1
00:00:00,720 --> 00:00:03,560
Speaker 1: You are listening to the Dan Patrick Show on Fox

2
00:00:03,600 --> 00:00:04,440
Speaker 1: Sports Radio.

3
00:00:04,680 --> 00:00:06,040
Speaker 2: I am fascinated though.

4
00:00:07,520 --> 00:00:10,520
Speaker 3: It's it's interesting that all of the dan Nets were

5
00:00:10,520 --> 00:00:14,800
Speaker 3: talking about watching the Combine and almost feeling like they

6
00:00:14,800 --> 00:00:18,640
Speaker 3: were doing something dirty. Marvin goes, I got caught watching

7
00:00:18,680 --> 00:00:22,360
Speaker 3: the combine. I go, wait, that's part of your job,

8
00:00:23,200 --> 00:00:24,079
Speaker 3: getting caught.

9
00:00:24,440 --> 00:00:27,400
Speaker 2: What does that mean? You got caught watching the combine?

10
00:00:27,840 --> 00:00:28,040
Speaker 4: Yeah?

11
00:00:28,080 --> 00:00:30,120
Speaker 5: It was real awkward. I'm in the living room. My

12
00:00:30,120 --> 00:00:32,599
Speaker 5: wife comes down the stairs like, what are you watching?

13
00:00:32,680 --> 00:00:37,240
Speaker 5: And I turned around. I'm sorry, and if she just

14
00:00:37,280 --> 00:00:39,120
Speaker 5: looks at me, she goes, Boy, the NFL has a

15
00:00:39,240 --> 00:00:40,480
Speaker 5: choke hold on you guys.

16
00:00:40,600 --> 00:00:43,720
Speaker 2: Yes, that is true. Yes, Tom, I've been caught by

17
00:00:43,720 --> 00:00:45,479
Speaker 2: the wife for other reasons. But I'm glad he had

18
00:00:45,479 --> 00:00:47,080
Speaker 2: the cleaner combine version.

19
00:00:49,600 --> 00:00:52,199
Speaker 6: They just need to combine the two. Maybe that's a

20
00:00:52,240 --> 00:00:55,280
Speaker 6: new business. Says well, I'm don combine dot com. Honey,

21
00:00:55,280 --> 00:01:00,000
Speaker 6: what's the big deal. It sounds like a dating site.

22
00:01:00,880 --> 00:01:04,320
Speaker 6: Let's come, let's combine combine. I'm looking at players.

23
00:01:04,400 --> 00:01:10,880
Speaker 2: Yeah, wipe right, all right? Eight seven seven three DP show.

24
00:01:10,720 --> 00:01:15,039
Speaker 5: He's got oily hips, show me that shuffle cone drillbnder O.

25
00:01:18,400 --> 00:01:21,720
Speaker 3: Daniel Jeremiah will join us on loan from NFL Network,

26
00:01:21,800 --> 00:01:25,440
Speaker 3: and he's been revealing arm length and we'll talk to

27
00:01:25,520 --> 00:01:29,080
Speaker 3: him as we lead up to the Draft in Pittsburgh.

28
00:01:29,120 --> 00:01:31,720
Speaker 3: And yes, we will take the show to Pittsburgh for

29
00:01:31,760 --> 00:01:35,440
Speaker 3: three days for the draft in April. Robert ori Orio,

30
00:01:35,920 --> 00:01:39,800
Speaker 3: seven time NBA champ, he'll join us coming up as well.

31
00:01:40,280 --> 00:01:42,760
Speaker 3: All right, poll question for the first hour the program

32
00:01:42,880 --> 00:01:44,640
Speaker 3: is going to be what season it.

33
00:01:44,720 --> 00:01:47,040
Speaker 6: Might have to be combine related? If that's a dirty

34
00:01:48,000 --> 00:01:52,720
Speaker 6: habit or not good creek. I think that that's really funny.

35
00:01:54,680 --> 00:01:55,280
Speaker 2: Yeah.

36
00:01:55,400 --> 00:01:58,560
Speaker 6: Why is it though that when you watch the Combine

37
00:01:58,600 --> 00:02:03,680
Speaker 6: it does feel like, man, I'm really diving deep into this. Yeah,

38
00:02:03,680 --> 00:02:06,000
Speaker 6: it is fascinating that we'll watch this because I do.

39
00:02:06,120 --> 00:02:08,800
Speaker 6: I do tend to watch it every year. Like I

40
00:02:08,840 --> 00:02:12,080
Speaker 6: watched yesterday. Was offensive, lineman, I want to say, and

41
00:02:12,120 --> 00:02:14,760
Speaker 6: it was fascinating. Like the dude's going around a cone,

42
00:02:14,800 --> 00:02:16,880
Speaker 6: his foot slips out, he drops down to his knees.

43
00:02:17,120 --> 00:02:19,000
Speaker 2: You know that that kid is crushed right now. His

44
00:02:19,080 --> 00:02:21,639
Speaker 2: parents are watching, They're like, oh, no, you should have

45
00:02:21,680 --> 00:02:24,320
Speaker 2: worn the other cleats. That's gonna drop him to the

46
00:02:24,320 --> 00:02:25,919
Speaker 2: fifth round. That's tough.

47
00:02:26,000 --> 00:02:26,240
Speaker 6: Man.

48
00:02:26,919 --> 00:02:30,920
Speaker 3: Get ready for this because there's only one legitimate quarterback,

49
00:02:31,080 --> 00:02:34,760
Speaker 3: first round quarterback. That's Bernanda Mendoza. But you will get

50
00:02:34,760 --> 00:02:38,399
Speaker 3: an onslought of publicity for Ty Simpson, the Alabama quarterback.

51
00:02:38,720 --> 00:02:42,680
Speaker 3: Happens every year where we will you gotta have something

52
00:02:42,720 --> 00:02:45,600
Speaker 3: to talk about, and you're gonna have them build people

53
00:02:45,680 --> 00:02:48,240
Speaker 3: up and then you're gonna have them tear people down

54
00:02:48,639 --> 00:02:51,560
Speaker 3: and then somewhere in between is where they're going to

55
00:02:51,639 --> 00:02:53,360
Speaker 3: end up as we go into the draft. But I

56
00:02:53,360 --> 00:02:56,640
Speaker 3: think Ty Simpson from Alabama will get a lot more

57
00:02:56,960 --> 00:03:00,680
Speaker 3: love than he's getting right now because we're trying to,

58
00:03:00,919 --> 00:03:03,320
Speaker 3: you know, bolster that first time. You know, when you

59
00:03:03,320 --> 00:03:06,160
Speaker 3: think of the draft, mame. We were so spoiled a

60
00:03:06,200 --> 00:03:09,359
Speaker 3: couple of years ago where you got all these quarterbacks

61
00:03:09,639 --> 00:03:13,040
Speaker 3: and that's what this is about, you know. And I've

62
00:03:13,040 --> 00:03:15,320
Speaker 3: gone to these drafts before where you get a fan

63
00:03:15,400 --> 00:03:17,040
Speaker 3: base there and all of a sudden they're on the

64
00:03:17,040 --> 00:03:19,560
Speaker 3: clock and then all of a sudden they say, and

65
00:03:19,639 --> 00:03:24,680
Speaker 3: the Buffalo Bills take you know, Jimmy Lipper, offensive guard

66
00:03:24,800 --> 00:03:27,560
Speaker 3: in C State and they're like yeah, and they have

67
00:03:27,639 --> 00:03:30,640
Speaker 3: no idea who they're getting. All you want to know

68
00:03:30,760 --> 00:03:33,960
Speaker 3: is do we got a skilled position guy? Are we

69
00:03:34,000 --> 00:03:36,880
Speaker 3: going to get an edge rusher here. That's all that

70
00:03:37,000 --> 00:03:41,000
Speaker 3: you care about, Yes, Marvin, Yeah, I've worked the NFL

71
00:03:41,080 --> 00:03:42,200
Speaker 3: draft and I've been to one. We went to one

72
00:03:42,240 --> 00:03:44,840
Speaker 3: in Green Bay, and the fan base when you draft

73
00:03:44,880 --> 00:03:47,200
Speaker 3: a skill position guy, a quarterback, running back, wide receiver,

74
00:03:47,240 --> 00:03:50,000
Speaker 3: all right, let's go. Let's go, and then this offensive

75
00:03:50,040 --> 00:03:53,920
Speaker 3: tackle or offensive guard or detackle all right, Okay, okay,

76
00:03:54,000 --> 00:03:56,960
Speaker 3: sending up the line. Okay, but that's how you win

77
00:03:57,040 --> 00:04:01,720
Speaker 3: in the NFL, is the offensive line, defensive line. But

78
00:04:01,760 --> 00:04:04,640
Speaker 3: we're so it's just like the Raiders might be committing

79
00:04:04,640 --> 00:04:08,400
Speaker 3: malpractice by drafting Fernando Mendoza and not having a good

80
00:04:08,400 --> 00:04:11,839
Speaker 3: offensive line. You draft asked in Genti and you don't

81
00:04:11,880 --> 00:04:16,120
Speaker 3: have a good offensive line. Hopefully he gets an opportunity

82
00:04:16,160 --> 00:04:20,039
Speaker 3: to ease in to the quarterbacking position, because I don't

83
00:04:20,040 --> 00:04:22,520
Speaker 3: want him starting week one. Even if he's ready to

84
00:04:22,560 --> 00:04:25,120
Speaker 3: start week one, he's not going to be ready to start.

85
00:04:25,640 --> 00:04:28,480
Speaker 3: And I hope that they give him an opportunity where hey,

86
00:04:28,760 --> 00:04:31,719
Speaker 3: let's bolster the offensive line and give him a chance,

87
00:04:32,000 --> 00:04:35,960
Speaker 3: because if not, then you're going to have a similar

88
00:04:36,000 --> 00:04:38,360
Speaker 3: situation to what you had last year with the Raiders

89
00:04:38,400 --> 00:04:41,360
Speaker 3: when they had one of the worst offensive lines in football.

90
00:04:41,760 --> 00:04:45,640
Speaker 6: Yes, Seden, do they have the ability to fix both

91
00:04:47,080 --> 00:04:50,640
Speaker 6: sometime between now and the start of the next season.

92
00:04:50,880 --> 00:04:53,320
Speaker 3: Well, let me see what you do in the draft

93
00:04:53,520 --> 00:04:57,040
Speaker 3: if or you're going to be able to sign players.

94
00:04:57,360 --> 00:05:02,040
Speaker 3: But yes, you got to have an offensive line, But.

95
00:05:02,000 --> 00:05:04,600
Speaker 2: Didn't you need one for the superstar running back that.

96
00:05:04,560 --> 00:05:07,160
Speaker 3: You just too Yes, and that's I don't know if

97
00:05:07,440 --> 00:05:10,520
Speaker 3: I don't know if Ashton gent is going to be

98
00:05:10,560 --> 00:05:12,400
Speaker 3: a great running back. I don't know if he's going

99
00:05:12,480 --> 00:05:16,040
Speaker 3: to be a Jamior Gibbs kind of player. I mean,

100
00:05:16,080 --> 00:05:20,719
Speaker 3: he was fascinating in college, but this is the NFL

101
00:05:21,640 --> 00:05:25,039
Speaker 3: and I think this will be a big year for

102
00:05:25,120 --> 00:05:28,039
Speaker 3: him coming up to see are you able to rely

103
00:05:28,160 --> 00:05:30,400
Speaker 3: on him? And there were times when he had I mean,

104
00:05:30,440 --> 00:05:32,960
Speaker 3: he had moments, but still you got to have an

105
00:05:33,000 --> 00:05:38,760
Speaker 3: offensive line and those teams that do you protect your quarterback?

106
00:05:39,240 --> 00:05:42,080
Speaker 3: And I mean New England was able to go to

107
00:05:42,120 --> 00:05:45,360
Speaker 3: the Super Bowl. They went out and bolstered their offensive line. Now,

108
00:05:45,400 --> 00:05:47,800
Speaker 3: granted that offensive line didn't look good good in the

109
00:05:47,800 --> 00:05:51,280
Speaker 3: playoffs and certainly the Super Bowl, but they gave Drake

110
00:05:51,320 --> 00:05:54,599
Speaker 3: May a chance. And same thing with the Bears with

111
00:05:54,680 --> 00:05:57,320
Speaker 3: Caleb Williams. I kept saying, you got to get an

112
00:05:57,320 --> 00:06:01,520
Speaker 3: offensive line, and they went out and signed three offensive linemen.

113
00:06:02,080 --> 00:06:04,039
Speaker 3: If you're going to have a great quarterback or the

114
00:06:04,080 --> 00:06:07,440
Speaker 3: potential for a great quarterback, don't try to fool anybody

115
00:06:07,960 --> 00:06:11,080
Speaker 3: because you won't. You got to have an offensive line.

116
00:06:12,560 --> 00:06:16,760
Speaker 3: But I hope Fernando Mendoza and you might get some comparisons. Now.

117
00:06:17,200 --> 00:06:20,800
Speaker 3: Dan Orlofsky even said this yesterday from the Mothership that

118
00:06:21,600 --> 00:06:26,240
Speaker 3: Ty Simpson makes some plays, and he was kind of

119
00:06:26,279 --> 00:06:31,240
Speaker 3: comparing him with Fernando Mendoza and leaning towards ty Simpson

120
00:06:31,320 --> 00:06:34,880
Speaker 3: as this guy's got a lot of talent there. Now

121
00:06:35,279 --> 00:06:38,280
Speaker 3: the Mothership is trying to sell the draft too, and

122
00:06:38,360 --> 00:06:41,039
Speaker 3: everybody else who's going to be, you know, covering the

123
00:06:41,160 --> 00:06:44,520
Speaker 3: NFL Draft, presenting the NFL Draft. But you will get

124
00:06:44,560 --> 00:06:48,320
Speaker 3: Ty Simpson love coming up. And when I watched him

125
00:06:48,320 --> 00:06:52,839
Speaker 3: against Now last year, before the season started, nobody was

126
00:06:52,839 --> 00:06:53,960
Speaker 3: talking about Ty Simpson.

