WEBVTT - Selects: Beavers: Tail Slapping Fun

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<v Speaker 1>Everyone. It's Josh, and for this week's Select, I've chosen

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<v Speaker 1>our October twenty twenty episode on beavers because it's one

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<v Speaker 1>of our best animal episodes, which is really saying something

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<v Speaker 1>because our animal episodes are pretty great. And it turns

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<v Speaker 1>out that beavers aren't just cute and diligent at work.

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<v Speaker 1>They have a huge cascading effect, a positive one too,

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<v Speaker 1>on the ecosystems that they move into. So behold and

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<v Speaker 1>enjoy the Beaver.

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<v Speaker 2>Welcome to Stuff you Should Know a production of iHeartRadio.

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<v Speaker 1>Hey, and welcome to the podcast. I'm Josh Clark, and

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<v Speaker 1>there's Charles w Chuck Bryan over there, and there's Jerry somewhere.

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<v Speaker 1>And it says, Steve, you should know the Orange Insizer's edition.

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<v Speaker 2>No, I thought you're gonna make a bad naked gun joke.

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<v Speaker 1>No, No, it's We've run through my head over and

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<v Speaker 1>over and over and over and over and over and

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<v Speaker 1>over again.

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<v Speaker 2>Though it's hard though when you're at our age. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>and you saw those movies, yeah for sure.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah. Dumb joke though, Yeah, Well, I mean it's a

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<v Speaker 1>naked gun joke for Pete's saying, come.

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<v Speaker 2>On, So this kind of ties in I think a

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<v Speaker 2>little bit with our porcupine episode and that beavers are

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<v Speaker 2>you know, they're porcupine esque in some ways.

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<v Speaker 1>I think it ties in even more to our Wetlands episode,

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<v Speaker 1>which gave birth to the idea for this episode. You know, yeah, absolutely,

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<v Speaker 1>I mean I'm pretty excited about this one. I think

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<v Speaker 1>beavers are about as great as it gets because they're

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<v Speaker 1>so studious and they also bend the world to their will.

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<v Speaker 1>They shape things the way that they want them and

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<v Speaker 1>I like that about them.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, and I also love their familial aspects. Yeah, which

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<v Speaker 2>we'll get to all this stuff. But what we're talking

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<v Speaker 2>about is the largest rodent in North America.

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<v Speaker 1>Which really demeans them, I guess.

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<v Speaker 2>But yes, rodent's such a it's not a bad word.

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<v Speaker 2>There's so many great rodents. Oh, beavers, porcupines, what else. Squirrels.

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<v Speaker 2>I know you have a thing with squirrels.

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<v Speaker 1>But well, I know I like squirrels now. Momo and

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<v Speaker 1>I and you me sometimes comes with us to chase

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<v Speaker 1>squirrels across the street in the park and feed them peanuts.

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<v Speaker 1>We give them peanuts is like to kind of buy

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<v Speaker 1>them off after mo chases them up a tree. But

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<v Speaker 1>the squirrels across the way will actually come to you

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<v Speaker 1>and eat peanuts out of your hand. So I'm kind

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<v Speaker 1>of on squirrels now. Momo loves squirrels, chipmunks, mice, chipmunks too. Yeah.

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<v Speaker 1>Rodents are okay, Chuck.

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<v Speaker 2>I think there are fewer terrible rodents, and the only

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<v Speaker 2>ones I can think of that are terrible are those

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<v Speaker 2>scary New York City sewer rats.

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<v Speaker 1>Oh yeah, okay, so rodents are all right up with rodents,

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<v Speaker 1>I guess rabbits and I don't think they're rodents.

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<v Speaker 2>They are you like a hamster?

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<v Speaker 1>Sure, hamsters. I don't know if rabbits are rodents. Are

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<v Speaker 1>they It makes sense that they would be.

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<v Speaker 2>But it's what rodent dot com says.

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<v Speaker 1>Okay, well, who am I to disagree with that? But

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<v Speaker 1>we're not talking about rabbits. We're not talking about sewer rats.

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<v Speaker 1>We're talking about beavers. And again, beavers are amazing, amazing animals,

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<v Speaker 1>and like you said, you know, it's kind of related

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<v Speaker 1>to porcupines, and that there's what you could call Old

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<v Speaker 1>World and New World beavers. But there's really just two species,

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<v Speaker 1>and one is found in North America and one is

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<v Speaker 1>found in Eurasia. And it's easy, pasy, no fuss, no must.

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<v Speaker 1>These are the beavers that are alive on the planet.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, so we've got the American beaver. They weigh between

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<v Speaker 2>fifteen and sixty five pounds, which is very large. If

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<v Speaker 2>you've ever seen a large beaver in the wild, it's

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<v Speaker 2>not scary because you know, and we'll get to whether

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<v Speaker 2>or not they they're dangerous. They're really not. But it's

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<v Speaker 2>such a large thing that you're like, wow, they're bigger

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<v Speaker 2>than I thought. Usually has run through my head when

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<v Speaker 2>I see a beaver.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, I mean sixty or thirty No, yeah, sixty five

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<v Speaker 1>pounds is about thirty kilograms.

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<v Speaker 2>It's a big beaver.

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<v Speaker 1>It is a big beaver. And I had to converty

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<v Speaker 1>to kilograms for at least our friends in Canada because

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<v Speaker 1>beaver's their national emblem. They have beaver on their nickel,

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<v Speaker 1>which is amazing. Like, this just makes me love Canada

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<v Speaker 1>all the much more, you know.

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<v Speaker 2>So for that sixty pounds, you're going to be a

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<v Speaker 2>couple of feet long twenty three to forty inches long. Hm,

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<v Speaker 2>that's without the tail. You don't count the tail when

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<v Speaker 2>you're measuring a beaver. The tail will talk a little

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<v Speaker 2>bit more about it, But they're anywhere from seven to

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<v Speaker 2>twelve inches. If you're Eurasian, you're about the same size. Mate.

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<v Speaker 2>You can be a little bit smaller, Oh I thought bigger,

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<v Speaker 2>Well you can be a little smaller on the I

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<v Speaker 2>think the range is bigger. Okay, so you can be

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<v Speaker 2>down in the twenties poundage wise, but up to the

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<v Speaker 2>seventies poundage wise, and you're probably a little bit longer,

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<v Speaker 2>and your skull and your tail are going to be narrower,

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<v Speaker 2>or your tail's narrower and your skull is smaller.

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<v Speaker 1>So yeah, but that tail is what everybody understands when

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<v Speaker 1>they see a beaver. Just like with a porcupine and

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<v Speaker 1>its quills, a beaver in its tail is they're just synonymous.

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<v Speaker 1>Everybody recognizes a beaver because of its tail, and also

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<v Speaker 1>the tails help make it cute. Even though if you

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<v Speaker 1>zoomed in and took a really close look at the tail,

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<v Speaker 1>you'd be like gross. You think, yeah, it's scaly, it's

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<v Speaker 1>got sparse, coarse hair associated with it. It looks like

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<v Speaker 1>a black jack that some old timy like ruffs would

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<v Speaker 1>beat you up with. And yet it's one of the

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<v Speaker 1>most amazing appendages any animal has as far as it's

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<v Speaker 1>like a Swiss Army knife foot for tails.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, they're very useful in a lot of ways. They

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<v Speaker 2>obviously if they're swimming, and beavers, by the way, can

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<v Speaker 2>swim five to seven miles an hour. They have little

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<v Speaker 2>web feet they have, they can close their ear holes

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<v Speaker 2>in their nose holes, and they can roll their film

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<v Speaker 2>over their eyeballs.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, nictitating membrane.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, it's amazing. So if they're gonna be swimming, then

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<v Speaker 2>that tail is gonna be acting as a rudder and

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<v Speaker 2>as a propeller. It's also if they're on land, it's

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<v Speaker 2>gonna act as a little kickstand at times.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, when they stand up on their back legs, they

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<v Speaker 1>use their tail to kind of lean against the balance.

