WEBVTT - TechStuff Classic: TechStuff Camps Out 0:00:04.400 --> 0:00:07.800 Welcome to tech Stuff, a production from I Heart Radio. 0:00:12.000 --> 0:00:14.560 Hey there, and welcome to tech Stuff. I'm your host, 0:00:14.760 --> 0:00:17.760 Jonathan Strickland. I'm an executive producer with I Heart Radio, 0:00:17.760 --> 0:00:20.319 and I love all things tech and it's time for 0:00:20.320 --> 0:00:24.360 a classic episode. This episode originally published July second, two 0:00:24.400 --> 0:00:30.360 thousand fourteen. It is titled tech Stuff camps Out, which 0:00:30.560 --> 0:00:33.240 I'm sure was metaphorical because I can't remember the last 0:00:33.240 --> 0:00:36.640 time I camped. Doubt. I'm a city boy. But let's 0:00:36.640 --> 0:00:40.920 listen in. I want to find out what our personal 0:00:41.440 --> 0:00:46.239 um opinion is toward camping. Lauren, are you Are you 0:00:46.280 --> 0:00:51.360 someone who would go camping? Uh? No, No, I mean 0:00:51.360 --> 0:00:54.279 basically not. Well, it's okay. I've got some friends who 0:00:54.280 --> 0:00:56.320 are into camping. My roommates are very much into camping, 0:00:56.920 --> 0:01:01.160 and it has been suggested as an extracurricular activity to me, 0:01:01.840 --> 0:01:06.880 and I'm not entirely against it. Uh. If I had 0:01:06.880 --> 0:01:09.680 a certain number of creature comforts, right like, I would 0:01:09.760 --> 0:01:14.520 want to actually be within easy distance of a shower, 0:01:14.560 --> 0:01:16.480 if I was going to be out there within a 0:01:16.520 --> 0:01:18.880 couple for for more than a couple of days, toilet 0:01:19.040 --> 0:01:24.200 would not be round upon really fond of bathrooms in general, 0:01:24.360 --> 0:01:27.759 I like them. I see where you're coming from. Bog Obama. 0:01:27.920 --> 0:01:30.480 On this we are simpatico when it comes to this. 0:01:30.800 --> 0:01:33.360 I have camped in the past. Um, I have gone 0:01:33.400 --> 0:01:36.520 camping before, and I am also I think I've just 0:01:36.560 --> 0:01:40.399 reached a point where where the the joy of it 0:01:40.480 --> 0:01:45.640 is outweighed by the inconvenience and the uncomfortable factor. I 0:01:45.720 --> 0:01:48.320 don't do so well if I sleep on the ground 0:01:48.560 --> 0:01:51.600 these days, I don't move so well. I'm celebrating a 0:01:51.680 --> 0:01:54.960 birthday today as we're recording this podcast. At the age 0:01:55.000 --> 0:01:57.720 i'm at, I don't bounce back the way I used to. 0:01:58.200 --> 0:02:01.920 But hey, happy birthday, thank you, thank you. No, I 0:02:01.960 --> 0:02:04.080 know you're not on Mike, but I'm gonna I'm gonna ask, 0:02:04.120 --> 0:02:11.080 are you are. Do you enjoy going camping? Noel says 0:02:11.160 --> 0:02:14.760 he has not been camping since Cub Scouts, so yeah, 0:02:14.800 --> 0:02:20.079 we're um, we're experts on the subject. Obviously he has 0:02:20.120 --> 0:02:23.720 stayed in a yurt. Uh, that's fantastic. I once helped 0:02:23.800 --> 0:02:26.680 put up a yurt, which by the way, is quite 0:02:26.880 --> 0:02:29.400 the effort. Uh. I used to be part of the 0:02:29.440 --> 0:02:34.440 Society of Creative Anachronism, the scar there's yurts of plenty, 0:02:34.480 --> 0:02:37.760 but yeah, and generally don't really do well outside. I mean, yeah, 0:02:37.880 --> 0:02:41.959 we're we are creatures that prefer the air conditioning, the 0:02:42.280 --> 0:02:45.519 shelter from the sun. I'm kind of cave dwelling. I 0:02:45.560 --> 0:02:47.640 mean I'm even a little bit translucent like some of 0:02:47.680 --> 0:02:50.880 those like deep sea shrimp. Right. So yeah, so so, 0:02:51.120 --> 0:02:55.200 but we can appreciate why people would want to go camping. 0:02:55.320 --> 0:02:58.160 Oh yes, nature is beautiful and the idea of camping 0:02:58.200 --> 0:03:01.000 is something that really appeals to me. It's just the reality. 