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Speaker 1: What I knew a twink to be growing up as

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Speaker 1: Like I just thought that a twink was like a

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Speaker 2: That's still true?

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Speaker 3: Is that still true? And works at the mad counter?

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Speaker 4: Yeah?

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Speaker 3: Like to me, that's.

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Speaker 2: She's sheen a me no may none yo, no no,

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Speaker 2: what is your childhood?

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Speaker 3: I am your life's going down before.

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Speaker 2: Like round, Welcome to Like a Virgin, the show where

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Speaker 2: we give yesterday's pop culture today's takes. I'm Rose, dam you.

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Speaker 5: I'm fran Torodo.

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Speaker 2: Before we get into today's episode, we wanted to let

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Speaker 2: you know that we are doing a live show on

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Speaker 2: June twenty sixth at the Bellhouse in Brooklyn.

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Speaker 4: Yes, New Yorkers, Virgins of New York, versions of the

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Speaker 4: Tri State Area, versions of Jersey, versions of I don't Know, Philadelphia.

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Speaker 4: We want all of you to come to our live

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Speaker 4: show one night only, amazing surprise guests, goops, gags, stunts.

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Speaker 4: Maybe we'll sell merch there. You'll party with us after.

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Speaker 4: It's gonna be so so fun. Rose and I have

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Speaker 4: been doing a little planning and you know, no spoilers,

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Speaker 4: but I know that everyone coming will have an absolute blast,

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Speaker 4: a night to remember, honestly.

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Speaker 2: Yes, get your tickets now at the bellhousean why dot Com?

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Speaker 2: That is the Bellhouse and why dot Com? And we

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Speaker 2: are coming to you from different coasts. Different is out

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Speaker 2: of town right now for a very special reason. You

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Speaker 2: want to tell the girlies all about it.

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Speaker 4: Yes, I left town specifically to escape New York's air

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Speaker 4: like juniper and fresh sea salt water.

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Speaker 5: This is just you know, the place to be breathing air.

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Speaker 5: Love it here.

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Speaker 2: Okay, what's the real reason.

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Speaker 4: The real reason is Justin bought me tickets to see

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Speaker 4: Jonny Mitchell's first plan performance in twenty years. So me

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Speaker 4: to this place called the Gorge Amphitheater.

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Speaker 5: Have you ever heard of it?

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Speaker 4: I had never heard of it before, so all three

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Speaker 4: Lilith Fares stopped by the Gorge Amphitheater. It is an

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Speaker 4: iconic venue. Yes, now you know the vibe. Iconic venue

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Speaker 4: and you know the.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, estrogens seeped into the ground. Yes, okay, in the trees.

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Speaker 4: So here's a bunch of information that was like I

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Speaker 4: this festival that Brandy Carlisle puts on every year called

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Speaker 4: Ladies of the Canyon or like Echoes of the Canyon

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Speaker 2: I've heard of it.

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Speaker 2: And Brandy Carlo, of course, was extremely offensive. Joni Mitchell, im.

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Speaker 5: That's literally what she sounds like. Now She's like, hey,

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Speaker 4: So, anyways, Joni invites Brandy over for these Joni jams.

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Speaker 4: So she so the very first Joni jam that Brandy

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Speaker 4: I don't know anything about Hosier but anyway, she brought

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Speaker 4: So I'm just trying to set the scene for you

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Speaker 5: Yeah, that's what I was gonna ask.

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Speaker 2: But it's fun. And you know, I need a like

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Speaker 4: I've never seen a single Greg Iraqi movie, can you believe?

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Speaker 2: The Mysterious Skin is about these two boys who are

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Speaker 2: Do you want to fuck her?

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Speaker 3: Yes?

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Speaker 4: Every I feel like that is like the sight of

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Speaker 3: Because I think, okay, so let's I just had.

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Speaker 2: To do you want to suck her currently or okay, both,

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Speaker 1: All every cay because I think that for a mommy

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Speaker 1: No, but you're not mommy, thank you, No, you're it's

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Speaker 2: No I don't.

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Speaker 3: You do not take care of people need taking, But you.

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Speaker 1: actually like scares you too much, and there's like a

438
00:25:09,880 --> 00:25:12,639
Speaker 1: couple like Victorian dolls in the bag that you like

439
00:25:12,720 --> 00:25:13,680
Speaker 1: don't really address.

440
00:25:13,880 --> 00:25:15,359
Speaker 2: Was she your sexual awakening?

441
00:25:16,400 --> 00:25:18,280
Speaker 3: Oh?

442
00:25:18,359 --> 00:25:22,280
Speaker 1: I think that she's definitely one of them. Probably in Titanic,

443
00:25:22,280 --> 00:25:24,520
Speaker 1: where everyone was like Kate Winslon, I was like Cathy

444
00:25:24,600 --> 00:25:28,720
Speaker 1: Babes because I was like, what's going on under all

445
00:25:28,800 --> 00:25:29,399
Speaker 1: that tool?

446
00:25:31,680 --> 00:25:32,520
Speaker 3: She looks great?

447
00:25:32,560 --> 00:25:36,000
Speaker 1: And honestly, it's like my sexual awakening was always the

448
00:25:36,040 --> 00:25:39,359
Speaker 1: psychosexual horror movies because that's what I watched with my mom,

449
00:25:39,840 --> 00:25:44,760
Speaker 1: because my mom is like super twisted. There's literally where

450
00:25:44,760 --> 00:25:46,760
Speaker 1: I was watching Single White Female with.

451
00:25:46,640 --> 00:25:48,520
Speaker 2: My mom, watching Mommy with mom.

452
00:25:48,760 --> 00:25:51,560
Speaker 1: I was watching Mommy with mommy, and my mom's favorite

453
00:25:51,600 --> 00:25:54,800
Speaker 1: movie is Misery. So we'd watched that like every year together.

454
00:25:55,400 --> 00:25:57,320
Speaker 1: So and then because my mom is just like a

455
00:25:57,359 --> 00:26:00,199
Speaker 1: woman who hated her husband, who was like watching all

456
00:26:00,240 --> 00:26:03,119
Speaker 1: these movies about like women killing their husbands, right, And

457
00:26:03,160 --> 00:26:07,000
Speaker 1: I was like, hmm, I wonder what this is all about.

458
00:26:07,400 --> 00:26:09,760
Speaker 1: And we would watch Mommy Dearest and it was just

459
00:26:09,840 --> 00:26:12,240
Speaker 1: like and we watched Rosemary's Baby.

460
00:26:12,119 --> 00:26:15,920
Speaker 2: And Fatal Attraction and no exactly.

461
00:26:16,000 --> 00:26:19,400
Speaker 1: Basic instinct like that's what we were watching together. It's

462
00:26:19,480 --> 00:26:24,480
Speaker 1: just like watching like hot gay women seek revenge.

463
00:26:24,640 --> 00:26:28,880
Speaker 2: So what you're saying is that grooming exists.

464
00:26:29,960 --> 00:26:32,000
Speaker 3: Like that is part of the play.

465
00:26:32,119 --> 00:26:33,080
Speaker 4: It should be acknowledged.

466
00:26:33,119 --> 00:26:34,000
Speaker 3: It should be acknowledged.

467
00:26:34,040 --> 00:26:36,520
Speaker 4: One of my favorite like kind of fem vengeance movies

468
00:26:36,520 --> 00:26:39,080
Speaker 4: as an adolescent with Thelma and Louise, because they're literally

469
00:26:39,119 --> 00:26:41,240
Speaker 4: like two like you know, dykes that like kill their

470
00:26:41,359 --> 00:26:42,280
Speaker 4: rapists or whatever.

471
00:26:43,200 --> 00:26:45,040
Speaker 2: I still only ever watched half of it.

472
00:26:45,680 --> 00:26:48,600
Speaker 4: I mean, honestly, you only really need to see half

473
00:26:48,640 --> 00:26:50,600
Speaker 4: and then because you already know the ending frame of

474
00:26:50,640 --> 00:26:51,280
Speaker 4: the movie in.

475
00:26:53,240 --> 00:26:56,479
Speaker 2: It also is it's a lot of rape. I think

476
00:26:56,560 --> 00:26:59,359
Speaker 2: the ad is not a twink in that movie. No,

477
00:26:59,480 --> 00:27:05,520
Speaker 2: he's not a muscular you're The problem is too wide.

478
00:27:05,680 --> 00:27:06,480
Speaker 3: It's way too.

479
00:27:06,359 --> 00:27:08,520
Speaker 1: Wide, said as a four, and I'll say it again.

480
00:27:08,560 --> 00:27:11,160
Speaker 1: A twink is working at the matt counter. A twink

481
00:27:11,280 --> 00:27:14,159
Speaker 1: is wearing a tank top that probably has wearing like

482
00:27:14,200 --> 00:27:17,080
Speaker 1: a target tank top that's like blue and gray with

483
00:27:17,240 --> 00:27:20,760
Speaker 1: glitter on it. It's wearing those like khaki or jean

484
00:27:20,880 --> 00:27:23,520
Speaker 1: shorts that go like right above the knee and Espa

485
00:27:23,600 --> 00:27:27,120
Speaker 1: drills like that is a twink. A twink is suburban.

486
00:27:27,440 --> 00:27:30,000
Speaker 1: But then there's city twink, which is like a little

487
00:27:30,040 --> 00:27:33,240
Speaker 1: better dressed and is maybe still wearing what are those

488
00:27:33,280 --> 00:27:37,640
Speaker 1: boots everyone wore when like we were in our earlier twenties,

489
00:27:37,720 --> 00:27:38,639
Speaker 1: Jeffrey Campbell.

490
00:27:38,359 --> 00:27:39,639
Speaker 4: Boots, Jeffrey Campbell.

491
00:27:39,760 --> 00:27:42,480
Speaker 1: Yeah, like maybe the city twink might have some Jeffrey

492
00:27:42,480 --> 00:27:47,119
Speaker 1: Campbell boots and is wearing like leather leggings and a

493
00:27:47,160 --> 00:27:51,600
Speaker 1: north face and a fucking north face that is actually

494
00:27:51,640 --> 00:27:51,960
Speaker 1: a twin.

495
00:27:52,160 --> 00:27:53,920
Speaker 2: Yeah, and I don't think a twin can be above

496
00:27:53,960 --> 00:27:54,560
Speaker 2: five to nine.

497
00:27:54,880 --> 00:27:55,359
Speaker 3: I agree.

498
00:27:56,080 --> 00:27:58,560
Speaker 4: Okay, so we've laid it down. Peace can't be above

499
00:27:58,600 --> 00:27:59,200
Speaker 4: five to nine.

500
00:27:59,280 --> 00:28:02,919
Speaker 1: And then if you're not that, then you're just a faggot,

501
00:28:03,080 --> 00:28:04,600
Speaker 1: and that is really beautiful.

502
00:28:04,720 --> 00:28:07,919
Speaker 2: I do think that sometimes you're seeing twinks where there

503
00:28:07,960 --> 00:28:09,720
Speaker 2: are only fagots. Yeah.

504
00:28:09,800 --> 00:28:12,640
Speaker 4: Yeah, But I also I tend to like my kind

505
00:28:12,680 --> 00:28:16,800
Speaker 4: of orientation around faggot is usually not like gay men.

506
00:28:16,880 --> 00:28:18,360
Speaker 4: It's not always like gay man.

507
00:28:18,720 --> 00:28:21,320
Speaker 3: Faggot is a gender, Yeah, it is, it is.

508
00:28:21,359 --> 00:28:24,119
Speaker 4: I mean, obviously they are like cultural, different cultural meanings

509
00:28:24,119 --> 00:28:25,600
Speaker 4: for like faggot, and a lot of people will see

510
00:28:25,600 --> 00:28:27,280
Speaker 4: it be like faggots and it's like all these guys

511
00:28:27,280 --> 00:28:30,000
Speaker 4: on like the Tai Tee boat or whatever. I'm just like, no,

512
00:28:30,040 --> 00:28:33,119
Speaker 4: a lot of those people like aren't faggots, you know,

513
00:28:33,200 --> 00:28:36,960
Speaker 4: because and like Larry Mitchell's faggot, like you know what

514
00:28:37,040 --> 00:28:40,479
Speaker 4: I mean, like in opposition like counter cultural, which obviously

515
00:28:40,560 --> 00:28:43,280
Speaker 4: isn't true to everybody that identifies sometimes, but that's how

516
00:28:43,280 --> 00:28:44,040
Speaker 4: I'm thinking about it.

517
00:28:44,080 --> 00:28:46,760
Speaker 2: And also, faggot is not necessarily just a way to

518
00:28:46,760 --> 00:28:49,800
Speaker 2: self identify. Faggot is something that you get.

