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Speaker 1: You know that means we got a lot to talk about.
Speaker 1: We got aw Dynamite last night, which opened with a
Speaker 1: fifty nine minute and fifty nine second match between MJF
Speaker 1: and We'll Ospray for the International title, which had a
Speaker 1: surprising finish to me tell you that much. I'll tell
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Speaker 1: we got all of the other news SmackDown tomorrow, Rampage Tomorrow,
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Speaker 1: I actually am gonna be going to a show this
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Speaker 1: all of the news tonight is the Republican National Convention
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Speaker 1: is going to speak, so we're gonna tell you about that,
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Speaker 1: and also Lance Storm. So we got a lot to
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Speaker 2: You are listening to Wrestling Observer Live with Brian Alvarez
Speaker 2: and Mike simper Vivi on the Sports Byline Broadcasting Network.
Speaker 1: The show brain Elver is here Wrestling Observer Live. Well
Speaker 1: today we got Mike.
Speaker 3: I'm here.
Speaker 1: We don't have a lance yet, not quite yet, but
Speaker 1: we're working on it, and uh, you know what, if
Speaker 1: it don't work, worst case scenario, I'm just gonna call
Speaker 1: him on the phone because he's got a lot of
Speaker 1: he wants to talk about.
Speaker 2: Hmm.
Speaker 1: Sure does good, especially that Dynamite show. He watched it.
Speaker 3: It's a pretty good show.
Speaker 1: Yeah, he still says, no audio. Well, now he's not connected, brother.
Speaker 3: Live radio everybody.
Speaker 1: Yeah, this is so hard. I'll tell him now you're
Speaker 1: not connected. So anyway, you're Hulk Hogan's speaking to the
Speaker 1: republic National Convention tonight.
Speaker 3: The Republican National Convention. Yes, I did hear that. I
Speaker 3: did hear that. I hope the Washington Post has got
Speaker 3: some extra help tonight. He is going to be I
Speaker 3: would assume working in overdrive. If it comes to how
Speaker 3: Hulk Hogan has been, you know, he's wrestled, Brian. I
Speaker 3: don't know if you know this or not. He wrestled
Speaker 3: four hundred and fifty five times in one year. Because
Speaker 3: he kept going.
Speaker 1: Oh, that's ridiculous, zones, don't be preposterous. Why is this news,
Speaker 1: says lasting. Well, because it's a wrestling show, and one
Speaker 1: of the most famous wrestlers of all time is in
Speaker 1: fact speaking at the Republican National Convention today. So that
Speaker 1: is in fact news.
Speaker 3: And it is a wrestling show, and it is a
Speaker 3: wrestling show. Lance, what's going on there?
Speaker 8: I am here?
Speaker 1: Fine, Finally it worked these stupid computers.
Speaker 8: And the nominee at the RNC is in fact a
Speaker 8: WB Hall of Famer.
Speaker 1: That's true. Yeah, although they don't mention that at all anymore.
Speaker 1: As soon as as soon as he got elected the
Speaker 1: first time, they stopped mentioning that altogether. They never mention it.
Speaker 1: It's top secret now. Although they don't like pull anybody
Speaker 1: out of the Hall of Fame. It's like, once you're
Speaker 1: in it, it's like cement, you cannot be pulled out
Speaker 1: for any reason whatsoever. So anyway, we'll see what Hogan
Speaker 1: says tonight. We'll see if he comes out to real American.
Speaker 3: Oh yeah you will.
Speaker 8: We'll see guarantee the what's the over under on the
Speaker 8: brother count?
Speaker 1: You're hold on a second, You're guaranteeing he's coming out
Speaker 1: to a real American.
Speaker 3: Yes, because that I don't why would you do it?
Speaker 3: I can't see him coming out. What was his band,
Speaker 3: the Hulk Hogan Boot Band, and he had the WCW
Speaker 3: music No way is it American made? He is coming
Speaker 3: out to real American. They are going to license it
Speaker 3: from whoever has got the rights to do that type
Speaker 3: of licensing and pimp that thing out there. You hear
Speaker 3: it everywhere. Why would you not hear it tonight? I
Speaker 3: bet you Trump would want to have that as his
Speaker 3: theme music going throughout the entire Now. I don't know
Speaker 3: if he'll be able to do that, but I guarantee
Speaker 3: you he would love to have that.
Speaker 1: Well, I will make you a five dollars bet he
Speaker 1: does not come out to real American. All right, I'll
Speaker 1: make a five dollars bet, and we'll see what happens tomorrow.
Speaker 3: I've heard you're a bet walcher.
Speaker 1: Now you're a post had his story and they said
Speaker 1: that it was not immediately clear what Hogan would be
Speaker 1: speaking about. Hmmm, huh. I think he'll be talking about
Speaker 1: Mania three and how he slammed under the Giant for it.
Speaker 8: No, he'll talk about Mania five because he won the
Speaker 8: belt in a Trump building.
Speaker 1: That's true. Yeah, that's true. That's true. All right, brother,
Speaker 1: A lot so Lance before we get going, you wanted
Speaker 1: to talk a little bit about the trademark situation.
