Speaker 1: Are you leaving?
Speaker 2: I you wanna way back home?
Speaker 1: Either way, we want to be there.
Speaker 3: Doesn't matter how much baggage you claim. You give us
Speaker 3: time and a termino and gay, we want to send
Speaker 3: you off in style.
Speaker 1: You wanna welcome you back home?
Speaker 2: Tell us all about it.
Speaker 1: We scared her? Was it fine? Malcorn? Do you need
Speaker 1: to ride? Do you need to ride? Do you need
Speaker 1: to ride? Do you need you ride?
Speaker 2: Ride with Karen and Chris? Welcome to Do you need
Speaker 2: to ride?
Speaker 1: This is Chris Fairbanks and this is Karen Kilgareth.
Speaker 2: Hello, my friend Karen.
Speaker 1: Hello Chris.
Speaker 2: Oh oh, I didn't know you'd take that tone with me?
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, all the way down, just a lower tone
Speaker 1: to Chinatown.
Speaker 2: Yeah, all the way down.
Speaker 1: And they took it downtown and.
Speaker 4: Bay Area and back down. I went to see a
Speaker 4: concert in the desert.
Speaker 1: Let's hear about it.
Speaker 2: We okay, so at the beginning this you saw my
Speaker 2: we we were going to go in together with this
Speaker 2: on this story.
Speaker 1: On this, well you go first, and mine's more of
Speaker 1: a tag. You actually have a story.
Speaker 4: I mean, well, that's building this up. It's it's gonna
Speaker 4: need I hear.
Speaker 1: It's unbelievable racing.
Speaker 4: This story is reliant on your tag. I just want
Speaker 4: you to know that ahead of time.
Speaker 1: Okay, that I'm gonna beef it up. I'm gonna embell it.
Speaker 4: Please beef it up ahead of time. You can add
Speaker 4: the beef whenever you see fit.
Speaker 1: I'm gonna sprinkle beef on top like a taco salad
Speaker 1: of your story.
Speaker 2: Oh now I'm hungry. I went to that. I don't
Speaker 2: I'm not a desert person. It was very hot.
Speaker 4: I went there for a memorial of a more of
Speaker 4: an acquaintance, and I was in a house with people
Speaker 4: who very much knew each other. And then I laughed
Speaker 4: suddenly and went to this concert. But the drummer of
Speaker 4: super Chunk, one of my favorite bands, had gotten COVID.
Speaker 4: So I saw an acoustic version very in the very
Speaker 4: hot desert, and add the beef whenever you want. It
Speaker 4: was not a band that I that. They were uncomfortable.
Speaker 4: They said from the beginning, Wow, this is h I
Speaker 4: sure wish we had a drummer. He feels fine and
Speaker 4: we're outdoors. It would be great if he is here, Bud,
Speaker 4: he isn't.
Speaker 1: Uh drama, Maybe some behind the scenes drama from the tone.
Speaker 2: Yeah I could.
Speaker 4: I could hear some arguing and things being said that
Speaker 4: go back, go back dozens of years. But it Actually
Speaker 4: they do have an album that is acoustic, and those
Speaker 4: songs were great, but I want to sing along like
Speaker 4: it's nineteen ninety three.
Speaker 1: Super chunk Is can do whatever they want to do.
Speaker 1: I think they're very talented there. I wouldn't think of
Speaker 1: them first as acoustic.
Speaker 2: No, no, they are allowed.
Speaker 4: I wouldn't say punk band, but I overheard the parking
Speaker 4: attendant described them as a punk band from the seventies,
Speaker 4: and I wanted to correct him, but he was busy
Speaker 4: parking cars.
Speaker 1: Yeah, he's not into details. He's more about, you know,
Speaker 1: big swings, right, just general information.
Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, and he it was. It was a swing
Speaker 4: and a miss, but it was a big one.
Speaker 5: Well.
Speaker 1: My only kind of lightly spiced ground beef that I
Speaker 1: have to sprinkle on top of this salad right now
Speaker 1: is that I had. You told me that you were
Speaker 1: going down to see them, and I was like, well,
Speaker 1: I get to see them here in Los Angeles. I
Speaker 1: don't even have to drive.
Speaker 2: Oh you had me, I did.
Speaker 1: I didn't want it right in your face. Thrown in
Speaker 1: when we were already fighting.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 1: Yeah, that was a bad fight last week.
Speaker 4: It was such a terrible flip chunk, What.
Speaker 1: Are you a drummer? With COVID all of a sudden,
Speaker 1: So I was going to go see them at the
Speaker 1: Terogram Ballroom Sunday night, which I think was the night
Speaker 1: after you saw them in the Desert, and then the
Speaker 1: show got canceled, and I felt I was really excited
Speaker 1: to see them. It felt very like it's time to
Speaker 1: revisit the past and healed those old wounds as stand
Speaker 1: in the Teargramd ballroom. But once I saw on Twitter
Speaker 1: they were like, we're so sorry, we have to cancel.
Speaker 1: I was like, yes, So I get the credit of
Speaker 1: making a plan and making an effort and not being
Speaker 1: a weird hermit, but at the same time, I don't
Speaker 1: actually have to do anything.
Speaker 4: Yeah, and I did the research that let them know
Speaker 4: they shouldn't do a second show in Los Angeles because
Speaker 4: the one in the desert. They felt, obviously, let's not
Speaker 4: do this in the big city.
Speaker 1: Yeah that's well, because that's hard. Suddenly you're all like
Speaker 1: you're supposed to be fingerpicking.
Speaker 2: Hey, they did it.
Speaker 1: Jams total jams.
Speaker 2: They were great. But yeah, it's just it's let's pretend
Speaker 2: we're a different band.
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's probably not satisfying to them, especially having waited
Speaker 1: to go on tour. You're all excited, you're finally on
Speaker 1: tour again after the pandemic. Yeah, and they're like, oh wait,
Speaker 1: it's still the pandemic.
Speaker 4: Speaking of waiting for satisfaction, Hey, we have a guest
Speaker 4: today that is a dear friend of mine and yours mine.
Speaker 4: I'm very excited and have her back. I used to
Speaker 4: keep her to myself in a tiny house. Everyone put
Speaker 4: your why do I want to say, put your hands together,
Speaker 4: clap in your houses that as you listen and at
Speaker 4: your office desks for today's guest, tig nataro.
Speaker 5: Thank you, Thank you. There's enough of me to go around. Easy, everybody,
Speaker 5: Everyone sit down, relax in your homes. There's enough of
Speaker 5: me to go around.
Speaker 1: The irony that we didn't introduce you by saying she
Speaker 1: plays clubs and colleges all over the country is pretty amazing,
Speaker 1: because we say that about every guest and you actually,
Speaker 1: technically you do play clubs and colleges all over the country,
Speaker 1: don't you.
Speaker 5: Well, I mean, if I can be specific theaters.
Speaker 2: Yeah, yes, you can.
Speaker 4: A lot of these colleges have theaters on campus. I
Speaker 4: just won't let go of the fact that you stopped
Speaker 4: doing colleges.
Speaker 1: That we all stopped in two thousand.
Speaker 5: Well, you know, I didn't go to college, but I
Speaker 5: did go to colleges to do comedy all over this country.
Speaker 4: I was my intro was going to be today's guest
Speaker 4: hasn't been to college?
Speaker 2: Put your hands together for too, guitar.
Speaker 1: You know that'll be the new catch all intro today's guests.
Speaker 1: Didn't go to college for anybody? Anybody? Right, everybody?
Speaker 5: Yeah? Is that your dog? Or did you leave your
Speaker 5: door open?
Speaker 1: She does have that vibe right of like, hey, I'm
Speaker 1: recording right now. Well this is my new puppy Blossom.
Speaker 1: Oh hi Blossom, see hi. Yeah.
Speaker 5: I love thinking of you being that casual that you
Speaker 5: would just have left your door open and a dog
Speaker 5: came in and started looking you and you're not miss
Speaker 5: a beat.
Speaker 1: Just kind of be real calm about it.
Speaker 5: I was gonna say, Chris and I basically lived like
Speaker 5: that with our doors open and stray animals would walk
Speaker 5: into our house and then we own them together.
Speaker 2: I think that you.
Speaker 4: I had the kitty come because I had my side doors.
Speaker 4: I had my own doors, so I can leave in
Speaker 4: the middle of the night and take I had a.
Speaker 1: Door too, Chris.
Speaker 2: Yeah, but you would have to go.
Speaker 4: You couldn't leave, like get out of bed and roll
Speaker 4: out the front door and play in the street like
Speaker 4: I did.
Speaker 2: I was letting you on that one. Yeah I didn't.
Speaker 2: I yeah, Yeah, welcome.
Speaker 4: I'm gonna one up you. Uh, yeah, I would. I
Speaker 4: was letting that kitty in probably for a longer amount
Speaker 4: of time than you know, that kid. That kitty was
Speaker 4: coming into my bed given me.
Speaker 1: I think now's the time to tell her how much
Speaker 1: time it was.