519
00:28:49,600 --> 00:28:53,920
Speaker 4: Called at the streets, Yeah, exactly. Yeah, And fagots are

520
00:28:53,960 --> 00:28:56,040
Speaker 4: not all you know, like cis men, you know what

521
00:28:56,040 --> 00:28:56,360
Speaker 4: I mean.

522
00:28:56,800 --> 00:29:02,800
Speaker 1: But sometimes faggots, Yes, like that's a baggot and you're

523
00:29:02,880 --> 00:29:06,320
Speaker 1: like bumping into me because you don't know that I exist.

524
00:29:06,720 --> 00:29:09,640
Speaker 2: Yah, And you know where you know where fagots congregate

525
00:29:10,120 --> 00:29:12,200
Speaker 2: at the mall, at the mall, at the mall.

526
00:29:12,560 --> 00:29:13,360
Speaker 3: It's all coming together.

527
00:29:13,400 --> 00:29:15,360
Speaker 1: But I really think glad that we chose this topic

528
00:29:15,400 --> 00:29:17,080
Speaker 1: because did we all grow up suburban?

529
00:29:17,240 --> 00:29:17,640
Speaker 2: Yes?

530
00:29:17,760 --> 00:29:20,200
Speaker 1: Yes, so I feel like right, No, I was born

531
00:29:21,200 --> 00:29:27,440
Speaker 1: but I was born in Boca. You were, Yes, I

532
00:29:27,520 --> 00:29:29,280
Speaker 1: was born in Boca, but I grew up in the

533
00:29:29,280 --> 00:29:30,600
Speaker 1: suburbs of Chicago or.

534
00:29:30,840 --> 00:29:32,960
Speaker 4: Jewish, I grew up in the I grew up in

535
00:29:33,920 --> 00:29:36,760
Speaker 4: I grew up in the suburbs of Chicago. Like to

536
00:29:37,640 --> 00:29:41,440
Speaker 4: suburban right south of oak Park, Lagrange, like southwest.

537
00:29:41,440 --> 00:29:43,720
Speaker 3: Wait, I didn't know that. Did you go to the

538
00:29:43,760 --> 00:29:44,240
Speaker 3: same mall?

539
00:29:44,480 --> 00:29:44,960
Speaker 2: Probably?

540
00:29:45,840 --> 00:29:47,520
Speaker 4: Did we have rival high schools or something?

541
00:29:47,680 --> 00:29:48,960
Speaker 3: To Highland Park High Oh?

542
00:29:49,240 --> 00:29:51,840
Speaker 4: I went to Lagrange Highlands.

543
00:29:51,880 --> 00:29:52,880
Speaker 3: What was your mall called?

544
00:29:53,520 --> 00:29:55,800
Speaker 4: It was called there was oak Park. It was the

545
00:29:55,840 --> 00:29:57,360
Speaker 4: oak Park mall we had.

546
00:29:57,640 --> 00:30:01,600
Speaker 3: We had Northbrooke Cross and then we went to Old Orchard.

547
00:30:01,600 --> 00:30:04,239
Speaker 1: Which is now a Westfield. That was the outdoor mall.

548
00:30:04,320 --> 00:30:06,200
Speaker 1: That was I kind of fancier. It was like the grove,

549
00:30:06,960 --> 00:30:09,239
Speaker 1: like the grove grove, I know what the grove? Did

550
00:30:09,280 --> 00:30:11,160
Speaker 1: you go when you were last in l A. No,

551
00:30:11,240 --> 00:30:15,400
Speaker 1: but I've heard tales. I'm like familiar to make a

552
00:30:15,440 --> 00:30:16,520
Speaker 1: pilgrimage at some point.

553
00:30:16,640 --> 00:30:17,479
Speaker 3: It's the mecca.

554
00:30:17,640 --> 00:30:20,800
Speaker 2: It is, although to me, the mecca will always be

555
00:30:20,880 --> 00:30:22,760
Speaker 2: the mall that I grew up with, because I think

556
00:30:22,760 --> 00:30:28,200
Speaker 2: that is universal experiences, like your mall is the mall,

557
00:30:28,720 --> 00:30:31,080
Speaker 2: no matter what other malls you visit in your life,

558
00:30:31,200 --> 00:30:34,120
Speaker 2: Like my mall will always be town Center and Tone.

559
00:30:34,440 --> 00:30:37,280
Speaker 2: I could find my way around it with my eyes closed.

560
00:30:39,240 --> 00:30:41,360
Speaker 3: You could like, what was that movie bird Box?

561
00:30:42,200 --> 00:30:43,560
Speaker 2: Wasn't she.

562
00:30:46,000 --> 00:30:47,000
Speaker 3: Cultural refence?

563
00:30:51,000 --> 00:30:51,480
Speaker 2: What I like?

564
00:30:51,560 --> 00:30:54,000
Speaker 1: It is a central Bullock. I am in love with

565
00:30:54,040 --> 00:30:56,800
Speaker 1: her the first that was my true queer awakening and

566
00:30:56,840 --> 00:31:01,600
Speaker 1: the first exactly we.

567
00:31:01,520 --> 00:31:06,200
Speaker 2: Need to do aeniality episode, yes, because she was trans

568
00:31:06,280 --> 00:31:09,480
Speaker 2: and it's I'm like, I just love the butchery, the

569
00:31:09,520 --> 00:31:10,240
Speaker 2: true butchery.

570
00:31:10,280 --> 00:31:12,000
Speaker 3: She's wearing that dress and she doesn't really know if

571
00:31:12,000 --> 00:31:12,600
Speaker 3: she likes it.

572
00:31:12,920 --> 00:31:16,040
Speaker 2: And like her. Benjamin Bratt as the love interest when

573
00:31:16,080 --> 00:31:22,040
Speaker 2: you know she wants to fuck Sherry truly the first

574
00:31:22,080 --> 00:31:26,000
Speaker 2: fifteen minutes of bird Box are explicitly like a lesbian drama,

575
00:31:26,240 --> 00:31:30,200
Speaker 2: Like really, it's just a lesbian like truly. Wait, I

576
00:31:30,240 --> 00:31:33,360
Speaker 2: also just found out last night that Pedro Pascal is best.

577
00:31:33,400 --> 00:31:35,680
Speaker 2: He's with Sarah Paulson. You didn't know that I had.

578
00:31:36,320 --> 00:31:38,160
Speaker 3: That's cute. He loves lesbian.

579
00:31:38,320 --> 00:31:40,520
Speaker 4: I know that's such a giveaway, like he's he's just

580
00:31:40,560 --> 00:31:42,240
Speaker 4: so gay. I'm so happy, No.

581
00:31:44,080 --> 00:31:44,560
Speaker 3: He is.

582
00:31:45,240 --> 00:31:47,760
Speaker 1: I don't think he's gay, Okay, I think that he Wait,

583
00:31:47,840 --> 00:31:50,800
Speaker 1: because we're all forgetting about this, which is that he's

584
00:31:50,840 --> 00:31:54,400
Speaker 1: an ally. He's like a true I think it's like

585
00:31:54,600 --> 00:31:59,800
Speaker 1: actually an out his trans daughter, Yeah, exactly trans, just

586
00:31:59,800 --> 00:32:02,960
Speaker 1: like yeah, Jimmie Lee Curtis.

587
00:32:02,960 --> 00:32:04,960
Speaker 2: It's like these don't bring her up.

588
00:32:07,040 --> 00:32:07,720
Speaker 3: Allies.

589
00:32:08,040 --> 00:32:11,040
Speaker 1: It's like they're just like Gen X boomers where they

590
00:32:11,240 --> 00:32:14,200
Speaker 1: like have just seen what's gone down and they're like,

591
00:32:14,280 --> 00:32:15,680
Speaker 1: we like p Flag parents.

592
00:32:15,760 --> 00:32:17,600
Speaker 4: It's only a matter of time before we see Petro

593
00:32:17,720 --> 00:32:22,160
Speaker 4: Pascal in conversation with Locate at the ninety second street.

594
00:32:21,960 --> 00:32:23,920
Speaker 2: Wise speaking into existence.

595
00:32:24,720 --> 00:32:27,320
Speaker 1: That's so true where it's like he's going to be

596
00:32:27,360 --> 00:32:29,600
Speaker 1: at like Radio City Music Hall with like Jonathan van

597
00:32:29,680 --> 00:32:35,120
Speaker 1: net No, Yes, shot him to be gay.

598
00:32:35,160 --> 00:32:37,560
Speaker 3: Because he's sexy. But I think it's just like hashtag

599
00:32:37,600 --> 00:32:40,520
Speaker 3: ally No, I.

600
00:32:40,920 --> 00:32:43,640
Speaker 2: Think it's like a well known like he's gay.

601
00:32:44,280 --> 00:32:50,240
Speaker 1: It's like like Bradley Cooper, Like yeah, like Bradley Cooper

602
00:32:50,320 --> 00:32:51,720
Speaker 1: is like scary closeted.

603
00:32:52,200 --> 00:32:53,880
Speaker 3: It's like it's like, you know, he's.

604
00:32:53,680 --> 00:33:00,640
Speaker 1: Bringing real, real twins back to the hotel and they're dying.

605
00:33:01,400 --> 00:33:03,640
Speaker 2: It's like the girl with the dragon tattoos, where like

606
00:33:03,760 --> 00:33:06,680
Speaker 2: he has the basement with like the cages and stuff.

607
00:33:06,800 --> 00:33:09,840
Speaker 1: No, it's kind of like the seal vibes where you

608
00:33:09,880 --> 00:33:13,240
Speaker 1: are like flaying these twings like on your ceiling.

609
00:33:13,360 --> 00:33:19,120
Speaker 3: It's like, yeah, he is actually finding.

610
00:33:20,360 --> 00:33:23,240
Speaker 2: The glass box and find more like finding his Tina

611
00:33:23,240 --> 00:33:24,640
Speaker 2: bites because I'm sure he.

612
00:33:24,640 --> 00:33:30,240
Speaker 6: Loves smoke and me with twins without a doubt he

613
00:33:30,320 --> 00:33:35,560
Speaker 6: needs allegedly allegedly allegedly, Yeah, but I love them all.

614
00:33:38,040 --> 00:33:39,120
Speaker 2: Good transition.

615
00:33:39,760 --> 00:33:41,120
Speaker 3: That's what your ma was called.

616
00:33:41,000 --> 00:33:45,600
Speaker 2: My town center mall and it is. It was my mother,

617
00:33:45,720 --> 00:33:49,400
Speaker 2: it was my father. It was my first relationship.

618
00:33:49,560 --> 00:33:51,640
Speaker 3: Were you going with a click or by yourself or.

619
00:33:51,560 --> 00:33:57,000
Speaker 2: Both both, but mostly by myself? So before I that

620
00:33:57,040 --> 00:33:59,360
Speaker 2: makes sense, before I could drive, I used to roller

621
00:33:59,400 --> 00:34:02,239
Speaker 2: blade to them. Wait, I'm upset, or I would take

622
00:34:02,280 --> 00:34:03,000
Speaker 2: a cab in.

623
00:34:05,440 --> 00:34:08,480
Speaker 4: A cab to like fucking eloise at the plaza, Like

624
00:34:09,280 --> 00:34:09,840
Speaker 4: I would.

625
00:34:09,680 --> 00:34:14,240
Speaker 2: Have to open the phone book and y'all a taxi.

626
00:34:14,440 --> 00:34:15,879
Speaker 3: You are such a city girl.

627
00:34:19,280 --> 00:34:23,600
Speaker 2: From age, I would go to like build a Bear Abercrombie.

628
00:34:23,800 --> 00:34:26,080
Speaker 2: There was one year. There was one year I think

629
00:34:26,560 --> 00:34:29,080
Speaker 2: in high school where for Christmas I got all my

630
00:34:29,200 --> 00:34:31,840
Speaker 2: close friends a build a bear that I dressed up

631
00:34:31,880 --> 00:34:34,000
Speaker 2: to look like them, and I.

632
00:34:33,920 --> 00:34:37,919
Speaker 3: Was like, are such a is so fucking cute?

633
00:34:38,239 --> 00:34:40,560
Speaker 1: Extremely year, I'm sure that she was like, do you

634
00:34:40,560 --> 00:34:43,840
Speaker 1: still have it still?

635
00:34:43,840 --> 00:34:46,040
Speaker 2: Take a picture of it now, Take a picture of

636
00:34:46,080 --> 00:34:48,239
Speaker 2: it right now and hold up in today's newspaper as well.

