WEBVTT - #883 Packers Unscripted: Draft desserts

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<v Speaker 1>Hey, everybody, Welcome to another edition of Packers Unscripted from

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<v Speaker 1>Packers dot Com. I am Mike Spafford, joined as always

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<v Speaker 1>by the one and only Wes Hodkotz. We're coming to

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<v Speaker 1>you here inside the halls of Lambeau Field from our

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<v Speaker 1>brand new studio and Wes lots more to talk about

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<v Speaker 1>with regard to the Packers twenty twenty six draft class.

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<v Speaker 1>The players. Those draft picks as well as undrafted rookies

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<v Speaker 1>tryout guys are going to be arriving today throughout the

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<v Speaker 1>day here in Green Bay for the two day mini

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<v Speaker 1>camp Friday and Saturday, so we'll get our first glimpse

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<v Speaker 1>of guys on the practice field, some interviews in the

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<v Speaker 1>locker room and whatnot on Friday. But for now, I

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<v Speaker 1>mentioned on our last show, I had some questions I want.

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<v Speaker 2>To know, all right, I've been thinking about this for

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<v Speaker 2>the last forty eight hours. What is my God for?

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<v Speaker 1>Start exactly like brain.

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<v Speaker 2>Busters or anything, but.

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<v Speaker 1>Just to toss some things back and forth, and some

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<v Speaker 1>of this will be I'm sure we'll be repeating some

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<v Speaker 1>of our thoughts from our last show as well, but

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<v Speaker 1>I'll just start with asking you straight out, six guys

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<v Speaker 1>who is your favorite pick in this draft for the

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<v Speaker 1>Green Bay Packers.

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<v Speaker 2>Oh see, this is where I want to do the

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<v Speaker 2>thing where I'm like, well, this, that and the other thing. Okay,

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<v Speaker 2>all right, so let's do this because I'll leave some

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<v Speaker 2>meat on the bone there for you. With the Day

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<v Speaker 2>two guys, my favorite pick is probably Deny Dennis Sutton.

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<v Speaker 2>The main reason for that is that is the perfect example,

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<v Speaker 2>in my opinion, of value meeting need meeting a really

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<v Speaker 2>intriguing football player. This guy was funny. There was a

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<v Speaker 2>lot of comparables. I don't know how much. I don't

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<v Speaker 2>think you're as active on the social media as I am.

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<v Speaker 2>That's probably a very good thing, but.

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<v Speaker 1>There was also an understatement.

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<v Speaker 2>But there was a lot of charts that people have

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<v Speaker 2>been bringing out here the last few days about how

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<v Speaker 2>him Dennis Sutton matches up in terms of the RAZ scores,

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<v Speaker 2>some of the various categories to some of these draft

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<v Speaker 2>picks that we've seen, top draft picks we've seen over

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<v Speaker 2>the last five ten years. There was one that I

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<v Speaker 2>wish I could source the right person who had put

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<v Speaker 2>this out there on x but his measurables almost line

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<v Speaker 2>up the same way with Leonard Floyd, like they're almost

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<v Speaker 2>to a tee the way. I think there was a

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<v Speaker 2>little bit of divergence maybe in the weight, but otherwise,

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<v Speaker 2>like they kind of line up everything forties, bench press,

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<v Speaker 2>all those type of measurables. Packers got themselves a really

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<v Speaker 2>good athletic edge rusher who, as we talked about after

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<v Speaker 2>the draft, I think is going to give them something

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<v Speaker 2>on special teams too. We talk about the three blocked kicks,

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<v Speaker 2>but the fact that this guy was a core player

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<v Speaker 2>in those units too. I mean, I think when you

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<v Speaker 2>lose a guy like jj A Ningbari, who could not

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<v Speaker 2>only be a really good hand against the run and

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<v Speaker 2>give you something in the pass rotation, pass rush rotation,

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<v Speaker 2>but he was a core special teams guy for all

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<v Speaker 2>four years that he was here. Now you're using that

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<v Speaker 2>and you would hope for the Packer's sake that Lucas

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<v Speaker 2>Vaness is going to graduate off of the punt coverage unit.

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<v Speaker 2>You're hoping that he's going to be able to focus

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<v Speaker 2>solely on defense now as he takes a step up

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<v Speaker 2>the depth chart. So they're going to need guys like

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<v Speaker 2>Dennis Sutton to come in. Meanwhile, when you look at

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<v Speaker 2>some of the areas of improvement for him. Like Lance

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<v Speaker 2>Zerline had pointed out others, it's about developing his array

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<v Speaker 2>of pass rushing tools. And I think he's going to

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<v Speaker 2>have the time in the patients and the development process

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<v Speaker 2>here in Green Bay to do that. When you have

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<v Speaker 2>a Baron Surrell there, Colin Oliver, Brenton Cox Junior, the

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<v Speaker 2>Packers have a number of guys that are going to

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<v Speaker 2>be able to handle the pass rushing stuff really on,

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<v Speaker 2>while Dennis Sutton takes all those tools that he has

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<v Speaker 2>and starts to harness them.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, And for me in this one, I was going

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<v Speaker 1>back and forth between whether which of the two defensive

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<v Speaker 1>linemen was my favorite pick in this draft, and I

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<v Speaker 1>was leaning toward Dennis Sutton. I saw some of those

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<v Speaker 1>same comparables that you were talking about, and another one

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<v Speaker 1>is with Daniel Hunter. Yeah, a lot of Ye, there

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<v Speaker 1>are a lot of things just athletically and when you're

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<v Speaker 1>talking about the measurables, and obviously Dennis Sutton hasn't played

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<v Speaker 1>it down in the NFL yet, but just you know,

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<v Speaker 1>looking at those measurables in those statistics, there's some intriguing

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<v Speaker 1>comparables there, and just the fact that you could find

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<v Speaker 1>at the one hundred and twentieth pick in the draft,

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<v Speaker 1>you could find a pass rusher with twenty five tackles

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<v Speaker 1>for loss in seventeen sacks in the Big Ten Conference

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<v Speaker 1>over the past two seasons. That says a lot. I

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<v Speaker 1>think there's I think there's the potential for the Packers

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<v Speaker 1>to have gotten some really good value there at a

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<v Speaker 1>position where as we've been talking about, opportunity is knocking

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<v Speaker 1>based on the current state of the roster.

