WEBVTT - Mommy Trade (feat. Honey Pluton) 0:00:03.400 --> 0:00:05.600 What I knew a twink to be growing up as 0:00:05.600 --> 0:00:11.160 a young gay person. Like that definition no longer stands now, Yeah, exactly, 0:00:11.280 --> 0:00:13.160 Like I just thought that a twink was like a 0:00:13.240 --> 0:00:18.320 super skinny, short faggot who wears like Andrew Kristian underwear. 0:00:18.880 --> 0:00:19.760 That's still true? 0:00:19.880 --> 0:00:22.240 Is that still true? And works at the mad counter? 0:00:22.880 --> 0:00:23.079 Yeah? 0:00:23.400 --> 0:00:27.320 Like to me, that's. 0:00:26.160 --> 0:00:32.720 She's sheen a me no may none yo, no no, 0:00:34.400 --> 0:00:35.400 what is your childhood? 0:00:37.560 --> 0:00:43.320 I am your life's going down before. 0:00:43.159 --> 0:00:56.960 Like round, Welcome to Like a Virgin, the show where 0:00:56.960 --> 0:01:02.400 we give yesterday's pop culture today's takes. I'm Rose, dam you. 0:01:02.840 --> 0:01:03.959 I'm fran Torodo. 0:01:04.360 --> 0:01:08.520 Before we get into today's episode, we wanted to let 0:01:08.600 --> 0:01:11.160 you know that we are doing a live show on 0:01:11.240 --> 0:01:13.679 June twenty sixth at the Bellhouse in Brooklyn. 0:01:14.360 --> 0:01:17.400 Yes, New Yorkers, Virgins of New York, versions of the 0:01:17.440 --> 0:01:22.919 Tri State Area, versions of Jersey, versions of I don't Know, Philadelphia. 0:01:23.600 --> 0:01:26.400 We want all of you to come to our live 0:01:26.440 --> 0:01:31.720 show one night only, amazing surprise guests, goops, gags, stunts. 0:01:32.160 --> 0:01:34.920 Maybe we'll sell merch there. You'll party with us after. 0:01:35.440 --> 0:01:37.640 It's gonna be so so fun. Rose and I have 0:01:37.680 --> 0:01:40.679 been doing a little planning and you know, no spoilers, 0:01:40.800 --> 0:01:44.800 but I know that everyone coming will have an absolute blast, 0:01:45.240 --> 0:01:47.240 a night to remember, honestly. 0:01:47.600 --> 0:01:51.880 Yes, get your tickets now at the bellhousean why dot Com? 0:01:52.000 --> 0:01:56.120 That is the Bellhouse and why dot Com? And we 0:01:56.280 --> 0:02:00.960 are coming to you from different coasts. Different is out 0:02:01.000 --> 0:02:04.240 of town right now for a very special reason. You 0:02:04.240 --> 0:02:06.280 want to tell the girlies all about it. 0:02:06.400 --> 0:02:09.799 Yes, I left town specifically to escape New York's air 0:02:09.880 --> 0:02:14.560 quality the Pacific Northwest, where all of the air smells 0:02:14.600 --> 0:02:18.240 like juniper and fresh sea salt water. 0:02:19.400 --> 0:02:21.560 This is just you know, the place to be breathing air. 0:02:21.800 --> 0:02:22.360 Love it here. 0:02:22.880 --> 0:02:24.040 Okay, what's the real reason. 0:02:24.200 --> 0:02:27.760 The real reason is Justin bought me tickets to see 0:02:27.840 --> 0:02:31.520 Jonny Mitchell's first plan performance in twenty years. So me 0:02:31.560 --> 0:02:34.960 and my besties got into a little car and drove 0:02:35.040 --> 0:02:36.920 to this place called the Gorge Amphitheater. 0:02:37.040 --> 0:02:37.880 Have you ever heard of it? 0:02:38.320 --> 0:02:41.359 I had never heard of it before, so all three 0:02:41.400 --> 0:02:45.400 Lilith Fares stopped by the Gorge Amphitheater. It is an 0:02:45.639 --> 0:02:50.400 iconic venue. Yes, now you know the vibe. Iconic venue 0:02:50.400 --> 0:02:53.880 in a literal gorge that seats like twenty thousand people 0:02:54.080 --> 0:02:55.360 and you know the. 0:02:55.240 --> 0:02:59.720 Yeah, estrogens seeped into the ground. Yes, okay, in the trees. 