127
00:06:54,040 --> 00:06:56,080
Speaker 2: Now they were talking about this quarterback draft.

128
00:06:56,720 --> 00:06:59,960
Speaker 3: So you had a couple of players, you know, Caid Klaw,

129
00:07:00,200 --> 00:07:05,040
Speaker 3: Nick Nuss Smyer from LSU Arch.

130
00:07:04,960 --> 00:07:05,839
Speaker 2: Maybe coming out.

131
00:07:05,920 --> 00:07:08,960
Speaker 3: So you had quarterbacks and this was gonna be oh man,

132
00:07:09,040 --> 00:07:11,280
Speaker 3: you gotta get ready for this quarterback draft.

133
00:07:11,720 --> 00:07:12,800
Speaker 2: Drew Alert.

134
00:07:13,400 --> 00:07:15,920
Speaker 3: Now Aler might be a guy who ends up like

135
00:07:16,160 --> 00:07:18,760
Speaker 3: one of those second day picks who could turn out

136
00:07:18,760 --> 00:07:23,040
Speaker 3: to be an NFL quarterback. He got hurt with Penn Steak,

137
00:07:23,520 --> 00:07:27,800
Speaker 3: but there were probably five to seven quarterbacks where we're like, man,

138
00:07:27,840 --> 00:07:30,320
Speaker 3: you got to position yourself. No one was talking about

139
00:07:30,320 --> 00:07:34,400
Speaker 3: Fernanda Mendoza. He came out of nowhere and had a

140
00:07:34,400 --> 00:07:39,000
Speaker 3: magical season, obviously, but that's how quickly it happens. Oh, Indy,

141
00:07:39,200 --> 00:07:44,360
Speaker 3: Indiana got a quarterback from cal Nothing to see here,

142
00:07:45,880 --> 00:07:48,840
Speaker 3: but there was. And that's why I go back to

143
00:07:48,880 --> 00:07:52,280
Speaker 3: what Kirk kirk Street said preseason. He said, keep an

144
00:07:52,320 --> 00:07:55,000
Speaker 3: eye on for an end of Mendoza in Indiana, and

145
00:07:55,080 --> 00:07:57,480
Speaker 3: Herbie was the only guy I heard say that. That

146
00:07:57,640 --> 00:08:00,760
Speaker 3: made it feel like maybe there's something there building off

147
00:08:00,800 --> 00:08:05,120
Speaker 3: the previous year with Indiana. It's tricky with these quarterbacks,

148
00:08:05,280 --> 00:08:07,560
Speaker 3: and there's going to be two or three quarterbacks out

149
00:08:07,600 --> 00:08:11,040
Speaker 3: of nowhere for this upcoming season. In college football, it

150
00:08:11,120 --> 00:08:14,600
Speaker 3: happens all the time. But nuss Meyer and club Nick,

151
00:08:15,080 --> 00:08:18,600
Speaker 3: I don't know if they're NFL quarterbacks. They look like it.

152
00:08:19,440 --> 00:08:22,840
Speaker 3: Remember Carson Beck, he was going to be a first

153
00:08:22,920 --> 00:08:25,360
Speaker 3: round draft pick, and I went, we're watching a different

154
00:08:25,400 --> 00:08:27,840
Speaker 3: game because I don't think he's a first round draft pick.

155
00:08:28,520 --> 00:08:30,760
Speaker 3: But he might be one of those guys who gets

156
00:08:30,760 --> 00:08:32,959
Speaker 3: you a chance to be a backup quarterback.

157
00:08:33,080 --> 00:08:35,680
Speaker 7: Yeah, Pauling, it doesn't happen that often, but every couple

158
00:08:35,720 --> 00:08:39,920
Speaker 7: of years there's just a wasteland at quarterback. Twenty twenty four,

159
00:08:40,160 --> 00:08:43,480
Speaker 7: six quarterbacks taken in the first twelve picks of the draft.

160
00:08:43,720 --> 00:08:45,760
Speaker 7: If you go back to twenty twenty two, it was

161
00:08:45,800 --> 00:08:48,120
Speaker 7: a little down. Kenny Pickett was the first pick and

162
00:08:48,200 --> 00:08:50,400
Speaker 7: he didn't go to twenty. Then you had Desmond Ritter.

163
00:08:50,640 --> 00:08:52,360
Speaker 7: Not a lot of juice in that draft. But the

164
00:08:52,440 --> 00:08:56,079
Speaker 7: year before you had Trevor Lawrence, Zach Wilson, Trey Lance,

165
00:08:56,360 --> 00:09:00,120
Speaker 7: Justin Fields, Mac Jones, even Kyle Trask was interesting. Was

166
00:09:00,160 --> 00:09:02,560
Speaker 7: a juicy quarterback draft, but it alternates.

167
00:09:02,720 --> 00:09:07,520
Speaker 3: Yeah, and only one of them panned out, with Trevor Lawrence.

168
00:09:09,280 --> 00:09:11,800
Speaker 3: I would love to see mac Jones get another opportunity

169
00:09:11,920 --> 00:09:14,319
Speaker 3: because I think he was done wrong by the Patriots.

170
00:09:14,600 --> 00:09:20,520
Speaker 3: Imagine your offensive coordinator is a defensive coordinator. You go

171
00:09:20,600 --> 00:09:26,240
Speaker 3: to the playoffs and it I mean, they didn't have

172
00:09:26,320 --> 00:09:30,320
Speaker 3: weapons and it felt like mac Jones didn't get the credit,

173
00:09:30,360 --> 00:09:32,559
Speaker 3: but he certainly got the blame. And then he got

174
00:09:32,640 --> 00:09:35,120
Speaker 3: kicked to the curb and you know, bounced around a

175
00:09:35,160 --> 00:09:37,280
Speaker 3: little bit. And now all of a sudden you go

176
00:09:37,280 --> 00:09:39,600
Speaker 3: to San Francisco and you saw that when he played.

177
00:09:40,040 --> 00:09:42,880
Speaker 3: I mean he can play. Now, he can be a

178
00:09:42,920 --> 00:09:46,400
Speaker 3: starting quarterback. I think it's like Malik Willis. Same thing

179
00:09:46,440 --> 00:09:49,800
Speaker 3: with Tennessee, where I thought he had a lot of talent.

180
00:09:50,200 --> 00:09:52,839
Speaker 3: It seemed like they moved on from him quickly. Oh man,

181
00:09:52,840 --> 00:09:55,439
Speaker 3: we got a draft will Levis. I'm like, okay, and

182
00:09:55,520 --> 00:09:57,440
Speaker 3: then they moved on quickly from him.

183
00:09:57,640 --> 00:10:00,640
Speaker 7: Yeah, Paulin Dan, I'm currently nerding out on quarterback drafted

184
00:10:00,640 --> 00:10:05,400
Speaker 7: by year. Remember twenty eleven, Cam Newton, Jake Locker, Blaine Gabert,

185
00:10:05,600 --> 00:10:10,360
Speaker 7: Christian Ponder, Andy Dalton, Colin Kaepernick, Ryan Mallett, with a

186
00:10:10,360 --> 00:10:12,160
Speaker 7: lot of names.

187
00:10:12,280 --> 00:10:13,679
Speaker 2: Yeah, but not a lot of good names.

188
00:10:13,679 --> 00:10:16,480
Speaker 7: No, but people loved Jake Locker until he got that

189
00:10:16,640 --> 00:10:19,120
Speaker 7: I did, I did, you weren't you weren't alone?

190
00:10:19,480 --> 00:10:23,400
Speaker 3: I thought, man, Jake Locker, Athletic played it you dub

191
00:10:24,240 --> 00:10:26,760
Speaker 3: and then I realized that he couldn't complete those passes

192
00:10:26,800 --> 00:10:31,160
Speaker 3: over the middle. Ryan Mallett was going to be a

193
00:10:31,200 --> 00:10:35,199
Speaker 3: big deal because he was Michigan and then he transferred

194
00:10:35,240 --> 00:10:41,200
Speaker 3: to Arkansas. Yeah yeah, Cam was obviously great. Who else

195
00:10:41,320 --> 00:10:42,120
Speaker 3: was in that draft?

196
00:10:44,840 --> 00:10:48,560
Speaker 7: Blaine Gabbert, Christian Ponder, Andy Dalton, Colin Kaepernick.

197
00:10:48,880 --> 00:10:53,800
Speaker 3: I love Dalton and I think he went first first pick,

198
00:10:53,920 --> 00:10:55,280
Speaker 3: second round at TCU.

199
00:10:55,400 --> 00:10:55,760
Speaker 4: That's right.

200
00:10:55,800 --> 00:11:02,439
Speaker 3: When he played in the Rose Bowl against uh Wisconsin,

201
00:11:03,760 --> 00:11:07,640
Speaker 3: wasn't it against JJ Watt? Of course I knew it,

202
00:11:08,120 --> 00:11:11,599
Speaker 3: and I thought, I thought Andy Dalton played an unbelievably

203
00:11:12,000 --> 00:11:16,080
Speaker 3: intelligent game, and I thought, man, he's, you know, red

204
00:11:16,160 --> 00:11:19,880
Speaker 3: rifle tall guy. He got some movement there, and I thought, man,

205
00:11:19,920 --> 00:11:22,400
Speaker 3: he's a good pickup. And he turned out to be

206
00:11:22,440 --> 00:11:25,679
Speaker 3: a pretty good pro, I would say, a decent pro.

207
00:11:26,960 --> 00:11:29,840
Speaker 3: Nice career, But that's just you know, it's who you

208
00:11:29,880 --> 00:11:32,600
Speaker 3: go to and when you go to that team, and

209
00:11:32,679 --> 00:11:35,600
Speaker 3: what is the infrastructure. So you can be a great talent,

210
00:11:36,240 --> 00:11:40,400
Speaker 3: actually you can be better than average talent, but be

211
00:11:40,559 --> 00:11:43,800
Speaker 3: on a team and they'll make you even better. You'll

212
00:11:43,840 --> 00:11:48,520
Speaker 3: look even better. And I think, like Jalen Hurts, that

213
00:11:48,559 --> 00:11:52,440
Speaker 3: team makes him look better. I think a standalone Jalen Hurts,

214
00:11:52,600 --> 00:11:55,199
Speaker 3: I don't think that he stands out as a great quarterback,

215
00:11:55,559 --> 00:11:58,880
Speaker 3: but he's great with what the Eagles do and probably

216
00:11:59,600 --> 00:12:03,319
Speaker 3: another super Bowl appearance. He's a hall of famer. He

217
00:12:03,440 --> 00:12:06,800
Speaker 3: might be a Hall of famer. Now he's not MVP

218
00:12:07,000 --> 00:12:10,400
Speaker 3: regular season, but you know the way this goes. Now,

219
00:12:10,440 --> 00:12:12,360
Speaker 3: you win a couple of super Bowls, you got a

220
00:12:12,440 --> 00:12:13,360
Speaker 3: chance to be a hall of famer.

221
00:12:13,440 --> 00:12:14,920
Speaker 2: Yeah, Paul, here's another draft for you.

222
00:12:15,280 --> 00:12:19,800
Speaker 7: Four Eli Manning, Philip Rivers, Ben Roethlisberger taken in the

223
00:12:19,800 --> 00:12:22,040
Speaker 7: first eleven picks, and a guy You and I loved

224
00:12:22,480 --> 00:12:25,040
Speaker 7: JP Lossman of Tulane to the Bills.

225
00:12:25,760 --> 00:12:26,840
Speaker 2: We were well on that.

226
00:12:26,880 --> 00:12:27,040
Speaker 4: Man.

227
00:12:27,200 --> 00:12:31,840
Speaker 2: It was almost an era right there. No, no, we

228
00:12:31,920 --> 00:12:32,199
Speaker 2: got it.

229
00:12:32,360 --> 00:12:36,559
Speaker 3: Okay, we loved JP Lossman because we loved TWU Lane's uniform.

230
00:12:36,559 --> 00:12:40,840
Speaker 2: That's right, We love their helmets and him. Yeah yeah,

231
00:12:40,880 --> 00:12:44,160
Speaker 2: did he go to Buffalo, Sure it did. Yeah, it

232
00:12:44,200 --> 00:12:45,280
Speaker 2: didn't surround him with talent.

233
00:12:45,400 --> 00:12:48,000
Speaker 6: Yeah, Buffalo had a few picks there where it was like, man,

234
00:12:48,040 --> 00:12:49,800
Speaker 6: if one of these hits, they're really going to be good.

235
00:12:49,800 --> 00:12:53,280
Speaker 2: And then they finally got Josh who was the Johnson?

236
00:12:53,360 --> 00:12:57,880
Speaker 2: Who is the Rob Johnson, Rob Johnson machine? Was he Buffalo?

237
00:12:57,960 --> 00:12:58,440
Speaker 4: Yeah?

238
00:12:58,520 --> 00:13:00,160
Speaker 2: Yeah, yes, Marvin J.

239
00:13:00,240 --> 00:13:03,640
Speaker 5: Maywel Also, he was the first quarterback taken by the

240
00:13:03,679 --> 00:13:04,560
Speaker 5: Bills in that year.

241
00:13:04,880 --> 00:13:10,080
Speaker 3: But when we had him on pre draft, he was unbelievable. Unbelievable.

242
00:13:10,080 --> 00:13:11,720
Speaker 3: We were like, I want him on my team.

243
00:13:12,280 --> 00:13:12,679
Speaker 4: Yeah.

244
00:13:12,720 --> 00:13:14,439
Speaker 2: I don't know how good he is, but I want

245
00:13:14,559 --> 00:13:15,720
Speaker 2: him on my team. Yeah, PAULI.

246
00:13:15,800 --> 00:13:18,959
Speaker 7: The twenty thirteen QB Draft e j Manuel out of

247
00:13:18,960 --> 00:13:21,600
Speaker 7: Florida State to the Bills at sixteen. Then everyone else

248
00:13:21,679 --> 00:13:24,959
Speaker 7: was second, third, and fourth round Gino Smith, Mike Glennon,

249
00:13:25,400 --> 00:13:29,080
Speaker 7: Matt Barkley of USC dang Matthew.

