WEBVTT - Into The Lion's Den 0:00:00.920 --> 0:00:05.640 The aftermath of the heist was chaos. Gangsters high tailed 0:00:05.680 --> 0:00:08.920 it out of town to avoid any more attention, while 0:00:09.039 --> 0:00:13.159 journalists scrambled to get details about the robbery. J D. 0:00:13.320 --> 0:00:18.599 Hudson began his investigation. He was concerned that the press 0:00:18.920 --> 0:00:22.200 and some of his fellow officers were penning the crime 0:00:22.239 --> 0:00:26.520 on the wrong man and chicken man was desperate to 0:00:26.520 --> 0:00:30.840 stay alive and do anything in his power to keep 0:00:30.880 --> 0:00:35.800 his family safe. These people are talking about killing all 0:00:35.800 --> 0:00:38.559 of us. I mean me, you and your mom. I 0:00:38.640 --> 0:00:42.199 can't let my family get killed because of it. That 0:00:42.360 --> 0:00:44.160 might be got rob Then I had all these people 0:00:44.200 --> 0:00:46.839 all again, Gluten FBI and one of who was the 0:00:46.880 --> 0:00:50.080 black Mirk. You have any idea who would have coolest 0:00:50.080 --> 0:00:53.239 stuff like this? I don't have no ideas at all. 0:00:54.080 --> 0:00:56.600 The reason they were mad because they were not anybody, 0:00:57.200 --> 0:01:04.560 and the man was prob. I think you had from 0:01:04.600 --> 0:01:07.800 my heart, radio and doghouse pictures. This is fight night. 0:01:08.560 --> 0:01:18.480 I'm Jeff Keating. When I spoke with j D during 0:01:18.480 --> 0:01:22.160 our interview in two thousand and two, he speculated that 0:01:22.280 --> 0:01:26.000 as the robbers were fleeing the party, Frank Moten had 0:01:26.040 --> 0:01:29.640 one of his bodyguards waiting in the car outside when 0:01:29.680 --> 0:01:34.240 Bookie Brown and Lillian Dabney exited in a rush. We 0:01:34.400 --> 0:01:39.760 think that bodyguard captured them and tortured them for information 0:01:40.160 --> 0:01:44.520 on the rest of their crew. To the hustlers, there 0:01:44.600 --> 0:01:49.640 was one guy out of New York, Okay, two guys 0:01:51.240 --> 0:01:55.800 and one by guy never went into the building the 0:01:55.840 --> 0:02:00.120 house of lad managers. Okay. That's a sad outside, okay. 0:02:00.680 --> 0:02:03.800 And that was the last guy that was robbed. The 0:02:04.000 --> 0:02:20.040 last gun followed, okay. And what I figured happened is 0:02:20.080 --> 0:02:23.720 that when they left, the robbers left these last two people, 0:02:24.240 --> 0:02:27.480 they grabbed him, got the damn money, what it was 0:02:27.520 --> 0:02:30.840 in the goddamn pilgate. They the damn shotgun from the 0:02:30.919 --> 0:02:33.960 motherfucker's and that damn bought up aromatic and one scheme 0:02:34.040 --> 0:02:38.000 mats and blue calammt okay, But who have a coat? 0:02:38.280 --> 0:02:40.560 Booky Brown took about a blues got damn head off 0:02:40.600 --> 0:02:46.480 the guys head on, and that was just the beginning 0:02:46.520 --> 0:02:52.359 of the killings. Immediately after the million dollar heist, chicken 0:02:52.400 --> 0:02:56.680 Man struggled with his state of mind. Here's Gordon Williams Jr. 0:02:57.200 --> 0:03:01.680 Recalling his father's mood the day after the robbery. My 0:03:01.760 --> 0:03:04.600 dad was really down He was really sad. He was 0:03:04.639 --> 0:03:09.280 blaming himself, but he didn't know what to do. My 0:03:09.320 --> 0:03:12.680 mother tried to comfort him, but you couldn't connect with him. 0:03:12.800 --> 0:03:16.200 He was really just out of it. We were scared. 