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Speaker 1: Welcome to tech Stuff, a production from I Heart Radio.

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Speaker 1: Hey there, and welcome to tech Stuff. I'm your host,

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Speaker 1: Jonathan Strickland. I'm an executive producer with I Heart Radio,

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Speaker 1: and I love all things tech and it's time for

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Speaker 1: a classic episode. This episode originally published July second, two

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Speaker 1: thousand fourteen. It is titled tech Stuff camps Out, which

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Speaker 1: I'm sure was metaphorical because I can't remember the last

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Speaker 1: time I camped. Doubt. I'm a city boy. But let's

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Speaker 1: listen in. I want to find out what our personal

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Speaker 1: um opinion is toward camping. Lauren, are you Are you

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Speaker 1: someone who would go camping? Uh? No, No, I mean

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Speaker 1: basically not. Well, it's okay. I've got some friends who

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Speaker 1: are into camping. My roommates are very much into camping,

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Speaker 1: and it has been suggested as an extracurricular activity to me,

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Speaker 1: and I'm not entirely against it. Uh. If I had

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Speaker 1: a certain number of creature comforts, right like, I would

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Speaker 1: want to actually be within easy distance of a shower,

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Speaker 1: if I was going to be out there within a

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Speaker 1: couple for for more than a couple of days, toilet

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Speaker 1: would not be round upon really fond of bathrooms in general,

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Speaker 1: I like them. I see where you're coming from. Bog Obama.

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Speaker 1: On this we are simpatico when it comes to this.

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Speaker 1: I have camped in the past. Um, I have gone

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Speaker 1: camping before, and I am also I think I've just

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Speaker 1: reached a point where where the the joy of it

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Speaker 1: is outweighed by the inconvenience and the uncomfortable factor. I

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Speaker 1: don't do so well if I sleep on the ground

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Speaker 1: these days, I don't move so well. I'm celebrating a

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Speaker 1: birthday today as we're recording this podcast. At the age

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Speaker 1: i'm at, I don't bounce back the way I used to.

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Speaker 1: But hey, happy birthday, thank you, thank you. No, I

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Speaker 1: know you're not on Mike, but I'm gonna I'm gonna ask,

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Speaker 1: are you are. Do you enjoy going camping? Noel says

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Speaker 1: he has not been camping since Cub Scouts, so yeah,

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Speaker 1: we're um, we're experts on the subject. Obviously he has

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Speaker 1: stayed in a yurt. Uh, that's fantastic. I once helped

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Speaker 1: put up a yurt, which by the way, is quite

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Speaker 1: the effort. Uh. I used to be part of the

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Speaker 1: Society of Creative Anachronism, the scar there's yurts of plenty,

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Speaker 1: but yeah, and generally don't really do well outside. I mean, yeah,

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Speaker 1: we're we are creatures that prefer the air conditioning, the

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Speaker 1: shelter from the sun. I'm kind of cave dwelling. I

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Speaker 1: mean I'm even a little bit translucent like some of

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Speaker 1: those like deep sea shrimp. Right. So yeah, so so,

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Speaker 1: but we can appreciate why people would want to go camping.

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Speaker 1: Oh yes, nature is beautiful and the idea of camping

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Speaker 1: is something that really appeals to me. It's just the reality.

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Speaker 1: And also, to be fair, we all are living in

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Speaker 1: in Georgia, which tends to get very hot and humid

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Speaker 1: in the summer. That's like your your prime camping season,

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Speaker 1: and it could be really hard to deal with. Yeah.

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Speaker 1: But but anyway, that being said, we wanted to talk

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Speaker 1: about camping, look at some of the gear, and talk

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Speaker 1: about even just the history of camping itself, because it's

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Speaker 1: not that old of recreational activity when you talk about

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Speaker 1: something that's really widespread, I mean there always have been

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Speaker 1: adventurers and outdoorsmen and outdoors women if you prefer, who

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Speaker 1: have love to experience nature in its most primitive forms.

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Speaker 1: But you know, as as a recreational activity that was widespread.