250
00:13:30,160 --> 00:13:30,559
Speaker 4: Yeah.

251
00:13:31,520 --> 00:13:34,439
Speaker 3: He thought Matt was going to be a thing there, Yes,

252
00:13:34,559 --> 00:13:37,960
Speaker 3: Marvin Geno Smith sept Heisman winner, Yeah, yes he was.

253
00:13:38,200 --> 00:13:40,840
Speaker 5: He was the greatest quarterback that ever lived up until

254
00:13:40,880 --> 00:13:41,840
Speaker 5: October of that year.

255
00:13:42,000 --> 00:13:42,280
Speaker 4: Yeah.

256
00:13:42,400 --> 00:13:48,400
Speaker 3: His September was he won the Heisman? Uh was Ryan

257
00:13:48,440 --> 00:13:54,400
Speaker 3: Fitzpatrick is September September MVPPT Tom scept Heisman Septem VP

258
00:13:54,679 --> 00:13:58,080
Speaker 3: septm VP. Okay, all right, I don't know what we

259
00:13:58,160 --> 00:13:59,600
Speaker 3: just accomplished, but it was fun.

260
00:14:00,160 --> 00:14:02,240
Speaker 1: Be sure to catch the live edition of The Dan

261
00:14:02,320 --> 00:14:05,920
Speaker 1: Patrick Show weekdays at nine am Eastern six am Pacific

262
00:14:06,200 --> 00:14:09,200
Speaker 1: on Fox Sports Radio and the iHeartRadio app.

263
00:14:09,559 --> 00:14:12,600
Speaker 8: Hey is Covino and Rich from Fox Sports Radio Now,

264
00:14:12,600 --> 00:14:15,040
Speaker 8: in addition to hearing us live weekdays from five to

265
00:14:15,040 --> 00:14:18,240
Speaker 8: seven pm Eastern two to four Pacific on Fox Sports Radio,

266
00:14:18,480 --> 00:14:21,840
Speaker 8: we're excited to announce a brand new YouTube channel for

267
00:14:21,880 --> 00:14:22,240
Speaker 8: the show.

268
00:14:22,360 --> 00:14:22,640
Speaker 2: Yup.

269
00:14:22,680 --> 00:14:23,200
Speaker 1: That's right.

270
00:14:23,240 --> 00:14:25,840
Speaker 8: You can now watch Covino and Rich live on YouTube

271
00:14:25,960 --> 00:14:28,840
Speaker 8: every day. All you gotta do search Covino and Rich

272
00:14:29,000 --> 00:14:32,960
Speaker 8: FSR on YouTube again, go to YouTube search Covino and

273
00:14:33,120 --> 00:14:37,400
Speaker 8: Rich FSR. Check us out on YouTube, subscribe, hit that

274
00:14:37,480 --> 00:14:39,440
Speaker 8: thumbs up icon and comment away.

275
00:14:39,800 --> 00:14:44,880
Speaker 3: Daniel Jeremiah covering the Combine for NFL Network and of course,

276
00:14:44,960 --> 00:14:48,560
Speaker 3: the Move the Sticks podcast. NFL Networks live coverage of

277
00:14:48,600 --> 00:14:51,200
Speaker 3: the Combine continues today through Sunday.

278
00:14:52,000 --> 00:14:52,560
Speaker 2: Armageddon.

279
00:14:53,240 --> 00:14:57,800
Speaker 3: Oh my goodness, Daniel releasing all this information short arms

280
00:14:58,200 --> 00:14:59,600
Speaker 3: and what does it really mean?

281
00:15:02,080 --> 00:15:04,480
Speaker 9: Fun? Fun times is what it means, Dan, That's what

282
00:15:04,520 --> 00:15:06,720
Speaker 9: it means. It means fun times for all because we've

283
00:15:06,720 --> 00:15:08,960
Speaker 9: graduated from hand size to arm size. I think we're

284
00:15:08,960 --> 00:15:10,480
Speaker 9: making progress to a society.

285
00:15:10,680 --> 00:15:12,600
Speaker 2: Okay, but where are we going after this?

286
00:15:14,520 --> 00:15:18,600
Speaker 9: Well?

287
00:15:19,080 --> 00:15:24,560
Speaker 3: That's that one literally go to. But does it really

288
00:15:24,600 --> 00:15:28,080
Speaker 3: matter about the now? Let's say a defensive lineman as

289
00:15:28,120 --> 00:15:31,440
Speaker 3: opposed to an offensive line and let be actually actually

290
00:15:31,440 --> 00:15:32,160
Speaker 3: serious about this.

291
00:15:32,240 --> 00:15:33,440
Speaker 2: Does it matter how much?

292
00:15:34,000 --> 00:15:35,760
Speaker 9: Yeah, it doesn't. And I didn't want to just have

293
00:15:35,800 --> 00:15:38,160
Speaker 9: my opinion, so I reached out to two of the

294
00:15:38,160 --> 00:15:41,440
Speaker 9: defensive coordinators that are of top five defenses in the league.

295
00:15:41,520 --> 00:15:44,520
Speaker 9: So guys I respect that know what they're doing. And

296
00:15:44,560 --> 00:15:47,440
Speaker 9: I said, what's the biggest issue with it? And and

297
00:15:47,480 --> 00:15:49,480
Speaker 9: they said, yeah, look, there are issues with it. And

298
00:15:49,720 --> 00:15:52,720
Speaker 9: some of it is, you know, you can't get off blocks.

299
00:15:52,800 --> 00:15:54,720
Speaker 9: You know that's you can just get you get, you're

300
00:15:54,720 --> 00:15:56,160
Speaker 9: going to hold you, They're gonna grab it. You can't

301
00:15:56,240 --> 00:15:58,880
Speaker 9: use your length to escape and get off blocks. There's

302
00:15:58,880 --> 00:16:01,320
Speaker 9: something to the ability to finished. They look at as

303
00:16:01,440 --> 00:16:03,680
Speaker 9: you know, finishing on some of these bigger quarterbacks that

304
00:16:03,680 --> 00:16:07,600
Speaker 9: that could come into play. But my follow up question was, well,

305
00:16:07,640 --> 00:16:10,080
Speaker 9: obviously it's not a death sentence, so what do you

306
00:16:10,120 --> 00:16:11,960
Speaker 9: need to have to overcome it? You know, if it's

307
00:16:11,960 --> 00:16:13,280
Speaker 9: not ideal, but what do you need to have because

308
00:16:13,280 --> 00:16:14,640
Speaker 9: to me, I've always just felt like if you can

309
00:16:14,640 --> 00:16:17,640
Speaker 9: play with leverage, empower and strength, you can you can

310
00:16:17,680 --> 00:16:20,040
Speaker 9: get away with it. And they said, no, absolutely, You've

311
00:16:20,040 --> 00:16:22,760
Speaker 9: got to beat blocks with your feet more with your hands,

312
00:16:22,760 --> 00:16:24,800
Speaker 9: which sounds kind of simple, but it is. You got

313
00:16:24,800 --> 00:16:27,080
Speaker 9: to be able to have like lower power to generate

314
00:16:27,120 --> 00:16:29,000
Speaker 9: to get through guys, or you got to be able

315
00:16:29,040 --> 00:16:31,520
Speaker 9: to win with with with your quickness. There's guys who

316
00:16:31,560 --> 00:16:33,840
Speaker 9: maybe aren't as quicker as fast, but they're so good

317
00:16:33,840 --> 00:16:36,120
Speaker 9: with their arms and so good with their hands and there,

318
00:16:36,160 --> 00:16:38,360
Speaker 9: and they're able to get off blocks that way. There's

319
00:16:38,440 --> 00:16:39,600
Speaker 9: just more ways to do it.

320
00:16:40,000 --> 00:16:43,000
Speaker 3: But more important for an offensive lineman tab longer orange

321
00:16:43,400 --> 00:16:44,320
Speaker 3: or defensive linemen.

322
00:16:45,880 --> 00:16:47,280
Speaker 9: I would say offensive lineman.

323
00:16:47,480 --> 00:16:47,720
Speaker 4: Yeah.

324
00:16:47,920 --> 00:16:50,640
Speaker 9: I just think when you're an offensive lineman and guys

325
00:16:50,640 --> 00:16:53,280
Speaker 9: can constantly get to your surface, I think that's that

326
00:16:53,360 --> 00:16:55,840
Speaker 9: makes your job a lot harder. And that's from look.

327
00:16:55,920 --> 00:16:57,920
Speaker 9: I you know, I cut my teeth in the league

328
00:16:57,960 --> 00:17:00,000
Speaker 9: watching Jonathan Ogden and I'm like, I mean, you could

329
00:17:00,200 --> 00:17:01,680
Speaker 9: put a fresh coat of paint on the front of

330
00:17:01,680 --> 00:17:04,320
Speaker 9: his jersey and they're no handprints because nobody could ever.

331
00:17:04,240 --> 00:17:04,760
Speaker 4: Get to him.

332
00:17:05,680 --> 00:17:07,399
Speaker 3: I don't know if it came up last year or

333
00:17:07,400 --> 00:17:10,680
Speaker 3: the year before with Will Campbell or you know, his

334
00:17:10,800 --> 00:17:14,240
Speaker 3: arm length or lack thereof. Was it a big deal

335
00:17:14,359 --> 00:17:16,320
Speaker 3: the fact that he was a top five pick.

336
00:17:17,240 --> 00:17:19,159
Speaker 9: Yeah, but I'd have to go back I mean to me, like,

337
00:17:19,160 --> 00:17:21,399
Speaker 9: I think Parsons was thirty one and a half. I

338
00:17:21,400 --> 00:17:23,359
Speaker 9: think what was jarring is that when you get to

339
00:17:23,560 --> 00:17:25,760
Speaker 9: thirty one and you start getting below like the Cashus

340
00:17:25,800 --> 00:17:28,800
Speaker 9: Howel was below thirty one inches, like, like that's something

341
00:17:28,800 --> 00:17:30,320
Speaker 9: we just don't don't see a lot of.

342
00:17:30,320 --> 00:17:30,760
Speaker 2: But I was.

343
00:17:31,119 --> 00:17:33,639
Speaker 9: I was joking around with one of my former GM

344
00:17:33,680 --> 00:17:36,639
Speaker 9: buddies and we were just talking about this and laughing

345
00:17:36,720 --> 00:17:39,879
Speaker 9: because he was telling a story about how they had

346
00:17:39,920 --> 00:17:42,520
Speaker 9: an offensive lineman that they liked, but he didn't run

347
00:17:42,520 --> 00:17:44,480
Speaker 9: a good forty at the combine and they didn't run

348
00:17:44,520 --> 00:17:47,200
Speaker 9: a good forty at the pro day set, so they

349
00:17:47,240 --> 00:17:48,960
Speaker 9: liked him, so they just kept sending different scouts out

350
00:17:48,960 --> 00:17:50,640
Speaker 9: there to time him in a forty until they eventually

351
00:17:50,640 --> 00:17:52,760
Speaker 9: got one that they liked. See, we know he's gonna run.

352
00:17:52,760 --> 00:17:55,359
Speaker 9: There's nothing wrong with this guy. You know, we used

353
00:17:55,400 --> 00:17:57,320
Speaker 9: to do it, you know, hand size, arm length or

354
00:17:57,320 --> 00:18:00,960
Speaker 9: hand size, and like I scout on the West Coast

355
00:18:01,000 --> 00:18:02,760
Speaker 9: for a period of time, and so if there was

356
00:18:02,800 --> 00:18:06,679
Speaker 9: a quarterback, maybe his hands were well undersized or what

357
00:18:06,720 --> 00:18:09,119
Speaker 9: have you. And like, guys, we get together, like, hey, guys,

358
00:18:09,160 --> 00:18:11,160
Speaker 9: all of us have big grades on this player. We're

359
00:18:11,200 --> 00:18:13,399
Speaker 9: all taking crap back at our home teams in these

360
00:18:13,480 --> 00:18:16,040
Speaker 9: draft meetings, like whatever we got to do to get

361
00:18:16,080 --> 00:18:18,360
Speaker 9: that thing stretched out when we measure this thing. Let's

362
00:18:18,400 --> 00:18:19,640
Speaker 9: do ourselves a favor here.

363
00:18:20,240 --> 00:18:22,840
Speaker 2: But his hand size important at this year's come by.

364
00:18:23,600 --> 00:18:25,800
Speaker 9: No, we've had no hand size debait, but the quarterbacks

365
00:18:25,840 --> 00:18:26,560
Speaker 9: haven't gotten.

366
00:18:26,359 --> 00:18:29,560
Speaker 3: Oh okay, well why why don't we Why don't we

367
00:18:29,840 --> 00:18:32,119
Speaker 3: focus on the wide receivers with their hands?