Speaker 5: I know what this feels like. Honestly, my son Max
Speaker 5: called our family together and told us, I think it's
Speaker 5: time that I tell somebody this. I think it's time
Speaker 5: you know this. And we were waiting and he said,
Speaker 5: when I I was a baby, I used to eat
Speaker 5: our baby toothpaste directly from the tube.
Speaker 1: How old is Max?
Speaker 5: He'll be six in June. But the fact that he's
Speaker 5: been holding on to this and finally announced it gives
Speaker 5: me hope that there's not terrible secrets, you know.
Speaker 2: What I mean? Yeah, that is so sweet.
Speaker 4: He threw his own little toothpaste intervention also too.
Speaker 1: Baby toothpaste is really delicious, have you ever It's sweeter
Speaker 1: and like kind of more flavorful than adult toothpaste or
Speaker 1: it's bubblegum flavor.
Speaker 5: Yeah, well you're trying to lure you into brushing your
Speaker 5: teeth and not eating it though.
Speaker 1: No, but I have.
Speaker 5: I've tasted a little bit, but I just just a
Speaker 5: very small amount, not enough to where I had to
Speaker 5: announce it to my family that I'm eating toothes of toothpaste.
Speaker 2: Yeah, and it's become a problem.
Speaker 1: Yeah, guys, I got get this off my chest.
Speaker 5: I just like that he felt like there was a
Speaker 5: safe amount of time that had passed, or it's like,
Speaker 5: I think I can go ahead and tell everybody this now.
Speaker 4: Way, it was Stephanie and Fluff and everyone was in
Speaker 4: different rooms in the house, and he had everyone we
Speaker 4: have to meet in the living room in ten minutes.
Speaker 5: Well, and there's two more cats. We have kitty city
Speaker 5: over here. Now we have kitty Kitty City is in
Speaker 5: full swing over at the notaro.
Speaker 1: Oh, I can't how many cats?
Speaker 5: Three it's Fluff, Skip and Linus.
Speaker 4: Do you ever call that cat, and then he picks
Speaker 4: up the phone and goes, Kitty City, Can you hold please?
Speaker 5: Well, it's just constant. We have so many calls at
Speaker 5: Kitty City.
Speaker 2: They're not.
Speaker 5: Nobody's that calm when they answer the phone at Kitty City.
Speaker 4: If you aren't already doing it, and imagine a cat
Speaker 4: that is an old timey operator.
Speaker 1: Yeah, just at a at.
Speaker 2: A board, a button board.
Speaker 5: And a little paw pushing down Kitty City. Please hold
Speaker 5: Kitty City. Can you hold please, Kitty City and never
Speaker 5: get back to anyone.
Speaker 4: Yeah, every call is left hang if that if that visual,
Speaker 4: If you aren't able to see it, you're like you're
Speaker 4: left brained or something. You're missing out because that is
Speaker 4: a cat feverishly typing. Is I'll never get tired of it,
Speaker 4: I'll tell you that.
Speaker 2: No, yeah, be it.
Speaker 5: A mean tired of any cat doing anything?
Speaker 2: Yeah, I get tired of him dying on me?
Speaker 5: Yeah, on you, actually on you?
Speaker 1: Yeah?
Speaker 4: Except why it's my chest, the race thing, the resting
Speaker 4: place midnight easy.
Speaker 1: The elephant graveyard for cats chest. They all go there secretly.
Speaker 4: Just wake up and a dead cat's on my chest,
Speaker 4: like breakfast in bed. Here we go again, this again.
Speaker 4: I try and lick it back to life. Bathe it
Speaker 4: you know what I mean, lick it.
Speaker 1: Bathe like a like a mother the nice way.
Speaker 5: Yeah, the mother with a mustache.
Speaker 1: And they do exist. They do exist.
Speaker 5: It's gonna be me in a couple of years if
Speaker 5: not now, if I don't stay on top of things.
Speaker 1: Yeah, really, Max, This next big confession is like, you
Speaker 1: gotta shave that musta. He gathers the family around Taga.
Speaker 1: I have to tell you that I think of you
Speaker 1: like once a month. Oh, because for many reasons, but
Speaker 1: because there is a ro card reader. It's astrology based
Speaker 1: terro readings. They look so similar to you except for
Speaker 1: their Russian accent. And every time I go they're really
Speaker 1: good at reading tarot cards. But it's always a bummer.
Speaker 1: They're like, oh, Taurus, but it looks like you doing
Speaker 1: a character just for me in this way that just
Speaker 1: so you'll think of me. It isn't that funny, But
Speaker 1: it's really crazy because it was like it's the hair
Speaker 1: and the general kind of chill vibe but then with
Speaker 1: a Russian kind of twist. I'm gonna have to sign
Speaker 1: you a link. Please you like it?
Speaker 2: Please do I take I not to one up. Karen.
Speaker 4: I think of you every day because on my wall
Speaker 4: there's a poster of a teenage Tom Cruise.
Speaker 2: If if, if you do, you have nearby some wayfarer
Speaker 2: Bandra Ray band or band.
Speaker 5: Ray I they're downstairs, and I feel silly because they
Speaker 5: are my favorite sunglasses. And I feel like one of
Speaker 5: those people that looks like a celebrity that's trying to
Speaker 5: feed into it more. And you know when people do that,
Speaker 5: ye hear that you look like someone, then you just
Speaker 5: and I'm not trying to.
Speaker 4: Do it, but Karen, I, if you ever see taking
Speaker 4: a pair of sunglass, just the smile you have like this,
Speaker 4: you can morph into Tom Cruise and there doesn't need Did.
Speaker 5: You see by chance the the the movie I was
Speaker 5: in Army of the Dead.
Speaker 4: Of course I did, Okay, can I asked some questions
Speaker 4: about it?
Speaker 5: Okay, I was going to say, that's a real there's
Speaker 5: some pictures of me where I'll show you on zoom
Speaker 5: and our our listeners. All of a sudden, it's the
Speaker 5: three of us.
Speaker 1: Welcome back to you.
Speaker 5: I took a bit of a break, but no, I
Speaker 5: I was a little alarmed how much I looked like
Speaker 5: Tom cruise in this Uh, you know enough to wear right.
Speaker 2: There's something there's a top gun factor that's.
Speaker 1: Happened a little bit.
Speaker 6: Yes, flat suit that yeah? Wait?
Speaker 1: Can I just ask really quick when that trailer came out?
Speaker 1: I am sorry because I only saw the trailer, But
Speaker 1: was it me cod? Was that pre COVID? Though? When
Speaker 1: that came out? Would I have seen it in the
Speaker 1: theater or did I see it at home by myself?
Speaker 5: Nobody has seen it in the theater? Oh the trailer?
Speaker 1: The trailer?
Speaker 5: Yeah yeah, yeah, you saw it alone by yourself? Is
Speaker 5: that what you said?
Speaker 1: That's because I have a memory, and maybe it was
Speaker 1: just because that's how people were talking about it on Twitter.
Speaker 1: But when you appeared in the trailer, I felt like
Speaker 1: people cheered, But I guess that was just in my house.
Speaker 1: But it was just like you kind of you're like
Speaker 1: halfway through the trailer, right, you step in and you
Speaker 1: have like a fucking grenade launcher or some gas can.
Speaker 5: I have a gas can?
Speaker 1: Yeah?
Speaker 4: Yeah, And it wasn't If you close your eyes and imagine,
Speaker 4: like maybe a hypnotist brings you back to that moment,
Speaker 4: you realize the crowd cheering is just blossom barking.
Speaker 1: Or snoring.
Speaker 2: Oh wow, perfect timing.
Speaker 1: And I was just I had that kind of like
Speaker 1: a quarantine psychosis where I was just like, yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: I'm just see people everywhere. Yeah, she's done it, look
Speaker 1: at her.
Speaker 2: Go thank you, house plants. You've been terrific.
Speaker 5: Yes, well, if I can just follow up everyone thinking
Speaker 5: about each other.
Speaker 1: I think about both of you.
Speaker 5: I don't know the exact amount of times, but it's
Speaker 5: very frequent, and I'm sure I've probably said it to
Speaker 5: you both, and you probably both hear this from many people.
Speaker 5: But you are two of the funniest people living on
Speaker 5: the planet. And I was thinking earlier about how of
Speaker 5: course you both connected, you know, like, of course, of course,
Speaker 5: of course, of course you know. And well, it's true though,
Speaker 5: it's it's ridiculous. I mean, my brother and I. You
Speaker 5: haven't met my brother's wife yet, have you, Chris, No, Okay,
Speaker 5: my brother and I had a night at his house
Speaker 5: in Maine. He lives in Maine now, he left Denver,
Speaker 5: and he's in an old farmhouse that's beautiful in Maine,
Speaker 5: and he and I did a whole Chris Fairbanks, you
Speaker 5: gotta see this video. You gotta hear this, pull up
Speaker 5: that clip where blah blah blah, and we just went
Speaker 5: on and on and she was dying laughing. All good
Speaker 5: and you ask My brother said something like, oh, my gosh,
Speaker 5: so and so is he's hilarious, he's the funniest. And
Speaker 5: I said, wait a minute, he's the funniest. Would you
Speaker 5: really say he's the funniest when somebody like Chris Fairbanks
Speaker 5: is alive?