0:03:01.520 --> 0:03:04.600 And also, to be fair, we all are living in 0:03:04.600 --> 0:03:07.400 in Georgia, which tends to get very hot and humid 0:03:07.400 --> 0:03:10.360 in the summer. That's like your your prime camping season, 0:03:10.960 --> 0:03:14.240 and it could be really hard to deal with. Yeah. 0:03:14.720 --> 0:03:18.399 But but anyway, that being said, we wanted to talk 0:03:18.440 --> 0:03:20.560 about camping, look at some of the gear, and talk 0:03:20.600 --> 0:03:24.160 about even just the history of camping itself, because it's 0:03:24.160 --> 0:03:27.960 not that old of recreational activity when you talk about 0:03:28.000 --> 0:03:30.679 something that's really widespread, I mean there always have been 0:03:31.000 --> 0:03:35.520 adventurers and outdoorsmen and outdoors women if you prefer, who 0:03:35.920 --> 0:03:40.040 have love to experience nature in its most primitive forms. 0:03:40.520 --> 0:03:44.200 But you know, as as a recreational activity that was widespread. 0:03:44.240 --> 0:03:47.640 It's it's pretty new. Well sure, because people didn't really 0:03:47.680 --> 0:03:51.760 widely live in cities until the Industrial Revolution circle than 0:03:51.920 --> 0:03:54.960 nineteen twenties here in the United States, right, So, yeah, 0:03:55.040 --> 0:03:56.920 you've got all these people who are already living out 0:03:56.960 --> 0:03:59.480 out in rural areas. They that was kind of their 0:03:59.680 --> 0:04:02.920 every days. You can already see the stars. Yeah, but 0:04:03.000 --> 0:04:05.480 once you had people moving on moss into the cities, 0:04:05.520 --> 0:04:06.800 you had a lot of folks say, you know, I 0:04:06.840 --> 0:04:09.200 kind of miss being able to commune with nature and 0:04:09.240 --> 0:04:13.160 to have that experience. And then once the automobile came along, 0:04:13.520 --> 0:04:16.560 this became an ability for people to travel great distances 0:04:16.560 --> 0:04:18.719 in a short amount of time and made it possible 0:04:19.000 --> 0:04:20.960 for them to do things like plan a trip for 0:04:21.000 --> 0:04:24.359 a weekend or a week So that's when we started 0:04:24.400 --> 0:04:26.919 seeing camping come into fashion. In fact, there were a 0:04:26.920 --> 0:04:31.160 couple of pretty famous folks who were you know, they 0:04:31.160 --> 0:04:34.160 were responsible for a lot of the technological development that 0:04:34.240 --> 0:04:38.320 we enjoy today, people like Henry Ford and Thomas Edison 0:04:38.360 --> 0:04:43.000 who reportedly very much enjoyed going camping. So, you know, 0:04:43.080 --> 0:04:45.520 it does have its connection to technology. I know a 0:04:45.520 --> 0:04:47.800 lot of people when they first hear this are going 0:04:47.839 --> 0:04:50.920 to say, what does camping have to do with tech? Well, 0:04:51.120 --> 0:04:55.320 part of it is that the industry exists because of technology, right. 0:04:55.560 --> 0:04:58.440 And another bit of technology that has led to camping 0:04:58.480 --> 0:05:01.680 being widespread is the aiway system. That's true. Once the 0:05:01.720 --> 0:05:05.760 interstates were established, and that really is part of tech. 0:05:05.800 --> 0:05:07.960 It took a lot of technology just to make that happen. 0:05:08.520 --> 0:05:10.760 But once that was established, it meant that people could 0:05:10.760 --> 0:05:14.719 get to really remote places, including places like national parks 0:05:14.720 --> 0:05:18.880 where historic landmarks are or natural landmarks were. And then 0:05:19.000 --> 0:05:23.400 you started having these parks established official campgrounds so people 0:05:23.400 --> 0:05:27.039 could come out and enjoy that that park. So we 0:05:27.160 --> 0:05:30.200 really saw it take off, and you know, the nineteen 0:05:30.200 --> 0:05:34.320 fifties was like a camping boon where it went bonkers. 0:05:34.440 --> 0:05:37.200 And now these days around forty seven million people in 0:05:37.200 --> 0:05:40.080 the United States go camping every year. The rest of 0:05:40.120 --> 0:05:42.279 us know better. Is what I put in my notes. 