0:03:16.400 --> 0:03:19.560 My mom was scared. I was scared, even being a teenager, 0:03:19.600 --> 0:03:22.080 I was scared to death. My dad had to tell us, 0:03:22.160 --> 0:03:26.000 you know, John might have to leave because these people 0:03:26.000 --> 0:03:28.120 were talking about killing all of us, I mean me, 0:03:28.320 --> 0:03:32.760 you and your mom, J D. Hudson, and Chicken Man. 0:03:32.800 --> 0:03:36.080 Remember that time. Well, I knew they were gonna kill it. 0:03:38.280 --> 0:03:42.200 I knew they were going to kill him, and I 0:03:42.280 --> 0:03:45.720 knew I would set up looking for that, and the 0:03:45.880 --> 0:03:47.920 police weren't going to be responsible, cause I think up 0:03:47.920 --> 0:03:50.960 on bless his name out of that police an FBI. 0:03:51.920 --> 0:03:54.880 My dad mentioned to me after the robbery and everything, 0:03:55.120 --> 0:03:58.240 there were things that he wasn't aware of. First of all, 0:03:58.240 --> 0:04:00.560 he told me he had no knowledge of what had 0:04:00.600 --> 0:04:04.000 happened on what was about to happen, but also that 0:04:04.280 --> 0:04:07.960 there were people there they had ordered hits on him. 0:04:08.040 --> 0:04:10.720 And I was like, so you were never scared, He said, 0:04:10.840 --> 0:04:13.960 I was scared, but they had ordered hits on him, 0:04:14.160 --> 0:04:18.560 and that's something I never heard until later on, when 0:04:18.600 --> 0:04:21.279 when we start hearing about stories about my dad being killed, 0:04:21.680 --> 0:04:23.560 it just blew us away because we couldn't believe it 0:04:23.640 --> 0:04:26.280 because we read the same stories about Chicken Man was dead. 0:04:26.600 --> 0:04:31.000 One of my mother's sister called and said, why didn't 0:04:31.040 --> 0:04:32.960 you call us and tell us that Gordon had been killed? 0:04:34.120 --> 0:04:37.840 And I remember my mother telling him my husband's not dead, 0:04:38.839 --> 0:04:41.440 So you sure, said, they're saying that it's in the 0:04:41.440 --> 0:04:46.279 papers he's dead. We couldn't even digest it because it 0:04:46.360 --> 0:04:51.039 was just it was so unreal. Gordon Junior's aunts called 0:04:51.080 --> 0:04:53.599 his mom and said, why didn't you tell us that 0:04:53.640 --> 0:04:57.400 Gordon is dead? His mom said, what are you talking about? 0:04:57.680 --> 0:05:01.120 He ain't dead, but his aunt said, yes, he is. 0:05:01.560 --> 0:05:04.560 I just read it in the paper. It seems she 0:05:04.680 --> 0:05:07.719 felt for the same misinformation that I did when it 0:05:07.760 --> 0:05:12.200 came to the death of Chicken Man. Meanwhile, Chicken Man 0:05:12.279 --> 0:05:15.760 made himself visible as possible, knowing this was the best 0:05:15.760 --> 0:05:19.600 strategy to clear his name. Most hustlers who pulled off 0:05:19.640 --> 0:05:22.000 such a stunt would be hiding and running from the 0:05:22.000 --> 0:05:25.600 police and the people they had robbed, but Chicken Man 0:05:25.640 --> 0:05:28.840 did the opposite. He did, however, make a call to 0:05:28.920 --> 0:05:34.240 his attorney Joe Salem. Joe Selden was real close to 0:05:34.360 --> 0:05:37.800 my dad. Joe sale was the one that when whenever 0:05:37.839 --> 0:05:40.200 my dad got in trouble, you know, Joe Selden would 0:05:40.200 --> 0:05:42.599 get him out him. And Joe Selden was very type. 0:05:42.920 --> 0:05:44.640 He was like family. Joe would come to the house 0:05:44.800 --> 0:05:46.360 and he talked to my dad, sit down and tell 0:05:46.400 --> 0:05:49.400 my dad. Listen, you're being investigated. You better slow down 0:05:49.440 --> 0:05:52.560 what you're doing. They got open case on you. So 0:05:53.120 --> 0:05:54.839 that's where my dad had to go to w s 0:05:54.880 --> 0:05:58.960 BTV because he wanted to declare his innocence because people 0:05:58.960 --> 0:06:02.159 were coming at us. Everybody was saying were serious. Everybody 0:06:02.200 --> 0:06:04.479 was saying he did it, he did it, we