Speaker 1: What I knew a twink to be growing up as
Speaker 1: a young gay person. Like that definition no longer stands now, Yeah, exactly,
Speaker 1: Like I just thought that a twink was like a
Speaker 1: super skinny, short faggot who wears like Andrew Kristian underwear.
Speaker 2: That's still true?
Speaker 3: Is that still true? And works at the mad counter?
Speaker 4: Yeah?
Speaker 3: Like to me, that's.
Speaker 2: She's sheen a me no may none yo, no no,
Speaker 2: what is your childhood?
Speaker 3: I am your life's going down before.
Speaker 2: Like round, Welcome to Like a Virgin, the show where
Speaker 2: we give yesterday's pop culture today's takes. I'm Rose, dam you.
Speaker 5: I'm fran Torodo.
Speaker 2: Before we get into today's episode, we wanted to let
Speaker 2: you know that we are doing a live show on
Speaker 2: June twenty sixth at the Bellhouse in Brooklyn.
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Speaker 2: are coming to you from different coasts. Different is out
Speaker 2: of town right now for a very special reason. You
Speaker 2: want to tell the girlies all about it.
Speaker 4: Yes, I left town specifically to escape New York's air
Speaker 4: quality the Pacific Northwest, where all of the air smells
Speaker 4: like juniper and fresh sea salt water.
Speaker 5: This is just you know, the place to be breathing air.
Speaker 5: Love it here.
Speaker 2: Okay, what's the real reason.
Speaker 4: The real reason is Justin bought me tickets to see
Speaker 4: Jonny Mitchell's first plan performance in twenty years. So me
Speaker 4: and my besties got into a little car and drove
Speaker 4: to this place called the Gorge Amphitheater.
Speaker 5: Have you ever heard of it?
Speaker 4: I had never heard of it before, so all three
Speaker 4: Lilith Fares stopped by the Gorge Amphitheater. It is an
Speaker 4: iconic venue. Yes, now you know the vibe. Iconic venue
Speaker 4: in a literal gorge that seats like twenty thousand people
Speaker 4: and you know the.
Speaker 2: Yeah, estrogens seeped into the ground. Yes, okay, in the trees.
Speaker 4: So here's a bunch of information that was like I
Speaker 4: didn't have going into this, and then when I got
Speaker 4: there found out very quickly, which is that this weekend
Speaker 4: was not just a Joni Mitchell performance. It was actually
Speaker 4: this festival that Brandy Carlisle puts on every year called
Speaker 4: Ladies of the Canyon or like Echoes of the Canyon
Speaker 4: or something like that.
Speaker 2: I've heard of it.
Speaker 5: Okay, I did not realize, but she so.
Speaker 4: Brandy Carlyle is obviously a legend, one of like the
Speaker 4: key kind of a musician's musician in my opinion, and
Speaker 4: has so many different connections and loves, love and relationships
Speaker 4: with you know, amazing you know, music artists across everywhere always,
Speaker 4: and so she brings in all of these musicians to
Speaker 4: do shows at the Gorge, which is a venue that
Speaker 4: she grew up going to seeing like Bowie and going
Speaker 4: to Lila Fair and all the different stuff. And so
Speaker 4: she decided to do this Joni Mitchell performance in large
Speaker 4: part because about five years ago Brandy started to become
Speaker 4: friends with Joni through her wife, and one time Joni
Speaker 4: was like.
Speaker 5: You know, I have a music room and it's pretty
Speaker 5: lonely in there, and I feel like maybe I could
Speaker 5: have some music music artist sober to maybe jam sometime.
Speaker 5: Which are you in?
Speaker 2: And Brandy Carlo, of course, was extremely offensive. Joni Mitchell, im.
Speaker 5: That's literally what she sounds like. Now She's like, hey,
Speaker 5: my name is Joni Mitchell. I don't think that's actually
Speaker 5: that bad, but I'll have to listen to it. Back
Speaker 5: to the side.
Speaker 4: So, anyways, Joni invites Brandy over for these Joni jams.
Speaker 4: This is part of this is an essential part of
Speaker 4: like the lore by the way to the concert. I
Speaker 4: think it really builds out the story in a way
Speaker 4: that helps you understand what exactly you saw if you ever.
Speaker 2: See any judge of that.
Speaker 4: So she so the very first Joni jam that Brandy
Speaker 4: ever went to over at Jonie's house in her music room.
Speaker 5: She brought Hosier and I think, like, I don't.
Speaker 2: Really know any of Hosier's music. I'm either not not
Speaker 2: on that wavelength the girl. You know, I don't like
Speaker 2: to listen to men sing yeah yeah, yeah me either.
Speaker 5: The girls love Hosier.
Speaker 4: I don't know anything about Hosier but anyway, she brought
Speaker 4: Hosier over anything one of the music artists trying to
Speaker 4: impress Joni. And I think they all felt like because
Speaker 4: Jonni was recovering from a stroke, a stroke that wherein
Speaker 4: she had to literally learn how to speak again. Like
Speaker 4: I didn't, I forgot this that like after her her
Speaker 4: brain aneurysm, Janie fully had to like relearn how to
Speaker 4: like walk and talk and all this different stuff. So
Speaker 4: I think Brandy and her friends assumed that they were
Speaker 4: going over to just perform for Joni because she couldn't
Speaker 4: perform anymore. And lo and behold that, you know, Brandy
Speaker 4: does a song for Joni, Hosier does a song for Joni,
Speaker 4: and then all of a sudden, Shaka Khan walks in
Speaker 4: because Jonie invited Shaka Khan to like the Joni jam
Speaker 4: or whatever, and so they start playing some music, and
Speaker 4: then Herbie Hancock walks in, legendary pianists, and he starts
Speaker 4: coming in and playing some songs, and then he starts
Speaker 4: playing you know, like a few keys or whatever.
Speaker 5: And Brandy Carlisle tells this story saying that like they
Speaker 5: were listening to Herbie play the piano, and then all
Speaker 5: of a sudden, Joni Mitchell goes, so mutime.
Speaker 4: Do do and starts singing like jazz, and so they
Speaker 4: all start jamming together. And then that became this kind
Speaker 4: of like monthly tradition of Joni jams where people like
Speaker 4: Elton John and like other folks would like come in,
Speaker 4: Sarah McLaughlin, Annie Lennox, all these people would come in
Speaker 4: and do these little jams with Joni. And I think
Speaker 4: the reason I'm prefacing all of this is because one,
Speaker 4: because it's Brandy Carlile's festival. It was literally, no exaggeration,
Speaker 4: twenty thousand lesbians on this campsite. Twenty thousand lesbians. Imagine
Speaker 4: that it's a lot of super rus. It's a lot
Speaker 4: of super reforesters. Highlight of the I mean, so we
Speaker 4: were like camping out in like, uh, there's like this
Speaker 4: campsite where in everyone has it's kind of like tailgate culture.
Speaker 5: Did you ever tailgate?
Speaker 4: Rouas you seem like you would be really into tail
Speaker 4: You seem like you, but you seem like someone who'd
Speaker 4: be really into like the ceremony of like posting up
Speaker 4: next to your car, like you know, drinking, you know,
Speaker 4: a having a sandwich or like no okay, no no, no, no,
Speaker 4: no okay. Anyways, it's like it's like tailgating, but you're
Speaker 4: camping next to your car in this like lawn filled
Speaker 4: with you know, probably a thousand something cars and people
Speaker 4: who are waiting to see Joony. One hundred percent of
Speaker 4: the people that I talked to were lesbians. There was
Speaker 4: actually a moment where our car battery died because I
Speaker 4: was playing music out of our cars.
Speaker 5: Our car battery died.
Speaker 4: And like we were freaking out for like approximately forty seconds,
Speaker 4: and then I go no, wait, wait, wait, like we're
Speaker 4: gonna be fine. We are in this lesbian we're surrounded
Speaker 4: by lesbian like we're gonna be fine. And literally, like
Speaker 4: I walked over to our neighbor and I was like,
Speaker 4: I was like, do you know anybody that has jumper cables?
Speaker 4: And then she goes, she turns out into the and
Speaker 4: imagine like they're like hundreds and hundreds in our surrounding
Speaker 4: area of like people at their different car campsites, and
Speaker 4: a girl just turn turns around, she goes and they
Speaker 4: want to have jumper cables, and like nine different lesbians
Speaker 4: like pop out the holes hold it.
Speaker 2: I'd be like, like what kind what pride you need?
Speaker 2: She like, it's like it's like that scene of a
Speaker 2: Little Mermaid where Ariel blows the cottage who it was giving.
Speaker 5: It was so funny, it was so cinematic.
Speaker 4: So I'm just trying to set the scene for you
Speaker 4: in that By the time I've gotten to Joni, I'm
Speaker 4: already fully immersed and inducted into this lesbian commune. Like
Speaker 4: we're sharing clothes, we're making each other meals, We're like
Speaker 4: going to concert together with like literal strangers that I've
Speaker 4: just met at you know, Brandy's Ladies of the Canyon.
Speaker 5: Festival or whatever. I am now a Lady of the Canyon.
Speaker 4: And I guess on stage they were trying to replicate
Speaker 4: this Jony Jam idea, which I thought was amazing. So
Speaker 4: there's like couches, lamps, a carpet on stage and like
Speaker 4: a lot of couches and seats, like a lot of
Speaker 4: room proceeding, which I was kind of like, what's going
Speaker 4: to happen? And Brandy opens for her, which is awesome,
Speaker 4: and then brings out Joni and they play this little
Speaker 4: like kind of jazz tribute and she just like walks
Speaker 4: very slowly on set with her cane and her assist
Speaker 4: and like and like the second she sat down rose
Speaker 4: and she just says.