637
00:34:49,719 --> 00:34:50,480
Speaker 3: I want to see the date.

638
00:34:50,600 --> 00:34:52,600
Speaker 4: Okay, you're bringing up something that is like kind of

639
00:34:52,600 --> 00:34:55,520
Speaker 4: triggering to me, which is like mall birthdays which were

640
00:34:55,600 --> 00:34:59,040
Speaker 4: if we're going to bring class into this conversation, build

641
00:34:59,040 --> 00:35:01,080
Speaker 4: a Bear was an expended birthday.

642
00:35:00,760 --> 00:35:03,759
Speaker 2: Extremely expensive. It's all about add ons, which is so

643
00:35:03,880 --> 00:35:06,640
Speaker 2: nice that you got flat rate for the bear, but

644
00:35:06,680 --> 00:35:08,360
Speaker 2: then you have to dress it up. Oh in the

645
00:35:08,360 --> 00:35:09,680
Speaker 2: part where they have you hold.

646
00:35:09,520 --> 00:35:13,320
Speaker 4: The heart the little silk car I need is a

647
00:35:13,480 --> 00:35:18,520
Speaker 4: cult they're getting they're getting back surgery literally, and.

648
00:35:18,600 --> 00:35:20,319
Speaker 1: There's stuff in those little buzzies.

649
00:35:21,200 --> 00:35:23,160
Speaker 4: Well that that is, I mean those memes of like

650
00:35:23,200 --> 00:35:26,480
Speaker 4: the Bears going into the giant metal pole. What what

651
00:35:26,560 --> 00:35:29,400
Speaker 4: else there was like Libby Lou, which was you know.

652
00:35:30,400 --> 00:35:31,120
Speaker 3: I didn't have Liby.

653
00:35:31,120 --> 00:35:31,719
Speaker 2: I don't know what that was.

654
00:35:32,280 --> 00:35:35,120
Speaker 3: Libby Lou? Were you in make your own glitter makeup?

655
00:35:35,640 --> 00:35:38,799
Speaker 4: Yest me? Limit Libby Lou and also limited To were

656
00:35:38,840 --> 00:35:41,279
Speaker 4: a part of like the Hillary Duff industrial complex. Of

657
00:35:41,320 --> 00:35:44,359
Speaker 4: their thoughts were in they would like indoctrinate like young

658
00:35:44,400 --> 00:35:46,840
Speaker 4: girls to these birthday parties that probably cost like a

659
00:35:46,880 --> 00:35:49,840
Speaker 4: a billion dollars per person, where in they would like

660
00:35:49,880 --> 00:35:55,080
Speaker 4: put them in full drag beat down tapes like seven yeah,

661
00:35:55,120 --> 00:35:57,919
Speaker 4: seven hundred pigtails, as was the fashion of the time.

662
00:35:58,040 --> 00:36:00,000
Speaker 4: And like, I think my sister had a birthday there

663
00:36:00,120 --> 00:36:02,359
Speaker 4: and resented it because she's like not a girly girl,

664
00:36:03,080 --> 00:36:04,640
Speaker 4: but she was like just trying to do what all

665
00:36:04,640 --> 00:36:06,799
Speaker 4: the other like rich girls were doing, you know.

666
00:36:06,920 --> 00:36:08,520
Speaker 3: And were you a faggot child?

667
00:36:08,840 --> 00:36:11,960
Speaker 4: I I mean yes, within reason.

668
00:36:12,080 --> 00:36:13,839
Speaker 2: I was like you were a faggot child?

669
00:36:13,880 --> 00:36:16,520
Speaker 1: Yes, yeah, I mean she was calling a yellow calf

670
00:36:17,480 --> 00:36:20,840
Speaker 1: Virginia slam and My mom.

671
00:36:20,760 --> 00:36:22,080
Speaker 2: Was like, get that dick out of your mouth and

672
00:36:22,120 --> 00:36:22,960
Speaker 2: go to Heubrew School.

673
00:36:23,239 --> 00:36:26,920
Speaker 3: Literally, you were either calling a calf or roller bad.

674
00:36:27,280 --> 00:36:29,399
Speaker 2: Wait, you know where the trade shopped, and I'm talking

675
00:36:29,400 --> 00:36:34,040
Speaker 2: about mom trade. It was either Anne Taylor Loft, White House,

676
00:36:34,200 --> 00:36:39,040
Speaker 2: Black March, the store that old black clothes and white

677
00:36:39,080 --> 00:36:41,440
Speaker 2: clothes I'm familiar, which is my MOA.

678
00:36:41,360 --> 00:36:44,240
Speaker 3: Had a Betsy Johnson whoa.

679
00:36:44,560 --> 00:36:48,080
Speaker 1: I remember walking and I was neither a faggot child

680
00:36:48,120 --> 00:36:51,120
Speaker 1: nor a dyke child. I was very like pat. I

681
00:36:51,239 --> 00:36:55,160
Speaker 1: was very like non binary, you know, wearing my like

682
00:36:55,239 --> 00:36:58,759
Speaker 1: long sleeve shirts, but like walking by limited To and

683
00:36:58,800 --> 00:37:01,120
Speaker 1: like wanting to go in to maybe get like some

684
00:37:01,239 --> 00:37:05,759
Speaker 1: sweatpants that had like a cat wearing like a harness

685
00:37:05,920 --> 00:37:07,759
Speaker 1: on it, like with like a parachute.

686
00:37:08,000 --> 00:37:09,920
Speaker 3: That's what I feel like. All the limited To clothes

687
00:37:09,960 --> 00:37:10,919
Speaker 3: were with I.

688
00:37:10,880 --> 00:37:12,920
Speaker 2: Liked glitter animals. They shouldn't.

689
00:37:13,160 --> 00:37:17,560
Speaker 1: Yeah, I'm this giraffe is like doing a cartwheel. I'm like, okay,

690
00:37:18,080 --> 00:37:20,440
Speaker 1: I'm like not buying her. Children love animals like I

691
00:37:20,480 --> 00:37:22,360
Speaker 1: had zoo books and I want all my clothes to

692
00:37:22,400 --> 00:37:26,200
Speaker 1: have animals on it. Remember walking by Betsy Johnson and

693
00:37:26,280 --> 00:37:29,919
Speaker 1: thinking that like that was the coolest, most glamorous thing

694
00:37:30,000 --> 00:37:32,200
Speaker 1: in the entire world. And I didn't want to wear it,

695
00:37:32,239 --> 00:37:34,440
Speaker 1: but I wanted to be around like girls that were

696
00:37:34,480 --> 00:37:36,799
Speaker 1: wearing it. It was me and knowing that one day

697
00:37:36,880 --> 00:37:40,600
Speaker 1: I would have like a squadron of dolls and we

698
00:37:40,640 --> 00:37:42,760
Speaker 1: would all just like run around and go crazy together.

699
00:37:43,160 --> 00:37:44,320
Speaker 3: Like I knew that was possible.

700
00:37:44,360 --> 00:37:47,600
Speaker 2: That's what's the what's the transversion of a fag hag

701
00:37:48,440 --> 00:37:50,960
Speaker 2: like a doll collector? Exactly?

702
00:37:52,040 --> 00:37:56,600
Speaker 1: God, yes, without I mean, I whatever, I'm iconic film,

703
00:37:56,760 --> 00:37:58,880
Speaker 1: Welcome to the Dollhouse, an iconic film. I was like,

704
00:37:59,000 --> 00:38:00,719
Speaker 1: I knew that one day I would just be like

705
00:38:00,840 --> 00:38:04,200
Speaker 1: surrounded by dolls. When I entered into a Betsy Johnson

706
00:38:04,280 --> 00:38:06,560
Speaker 1: like just looking, I was like, that's what I.

707
00:38:06,560 --> 00:38:09,560
Speaker 2: Knew, because you were looking for friends, you were looking

708
00:38:09,600 --> 00:38:11,799
Speaker 2: for me wandering around the aisles and being like I'm

709
00:38:11,920 --> 00:38:13,200
Speaker 2: just here browd.

710
00:38:14,120 --> 00:38:36,360
Speaker 1: Absolutely okay. But I also feel like another point of

711
00:38:36,440 --> 00:38:39,200
Speaker 1: the law for me was to shop that were you

712
00:38:39,280 --> 00:38:40,640
Speaker 1: all were y'all stealing?

713
00:38:40,840 --> 00:38:43,480
Speaker 4: I was at the time. Yeah, I had like kind

714
00:38:43,480 --> 00:38:46,719
Speaker 4: of suppressed. I was still coming I was still learning

715
00:38:46,760 --> 00:38:49,359
Speaker 4: how to not believe in God. Oh. At this time,

716
00:38:49,600 --> 00:38:52,920
Speaker 4: I was Catholic. I was I was Catholic, then Christian,

717
00:38:52,960 --> 00:38:53,680
Speaker 4: then Baptist.

718
00:38:53,840 --> 00:38:55,680
Speaker 3: Oh my god, they did you do so much?

719
00:38:55,719 --> 00:38:58,040
Speaker 4: I gave up God right around like sixteen. But it

720
00:38:58,080 --> 00:39:00,879
Speaker 4: was like a shaky loss of my and so yeah,

721
00:39:00,880 --> 00:39:03,680
Speaker 4: I was too. I didn't steal until college like an adult.

722
00:39:03,800 --> 00:39:06,399
Speaker 3: But then you finally got I stole so much. Yeah,

723
00:39:06,480 --> 00:39:06,920
Speaker 3: then you're.

724
00:39:06,760 --> 00:39:08,759
Speaker 1: Walking out of the Whole Foods Hot Bar with like

725
00:39:09,040 --> 00:39:11,360
Speaker 1: Somosa's mac and cheese.

726
00:39:11,680 --> 00:39:15,279
Speaker 4: I'm curry, I'm I'm surprised that I never learned how

727
00:39:15,320 --> 00:39:17,680
Speaker 4: to like properly shoplift because like I didn't have like

728
00:39:17,719 --> 00:39:19,640
Speaker 4: a we we went to the mall like as a

729
00:39:19,680 --> 00:39:21,920
Speaker 4: fam like or with my mom like as a treat

730
00:39:22,080 --> 00:39:23,520
Speaker 4: kind of. So like I didn't have a ton of

731
00:39:23,560 --> 00:39:27,440
Speaker 4: expendable income like American Eagle like was like off the table,

732
00:39:27,520 --> 00:39:30,319
Speaker 4: like we can't do it whatever, Like if I'm gonna,

733
00:39:30,520 --> 00:39:32,720
Speaker 4: you know, use my own like chore money or whatever,

734
00:39:32,840 --> 00:39:35,040
Speaker 4: like it's what I can afford at the Urban Outfitters

735
00:39:35,040 --> 00:39:36,239
Speaker 4: book table right like that.

736
00:39:36,840 --> 00:39:41,000
Speaker 1: It really is like the mall is radicalizing in that

737
00:39:41,080 --> 00:39:43,239
Speaker 1: way because it's like when I would go I grew

738
00:39:43,320 --> 00:39:46,920
Speaker 1: up in this like super wealthy suburb and I was

739
00:39:46,960 --> 00:39:49,759
Speaker 1: like a in a family that wasn't wealthy. So when

740
00:39:49,760 --> 00:39:52,000
Speaker 1: I would like go to the mall with all of

741
00:39:52,000 --> 00:39:56,240
Speaker 1: my like extended, like why do middle schoolers roam around

742
00:39:56,320 --> 00:39:57,360
Speaker 1: and packs.

743
00:39:57,040 --> 00:39:59,360
Speaker 2: Of fifteen like feral animals?

744
00:39:59,440 --> 00:40:02,240
Speaker 1: No, Jenny, It's like why were we all stray cats

745
00:40:03,440 --> 00:40:07,320
Speaker 1: like yipping and heating when I was like walking around

746
00:40:07,400 --> 00:40:10,840
Speaker 1: with this like conglomerate of like fifteen other middle schoolers.

747
00:40:10,880 --> 00:40:13,680
Speaker 1: And it's like Christine is able to go to Abercromie

748
00:40:13,680 --> 00:40:16,200
Speaker 1: and Fitch and I can't because I one can't afford

749
00:40:16,239 --> 00:40:18,280
Speaker 1: it too, can't fit into any of it.

750
00:40:18,239 --> 00:40:21,640
Speaker 2: And also can't deal with the wave of fierce colone no.

751
00:40:23,560 --> 00:40:24,320
Speaker 3: Chloroform.

752
00:40:24,480 --> 00:40:28,000
Speaker 2: I'm fainting and the lights are so dark and the

753
00:40:28,120 --> 00:40:29,280
Speaker 2: music is so loud.