Speaker 8: Yes, Oh, well, yeah, you had mentioned that w B
Speaker 8: had trademarked Ethan Page's name despite him using it elsewhere,
Speaker 8: and you know, Dave was talking about how this was
Speaker 8: somehow new. I don't know when they started, but I
Speaker 8: know in two thousand and four, and I believe the
Speaker 8: idea was the video game and the merchandising people realized
Speaker 8: that ww didn't actually own the trademark on many of
Speaker 8: the names they were merchandising, and I got what I
Speaker 8: would consider a panic response from the office that they
Speaker 8: needed to trademark my name right away and emphasize that
Speaker 8: I would still contain ownership of it, and it's in
Speaker 8: my contract that I own lance Storm, so much so
Speaker 8: that they actually fed exed the paperwork to Edges wedding
Speaker 8: because I told them, it's like, I can't sign it.
Speaker 8: I'm not home. I'm in Tampa at Edge's wedding, and
Speaker 8: they fed exed it, I think, to Christian's house and
Speaker 8: when I read it, I'm like, it was two thousand
Speaker 8: and four, and I'm like, I'm not on the roster anymore.
Speaker 8: If you managed to market and merchandise lance Storm for
Speaker 8: three and a half years while I was in the
Speaker 8: company without trademarking. You don't need to trademark it now,
Speaker 8: lance Storm doesn't exist. I'm a trainer, leave me alone,
Speaker 8: And I believe they trademarked it anyway.
Speaker 1: Well did you get money for it?
Speaker 3: Well, they haven't.
Speaker 8: Merchandised it since IC see. Well but they were doing
Speaker 8: it back twenty years ago.
Speaker 9: Wow.
Speaker 1: Well yeah, that's like, I mean, he'll get his name
Speaker 1: back when all is said and done, unless he's there forever.
Speaker 1: I mean, who knows.
Speaker 3: So Hey, look, I get it if you want to
Speaker 3: recreate yourself as some sort of character that you're going
Speaker 3: to work on with WWE, and I can understand it.
Speaker 3: If WWE's got something like the Undertaker that they bestow
Speaker 3: upon you, that's great. But it just seems like, in
Speaker 3: twenty twenty four, in many ways, we should be past
Speaker 3: that because there is only one other company in aw
Speaker 3: and there is value in someone else's persona and name,
Speaker 3: so to let them carry that as long as it's
Speaker 3: not a one hundred percent creation from the company itself,
Speaker 3: and it's ethan page all ego to me, you go
Speaker 3: ahead and do that, because what value would he have?
Speaker 3: In my opinion? And this is no offense to him, No, slants,
Speaker 3: you know, slandering of his talent, but he's a deal
Speaker 3: because that's who he is, Ricky Starks. If he were
Speaker 3: to leave AEW, he would be Ricky Starks in WWE
Speaker 3: or NXT. That to me is value to me and
Speaker 3: this day and age, it's crazy not to do that. Well,
Speaker 3: they could do.
Speaker 8: What they've done in the past, like they did with
Speaker 8: Harry Van Eric the Texas Tornado. They brought him in,
Speaker 8: initially used Harry von Eric. They did with Paul White too,
Speaker 8: used his real name for the value of whatever that
Speaker 8: amounted to, but over time dropped what they didn't own
Speaker 8: and just built the Texas Tornado and the Giant because
Speaker 8: they didn't want to build equity in something they didn't own.
Speaker 3: And mister Perfect I guess too as well, even though
Speaker 3: that gimmick was you know, was a great one, but
Speaker 3: he was mister perfect Kurt Hennig and then that did disappear.
Speaker 1: It's just interesting because nowadays, you know, they bring in
Speaker 1: they like jul Is coming in as Julia, they talked
Speaker 1: about her on NXT by that name, and Stephanie Mcare's
Speaker 1: coming in as Stephanie Vicaire. They talked about her on NXT,
Speaker 1: and you know Gable Steveson, he was in his Gable Steveson.
Speaker 1: But then you've got other you know, Olympians that are
Speaker 1: coming in with fake names to this day still, so
Speaker 1: I don't know what you know everyone's it's like case
Speaker 1: my case basis with.
Speaker 8: People like Julia and Stephanie Vicaire. It's like there was
Speaker 8: a bidding war for these people, so it would be
Speaker 8: in their best interest to tell w B. It's like, well,
Speaker 8: aw will allow me to keep my name and build
Speaker 8: that that's a big plus. Will you match it? And
Speaker 8: if you have the leverage to do it, you'd be
Speaker 8: crazy not to. It's like, keep your name, build your
Speaker 8: name so that you have that leverage. And if you're
Speaker 8: just you know, Joe Schmoe looking for a developmental deal,
Speaker 8: you don't have that leverage.
Speaker 3: And granted this was under Vince, but they did change
Speaker 3: EO Sharai's name. She was Sharai in NXT, was she not?
Speaker 3: Before she became EO Sky And when she got called.
Speaker 1: Well, it was weird because a lot of people would
Speaker 1: debut in NXT and on their very first day they
Speaker 1: would be announced by whatever their name was. EO Sharai
Speaker 1: but then as they made their entrance, a new name
Speaker 1: would appear on the screen and that would be their
Speaker 1: name from that point forward.
Speaker 3: Well that's what happened with Kenta, right.
Speaker 1: Well a lot of people actually, yeah, that was weird.