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<v Speaker 1>It's a big one for sure. They also, and this

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<v Speaker 1>is a sure sign that you have frightened slash upset

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<v Speaker 1>a beaver. They will slap the water with their tail

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<v Speaker 1>in part to frighten you away, to say like, don't

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<v Speaker 1>mess with me, but also to warn other beavers because,

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<v Speaker 1>like you were saying, they're familial, they are actually fairly

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<v Speaker 1>social animals and they live in family units, so they

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<v Speaker 1>would want to warn like you know the wife and

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<v Speaker 1>the kids back at the lodge.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah. And here's the thing. I spent a lot of

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<v Speaker 2>time at a lake here in Georgia, and I have

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<v Speaker 2>heard something which I thought was a beaver tail smash,

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<v Speaker 2>but I'm not sure because I didn't see it. I

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<v Speaker 2>have seen evidence of beaver eating tree stuff, oh yeah, yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>and which we'll get to. And one day when I

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<v Speaker 2>was in the lake, I saw a mammal's head coming

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<v Speaker 2>toward me and I don't know if it was. We

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<v Speaker 2>also have river otter, so I don't know if it

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<v Speaker 2>was an otter or a beaver, but either way it

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<v Speaker 2>was it was a large head. And even though I

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<v Speaker 2>know that they weren't going to like come after me,

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<v Speaker 2>when that thing pops under the water, You're just like,

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<v Speaker 2>where's he going, what's he doing? Where is he? Is

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<v Speaker 2>he coming at me or not?

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<v Speaker 1>Were you swimming in the lake at the time.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, I was swimming in the lake and I saw

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<v Speaker 2>this large mammal head, you know, dumped under I could

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<v Speaker 2>feel you. And if it was I'm not sure how

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<v Speaker 2>long beavers can hold their or Otters can hold their breasts,

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<v Speaker 2>but beavers can hold their breath for about fifteen minutes,

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<v Speaker 2>which is pretty remarkable.

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<v Speaker 1>I thought. I think remarkable too. I mean, it really

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<v Speaker 1>just goes to show just how adapted they are for

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<v Speaker 1>life in the water. And they are mammals, so they

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<v Speaker 1>have lung so they need to breathe air outside of

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<v Speaker 1>the water. But yeah, the fact that they can hold

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<v Speaker 1>their breaths for fifteen minutes, that they have nictitating membranes

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<v Speaker 1>that cover their eyes like little goggles so they can

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<v Speaker 1>see and work underwater. They spend a significant amount of

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<v Speaker 1>their time underwater. In fact, they're most protected in water.

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<v Speaker 1>That's where they can move the fastest. They can swim

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<v Speaker 1>pretty fast, way faster than they can waddle on land. Sure,

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<v Speaker 1>and a lot of their predators won't necessarily come into,

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<v Speaker 1>especially deep water after them. So when they're in the water,

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<v Speaker 1>they're at their they're in their happy place most.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, and imagine when they dive for fifteen minutes and

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<v Speaker 2>are swimming around. What do you think those.

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<v Speaker 1>Fish think, Oh, here comes a beaver.

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<v Speaker 2>They do they know or are they just like, what

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<v Speaker 2>in the world is that big hairy thing?

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<v Speaker 1>I would guess that I would like to think they know.

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<v Speaker 1>I like to think of communities of animals or ecosystems.

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<v Speaker 2>Just they know each other.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, they know each other. They know each other's foibles.

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<v Speaker 1>They've come to accept one another. You know, they have

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<v Speaker 1>their other things, but beaver foibles they always kind of

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<v Speaker 1>you know, they in the end that when somebody, you know,

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<v Speaker 1>like a human comes in and tries to screw things up,

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<v Speaker 1>they'll all band together and you know, raise money for

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<v Speaker 1>the community center so that the developer can't buy it.

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<v Speaker 2>So if you are North American beaver, you can live

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<v Speaker 2>pretty much anywhere in North America except for the desert.

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<v Speaker 2>Because you want water around, you're probably going to be

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<v Speaker 2>near pond or a lake, or a marsh or a

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<v Speaker 2>swamp or a river. Eurasian beavers used to live all

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<v Speaker 2>over Europe and Asia, but they were hunted over hunted

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<v Speaker 2>because at one point in time, wearing beaver pelts and

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<v Speaker 2>beaver hats was like a really high fashion. So now

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<v Speaker 2>they're only found in Germany, France, Poland, Scandinavia, Southern Scandinavia,

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<v Speaker 2>and Central Russia.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, and a lot of those are because they were

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<v Speaker 1>reintroduced to the areas, Like I believe Germany had to

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<v Speaker 1>have their population reintroduced because they were hunted to extinction

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<v Speaker 1>and how many.

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<v Speaker 2>Beavers used to be here, like four hundred million.

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<v Speaker 1>That's the estimate is that in North America prior to

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<v Speaker 1>Colombian contact, that there were about four hundred million beavers

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<v Speaker 1>and they were hunted down to near extinction within the

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<v Speaker 1>hundreds of thousands from what I saw, and were luckily

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<v Speaker 1>held back from the brink. And when I say luckily,

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<v Speaker 1>I don't just mean for the beavers, but I mean

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<v Speaker 1>for the planet as far as North America is concerned.

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<v Speaker 1>Because one of the things that we are still learning

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<v Speaker 1>but have come to realize, is that the beavers are

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<v Speaker 1>probably the most useful species on the planet because they're

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<v Speaker 1>one of the few species that alters their environment as

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<v Speaker 1>radically as they do.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, what are they called.

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<v Speaker 1>They're a keystone species species because when they are present,

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<v Speaker 1>biodiversity thrives, and when beavers are removed from an area,

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<v Speaker 1>biodiversity suffers. The presence of beavers makes life better and

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<v Speaker 1>richer for entirely other animals and species, just because of

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<v Speaker 1>what they do and how they do it.

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<v Speaker 2>All Right, that's a great place to take a break.

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<v Speaker 2>And I say, when we come back, we talk about

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<v Speaker 2>the two fundamental fulcrumbs on which beaver life is based.

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<v Speaker 2>The dam and the lodge.

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<v Speaker 3>Okay, stop, stop, all right, we're back.

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<v Speaker 2>And there are a couple of things. You know, you've

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<v Speaker 2>heard busy as a beaver. Uh, it's it's I don't

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<v Speaker 2>know if that's proven, but I think it is almost

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<v Speaker 2>universally agreed that that phrase came about because beavers are,

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<v Speaker 2>in fact very busy, and they work, work, work all

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<v Speaker 2>day long, building their homes and building dams. Their homes

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<v Speaker 2>are called lodges. And you've probably seen, if you've ever

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<v Speaker 2>been hiking and stuff in America, you've probably seen a

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<v Speaker 2>beaver lodge by a river, ear lake. It's a little

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<v Speaker 2>little dome, a little hot out of sticks and grasses

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<v Speaker 2>and moss and mud.

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<v Speaker 1>Maybe you thought a local witch had built it.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, maybe it does look like a little Uh what

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<v Speaker 2>do you call witch's houses?

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<v Speaker 1>Witch's house? I think there's a cottage.

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<v Speaker 2>Oh sure, I think there's a different name. But I

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<v Speaker 2>thought so. Now I don't, I don't know.

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<v Speaker 1>I think so witch house.

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<v Speaker 2>Maybe I'm thinking of Coven's.

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<v Speaker 1>House a day witch.

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<v Speaker 2>No, there's a word. We just I just watched The

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<v Speaker 2>Witch the movie again. I think there's a word for it.

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<v Speaker 1>Man, I love that. That might be my favorite movie.

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<v Speaker 2>We did a movie Crush Roundtable on that. By the way,

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<v Speaker 2>it was really good.

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<v Speaker 1>It is a good And that's the guy who did

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<v Speaker 1>the Lighthouse, isn't it.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, Rob Potters, God bless that.

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<v Speaker 1>Man. I can't wait to see his biking movie too.

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<v Speaker 2>Oh man, I can't imagine. Okay, So the beaver lodge is,

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<v Speaker 2>you know, about eight feet wide a few feet high.

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<v Speaker 2>They're on the banks of these ponds or on lake shores.

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<v Speaker 2>They have this is one of my favorite parts. Many

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<v Speaker 2>of them have a little underwater back door.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah.