754
00:40:29,520 --> 00:40:33,839
Speaker 1: It's like, why am I an unter right? I'm literally eleven.

755
00:40:34,120 --> 00:40:36,960
Speaker 1: I didn't consent to this, it's too much.

756
00:40:37,520 --> 00:40:39,959
Speaker 2: No, I'm like, but you are on the list, I.

757
00:40:39,880 --> 00:40:42,680
Speaker 3: Am, I'm always on the list. No, I'm walking in.

758
00:40:42,760 --> 00:40:45,120
Speaker 1: Also, what's like Abercrommie and Fitch where there was like

759
00:40:45,320 --> 00:40:48,520
Speaker 1: am I remembering correctly, like wood paneled shutter.

760
00:40:48,960 --> 00:40:52,320
Speaker 2: Yeah that was Abercrommie and Hollister, Yes.

761
00:40:52,440 --> 00:40:57,200
Speaker 1: Both of them, but me Fitch couldn't afford Hollister, So

762
00:40:57,239 --> 00:41:02,280
Speaker 1: I'm just kind of like mosying around seal walking out

763
00:41:02,320 --> 00:41:07,319
Speaker 1: with like a very thin gold scarf covered in sequence,

764
00:41:07,920 --> 00:41:09,799
Speaker 1: and I'm like, I guess I'm the fagot from High

765
00:41:09,800 --> 00:41:14,280
Speaker 1: School Musical. I guess that's my role in the rye Ryan.

766
00:41:15,080 --> 00:41:17,239
Speaker 1: I guess that's what I'm doing. But then the thing

767
00:41:17,280 --> 00:41:19,319
Speaker 1: with the mall is I would only go if I

768
00:41:19,440 --> 00:41:21,719
Speaker 1: was anything as a teen is I was hungry.

769
00:41:22,320 --> 00:41:22,600
Speaker 3: I was.

770
00:41:26,480 --> 00:41:29,520
Speaker 2: It's like it's like I was like Beyonce and the

771
00:41:29,560 --> 00:41:32,760
Speaker 2: Homecoming documentary, which goes and I'm hungry.

772
00:41:32,280 --> 00:41:33,480
Speaker 3: And I was hungry.

773
00:41:33,560 --> 00:41:36,120
Speaker 1: So everyone else is trying to like fit into their

774
00:41:36,200 --> 00:41:37,600
Speaker 1: skinny jeans and I'm like.

775
00:41:37,560 --> 00:41:39,200
Speaker 3: I'm trying to go to a Pandim Express.

776
00:41:40,840 --> 00:41:44,560
Speaker 1: I'm trying to go to anti Ann's Orange Julius, let's go.

777
00:41:44,960 --> 00:41:47,040
Speaker 2: I'm trying to go get a free sample outside the

778
00:41:47,120 --> 00:41:47,719
Speaker 2: Chinese food.

779
00:41:47,760 --> 00:41:48,760
Speaker 3: Oh my god. Sam.

780
00:41:48,880 --> 00:41:50,680
Speaker 1: I was walking by and they were like holding out

781
00:41:50,680 --> 00:41:53,120
Speaker 1: with the toothpicks, and I was like, one more one.

782
00:41:53,239 --> 00:41:58,520
Speaker 2: You just keep walking by doing characters really French accents, mustache,

783
00:41:58,960 --> 00:41:59,920
Speaker 2: I'm going to wet sea?

784
00:42:00,280 --> 00:42:00,719
Speaker 3: Wait did?

785
00:42:01,120 --> 00:42:04,960
Speaker 1: Were y'all wearing many tank tops as children.

786
00:42:05,200 --> 00:42:07,839
Speaker 4: I was definitely. I definitely had was a pop collar kid.

787
00:42:08,280 --> 00:42:10,160
Speaker 3: Holy that is so fucking cute.

788
00:42:10,200 --> 00:42:12,080
Speaker 4: And it wasn't even like pure prep. I was just

789
00:42:12,120 --> 00:42:13,680
Speaker 4: trying to be prep, but it was kind of like

790
00:42:13,800 --> 00:42:16,160
Speaker 4: half prep, like this like Polo that I got for

791
00:42:16,239 --> 00:42:17,239
Speaker 4: Christmas from like my own.

792
00:42:17,400 --> 00:42:20,879
Speaker 1: No, I was literally like wearing a custom binder because

793
00:42:20,880 --> 00:42:24,840
Speaker 1: had huge fucking boobs and wearing like fifteen tank tops

794
00:42:24,840 --> 00:42:28,360
Speaker 1: on top of myself, like alright, rip to my boobs,

795
00:42:28,400 --> 00:42:31,440
Speaker 1: like literally creating a binder out of nothing. I was like,

796
00:42:31,440 --> 00:42:34,600
Speaker 1: that's just flatten this ship down. Did your moms have

797
00:42:34,640 --> 00:42:35,360
Speaker 1: movie theaters?

798
00:42:35,600 --> 00:42:35,839
Speaker 2: No?

799
00:42:35,960 --> 00:42:37,920
Speaker 4: Not mine? Oh about are tragic?

800
00:42:38,120 --> 00:42:41,520
Speaker 3: Yes? So it's like I was also sneaking into movies.

801
00:42:41,800 --> 00:42:44,640
Speaker 4: Ooh, now, do you remember like a specific movie that

802
00:42:44,680 --> 00:42:45,200
Speaker 4: you The.

803
00:42:45,200 --> 00:42:49,640
Speaker 1: First movie I ever stuck into was Jim Carrey's horror

804
00:42:49,960 --> 00:42:51,919
Speaker 1: flick thriller The Number twenty three.

805
00:42:52,239 --> 00:42:58,400
Speaker 4: Oh, oh my god, deep Cut, Deep Cut, It's about numerology.

806
00:42:57,920 --> 00:43:00,680
Speaker 1: And Chang two thousand and seven, I would say two

807
00:43:00,719 --> 00:43:04,399
Speaker 1: thousand and seven. Yes, it was this numerology thriller where

808
00:43:04,480 --> 00:43:07,280
Speaker 1: Jim Carrey was like, I'm not the funny guy anymore.

809
00:43:07,400 --> 00:43:08,480
Speaker 3: I'm not a center.

810
00:43:08,560 --> 00:43:11,359
Speaker 1: I'm a serious actor, and it's this movie where he

811
00:43:11,520 --> 00:43:17,919
Speaker 1: is haunted by the numerology mysticism of the number twenty three,

812
00:43:18,440 --> 00:43:21,120
Speaker 1: where he's finding it in all everywhere. He's finding it

813
00:43:21,160 --> 00:43:23,719
Speaker 1: in nine to eleven, he's finding it in Babylon, he's

814
00:43:23,760 --> 00:43:26,680
Speaker 1: finding it when Julius Caesar was assassinated.

815
00:43:26,880 --> 00:43:30,200
Speaker 2: So there's a scene where he's like on googling, crunching

816
00:43:30,239 --> 00:43:34,239
Speaker 2: the number. Yeah, is this calculator, I'll post Eternal Sunshine.

817
00:43:35,280 --> 00:43:37,600
Speaker 3: I don't know. I want to say pre.

818
00:43:37,760 --> 00:43:41,319
Speaker 2: Which I've never seen. There was. What I'm realizing now

819
00:43:41,400 --> 00:43:43,600
Speaker 2: is there's a couple of years and I think it's

820
00:43:43,640 --> 00:43:46,480
Speaker 2: when I was in college when I just wasn't really

821
00:43:46,520 --> 00:43:50,960
Speaker 2: seeing movies. I wasn't seeing like the populist movies that

822
00:43:51,000 --> 00:43:53,880
Speaker 2: were being released because I was here going to college

823
00:43:53,920 --> 00:43:56,840
Speaker 2: and I was just like going to clubs everything.

824
00:43:56,960 --> 00:43:59,520
Speaker 3: You're commuting, yeah, and doing drugs.

825
00:43:59,640 --> 00:44:02,600
Speaker 4: When you said Jim Carrey's and then paused, I was

826
00:44:02,640 --> 00:44:05,640
Speaker 4: just I was really nervous. I was like, what movie

827
00:44:05,760 --> 00:44:07,800
Speaker 4: is it going to be? Because like Jim Carrey's like

828
00:44:07,880 --> 00:44:10,920
Speaker 4: era of movies was like crazy, like from The Ace

829
00:44:10,960 --> 00:44:13,160
Speaker 4: Venture to like his Sad Girl era to that was

830
00:44:13,200 --> 00:44:17,000
Speaker 4: like eternal Sunshine. What was the other sad girl movie

831
00:44:17,000 --> 00:44:19,279
Speaker 4: that he did around that time? I can't remember.

832
00:44:21,160 --> 00:44:21,200
Speaker 2: That.

833
00:44:21,960 --> 00:44:24,399
Speaker 1: I just really love him, and now he's just kind

834
00:44:24,400 --> 00:44:26,960
Speaker 1: of like, I don't know, man, he's just some like

835
00:44:27,080 --> 00:44:29,920
Speaker 1: Venice Beach burnout walking on.

836
00:44:30,920 --> 00:44:35,680
Speaker 2: He's all Jim Carrey, I want to suck.

837
00:44:37,000 --> 00:44:37,600
Speaker 3: And I think.

838
00:44:39,239 --> 00:44:42,279
Speaker 2: That there's a movie that he's in where he Oh.

839
00:44:42,640 --> 00:44:45,160
Speaker 2: I think it's maybe First Bite where this I don't

840
00:44:45,200 --> 00:44:47,960
Speaker 2: know this vampire falls in love with him and he's

841
00:44:48,239 --> 00:44:49,360
Speaker 2: very twinky.

842
00:44:49,160 --> 00:44:51,799
Speaker 3: Me myself and I reen oh.

843
00:44:53,760 --> 00:44:55,040
Speaker 1: And I just feel like, I don't know if he's

844
00:44:55,040 --> 00:44:57,600
Speaker 1: come out about it publicly, but I just feel like

845
00:44:57,640 --> 00:45:04,000
Speaker 1: he would apologize for the ace Tura trans misogyny Dick reveal.

846
00:45:04,520 --> 00:45:07,880
Speaker 2: He totally was also I love you Philip Morris. I

847
00:45:07,880 --> 00:45:13,680
Speaker 2: love you Philip Morris so hot. Yeah, it's actually like

848
00:45:13,719 --> 00:45:15,160
Speaker 2: a very sweet love style.

849
00:45:15,320 --> 00:45:17,439
Speaker 3: Yes, and one of the strongest. You should have sex

850
00:45:17,440 --> 00:45:17,759
Speaker 3: with him.

851
00:45:17,800 --> 00:45:20,920
Speaker 2: I will, I will, Jim, if you're out there, Definitely,

852
00:45:21,040 --> 00:45:21,560
Speaker 2: I consent.

853
00:45:21,840 --> 00:45:23,640
Speaker 3: But I remember that movie.

854
00:45:24,320 --> 00:45:26,440
Speaker 1: I I don't remember if it was no, No, it was

855
00:45:26,480 --> 00:45:29,719
Speaker 1: definitely one of the Judd Apatow movies because I was

856
00:45:29,760 --> 00:45:31,680
Speaker 1: speaking into all of those, because I was like these

857
00:45:31,680 --> 00:45:38,040
Speaker 1: are so trans masculine in a way. I'm I can

858
00:45:38,040 --> 00:45:41,120
Speaker 1: actually see it convinced that Jonah Hill has a vagina.

859
00:45:41,280 --> 00:45:44,279
Speaker 1: Like I just like I really do think that he

860
00:45:44,440 --> 00:45:47,160
Speaker 1: is a trans man who's just like super stout and

861
00:45:47,239 --> 00:45:50,520
Speaker 1: will never find out. He just is like he's a

862
00:45:50,640 --> 00:45:53,920
Speaker 1: late bloomer in that way where I watched the like therapy.

863
00:45:53,600 --> 00:45:55,040
Speaker 4: Mode, I was gonna ask you about that.

864
00:45:55,120 --> 00:45:57,239
Speaker 1: Yeah, I did watch it, and it's funny because I'm

865
00:45:57,280 --> 00:45:59,279
Speaker 1: just like such a sagittarius where I was like, bitch,

866
00:45:59,280 --> 00:46:02,120
Speaker 1: I've already been doing this, Like basically he's just like

867
00:46:02,160 --> 00:46:06,160
Speaker 1: with his therapist writing sigils. I'm like, I have been

868
00:46:06,400 --> 00:46:09,040
Speaker 1: doing this in my like pagan.

869
00:46:08,800 --> 00:46:11,200
Speaker 3: Witch practice since I was seven years old, have you.