368
00:18:33,280 --> 00:18:35,560
Speaker 9: Well, yeah, it'll they'll come up. I mean, it's just

369
00:18:35,760 --> 00:18:38,240
Speaker 9: if there's a correlation between the drops and then he's

370
00:18:38,280 --> 00:18:42,000
Speaker 9: got small hands. But you know that's not it's not

371
00:18:42,040 --> 00:18:45,000
Speaker 9: nearly as as prevalent as the quarterback discussion. But I

372
00:18:45,080 --> 00:18:47,920
Speaker 9: always go back to this stuff with my the way

373
00:18:47,960 --> 00:18:51,000
Speaker 9: I look at like Reuben Bain. So if I watch

374
00:18:51,080 --> 00:18:53,080
Speaker 9: a player and I don't know any of his measurables,

375
00:18:53,320 --> 00:18:55,760
Speaker 9: you know, if I don't, if I haven't documented in

376
00:18:55,800 --> 00:18:57,680
Speaker 9: my notes, and I've gone through four or five games

377
00:18:57,720 --> 00:18:59,560
Speaker 9: and I've you know, watched a bunch of tape on him,

378
00:18:59,600 --> 00:19:02,080
Speaker 9: and I don't have concerns about it that I'm not

379
00:19:02,119 --> 00:19:03,960
Speaker 9: going to be as worried about it. If his measurements

380
00:19:03,960 --> 00:19:06,720
Speaker 9: come in low, what would be concerning. Is there like

381
00:19:06,840 --> 00:19:08,680
Speaker 9: cashus how maybe a little bit more so where there's

382
00:19:08,720 --> 00:19:10,879
Speaker 9: times with him where I see he can play a

383
00:19:10,880 --> 00:19:12,840
Speaker 9: little bit small at times when he gets into guys

384
00:19:12,840 --> 00:19:14,680
Speaker 9: he can't get off of him. I've seen Bain get

385
00:19:14,720 --> 00:19:17,639
Speaker 9: engaged and be able to free himself, whereas Cash is Howe,

386
00:19:17,720 --> 00:19:19,720
Speaker 9: at that point, Tom, that down might be over. So

387
00:19:20,040 --> 00:19:22,639
Speaker 9: if I have notes about it as a concern not

388
00:19:22,720 --> 00:19:25,240
Speaker 9: knowing measurables, and then the measurables come in and kind

389
00:19:25,240 --> 00:19:26,840
Speaker 9: of confirm her notes, then I think it's valid.

390
00:19:27,840 --> 00:19:30,200
Speaker 3: The ty Simpson love I think is going to be coming.

391
00:19:30,600 --> 00:19:35,119
Speaker 3: We see this every draft where somebody we focus on

392
00:19:35,119 --> 00:19:38,119
Speaker 3: Fernando Mendoza, then we might start looking at negatives with

393
00:19:38,200 --> 00:19:41,719
Speaker 3: Fernando Mendoza. Then we're looking for another quarterback who we

394
00:19:41,720 --> 00:19:44,919
Speaker 3: can talk about and ty Simpson will probably get It

395
00:19:44,960 --> 00:19:47,879
Speaker 3: feels like a little bit of love coming up. But

396
00:19:48,320 --> 00:19:53,560
Speaker 3: compare the two and with ty Simpson in Alabama and

397
00:19:53,600 --> 00:19:55,240
Speaker 3: of course Mendoza.

398
00:19:55,800 --> 00:19:57,760
Speaker 9: Yeah, I think there's a pretty good gap. You know,

399
00:19:57,800 --> 00:20:01,560
Speaker 9: in my opinion, how I see him, I just Mendoza.

400
00:20:01,680 --> 00:20:04,040
Speaker 9: You know. The hard thing about his evaluation, and I've

401
00:20:04,040 --> 00:20:05,480
Speaker 9: talked about this a little bit, is that. You know,

402
00:20:05,480 --> 00:20:07,800
Speaker 9: people talk about the RPOs and how quick the ball

403
00:20:07,920 --> 00:20:09,720
Speaker 9: you know comes out a lot of the times, Well,

404
00:20:10,040 --> 00:20:13,480
Speaker 9: spoiler alert, that's college football. That's that's how a lot

405
00:20:13,480 --> 00:20:15,439
Speaker 9: of these guys are playing the game. You have to

406
00:20:15,440 --> 00:20:16,919
Speaker 9: be able to cut through that. So the way I

407
00:20:17,040 --> 00:20:19,679
Speaker 9: do it and is, you know, you take the whole season,

408
00:20:19,720 --> 00:20:21,240
Speaker 9: You watch the games you're going to watch. But then

409
00:20:21,280 --> 00:20:23,159
Speaker 9: I like to go back and look at these situations.

410
00:20:23,160 --> 00:20:25,800
Speaker 9: Third and seven plus you're not our RPO and a

411
00:20:25,800 --> 00:20:27,399
Speaker 9: third seven plus and ever in the staium knows you're

412
00:20:27,400 --> 00:20:29,600
Speaker 9: throwing the football the red zone where the space is

413
00:20:29,640 --> 00:20:32,720
Speaker 9: condensed and you got to make more tight throws. I

414
00:20:32,760 --> 00:20:35,440
Speaker 9: look at in game situations and then I look in

415
00:20:35,560 --> 00:20:38,720
Speaker 9: big stage games, you know, big stage moments, and I'm like, Dan,

416
00:20:38,800 --> 00:20:40,879
Speaker 9: he ches every single one of those tests that he

417
00:20:40,920 --> 00:20:42,320
Speaker 9: didn't throw a pick in the red zone. It's like

418
00:20:43,000 --> 00:20:45,639
Speaker 9: crazy numbers inside the red zone. You look at him

419
00:20:45,640 --> 00:20:47,520
Speaker 9: when everybody in the stadium knows they're throwing the ball

420
00:20:47,560 --> 00:20:49,960
Speaker 9: and okay, sometimes it can be a little back shoulder

421
00:20:50,040 --> 00:20:52,240
Speaker 9: heavy and he gets criticized for that. I'm like, I

422
00:20:52,280 --> 00:20:53,879
Speaker 9: don't know, I keep throwing it too. They can't, they

423
00:20:53,920 --> 00:20:56,880
Speaker 9: can't cover those receivers on the outside when he pinpoints

424
00:20:56,920 --> 00:20:58,919
Speaker 9: the ball on their back shoulder. But I've seen him

425
00:20:58,960 --> 00:21:01,760
Speaker 9: footballs in tight space. Says he's big, he can move.

426
00:21:02,680 --> 00:21:04,159
Speaker 9: If you need him to get some free arts, he

427
00:21:04,160 --> 00:21:07,600
Speaker 9: can take him with Tye. I like like. Tye is

428
00:21:07,640 --> 00:21:09,920
Speaker 9: someone who I in my opinion, I think a lot

429
00:21:09,920 --> 00:21:13,080
Speaker 9: of former quarterbacks are going to take to him because

430
00:21:13,119 --> 00:21:16,000
Speaker 9: he's the son of a coach. Everything from a mechanical

431
00:21:16,040 --> 00:21:20,679
Speaker 9: standpoint is beautiful and flawless, like great feet, nice delivery.

432
00:21:20,960 --> 00:21:23,920
Speaker 9: He does not have a huge arm. There's times and

433
00:21:23,960 --> 00:21:26,880
Speaker 9: their offensive line was not a traditional Alabama offensive line.

434
00:21:26,880 --> 00:21:28,800
Speaker 9: They didn't have the traditional benefits that you'd have in

435
00:21:28,840 --> 00:21:31,399
Speaker 9: that program, So there was a lot of bodies around him,

436
00:21:31,400 --> 00:21:32,959
Speaker 9: and I thought there were times he just got He

437
00:21:32,960 --> 00:21:34,960
Speaker 9: looked small, the ball was coming out of his hand,

438
00:21:35,240 --> 00:21:36,560
Speaker 9: he looked like he was thrown out of a well.

439
00:21:36,600 --> 00:21:38,800
Speaker 9: The ball would kind of take off on him.

440
00:21:39,119 --> 00:21:40,000
Speaker 2: So I like him.

441
00:21:40,000 --> 00:21:42,560
Speaker 9: He's my fortieth player. I think he's the second round guy,

442
00:21:42,760 --> 00:21:44,760
Speaker 9: and I've you know, if somebody wants to take him

443
00:21:44,760 --> 00:21:46,040
Speaker 9: in the back of the first round to get the

444
00:21:46,080 --> 00:21:48,639
Speaker 9: extra year, I can get with that. I just I

445
00:21:48,680 --> 00:21:51,200
Speaker 9: don't see him as the top half of the first round,

446
00:21:51,200 --> 00:21:54,199
Speaker 9: top fifteen type pick. And the other reason for that

447
00:21:54,240 --> 00:21:55,600
Speaker 9: is I think every year you're going to have more

448
00:21:55,640 --> 00:21:58,959
Speaker 9: Ty Simpsons coming along, whereas Fernanda Mendoza. Those guys are

449
00:21:58,960 --> 00:22:00,480
Speaker 9: a little bit harder to find, so.

450
00:22:00,440 --> 00:22:04,040
Speaker 3: I can do Daniel Jeremiah, NFL network analyst and his

451
00:22:04,119 --> 00:22:07,919
Speaker 3: podcast Moving the Sticks, joining us from the combine Jeremiah

452
00:22:07,960 --> 00:22:10,880
Speaker 3: Love three down running back.

453
00:22:11,760 --> 00:22:12,400
Speaker 4: Oh yeah, yeah.

454
00:22:12,400 --> 00:22:15,879
Speaker 9: He's got elite hands, like route running hands, you know,

455
00:22:16,280 --> 00:22:18,439
Speaker 9: and all the dynamic stuff that comes along with him

456
00:22:18,440 --> 00:22:21,840
Speaker 9: in the backfields. He's my second overall player. He is

457
00:22:21,880 --> 00:22:24,320
Speaker 9: a very, very talented dude. He's more than just somebody

458
00:22:24,280 --> 00:22:26,560
Speaker 9: you turn around and put in his stomach, like, he

459
00:22:26,920 --> 00:22:27,880
Speaker 9: can do a lot of different things.

460
00:22:28,040 --> 00:22:30,920
Speaker 3: Yeah, And I don't know, you know, with the success

461
00:22:30,960 --> 00:22:33,919
Speaker 3: of Jamir Gibbs and Jean Robinson and you know, some

462
00:22:34,000 --> 00:22:38,720
Speaker 3: of these other hybrids there. Of course McCaffrey, I would

463
00:22:38,920 --> 00:22:42,600
Speaker 3: you fell in love with him watching him play this year.

464
00:22:42,640 --> 00:22:45,240
Speaker 3: He was the one playmaker that I thought was different

465
00:22:45,280 --> 00:22:47,760
Speaker 3: than any other player on the football field every single

466
00:22:47,800 --> 00:22:50,480
Speaker 3: game that he played in. And that's kind of hard

467
00:22:50,520 --> 00:22:53,200
Speaker 3: to do, but I just felt, you know, he's running

468
00:22:53,240 --> 00:22:55,879
Speaker 3: it from ninety yards like you're a threat, you're a

469
00:22:55,920 --> 00:22:59,720
Speaker 3: threat inside your own ten yard line, But I don't

470
00:22:59,720 --> 00:23:02,360
Speaker 3: know where's the landing spot for him?

471
00:23:02,720 --> 00:23:06,480
Speaker 9: Well that's there's two conversations, right, I mean, we agree

472
00:23:06,520 --> 00:23:09,200
Speaker 9: on his greatness and how special he is, and then

473
00:23:09,400 --> 00:23:11,720
Speaker 9: he's my second overall player. And then the next question

474
00:23:11,760 --> 00:23:13,640
Speaker 9: that follows up is okay, well where does he go?

475
00:23:14,280 --> 00:23:16,199
Speaker 9: And then you start looking at we saw yesterday with

476
00:23:16,240 --> 00:23:19,000
Speaker 9: some of those guys to Ohio State. Kids are absolute freaks.

477
00:23:19,480 --> 00:23:21,359
Speaker 9: So you're looking at guys and you start playing the

478
00:23:21,359 --> 00:23:24,320
Speaker 9: position priority game. You start looking at needs. But when

479
00:23:24,320 --> 00:23:27,680
Speaker 9: I say, like, where could it start? I mean, I

480
00:23:28,000 --> 00:23:29,680
Speaker 9: don't think the Jets would do it at too. I

481
00:23:29,720 --> 00:23:31,879
Speaker 9: think they're kind of that feels definitely more like a

482
00:23:31,920 --> 00:23:34,879
Speaker 9: front player, defensive front player. I would say you could

483
00:23:34,960 --> 00:23:38,880
Speaker 9: start the conversation at three with Arizona in Tennessee. I mean,

484
00:23:38,880 --> 00:23:41,000
Speaker 9: that's where the conversation would start. But I still think

485
00:23:41,040 --> 00:23:44,159
Speaker 9: that probably lends more to big guys, to offense and

486
00:23:44,240 --> 00:23:46,320
Speaker 9: defensive linemen. Probably, you know, at this point time, I

487
00:23:46,359 --> 00:23:49,160
Speaker 9: would say more so defensive lineman. And then the sweet

488
00:23:49,200 --> 00:23:52,800
Speaker 9: spot to me is seven eight nine. When you look

489
00:23:52,840 --> 00:23:55,719
Speaker 9: at Washington New Orleans, Kansas City. I don't think that's

490
00:23:55,960 --> 00:23:57,440
Speaker 9: that's a neighborhood he's not going to be able to

491
00:23:57,480 --> 00:23:57,919
Speaker 9: get out of.

492
00:23:58,359 --> 00:24:00,960
Speaker 2: You imagine if he goes to Kansas City.

493
00:24:01,080 --> 00:24:02,800
Speaker 9: You don't know how many times I've I've got that

494
00:24:02,840 --> 00:24:05,320
Speaker 9: from people in the league. They're like, we finally got

495
00:24:05,359 --> 00:24:07,240
Speaker 9: these guys and not make them playoffs. You know, please

496
00:24:07,280 --> 00:24:08,560
Speaker 9: not put Jeremiah Love there.

497
00:24:09,600 --> 00:24:12,800
Speaker 3: If I put Mendoza in the twenty twenty four draft,

498
00:24:14,080 --> 00:24:15,920
Speaker 3: how many quarterbacks go ahead of him?

499
00:24:16,280 --> 00:24:20,960
Speaker 9: So three from me? So I had it Caleb, Drake, Jaden,

500
00:24:21,680 --> 00:24:23,720
Speaker 9: and then I would have him in there, and then

501
00:24:23,760 --> 00:24:27,199
Speaker 9: you get into you know the Niwix, McCarthy, Pennix, So

502
00:24:27,520 --> 00:24:29,040
Speaker 9: that's where he would be. But those three guys I

503
00:24:29,040 --> 00:24:32,280
Speaker 9: mean that I had, those guys were outstanding, and we've

504
00:24:32,280 --> 00:24:34,080
Speaker 9: already seen that kind of bear itself out.