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<v Speaker 2>And I thought you made the best kind of analogy

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<v Speaker 2>and sort of analysis of all when we were doing

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<v Speaker 2>the Three Things video after the draft where you mentioned

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<v Speaker 2>I mean, there was some questions about, Okay, well there's

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<v Speaker 2>no Abdual Hodge anymore, there's no you know, you look

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<v Speaker 2>at these pass rushers how that have moved on from

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<v Speaker 2>Penn State, and Dennis Sutton just kept producing. Yeah, regardless

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<v Speaker 2>of what the circumstances were. It wasn't just all about Okay,

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<v Speaker 2>somebody was getting so much attention that it freed him

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<v Speaker 2>up for some one on ones. To some extent, maybe

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<v Speaker 2>that's true, but when those type of pass rushers were

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<v Speaker 2>no longer there, he kept producing. Yeah.

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<v Speaker 1>And then you throw in the fact that the guy

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<v Speaker 1>blocked three punts last year. He led the nation, led

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<v Speaker 1>the entire FBS in college football in block punts, and

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<v Speaker 1>you know, you wonder, you know, maybe is that is

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<v Speaker 1>that something the Packers can tap into as well? But

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<v Speaker 1>as I said, I was going back and forth, and

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<v Speaker 1>so I will focus on the third round draft pick,

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<v Speaker 1>Chris mccollin, the defensive tackle out of Missouri. And when

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<v Speaker 1>you're talking about the you know, the athleticism and the

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<v Speaker 1>measurables and all that, this is a guy that doesn't

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<v Speaker 1>have that right right. This is a guy where the

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<v Speaker 1>RAZ score isn't up there with where some of the

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<v Speaker 1>other Packers draft picks are, et cetera. But I'll go

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<v Speaker 1>back to what I said on the last show, and

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<v Speaker 1>this partly goes to the research I was doing on

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<v Speaker 1>interior defensive linemen for the Prospect Primer series leading up

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<v Speaker 1>to the draft, where I was looking looking at, you know,

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<v Speaker 1>the day too, the round two, round three guys who

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<v Speaker 1>were projected to go in that area, not talking about

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<v Speaker 1>the round one defensive tackles, but you know who might

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<v Speaker 1>be available there for the Packers, and most of those

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<v Speaker 1>guys when you're doing the research and you're looking them up.

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<v Speaker 1>They're guys that you know, it's like they had one

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<v Speaker 1>sack here or one and a half sacks there. And

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<v Speaker 1>McClellan is a guy who you know has the size

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<v Speaker 1>and the strength and all that is there to stop

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<v Speaker 1>the run. But he also had six sacks last year,

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<v Speaker 1>and that is that's really really impressive for an interior

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<v Speaker 1>defensive linement. And again in a conference like the SEC.

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<v Speaker 1>You know, so I don't know how much McClellan is

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<v Speaker 1>going to play as a rookie. I mean, if the

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<v Speaker 1>Packers get DeVante Wyatt back full strength from that awful

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<v Speaker 1>leg injury and in Detroit last Thanksgiving, and you've brought

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<v Speaker 1>in Javon Hargrave, you still have Carl Brooks, who's now

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<v Speaker 1>going to be a fourth year veteran, you know, on

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<v Speaker 1>this team. They don't need to ask Chris McClellan to

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<v Speaker 1>go in there and get six sacs as a rookie.

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<v Speaker 1>That's not the point. But where he could be down

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<v Speaker 1>the road with what he's bringing to the table right now,

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<v Speaker 1>I'm really really intrigued by that and the fact that

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<v Speaker 1>Brian Goutukunz was very upfront with us saying that McClellan

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<v Speaker 1>was a consideration in the second round at pick number

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<v Speaker 1>fifty two when they took Brandon Seesay, and he was

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<v Speaker 1>still there in the third round, but he wasn't one

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<v Speaker 1>hundred percent convinced he was going to get all the

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<v Speaker 1>way to eighty four, so he made the move, traded

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<v Speaker 1>up seven spots to seventy seven, made sure he got him,

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<v Speaker 1>and then as you pointed out, between seventy seven and

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<v Speaker 1>eighty four, there were two other defensive tackles that won

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<v Speaker 1>off the board. So yes, very likely Chris McClellan may

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<v Speaker 1>not have been there. And I think things really fell

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<v Speaker 1>into place nicely for the Packers with Gutakunz making the

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<v Speaker 1>aggressive move.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, and so many times we talked Mike about, Okay,

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<v Speaker 2>what can a guy give you right away as a

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<v Speaker 2>year one contributor, And I think the focus is so

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<v Speaker 2>heavily on well, what does it mean for week one

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<v Speaker 2>or week two? But keep in mind when you look

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<v Speaker 2>at Kenny Clark, when you look at DeVante, why when

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<v Speaker 2>you go back and look at the Mike Daniels, their

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<v Speaker 2>production it was there, but it was all during that

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<v Speaker 2>final stretch of the regular season, during their rookie campaigns,

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<v Speaker 2>and in Kenny's case, it ended up taking him over

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<v Speaker 2>a year to get that first NFL sack. It's about

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<v Speaker 2>the progression, it's about getting them in the system. And

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<v Speaker 2>you're right when you look at the defensive front this year,

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<v Speaker 2>this first year under Jonathan Gannon, with this transition that

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<v Speaker 2>they're going to make with this defensive front, it's going

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<v Speaker 2>to be on Devonte Wyatt and Javon Hargrave to be

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<v Speaker 2>the guys that are sort of carrying the torch there

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<v Speaker 2>with the Carl Brooks who now enters that fourth year.

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<v Speaker 2>As you pointed out, these are guys now that have

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<v Speaker 2>a lot of reps, a lot of snaps underneath their belt.

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<v Speaker 2>So it's an intriguing thing. There's a lot of question

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<v Speaker 2>marks there as far as okay, who's going to be

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<v Speaker 2>the guy right? How is the four or five man

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<v Speaker 2>rotation going to shake out? But behind those first three

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<v Speaker 2>guys in that spot is a world of opportunity, whether

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<v Speaker 2>it's McClellan, whether it is you know, an Azier Stackhouse

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<v Speaker 2>or Warren Brinson coming back, Jonathan Ford, who gives you

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<v Speaker 2>a different type of body type at that position. That's

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<v Speaker 2>where green May needs to get to and I feel

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<v Speaker 2>like to get there, you have to keep guys coming

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<v Speaker 2>up in the system. And Green Bay made a big

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<v Speaker 2>decision this offseason when they traded Colby Wooden was one

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<v Speaker 2>part of it, but then also trying to figure out

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<v Speaker 2>exactly what this next step forward is going to be

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<v Speaker 2>at the defensive tackle position. McClellan is built for that

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<v Speaker 2>for the future. And then also keep in mind too,

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<v Speaker 2>when you look at RAZ scores and things like that,

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<v Speaker 2>some of the best defensive interior defensive linemen the Packers

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<v Speaker 2>have had haven't had the best RAZ scores in the world. Yes,

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<v Speaker 2>McClellan runs a really good forty, but it's tough to

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<v Speaker 2>find guys that are going to just blow you away

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<v Speaker 2>on all these different metrics. TJ. Slayton was not one

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<v Speaker 2>of those guys, right, because he's a thirty three hundred

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<v Speaker 2>and forty pounds man. So, I mean, it's just it's

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<v Speaker 2>the way that this thing, this thing goes sometimes, so

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<v Speaker 2>you can't compare them always to edge rushers and that

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<v Speaker 2>sort of thing.