Speaker 5: Something like thank you, it's so good to see you.
Speaker 4: And she does like her little laugh, and I immediately
Speaker 4: started crying because the sound of her laugh is so
Speaker 4: it had just literally really just.
Speaker 5: The sound of her laugh had such.
Speaker 4: A long history, like emotional place in my body that
Speaker 4: I just know I was literally in our theme Yes,
Speaker 4: it's literally in our theme music. I started getting emotional.
Speaker 4: And then they immediately launched into big yellow taxi and
Speaker 4: I just started ecstatically crying. And the woman next to me,
Speaker 4: who was probably in her seventies, who had seen Jenny
Speaker 4: Mitchell twice I think, had seen Johnny Mitchell twice before
Speaker 4: moved to the Pacific Northwest specifically because weed was legal there,
Speaker 4: and is in love with has been in love with
Speaker 4: Paul McCartney since she was twelve years old.
Speaker 5: She told me, like walks over, she.
Speaker 4: Goes, hey, it's okay, dude, Like it's she's like trying
Speaker 4: to confess.
Speaker 2: She's like trying to like comfort me because I'm crying
Speaker 2: so so hysterically.
Speaker 4: And the thing about Jonie and this whole performance is
Speaker 4: that Jonie can't really she doesn't have you know, the
Speaker 4: Canaries voice anymore. She can't really hit the notes. She
Speaker 4: has you know gone, she's had a stroke. She learned
Speaker 4: how to talk again, learned how to sing again. And
Speaker 4: on top of that, she is an eighty year old
Speaker 4: woman who has smoked a lifetime of cigarettes and a
Speaker 4: lifetime of marijuana, and so there the kind of coherency
Speaker 4: and ability to actually like perform, it's all there. She
Speaker 4: knows what she's doing, and she was definitely in command
Speaker 4: of the performance. She was the hero, the center. She
Speaker 4: was on a throne, and surrounding her was her backup
Speaker 4: vocals and players, which included Sarah McLaughlin, Annie Lennox, Brandy Carlisle,
Speaker 4: Marcus Mumford on guitar. Like all these people that had
Speaker 4: like shown up for her because they love her and
Speaker 4: you know, had been doing Joni Jamson wanted to support her.
Speaker 4: And something that I realized very quickly is that Jonie's
Speaker 4: voice could not, like because of the quality and what
Speaker 4: she's able to do, her own voice and performing quality
Speaker 4: would not have made a concert like There's no way
Speaker 4: she could just got to get up there with a
Speaker 4: band because of the stage she's in her career, but
Speaker 4: the for her to bring on this ensemble and for
Speaker 4: them to sing and play back of her in a
Speaker 4: way that's kind of truly jammy.
Speaker 2: Like.
Speaker 4: Things were off tempo, a little off key sometimes. There
Speaker 4: was this cacophony of background sounds and instruments that built
Speaker 4: that were that was built around Joni's voice to supplement it,
Speaker 4: and that was something that made it so much more beautiful.
Speaker 4: And I ah, it was just like you came to
Speaker 4: watch that, you know, does that make sense?
Speaker 5: Can you even?
Speaker 2: Like?
Speaker 5: It's like so it was so it was such.
Speaker 4: A wild, wild experience and they all took turns like
Speaker 4: doing tributes to like Sarah McLaughlin did Blue and Anny
Speaker 4: Linix did Lady of Ladies of the Canyon. Oh my god,
Speaker 4: it was so incredible.
Speaker 2: It sounds like a very once in a lifetime kind
Speaker 2: of experience.
Speaker 4: Yeah, it really really felt like that, like it it
Speaker 4: felt it felt like a pilgrimage, like it felt like
Speaker 4: a mecca and so many for lesbians. Yes, and it was,
Speaker 4: and it was such a adjacent and it was such
Speaker 4: a vast range of people, like we were definitely the
Speaker 4: youngest people there, but it was a huge range of
Speaker 4: people and yet of course like pretty much the exact
Speaker 4: same person.
Speaker 5: You know, like it was a lot of camping, white
Speaker 5: lesbian types.
Speaker 2: Ari I really got emptied by those women on their
Speaker 2: way to the festival.
Speaker 4: Oh girl, the jumper cables are sold out at ari
Speaker 4: I for sure.
Speaker 2: Well that's so amazing. I'm so happy that you got
Speaker 2: to experience that.
Speaker 5: Do you have a favorite Jony song?
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's a Case of You. I have always said
Speaker 2: that if I ever were to get married, which I'm
Speaker 2: not going to, that is the song that I would
Speaker 2: have my first dance to. I think it's the romance.
Speaker 2: I think it's the most romantic song ever written.
Speaker 5: That's what.
Speaker 4: Yeah, I think it's the greatest love song ever written.
Speaker 4: But I also really like all I want.
Speaker 5: I want to talk to you? What a shampoo you?
Speaker 5: I want to shampoo you. Would you let me shampoo
Speaker 5: you if it was wash day?
Speaker 2: Ummm no, I'm very specific about my hair.
Speaker 4: Okay, So your favorite Jenni Mitchell song is Case of You.
Speaker 4: Have you ever cried listening to that song?
Speaker 2: Many? Many times?
Speaker 5: Oh?
Speaker 2: Oh really? What about? So?
Speaker 4: Basically you are Emma Thompson in Not the Holiday? What's
Speaker 4: the holiday, but for heterosexual and love and love actually
Speaker 4: love actually.
Speaker 2: That is actually a good way of putting out the
Speaker 2: holiday for heterosexuals, that is it? Yeah, you were Emma Thompson.
Speaker 2: Does that make me Alan Rickman? I don't think no,
Speaker 2: I think you're Mitchell Laura. You're Laura Lenny.
Speaker 4: Oh, because I will cock block myself so that I
Speaker 4: can take care of the people that I love.
Speaker 2: Yes, Rose, what did you do this weekend? I saw
Speaker 2: The boogey Man on Friday night, which was it's a
Speaker 2: new horror movie based on a Stephen King short story.
Speaker 2: It's one of the girls from Yellow Jackets is in it,
Speaker 2: which one which Jacket young Juliette lewis one with the
Speaker 2: blonde hair and the roots that have not grown out appropriately.
Speaker 2: She was good. She was good. And then yesterday I
Speaker 2: did something that I didn't think I was going to do,
Speaker 2: which was I watched the first two episodes of The Idol.
Speaker 4: Oh, I am watching that on my flight.
Speaker 5: What did you say? So?
Speaker 2: I mean, I'll be interested to hear your thoughts, but
Speaker 2: you know, I had kind of decided that I wasn't
Speaker 2: going to watch it. Yeah, everyone who listens to this
Speaker 2: podcast knows I'm not a Sam Levinson fan. I don't
Speaker 2: watch Euphoria, but you know, I was thinking about it
Speaker 2: yesterday and like, I just don't want to have opinions
Speaker 2: on things without actually being able to judge them for myself,
Speaker 2: you know. So I thought, if I was going to
Speaker 2: like take this stance that this show was bad, that
Speaker 2: I should actually watch it and see if it was.
Speaker 2: And surprisingly I liked it. You like the idol, Like, yeah,
Speaker 2: I mean, I don't think it's amazing. I think you
Speaker 2: know the first episode and you know, when you watch it,
Speaker 2: let me know what you think. But the first half
Speaker 2: of the first episode I really liked because it focuses
Speaker 2: on Lily Rose Depp's character Jocelyn, who's this pop star
Speaker 2: who's gone through a mental breakdown and is trying to
Speaker 2: like have her big comeback moment, and the first half
Speaker 2: of the episode is exploring that part of the story
Speaker 2: and her team, which is like all of these you know,
Speaker 2: managers and agents and creative directors and publicists who are
Speaker 2: all played by really funny people. And that part of
Speaker 2: the show I found really interesting. And then the weekend
Speaker 2: comes into it and it hees he's just a bad actor.
Speaker 2: The show is trying to then turn into this like
Speaker 2: erotic thriller. There's literally seen in the first episode where
Speaker 2: where Lily Rose Depp and Rachel Sennett, who plays her
Speaker 2: best friend slash assistant, are sitting and watching Basic Instinct,
Speaker 2: and it's like so on the nose. So yeah, I
Speaker 2: mean the first episode, I was, you know, intrigued more
Speaker 2: than I was annoyed. So I watched true to the
Speaker 2: second half.
Speaker 4: A rave review from rosem you I was intrigued more
Speaker 4: than I'm annoyed.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean again and in the again in the
Speaker 2: second episode, like the first half of it is about
Speaker 2: her doing this music video shoot that she really is
Speaker 2: like not prepared to do, and it's showing like how
Speaker 2: exploitative her whole team is and you know, how exploitive
Speaker 2: of the industry is. And then again in the second half,
Speaker 2: the Weekend comes in and it just becomes this very
Speaker 2: different show than I'm much less interested in, And I
Speaker 2: feel like as the season progresses, it's probably going to
Speaker 2: lean more into the stuff with the Weekend, and I
Speaker 2: will lose interest in it, but at least I'm like
Speaker 2: watching it and judging it for myself. And also her
Speaker 2: song that she's trying to put out is kind of
Speaker 2: a bop. It's not on the level of like a
Speaker 2: Miley song from Black Mirror.