know 0:06:04.600 --> 0:06:06.880 he did it. And he told us, I'm going on 0:06:06.920 --> 0:06:09.680 TV to declare my innocence because I didn't do this. 0:06:10.839 --> 0:06:12.920 I don't want to do it, but I gotta do it. 0:06:13.040 --> 0:06:15.040 I want to just say my family in order to 0:06:15.080 --> 0:06:20.480 protect y'all, otherwise they're gonna kill us. This is the 0:06:20.520 --> 0:06:25.040 audio from the WSB TV interview the Chicken Men recorded 0:06:25.080 --> 0:06:28.479 a couple of days after the robbery in nineteen seventy 0:06:29.920 --> 0:06:32.919 and then the woman that it was because the woman 0:06:32.960 --> 0:06:35.440 to dressed the house. So I found after all this 0:06:35.680 --> 0:06:38.320 was over, that he push me that end of the door. 0:06:38.800 --> 0:06:41.680 She had a shotgun land on her head to tell 0:06:41.680 --> 0:06:44.159 her what to say and know what to do. Do 0:06:44.200 --> 0:06:46.159 you have any idea who would have pulled of stuff 0:06:46.200 --> 0:06:50.960 like this? I don't have no ideas at all. I 0:06:51.000 --> 0:06:53.200 wish y'all will wait to y'all get something before y'all. 0:06:54.200 --> 0:06:56.160 I mean, I guess you know that this is like 0:06:56.360 --> 0:06:59.320 this is uh deaf one for me for something that 0:06:59.360 --> 0:07:03.359 I don't even know anything about. I repeat that I 0:07:03.440 --> 0:07:08.200 knew nothing about it. I see nothing, and I wasn't 0:07:08.240 --> 0:07:12.480 any part that I played that anybody victimized at all, 0:07:12.880 --> 0:07:15.160 And in fact, I feel like I was more victimized 0:07:15.200 --> 0:07:18.200 than anybody that was there. But one thing for shell, 0:07:18.680 --> 0:07:21.040 not hunter than seven to one dollar that I lost. 0:07:22.360 --> 0:07:24.080 I wouldn't even know the man to see to get 0:07:24.120 --> 0:07:28.560 that back back. But clarify that I don't knew nothing 0:07:28.840 --> 0:07:31.920 and I didn't see nothing, so I would move in 0:07:32.040 --> 0:07:35.120 to this side of the Chicken man was scared and 0:07:35.240 --> 0:07:38.560 upset that the press implied he set up the robbery 0:07:39.080 --> 0:07:42.320 with little concern of the consequences these statements had on 0:07:42.440 --> 0:07:45.760 his life. He once told me that the press were 0:07:45.760 --> 0:07:50.240 the police, the judge and the jury. This seemed to 0:07:50.240 --> 0:07:55.000 be a perfect example of that idea was a goddamn 0:07:55.160 --> 0:07:59.880 national news. And national I said that too, a news 0:08:00.000 --> 0:08:02.280 if you report? Who called me from Rome into it? 0:08:03.440 --> 0:08:05.040 And next time I read in the paper with the 0:08:05.200 --> 0:08:08.600 black Market got robbed, Yeah, and I said black Michael 0:08:08.600 --> 0:08:10.760 got rob Then I had all these people called me, 0:08:10.800 --> 0:08:13.920 including FBI and other people want to know who was 0:08:13.960 --> 0:08:20.360 the black licher. Someone robbed the black mafia. A spectacular crime, 0:08:21.240 --> 0:08:23.680 and chicken Man found himself at the center of the 0:08:23.760 --> 0:08:28.560 media frenzy that followed. Newspaper headlines all over the world 0:08:28.920 --> 0:08:33.320 mentioned the Ali Corey fight, but story after story highlighted 0:08:33.360 --> 0:08:37.800 the million dollar robbery, and Gordon chicken Man Williams was 0:08:37.840 --> 0:08:42.040 the poster boy. Chicken Man did the only thing he 0:08:42.120 --> 0:08:46.040 knew would keep him and his family safe. He flew 0:08:46.080 --> 0:08:48.800 to New York to meet with Frank Molten and the 0:08:48.840 --> 0:08:53.080 Council of Twelve, right into the lions Den, and he 0:08:53.160 --> 0:09:03.960 had no idea if he would come out alive. Chicken 0:09:03.960 --> 0:09:07.600 Man had to prove his innocence at any cost, and 0:09:07.640 --> 0:09:11.599 it didn't help that the press and several police officers 0:09:11.920 --> 0:09:15.520 were convinced he was responsible for setting up the robbery. 