Speaker 1: And then turned to his.
Speaker 5: Wife and we just went through the greatest hits and
Speaker 5: then I showed them the the Rastafarian bit that my
Speaker 5: brother hadn't even seen. And anyway she was she was
Speaker 5: dying laughing.
Speaker 4: Oh that's because that being in that situation where someone's
Speaker 4: trying to uh sell a person and they're just it's
Speaker 4: with videos they randomly find, because I'm always like, well
Speaker 4: not this one, not.
Speaker 5: This one, hold on, they're funnier in person.
Speaker 1: No, this is long. Yeah.
Speaker 4: I do it with dying with Henry Phillips to people
Speaker 4: all the time, and me too, pull up a random
Speaker 4: kitchen video and I'm like, that was good, but you
Speaker 4: got to.
Speaker 2: See one of the classes.
Speaker 5: There's a better one.
Speaker 2: And then they're like, when can I when can I
Speaker 2: lea the room.
Speaker 1: You know, the best Henry Phillips video is You and
Speaker 1: Your Fucking Coffee. When he goes, he brings his big
Speaker 1: coffee cup and he goes to vote in someone's going,
Speaker 1: you're right, so perfect. It's the most perfect comedy video.
Speaker 1: It's You and Your fucking Coffee and all he does
Speaker 1: is go and spill coffee everywhere because he's the guy
Speaker 1: that won't not bring a gigantic mug of coffee everywhere
Speaker 1: you go.
Speaker 5: It is and that's one of those stories where if
Speaker 5: you shared it with somebody to go, oh, okay, yeah,
Speaker 5: you're like, no, you got it.
Speaker 1: You got to see Henry Phillips. It's the funniest.
Speaker 5: But to be to follow it up, my brother did say,
Speaker 5: and you're right, that guy is not the funniest.
Speaker 2: Verst all that I love. He's the best. I love that.
Speaker 4: When he was doing that sports talk radio program, I
Speaker 4: called in and just revealed I think he probably had
Speaker 4: to know.
Speaker 6: I don't know about sports sports sticks Papa, but I
Speaker 6: do I do know how to talk around subjects.
Speaker 2: I'm very good at that.
Speaker 4: If there's something that's supposed to be talked about, I
Speaker 4: can veer away from it. So I'm perfect for I'm
Speaker 4: perfect for a sports talk radio show, and this is
Speaker 4: my audition.
Speaker 1: By guys, please please call in and cast Chris on
Speaker 1: your radio show terrestrial only.
Speaker 2: Please Drive Time Classic, Clear Channel based. Well, I love
Speaker 2: your brother, and I love you Tick.
Speaker 5: I love you, and Karen, I love you, Thank you, Tick.
Speaker 1: I love you Ti.
Speaker 5: And I know there's a while that I should apologize
Speaker 5: for where I texted you weekly telling you that Stephanie
Speaker 5: and I couldn't stop listening to your album.
Speaker 1: No No, I never apologize for that.
Speaker 5: Yeve at the Bootleg Theater. We couldn't stop. We could
Speaker 5: not stop.
Speaker 1: It really mattered because I will tell you this, Okay,
Speaker 1: it's hard enough to put whatever you think is good
Speaker 1: out and stand behind it. But guitar comedy it's rough.
Speaker 1: And so you're this thing where you were just like
Speaker 1: I need to tell you it's getting crazy or whatever.
Speaker 1: The enthusiasm it was just like, cause I give Chris
Speaker 1: shit about this all the time, where he'll be like
Speaker 1: it was a terrible audience and I was eating it.
Speaker 1: I'm like, you're wrong. I've seen you do this to yourself.
Speaker 1: You're completely wrong. You don't understand, and I know I
Speaker 1: do it to myself too, which is probably good. Like
Speaker 1: we're not sitting here going we killed it.
Speaker 5: Every time, it nailed it, nailed it, nailed it.
Speaker 1: But with something like that, we were like singing songs.
Speaker 1: It's just very vulnerable in a way that I kind
Speaker 1: of it's incredible. Didn't understand it's incredible.
Speaker 5: It's incredible.
Speaker 1: Thank yeah, yeah, yeah, that meant a lot.
Speaker 4: Did you discover that album recently, tig Or? Are you
Speaker 4: talking years ago?
Speaker 5: When you first years ago when it came out and
Speaker 5: then I turned Stephanie onto it and her head exploded,
Speaker 5: and then I mean to this day, we still reference
Speaker 5: it or sing the songs to each other. It's such
Speaker 5: a part of our lives, and it's just it's really one.
Speaker 5: I don't always enjoy a comedy album, just like I
Speaker 5: don't always enjoy a comedy special, but man, do I
Speaker 5: love your album. It's just it's so I mean, aside
Speaker 5: from your your voice being so so beautiful, but the
Speaker 5: comedy and also the how you clearly don't care about
Speaker 5: switching between comedy and heartbreaking moments, and I mean really
Speaker 5: where you're like, oh I feel that, and that's felt
Speaker 5: like a real emotion in that song and then you
Speaker 5: say something so ridiculous and then you're back to like
Speaker 5: destroying me. You know, it's I've never seen anybody do
Speaker 5: it like that. And one of the other great says
Speaker 5: we've talked about is Henry Phillips.
Speaker 1: Yes, oh my god, you both do that.
Speaker 4: That's why I wouldn't when you say guitar comedy, we
Speaker 4: all think of parodies. We think of like, uh, playing
Speaker 4: along to joke telling, and you there's enough feel heartfelt
Speaker 4: moments that I that is kind of what I walk
Speaker 4: away with them, Like that business the Business Situation song
Speaker 4: someone posted that I love just the details in it.
Speaker 2: It's not necessarily jokes. You don't have jokes in the lab.
Speaker 5: But I think also the important element is that with
Speaker 5: I mean, you do so many different things, Karen, and
Speaker 5: if you are one of those people where the audience
Speaker 5: can rest assured that they're in good hands, so whatever
Speaker 5: it is that you're doing, you can sit back and go,
Speaker 5: this is going to be incredible.
Speaker 2: You know what I just realized.
Speaker 4: I think that that you have a calming tone to
Speaker 4: your voice that I don't have. I think I sometimes
Speaker 4: my voice brings people anxiety. You don't know where I'm
Speaker 4: going to go with a sentence. You do have a
Speaker 4: tone to your voice that people know it's going to be.
Speaker 1: Okay, thank you. You know. I think I'm doing an
Speaker 1: impression of my psychiatric nurse mother, where everything is a
Speaker 1: little bit like, let's bring this down. Everything's fine. It's that.
Speaker 1: But it's funny to hear that, because, of course, my
Speaker 1: experience of doing comedy always was like I'm going to
Speaker 1: get on that stage and I'm going to fight these
Speaker 1: people one at a time. Like it was so aggressive
Speaker 1: and so.
Speaker 5: And you would I saw you do it one at
Speaker 5: a time. You kick their teeth in and kick them
Speaker 5: out the door.
Speaker 1: We all fight, you all, and you'll still laugh with
Speaker 1: my jokes. So it was always that's a very nice
Speaker 1: It's always good to hear other people. I think that's
Speaker 1: a thing on comedy that's so hard, and I think
Speaker 1: coming up in the nineties, no one ever was nice
Speaker 1: to anybody about their sets. It was so competitive until
Speaker 1: we all got to la I think, and people kind
Speaker 1: of started to realize like, oh, we have to be
Speaker 1: a group and support each other. But I always felt
Speaker 1: like antagonism or like I had to be you know,
Speaker 1: ready for ready with a quip or something like that.
Speaker 1: So that's really notice. I like that, you know, the
Speaker 1: older I got, I realized like, oh, there's plenty for everybody.
Speaker 2: We're fine.
Speaker 1: I'm fine, I'll get mine.
Speaker 5: Yeah.
Speaker 4: It does not have to be a fight anymore now,
Speaker 4: and it isn't. Things have changed. Even skateboarding was like that.
Speaker 4: There's like a tough guy thing in the early nineties,
Speaker 4: like a territorial thing, and it it. I can always
Speaker 4: draw parallels with comedy and skateboarding, and people love to
Speaker 4: hear them.
Speaker 1: But that's why he's doing it again. Come gather around, Yeah,
Speaker 1: get Chris's panel. Chris is starting his panel.
Speaker 4: But yeah, it's it's kind of gone away. We're in
Speaker 4: a better place. The nineties were terrible but great for music.
Speaker 4: Mm hmmm, well it's true.
Speaker 5: Yeah, I just mind and the sentence with thats too.
Speaker 4: Oh in general, when you're playing drums, you look like.
Speaker 2: Just a kid.
Speaker 4: You we're like turned into a child on the ground.