Speaker 5: Yeah, that's what I was gonna ask.
Speaker 2: But it's fun. And you know, I need a like
Speaker 2: Sunday night TV show in my life with succession gone.
Speaker 2: So I'll watch this for as long as I'm interested
Speaker 2: in it, as soon as I'm not. As soon as
Speaker 2: I'm not, I will just stop your letterbox account. Lily
Speaker 2: Rose dep is no Ashley. Oh but let me tell you, well,
Speaker 2: you can't letterboxed TV shows. Oh. Really goes to show
Speaker 2: how much I know. I also watched, speaking of like
Speaker 2: erotic thrillers and like psychosexual violence, I watched The Doom Generation.
Speaker 4: I thought you were segueing us to the Ultimatum and
Speaker 4: it was gonna.
Speaker 2: Lie, Well, virgins we are. We did talk about the
Speaker 2: Ultimatum Queer Love Edition on our Patreon this week with
Speaker 2: producer Phoebe, So if you want to hear us get
Speaker 2: into that, you will have to go to patreon dot
Speaker 2: com slash like a Virgin. But no, I was saying that.
Speaker 2: On Saturday night, I watched The Doom Generation, which is
Speaker 2: a Greg Iraqi movie. It's like a sort of cult
Speaker 2: cinema starring Rose McGowan from the nineties, and I really
Speaker 2: liked it. It's very horny, very silly, very bloody and
Speaker 2: gross and violent and I had a good time watching
Speaker 2: it and want to watch more Greg Iraqi movies, especially
Speaker 2: the trilogy that that movie is a part of.
Speaker 4: I've never seen a single Greg Iraqi movie, can you believe?
Speaker 4: Not even Mysterious Skin, that's kind of his most I mean,
Speaker 4: maybe the one that has the most kind of like
Speaker 4: mainstream crossover, because that's Joseph Gordon Lovett m and Michelle Trachtenberg.
Speaker 4: Doesn't justin Gordon Lovick it, you know, hit a pp
Speaker 4: in the in the but hole he gets raped.
Speaker 2: Oh no, not not.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 2: The Mysterious Skin is about these two boys who are
Speaker 2: both molested, actually abused by their like little league coach
Speaker 2: when they were kids, and they both respond to it
Speaker 2: in very different ways as they grow up. Joseph Gordon
Speaker 2: Levitt plays a teenage gay hooker. No, it's yeah, it's
Speaker 2: it's a very good movie, but very dark dark, which
Speaker 2: you know, I love darkness. I'm I'm so upset because sude,
Speaker 2: did you hear about the Sex and the City Experience
Speaker 2: thing that was in New York. I don't know, but
Speaker 2: Ryan and I were planning on going, and yesterday I
Speaker 2: went to look up what the ticket situation was or whatever.
Speaker 2: It's already closed. It was only open for three days.
Speaker 2: I thought it would at least be opened through the
Speaker 2: premiere of and just like that, that's so stupid.
Speaker 5: I actually don't understand why we weren't invited to that party, Like.
Speaker 2: Well, HBO do better, But we should wrap this up
Speaker 2: and get onto our amazing, hilarious from what I can remember,
Speaker 2: conversation with Honey Pluton was back again to talk about
Speaker 2: the mall?
Speaker 5: Should we go to the mall? Right now?
Speaker 4: We had a very difficult time picking a topic with
Speaker 4: you today, which is a happy problem to happen. And
Speaker 4: one of the first things that we kind of nixed
Speaker 4: that I just want to get a little, get a little,
Speaker 4: a little moment and it was Kathy Baits, So I
Speaker 4: think it is kind of mommy.
Speaker 2: She's that's such a scary sentence.
Speaker 1: Mommy trade literally my like brain is pulling and coming
Speaker 1: out of my ears.
Speaker 2: Do you want to fuck her?
Speaker 3: Yes?
Speaker 4: Every I feel like that is like the sight of
Speaker 4: like queer coming of age.
Speaker 3: Because I think, okay, so let's I just had.
Speaker 2: To do you want to suck her currently or okay, both,
Speaker 2: but I want to fuck her at absolutely everything, everywhere.
Speaker 1: All every cay because I think that for a mommy
Speaker 1: to truly be mommy, and same for a daddy to
Speaker 1: truly be daddy, and maybe y'all will disagree, I think
Speaker 1: that they have to be fat. I just like really
Speaker 1: think that, Like Mommy is fat. It's like that's the
Speaker 1: archetype and that's why she's fucking sexy. Well the milkers,
Speaker 1: it's the milkers, and daddy is fat. The same thing
Speaker 1: where it's like every Pride, all these lesbians like post
Speaker 1: picture of daddy and it's like some fucking border colleague.
Speaker 1: He is not daddy. They they friend is not daddy.
Speaker 2: A guy that I was trying to hook up with
Speaker 2: recently called me mommy as we were like negotiating, and
Speaker 2: I was like, please don't ever do that.
Speaker 1: No, but you're not mommy, thank you, No, you're it's
Speaker 1: like you you don't give mommy because you don't take
Speaker 1: care of people.
Speaker 2: No I don't.
Speaker 3: You do not take care of people need taking, But you.
Speaker 1: Need to be taken care of, and that's you're a cancer.
Speaker 1: And so that's the dynamic.
Speaker 3: Where it's like Kathy is psycho.
Speaker 1: I don't think that she's trade because she's too mentally
Speaker 1: ill in that way, and she's a little bit too
Speaker 1: like freakish all over the place manic.
Speaker 3: She's too like psycho to really be traded.
Speaker 2: Has she ever been traded in any of her She
Speaker 2: needs more stability, I guess the unco brown exactly.
Speaker 1: I would say in Titanic she's probably the tradiest, but
Speaker 1: she's definitely like psycho Mommy mommy dearest, like very like
Speaker 1: of that where you're going to have sex with her
Speaker 1: and then she's like putting on like a mask that
Speaker 1: actually like scares you too much, and there's like a
Speaker 1: couple like Victorian dolls in the bag that you like
Speaker 1: don't really address.
Speaker 2: Was she your sexual awakening?
Speaker 3: Oh?
Speaker 1: I think that she's definitely one of them. Probably in Titanic,
Speaker 1: where everyone was like Kate Winslon, I was like Cathy
Speaker 1: Babes because I was like, what's going on under all
Speaker 1: that tool?
Speaker 3: She looks great?
Speaker 1: And honestly, it's like my sexual awakening was always the
Speaker 1: psychosexual horror movies because that's what I watched with my mom,
Speaker 1: because my mom is like super twisted. There's literally where
Speaker 1: I was watching Single White Female with.
Speaker 2: My mom, watching Mommy with mom.
Speaker 1: I was watching Mommy with mommy, and my mom's favorite
Speaker 1: movie is Misery. So we'd watched that like every year together.
Speaker 1: So and then because my mom is just like a
Speaker 1: woman who hated her husband, who was like watching all
Speaker 1: these movies about like women killing their husbands, right, And
Speaker 1: I was like, hmm, I wonder what this is all about.
Speaker 1: And we would watch Mommy Dearest and it was just
Speaker 1: like and we watched Rosemary's Baby.
Speaker 2: And Fatal Attraction and no exactly.
Speaker 1: Basic instinct like that's what we were watching together. It's
Speaker 1: just like watching like hot gay women seek revenge.
Speaker 2: So what you're saying is that grooming exists.
Speaker 3: Like that is part of the play.
Speaker 4: It should be acknowledged.
Speaker 3: It should be acknowledged.
Speaker 4: One of my favorite like kind of fem vengeance movies
Speaker 4: as an adolescent with Thelma and Louise, because they're literally
Speaker 4: like two like you know, dykes that like kill their
Speaker 4: rapists or whatever.
Speaker 2: I still only ever watched half of it.
Speaker 4: I mean, honestly, you only really need to see half
Speaker 4: and then because you already know the ending frame of
Speaker 4: the movie in.
Speaker 2: It also is it's a lot of rape. I think
Speaker 2: the ad is not a twink in that movie. No,
Speaker 2: he's not a muscular you're The problem is too wide.
Speaker 3: It's way too.
Speaker 1: Wide, said as a four, and I'll say it again.
Speaker 1: A twink is working at the matt counter. A twink
Speaker 1: is wearing a tank top that probably has wearing like
Speaker 1: a target tank top that's like blue and gray with
Speaker 1: glitter on it. It's wearing those like khaki or jean
Speaker 1: shorts that go like right above the knee and Espa
Speaker 1: drills like that is a twink. A twink is suburban.
Speaker 1: But then there's city twink, which is like a little
Speaker 1: better dressed and is maybe still wearing what are those
Speaker 1: boots everyone wore when like we were in our earlier twenties,
Speaker 1: Jeffrey Campbell.
Speaker 4: Boots, Jeffrey Campbell.
Speaker 1: Yeah, like maybe the city twink might have some Jeffrey
Speaker 1: Campbell boots and is wearing like leather leggings and a
Speaker 1: north face and a fucking north face that is actually
Speaker 1: a twin.
Speaker 2: Yeah, and I don't think a twin can be above
Speaker 2: five to nine.
Speaker 3: I agree.
Speaker 4: Okay, so we've laid it down. Peace can't be above
Speaker 4: five to nine.
Speaker 1: And then if you're not that, then you're just a faggot,
Speaker 1: and that is really beautiful.