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<v Speaker 1>But even though TJ. Slayton didn't he do that whole

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<v Speaker 1>jump out of the swimming.

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<v Speaker 2>Pool, Yeah he could do this, yeah, yeah, yeah, a

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<v Speaker 2>lot of power in those legs, that's for sure. But yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>it's yeah, it's gonna be It's gonna be fun to

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<v Speaker 2>watch to see how all these guys take for them.

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<v Speaker 1>All Right, question number two, your surprise pick of.

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<v Speaker 2>This jury's tray smack. It has to be just because

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<v Speaker 2>the context in which it happened as well, right, and

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<v Speaker 2>it's this is I'm not comparing apples to apples here,

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<v Speaker 2>but it almost kind of felt like that Jordan Love

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<v Speaker 2>where they traded up to get Love back in twenty

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<v Speaker 2>twenty when they had Aaron Rodgers. You brought back both

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<v Speaker 2>of your kickers for last year, not only Brandon McManus,

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<v Speaker 2>but Lucas Haversick is also still on this roster, and

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<v Speaker 2>then you trade up into the sixth round to get

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<v Speaker 2>the guy the Packers undeniably felt was the best player,

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<v Speaker 2>the best kicker in this draft. The one thing I

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<v Speaker 2>was I toyed around with using this, and then I

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<v Speaker 2>figured that people an insider inbox would take this the

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<v Speaker 2>wrong way, so I ended up not writing it in

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<v Speaker 2>today's edition. But I kind of explored the idea of

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<v Speaker 2>when you look at the seventh round, yes, you can

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<v Speaker 2>always find contributors and sometimes yes, once in a generation

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<v Speaker 2>you find Donald Driver too. Yeah, but whether it was

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<v Speaker 2>Rashid Walker as a three year starting left tackle or

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<v Speaker 2>a guy like Carrington Allentine who's been in the conversation

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<v Speaker 2>every year he's been in Green Bay. You can always

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<v Speaker 2>find contributors, but it is very difficult to find pro

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<v Speaker 2>bowlers in all pros in the seventh round. Zire Franklin,

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<v Speaker 2>who just got traded to Green Bay is one of

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<v Speaker 2>the very few in the last ten years that has

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<v Speaker 2>done it. Obviously brock Perty is mister Irrelevant, but most

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<v Speaker 2>often you're finding guys that are either going to start

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<v Speaker 2>on the practice squad and maybe develop into something, or

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<v Speaker 2>someone's going to be a special teams contributor. So to

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<v Speaker 2>take those two seventh round picks and find a way

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<v Speaker 2>to get the best kicker in the draft, I actually

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<v Speaker 2>feel like is a really good, proven investment on Green

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<v Speaker 2>Bay's case. And also keep in mind, one last time

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<v Speaker 2>I'll say this, the roster fluidity is so different now

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<v Speaker 2>than it once was. I don't think we're ever going

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<v Speaker 2>to see an arrow where teams are carrying two kickers

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<v Speaker 2>going into a season. I doubt it, but it's not

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<v Speaker 2>as gridlocked as it once was with the fifty three

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<v Speaker 2>man roster, with the forty five man roster, with a

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<v Speaker 2>ten player practice squad, all those numbers have boomed in

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<v Speaker 2>the last well really since COVID, so there's a lot

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<v Speaker 2>more flexibility there. So for Brian to make that investment,

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<v Speaker 2>which I think was a very low risk, high reward

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<v Speaker 2>proposition for Green Bay, I agree. I just feel like

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<v Speaker 2>this is the type of move you make not only

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<v Speaker 2>for this season, but if Trace Mack ends up being

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<v Speaker 2>your kicker for the next thirteen years, fifteen years, like

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<v Speaker 2>Mason Crosby was. Yeah, I think everybody would agree. Two

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<v Speaker 2>seventh pick, seventh round picks and a draft that wasn't

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<v Speaker 2>considered overly deep, that wasn't a bad move.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, I agree, And that is the obvious selection. As

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<v Speaker 1>far as a surprise pick, the other one that I'll

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<v Speaker 1>throw in there to me that was a surprise was

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<v Speaker 1>in the fifth round Jagger Burton, and I wasn't surprised

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<v Speaker 1>that the Packers took an offensive lineman there. When their

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<v Speaker 1>first three picks were cornerback dtackle and then edge rusher,

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<v Speaker 1>it was like, Okay, I was expecting that next pick

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<v Speaker 1>to probably be an offensive lineman. There was a pretty

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<v Speaker 1>good chance it was going to be. What surprised me

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<v Speaker 1>is that they drafted an offensive lineman who did not

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<v Speaker 1>play tackle at all in college. I thought they were

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<v Speaker 1>going to go for the for the potential backup offensive tackle.

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<v Speaker 1>I was sort of like, okay, here the next Zach

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<v Speaker 1>Tom or David Bakhtiari or even t J. Lang who

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<v Speaker 1>started his career as a as a backup offensive tackle

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<v Speaker 1>before he moved inside the guard. They drafted Burton out

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<v Speaker 1>of Kentucky, who has been strictly an interior player, and

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<v Speaker 1>it just as we talked about on the last show,

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<v Speaker 1>it made me start to rethink, you know, okay, how

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<v Speaker 1>does Brian gudokunsk view the depth on the offensive line

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<v Speaker 1>right now? And it makes you remember, oh yeah, a

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<v Speaker 1>couple of years ago, they spent a sixth round draft

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<v Speaker 1>pick on an offensive tackle named Travis Glover who, yes,

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<v Speaker 1>they were working him at guard and he had to

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<v Speaker 1>go in and play guard in a playoff game as

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<v Speaker 1>a rookie, but then his second season was a total

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<v Speaker 1>washout due to injury. That's a big man who can

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<v Speaker 1>play offensive tackle that they feel, okay, he comes back healthy,

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<v Speaker 1>he can be a guy in the mix, you know,

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<v Speaker 1>as far as the depth. And then you have a

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<v Speaker 1>veteran like Darien Kinnard, whom Brian Gudokun spent a draft

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<v Speaker 1>pick to acquire in a trade from Philadelphia. So it's

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<v Speaker 1>like you see the decisions that are made in the

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<v Speaker 1>draft and then you and then it makes you. It

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<v Speaker 1>makes you sort of look at the roster again and go, oh, yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>this is what they see or this is what they're thinking.

