WEBVTT - 59 Min 59 Sec Match - AEW 0:00:00.360 --> 0:00:02.840 Hey, this is Brian Alvarez and this is today's edition 0:00:02.920 --> 0:00:06.720 of the Wrestling Observer Daily podcast on the eight Side Network. 0:00:12.560 --> 0:00:16.520 By from San Francisco. I'm a sports byline broadcasting network. 0:00:16.800 --> 0:00:20.000 You are listening to Wrestling Observer Live with your hosts 0:00:20.040 --> 0:00:22.360 Brian Alvarez and Mike sempervv. 0:00:23.520 --> 0:00:25.400 Are you ready? Are you ready? 0:00:25.880 --> 0:00:26.960 Let's get it off. 0:00:29.240 --> 0:00:33.080 How's it going everybody? Brian Alvarez, You're on Wrestling Observer Live. 0:00:33.240 --> 0:00:35.760 We are here every day Monday through Friday, New Pacific 0:00:35.760 --> 0:00:39.680 three Eastern Sunday three, Pacific six Eastern Saturday mornings with 0:00:39.720 --> 0:00:42.320 a Jim Valley ten and Pacific one Eastern Sundays with 0:00:42.400 --> 0:00:47.080 andrews Arian. And it is Thursday here on the show. 0:00:47.760 --> 0:00:50.400 You know that means we got a lot to talk about. 0:00:51.080 --> 0:00:56.360 We got aw Dynamite last night, which opened with a 0:00:56.560 --> 0:01:01.560 fifty nine minute and fifty nine second match between MJF 0:01:01.840 --> 0:01:05.720 and We'll Ospray for the International title, which had a 0:01:05.760 --> 0:01:10.160 surprising finish to me tell you that much. I'll tell 0:01:10.160 --> 0:01:12.480 you why later, but we'll tell you about that show 0:01:12.520 --> 0:01:17.240 as it leads to all In, And of course being Thursday, 0:01:18.120 --> 0:01:22.240 we got all of the other news SmackDown tomorrow, Rampage Tomorrow, 0:01:22.319 --> 0:01:27.039 Collision on Saturday, and really nothing else over the weekend. 0:01:27.720 --> 0:01:30.560 I actually am gonna be going to a show this 0:01:30.640 --> 0:01:34.919 weekend in Eatonville, Filthy Tom Lawler is on the show 0:01:35.440 --> 0:01:40.840 and Vinnie and I and Big Wood are gonna be 0:01:40.880 --> 0:01:43.480 going to this show. So I'll do a travelog for 0:01:43.600 --> 0:01:48.440 my Twitter subscribers if you want some pictures and video 0:01:48.440 --> 0:01:50.840 of that trip. But anyway, we'll talk about that and 0:01:50.920 --> 0:01:56.560 all of the news tonight is the Republican National Convention 0:01:57.000 --> 0:02:01.760 and Hulk Hogan he's going to be there and he 0:02:01.840 --> 0:02:04.480 is going to speak, so we're gonna tell you about that, 0:02:04.880 --> 0:02:07.880 as well as a bunch of news out of CMLL 0:02:08.400 --> 0:02:13.280 and aew. We've got the NXT ratings from Tuesday night. 0:02:13.280 --> 0:02:17.880 We got an opponent for Julius Creed coming up at 0:02:17.919 --> 0:02:20.639 blood Sport, and the lineup for the show thus far, 0:02:21.200 --> 0:02:25.240 and as always a lot of notes from the aw 0:02:25.400 --> 0:02:27.680 Dynamite show. Mike Simper vv is going to join us 0:02:28.240 --> 0:02:31.919 and also Lance Storm. 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Real guests 0:05:53.880 --> 0:05:55.480 paid for their testimonials. 0:06:01.960 --> 0:06:05.440 You are listening to Wrestling Observer Live with Brian Alvarez 0:06:05.480 --> 0:06:09.160 and Mike simper Vivi on the Sports Byline Broadcasting Network. 