Speaker 2: I do think that sometimes you're seeing twinks where there
Speaker 2: are only fagots. Yeah.
Speaker 4: Yeah, But I also I tend to like my kind
Speaker 4: of orientation around faggot is usually not like gay men.
Speaker 4: It's not always like gay man.
Speaker 3: Faggot is a gender, Yeah, it is, it is.
Speaker 4: I mean, obviously they are like cultural, different cultural meanings
Speaker 4: for like faggot, and a lot of people will see
Speaker 4: it be like faggots and it's like all these guys
Speaker 4: on like the Tai Tee boat or whatever. I'm just like, no,
Speaker 4: a lot of those people like aren't faggots, you know,
Speaker 4: because and like Larry Mitchell's faggot, like you know what
Speaker 4: I mean, like in opposition like counter cultural, which obviously
Speaker 4: isn't true to everybody that identifies sometimes, but that's how
Speaker 4: I'm thinking about it.
Speaker 2: And also, faggot is not necessarily just a way to
Speaker 2: self identify. Faggot is something that you get.
Speaker 4: Called at the streets, Yeah, exactly. Yeah, And fagots are
Speaker 4: not all you know, like cis men, you know what
Speaker 4: I mean.
Speaker 1: But sometimes faggots, Yes, like that's a baggot and you're
Speaker 1: like bumping into me because you don't know that I exist.
Speaker 2: Yah, And you know where you know where fagots congregate
Speaker 2: at the mall, at the mall, at the mall.
Speaker 3: It's all coming together.
Speaker 1: But I really think glad that we chose this topic
Speaker 1: because did we all grow up suburban?
Speaker 2: Yes?
Speaker 1: Yes, so I feel like right, No, I was born
Speaker 1: but I was born in Boca. You were, Yes, I
Speaker 1: was born in Boca, but I grew up in the
Speaker 1: suburbs of Chicago or.
Speaker 4: Jewish, I grew up in the I grew up in
Speaker 4: I grew up in the suburbs of Chicago. Like to
Speaker 4: suburban right south of oak Park, Lagrange, like southwest.
Speaker 3: Wait, I didn't know that. Did you go to the
Speaker 3: same mall?
Speaker 2: Probably?
Speaker 4: Did we have rival high schools or something?
Speaker 3: To Highland Park High Oh?
Speaker 4: I went to Lagrange Highlands.
Speaker 3: What was your mall called?
Speaker 4: It was called there was oak Park. It was the
Speaker 4: oak Park mall we had.
Speaker 3: We had Northbrooke Cross and then we went to Old Orchard.
Speaker 1: Which is now a Westfield. That was the outdoor mall.
Speaker 1: That was I kind of fancier. It was like the grove,
Speaker 1: like the grove grove, I know what the grove? Did
Speaker 1: you go when you were last in l A. No,
Speaker 1: but I've heard tales. I'm like familiar to make a
Speaker 1: pilgrimage at some point.
Speaker 3: It's the mecca.
Speaker 2: It is, although to me, the mecca will always be
Speaker 2: the mall that I grew up with, because I think
Speaker 2: that is universal experiences, like your mall is the mall,
Speaker 2: no matter what other malls you visit in your life,
Speaker 2: Like my mall will always be town Center and Tone.
Speaker 2: I could find my way around it with my eyes closed.
Speaker 3: You could like, what was that movie bird Box?
Speaker 2: Wasn't she.
Speaker 3: Cultural refence?
Speaker 2: What I like?
Speaker 1: It is a central Bullock. I am in love with
Speaker 1: her the first that was my true queer awakening and
Speaker 1: the first exactly we.
Speaker 2: Need to do aeniality episode, yes, because she was trans
Speaker 2: and it's I'm like, I just love the butchery, the
Speaker 2: true butchery.
Speaker 3: She's wearing that dress and she doesn't really know if
Speaker 3: she likes it.
Speaker 2: And like her. Benjamin Bratt as the love interest when
Speaker 2: you know she wants to fuck Sherry truly the first
Speaker 2: fifteen minutes of bird Box are explicitly like a lesbian drama,
Speaker 2: Like really, it's just a lesbian like truly. Wait, I
Speaker 2: also just found out last night that Pedro Pascal is best.
Speaker 2: He's with Sarah Paulson. You didn't know that I had.
Speaker 3: That's cute. He loves lesbian.
Speaker 4: I know that's such a giveaway, like he's he's just
Speaker 4: so gay. I'm so happy, No.
Speaker 3: He is.
Speaker 1: I don't think he's gay, Okay, I think that he Wait,
Speaker 1: because we're all forgetting about this, which is that he's
Speaker 1: an ally. He's like a true I think it's like
Speaker 1: actually an out his trans daughter, Yeah, exactly trans, just
Speaker 1: like yeah, Jimmie Lee Curtis.
Speaker 2: It's like these don't bring her up.
Speaker 3: Allies.
Speaker 1: It's like they're just like Gen X boomers where they
Speaker 1: like have just seen what's gone down and they're like,
Speaker 1: we like p Flag parents.
Speaker 4: It's only a matter of time before we see Petro
Speaker 4: Pascal in conversation with Locate at the ninety second street.
Speaker 2: Wise speaking into existence.
Speaker 1: That's so true where it's like he's going to be
Speaker 1: at like Radio City Music Hall with like Jonathan van
Speaker 1: net No, Yes, shot him to be gay.
Speaker 3: Because he's sexy. But I think it's just like hashtag
Speaker 3: ally No, I.
Speaker 2: Think it's like a well known like he's gay.
Speaker 1: It's like like Bradley Cooper, Like yeah, like Bradley Cooper
Speaker 1: is like scary closeted.
Speaker 3: It's like it's like, you know, he's.
Speaker 1: Bringing real, real twins back to the hotel and they're dying.
Speaker 2: It's like the girl with the dragon tattoos, where like
Speaker 2: he has the basement with like the cages and stuff.
Speaker 1: No, it's kind of like the seal vibes where you
Speaker 1: are like flaying these twings like on your ceiling.
Speaker 3: It's like, yeah, he is actually finding.
Speaker 2: The glass box and find more like finding his Tina
Speaker 2: bites because I'm sure he.
Speaker 6: Loves smoke and me with twins without a doubt he
Speaker 6: needs allegedly allegedly allegedly, Yeah, but I love them all.
Speaker 2: Good transition.
Speaker 3: That's what your ma was called.
Speaker 2: My town center mall and it is. It was my mother,
Speaker 2: it was my father. It was my first relationship.
Speaker 3: Were you going with a click or by yourself or.
Speaker 2: Both both, but mostly by myself? So before I that
Speaker 2: makes sense, before I could drive, I used to roller
Speaker 2: blade to them. Wait, I'm upset, or I would take
Speaker 2: a cab in.
Speaker 4: A cab to like fucking eloise at the plaza, Like
Speaker 4: I would.
Speaker 2: Have to open the phone book and y'all a taxi.
Speaker 3: You are such a city girl.
Speaker 2: From age, I would go to like build a Bear Abercrombie.
Speaker 2: There was one year. There was one year I think
Speaker 2: in high school where for Christmas I got all my
Speaker 2: close friends a build a bear that I dressed up
Speaker 2: to look like them, and I.
Speaker 3: Was like, are such a is so fucking cute?
Speaker 1: Extremely year, I'm sure that she was like, do you
Speaker 1: still have it still?
Speaker 2: Take a picture of it now, Take a picture of
Speaker 2: it right now and hold up in today's newspaper as well.
Speaker 3: I want to see the date.
Speaker 4: Okay, you're bringing up something that is like kind of
Speaker 4: triggering to me, which is like mall birthdays which were
Speaker 4: if we're going to bring class into this conversation, build
Speaker 4: a Bear was an expended birthday.
Speaker 2: Extremely expensive. It's all about add ons, which is so
Speaker 2: nice that you got flat rate for the bear, but
Speaker 2: then you have to dress it up. Oh in the
Speaker 2: part where they have you hold.
Speaker 4: The heart the little silk car I need is a
Speaker 4: cult they're getting they're getting back surgery literally, and.
Speaker 1: There's stuff in those little buzzies.
Speaker 4: Well that that is, I mean those memes of like
Speaker 4: the Bears going into the giant metal pole. What what
Speaker 4: else there was like Libby Lou, which was you know.
Speaker 3: I didn't have Liby.
Speaker 2: I don't know what that was.
Speaker 3: Libby Lou? Were you in make your own glitter makeup?
Speaker 4: Yest me? Limit Libby Lou and also limited To were
Speaker 4: a part of like the Hillary Duff industrial complex. Of
Speaker 4: their thoughts were in they would like indoctrinate like young
Speaker 4: girls to these birthday parties that probably cost like a
Speaker 4: a billion dollars per person, where in they would like
Speaker 4: put them in full drag beat down tapes like seven yeah,
Speaker 4: seven hundred pigtails, as was the fashion of the time.
Speaker 4: And like, I think my sister had a birthday there
Speaker 4: and resented it because she's like not a girly girl,
Speaker 4: but she was like just trying to do what all
Speaker 4: the other like rich girls were doing, you know.
Speaker 3: And were you a faggot child?
Speaker 4: I I mean yes, within reason.
Speaker 2: I was like you were a faggot child?
Speaker 1: Yes, yeah, I mean she was calling a yellow calf
Speaker 1: Virginia slam and My mom.
Speaker 2: Was like, get that dick out of your mouth and
Speaker 2: go to Heubrew School.