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<v Speaker 2>It's like sort of a ski in chalet if you're

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<v Speaker 2>snow skiing.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, which makes sense because again, they spend so much

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<v Speaker 1>time in the water, but also it protects them from

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<v Speaker 1>terrestrial predators because they can get into the water and

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<v Speaker 1>escape when a predators like at their door.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah. And you know this is they're nocturnal, they don't hibernate,

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<v Speaker 2>but most of this action's going on at night, and

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<v Speaker 2>everyone pitches in the whole family. I don't think we

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<v Speaker 2>said yet. They live with their children till they're about two.

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<v Speaker 2>And a beaver lodge you might find a mom and

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<v Speaker 2>a dad who are monogamous mates for life, and they

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<v Speaker 2>might have their three two year old almost two year

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<v Speaker 2>old children, and then they might have their little grand babies.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, because when they have their their babies, which are

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<v Speaker 1>called kits, which admittedly is not as cute a word

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<v Speaker 1>as porcupets.

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<v Speaker 2>No, but they're cute.

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<v Speaker 1>But dude, just baby for press pause right now, everybody,

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<v Speaker 1>and go look up some baby beaver pictures, little tails.

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<v Speaker 1>They're cute. So they have baby beavers. And one of

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<v Speaker 1>the reasons why they're so cute is because they stick

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<v Speaker 1>around for so long, or they stick around so long

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<v Speaker 1>because they're so cute. That's what I mean to say. Yes,

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<v Speaker 1>but they do. They stay as part of the family

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<v Speaker 1>unit and help work on the family lodge and damn

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<v Speaker 1>until about two when they wander off, and then at

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<v Speaker 1>three they start to mate. But they build their own

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<v Speaker 1>lodge at age two, and from what I've read, it's

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<v Speaker 1>usually very clumsy. It's not in the best place necessarily,

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<v Speaker 1>and so they kind of learn as they go. But

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<v Speaker 1>they also learn from their family unit first, which I

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<v Speaker 1>think is super cute.

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<v Speaker 2>It is I think we should talk about dams though.

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<v Speaker 2>I mean, the lodges are are cool and it's a

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<v Speaker 2>great place to live if you're a beaver. But the

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<v Speaker 2>dams is where they really that's where they get their

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<v Speaker 2>shining moment as a species. That really helps out the

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<v Speaker 2>environment because they help create these wetlands, don't they.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, So a beaver will move into an area that's

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<v Speaker 1>dry as a bone, that's maybe crop land, that's maybe timberland,

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<v Speaker 1>that is not at all flooded. There's no pond or

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<v Speaker 1>wetland or anything like that, and they say, this can

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<v Speaker 1>be better. And so they find like a source of

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<v Speaker 1>moving water like a stream or a brook, maybe a creek,

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<v Speaker 1>maybe a creek something like that, and they stop it up.

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<v Speaker 1>They build a dam, and they build this damp so

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<v Speaker 1>that the water backs up behind it and floods this

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<v Speaker 1>area and turns it into a wetland. And they do

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<v Speaker 1>this not to irk humans or just for fun. They

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<v Speaker 1>do it because they're altering the ecosystem to better suit themselves.

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<v Speaker 1>Like I said, they survive much better when they're in

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<v Speaker 1>the water. They move faster, they can work faster. So

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<v Speaker 1>they actually make this ecosystem into an aquatic ecosystem where

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<v Speaker 1>before there wasn't an aquatic ecosystem. And they do it

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<v Speaker 1>all by building this dam, and the way that they

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<v Speaker 1>build dams is magnificent in and of itself.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, so you know, you got your dam base, the

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<v Speaker 2>foundation basically where you're going to use mud and gravel

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<v Speaker 2>that you get from the stream, and you kind of

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<v Speaker 2>work together as a family and with your tail and

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<v Speaker 2>they're pushing I say, we're beaver's all of a sudden,

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<v Speaker 2>and you're pushing this mud and gravel up from the

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<v Speaker 2>bottom of the stream.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah.

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<v Speaker 2>And if let's say it's a place where the creek

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<v Speaker 2>is running a little bit too fast and there's too

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<v Speaker 2>much flow, they're going to say, you know what, We're

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<v Speaker 2>going to take these sticks. We're gonna pile these things

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<v Speaker 2>up all along the bottom until basically it's like building

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<v Speaker 2>from the ground up until they're strong enough to stay

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<v Speaker 2>in place.

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<v Speaker 1>Right. But they're so good at using their hands, and

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<v Speaker 1>they're so strong. You said, you know, sixty sixty five

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<v Speaker 1>pounds or about thirty kilograms. They're mostly muscle too. They're

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<v Speaker 1>really strong little little rodents, especially for being like herbivores.

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<v Speaker 1>You know, they're like those vegan body builders. But they

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<v Speaker 1>can take they'll take sticks and like plant them in

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<v Speaker 1>the bottom of this stream or whatever and start forming

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<v Speaker 1>a lattice work that they weave in between and fill

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<v Speaker 1>up with mud to really stop up some you know,

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<v Speaker 1>fast moving current. That Like, that's the level of manipulation

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<v Speaker 1>that they're they're doing. They're they're building a dam that

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<v Speaker 1>they they eventually successfully back up the flow of water from.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, which is I've tried to do that before, and

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<v Speaker 2>it's hard to do. Yeah. My buddy Scotty and I,

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<v Speaker 2>you know, we went camping once in California, and it

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<v Speaker 2>was when I was young in the film industry, so

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<v Speaker 2>there was a lot of time between jobs, and we

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<v Speaker 2>just decided to stay and keep staying, and I think

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<v Speaker 2>we ended up staying for like eleven or twelve days wow.

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<v Speaker 2>And we wanted to build a waterfall next to our campsite,

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<v Speaker 2>so it sounded better. So we spent days and days

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<v Speaker 2>with sticks and big rocks and trying to reroute and

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<v Speaker 2>change the river. And it was some of the hardest

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<v Speaker 2>work I've ever done.

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<v Speaker 1>Imagine doing that at like forty eight inches long and

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<v Speaker 1>only sixty five pounds.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah. So they're not only building this thing up, they

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<v Speaker 2>got their little kits and their children helping, like bringing

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<v Speaker 2>up sticks and mud saying paw mas is okay, and

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<v Speaker 2>they say, yeah, add it to the pile. And then

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<v Speaker 2>once they're done, they like, there's a periodic like inspections

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<v Speaker 2>that go on, Yeah, because they got to make sure

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<v Speaker 2>that it stays strong, because that current just keeps going

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<v Speaker 2>and it's very easy to wiggle the right stick loose

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<v Speaker 2>and all of a sudden it starts crumbling down. So

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<v Speaker 2>they basically inspect these things every so often and check

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<v Speaker 2>it for leaks and bring in mud and patch it up,

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<v Speaker 2>just like it's like a human might do.

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<v Speaker 1>Oh, I saw that they do daily maintenance on it.

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<v Speaker 1>That one way to tell whether beavers are in the

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<v Speaker 1>area is to find their dam, make it like a

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<v Speaker 1>little miner hole in it, and then go back and

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<v Speaker 1>look the next day, and if it's patched up, the

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<v Speaker 1>beavers are around there and giving you the middle finger

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<v Speaker 1>right exactly like okay, yeah we're here, you've figured it out,

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<v Speaker 1>Please leave our dam alone. But yeah, these things are

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<v Speaker 1>like water tight for the most part, or they allow

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<v Speaker 1>very little water through, or I guess from what I

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<v Speaker 1>can tell, as much water as the beaver wants through.

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<v Speaker 1>Like they're very willfully deliberately constructed structures. That will turn

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<v Speaker 1>a dry area into a wetland. And when that happens,

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<v Speaker 1>one of the things that they used to build the

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<v Speaker 1>stuff with their trees around the area, they can they

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<v Speaker 1>use their teeth, those really really sharp, strong teeth that

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<v Speaker 1>I said are like kind of orangish at the very

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<v Speaker 1>beginning of the episode, and they're very they're orange because

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<v Speaker 1>they have so much iron in them, which actually gives

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<v Speaker 1>them that much more strength.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, they're up to an inch long. They're super strong.