0:03:00.120 --> 0:03:02.520 So here's a bunch of information that was like I 0:03:02.560 --> 0:03:05.000 didn't have going into this, and then when I got 0:03:05.000 --> 0:03:09.600 there found out very quickly, which is that this weekend 0:03:09.760 --> 0:03:13.520 was not just a Joni Mitchell performance. It was actually 0:03:14.080 --> 0:03:18.360 this festival that Brandy Carlisle puts on every year called 0:03:18.600 --> 0:03:21.320 Ladies of the Canyon or like Echoes of the Canyon 0:03:21.440 --> 0:03:22.120 or something like that. 0:03:22.120 --> 0:03:23.520 I've heard of it. 0:03:23.639 --> 0:03:26.760 Okay, I did not realize, but she so. 0:03:26.800 --> 0:03:30.760 Brandy Carlyle is obviously a legend, one of like the 0:03:30.880 --> 0:03:34.560 key kind of a musician's musician in my opinion, and 0:03:34.720 --> 0:03:38.320 has so many different connections and loves, love and relationships 0:03:38.320 --> 0:03:45.920 with you know, amazing you know, music artists across everywhere always, 0:03:46.200 --> 0:03:48.800 and so she brings in all of these musicians to 0:03:48.880 --> 0:03:52.040 do shows at the Gorge, which is a venue that 0:03:52.240 --> 0:03:55.800 she grew up going to seeing like Bowie and going 0:03:55.840 --> 0:04:00.040 to Lila Fair and all the different stuff. And so 0:03:59.880 --> 0:04:02.600 she decided to do this Joni Mitchell performance in large 0:04:02.600 --> 0:04:06.600 part because about five years ago Brandy started to become 0:04:06.640 --> 0:04:10.480 friends with Joni through her wife, and one time Joni 0:04:10.640 --> 0:04:11.040 was like. 0:04:11.640 --> 0:04:14.440 You know, I have a music room and it's pretty 0:04:14.480 --> 0:04:16.880 lonely in there, and I feel like maybe I could 0:04:16.880 --> 0:04:20.440 have some music music artist sober to maybe jam sometime. 0:04:21.160 --> 0:04:22.000 Which are you in? 0:04:22.400 --> 0:04:25.680 And Brandy Carlo, of course, was extremely offensive. Joni Mitchell, im. 0:04:26.160 --> 0:04:28.640 That's literally what she sounds like. Now She's like, hey, 0:04:28.680 --> 0:04:32.760 my name is Joni Mitchell. I don't think that's actually 0:04:32.839 --> 0:04:34.440 that bad, but I'll have to listen to it. Back 0:04:34.440 --> 0:04:35.159 to the side. 0:04:35.880 --> 0:04:38.720 So, anyways, Joni invites Brandy over for these Joni jams. 0:04:38.800 --> 0:04:40.560 This is part of this is an essential part of 0:04:40.640 --> 0:04:43.120 like the lore by the way to the concert. I 0:04:43.160 --> 0:04:45.440 think it really builds out the story in a way 0:04:45.480 --> 0:04:48.640 that helps you understand what exactly you saw if you ever. 0:04:48.520 --> 0:04:50.120 See any judge of that. 0:04:53.279 --> 0:04:56.680 So she so the very first Joni jam that Brandy 0:04:56.680 --> 0:04:59.400 ever went to over at Jonie's house in her music room. 0:04:59.760 --> 0:05:05.239 She brought Hosier and I think, like, I don't. 0:05:05.120 --> 0:05:08.800 Really know any of Hosier's music. I'm either not not 0:05:09.000 --> 0:05:12.320 on that wavelength the girl. You know, I don't like 0:05:12.360 --> 0:05:15.960 to listen to men sing yeah yeah, yeah me either. 0:05:16.279 --> 0:05:17.159 The girls love Hosier. 0:05:17.160 --> 0:05:18.960 I don't know anything about Hosier but anyway, she brought 0:05:19.000 --> 0:05:21.040 Hosier over anything one of the music artists trying to 0:05:21.040 --> 0:05:23.919 impress Joni. And I think they all felt like because 0:05:24.000 --> 0:05:27.279 Jonni was recovering from a stroke, a stroke that wherein 0:05:27.400 --> 0:05:30.240 she had to literally learn how to speak again. Like 0:05:30.360 --> 0:05:32.880 I didn't, I forgot this that like after her her 0:05:32.920 --> 0:05:36.400 brain aneurysm, Janie fully had to like relearn how to 0:05:36.480 --> 0:05:39.160 like walk and talk and all this different stuff. So 0:05:39.200 --> 0:05:42.240 I think Brandy and her friends assumed that they were 0:05:42.240 --> 0:05:45.960 going over to