WEBVTT - Short Stuff: Corduroy

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<v Speaker 1>Hello, and welcome to the Short Stuff. I'm Josh, there's Chuck.

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<v Speaker 1>There's j J. Brand new guest producer. We've got this

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<v Speaker 1>revolving door going on. It's just like a beautiful and

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<v Speaker 1>this is short stuffy JJ's he's a pro though, Like

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<v Speaker 1>it's not like you can just show up here take

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<v Speaker 1>a ticket like you're at the deli. No, no, nothing

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<v Speaker 1>like that. This isn't This isn't cats as deli. Hell,

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<v Speaker 1>I'd be pretty happy for. Nor is it doctor Katz's

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<v Speaker 1>therapy office. Anytime we hear of doctor Kats, I think

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<v Speaker 1>of um. I think it was dom Arera. He used

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<v Speaker 1>to be a regular on that and he used to

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<v Speaker 1>go like Dr Cats, And it's always it's been in

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<v Speaker 1>my head since. Oh man, Dr Cats was great. I

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<v Speaker 1>miss it really was. Let's go watch some after this. Okay,

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<v Speaker 1>all right, but let's talk about cord of Roy first. Sure, sure,

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<v Speaker 1>that's fine. We can talk about about that, because you

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<v Speaker 1>see him wearing it in honor of today. I know

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<v Speaker 1>you're wearing some rust colored corduroy pants that I would

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<v Speaker 1>say are maybe a probably about a twelve ten to

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<v Speaker 1>twelve whale, yeah, because maybe eight. They're pretty standard Levi's

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<v Speaker 1>chords whatever that whale is. And if you're wondering what

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<v Speaker 1>we're talking about, we'll tell you here in a minute

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<v Speaker 1>after we get to a little bit of the the

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<v Speaker 1>history here, which is debatable. Apparently it is because it's

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<v Speaker 1>either French in origin, uh korda do roy the King's cord.

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<v Speaker 1>But my money is a little more towards what the

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<v Speaker 1>Brooks brothers say, which is no, mate, it was street

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<v Speaker 1>streetwear in eighteenth century England. I don't think the Brooks

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<v Speaker 1>brothers sound like that. No, what do they sound like? Oh? Really?

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<v Speaker 1>I can just think of Albert Brooks and super Dave

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<v Speaker 1>Osborne as the Brooks brothers. Oh that's good. Why Dave

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<v Speaker 1>oz Born? He's not a Brooks, is he? They're brothers? Man? No? No?

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<v Speaker 1>That wow? Man? Their parents must have been really cool

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<v Speaker 1>probably so okay. So either way, what we're really talking

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<v Speaker 1>about here is where the origin of the name for

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<v Speaker 1>the fabric came from. It looks chuck like corduroy has

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<v Speaker 1>its roots way further back than that that. It comes from,

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<v Speaker 1>possibly and probably a type of fabric from dating back

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<v Speaker 1>to about two CE back in ancient Egypt called um Fustians.

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<v Speaker 1>Names after the city where they were made, al Fustat,

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<v Speaker 1>which is I think Fustian is still actually a term

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<v Speaker 1>for certain types of corduroy or certain types of fabric,

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<v Speaker 1>including corduroy that are real thick and squishy and and

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<v Speaker 1>originally they were pretty coarse. Yeah, but that Brooks Brothers

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<v Speaker 1>story has a lot of credibility because the chord uh

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<v Speaker 1>referencing the rose, the ridges, the chords, and d Roy

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<v Speaker 1>which is a wolf fabric, right. That sounds like a

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<v Speaker 1>pretty open and shut case to me. Now, yeah, I'm good,

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<v Speaker 1>I'm no, I'm with you. I'm going with the Brooks Brothers.

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<v Speaker 1>Um interpretation to it was really just the um the

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<v Speaker 1>impression you did that I had an issue, okay, But

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<v Speaker 1>the fabric itself you think that is Egyptian or Middle Ages,

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<v Speaker 1>and then uh later Egyptian you know. So, so it

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<v Speaker 1>was Egyptian first, but it was um, it wasn't corded.