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<v Speaker 2>They they actually sharpen as they gnaw on trees, so

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<v Speaker 2>it's not like it'll dull their teeth out. It actually

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<v Speaker 2>sharpens them. And the other thing they're doing is they're

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<v Speaker 2>eating that tree. They're one of the few mammals that

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<v Speaker 2>are maybe the only mammal that can actually digest cellulose.

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<v Speaker 1>Well, porcupines can too, remember, Oh that's right, Yeah, they can.

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<v Speaker 1>They can digest cellulos because they probably have a very

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<v Speaker 1>similar kind of bacteria that helps them helps digest it

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<v Speaker 1>for them. But they digest a lot of the cellulos

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<v Speaker 1>that they eat, and it's really hard to break down

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<v Speaker 1>normally for mammals though.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, but like you know, you said, they're essentially creating

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<v Speaker 2>these wetlands. They're preventing erosion, they are helping to pure

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<v Speaker 2>the water.

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<v Speaker 1>Oh, let's talk about what the dams can do. Okay, Chuck.

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<v Speaker 2>I mean it's amazing there. It's like a little environmental

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<v Speaker 2>coalition that goes into the woods to make things better.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah. So I think in the Wetlands episode, I said

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<v Speaker 1>something like a beaver creates the equivalent of some like

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<v Speaker 1>a five million dollar wastewater treatment plan or something like that.

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<v Speaker 1>I could not find that again to save my life,

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<v Speaker 1>but I think that was roughly Yet, they create this

0:21:29.560 --> 0:21:32.879
<v Speaker 1>this structure that creates the artificial wetland, and in doing so,

0:21:32.920 --> 0:21:35.720
<v Speaker 1>it filters the water because it slows the water down

0:21:35.760 --> 0:21:38.360
<v Speaker 1>so much that the stuff can trickle down to the bottom.

0:21:38.720 --> 0:21:42.440
<v Speaker 1>It turns a normal terrestrial piece of land into a wetland.

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<v Speaker 1>So aquatic plants come. And they've also found out that

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<v Speaker 1>not only does it filter water of like sediment and particles,

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<v Speaker 1>it also is capable of handling farm runoff fertilizer, which

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<v Speaker 1>is really pernicious because you know, when all that fertilizer

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<v Speaker 1>makes its way into watersheds and wetlands, it creates algae blooms,

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<v Speaker 1>which suck up all the oxygen and kill off a

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<v Speaker 1>bunch of fish, right, which is a big problem. They

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<v Speaker 1>figured out that beaver dams actually work against that by

0:22:13.400 --> 0:22:18.480
<v Speaker 1>fixing nitrogen excess nitrogen from fertilizer. It prevents it from flowing.

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<v Speaker 1>Bacteria chomps down on it and releases it as nitrogen

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<v Speaker 1>gas into the atmosphere, and the stuff the bacteria doesn't

0:22:24.680 --> 0:22:27.600
<v Speaker 1>eat floats down to the bottom gets eaten up by

0:22:27.760 --> 0:22:32.360
<v Speaker 1>aquatic plants, which when they die, lock it into the sediment.

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<v Speaker 1>So this farm runoff that's a huge problem as it stands,

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<v Speaker 1>is actually mitigated by beaver dams. They've recently found out.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, and talk about just what kind of impact it

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<v Speaker 2>has on who lives there. I mean, it's basically like

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<v Speaker 2>an invitation to nature that says, hey, we got a

0:22:52.320 --> 0:22:55.520
<v Speaker 2>good scene going over here. If you're an invertebrate that

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<v Speaker 2>doesn't feel like they have a home, you're welcome here.

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<v Speaker 2>If you're a new speci he's a bird that didn't

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<v Speaker 2>think that you would flourish here, time to change that attitude.

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<v Speaker 2>If you're a duck or a goose, you can nest

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<v Speaker 2>on top of our lodge because our lodge is super

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<v Speaker 2>warm because it's full of beavers and you can nest

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<v Speaker 2>on top of there and stay warm, and especially if

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<v Speaker 2>it's out in the middle of a pond or something,

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<v Speaker 2>you're gonna be safer.

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<v Speaker 1>What else, if you are a woodpecker and you're like,

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<v Speaker 1>all these trees are too healthy, there's no insects in them,

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<v Speaker 1>well just wait because flooded timberland doesn't stand up very

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<v Speaker 1>well to standing water, and so some of those trees

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<v Speaker 1>die off and they get they provide housing for insects,

0:23:36.720 --> 0:23:39.080
<v Speaker 1>which in turn provides food for the woodpeckers.

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<v Speaker 2>What if you're a moose, let's say, probably no good

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<v Speaker 2>for you, right.

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<v Speaker 1>No, you're gonna love this if you're a moose, so

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<v Speaker 1>buckle up, because the beaver has turned it into a wetland.

0:23:49.880 --> 0:23:53.280
<v Speaker 1>It's now an aquatic environment, and moose like aquatic plants

0:23:53.320 --> 0:23:56.760
<v Speaker 1>that grow on the edge of like marshy areas. So

0:23:57.200 --> 0:23:59.919
<v Speaker 1>these plants that weren't there before are suddenly there for

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<v Speaker 1>the moves. And it gets even better because when the

0:24:04.520 --> 0:24:08.320
<v Speaker 1>beaver family finally like is you know, moves away or

0:24:08.359 --> 0:24:11.760
<v Speaker 1>they die off and the whole thing gets abandoned. The

0:24:12.000 --> 0:24:15.359
<v Speaker 1>eventually the dam's going to break without regular maintenance, and

0:24:15.400 --> 0:24:18.520
<v Speaker 1>when it does, the place is going to go back

0:24:18.560 --> 0:24:20.520
<v Speaker 1>to how it was before, but it's going to go

0:24:20.600 --> 0:24:23.480
<v Speaker 1>back to better than it was before because think about

0:24:23.520 --> 0:24:26.280
<v Speaker 1>all that nitrogen that was fixed in the sediment, all

0:24:26.320 --> 0:24:28.440
<v Speaker 1>the erosion that was prevented, and all of a sudden,

0:24:28.480 --> 0:24:31.640
<v Speaker 1>you have a lush, beautiful meadow that deer can come

0:24:31.720 --> 0:24:32.159
<v Speaker 1>eat on.

0:24:32.800 --> 0:24:36.320
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, it's pretty amazing. Like they they help out all

0:24:36.359 --> 0:24:38.840
<v Speaker 2>these animals and introduce all these new animals that can

0:24:38.840 --> 0:24:41.520
<v Speaker 2>live together, and then once it's done, it becomes a

0:24:41.720 --> 0:24:42.920
<v Speaker 2>flowery meadow for deer.

0:24:43.080 --> 0:24:46.000
<v Speaker 1>They leave it better than it was when they first

0:24:46.040 --> 0:24:46.520
<v Speaker 1>got there.

0:24:47.280 --> 0:24:47.760
<v Speaker 2>Amazing.

0:24:48.280 --> 0:24:52.359
<v Speaker 1>It is amazing. The problem is is that humans frequently

0:24:52.480 --> 0:24:56.240
<v Speaker 1>have much different plans for those same areas, and beaver

0:24:56.400 --> 0:24:58.760
<v Speaker 1>want to foul them. I say, we take a break

0:24:58.800 --> 0:25:03.000
<v Speaker 1>and we come back and talk about that after a break.

0:25:03.680 --> 0:25:09.119
<v Speaker 1>Like I just said, what do you think? Answer now? Yes? Okay?

0:25:24.880 --> 0:25:28.200
<v Speaker 2>Stop stop stop.

0:25:28.280 --> 0:25:37.119
<v Speaker 1>Shut all right? So we love beaver. You love beaver.

0:25:37.960 --> 0:25:40.480
<v Speaker 1>Everyone out there listening, there's a lot of people who

0:25:40.480 --> 0:25:41.359
<v Speaker 1>don't love beaver.

0:25:42.080 --> 0:25:42.560
<v Speaker 2>Is it beaver?

