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Speaker 1: This is the Benn and Ashley I Almost Famous podcast

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Speaker 1: with i R Radio. It's Almost Famous podcast. This is

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Speaker 1: something special. We're coming to the end of the season

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Speaker 1: for Gabby and Rachel. Today we have a very special episode. Yes,

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Speaker 1: it's a two part week when it comes to the

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Speaker 1: airing of the show. So we're gonna break down the

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Speaker 1: first half of this episode here in the first twenty minutes.

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Speaker 1: Then the host of the show, Jesse Palmer, is going

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Speaker 1: to join Ashley I Connettie for the kind of middle part.

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Speaker 1: I'd say the climax if you will, And then towards

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Speaker 1: end the show, Ashley will finish the recap. I'm on

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Speaker 1: my way to Nashville, Tennessee for the Love One event.

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Speaker 1: This is an incredible um nonprofit that Jessica's best friend

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Speaker 1: helps run. So I've got to jump on a plane. Uh,

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Speaker 1: the show didn't ask me my schedule. ABC did. ABC

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Speaker 1: did not asking me my schedule when they aired two

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Speaker 1: episodes this week. So that's where we're at. Ashley, let's

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Speaker 1: take it away right from the starts. I want to

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Speaker 1: be here for all of this goodness. You watch the

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Speaker 1: episode last night, you are a resident expert. I watched

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Speaker 1: Stop that stop that you don't like why why am

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Speaker 1: I more? But why am I more of an expert

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Speaker 1: than you? You're the bachelor? Yeah, I don't always understand

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Speaker 1: these scenarios like you do. Okay, So we have the

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Speaker 1: Gabby and Eric situation kind of rolling over um from

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Speaker 1: the episode before. I don't want to see this one end,

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Speaker 1: I will say, Ashley, what do you think you don't

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Speaker 1: want to see the relationship end? Or do you want

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Speaker 1: to see this episode end? Well? I don't want to

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Speaker 1: see this relationship Okay? Well? Same, So she like takes

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Speaker 1: a quick break to really like to like you know,

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Speaker 1: like soak things in, yeah, and then comes back to him,

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Speaker 1: but apparently they still think kind of like leave things

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Speaker 1: unsolved even though they're like hug and kiss, but she

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Speaker 1: still doesn't feel great about him once she leaves. Do

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Speaker 1: you think this is one of those scenarios actually where

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Speaker 1: you're dating somebody, you're so attracted to them, you like,

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Speaker 1: everything's going so well, and then something happens and you

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Speaker 1: feel like some will say it's a red flag. I

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Speaker 1: feel like that's pretty harsh, But you just see something

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Speaker 1: where you're like, I'm no longer as interested as I

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Speaker 1: was before like, do you think she's been I don't

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Speaker 1: hurt is not the right word. Do you think she's

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Speaker 1: been convinced that maybe this is not her? Guy, I

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Speaker 1: don't think you can be convinced with just one moment

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Speaker 1: like this unless there's a series of red flags that

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Speaker 1: we don't know about. Yeah, well so I don't know

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Speaker 1: again like we said dat, yeah, and like we said

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Speaker 1: yesterday's podcast, like I just have complicated feelings about this.

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Speaker 1: While you don't want that got to be giving you

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Speaker 1: tests or ultimatums, which I don't think it's an ultimatum.

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Speaker 1: You also don't want him to be like, yeah, you

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Speaker 1: go have fun and sleep with everyone else, like you

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Speaker 1: kind of want some balance. He's not telling you don't.

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Speaker 1: We've seen this done so many times, way worse. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: this is not a New Sinaire. This is not not

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Speaker 1: Luke no, gosh no, no, not even close. This is

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Speaker 1: this is I think. Um. I just feel like maybe

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Speaker 1: know if he needed to. I think he said what

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Speaker 1: about these last two episodes Actuley's we've seen more of

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Speaker 1: first two years or first two season of him hosting

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Speaker 1: the show. He steps into talk to Gabby, why are

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Speaker 1: a girl's perspective, because Twitter has multiple different opinions on this,

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Speaker 1: do you feel like he consoles correctly or healthily or well?

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Speaker 1: Or does he help or do he hurt? Actually, when

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Speaker 1: you watch Jesse Palmer, I guess is the best question.

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Speaker 1: Do you feel like he's somebody you would like to

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Speaker 1: Why explain why from your perspective he's somebody as a

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Speaker 1: me when I'm in my in a low place. Well

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Speaker 1: I you know, I think people's opinions are different, right,

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Speaker 1: So we move in from the Jesse and Gabby conversation

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Speaker 1: to the Gabby and Jason overnight, which might be the

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Speaker 1: Um And I was more convinced of why I feel

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Speaker 1: that way after watching this overnight. Okay, So they have

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Speaker 1: into dinner and Jason is like, I'm going to have

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Speaker 1: to tell Gabby exactly like my thoughts right now, which

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Speaker 1: is that basically, I would never get engaged after a show.