0:09:16.400 --> 0:09:18.560 Here I am with him in two thousand and three 0:09:19.280 --> 0:09:24.160 getting his side of the story, or during those first 0:09:24.160 --> 0:09:27.120 few days. It's unusual because a lot of people might 0:09:27.120 --> 0:09:28.719 think you may want to go in hiding if you 0:09:28.760 --> 0:09:31.400 said you kept yourself very visible to talk about your 0:09:32.080 --> 0:09:35.240 feelings and your movements, let's say. And then a few 0:09:35.320 --> 0:09:40.560 nights after the robbery, well, I knew that I had 0:09:40.600 --> 0:09:43.120 nothing to do with it. That's the only thing that 0:09:43.240 --> 0:09:49.240 really free my spirit. Na was I suddond to be 0:09:49.720 --> 0:09:55.679 murdered killed? Yeah? Why because the newspaper portrayed that way, 0:09:56.360 --> 0:09:59.920 having tooker Man house and Chicken Man Gay the party. 0:10:00.160 --> 0:10:03.600 I didn't give the party. My instruction from from people 0:10:03.600 --> 0:10:07.520 who did or used the house, not for me not 0:10:07.600 --> 0:10:10.640 to tell nobody that I didn't invite nobody. I went 0:10:10.640 --> 0:10:13.800 to New York and I was telling the guy that 0:10:14.040 --> 0:10:16.960 was major players and what the party was gonna be, 0:10:16.960 --> 0:10:20.400 because this really was the black gaming. And then this 0:10:20.559 --> 0:10:24.880 showing me had me clear and every time my name 0:10:25.040 --> 0:10:28.359 come up, they was thumbing down. I found that rewarding 0:10:28.440 --> 0:10:30.640 for me to be able to hear that from my 0:10:30.760 --> 0:10:34.880 comrade that's why I mean myself clear, I mean invisible, 0:10:35.360 --> 0:10:38.720 so it wouldn't be misunderstood because the people thought I 0:10:38.800 --> 0:10:42.200 had something to do it. Chicken Man flew to New 0:10:42.280 --> 0:10:47.200 York to face the major players, including Frank Molten. Remember Frank, 0:10:47.840 --> 0:10:50.600 known as the Black Godfather, was a member of the 0:10:50.600 --> 0:10:54.720 Council of Twelve. Frank did business with other high level 0:10:54.760 --> 0:10:58.920 criminals like Nicky Barnes and Frank Lucas. And I always 0:10:58.960 --> 0:11:01.880 wondered how many other big time players were at the 0:11:01.880 --> 0:11:06.160 after party when it got robbed. But Frank Molten was 0:11:06.200 --> 0:11:10.120 an ally the Chicken Man, and he vouched for him. 0:11:10.280 --> 0:11:14.199 And Fay told me, so this is going, then nobody 0:11:14.240 --> 0:11:17.400 think you've done that. He said, God, there's no way 0:11:17.400 --> 0:11:20.680 than people that Jeric is surface and we don't know it. 0:11:22.240 --> 0:11:24.559 That's a lot of money. Fact told me, So this 0:11:24.720 --> 0:11:29.520 is going. One thing we know is that too many 0:11:29.600 --> 0:11:33.200 people know about it, so it won't be low and 0:11:33.240 --> 0:11:35.400 if they can't go to the Jews though they came 0:11:35.440 --> 0:11:38.800 upon it, So we're gonna put the people on notice. 