0:25:43.440 --> 0:25:47.480
<v Speaker 1>It is now okay? And the reason why is because

0:25:47.520 --> 0:25:52.080
<v Speaker 1>if you own like a stand of timber, your plan

0:25:52.200 --> 0:25:54.359
<v Speaker 1>is to eventually cut that timber down and sell it

0:25:54.720 --> 0:25:58.440
<v Speaker 1>for wood planks or books, you know, like stuff you

0:25:58.440 --> 0:26:01.720
<v Speaker 1>should know. Calling an incomplete compendium of mostly interesting things

0:26:01.760 --> 0:26:06.520
<v Speaker 1>available everywhere you get books to pre order. Now, there's

0:26:06.600 --> 0:26:08.439
<v Speaker 1>things you can do with trees that you grow. And

0:26:08.480 --> 0:26:11.560
<v Speaker 1>if beavers move into your area and they build the dam,

0:26:11.720 --> 0:26:14.600
<v Speaker 1>those dams are effective. This isn't like a little puddle

0:26:14.680 --> 0:26:19.040
<v Speaker 1>we're talking about. They can create basic basically like lakes, ponds,

0:26:19.080 --> 0:26:23.680
<v Speaker 1>like enormous wetlands. And when you have standing water over timberland,

0:26:24.080 --> 0:26:27.320
<v Speaker 1>those trees are not They're not aquatic trees that you're

0:26:27.320 --> 0:26:30.800
<v Speaker 1>growing there, so they actually die again, remember they die

0:26:30.840 --> 0:26:33.720
<v Speaker 1>off and bugs move in and woodpeckers eat the bugs. Well,

0:26:33.760 --> 0:26:35.760
<v Speaker 1>if you're trying to make money off of those trees,

0:26:35.880 --> 0:26:37.879
<v Speaker 1>you don't really want the beavers to do that to

0:26:37.920 --> 0:26:38.720
<v Speaker 1>your timberland.

0:26:39.520 --> 0:26:43.200
<v Speaker 2>No, And I think how many tens of millions of dollars.

0:26:43.920 --> 0:26:45.880
<v Speaker 2>I think it was like twenty million dollars a year

0:26:46.040 --> 0:26:46.520
<v Speaker 2>or something.

0:26:46.880 --> 0:26:49.440
<v Speaker 1>I think more than that because I think I saw

0:26:49.480 --> 0:26:52.720
<v Speaker 1>Alabama alone suffered like fourteen million dollars in law really

0:26:52.760 --> 0:26:54.920
<v Speaker 1>from timberland, just Alabama.

0:26:54.560 --> 0:26:59.520
<v Speaker 2>From beaver damage. And not only that it'll it'll flooding

0:26:59.520 --> 0:27:03.720
<v Speaker 2>for crop. It can make what was ordinarily a very

0:27:03.800 --> 0:27:07.800
<v Speaker 2>stable bridge or road now unstable and cause damage to

0:27:07.880 --> 0:27:09.040
<v Speaker 2>roads and stuff like that.

0:27:08.960 --> 0:27:11.640
<v Speaker 1>From like saturating the soil that was holding it up

0:27:11.760 --> 0:27:12.600
<v Speaker 1>just fine before.

0:27:13.000 --> 0:27:15.960
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, the good news is back in the old days,

0:27:15.960 --> 0:27:17.800
<v Speaker 2>there would just you know, they would just cull as

0:27:17.800 --> 0:27:19.800
<v Speaker 2>many beavers as they could to get rid of them.

0:27:20.280 --> 0:27:22.320
<v Speaker 2>These days, and this is kind of a weird stat

0:27:22.400 --> 0:27:27.040
<v Speaker 2>but it says seventy five percent of beaver human conflict

0:27:27.880 --> 0:27:32.040
<v Speaker 2>can be resolved without trapping or killing the beavers. So yeah,

0:27:32.119 --> 0:27:34.840
<v Speaker 2>I take that as in they will somehow move them

0:27:34.840 --> 0:27:36.919
<v Speaker 2>along in a way that's humane.

0:27:37.040 --> 0:27:39.520
<v Speaker 1>Well, I don't know if that's even the case. I

0:27:39.560 --> 0:27:44.320
<v Speaker 1>think that more often than not, the first question is

0:27:44.320 --> 0:27:48.639
<v Speaker 1>is the beaver really causing a problem or is it

0:27:48.720 --> 0:27:51.720
<v Speaker 1>that there's beavers and they've created this wetland and that

0:27:51.840 --> 0:27:53.920
<v Speaker 1>wasn't there before, and you're taking it as a problem.

0:27:54.240 --> 0:27:58.200
<v Speaker 1>And that's the thing that I'm seeing that it seems

0:27:58.200 --> 0:28:01.440
<v Speaker 1>to be like the new paradigm for viewing beavers as

0:28:01.440 --> 0:28:04.400
<v Speaker 1>far as their relationship to humans. It's like, really, what's

0:28:04.600 --> 0:28:08.119
<v Speaker 1>what's the problem. If it's yes, they're damaging crop land. Okay,

0:28:08.119 --> 0:28:10.479
<v Speaker 1>that's a problem. If they're killing timberland, that's a problem.

0:28:10.600 --> 0:28:13.920
<v Speaker 1>If they've if they're washing out a road, that's a problem.

0:28:14.000 --> 0:28:16.680
<v Speaker 1>But if they just created a wetland that wasn't there

0:28:16.720 --> 0:28:19.320
<v Speaker 1>before on your property where you bought the property and

0:28:19.359 --> 0:28:21.639
<v Speaker 1>it was dry and now there's a wetland there that

0:28:21.720 --> 0:28:24.960
<v Speaker 1>you didn't plan for, is it really a problem? And

0:28:25.000 --> 0:28:27.320
<v Speaker 1>I think that's what they're saying, is that seventy five

0:28:27.320 --> 0:28:31.360
<v Speaker 1>percent of the people who are asked that question will say, actually,

0:28:31.400 --> 0:28:33.440
<v Speaker 1>I guess it's not. I'm going to learn to love

0:28:33.480 --> 0:28:35.119
<v Speaker 1>the beaver. I love beaver.

0:28:36.280 --> 0:28:39.320
<v Speaker 2>Yeah. And you know, it really gets my dander up

0:28:39.320 --> 0:28:43.200
<v Speaker 2>when I this lake that I go to the Facebook page,

0:28:43.200 --> 0:28:45.800
<v Speaker 2>there are people, you know, people post like, hey, it

0:28:45.840 --> 0:28:47.760
<v Speaker 2>looks like I have a beaver eating on my trees,

0:28:48.440 --> 0:28:51.720
<v Speaker 2>and you know these some of these people literally are like, yep,

0:28:51.760 --> 0:28:54.440
<v Speaker 2>I'll take care of that with my twelve gageah. And

0:28:54.480 --> 0:28:57.560
<v Speaker 2>it's just like, you don't. I've never understood the people

0:28:57.600 --> 0:29:00.720
<v Speaker 2>who want to move to nature to kill the Yeah.

0:29:00.760 --> 0:29:02.480
<v Speaker 1>I know, it's just it's.

0:29:02.400 --> 0:29:06.600
<v Speaker 2>Unnerving and I have seen some beaver damage and I

0:29:06.640 --> 0:29:09.720
<v Speaker 2>love it. I welcome it, So yeah, you eat all

0:29:09.720 --> 0:29:10.280
<v Speaker 2>you want.

0:29:10.240 --> 0:29:12.120
<v Speaker 1>You would be one of the seventy five percent who

0:29:12.160 --> 0:29:15.640
<v Speaker 1>would say, like, no, it's no problem whatever. You probably

0:29:15.640 --> 0:29:17.840
<v Speaker 1>wouldn't even say it was an issue. You wouldn't even

0:29:17.880 --> 0:29:19.360
<v Speaker 1>be asked that question. You would just know from the

0:29:19.360 --> 0:29:20.840
<v Speaker 1>outset that it's not a problem.

0:29:21.120 --> 0:29:22.560
<v Speaker 2>I call that a beaver beavering.

0:29:23.280 --> 0:29:23.880
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, that's right.