0:05:42.839 --> 0:05:45.520 Um yeah, I said, my ideal camping situation as a 0:05:45.560 --> 0:05:48.360 hotel room with room service. That's my favorite kind of 0:05:48.360 --> 0:05:52.360 camp My ideal camping situation is not camping, because that's 0:05:52.440 --> 0:05:56.960 really annoying. In first person shooters, it's a legitimate strategy, 0:05:57.360 --> 0:06:00.240 all right. So we wanted to start off by talking 0:06:00.360 --> 0:06:04.599 about tents um. You know, it's one of those things 0:06:04.640 --> 0:06:08.080 that is a basic need in camping. You need something 0:06:08.120 --> 0:06:11.000 to help keep the elements off of you too, maybe 0:06:11.040 --> 0:06:14.320 protect you either from anything from rain and storms to 0:06:14.600 --> 0:06:17.839 just the bugs in the area, that kind of thing. 0:06:18.400 --> 0:06:22.200 And basically, you know, they haven't changed a whole lot 0:06:22.600 --> 0:06:26.320 since we started having a whole industry. I mean, anything 0:06:26.320 --> 0:06:29.760 with a basic pole structure and some kind of fabric 0:06:29.800 --> 0:06:33.200 to be stretched over that structure, and maybe some lines 0:06:33.320 --> 0:06:36.039 that secure the poles to the ground so that it 0:06:36.040 --> 0:06:38.719 gives it that stability, some kind of spike to help 0:06:38.760 --> 0:06:41.760 secure it exactly. Yeah, so we know these are basically yeah, 0:06:41.760 --> 0:06:45.680 you're basic dome tents. You're a frames walled tents. The 0:06:45.680 --> 0:06:47.920 walled tents, by the way, look pretty much like a house. 0:06:48.040 --> 0:06:51.160 But intent to form these are all you know, basics, 0:06:51.400 --> 0:06:53.839 and you have those poles to give the rigidity and 0:06:53.920 --> 0:06:57.520 the lines to provide the stability. But we have actually 0:06:57.560 --> 0:07:01.760 seen some development intent techno oology over the past to 0:07:02.160 --> 0:07:05.960 really advance things. One of them is just making them lighter. Yeah. 0:07:06.000 --> 0:07:08.520 Materials science is a huge part of the technology that 0:07:08.520 --> 0:07:10.760 we're going to be talking about today, right, and if 0:07:10.800 --> 0:07:13.440 you are someone who likes to go camping, particularly someone 0:07:13.440 --> 0:07:15.640 who wants to go hiking a good distance and then 0:07:15.640 --> 0:07:19.240 set up a camp, having your gear not way too 0:07:19.360 --> 0:07:21.800 much is a huge issue. I mean, you don't sure 0:07:22.080 --> 0:07:23.840 being able to replace the weight that you would have 0:07:23.840 --> 0:07:27.040 had to devote to a tent with tasty snacks. Yes, yes, 0:07:27.320 --> 0:07:29.440 because you know some of us are not so uh 0:07:29.880 --> 0:07:33.400 so proficient at gathering food in the wild or are 0:07:33.480 --> 0:07:35.520 unwilling to eat their weight in m r e s. 0:07:35.720 --> 0:07:40.040 I have yet to find fruit roll ups growing just freely, 0:07:40.200 --> 0:07:42.680 so I have to carry them with me. Uh these 0:07:42.720 --> 0:07:45.960 are important important things in my mind. So yeah, this 0:07:46.080 --> 0:07:50.040 idea of developing lighter material. There's some uh kind of 0:07:50.040 --> 0:07:55.160 a trademarked material right called cuber Cuban sorry, Cuban fiber. 0:07:55.400 --> 0:07:59.080 See you be eaten, not Cuban as in cuban peat 0:08:00.000 --> 0:08:02.960 of that guy. Right. It's the brand name of this 0:08:03.040 --> 0:08:06.480 type of non woven fabric, meaning that the stuff is 0:08:06.560 --> 0:08:09.680 made from layers of plastic filaments that are bonded together 0:08:09.760 --> 0:08:12.760 and then coated. It can be really light and thin 0:08:12.840 --> 0:08:17.360 and strong, especially compared with traditional woven fabrics. Even lightweight 0:08:17.400 --> 0:08:21.320 plastic ones like say nylon or polys. Yeah. Yeah, and 0:08:21.360 --> 0:08:24.280 then you can also find ultra light tents that use 0:08:24.400 --> 0:08:27.640 carbon fiber for the polls that you put through it. 0:08:27.720 --> 0:08:30.760 So anyone who listened to our carbon Fiber podcast, you know, 0:08:30.880 --> 0:08:34.080 one of the