just perform for Joni because she couldn't 0:05:46.040 --> 0:05:49.839 perform anymore. And lo and behold that, you know, Brandy 0:05:49.880 --> 0:05:52.200 does a song for Joni, Hosier does a song for Joni, 0:05:52.480 --> 0:05:54.840 and then all of a sudden, Shaka Khan walks in 0:05:55.080 --> 0:05:58.560 because Jonie invited Shaka Khan to like the Joni jam 0:05:58.640 --> 0:06:01.400 or whatever, and so they start playing some music, and 0:06:01.400 --> 0:06:04.599 then Herbie Hancock walks in, legendary pianists, and he starts 0:06:04.600 --> 0:06:07.560 coming in and playing some songs, and then he starts 0:06:07.560 --> 0:06:09.799 playing you know, like a few keys or whatever. 0:06:10.200 --> 0:06:13.280 And Brandy Carlisle tells this story saying that like they 0:06:13.320 --> 0:06:15.760 were listening to Herbie play the piano, and then all 0:06:15.760 --> 0:06:19.360 of a sudden, Joni Mitchell goes, so mutime. 0:06:20.920 --> 0:06:25.920 Do do and starts singing like jazz, and so they 0:06:26.000 --> 0:06:29.720 all start jamming together. And then that became this kind 0:06:29.800 --> 0:06:34.080 of like monthly tradition of Joni jams where people like 0:06:34.240 --> 0:06:37.600 Elton John and like other folks would like come in, 0:06:38.200 --> 0:06:41.600 Sarah McLaughlin, Annie Lennox, all these people would come in 0:06:41.640 --> 0:06:44.680 and do these little jams with Joni. And I think 0:06:45.080 --> 0:06:49.800 the reason I'm prefacing all of this is because one, 0:06:50.200 --> 0:06:54.080 because it's Brandy Carlile's festival. It was literally, no exaggeration, 0:06:54.680 --> 0:07:00.479 twenty thousand lesbians on this campsite. Twenty thousand lesbians. Imagine 0:07:00.480 --> 0:07:02.760 that it's a lot of super rus. It's a lot 0:07:02.800 --> 0:07:06.559 of super reforesters. Highlight of the I mean, so we 0:07:06.560 --> 0:07:09.760 were like camping out in like, uh, there's like this 0:07:09.800 --> 0:07:13.160 campsite where in everyone has it's kind of like tailgate culture. 0:07:13.200 --> 0:07:13.960 Did you ever tailgate? 0:07:14.040 --> 0:07:17.280 Rouas you seem like you would be really into tail 0:07:18.280 --> 0:07:20.920 You seem like you, but you seem like someone who'd 0:07:20.960 --> 0:07:23.920 be really into like the ceremony of like posting up 0:07:23.920 --> 0:07:26.360 next to your car, like you know, drinking, you know, 0:07:26.840 --> 0:07:31.840 a having a sandwich or like no okay, no no, no, no, 0:07:31.840 --> 0:07:35.240 no okay. Anyways, it's like it's like tailgating, but you're 0:07:35.280 --> 0:07:38.440 camping next to your car in this like lawn filled 0:07:38.440 --> 0:07:41.840 with you know, probably a thousand something cars and people 0:07:41.880 --> 0:07:44.800 who are waiting to see Joony. One hundred percent of 0:07:44.840 --> 0:07:47.160 the people that I talked to were lesbians. There was 0:07:47.200 --> 0:07:49.360 actually a moment where our car battery died because I 0:07:49.480 --> 0:07:52.520 was playing music out of our cars. 0:07:53.120 --> 0:07:54.440 Our car battery died. 0:07:55.040 --> 0:08:00.520 And like we were freaking out for like approximately forty seconds, 0:08:00.720 --> 0:08:03.000 and then I go no, wait, wait, wait, like we're 0:08:03.040 --> 0:08:06.640 gonna be fine. We are in this lesbian we're surrounded 0:08:06.680 --> 0:08:09.640 by lesbian like we're gonna be fine. And literally, like 0:08:09.920 --> 0:08:12.440 I walked over to our neighbor and I was like, 0:08:12.560 --> 0:08:15.160 I was like, do you know anybody that has jumper cables? 