Speaker 1: It's like we got Eyo Sharai. Here's Eo Sharai. And
Speaker 1: then as she came, it was like Surrey when she
Speaker 1: went through that magic portal, her name magically changed and
Speaker 1: they never used the the old name again. All Right,
Speaker 1: we're not going to talk about the I'm gonna talk
Speaker 1: about Dynamite yet. We'll do that after the break because
Speaker 1: I know Lance got a lot to say. But NXT
Speaker 1: on Tuesday should mention six and ten thousand and a
Speaker 1: point to zero. And again, this was head to head
Speaker 1: with the MLB All Star Game, and I even know,
Speaker 1: you know people in WWE, they were like, whatever Monday
Speaker 1: and Tuesday do, it doesn't matter. It's it's the you know,
Speaker 1: MLB All Star Game is gonna destroy him. But actually
Speaker 1: it didn't. Raw was down a little bit and NXT
Speaker 1: was down a little bit, but realistically they both held
Speaker 1: up really well going up against the Actually I think
Speaker 1: it was a home run derby on Monday in the
Speaker 1: All Star Game on Tuesday. But I mean they both
Speaker 1: did fine. They were down a little bit, but it
Speaker 1: was no you know, disaster or anything.
Speaker 3: When it comes to baseball and hockey, if your product
Speaker 3: is good, the postseason will affect it, and things like
Speaker 3: this will affect it, but not as bad as you think.
Speaker 3: If you're good, your fans usually stay with you all right.
Speaker 1: Back in a moment with more Observer Live.
Speaker 2: You are listening to Wrestling Observer Live with Brian Alvarez
Speaker 2: and Mike SIMPERVV on the Sports Byline Broadcasting Network.
Speaker 1: Begging the show. Brian Albarez here Wrestling Observer Alive, Mike
Speaker 1: semper vv, also of Wrestling Observer dot Com, and Lance
Speaker 1: you watched that Dynamite show last night? I did, and
Speaker 1: uh it opened up with will Ospray and MGFF for
Speaker 1: the international title, and going in I thought, well, you know,
Speaker 1: MGF is gonna win this title. They're gonna go to Wembley,
Speaker 1: They're gonna rematch Will Osprey is gonna beat MJF. Maybe
Speaker 1: even when Daniel Garcia returns and screws MGF. I don't
Speaker 1: know if that's gonna happen there or not. And they
Speaker 1: can do MGF and Daniel Garcia all out two weeks later.
Speaker 1: But anyway, the point is I always watched the West
Speaker 1: Coast feed, and so nearly everything is always spoiled for
Speaker 1: me by the time I watched the show. By this time,
Speaker 1: what was spoiled for me was that they went in
Speaker 1: hower and so I started watching this match. I'm watching
Speaker 1: the entire match thing, and they're going to a one
Speaker 1: hour draw, and so I was astounded when with two
Speaker 1: seconds left, MGF won the title. So they got me,
Speaker 1: even though I thought I knew what happened. But I
Speaker 1: thought this was an exceptional match, Lance, What did you think?
Speaker 8: I thought it was really good too, although I had
Speaker 8: to watch it in a couple of sittings because I
Speaker 8: have a life in the evening and dogs to attend
Speaker 8: to two, so I can't sit still for a whole
Speaker 8: hour to get through a match. I thought it was
Speaker 8: really good. The exception that I took was listening to
Speaker 8: you and Dave this morning with your you know, they
Speaker 8: didn't wrestle like it was going to be a long match,
Speaker 8: and I'm like, well, MJF like rolled out of the
Speaker 8: ring and started playing the crowd for it even start
Speaker 8: it was reminiscent of when I broke in, where we would,
Speaker 8: you know, challenge each other, see how long we could
Speaker 8: go before you tied up.
Speaker 1: But well, yeah, but I mean I will. I will
Speaker 1: defend it in one way, and that is that if
Speaker 1: you watch any MJF match, he always does that at
Speaker 1: the beating of the match, even if he's going ten minutes,
Speaker 1: he's got the spot where.
Speaker 8: You know, the stall for dynamite is usually hit action
Speaker 8: right away. And so I knew they were going along.
Speaker 8: And again not a criticism, it's like they went longer
Speaker 8: than I would have been able to suck it up
Speaker 8: and go through. And it was really good what I saw.
Speaker 8: I think I saw it all again. I saw it
Speaker 8: in a couple of sittings, but it was really good.
Speaker 8: There was one spot, because I am a cy brain
Speaker 8: logic guy, that drove me crazy. There was the one
Speaker 8: spot on the floor where MGF went screw this, threw
Speaker 8: his hands up and hoped the railing and started to leave.
Speaker 8: I'm like, will just let him. He doesn't want the title,
Speaker 8: screw them. Why would you prevent someone from quitting and
Speaker 8: retain your title. I just it doesn't make sense for
Speaker 8: the challenger to go. Yeah, I'm done, I want to leave.
Speaker 8: So just a small logic thing that drove me crazy.
Speaker 8: But they worked hard and it was quite good. I'm
Speaker 8: certainly not lighting their work or the quality of the
Speaker 8: match anyway.
Speaker 1: What did you think, Mike?
Speaker 3: I thought it was great. You know. One of the things,
Speaker 3: like Lan said, you know, one of the things I
Speaker 3: liked was Osprey was the one who got the table,
Speaker 3: because if he got disqualified, I mean sure people would
Speaker 3: be disappointed, but he's the champion. He would still go
Speaker 3: home with the belt. So I like how they did that.