things about carbon fiber reinforced material is 0:08:34.120 --> 0:08:37.319 that it's really really light. So again you cut down 0:08:37.320 --> 0:08:39.240 on that weight. You can find some of these two 0:08:39.280 --> 0:08:42.560 person tents that weigh less than two pounds total with 0:08:42.600 --> 0:08:44.960 the poles included. Yeah, I mean this is this is 0:08:44.960 --> 0:08:47.199 pretty light when you think of this is where I'm 0:08:47.240 --> 0:08:51.120 going to be sleeping tonight. Now. Granted, they also tend 0:08:51.120 --> 0:08:54.000 to be rather expensive, the ones that are male this 0:08:54.080 --> 0:08:56.480 material anyway, Like the ones I was looking at they 0:08:56.480 --> 0:08:59.320 were between fifteen hundred and two thousand dollars. That's a 0:08:59.360 --> 0:09:02.439 lot of money for a two person tent. Yeah, I 0:09:02.480 --> 0:09:05.600 mean there's some serious camping hobbyists out there, sure, Yeah, 0:09:05.640 --> 0:09:08.280 there's some who who have the money to spend on 0:09:08.320 --> 0:09:11.880 their hobby like that. There are other ultra lightweight tents 0:09:11.960 --> 0:09:14.319 that are not nearly that expensive. Most of them are 0:09:14.440 --> 0:09:17.960 using other types of material, or they might be slightly smaller, 0:09:18.080 --> 0:09:19.640 like you might be able to fit two people in it, 0:09:19.679 --> 0:09:23.360 but you better be really good friends, because you're gonna 0:09:23.360 --> 0:09:26.880 be shoulder to shoulder inside that tent, particularly if you're 0:09:26.880 --> 0:09:31.000 built like I am. But at any rate, uh, it's 0:09:31.040 --> 0:09:33.040 it's you know, That's one of the things we looked 0:09:33.040 --> 0:09:36.839 at was just the idea of creating material science that 0:09:36.880 --> 0:09:41.480 will allow you to carry more stuff. Now, that's not 0:09:41.520 --> 0:09:44.800 the only kind of advanced tent we looked at. Yeah, 0:09:44.840 --> 0:09:47.880 the next one on our list is inflatable tents. And 0:09:47.960 --> 0:09:50.040 to me, this sounds like you're bringing a bouncy house 0:09:50.040 --> 0:09:53.199 out into nature. If only that were the case, I 0:09:53.960 --> 0:09:56.920 can just imagine a bear doing somersaults in the air, 0:09:57.640 --> 0:09:59.800 being super happy. It's so cute, except for the part 0:09:59.800 --> 0:10:03.400 where bears are jerks. Bears can be jerks, yes, um, 0:10:03.440 --> 0:10:06.280 this is true, but they to be fair, humans can 0:10:06.360 --> 0:10:08.959 be pretty big jerks. But no, that we don't eat 0:10:08.960 --> 0:10:13.440 our prey from the feet first, that the meat stays fresh, No, no, uh, 0:10:14.000 --> 0:10:18.440 we we find far more insidious ways. But any at 0:10:18.480 --> 0:10:22.079 any rate, Uh, the inflatable tents in this case are 0:10:22.120 --> 0:10:24.600 not like big domes that you just you know, you 0:10:24.640 --> 0:10:27.160 pull a cord and then suddenly it goes and then 0:10:27.200 --> 0:10:30.800 you've got an iglue it's not like that. Instead, it's 0:10:30.840 --> 0:10:33.920 a a tent that has a frame, a grid like 0:10:34.160 --> 0:10:38.160 structure that is made up of inflated inflatable tubes. You 0:10:38.280 --> 0:10:40.480 use a pump, usually a hand pump or foot pump 0:10:40.880 --> 0:10:43.800 to pump it up and then you've got the Once 0:10:43.800 --> 0:10:45.960 you've got the frame pumped up, it holds up the 0:10:46.000 --> 0:10:49.160 rest of the tent. So so those inflatable tubes take 0:10:49.360 --> 0:10:52.600 the take the role of the poles that you would 0:10:52.640 --> 0:10:56.200 usually use in a normal tent. Now, the one I 0:10:56.200 --> 0:10:59.120 was looking at specifically was one called the Cave, which 0:10:59.160 --> 0:11:01.520 is designed by Time Planet. They have since come out 0:11:01.559 --> 0:11:05.160 with a newer version called the Wedge uh, and these 0:11:05.240 --> 0:11:08.880 are pretty cool. They're supposedly tested to withstand winds of 0:11:09.000 --> 0:11:12.680 up to seventy five miles per hour, which is pretty gusty. 