0:29:23.880 --> 0:29:24.720
<v Speaker 2>Beaver's going to beaver.

0:29:25.200 --> 0:29:28.000
<v Speaker 1>And so we know now that, like they are a

0:29:28.080 --> 0:29:31.680
<v Speaker 1>keystone species. They're so important that it's great. The impression

0:29:31.680 --> 0:29:35.240
<v Speaker 1>I'm getting is it's kind of like, no, it's not

0:29:35.360 --> 0:29:38.280
<v Speaker 1>really a problem. So you can't touch that beaver, don't

0:29:38.320 --> 0:29:40.360
<v Speaker 1>shoot that beaver. You're going to get in big trouble

0:29:40.360 --> 0:29:43.000
<v Speaker 1>depending on where you are for shooting a beaver when

0:29:43.000 --> 0:29:46.120
<v Speaker 1>it wasn't creating a problem, which I love because they

0:29:46.120 --> 0:29:49.400
<v Speaker 1>should be protected because again not just the fact that

0:29:49.400 --> 0:29:52.240
<v Speaker 1>they were almost hunted to extinction. They provide so many

0:29:52.400 --> 0:29:55.880
<v Speaker 1>really important services. I don't even know if we talked

0:29:55.880 --> 0:29:59.320
<v Speaker 1>about it. There are two others, Chuck, They prevent flooding.

0:30:00.000 --> 0:30:03.000
<v Speaker 1>Three others. They prevent flooding by slowing the flow of

0:30:03.080 --> 0:30:06.360
<v Speaker 1>water so things downstream from the dam don't get overwhelmed

0:30:06.360 --> 0:30:10.240
<v Speaker 1>as much. Right, the stuff in the dam helps recharge

0:30:10.280 --> 0:30:13.280
<v Speaker 1>aquifers below. Whereas before there's just a little stream trickling

0:30:13.280 --> 0:30:15.760
<v Speaker 1>over it was doing jack for the aquifer. Now the

0:30:15.760 --> 0:30:18.640
<v Speaker 1>aquifer is getting recharged on the daily. And then the

0:30:18.680 --> 0:30:22.840
<v Speaker 1>third one is they provide natural fire breaks, which helps

0:30:23.160 --> 0:30:26.160
<v Speaker 1>cane forest fires. Yeah.

0:30:26.440 --> 0:30:28.160
<v Speaker 2>I have a feeling when we're done, we're gonna be

0:30:28.240 --> 0:30:29.960
<v Speaker 2>mad because there were like three more things we didn't

0:30:30.000 --> 0:30:30.400
<v Speaker 2>think about.

0:30:30.600 --> 0:30:32.760
<v Speaker 1>That happens to me a lot and drives me nuts.

0:30:34.400 --> 0:30:36.800
<v Speaker 2>Here's some of the things that people do try and

0:30:36.880 --> 0:30:39.440
<v Speaker 2>do though to mitigate their what they perceive as their

0:30:39.480 --> 0:30:40.240
<v Speaker 2>beaver problems.

0:30:40.320 --> 0:30:43.800
<v Speaker 1>Yet Yeah, no, because they do create some problems as

0:30:43.800 --> 0:30:45.680
<v Speaker 1>far as human settlement is concerned.

0:30:46.280 --> 0:30:50.240
<v Speaker 2>They will use beaver pipes, and this is basically plastic

0:30:50.320 --> 0:30:53.400
<v Speaker 2>pipes that you put in a beaver dam to route

0:30:53.440 --> 0:30:56.440
<v Speaker 2>that water to where you want. It helps control the

0:30:56.440 --> 0:30:57.800
<v Speaker 2>flooding that beavers can cause.

0:30:57.880 --> 0:31:01.400
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, it's like so long that the beaver's like it

0:31:01.480 --> 0:31:03.800
<v Speaker 1>doesn't think to go to the end of the pipes.

0:31:03.840 --> 0:31:05.880
<v Speaker 1>It just sees that there's something around its dam, and

0:31:05.960 --> 0:31:08.680
<v Speaker 1>it probably dams up around the pipe, but that still

0:31:08.760 --> 0:31:10.320
<v Speaker 1>lets the flow of water go through.

0:31:10.720 --> 0:31:12.520
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, this is kind of cool. They will build a

0:31:12.560 --> 0:31:16.000
<v Speaker 2>pre dam If they want beavers away from a certain

0:31:16.040 --> 0:31:19.480
<v Speaker 2>place and in a different place, they'll basically say, hey,

0:31:19.600 --> 0:31:22.520
<v Speaker 2>look over here, we got this fence. It's like a

0:31:22.520 --> 0:31:25.720
<v Speaker 2>foundation for your new home. Right, It's kind of you

0:31:25.760 --> 0:31:27.719
<v Speaker 2>got ten percent of your work is already done. Why

0:31:27.720 --> 0:31:30.200
<v Speaker 2>don't you to start here. So they'll do that, Yeah,

0:31:30.240 --> 0:31:35.560
<v Speaker 2>the beaver says, hot dog. And then another thing is

0:31:35.600 --> 0:31:38.080
<v Speaker 2>to design that. Well, there's two times of fences. There's

0:31:38.120 --> 0:31:41.440
<v Speaker 2>the pre damn fence that encourages them to come, and

0:31:41.480 --> 0:31:44.680
<v Speaker 2>then there is another kind of fence to keep them

0:31:44.680 --> 0:31:46.080
<v Speaker 2>from building there in the first place.

0:31:46.360 --> 0:31:50.480
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, those are called beaver deceivers, and they are. It's

0:31:50.520 --> 0:31:53.880
<v Speaker 1>just basically so like a culvert is a frequent place

0:31:53.920 --> 0:31:56.040
<v Speaker 1>that a beaver likes to dam up, and that's where

0:31:56.040 --> 0:31:59.680
<v Speaker 1>it causes a lot of damage because culverts are helped

0:31:59.720 --> 0:32:02.640
<v Speaker 1>are to help drain water, to keep roadways stable and

0:32:02.720 --> 0:32:05.680
<v Speaker 1>that kind of thing. Right, So you would just basically

0:32:05.760 --> 0:32:09.040
<v Speaker 1>put a fence radiating out from either side of the

0:32:09.080 --> 0:32:12.080
<v Speaker 1>culvert outward and an angle kind of like in a

0:32:12.200 --> 0:32:16.160
<v Speaker 1>V shape, and then those two fences are connected by

0:32:16.280 --> 0:32:18.560
<v Speaker 1>another fence between the two. So it's just basically like

0:32:18.600 --> 0:32:21.120
<v Speaker 1>a triangle that ends in the culvert. The key is

0:32:21.160 --> 0:32:24.240
<v Speaker 1>if you make those fences long enough, I think twelve

0:32:24.240 --> 0:32:26.920
<v Speaker 1>feet minimum or something like that, the beaver is going

0:32:27.000 --> 0:32:28.960
<v Speaker 1>to be like nuts to this. This just isn't even

0:32:29.040 --> 0:32:30.640
<v Speaker 1>worth it. I'm not going to try to build a

0:32:30.720 --> 0:32:32.959
<v Speaker 1>dam here, or if it does start to build a dam,

0:32:33.040 --> 0:32:36.120
<v Speaker 1>it's going to give up eventually, and your culvert is

0:32:36.200 --> 0:32:39.160
<v Speaker 1>saved without the beaver being hurt or harm. The beaver

0:32:39.280 --> 0:32:41.600
<v Speaker 1>just moves on to a different spot that it likes.

0:32:42.200 --> 0:32:44.480
<v Speaker 2>Right, And if you have a tree that you really

0:32:44.520 --> 0:32:47.560
<v Speaker 2>love that you see has some beaver activity, you can

0:32:47.600 --> 0:32:49.640
<v Speaker 2>wrap like chicken wire around the base of it if

0:32:49.680 --> 0:32:52.479
<v Speaker 2>you want. There's also some special paint that you can

0:32:52.520 --> 0:32:55.920
<v Speaker 2>paint on the trunk that apparently beavers don't like. If

0:32:55.960 --> 0:32:58.480
<v Speaker 2>you want to protect a certain tree.