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Speaker 1: It's it's pretty new. Well sure, because people didn't really

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Speaker 1: every days. You can already see the stars. Yeah, but

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Speaker 1: seeing camping come into fashion. In fact, there were a

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Speaker 1: part of it is that the industry exists because of technology, right.

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Speaker 1: And another bit of technology that has led to camping

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Speaker 1: It took a lot of technology just to make that happen.

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Speaker 1: But once that was established, it meant that people could

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Speaker 1: And now these days around forty seven million people in

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Speaker 1: us know better. Is what I put in my notes.

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Speaker 1: Um yeah, I said, my ideal camping situation as a

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Speaker 1: all right. So we wanted to start off by talking

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Speaker 1: that is a basic need in camping. You need something

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Speaker 1: And basically, you know, they haven't changed a whole lot

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Speaker 1: secure it exactly. Yeah, so we know these are basically yeah,

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Speaker 1: you're basic dome tents. You're a frames walled tents. The

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Speaker 1: walled tents, by the way, look pretty much like a house.

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Speaker 1: But intent to form these are all you know, basics,

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Speaker 1: really advance things. One of them is just making them lighter. Yeah.

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Speaker 1: idea of developing lighter material. There's some uh kind of

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Speaker 1: See you be eaten, not Cuban as in cuban peat

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Speaker 1: of that guy. Right. It's the brand name of this

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Speaker 1: type of non woven fabric, meaning that the stuff is

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Speaker 1: So anyone who listened to our carbon Fiber podcast, you know,

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Speaker 1: mean there's some serious camping hobbyists out there, sure, Yeah,

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Speaker 1: where bears are jerks. Bears can be jerks, yes, um,

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Speaker 1: be pretty big jerks. But no, that we don't eat

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Speaker 1: not like big domes that you just you know, you

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Speaker 1: I liked a lot, whereas one called the Cocoon Tree Tent.

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Speaker 1: To get a chance to see this, yeah, Yeah, there's

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Speaker 1: not pleasant. Yeah, these these things are sort of like

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Speaker 1: temperature we can we can say that where a man

431
00:23:03,640 --> 00:23:08,360
Speaker 1: will be comfortable inside this uh sleeping bag, and that

432
00:23:08,400 --> 00:23:11,760
Speaker 1: one is called the lower limit rating. So you usually

433
00:23:11,800 --> 00:23:14,920
Speaker 1: see both ratings on a sleeping bag. So one, the

434
00:23:14,960 --> 00:23:17,159
Speaker 1: comfort level is all right, well, if it's you know,

435
00:23:17,280 --> 00:23:19,080
Speaker 1: thirty five degrees is the comfort level, then it could

436
00:23:19,119 --> 00:23:21,480
Speaker 1: get down to thirty five degrees and your average woman

437
00:23:21,520 --> 00:23:23,480
Speaker 1: is going to be fine sleeping in the sleeping bag.

438
00:23:24,119 --> 00:23:27,119
Speaker 1: At the lower level is nineteen degrees. That says your

439
00:23:27,160 --> 00:23:28,800
Speaker 1: average man is still going to be fine all the

440
00:23:28,840 --> 00:23:31,840
Speaker 1: way down to nineteen a woman maybe feeling very uncomfortable

441
00:23:31,920 --> 00:23:34,720
Speaker 1: or at least a little chilly between those two temperatures.

442
00:23:34,960 --> 00:23:38,159
Speaker 1: But then you also have was called the extreme rating,

443
00:23:38,880 --> 00:23:41,080
Speaker 1: and the extreme rating that's the temperature below which you

444
00:23:41,119 --> 00:23:43,879
Speaker 1: are in serious danger, even if you are inside the

445
00:23:43,880 --> 00:23:47,719
Speaker 1: sleeping bag. Really, it's based upon the lowest temperature a

446
00:23:47,720 --> 00:23:53,159
Speaker 1: woman can endure while inside that sleeping bag before saying