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Speaker 1: I think that I know her a little bit, but

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Speaker 1: the cameras. Is this like all Magic Hour? Blah blah blah.

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Speaker 1: I'm saying this was such tone because like, this guy

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Speaker 1: we've all really liked Jason, but he I know, he

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Speaker 1: But again, why I'm not convinced that I understand this

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Speaker 1: been comfortable for Jason. He isn't open up a lot.

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Speaker 1: Well he's not. Yeah. Also, when he said I'm not

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Speaker 1: But yeah, it's interesting. I couldn't believe that she after that.

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Speaker 1: That was the right move. I didn't I knew in

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Speaker 1: off pretty fake. Um, But I have to say, Gabby

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Speaker 1: we've been talking about how beautiful Gabby looks in the

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Speaker 1: more she looks stunning. She wakes up glowing, she wakes

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Speaker 1: to the next bachelor. At Rachel and Zach's overnight date.

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Speaker 1: usually like to start off or I like to start

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Speaker 1: off my conversations with you. I don't know if everybody

425
00:24:06,320 --> 00:24:09,119
Speaker 1: likes this, but I like starting with a little NFL talk.

426
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Speaker 1: And you know that my husband and I are so

427
00:24:13,040 --> 00:24:17,800
Speaker 1: invested in Tom Brady that um our son is named

428
00:24:17,800 --> 00:24:22,920
Speaker 1: after him. You know, his middle name is Bertie. Uh.

429
00:24:23,119 --> 00:24:25,240
Speaker 1: But like we're having a weird we're having a weird

430
00:24:25,280 --> 00:24:27,800
Speaker 1: Brady week. We not personally, but like Brady is having

431
00:24:27,800 --> 00:24:31,240
Speaker 1: a weird month. Right. Actually, first off, I thought you

432
00:24:31,280 --> 00:24:36,560
Speaker 1: were a Giant fan. Okay, where did this whole Like,

433
00:24:36,800 --> 00:24:40,920
Speaker 1: you know, we've always been Brady fans, Jesse, when when

434
00:24:41,119 --> 00:24:43,080
Speaker 1: I know one of you is okay if you're not

435
00:24:43,119 --> 00:24:46,119
Speaker 1: allowed to change your stripes as you after having a baby.

436
00:24:46,359 --> 00:24:48,760
Speaker 1: Oh but it's not. He's gotten me on team Tom.

437
00:24:48,800 --> 00:24:51,120
Speaker 1: So it's not even so much that I'm like, I'm

438
00:24:51,160 --> 00:24:53,919
Speaker 1: like not a I'm not even that much of a

439
00:24:53,960 --> 00:24:57,360
Speaker 1: Patriots fan really, as I am a Tom fit No, no, Jesse,

440
00:24:57,400 --> 00:24:59,560
Speaker 1: you don't understand. I always say that like the one

441
00:25:00,240 --> 00:25:05,680
Speaker 1: the one person that could probably root for their spouses team,

442
00:25:05,720 --> 00:25:07,800
Speaker 1: and like like in the way that I do is

443
00:25:07,840 --> 00:25:10,600
Speaker 1: a Giants fan to a Patriots fan because we always

444
00:25:10,680 --> 00:25:13,040
Speaker 1: kick their butt because we always get them in the

445
00:25:13,040 --> 00:25:18,680
Speaker 1: big moments. So so you know how that figures out, Yeah, exactly,

446
00:25:18,680 --> 00:25:21,320
Speaker 1: Like I always have the Trump card and you're allowed

447
00:25:21,359 --> 00:25:23,359
Speaker 1: to cheer for a player like you might not be

448
00:25:23,520 --> 00:25:25,520
Speaker 1: like a Patriots fan. If you say I'm a Tom

449
00:25:25,560 --> 00:25:28,119
Speaker 1: Brady fan, I am a Tom Brady fan. I do

450
00:25:28,200 --> 00:25:31,919
Speaker 1: not give a rat's ass about what's going on in

451
00:25:31,960 --> 00:25:39,040
Speaker 1: Foxboro except for the fact that Bill did up everything. Okay,

452
00:25:39,280 --> 00:25:45,560
Speaker 1: al right, well, yeah, oh gosh, I know. Sorry, Okay,

453
00:25:45,920 --> 00:25:48,720
Speaker 1: our producers like, okay, actually weally have ten to fifteen

454
00:25:48,760 --> 00:25:50,919
Speaker 1: minutes with him. So if you don't talk, if you

455
00:25:50,920 --> 00:25:53,520
Speaker 1: could not talk about Tom and Giselle. But but really,

456
00:25:53,560 --> 00:25:55,359
Speaker 1: what do we think is going out with Tom? Giselle?