0:11:39.040 --> 0:11:42.480 But we had to cap by the tail um. But 0:11:42.960 --> 0:11:46.319 one thing I did know, some of the biggest racketeers 0:11:46.360 --> 0:11:49.959 in the country were there if not the biggest. I 0:11:50.280 --> 0:11:54.960 sweared it out as any big time racketeer who was 0:11:55.040 --> 0:11:58.600 not in at Manta, and most of whom came to 0:11:58.640 --> 0:12:03.600 that party. And that's why Coon the graves I said 0:12:03.640 --> 0:12:07.520 that these guys are crazy. They're gonna get killed because 0:12:07.559 --> 0:12:11.000 they've robbed a black marka know. J D seems to 0:12:11.000 --> 0:12:14.880 take credit for coining the phrase black mafia, but we're 0:12:14.920 --> 0:12:18.840 not exactly sure when this term was first used. The 0:12:18.880 --> 0:12:22.480 title was associated in the late sixties and early seventies 0:12:22.760 --> 0:12:30.640 to a criminal organization in Philadelphia whose activities ranged from extortion, gambling, prostitution, 0:12:31.120 --> 0:12:35.360 and ultimately political murders, but the members of the black 0:12:35.400 --> 0:12:39.120 Mafia he is referring to were from several other cities 0:12:39.520 --> 0:12:44.520 like Detroit, Kansas City, and New York. J D believed 0:12:44.800 --> 0:12:48.560 that one of Frank Morton's bodyguards caught Bookie Brown and 0:12:48.640 --> 0:12:52.040 a lady named Lillian Dabney as they fled the robbery. 0:12:53.000 --> 0:12:56.880 Soon after, the police found their dead bodies at Proctor Creek, 0:12:57.480 --> 0:13:02.040 just miles away from Handy Drive. Around this time, j 0:13:02.200 --> 0:13:05.319 D and his team found their first piece of evidence. 0:13:07.040 --> 0:13:10.360 That's truth. It is got bed behind some bushes the 0:13:10.360 --> 0:13:16.160 hedges on the right hand side of the house. There 0:13:16.240 --> 0:13:19.720 was a bay back happletes bay Okay, a duffle bag 0:13:19.760 --> 0:13:24.680 in a way, a hand water and uh that was 0:13:24.840 --> 0:13:29.720 a forty five revolver, a start off shotgun, A couple 0:13:29.800 --> 0:13:34.080 of masks are walking talking, and two large pillowcases. The 0:13:34.120 --> 0:13:37.959 witness told me that that they said a woman was involved. 0:13:38.120 --> 0:13:42.080 Right he was clicking on the floor right that they 0:13:42.080 --> 0:13:46.160 would rot the man splitting jewelry, tacking juror from the 0:13:46.240 --> 0:13:50.600 women and putting them. Now you've got the duffle bags 0:13:50.720 --> 0:13:54.480 with forty five was shot up shotgun with pillowcases with 0:13:54.600 --> 0:13:57.040 some masks. So now you've got the beginning of the case. 0:13:57.160 --> 0:14:00.560 We checked the time shop on which the gone was 0:14:00.760 --> 0:14:03.760 like his own age Wood Avenue across from the Minnesota market. 0:14:03.800 --> 0:14:06.240 About the gun that was found in the duffel bad 0:14:06.360 --> 0:14:10.280 got you and land it was like this back Houston 0:14:10.360 --> 0:14:14.600 Hammond use his own drifts to flex his damn. Okay, 0:14:15.480 --> 0:14:18.960 so we got this. But once j D. Knew that 0:14:19.040 --> 0:14:22.320 Houston Haymans used his idea to buy the shotgun from 0:14:22.320 --> 0:14:26.640 a pawn shop, he and his partner Joe Amos, decided 0:14:26.680 --> 0:14:29.560 to stake out a part of town that Houston Haymons 0:14:29.680 --> 0:14:33.040 was known to frequent with a bit of luck. They 0:14:33.080 --> 0:14:36.960 spotted him while they were eating lunch. Here's j D 0:14:37.520 --> 0:14:46.960 filling me in on the details. So we got in start. 0:14:47.600 --> 0:14:49.720 I gat an office and he would get a stampaign. 0:14:55.400 --> 0:14:59.720 Since he wouldn't tell us who's involved. I called the 0:14:59.760 --> 0:15:03.640 press his conference. Can drug about to sail the stugment 0:15:03.720 --> 0:15:08.000 round the cameras, I said, you tell me who with you. 0:15:08.360 --> 0:15:11.960 I'm gonna make an announcement that you totally everybody. How 0:15:12.000 --> 0:15:14.760 mun tell the guys that you was about the robbery. 