447
00:23:53,640 --> 00:23:56,280
Speaker 1: I'm getting a hotel room call me when this trip

448
00:23:56,400 --> 00:24:01,760
Speaker 1: is over, or getting hypothermia. That would also be another case. Yes,

449
00:24:02,400 --> 00:24:05,800
Speaker 1: So yeah, it's interesting that even though it's a quote

450
00:24:05,840 --> 00:24:09,440
Speaker 1: unquote standard, it's still obviously based on subjectivity. There's not

451
00:24:09,520 --> 00:24:12,840
Speaker 1: like this hard and fast rule of saying, at this

452
00:24:12,920 --> 00:24:15,320
Speaker 1: temperature you're going to be absolutely comfortable. It's more like

453
00:24:15,400 --> 00:24:17,919
Speaker 1: it's more what they call guidelines if you want to

454
00:24:17,960 --> 00:24:22,120
Speaker 1: be all Barbosa about it, but uh, that is, if

455
00:24:22,160 --> 00:24:25,159
Speaker 1: you ever see that a sleeping bag is rated for

456
00:24:25,359 --> 00:24:28,360
Speaker 1: one of these temperatures, that's usually what it means. Most

457
00:24:28,359 --> 00:24:30,320
Speaker 1: of them are going by this standard. Some of them

458
00:24:30,320 --> 00:24:33,159
Speaker 1: may be going by their own kind of you know,

459
00:24:33,440 --> 00:24:36,680
Speaker 1: testing facility and surveys, but it's still basically the same

460
00:24:36,720 --> 00:24:39,760
Speaker 1: thing saying, how what temperature do people still feel comfortable

461
00:24:39,840 --> 00:24:42,560
Speaker 1: while in this sleeping bag? Um. And so you also

462
00:24:42,600 --> 00:24:47,320
Speaker 1: find sleeping bags that are meant for different types of

463
00:24:47,320 --> 00:24:50,280
Speaker 1: of environments. Like there's some that are the higher temperature ones,

464
00:24:50,520 --> 00:24:53,919
Speaker 1: which is usually thirty five degrees fahrenheit or or higher.

465
00:24:54,560 --> 00:24:57,520
Speaker 1: And that would be for things like people who want

466
00:24:57,520 --> 00:25:00,320
Speaker 1: to go camping in the spring and summer months. Then

467
00:25:00,359 --> 00:25:03,240
Speaker 1: you might have the multi purpose sleeping bags that are

468
00:25:03,280 --> 00:25:07,680
Speaker 1: good for between maybe like ten degrees fahrenheit thirty five

469
00:25:07,680 --> 00:25:11,520
Speaker 1: degrees fahrenheit, and that's meant to be you know, a

470
00:25:11,560 --> 00:25:13,800
Speaker 1: little more versatile so that you can camp throughout the year.

471
00:25:14,160 --> 00:25:16,520
Speaker 1: And then you have the cold weather sleeping bags, which

472
00:25:16,520 --> 00:25:19,760
Speaker 1: are usually something between like minus ten degrees fahrenheit to

473
00:25:19,800 --> 00:25:22,919
Speaker 1: ten degrees fahrenheit. UM, and that's meant for it. You know,

474
00:25:22,960 --> 00:25:25,080
Speaker 1: if you happen to be camping like in Minnesota in

475
00:25:25,119 --> 00:25:29,320
Speaker 1: the winter. You know, if you're crazy, Um, some of

476
00:25:29,359 --> 00:25:31,359
Speaker 1: you may be camping in Minnesota in the winter. I

477
00:25:31,359 --> 00:25:33,639
Speaker 1: don't really think you're crazy. I would be crazy to

478
00:25:33,640 --> 00:25:38,199
Speaker 1: do it. But anyway, those are your basic rules more

479
00:25:38,280 --> 00:25:40,640
Speaker 1: or less, so if you're ever looking for them, that's

480
00:25:40,640 --> 00:25:42,520
Speaker 1: what you want to look for. And all of these

