where all the cameras
Speaker 1: have gone. So she knows that there's like a scene
Speaker 1: going on. The producers have said to her there's something
Speaker 1: going on in the car. She's in there with the
Speaker 1: maloof girl and who and the guy heard her one
Speaker 1: time date. And so Kyle gets in the car and
Speaker 1: when she's like what, she's basically being like what is that? Like,
Speaker 1: what are you doing over here? Like meeting? Pulling a
Speaker 1: scene to the side, and what are you talk She's like,
Speaker 1: you can never compare Kyle to Kelly Ben Simone. But
Speaker 1: when Kelly Ben someone stayed awake later at Scary Island
Speaker 1: and kept coming down and everyone was like, go to sleep,
Speaker 1: it was because she knew the people were talking about her,
Speaker 1: and if she goes to sleep, the scene is still
Speaker 1: going on, so like, what the hell is going on?
Speaker 1: So this is not to be compared. I'm just saying
Speaker 1: Kyle got in that car. Matt talked to Kim per
Speaker 1: Se to be like this scene, like what do you what?
Speaker 1: What are you doing right now? Like what is this
Speaker 1: over here that you're making a thing out of like
Speaker 1: what right? That's that was? Like she didn't want whatever
Speaker 1: drama kid was causing in the corner, like getting the
Speaker 1: sympathy card from these guys, like that's what was going on.
Speaker 1: Everyone was mean to me. They picked on me, Like
Speaker 1: that was that scene too? In my opinion, what do
Speaker 1: you think? I mean, you don't think a producer was like,
Speaker 1: we need to get Kyle in that car right now. Yes,
Speaker 1: but when she got in, I know, Kyle, why is she?
Speaker 1: Like what are you doing? Like exactly what was happening?
Speaker 1: And who was talking? And you know your kid and
Speaker 1: they're doing something. You're putting out some little act and
Speaker 1: it's an act and you're just like what do you
Speaker 1: what are you doing? What are you doing right now?
Speaker 1: You know? And your kids are like trying to It
Speaker 1: was like that. It was like that. So yeah, they
Speaker 1: got her in there. But when she got into that's
Speaker 1: what she saw. Um you know what, I love that
Speaker 1: you have now mentioned Adrian the loof twice, but you
Speaker 1: call her that maloof girl? What I forgot her name
Speaker 1: for a minute, and and I had a couple of
Speaker 1: things I wanted to say about her. Um, well, we
Speaker 1: could take a side trip before we get into the
Speaker 1: house and the mother and the yeah no, because I thought,
Speaker 1: you know, when I was watching back then, she seemed
Speaker 1: like she had had a lot of work done to
Speaker 1: me as a viewer and as I when I was
Speaker 1: looking back now, I was like, she's really pretty, like
Speaker 1: I thought Adrian Mouth was very pretty. She had a
Speaker 1: sparkled her eyes. There was something that I liked about her,
Speaker 1: and she had like a soft nature. And I'm finding
Speaker 1: and watching shows back now, I'm having a I'm um,
Speaker 1: there's a fondness for characters that I I didn't have
Speaker 1: a five Alex McCord now, I respect in a different
Speaker 1: way for being wise and you know, just sitting back
Speaker 1: sometimes and being poised. And I had that same respect
Speaker 1: for Adrian because two times I've watched her now like
Speaker 1: genuinely not wanting to be dealing with this drama. Probably
Speaker 1: not afraid, she just genuinely doesn't want to deal with it.
Speaker 1: I agree with you. I was excited to watch this
Speaker 1: show when it first came out because I knew Adrian Malouf.
Speaker 1: We had lived in the same and Paul with lived
Speaker 1: in the same apartment building. The Wilsher on Wilsher um
Speaker 1: when I was in my early twenties and I was like,
Speaker 1: Oh my gosh, they're going to be on this show.
Speaker 1: So I was excited to watch, and then I was like,
Speaker 1: I am kind of bored by her, and now watching
Speaker 1: her back last night, I was like, I want to
Speaker 1: see more of her. I really like her. I did too.