0:08:15.600 --> 0:08:17.680 And then she goes, she turns out into the and 0:08:17.720 --> 0:08:20.280 imagine like they're like hundreds and hundreds in our surrounding 0:08:20.280 --> 0:08:22.720 area of like people at their different car campsites, and 0:08:22.760 --> 0:08:24.920 a girl just turn turns around, she goes and they 0:08:25.000 --> 0:08:27.960 want to have jumper cables, and like nine different lesbians 0:08:27.960 --> 0:08:29.440 like pop out the holes hold it. 0:08:29.560 --> 0:08:31.800 I'd be like, like what kind what pride you need? 0:08:32.080 --> 0:08:34.000 She like, it's like it's like that scene of a 0:08:34.000 --> 0:08:41.800 Little Mermaid where Ariel blows the cottage who it was giving. 0:08:42.040 --> 0:08:45.280 It was so funny, it was so cinematic. 0:08:45.840 --> 0:08:47.520 So I'm just trying to set the scene for you 0:08:47.600 --> 0:08:50.959 in that By the time I've gotten to Joni, I'm 0:08:51.000 --> 0:08:56.080 already fully immersed and inducted into this lesbian commune. Like 0:08:56.160 --> 0:08:59.560 we're sharing clothes, we're making each other meals, We're like 0:08:59.600 --> 0:09:01.959 going to concert together with like literal strangers that I've 0:09:02.040 --> 0:09:06.199 just met at you know, Brandy's Ladies of the Canyon. 0:09:05.920 --> 0:09:08.920 Festival or whatever. I am now a Lady of the Canyon. 0:09:09.720 --> 0:09:12.760 And I guess on stage they were trying to replicate 0:09:12.880 --> 0:09:15.560 this Jony Jam idea, which I thought was amazing. So 0:09:15.600 --> 0:09:20.000 there's like couches, lamps, a carpet on stage and like 0:09:20.120 --> 0:09:22.640 a lot of couches and seats, like a lot of 0:09:22.679 --> 0:09:24.560 room proceeding, which I was kind of like, what's going 0:09:24.640 --> 0:09:29.240 to happen? And Brandy opens for her, which is awesome, 0:09:29.720 --> 0:09:32.880 and then brings out Joni and they play this little 0:09:32.920 --> 0:09:35.960 like kind of jazz tribute and she just like walks 0:09:36.080 --> 0:09:39.840 very slowly on set with her cane and her assist 0:09:39.920 --> 0:09:43.000 and like and like the second she sat down rose 0:09:43.720 --> 0:09:44.720 and she just says. 0:09:44.520 --> 0:09:47.120 Something like thank you, it's so good to see you. 0:09:48.000 --> 0:09:51.920 And she does like her little laugh, and I immediately 0:09:52.080 --> 0:09:57.560 started crying because the sound of her laugh is so 0:09:58.960 --> 0:10:00.720 it had just literally really just. 0:10:00.640 --> 0:10:03.600 The sound of her laugh had such. 0:10:03.480 --> 0:10:11.240 A long history, like emotional place in my body that 0:10:11.280 --> 0:10:13.800 I just know I was literally in our theme Yes, 0:10:13.920 --> 0:10:16.880 it's literally in our theme music. I started getting emotional. 0:10:16.960 --> 0:10:21.200 And then they immediately launched into big yellow taxi and 0:10:21.520 --> 0:10:25.040 I just started ecstatically crying. And the woman next to me, 0:10:25.080 --> 0:10:30.640 who was probably in her seventies, who had seen Jenny 0:10:30.720 --> 0:10:33.880 Mitchell twice I think, had seen Johnny Mitchell twice before 0:10:34.320 --> 0:10:37.439 moved to the Pacific Northwest specifically because weed was legal there, 0:10:37.480 --> 0:10:39.040 and is in love with has been in love with 0:10:39.040 --> 0:10:40.679 Paul McCartney since she was twelve years old. 0:10:40.760 --> 0:10:44.120 She told me, like walks over, she. 0:10:44.160 --> 0:10:47.920 Goes, hey, it's okay, dude, Like it's she's like trying 0:10:47.920 --> 0:10:48.440 to confess. 0:10:48.760 --> 0:10:51.480 She's like trying to like comfort me because I'm crying 0:10:51.559 --> 0:10:53.280 so so hysterically. 