0:06:11.839 --> 0:06:14.760 The show brain Elver is here Wrestling Observer Live. Well 0:06:14.800 --> 0:06:15.680 today we got Mike. 0:06:16.360 --> 0:06:16.839 I'm here. 0:06:16.920 --> 0:06:19.680 We don't have a lance yet, not quite yet, but 0:06:19.720 --> 0:06:22.599 we're working on it, and uh, you know what, if 0:06:22.640 --> 0:06:24.520 it don't work, worst case scenario, I'm just gonna call 0:06:24.600 --> 0:06:27.080 him on the phone because he's got a lot of 0:06:27.080 --> 0:06:27.960 he wants to talk about. 0:06:28.480 --> 0:06:28.760 Hmm. 0:06:30.480 --> 0:06:35.679 Sure does good, especially that Dynamite show. He watched it. 0:06:35.680 --> 0:06:36.600 It's a pretty good show. 0:06:36.920 --> 0:06:41.400 Yeah, he still says, no audio. Well, now he's not connected, brother. 0:06:41.600 --> 0:06:42.880 Live radio everybody. 0:06:42.960 --> 0:06:47.120 Yeah, this is so hard. I'll tell him now you're 0:06:47.160 --> 0:06:51.000 not connected. So anyway, you're Hulk Hogan's speaking to the 0:06:51.040 --> 0:06:53.479 republic National Convention tonight. 0:06:53.480 --> 0:06:56.919 The Republican National Convention. Yes, I did hear that. I 0:06:57.000 --> 0:07:02.160 did hear that. I hope the Washington Post has got 0:07:02.200 --> 0:07:04.880 some extra help tonight. He is going to be I 0:07:04.920 --> 0:07:09.240 would assume working in overdrive. If it comes to how 0:07:09.320 --> 0:07:11.680 Hulk Hogan has been, you know, he's wrestled, Brian. I 0:07:11.680 --> 0:07:13.280 don't know if you know this or not. He wrestled 0:07:13.320 --> 0:07:15.680 four hundred and fifty five times in one year. Because 0:07:15.680 --> 0:07:16.560 he kept going. 0:07:16.520 --> 0:07:22.160 Oh, that's ridiculous, zones, don't be preposterous. Why is this news, 0:07:22.240 --> 0:07:26.400 says lasting. Well, because it's a wrestling show, and one 0:07:26.400 --> 0:07:28.640 of the most famous wrestlers of all time is in 0:07:28.640 --> 0:07:31.920 fact speaking at the Republican National Convention today. So that 0:07:32.080 --> 0:07:33.480 is in fact news. 0:07:33.360 --> 0:07:35.200 And it is a wrestling show, and it is a 0:07:35.240 --> 0:07:38.040 wrestling show. Lance, what's going on there? 0:07:38.600 --> 0:07:39.120 I am here? 0:07:39.200 --> 0:07:43.800 Fine, Finally it worked these stupid computers. 0:07:44.320 --> 0:07:46.760 And the nominee at the RNC is in fact a 0:07:46.840 --> 0:07:47.840 WB Hall of Famer. 0:07:47.920 --> 0:07:51.040 That's true. Yeah, although they don't mention that at all anymore. 0:07:51.720 --> 0:07:53.360 As soon as as soon as he got elected the 0:07:53.360 --> 0:07:56.360 first time, they stopped mentioning that altogether. They never mention it. 0:07:56.360 --> 0:07:59.440 It's top secret now. Although they don't like pull anybody 0:07:59.480 --> 0:08:01.560 out of the Hall of Fame. It's like, once you're 0:08:01.600 --> 0:08:03.960 in it, it's like cement, you cannot be pulled out 0:08:04.000 --> 0:08:07.360 for any reason whatsoever. So anyway, we'll see what Hogan 0:08:07.400 --> 0:08:10.080 says tonight. We'll see if he comes out to real American. 0:08:10.400 --> 0:08:11.160 Oh yeah you will. 0:08:11.760 --> 0:08:14.560 We'll see guarantee the what's the over under on the 0:08:14.600 --> 0:08:15.320 brother count? 