0:32:58.560 --> 0:33:00.400
<v Speaker 1>It's like the nail biting stuff whole bit.

0:33:00.960 --> 0:33:03.360
<v Speaker 2>Oh my god, somebody wrote in about that.

0:33:04.040 --> 0:33:05.520
<v Speaker 1>What did they say? I didn't see, though.

0:33:05.560 --> 0:33:07.479
<v Speaker 2>I think they were just asking, like what it was.

0:33:08.080 --> 0:33:10.640
<v Speaker 2>I'm sure they still have it, but I don't remember

0:33:10.680 --> 0:33:11.040
<v Speaker 2>what it was.

0:33:11.200 --> 0:33:13.719
<v Speaker 1>I believe remember lee press on nails. I think they

0:33:13.760 --> 0:33:15.400
<v Speaker 1>had a sideline in that stuff.

0:33:15.720 --> 0:33:18.520
<v Speaker 2>I'm sure it was. It's probably just like clear nail polish. Yeah,

0:33:18.640 --> 0:33:21.080
<v Speaker 2>but it tastes like garbage. Yeah, that tasted really bad.

0:33:21.760 --> 0:33:24.400
<v Speaker 2>Tasted like what what I thought, it was like hot? No,

0:33:24.560 --> 0:33:25.080
<v Speaker 2>it was bitter.

0:33:25.640 --> 0:33:27.560
<v Speaker 1>Oh okay, yeah, I wouldn't like that at all.

0:33:27.720 --> 0:33:31.040
<v Speaker 2>That was very bitter. I don't think we mentioned the

0:33:32.040 --> 0:33:33.600
<v Speaker 2>I mean we should talk a little bit. We talked

0:33:33.600 --> 0:33:37.160
<v Speaker 2>about the kits. But they do live in large groups.

0:33:37.160 --> 0:33:41.760
<v Speaker 2>They're very social. They're called colonies, and they mate in

0:33:41.800 --> 0:33:43.920
<v Speaker 2>the winter during the first few months of the year.

0:33:44.720 --> 0:33:48.160
<v Speaker 2>The Eurasian beaver gestates for sixty to one hundred and

0:33:48.160 --> 0:33:50.600
<v Speaker 2>twenty eight days and have one to six little babies,

0:33:51.480 --> 0:33:56.240
<v Speaker 2>and the American beaver's gestate from one hundred to about

0:33:56.240 --> 0:33:58.040
<v Speaker 2>one hundred and five to one hundred and seven days,

0:33:58.520 --> 0:34:01.760
<v Speaker 2>again one to four little kits, and they are weaned

0:34:02.200 --> 0:34:04.720
<v Speaker 2>around two weeks of age, whereas the Eurasian beaver is

0:34:04.760 --> 0:34:06.720
<v Speaker 2>weaned it about six weeks of age.

0:34:07.760 --> 0:34:11.000
<v Speaker 1>Right, And so, Chuck, I saw that beavers tend to live,

0:34:11.320 --> 0:34:14.200
<v Speaker 1>like you said, they were monogamous typically. I said that

0:34:14.200 --> 0:34:16.520
<v Speaker 1>they live about ten to fifteen years in the wild,

0:34:17.160 --> 0:34:19.600
<v Speaker 1>which is so cute. But you can also build a

0:34:19.600 --> 0:34:22.919
<v Speaker 1>pretty respectable dam in that time too. And I think

0:34:22.960 --> 0:34:27.600
<v Speaker 1>actually the largest dam that they've ever seen. Is they

0:34:27.680 --> 0:34:31.600
<v Speaker 1>think it is from many, many, many generations of beavers

0:34:31.600 --> 0:34:33.440
<v Speaker 1>staying and working on it in Alberta.

0:34:33.560 --> 0:34:37.439
<v Speaker 2>Right, Yeah, it's huge, and I guess everyone just got

0:34:37.440 --> 0:34:38.440
<v Speaker 2>in on the party.

0:34:38.719 --> 0:34:41.719
<v Speaker 1>Yeah. They think since the seventies that some beavers have

0:34:41.800 --> 0:34:44.840
<v Speaker 1>been keeping it very appropriate. Yeah, pretty much.

0:34:45.239 --> 0:34:47.520
<v Speaker 2>And those little kids, by the way, can swim about

0:34:48.040 --> 0:34:51.000
<v Speaker 2>just one day after they're born, they're already swimming around.

0:34:51.200 --> 0:34:54.440
<v Speaker 1>Right, So, like we said, I think that they are.

0:34:56.320 --> 0:34:58.879
<v Speaker 1>I think that they become sexually mature at age three.

0:35:00.120 --> 0:35:03.359
<v Speaker 1>On that time they're going to start producing something called

0:35:03.440 --> 0:35:10.239
<v Speaker 1>castorum or castorium, right, yeah. And castorium is like a

0:35:10.280 --> 0:35:12.279
<v Speaker 1>lot of people think that it's like the origin of

0:35:12.320 --> 0:35:15.440
<v Speaker 1>castor oil. It's not correct. From the castor bean. I

0:35:15.520 --> 0:35:18.479
<v Speaker 1>believe this stuff is like the opposite of castor oil.

0:35:18.480 --> 0:35:20.960
<v Speaker 1>It actually like tastes and smells like really good.

0:35:21.960 --> 0:35:25.200
<v Speaker 2>Yeah. I mean it's it's used. It's the FDA says

0:35:25.239 --> 0:35:27.520
<v Speaker 2>you can eat it. It's one of those grass remember,

0:35:27.600 --> 0:35:32.200
<v Speaker 2>generally recognized as safe ingredients. And the thing is that

0:35:32.280 --> 0:35:34.800
<v Speaker 2>there's just not a lot of it. It's very tough

0:35:34.840 --> 0:35:36.640
<v Speaker 2>to and it's a lot of work to go out

0:35:36.640 --> 0:35:40.640
<v Speaker 2>there and try and extract this flavor ingredient from the

0:35:40.640 --> 0:35:45.239
<v Speaker 2>beaver tail. I think it says two hundred about two

0:35:45.320 --> 0:35:50.400
<v Speaker 2>hundred and ninety two pounds annually total, so imagine it's expensive.

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<v Speaker 1>It is very expensive, and you can still find in

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<v Speaker 1>some places. I think I saw a whiskey that uses

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<v Speaker 1>it Chanelle's perfume. What is it called kar de RUSSI.

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<v Speaker 1>I believe it still uses it, really, And it's a

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<v Speaker 1>flavor ingredient too, because it's like you're saying, it's generally

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<v Speaker 1>recognized as safe, but it also adds like a vanilla

0:36:14.800 --> 0:36:18.279
<v Speaker 1>raspberry flavor. That's what it tastes like to humans. And

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<v Speaker 1>they think that there are some ice creams out there

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<v Speaker 1>that still may use that, like old timey ice creams

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<v Speaker 1>that use beaver castorium, like beaver scent. It's what it is.

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<v Speaker 1>It's beaver musk. Yeah, it just so happens that beaver

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<v Speaker 1>musk tastes like raspberry vanilla to humans. Yeah, but they

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<v Speaker 1>were hunted for a really long time, which kind of

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<v Speaker 1>led to this one myth, didn't it.

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<v Speaker 2>The testicle myth?

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah?

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, Up until about the eleven hundred's, people thought beavers

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<v Speaker 2>eight or bit off their own testicles, and apparently this

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<v Speaker 2>has its origins in ancient Egypt. In medieval Europe it

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<v Speaker 2>continued where I think the what they said was that

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<v Speaker 2>beavers knew that hunters were coming after them because of

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<v Speaker 2>that castorium which originated in their testicles. And none of

0:37:11.360 --> 0:37:13.959
<v Speaker 2>this is true. I think their testicles they don't even

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<v Speaker 2>have hangers, right, No.

0:37:16.200 --> 0:37:19.759
<v Speaker 1>They don't, They're located inside them, which automatically disqualifies it.

0:37:19.800 --> 0:37:23.719
<v Speaker 1>But also so the beavers were basically saying like, no,

0:37:23.960 --> 0:37:27.040
<v Speaker 1>you can't have my tastorium. I can't have it anymore either.