0:10:54.640 --> 0:10:58.760 And the thing about Jonie and this whole performance is 0:10:58.760 --> 0:11:02.720 that Jonie can't really she doesn't have you know, the 0:11:02.800 --> 0:11:07.679 Canaries voice anymore. She can't really hit the notes. She 0:11:08.120 --> 0:11:11.199 has you know gone, she's had a stroke. She learned 0:11:11.200 --> 0:11:13.080 how to talk again, learned how to sing again. And 0:11:13.120 --> 0:11:15.079 on top of that, she is an eighty year old 0:11:15.080 --> 0:11:18.679 woman who has smoked a lifetime of cigarettes and a 0:11:18.720 --> 0:11:24.360 lifetime of marijuana, and so there the kind of coherency 0:11:24.400 --> 0:11:29.760 and ability to actually like perform, it's all there. She 0:11:29.960 --> 0:11:33.120 knows what she's doing, and she was definitely in command 0:11:33.520 --> 0:11:35.920 of the performance. She was the hero, the center. She 0:11:36.000 --> 0:11:40.640 was on a throne, and surrounding her was her backup 0:11:40.800 --> 0:11:48.119 vocals and players, which included Sarah McLaughlin, Annie Lennox, Brandy Carlisle, 0:11:48.800 --> 0:11:52.840 Marcus Mumford on guitar. Like all these people that had 0:11:52.880 --> 0:11:55.560 like shown up for her because they love her and 0:11:55.800 --> 0:11:58.440 you know, had been doing Joni Jamson wanted to support her. 0:11:58.760 --> 0:12:02.120 And something that I realized very quickly is that Jonie's 0:12:02.200 --> 0:12:06.360 voice could not, like because of the quality and what 0:12:06.400 --> 0:12:09.400 she's able to do, her own voice and performing quality 0:12:09.440 --> 0:12:12.920 would not have made a concert like There's no way 0:12:13.120 --> 0:12:15.040 she could just got to get up there with a 0:12:15.080 --> 0:12:19.960 band because of the stage she's in her career, but 0:12:21.440 --> 0:12:24.280 the for her to bring on this ensemble and for 0:12:24.480 --> 0:12:26.440 them to sing and play back of her in a 0:12:26.480 --> 0:12:28.800 way that's kind of truly jammy. 0:12:28.920 --> 0:12:29.040 Like. 0:12:29.360 --> 0:12:32.880 Things were off tempo, a little off key sometimes. There 0:12:32.960 --> 0:12:38.480 was this cacophony of background sounds and instruments that built 0:12:38.920 --> 0:12:42.480 that were that was built around Joni's voice to supplement it, 0:12:42.520 --> 0:12:45.760 and that was something that made it so much more beautiful. 0:12:46.160 --> 0:12:49.560 And I ah, it was just like you came to 0:12:49.640 --> 0:12:52.080 watch that, you know, does that make sense? 0:12:52.240 --> 0:12:52.880 Can you even? 0:12:53.000 --> 0:12:53.080 Like? 0:12:53.880 --> 0:12:56.160 It's like so it was so it was such. 0:12:56.000 --> 0:12:59.960 A wild, wild experience and they all took turns like 0:13:00.080 --> 0:13:03.600 doing tributes to like Sarah McLaughlin did Blue and Anny 0:13:03.679 --> 0:13:09.079 Linix did Lady of Ladies of the Canyon. Oh my god, 0:13:09.320 --> 0:13:10.840 it was so incredible. 0:13:11.040 --> 0:13:14.200 It sounds like a very once in a lifetime kind 0:13:14.200 --> 0:13:15.000 of experience. 0:13:15.760 --> 0:13:19.760 Yeah, it really really felt like that, like it it 0:13:19.800 --> 0:13:22.920 felt it felt like a pilgrimage, like it felt like 0:13:23.000 --> 0:13:28.040 a mecca and so many for lesbians. Yes, and it was, 0:13:28.120 --> 0:13:30.760 and it was such a adjacent and it was such 0:13:30.800 --> 0:13:33.280 a vast range of people, like we were definitely the 0:13:33.320 --> 0:13:35.640 youngest people there, but it was a huge range of 0:13:35.640 --> 0:13:38.120 people and yet of course like pretty much the exact 0:13:38.160 --> 0:13:39.080 same person. 0:13:39.200 --> 0:13:42.640 You know, like it was a lot of camping, white 0:13:42.720 --> 0:13:43.439 lesbian types. 0:13:43.600 --> 0:13:47.720 Ari I really got emptied by those women on their 0:13:47.760 --> 0:13:48.800 way to the festival. 