0:08:15.480 --> 0:08:19.320 You're hold on a second, You're guaranteeing he's coming out 0:08:19.320 --> 0:08:20.560 to a real American. 0:08:20.440 --> 0:08:23.440 Yes, because that I don't why would you do it? 0:08:23.480 --> 0:08:25.240 I can't see him coming out. What was his band, 0:08:25.520 --> 0:08:28.480 the Hulk Hogan Boot Band, and he had the WCW 0:08:28.640 --> 0:08:32.080 music No way is it American made? He is coming 0:08:32.120 --> 0:08:34.680 out to real American. They are going to license it 0:08:34.720 --> 0:08:38.440 from whoever has got the rights to do that type 0:08:38.480 --> 0:08:40.920 of licensing and pimp that thing out there. You hear 0:08:40.960 --> 0:08:44.120 it everywhere. Why would you not hear it tonight? I 0:08:44.200 --> 0:08:46.040 bet you Trump would want to have that as his 0:08:46.240 --> 0:08:49.240 theme music going throughout the entire Now. I don't know 0:08:49.240 --> 0:08:51.360 if he'll be able to do that, but I guarantee 0:08:51.360 --> 0:08:52.880 you he would love to have that. 0:08:53.720 --> 0:08:55.880 Well, I will make you a five dollars bet he 0:08:55.920 --> 0:08:58.840 does not come out to real American. All right, I'll 0:08:58.840 --> 0:09:02.959 make a five dollars bet, and we'll see what happens tomorrow. 0:09:03.080 --> 0:09:05.000 I've heard you're a bet walcher. 0:09:05.000 --> 0:09:06.680 Now you're a post had his story and they said 0:09:06.679 --> 0:09:11.199 that it was not immediately clear what Hogan would be 0:09:11.280 --> 0:09:18.200 speaking about. Hmmm, huh. I think he'll be talking about 0:09:18.240 --> 0:09:20.439 Mania three and how he slammed under the Giant for it. 0:09:20.559 --> 0:09:22.800 No, he'll talk about Mania five because he won the 0:09:22.800 --> 0:09:24.040 belt in a Trump building. 0:09:24.200 --> 0:09:28.800 That's true. Yeah, that's true. That's true. All right, brother, 0:09:28.880 --> 0:09:31.880 A lot so Lance before we get going, you wanted 0:09:31.920 --> 0:09:35.480 to talk a little bit about the trademark situation. 0:09:35.800 --> 0:09:39.679 Yes, Oh, well, yeah, you had mentioned that w B 0:09:39.800 --> 0:09:43.319 had trademarked Ethan Page's name despite him using it elsewhere, 0:09:43.880 --> 0:09:46.320 and you know, Dave was talking about how this was 0:09:46.360 --> 0:09:50.240 somehow new. I don't know when they started, but I 0:09:50.240 --> 0:09:53.400 know in two thousand and four, and I believe the 0:09:53.440 --> 0:09:57.319 idea was the video game and the merchandising people realized 0:09:57.360 --> 0:10:00.680 that ww didn't actually own the trademark on many of 0:10:00.679 --> 0:10:04.720 the names they were merchandising, and I got what I 0:10:04.720 --> 0:10:08.880 would consider a panic response from the office that they 0:10:08.920 --> 0:10:12.480 needed to trademark my name right away and emphasize that 0:10:12.559 --> 0:10:15.200 I would still contain ownership of it, and it's in 0:10:15.240 --> 0:10:18.440 my contract that I own lance Storm, so much so 0:10:18.640 --> 0:10:23.199 that they actually fed exed the paperwork to Edges wedding 0:10:23.960 --> 0:10:25.840 because I told them, it's like, I can't sign it. 0:10:25.880 --> 0:10:28.720 I'm not home. I'm in Tampa at Edge's wedding, and 0:10:28.920 --> 0:10:32.400 they fed exed it, I think, to Christian's house and 0:10:32.440 --> 0:10:34.600 when I read it, I'm like, it was two thousand 0:10:34.600 --> 0:10:37.840 and four, and I'm like, I'm not on the roster anymore. 