505
00:24:35,359 --> 00:24:40,600
Speaker 3: The Raiders draft strategy that, Okay, you take Mendoza. Yeah,

506
00:24:40,960 --> 00:24:42,680
Speaker 3: I mean, even if you go back to last year,

507
00:24:42,800 --> 00:24:45,640
Speaker 3: you're taking gent but you don't have a good offensive line.

508
00:24:45,640 --> 00:24:49,719
Speaker 3: You got a really good tackle And I just wonder

509
00:24:50,520 --> 00:24:54,399
Speaker 3: putting Mendoza in a situation like that, do you trust

510
00:24:54,400 --> 00:24:59,000
Speaker 3: the Raiders they can fortify that offensive line.

511
00:24:59,280 --> 00:25:01,120
Speaker 9: So here's what I would do, Dan, And maybe it's

512
00:25:01,119 --> 00:25:03,000
Speaker 9: just symbolic and it would be kind of funny, but

513
00:25:03,000 --> 00:25:04,639
Speaker 9: I would want to make my point if you're in

514
00:25:04,680 --> 00:25:07,000
Speaker 9: the draft room. If you go inside a draft room,

515
00:25:07,000 --> 00:25:08,480
Speaker 9: and now it's a lot more digital and they can

516
00:25:08,480 --> 00:25:10,760
Speaker 9: display it from a digital display, But when I was

517
00:25:10,840 --> 00:25:12,520
Speaker 9: doing it was cards. You have the cards up on

518
00:25:12,560 --> 00:25:14,639
Speaker 9: the wall, so you had the whole left side of

519
00:25:14,680 --> 00:25:17,159
Speaker 9: the huge wall. Left side is all the defensive players.

520
00:25:17,400 --> 00:25:20,160
Speaker 9: The right side is all the offensive players. So when

521
00:25:20,280 --> 00:25:21,919
Speaker 9: you know, you come in there for your first meeting

522
00:25:22,080 --> 00:25:23,720
Speaker 9: and maybe you got all your coaches in there for

523
00:25:23,760 --> 00:25:26,080
Speaker 9: the first time. After the season it's over, you have

524
00:25:26,119 --> 00:25:27,720
Speaker 9: the whole draft board up there. I would have a

525
00:25:27,800 --> 00:25:29,359
Speaker 9: race the entire defensive side of the board and I

526
00:25:29,359 --> 00:25:32,159
Speaker 9: would say, apologies and defensive coaches, but this year we

527
00:25:32,160 --> 00:25:34,359
Speaker 9: will just be drafting from this side of the board

528
00:25:35,359 --> 00:25:38,119
Speaker 9: to help to help our young quarterback. So you know,

529
00:25:38,240 --> 00:25:40,240
Speaker 9: I know, and I think I might even hurt this

530
00:25:40,280 --> 00:25:43,560
Speaker 9: on your show, like it's a good conversation, but you know, okay,

531
00:25:43,640 --> 00:25:45,639
Speaker 9: are they equipped right now with where they are to

532
00:25:45,680 --> 00:25:48,240
Speaker 9: take a quarterback? And what I would say is, now,

533
00:25:48,320 --> 00:25:51,200
Speaker 9: I think it's there's proof of concept and recently proof

534
00:25:51,240 --> 00:25:54,000
Speaker 9: of concept the Bears. I mean they revamped their pretty

535
00:25:54,040 --> 00:25:56,480
Speaker 9: much the whole O line in one year. The the

536
00:25:56,600 --> 00:25:57,880
Speaker 9: you know, like I know, it didn't They didn't play

537
00:25:57,880 --> 00:25:59,359
Speaker 9: as well as they would have liked in the Super Bowl.

538
00:25:59,440 --> 00:26:02,240
Speaker 9: But New England swapped out four starters in one year

539
00:26:02,400 --> 00:26:04,560
Speaker 9: and advanced all the way to the Super Bowl. I

540
00:26:04,600 --> 00:26:07,240
Speaker 9: think with free agency, you gotta, you gotta. You're gonna

541
00:26:07,240 --> 00:26:09,480
Speaker 9: have to overpay because you know you're the Raiders and

542
00:26:09,480 --> 00:26:10,840
Speaker 9: where you are right now, you're gonna have to outbid

543
00:26:10,920 --> 00:26:13,320
Speaker 9: some folks for the Tyler Linderbaums of the world. But

544
00:26:13,400 --> 00:26:15,080
Speaker 9: I would go all in on trying to get one

545
00:26:15,119 --> 00:26:17,440
Speaker 9: or two of those guys in free agency. Colton Miller

546
00:26:17,480 --> 00:26:19,919
Speaker 9: comes back healthy, that's probably the hardest piece to find it.

547
00:26:19,920 --> 00:26:22,440
Speaker 9: You've got a good functional left tackle, and then now

548
00:26:22,480 --> 00:26:24,880
Speaker 9: we go draft some some interior guys or a right

549
00:26:24,920 --> 00:26:28,000
Speaker 9: tackle as well. Throughout the draft. I think they can

550
00:26:28,040 --> 00:26:30,439
Speaker 9: make it comfortable enough that Mendoza can survive.

551
00:26:31,200 --> 00:26:34,760
Speaker 2: I just don't want another Andrew lux situation. Yeah, a

552
00:26:34,880 --> 00:26:36,080
Speaker 2: dating far situation.

553
00:26:36,840 --> 00:26:39,160
Speaker 9: I I I one hundred percent agree with you there.

554
00:26:39,280 --> 00:26:42,520
Speaker 9: But that's where the that's why you know, I apologize

555
00:26:42,560 --> 00:26:44,120
Speaker 9: to my coaches, and I've said this for the last

556
00:26:44,160 --> 00:26:47,119
Speaker 9: few years on anybody that takes a quarterback high. I

557
00:26:47,720 --> 00:26:50,040
Speaker 9: you have to look look to the future and and

558
00:26:50,160 --> 00:26:52,040
Speaker 9: just put yourself there and say, okay, at the end

559
00:26:52,119 --> 00:26:54,959
Speaker 9: of this year, not all seven and ten records are

560
00:26:55,000 --> 00:26:58,439
Speaker 9: the same. If we're seven and ten and my quarterback's

561
00:26:58,440 --> 00:27:01,240
Speaker 9: playing well and we're losing third one to twenty eight, man,

562
00:27:01,520 --> 00:27:04,520
Speaker 9: like you, your owner, your fan base is gonna feel

563
00:27:04,520 --> 00:27:06,800
Speaker 9: a lot better about that seven and ten team. Then

564
00:27:06,880 --> 00:27:08,399
Speaker 9: you thump in your chest and saying, we got a

565
00:27:08,440 --> 00:27:10,879
Speaker 9: top five defense. Don't know if this quarterback's any good

566
00:27:10,920 --> 00:27:12,920
Speaker 9: and he missed four games, he got the crap kicked

567
00:27:12,920 --> 00:27:14,760
Speaker 9: out of him, but we got a great defense. Like

568
00:27:14,800 --> 00:27:17,040
Speaker 9: that's those two records are the same, but they are

569
00:27:17,040 --> 00:27:18,600
Speaker 9: not the same in terms of the hope in the

570
00:27:18,640 --> 00:27:19,640
Speaker 9: in the direction of the team.

571
00:27:19,760 --> 00:27:22,480
Speaker 2: Who is the quarterback you loved? But he didn't plan

572
00:27:22,720 --> 00:27:23,640
Speaker 2: a pan out?

573
00:27:25,000 --> 00:27:27,400
Speaker 9: Oh gosh, that's I mean, I'm sure there's a long list.

574
00:27:27,600 --> 00:27:30,880
Speaker 9: I will say I didn't go into the school when

575
00:27:30,960 --> 00:27:33,199
Speaker 9: JaMarcus Russell was coming out. I went and saw him

576
00:27:33,240 --> 00:27:36,359
Speaker 9: play live, and I watched his tape and when I

577
00:27:36,400 --> 00:27:38,119
Speaker 9: was a young young skuy at that point in time.

578
00:27:38,560 --> 00:27:40,560
Speaker 9: That was the probably the most talented guy that I

579
00:27:40,600 --> 00:27:42,679
Speaker 9: ever saw. And it was like, Okay, I don't know

580
00:27:42,760 --> 00:27:44,640
Speaker 9: all the other stuff, the guys going to school get

581
00:27:44,640 --> 00:27:46,359
Speaker 9: all the character and the work ethic all that, but

582
00:27:46,400 --> 00:27:48,240
Speaker 9: I'd never seen the guy throw football like that. And

583
00:27:48,280 --> 00:27:50,240
Speaker 9: I was like this, I don't know how this doesn't work.

584
00:27:50,280 --> 00:27:52,719
Speaker 9: That guy's that's insane with the ability that he had.

585
00:27:52,760 --> 00:27:54,080
Speaker 9: And obviously we know that worked out.

586
00:27:54,200 --> 00:27:55,240
Speaker 2: Why didn't it work out?

587
00:27:56,280 --> 00:27:58,800
Speaker 9: I think it was probably more the other stuff, you know,

588
00:27:59,160 --> 00:28:02,040
Speaker 9: just in terms of the focus. He got heavy, you know,

589
00:28:02,119 --> 00:28:06,720
Speaker 9: the work ethic. I think those were more issues. I'm

590
00:28:06,760 --> 00:28:08,080
Speaker 9: telling you this day, Dan, it looked like he was

591
00:28:08,119 --> 00:28:09,959
Speaker 9: doing a nerf turbo. Like when you went out there

592
00:28:09,960 --> 00:28:11,560
Speaker 9: and watched him, it looked like he had that little

593
00:28:11,640 --> 00:28:14,520
Speaker 9: little tiny nerf turbo that whistled, that whistled when you

594
00:28:14,600 --> 00:28:14,919
Speaker 9: threw it.

595
00:28:15,480 --> 00:28:18,440
Speaker 2: Would you take a chance on Kyler or Tua?

596
00:28:20,240 --> 00:28:22,199
Speaker 9: I would? I think I would. I would do Kyler

597
00:28:22,240 --> 00:28:26,480
Speaker 9: on that one. I think he's more talented, more talented

598
00:28:26,520 --> 00:28:30,080
Speaker 9: guy and so and I've seen him, like I look

599
00:28:30,119 --> 00:28:31,920
Speaker 9: two has had some good moments for sure, and he's

600
00:28:31,920 --> 00:28:34,240
Speaker 9: played well, and I think that was I think it's

601
00:28:34,280 --> 00:28:38,480
Speaker 9: just very specific the uh environment for two to be successful.

602
00:28:38,520 --> 00:28:40,520
Speaker 9: I think Kyler could be a little more successful in

603
00:28:40,560 --> 00:28:41,840
Speaker 9: some different circumstances.

604
00:28:41,880 --> 00:28:44,920
Speaker 3: See, the problem I have is he's more talented, but

605
00:28:45,000 --> 00:28:47,160
Speaker 3: they're both kind of at the same place in their

606
00:28:47,200 --> 00:28:51,280
Speaker 3: careers where you know that if I'm going to take

607
00:28:51,280 --> 00:28:53,360
Speaker 3: a chance on him, he does have this talent, but

608
00:28:53,440 --> 00:28:55,920
Speaker 3: he didn't really showcase it the way he should have.

609
00:28:56,360 --> 00:28:58,440
Speaker 3: What why am I going to be led to believe

610
00:28:58,440 --> 00:29:00,800
Speaker 3: that he's going to now now he's going to be

611
00:29:00,960 --> 00:29:03,400
Speaker 3: Kyler Murray Well.

612
00:29:03,440 --> 00:29:04,920
Speaker 9: And the other side of that, though, is you get

613
00:29:04,960 --> 00:29:06,800
Speaker 9: two and all the head injuries.

614
00:29:06,800 --> 00:29:10,160
Speaker 3: Oh yeah, I don't want either one of them. Yes, yes,

615
00:29:10,280 --> 00:29:13,200
Speaker 3: I just and if I had to choose between two.

616
00:29:13,600 --> 00:29:15,360
Speaker 9: Yeah, I mean I kind of factoring all of that

617
00:29:15,400 --> 00:29:17,960
Speaker 9: stuff in together. But I'm just saying, at least at

618
00:29:18,040 --> 00:29:20,960
Speaker 9: least with Kyler, I mean, well, you know, maybe we

619
00:29:20,960 --> 00:29:23,360
Speaker 9: don't have a perfect offensive line. Like he can try

620
00:29:23,360 --> 00:29:25,000
Speaker 9: and run around and get me out of some stuff

621
00:29:25,000 --> 00:29:27,240
Speaker 9: with that, and he's given me he just gives me

622
00:29:27,280 --> 00:29:29,040
Speaker 9: more opportunities, whereas two, I think you got to have

623
00:29:29,080 --> 00:29:30,680
Speaker 9: a very firm offensive line. You got to have a

624
00:29:30,720 --> 00:29:33,040
Speaker 9: track team on the outside, and you have, you know,

625
00:29:33,040 --> 00:29:36,120
Speaker 9: an RPO quick passing game system very tailored to him.

626
00:29:36,640 --> 00:29:38,960
Speaker 2: You can have Mac Jones or Malik Willis.

627
00:29:40,240 --> 00:29:43,000
Speaker 9: I think I'd want to test out Malik Willis. Yeah,

628
00:29:43,120 --> 00:29:45,360
Speaker 9: I feel like I know I know where Mack is,

629
00:29:45,400 --> 00:29:48,200
Speaker 9: which is can be a good thing and a bad thing. Malik,

630
00:29:48,240 --> 00:29:50,680
Speaker 9: I don't have certainty there, but I'd be excited to

631
00:29:50,720 --> 00:29:52,160
Speaker 9: just see, just to see what we can do.

632
00:29:52,280 --> 00:29:52,880
Speaker 2: I like him.

633
00:29:53,360 --> 00:29:56,640
Speaker 3: I just think he's going to get that three year,

634
00:29:56,720 --> 00:30:01,840
Speaker 3: one hundred million dollar contract, and I would be excited

635
00:30:02,040 --> 00:30:05,440
Speaker 3: if if my team got Malik Willis, even if it's

636
00:30:05,480 --> 00:30:08,160
Speaker 3: the Dolphins or you know, I don't know if Minnesota.