0:13:48.920 --> 0:13:51.760 Oh girl, the jumper cables are sold out at ari 0:13:51.920 --> 0:13:52.720 I for sure. 0:13:54.280 --> 0:13:56.800 Well that's so amazing. I'm so happy that you got 0:13:56.800 --> 0:13:58.520 to experience that. 0:13:58.880 --> 0:14:00.360 Do you have a favorite Jony song? 0:14:00.480 --> 0:14:03.520 Yeah, it's a Case of You. I have always said 0:14:03.600 --> 0:14:06.480 that if I ever were to get married, which I'm 0:14:06.559 --> 0:14:09.280 not going to, that is the song that I would 0:14:09.280 --> 0:14:12.400 have my first dance to. I think it's the romance. 0:14:12.520 --> 0:14:15.240 I think it's the most romantic song ever written. 0:14:16.080 --> 0:14:16.360 That's what. 0:14:16.640 --> 0:14:19.680 Yeah, I think it's the greatest love song ever written. 0:14:19.880 --> 0:14:23.160 But I also really like all I want. 0:14:23.440 --> 0:14:26.160 I want to talk to you? What a shampoo you? 0:14:27.200 --> 0:14:30.080 I want to shampoo you. Would you let me shampoo 0:14:30.160 --> 0:14:31.680 you if it was wash day? 0:14:31.880 --> 0:14:34.960 Ummm no, I'm very specific about my hair. 0:14:35.080 --> 0:14:38.360 Okay, So your favorite Jenni Mitchell song is Case of You. 0:14:38.840 --> 0:14:40.400 Have you ever cried listening to that song? 0:14:40.480 --> 0:14:41.600 Many? Many times? 0:14:42.120 --> 0:14:43.320 Oh? 0:14:43.360 --> 0:14:46.360 Oh really? What about? So? 0:14:46.480 --> 0:14:51.640 Basically you are Emma Thompson in Not the Holiday? What's 0:14:51.680 --> 0:14:55.040 the holiday, but for heterosexual and love and love actually 0:14:55.120 --> 0:14:56.360 love actually. 0:14:57.760 --> 0:14:59.520 That is actually a good way of putting out the 0:14:59.520 --> 0:15:05.160 holiday for heterosexuals, that is it? Yeah, you were Emma Thompson. 0:15:05.480 --> 0:15:09.400 Does that make me Alan Rickman? I don't think no, 0:15:09.600 --> 0:15:13.360 I think you're Mitchell Laura. You're Laura Lenny. 0:15:13.640 --> 0:15:18.600 Oh, because I will cock block myself so that I 0:15:18.640 --> 0:15:20.000 can take care of the people that I love. 0:15:20.320 --> 0:15:26.400 Yes, Rose, what did you do this weekend? I saw 0:15:26.440 --> 0:15:31.600 The boogey Man on Friday night, which was it's a 0:15:31.640 --> 0:15:34.800 new horror movie based on a Stephen King short story. 0:15:34.960 --> 0:15:37.920 It's one of the girls from Yellow Jackets is in it, 0:15:39.040 --> 0:15:47.320 which one which Jacket young Juliette lewis one with the 0:15:47.360 --> 0:15:50.600 blonde hair and the roots that have not grown out appropriately. 0:15:51.640 --> 0:15:57.520 She was good. She was good. And then yesterday I 0:15:57.520 --> 0:15:59.360 did something that I didn't think I was going to do, 0:15:59.480 --> 0:16:02.280 which was I watched the first two episodes of The Idol. 0:16:03.040 --> 0:16:06.120 Oh, I am watching that on my flight. 0:16:07.600 --> 0:16:08.400 What did you say? So? 0:16:08.920 --> 0:16:10.880 I mean, I'll be interested to hear your thoughts, but 0:16:10.960 --> 0:16:13.080 you know, I had kind of decided that I wasn't 0:16:13.080 --> 0:16:15.600 going to watch it. Yeah, everyone who listens to this 0:16:15.640 --> 0:16:18.960 podcast knows I'm not a Sam Levinson fan. I don't 0:16:19.000 --> 0:16:22.320 watch Euphoria, but you know, I was thinking about it 0:16:22.400 --> 0:16:28.240 yesterday and like, I just don't want to have opinions 0:16:28.280 --> 0:16:34.080 on things without actually being able to judge them for myself, 0:16:34.320 --> 0:16:36.040 you know. So I thought, if I was going to 0:16:36.120 --> 0:16:39.680 like take this stance that this show was bad, that 0:16:39.760 --> 0:16:41.960 I should actually watch it and see if it was. 0:16:42.680 --> 0:16:49.320 And surprisingly I liked it. You like the idol, Like, yeah, 0:16:49.440 --> 0:16:53.120 I mean, I don't think it's amazing. I think you 0:16:53.160 --> 0:16:56.120 know the first episode