0:11:12.800 --> 0:11:14.960 I imagine they also need to be secured to the 0:11:14.960 --> 0:11:18.360 ground or else they go flying. I would think. So 0:11:18.480 --> 0:11:21.280 it could be well, the tent is safe, but it's 0:11:21.320 --> 0:11:24.320 also four miles away from where we put it. Um 0:11:24.400 --> 0:11:27.839 that would be the problem. Super Neat the other one 0:11:27.880 --> 0:11:31.960 I liked a lot, whereas one called the Cocoon Tree Tent. 0:11:32.240 --> 0:11:34.480 To get a chance to see this, yeah, Yeah, there's 0:11:34.480 --> 0:11:36.360 there's a couple that we're going to talk about here 0:11:36.480 --> 0:11:39.240 that are meant to keep you up off of the 0:11:39.280 --> 0:11:42.280 ground while you're sleeping, which I'm in favor of. If 0:11:42.320 --> 0:11:44.560 anyone has ever had to sleep on the ground, even 0:11:44.679 --> 0:11:48.720 using like a foam pad between you and the ground, 0:11:49.160 --> 0:11:51.280 not pleasant. Yeah, these these things are sort of like 0:11:51.320 --> 0:11:54.920 an an advanced protective hammock. Yeah, you can think of 0:11:54.960 --> 0:11:58.199 it as the cocoon tree. One looks like a little 0:11:58.440 --> 0:12:02.680 globe a sphere, and it has twelve points around the 0:12:02.720 --> 0:12:04.880 circumference of the sphere, like you know, if you were 0:12:04.920 --> 0:12:06.840 to be able to divide it directly in half right 0:12:06.840 --> 0:12:09.520 around that line. Uh. Those twelve points are where you 0:12:09.520 --> 0:12:13.760 can secure it to various anchor points, usually trees. So 0:12:14.000 --> 0:12:17.679 six of those anchor points would give it the suspension, 0:12:17.920 --> 0:12:19.640 as in it would actually hold it above the ground. 0:12:19.679 --> 0:12:21.959 The other six are what allow it to have some 0:12:22.280 --> 0:12:25.440 lateral stability, meaning it's not gonna flippy floppy left or right, 0:12:25.440 --> 0:12:27.160 because obviously when you get in and out, you don't 0:12:27.200 --> 0:12:30.160 want it to suddenly tilt and then everything comes tumbling. Yeah. Yeah, 0:12:30.160 --> 0:12:31.640 so you want to connect it both to the trees 0:12:31.679 --> 0:12:33.760 and to the ground below. Well, it's mostly to the trees, 0:12:33.800 --> 0:12:35.880 but it's it's to the trees in different points, so 0:12:35.920 --> 0:12:37.320 that you just kind of it's kind of like a 0:12:37.320 --> 0:12:40.160 spider web in that sense. And you can also get 0:12:40.240 --> 0:12:42.160 in fact a net that goes under it in case 0:12:42.200 --> 0:12:45.400 you are a little worried about your securing abilities. Um, 0:12:45.480 --> 0:12:48.000 and you don't actually have to have it suspended. I 0:12:48.080 --> 0:12:50.559 have seen other versions where you could have a little 0:12:50.559 --> 0:12:53.800 tripod legs that would hold it above the ground because 0:12:54.080 --> 0:12:55.960 you can't set it directly on the ground or would 0:12:55.960 --> 0:12:58.280 start rolling, and that could be important, Like if you 0:12:58.320 --> 0:13:00.800 are a restless sleeper and you pass in turn a lot, 0:13:00.840 --> 0:13:02.599 you could end up in another state. Yeah, that's a 0:13:02.640 --> 0:13:08.000 hamster ball situation. I mean it has it has its charms, 0:13:08.200 --> 0:13:11.160 but probably not great for camping. But now this thing 0:13:11.280 --> 0:13:13.280 is really cool. If you guys haven't seen it, look 0:13:13.360 --> 0:13:17.280 up cocoon tree tent. It looks really neat. Uh it's 0:13:17.440 --> 0:13:20.160 not light. It weighs sixty ms, which is about a 0:13:20.200 --> 0:13:23.440 hundred thirty two pounds, so it's really heavy. But it's 0:13:23.440 --> 0:13:26.120 also supposed to be really sturdy. It's supposedly can support 0:13:26.200 --> 0:13:29.960 up to two tons. The frame can not the fabric 0:13:30.000 --> 0:13:32.520 obviously that would be different. So the frame itself is 0:13:32.559 --> 0:13:34.800 built so and it's made out of aluminum, so it's 0:13:34.800 --> 0:13:37.480 