Speaker 4: Your smile, you had like a look on your face
Speaker 4: that was not normal, one of your Tig character faces.
Speaker 4: And I'd seen all of them. All Tig and I
Speaker 4: used to do in our tiny hat is do little
Speaker 4: characters try them out on each other in the hallway,
Speaker 4: and then we go to our quarters and that was
Speaker 4: the show.
Speaker 5: You'd go into your doors, I'd go in doors, side door,
Speaker 5: I'd go through the wall.
Speaker 2: Amazing.
Speaker 1: Every one of my favorite memories is at Sarah Silverman's
Speaker 1: roof party and for about a half an hour, wasn't
Speaker 1: it the three of us doing bits where we were
Speaker 1: pretending to end conversations and jump off the roof over
Speaker 1: and over where we were just kept finding spots where
Speaker 1: we're just like, oh my god, it's crazy. I have
Speaker 1: to get up at seven thirty. I'll see you guys later,
Speaker 1: and then just run towards the My.
Speaker 4: Favorite the TIGS done many times is at a party
Speaker 4: that isn't her house.
Speaker 1: Maybe talked about this before, but the bringing out the
Speaker 1: old file.
Speaker 2: Again, Yeah yeah, why not? Ninety's number five sixty two.
Speaker 2: I've done it twice.
Speaker 4: Yeah, but yeah, if you're do this at home, if
Speaker 4: you're listening or in your office, if you're ever at
Speaker 4: a party and you don't live there, just go out
Speaker 4: and announce, all right, everyone, I'm about to go to bed,
Speaker 4: so ten more minutes.
Speaker 2: That's my favorite. Tag has a lot of party jokes,
Speaker 2: and that's the best one.
Speaker 5: Hey, everyone, I just want to let you know I'm
Speaker 5: going to bed in like ten minutes.
Speaker 1: When it's nine thirty.
Speaker 4: People will start cleaning up. And then where it gets
Speaker 4: around that you don't live there, and.
Speaker 5: It's just yes, But my point is always, I don't
Speaker 5: have to live there to be going to bed in
Speaker 5: ten minutes.
Speaker 2: Now, which at least it's going to be my room.
Speaker 1: I was serious.
Speaker 4: I drive by our little house all the time, Tig,
Speaker 4: I just want to look at it.
Speaker 1: Yeah, it looks great.
Speaker 2: What neighborhood it was in Venice.
Speaker 5: Abit Kenny area, Yeah, Abit.
Speaker 4: Kenny area, when it still had an edge to it.
Speaker 4: Now it's Rodeo drive basically.
Speaker 1: Yeah. Yeah.
Speaker 4: Do you remember when I had I had like a fever.
Speaker 4: I was sick for like three weeks, and a plumber
Speaker 4: came over and for some reason this is kind of graphic,
Speaker 4: but the whole our pipe burst, and like the neighborhood
Speaker 4: we were on sitting on the neighborhood's.
Speaker 1: Sewage and choice.
Speaker 2: He was like, he said, yeah, and we loved it.
Speaker 1: I was addicted to this stuff.
Speaker 4: I'm like, I get so much good, good thinking done
Speaker 4: with this one hundred and four fever. But that was yeah,
Speaker 4: we were I was sick because of all the yeah,
Speaker 4: the just airborne bacteria that was.
Speaker 2: It was. Maybe it's good we don't live there anymore.
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, but the was the story about the plumber
Speaker 1: coming over.
Speaker 4: It was I mean, you know, I was hoping you'd
Speaker 4: add some spicy beef to that one too, which is
Speaker 4: gross to talk about when you're talking about a broken
Speaker 4: septic system.
Speaker 5: We were basically just using under the house as our toilet.
Speaker 2: Yeah, along with all our neighbors.
Speaker 5: Yeah, oh noah, should we go to commercial.
Speaker 1: Yeah, and really just take a deep breath on this
Speaker 1: whole idea.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 1: Yeah. When I was little, we had a septic system
Speaker 1: at our house because we lived way out in the country,
Speaker 1: so I guess we weren't on the city sewage line.
Speaker 1: And I have a very early memory of standing in
Speaker 1: the front yard and my dad had taken the lid
Speaker 1: off the septic tank and we were just watching shit
Speaker 1: and stuff go by because he was because it was
Speaker 1: like clogged up and stuff, and just being like, oh no,
Speaker 1: like it was a right and we had toilets that
Speaker 1: would back up all the time, becau because it was
Speaker 1: a septic tank.
Speaker 5: Well, I mean, what else are you going to do
Speaker 5: in a small town but watch poop roll by?
Speaker 1: You get out here? That much else to do. It's Saturday.
Speaker 2: Their children gather around.
Speaker 4: We're gonna watch the septic tank churk, a hair comb.
Speaker 1: Flushed a comb, My old Dolly, my new Dolly. Dive
Speaker 1: worth it, totally worth it.
Speaker 4: Yeah, septic systems. No one knows how they work, but
Speaker 4: they do.
Speaker 1: And we'll never know. Yeah, there's a couple of people
Speaker 1: who know. Yeah, they people. They work for the city.
Speaker 1: You got to get them on the phone right now.
Speaker 2: Hello, city controller.
Speaker 1: Is this a sketch show?
Speaker 2: It is?
Speaker 4: It's called it's called call people. Instead of having a
Speaker 4: punchline at the end of us, you just get on
Speaker 4: the phone.
Speaker 1: Chris, you said Tigg had characters that she did in
Speaker 1: the house when you lived there where there's some other
Speaker 1: ones that should be brought up right now.
Speaker 4: Well, Uh, there's the character that is leaning against a
Speaker 4: wall in a kind of uncomfortable position but kind of
Speaker 4: all the weight against the wall. And this is also
Speaker 4: a person that says it's time for bed.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 2: A lot of these show time was at night before bed.
Speaker 1: I love bedtime.
Speaker 4: Yeah, And the jokes, celebrate and the jokes that preceded.
Speaker 4: So she lean against the wall and it's hard to
Speaker 4: describe because it's physical comedy. Then you go all right,
Speaker 4: well see you later, and stay in that leaning against
Speaker 4: the wall position as she would just go walk all
Speaker 4: the way to where we're So if you're like leaning
Speaker 4: against a wall like a cowboy, and it's like all right,
Speaker 4: time to go to bed and then stay.
Speaker 5: Hold the position, hold the position, and then go about
Speaker 5: your life because that's just the way you stand.
Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, yeah, laying in bed like John Wayne leaning
Speaker 4: against a wall.
Speaker 2: But it's just a pillow.
Speaker 1: No, do you do you have a dance background? Is
Speaker 1: that how you could do that kind of physical comedy? Yeah?
Speaker 5: I do have a dance background. I was in ballet
Speaker 5: once when I was four, and I've just really used
Speaker 5: that for years.
Speaker 1: Yea with my comedy career.
Speaker 5: I get asked that all the time if I have
Speaker 5: a dance background background. My mother actually was a ballerina
Speaker 5: and I, uh, yeah. She signed me up for ballet
Speaker 5: when I was four. And then the class would all
Speaker 5: get together in a circle and put their hands behind
Speaker 5: their backs because the teacher would go around and put
Speaker 5: a piece of candy in their hands.
Speaker 1: Uh.
Speaker 5: And the teacher stopped doing that one day and I
Speaker 5: was like, I'm out bye. Yeah yeah, see yeah.
Speaker 4: It's it's yeat slowly preparing that child to know that
Speaker 4: they have to stay unhealthily petite in a career. Right, Okay,
Speaker 4: you know what candy was like, it's over. Now, it's over.
Speaker 4: You forget it. Now, stand on the tops of your
Speaker 4: toe knuckles.
Speaker 1: In your knuckles, yeah, your toe knuckles.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 4: I was just going to do a visual, and I
Speaker 4: realized that's bad podcasting. But a lot of these children,
Speaker 4: they make them stand on their toe knuckles.
Speaker 2: What if I just kept saying it.
Speaker 5: Well, I was going to start talking about toe foot
Speaker 5: and toe health, which drives stuff to be crazy. But
Speaker 5: I've gotten very into foot and toe health. Oh are
Speaker 5: you familiar with like the barefoot world, like barefoot movement
Speaker 5: where you see people, you know, maybe you see somebody
Speaker 5: walking around bare feet, or those like shoes that have
Speaker 5: little toe things to put your toes in.
Speaker 2: Oh, the toe shoes.
Speaker 5: Okay, everyone's yes, everyone is like this this guy with
Speaker 5: the toe shoes or this one walking on stage with
Speaker 5: those shoes on. It's it's for a reason, and let
Speaker 5: me just insert my commercial here. It's fascinating if this
Speaker 5: interests you at all. As you get older, you know
Speaker 5: how your toes get all mangled. You see people with
Speaker 5: like toes shooting off in different directions. Yeah, sure, yeah,
Speaker 5: just like ginger root. Yeah, shoes these days are may
Speaker 5: Everybody's like, I need support, I need to get shoes
Speaker 5: with good support. Well, all that support is keeping your
Speaker 5: foot still when you're in a shoe. And you should
Speaker 5: be barefoot because all of your toes and your feet
Speaker 5: should be moving when you walk, and your toes should
Speaker 5: be able to separate, and it shouldn't go away as
Speaker 5: you get older. It's because shoes are made to look nice,
Speaker 5: but they cramp your toes and your feet. So those
Speaker 5: people that are barefoot or wearing the ugly toe shoes,
Speaker 5: they're actually doing it to make themselves feel better.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 4: Not, it's because it's you. You live life to feel
Speaker 4: better and it's not a fashion show, right.