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<v Speaker 1>And so that's why Burton was was a bit of

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<v Speaker 1>a surprise, and it made me made my wheels start

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<v Speaker 1>to turn a little bit.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, because when you get a guy like that, even

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<v Speaker 2>if you remember when they drafted Josh Myers, there was

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<v Speaker 2>actually some questions about, hey, could he potentially play a

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<v Speaker 2>tackle position. He did that a little bit at Ohio State.

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<v Speaker 2>You're now getting a guy who truly is a three

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<v Speaker 2>interior offensive lineman who probably should major in center based

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<v Speaker 2>on how his last year win at Kentucky. So I

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<v Speaker 2>think that's a good pick. The other thing I'll throw

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<v Speaker 2>down as an honorable mention, it's not anybody that the

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<v Speaker 2>Packers pick, but it's the fact that they did not

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<v Speaker 2>pick a tight end or a quarterback or a running back, yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>or a receiver. If we would have went into this

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<v Speaker 2>draft even if they said, even if they told us

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<v Speaker 2>on Thursday morning, the Packers are going to only end

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<v Speaker 2>up with four picks. If you'd have told me that

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<v Speaker 2>one offensive, I'm sorry.

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<v Speaker 1>Six picks, six picks four on Sat.

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<v Speaker 2>Four. Yeah, only one of those players was going to

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<v Speaker 2>be an offensive player, and it was gonna be alignment.

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<v Speaker 2>I would not have I would have probably scoffed at that.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah.

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<v Speaker 2>I would have thought, based on what I said on

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<v Speaker 2>our preview edition of the Draft unscripted talking about the draft,

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<v Speaker 2>I would have thought a tight end for sure was

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<v Speaker 2>in the cards. If not a tight end, okay, maybe

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<v Speaker 2>there was a quarterback that they end up taking. If

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<v Speaker 2>not a quarterback, well then maybe they do add another

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<v Speaker 2>running back to the room. And then if nothing else,

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<v Speaker 2>we'll see what happens at receiver. Now, the way that

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<v Speaker 2>wide outs went off the board all three days, yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>like it was an ascended Heroes Pokemon etb on a

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<v Speaker 2>books a store shelf. Those things just flew right off, right.

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<v Speaker 2>So I was stunned. Not necessarily the Packers didn't end

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<v Speaker 2>up taking a receiver, but how quickly all those receivers

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<v Speaker 2>came off the board. That being said, there was still

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<v Speaker 2>a lot of good value on Day three at tight end.

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<v Speaker 2>Brian Goodikins even mentioned it in his post draft press

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<v Speaker 2>conference that they're still kind of looking for that why

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<v Speaker 2>body that blocking in line tight end that they lost

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<v Speaker 2>with John Fitzpatrick going down with the Hill's injury. They

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<v Speaker 2>have some big bodies on the roster. They also have

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<v Speaker 2>the opportunity potentially look at a tackle as a sixth

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<v Speaker 2>offensive lineman again, but.

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<v Speaker 1>As a role Canard was playing a late last season.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, but you and I we've covered this team. You know,

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<v Speaker 2>you've covered forever, you know, a couple of years after

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<v Speaker 2>you we've seen what Matt Lafleur in particular wants to do.

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<v Speaker 2>He wants to have that Mercedes Lewis type tight end

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<v Speaker 2>in there where it opens up your two tight end packages,

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<v Speaker 2>allows you to funnel in different types of personnel. So

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<v Speaker 2>if there was ever a position that I could definitely

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<v Speaker 2>see Green Bay signing this offseason on a veteran front

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<v Speaker 2>is probably is at that white tight end.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah all right, Well, a couple more questions I want

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<v Speaker 1>All right, Wes, another question I'm going to throw at you,

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<v Speaker 1>which draft pick do you see making the biggest impact

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<v Speaker 1>on this team as a rookie.

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<v Speaker 2>I'm going to probably say ce say in the second round.

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<v Speaker 2>There only because we saw what happened last year. I

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<v Speaker 2>think it's very conceivable, very probable even that the Packers

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<v Speaker 2>will go into the season with those top four veterans

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<v Speaker 2>as the guys, right, whether it be you know, Carrington

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<v Speaker 2>Valentine or Benjamin Saint Juice lining up across from Keyshawn Nixon.

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<v Speaker 2>Obviously you know Javon Bullard at the nickel right. But

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<v Speaker 2>we've seen time and time again Michael In last year

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<v Speaker 2>was probably the perfect embodiment of it. How quickly that

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<v Speaker 2>depth can get depleted, how quickly an injury here or

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<v Speaker 2>there can change the entire complexion of a secondary Cisa

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<v Speaker 2>is a very young player. He's twenty years old. But

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<v Speaker 2>the more I've watched his film over the past week,

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<v Speaker 2>the more you understand why Green Bay was so high

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<v Speaker 2>on him, because I think he just brings a physicality

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<v Speaker 2>that position that you look for. He does remind me

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<v Speaker 2>in a lot of ways of that Keishawn Nixon type,

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<v Speaker 2>who is he not afraid to throw his shoulder into

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<v Speaker 2>a ball carrier, He is not afraid to go up

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<v Speaker 2>and get physical. And then when you throw in the

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<v Speaker 2>fact that he's as young as he is, this is

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<v Speaker 2>a guy that I think very easily could slide into

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<v Speaker 2>a rotational role right out of the gate based on

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<v Speaker 2>what his physical traits are as he allows his experience

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<v Speaker 2>to catch up with him. So it's not totally out

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<v Speaker 2>of the realm of the possibilities that both him and

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<v Speaker 2>Demani Jackson could watch most of this season from afar.

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<v Speaker 2>I think the Packers have the depth and the returning

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<v Speaker 2>depth at those positions in the secondary to do it.

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<v Speaker 2>But when you are counting on a base defense practically

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<v Speaker 2>these days that incorporates five defensive backs, when you sometimes

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<v Speaker 2>have to go as deep as six, it just stands

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<v Speaker 2>to reason there's going to be times where you're gonna

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<v Speaker 2>have to count on a young guy to step in

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<v Speaker 2>and the way that this thing lays out with Green

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<v Speaker 2>Bay and what they lost this offseason, CC is right

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<v Speaker 2>there as the next man up. Yeah.