Speaker 3: Literally, you were either calling a calf or roller bad.
Speaker 2: Wait, you know where the trade shopped, and I'm talking
Speaker 2: about mom trade. It was either Anne Taylor Loft, White House,
Speaker 2: Black March, the store that old black clothes and white
Speaker 2: clothes I'm familiar, which is my MOA.
Speaker 3: Had a Betsy Johnson whoa.
Speaker 1: I remember walking and I was neither a faggot child
Speaker 1: nor a dyke child. I was very like pat. I
Speaker 1: was very like non binary, you know, wearing my like
Speaker 1: long sleeve shirts, but like walking by limited To and
Speaker 1: like wanting to go in to maybe get like some
Speaker 1: sweatpants that had like a cat wearing like a harness
Speaker 1: on it, like with like a parachute.
Speaker 3: That's what I feel like. All the limited To clothes
Speaker 3: were with I.
Speaker 2: Liked glitter animals. They shouldn't.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I'm this giraffe is like doing a cartwheel. I'm like, okay,
Speaker 1: I'm like not buying her. Children love animals like I
Speaker 1: had zoo books and I want all my clothes to
Speaker 1: have animals on it. Remember walking by Betsy Johnson and
Speaker 1: thinking that like that was the coolest, most glamorous thing
Speaker 1: in the entire world. And I didn't want to wear it,
Speaker 1: but I wanted to be around like girls that were
Speaker 1: wearing it. It was me and knowing that one day
Speaker 1: I would have like a squadron of dolls and we
Speaker 1: would all just like run around and go crazy together.
Speaker 3: Like I knew that was possible.
Speaker 2: That's what's the what's the transversion of a fag hag
Speaker 2: like a doll collector? Exactly?
Speaker 1: God, yes, without I mean, I whatever, I'm iconic film,
Speaker 1: Welcome to the Dollhouse, an iconic film. I was like,
Speaker 1: I knew that one day I would just be like
Speaker 1: surrounded by dolls. When I entered into a Betsy Johnson
Speaker 1: like just looking, I was like, that's what I.
Speaker 2: Knew, because you were looking for friends, you were looking
Speaker 2: for me wandering around the aisles and being like I'm
Speaker 2: just here browd.
Speaker 1: Absolutely okay. But I also feel like another point of
Speaker 1: the law for me was to shop that were you
Speaker 1: all were y'all stealing?
Speaker 4: I was at the time. Yeah, I had like kind
Speaker 4: of suppressed. I was still coming I was still learning
Speaker 4: how to not believe in God. Oh. At this time,
Speaker 4: I was Catholic. I was I was Catholic, then Christian,
Speaker 4: then Baptist.
Speaker 3: Oh my god, they did you do so much?
Speaker 4: I gave up God right around like sixteen. But it
Speaker 4: was like a shaky loss of my and so yeah,
Speaker 4: I was too. I didn't steal until college like an adult.
Speaker 3: But then you finally got I stole so much. Yeah,
Speaker 3: then you're.
Speaker 1: Walking out of the Whole Foods Hot Bar with like
Speaker 1: Somosa's mac and cheese.
Speaker 4: I'm curry, I'm I'm surprised that I never learned how
Speaker 4: to like properly shoplift because like I didn't have like
Speaker 4: a we we went to the mall like as a
Speaker 4: fam like or with my mom like as a treat
Speaker 4: kind of. So like I didn't have a ton of
Speaker 4: expendable income like American Eagle like was like off the table,
Speaker 4: like we can't do it whatever, Like if I'm gonna,
Speaker 4: you know, use my own like chore money or whatever,
Speaker 4: like it's what I can afford at the Urban Outfitters
Speaker 4: book table right like that.
Speaker 1: It really is like the mall is radicalizing in that
Speaker 1: way because it's like when I would go I grew
Speaker 1: up in this like super wealthy suburb and I was
Speaker 1: like a in a family that wasn't wealthy. So when
Speaker 1: I would like go to the mall with all of
Speaker 1: my like extended, like why do middle schoolers roam around
Speaker 1: and packs.
Speaker 2: Of fifteen like feral animals?
Speaker 1: No, Jenny, It's like why were we all stray cats
Speaker 1: like yipping and heating when I was like walking around
Speaker 1: with this like conglomerate of like fifteen other middle schoolers.
Speaker 1: And it's like Christine is able to go to Abercromie
Speaker 1: and Fitch and I can't because I one can't afford
Speaker 1: it too, can't fit into any of it.
Speaker 2: And also can't deal with the wave of fierce colone no.
Speaker 3: Chloroform.
Speaker 2: I'm fainting and the lights are so dark and the
Speaker 2: music is so loud.
Speaker 1: It's like, why am I an unter right? I'm literally eleven.
Speaker 1: I didn't consent to this, it's too much.
Speaker 2: No, I'm like, but you are on the list, I.
Speaker 3: Am, I'm always on the list. No, I'm walking in.
Speaker 1: Also, what's like Abercrommie and Fitch where there was like
Speaker 1: am I remembering correctly, like wood paneled shutter.
Speaker 2: Yeah that was Abercrommie and Hollister, Yes.
Speaker 1: Both of them, but me Fitch couldn't afford Hollister, So
Speaker 1: I'm just kind of like mosying around seal walking out
Speaker 1: with like a very thin gold scarf covered in sequence,
Speaker 1: and I'm like, I guess I'm the fagot from High
Speaker 1: School Musical. I guess that's my role in the rye Ryan.
Speaker 1: I guess that's what I'm doing. But then the thing
Speaker 1: with the mall is I would only go if I
Speaker 1: was anything as a teen is I was hungry.
Speaker 3: I was.
Speaker 2: It's like it's like I was like Beyonce and the
Speaker 2: Homecoming documentary, which goes and I'm hungry.
Speaker 3: And I was hungry.
Speaker 1: So everyone else is trying to like fit into their
Speaker 1: skinny jeans and I'm like.
Speaker 3: I'm trying to go to a Pandim Express.
Speaker 1: I'm trying to go to anti Ann's Orange Julius, let's go.
Speaker 2: I'm trying to go get a free sample outside the
Speaker 2: Chinese food.
Speaker 3: Oh my god. Sam.
Speaker 1: I was walking by and they were like holding out
Speaker 1: with the toothpicks, and I was like, one more one.
Speaker 2: You just keep walking by doing characters really French accents, mustache,
Speaker 2: I'm going to wet sea?
Speaker 3: Wait did?
Speaker 1: Were y'all wearing many tank tops as children.
Speaker 4: I was definitely. I definitely had was a pop collar kid.
Speaker 3: Holy that is so fucking cute.
Speaker 4: And it wasn't even like pure prep. I was just
Speaker 4: trying to be prep, but it was kind of like
Speaker 4: half prep, like this like Polo that I got for
Speaker 4: Christmas from like my own.
Speaker 1: No, I was literally like wearing a custom binder because
Speaker 1: had huge fucking boobs and wearing like fifteen tank tops
Speaker 1: on top of myself, like alright, rip to my boobs,
Speaker 1: like literally creating a binder out of nothing. I was like,
Speaker 1: that's just flatten this ship down. Did your moms have
Speaker 1: movie theaters?
Speaker 2: No?
Speaker 4: Not mine? Oh about are tragic?
Speaker 3: Yes? So it's like I was also sneaking into movies.
Speaker 4: Ooh, now, do you remember like a specific movie that
Speaker 4: you The.
Speaker 1: First movie I ever stuck into was Jim Carrey's horror
Speaker 1: flick thriller The Number twenty three.
Speaker 4: Oh, oh my god, deep Cut, Deep Cut, It's about numerology.
Speaker 1: And Chang two thousand and seven, I would say two
Speaker 1: thousand and seven. Yes, it was this numerology thriller where
Speaker 1: Jim Carrey was like, I'm not the funny guy anymore.
Speaker 3: I'm not a center.
Speaker 1: I'm a serious actor, and it's this movie where he
Speaker 1: is haunted by the numerology mysticism of the number twenty three,
Speaker 1: where he's finding it in all everywhere. He's finding it
Speaker 1: in nine to eleven, he's finding it in Babylon, he's
Speaker 1: finding it when Julius Caesar was assassinated.
Speaker 2: So there's a scene where he's like on googling, crunching
Speaker 2: the number. Yeah, is this calculator, I'll post Eternal Sunshine.
Speaker 3: I don't know. I want to say pre.
Speaker 2: Which I've never seen. There was. What I'm realizing now
Speaker 2: is there's a couple of years and I think it's
Speaker 2: when I was in college when I just wasn't really
Speaker 2: seeing movies. I wasn't seeing like the populist movies that
Speaker 2: were being released because I was here going to college
Speaker 2: and I was just like going to clubs everything.
Speaker 3: You're commuting, yeah, and doing drugs.
Speaker 4: When you said Jim Carrey's and then paused, I was
Speaker 4: just I was really nervous. I was like, what movie
Speaker 4: is it going to be? Because like Jim Carrey's like
Speaker 4: era of movies was like crazy, like from The Ace
Speaker 4: Venture to like his Sad Girl era to that was
Speaker 4: like eternal Sunshine. What was the other sad girl movie
Speaker 4: that he did around that time? I can't remember.
Speaker 2: That.
Speaker 1: I just really love him, and now he's just kind
Speaker 1: of like, I don't know, man, he's just some like
Speaker 1: Venice Beach burnout walking on.
Speaker 2: He's all Jim Carrey, I want to suck.