870
00:46:12,080 --> 00:46:14,640
Speaker 4: It's like it's literally just like a it's it's Jonah

871
00:46:14,719 --> 00:46:17,400
Speaker 4: Hill thinks his therapist is like a genius. Yes, like

872
00:46:17,480 --> 00:46:18,320
Speaker 4: tapes his own.

873
00:46:18,160 --> 00:46:20,560
Speaker 1: Therapy and it is really presh And I just like

874
00:46:20,680 --> 00:46:23,840
Speaker 1: love people talking about therapy, even though I don't know

875
00:46:23,840 --> 00:46:25,480
Speaker 1: like therapy can work for you or it can't, like

876
00:46:25,520 --> 00:46:27,000
Speaker 1: it's up to you. But part of one of the

877
00:46:27,000 --> 00:46:29,919
Speaker 1: practices that he does with his therapist is that you

878
00:46:30,040 --> 00:46:33,759
Speaker 1: like create a drawing that's like a roun or a

879
00:46:33,800 --> 00:46:39,160
Speaker 1: sigil that is a way to like explain a traumatic situation,

880
00:46:39,520 --> 00:46:43,640
Speaker 1: and you like basically like concoct a spell to like

881
00:46:43,880 --> 00:46:46,080
Speaker 1: give it this like mnemonic device.

882
00:46:46,440 --> 00:46:48,840
Speaker 3: I know, Like it's really beautiful.

883
00:46:49,160 --> 00:46:51,719
Speaker 1: Was I learned how to do that for my like

884
00:46:51,840 --> 00:46:54,600
Speaker 1: witch mom Ilva. It's like it's it is like a

885
00:46:54,640 --> 00:46:56,759
Speaker 1: pagan practice to do that. But I'm like, however, you

886
00:46:56,760 --> 00:46:59,320
Speaker 1: can learn these tools and you're sharing with other people,

887
00:46:59,360 --> 00:46:59,960
Speaker 1: like that's the meaning.

888
00:47:00,120 --> 00:47:02,040
Speaker 2: It's just you got it for free and he's paying,

889
00:47:02,080 --> 00:47:02,680
Speaker 2: you know, Like.

890
00:47:04,120 --> 00:47:06,839
Speaker 1: But his like tattoos are really trans masculine, where it's

891
00:47:06,920 --> 00:47:10,239
Speaker 1: super like you transitioned a little late in life and

892
00:47:10,280 --> 00:47:12,439
Speaker 1: now you just like go to a tattoo shop that's

893
00:47:12,480 --> 00:47:17,680
Speaker 1: called like anchor panther and you're getting like eagle, you know,

894
00:47:18,080 --> 00:47:24,520
Speaker 1: egle mom tattoo, your birthdate exactly, panther, snake with the dagger,

895
00:47:25,080 --> 00:47:27,279
Speaker 1: Like those are all of his tattoos right away, And

896
00:47:27,360 --> 00:47:28,480
Speaker 1: I'm like, it's trans guy.

897
00:47:28,760 --> 00:47:30,640
Speaker 2: Would you fuck j Hill?

898
00:47:31,440 --> 00:47:33,480
Speaker 3: No? But not for any reason.

899
00:47:33,520 --> 00:47:37,000
Speaker 1: I just think that like two goofy guys wouldn't necessarily

900
00:47:37,000 --> 00:47:37,680
Speaker 1: have good sex.

901
00:47:37,880 --> 00:47:38,760
Speaker 2: You're too goofy.

902
00:47:38,840 --> 00:47:40,680
Speaker 3: We're just it's two goofy guys.

903
00:47:40,960 --> 00:47:43,040
Speaker 4: Did you know that there's a goofy tribe on Grinder?

904
00:47:43,080 --> 00:47:44,880
Speaker 3: Now? Wait, what does that mean? It's like.

905
00:47:47,719 --> 00:47:48,759
Speaker 2: There's what does that mean?

906
00:47:48,800 --> 00:47:51,560
Speaker 4: There are like multiple they're like a handful of tags,

907
00:47:51,560 --> 00:47:53,279
Speaker 4: like one hundred or so tags that you can act

908
00:47:53,280 --> 00:47:55,280
Speaker 4: to your profile, and one of them is goofy.

909
00:47:55,400 --> 00:47:56,040
Speaker 3: What does that mean?

910
00:47:57,440 --> 00:47:59,440
Speaker 4: I think it's just like, yeah, like you don't take

911
00:47:59,480 --> 00:48:03,040
Speaker 4: it like it's I don't know, there isn't like a

912
00:48:03,160 --> 00:48:04,040
Speaker 4: serious tag.

913
00:48:04,120 --> 00:48:07,920
Speaker 2: You know. I wish there was this, man, I know

914
00:48:08,080 --> 00:48:11,080
Speaker 2: you would love the serious rolling.

915
00:48:11,239 --> 00:48:14,160
Speaker 4: I found it literally last night and I added it

916
00:48:14,200 --> 00:48:16,360
Speaker 4: to my profile for like three minutes, and I was like, no,

917
00:48:16,719 --> 00:48:17,399
Speaker 4: I can't do this.

918
00:48:17,840 --> 00:48:21,200
Speaker 2: No. That is so because you know, sometimes when someone

919
00:48:21,200 --> 00:48:24,680
Speaker 2: messages you on Grinder, it shows you what tag they

920
00:48:24,760 --> 00:48:28,400
Speaker 2: found you via, yes, and so imagine imagine getting a

921
00:48:28,440 --> 00:48:31,400
Speaker 2: message and it says found you via the goofy tag.

922
00:48:31,719 --> 00:48:34,040
Speaker 2: That's that's only how I find guys on Grinder is

923
00:48:34,040 --> 00:48:34,680
Speaker 2: the goofy tag?

924
00:48:34,800 --> 00:48:36,080
Speaker 3: Yeah yeah, yeah, But I also.

925
00:48:35,880 --> 00:48:39,399
Speaker 1: Think that's super bad as super trans because they were

926
00:48:39,480 --> 00:48:43,440
Speaker 1: just like obsessed with drawing their own genitalia in a way.

927
00:48:43,520 --> 00:48:46,239
Speaker 1: Then I just think it's kind of transgender. Okay, it's

928
00:48:46,280 --> 00:48:49,480
Speaker 1: like it's like they just had like folders and folders

929
00:48:49,520 --> 00:48:53,440
Speaker 1: like filled up with cock and I'm like same, I

930
00:48:53,480 --> 00:48:55,319
Speaker 1: just think it's kind of trans. But I remember I

931
00:48:55,360 --> 00:48:57,439
Speaker 1: think it was super Bad that I stuck into because

932
00:48:57,480 --> 00:49:01,000
Speaker 1: I wasn't seventeen yet or maybe knocked up.

933
00:49:00,960 --> 00:49:03,799
Speaker 4: Or was like super rated R movie. I remember like

934
00:49:03,920 --> 00:49:05,239
Speaker 4: at the time, like you know, my.

935
00:49:05,400 --> 00:49:06,080
Speaker 3: It was so.

936
00:49:07,440 --> 00:49:09,279
Speaker 1: It was so foul and my parents were like, you're

937
00:49:09,320 --> 00:49:11,120
Speaker 1: not allowed to see that. My parents were super strict,

938
00:49:11,160 --> 00:49:15,080
Speaker 1: but I snuck in with my friends. And then one

939
00:49:15,120 --> 00:49:18,719
Speaker 1: of the attendantcy AMC attendants was like checking tickets because

940
00:49:18,719 --> 00:49:20,879
Speaker 1: we would buy a ticket to another movie and then

941
00:49:20,920 --> 00:49:23,440
Speaker 1: go to Super Bad. So I could see the attendant

942
00:49:23,520 --> 00:49:26,319
Speaker 1: coming up. So I turned to this like dad next week,

943
00:49:26,280 --> 00:49:28,000
Speaker 1: and I was like, can you pretend to be my dad?

944
00:49:28,719 --> 00:49:30,200
Speaker 3: And he was like yeah, absolutely.

945
00:49:30,719 --> 00:49:32,799
Speaker 1: So when the attendant came and was like, let me

946
00:49:32,800 --> 00:49:35,480
Speaker 1: see your ticket, the dad was like, this is my child,

947
00:49:35,880 --> 00:49:37,799
Speaker 1: and you won't leave them alone. We are trying to

948
00:49:37,800 --> 00:49:39,720
Speaker 1: watch a movie right now, and I was like whoa.

949
00:49:40,280 --> 00:49:41,799
Speaker 2: And then they tried to lure you back to your

950
00:49:41,840 --> 00:49:42,239
Speaker 2: car and.

951
00:49:42,360 --> 00:49:45,719
Speaker 3: Groomer, and I was like to catch a bread.

952
00:49:46,800 --> 00:49:47,000
Speaker 2: No.

953
00:49:47,160 --> 00:49:50,080
Speaker 3: I mean, I don't think I was not groomable. I

954
00:49:50,120 --> 00:49:55,359
Speaker 3: was a weird looking kid. I was groomble. I was

955
00:49:55,400 --> 00:49:58,120
Speaker 3: like six football and two hundred pounds.

956
00:49:58,160 --> 00:50:05,799
Speaker 2: There's a lot of with a lot of different tables.

957
00:50:04,000 --> 00:50:12,080
Speaker 2: He wanted to, Amen, Amen, there's someone out there who

958
00:50:12,080 --> 00:50:15,399
Speaker 2: would have wanted to take you. I believe that. I

959
00:50:15,440 --> 00:50:16,359
Speaker 2: believe that, I.

960
00:50:16,280 --> 00:50:19,239
Speaker 3: Really, my inner child really needed to hear that.

961
00:50:19,440 --> 00:50:21,839
Speaker 1: Without a doubt, that's what I was doing at them all,

962
00:50:21,920 --> 00:50:25,960
Speaker 1: speaking into movies and going to the food court to

963
00:50:25,960 --> 00:50:26,839
Speaker 1: get snacks.

964
00:50:27,719 --> 00:50:31,040
Speaker 4: Did y'all have like a cinnabon sabarro combo? Yes, we

965
00:50:31,120 --> 00:50:31,759
Speaker 4: had one of those.

966
00:50:32,080 --> 00:50:34,279
Speaker 2: Yes, we did not have a ciborrow. I don't. I

967
00:50:34,280 --> 00:50:35,680
Speaker 2: don't think we had a cinnabon either.

968
00:50:36,440 --> 00:50:39,759
Speaker 1: We've also had all of the At the time, I

969
00:50:39,800 --> 00:50:42,240
Speaker 1: thought that these were like the pinnacle of fine dining,

970
00:50:42,680 --> 00:50:46,160
Speaker 1: which are like the fat the not fast casual, but

971
00:50:46,239 --> 00:50:50,239
Speaker 1: like upscale casual chains like McCormick and.

972
00:50:50,200 --> 00:50:52,440
Speaker 4: Schmicks, California Pizza Kitchen.

973
00:50:52,239 --> 00:50:55,239
Speaker 3: California Mother Fucking Pizza Kitchen.

974
00:50:55,480 --> 00:50:59,600
Speaker 1: Fran say that say that I was being my parents

975
00:50:59,600 --> 00:50:59,960
Speaker 1: every day.

976
00:51:00,080 --> 00:51:02,520
Speaker 3: Let us go to CPK, let us go to CPACH.

977
00:51:02,600 --> 00:51:06,880
Speaker 2: I need that you see, my mall was a little

978
00:51:06,880 --> 00:51:10,279
Speaker 2: too bougie because when when we moved to Florida and

979
00:51:10,400 --> 00:51:13,719
Speaker 2: I used to live from Boston, I actually used to

980
00:51:13,760 --> 00:51:15,759
Speaker 2: live across the street from the mall. That was like

981
00:51:15,800 --> 00:51:18,600
Speaker 2: the first place we lived in Scia. And at that

982
00:51:18,760 --> 00:51:20,799
Speaker 2: era of my life, there was a TGI Fridays there

983
00:51:20,800 --> 00:51:22,920
Speaker 2: and I remember having a birthday party there once and

984
00:51:22,960 --> 00:51:26,799
Speaker 2: singing along to Umbob. But then the mall got a

985
00:51:26,840 --> 00:51:31,080
Speaker 2: little more chic, and so the only restaurants were a

986
00:51:31,120 --> 00:51:33,879
Speaker 2: little more upscale. So we used to have this place

987
00:51:33,920 --> 00:51:38,560
Speaker 2: called Stir Crazy, which was like I love Pan Asian,

988
00:51:39,520 --> 00:51:43,600
Speaker 2: you know, Wonderland. That because Ariana Grande grew up in

989
00:51:43,600 --> 00:51:45,879
Speaker 2: Boca as well. Well she's well she's from del Rey,

990
00:51:46,200 --> 00:51:48,480
Speaker 2: and I think she said before in an interview that

991
00:51:48,840 --> 00:51:50,000
Speaker 2: she loved Stir Crazy.