457
00:25:55,800 --> 00:25:58,639
Speaker 1: I don't know what are you worried? Like, I don't know,

458
00:25:58,760 --> 00:26:01,879
Speaker 1: I'm not. I mean, he's forty five years old, and like,

459
00:26:01,880 --> 00:26:05,040
Speaker 1: like I think football people are like, he's taking time away,

460
00:26:05,200 --> 00:26:07,760
Speaker 1: it's hurting the chemistry of the team. I mean, he's

461
00:26:07,760 --> 00:26:09,960
Speaker 1: going to get that back right aways. Tom Brady, the

462
00:26:09,960 --> 00:26:12,520
Speaker 1: guy literally wakes up and he's still Tom Brady. I

463
00:26:13,400 --> 00:26:15,399
Speaker 1: you know, I would be lying if I said I

464
00:26:15,440 --> 00:26:18,479
Speaker 1: haven't wondered what might be going on. But honestly, like

465
00:26:18,880 --> 00:26:21,840
Speaker 1: I this is such a boring answer. I just think

466
00:26:21,840 --> 00:26:23,560
Speaker 1: he's like, dude, I don't want to do training Camper.

467
00:26:23,560 --> 00:26:26,840
Speaker 1: Of course, he's like, bro, Like, I'm forty five, I've

468
00:26:26,840 --> 00:26:30,040
Speaker 1: won how many Super Bowls? I'm not sweating in Tampa

469
00:26:30,640 --> 00:26:32,520
Speaker 1: in the month of August with all these guys twice

470
00:26:32,520 --> 00:26:34,040
Speaker 1: a day. I'm not doing it. Like I'll play the

471
00:26:34,080 --> 00:26:35,840
Speaker 1: games and I'll beat Tom Brady and can just do that?

472
00:26:35,920 --> 00:26:40,280
Speaker 1: He really doesn't need training. Brady, didn't he like buy

473
00:26:40,359 --> 00:26:42,480
Speaker 1: He bought just one last time. He bought like a

474
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Speaker 1: piece of land in Miami for like ten million and

475
00:26:44,920 --> 00:26:46,640
Speaker 1: like tore it down. Now he's making like a seven

476
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Speaker 1: million dollar home or something. Right, maybe he had to

477
00:26:49,200 --> 00:26:51,639
Speaker 1: go look at that. He's creating the compound. Okay for

478
00:26:51,720 --> 00:26:55,119
Speaker 1: him and for the rest of their lives. Yes, we

479
00:26:55,160 --> 00:26:58,760
Speaker 1: know that she doesn't like him playing at he said,

480
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Speaker 1: but he said, I use it or hire at forty five,

481
00:27:01,080 --> 00:27:02,880
Speaker 1: So we gotta give him the forty year and then

482
00:27:02,920 --> 00:27:07,919
Speaker 1: he's done. Okay, okay, okay, Now now we transition. We

483
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Speaker 1: transition now in a beautiful transition with the question, if

484
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Speaker 1: there is one NFL player out there, um that you

485
00:27:15,240 --> 00:27:17,760
Speaker 1: would like to see as bachelor, who would it be?

486
00:27:18,119 --> 00:27:20,880
Speaker 1: We need a stunt caster, We need somebody. We need

487
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Speaker 1: a stunt cast. So let's get somebody can stay Kwonley, Yes, okay,

488
00:27:26,680 --> 00:27:28,680
Speaker 1: let's get it. Let's get this happening. You can your

489
00:27:28,720 --> 00:27:30,600
Speaker 1: people reach out to Stake Kwan? Can you get him

490
00:27:30,640 --> 00:27:33,159
Speaker 1: on on the podcast? I think he'd be awesome for

491
00:27:33,160 --> 00:27:35,480
Speaker 1: people who don't know. Ashley knows people out there that

492
00:27:35,560 --> 00:27:37,640
Speaker 1: don't know. He's the running back of the New York Giants.