and you know, when you watch it, 0:16:56.200 --> 0:16:58.720 let me know what you think. But the first half 0:16:58.760 --> 0:17:01.800 of the first episode I really liked because it focuses 0:17:01.880 --> 0:17:05.320 on Lily Rose Depp's character Jocelyn, who's this pop star 0:17:05.720 --> 0:17:08.080 who's gone through a mental breakdown and is trying to 0:17:08.400 --> 0:17:12.200 like have her big comeback moment, and the first half 0:17:12.200 --> 0:17:15.120 of the episode is exploring that part of the story 0:17:15.160 --> 0:17:18.879 and her team, which is like all of these you know, 0:17:19.080 --> 0:17:22.479 managers and agents and creative directors and publicists who are 0:17:22.480 --> 0:17:25.439 all played by really funny people. And that part of 0:17:25.480 --> 0:17:29.400 the show I found really interesting. And then the weekend 0:17:29.480 --> 0:17:35.920 comes into it and it hees he's just a bad actor. 0:17:36.960 --> 0:17:38.959 The show is trying to then turn into this like 0:17:39.040 --> 0:17:42.280 erotic thriller. There's literally seen in the first episode where 0:17:43.600 --> 0:17:47.360 where Lily Rose Depp and Rachel Sennett, who plays her 0:17:47.359 --> 0:17:52.640 best friend slash assistant, are sitting and watching Basic Instinct, 0:17:52.760 --> 0:17:58.280 and it's like so on the nose. So yeah, I 0:17:58.320 --> 0:18:02.520 mean the first episode, I was, you know, intrigued more 0:18:02.600 --> 0:18:07.240 than I was annoyed. So I watched true to the 0:18:07.240 --> 0:18:07.800 second half. 0:18:07.800 --> 0:18:11.879 A rave review from rosem you I was intrigued more 0:18:11.920 --> 0:18:12.760 than I'm annoyed. 0:18:14.160 --> 0:18:16.480 Yeah, I mean again and in the again in the 0:18:16.520 --> 0:18:19.040 second episode, like the first half of it is about 0:18:19.080 --> 0:18:23.159 her doing this music video shoot that she really is 0:18:23.200 --> 0:18:26.480 like not prepared to do, and it's showing like how 0:18:26.480 --> 0:18:30.240 exploitative her whole team is and you know, how exploitive 0:18:30.240 --> 0:18:32.920 of the industry is. And then again in the second half, 0:18:32.920 --> 0:18:35.320 the Weekend comes in and it just becomes this very 0:18:35.359 --> 0:18:38.760 different show than I'm much less interested in, And I 0:18:38.800 --> 0:18:43.199 feel like as the season progresses, it's probably going to 0:18:43.359 --> 0:18:45.879 lean more into the stuff with the Weekend, and I 0:18:45.960 --> 0:18:49.439 will lose interest in it, but at least I'm like 0:18:49.560 --> 0:18:53.720 watching it and judging it for myself. And also her 0:18:54.040 --> 0:18:57.080 song that she's trying to put out is kind of 0:18:57.119 --> 0:19:00.159 a bop. It's not on the level of like a 0:19:00.200 --> 0:19:01.840 Miley song from Black Mirror. 0:19:01.920 --> 0:19:03.080 Yeah, that's what I was gonna ask. 0:19:03.560 --> 0:19:07.359 But it's fun. And you know, I need a like 0:19:07.480 --> 0:19:10.639 Sunday night TV show in my life with succession gone. 0:19:10.800 --> 0:19:14.000 So I'll watch this for as long as I'm interested 0:19:14.040 --> 0:19:16.480 in it, as soon as I'm not. As soon as 0:19:16.520 --> 0:19:20.399 I'm not, I will just stop your letterbox account. Lily 0:19:20.480 --> 0:19:24.160 Rose dep is no Ashley. Oh but let me tell you, well, 0:19:24.200 --> 0:19:28.200 you can't letterboxed TV shows. Oh. Really goes to show 0:19:28.200 --> 0:19:32.199 how much I know. I also watched, speaking of like 0:19:33.119 --> 0:19:38.400 erotic thrillers and like psychosexual violence, I watched The Doom Generation. 0:19:39.480 --> 0:19:42.240 I thought you were segueing us to the Ultimatum and 0:19:42.400 --> 0:19:43.320 it was gonna. 