Speaker 3: It could have been you know, I get people out there,
Speaker 3: it could have been shorter. Yeah, it could have been shorter,
Speaker 3: but that wasn't the story they were telling. The clock
Speaker 3: was the fourth person in the ring, and they wanted
Speaker 3: to tell this story with them going neck and neck
Speaker 3: all the way up until the end. And people were
Speaker 3: stunned when Bryce Rensisberg hit three and MJF was the champion.
Speaker 3: And I thought, as far as this day and age goes,
Speaker 3: that was as close to Flare and Steamboat going sixty
Speaker 3: minutes as you can get with Flair. As the twenty
Speaker 3: twenty four Rick Flair and will Osbury doing these crazy
Speaker 3: athletic things. For the entire time. I thought it really
Speaker 3: was great. And I don't know, you know, they're gonna
Speaker 3: obviously have a rematch at some point down the line.
Speaker 3: I don't know if you want to do MJF and Pack,
Speaker 3: you know, I don't know if that's the type of
Speaker 3: match you want to do a Wembley, but you're gonna
Speaker 3: have a stack card.
Speaker 1: M JF and Pack. They're not doing that at Wembley,
Speaker 1: and Jeff and.
Speaker 3: Osprey, well do that well, and then we'll look at Pack.
Speaker 1: I'll get a shot, I'm sure between now and then.
Speaker 3: Well you have. But the thing is you have all
Speaker 3: in or all out two weeks later, So you could
Speaker 3: there's ways you could do it if you wanted to
Speaker 3: showcase and have Pack, you know, again, have a big
Speaker 3: match in his home country. You could do that if
Speaker 3: you wanted to, and then save it for the next
Speaker 3: pay per view only two weeks later. So to me,
Speaker 3: it was just I thought it was great and I
Speaker 3: thought it was again a real a real surprise and
Speaker 3: a real treat. How they have, what the pacing was
Speaker 3: throughout the whole thing. I thought it Both of them
Speaker 3: I thought were fantastic.
Speaker 1: I'll put another five dollars mic on will Os Ram
Speaker 1: Jeff at all in.
Speaker 8: I think it's also incredible that MJF to do the hour.
Speaker 8: Not that it, but this dude does not wrestle very often.
Speaker 8: How many matches he had and he went in there
Speaker 8: and put in an hour. That's impressive as all get out.
Speaker 3: I'll tell you well, he's done it with Danielson before.
Speaker 3: He had that Ironman match with him that went into
Speaker 3: overtime that was really good. But this was, you know,
Speaker 3: a different type of match and certainly a different type
Speaker 3: of opponent. I think, you know, one of the things
Speaker 3: I wish the announcers would have done, though, is because
Speaker 3: MJF missed so much time with the hip injury, when
Speaker 3: he did actually go through the table and land, they
Speaker 3: were so worried about talking about Osprey that it's like,
Speaker 3: you know, MJF did damage to himself as well too
Speaker 3: with this, and they didn't call that back, which I
Speaker 3: was a little surprised about.
Speaker 1: I thought the most amazing thing was that the fans
Speaker 1: were more furious that MGF won with two seconds left
Speaker 1: than if we'd had a draw. And I've had people say, well,
Speaker 1: you know they would have they would have cheered for
Speaker 1: a draw or whatever. It's like, no, they wouldn't have.
Speaker 1: We had that was that? What's that match was? It
Speaker 1: didn't didn't Bang Bang Gang and FTR go to a draw?
Speaker 1: I think it was there have been a couple of
Speaker 1: of of draws and people don't like the draw. They
Speaker 1: want to finish, and they got to finished with two
Speaker 1: seconds left, but because of who it was winning, they
Speaker 1: were furious, like.
Speaker 8: Wow, Well, I think this ties in well to my
Speaker 8: other issue with Dave's review of things, the Mercedes Money
Speaker 8: Britt Bakery segment where Dave was talking about, oh, then
Speaker 8: you know when when you know how to execute it,
Speaker 8: you know, these simple angles work. It's like no, when
Speaker 8: you have a over babyface and a heel with heat,
Speaker 8: simple angles work. And I'm tired of him talking about, oh,
Speaker 8: you know, baby faces and heels are trans positional and
Speaker 8: they it's like no, when you have a baby face.
Speaker 8: They love will Ospray, Britt Baker and a heal, the
Speaker 8: audience despises MJF. Mercedes Money. Simple stuff works. Everyone wants
Speaker 8: will Osprey to win, everybody wants Britt Baker to win,
Speaker 8: and it makes simple things work transitional heels and babyfaces
Speaker 8: that are just oh, you know, circumstantial. Whatever it works,
Speaker 8: it's like, yeah, you can get away with it, but
Speaker 8: it's not ideal and it doesn't work the best.
Speaker 10: Well.
Speaker 1: It's also when people are confused about who's what it's,
Speaker 1: you have to do a lot more complicated things to
Speaker 1: make them understand. Whereas when we already know, okay, who
Speaker 1: do we hate, who do we like, you don't have
Speaker 1: to do anything. I mean literally, Britt was in the
Speaker 1: audience in a sting mask. She attacked Mercedes and Mercedes
Speaker 1: ran away. That's it, That's all you had to do.
Speaker 1: And last week the angle they did was all so simple.