0:10:37.920 --> 0:10:42.079 If you managed to market and merchandise lance Storm for 0:10:42.160 --> 0:10:43.840 three and a half years while I was in the 0:10:43.880 --> 0:10:47.559 company without trademarking. You don't need to trademark it now, 0:10:47.679 --> 0:10:50.560 lance Storm doesn't exist. I'm a trainer, leave me alone, 0:10:51.480 --> 0:10:53.640 And I believe they trademarked it anyway. 0:10:56.240 --> 0:10:57.480 Well did you get money for it? 0:10:58.240 --> 0:10:59.119 Well, they haven't. 0:10:58.840 --> 0:11:04.080 Merchandised it since IC see. Well but they were doing 0:11:04.120 --> 0:11:06.000 it back twenty years ago. 0:11:06.360 --> 0:11:06.760 Wow. 0:11:07.960 --> 0:11:13.480 Well yeah, that's like, I mean, he'll get his name 0:11:13.480 --> 0:11:15.640 back when all is said and done, unless he's there forever. 0:11:15.760 --> 0:11:16.439 I mean, who knows. 0:11:17.160 --> 0:11:20.280 So Hey, look, I get it if you want to 0:11:20.559 --> 0:11:24.199 recreate yourself as some sort of character that you're going 0:11:24.240 --> 0:11:26.600 to work on with WWE, and I can understand it. 0:11:26.640 --> 0:11:30.000 If WWE's got something like the Undertaker that they bestow 0:11:30.080 --> 0:11:32.920 upon you, that's great. But it just seems like, in 0:11:32.960 --> 0:11:37.119 twenty twenty four, in many ways, we should be past 0:11:37.280 --> 0:11:41.080 that because there is only one other company in aw 0:11:41.160 --> 0:11:46.040 and there is value in someone else's persona and name, 0:11:46.160 --> 0:11:49.280 so to let them carry that as long as it's 0:11:49.320 --> 0:11:53.720 not a one hundred percent creation from the company itself, 0:11:53.800 --> 0:11:56.720 and it's ethan page all ego to me, you go 0:11:56.760 --> 0:11:59.560 ahead and do that, because what value would he have? 0:11:59.880 --> 0:12:03.120 In my opinion? And this is no offense to him, No, slants, 0:12:03.360 --> 0:12:06.720 you know, slandering of his talent, but he's a deal 0:12:06.840 --> 0:12:10.079 because that's who he is, Ricky Starks. If he were 0:12:10.120 --> 0:12:14.280 to leave AEW, he would be Ricky Starks in WWE 0:12:14.400 --> 0:12:17.840 or NXT. That to me is value to me and 0:12:18.280 --> 0:12:21.400 this day and age, it's crazy not to do that. Well, 0:12:21.440 --> 0:12:22.280 they could do. 0:12:22.200 --> 0:12:24.360 What they've done in the past, like they did with 0:12:25.000 --> 0:12:28.880 Harry Van Eric the Texas Tornado. They brought him in, 0:12:28.880 --> 0:12:32.320 initially used Harry von Eric. They did with Paul White too, 0:12:33.120 --> 0:12:35.880 used his real name for the value of whatever that 0:12:36.000 --> 0:12:40.080 amounted to, but over time dropped what they didn't own 0:12:40.120 --> 0:12:43.840 and just built the Texas Tornado and the Giant because 0:12:43.880 --> 0:12:46.880 they didn't want to build equity in something they didn't own. 0:12:47.240 --> 0:12:49.520 And mister Perfect I guess too as well, even though 0:12:49.520 --> 0:12:51.520 that gimmick was you know, was a great one, but 0:12:51.640 --> 0:12:54.640 he was mister perfect Kurt Hennig and then that did disappear. 