Speaker 3: And I think.
Speaker 2: That there's a movie that he's in where he Oh.
Speaker 2: I think it's maybe First Bite where this I don't
Speaker 2: know this vampire falls in love with him and he's
Speaker 2: very twinky.
Speaker 3: Me myself and I reen oh.
Speaker 1: And I just feel like, I don't know if he's
Speaker 1: come out about it publicly, but I just feel like
Speaker 1: he would apologize for the ace Tura trans misogyny Dick reveal.
Speaker 2: He totally was also I love you Philip Morris. I
Speaker 2: love you Philip Morris so hot. Yeah, it's actually like
Speaker 2: a very sweet love style.
Speaker 3: Yes, and one of the strongest. You should have sex
Speaker 3: with him.
Speaker 2: I will, I will, Jim, if you're out there, Definitely,
Speaker 2: I consent.
Speaker 3: But I remember that movie.
Speaker 1: I I don't remember if it was no, No, it was
Speaker 1: definitely one of the Judd Apatow movies because I was
Speaker 1: speaking into all of those, because I was like these
Speaker 1: are so trans masculine in a way. I'm I can
Speaker 1: actually see it convinced that Jonah Hill has a vagina.
Speaker 1: Like I just like I really do think that he
Speaker 1: is a trans man who's just like super stout and
Speaker 1: will never find out. He just is like he's a
Speaker 1: late bloomer in that way where I watched the like therapy.
Speaker 4: Mode, I was gonna ask you about that.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I did watch it, and it's funny because I'm
Speaker 1: just like such a sagittarius where I was like, bitch,
Speaker 1: I've already been doing this, Like basically he's just like
Speaker 1: with his therapist writing sigils. I'm like, I have been
Speaker 1: doing this in my like pagan.
Speaker 3: Witch practice since I was seven years old, have you.
Speaker 4: It's like it's literally just like a it's it's Jonah
Speaker 4: Hill thinks his therapist is like a genius. Yes, like
Speaker 4: tapes his own.
Speaker 1: Therapy and it is really presh And I just like
Speaker 1: love people talking about therapy, even though I don't know
Speaker 1: like therapy can work for you or it can't, like
Speaker 1: it's up to you. But part of one of the
Speaker 1: practices that he does with his therapist is that you
Speaker 1: like create a drawing that's like a roun or a
Speaker 1: sigil that is a way to like explain a traumatic situation,
Speaker 1: and you like basically like concoct a spell to like
Speaker 1: give it this like mnemonic device.
Speaker 3: I know, Like it's really beautiful.
Speaker 1: Was I learned how to do that for my like
Speaker 1: witch mom Ilva. It's like it's it is like a
Speaker 1: pagan practice to do that. But I'm like, however, you
Speaker 1: can learn these tools and you're sharing with other people,
Speaker 1: like that's the meaning.
Speaker 2: It's just you got it for free and he's paying,
Speaker 2: you know, Like.
Speaker 1: But his like tattoos are really trans masculine, where it's
Speaker 1: super like you transitioned a little late in life and
Speaker 1: now you just like go to a tattoo shop that's
Speaker 1: called like anchor panther and you're getting like eagle, you know,
Speaker 1: egle mom tattoo, your birthdate exactly, panther, snake with the dagger,
Speaker 1: Like those are all of his tattoos right away, And
Speaker 1: I'm like, it's trans guy.
Speaker 2: Would you fuck j Hill?
Speaker 3: No? But not for any reason.
Speaker 1: I just think that like two goofy guys wouldn't necessarily
Speaker 1: have good sex.
Speaker 2: You're too goofy.
Speaker 3: We're just it's two goofy guys.
Speaker 4: Did you know that there's a goofy tribe on Grinder?
Speaker 3: Now? Wait, what does that mean? It's like.
Speaker 2: There's what does that mean?
Speaker 4: There are like multiple they're like a handful of tags,
Speaker 4: like one hundred or so tags that you can act
Speaker 4: to your profile, and one of them is goofy.
Speaker 3: What does that mean?
Speaker 4: I think it's just like, yeah, like you don't take
Speaker 4: it like it's I don't know, there isn't like a
Speaker 4: serious tag.
Speaker 2: You know. I wish there was this, man, I know
Speaker 2: you would love the serious rolling.
Speaker 4: I found it literally last night and I added it
Speaker 4: to my profile for like three minutes, and I was like, no,
Speaker 4: I can't do this.
Speaker 2: No. That is so because you know, sometimes when someone
Speaker 2: messages you on Grinder, it shows you what tag they
Speaker 2: found you via, yes, and so imagine imagine getting a
Speaker 2: message and it says found you via the goofy tag.
Speaker 2: That's that's only how I find guys on Grinder is
Speaker 2: the goofy tag?
Speaker 3: Yeah yeah, yeah, But I also.
Speaker 1: Think that's super bad as super trans because they were
Speaker 1: just like obsessed with drawing their own genitalia in a way.
Speaker 1: Then I just think it's kind of transgender. Okay, it's
Speaker 1: like it's like they just had like folders and folders
Speaker 1: like filled up with cock and I'm like same, I
Speaker 1: just think it's kind of trans. But I remember I
Speaker 1: think it was super Bad that I stuck into because
Speaker 1: I wasn't seventeen yet or maybe knocked up.
Speaker 4: Or was like super rated R movie. I remember like
Speaker 4: at the time, like you know, my.
Speaker 3: It was so.
Speaker 1: It was so foul and my parents were like, you're
Speaker 1: not allowed to see that. My parents were super strict,
Speaker 1: but I snuck in with my friends. And then one
Speaker 1: of the attendantcy AMC attendants was like checking tickets because
Speaker 1: we would buy a ticket to another movie and then
Speaker 1: go to Super Bad. So I could see the attendant
Speaker 1: coming up. So I turned to this like dad next week,
Speaker 1: and I was like, can you pretend to be my dad?
Speaker 3: And he was like yeah, absolutely.
Speaker 1: So when the attendant came and was like, let me
Speaker 1: see your ticket, the dad was like, this is my child,
Speaker 1: and you won't leave them alone. We are trying to
Speaker 1: watch a movie right now, and I was like whoa.
Speaker 2: And then they tried to lure you back to your
Speaker 2: car and.
Speaker 3: Groomer, and I was like to catch a bread.
Speaker 2: No.
Speaker 3: I mean, I don't think I was not groomable. I
Speaker 3: was a weird looking kid. I was groomble. I was
Speaker 3: like six football and two hundred pounds.
Speaker 2: There's a lot of with a lot of different tables.
Speaker 2: He wanted to, Amen, Amen, there's someone out there who
Speaker 2: would have wanted to take you. I believe that. I
Speaker 2: believe that, I.
Speaker 3: Really, my inner child really needed to hear that.
Speaker 1: Without a doubt, that's what I was doing at them all,
Speaker 1: speaking into movies and going to the food court to
Speaker 1: get snacks.
Speaker 4: Did y'all have like a cinnabon sabarro combo? Yes, we
Speaker 4: had one of those.
Speaker 2: Yes, we did not have a ciborrow. I don't. I
Speaker 2: don't think we had a cinnabon either.
Speaker 1: We've also had all of the At the time, I
Speaker 1: thought that these were like the pinnacle of fine dining,
Speaker 1: which are like the fat the not fast casual, but
Speaker 1: like upscale casual chains like McCormick and.
Speaker 4: Schmicks, California Pizza Kitchen.
Speaker 3: California Mother Fucking Pizza Kitchen.
Speaker 1: Fran say that say that I was being my parents
Speaker 1: every day.
Speaker 3: Let us go to CPK, let us go to CPACH.
Speaker 2: I need that you see, my mall was a little
Speaker 2: too bougie because when when we moved to Florida and
Speaker 2: I used to live from Boston, I actually used to
Speaker 2: live across the street from the mall. That was like
Speaker 2: the first place we lived in Scia. And at that
Speaker 2: era of my life, there was a TGI Fridays there
Speaker 2: and I remember having a birthday party there once and
Speaker 2: singing along to Umbob. But then the mall got a
Speaker 2: little more chic, and so the only restaurants were a
Speaker 2: little more upscale. So we used to have this place
Speaker 2: called Stir Crazy, which was like I love Pan Asian,
Speaker 2: you know, Wonderland. That because Ariana Grande grew up in
Speaker 2: Boca as well. Well she's well she's from del Rey,
Speaker 2: and I think she said before in an interview that
Speaker 2: she loved Stir Crazy.
Speaker 3: Did you all have cheesecake factory?
Speaker 2: Yes, Roses Cheesecake. Actually it wasn't It wasn't attached to
Speaker 2: the mall, but it was nearby. It was my f
Speaker 2: was my shit that?
Speaker 3: Did you have magic Pan?
Speaker 2: No?
Speaker 3: That was like the crapy one.
Speaker 4: Yeah, I've heard of that. I never bet how I became.
Speaker 1: Actually recently I asked a friend if they were by
Speaker 1: and she was like, no, I'm pan. I was like,
Speaker 1: I love that throwback. That's so like Lilith Fair, like
Speaker 1: you with a tambourine. I was like, okay, Sarah McLaughlin.
Speaker 2: Yeah, so Bushwick twenty seventeen.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I was like, let's get pan.
Speaker 1: But I had Did you have almond moms like skinny parents?
Speaker 6: No?
Speaker 2: My mom was ok so passed down from my grandma.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 2: My mom was always on some kind of diet. Yeah,
Speaker 2: much like my grandma was when I was a kid.