Speaker 1: And it's funny because she was Dave Porten always favorite
Speaker 1: and that other crazy dinner party from hell because she
Speaker 1: seemed like she had her wits about her. There's also,
Speaker 1: after so many years of seeing this, there's something to
Speaker 1: be said for someone who's not so thirsty for the
Speaker 1: attention to be grabbing every moment in every scene, and
Speaker 1: that was admirable. And she and her husband could not
Speaker 1: stand each other. It was just very hated each other.
Speaker 1: Oh my god, except people was trying to feed her.
Speaker 1: Was that being passed up aggressive THEO because she didn't
Speaker 1: want to eat? Like? It felt fake. A lot of
Speaker 1: these relationships and the dynamics between them, whilst being on
Speaker 1: TV and wanting to be good characters seemed fake. I
Speaker 1: don't know. I just kept going back to like, oh,
Speaker 1: he hates her, and then I was like, Oh, he's
Speaker 1: trying to make her late. I don't know. I'm a Jew.
Speaker 1: We like to feed people. So she was more turned off. Yes, yeah,
Speaker 1: you're right, she was not. She thought he was a
Speaker 1: big baby, like when he was winding. In another episode,
Speaker 1: he was winding his daughter had punched him in the
Speaker 1: face by accident or her son. Some baby punched him
Speaker 1: in the face and like broke his nose or hurt him.
Speaker 1: And she she was like crimere River, She's not. She
Speaker 1: just is not into him. So back when I lived
Speaker 1: in the apartment building, um no one knows the story,
Speaker 1: I don't think, but um Adrian Malouf's dog. She had
Speaker 1: like a teacup poodle and we had an elevator. And
Speaker 1: my housekeeper who's still with me, Isabelle, who's been with
Speaker 1: me since nine years old and worked from my mom
Speaker 1: since I was thirteen. She's like a grandma to my
Speaker 1: kids and everything. So we had a very close relationship.
Speaker 1: And it was Christmas time and she went down to
Speaker 1: storage to get some ornaments and she came up and
Speaker 1: she goes bad news, Mommy. She called me mommy, and
Speaker 1: I was like, isabel what's wrong, and she's like a
Speaker 1: dog attacked me in the elevator, and her ankle was
Speaker 1: getting too severed, a nerve. She still has problems with
Speaker 1: it to this day. But apparently the elevator stopped on
Speaker 1: their floor or stopped at the bottom, and she didn't
Speaker 1: have the dog on a leash. The dog ran in
Speaker 1: and attacked Isabel and Adrian, who I'm friendly with now,
Speaker 1: who was so lovely. I don't think she even remembers
Speaker 1: this happened way by then. Um, she was like, I'm
Speaker 1: so sorry, can I get you help? I have to
Speaker 1: get to an appointment. So she got the valet to
Speaker 1: come in and attend to Isabel, and then this whole
Speaker 1: thing went on. I had to take Isabel the hospital
Speaker 1: and then it was this whole thing. But she wanted
Speaker 1: Paul to see Isabel, and I was like, isn't it
Speaker 1: a plastic surgeon And she was like, well, my husband
Speaker 1: is a doctor. He can look at your ankle. So yeah,
Speaker 1: that's how I remember them. There was a crazy story.
Speaker 1: That's a crazy story. And also though which this is
Speaker 1: a dynamic, she's clearly the moneyed spouse at that time.
Speaker 1: Now he's got his own show and he's got his
Speaker 1: own identity, but at that time, yes, he's a plastic surgery.
Speaker 1: He's making money in Beverly Hills. No one's crying for him.
Speaker 1: But she's the maloof and that sticks a good ankle.
Speaker 1: But maybe he does a good face. I don't know exactly,
Speaker 1: but he she was the moneyed spouse at that time,
Speaker 1: or you know, and that can be emasculating for both parties. Absolutely,
Speaker 1: you know, it's hard to be your You were the spelling,
Speaker 1: we are the actress. We all know, you know, we
Speaker 1: all we know about this. So think about that emasculation
Speaker 1: level and over compensation, over compensation about it and why? Yeah, like,
Speaker 1: what can I add to this? I can at least
Speaker 1: get her something while she's starting on the show and
Speaker 1: running around and doing all this. I can at least
Speaker 1: get her some food. So that was admirable, got it? Oh?