Speaker 1: It's like, you know, put the baby face, have them
Speaker 1: chase the heel away, don't touch and that's it. Now
Speaker 1: they have to keep this up for another what is
Speaker 1: it five weeks of not touching but still doing angles,
Speaker 1: and I guess you don't have to do something on
Speaker 1: every single show, But so far it's like, it's perfect,
Speaker 1: it's easy. What else do we have on the show.
Speaker 1: We had TV time with Chris Jericho to set up
Speaker 1: in nor Suzuki facing Jericho next week with the Learning
Speaker 1: Tree banned from ringside. It is an FTW title match,
Speaker 1: So I wonder if that means we'll get a new
Speaker 1: member of the Learning Tree because I don't know if
Speaker 1: Jericho is going to beat the guy clean, but I
Speaker 1: guess we shall see.
Speaker 8: Yeah, because they did specifically say the two people were banned,
Speaker 8: So yes, a new branch.
Speaker 1: Who's the new branch? No Night of My Kid?
Speaker 3: No, hmm, I.
Speaker 1: Don't think we need a heal that small?
Speaker 2: No.
Speaker 3: Oh, with Brian Keith already serving in that role.
Speaker 1: Who could be the new who could be the new branch?
Speaker 3: Somebody that's already there who they're not using.
Speaker 1: People in the chat think it's going to be Sammy.
Speaker 3: That actually would make a lot of sense, and it
Speaker 3: would bring him back. It would be a big deal,
Speaker 3: you know, be real over the top with it. That
Speaker 3: would be a really good idea. Actually, he's been one
Speaker 3: of the guys that has really benefited from a relationship
Speaker 3: with Jericho. In my opinion, on screen, it's still to
Speaker 3: be told with Bill and certainly with Brian Keith. I know, Brian,
Speaker 3: you love it, but you know things are still to
Speaker 3: be seen there. But Jericho's best partner throughout the entire time,
Speaker 3: AW has been in existence, has been Sammy and that
Speaker 3: would be perfect.
Speaker 1: You know. The other thing that man, oh man, that
Speaker 1: that uh that segment with I guess it was Mariah
Speaker 1: coming at his times Tony Man. These fans, they just
Speaker 1: got her the what treatment? This was like her big
Speaker 1: after all that time. This was her big promo after
Speaker 1: turning on Tony Storm, and everyone just chanted what And
Speaker 1: she gave her speech and there was a brief we
Speaker 1: want Tony chant and then you know, the fans, another
Speaker 1: half of the fans were like, no, we don't. I
Speaker 1: was like, man, that was not the reaction I expected
Speaker 1: for this big, this big first speech after laying out
Speaker 1: Tony Storm.
Speaker 8: How long do you think it took most of the
Speaker 8: people sitting in the stands to realize it was actually Mariah.
Speaker 1: May I think a long time. They did an exceptional job,
Speaker 1: you know, making her up to look like and if
Speaker 1: you're watching at home, you know they also hated the
Speaker 1: black and white, so it was even better. And then
Speaker 1: everyone's talking about Tony Shavanni's line where she's just standing
Speaker 1: there not saying anything, and Tony Shavanni was like sixty something,
Speaker 1: he goes, well speak be come on now, because ipt
Speaker 1: he actually said the word, and I mean, I don't
Speaker 1: mean to laugh, but like, this was one of those
Speaker 1: moments where the other announcers were caught completely off guard,
Speaker 1: and it was both Taznik's caliber were like, oh god,
Speaker 1: Tony Chi. They were appalled, absolutely appalled and like totally
Speaker 1: out of character. They were just like shocked and couldn't
Speaker 1: believe their ears. Yeah, it was like, oh my god,
Speaker 1: that was a line back in a moment it was
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Speaker 2: You were listening to Wrestling Observer Live with Brian Alvarez
Speaker 2: and Mike semperviv on the Sports Byline Broadcasting Network.
Speaker 1: Lance, I hear it's a special anniversary today, Is that right?
Speaker 8: Yes, it's I guess twenty three years ago today I
Speaker 8: won the US Title Tournament defeating Mike Gossible, Buff Bagwell,
Speaker 8: Shane Douglas and Mike Awesome in the finals.
Speaker 1: Yes, I have what history and I am there are
Speaker 1: these things at the top of my head. Yeah, well,
Speaker 1: congratulations Lance on being a was a former champion of
Speaker 1: this country.
Speaker 8: That was a busy night.
Speaker 1: Could you speak of the RNC tonight, by the way,
Speaker 1: as a former US champion?
Speaker 8: I don't think so. No, I'll take a hard pass
Speaker 8: on that one.
Speaker 1: Okay, No, because.
Speaker 3: There's footage there of him being a trader and then
Speaker 3: turning it into the Canadian Heavyweight championship.
Speaker 1: That shouldn't disqualify him. If you want Texas here today,
Speaker 1: four two five seven eight zero seven five sixty six
Speaker 1: is the phone number. We're gonna take some text message questions.
Speaker 1: Four two five seven eight zero seven five sixty six
Speaker 1: questions for me Lance. Mike can also email me at
Speaker 1: for w one line at gmail dot com. You can
Speaker 1: also follow me on old x at Brian Alvarez and
Speaker 1: you can subscribe as well. It can be one of
Speaker 1: my Twitter followers. I only communicate with my Twitter subscribers.
Speaker 1: I've given up on the rest of you. No offense,
Speaker 1: but uh was wasting my time energy. No offense I
Speaker 1: mean offense to about ninety eight percent of the people
Speaker 1: that follow me for free on Twitter. I mean no
Speaker 1: offense to anybody who pays. Sounds horrible, like I will
Speaker 1: only talk to you on Twitter if you pay me.