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<v Speaker 1>And for me with this one as far as biggest

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<v Speaker 1>impact as a rookie, I've been going back and forth

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<v Speaker 1>between first and last pick. Yeah, right, ce say, I

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<v Speaker 1>think is is a clear choice there, because this is

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<v Speaker 1>a I mean, when you're talking about a guy who's

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<v Speaker 1>twenty years old, gonna turn twenty one, I believe at

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<v Speaker 1>the end of training camp and with with everything that

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<v Speaker 1>we know about him so far, this is a guy

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<v Speaker 1>that you could see that by week nine, week ten,

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<v Speaker 1>week eleven is going to start to work his way

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<v Speaker 1>into the if he doesn't just flat out win a

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<v Speaker 1>job coming out of training camp, which I'm not ruling out,

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<v Speaker 1>but that would that would be kind of rare, I

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<v Speaker 1>think in this instance. But it's a guy that you know,

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<v Speaker 1>come November, come Thanksgiving, you could see a young player

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<v Speaker 1>like this starting to earn more and more snaps and

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<v Speaker 1>get a bigger role in whatever rotation Jonathan Gannon is

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<v Speaker 1>going to be using with those defensive backs, and so

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<v Speaker 1>that's where I think we could be looking at a

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<v Speaker 1>significant rookie impact maybe down the stretch here from CSA.

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<v Speaker 1>But as I said, the other one I've been thinking

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<v Speaker 1>about is the last pick Tray Smack, because if he

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<v Speaker 1>wins this job, if he wins this job, his impact

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<v Speaker 1>will be undeniable. And and it's just it's going to

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<v Speaker 1>be such a it's going to be such a fascinating

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<v Speaker 1>story to watch, and so different from when the Packers

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<v Speaker 1>made the draft investment in Anders Carlson a couple of

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<v Speaker 1>years ago, because they had already decided to move on

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<v Speaker 1>from Mason crossby right, and so there was going to

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<v Speaker 1>be a new kicker, and they made, you know, the

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<v Speaker 1>investment in the draft pick, and okay, here we go,

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<v Speaker 1>and he started out great and then things started to

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<v Speaker 1>get sideways and he never quite got back on track.

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<v Speaker 1>This is this is going to be a full fledged

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<v Speaker 1>competition between an accomplished veteran who has been there, done

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<v Speaker 1>that in this league and a young guy who, as

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<v Speaker 1>you've said, clearly was the best kicker in this draft,

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<v Speaker 1>has the leg to make field goals from any distance

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<v Speaker 1>that they would ask him to. And is he going

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<v Speaker 1>to have what it takes to beat out a veteran

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<v Speaker 1>like Brandon mcmanuson Oh yeah, By the way. The other guy,

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<v Speaker 1>Lucas Haversick in the mix, kicked a sixty one yarder

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<v Speaker 1>last year for the Packers as well, So he's no

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<v Speaker 1>slouch in this hole, in this whole idea either. But

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<v Speaker 1>the potential, the potential for major rookie impact from Trey

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<v Speaker 1>Smack is undeniable if he wins the job.

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<v Speaker 2>And it's funny that those are the two guys we

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<v Speaker 2>end up talking about in this segment. It's two positions

0:21:27.600 --> 0:21:30.960
<v Speaker 2>that historically Green Bay you've seen rookies play at. You know,

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<v Speaker 2>whether it was Anders or you want to go back

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<v Speaker 2>to two thousand and seven with Mason Crosby after he

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<v Speaker 2>beat out Dave Rayner, he was the guy right out

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<v Speaker 2>of the gate. Meanwhile at Cisay at cornerback, and you

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<v Speaker 2>even when if you want to expand it to just

0:21:41.840 --> 0:21:45.719
<v Speaker 2>the secondary and defensive backs in general, jyr Alexander came in,

0:21:45.760 --> 0:21:49.000
<v Speaker 2>made himself undeniable. Casey Hayward came in twenty twelve as

0:21:49.000 --> 0:21:52.000
<v Speaker 2>a second round pick, made himself undeniable. Javon Bullard we've

0:21:52.040 --> 0:21:54.080
<v Speaker 2>seen it. We saw Evan Williams out of the fourth

0:21:54.160 --> 0:21:57.160
<v Speaker 2>round two years ago. There's just something about that position

0:21:57.240 --> 0:21:59.360
<v Speaker 2>and maybe it's a credit to the players, the scouts,

0:21:59.359 --> 0:22:01.440
<v Speaker 2>maybe even the coach that have been able to develop them.

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<v Speaker 2>But Green Bay had many times has had to call

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<v Speaker 2>upon those young dbs to make plays and they have.

0:22:06.600 --> 0:22:09.919
<v Speaker 2>And then conversely at the kicker position, especially if you

0:22:09.960 --> 0:22:14.119
<v Speaker 2>only keep one, that's your gig, young man, right, go

0:22:14.200 --> 0:22:18.240
<v Speaker 2>on and be successful. But yeah, I think the one

0:22:18.320 --> 0:22:21.120
<v Speaker 2>salient point too that was raised. I was thinking about

0:22:21.119 --> 0:22:25.359
<v Speaker 2>this after they drafted Smack was Brian at the end

0:22:25.400 --> 0:22:27.280
<v Speaker 2>of the season. I think it was his first presser

0:22:28.000 --> 0:22:31.720
<v Speaker 2>kind of reviewing the season, everyone getting the extensions, and

0:22:31.760 --> 0:22:33.320
<v Speaker 2>he was talking to us up in the Legends club

0:22:33.320 --> 0:22:35.680
<v Speaker 2>at the Lambellfield ah Trium, and he mentioned the patience

0:22:36.320 --> 0:22:38.840
<v Speaker 2>that is sometimes required of an NFL GM and how

0:22:38.880 --> 0:22:41.919
<v Speaker 2>at times he probably hasn't been patient enough, using JK

0:22:42.000 --> 0:22:45.160
<v Speaker 2>Scott and as an example. I still always give Brian

0:22:45.200 --> 0:22:47.000
<v Speaker 2>a little bit of grace in that. I think JK

0:22:47.160 --> 0:22:48.680
<v Speaker 2>is as good as he's become in the league. I

0:22:48.680 --> 0:22:50.240
<v Speaker 2>think it's helped him that he's been out in LA

0:22:50.840 --> 0:22:52.960
<v Speaker 2>as opposed to him punting in Green Bay. It seemed

0:22:52.960 --> 0:22:54.480
<v Speaker 2>like that wasn't an ideal fit.

0:22:54.480 --> 0:22:57.960
<v Speaker 1>We saw with And again to your point, we saw

0:22:58.040 --> 0:23:01.560
<v Speaker 1>with JK. Scott early in the season he was clearly

0:23:01.600 --> 0:23:03.840
<v Speaker 1>an NFL punter who could succeed in this league. When

0:23:03.840 --> 0:23:05.480
<v Speaker 1>it got late in the year and he has to

0:23:05.560 --> 0:23:08.080
<v Speaker 1>kick in Green Bay, has to kick in Chicago, the

0:23:08.560 --> 0:23:10.520
<v Speaker 1>cold weather, it didn't work for him.