0:19:43.080 --> 0:19:49.879 Lie, Well, virgins we are. We did talk about the 0:19:49.960 --> 0:19:52.800 Ultimatum Queer Love Edition on our Patreon this week with 0:19:52.880 --> 0:19:55.480 producer Phoebe, So if you want to hear us get 0:19:55.520 --> 0:19:57.600 into that, you will have to go to patreon dot 0:19:57.640 --> 0:20:00.960 com slash like a Virgin. But no, I was saying that. 0:20:01.080 --> 0:20:03.960 On Saturday night, I watched The Doom Generation, which is 0:20:04.160 --> 0:20:07.920 a Greg Iraqi movie. It's like a sort of cult 0:20:08.320 --> 0:20:17.119 cinema starring Rose McGowan from the nineties, and I really 0:20:17.160 --> 0:20:21.119 liked it. It's very horny, very silly, very bloody and 0:20:21.200 --> 0:20:27.560 gross and violent and I had a good time watching 0:20:27.600 --> 0:20:32.719 it and want to watch more Greg Iraqi movies, especially 0:20:33.000 --> 0:20:35.879 the trilogy that that movie is a part of. 0:20:37.359 --> 0:20:40.560 I've never seen a single Greg Iraqi movie, can you believe? 0:20:40.760 --> 0:20:44.240 Not even Mysterious Skin, that's kind of his most I mean, 0:20:44.480 --> 0:20:46.159 maybe the one that has the most kind of like 0:20:46.280 --> 0:20:51.679 mainstream crossover, because that's Joseph Gordon Lovett m and Michelle Trachtenberg. 0:20:51.880 --> 0:20:55.760 Doesn't justin Gordon Lovick it, you know, hit a pp 0:20:55.920 --> 0:20:58.720 in the in the but hole he gets raped. 0:20:59.040 --> 0:21:04.200 Oh no, not not. 0:21:05.760 --> 0:21:06.000 Yeah. 0:21:06.320 --> 0:21:08.840 The Mysterious Skin is about these two boys who are 0:21:08.840 --> 0:21:15.679 both molested, actually abused by their like little league coach 0:21:15.760 --> 0:21:17.840 when they were kids, and they both respond to it 0:21:17.880 --> 0:21:22.359 in very different ways as they grow up. Joseph Gordon 0:21:22.400 --> 0:21:28.320 Levitt plays a teenage gay hooker. No, it's yeah, it's 0:21:29.440 --> 0:21:35.240 it's a very good movie, but very dark dark, which 0:21:35.640 --> 0:21:40.200 you know, I love darkness. I'm I'm so upset because sude, 0:21:40.280 --> 0:21:43.280 did you hear about the Sex and the City Experience 0:21:43.400 --> 0:21:48.399 thing that was in New York. I don't know, but 0:21:48.720 --> 0:21:52.399 Ryan and I were planning on going, and yesterday I 0:21:52.400 --> 0:21:56.080 went to look up what the ticket situation was or whatever. 0:21:56.480 --> 0:21:59.359 It's already closed. It was only open for three days. 0:21:59.600 --> 0:22:02.760 I thought it would at least be opened through the 0:22:02.800 --> 0:22:05.720 premiere of and just like that, that's so stupid. 0:22:05.920 --> 0:22:09.960 I actually don't understand why we weren't invited to that party, Like. 0:22:09.960 --> 0:22:15.760 Well, HBO do better, But we should wrap this up 0:22:15.880 --> 0:22:21.679 and get onto our amazing, hilarious from what I can remember, 0:22:21.760 --> 0:22:25.600 conversation with Honey Pluton was back again to talk about 0:22:26.040 --> 0:22:26.400 the mall? 0:22:26.760 --> 0:22:28.120 Should we go to the mall? Right now? 0:22:49.800 --> 0:22:51.960 We had a very difficult time picking a topic with 0:22:52.000 --> 0:22:55.040 you today, which is a happy problem to happen. And 0:22:55.080 --> 0:22:56.800 one of the first things that we kind of nixed 0:22:56.800 --> 0:22:58.560 that I just want to get a little, get a little, 0:22:58.800 --> 0:23:01.040 a little moment and it was Kathy Baits, So I 0:23:01.080 --> 0:23:02.720 think it is kind of mommy. 0:23:02.440 --> 0:23:06.040 She's that's such a scary sentence. 0:23:07.520 --> 0:23:11.040 Mommy trade literally my like brain is pulling and coming 0:23:11.040 --> 0:23:11.680 out of my ears. 0:23:11.760 --> 0:23:12.760 Do you want to fuck her? 0:23:13.600 --> 0:23:13.840 Yes? 0:23:14.240 --> 0:23:16.399