481
00:25:42,560 --> 00:25:46,560
Speaker 1: temperature ratings have to do with the well again with

482
00:25:46,640 --> 00:25:49,800
Speaker 1: material signs, with what the shell is made of and

483
00:25:49,800 --> 00:25:53,000
Speaker 1: what the filling is made of. Traditionally it was down

484
00:25:53,160 --> 00:25:56,720
Speaker 1: of various kinds duck in, goose duck and goose feathers,

485
00:25:57,240 --> 00:26:00,320
Speaker 1: and these days a lot of it is plastics. Yeah,

486
00:26:00,520 --> 00:26:02,440
Speaker 1: you get a lot of synthetics, and you get a

487
00:26:02,480 --> 00:26:07,600
Speaker 1: lot of um water resistant or water repellent down. So

488
00:26:07,760 --> 00:26:11,640
Speaker 1: regular down not necessarily water repellent, and that's well, it's

489
00:26:11,640 --> 00:26:15,520
Speaker 1: it's really warm, but it absorbs water like holy woe,

490
00:26:15,640 --> 00:26:18,640
Speaker 1: which means that if you're in a cold situation and

491
00:26:18,920 --> 00:26:22,240
Speaker 1: your down sleeping bag gets wet, it can become very

492
00:26:22,280 --> 00:26:26,000
Speaker 1: dangerous very quickly because it might actually be sapping heat

493
00:26:26,200 --> 00:26:29,560
Speaker 1: away from your body, like you would be worse off

494
00:26:29,960 --> 00:26:31,840
Speaker 1: in it than you would be outside of it. And

495
00:26:31,880 --> 00:26:34,320
Speaker 1: some synthetics are the same way. That's why the water

496
00:26:34,400 --> 00:26:38,720
Speaker 1: repellent down material has been developed and uh and all

497
00:26:38,720 --> 00:26:42,439
Speaker 1: of these are called PHIL in the industry. So if

498
00:26:42,440 --> 00:26:46,240
Speaker 1: you ever see a PHIL power rating on a sleeping bag,

499
00:26:46,680 --> 00:26:51,840
Speaker 1: what that's telling you is essentially how effective the installation

500
00:26:51,960 --> 00:26:54,520
Speaker 1: is at capturing heat. And the way they determine this

501
00:26:54,600 --> 00:26:57,919
Speaker 1: it's kind of cool. It's called loft, I believe. But

502
00:26:57,960 --> 00:27:01,240
Speaker 1: the way they determine is they say how much space

503
00:27:01,960 --> 00:27:05,720
Speaker 1: would one ounce of this installation take? So if we

504
00:27:05,800 --> 00:27:08,159
Speaker 1: if we get an ounce of it and we just

505
00:27:08,359 --> 00:27:12,000
Speaker 1: let it because it's normal volume, how many cubic inches

506
00:27:12,040 --> 00:27:15,800
Speaker 1: does that take up? And the more space it takes up,

507
00:27:16,160 --> 00:27:19,960
Speaker 1: the more efficient uh insulator it is. And the lighter

508
00:27:20,160 --> 00:27:22,479
Speaker 1: your your sleeping bag is gonna because it doesn't need

509
00:27:22,480 --> 00:27:25,800
Speaker 1: as much material to fill it out, all right, So

510
00:27:26,600 --> 00:27:29,240
Speaker 1: the higher the number is, the better off you are.

511
00:27:29,480 --> 00:27:33,440
Speaker 1: So you might see film power numbers and right, well,

512
00:27:33,480 --> 00:27:35,960
Speaker 1: and the lighter and the lighter the sleeping bag will be.