493
00:27:38,000 --> 00:27:41,760
Speaker 1: He's a great guy, he's a good looking sing he's

494
00:27:41,760 --> 00:27:43,919
Speaker 1: a stud player. See that part. I don't know because

495
00:27:44,119 --> 00:27:46,520
Speaker 1: he's a good enough football player that he could be

496
00:27:46,600 --> 00:27:49,280
Speaker 1: dating an A list celebrity if he wanted to, Like

497
00:27:49,320 --> 00:27:52,919
Speaker 1: it could be Russell Wilson. Cr We love Russell Wilson

498
00:27:53,000 --> 00:27:56,520
Speaker 1: and Sierra, so it's like he's that level, but I

499
00:27:56,560 --> 00:27:59,119
Speaker 1: don't know if he is, and if he's not, that

500
00:27:59,160 --> 00:28:02,160
Speaker 1: would be my NFL pick. Okay, love that answer. Love

501
00:28:02,160 --> 00:28:06,760
Speaker 1: the answer. Now let's go into deep questions about this show,

502
00:28:07,880 --> 00:28:10,600
Speaker 1: starting out as to where Ben and I left off

503
00:28:11,440 --> 00:28:15,400
Speaker 1: with the recap. We see, you know, Gabby goes to Eric,

504
00:28:15,440 --> 00:28:18,280
Speaker 1: it's all dramatic, Like Hugh, most of his heart wasn't

505
00:28:18,280 --> 00:28:22,760
Speaker 1: been beating out of his chest. When she like knocks

506
00:28:22,760 --> 00:28:24,560
Speaker 1: on his door and it's like, let's talk. I'm just

507
00:28:24,560 --> 00:28:27,080
Speaker 1: gonna get to it. He probably was like, Oh, this

508
00:28:27,119 --> 00:28:28,639
Speaker 1: is the moment, this is the moment she breaks up

509
00:28:28,680 --> 00:28:30,680
Speaker 1: with me. And then she's like you're the only one

510
00:28:30,720 --> 00:28:35,880
Speaker 1: here and I love you, which is so cute. Only

511
00:28:36,119 --> 00:28:38,200
Speaker 1: only Gabby could do that too. That's like such a

512
00:28:38,240 --> 00:28:42,920
Speaker 1: Gabby delivery for that moment. Yeah, I can't even imagine

513
00:28:42,920 --> 00:28:45,560
Speaker 1: what was going through Eric's Eric's mind, you know, it's

514
00:28:45,560 --> 00:28:47,440
Speaker 1: been so funny. I don't know how you and Ben

515
00:28:47,480 --> 00:28:50,239
Speaker 1: feel about it, But watching Gabby and Eric this this

516
00:28:50,320 --> 00:28:53,360
Speaker 1: whole time, like from the beginning, they obviously have this

517
00:28:53,440 --> 00:28:56,080
Speaker 1: amazing chemistry and you can see that and you can

518
00:28:56,080 --> 00:28:58,160
Speaker 1: tell that they're falling in love and they have these feelings,

519
00:28:58,640 --> 00:29:03,520
Speaker 1: but communication with and is so off at times, and

520
00:29:03,560 --> 00:29:06,320
Speaker 1: it just kind of comes back over and over and over.

521
00:29:06,320 --> 00:29:08,760
Speaker 1: It's a huge hurdle. They just can't seem to get over,

522
00:29:09,440 --> 00:29:12,880
Speaker 1: and so because of that, it just feels like there're

523
00:29:12,880 --> 00:29:16,040
Speaker 1: always one conversation from this thing being over. That's how

524
00:29:16,080 --> 00:29:19,120
Speaker 1: I feel. You know, it's just so volatile because of

525
00:29:19,120 --> 00:29:21,560
Speaker 1: their inability to be on the same wavelength that way

526
00:29:21,560 --> 00:29:24,120
Speaker 1: all the time. But you just know that they have

527
00:29:24,200 --> 00:29:25,880
Speaker 1: these strong feelings for each other and they want to

528
00:29:25,880 --> 00:29:29,920
Speaker 1: be together, and so that that's kind of what was

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Speaker 1: my thought watching that back again last night too, I

530
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Speaker 1: was like, oh my god, it's just so intense between

531
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Speaker 1: these two all the time. Is that a tease or

532
00:29:36,400 --> 00:29:38,840
Speaker 1: a tea up for what we might see in next

533
00:29:39,080 --> 00:29:42,800
Speaker 1: week's episode? Yeah, it's not over yet, because yeah, it

534
00:29:42,840 --> 00:29:45,680
Speaker 1: doesn't look like it's over yet. It's all I'll say, well,

535
00:29:45,720 --> 00:29:48,960
Speaker 1: you know, it's like one conversation at this point, especially

536
00:29:48,960 --> 00:29:54,040
Speaker 1: one conversation can can change everything, can blow everything up.

537
00:29:54,080 --> 00:29:58,360
Speaker 1: And with them because they have these communication breakdowns. Um,

538
00:29:59,760 --> 00:30:02,680
Speaker 1: it's it's you know, you're on pins and needles every

539
00:30:02,680 --> 00:30:04,640
Speaker 1: time you know they're coming together because you just wanted

540
00:30:04,680 --> 00:30:08,640
Speaker 1: to end up. Well, so it's you know, people, people

541
00:30:08,680 --> 00:30:11,040
Speaker 1: will see it's but it's all say it's not over.