you know, super sturdy stuff. And this has really meant 0:13:37.520 --> 0:13:42.400 more to put into a location, secure it in a location, 0:13:42.800 --> 0:13:44.640 and then kind of leave it there for a while, 0:13:44.720 --> 0:13:46.360 like you can use it over and over and over 0:13:46.400 --> 0:13:48.520 again over the course of a few months before you 0:13:48.520 --> 0:13:50.440 take it down. All Right, you probably wouldn't want to 0:13:50.520 --> 0:13:53.559 go to the trouble of setting something that sturdy up 0:13:53.600 --> 0:13:55.920 for a weekend trip. Yeah, it would be. It would 0:13:55.960 --> 0:13:58.320 be carrying a lot of weight, and I'm sure it 0:13:58.400 --> 0:14:00.559 takes a long time to set. I mean, if you're 0:14:00.600 --> 0:14:03.040 if you're securing this well above the ground so that 0:14:03.120 --> 0:14:05.240 you have kind of like this canopy view around you, 0:14:05.679 --> 0:14:07.920 then that means you have to climb that far up 0:14:07.960 --> 0:14:11.319 each anchor point before you could even start using this. 0:14:11.440 --> 0:14:14.160 And so I imagine that this is this is more 0:14:14.160 --> 0:14:16.720 of a long term kind of project. The tent is 0:14:16.800 --> 0:14:19.960 three meters in diameter, which is just under ten feet, 0:14:20.520 --> 0:14:24.160 and you can also, according to the website, outfit it 0:14:24.160 --> 0:14:27.720 with cooling or heating elements for climate control for extreme 0:14:27.800 --> 0:14:32.120 camping conditions. Uh as you might imagine this is the 0:14:32.240 --> 0:14:35.160 sort of tent that people who have quite a bit 0:14:35.200 --> 0:14:37.640 of money to spare would go into. This is not 0:14:37.760 --> 0:14:40.600 something that's going to be cheap, but I love the 0:14:40.640 --> 0:14:42.480 design of it just because it was really kind of 0:14:42.560 --> 0:14:45.440 unusual and that's why it appealed to me. And we'll 0:14:45.480 --> 0:14:47.880 try and share a link to the website when this 0:14:48.080 --> 0:14:49.760 podcast goes live, so you guys can take a look 0:14:49.760 --> 0:14:52.600 if you haven't looked at it already. But yeah, pretty 0:14:52.600 --> 0:14:55.960 deep stuff. Then if you wanted to spend slightly less money, 0:14:56.120 --> 0:14:59.160 have a little have a different way of having kind 0:14:59.160 --> 0:15:02.720 of like a hammock style tent. There's another company called 0:15:02.880 --> 0:15:12.000 tent Stiles Tree Tents, Tent Stile. It's cute anyway. There. 0:15:12.080 --> 0:15:14.360 I don't think you're allowed to disapprove of other people's putts. 0:15:15.120 --> 0:15:18.320 That's I just said. I didn't make it um. Yeah, no, 0:15:18.400 --> 0:15:21.440 it's it's a slightly less complicated these They look to 0:15:21.480 --> 0:15:23.760 me like they would anchor at three points, so the 0:15:23.800 --> 0:15:26.800 base looks more or less sort of triangular and u 0:15:27.000 --> 0:15:29.320 and it makes sense because they actually the company says 0:15:29.360 --> 0:15:31.040 that if you buy one of their tents, they'll go 0:15:31.040 --> 0:15:35.040 out and plant three trees. Yeah, so that would that 0:15:35.040 --> 0:15:37.280 would to me that would correspond to the three anchor 0:15:37.320 --> 0:15:39.200 points that you would need, but same sort of thing. 0:15:39.320 --> 0:15:42.520 Use use chords to anchor each point of the tent 0:15:42.600 --> 0:15:44.680 to a different tree. You keep it nice and tense, 0:15:45.320 --> 0:15:47.320 and then you can get in and out of the 0:15:47.320 --> 0:15:50.040 tent either through a front door or there's actually a 0:15:50.320 --> 0:15:52.760 hatch like panel that you can open up from the bottom, 0:15:53.240 --> 0:15:56.160 which obviously you want to secure as much as possible 0:15:56.160 --> 0:16:00.320 before we go to sleep. You might wake up during 0:16:00.320 --> 0:16:04.080 a twelve foot fall to the ground or something. But um, 0:16:04.080 --> 0:16:07.200 this one is particularly good for people who want to 0:16:07.200 --> 0:16:10.280 do star gazing or are able to secure it at 0:16:10.360 --> 0:16:13.560 some really picturesque spot because instead of it being like 0:16:13.600 --> 0:16:19.080 a canvas or or opaque uh canopy, it's mesh, so 0:16:19.120 --> 0:16:21.400 it's meant for you to have a view of the outdoors. 