637
00:30:08,280 --> 00:30:10,240
Speaker 3: But I don't mean what what do you hear at

638
00:30:10,240 --> 00:30:13,880
Speaker 3: the combine on destinations for some of these guys.

639
00:30:14,240 --> 00:30:16,560
Speaker 9: Yeah, I mean, look, it's just you're walking in the

640
00:30:16,560 --> 00:30:18,640
Speaker 9: halls and people are talking, and I don't know how

641
00:30:18,720 --> 00:30:20,760
Speaker 9: much you read into this historically over the years, how

642
00:30:20,840 --> 00:30:22,720
Speaker 9: much of it's accurate. But just a couple of things

643
00:30:22,760 --> 00:30:26,160
Speaker 9: that you hear was okay that you know Malik Willis

644
00:30:26,200 --> 00:30:28,920
Speaker 9: was Arizona. You know you heard that kicked around? Is

645
00:30:28,920 --> 00:30:31,040
Speaker 9: that he could you know, that could make sense with Arizona.

646
00:30:32,160 --> 00:30:34,240
Speaker 9: The one that I was heard was interesting was Gino

647
00:30:34,600 --> 00:30:38,320
Speaker 9: going to Minnesota was one that people were talking about

648
00:30:38,360 --> 00:30:40,640
Speaker 9: to give him the veteran with with McCarthy to see

649
00:30:40,680 --> 00:30:43,560
Speaker 9: where that goes. And then it just seemed to be

650
00:30:43,600 --> 00:30:45,680
Speaker 9: like there would be a good market for Kirk Cousins

651
00:30:45,880 --> 00:30:47,520
Speaker 9: was the other buzz that you hear, but not tied

652
00:30:47,560 --> 00:30:50,239
Speaker 9: an it's not not tied any specific team, but you know,

653
00:30:50,360 --> 00:30:51,680
Speaker 9: that was that was interesting.

654
00:30:51,720 --> 00:30:54,320
Speaker 3: But he's better than Michael Pennix. But they moved on

655
00:30:54,520 --> 00:30:55,600
Speaker 3: from Kirk Cousins.

656
00:30:56,120 --> 00:30:57,920
Speaker 9: Yeah, yeah, I mean it sounds like that's done. I

657
00:30:57,960 --> 00:31:00,080
Speaker 9: mean that's yeah, you know, he's he's moving on.

658
00:31:00,200 --> 00:31:03,040
Speaker 3: Yeah, like two weeks. I think he's gone and made

659
00:31:03,400 --> 00:31:05,000
Speaker 3: one hundred million in two years.

660
00:31:06,480 --> 00:31:07,520
Speaker 9: That's good work if you get it.

661
00:31:07,600 --> 00:31:09,960
Speaker 2: Oh my god. And he's going to get another contract here.

662
00:31:10,720 --> 00:31:11,120
Speaker 4: Yeah.

663
00:31:11,160 --> 00:31:12,600
Speaker 9: And when he's done with that, he's going to go

664
00:31:12,640 --> 00:31:14,200
Speaker 9: right in the TV and on TV.

665
00:31:16,080 --> 00:31:17,720
Speaker 3: Great to talk to you. We'll talk to you soon.

666
00:31:17,800 --> 00:31:21,720
Speaker 3: Thank you again, Daniel, Thanks buddy. That's Daniel. Jeremiah is

667
00:31:21,880 --> 00:31:26,000
Speaker 3: a podcast is Moving the Sticks. He's the Chargers radio

668
00:31:26,000 --> 00:31:30,160
Speaker 3: color commentator, former NFL scout and working for NFL Network.

669
00:31:30,360 --> 00:31:33,320
Speaker 3: We'll take a break when we come back. I thought

670
00:31:33,360 --> 00:31:38,000
Speaker 3: I knew everything about Todd Fritz. Prepare yourself. We have

671
00:31:38,280 --> 00:31:44,560
Speaker 3: a portion of the todcast podcast on Danpatrick dot com.

672
00:31:45,840 --> 00:31:50,000
Speaker 3: You won't look at Todd or listen to Todd the way

673
00:31:50,040 --> 00:31:51,080
Speaker 3: you used to after this.

674
00:31:51,440 --> 00:31:54,360
Speaker 1: Fox Sports Radio has the best sports talk lineup in

675
00:31:54,400 --> 00:31:57,760
Speaker 1: the nation. Catch all of our shows at foxsports Radio

676
00:31:57,880 --> 00:32:01,760
Speaker 1: dot com and within the iHeart Radio app search FSR

677
00:32:01,920 --> 00:32:02,760
Speaker 1: to listen live.

678
00:32:03,280 --> 00:32:06,960
Speaker 3: He's big Shot Bob Robert Orri and Laker analyst for

679
00:32:07,160 --> 00:32:11,320
Speaker 3: Spectrum Sportsnet, also joining us on behalf of sure Co.

680
00:32:11,920 --> 00:32:12,719
Speaker 2: We'll talk about that.

681
00:32:12,840 --> 00:32:16,680
Speaker 3: He's the Chief Impact Officer for Sureco, whose mission is

682
00:32:16,720 --> 00:32:22,040
Speaker 3: to transform healthcare for working Americans and helping underserved individuals

683
00:32:22,040 --> 00:32:26,320
Speaker 3: and families battling insurance costs and premiums. Good to see

684
00:32:26,320 --> 00:32:30,120
Speaker 3: you again, Bob. You know, every time I have you on,

685
00:32:30,400 --> 00:32:32,560
Speaker 3: I always think, why aren't you in the Hall of Fame?

686
00:32:33,800 --> 00:32:37,320
Speaker 3: Now it's seven titles and okay, and the reason why

687
00:32:37,360 --> 00:32:40,000
Speaker 3: I bring it up and now I really feel like

688
00:32:40,720 --> 00:32:44,640
Speaker 3: this is an injustice. Michael Cooper's in because he was

689
00:32:44,920 --> 00:32:49,120
Speaker 3: part of a collaboration with the Lakers one team. But

690
00:32:49,280 --> 00:32:52,800
Speaker 3: you won titles with the Lakers, the Rockets, in the Spurs,

691
00:32:52,920 --> 00:32:57,960
Speaker 3: and your nickname is big Shot Bob. I'm just trying

692
00:32:58,000 --> 00:33:00,480
Speaker 3: to understand, like you were a semi five unless I

693
00:33:00,480 --> 00:33:01,600
Speaker 3: think last year, Is that right?

694
00:33:02,800 --> 00:33:03,160
Speaker 4: I think?

695
00:33:03,160 --> 00:33:06,640
Speaker 10: So, you know, I don't keep up, but because if

696
00:33:06,680 --> 00:33:08,520
Speaker 10: I don't get in, I'd be too heartbroken.

697
00:33:08,600 --> 00:33:09,720
Speaker 4: So I don't really keep up.

698
00:33:10,480 --> 00:33:13,800
Speaker 3: But somebody makes a case for you. Somebody presents your

699
00:33:13,920 --> 00:33:15,560
Speaker 3: case to the correct the committee.

700
00:33:16,200 --> 00:33:16,560
Speaker 4: Correct.

701
00:33:16,680 --> 00:33:18,280
Speaker 10: Yeah, you know, Rudy t was when he had his

702
00:33:19,040 --> 00:33:21,800
Speaker 10: induction speech, he kind of gave me a shoutout and

703
00:33:21,840 --> 00:33:23,840
Speaker 10: then it kind of rolled from there. So this is

704
00:33:23,880 --> 00:33:27,040
Speaker 10: my second year being nominated. I didn't get in this year,

705
00:33:27,080 --> 00:33:29,560
Speaker 10: but you know, I'm keeping my fingers crossed. It's it's

706
00:33:29,600 --> 00:33:31,600
Speaker 10: disappointing when you don't get in. But on the other

707
00:33:31,640 --> 00:33:33,080
Speaker 10: side of that, there's a lot of guys that don't

708
00:33:33,080 --> 00:33:35,840
Speaker 10: even get you know, I mentioned a sniff of the

709
00:33:35,840 --> 00:33:38,320
Speaker 10: Hall of Fame, So I'm just I'm happy.

710
00:33:38,000 --> 00:33:39,440
Speaker 4: But not content.

711
00:33:39,880 --> 00:33:44,080
Speaker 3: Yeah, seven titles and being a contributor that to me,

712
00:33:45,280 --> 00:33:49,680
Speaker 3: nobody's had more titles and not made the Hall of

713
00:33:49,720 --> 00:33:53,080
Speaker 3: Fame than you. So that's why, like, I don't know,

714
00:33:53,200 --> 00:33:56,160
Speaker 3: it's just statistical anomaly. It feels like that You've been

715
00:33:56,200 --> 00:34:00,080
Speaker 3: part of three different franchises and even part of the

716
00:34:00,080 --> 00:34:02,000
Speaker 3: the Laker team, and I don't know if you felt

717
00:34:02,040 --> 00:34:05,600
Speaker 3: like maybe you were overshadowed by some of these players

718
00:34:05,640 --> 00:34:08,520
Speaker 3: you played with and maybe didn't get that acknowledgment.

719
00:34:09,239 --> 00:34:10,080
Speaker 4: Yeah, I do.

720
00:34:10,239 --> 00:34:13,600
Speaker 10: I do, because sometimes as a player, it's there are

721
00:34:13,600 --> 00:34:16,680
Speaker 10: more players like myself that sacrifice their games for everybody

722
00:34:16,680 --> 00:34:18,600
Speaker 10: else to be better. And I think about when I

723
00:34:18,640 --> 00:34:22,399
Speaker 10: got to Houston. You know, of course Dream, MVP, Shock, MVB,

724
00:34:22,600 --> 00:34:25,000
Speaker 10: Tim Dunn. You kind of take a back seat to

725
00:34:25,040 --> 00:34:27,280
Speaker 10: those guys, and for me, it was all about winning

726
00:34:27,320 --> 00:34:29,359
Speaker 10: and if I did it the right way, you were

727
00:34:29,360 --> 00:34:31,359
Speaker 10: gonna win. I felt like everything else was gonna take

728
00:34:31,360 --> 00:34:33,520
Speaker 10: care of itself. And I think about, you know, my

729
00:34:33,600 --> 00:34:35,680
Speaker 10: first couple of years in the league, where I were

730
00:34:35,360 --> 00:34:38,399
Speaker 10: a hundred guy, hundred steals, hundred blocks and never made

731
00:34:38,400 --> 00:34:40,080
Speaker 10: the All Defensive team. And that was one of the

732
00:34:40,080 --> 00:34:42,719
Speaker 10: things that really made me mad because I'm like how,

733
00:34:43,160 --> 00:34:45,080
Speaker 10: and I'm like, well, I was kind of overshot by

734
00:34:45,120 --> 00:34:46,920
Speaker 10: the guy who was a defensive Player of the Year,

735
00:34:46,920 --> 00:34:49,840
Speaker 10: I meaning Dream blocking shots, but I had almost dismissed

736
00:34:50,200 --> 00:34:53,520
Speaker 10: blocks I just do, you know, and for me it hurts.

737
00:34:53,840 --> 00:34:56,279
Speaker 10: But a lot of those guys in the Hall of

738
00:34:56,280 --> 00:34:58,480
Speaker 10: Fame don't have what I have in that seven championship.

739
00:34:58,520 --> 00:35:00,759
Speaker 3: Okay, I'm gonna give you the first pick. You can

740
00:35:00,840 --> 00:35:04,120
Speaker 3: have a kam Elijah Wan, you can have Tim Duncan,

741
00:35:04,160 --> 00:35:04,840
Speaker 3: you can have Shack.

742
00:35:06,520 --> 00:35:08,960
Speaker 10: If you're giving me the two thousand shack, I'm taking

743
00:35:09,080 --> 00:35:12,359
Speaker 10: Shack if I can pick out which guy I want.

744
00:35:12,400 --> 00:35:14,520
Speaker 4: You know, he was just so dominant the year he

745
00:35:14,560 --> 00:35:15,520
Speaker 4: won MVP Man.

746
00:35:15,560 --> 00:35:19,440
Speaker 10: You think about Abagon almost thirty twenty, and his personality

747
00:35:19,560 --> 00:35:22,719
Speaker 10: was is fantastic. In a dream would be second, and

748
00:35:22,840 --> 00:35:26,160
Speaker 10: Tim would be a close second third. But you can't

749
00:35:26,200 --> 00:35:28,279
Speaker 10: you can't really pick when you have great guys like

750
00:35:28,320 --> 00:35:30,799
Speaker 10: those three guys. You know, I enjoyed playing all three

751
00:35:30,840 --> 00:35:31,160
Speaker 10: of them.

752
00:35:31,360 --> 00:35:34,239
Speaker 3: How would your Rockets have done against Jordan's Bulls.

753
00:35:34,800 --> 00:35:36,279
Speaker 4: We would have beat him. We would beat him.

754
00:35:36,719 --> 00:35:39,480
Speaker 10: You know, it's it's it's everybody wants to and everybody's like, well,

755
00:35:40,160 --> 00:35:45,239
Speaker 10: Jordan is Jordan actually loses sometimes sometimes, you know, if

756
00:35:45,680 --> 00:35:48,200
Speaker 10: we just go about our record against the Bulls when

757
00:35:48,200 --> 00:35:50,120
Speaker 10: we were there, and we were pretty good, I think

758
00:35:50,120 --> 00:35:53,160
Speaker 10: when it comes to matchups and I think Vernon match

759
00:35:53,280 --> 00:35:56,400
Speaker 10: Mgup's MJ was pretty good matchup. Myself against Skyty was

760
00:35:56,440 --> 00:35:59,279
Speaker 10: a good matchup. But so now, who was gonna match

761
00:35:59,360 --> 00:36:02,040
Speaker 10: up with Dream Nobody? So, you know, and playing for

762
00:36:02,120 --> 00:36:04,920
Speaker 10: Field and knowing Field's mentality, I think we would have

763
00:36:04,920 --> 00:36:06,320
Speaker 10: won that serious And I know a lot of people

764
00:36:06,320 --> 00:36:09,319
Speaker 10: were like, man, you're crazy. I'm like, because Jordan Jordan.