992
00:51:51,120 --> 00:51:52,400
Speaker 3: Did you all have cheesecake factory?

993
00:51:52,719 --> 00:51:56,840
Speaker 2: Yes, Roses Cheesecake. Actually it wasn't It wasn't attached to

994
00:51:56,880 --> 00:52:01,360
Speaker 2: the mall, but it was nearby. It was my f

995
00:52:02,480 --> 00:52:04,160
Speaker 2: was my shit that?

996
00:52:05,719 --> 00:52:06,840
Speaker 3: Did you have magic Pan?

997
00:52:07,280 --> 00:52:07,320
Speaker 2: No?

998
00:52:07,719 --> 00:52:09,239
Speaker 3: That was like the crapy one.

999
00:52:09,520 --> 00:52:11,560
Speaker 4: Yeah, I've heard of that. I never bet how I became.

1000
00:52:12,440 --> 00:52:14,839
Speaker 1: Actually recently I asked a friend if they were by

1001
00:52:15,000 --> 00:52:16,960
Speaker 1: and she was like, no, I'm pan. I was like,

1002
00:52:17,000 --> 00:52:21,279
Speaker 1: I love that throwback. That's so like Lilith Fair, like

1003
00:52:21,360 --> 00:52:24,840
Speaker 1: you with a tambourine. I was like, okay, Sarah McLaughlin.

1004
00:52:24,600 --> 00:52:26,560
Speaker 2: Yeah, so Bushwick twenty seventeen.

1005
00:52:26,840 --> 00:52:28,279
Speaker 3: Yeah, I was like, let's get pan.

1006
00:52:29,040 --> 00:52:32,399
Speaker 1: But I had Did you have almond moms like skinny parents?

1007
00:52:32,680 --> 00:52:33,000
Speaker 6: No?

1008
00:52:33,600 --> 00:52:36,800
Speaker 2: My mom was ok so passed down from my grandma.

1009
00:52:36,920 --> 00:52:37,200
Speaker 3: Yeah.

1010
00:52:37,239 --> 00:52:40,399
Speaker 2: My mom was always on some kind of diet. Yeah,

1011
00:52:40,480 --> 00:52:42,480
Speaker 2: much like my grandma was when I was a kid.

1012
00:52:43,160 --> 00:52:46,120
Speaker 2: I remember there was one year where my grandma only

1013
00:52:46,200 --> 00:52:49,719
Speaker 2: eight frozen yogurt, like we would go, we would go.

1014
00:52:50,120 --> 00:52:54,640
Speaker 2: It was playing with toppings. It was. It was when

1015
00:52:54,640 --> 00:52:57,480
Speaker 2: my grandparents still lived in Long Island. They had a house.

1016
00:52:59,480 --> 00:53:02,400
Speaker 2: My grandparents were snowbirds, so they lived on Long Island,

1017
00:53:02,440 --> 00:53:04,080
Speaker 2: but they had a house in Boca where they would

1018
00:53:04,120 --> 00:53:07,040
Speaker 2: spend the winter. But we would go up and visit

1019
00:53:07,080 --> 00:53:08,680
Speaker 2: them on Long Island and they would take us to

1020
00:53:08,719 --> 00:53:11,120
Speaker 2: the diner and everyone order food and my grandma would

1021
00:53:11,120 --> 00:53:15,520
Speaker 2: just order frozen yoga. And she always had like bars

1022
00:53:15,760 --> 00:53:18,560
Speaker 2: in the house, like protein bars, and she has this

1023
00:53:18,680 --> 00:53:23,400
Speaker 2: reusable weight Watchers thermos that she's had like front for

1024
00:53:23,440 --> 00:53:25,319
Speaker 2: as long as I can remember. And the last time

1025
00:53:25,360 --> 00:53:26,719
Speaker 2: I was at their house, it was sitting on on

1026
00:53:26,760 --> 00:53:28,760
Speaker 2: the counter and I started crying.

1027
00:53:30,239 --> 00:53:31,080
Speaker 3: Why were you crying?

1028
00:53:31,200 --> 00:53:34,880
Speaker 2: Just because it like triggered this memory, Like that to

1029
00:53:34,960 --> 00:53:36,960
Speaker 2: me is so comforting, but it also like is a

1030
00:53:36,960 --> 00:53:40,000
Speaker 2: symbol of the my grandma's horrible.

1031
00:53:43,520 --> 00:53:44,479
Speaker 3: This entire time.

1032
00:53:44,520 --> 00:53:47,319
Speaker 2: It's so depressing, I know. And she's still like we

1033
00:53:47,480 --> 00:53:49,800
Speaker 2: we'll go out to dinner and she'll always ask for

1034
00:53:49,840 --> 00:53:53,240
Speaker 2: the salad with dressing on the side. Just get anything fattening,

1035
00:53:53,480 --> 00:53:55,600
Speaker 2: and it's like, babe, like you might not be here

1036
00:53:55,640 --> 00:53:58,800
Speaker 2: for that much longer, Like get them, get get toppings

1037
00:53:58,840 --> 00:54:01,000
Speaker 2: on the frozen yogurt, chicken.

1038
00:54:02,080 --> 00:54:07,440
Speaker 3: Put the mochi on your frozen yoga the little dice strawberries.

1039
00:54:07,600 --> 00:54:08,520
Speaker 4: Did you have an almond?

1040
00:54:08,520 --> 00:54:08,960
Speaker 2: Mommy?

1041
00:54:09,120 --> 00:54:10,160
Speaker 3: I had an almond.

1042
00:54:10,520 --> 00:54:14,240
Speaker 1: My mom is really like eating disorders, like really skinny,

1043
00:54:14,480 --> 00:54:16,080
Speaker 1: like doesn't salt her food.

1044
00:54:16,680 --> 00:54:18,040
Speaker 3: We didn't even have mashed potatoes.

1045
00:54:18,040 --> 00:54:21,760
Speaker 1: She would make mashomatoes with carrots, which is like actually

1046
00:54:22,000 --> 00:54:25,880
Speaker 1: so oppressive and like so dark. But then she also

1047
00:54:26,080 --> 00:54:27,920
Speaker 1: was like can I have a bite of that? Like

1048
00:54:28,040 --> 00:54:32,440
Speaker 1: so she'll just kind a bite of that. She's picking mom,

1049
00:54:32,560 --> 00:54:34,759
Speaker 1: But she is like, I don't add salt anything, it's

1050
00:54:34,800 --> 00:54:38,880
Speaker 1: bad for you. She also literally believes anything that Oprah

1051
00:54:38,880 --> 00:54:41,399
Speaker 1: Winfrey has ever said, and anything that like.

1052
00:54:41,520 --> 00:54:43,920
Speaker 3: MSN dot com says, you know.

1053
00:54:44,160 --> 00:54:46,120
Speaker 1: So she's like, I don't eat salmon anymore because there's

1054
00:54:46,280 --> 00:54:47,040
Speaker 1: mercury in it.

1055
00:54:47,360 --> 00:54:50,920
Speaker 2: But I know it's so hard to be a fat

1056
00:54:51,040 --> 00:54:53,880
Speaker 2: kid skitty with an almond.

1057
00:54:54,440 --> 00:55:00,440
Speaker 1: And then my dad, dad, who was always dining so

1058
00:55:00,480 --> 00:55:03,759
Speaker 1: like he and like now he's skinny, but in the

1059
00:55:03,960 --> 00:55:07,160
Speaker 1: scary way where he just looks like a fucking bowling pin.

1060
00:55:07,200 --> 00:55:10,160
Speaker 2: Where it's just like from being old. Yeah, because men

1061
00:55:10,200 --> 00:55:12,080
Speaker 2: get thin as they exactly.

1062
00:55:12,120 --> 00:55:14,040
Speaker 1: But he also it's like we don't really talk anymore.

1063
00:55:14,120 --> 00:55:16,680
Speaker 1: But when we were talking, I'd be like you okay,

1064
00:55:16,760 --> 00:55:18,279
Speaker 1: you sound weak and he was like.

1065
00:55:18,400 --> 00:55:19,879
Speaker 3: Well, it's my fasting day.

1066
00:55:20,400 --> 00:55:22,160
Speaker 1: I was like, a bitch, you're yelling at me because

1067
00:55:22,160 --> 00:55:25,080
Speaker 1: you're fucking hungry, like have like have a steak, have

1068
00:55:25,160 --> 00:55:28,440
Speaker 1: a snickers. Where he was always like putting me on

1069
00:55:28,640 --> 00:55:31,879
Speaker 1: juice cleanses and me on, like you'll play light.

1070
00:55:32,239 --> 00:55:33,600
Speaker 2: Oh, I have to go to weight Watchers.

1071
00:55:33,800 --> 00:55:34,640
Speaker 3: I was on weight.

1072
00:55:34,520 --> 00:55:37,080
Speaker 1: Watchers as a kid. I was on at Cans. I'm like,

1073
00:55:37,120 --> 00:55:37,759
Speaker 1: you were putting to.

1074
00:55:37,800 --> 00:55:38,880
Speaker 2: Go to the nutritionists.

1075
00:55:38,960 --> 00:55:41,600
Speaker 1: Yes, you're putting a twelve year old on Atkins where

1076
00:55:41,600 --> 00:55:43,319
Speaker 1: all they're having is like bacon and.

1077
00:55:43,320 --> 00:55:47,239
Speaker 3: Turkey sausage, like you hate me, you hate me.

1078
00:55:47,200 --> 00:55:49,880
Speaker 1: Hate me, where it's like I can't have bread, but

1079
00:55:49,920 --> 00:55:52,080
Speaker 1: I can have like I can have like.

1080
00:55:52,960 --> 00:55:54,920
Speaker 3: Steak twice a day.

1081
00:55:55,440 --> 00:55:58,239
Speaker 1: Like it's not making sense and like all the what

1082
00:55:58,400 --> 00:55:59,879
Speaker 1: not because I want.

1083
00:55:59,760 --> 00:56:01,840
Speaker 3: Like this is not a good vibe.

1084
00:56:02,040 --> 00:56:04,320
Speaker 1: So the mall to me was like I was able

1085
00:56:04,360 --> 00:56:07,239
Speaker 1: to like cheat and go to day. I would be

1086
00:56:07,239 --> 00:56:08,799
Speaker 1: able to go to cheat day and not tell them

1087
00:56:08,840 --> 00:56:10,800
Speaker 1: and they'd like, what did you eat? And I'd be like, salad,

1088
00:56:11,080 --> 00:56:15,520
Speaker 1: but really I was grass, going fucking ham or say

1089
00:56:16,800 --> 00:56:17,560
Speaker 1: I okay.

1090
00:56:17,640 --> 00:56:20,960
Speaker 2: I used to love something the Italian sandwich specifically, so

1091
00:56:21,600 --> 00:56:26,560
Speaker 2: when my mom was dating who eventually became my step dad,

1092
00:56:26,840 --> 00:56:28,719
Speaker 2: they would go on dates on Saturday nights and I

1093
00:56:28,719 --> 00:56:30,759
Speaker 2: would stay home alone and my brother would usually be

1094
00:56:30,880 --> 00:56:31,480
Speaker 2: at Are.

1095
00:56:31,360 --> 00:56:32,160
Speaker 3: You the oldest?

1096
00:56:32,640 --> 00:56:35,920
Speaker 2: I'm the oldest of my Yes, I'm the oldest. Technically

1097
00:56:37,719 --> 00:56:40,359
Speaker 2: my dad has a I have an older half brother

1098
00:56:40,400 --> 00:56:42,160
Speaker 2: from another marriage, but we didn't grow up together. So

1099
00:56:42,280 --> 00:56:43,680
Speaker 2: like of the kids that I grew up with, I

1100
00:56:43,760 --> 00:56:45,879
Speaker 2: was the oldest. So I got to like, I got

1101
00:56:45,880 --> 00:56:48,080
Speaker 2: to spend Saturday nights alone and would be like, okay,

1102
00:56:48,160 --> 00:56:50,000
Speaker 2: well we'll go rent you a video from Blockbustern and

1103
00:56:50,000 --> 00:56:51,920
Speaker 2: get you something to eat. And what I always wanted

1104
00:56:52,000 --> 00:56:54,160
Speaker 2: was to get subway from the gas station that had

1105
00:56:54,160 --> 00:56:57,160
Speaker 2: a subway attached to it. And I don't know, but

1106
00:56:57,280 --> 00:56:59,520
Speaker 2: I loved it. And then if it tastes like yoga,

1107
00:56:59,560 --> 00:57:03,719
Speaker 2: bat well, Now eventually I graduated to I would like

1108
00:57:03,760 --> 00:57:05,480
Speaker 2: watch My Sex and the City box SE's and order

1109
00:57:05,600 --> 00:57:10,520
Speaker 2: Chinese food. But you were gay, you are gay gay,

1110
00:57:10,640 --> 00:57:11,200
Speaker 2: but there.