542
00:30:12,760 --> 00:30:15,040
Speaker 1: You're as serious right now as you are on the

543
00:30:15,120 --> 00:30:18,120
Speaker 1: stage with no lights on. At the end of the episode,

544
00:30:18,720 --> 00:30:23,280
Speaker 1: I just escaped. It was like I was I was

545
00:30:23,320 --> 00:30:26,440
Speaker 1: held by our producers for a week and a random state.

546
00:30:26,480 --> 00:30:30,040
Speaker 1: It was like apocalyptic, wasn't. I'm watching it back, I'm like,

547
00:30:30,280 --> 00:30:33,240
Speaker 1: there's zombies outside, they're breaking in. This maybe my last

548
00:30:33,280 --> 00:30:38,320
Speaker 1: message everyone. It was so like that I'm watching it

549
00:30:38,560 --> 00:30:40,800
Speaker 1: and I'm like, all right, I gotta press pause here.

550
00:30:40,880 --> 00:30:43,240
Speaker 1: I don't even know like if I'm missing context here.

551
00:30:43,640 --> 00:30:45,760
Speaker 1: We're just we're just saying that next week is going

552
00:30:45,800 --> 00:30:48,200
Speaker 1: to be this dramatic. We have to prepare ourselves in

553
00:30:48,240 --> 00:30:51,520
Speaker 1: a dark studio. So like Jared came here, came here,

554
00:30:51,680 --> 00:30:54,800
Speaker 1: analyzed this with me what is going on? And like

555
00:30:54,880 --> 00:30:58,280
Speaker 1: where's what is that studio too? Like that's like for

556
00:30:58,320 --> 00:31:00,880
Speaker 1: people at home, honestly, like what when people at home

557
00:31:00,960 --> 00:31:03,840
Speaker 1: in basturd Nation when you watch these these stage shows,

558
00:31:04,160 --> 00:31:06,280
Speaker 1: we call them stage shows. So when it's like mental

559
00:31:06,400 --> 00:31:09,680
Speaker 1: All or women Tell All or a fr um, that's

560
00:31:09,680 --> 00:31:12,600
Speaker 1: what the studio looks like before it looks like what

561
00:31:12,640 --> 00:31:14,480
Speaker 1: it does when you watch. So I think there's people

562
00:31:14,480 --> 00:31:17,160
Speaker 1: out there that that think that stage is always black

563
00:31:17,160 --> 00:31:20,160
Speaker 1: and shiny and there's video boards and seats and well

564
00:31:20,240 --> 00:31:22,720
Speaker 1: lit and everything. I mean, what these people do is

565
00:31:22,760 --> 00:31:25,560
Speaker 1: pretty incredible because I mean that stage shoots movies and

566
00:31:25,560 --> 00:31:29,160
Speaker 1: different TV shows. But yes, like last night it looked

567
00:31:29,160 --> 00:31:32,680
Speaker 1: like I was in a zombie apocalypse. I'm trying to

568
00:31:32,680 --> 00:31:35,000
Speaker 1: announce that, and my wife's watching it. She's on the

569
00:31:35,040 --> 00:31:39,160
Speaker 1: floor rolling. She's like, you didn't tell me you were

570
00:31:39,200 --> 00:31:41,479
Speaker 1: going in filming there. She was so mad I had

571
00:31:41,480 --> 00:31:44,200
Speaker 1: to go back and film that, And she's like, where

572
00:31:44,200 --> 00:31:45,920
Speaker 1: were you filming that? Why didn't you just film that?

573
00:31:46,000 --> 00:31:47,960
Speaker 1: And like where we live? You could have picked any

574
00:31:48,040 --> 00:31:49,720
Speaker 1: studio to do that. You're telling me you had to

575
00:31:49,800 --> 00:31:53,400
Speaker 1: fly just for that five minute clip. Well, I have

576
00:31:53,480 --> 00:31:57,000
Speaker 1: to say that it was so captivating that maybe it

577
00:31:57,040 --> 00:32:01,200
Speaker 1: was worth it. It's got me counting down the moments

578
00:32:01,200 --> 00:32:03,760
Speaker 1: to get to watch that episode. Okay, so we got

579
00:32:03,760 --> 00:32:07,200
Speaker 1: to tease there with you that we will have that

580
00:32:07,320 --> 00:32:10,840
Speaker 1: it is not over. It's not happily ever after with

581
00:32:10,880 --> 00:32:13,920
Speaker 1: Gabby and Eric. So let's move over to Rachel. And