Speaker 1: But for those people that are actually paying, it's like
Speaker 1: this is totally worth it. Like we have real conversations
Speaker 1: and talk to each other and connect and pictures and
Speaker 1: news and it's a it's a you gotta pay to
Speaker 1: get into a club, right huh uh So yeah, it's
Speaker 1: just us. It's a small fee for civility, that's it.
Speaker 3: So anyway, I'm trying to think of a takeoff of
Speaker 3: Club Shashe for you, but I can't think of any.
Speaker 1: And we had Ocott and Swerve Champion versus Champion, which
Speaker 1: was exactly exactly what I thought would happen, a nothing match,
Speaker 1: and eng when people ran in and then everybody involved
Speaker 1: in blood and guts brawls, and that's what happened. This
Speaker 1: o'cot is making his money. Brother, He's just making his money.
Speaker 3: He's he money.
Speaker 1: Yeah, speaking of man, he's into money too.
Speaker 3: Monday, somebody said on Twitter, it's like they've turned him
Speaker 3: into long Duck Dong from those old eighties movies with
Speaker 3: Molly Ringwold and whatnot. But he's had this is what
Speaker 3: he wants to do. Remember was the guy that lost
Speaker 3: his mind at one point in New Japan because he
Speaker 3: was so depressed that he lost the IWGP title that
Speaker 3: he was carrying around balloons and had his long trunks
Speaker 3: on and was out there. So Okata has got a
Speaker 3: goofy side and he he's getting paid a lot right
Speaker 3: now to do that and not killing his body. So
Speaker 3: there you go. Look and the fans are responding to him.
Speaker 3: That's also the bottom line of this is aw fans
Speaker 3: have not lost anything seemingly when it comes to Okada.
Speaker 3: They absolutely love every time he's on screen.
Speaker 1: Well, I think the question we got to ask is, uh,
Speaker 1: how little is he going to do in blood and guts?
Speaker 1: You know what I mean?
Speaker 8: Well, I think more than that, the important thing is
Speaker 8: and this is really important? Is he willing to and
Speaker 8: I believe he will be willing to pull the trigger
Speaker 8: and really go when the time comes, because if he
Speaker 8: hasn't got a major top program currently, this is good
Speaker 8: use for him and save the blow the doors off
Speaker 8: the place and really shock people when there is an
Speaker 8: important singles program.
Speaker 1: Well, we're gonna find out. I got people saying he's
Speaker 1: gonna go all out next week, and I'll bet he doesn't.
Speaker 1: It's a multi person, man, what's the point Like there's
Speaker 1: there's plenty, I mean, just like good let Darby go
Speaker 1: all out. You know he's gonna so.
Speaker 3: Uh. I wonder how long it takes before they get
Speaker 3: to Okada and Hangman because remember their interaction last week
Speaker 3: when Hangman was banging on the door and got in
Speaker 3: Okada's face. Maybe he doesn't like new friend and that
Speaker 3: could be something down the line as well too, when
Speaker 3: it's time to either flip page back or make Okada
Speaker 3: really go all out with him as a baby face.
Speaker 1: I can't believe I'm gonna read this text, but this
Speaker 1: person says Hogan is only speaking because here Trump might
Speaker 1: run against Kamala.
Speaker 8: Let me tell you something, brother, I've faced Kamala before.
Speaker 1: Every single one of these text messages has to do
Speaker 1: with Hogan. Apparently, Hogan will be speaking at the RNC tonight.
Speaker 1: I wonder if he'll claim he single handedly ended Desert
Speaker 1: Storm when he beats Slaughter at WrestleMania. Seven people seem
Speaker 1: to be in this uh this thing?
Speaker 3: Uh night instead?
Speaker 1: Yeah, what's going on with T and A to night?
Speaker 1: What's coming up this weekend?
Speaker 8: There is a tag team title match the I don't
Speaker 8: know if we can call them the Hardy Boys. I
Speaker 8: suppose I can hear, but not on our show.
Speaker 3: Uh.
Speaker 8: The brothers Jeff and Matt Hardy are challenging the system
Speaker 8: for the tag team titles.
Speaker 1: I mean, should you technically be able to call them
Speaker 1: the hard brothers because they are the Hardy Brothers.
Speaker 2: Yes?
Speaker 8: I think there's just the issues you you can't use
Speaker 8: Hearty boys, especially with the Z. I would imagine the
Speaker 8: Hardy Men or a Z for you American folk.
Speaker 3: So then this weekend the Z is different In Canada,
Speaker 3: it's a z Z yes, what like Hardy's X y
Speaker 3: Z is the pronunciation of the letters you.
Speaker 1: Know, not what are you doing? It is in Canada
Speaker 1: A B, C, D E F g h R S
Speaker 1: t U V wx y Z Yes.
Speaker 8: And in Canada in Montreal, sold out Slammiversary Saturday, where
Speaker 8: we've got the six way world title match, We've got
Speaker 8: PCO in a title match, Speedball, Mike Bailey, I believe,
Speaker 8: and it's gonna be a big show. Slamiversary is sold
Speaker 8: out and then we're taping again on Sunday. So if
Speaker 8: you can't get into Slamiversary, show up on Sunday.
Speaker 3: The concession stand. There's milk in a bag.