Speaker 1: It is not.
Speaker 5: I it is to a certain age. Yeah, and then
Speaker 5: you're like, oh my god, my back, oh my god,
Speaker 5: my toes, oh, oh my god.
Speaker 4: So you're saying I have to start wearing tevas or birkenstocks.
Speaker 5: I would just say, look up the barefoot movement. There's
Speaker 5: barefoot shoes aside from the little toe slots you put
Speaker 5: your toes into, look into it. It just it makes
Speaker 5: a lot of sense. I'm just you know, glad Stephanie
Speaker 5: isn't here to hear me bringing this up on the podcast.
Speaker 1: She'd get a set. She's just like enough with the foot.
Speaker 2: And so hell, I I have a thing.
Speaker 4: It's the off because there's also people that enjoy feet
Speaker 4: in a in a scandalous way. They have magazines of feet,
Speaker 4: and they pay, they pay for pictures of feet, and
Speaker 4: I'm not sure shaming that, but I'm the opposite. I
Speaker 4: really don't want to see your toes, even if you
Speaker 4: put time into them. I just let's let's just keep
Speaker 4: them covered.
Speaker 1: They're not a great When people do have really I
Speaker 1: guess nice feet or whatever. I feel like they're just
Speaker 1: so lucky because it's a hard thing. They're just you're
Speaker 1: you're already behind the eight ball in terms of what
Speaker 1: you're gonna get right. It's just not odds. Are your
Speaker 1: feet are going to be kind of gross?
Speaker 2: Yeah?
Speaker 1: I just unless you take care of them, unless you
Speaker 1: go barefoot, everywhere, well not everywhere.
Speaker 5: No, there are barefoot shoes that just give your foot
Speaker 5: a little bit more room up front where the toes are.
Speaker 5: And I don't always wear them, but I do have
Speaker 5: those now and I just have more awareness. And I'm
Speaker 5: sorry that I just lost a lot of your listeners
Speaker 5: over toe and foot health.
Speaker 1: No, I was more afraid that you were saying that
Speaker 1: you have to go bare foot foot in a city
Speaker 1: where people spit on the ground as if it's their job,
Speaker 1: or spit their gum places, or like when growing up
Speaker 1: in the country there were always long gravel roads. Oh that,
Speaker 1: like you know, you just simply that wouldn't be a choice.
Speaker 1: That would just be hell and we take you forever
Speaker 1: to get up the road.
Speaker 5: Yes, and that's why you put on a barefoot shoe.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 1: Oh, I'm mistaken thinking you're saying barefoot. If you can
Speaker 1: do a shoe that's like it.
Speaker 5: Oh, yeah, you can be barefoot, or you can wear
Speaker 5: a barefoot shoe which gives your feet room.
Speaker 4: You are talking about those shoes that are little toe gloves.
Speaker 5: Those are some. Then there are others that are not
Speaker 5: the little toe gloves. Please don't get upset, Please don't
Speaker 5: I am furious. I have never been so upset.
Speaker 2: There are.
Speaker 5: You can be completely barefoot. You can put your foot
Speaker 5: into a foot glove, or you can put on a
Speaker 5: shoe that's normal looking, that is a quote unquote bear
Speaker 5: foot shoe, and it just gives your foot a little
Speaker 5: bit more room where your toes are so they can split,
Speaker 5: spread out and do the work they're supposed to do
Speaker 5: to stay healthy.
Speaker 4: So in order to provide that kind of room in
Speaker 4: a shoe you are describing like a classic clown shoe,
Speaker 4: those the clown knows.
Speaker 1: Yeah, sorry too, Scott.
Speaker 2: That really is good.
Speaker 4: That's when it takes many A lot of people don't
Speaker 4: know about her sound effect works.
Speaker 1: Horn character, horn character, nighttime horn character.
Speaker 2: That's all that character does.
Speaker 1: That's all awful.
Speaker 2: But yeah, so now I'm imagining.
Speaker 4: I guess maybe I can get an insol that has
Speaker 4: little compartments that will separate my piggies.
Speaker 5: Piggies hate to be separated, but it's for your your
Speaker 5: best interest, especially for when you get older and you
Speaker 5: don't want to collapse and fall over because your feet
Speaker 5: are all like this.
Speaker 4: Yeah yeah, oh yeah plash or fascy ITAs. Yeah, well,
Speaker 4: somebody's got to go to the market.
Speaker 5: Well, you know, the little piggies did go to the market.
Speaker 4: Yeah, the only one. Yeah, then another one laughs all
Speaker 4: the way to the bank. I think we never know
Speaker 4: that which job is for what? I am someone that
Speaker 4: even my I'm just a tenderfoot. Uh, And I cannot
Speaker 4: Like when I go back to Montana and there's any river,
Speaker 4: hangout or anything, I gotta wear shoes. I will, even
Speaker 4: even if it's round, polished gravel and I'm barefoot, my
Speaker 4: knees knocked together and I just faint face first into
Speaker 4: the water. Meanwhile, my friends can tap dance on glass.
Speaker 4: I just don't know why my feet are.
Speaker 5: Yeah, but fainting face first into the water sounds way
Speaker 5: more Montana than tap dancing on glass. So it seems.
Speaker 2: It's just how Cowboy ends the day.
Speaker 1: Yeah, it all sounds very carnival to me. Who are
Speaker 1: these friends of yours? Who are these people?
Speaker 4: I'm it is like a circus act. All of my
Speaker 4: friends are able to walk on gravel and I am not.
Speaker 4: I react like everything is a lego, and I just
Speaker 4: it hurts so bad. I have the worst, most tender feet.
Speaker 4: I gotta do something to toughen them up.
Speaker 1: Yeah you should. How about you just take a razor
Speaker 1: right to those the bombs of your feet and just
Speaker 1: do crosshatching.
Speaker 2: Yeah, like a cutter.
Speaker 1: That's a really good idea.
Speaker 4: It really is build up the scar tissue. Something's got
Speaker 4: to do it. So you think a razor is.
Speaker 2: The way to go.
Speaker 1: I mean you could do a razor, you can do
Speaker 1: a kitchen night.
Speaker 4: Okay, well I'll get started box cutter, just real quick.
Speaker 2: Ju Yeah, just get it over with. Take you during.
Speaker 4: You have like multiple podcasts now I have two, and
Speaker 4: that's like more than one.
Speaker 1: That is I can't fermit. Yeah, tell us about them?
Speaker 2: Yeah, sure.
Speaker 5: Well I have a weekly podcast, an advice podcast, where
Speaker 5: I try to give earnest advice and then a lot
Speaker 5: of times it'll go off the rails, of course, because
Speaker 5: I realize I'm I don't know what I'm talking about.
Speaker 5: And then I also have a a podcast called Tig
Speaker 5: and Cheryl True Story where Cheryl Hines and I talk
Speaker 5: about a new documentary every week. And and yeah, those
Speaker 5: are the those are the two podcasts. Don't ask Tig
Speaker 5: is the advice one, but those both sound great.
Speaker 1: What's the best advice that you've heard yourself give? That
Speaker 1: you actually we're like, oh wait, that I led It
Speaker 1: is good, you know what.
Speaker 5: Honestly I don't know or remember, but I will say
Speaker 5: the advice that I do always give people, which is
Speaker 5: something that stuck out to me. I heard. I heard
Speaker 5: this bit of advice. It's not my own. I tweaked
Speaker 5: it because it used to be very specific about a
Speaker 5: particular person in your life. But I always say that
Speaker 5: the best gift you can give anybody is a well
Speaker 5: lived life of your own. And I feel like that
Speaker 5: is so empowering and freeing because when you think about
Speaker 5: family members and friends and if they're not taking care
Speaker 5: of themselves or they're not happy, it weighs you down,
Speaker 5: you know. But if somebody is out living their life
Speaker 5: or they're just free of whatever it is, then it
Speaker 5: frees you up. And so I always love that and
Speaker 5: I always try and think about it for myself and
Speaker 5: and so that's that's what I always mentioned.
Speaker 4: Yeah, it is, and that that can be applied to
Speaker 4: so many things, like living your life, even if it
Speaker 4: means they live their life so much they don't have
Speaker 4: time for me. It is you are looking at someone
Speaker 4: as like they're happy, and that brings me peace, or
Speaker 4: they're doing everything they can because there's so many so great, Yeah,
Speaker 4: so many people.
Speaker 2: I think of that.