Speaker 2: I remember there was one year where my grandma only
Speaker 2: eight frozen yogurt, like we would go, we would go.
Speaker 2: It was playing with toppings. It was. It was when
Speaker 2: my grandparents still lived in Long Island. They had a house.
Speaker 2: My grandparents were snowbirds, so they lived on Long Island,
Speaker 2: but they had a house in Boca where they would
Speaker 2: spend the winter. But we would go up and visit
Speaker 2: them on Long Island and they would take us to
Speaker 2: the diner and everyone order food and my grandma would
Speaker 2: just order frozen yoga. And she always had like bars
Speaker 2: in the house, like protein bars, and she has this
Speaker 2: reusable weight Watchers thermos that she's had like front for
Speaker 2: as long as I can remember. And the last time
Speaker 2: I was at their house, it was sitting on on
Speaker 2: the counter and I started crying.
Speaker 3: Why were you crying?
Speaker 2: Just because it like triggered this memory, Like that to
Speaker 2: me is so comforting, but it also like is a
Speaker 2: symbol of the my grandma's horrible.
Speaker 3: This entire time.
Speaker 2: It's so depressing, I know. And she's still like we
Speaker 2: we'll go out to dinner and she'll always ask for
Speaker 2: the salad with dressing on the side. Just get anything fattening,
Speaker 2: and it's like, babe, like you might not be here
Speaker 2: for that much longer, Like get them, get get toppings
Speaker 2: on the frozen yogurt, chicken.
Speaker 3: Put the mochi on your frozen yoga the little dice strawberries.
Speaker 4: Did you have an almond?
Speaker 2: Mommy?
Speaker 3: I had an almond.
Speaker 1: My mom is really like eating disorders, like really skinny,
Speaker 1: like doesn't salt her food.
Speaker 3: We didn't even have mashed potatoes.
Speaker 1: She would make mashomatoes with carrots, which is like actually
Speaker 1: so oppressive and like so dark. But then she also
Speaker 1: was like can I have a bite of that? Like
Speaker 1: so she'll just kind a bite of that. She's picking mom,
Speaker 1: But she is like, I don't add salt anything, it's
Speaker 1: bad for you. She also literally believes anything that Oprah
Speaker 1: Winfrey has ever said, and anything that like.
Speaker 3: MSN dot com says, you know.
Speaker 1: So she's like, I don't eat salmon anymore because there's
Speaker 1: mercury in it.
Speaker 2: But I know it's so hard to be a fat
Speaker 2: kid skitty with an almond.
Speaker 1: And then my dad, dad, who was always dining so
Speaker 1: like he and like now he's skinny, but in the
Speaker 1: scary way where he just looks like a fucking bowling pin.
Speaker 2: Where it's just like from being old. Yeah, because men
Speaker 2: get thin as they exactly.
Speaker 1: But he also it's like we don't really talk anymore.
Speaker 1: But when we were talking, I'd be like you okay,
Speaker 1: you sound weak and he was like.
Speaker 3: Well, it's my fasting day.
Speaker 1: I was like, a bitch, you're yelling at me because
Speaker 1: you're fucking hungry, like have like have a steak, have
Speaker 1: a snickers. Where he was always like putting me on
Speaker 1: juice cleanses and me on, like you'll play light.
Speaker 2: Oh, I have to go to weight Watchers.
Speaker 3: I was on weight.
Speaker 1: Watchers as a kid. I was on at Cans. I'm like,
Speaker 1: you were putting to.
Speaker 2: Go to the nutritionists.
Speaker 1: Yes, you're putting a twelve year old on Atkins where
Speaker 1: all they're having is like bacon and.
Speaker 3: Turkey sausage, like you hate me, you hate me.
Speaker 1: Hate me, where it's like I can't have bread, but
Speaker 1: I can have like I can have like.
Speaker 3: Steak twice a day.
Speaker 1: Like it's not making sense and like all the what
Speaker 1: not because I want.
Speaker 3: Like this is not a good vibe.
Speaker 1: So the mall to me was like I was able
Speaker 1: to like cheat and go to day. I would be
Speaker 1: able to go to cheat day and not tell them
Speaker 1: and they'd like, what did you eat? And I'd be like, salad,
Speaker 1: but really I was grass, going fucking ham or say
Speaker 1: I okay.
Speaker 2: I used to love something the Italian sandwich specifically, so
Speaker 2: when my mom was dating who eventually became my step dad,
Speaker 2: they would go on dates on Saturday nights and I
Speaker 2: would stay home alone and my brother would usually be
Speaker 2: at Are.
Speaker 3: You the oldest?
Speaker 2: I'm the oldest of my Yes, I'm the oldest. Technically
Speaker 2: my dad has a I have an older half brother
Speaker 2: from another marriage, but we didn't grow up together. So
Speaker 2: like of the kids that I grew up with, I
Speaker 2: was the oldest. So I got to like, I got
Speaker 2: to spend Saturday nights alone and would be like, okay,
Speaker 2: well we'll go rent you a video from Blockbustern and
Speaker 2: get you something to eat. And what I always wanted
Speaker 2: was to get subway from the gas station that had
Speaker 2: a subway attached to it. And I don't know, but
Speaker 2: I loved it. And then if it tastes like yoga,
Speaker 2: bat well, Now eventually I graduated to I would like
Speaker 2: watch My Sex and the City box SE's and order
Speaker 2: Chinese food. But you were gay, you are gay gay,
Speaker 2: but there.
Speaker 3: Is I don't think your parents could have done to
Speaker 3: stop this trade.
Speaker 4: And you know that the subway the subway bread, and
Speaker 4: like I think Ireland or the UK is legally cannot
Speaker 4: be constituted as bread.
Speaker 2: Because it's very porous. But when I was sugar, when
Speaker 2: I was in middle school, I would tear up a
Speaker 2: chicken karaokee.
Speaker 3: Si, how about pop Elly's, you'll have that at your.
Speaker 2: Love Polly john Sloop Jimmy John Tho. Yeah, Jimmy is
Speaker 2: good though, And there's one near where I live. I
Speaker 2: have gone there.
Speaker 1: No, but the Pheromona Jimmy John's is so stale.
Speaker 3: I'm like, it is not like the air it's like airplane.
Speaker 2: But I love that related for is good. It is good.
Speaker 1: It's like I feel like Jimmy John's is like the sexy.
Speaker 3: Tweakers work there, you know what I mean.
Speaker 2: Yes, the guys who like invite you over at four
Speaker 2: a m. And they can only fun if there's pouring on.
Speaker 1: Where it's they can't really keep it up on their
Speaker 1: androids when they're making their sandwich. They're watching them sung on.
Speaker 3: Their Samsung Galaxies.
Speaker 1: It's like they have poorn up and you taste it
Speaker 1: in the sandwich and it's kind of but Subway is
Speaker 1: kind of a little bit more like perk.
Speaker 3: It's a little bit more like you're barely away.
Speaker 2: It's a out barbituates yea boots.
Speaker 1: And your pot belly is that you have was there
Speaker 1: like aloft in the pot bellies people.
Speaker 2: What not that pot.
Speaker 3: Belly has had?
Speaker 1: Like he had literally an open mic where like people
Speaker 1: who were still in my hometown, like men who never left,
Speaker 1: would like climb up this ladder to the loft and
Speaker 1: play John Mayer. It's like I would be ordering my
Speaker 1: Italian sub hearing this guy named Tyler singing like waiting
Speaker 1: for the world to change, and I was like, I
Speaker 1: need to get the fuck out of Hollow Park before
Speaker 1: it swallows me.
Speaker 4: The Jason Ras covers in in my suburb were playing
Speaker 4: at the Borders bookstore cafe. Oh yeah, that was There
Speaker 4: was definitely an open mic scenario there where there was
Speaker 4: like also like slam poetry, probably.
Speaker 2: Talk about where I grew up. It is the Border's
Speaker 2: bookstore cafe. Also it's also where I got my bars at.
Speaker 3: The Borders were so good.
Speaker 2: Really was not much your boyfriend as a thirty year
Speaker 2: old man who who picked me up out outside of
Speaker 2: the New Age spirituality section where I was looking at
Speaker 2: books about WICCA and I was seventeen, So he was
Speaker 2: definitely a p out of.
Speaker 3: But he was your friend. Well, he was.
Speaker 2: My boyfriend in that I would tell my mom I
Speaker 2: was going to rehearsal and I would go over to
Speaker 2: a theater.
Speaker 4: Yep, and I lied about rehearsal.
Speaker 2: Yeah, And I would hook.
Speaker 4: Up to go hook up or to just to like
Speaker 4: go sit in the.
Speaker 3: Park and I'm so jealous. Y'all had sex in high school.
Speaker 2: No, rehearsal was such a good cover for going over
Speaker 2: to this thirty one year old guy's house and letting
Speaker 2: him come in my ass.
Speaker 3: Well, okay, so made you a better woman? I did.
Speaker 4: Literally my first boyfriend, I was still in the closet
Speaker 4: and my boyfriend was out to when did you come out?
Speaker 4: Uh seven, I want to say seventeen eighteen? Great, I think.
Speaker 4: And my boyfriend was out to his parents but like
Speaker 4: his parents were like just weird and bad, and so
Speaker 4: we were like, where do we hook up? My I
Speaker 4: had a key to my mom's office and I why, yes,
Speaker 4: she trusted you.