0:23:10.600 --> 0:23:10.760
<v Speaker 2>Yep.

0:23:10.840 --> 0:23:12.960
<v Speaker 1>You know that's where we always saw the fall off

0:23:13.000 --> 0:23:15.280
<v Speaker 1>at the end of the season. So I give Brian

0:23:15.320 --> 0:23:16.920
<v Speaker 1>Gudukun some grace there as well.

0:23:17.040 --> 0:23:19.359
<v Speaker 2>But you know what's interesting about this kid in Trey Smack.

0:23:19.480 --> 0:23:22.320
<v Speaker 2>He's from Maryland. He even mentioned during his press conference

0:23:22.359 --> 0:23:24.920
<v Speaker 2>with US. Yes, he kicked at Florida one hundred thousand,

0:23:25.000 --> 0:23:28.160
<v Speaker 2>you know, seed stadiums in the SEC, mostly hot weather.

0:23:28.560 --> 0:23:31.800
<v Speaker 2>But he's from Maryland. He remembers being a kid going

0:23:31.800 --> 0:23:34.480
<v Speaker 2>out and kicking in the snow, and you know Christmas

0:23:34.520 --> 0:23:36.840
<v Speaker 2>Eve you mentioned eight years ago, being outside kicking the

0:23:36.840 --> 0:23:39.640
<v Speaker 2>ball around. He's familiar with those conditions. It's gonna get

0:23:39.680 --> 0:23:42.120
<v Speaker 2>tested a little bit by how extreme sometimes it can

0:23:42.119 --> 0:23:45.040
<v Speaker 2>get in Green Bay. Definitely, But all that being said,

0:23:45.280 --> 0:23:47.239
<v Speaker 2>I just I watched the videos of him and his

0:23:47.320 --> 0:23:51.439
<v Speaker 2>leg talent. It is evident, man, And I know, if

0:23:51.480 --> 0:23:53.119
<v Speaker 2>you're gonna kick in the NFL, you gotta have a

0:23:53.160 --> 0:23:56.000
<v Speaker 2>decent leg. Brandon McManus has a good one too, But

0:23:57.280 --> 0:24:00.280
<v Speaker 2>the way that the ball explodes off Smack's foot. When

0:24:00.359 --> 0:24:03.520
<v Speaker 2>you talk about why the Packers made this move and

0:24:03.520 --> 0:24:05.680
<v Speaker 2>what they're hoping to get out of it, I mean,

0:24:06.359 --> 0:24:08.240
<v Speaker 2>it's everything you look for. Now. It comes down to

0:24:08.359 --> 0:24:11.200
<v Speaker 2>the number one thing, as Brian goodikins, the scout has

0:24:11.200 --> 0:24:13.879
<v Speaker 2>to look for, and that's it going through the upgrade.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, exactly, no doubt. Well, there's one other thing that

0:24:17.119 --> 0:24:20.159
<v Speaker 1>we need to talk about from draft weekend that was

0:24:20.200 --> 0:24:22.720
<v Speaker 1>not necessarily draft related, but we haven't had a chance

0:24:22.760 --> 0:24:26.520
<v Speaker 1>to discuss it yet, and that is that a matter

0:24:26.560 --> 0:24:29.359
<v Speaker 1>of hours before the Packers made their first pick in

0:24:29.440 --> 0:24:33.840
<v Speaker 1>this draft on Friday night, they extended wide receiver Jaden

0:24:33.920 --> 0:24:36.919
<v Speaker 1>Reid multi year contract extension, the first of what. I

0:24:36.960 --> 0:24:40.480
<v Speaker 1>think the Packers are planning on several contract extensions here

0:24:40.520 --> 0:24:42.399
<v Speaker 1>of guys that they're looking at, and we'll talk about

0:24:42.400 --> 0:24:45.359
<v Speaker 1>them over the next several months or whatever the case

0:24:45.440 --> 0:24:49.800
<v Speaker 1>might be. But Jaden Reid coming off of a disappointing

0:24:49.840 --> 0:24:52.399
<v Speaker 1>season because of the injury issues with the foot and

0:24:52.400 --> 0:24:55.119
<v Speaker 1>the broken collarbone in Week two, and you know, he

0:24:55.200 --> 0:24:58.119
<v Speaker 1>missed essentially like three quarters of the season or whatever

0:24:58.160 --> 0:25:02.080
<v Speaker 1>it was, and quite frankly didn't really ever looked like

0:25:02.119 --> 0:25:08.440
<v Speaker 1>he was all the way back to me. But a young, dynamic,

0:25:08.600 --> 0:25:11.280
<v Speaker 1>explosive receiver who is going to be in Green Bay

0:25:11.320 --> 0:25:11.760
<v Speaker 1>long term.

0:25:11.840 --> 0:25:13.760
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, and it's funny. You got to remember what this

0:25:13.800 --> 0:25:16.640
<v Speaker 2>guy has done and how quickly he's done it here, right,

0:25:16.680 --> 0:25:18.400
<v Speaker 2>I mean, he was the leading receiver in his first

0:25:18.440 --> 0:25:22.439
<v Speaker 2>two seasons for the Packers, broke Sterling Sharp's single season

0:25:22.520 --> 0:25:24.639
<v Speaker 2>record for catches as a rookie. I think it was

0:25:24.680 --> 0:25:26.240
<v Speaker 2>sixty four. I think he ended up with.

0:25:26.520 --> 0:25:30.000
<v Speaker 1>And Sharp's rookie franchise record was fifty five, so he

0:25:30.359 --> 0:25:31.520
<v Speaker 1>kind of blew it out of the water.