0:37:27.080 --> 0:37:29.799
<v Speaker 1>I would rather bite off my own testicles than let

0:37:29.840 --> 0:37:32.920
<v Speaker 1>you have them. I guess maybe as a survival mechanism,

0:37:32.960 --> 0:37:35.200
<v Speaker 1>like they thought that the body would leave them alone

0:37:35.239 --> 0:37:38.120
<v Speaker 1>if they didn't have testicles. But maybe no, that's not

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<v Speaker 1>true at all. And then there's one other great fact, Chuck,

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<v Speaker 1>that I think you got to take to take us

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<v Speaker 1>out with.

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<v Speaker 2>The Yeah, the pope in the sixteenth century said, you

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<v Speaker 2>know what, that tale is pretty scaly, and they sure

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<v Speaker 2>are in the water a lot. So during the fasting days,

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<v Speaker 2>go ahead and eat that beaver.

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<v Speaker 1>It's close enough to yep, exactly. It qualifies as a fish.

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<v Speaker 1>So you could eat beaver back in the sixteenth century

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<v Speaker 1>thanks to the pope.

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<v Speaker 2>That's right, as far as I know, it teased early

0:38:10.560 --> 0:38:14.200
<v Speaker 2>if they were dangerous, they're not. Beavers are very nice

0:38:14.560 --> 0:38:18.440
<v Speaker 2>little fellas and ladies. And if there is a beaver

0:38:18.760 --> 0:38:22.239
<v Speaker 2>that attacks somebody, it will make the news because it's

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<v Speaker 2>so rare, and it probably means they're really sick.

0:38:24.840 --> 0:38:29.600
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, they, like all mammals, can get rabies, but like porcupines.

0:38:29.680 --> 0:38:31.520
<v Speaker 1>I get the impression that that's one of the few

0:38:32.520 --> 0:38:35.879
<v Speaker 1>diseases you can get from a beaver. The thing is

0:38:35.880 --> 0:38:38.919
<v Speaker 1>is if they are rabid and they do charge at you,

0:38:38.960 --> 0:38:41.400
<v Speaker 1>they can do some serious damage with those teeth, Like

0:38:41.760 --> 0:38:45.000
<v Speaker 1>they can chew through three foot diameter trees, they can

0:38:45.080 --> 0:38:48.000
<v Speaker 1>bite through your skin, and so if you get too

0:38:48.000 --> 0:38:50.640
<v Speaker 1>close to a beaver, it can have bad effects. It's

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<v Speaker 1>just like you said, it's extremely rare. But I saw

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<v Speaker 1>at least one guy's died from them in the last

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<v Speaker 1>decade or so, right.

0:38:57.840 --> 0:38:58.759
<v Speaker 2>That was just bad luck.

0:38:59.320 --> 0:39:02.200
<v Speaker 1>So a guy, Tila Russ was trying to get a

0:39:02.239 --> 0:39:04.360
<v Speaker 1>picture of a beaver and got too close and the

0:39:04.400 --> 0:39:07.279
<v Speaker 1>thing bit him in his thigh and bit through his

0:39:07.440 --> 0:39:09.920
<v Speaker 1>femoral artery and the guy bled to death from a

0:39:09.960 --> 0:39:15.280
<v Speaker 1>beaver attack. He died from a beaver attack. His family

0:39:15.280 --> 0:39:17.560
<v Speaker 1>has to live like that for the rest of their lives.

0:39:18.840 --> 0:39:22.680
<v Speaker 1>Beaver attack, I don't know, and there's been some other

0:39:22.719 --> 0:39:25.480
<v Speaker 1>attacks too, But yeah, I think they just kind of

0:39:25.480 --> 0:39:29.360
<v Speaker 1>give beaver's bad name unwarrantedly. Don't you shot through the

0:39:29.480 --> 0:39:34.080
<v Speaker 1>flag and you're too blame you give beaver's a bad name.

0:39:34.680 --> 0:39:39.160
<v Speaker 1>Oh goodness, Todd, Well, I guess that's it for beaver's Huh,

0:39:39.200 --> 0:39:41.480
<v Speaker 1>that's it. I'm glad we finally got to do this one.

0:39:41.719 --> 0:39:42.840
<v Speaker 2>Leave them alone.

0:39:43.160 --> 0:39:45.600
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, let them do their beaver thing. Beaver in, like

0:39:45.719 --> 0:39:49.279
<v Speaker 1>Chuck says, be's going to beaver if you want to

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<v Speaker 1>know more about beavers, So then by God, you go

0:39:52.080 --> 0:39:55.000
<v Speaker 1>find some beavers and study them from afar because they

0:39:55.000 --> 0:39:58.080
<v Speaker 1>are nature's miracles. And since I said that, it's time

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<v Speaker 1>for listener male.

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<v Speaker 2>All right, I'm gonna call this Brave Angels. Hey, guys,

0:40:07.280 --> 0:40:09.800
<v Speaker 2>listen to your episode on Swing States. You mentioned the

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<v Speaker 2>dangerous level of polarization going on between reds and blues

0:40:13.560 --> 0:40:14.080
<v Speaker 2>in America.

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<v Speaker 1>Oh yeah, thanks for reading this one.

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<v Speaker 2>You're welcome. And I wanted to let you know that

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<v Speaker 2>there's something we can do about it. There's a great

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<v Speaker 2>grassroots organization with a specific goal of depolarizing America called

0:40:25.040 --> 0:40:28.840
<v Speaker 2>braver Angels, which organizes events to bring reds and blues

0:40:28.840 --> 0:40:32.200
<v Speaker 2>together to have real, nuanced discussions about things they disagree

0:40:32.200 --> 0:40:34.759
<v Speaker 2>about and help us understand and respect each other.

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<v Speaker 1>That's great, It is great.

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<v Speaker 2>That's quite yeah. I would love to peek in on

0:40:40.560 --> 0:40:43.200
<v Speaker 2>one of these meetings and maybe go to one. They're

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<v Speaker 2>doing a lot of online events now due to COVID

0:40:45.160 --> 0:40:48.520
<v Speaker 2>and among other things, just launched a campaign called Hold

0:40:48.560 --> 0:40:52.440
<v Speaker 2>America Together to prepare a response to potential election related

0:40:52.440 --> 0:40:55.680
<v Speaker 2>conflict in November. Could you please tell your listeners about

0:40:55.680 --> 0:40:58.600
<v Speaker 2>Braver Angels. Yes, and help keep our country together because

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<v Speaker 2>America needs this. Love to all the reds and blues

0:41:01.400 --> 0:41:03.560
<v Speaker 2>out there, and you guys are great at what you do.

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<v Speaker 2>Join the braver Angels. That is from Christa, and just

0:41:06.440 --> 0:41:10.799
<v Speaker 2>go to braver Angels dot org. B A R A

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<v Speaker 2>v E r A n g e l s dot org.

0:41:14.920 --> 0:41:17.880
<v Speaker 1>B R A v r A n g e l

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<v Speaker 1>s dot org.

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<v Speaker 2>That is correct.

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<v Speaker 1>Okay, cool, that's fantastic. Thank you, Christa, and thanks to

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<v Speaker 1>all the braver angels out there who are trying to

0:41:26.320 --> 0:41:29.560
<v Speaker 1>keep the country together because, like Christa said, we kind

0:41:29.560 --> 0:41:30.439
<v Speaker 1>of need it right now.

0:41:30.760 --> 0:41:33.800
<v Speaker 2>And it is brave, it's it's uh, it's daunting to

0:41:33.840 --> 0:41:35.839
<v Speaker 2>step outside your echo chamber.

0:41:36.000 --> 0:41:38.520
<v Speaker 1>Oh man, it is. And it's just harder and harder

0:41:38.560 --> 0:41:41.800
<v Speaker 1>because you know, the echoes have gotten stronger and stronger,

0:41:41.840 --> 0:41:43.880
<v Speaker 1>so to hear something other than that, it's like just

0:41:44.440 --> 0:41:46.359
<v Speaker 1>almost like makes your brain melt, you know.

0:41:46.520 --> 0:41:47.759
<v Speaker 2>Pretty neat all.

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