765
00:36:09,480 --> 00:36:12,000
Speaker 10: People forget Jordan came back in ninety five. He had

766
00:36:12,000 --> 00:36:14,319
Speaker 10: a double nickel against the Knicks, but he got beat

767
00:36:14,400 --> 00:36:15,480
Speaker 10: by the Orlando Magic.

768
00:36:15,480 --> 00:36:17,120
Speaker 4: Why because his team wasn't good enough.

769
00:36:18,120 --> 00:36:19,960
Speaker 2: You ever discuss this with Jordan.

770
00:36:21,120 --> 00:36:24,279
Speaker 4: I've never had a chance to, and I would love to.

771
00:36:24,520 --> 00:36:26,360
Speaker 10: You know, it'll be a good debate, But I know

772
00:36:26,400 --> 00:36:28,640
Speaker 10: he's out winning NASCAR races, so he doesn't have time

773
00:36:28,680 --> 00:36:29,680
Speaker 10: for basketball anymore.

774
00:36:30,880 --> 00:36:33,040
Speaker 2: Better defender Jordan or Pippen.

775
00:36:33,600 --> 00:36:37,600
Speaker 10: Pipping by far, really by far. And this is the

776
00:36:37,600 --> 00:36:40,240
Speaker 10: one thing people don't understand about Scotty Pippen. Scotty Pippen

777
00:36:40,800 --> 00:36:43,080
Speaker 10: is the ultimate basketball player of me. He's one of

778
00:36:43,080 --> 00:36:45,480
Speaker 10: my top five of all time because when you think

779
00:36:45,480 --> 00:36:48,400
Speaker 10: about a player who can guard every position on the floor,

780
00:36:48,719 --> 00:36:51,040
Speaker 10: that's only like three of those that's ever existed, you know,

781
00:36:51,080 --> 00:36:52,360
Speaker 10: you think, but he can go to point guard, he

782
00:36:52,360 --> 00:36:55,400
Speaker 10: can go to the center, he can score. When Jordan left,

783
00:36:55,719 --> 00:36:57,920
Speaker 10: he took them to the Eastern Conference finals, and he

784
00:36:58,000 --> 00:37:00,399
Speaker 10: gets So that's the one thing about when you play

785
00:37:00,480 --> 00:37:03,880
Speaker 10: with greats, I mean, like supersidic greats like Michael Jordan.

786
00:37:04,440 --> 00:37:06,560
Speaker 10: Everybody else is, Oh, he only won because of George.

787
00:37:06,640 --> 00:37:09,520
Speaker 10: Maybe Jordan only only one because of Pipping. And I

788
00:37:09,560 --> 00:37:14,040
Speaker 10: think Pipping is so underrated and so unappreciated, and I

789
00:37:14,040 --> 00:37:16,920
Speaker 10: think people need to really sip. You take a seatback

790
00:37:17,160 --> 00:37:18,960
Speaker 10: and look at what he did throughout his career and

791
00:37:19,000 --> 00:37:20,680
Speaker 10: really marvel at what he did.

792
00:37:20,719 --> 00:37:22,200
Speaker 4: He was, he was great.

793
00:37:22,920 --> 00:37:25,920
Speaker 2: How often do you do play peacemaker between Kobe and Shack?

794
00:37:27,320 --> 00:37:29,879
Speaker 4: I never had to play peacemaker. It was the weirdest thing,

795
00:37:30,000 --> 00:37:30,200
Speaker 4: you know.

796
00:37:30,239 --> 00:37:33,359
Speaker 10: He was always Kobe was always you know, intense, Shaq

797
00:37:33,520 --> 00:37:36,400
Speaker 10: was always intense, and we always won. I think, you know,

798
00:37:36,480 --> 00:37:40,280
Speaker 10: winning solves all problems. You know, we would, We didn't.

799
00:37:40,560 --> 00:37:41,520
Speaker 10: We didn't lose much.

800
00:37:41,520 --> 00:37:44,279
Speaker 3: When I want to know, Shaq's goofy, and I didn't

801
00:37:44,280 --> 00:37:48,840
Speaker 3: know if that bothered Kobe, who isn't goofy.

802
00:37:47,840 --> 00:37:50,480
Speaker 10: But his thing is, you don't know Kobe, like we

803
00:37:50,560 --> 00:37:52,919
Speaker 10: knew Kobe. You get in practice. Don't get me wrong.

804
00:37:52,960 --> 00:37:55,880
Speaker 10: There are times in practice where everybody's intense, but then

805
00:37:55,920 --> 00:37:57,040
Speaker 10: you have those moments where.

806
00:37:56,880 --> 00:37:59,200
Speaker 4: You're shooting the bull and having fun.

807
00:37:59,560 --> 00:38:02,719
Speaker 10: And if we had film of us in the locker room,

808
00:38:03,040 --> 00:38:06,160
Speaker 10: Kobe b Shaw, Rick Fox and all of us and

809
00:38:06,239 --> 00:38:07,680
Speaker 10: Derrek Fisher, you'll be.

810
00:38:07,640 --> 00:38:09,440
Speaker 4: Like, man, y'all are silly. How do y'all win?

811
00:38:09,560 --> 00:38:11,560
Speaker 10: Because we have We used to have so much fun

812
00:38:11,840 --> 00:38:14,040
Speaker 10: on the planes, in the locker room outside of the camera.

813
00:38:14,080 --> 00:38:16,839
Speaker 10: Because the thing about great teams, when you step on

814
00:38:16,880 --> 00:38:19,759
Speaker 10: that court, you are focused, you getting the job done,

815
00:38:19,880 --> 00:38:21,359
Speaker 10: and that's what we were able to do. We got

816
00:38:21,400 --> 00:38:22,960
Speaker 10: the job done because we had a lot of vets,

817
00:38:23,000 --> 00:38:24,839
Speaker 10: a lot of guys who are hungry for championships.

818
00:38:25,200 --> 00:38:28,560
Speaker 3: Talking to Robert or the Lakers analysts for a Spectrum

819
00:38:28,600 --> 00:38:31,839
Speaker 3: Sports Net, it feels like we keep waiting for a

820
00:38:31,840 --> 00:38:35,880
Speaker 3: different alternative outcome for the Lakers, But it's the same Robert.

821
00:38:36,480 --> 00:38:39,720
Speaker 3: They I mean, they're top heavy with you know, talent,

822
00:38:40,880 --> 00:38:42,520
Speaker 3: and they do not play defense.

823
00:38:42,600 --> 00:38:47,640
Speaker 10: Well yeah, it's but I think when you look at

824
00:38:47,760 --> 00:38:50,040
Speaker 10: the Lakers, they have guys on the team that can

825
00:38:50,080 --> 00:38:53,160
Speaker 10: play defense, but the problem is we're such a three

826
00:38:53,200 --> 00:38:55,560
Speaker 10: ball team that when you put them in the game,

827
00:38:55,600 --> 00:38:57,960
Speaker 10: they're not three balls. You're talking about you know Van

828
00:38:58,080 --> 00:39:00,200
Speaker 10: Do you know Marcus Smartest up and down?

829
00:39:00,320 --> 00:39:01,880
Speaker 4: You have, you know Jackson Hayes.

830
00:39:02,400 --> 00:39:05,200
Speaker 10: Those guys are really good defenders, but you don't want

831
00:39:05,280 --> 00:39:07,600
Speaker 10: them on the court sometimes because you're thinking about threes.

832
00:39:08,080 --> 00:39:10,839
Speaker 10: And I'm all about getting buckets. I tell people all

833
00:39:10,840 --> 00:39:12,680
Speaker 10: the time, the NBA is not about threes. It's about

834
00:39:12,680 --> 00:39:14,520
Speaker 10: getting buckets. Who can get a bucket when they need

835
00:39:14,560 --> 00:39:17,280
Speaker 10: a bucket. And if you look at all the guys

836
00:39:17,280 --> 00:39:21,480
Speaker 10: who won championships, you look at Shake Gilger's MVP last year,

837
00:39:22,200 --> 00:39:25,200
Speaker 10: his game is not predicated on threes. It's predicated getting

838
00:39:25,239 --> 00:39:27,960
Speaker 10: that mid range jumper, getting to the hole, getting in one.

839
00:39:28,480 --> 00:39:32,160
Speaker 10: And then the year before that, it's like, somehow analytics

840
00:39:32,239 --> 00:39:35,440
Speaker 10: got thrown this where three balls win championships. I say,

841
00:39:35,520 --> 00:39:38,520
Speaker 10: but everybody doesn't have what Golden State has. Golden State

842
00:39:38,560 --> 00:39:40,879
Speaker 10: had Ferrari's when they come to shooting threes. Everybody else

843
00:39:40,920 --> 00:39:43,920
Speaker 10: got like maybe you know, Mercedes bands of BMW's And

844
00:39:43,960 --> 00:39:46,240
Speaker 10: so that is the difference that people have to understand.

845
00:39:46,360 --> 00:39:48,799
Speaker 10: Just because it worked for one team, that'sn't gonna mean

846
00:39:48,800 --> 00:39:50,040
Speaker 10: it's gonna work for everybody else.

847
00:39:50,880 --> 00:39:53,279
Speaker 3: Yeah, just trying to figure this out. I mean, can

848
00:39:53,320 --> 00:39:54,880
Speaker 3: you teach Luca to play defense?

849
00:39:56,000 --> 00:39:59,480
Speaker 10: You know, if Luca plays in spurts, and it's so

850
00:39:59,560 --> 00:40:01,280
Speaker 10: weird because sometimes you watched him.

851
00:40:01,160 --> 00:40:03,479
Speaker 4: Like, okay, Luca, you're gonna look to your feet, and.

852
00:40:03,400 --> 00:40:06,480
Speaker 10: Then sometimes he just goes and sits, you know, on

853
00:40:06,520 --> 00:40:09,600
Speaker 10: the block and grabs rebound and pushes it. I think

854
00:40:10,360 --> 00:40:13,960
Speaker 10: if the team as a whole got on each other

855
00:40:14,400 --> 00:40:16,319
Speaker 10: and say we need to play defense. And that's the

856
00:40:16,320 --> 00:40:18,400
Speaker 10: great thing about all the teams I played for. We

857
00:40:18,400 --> 00:40:20,520
Speaker 10: would yell at each other, we will argue with each other,

858
00:40:20,600 --> 00:40:22,120
Speaker 10: but at the end of the day, we know it's

859
00:40:22,120 --> 00:40:24,040
Speaker 10: for the best of the team because if you don't

860
00:40:24,040 --> 00:40:26,680
Speaker 10: play defense, you don't win. I think the Lakers, you know,

861
00:40:26,719 --> 00:40:29,399
Speaker 10: after getting beat by the Phoenix Suns last night without

862
00:40:29,400 --> 00:40:31,960
Speaker 10: their two best players, it's a sign that you've got

863
00:40:32,000 --> 00:40:32,760
Speaker 10: to play defense.

864
00:40:33,120 --> 00:40:35,719
Speaker 3: But in fairness to Luca, he's asked to carry so

865
00:40:35,800 --> 00:40:39,760
Speaker 3: much on the other end, right he's got his energy

866
00:40:39,840 --> 00:40:42,960
Speaker 3: should be directed to the offensive side of the ball.

867
00:40:43,800 --> 00:40:47,320
Speaker 10: So let me ask you this question. Michael Jordan played

868
00:40:47,320 --> 00:40:50,719
Speaker 10: on both ends of the floor. Right, Kobe Bryant played

869
00:40:50,760 --> 00:40:52,880
Speaker 10: on both ends of the floor, right, Elijah want to

870
00:40:52,880 --> 00:40:55,040
Speaker 10: play both ins and the floor, So why can't Luca

871
00:40:55,120 --> 00:40:57,280
Speaker 10: do it too? And that's the thing that's about basketball.

872
00:40:57,520 --> 00:40:59,640
Speaker 10: And the worst term that's ever used in basketball is

873
00:40:59,640 --> 00:41:02,120
Speaker 10: a two way player. That term should be thrown out.

874
00:41:02,239 --> 00:41:04,920
Speaker 10: That's only for football. And because basketball is a sport

875
00:41:04,960 --> 00:41:07,160
Speaker 10: played on both ends of the floor. You're gonna rest

876
00:41:07,200 --> 00:41:08,920
Speaker 10: a moments like a lot of players do. But you

877
00:41:09,000 --> 00:41:10,560
Speaker 10: have to play both ends of the floor. And I

878
00:41:10,560 --> 00:41:12,759
Speaker 10: think when you look at the game of basketball, that's

879
00:41:12,800 --> 00:41:14,720
Speaker 10: how the best players should be judged.

880
00:41:14,920 --> 00:41:16,600
Speaker 4: You know. You look at Kawhi, you know, and.

881
00:41:16,680 --> 00:41:19,839
Speaker 10: Fansis my MVP this year is Jalen Brown slash k

882
00:41:19,920 --> 00:41:21,799
Speaker 10: come Because those guys do it on both ends of

883
00:41:21,800 --> 00:41:23,920
Speaker 10: the floor, you know. And so that's the thing you

884
00:41:23,960 --> 00:41:26,400
Speaker 10: have to look at. Basketball is just not by offense.

885
00:41:26,440 --> 00:41:27,399
Speaker 10: It's about defense too.

886
00:41:27,560 --> 00:41:27,719
Speaker 9: Yeah.

887
00:41:27,760 --> 00:41:30,480
Speaker 3: I just don't think that lucas athletic the way Kobe

888
00:41:30,560 --> 00:41:34,719
Speaker 3: and Mike and a King word, he is athletic.

889
00:41:34,760 --> 00:41:35,719
Speaker 4: He just here's the thing.