0:16:21.680 --> 0:16:25.840 Also means that don't be too picky about privacy issues well, 0:16:25.880 --> 0:16:28.040 and and also probably that you want to go during 0:16:28.400 --> 0:16:31.560 good weather. Yes, yeah, if it's raining, you're probably gonna 0:16:31.600 --> 0:16:34.720 have a pretty miserable time of it. But it was 0:16:34.760 --> 0:16:36.720 another one of those that I thought was pretty cool. 0:16:36.760 --> 0:16:39.000 There are a couple of different models that they have available, 0:16:39.040 --> 0:16:42.360 and they are less expensive than the Cocoon Tree um 0:16:42.840 --> 0:16:45.640 camping tents and also easier to set up. You know, 0:16:45.760 --> 0:16:47.560 I'm sure it takes two or three people to put 0:16:47.560 --> 0:16:51.560 one of these up efficiently, but it's not as it's 0:16:51.560 --> 0:16:54.560 not as heavy or bulky as the Cocoon Tree version. 0:16:55.640 --> 0:16:58.560 We have more to say about camping out, I'm guessing, 0:16:59.440 --> 0:17:08.960 but first let's take a quick break. What if you're 0:17:09.040 --> 0:17:12.040 like me, Lauren, What if you are someone who cannot 0:17:12.080 --> 0:17:16.080 survive for more than you know, five or six hours 0:17:16.119 --> 0:17:19.159 at most on a good day without checking one of 0:17:19.160 --> 0:17:22.320 my numerous mobile devices. Well, this is getting much easier 0:17:22.359 --> 0:17:25.280 to do out in the wilds. And one of those 0:17:25.320 --> 0:17:30.200 reasons is solar powered device chargers. Yeah, like including your tent. 0:17:30.280 --> 0:17:32.760 Your tent can be solar powered. Yeah, you can get 0:17:32.800 --> 0:17:35.199 a solar powered tent now. Grant the tent itself is 0:17:35.200 --> 0:17:38.480 not necessarily doing anything with that solar power. It may 0:17:38.560 --> 0:17:40.879 just have a battery pack that allows you to charge 0:17:40.880 --> 0:17:45.640 your devices from the energy that's collected through the solar panels. So, yeah, 0:17:45.640 --> 0:17:47.440 there are tents out there right now that you can 0:17:47.440 --> 0:17:50.600 go out and buy have solar panels incorporated into them 0:17:50.600 --> 0:17:52.399 in some way. There are others that are supposed to 0:17:52.440 --> 0:17:54.720 be hitting the market literally any day now. Like there 0:17:54.760 --> 0:17:58.040 was one that I saw that had originally been scheduled 0:17:58.080 --> 0:18:01.000 to to come out on the market sp two thousand fourteen, 0:18:01.000 --> 0:18:02.720 but as far as I can tell, it hasn't actually 0:18:02.760 --> 0:18:06.000 come out yet. Then there are some up some concepts, 0:18:06.119 --> 0:18:09.200 they're not actually products that you can buy. The Orange 0:18:09.200 --> 0:18:11.240 Solar tent is the one that I saw pop up 0:18:11.240 --> 0:18:13.320 over and over. It was a really cool looking design. 0:18:14.119 --> 0:18:16.760 I had very swoopy kind of lines to it, so 0:18:16.840 --> 0:18:19.119 it looked like, you know, this is the tune of 0:18:19.200 --> 0:18:22.800 the future. See it has swoopy lines. And also the 0:18:22.880 --> 0:18:25.399 canopy it had over the top of the tent, like 0:18:25.400 --> 0:18:27.359 it had a fabric canopy. And then on top of 0:18:27.400 --> 0:18:30.160 that it had these these panels that had the solar 0:18:30.200 --> 0:18:32.199 panels on these like it made it look like it 0:18:32.240 --> 0:18:35.280 was some sort of a fit or or Arthur pod 0:18:35.359 --> 0:18:39.479 of some sort of like a carapace a shell in 0:18:39.480 --> 0:18:42.520 other words. So it was really neat looking. And it 0:18:42.560 --> 0:18:44.840 had you know, lights that would light up at night 0:18:45.000 --> 0:18:47.560 and this but this was all artists rendering, and it 0:18:47.640 --> 