0:15:15.160 --> 0:15:17.040 Here I am with j D at his house in 0:15:17.120 --> 0:15:21.280 two thousand and three when I questioned his account versus 0:15:21.320 --> 0:15:24.440 what was reported in the newspaper. Now, let me just 0:15:24.440 --> 0:15:26.320 stop you for one second, because in one of the 0:15:26.400 --> 0:15:29.040 articles he said he was tricked into buying that gun, 0:15:30.080 --> 0:15:33.000 tricked he's a drug, and he's a drug. He got it. 0:15:33.120 --> 0:15:35.440 And so I totally got my front and lots conference 0:15:36.600 --> 0:15:39.040 and kind of who you are. Let the boys know 0:15:39.240 --> 0:15:42.520 you want the robber and how my time you loose unbelievable. 0:15:43.000 --> 0:15:45.920 That's going to scare him even more. And so that's 0:15:45.960 --> 0:15:49.640 through about markets and you didn't do that because I've 0:15:49.680 --> 0:15:52.320 got the article where it mentions his name. Well, I 0:15:52.360 --> 0:15:54.560 threw in my office. But he's big, He's beat on 0:15:54.640 --> 0:15:57.600 the door. It big and cry, he cried, Yeah, he 0:15:57.600 --> 0:16:00.880 would have been killed. Right. So j threatened to go 0:16:00.920 --> 0:16:04.480 on the news and tell the world that Houston Hammonds 0:16:04.760 --> 0:16:08.960 was responsible for the robbery, hoping this would scare him 0:16:08.960 --> 0:16:12.320 into a confession. Okay, when you told him what you 0:16:12.360 --> 0:16:14.800 were gonna do, did he reconsider and say I'm willing 0:16:14.840 --> 0:16:19.080 to talk? He told everything is in his mind and 0:16:19.200 --> 0:16:21.720 his words. What did he say? Happy? Well, he told 0:16:21.720 --> 0:16:25.160 me where they bought the walking talking Okay, where did 0:16:25.160 --> 0:16:29.360 they buy those? In radio shape one street? What hope? 0:16:29.400 --> 0:16:32.920 Did he say? They bought the masks from a five 0:16:32.960 --> 0:16:37.400 intensor stone upon a Butler Street, and ed, okay, but 0:16:37.720 --> 0:16:43.200 the shotguns old that, uh cont on Leash Street right 0:16:43.320 --> 0:16:47.640 about seven thus, and they both the songs from a 0:16:47.840 --> 0:16:51.000 Potwest so at least a year, right they thought? The 0:16:51.120 --> 0:16:54.760 uns often failed? And I had this Halloween mask. Here's 0:16:54.840 --> 0:16:58.280 j D explaining to Chicken Man why the robbers had 0:16:58.360 --> 0:17:00.800 to wear masks. Just what I had the mask on, 0:17:01.320 --> 0:17:05.360 because that y'all would have known him. I said one 0:17:05.400 --> 0:17:07.760 question to have a mask on, and I think that 0:17:07.840 --> 0:17:11.920 was that boy from Newcastle, New York who just got 0:17:12.000 --> 0:17:14.240 back to the guy came to Atlanta, he grew up 0:17:14.280 --> 0:17:18.520 in uh one arriving to Georgia. And he was the 0:17:18.680 --> 0:17:23.520 brother now the first cousin they were. There were three 0:17:23.560 --> 0:17:27.280 relatives involved. We knew. It was shocking as a matter 0:17:27.320 --> 0:17:30.760 of fact, at the caliber of guys who pulled off 0:17:30.760 --> 0:17:34.440 the robbery. The guys those how cold they were, and 0:17:34.480 --> 0:17:51.840 they were cold as ice, threatening to kill everybody. Houston, Hayman's, 0:17:51.960 --> 0:17:55.320 claimed to j D and Joe Amos during their interrogation 0:17:55.760 --> 0:17:58.840 that he was paid to purchase the shotgun by James 0:17:58.920 --> 0:18:03.840 Henry Hall. Now they had another name to investigate. Even 0:18:03.920 --> 0:18:06.920 more incredible was a piece of paper they found in 0:18:07.000 --> 0:18:11.359 Houston's pocket. It had a telephone number and extension on 0:18:11.520 --> 0:18:14.760 it that led the two detectives to a hotel suite. 