Speaker 2: I mean, I don't want to trust sucked in your mind.
Speaker 4: I don't know if I had it or if I
Speaker 4: would steal it because I knew my mom like working
Speaker 4: hours or whatever. But I would go to my mom's
Speaker 4: office in Hinsdale late at night.
Speaker 2: It's like the nice It's like the Boca of the Southwest, okay.
Speaker 4: And and I would pack no joke. I would pack
Speaker 4: like a mattress that like a kind of rolling mattress
Speaker 4: that I had. You're such a blankets and yes, and
Speaker 4: blankets not going to be uncomfortable, but not joke. And
Speaker 4: I would pack it in my mom's minivan and bring
Speaker 4: it to Candle. I did not bring a sen a kettle,
Speaker 4: but there was probably already one there because you brought.
Speaker 1: Like a glade plug it that you could just like
Speaker 1: pop into the outlets.
Speaker 2: It was incense for the sticks that you like turned
Speaker 2: over incense that I bought it Like whatever those are? Seriously,
Speaker 2: when did those like spring into existence?
Speaker 3: The sticks?
Speaker 2: Yeah?
Speaker 1: I feel like when Sharper image came to Oh I
Speaker 1: love same. I was there again, the back massage from
Speaker 1: a chair.
Speaker 2: I like sticking my hand into the thing with the needles.
Speaker 3: Loved doing that.
Speaker 2: Yes I do.
Speaker 1: I should do academy and as an adults, Oh my god,
Speaker 1: how did it feel?
Speaker 2: No? I said I would, Okay, you should. I should
Speaker 2: buy one on Amazon.
Speaker 3: You actually should. That would be a really pleasant.
Speaker 4: Brookstone was that place for us? The massage chairs?
Speaker 1: What about all the kiosks where it's like, why am
Speaker 1: I getting.
Speaker 3: My hair straight right now?
Speaker 1: Eastern European refugee that like the only job that she
Speaker 1: can get. I'm like, why is Olga straightening my hair
Speaker 1: right now? But I was like literally, but I was like,
Speaker 1: she's hot. I remember that the girls working at the
Speaker 1: kiosks were so sexy.
Speaker 2: That's crazy. But the mom and my sister's hair. That
Speaker 2: was so accurate. But they were also had been sex traffic.
Speaker 3: Why are they women straightening my hair? And do the
Speaker 3: Carroten treatment on me right now?
Speaker 2: The male order bride.
Speaker 3: Yes, I was like, I will save you in love
Speaker 3: with her.
Speaker 2: Speaking of hair treatments, I like exclusively got my hair
Speaker 2: done at the salon at the mall justwhere. When I
Speaker 2: was sixteen, I got my hair chemically straightened. No, no,
Speaker 2: you did not. It was like to my shoulders. You
Speaker 2: were so okay, give me once again.
Speaker 3: Okay. I was worried for you.
Speaker 2: Why did you make that alive?
Speaker 1: Because when a kid is that much of a faggot,
Speaker 1: they don't always make it.
Speaker 3: They were letting you out. My kid was that gay.
Speaker 3: I'm homeschooling now.
Speaker 2: I almost didn't make it, but I went to an
Speaker 2: art school. That's how I survived.
Speaker 3: You were famed.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I did not have public.
Speaker 3: No, because you should not be allowed to go to
Speaker 3: public in that gay No.
Speaker 2: No, no.
Speaker 1: If you're at like the Redkin lounge, your hairically straightened
Speaker 1: at the John Frieda.
Speaker 2: Ouse and I had a little flat irons. Yeah, po
Speaker 2: champoo conditioner combo.
Speaker 1: I was the red the red because yeah, you are
Speaker 1: notemically straightened and wearing like American eagle buttoned down.
Speaker 3: Sweetie, this world. You're too pure for this.
Speaker 2: Like I was an extra in the L word.
Speaker 3: You were giving dyke like it's giving dyke.
Speaker 2: No, I well I might, actually it must.
Speaker 4: What was were there? Was there like how many years
Speaker 4: were you a goth? Because goths are allowed?
Speaker 2: That was the middle. Okay, so this is the trajectory.
Speaker 2: Middle school was goth like mal goth topic, and then
Speaker 2: like yeah, and then like freshman year, freshman to sophomore
Speaker 2: year of high school. Then junior year was when I
Speaker 2: was like Abercrombie America Hollister, and then my last year
Speaker 2: of high school was like Indie like Converse r.
Speaker 3: Like Zoe era.
Speaker 4: Goths were definitely like you know, I was obsessed with them. Yes,
Speaker 4: they were like on the outskirts of society, but like
Speaker 4: you know, a mab goths were like allowed to be
Speaker 4: gay for something.
Speaker 3: Oh my god, they sucking and fucking. Yes.
Speaker 1: Yes, there was a click of guys in my high
Speaker 1: school that I was really obsessed with because they were
Speaker 1: all like rocker bisexuals and they all just like fucked
Speaker 1: each other. Then they had hot girlfriends. That's how do
Speaker 1: I tap in.
Speaker 3: I had to transition, That's what I knew.
Speaker 1: I was like, this world is not going to work
Speaker 1: out for me in this way because I have a
Speaker 1: little thing bubbling up in my mind called being transgender
Speaker 1: that I will not learn about until later.
Speaker 3: But I was so obsessed with them in high school.
Speaker 1: I was like giant tall tea covering up my whole
Speaker 1: body with like Bob Marley turning into a lion. That's
Speaker 1: what I would wear, and like jeans and chucks that
Speaker 1: was my.
Speaker 3: I was them.
Speaker 1: I was going to the store that was like the
Speaker 1: Native American store at the very suburban troupe, but I
Speaker 1: like was wearing the shirts that had like bowl on it.
Speaker 1: That's like Homeland Security, because.
Speaker 4: I was like the Mountain, Yeah, you were trying to
Speaker 4: you were pro indigenous.
Speaker 1: I was like, hello, I have a feeling I'm on
Speaker 1: stolen land right now. I'm gonna fucking do something about it, bitch.
Speaker 2: And what you were going to do?
Speaker 3: Sure? That was the original land acknowledgement. He wearing a
Speaker 3: shirt in high school was sitting bull on it. And
Speaker 3: I was still from urban outfitters.
Speaker 2: Obviously, Well that's you know powers to the people one.
Speaker 1: Hundred percent, and I would get caught and I would
Speaker 1: just run and catch the train.
Speaker 4: I've never I don't know if I did. I tell
Speaker 4: this in the pod last time. I got caught stealing
Speaker 4: from Urban Outfitters and I was like banned for like
Speaker 4: ten years.
Speaker 3: It's so traumagized. Did your parents find out?
Speaker 2: No?
Speaker 4: No, Because I was in college by that, no one
Speaker 4: would have to.
Speaker 3: I was stealing from a mayor pair in Urban Outfitters.
Speaker 2: I got caught stealing from Universal Studios and was banned
Speaker 2: for seven years. But then I transitioned. So what were
Speaker 2: they going to do?
Speaker 1: Yeah?
Speaker 2: Are they going to do? Good? Good luck?
Speaker 3: Feeling car Potter day, I knew I looked in your eyes.
Speaker 2: And she tried. I knew that J k Rawlling was
Speaker 2: a turf and before she came out and I was
Speaker 2: rec I was not going to give her my money.
Speaker 3: How did a wand? This feels like really easy to steal,
Speaker 3: no offense, it's.
Speaker 2: A big box. But it was a big box and
Speaker 2: I had to get the wand down and then I
Speaker 2: stuck it up the sleeve of my shirt. I actually, like,
Speaker 2: I think in a mall, I would have gotten away
Speaker 2: with it, but universal like they there shoppers.
Speaker 1: Yeah, were you Harry Potter? I was, yes, and you
Speaker 1: obviously I was waiting.
Speaker 2: At I have a deathly hallows tattoos down. I do
Speaker 2: not know. I did fill it in before she even
Speaker 2: came out as a turf, because I was like, something
Speaker 2: smells you.
Speaker 1: Your intuition was telling you something was going to go awry.
Speaker 2: I knew you, fucking I knew without I knew with
Speaker 2: my chemically straightened hair, you.
Speaker 1: Got a whiff of something. No, I wasn't Harry Potter.
Speaker 3: I don't know.
Speaker 5: I don't know.
Speaker 3: Oh.
Speaker 1: What I was reading in high school and middle school
Speaker 1: were those books called like crank Do you know what
Speaker 1: I'm talking about? Okay, where it's like these really big
Speaker 1: books and then the cover all about like a different drug,
Speaker 1: different vice ruining a woman's life.
Speaker 3: And I only I just read those.
Speaker 4: It was in the kind of go ask alice and
Speaker 4: cut genre.
Speaker 1: Precisely hair called my book would have been called like weed.
Speaker 1: My book would have been called like weed, and it
Speaker 1: would have been like a five hundred page book about
Speaker 1: me like really wanting to dread my hair, but knowing
Speaker 1: that I wasn't allowed to do that.
Speaker 3: And like surrendering to that truth and.
Speaker 1: Like smoking weed out of apples and trying to convince
Speaker 1: boys to kiss me.
Speaker 4: My book would have been called dog Ketamine from Mexico City. Yeah,
Speaker 4: what would your what would your book be called?
Speaker 2: Book? Would have my bo would be called like my
Speaker 2: mom's credit card.
Speaker 3: Would have been called.
Speaker 1: Chart charge charge debt, debt, absolutely debt.
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