890
00:41:35,719 --> 00:41:38,279
Speaker 10: There's a lot of guys that are like Luca, and

891
00:41:38,360 --> 00:41:41,120
Speaker 10: Luca's very very strong. So you have to use that

892
00:41:41,320 --> 00:41:43,839
Speaker 10: to your advantage, because you see sometimes when guys are

893
00:41:43,840 --> 00:41:45,520
Speaker 10: trying to get to the hole on Luca, when he

894
00:41:45,560 --> 00:41:48,240
Speaker 10: does move his feet, they bounce off because he's so solid.

895
00:41:48,520 --> 00:41:49,960
Speaker 4: He's just got to learn how to use that to

896
00:41:50,040 --> 00:41:50,640
Speaker 4: his advantage.

897
00:41:50,680 --> 00:41:53,040
Speaker 10: Every every NBA player adapts to the game, so he

898
00:41:53,080 --> 00:41:54,960
Speaker 10: can adapt defensively where he can learn.

899
00:41:55,040 --> 00:41:57,200
Speaker 4: You know, don't get me wrong, Lucas.

900
00:41:56,920 --> 00:41:59,640
Speaker 10: Is a beast though he can get his But I

901
00:41:59,680 --> 00:42:02,479
Speaker 10: think with a lot of teams now are isolating those

902
00:42:02,520 --> 00:42:03,799
Speaker 10: and doing a lot of one on one to try

903
00:42:03,840 --> 00:42:06,400
Speaker 10: to maliplate the defense to get draws and kicks. But

904
00:42:07,000 --> 00:42:09,680
Speaker 10: sometimes you just got to say, you know what, take

905
00:42:09,719 --> 00:42:10,760
Speaker 10: it on your own and guarded.

906
00:42:11,440 --> 00:42:14,880
Speaker 2: He does complain a lot, Robert, Hey.

907
00:42:14,719 --> 00:42:15,840
Speaker 4: What player in the NBA?

908
00:42:15,880 --> 00:42:20,959
Speaker 2: Okay, okay, Mike. Did Mike complain a lot? Did Jordan

909
00:42:21,040 --> 00:42:21,680
Speaker 2: complain a lot?

910
00:42:22,360 --> 00:42:26,640
Speaker 4: Uh? You know what, I can't really say because I

911
00:42:26,640 --> 00:42:27,640
Speaker 4: didn't play with him.

912
00:42:27,840 --> 00:42:30,239
Speaker 10: So when you play with someone, you watch someone eighty

913
00:42:30,239 --> 00:42:32,440
Speaker 10: two games, you can tell to complain a lot. And

914
00:42:32,480 --> 00:42:34,320
Speaker 10: I think you know, the only guy that complains a

915
00:42:34,400 --> 00:42:37,759
Speaker 10: lot and is justly so is Lebron James because he

916
00:42:37,800 --> 00:42:40,719
Speaker 10: gets beat up going to the hole sometimes and he

917
00:42:40,760 --> 00:42:43,240
Speaker 10: doesn't get the calls like a Shade does, like a Luca,

918
00:42:43,400 --> 00:42:45,920
Speaker 10: like an ar And so I think he's the only

919
00:42:46,000 --> 00:42:48,399
Speaker 10: ones to be should be allowed to complain in the league.

920
00:42:48,600 --> 00:42:51,680
Speaker 3: So you think it's legitimate that well, just like Shaq,

921
00:42:52,160 --> 00:42:55,080
Speaker 3: I mean, yeah, Shack got beat up every single time.

922
00:42:55,120 --> 00:42:57,120
Speaker 2: It felt like down the floor. Yeah.

923
00:42:57,160 --> 00:42:59,319
Speaker 10: I remember playing next to Shack and all you hear

924
00:42:59,400 --> 00:43:03,799
Speaker 10: is yeah, And the refs like, oh, he's strong enough

925
00:43:03,800 --> 00:43:05,600
Speaker 10: to handle that. He should it shouldn't bother him and that,

926
00:43:05,719 --> 00:43:09,040
Speaker 10: And that's not fair because Shay is strong enough, Lucas

927
00:43:09,080 --> 00:43:12,400
Speaker 10: strong enough. You know, Steph is strong enough. Because this

928
00:43:12,480 --> 00:43:13,920
Speaker 10: is what this is a man's league. It is not

929
00:43:13,960 --> 00:43:16,200
Speaker 10: a kid's league. Is a man league. So everybody should

930
00:43:16,200 --> 00:43:17,799
Speaker 10: be strong enough to with stand those hit but they

931
00:43:17,840 --> 00:43:19,440
Speaker 10: give them to certain players and they don't give it

932
00:43:19,480 --> 00:43:20,239
Speaker 10: to other players.

933
00:43:20,600 --> 00:43:22,640
Speaker 2: You grew up in Alabama, was there pressure for you

934
00:43:22,719 --> 00:43:23,400
Speaker 2: to play football?

935
00:43:24,520 --> 00:43:25,799
Speaker 4: My mother said no.

936
00:43:25,920 --> 00:43:29,719
Speaker 10: From Jump Street, she said, she said, you're allowed to

937
00:43:29,719 --> 00:43:31,799
Speaker 10: play two sports, and football is not enough.

938
00:43:32,000 --> 00:43:32,440
Speaker 9: I played.

939
00:43:32,800 --> 00:43:36,279
Speaker 10: I played baseball and basketball, and you know, and don't

940
00:43:36,320 --> 00:43:39,000
Speaker 10: get me wrong, I love love football. I wish I

941
00:43:39,000 --> 00:43:41,279
Speaker 10: could have played, you know, but it's one of those

942
00:43:41,280 --> 00:43:43,319
Speaker 10: things that you kind of mama knows best.

943
00:43:44,200 --> 00:43:46,480
Speaker 2: Are you an Alabama Crimson Tide fan?

944
00:43:47,120 --> 00:43:49,160
Speaker 4: Yes? I am. Oh.

945
00:43:49,320 --> 00:43:52,279
Speaker 10: You know Alabama went to Alabama from eighty eight to

946
00:43:52,360 --> 00:43:55,000
Speaker 10: ninety two, had four great years on the whim. Sanderson

947
00:43:55,080 --> 00:43:58,480
Speaker 10: won three SEC championships. Alabama's in my blood. My wife

948
00:43:58,520 --> 00:44:01,160
Speaker 10: always talks about why you always like Alabama that because

949
00:44:01,160 --> 00:44:01,800
Speaker 10: it's in my blood.

950
00:44:01,840 --> 00:44:03,120
Speaker 4: It's the same way you like USC.

951
00:44:03,760 --> 00:44:04,080
Speaker 1: Oh.

952
00:44:04,400 --> 00:44:09,440
Speaker 3: Okay, that had to be interesting conversations. Let me get

953
00:44:09,480 --> 00:44:12,320
Speaker 3: the plug in here. Robert Orris is the Chief Impact

954
00:44:12,360 --> 00:44:16,680
Speaker 3: Officer for sure co at s U R. E. COO,

955
00:44:17,280 --> 00:44:20,879
Speaker 3: and the mission is to transform healthcare for working Americans.

956
00:44:22,080 --> 00:44:25,400
Speaker 3: Tell us what else you're doing with this, well, shir

957
00:44:25,520 --> 00:44:26,240
Speaker 3: COO is the company.

958
00:44:26,239 --> 00:44:28,440
Speaker 10: Because I don't want to bore you with my story.

959
00:44:28,680 --> 00:44:31,359
Speaker 10: The story started when you leave the NBA. It's all

960
00:44:31,400 --> 00:44:33,680
Speaker 10: about what kind of insurance plan you had.

961
00:44:33,760 --> 00:44:34,319
Speaker 4: And then my.

962
00:44:34,360 --> 00:44:37,239
Speaker 10: Daughter who passed away at but it was hard to

963
00:44:37,239 --> 00:44:39,919
Speaker 10: get insurance for her because of the Obamacare, was finally

964
00:44:39,920 --> 00:44:42,520
Speaker 10: able to get insurance for her. And they kind of

965
00:44:42,520 --> 00:44:44,920
Speaker 10: heard my story on how I was frustrated with the

966
00:44:44,960 --> 00:44:48,160
Speaker 10: insurance and how it wasn't working for me, and then

967
00:44:48,200 --> 00:44:50,400
Speaker 10: how I have all this money in HR and I

968
00:44:50,440 --> 00:44:52,360
Speaker 10: can't touch And it was just a whole thing that

969
00:44:52,480 --> 00:44:55,120
Speaker 10: was like, you know what the two guys I met,

970
00:44:55,120 --> 00:44:58,440
Speaker 10: Matt and Matt they go Matt Chris, and so we

971
00:44:58,440 --> 00:45:00,560
Speaker 10: were talking. He was liked, man, you should join because

972
00:45:00,600 --> 00:45:03,279
Speaker 10: our mission is to try to change health care as

973
00:45:03,280 --> 00:45:05,880
Speaker 10: a whole and to try to do different things for

974
00:45:06,320 --> 00:45:09,239
Speaker 10: not just you know, businesses, but you know, people in

975
00:45:09,320 --> 00:45:11,720
Speaker 10: rural errors. And that's what excited me about it, because

976
00:45:12,000 --> 00:45:14,359
Speaker 10: I wanted to go to the rural errors because that's

977
00:45:14,400 --> 00:45:17,080
Speaker 10: where I'm from, to let them understand the insurance is

978
00:45:17,120 --> 00:45:19,480
Speaker 10: here for you. I know, it's difficult and it's hard

979
00:45:19,480 --> 00:45:22,080
Speaker 10: to understand it. Like I'm still learning, you know, and

980
00:45:22,120 --> 00:45:24,000
Speaker 10: I had to deal with a lot when it came

981
00:45:24,040 --> 00:45:26,960
Speaker 10: to my daughter asking and understanding how to get her

982
00:45:27,040 --> 00:45:28,600
Speaker 10: to proper care. And so it's just one of those

983
00:45:28,640 --> 00:45:30,520
Speaker 10: things we don't want people be afraid of it. You know,

984
00:45:30,600 --> 00:45:32,800
Speaker 10: take ten minutes twenty minutes a day and start reading

985
00:45:32,840 --> 00:45:34,560
Speaker 10: up on it so you can learn about you know,

986
00:45:34,680 --> 00:45:36,840
Speaker 10: ikra and all these other things. So that's what my

987
00:45:37,040 --> 00:45:40,520
Speaker 10: you know, Sugcar now trying to do. Basically, in a

988
00:45:40,560 --> 00:45:44,200
Speaker 10: whole we're trying to customize insurance for you, to make

989
00:45:44,239 --> 00:45:45,200
Speaker 10: it work better for you.

990
00:45:45,400 --> 00:45:47,400
Speaker 2: How old was your daughter once she passed away?

991
00:45:48,120 --> 00:45:49,360
Speaker 4: She was seventeen.

992
00:45:51,120 --> 00:45:54,160
Speaker 2: And you never get over then, yeah, you never do.

993
00:45:54,239 --> 00:45:55,880
Speaker 10: You know, you have those days when you wake up

994
00:45:55,960 --> 00:45:58,600
Speaker 10: and you see one little thing that reminds you and

995
00:45:58,640 --> 00:45:58,880
Speaker 10: you just.

996
00:45:58,880 --> 00:46:01,080
Speaker 4: Started crying and all this kind of stuff.

997
00:46:01,120 --> 00:46:04,080
Speaker 10: All you start smiling because you know when you when

998
00:46:04,080 --> 00:46:07,400
Speaker 10: you lose a loved one, you shouldn't always cry. You

999
00:46:07,440 --> 00:46:09,680
Speaker 10: know you missed them, of course, but you got to

1000
00:46:09,719 --> 00:46:12,160
Speaker 10: remember all those moments that gave you so much joy.

1001
00:46:12,200 --> 00:46:14,759
Speaker 10: And I remember sitting down and you know the last

1002
00:46:14,760 --> 00:46:16,400
Speaker 10: picture I had with her, I was eating the slices

1003
00:46:16,440 --> 00:46:18,359
Speaker 10: of pizza and she kept trying to out.

1004
00:46:18,280 --> 00:46:19,640
Speaker 4: Let me eating this one to hug me.

1005
00:46:19,680 --> 00:46:22,080
Speaker 10: So you have moments like that, a special and that'll

1006
00:46:22,080 --> 00:46:23,440
Speaker 10: stay with you with the rest of your life.

1007
00:46:24,200 --> 00:46:26,840
Speaker 3: Hopefully you got a special moment coming up here getting

1008
00:46:26,840 --> 00:46:27,680
Speaker 3: into the Hall of Fame.

1009
00:46:29,200 --> 00:46:33,080
Speaker 2: I'll keep sounding the alarm, Robert, I'll the alarm.

1010
00:46:33,640 --> 00:46:33,799
Speaker 6: Man.

1011
00:46:34,320 --> 00:46:36,040
Speaker 10: I want to say this, but that means a lot

1012
00:46:36,080 --> 00:46:38,400
Speaker 10: to me because I have a lot of people in

1013
00:46:37,680 --> 00:46:40,480
Speaker 10: my corner for the Hall of Fame, and I just

1014
00:46:40,560 --> 00:46:43,080
Speaker 10: want people to understand that they look at numbers a lot,

1015
00:46:43,200 --> 00:46:46,160
Speaker 10: how money points you scored, how many rebounds you got.

1016
00:46:46,400 --> 00:46:48,080
Speaker 10: But I just want to let everybody know, the Hall

1017
00:46:48,120 --> 00:46:50,280
Speaker 10: of Fame is not about what you did in the NBA.

1018
00:46:50,400 --> 00:46:51,719
Speaker 10: The Hall of Fame is about what you did in

1019
00:46:51,719 --> 00:46:54,719
Speaker 10: your basketball career. Because it was about the NBA. It'll

1020
00:46:54,760 --> 00:46:57,200
Speaker 10: be an NBA Hall of Fame. This is a basketball

1021
00:46:57,320 --> 00:46:59,600
Speaker 10: Hall of Fame. So thank you for having me on.

1022
00:46:59,640 --> 00:47:00,520
Speaker 10: I really appreciate it.

1023
00:47:00,560 --> 00:47:02,000
Speaker 2: Man, Robert Dorry