Speaker 1: I just because I wrote in a watch your step?
Speaker 1: That was what Kim said to Kyle, watch you watch
Speaker 1: your step? Watch something Kyle said, you watch your step? Okay,
Speaker 1: you watch your step? Right? And there was I wrote
Speaker 1: down in capital letters. I take copious notes. I wrote
Speaker 1: down gas lighting because it felt like I wrote down
Speaker 1: child didn't do anything like either I meant that she
Speaker 1: didn't do anything wrong or she didn't do anything to
Speaker 1: help Kim, but I wrote Kim was playing the martyr role.
Speaker 1: It was this combination of Kim being the martyr, and
Speaker 1: you know, I thought Kyle didn't do anything him wrong.
Speaker 1: I think that's what I thought. I thought him was
Speaker 1: a little bit of a martyr. I was like, it
Speaker 1: wasn't It wasn't entirely anyone's fault. That that's my my point.
Speaker 1: Like Kim was a baby, But I didn't think that
Speaker 1: it was all one way. It just seemed like there
Speaker 1: was other stuff we weren't getting in the in between.
Speaker 1: And then the limo fly popped off. Well, definitely, it
Speaker 1: all started with Taylor. I mean, let's let's be honest.
Speaker 1: Taylor was like, oh this first of all, when Russell
Speaker 1: said it's her thirtieth birthday, I was like thirty, and
Speaker 1: I had him almost believed it. Yeah, I did, and
Speaker 1: felt bad about myself for a second because we're all human.
Speaker 1: But I was like, shoot, she's only thirty in this
Speaker 1: and then there and I was like okay, okay, but
Speaker 1: the party was just okay. So that's a lot of pressure.
Speaker 1: So Taylor's like, well, how can I kick it up
Speaker 1: and notch? Well, this is my go to storyline. So
Speaker 1: I got to jump in and attack Kim. I mean
Speaker 1: she as hacker, but she went back in and brought
Speaker 1: it up. I wouldn't be doing that on my birthday party.
Speaker 1: I'd be like, I just wanna have a good time.
Speaker 1: I don't want to rehash old stuff with somebody. But
Speaker 1: well you wouldn't. Also, you wouldn't be rude to a guest,
Speaker 1: which is where reality TV becomes non reality TV, because
Speaker 1: there are a bunch of producers, a bunch of cameras.
Speaker 1: You'll if you're good at your job, you know, if
Speaker 1: nothing's happening, you're feeling self conscious and aware of the surroundings.
Speaker 1: And unlike nine o two on Oh, there's no right writing,
Speaker 1: so it's something has to happen in a scene. And
Speaker 1: so Taylor is a better housewife. Then we gave her
Speaker 1: credit for probably because she seemed to be lighting a
Speaker 1: flame and that her on birthday. But in real life,
Speaker 1: you wouldn't at your birthday party, or if you're a
Speaker 1: host on your own show, someone comes in, you're not
Speaker 1: gonna attack somebody at your party. It happened at the
Speaker 1: Jersey Baptism. Joe Gorga attacks Teresa verbally and then attacks
Speaker 1: her husband physically, her kids baptism. So that's where it happened, right, actresses,
Speaker 1: You have actresses and you have reality television at a
Speaker 1: birthday party, right, So she was doing her job. Okay, Yeah,
Speaker 1: So she was doing her job and Kim, you know,
Speaker 1: does a little bit of this victim thing, which she
Speaker 1: always does, which she always does, and then it comes
Speaker 1: out Kyle's pushed. What pushes her? She said. She says
Speaker 1: something to Kaim like, don't do this, don't do this,
Speaker 1: something about oh. She says, mom died worrying about you,
Speaker 1: which tracks by the way, I believe it, like not,
Speaker 1: I believe that. I believe it, and Kyle really was
Speaker 1: close to her mom. I was friend to Kyle when
Speaker 1: Kyle lived with Fara in Big Cathy's apartment on South Swall,
Speaker 1: South Wall, so we I used to go in my
Speaker 1: Ford probe after working as Scala over to Kyle's upstairs
Speaker 1: hang out with Kathy, smoking cigarettes, showing us the jewelry
Speaker 1: in our mannai'se jar. Kyle had the big giant Mercedes
Speaker 1: and the big and the Chanelle Burt bag and went
Speaker 1: to Lascala every day for the chop cell with with
Speaker 1: Kathy and we used to hang out and go to
Speaker 1: the Gate that club, the gate Gate and Bar One
Speaker 1: and that's when she met Mauricio and she always liked
Speaker 1: to have fun Kyle, So that was my error. And
Speaker 1: Kim splits back then. No, I never saw them back then.