0:12:55.640 --> 0:12:58.920 It's just interesting because nowadays, you know, they bring in 0:12:59.200 --> 0:13:01.800 they like jul Is coming in as Julia, they talked 0:13:01.840 --> 0:13:06.679 about her on NXT by that name, and Stephanie Mcare's 0:13:06.720 --> 0:13:09.320 coming in as Stephanie Vicaire. They talked about her on NXT, 0:13:10.200 --> 0:13:14.959 and you know Gable Steveson, he was in his Gable Steveson. 0:13:15.800 --> 0:13:18.960 But then you've got other you know, Olympians that are 0:13:18.960 --> 0:13:22.480 coming in with fake names to this day still, so 0:13:23.080 --> 0:13:27.040 I don't know what you know everyone's it's like case 0:13:27.120 --> 0:13:29.600 my case basis with. 0:13:30.480 --> 0:13:35.600 People like Julia and Stephanie Vicaire. It's like there was 0:13:35.600 --> 0:13:38.880 a bidding war for these people, so it would be 0:13:38.920 --> 0:13:43.079 in their best interest to tell w B. It's like, well, 0:13:43.120 --> 0:13:45.720 aw will allow me to keep my name and build 0:13:45.760 --> 0:13:49.439 that that's a big plus. Will you match it? And 0:13:49.679 --> 0:13:52.200 if you have the leverage to do it, you'd be 0:13:52.240 --> 0:13:55.200 crazy not to. It's like, keep your name, build your 0:13:55.280 --> 0:13:58.160 name so that you have that leverage. And if you're 0:13:58.280 --> 0:14:01.080 just you know, Joe Schmoe looking for a developmental deal, 0:14:01.360 --> 0:14:02.800 you don't have that leverage. 0:14:03.240 --> 0:14:06.319 And granted this was under Vince, but they did change 0:14:06.400 --> 0:14:09.560 EO Sharai's name. She was Sharai in NXT, was she not? 0:14:09.679 --> 0:14:12.040 Before she became EO Sky And when she got called. 0:14:11.880 --> 0:14:13.640 Well, it was weird because a lot of people would 0:14:13.679 --> 0:14:17.200 debut in NXT and on their very first day they 0:14:17.200 --> 0:14:20.440 would be announced by whatever their name was. EO Sharai 0:14:20.720 --> 0:14:23.920 but then as they made their entrance, a new name 0:14:23.920 --> 0:14:25.920 would appear on the screen and that would be their 0:14:26.000 --> 0:14:27.160 name from that point forward. 0:14:27.240 --> 0:14:29.040 Well that's what happened with Kenta, right. 0:14:29.560 --> 0:14:32.200 Well a lot of people actually, yeah, that was weird. 0:14:32.880 --> 0:14:35.440 It's like we got Eyo Sharai. Here's Eo Sharai. And 0:14:35.440 --> 0:14:38.120 then as she came, it was like Surrey when she 0:14:38.160 --> 0:14:42.040 went through that magic portal, her name magically changed and 0:14:42.080 --> 0:14:47.120 they never used the the old name again. All Right, 0:14:47.800 --> 0:14:51.280 we're not going to talk about the I'm gonna talk 0:14:51.280 --> 0:14:53.280 about Dynamite yet. We'll do that after the break because 0:14:53.320 --> 0:14:56.560 I know Lance got a lot to say. But NXT 0:14:56.680 --> 0:15:00.360 on Tuesday should mention six and ten thousand and a 0:15:00.520 --> 0:15:04.960 point to zero. And again, this was head to head 0:15:05.000 --> 0:15:08.040 with the MLB All Star Game, and I even know, 0:15:08.240 --> 0:15:11.080 you know people in WWE, they were like, whatever