582
00:32:13,960 --> 00:32:18,080
Speaker 1: when we left off with her, we see that Zack

583
00:32:18,200 --> 00:32:21,880
Speaker 1: interrupts the rose ceremony after making a big stink with

584
00:32:21,960 --> 00:32:24,160
Speaker 1: you having a heart to heart about how she was

585
00:32:24,200 --> 00:32:27,160
Speaker 1: a different girl in the fantasy suite. So before you

586
00:32:27,240 --> 00:32:30,080
Speaker 1: came on, Ben and I gave our theory. We said

587
00:32:30,120 --> 00:32:31,880
Speaker 1: that we think that she like kind of had like

588
00:32:31,960 --> 00:32:33,920
Speaker 1: the ick with him. She was like over it, but

589
00:32:34,000 --> 00:32:35,400
Speaker 1: like it was kind of like playing by the roles

590
00:32:35,400 --> 00:32:39,600
Speaker 1: and being nice and polite, gets behind closed doors and

591
00:32:39,640 --> 00:32:42,280
Speaker 1: she just can't hide the fact that she's not into

592
00:32:42,320 --> 00:32:45,720
Speaker 1: him anymore. Like he's probably making moves on her and

593
00:32:45,760 --> 00:32:48,360
Speaker 1: she was probably like, oh no, I'm thinking about Tino,

594
00:32:49,400 --> 00:32:53,200
Speaker 1: And what's your theory? Because you had the actual conversation

595
00:32:53,280 --> 00:32:57,680
Speaker 1: and he kept blaming the engage ready marriage, blah blah blah,

596
00:32:58,560 --> 00:33:02,240
Speaker 1: but like, was there more to that conver station please Bill. Yeah,

597
00:33:02,320 --> 00:33:04,640
Speaker 1: so you know, I'm I'm sort of with you. I mean,

598
00:33:04,640 --> 00:33:07,000
Speaker 1: I'm just reading body language the way you and Ben

599
00:33:07,040 --> 00:33:09,720
Speaker 1: are doing it too, and how everybody else is watching it. Um.

600
00:33:09,760 --> 00:33:11,880
Speaker 1: I was surprised that Zach even knocked on my door

601
00:33:11,920 --> 00:33:13,960
Speaker 1: in the first place, just because everything leading up to

602
00:33:14,040 --> 00:33:16,720
Speaker 1: that overnight date and the fantasy suite between them seemed

603
00:33:16,760 --> 00:33:18,440
Speaker 1: like it was just going so so well, and just

604
00:33:18,920 --> 00:33:21,600
Speaker 1: seeing them interact, talking to Zack, hearing how he felt

605
00:33:21,600 --> 00:33:24,200
Speaker 1: about her, hearing Rachel about how she felt about him.

606
00:33:24,640 --> 00:33:26,800
Speaker 1: Everything seemed like it was going so great. And even

607
00:33:26,800 --> 00:33:28,880
Speaker 1: on that date and at dinner and everything leading into

608
00:33:28,880 --> 00:33:32,240
Speaker 1: the fantasy suite, it seemed kosher. It seemed fine. Um,

609
00:33:32,400 --> 00:33:35,800
Speaker 1: but you could just tell that awkward breakfast the morning

610
00:33:35,840 --> 00:33:38,520
Speaker 1: after something was just really off and it was it

611
00:33:38,560 --> 00:33:42,200
Speaker 1: was weird. Oh I forgot to mention that. Yeah, like

612
00:33:42,240 --> 00:33:45,360
Speaker 1: the coffee comments, like it was weird, almost like she

613
00:33:45,480 --> 00:33:48,680
Speaker 1: was being sarcastic with him. I could not pick up

614
00:33:48,760 --> 00:33:52,000
Speaker 1: what was going on, and he was he wasn't having it,

615
00:33:52,040 --> 00:33:55,600
Speaker 1: but she was like, yeah, if everything seems super like

616
00:33:55,720 --> 00:33:58,680
Speaker 1: active on her part, but like in an obvious way

617
00:33:59,280 --> 00:34:01,280
Speaker 1: she was talking about she was like, now, like are

618
00:34:01,320 --> 00:34:03,719
Speaker 1: we on the same page? Like, do you remember what

619
00:34:03,760 --> 00:34:06,080
Speaker 1: we talked about? And then and it was I didn't

620
00:34:06,120 --> 00:34:08,640
Speaker 1: know what that conversation was until Zach came and saw

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Speaker 1: me and he mentioned his age. That's when that was.