Speaker 4: I love that they aren't doing well and that it's
Speaker 4: they don't they don't realize that it's affecting other people.
Speaker 5: Yeah, it's it's complex, but that's what I always say
Speaker 5: to people.
Speaker 1: I like that.
Speaker 2: That's a good one.
Speaker 1: What about on the other podcast with Cheryl Hines? What's
Speaker 1: the what's a documentary you've watched recently that you wish
Speaker 1: everyone would watch or that you just loved? You don't
Speaker 1: have a documentary podcast with Cheryl Hines?
Speaker 5: To you, I don't even know Cheryl. Such a good
Speaker 5: brag though, Yeah, No, Cheryl and I have been pals forever.
Speaker 4: A long time. I remember I was living with you,
Speaker 4: like we were both just not much going on, and
Speaker 4: you how did you become friends with her?
Speaker 2: Again?
Speaker 5: She saw me do stand up and she we've been
Speaker 5: friends ever since. She came up after just cacklin and
Speaker 5: what have you, and we just have like non stop
Speaker 5: silliness in our relationship. And so the documentary is just
Speaker 5: a jumping off point to chat and whatever. But I really,
Speaker 5: you know, I'm probably thinking of that that a fair
Speaker 5: Nose documentary right now because my wife is watching the series,
Speaker 5: and then she went back and listened to my episode
Speaker 5: of the documentary for the documentary. And then there's also
Speaker 5: the one called Chicken People that I really just.
Speaker 1: Told me to watch that.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's Chicken People.
Speaker 5: It's so silly. And then Donut King. I just watched
Speaker 5: Donut King.
Speaker 2: I heard of that.
Speaker 1: Yea, it is so.
Speaker 5: Great and it's not what you think it's gonna be.
Speaker 5: When I first heard that we were going to be
Speaker 5: watching a documentary about donuts, it's like, great, I love
Speaker 5: a donut, man, is it? It's a it's a great documentary.
Speaker 4: I haven't watched it because so many people have described
Speaker 4: it enthusiastically telling me to watch it that they just
Speaker 4: tell me about it, and I'm like, well, no, I
Speaker 4: don't need to see it.
Speaker 5: No, it's it's worth It's so good and it really
Speaker 5: surprised me. I'm also always a fan of like The Staircase.
Speaker 5: It's you know, we I mean, I never get over that.
Speaker 5: It's it's kind of like the go to.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I've watched that twice.
Speaker 5: Yeah, it's just so good. And and you know, there's
Speaker 5: another documentary that I really love and it's so weird
Speaker 5: to say that I love it because oh and obviously
Speaker 5: you're a true crime person, Karen, but we would never
Speaker 5: cover this particular one. But it's so devastating, is dear Zachary?
Speaker 1: Oh God?
Speaker 5: Like I it's you know, I always tell people when
Speaker 5: they say, why wouldn't you if you love the documentary,
Speaker 5: it's so weird to say I love the documentary. But
Speaker 5: when I say, it's just so, I truly had to
Speaker 5: stop like three times and have a serious boohoo.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 5: Actually, Chris, you and I lived together years ago when
Speaker 5: I watched that documentary, and but yeah, I just I
Speaker 5: love a twist and a turn, you know, That's what
Speaker 5: I really love. And sometimes when documentaries will be just
Speaker 5: very much just straightforward documenting something, I'm like, yeah, it.
Speaker 1: Was good, it's fine.
Speaker 5: I of going in and just being like, where is
Speaker 5: this gonna go? You know?
Speaker 1: Can I ask have you seen the documentary Tickled? Yes?
Speaker 5: Yes I have, Yes I have. And we did an
Speaker 5: episode of that as well.
Speaker 1: Oh good, okay, April Richardson and I saw that in
Speaker 1: the theater and there was only about six other people
Speaker 1: in the theater and when that movie ended, we all
Speaker 1: turned to each other strangers and went.
Speaker 2: Holy fuck.
Speaker 1: Everybody in the theater went crazy together as a group,
Speaker 1: like what did we just watch? That was insane? It
Speaker 1: was super funny. But I mean that that movie is like,
Speaker 1: it's unbelievable. It is.
Speaker 5: It is completely unbelievable and not what you think you're
Speaker 5: going in for. And that is my favorite documentary.
Speaker 2: Yeah, they watched I mean, not.
Speaker 5: Tickled, but I'm saying that type where it's just like.
Speaker 4: Whoa, whoa, especially because the guy because I went and
Speaker 4: saw it at the Silent Movie theater place and afterwards,
Speaker 4: Nathan for you, Nathan Fielder or whatever his name is,
Speaker 4: interviewed the filmmaker and he talked about how it was
Speaker 4: strictly going to be a documentary about these weird wrestling
Speaker 4: group like this HERB tickling groups like they were wrestling teams,
Speaker 4: like that's an interesting sport that the and you watched
Speaker 4: that happen in the in the documentary too. But he
Speaker 4: really talks matter of factly about how it turned into
Speaker 4: a different documentary as he was making it that yeah,
Speaker 4: and you can't plan.
Speaker 2: On that, but that is that usually is the thing.
Speaker 4: I look for in a documentary, like where they're like, well,
Speaker 4: now it's about this, Yes, our world.
Speaker 5: That's what's incredible. Yeah, when you feel I hate when
Speaker 5: I'm watching a documentary and you can feel the outline,
Speaker 5: you can feel where they put in like uh, like
Speaker 5: where you know the director is going, hey, why didn't
Speaker 5: you do this? Or hey, sit here with your friends
Speaker 5: and have a conversation and you know what, just that
Speaker 5: whole vibe. I'm like, I just let's I know you
Speaker 5: have to put in some of that sometimes to string
Speaker 5: things along, I understand, but man, when you get some
Speaker 5: of that grittier stuff in a document where you're just like,
Speaker 5: what is this is?
Speaker 2: Huh?
Speaker 1: Yeah?
Speaker 4: And during during the Q and A, the filmmaker talked
Speaker 4: about how that weird the Ticklemaster guy who no one
Speaker 4: he was pretending to be all these people he would
Speaker 4: show up at screenings. He's actually a fan oddly of
Speaker 4: the of the film, and he would ask questions really
Speaker 4: like he's like, I I don't like how you showed
Speaker 4: me in this. It's kind of like a negative light,
Speaker 4: but I do like this about Like he would compliment
Speaker 4: it even though it was about him being a villain.
Speaker 4: He's like, it is good filmmaking. I'll give you that.
Speaker 1: Like he he described it like.
Speaker 4: The guy actually said nice things, and he would show
Speaker 4: up and heckle and be insane because.
Speaker 1: He's a he was a crazy guy and he has
Speaker 1: the money to travel around to give basically to all
Speaker 1: the screenings when it first came out.
Speaker 4: He was like, I'm looking around this room right now
Speaker 4: because he very well could be here. And then that
Speaker 4: added this element of fear with everyone watching. It was
Speaker 4: such Yeah, I feel really lucky to have seen that. Also,
Speaker 4: the new Jimmy Savile uh documentary about but it's it's
Speaker 4: it's very gradual. You don't really see it coming. I
Speaker 4: mean they allude to things, but it ramps up in
Speaker 4: the end. Again, it's a tragic documentary, but it's so
Speaker 4: fun to watch.
Speaker 5: We're about to to I haven't seen it yet, but
Speaker 5: we're about to do Bad Vegan.
Speaker 1: I don't know. Oh, it's great, Okay, but it's but
Speaker 1: I will say this without giving spoilers. I found it. Uh.
Speaker 1: I like, maybe and maybe this is similar to what
Speaker 1: we're just saying, or maybe this is another type of
Speaker 1: documentary where you kind of can't figure out who you
Speaker 1: whose side you're on, or what you're supposed to think.
Speaker 1: I like that when it's not like here's the poor
Speaker 1: people who are being exploited by the Ticklemaster, and here's
Speaker 1: the tickle Master that we can't he's out.
Speaker 5: Well, I mean that's what the staircase was. It's like
Speaker 5: the way it flipped back and forth, it's so crazy
Speaker 5: making or you're just like, wait.
Speaker 1: A minute, this could be anything. Yeah, totally.
Speaker 4: But oddly with that movie, I had seen the Unsolved
Speaker 4: or the Forensic Files episode prior, so it kind of
Speaker 4: was spoiled for.
Speaker 1: Me for which one for the staircase.
Speaker 5: It was, so what is just not to go off
Speaker 5: on the staircase? But do you feel like that guy
Speaker 5: did it?
Speaker 2: Yeah, very very very very much.
Speaker 5: I do too, because well, I don't think it's Owls,
Speaker 5: because he's definitely not.