Speaker 8: Depends on what province you're in.
Speaker 3: Really, yes, it's a regional thing.
Speaker 8: Ontario you buy milk in a bag, but not in Alberta.
Speaker 8: What they sell it in bags You have a plastic
Speaker 8: jug that you put the bag in and you snip
Speaker 8: the tip off it. Milk is sold. It is sold
Speaker 8: in cartons as well, but in Alberta it's in plastic
Speaker 8: jugs a bladder.
Speaker 1: You're trying to sell me on going to Canada for
Speaker 1: this Slammiversary weekend with that news. I don't even know
Speaker 1: the proper alphabet. Are there any other letters that I'm
Speaker 1: saying wrong? As an American?
Speaker 3: I don't know, but you I have to speak French too.
Speaker 8: Yeah, there's a whole other language in Montreal. I don't
Speaker 8: think milk is your concern.
Speaker 3: Montreal night life might be.
Speaker 1: I like milk. Who would your dream wrestling match be
Speaker 1: between any era, any wrestler. I would love to see
Speaker 1: Abe Lincoln versus Nick Gage. Lincoln would saw that guy
Speaker 1: to pieces.
Speaker 8: What do you think, Lance, Well, if I'm going to
Speaker 8: pick a dream one, it's gonna be me versus someone
Speaker 8: I would I would take a prime Ricky Steamboat as
Speaker 8: a baby face against me as a heel, and I'd
Speaker 8: be a very happy man.
Speaker 3: Wow.
Speaker 1: Wow, that Ricky Steamboat wasn't too bad.
Speaker 8: He was a pretty gosh darn good baby.
Speaker 1: God that match. We were watching WWF Challenge and it was,
Speaker 1: oh god, who was it they was facing. I mean
Speaker 1: he'd been around like forever, dating back to you know,
Speaker 1: like the JWA. It was Tiger Chung Lee. They had
Speaker 1: a Tiger Chung League Ricky Steamboat match on Challenge, and
Speaker 1: I mean it was like it was just slightly above
Speaker 1: the level of being a squash match, but like they
Speaker 1: gave Tiger Chung Lee some stuff and it was a
Speaker 1: first match that Ricky Steamboat had had since he got
Speaker 1: hid in the neck throt the ring bell, the throat, which,
Speaker 1: by the way, still to this day, I'm so absolutely
Speaker 1: blown away. We went back to watch this okay in
Speaker 1: twenty twenty four, and it was the angle that got
Speaker 1: Vinnie into wrestling. It was the first thing he ever saw.
Speaker 1: That's why Vinnie is doing what he does today. Was
Speaker 1: that angle. Everybody remembers this angle and what does everybody
Speaker 1: remember about it? That they called it his larynx?
Speaker 3: Right?
Speaker 1: Everybody remembers about her. Yes, We went back and we
Speaker 1: watched every single show from the day they showed it
Speaker 1: on Challenge for six weeks afterwards, recapping it and everything.
Speaker 1: And during that entire time, every last single person said larynx,
Speaker 1: except literally there was like one It might have been
Speaker 1: gene Oakerland one time on one show, said Larynix. The
Speaker 1: entire rest of the time, I was like, did I
Speaker 1: grow up in like an alternate universe with everybody else?
Speaker 1: And now we're on some different timeline where that never happened.
Speaker 8: You remember, the Saturday Night main event is my bet
Speaker 8: and I'm guessing Vince, said Larynix on Saturday Night main Event,
Speaker 8: And that's the bigger show that everyone remembers. No one
Speaker 8: remembers challenge. They remember Saturday Night's main event.
Speaker 3: It might have been wrote it up in the magazines.
Speaker 3: I remember it being Larynix like, look, you know, but
Speaker 3: that's well.
Speaker 1: I don't think they would have written in a magazine.
Speaker 1: They would have spelled it, right, I think.
Speaker 3: I don't know, But that was one that I remember
Speaker 3: as well too, the whole angle and Bruno San Martino
Speaker 3: going after Savage in the locker room, which brought Bruno
Speaker 3: out of retirement for a little while though. Put some
Speaker 3: mustard on the hot dog, and then you know, Brune
Speaker 3: was after him. That's what he said, finished him off.
Speaker 1: Well, all I know is anyway to get to the point,
Speaker 1: it's Ricky Steamboat's return from the from the bell against
Speaker 1: Tiger Chung Lee. And first off, I mean they locked
Speaker 1: up and I could have watched on a loop for
Speaker 1: the rest of my life. It was the greatest lockup
Speaker 1: you've ever seen. And then they're doing this match and
Speaker 1: like Ricky's running wild. It's all great, and all of
Speaker 1: a sudden, bam, Tiger Chung Lee with the chop the
Speaker 1: knife edge to the throat, and all of a sudden
Speaker 1: was like and he can't breathe, and he's selling like
Speaker 1: he's gonna die because he got hit and then super
Speaker 1: kick to the throat and he's like he's practically dying
Speaker 1: in the ring, and I'm like, oh my god, Like
Speaker 1: this is a big fricking deal right here, his first match,
Speaker 1: he may be killed, and neither announcer Grill and Bobby.