0:18:50.560 was essentially saying, this is what you could do if 0:18:50.600 --> 0:18:52.440 you were to build this thing. And they even had 0:18:52.480 --> 0:18:55.600 like a panel that was on the side of the 0:18:55.640 --> 0:18:58.639 tent the inside of the tent where you could put 0:18:58.760 --> 0:19:02.000 a or mobile devices to charge. And it even had 0:19:02.000 --> 0:19:04.919 a little like touch screen interface of some sort, so 0:19:05.040 --> 0:19:08.080 really kind of cool. But again it was all a 0:19:08.119 --> 0:19:11.560 concept pro type currently non existent. Yeah, the stuff that 0:19:11.600 --> 0:19:15.000 does exist a lot more modest. Right, We're talking about 0:19:15.040 --> 0:19:19.400 solar panels that can, after several hours of being exposed 0:19:19.440 --> 0:19:21.840 to a good amount of sunlight, can charge a simple 0:19:21.840 --> 0:19:25.119 battery pack which then could charge your electronics. So if 0:19:25.160 --> 0:19:26.879 you're going to be setting up your tent in a 0:19:26.920 --> 0:19:29.199 sunny area, this is going to be pretty useful. It's 0:19:29.600 --> 0:19:32.600 provide you the maximum amount of surface coverage probably of 0:19:32.680 --> 0:19:36.359 any of your other gear to provide solar Yeah, because 0:19:36.359 --> 0:19:38.480 you're not like things like if you have and we'll 0:19:38.520 --> 0:19:41.720 talk about it in some other you know, gadgets that 0:19:41.840 --> 0:19:44.159 fall into the same kind of category. But if you 0:19:44.200 --> 0:19:47.520 have other gear that's maybe portable, that has solar panels 0:19:47.680 --> 0:19:50.080 incorporated into them, you may or may not be leaving 0:19:50.119 --> 0:19:52.120 it out all the time, right, you may you may 0:19:52.200 --> 0:19:54.960 need it for something else, Whereas your tent kind of 0:19:55.000 --> 0:19:58.040 stays there once you pitch it, so that makes it, 0:19:58.240 --> 0:20:01.840 you know, attractive. How however, it also means that you 0:20:01.960 --> 0:20:04.280 have to have that tent in that sunny area. If 0:20:04.320 --> 0:20:06.239 you have it in a shady area, you're not going 0:20:06.280 --> 0:20:08.960 to get as much sunlight. Um. And if you do 0:20:09.040 --> 0:20:11.280 have it in a sunny area, if you live someplace 0:20:11.359 --> 0:20:13.239 like we do, you have to be prepared for that 0:20:13.320 --> 0:20:16.119 tent to be rather toasty when you're ready to climb 0:20:16.119 --> 0:20:18.199 in at the end of the day, which could be 0:20:18.280 --> 0:20:22.440 perfectly nice in colder colder. Yeah, I think you could. 0:20:22.480 --> 0:20:24.840 One thing I would I mean, if I were designing 0:20:24.920 --> 0:20:27.280 one of these solar powered tents, one of the things 0:20:27.280 --> 0:20:31.720 I would design is a very simple low power fan 0:20:32.359 --> 0:20:35.080 that could actually vent hot air out of the tent 0:20:35.160 --> 0:20:39.280 while the solar panel is active, so some of the 0:20:39.359 --> 0:20:41.600 electricity can go to charging a battery pack, some of 0:20:41.600 --> 0:20:43.639 it goes to running this little fan. It's kind of 0:20:43.680 --> 0:20:46.280 like I'm sure you've seen them for cars, where you 0:20:46.280 --> 0:20:48.639 can have these little solar panel things where it runs 0:20:48.960 --> 0:20:51.439 the little fan to blow. In fact, I think we 0:20:51.480 --> 0:20:54.680 talked about a car that does this, so possibly on 0:20:55.080 --> 0:20:58.360 forward thinking it might be we do so many shows now, 0:20:58.760 --> 0:21:00.520 but yes, we have definitely talked about a car that 0:21:00.520 --> 0:21:03.320 has a similar concept to At any rate, let's talk 0:21:03.320 --> 0:21:06.600 a little bit more about other devices that campers use 0:21:06.640 --> 0:21:10.960 in order to regulate body temperature, okay, or I mean, 0:21:11.080 --> 0:21:14.040 you know, temperature in general, but sure, mostly body temperature. 0:21:14.080 --> 0:21:17.480 So I'm assuming we're moving away from tents and into 0:21:17.520 --> 0:21:22.040