Speaker 1: But I'll so in the beginning when it was when
Speaker 1: it was like a Forensic Files or whatever, those other
Speaker 1: episodes where they would cover it the first time around,
Speaker 1: when they covered it, they presented it as he definitely
Speaker 1: did it, and this is what happened. And then there
Speaker 1: was another there was almost like the reboot reapproach where
Speaker 1: it was like he's actually been railroaded or whatever. And
Speaker 1: then it was the reveal of what happened in court,
Speaker 1: which was them saying he has had homosexual affairs with
Speaker 1: sex workers. And then people are like, he's getting railroaded
Speaker 1: because they don't like that in the North Carolina or wherever
Speaker 1: they live in the South. And then this one was
Speaker 1: almost like taking all of that ten years later and
Speaker 1: being like, all right, well, now we're going to go
Speaker 1: and basically just be in his house and you can
Speaker 1: try to see if you can see for yourself, because.
Speaker 5: You know, what I thought was so interesting that Cheryl
Speaker 5: pointed out on that episode was that I completely missed
Speaker 5: and I was like, there it is. There's the proof.
Speaker 5: There's the proof. But she said, imagine because when he
Speaker 5: called the police after she was found bloodied by owls. Yeah,
Speaker 5: but I guess that's an I guess that's an internet theory.
Speaker 5: Or no, it's in the it's in the documentary.
Speaker 1: His neighbor. His neighbor got attacked and then basically came
Speaker 1: and suggested it. And then then then it became okay, right, okay.
Speaker 5: So they have the audio of him calling the nine
Speaker 5: one one and they he told them, what, my wife
Speaker 5: fell down the stairs and come quick that type thing. Yeah,
Speaker 5: and then the obvious thing of first of all, if
Speaker 5: I found Stephanie at the foot of the stairs in
Speaker 5: a pool of blood, I wouldn't think she fell down
Speaker 5: the stairs.
Speaker 1: But Cheryl said, can you.
Speaker 5: Imagine your loved one is at the foot of the
Speaker 5: stairs in a pool of blood and hanging up the
Speaker 5: phone saying come quick, Like you would stay on the phone?
Speaker 1: What what do I do? What do I like?
Speaker 5: If you were in that real moment, you would be like,
Speaker 5: I'm not going to hang up the phone from the path.
Speaker 5: I wouldn't be like, oh my gosh, my wife fell
Speaker 5: hurry click.
Speaker 1: You would be like, what do I do? What do I?
Speaker 1: What do I apply? Pressure? Do I? What?
Speaker 2: What do I do?
Speaker 5: I don't want to see this is this is my
Speaker 5: lifeline taking to this person. And when she said that,
Speaker 5: I was like, oh my gosh.
Speaker 1: Yeah, that's great fucking point, such a great good point.
Speaker 1: Oh my gosh.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 4: Yeah, you don't hang up and then start cleaning up
Speaker 4: the place because you're a neat freak.
Speaker 1: No, I want to stay on the phone.
Speaker 5: Yeah.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 1: Can I say what my moment of that was? And
Speaker 1: it was because at the same time that that series
Speaker 1: was on Breaking Bad was on and in like I
Speaker 1: watched that series and then and there was the part
Speaker 1: and I think it was like a couple It was
Speaker 1: like maybe the second to last episode or near the end,
Speaker 1: and he was he I think it was when he
Speaker 1: was out on bail and he was awaiting that trial.
Speaker 1: And and let's just say this, that trial was fucked,
Speaker 1: Like that blood spatter expert was completely fake. He was
Speaker 1: a liar, Like there were so many things in that
Speaker 1: case that were just like, it has to get thrown out.
Speaker 1: This is just not how you can't do trials like this.
Speaker 1: But my thing was, uh, I had just seen that
Speaker 1: this episode where he was out on bail and then
Speaker 1: the documentary documentarian was asking him questions and instead of
Speaker 1: standing there talking, he was doing stuff around the kitchen,
Speaker 1: and he kept opening and closing cabinets, right, and I
Speaker 1: was just like, what the fuck's he doing? Like he
Speaker 1: just kind of keeps opening and closing these cabinets. And
Speaker 1: then like that week in the episode of Breaking Bad,
Speaker 1: and it was near the end of the season of
Speaker 1: Breaking Bad, the main guy, Walter White is like talking
Speaker 1: to his wife and he had just buried something and
Speaker 1: done a bunch of shit right, and the wife is like,
Speaker 1: where were you last night? Whatever? And he's who wants breakfast?
Speaker 1: And he starts opening and closing the cabinets, and I went,
Speaker 1: oh fuck, oh fuck, that's right. That's what people who
Speaker 1: are lying do. They pretend like busy work. Yeah, so
Speaker 1: they don't have to make eye contact, they don't have
Speaker 1: to be still, they don't have to go what the
Speaker 1: fuck am I gonna do? This is crazy, I'm being railroaded.
Speaker 1: They do this kind of like.
Speaker 5: Look over here, look over here.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 1: Well, and maybe that's fake, but it was just to me,
Speaker 1: I went, oh, my god, that's the exact same action.
Speaker 5: Yeah, there's so I mean, there's obviously so many gaping
Speaker 5: holes in that story. I also found it very odd
Speaker 5: when the the attorney gave up on his Michael's trial.
Speaker 5: And I was saying to Stephanie when we were watching
Speaker 5: it again because I've watched the series probably like three times,
Speaker 5: but I said, the way he's sitting on the couch
Speaker 5: with his kids and just saying, well, he's moving on
Speaker 5: from the trial, he's not going to rep me anymore.
Speaker 5: Should I just just say never mind? And to me
Speaker 5: that felt like if you were innocent you'd be like,
Speaker 5: you can't, you can't, We've gone this far? What do
Speaker 5: you mean, just to be like, well, he's tired of it,
Speaker 5: he's ready to move on. You know. I just felt
Speaker 5: like that was a little telling, because if I were innocent,
Speaker 5: I would be like.
Speaker 1: Yeah, please, what do we do?
Speaker 2: What do we do?
Speaker 1: If you were innocent, don't you think you'd be like, hey,
Speaker 1: can you turn that fucking camera off? Like this is
Speaker 1: the moment of my life. There's more effort, there's so
Speaker 1: it's very performative, which also doesn't mean anything really except
Speaker 1: for this is the way we all go through the
Speaker 1: world going am I getting a good vibe from this person?
Speaker 1: Or do I not like this? And things like that.
Speaker 1: I if somebody is like, it's the same thing when
Speaker 1: he came out of the courtroom and he started talking
Speaker 1: about how much he loved his wife, and because all
Speaker 1: the news cameras were around, and I was just like, yeah,
Speaker 1: I'm sorry, I do not buy this. This feels like
Speaker 1: bad theater class that I have been in it so
Speaker 1: many times.
Speaker 5: If something happened to Stephanie, I wouldn't want anything in
Speaker 5: my house or anything going on. I would just you know,
Speaker 5: there's no world where I would. I mean, I don't
Speaker 5: even like to show my kids' faces on the internet.
Speaker 5: I'd much less be, you know, parading somebody through our house.
Speaker 5: And but you know, of course I still like everyone else,
Speaker 5: probably probably everyone else, wonder why those kids of his
Speaker 5: I believe he's innocent.
Speaker 4: Yeah, because they were likable. That was what he had
Speaker 4: going for him. As I watched that documentary, is like
Speaker 4: his kids seemed It's like, why how would he have
Speaker 4: raised these normal kids if he was this monster? That's
Speaker 4: what kept me going. But yeah, at the end, he's like, well,
Speaker 4: I've run out of ideas. I guess I'll go to jail.
Speaker 2: That's such an admittance of guilt. Could be like, no, no.
Speaker 1: What now what now what? Someone do something?
Speaker 5: Yeah, because I'm free and I want to make sure
Speaker 5: I'm free and I did not do this, and so
Speaker 5: now what is next on the agenda?
Speaker 1: Although, and just to Devil's advocate, because we also we
Speaker 1: did on my favorite murder talk to that lawyer of his.
Speaker 1: I liked him. I liked him a lot. He's super smart,
Speaker 1: and we had him on. But I was like, so
Speaker 1: did we totally get it wrong? And I said, is
Speaker 1: there a ton we don't know that wasn't in the documentary.
Speaker 1: And he said, there's a ton no one knows about
Speaker 1: that trial itself, and how how it was such a
Speaker 1: like a miscarriage of justice as a trial that like
Speaker 1: that's what that's all I'm talking about, is that he
Speaker 1: did not in any way get a fair trial, and
Speaker 1: there was so much prejudice, and there was so much
Speaker 1: pre like people found like literally in all these different ways.
Speaker 1: It's like, you're a rich guy, so fuck you, you
Speaker 1: did it. You're we heard about you hiring sex workers
Speaker 1: or gay sex workers. You did it, like all these
Speaker 1: things all the way down. It's more so.
Speaker 5: The other woman in your life fell down the stairs
Speaker 5: and died, you did it.
Speaker 1: When it came to that part, I was just like,
Speaker 1: I'm sorry, Like I don't how you know, am I?
Speaker 1: It's just so middle class that we never had. Second story.
Speaker 5: Now I have in my office and I've always have
Speaker 5: in my hands when I do a podcast is a
Speaker 5: gavel and you know what guilty.
Speaker 1: Guilty guilty, that's actual.