Monday 0:15:11.120 --> 0:15:14.280 and Tuesday do, it doesn't matter. It's it's the you know, 0:15:14.440 --> 0:15:17.440 MLB All Star Game is gonna destroy him. But actually 0:15:17.560 --> 0:15:21.840 it didn't. Raw was down a little bit and NXT 0:15:22.120 --> 0:15:26.160 was down a little bit, but realistically they both held 0:15:26.240 --> 0:15:30.080 up really well going up against the Actually I think 0:15:30.080 --> 0:15:31.400 it was a home run derby on Monday in the 0:15:31.400 --> 0:15:33.640 All Star Game on Tuesday. But I mean they both 0:15:33.680 --> 0:15:35.560 did fine. They were down a little bit, but it 0:15:35.600 --> 0:15:37.320 was no you know, disaster or anything. 0:15:37.680 --> 0:15:40.400 When it comes to baseball and hockey, if your product 0:15:40.480 --> 0:15:44.120 is good, the postseason will affect it, and things like 0:15:44.160 --> 0:15:46.760 this will affect it, but not as bad as you think. 0:15:46.800 --> 0:15:50.120 If you're good, your fans usually stay with you all right. 0:15:50.160 --> 0:15:51.920 Back in a moment with more Observer Live. 0:16:12.240 --> 0:16:15.760 You are listening to Wrestling Observer Live with Brian Alvarez 0:16:15.800 --> 0:16:19.520 and Mike SIMPERVV on the Sports Byline Broadcasting Network. 0:16:20.720 --> 0:16:25.160 Begging the show. Brian Albarez here Wrestling Observer Alive, Mike 0:16:25.200 --> 0:16:30.840 semper vv, also of Wrestling Observer dot Com, and Lance 0:16:30.880 --> 0:16:34.440 you watched that Dynamite show last night? I did, and 0:16:34.640 --> 0:16:37.840 uh it opened up with will Ospray and MGFF for 0:16:37.880 --> 0:16:41.400 the international title, and going in I thought, well, you know, 0:16:41.680 --> 0:16:44.680 MGF is gonna win this title. They're gonna go to Wembley, 0:16:45.200 --> 0:16:49.880 They're gonna rematch Will Osprey is gonna beat MJF. Maybe 0:16:49.880 --> 0:16:52.800 even when Daniel Garcia returns and screws MGF. I don't 0:16:52.800 --> 0:16:55.280 know if that's gonna happen there or not. And they 0:16:55.360 --> 0:16:58.040 can do MGF and Daniel Garcia all out two weeks later. 0:16:58.080 --> 0:17:01.800 But anyway, the point is I always watched the West 0:17:01.800 --> 0:17:04.800 Coast feed, and so nearly everything is always spoiled for 0:17:04.840 --> 0:17:08.399 me by the time I watched the show. By this time, 0:17:09.960 --> 0:17:11.600 what was spoiled for me was that they went in 0:17:11.720 --> 0:17:15.639 hower and so I started watching this match. I'm watching 0:17:15.640 --> 0:17:17.200 the entire match thing, and they're going to a one 0:17:17.200 --> 0:17:22.360 hour draw, and so I was astounded when with two 0:17:22.400 --> 0:17:25.159 seconds left, MGF won the title. So they got me, 0:17:25.720 --> 0:17:28.560 even though I thought I knew what happened. But I 0:17:28.600 --> 0:17:32.480 thought this was an exceptional match, Lance, What did you think? 