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<v Speaker 1>There weren't whales on it. It was just one thick

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<v Speaker 1>piece of like velvet kind of right, where you have

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<v Speaker 1>a certain kind of fabric and then woven on top

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<v Speaker 1>of that fabric, is it the fabric that makes it

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<v Speaker 1>kind of plushier, thicker, um sturdier, and that is what

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<v Speaker 1>corduroy is. That it's as base um, and that that's

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<v Speaker 1>what they were making for many many centuries. And then finally,

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<v Speaker 1>at some point during the Middle Ages, somebody said, Hey,

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<v Speaker 1>I've got a really good idea about this. Let's turn

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<v Speaker 1>this into corduroy by cutting rows into this stuff. Right.

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<v Speaker 1>What we do know in the United States is that

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<v Speaker 1>it was first made in Woolsta, mass In about seventeen eighty.

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<v Speaker 1>And uh, I do need to shout out Corduroy the

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<v Speaker 1>Bear here because not only is it does it appear

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<v Speaker 1>in this house stuff works short article on corduroy. But

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<v Speaker 1>I have a pretty great Corturoy the Bear history, which

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<v Speaker 1>was I loved that book a lot as a kid,

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<v Speaker 1>did you. I was aware of it, but I think

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<v Speaker 1>it was a little ahead of my time. Okay, I

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<v Speaker 1>think it was ahead of my time too. I mean

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<v Speaker 1>I think it predates me. But I love the story.

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<v Speaker 1>And my mom made she got a teddy bear that

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<v Speaker 1>looked kind of like corduroy and made him little corturoy

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<v Speaker 1>overalls and shorts and what was missing a button? So

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<v Speaker 1>that is so sweet. Yeah, I had my very own

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<v Speaker 1>kind of one of the great things about my mom.

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<v Speaker 1>And she could really so and so she could make

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<v Speaker 1>me things when they did not exist on the toy market.

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<v Speaker 1>Oh that's me. Or she could save some money and

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<v Speaker 1>just make her own knockoffs. Well we did that as well,

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<v Speaker 1>right right. I had more than one T shirt made

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<v Speaker 1>from like curtain fabric. That's hilarious. Um My mom used

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<v Speaker 1>to take my T shirts and like stuff them and

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<v Speaker 1>turn them into pillows when I outgrew them. Oh that's sweet. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>it was pretty sweet. I have no idea where they

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<v Speaker 1>are anymore, but yeah, I had a few. I had

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<v Speaker 1>one that said BMX. Oh yeah, that'd be pretty cool

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<v Speaker 1>to have today. It really would. So we mentioned the whales, uh,

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<v Speaker 1>and I think we should get to that before we

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<v Speaker 1>take our little break. The whales are those rigid little

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<v Speaker 1>ridges W A L E. S. I'm so glad you

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<v Speaker 1>spelled it. Yeah. Um, And it's the higher the whale count,

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<v Speaker 1>the smaller the little ridge is. So if you have

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<v Speaker 1>worn one of those really fine sort of like corduroy Oxford's.

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<v Speaker 1>I'm not a huge fan of them for myself. I

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<v Speaker 1>don't mind the way they look, but I've never liked

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<v Speaker 1>them for me personally. But that's about a sixteen whale.

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<v Speaker 1>What don't you like about them? It's just not my bag.

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<v Speaker 1>I'm not. I'm not big on collar church period. They've

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<v Speaker 1>they ruffled my neck and my chin. Yeah, um, I

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<v Speaker 1>but that particular one you just described about the sixteen whale.

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<v Speaker 1>Cord think is typically called pink cord. Yeah, you have

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<v Speaker 1>some of those, right, I do not. But I have

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<v Speaker 1>to say researching corduroy made me want to go buy

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<v Speaker 1>some corduroy stuff, so I think it's in the offing. Yeah.