Speaker 5: Yeah, I have a gavel always when I'm doing a
Speaker 5: podcast in my hands.
Speaker 2: You've always wanted a courtroom show?
Speaker 1: I have? Can I just tell you one more documentary
Speaker 1: to recommend in case you.
Speaker 2: Guys are listening, and then I have one, and then
Speaker 2: I have one.
Speaker 5: Oh okay, okay, what do you mean in case we're
Speaker 5: looking for him? That's what we do with our show.
Speaker 5: You're like, we're not open to suggestion. I'm sorry.
Speaker 1: My very favorite one is God damn it, no, I'm
Speaker 1: not gonna be to remember it's it's the one. It's
Speaker 1: called the Cruise about Timothy speed Levitch. He's the Gray
Speaker 1: Line bus bus tour guide in New York City. Did
Speaker 1: you ever see that one? It's black and white?
Speaker 5: It is.
Speaker 1: It's truly one of my top three documentaries ever, and
Speaker 1: it is. It's unbelievable. It just is. It's a step
Speaker 1: one man. Shut up. I also love Watership Down? Was
Speaker 1: that a documentary?
Speaker 5: We're still looking for documentaries.
Speaker 2: The best?
Speaker 4: But yes, I think of all time that it is
Speaker 4: my favorite. That is so weird and bizarre as cat dancers.
Speaker 4: Oh yes, you've seen that, Karen, I love and I
Speaker 4: did not. I mean, they allude to what happens.
Speaker 2: It's but it is. You got to see it, Tig.
Speaker 4: I don't want to spoil it for anyone, but it
Speaker 4: is hilarious and mysterious and everything that I think they
Speaker 4: were trying to make that Tiger King out to be.
Speaker 4: Like every time everyone was freaking remember Tiger King fever.
Speaker 2: Good Lord, that thing was huge.
Speaker 4: Everyone was talking about it, and I just was like,
Speaker 4: cat dancers, cat dancers, enough with the tigers.
Speaker 2: Cat Dancers is the best. And that's all I'll say.
Speaker 1: Cat Dancers is amazing.
Speaker 2: But you got to watch it, tig It's so.
Speaker 4: Even if you have to find it and pay money,
Speaker 4: good hard earned money.
Speaker 1: To see it, worth it. Also there's the Errol Morris documentary,
Speaker 1: all of the Errol Morris ones, but there's Mister Death,
Speaker 1: which is unbelievable, like unbelievable Errol Morris. Mister Death, which
Speaker 1: is about the guy. He's a guy who has basically
Speaker 1: made the electric chair or like refurbished. You have to
Speaker 1: see it, and that's he he like updated it. And
Speaker 1: then the other one which is about pet Cemeteries, that's
Speaker 1: called Gates of Heaven and it's Errol Morris. And that
Speaker 1: one it's like a late seventies character study and it's
Speaker 1: you just can't believe these people. It's the greatest. Okay,
Speaker 1: I can't.
Speaker 4: Wait and there's a temple grand in one the that
Speaker 4: came up with the the hugger, a comforting way to
Speaker 4: slaw cows, which was the reason I got one of
Speaker 4: those autism blankets, a heavy blanket. That's basically what they
Speaker 4: do is they put a heavy blanket on a cow.
Speaker 1: It's sad, but it's.
Speaker 4: Very You squeeze them and they feel warm and comfortable
Speaker 4: in the very end.
Speaker 5: And then you kill it.
Speaker 4: Well as I know you are, and you're the reason
Speaker 4: I still dabble with it.
Speaker 5: Oh good, Yeah, you should dabble, dabble away.
Speaker 4: Well, I live in an area where dabbling with veganism
Speaker 4: is just a hop, skip and a jump away.
Speaker 2: Usually I jump.
Speaker 4: But yeah, I'm I'm I'm trying, tig, I'm trying to
Speaker 4: it's taking.
Speaker 5: We're all trying. We're all trying. We're all goddamn day
Speaker 5: every day, we're all trying.
Speaker 4: To take you and hit the road and cheat on
Speaker 4: with some chicken fingers. Anymore, you are one hundred percent.
Speaker 5: I was real sold on the chicken finger menu diet
Speaker 5: for I would say the first fifteen years of my
Speaker 5: stand up career. But no, And it's funny because people
Speaker 5: always ask that of you know what about the pandemic?
Speaker 1: Did you cheat in the pandemic?
Speaker 5: And it's that idea that I'm vegan against my will,
Speaker 5: that I'm like waiting till no one's looking and I'm
Speaker 5: just going to go via a cheeseburger. And it's the
Speaker 5: you know, after I was so sick many years ago,
Speaker 5: I just shifted my diet so so much and learned
Speaker 5: so much. In fact, during the pandemic, I got a
Speaker 5: plant based nutrition certification.
Speaker 1: I know, yes, I love that.
Speaker 5: And I've helped my next door neighbor who had high
Speaker 5: blood pressure and through the pandemic we would zoom weekly
Speaker 5: and he didn't end up having to get on medication.
Speaker 5: I've helped comedians and anyway. So I'm like, I I
Speaker 5: can help you too, and I can help it truly,
Speaker 5: I mean, I am sold on it.
Speaker 1: It changed my life.
Speaker 5: And there's no moment in my life with the knowledge
Speaker 5: that I have that I'm ever thinking, well, I'll just
Speaker 5: get a cheese ball, a wheel of cheese, a wheel
Speaker 5: of cheese and some beef.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 2: I've been sold on it ever since.
Speaker 4: Your peals, your Beth and Rick, who I missed a
Speaker 4: lot but he got healthy.
Speaker 5: That way he cured his cancer with raw.
Speaker 4: Food, and I was like, I believe it and I'm sold.
Speaker 4: And then I still go out and get my wheel
Speaker 4: of cheese.
Speaker 1: I know you do, Chris roll it all the way
Speaker 1: home with a little stick. Yeah.
Speaker 5: Yeah, But I did for a while think I want
Speaker 5: to to start what I want to do. I did
Speaker 5: a streaming episode of talking about plant based food and
Speaker 5: showing people easy recipes and stuff. But I was thinking
Speaker 5: of spending a good part of my time consulting people
Speaker 5: on zoom. And then I was like, I don't know,
Speaker 5: I don't know if I can do that actually, but
Speaker 5: you know it's people are so interested and they're like
Speaker 5: they have a foot in, and I just want to
Speaker 5: be like, there is a way to do it without you.
Speaker 5: You can eat good, delicious, healthy food and be plant based.
Speaker 4: Well maybe I'll come over and you can just teach
Speaker 4: me and then I can see your children's grown up faces.
Speaker 5: Yes they are gigantic humans now, but I would love that.
Speaker 5: If you ever want information, let me know.
Speaker 2: I will.
Speaker 1: Let's all go stand in Tick's kitchen and have her
Speaker 1: I would be thrilled real well. The idea that you
Speaker 1: got certified is impressive. But it also is like, oh,
Speaker 1: she means business like this is this is a true
Speaker 1: interest and like.
Speaker 5: I hadn't had an interest like this since I started
Speaker 5: stand up. I got so into it and it's so
Speaker 5: fascinating when you find out the power and the healing
Speaker 5: power of food and and then it just becomes this
Speaker 5: puzzle of of just connecting everything to heal or to
Speaker 5: boost or help or h It's it's really fascinating and
Speaker 5: it's it's a very basic idea, but it's like if
Speaker 5: you put the wrong gasoline in your tank, the car
Speaker 5: breaks or dies, and if you put in the high octane,
Speaker 5: it'll it'll run.
Speaker 4: And that's why I'm one hundred percent interested. And I
Speaker 4: really want you to teach me.
Speaker 2: Because you look great.
Speaker 4: You're like energy. You look like a kid again. You
Speaker 4: look like you look like Tom Cruise is a kid.
Speaker 2: Again.
Speaker 5: Well, thank you card reader again, Well thank you, and
Speaker 5: you both look wonderful.
Speaker 2: I mean, I we set you up to say that.
Speaker 4: Yeah, but yeah it's been we're we're out of time.
Speaker 2: But I was so great to see you again, my
Speaker 2: friend Tiggoty.
Speaker 5: Yeah, thank you so much for doing this, tig thanks
Speaker 5: for having me. I can't stress enough how much I
Speaker 5: adore both of you, and and hope that I can
Speaker 5: see you in the flesh again. I am in my kitchen,
Speaker 5: in my kitchen, I will I loved it. I would
Speaker 5: love it after this, Please do any plugs. I I'm
Speaker 5: doing a bunch of tour days and and then you know,
Speaker 5: the road goes on forever. But I'm at tignotaro dot
Speaker 5: com and I have very unreliable social media out there
Speaker 5: as well, but tagnotaro dot com. You can check out
Speaker 5: my tour dates because I've got a bunch. But thanks
Speaker 5: for hasking me. She really knows how to do stand
Speaker 5: up comedy. Everybody I don't know. Yeah, just trust I
Speaker 5: do stand up. Yeah, she does, She really does.
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