Speaker 1: It's funny you said that. Funny you said that, but
Speaker 1: I don't remember. I think Faye was in the mix
Speaker 1: then and they still buddy. She grew up knowing Michael Jackson.
Speaker 1: She was best friends of Moon Zappa, Like you know,
Speaker 1: I was dating down by being friends with me. You know,
Speaker 1: she was. She knew everybody and was everybody, and um,
Speaker 1: I you know that it's a thing friending down. I've
Speaker 1: never heard. I just made it up. Yeah she was,
Speaker 1: she was friending down. Yeah. But there was stuff with
Speaker 1: Kim back then too, like it was always. She had
Speaker 1: had a tragedy. She had the bad divorce with Greg
Speaker 1: Davis that went on millions of dollars and years trying
Speaker 1: to get her kids. Yeah, and then there was another
Speaker 1: the mom Auntie the father saw a show. Who I mean,
Speaker 1: she's had a rough life and she was a child
Speaker 1: star who peeked and then couldn't be self sufficient. So
Speaker 1: she always was, you know, had some sadness and it
Speaker 1: was something that weighed down the family. So now she's
Speaker 1: saying mom died worrying about you, So Kim is somebody
Speaker 1: to worry about. You know, that was something that that happened,
Speaker 1: and that's a big thing to throw at somebody. Though.
Speaker 1: Good for you. You're right, Tori Spelling. That's ah, you're right,
Speaker 1: because you know what. It took me to a place
Speaker 1: where I was like, God, if someone has ever said,
Speaker 1: you know, your dad died worried about you, or what
Speaker 1: would happen to you? Like not that I was in
Speaker 1: Kim same place, but like just worried about my life. Ah, God,
Speaker 1: that would be I wouldn't went to the bar and
Speaker 1: just started chugging at that point, because that's major national TV.
Speaker 1: That's huge sore because you want to say that you
Speaker 1: want to talk about that moment, right, you're in that
Speaker 1: moment still, and I'm like, on the whole, you're right,
Speaker 1: like I am just going moving forward in the seat.
Speaker 1: You can't that's something back you can't take back. And
Speaker 1: if you really look at that one line, and I'm
Speaker 1: just realizing this too, as we're talking because at the
Speaker 1: time I was like watching it last night, I was like, oh,
Speaker 1: I'm all pro Kyle, and I adore Kyle in real life,
Speaker 1: so I'm like, but that whole scene that happens in
Speaker 1: the limo, it's all justified. Like after saying something like
Speaker 1: that mom died worrying about you, Well, that's why. And
Speaker 1: people always say, like they say that I flashed the Housewives.
Speaker 1: What I say stuff Megan Marco. I will talk about
Speaker 1: the decisions that she's made. The only thing I've ever
Speaker 1: really said it's a character assassination. Was one cast member
Speaker 1: that I won't say again on Housewives. But I'm not like,
Speaker 1: you're ugly, like this person looks like like I don't
Speaker 1: go for the juggular. I may say something that's snarky
Speaker 1: or me, but I don't. They went, that's going to
Speaker 1: the mattresses, that's going below the belt. You're right. And
Speaker 1: it's funny because I was watching This is Us with Broom.