0:25:31.640 --> 0:25:33.280
<v Speaker 2>Yeah. I mean he was just such a focal point

0:25:33.280 --> 0:25:35.320
<v Speaker 2>of the offense. I remember being in philip I should

0:25:35.320 --> 0:25:37.520
<v Speaker 2>say we were actually in South Paulo, Brazil, but I

0:25:37.560 --> 0:25:39.840
<v Speaker 2>remember watching that game against Philadelphia and I just thought

0:25:39.840 --> 0:25:42.280
<v Speaker 2>to myself, I mean, the Packers have a superstar. Yeah,

0:25:42.320 --> 0:25:44.479
<v Speaker 2>the way he was affecting that game, the catches he

0:25:44.520 --> 0:25:46.600
<v Speaker 2>was making in the Eagles secondary didn't really have an

0:25:46.600 --> 0:25:49.720
<v Speaker 2>answer for him, especially in that first half, to have

0:25:49.880 --> 0:25:51.800
<v Speaker 2>him locked up and then you see the numbers and

0:25:52.080 --> 0:25:53.760
<v Speaker 2>you can go find all those on the internet. But

0:25:54.200 --> 0:25:56.280
<v Speaker 2>they made sense for the player, they made sense for

0:25:56.320 --> 0:26:00.520
<v Speaker 2>the organization. It's a different version kind of the they

0:26:00.520 --> 0:26:02.920
<v Speaker 2>did with Christian Watson last year, right where for Reid

0:26:02.960 --> 0:26:05.919
<v Speaker 2>it puts money in his pocket, it gets them some security,

0:26:06.240 --> 0:26:08.280
<v Speaker 2>also gives him a chance for another contract in a

0:26:08.280 --> 0:26:11.600
<v Speaker 2>few years. Meanwhile, Green Bay with how these contracts are

0:26:11.680 --> 0:26:15.720
<v Speaker 2>absolutely skyrocking at the receiver position, and we're probably gonna

0:26:15.720 --> 0:26:17.320
<v Speaker 2>be talking about it again here in the next six

0:26:17.400 --> 0:26:22.280
<v Speaker 2>to ten months. With Christian Watson, the Packers got somebody

0:26:22.280 --> 0:26:24.800
<v Speaker 2>locked up now for the future. That isn't just their

0:26:24.880 --> 0:26:27.879
<v Speaker 2>rookie draft picks from last year. So Red, that's a

0:26:27.880 --> 0:26:30.160
<v Speaker 2>big one. I had a fun with this because when

0:26:30.160 --> 0:26:32.359
<v Speaker 2>it all went down, it reminded me so much of

0:26:32.440 --> 0:26:36.160
<v Speaker 2>twenty thirteen, when I'll never forget. It was myself, Rob

0:26:36.200 --> 0:26:39.159
<v Speaker 2>Damofski and Mike Vandermoss. We were doing our live stream

0:26:40.119 --> 0:26:42.240
<v Speaker 2>before the first day of the NFL Draft, and in

0:26:42.240 --> 0:26:44.879
<v Speaker 2>the middle of it, we caught word that Aaron Rodgers

0:26:44.920 --> 0:26:47.800
<v Speaker 2>had signed his extension, and Rob and I ended up

0:26:47.800 --> 0:26:50.840
<v Speaker 2>getting into a big argument on camera about the scale

0:26:50.920 --> 0:26:52.720
<v Speaker 2>of it, because I said it was the most important

0:26:52.720 --> 0:26:54.720
<v Speaker 2>thing that's going to happen all draft weekend. Rob pushed

0:26:54.720 --> 0:26:56.479
<v Speaker 2>back on me on that because he's like, we all

0:26:56.520 --> 0:26:57.800
<v Speaker 2>knew this was gonna happen. We all knew this is

0:26:57.800 --> 0:27:01.159
<v Speaker 2>gonna happen. Well, the Packers drafted Aton Jones, and then

0:27:01.720 --> 0:27:03.959
<v Speaker 2>you know, Aaron Rodgers did a press conference the same day.

0:27:04.000 --> 0:27:06.320
<v Speaker 2>I mean, you asked the modern fan, you know who

0:27:06.320 --> 0:27:08.000
<v Speaker 2>they're going to know more about at that point, It's

0:27:08.000 --> 0:27:10.520
<v Speaker 2>gonna be Aaron Rodgers. But I digress. Yeah, but it

0:27:10.920 --> 0:27:14.320
<v Speaker 2>brought me back to that moment where getting a deal

0:27:14.400 --> 0:27:16.960
<v Speaker 2>done right in the eleventh hour there before the start

0:27:17.000 --> 0:27:20.960
<v Speaker 2>of the draft. I mean, obviously the Packers didn't have

0:27:22.320 --> 0:27:24.680
<v Speaker 2>a pick that day, but when you factor in being

0:27:24.680 --> 0:27:28.400
<v Speaker 2>able to extend Reid, obviously Micah Parsons and what he's

0:27:28.440 --> 0:27:31.360
<v Speaker 2>brought to this football team in that defense, I'd say

0:27:31.359 --> 0:27:33.800
<v Speaker 2>it was still a good opening round there for Green Bath.

0:27:34.000 --> 0:27:38.400
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, and Brian Gudakunsk has made no secret of his

0:27:38.880 --> 0:27:44.320
<v Speaker 1>desire to have guys like Christian Watson, Tucker Craft, DeVante

0:27:44.359 --> 0:27:46.879
<v Speaker 1>Wyatt in the plans long term here as well. And

0:27:47.000 --> 0:27:49.400
<v Speaker 1>obviously there's there are things that need to be worked out,

0:27:50.119 --> 0:27:52.320
<v Speaker 1>both on the financial side and on the health side

0:27:52.359 --> 0:27:54.040
<v Speaker 1>with a couple of those guys and all that. So

0:27:54.119 --> 0:27:57.640
<v Speaker 1>that's that's what's on that's what's on the radar coming up.

0:27:57.800 --> 0:28:01.880
<v Speaker 1>But this was this was sort of the first of

0:28:01.960 --> 0:28:03.879
<v Speaker 1>we we didn't know what order they were going to

0:28:03.960 --> 0:28:06.480
<v Speaker 1>go in necessarily, this was sort of the first one,

0:28:06.520 --> 0:28:09.320
<v Speaker 1>and hopefully it's the it's the first of several, because

0:28:09.359 --> 0:28:12.760
<v Speaker 1>you see these these guy these guys are the foundation, right,

0:28:12.800 --> 0:28:14.720
<v Speaker 1>These are the guys who have who have come in

0:28:14.880 --> 0:28:17.840
<v Speaker 1>within the last four to five years, been brought into

0:28:18.400 --> 0:28:21.399
<v Speaker 1>Green Bay and and they are they are the foundation

0:28:21.680 --> 0:28:23.960
<v Speaker 1>of what the Packers are doing on the field. They're

0:28:24.000 --> 0:28:26.800
<v Speaker 1>also the foundation of the leadership in the locker room

0:28:26.840 --> 0:28:30.840
<v Speaker 1>and all of that that we've seen and and hopefully

0:28:31.320 --> 0:28:32.840
<v Speaker 1>there are more of these extensions to come.

0:28:32.920 --> 0:28:34.520
<v Speaker 2>I was thinking about this a couple of days ago too.