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<v Speaker 1>My problem with my chords is they really wear out

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<v Speaker 1>the knees very fast. And I'm not he spends a

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<v Speaker 1>lot of time on his knees. I'm not scrubbing floor

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<v Speaker 1>as much or anything. So I don't know what the

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<v Speaker 1>deal is. Okay, well that's a mystery. I think we

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<v Speaker 1>can go to a commercial break on. All right, we'll

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<v Speaker 1>figure it out. Well, now we're on the road, driving

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<v Speaker 1>in your truck. Want to learn a thing or two

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<v Speaker 1>from Josh Madam, Chuck stuff you should know? All right,

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<v Speaker 1>m all right, Chuck, we're back in. Um, let's talk

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<v Speaker 1>a little more about how corduroy is made, right, because

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<v Speaker 1>this blew my mind when I finally saw some diagrams

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<v Speaker 1>and I understood it. All right, let's hear it. So

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<v Speaker 1>with a typical fabric, you take two different sets of

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<v Speaker 1>yarns and you weave them together perpendicular to one another,

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<v Speaker 1>and you have fabric. When you're making a fustian, like

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<v Speaker 1>a thicker, fluffier fabric like say terry cloth or velvet

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<v Speaker 1>or corduroy, you it's very nice, isn't it, you use

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<v Speaker 1>a third set of yarn, And so what you have

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<v Speaker 1>is that basic, you know, flat fabric, and then woven

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<v Speaker 1>into the top of that is that thicker pile of

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<v Speaker 1>fabric called the um worst right, okay, And so just

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<v Speaker 1>leaving it like that, you have something like velvet or

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<v Speaker 1>again like terry cloth, which you love so much. But

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<v Speaker 1>if you want to make corduroy, you take that that

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<v Speaker 1>um fussy and fabric and then you take a very

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<v Speaker 1>sharp set of scissors or something like that, and you

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<v Speaker 1>cut a line all the way along the length of

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<v Speaker 1>the fabric. And what you've just done is created a

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<v Speaker 1>two whale um bolt of corduroy. But that's no one's

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<v Speaker 1>gonna wear that, right, Yeah, And two whale bolt is

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<v Speaker 1>a great band name, by the way it is. That's

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<v Speaker 1>funny because I was just gonna say, the only person

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<v Speaker 1>who wear that is somebody like Flee from the Red

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<v Speaker 1>Hot Chili Peppers, but he'll wear anything as pants as

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<v Speaker 1>we've seen over the years. Um. So you start making

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<v Speaker 1>more cuts and more cuts, and like you were saying,

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<v Speaker 1>depending on how supple or um nice you want to

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<v Speaker 1>make the fabric, the more cuts you're gonna make. But

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<v Speaker 1>however many cuts there are. However many ridges there are

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<v Speaker 1>per inch. That's the whale count, and that's kind of

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<v Speaker 1>describes how thick the ridges are. But the point is

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<v Speaker 1>when you make that cut, what you've done is cut

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<v Speaker 1>that top layer of fabric, the additional third set of yarn,

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<v Speaker 1>and you've cut it into two and you've exposed the

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<v Speaker 1>other traditional two yarn set of fabric underneath. And that's

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<v Speaker 1>what corduroy is. It's a raised ridge that used to

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<v Speaker 1>be all one complete set of yarn, and then there's

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<v Speaker 1>valleys that are the fabric below. Yeah, I've been practicing

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<v Speaker 1>this for for days. That's good, and it's still didn't

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<v Speaker 1>go according to plant, Like I want to cut my

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<v Speaker 1>thigh with the razor blade, right now. I'm so frustrated, Chuck. No,

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<v Speaker 1>I think that was perfect actually, what you end up

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<v Speaker 1>with and how they actually referred to it in the

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<v Speaker 1>industry as a three dimensional fabric, a three dimensional pile weave. Uh.

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<v Speaker 1>And like you've mentioned, velvet and terry cloth are also

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<v Speaker 1>three dimensional fabrics and it's pretty great. Um. They say

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<v Speaker 1>in here, uh that you need to steam or fluff corduroy.

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<v Speaker 1>I don't think that's the case, or I've never done that. No,

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<v Speaker 1>only a Brooks Brothers would do that. But I do

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<v Speaker 1>have a pretty rock end corduroy coat from back in

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<v Speaker 1>the day. Uh. I mean this thing is I probably

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<v Speaker 1>had it for twenty years and I got it second hand,

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<v Speaker 1>and it is beautiful and it's got a really fat

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<v Speaker 1>whales on it and I don't pull it out much anymore.