Speaker 1: We haven't finished yet, and um, Justin Hartley's character said
Speaker 1: to the other actor he plays Randall said to him, No,
Speaker 1: that wasn't the worst day in my life when dad
Speaker 1: That the worst day when of my life was when
Speaker 1: they brought you home from the hospital. He was the
Speaker 1: kid dropped at the fire station and and they said
Speaker 1: that he brought you home from the hospital, which I
Speaker 1: thought to myself, you can't come. That's a that's a
Speaker 1: that's gonna right. You're right, she said to Kim. And
Speaker 1: it was. It wasn't a ten yet, it wasn't you're right.
Speaker 1: It didn't warrant that comment. Kim hadn't said anything to
Speaker 1: warrant Mom died worrying about you. That's a comment, right,
Speaker 1: you could have said, Mom used to worry about you.
Speaker 1: That was always like you could choose your words. Died
Speaker 1: worrying about you? It was, it was, And the award
Speaker 1: goes she respelling. She must have known that that would
Speaker 1: just send on a spiral. It would have sent anyone
Speaker 1: on a spiral. Wow, you're so okay. So and that's
Speaker 1: what happens in life. And I try to tell my
Speaker 1: daughter this where I say to her keep it at
Speaker 1: fifty five. You could be right and say something wrong
Speaker 1: and you become wrong. Yeah, and then that's all people
Speaker 1: focus on, is that one thing that you're like, why
Speaker 1: did I phrase it that way? Way? I could have
Speaker 1: said it different. I could have not said that one thing,
Speaker 1: because then it negates the whole thing when you say
Speaker 1: that one thing. But then what did Kim say, because
Speaker 1: then Kyle went back in about you're an alcoholic. What
Speaker 1: did Kim then say, I don't remember producers? What what
Speaker 1: was what made her crawl across the car? So Kyle saying,
Speaker 1: after everything that I've done for you, everything I've done
Speaker 1: for you, I'm always there for you. And then Kim
Speaker 1: goes everything you've done for me, and Kyle says, yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: everything I've done for you. And then she says, you
Speaker 1: stole my house exactly. I knew it, okay, and that
Speaker 1: was that Okay. Wait, Kim says, you sold much as
Speaker 1: I knew. Something happened that Kyle flew across the limo.
Speaker 1: So because it was a moment there was like the
Speaker 1: moment wasn't even mom died caring about you. It was
Speaker 1: like Kim was upset. But the moment that the thing popped,
Speaker 1: the champagne and the limo pop was Kim said, you
Speaker 1: stole my house, And you're right. There's something with a
Speaker 1: house in Palm Springs. There's something with the payment and
Speaker 1: the payment or the mom's house. There's a drama with
Speaker 1: the Kathy says. She said, and I remember this, they
Speaker 1: were paying for or bought a house. It was like
Speaker 1: almost two one million dollars or something because it was
Speaker 1: Maurice too, and he wasn't making it like he is
Speaker 1: now then and she went crazy being like we've been
Speaker 1: paying for you and like a second wife, and Maurice
Speaker 1: is taking care of you. And that's when the ship
Speaker 1: went sideways and Kyle crawled across the car. Again, you're
Speaker 1: on reality TV. You don't know what the audience is
Speaker 1: going to think of sister saying you stole my house,
Speaker 1: Like you don't know what you know? Forget the truth,
Speaker 1: even though the truth is that she probably she didn't
Speaker 1: steal her house, but whatever, you know, and that game
Speaker 1: is moving fast. If you ever get on the show's
Speaker 1: tory spelling, you need to know that the game has
Speaker 1: moved being fast and America has is thinking right now
Speaker 1: when it gets edited, you stole her house. So Kyle's like,
Speaker 1: you're an alcoholic and flies across the limo. Yeah, discrediting
Speaker 1: anything she said, But why didn't she want her to
Speaker 1: say that or she didn't care it was just wrong? Well,
Speaker 1: it's a pretty big accusation for someone to say you
Speaker 1: stole my house. I mean, I don't remember what was
Speaker 1: ever resolved, but there's a big ocean between you stole
Speaker 1: my house and Kyle is saying that Maurice has been
Speaker 1: paying for Kyle for Kim to live for years. So
Speaker 1: I don't know if that came as his second wife,
Speaker 1: right that sounds different than stealing. I believe because things
Speaker 1: happen with wills and family dynamsts, that Kim is Kim
Speaker 1: and doesn't have the same income and had a house
Speaker 1: probably that she probably stayed in or was kind of
Speaker 1: hers when her mother was alive, and her mother passed
Speaker 1: away an hour in a state, which my best friend
Speaker 1: is going through this right now, and I don't know
Speaker 1: this for I believe, being a businesswoman, that there was
Speaker 1: an estate and it's not a charity or a gift,
Speaker 1: or if that's been your house that you've stayed in,
Speaker 1: or maybe you were left part of it, but maybe
Speaker 1: you can't pay for your part. And I don't think
Speaker 1: none of this is something that I know for a fact.