0:18:15.880 --> 0:18:19.200 No one was in that hotel suite, but luckily j 0:18:19.400 --> 0:18:22.800 D and Amos stumbled into a group of robbery victims 0:18:23.160 --> 0:18:26.440 before they had a chance to leave town. J D 0:18:26.600 --> 0:18:29.000 convinced them he was not interested in who they were 0:18:29.560 --> 0:18:34.120 or what they did, but only in who robbed them. Reluctantly, 0:18:34.800 --> 0:18:38.440 they agreed to talk the main piece of information he 0:18:38.560 --> 0:18:42.080 received was that the four of them calculated their losses 0:18:42.680 --> 0:18:46.320 at a total of seventy eight thousand dollars. I did 0:18:46.400 --> 0:18:50.119 the math if there were approximately a hundred people at 0:18:50.160 --> 0:18:53.600 the after party, that puts the total Hall at just 0:18:53.880 --> 0:18:59.080 under four million dollars, staggering numbers. J D and Amos 0:18:59.240 --> 0:19:02.600 were unable to find James Henry Hall at first, but 0:19:02.760 --> 0:19:05.440 they were able to trace purchases He made it a 0:19:05.560 --> 0:19:11.879 pawn shop on Marietta Street, a thirty gage shotgun, a knife, hacks, 0:19:11.920 --> 0:19:17.000 all hacks, all blades, and some sandpaper. Two new names 0:19:17.040 --> 0:19:21.159 were added to their list as well, Charles Lee and 0:19:21.320 --> 0:19:25.199 Baby Ray Humphreys. Here's j D back in two thousand 0:19:25.240 --> 0:19:30.760 and two talking about this young crew. This is getting 0:19:30.800 --> 0:19:32.840 good now taking me back to that night. These men 0:19:32.920 --> 0:19:35.399 are in both to the robbery. How did they find 0:19:35.480 --> 0:19:39.280 out that the party was going on? Well? Hung around 0:19:39.400 --> 0:19:42.440 the rule. But these are not big time high Rule. No, 0:19:42.840 --> 0:19:47.200 these guys are lucre Mark. How old approximately or these 0:19:47.280 --> 0:19:52.600 guys twented setting? But none of them probably in their 0:19:52.680 --> 0:19:56.200 late thirties or forties. The one guy affects I think, 0:19:57.440 --> 0:20:01.720 and what was his name? His name was daughter Nobody 0:20:01.840 --> 0:20:05.639 connect him to mean that the name j D just 0:20:05.840 --> 0:20:10.639 mentioned was Emerson Dorsey. His conclusion was that Dorsey was 0:20:10.760 --> 0:20:15.399 the mastermind of the heist. From our research, we believe 0:20:15.480 --> 0:20:18.320 it was another hustler from New York we discussed earlier, 0:20:18.800 --> 0:20:23.840 named Richard Wheeler a k a. Cadillac Ritchie. But here's 0:20:23.920 --> 0:20:29.240 j D explaining his speculation. Emerson, Emerson Dorsey. The hustlers 0:20:29.240 --> 0:20:32.680 connected him than me. So why was this guy Dorsey 0:20:33.160 --> 0:20:36.680 never connected? We could not know. And just because of 0:20:36.800 --> 0:20:40.600 evidence or lock there or because he was not bad Okay, 0:20:41.400 --> 0:20:46.879 but he was at the site. Sous told me that 0:20:47.200 --> 0:20:51.080 every part of Emerson also went. There's the thing. As 0:20:51.119 --> 0:20:53.320 a down woman, I'd be to call it what a 0:20:53.480 --> 0:20:56.720 down will man woman? Okay, as his main woman right 0:20:58.040 --> 0:21:00.800 when he went, she was with him night. She was 0:21:00.920 --> 0:21:04.119 not a defight, which was unusual to the mamas and 0:21:04.200 --> 0:21:07.000 dust the New York for twenty five thirty years. What 0:21:07.119 --> 0:21:10.080 was his profession was he was a hotsplorer with the 0:21:10.160 --> 0:21:14.680 big time, big time Okay, And the word I got 0:21:14.920 --> 0:21:17.879 was the Chisholm was instrument and running him out of 0:21:17.920 --> 0:21:26.400 New York. Sen Chishom Congresswoman Shirley Chisholm was an American politician, educator, 0:21:26.760 --> 0:21:30.840 and author. In nineteen sixty eight, she became the first 0:21:30.920 --> 0:21:35.399 black woman elected to the United States