1111
00:57:11,120 --> 00:57:12,680
Speaker 3: Is I don't think your parents could have done to

1112
00:57:12,680 --> 00:57:13,440
Speaker 3: stop this trade.

1113
00:57:13,480 --> 00:57:15,920
Speaker 4: And you know that the subway the subway bread, and

1114
00:57:16,120 --> 00:57:19,600
Speaker 4: like I think Ireland or the UK is legally cannot

1115
00:57:19,640 --> 00:57:21,200
Speaker 4: be constituted as bread.

1116
00:57:22,520 --> 00:57:26,080
Speaker 2: Because it's very porous. But when I was sugar, when

1117
00:57:26,080 --> 00:57:28,000
Speaker 2: I was in middle school, I would tear up a

1118
00:57:28,080 --> 00:57:29,000
Speaker 2: chicken karaokee.

1119
00:57:29,160 --> 00:57:32,160
Speaker 3: Si, how about pop Elly's, you'll have that at your.

1120
00:57:32,280 --> 00:57:39,920
Speaker 2: Love Polly john Sloop Jimmy John Tho. Yeah, Jimmy is

1121
00:57:39,960 --> 00:57:42,320
Speaker 2: good though, And there's one near where I live. I

1122
00:57:42,360 --> 00:57:43,160
Speaker 2: have gone there.

1123
00:57:43,280 --> 00:57:46,800
Speaker 1: No, but the Pheromona Jimmy John's is so stale.

1124
00:57:47,120 --> 00:57:50,040
Speaker 3: I'm like, it is not like the air it's like airplane.

1125
00:57:49,560 --> 00:57:53,640
Speaker 2: But I love that related for is good. It is good.

1126
00:57:53,960 --> 00:57:58,400
Speaker 1: It's like I feel like Jimmy John's is like the sexy.

1127
00:57:58,080 --> 00:58:00,360
Speaker 3: Tweakers work there, you know what I mean.

1128
00:58:00,560 --> 00:58:04,760
Speaker 2: Yes, the guys who like invite you over at four

1129
00:58:04,760 --> 00:58:07,960
Speaker 2: a m. And they can only fun if there's pouring on.

1130
00:58:10,000 --> 00:58:12,320
Speaker 1: Where it's they can't really keep it up on their

1131
00:58:12,400 --> 00:58:16,080
Speaker 1: androids when they're making their sandwich. They're watching them sung on.

1132
00:58:16,080 --> 00:58:17,160
Speaker 3: Their Samsung Galaxies.

1133
00:58:17,160 --> 00:58:19,440
Speaker 1: It's like they have poorn up and you taste it

1134
00:58:19,440 --> 00:58:22,440
Speaker 1: in the sandwich and it's kind of but Subway is

1135
00:58:22,520 --> 00:58:24,200
Speaker 1: kind of a little bit more like perk.

1136
00:58:24,400 --> 00:58:26,960
Speaker 3: It's a little bit more like you're barely away.

1137
00:58:27,200 --> 00:58:33,600
Speaker 2: It's a out barbituates yea boots.

1138
00:58:49,440 --> 00:58:52,080
Speaker 1: And your pot belly is that you have was there

1139
00:58:52,160 --> 00:58:55,640
Speaker 1: like aloft in the pot bellies people.

1140
00:58:57,080 --> 00:58:58,800
Speaker 2: What not that pot.

1141
00:58:58,640 --> 00:58:59,480
Speaker 3: Belly has had?

1142
00:58:59,640 --> 00:59:03,680
Speaker 1: Like he had literally an open mic where like people

1143
00:59:03,680 --> 00:59:07,000
Speaker 1: who were still in my hometown, like men who never left,

1144
00:59:07,040 --> 00:59:10,200
Speaker 1: would like climb up this ladder to the loft and

1145
00:59:10,280 --> 00:59:12,680
Speaker 1: play John Mayer. It's like I would be ordering my

1146
00:59:12,760 --> 00:59:16,760
Speaker 1: Italian sub hearing this guy named Tyler singing like waiting

1147
00:59:16,800 --> 00:59:19,720
Speaker 1: for the world to change, and I was like, I

1148
00:59:19,800 --> 00:59:22,280
Speaker 1: need to get the fuck out of Hollow Park before

1149
00:59:22,320 --> 00:59:23,280
Speaker 1: it swallows me.

1150
00:59:23,680 --> 00:59:26,520
Speaker 4: The Jason Ras covers in in my suburb were playing

1151
00:59:26,560 --> 00:59:30,200
Speaker 4: at the Borders bookstore cafe. Oh yeah, that was There

1152
00:59:30,240 --> 00:59:32,400
Speaker 4: was definitely an open mic scenario there where there was

1153
00:59:32,400 --> 00:59:34,840
Speaker 4: like also like slam poetry, probably.

1154
00:59:34,520 --> 00:59:37,040
Speaker 2: Talk about where I grew up. It is the Border's

1155
00:59:37,080 --> 00:59:42,560
Speaker 2: bookstore cafe. Also it's also where I got my bars at.

1156
00:59:42,400 --> 00:59:43,960
Speaker 3: The Borders were so good.

1157
00:59:44,200 --> 00:59:50,880
Speaker 2: Really was not much your boyfriend as a thirty year

1158
00:59:50,920 --> 00:59:55,040
Speaker 2: old man who who picked me up out outside of

1159
00:59:55,080 --> 00:59:57,640
Speaker 2: the New Age spirituality section where I was looking at

1160
00:59:57,640 --> 01:00:00,400
Speaker 2: books about WICCA and I was seventeen, So he was

1161
01:00:00,440 --> 01:00:01,400
Speaker 2: definitely a p out of.

1162
01:00:04,600 --> 01:00:07,240
Speaker 3: But he was your friend. Well, he was.

1163
01:00:07,240 --> 01:00:09,160
Speaker 2: My boyfriend in that I would tell my mom I

1164
01:00:09,200 --> 01:00:11,760
Speaker 2: was going to rehearsal and I would go over to

1165
01:00:12,720 --> 01:00:13,360
Speaker 2: a theater.

1166
01:00:14,320 --> 01:00:15,680
Speaker 4: Yep, and I lied about rehearsal.

1167
01:00:15,800 --> 01:00:17,200
Speaker 2: Yeah, And I would hook.

1168
01:00:17,080 --> 01:00:18,800
Speaker 4: Up to go hook up or to just to like

1169
01:00:18,840 --> 01:00:19,680
Speaker 4: go sit in the.

1170
01:00:19,640 --> 01:00:21,960
Speaker 3: Park and I'm so jealous. Y'all had sex in high school.

1171
01:00:22,000 --> 01:00:25,280
Speaker 2: No, rehearsal was such a good cover for going over

1172
01:00:25,320 --> 01:00:27,400
Speaker 2: to this thirty one year old guy's house and letting

1173
01:00:27,440 --> 01:00:28,680
Speaker 2: him come in my ass.

1174
01:00:28,720 --> 01:00:31,440
Speaker 3: Well, okay, so made you a better woman? I did.

1175
01:00:31,480 --> 01:00:34,520
Speaker 4: Literally my first boyfriend, I was still in the closet

1176
01:00:34,560 --> 01:00:36,440
Speaker 4: and my boyfriend was out to when did you come out?

1177
01:00:36,640 --> 01:00:39,640
Speaker 4: Uh seven, I want to say seventeen eighteen? Great, I think.

1178
01:00:40,200 --> 01:00:41,880
Speaker 4: And my boyfriend was out to his parents but like

1179
01:00:41,920 --> 01:00:44,240
Speaker 4: his parents were like just weird and bad, and so

1180
01:00:44,280 --> 01:00:47,320
Speaker 4: we were like, where do we hook up? My I

1181
01:00:47,360 --> 01:00:51,680
Speaker 4: had a key to my mom's office and I why, yes,

1182
01:00:51,800 --> 01:00:52,520
Speaker 4: she trusted you.

1183
01:00:52,960 --> 01:00:56,160
Speaker 2: I mean, I don't want to trust sucked in your mind.

1184
01:00:56,280 --> 01:00:58,080
Speaker 4: I don't know if I had it or if I

1185
01:00:58,120 --> 01:01:00,720
Speaker 4: would steal it because I knew my mom like working

1186
01:01:00,720 --> 01:01:02,880
Speaker 4: hours or whatever. But I would go to my mom's

1187
01:01:02,920 --> 01:01:05,280
Speaker 4: office in Hinsdale late at night.

1188
01:01:07,720 --> 01:01:11,000
Speaker 2: It's like the nice It's like the Boca of the Southwest, okay.

1189
01:01:11,800 --> 01:01:15,000
Speaker 4: And and I would pack no joke. I would pack

1190
01:01:15,160 --> 01:01:18,560
Speaker 4: like a mattress that like a kind of rolling mattress

1191
01:01:18,600 --> 01:01:21,360
Speaker 4: that I had. You're such a blankets and yes, and

1192
01:01:21,360 --> 01:01:24,120
Speaker 4: blankets not going to be uncomfortable, but not joke. And

1193
01:01:24,160 --> 01:01:26,680
Speaker 4: I would pack it in my mom's minivan and bring

1194
01:01:26,680 --> 01:01:29,439
Speaker 4: it to Candle. I did not bring a sen a kettle,

1195
01:01:29,480 --> 01:01:31,680
Speaker 4: but there was probably already one there because you brought.

1196
01:01:31,480 --> 01:01:34,520
Speaker 1: Like a glade plug it that you could just like

1197
01:01:34,600 --> 01:01:35,680
Speaker 1: pop into the outlets.

1198
01:01:35,720 --> 01:01:38,240
Speaker 2: It was incense for the sticks that you like turned

1199
01:01:38,320 --> 01:01:44,680
Speaker 2: over incense that I bought it Like whatever those are? Seriously,

1200
01:01:45,200 --> 01:01:47,760
Speaker 2: when did those like spring into existence?

1201
01:01:48,040 --> 01:01:48,680
Speaker 3: The sticks?

1202
01:01:48,800 --> 01:01:49,080
Speaker 2: Yeah?

1203
01:01:49,120 --> 01:01:53,560
Speaker 1: I feel like when Sharper image came to Oh I

1204
01:01:53,600 --> 01:01:56,720
Speaker 1: love same. I was there again, the back massage from

1205
01:01:56,760 --> 01:01:57,160
Speaker 1: a chair.

1206
01:01:57,320 --> 01:01:59,680
Speaker 2: I like sticking my hand into the thing with the needles.

1207
01:02:00,080 --> 01:02:01,080
Speaker 3: Loved doing that.

1208
01:02:01,320 --> 01:02:02,280
Speaker 2: Yes I do.

1209
01:02:02,440 --> 01:02:04,960
Speaker 1: I should do academy and as an adults, Oh my god,

1210
01:02:05,000 --> 01:02:05,600
Speaker 1: how did it feel?

1211
01:02:05,720 --> 01:02:08,080
Speaker 2: No? I said I would, Okay, you should. I should

1212
01:02:08,120 --> 01:02:09,040
Speaker 2: buy one on Amazon.

1213
01:02:09,160 --> 01:02:12,680
Speaker 3: You actually should. That would be a really pleasant.

1214
01:02:12,480 --> 01:02:15,560
Speaker 4: Brookstone was that place for us? The massage chairs?

1215
01:02:15,680 --> 01:02:18,680
Speaker 1: What about all the kiosks where it's like, why am

1216
01:02:18,720 --> 01:02:19,440
Speaker 1: I getting.

1217
01:02:19,120 --> 01:02:20,720
Speaker 3: My hair straight right now?

1218
01:02:22,320 --> 01:02:27,040
Speaker 1: Eastern European refugee that like the only job that she

1219
01:02:27,120 --> 01:02:29,840
Speaker 1: can get. I'm like, why is Olga straightening my hair

1220
01:02:29,920 --> 01:02:33,000
Speaker 1: right now? But I was like literally, but I was like,

1221
01:02:33,080 --> 01:02:35,640
Speaker 1: she's hot. I remember that the girls working at the

1222
01:02:35,680 --> 01:02:37,200
Speaker 1: kiosks were so sexy.