0:17:33.359 --> 0:17:35.320 I thought it was really good too, although I had 0:17:35.359 --> 0:17:39.879 to watch it in a couple of sittings because I 0:17:39.920 --> 0:17:42.439 have a life in the evening and dogs to attend 0:17:42.480 --> 0:17:44.480 to two, so I can't sit still for a whole 0:17:44.520 --> 0:17:46.639 hour to get through a match. I thought it was 0:17:46.680 --> 0:17:49.399 really good. The exception that I took was listening to 0:17:49.480 --> 0:17:53.719 you and Dave this morning with your you know, they 0:17:53.720 --> 0:17:55.440 didn't wrestle like it was going to be a long match, 0:17:55.440 --> 0:17:58.159 and I'm like, well, MJF like rolled out of the 0:17:58.240 --> 0:17:59.960 ring and started playing the crowd for it even start 0:18:00.240 --> 0:18:03.760 it was reminiscent of when I broke in, where we would, 0:18:03.800 --> 0:18:06.080 you know, challenge each other, see how long we could 0:18:06.080 --> 0:18:07.200 go before you tied up. 0:18:07.840 --> 0:18:09.600 But well, yeah, but I mean I will. I will 0:18:09.600 --> 0:18:11.760 defend it in one way, and that is that if 0:18:11.800 --> 0:18:15.600 you watch any MJF match, he always does that at 0:18:15.640 --> 0:18:17.639 the beating of the match, even if he's going ten minutes, 0:18:17.680 --> 0:18:19.280 he's got the spot where. 0:18:19.320 --> 0:18:23.840 You know, the stall for dynamite is usually hit action 0:18:24.000 --> 0:18:26.720 right away. And so I knew they were going along. 0:18:26.720 --> 0:18:29.000 And again not a criticism, it's like they went longer 0:18:29.000 --> 0:18:30.800 than I would have been able to suck it up 0:18:30.880 --> 0:18:33.080 and go through. And it was really good what I saw. 0:18:33.840 --> 0:18:35.280 I think I saw it all again. I saw it 0:18:35.280 --> 0:18:38.120 in a couple of sittings, but it was really good. 0:18:38.160 --> 0:18:41.680 There was one spot, because I am a cy brain 0:18:41.800 --> 0:18:45.200 logic guy, that drove me crazy. There was the one 0:18:45.200 --> 0:18:47.960 spot on the floor where MGF went screw this, threw 0:18:48.000 --> 0:18:51.240 his hands up and hoped the railing and started to leave. 0:18:51.480 --> 0:18:55.080 I'm like, will just let him. He doesn't want the title, 0:18:55.119 --> 0:18:59.520 screw them. Why would you prevent someone from quitting and 0:18:59.560 --> 0:19:03.000 retain your title. I just it doesn't make sense for 0:19:03.040 --> 0:19:05.680 the challenger to go. Yeah, I'm done, I want to leave. 0:19:06.480 --> 0:19:08.879 So just a small logic thing that drove me crazy. 0:19:08.880 --> 0:19:11.600 But they worked hard and it was quite good. I'm 0:19:11.640 --> 0:19:15.000 certainly not lighting their work or the quality of the 0:19:15.000 --> 0:19:15.600 match anyway. 0:19:16.480 --> 0:19:17.440 What did you think, Mike? 0:19:18.119 --> 0:19:20.359 I thought it was great. You know. One of the things, 0:19:20.400 --> 0:19:22.679 like Lan said, you know, one of the things I 0:19:22.800 --> 0:19:25.359 liked was Osprey was the one who got the table, 0:19:25.880 --> 0:19:28.840 because if he got disqualified, I mean sure people would 0:19:28.840 --> 0:19:31.560 be disappointed, but he's the champion. He would still go 0:19:31.600 --> 0:19:33.640 home with the belt. So I like how they did that. 0:19:34.480 --> 0:19:37.160 It could have been you know, I get people out there, 0:19:37.200 --> 0:19:39.200 it could have been shorter. Yeah, it could have been shorter, 0:19:39.280 --> 0:19:41.840 but that wasn't the story they were telling. The clock 0:19:42.040 --> 0:19:45.240 was the fourth person in the ring, and they wanted 0:19:45.280 --> 0:19:47.480 to tell this story with them going neck and neck 0:19:47.560 --> 0:19:50.200 all the way up until the end. And people were 0:19:50.240 --> 0:19:55.800 stunned when Bryce Rensisberg hit three and MJF was the champion. 