Congress, representing New 0:21:35.480 --> 0:21:40.200 York's twelfth Congressional District for seven terms from nineteen sixty 0:21:40.320 --> 0:21:45.679 nine to three. In the nineteen seventy two United States 0:21:45.760 --> 0:21:49.920 presidential election, she became the first black candidate for a 0:21:50.040 --> 0:21:53.719 major party's nomination for the president of the United States 0:21:54.560 --> 0:21:58.320 and the first woman to run for the Democratic Party's 0:21:58.720 --> 0:22:03.600 presidential nomination. She must not have liked Emerson Dorsey at 0:22:03.640 --> 0:22:07.639 all or any of his criminal activities, because, according to 0:22:07.800 --> 0:22:11.040 j D, she was integral in running him out of 0:22:11.080 --> 0:22:14.800 New York. Here's j D telling me what happened to 0:22:14.880 --> 0:22:20.640 this big time hustler. Is Emerson Dorsey still alive or not? Okay? 0:22:20.680 --> 0:22:23.040 So we got this down woman that isn't at the fight. 0:22:23.160 --> 0:22:25.840 Within the night of the party, and the hustle's noticed that. 0:22:25.920 --> 0:22:30.800 They say Amazon Dialon wasn't with him. That was something 0:22:31.040 --> 0:22:35.119 wrong with that. Amazon had cooled a summer robbery in 0:22:35.240 --> 0:22:38.920 New York though, And they all suspected me, is she 0:22:39.160 --> 0:22:42.080 at the party? I don't know. We know what her 0:22:42.200 --> 0:22:44.520 name is or a nickname or a real name. I've 0:22:44.560 --> 0:22:47.119 never got her name, but this tips off the hustlers 0:22:47.240 --> 0:22:50.040 in retrospecting, I got you and what we're thinking in 0:22:50.200 --> 0:22:52.600 retrospect this is just all something we're trying to put together. 0:22:53.040 --> 0:22:57.800 Is that McKinley, James Houston, Charles and maybe a couple 0:22:57.840 --> 0:23:01.320 of other people were working for Emerson Worth reckon friend 0:23:01.640 --> 0:23:04.520 may not be the right Okay, let me phrase to frighten. Okay, 0:23:05.000 --> 0:23:10.560 I think that Emma friends may have gotten in together 0:23:11.640 --> 0:23:17.600 and organized the robbery, directed the roper set it up, 0:23:17.920 --> 0:23:19.640 but it could have been more of a revenge plain 0:23:19.680 --> 0:23:21.560 but getting right out of who yea, but who would 0:23:21.560 --> 0:23:24.760 he be getting revenge on the New York hustlers? The 0:23:24.920 --> 0:23:27.600 body or got you? Okay? I was that rob Okay? 0:23:27.760 --> 0:23:29.800 So he was run out of New York by not 0:23:30.000 --> 0:23:32.280 just one husberd by a bunch of hustlers. Well, I 0:23:32.320 --> 0:23:35.840 think he had leaving New Yorker back and just leaving 0:23:35.880 --> 0:23:38.919 Troye or leaving New Yorker rodegea. He moved in Latta. 0:23:41.840 --> 0:23:44.120 His family lived in a natter so he was here. 0:23:45.119 --> 0:23:47.080 He came in and decided he's going to take over 0:23:47.160 --> 0:23:52.040 the lotary. In the last one of the prime hangouts 0:23:52.160 --> 0:23:55.879 for two or three of the big hustlers was a 0:23:55.960 --> 0:23:59.280 fool room and on the street made from Miss Turner, 0:24:00.240 --> 0:24:03.440 and he had started hanging out there and recruiting to 0:24:04.280 --> 0:24:08.440 young guys to wait for him. He's also drug man. 0:24:09.320 --> 0:24:14.720 Hearing JD thought that Emerson Dorsey had organized some local 0:24:14.800 --> 0:24:18.600 pool hustlers for the robbery, but he had no evidence 0:24:18.680 --> 0:24:22.520 to prove it, and just as the investigation seemed like 0:24:22.600 --> 0:24:26.320 it would fizzle out, he and Joe Amos caught a break. 0:24:27.520 --> 0:24:31.320 Using some information obtain from the streets. 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