Speaker 1: They're busy arguing about Hulk Hogan and Andre the Giant
Speaker 1: and the trophy, and they completely totally ignored that Ricky
Speaker 1: Steamboat is dying before their eyes. And then of course
Speaker 1: he makes a big comeback and he eats a high cross, okay,
Speaker 1: and not only does he hit a high cross off
Speaker 1: the top rope, that's like the finish is a high cross,
Speaker 1: but it is the easiest, lightest.
Speaker 3: He didn't even.
Speaker 1: Touch Tiger Chung Lee with this high cross. And I
Speaker 1: absolutely loved it. Loved this match almost as much as
Speaker 1: M Jeff and Osprey good frankly. But anyway, I don't
Speaker 1: know what the point was, Oh yeah, you wanted to
Speaker 1: wrestle him, Yes, I would have my match against Tiger
Speaker 1: Chung Lee. That's who I'd won my match to be against.
Speaker 1: And I'd be a babyface even though I hate it,
Speaker 1: all right, let's see what else we have here, any
Speaker 1: other text messages and or new This person here says,
Speaker 1: I can't remember the exact podcast you talked about it
Speaker 1: on recently, I can. It was Sunday you brought up
Speaker 1: how you would have a match where you, as a
Speaker 1: smaller guy, would be hitting sup plexes on people, and
Speaker 1: it felt right in the moment, but then you watch
Speaker 1: it back and saw how unrealistic it looked. Correct, I
Speaker 1: would be someone who would be five foot eight in wrestling.
Speaker 1: Boots always thought if I were to wrestle, I couldn't
Speaker 1: do any strength spots or suplexes, no matter how much
Speaker 1: I bulked up. But at least nowadays there are plenty
Speaker 1: of people in my height who do those spots and
Speaker 1: look great doing it. Is five eight not considered that
Speaker 1: small anymore? Or are these guys just that impressive?
Speaker 8: That's for you, Lance, Well, five eight isn't as small
Speaker 8: as it used to be because you go back and
Speaker 8: watch some of my stuff from you know, the year
Speaker 8: two thousand and it's like they were considering making me
Speaker 8: a cruiser weight while listing me at two hundred and
Speaker 8: thirty five pounds, so you know, but it's I used
Speaker 8: to enjoy different opponents so that I could have different
Speaker 8: kinds of matches. And I think sometimes too, when you're
Speaker 8: in the locker room with people all the time, you
Speaker 8: forget how big they are. Yes, I'm always amazed. Every
Speaker 8: time I would watch a match back with Big Show,
Speaker 8: I'm going, oh my god, he's gigantic. But when you
Speaker 8: know him as a friend and spend every day with
Speaker 8: him in the locker room, you forget how gigantic he
Speaker 8: is and how ridiculous it would be. If it's like, hey,
Speaker 8: I'll just pick up the Big Show, It's like no.
Speaker 1: I think the thing too is if you are a small,
Speaker 1: skinny guy and you're just like doing big guy stuff
Speaker 1: on other big guys, I think it's just like totally
Speaker 1: phony looking. But if you had like one guy who's
Speaker 1: gimmick was that he's small but he's so strong and
Speaker 1: he would fight for these big things, I think you
Speaker 1: could make that work. But you know, just going in
Speaker 1: there is a five ' five, one hundred and forty
Speaker 1: pound guy, power moving everybody. I just don't get it
Speaker 1: back in a moment, it was ever life.
Speaker 2: You are listening to Wrestling Observer Live with Brian Alvarez
Speaker 2: and Mike semperviv on the Sports Byline Broadcasting Network.
Speaker 1: In the show, Brian albaz Here Wrestling Observer Live first
Speaker 1: Here said, when the Young Bucks were backstage talking about
Speaker 1: blood and Guts and they announced quote their favorite Hangman
Speaker 1: will be on the team, Okada shot them a quick look.
Speaker 1: I like the build. They're sitting up between Ocot and Hangman.
Speaker 1: However that happens, that could be Wembley. That could be Wembley.
Speaker 3: I'd be for it.
Speaker 1: This person said, Tony's line was hilarious. My girlfriend fell
Speaker 1: on the floor laughing, and she loves Tony. Absolutely fits
Speaker 1: with his character. This being Shavani, he's doing that Jim
Speaker 1: Ross thing where he's old and grumpy.
Speaker 8: Now, it's a lot of Tony's in that company.
Speaker 3: A weird relationship with all the women he interviews. Anyway,
Speaker 3: Remember how Britt used to treating them for having's sakes.
Speaker 1: Yeah, but they became great friends. Now it's like Cannon
Speaker 1: canon that they're great friends. All Right, Well, it's noted Lance.
Speaker 1: You've got a big weekend coming up in Canada, Slammiversary Weekend.
Speaker 1: Let's get one more plug before we wrap it up
Speaker 1: here today.
Speaker 8: Yeah, Impact is tonight, Access TV in the States, Fight
Speaker 8: Networking Canada, and Yes, Slammiversary Live on pay per view
Speaker 8: also available through our app and other means that you
Speaker 8: usually watch. But Slammiversary Saturday is going to be a
Speaker 8: big night, sold out in Montreal.
Speaker 1: It's a main event.
Speaker 8: I would imagine it is the sixth Way World title match. Moose,
Speaker 8: Steve Macklin, Frankie Kazarian, Joe Hendry because we believe Josh
Speaker 8: Alexander and I'm missing Wow nickname it Wow Yeah, big
Speaker 8: big match.
Speaker 1: All right, Well, we're gonna wrap up everybody. That is it.
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