0:28:34.560 --> 0:28:37.119
<v Speaker 2>I don't know, and again I offer no predictions, but

0:28:37.240 --> 0:28:38.960
<v Speaker 2>I don't know if I can ever think of a

0:28:39.000 --> 0:28:42.360
<v Speaker 2>more of a shoe in for an extension independent of

0:28:42.360 --> 0:28:49.520
<v Speaker 2>even the knee injury over the last eight years than

0:28:49.600 --> 0:28:51.560
<v Speaker 2>Tucker Craft is. Yeah, I was thinking, I'm like, I

0:28:51.560 --> 0:28:55.360
<v Speaker 2>think DeVante Adams made a lot of sense in eighteen

0:28:55.400 --> 0:28:57.360
<v Speaker 2>when they got they got him and Corey Linsley done

0:28:57.360 --> 0:29:00.000
<v Speaker 2>I think on the same day or close to it. Yeah,

0:29:00.280 --> 0:29:02.680
<v Speaker 2>But there's been a lot of these where we weren't sure, right,

0:29:02.680 --> 0:29:05.000
<v Speaker 2>we didn't know what was gonna happen. Christian Watson last year.

0:29:05.040 --> 0:29:07.800
<v Speaker 2>There was times where some of these defensive players that

0:29:07.800 --> 0:29:09.440
<v Speaker 2>they've extended, we weren't sure if they were gonna come

0:29:09.520 --> 0:29:11.840
<v Speaker 2>or they were gonna go. Even Aaron Jones, both of

0:29:12.040 --> 0:29:14.400
<v Speaker 2>Jones's contracts, I didn't really know whether or not he

0:29:14.480 --> 0:29:17.960
<v Speaker 2>was gonna be back in Green Bay. But Kraft just

0:29:18.080 --> 0:29:19.880
<v Speaker 2>he makes sense for the team, He makes sense for

0:29:19.880 --> 0:29:23.120
<v Speaker 2>the for himself. And I'll tell you what, man, if

0:29:23.120 --> 0:29:27.720
<v Speaker 2>Tucker Craft can stay healthy, he is the bona fide

0:29:27.800 --> 0:29:30.560
<v Speaker 2>definition of a tight end. You want to see in

0:29:30.600 --> 0:29:34.000
<v Speaker 2>this offense for ten years, right, just a decade, See

0:29:34.000 --> 0:29:36.920
<v Speaker 2>where he takes the whole thing. See where he just obliterates,

0:29:37.720 --> 0:29:40.640
<v Speaker 2>you know, franchise records and build an offense around him. Packers.

0:29:40.720 --> 0:29:42.640
<v Speaker 2>There was there is years, Mike where you and I

0:29:42.760 --> 0:29:44.240
<v Speaker 2>we would sit in the off season be like, Okay,

0:29:44.240 --> 0:29:46.600
<v Speaker 2>so who's gonna be the tight end next year? Right?

0:29:46.880 --> 0:29:50.560
<v Speaker 2>I mean from the Jared Cook transition to Martell's Bennett

0:29:50.560 --> 0:29:52.600
<v Speaker 2>to Jimmy Graham. The Packers kind of had to keep

0:29:52.600 --> 0:29:55.040
<v Speaker 2>digging and digging and digging, and now I think they

0:29:55.120 --> 0:29:57.080
<v Speaker 2>found one of the topest sending stars in this league

0:29:57.120 --> 0:29:59.400
<v Speaker 2>at that position. Yeah, and it's just too bad about

0:29:59.400 --> 0:30:01.120
<v Speaker 2>the kne injurycause I think if not for the injury,

0:30:01.120 --> 0:30:03.080
<v Speaker 2>we might already be talking about it being done.

0:30:03.040 --> 0:30:05.160
<v Speaker 1>Well he and Yeah, I think we would be talking

0:30:05.200 --> 0:30:07.480
<v Speaker 1>about his extension already being done, and we'd be talking

0:30:07.480 --> 0:30:09.960
<v Speaker 1>about heading into this year. How his twenty twenty five

0:30:10.000 --> 0:30:13.680
<v Speaker 1>season shattered all the Packers single season tight end records

0:30:13.680 --> 0:30:17.600
<v Speaker 1>because he was on pace receptions, receiving yards, and touchdowns.

0:30:17.600 --> 0:30:19.920
<v Speaker 1>He was on pace in twenty twenty five to have

0:30:20.520 --> 0:30:23.600
<v Speaker 1>the best single season by a Packers tight end in history,

0:30:23.600 --> 0:30:27.400
<v Speaker 1>and unfortunately, right around the halfway point, it it ended.

0:30:27.480 --> 0:30:32.720
<v Speaker 1>But we know Tucker. We've were interested, obviously to talk

0:30:32.760 --> 0:30:36.000
<v Speaker 1>to him again when he gets healthy, but he's not

0:30:36.040 --> 0:30:37.040
<v Speaker 1>going to let this stop him.

0:30:37.080 --> 0:30:38.560
<v Speaker 2>This is also why I wanted them to draft a

0:30:38.560 --> 0:30:40.560
<v Speaker 2>tight end so badly, because we're at the point now

0:30:40.600 --> 0:30:42.560
<v Speaker 2>with Tucker going into your fort dude, you just want

0:30:42.560 --> 0:30:45.400
<v Speaker 2>to get as many young tight ends around him as possible. Right,

0:30:45.600 --> 0:30:48.120
<v Speaker 2>he can have his own little tight end you over

0:30:48.160 --> 0:30:50.200
<v Speaker 2>in South Dakota. Yeah, the way that this thing is

0:30:50.240 --> 0:30:53.080
<v Speaker 2>going in, the personality type that he has, Yeah, yeah,

0:30:53.160 --> 0:30:54.280
<v Speaker 2>no doubt. It'd be fun.

0:30:54.520 --> 0:30:57.640
<v Speaker 1>Well, we've got the Rookie Minichamp coming up this weekend,

0:30:57.680 --> 0:31:00.240
<v Speaker 1>so on next week shows we will talk about our

0:31:00.240 --> 0:31:03.040
<v Speaker 1>first impressions actually getting to see these guys up close,

0:31:03.200 --> 0:31:05.480
<v Speaker 1>meet some of them, talk to them and whatnot. But

0:31:05.600 --> 0:31:07.480
<v Speaker 1>for now we'll call it a rap on this edition

0:31:07.480 --> 0:31:09.400
<v Speaker 1>of Packers on Script. It'd be sure to follow all

0:31:09.400 --> 0:31:11.760
<v Speaker 1>of our coverage of the team and everything with Rookie

0:31:11.800 --> 0:31:13.680
<v Speaker 1>Minni Camp this weekend. We'll have it all for you

0:31:14.040 --> 0:31:17.200
<v Speaker 1>on Packers dot com for Wesiammike, thank you for tuning

0:31:17.200 --> 0:31:19.400
<v Speaker 1>in everybody. We will see you next time.