Speaker 1: I'm just speculating. Heart. I feel like I've heard other
Speaker 1: combos and it's part Okay, so you all in part
Speaker 1: of a house has been left or you stayed there,
Speaker 1: but now you have multiple siblings that the house has
Speaker 1: maybe even left to or left to another sibling, and
Speaker 1: so now this is no longer your residence anymore because
Speaker 1: it's part of a a state. So maybe they chose
Speaker 1: to sell it. Maybe they're not. It's not a charity,
Speaker 1: that's what I think. But someone passes away, things change
Speaker 1: in family dynamics. That's what I'm gonna garner based on
Speaker 1: knowing what I saw and what I know on my own.
Speaker 1: What do you think? Probably right? I feel like there's
Speaker 1: something that house has been mentioned that wasn't the last
Speaker 1: time this house was mentioned. In modern day, it's still mentioned.
Speaker 1: It's come up, or maybe it's come up and press.
Speaker 1: I don't know. It could just be that interesting. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I would probably say that's a big line. You stole
Speaker 1: my house, and probably it was you can't steal. Guess
Speaker 1: what you can't steal someone's house? You can't. I can't.
Speaker 1: I'd like to go steal your the house, your throught
Speaker 1: you grew up in. Can I'm gonna listen to me too,
Speaker 1: because I have the gift room and I gave out
Speaker 1: three hundred gifts, but I would like whatever that gift
Speaker 1: room was, like, that's what I done. You and my
Speaker 1: mom should wrap gifts together. I have a gift room.
Speaker 1: I'm not I want to read a trapping, but you
Speaker 1: don't understand. I have three hundred gifts, I have cubbies,
Speaker 1: I have a wrapping station. I did not around with
Speaker 1: my gifts. So I am for I am a mini
Speaker 1: candy smelling like I definitely am. I have a I
Speaker 1: have I've been prepped since October we started the gifts.
Speaker 1: I don't play with the gifts. Okay, shouldn't steal that
Speaker 1: house though together. If they had stolen a house, they'd
Speaker 1: also have gone to jail taking turns because they didn't
Speaker 1: steal it. So what she means probably is that she
Speaker 1: financially could not do her part. They had to buy
Speaker 1: her out or whatever they did. But in her heart,
Speaker 1: she feels like that stealing because they should have just
Speaker 1: given it to her. She feels like back to her
Speaker 1: to to Kyle saying I've always taken care of you.
Speaker 1: Mauricio was taking care of you. So she feels on
Speaker 1: some level because she worked as a kid, which isn't
Speaker 1: Kyle's problem that they should just give her stuff maybe,
Speaker 1: and also if he's been generous with her, but that
Speaker 1: might be like helping her out a little. That's not
Speaker 1: buying her a house, and he's not. He's not supposed
Speaker 1: to buy her a house. She's living her own life.
Speaker 1: She paid, he paid her rent, he paid for everything
Speaker 1: for her, right. I don't know. I thought that's what
Speaker 1: Kyle was saying. Okay, so he'd no. I think that's
Speaker 1: what it was. But I also don't think that that
Speaker 1: equals buying some of the house, and nor should it.