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<v Speaker 1>It used to be my New York coat, but I've

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<v Speaker 1>evolved a bit since then, but I still have it

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<v Speaker 1>and it's it's really a nice coat, that is. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>I think I know that coat you're talking about. I'm

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<v Speaker 1>either confusing you or Joe McCormick has one that he

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<v Speaker 1>likes to rock a lot. It's probably Joe, because I

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<v Speaker 1>haven't one mind in years, okay, but you got your

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<v Speaker 1>second hand twentysomething years ago, so that would have coincided

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<v Speaker 1>roughly with the last corduroy revival. And the first one

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<v Speaker 1>I remember was in the nineties. Do you remember that. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>I mean they were big in the fifties, certainly in

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<v Speaker 1>the sixties and seventies, and then in the nineties. I

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<v Speaker 1>think that's when I got this thing, and I got

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<v Speaker 1>to I got one shorter one that had a narrower whale,

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<v Speaker 1>and then this longer one that has the big fat whales,

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<v Speaker 1>and I think I still have both of them. Is

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<v Speaker 1>it like a trench coat at corduroy trench coat. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>it's like a long corturoy coat with the big brown

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<v Speaker 1>buttons and like a wool uh lapel. Is it like

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<v Speaker 1>a barn coat or something? What a barn coat? I'm

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<v Speaker 1>not sure what that is. It sounds like what you're

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<v Speaker 1>just scribing, You're gonna have to wear this in some day.

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<v Speaker 1>I'll bring it in, all right, cool bringing in for

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<v Speaker 1>show and tell. But yeah, So it was kind of

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<v Speaker 1>big in the fifties, really took off in the late sixties,

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<v Speaker 1>and then really huge in the seventies and then went

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<v Speaker 1>nowhere until the nineties, and then I guess this thing

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<v Speaker 1>said in the two thousand tens that came back or

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<v Speaker 1>the two thousands that came back in which I was

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<v Speaker 1>not aware of that at all. Well, I've always rocked

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<v Speaker 1>the cord pants, but over the years it has ranged

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<v Speaker 1>from like school uniform fabric to UH. In World War One,

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<v Speaker 1>low ranking soldiers wore it UH work where if you

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<v Speaker 1>worked in like a factory, because the stuff is pretty warm,

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<v Speaker 1>because it's thicker, and it's durable too, Yeah, very durable,

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<v Speaker 1>excepting the knees and um. And then it's you know,

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<v Speaker 1>sometimes it's also been looked at as something a little fancier, right,

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<v Speaker 1>which apparently originally was it was sportswear for the upper

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<v Speaker 1>class um, and then somehow just kind of fell out

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<v Speaker 1>of favor and became associated with the working class and

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<v Speaker 1>the lower classes, and then it's it just kind of

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<v Speaker 1>stayed that way until, like I think, starting in the twenties,

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<v Speaker 1>for a little while there it was pretty common as

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<v Speaker 1>um upholstery for cars. Did you know that. Yeah, I

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<v Speaker 1>have seen a car upholstered in Cortroy and it's pretty awesome.

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<v Speaker 1>I'll bet it's pretty awesome. The only way that could

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<v Speaker 1>be any better is if there were like patchwork corduroy. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>now I know the jacket that you're talking about. That

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<v Speaker 1>is Joe's for sure. Yes, I think it even has

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<v Speaker 1>elbow patches. Yeah. His is more like a blazer, sure,

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<v Speaker 1>not a duster like yours. Right, what else you got?

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<v Speaker 1>I got nothing else? Man. I support corduroy, like knowing

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<v Speaker 1>a little bit more how it's made. And uh, I say,

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<v Speaker 1>wear it never out of fashion. Up with corduroy, agreed. Um.

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<v Speaker 1>If you want to know more about corduroy, by the way,

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<v Speaker 1>check out headles H E D D E l S

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<v Speaker 1>dot com. They have something called Corduroy read between the

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<v Speaker 1>Lines of the Wailed Fabric by James Smith, and it

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<v Speaker 1>has a picture that will finally explain better than I

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<v Speaker 1>possibly could how corduroy is made very simply. Yes, Okay, Well,

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