622
00:34:11,239 --> 00:34:14,280
Speaker 1: There was the aha moment, like maybe she's not sure

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Speaker 1: that he's really ready at his age, um to do

624
00:34:17,520 --> 00:34:21,040
Speaker 1: this and to get down on one knee. Um. Seeing

625
00:34:21,040 --> 00:34:24,880
Speaker 1: how emotionally was I mean, he's he's obviously was heartbroken

626
00:34:24,920 --> 00:34:29,000
Speaker 1: by that. He was super confused, and you know, he

627
00:34:29,080 --> 00:34:31,160
Speaker 1: knew he needed to talk to her and address that

628
00:34:31,239 --> 00:34:33,200
Speaker 1: with her at the Rows ceremony, and that's what that's

629
00:34:33,200 --> 00:34:34,880
Speaker 1: what he's about to do. We're going to see that.

630
00:34:34,960 --> 00:34:39,440
Speaker 1: But just based on just body language, watching everything and

631
00:34:39,480 --> 00:34:43,560
Speaker 1: seeing how how hurt Zack was after the fact, something

632
00:34:43,640 --> 00:34:45,839
Speaker 1: definitely went down and I think you're going to find

633
00:34:45,880 --> 00:34:49,600
Speaker 1: that out. Um coming up? What was said? Oh so

634
00:34:49,640 --> 00:34:52,839
Speaker 1: we do get more? Oh you're you're gonna get more? Oh?

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Speaker 1: Thank goodness. Could it possibly have been because like a

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Speaker 1: sexual rendezvous like awkwardness? I don't know, man. I'll say this,

637
00:35:01,600 --> 00:35:04,440
Speaker 1: having been in a in a fantasy suite or two

638
00:35:04,480 --> 00:35:09,919
Speaker 1: in my life, I can say things. Can I mean

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00:35:10,680 --> 00:35:14,600
Speaker 1: things can can go off, Things can you know can

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00:35:14,640 --> 00:35:18,960
Speaker 1: go wrong, and if there's it's a conversation um or

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00:35:19,000 --> 00:35:22,000
Speaker 1: it's a compatibility issue in any way, shape or form.

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00:35:22,280 --> 00:35:26,200
Speaker 1: Things you know, you make you make. I think realizations

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00:35:26,239 --> 00:35:28,759
Speaker 1: in those moments when you're trying to find clarity, to

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00:35:28,800 --> 00:35:30,920
Speaker 1: find out is this person going to be my forever

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00:35:31,640 --> 00:35:34,120
Speaker 1: um and it can be a whole different number of things.

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00:35:34,160 --> 00:35:36,040
Speaker 1: I think a lot of bastination wants to know what

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00:35:36,160 --> 00:35:39,800
Speaker 1: went down, what happened, why were there those weird feels

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00:35:39,880 --> 00:35:42,560
Speaker 1: coming out? And I think we're gonna get get those answers.

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00:35:42,920 --> 00:35:45,200
Speaker 1: I could keep talking to you about Gabby and Rachel,

650
00:35:46,360 --> 00:35:48,160
Speaker 1: but I'm going to give you a theory, and we're

651
00:35:48,160 --> 00:35:49,799
Speaker 1: gonna We're gonna end at this and then move on

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00:35:49,800 --> 00:35:53,799
Speaker 1: to Paradise. I think both girls are going to get

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00:35:53,800 --> 00:35:57,080
Speaker 1: engaged at the end of this, and I think they're

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00:35:57,120 --> 00:35:59,800
Speaker 1: both going to show up to the after the final

655
00:36:00,120 --> 00:36:04,640
Speaker 1: was single. Okay, this is my stoic face, straight face,

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00:36:04,719 --> 00:36:08,320
Speaker 1: straight face, anything away, he's too good at this game. Okay,

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00:36:09,320 --> 00:36:12,960
Speaker 1: don't tip all right, I think that's it though. That's

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00:36:13,000 --> 00:36:17,920
Speaker 1: my theory. Okay, Well that leads us into what do

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00:36:17,920 --> 00:36:23,879
Speaker 1: you prefer? Jesse hosting a Paradise or hosting the main show. Um,

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00:36:24,480 --> 00:36:26,960
Speaker 1: I don't know. I sort of like I really enjoyed

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00:36:27,040 --> 00:36:32,600
Speaker 1: doing both for different reasons. Paradise was super fun. Um hey,

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00:36:32,600 --> 00:36:35,920
Speaker 1: it was great seeing all of you. How is it

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00:36:36,040 --> 00:36:37,880
Speaker 1: for you going back there? I mean, I know, I

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Speaker 1: we will talk about it and people see it on air,

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00:36:40,160 --> 00:36:42,680
Speaker 1: live and everything. But it was so amazing having both

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00:36:42,719 --> 00:36:45,880
Speaker 1: you and Jared that we talked about it like almost daily,

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00:36:45,960 --> 00:36:47,600
Speaker 1: being like, can we go back to Paradise? Can we

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00:36:47,600 --> 00:36:49,480
Speaker 1: go back to Paradise? Just a little teaser? Was the

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Speaker 1: first time that Paradise was truly Paradise for both of us.