1223
01:02:37,440 --> 01:02:41,960
Speaker 2: That's crazy. But the mom and my sister's hair. That

1224
01:02:42,240 --> 01:02:45,920
Speaker 2: was so accurate. But they were also had been sex traffic.

1225
01:02:47,480 --> 01:02:51,360
Speaker 3: Why are they women straightening my hair? And do the

1226
01:02:51,440 --> 01:02:52,920
Speaker 3: Carroten treatment on me right now?

1227
01:02:53,280 --> 01:02:54,320
Speaker 2: The male order bride.

1228
01:02:54,480 --> 01:02:57,880
Speaker 3: Yes, I was like, I will save you in love

1229
01:02:57,960 --> 01:02:58,280
Speaker 3: with her.

1230
01:02:58,400 --> 01:03:01,600
Speaker 2: Speaking of hair treatments, I like exclusively got my hair

1231
01:03:01,640 --> 01:03:05,240
Speaker 2: done at the salon at the mall justwhere. When I

1232
01:03:05,280 --> 01:03:10,080
Speaker 2: was sixteen, I got my hair chemically straightened. No, no,

1233
01:03:10,200 --> 01:03:13,120
Speaker 2: you did not. It was like to my shoulders. You

1234
01:03:13,200 --> 01:03:16,760
Speaker 2: were so okay, give me once again.

1235
01:03:17,440 --> 01:03:20,640
Speaker 3: Okay. I was worried for you.

1236
01:03:20,720 --> 01:03:21,880
Speaker 2: Why did you make that alive?

1237
01:03:22,160 --> 01:03:24,360
Speaker 1: Because when a kid is that much of a faggot,

1238
01:03:24,840 --> 01:03:26,320
Speaker 1: they don't always make it.

1239
01:03:27,120 --> 01:03:29,760
Speaker 3: They were letting you out. My kid was that gay.

1240
01:03:29,800 --> 01:03:30,840
Speaker 3: I'm homeschooling now.

1241
01:03:31,400 --> 01:03:34,120
Speaker 2: I almost didn't make it, but I went to an

1242
01:03:34,200 --> 01:03:35,760
Speaker 2: art school. That's how I survived.

1243
01:03:35,880 --> 01:03:36,520
Speaker 3: You were famed.

1244
01:03:36,560 --> 01:03:38,480
Speaker 2: Yeah, I did not have public.

1245
01:03:38,240 --> 01:03:40,160
Speaker 3: No, because you should not be allowed to go to

1246
01:03:40,160 --> 01:03:41,680
Speaker 3: public in that gay No.

1247
01:03:41,680 --> 01:03:41,920
Speaker 2: No, no.

1248
01:03:42,000 --> 01:03:47,000
Speaker 1: If you're at like the Redkin lounge, your hairically straightened

1249
01:03:47,360 --> 01:03:49,160
Speaker 1: at the John Frieda.

1250
01:03:48,920 --> 01:03:52,280
Speaker 2: Ouse and I had a little flat irons. Yeah, po

1251
01:03:52,920 --> 01:03:54,320
Speaker 2: champoo conditioner combo.

1252
01:03:55,240 --> 01:03:58,120
Speaker 1: I was the red the red because yeah, you are

1253
01:03:58,320 --> 01:04:03,880
Speaker 1: notemically straightened and wearing like American eagle buttoned down.

1254
01:04:04,080 --> 01:04:06,960
Speaker 3: Sweetie, this world. You're too pure for this.

1255
01:04:07,800 --> 01:04:09,800
Speaker 2: Like I was an extra in the L word.

1256
01:04:10,520 --> 01:04:14,080
Speaker 3: You were giving dyke like it's giving dyke.

1257
01:04:14,480 --> 01:04:19,800
Speaker 2: No, I well I might, actually it must.

1258
01:04:20,160 --> 01:04:22,440
Speaker 4: What was were there? Was there like how many years

1259
01:04:22,480 --> 01:04:24,280
Speaker 4: were you a goth? Because goths are allowed?

1260
01:04:24,760 --> 01:04:27,040
Speaker 2: That was the middle. Okay, so this is the trajectory.

1261
01:04:27,120 --> 01:04:31,400
Speaker 2: Middle school was goth like mal goth topic, and then

1262
01:04:31,480 --> 01:04:35,200
Speaker 2: like yeah, and then like freshman year, freshman to sophomore

1263
01:04:35,240 --> 01:04:38,040
Speaker 2: year of high school. Then junior year was when I

1264
01:04:38,160 --> 01:04:42,600
Speaker 2: was like Abercrombie America Hollister, and then my last year

1265
01:04:42,600 --> 01:04:46,320
Speaker 2: of high school was like Indie like Converse r.

1266
01:04:48,720 --> 01:04:49,840
Speaker 3: Like Zoe era.

1267
01:04:50,040 --> 01:04:53,840
Speaker 4: Goths were definitely like you know, I was obsessed with them. Yes,

1268
01:04:53,920 --> 01:04:56,160
Speaker 4: they were like on the outskirts of society, but like

1269
01:04:56,200 --> 01:04:58,160
Speaker 4: you know, a mab goths were like allowed to be

1270
01:04:58,240 --> 01:04:59,000
Speaker 4: gay for something.

1271
01:04:59,400 --> 01:05:01,720
Speaker 3: Oh my god, they sucking and fucking. Yes.

1272
01:05:03,480 --> 01:05:06,840
Speaker 1: Yes, there was a click of guys in my high

1273
01:05:06,840 --> 01:05:08,640
Speaker 1: school that I was really obsessed with because they were

1274
01:05:08,680 --> 01:05:12,760
Speaker 1: all like rocker bisexuals and they all just like fucked

1275
01:05:12,800 --> 01:05:16,280
Speaker 1: each other. Then they had hot girlfriends. That's how do

1276
01:05:16,360 --> 01:05:16,920
Speaker 1: I tap in.

1277
01:05:17,040 --> 01:05:19,400
Speaker 3: I had to transition, That's what I knew.

1278
01:05:19,880 --> 01:05:21,560
Speaker 1: I was like, this world is not going to work

1279
01:05:21,600 --> 01:05:22,960
Speaker 1: out for me in this way because I have a

1280
01:05:23,000 --> 01:05:26,240
Speaker 1: little thing bubbling up in my mind called being transgender

1281
01:05:26,800 --> 01:05:29,000
Speaker 1: that I will not learn about until later.

1282
01:05:29,120 --> 01:05:31,480
Speaker 3: But I was so obsessed with them in high school.

1283
01:05:31,640 --> 01:05:35,840
Speaker 1: I was like giant tall tea covering up my whole

1284
01:05:35,880 --> 01:05:40,640
Speaker 1: body with like Bob Marley turning into a lion. That's

1285
01:05:40,680 --> 01:05:44,320
Speaker 1: what I would wear, and like jeans and chucks that

1286
01:05:44,400 --> 01:05:44,960
Speaker 1: was my.

1287
01:05:46,680 --> 01:05:47,960
Speaker 3: I was them.

1288
01:05:48,240 --> 01:05:51,040
Speaker 1: I was going to the store that was like the

1289
01:05:51,120 --> 01:05:57,480
Speaker 1: Native American store at the very suburban troupe, but I

1290
01:05:57,600 --> 01:06:01,160
Speaker 1: like was wearing the shirts that had like bowl on it.

1291
01:06:01,200 --> 01:06:04,080
Speaker 1: That's like Homeland Security, because.

1292
01:06:03,880 --> 01:06:05,880
Speaker 4: I was like the Mountain, Yeah, you were trying to

1293
01:06:05,920 --> 01:06:07,080
Speaker 4: you were pro indigenous.

1294
01:06:08,200 --> 01:06:10,320
Speaker 1: I was like, hello, I have a feeling I'm on

1295
01:06:10,400 --> 01:06:15,840
Speaker 1: stolen land right now. I'm gonna fucking do something about it, bitch.

1296
01:06:16,320 --> 01:06:17,400
Speaker 2: And what you were going to do?

1297
01:06:18,160 --> 01:06:23,400
Speaker 3: Sure? That was the original land acknowledgement. He wearing a

1298
01:06:23,560 --> 01:06:26,040
Speaker 3: shirt in high school was sitting bull on it. And

1299
01:06:26,080 --> 01:06:27,480
Speaker 3: I was still from urban outfitters.

1300
01:06:27,720 --> 01:06:30,560
Speaker 2: Obviously, Well that's you know powers to the people one.

1301
01:06:30,560 --> 01:06:32,520
Speaker 1: Hundred percent, and I would get caught and I would

1302
01:06:32,520 --> 01:06:34,000
Speaker 1: just run and catch the train.

1303
01:06:34,760 --> 01:06:36,280
Speaker 4: I've never I don't know if I did. I tell

1304
01:06:36,320 --> 01:06:37,880
Speaker 4: this in the pod last time. I got caught stealing

1305
01:06:37,880 --> 01:06:39,760
Speaker 4: from Urban Outfitters and I was like banned for like

1306
01:06:39,760 --> 01:06:40,240
Speaker 4: ten years.

1307
01:06:40,240 --> 01:06:41,960
Speaker 3: It's so traumagized. Did your parents find out?

1308
01:06:42,120 --> 01:06:42,440
Speaker 2: No?

1309
01:06:42,440 --> 01:06:45,520
Speaker 4: No, Because I was in college by that, no one

1310
01:06:45,520 --> 01:06:46,040
Speaker 4: would have to.

1311
01:06:46,520 --> 01:06:49,040
Speaker 3: I was stealing from a mayor pair in Urban Outfitters.

1312
01:06:49,240 --> 01:06:52,720
Speaker 2: I got caught stealing from Universal Studios and was banned

1313
01:06:53,080 --> 01:06:55,840
Speaker 2: for seven years. But then I transitioned. So what were

1314
01:06:55,880 --> 01:06:56,320
Speaker 2: they going to do?

1315
01:06:56,480 --> 01:06:56,640
Speaker 1: Yeah?

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01:06:56,960 --> 01:06:58,520
Speaker 2: Are they going to do? Good? Good luck?

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Speaker 3: Feeling car Potter day, I knew I looked in your eyes.

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Speaker 2: And she tried. I knew that J k Rawlling was

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Speaker 2: a turf and before she came out and I was

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Speaker 2: rec I was not going to give her my money.

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Speaker 3: How did a wand? This feels like really easy to steal,

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Speaker 3: no offense, it's.

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Speaker 2: A big box. But it was a big box and

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Speaker 2: I had to get the wand down and then I

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Speaker 2: stuck it up the sleeve of my shirt. I actually, like,

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Speaker 2: I think in a mall, I would have gotten away

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Speaker 2: with it, but universal like they there shoppers.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, were you Harry Potter? I was, yes, and you

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Speaker 1: obviously I was waiting.

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Speaker 2: At I have a deathly hallows tattoos down. I do

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Speaker 2: not know. I did fill it in before she even

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Speaker 2: came out as a turf, because I was like, something

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Speaker 2: smells you.

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Speaker 1: Your intuition was telling you something was going to go awry.

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Speaker 2: I knew you, fucking I knew without I knew with

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Speaker 2: my chemically straightened hair, you.

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Speaker 1: Got a whiff of something. No, I wasn't Harry Potter.

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Speaker 3: I don't know.

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Speaker 5: I don't know.

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Speaker 3: Oh.

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Speaker 1: What I was reading in high school and middle school

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Speaker 1: were those books called like crank Do you know what

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Speaker 1: I'm talking about? Okay, where it's like these really big

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Speaker 1: books and then the cover all about like a different drug,

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Speaker 1: different vice ruining a woman's life.

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Speaker 3: And I only I just read those.

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Speaker 4: It was in the kind of go ask alice and

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Speaker 4: cut genre.

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Speaker 1: Precisely hair called my book would have been called like weed.

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Speaker 1: My book would have been called like weed, and it

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Speaker 1: would have been like a five hundred page book about

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Speaker 1: me like really wanting to dread my hair, but knowing

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Speaker 1: that I wasn't allowed to do that.

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Speaker 3: And like surrendering to that truth and.

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Speaker 1: Like smoking weed out of apples and trying to convince

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Speaker 1: boys to kiss me.

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Speaker 4: My book would have been called dog Ketamine from Mexico City. Yeah,

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Speaker 4: what would your what would your book be called?

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Speaker 2: Book? Would have my bo would be called like my

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Speaker 2: mom's credit card.

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Speaker 3: Would have been called.

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