0:19:55.880 --> 0:19:58.840 And I thought, as far as this day and age goes, 0:19:58.920 --> 0:20:02.119 that was as close to Flare and Steamboat going sixty 0:20:02.200 --> 0:20:04.480 minutes as you can get with Flair. As the twenty 0:20:04.560 --> 0:20:08.080 twenty four Rick Flair and will Osbury doing these crazy 0:20:08.119 --> 0:20:12.080 athletic things. For the entire time. I thought it really 0:20:12.560 --> 0:20:15.480 was great. And I don't know, you know, they're gonna 0:20:15.520 --> 0:20:19.000 obviously have a rematch at some point down the line. 0:20:19.000 --> 0:20:21.720 I don't know if you want to do MJF and Pack, 0:20:22.440 --> 0:20:24.199 you know, I don't know if that's the type of 0:20:24.240 --> 0:20:25.960 match you want to do a Wembley, but you're gonna 0:20:26.000 --> 0:20:26.800 have a stack card. 0:20:26.880 --> 0:20:28.840 M JF and Pack. They're not doing that at Wembley, 0:20:29.280 --> 0:20:29.879 and Jeff and. 0:20:29.920 --> 0:20:32.600 Osprey, well do that well, and then we'll look at Pack. 0:20:32.640 --> 0:20:34.639 I'll get a shot, I'm sure between now and then. 0:20:34.680 --> 0:20:36.840 Well you have. But the thing is you have all 0:20:36.880 --> 0:20:40.400 in or all out two weeks later, So you could 0:20:40.560 --> 0:20:42.639 there's ways you could do it if you wanted to 0:20:42.680 --> 0:20:45.160 showcase and have Pack, you know, again, have a big 0:20:45.200 --> 0:20:48.080 match in his home country. You could do that if 0:20:48.080 --> 0:20:49.920 you wanted to, and then save it for the next 0:20:49.960 --> 0:20:52.679 pay per view only two weeks later. So to me, 0:20:52.800 --> 0:20:55.040 it was just I thought it was great and I 0:20:55.040 --> 0:20:58.119 thought it was again a real a real surprise and 0:20:58.160 --> 0:21:00.679 a real treat. How they have, what the pacing was 0:21:00.720 --> 0:21:02.920 throughout the whole thing. I thought it Both of them 0:21:02.960 --> 0:21:04.240 I thought were fantastic. 0:21:04.720 --> 0:21:07.520 I'll put another five dollars mic on will Os Ram 0:21:07.600 --> 0:21:08.280 Jeff at all in. 0:21:09.280 --> 0:21:15.160 I think it's also incredible that MJF to do the hour. 0:21:16.040 --> 0:21:19.200 Not that it, but this dude does not wrestle very often. 0:21:19.440 --> 0:21:21.440 How many matches he had and he went in there 0:21:21.440 --> 0:21:24.760 and put in an hour. That's impressive as all get out. 0:21:24.760 --> 0:21:27.240 I'll tell you well, he's done it with Danielson before. 0:21:27.240 --> 0:21:29.200 He had that Ironman match with him that went into 0:21:29.240 --> 0:21:31.479 overtime that was really good. But this was, you know, 0:21:31.520 --> 0:21:34.679 a different type of match and certainly a different type 0:21:34.680 --> 0:21:36.880 of opponent. I think, you know, one of the things 0:21:36.920 --> 0:21:39.439 I wish the announcers would have done, though, is because 0:21:39.560 --> 0:21:42.840 MJF missed so much time with the hip injury, when 0:21:42.840 --> 0:21:46.280