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Speaker 1: It was such a great time. Do you like, do

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00:36:55,160 --> 00:36:57,520
Speaker 1: you are you with me on this? Like Paradise looks

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00:36:57,560 --> 00:37:00,719
Speaker 1: better in person than it does on TV. I I

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00:37:00,760 --> 00:37:03,080
Speaker 1: think it's beautiful. It is. I thought it was stunning.

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00:37:03,120 --> 00:37:05,520
Speaker 1: You're talking about sets, you know, and how they change

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00:37:05,560 --> 00:37:09,839
Speaker 1: that just bare room into this beautiful set. Talk about

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00:37:09,880 --> 00:37:13,800
Speaker 1: what they do for Paradise, like that place is lush.

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00:37:14,120 --> 00:37:17,200
Speaker 1: They do so much decorating. I can't believe that the

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Speaker 1: pla Escan data doesn't just keep it up all year

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00:37:19,680 --> 00:37:24,360
Speaker 1: round A thousand, a thousand percent. It looks totally different

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00:37:24,360 --> 00:37:26,040
Speaker 1: apparently when they when they take it all down again,

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Speaker 1: But just like that area on the beach and the water,

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Speaker 1: it's great. I don't know, man, it was cool seeing

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00:37:31,800 --> 00:37:34,640
Speaker 1: people from Clayton season and from Rachel and Gabby season

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00:37:34,640 --> 00:37:37,080
Speaker 1: who I knew personally. And it was also cool, you know,

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Speaker 1: being at the gates of Paradise and meeting people that

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Speaker 1: were coming down from previous shows that I had watched

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Speaker 1: as a fan. So that was awesome. Um. And then

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00:37:45,560 --> 00:37:47,960
Speaker 1: like I think for people at home when they watch,

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00:37:48,560 --> 00:37:51,280
Speaker 1: to me, it's like expecting unexpected in a way, because

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00:37:51,440 --> 00:37:53,719
Speaker 1: they're going to be surprised by people who show up.

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00:37:54,239 --> 00:37:56,879
Speaker 1: I think they're going to be surprised at who ends

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Speaker 1: up coupling up. And there's some twists in a format

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Speaker 1: that that we've never seen on Paradise before, which is

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00:38:03,840 --> 00:38:06,440
Speaker 1: a lot of newness. Yeah, which is maybe why the

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Speaker 1: girls say f you Jesse Palmer in the preview like

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Speaker 1: when had happened and Peter guys the producers like you

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00:38:14,520 --> 00:38:18,040
Speaker 1: can see what they said about you? What do you mean?

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00:38:18,120 --> 00:38:20,080
Speaker 1: He showed me a video and I was dying laughing

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00:38:20,120 --> 00:38:23,160
Speaker 1: at a mental all. I was howling about that he

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00:38:23,360 --> 00:38:25,359
Speaker 1: was going to get a shout out, but not like that.

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Speaker 1: All right, Jesse, Well, I have to I've got to

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Speaker 1: let you go. I just want to let you know that,

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00:38:30,960 --> 00:38:34,440
Speaker 1: say Kwon Barkley actually has a really hot long time girlfriend.

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Speaker 1: So you're gonna have to come up with a new

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Speaker 1: pick for next time. I see you a new New

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Speaker 1: York gin. Okay, okay, I'll see you next time. Can't wait,

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Speaker 1: can't wait for Paradise and all that. Hi. I had

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Speaker 1: so many more questions for Jesse, but he's a very

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Speaker 1: busy man. Like I said, he was backstage at Kelly

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00:38:53,360 --> 00:38:55,799
Speaker 1: and Ryan when I'm talking to him, so he's got

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00:38:55,840 --> 00:38:59,400
Speaker 1: big things to do with the finale coming up. I

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00:38:59,480 --> 00:39:03,360
Speaker 1: just can't belie this finale. It's dark, guys, it looks dark.

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Speaker 1: I'm scared for both these girls. I really want them

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Speaker 1: to have happy endings, and I'm just worried that they

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00:39:07,920 --> 00:39:09,840
Speaker 1: went through all this and they're not going to get it.

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Speaker 1: But Ben and I will be back next week recapping

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Speaker 1: the finale episodes, and then I will be here with

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Speaker 1: Katherine Lowe and that episode will be released on Friday.

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Speaker 1: So I'll talk to you soon. I love you so much.

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Speaker 1: Until then, I've Been Ashley. Follow the Ben and Ashley

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