Speaker 1: But I think that's what it's like. You made me
Speaker 1: move out of my house for all I've done for you,
Speaker 1: and we're sisters and whatever, and I'm sure, like anything,
Speaker 1: there are three sides to every store and you can
Speaker 1: split the difference. But you know, I've given you guys
Speaker 1: straight tea and I would and when I saw that
Speaker 1: we were this was the producer's idea to do this one,
Speaker 1: and I'm like, oh, ship, because I know Kyle for
Speaker 1: years and you know she's a sensible person, and that's
Speaker 1: what I honestly, that's what I think. We're very close
Speaker 1: to the truth on this today. I really did. Um,
Speaker 1: But I will say, Lisa, did you know the Bobby
Speaker 1: Fisher thing and being the person that sort of seemed
Speaker 1: like the matriarch of that show, the Carol Manze of
Speaker 1: that show. I did see with her. With Taylor, she
Speaker 1: had that vibe like that she's a senior partner, and
Speaker 1: it almost seemed like Taylor this was the first season,
Speaker 1: wasn't it? Taylor was an original house Okay? Because it
Speaker 1: felt it felt like Taylor was Sonya season two coming
Speaker 1: in and Lisa was telling her how it's gonna go.
Speaker 1: It felt a little like she and your partner, didn't
Speaker 1: She seem like, but do you know what I'm saying? Yeah,
Speaker 1: But she was coming in and she was like, here's
Speaker 1: how it works around here, and you're not gonna and
Speaker 1: Taylor was like okay. She said okay to her, she
Speaker 1: was like, yeah, you're getting a little scolded right now.
Speaker 1: I thought I thought that was that was one for
Speaker 1: the ages, And then, um, I actually care about this
Speaker 1: as a concept because I talked about it and watch
Speaker 1: it happens live that Camille didn't go to that big
Speaker 1: party and Modern Day Housewives they don't let you miss anything,
Speaker 1: And I think it's a mistake. I think they don't
Speaker 1: let you miss anything of less it's like COVID. I
Speaker 1: think missing things are good because it adds to the
Speaker 1: dynamic of what's going on in Scary Island. I didn't
Speaker 1: go to the Creepy Beach photo shoot, and I think
Speaker 1: that was good. At certain times, someone misses a reunion,
Speaker 1: Like I've seen that real life people miss things, and
Speaker 1: in reality TV it's become that they make you go
Speaker 1: to everything because they worry. And I think that back
Speaker 1: in that era of the Housewives, people would miss things
Speaker 1: because it was just real. I'm getting divorced, I'm missing
Speaker 1: this thing. But now that we've talked about the Camille
Speaker 1: back story a little bit and what we speculate could be, like,
Speaker 1: do you really think she would have missed it? Like
Speaker 1: was that real? Or was there no way to drive
Speaker 1: that narrative if they didn't have her alone because there
Speaker 1: were bigger things happening at a party. Right, you're saying,
Speaker 1: again a good one, Tory. You're saying, maybe something very
Speaker 1: serious what was going down for her to miss that party,
Speaker 1: or maybe it came out in the media that he
Speaker 1: had a girlfriend. I just have a hard time believing
Speaker 1: that she didn't know he had any kind of girlfriend.
Speaker 1: But I don't know anything, and I don't know her,
Speaker 1: and God bless and praise be. But may maybe sometimes
Speaker 1: it's not. Maybe she thought it wasn't a good look
Speaker 1: to be at the party when she I don't know
Speaker 1: what had just dropped. I don't know. I can't. I
Speaker 1: can't speak on it that you know, you know how
Speaker 1: that is. Yeah, now you can't go out right now,
Speaker 1: you're the scored woman. You gotta stay home, Laylo. I'm
Speaker 1: gonna get a follow up. I'm gonna find out from
Speaker 1: the producers and see if any of what we're saying
Speaker 1: in the press. Yes, oh my god, that's amazing. Yeah,
Speaker 1: we're gonna go back and you don't have that opportunity.
Speaker 1: But now you can go back and be like, I'm
Speaker 1: gonna go back and do a do do a what
Speaker 1: what an autopsy? On episode? Okay, Nancy Drew, I believe
Speaker 1: in you. You're mate. I'm so I feel like we're
Speaker 1: gonna be friends now. Like I love you. I always
Speaker 1: thought i'd love you, and this solidifies that. I love you.
Speaker 1: Thank you, Tori Spelling, Thank you