513
00:27:36,359 --> 00:27:39,840
Speaker 1: So a film power number of six hundred is gonna

514
00:27:39,880 --> 00:27:42,280
Speaker 1: be uh that that sleeping bag is gonna be heavier

515
00:27:42,320 --> 00:27:45,159
Speaker 1: than one that's rated at seven, which is gonna be

516
00:27:45,240 --> 00:27:47,640
Speaker 1: heavier than seven fifty or a hander, assuming that you're

517
00:27:47,760 --> 00:27:50,119
Speaker 1: talking about two sleeping bags that have the same type

518
00:27:50,119 --> 00:27:53,240
Speaker 1: of film material in them, because obviously different materials are

519
00:27:53,240 --> 00:27:56,240
Speaker 1: going to weigh different amounts. But yeah, you want to

520
00:27:56,280 --> 00:27:58,760
Speaker 1: have the higher number for it to be lighter, and

521
00:27:58,800 --> 00:28:02,560
Speaker 1: you know these can rated for different temperature ranges as well,

522
00:28:02,960 --> 00:28:05,520
Speaker 1: But that's your general rule about sleeping bags. So most

523
00:28:05,560 --> 00:28:08,000
Speaker 1: of the time when you're hearing about high tech sleeping bags,

524
00:28:08,520 --> 00:28:11,919
Speaker 1: they're usually talking about whatever the insulation material is and

525
00:28:11,960 --> 00:28:14,520
Speaker 1: whatever the exterior material is, and whether or not it's

526
00:28:14,560 --> 00:28:17,840
Speaker 1: water repellent, how good it is it retaining heat. I mean,

527
00:28:17,840 --> 00:28:21,240
Speaker 1: the whole secret here is that you want to separate

528
00:28:21,640 --> 00:28:23,880
Speaker 1: the heat from the inside of the sleeping bag from

529
00:28:23,880 --> 00:28:26,159
Speaker 1: the outer environment. You don't want that heat to be

530
00:28:26,240 --> 00:28:29,600
Speaker 1: leached away. So that's what most of the designs of

531
00:28:29,600 --> 00:28:33,040
Speaker 1: sleeping bags are all meant to prevent. It's really basic tech,

532
00:28:33,359 --> 00:28:39,280
Speaker 1: but it's also really important tech. Alright, what about backpacks?

533
00:28:40,120 --> 00:28:42,000
Speaker 1: You know, those things that you carry all your other

534
00:28:42,040 --> 00:28:44,600
Speaker 1: stuff in. You want them to be a lightweight. I

535
00:28:44,600 --> 00:28:48,440
Speaker 1: guess um it could be cool if they maybe had

536
00:28:48,480 --> 00:28:52,240
Speaker 1: some solar panels on them, because those if you're hiking

537
00:28:52,280 --> 00:28:56,880
Speaker 1: in the sun. I actually used to have a backpack

538
00:28:56,960 --> 00:28:58,920
Speaker 1: the head of solar panel in it. It was not

539
00:28:59,000 --> 00:29:02,320
Speaker 1: a camping backpack. Back The one downside to having a

540
00:29:02,320 --> 00:29:04,440
Speaker 1: solar panel in your backpack is that it does take

541
00:29:04,520 --> 00:29:07,440
Speaker 1: up space because that solar panel. I mean, obviously it

542
00:29:07,440 --> 00:29:09,600
Speaker 1: needs to be connected to something or else that electricity

543
00:29:09,640 --> 00:29:12,280
Speaker 1: is not doing any good. Usually that's a battery pack

544
00:29:12,360 --> 00:29:16,840
Speaker 1: which is one bulky and too heavy her. So there

545
00:29:17,080 --> 00:29:18,960
Speaker 1: is a bit of a you know, that's something you

546
00:29:19,000 --> 00:29:22,880
Speaker 1: gotta you gotta weigh, literally, you need to weigh the

547
00:29:22,920 --> 00:29:25,680
Speaker 1: importance of that element and whether or not you know

548
00:29:25,920 --> 00:29:28,320
Speaker 1: it's really key for you to bring it along. Sure,

549
00:29:28,360 --> 00:29:30,840
Speaker 1: but you know, backpacks are yet again one of those

550
00:29:30,880 --> 00:29:37,280
Speaker 1: material science related things that improvements in the fabric and

551
00:29:37,480 --> 00:29:40,440
Speaker 1: the structure that these guys has let them get lighter

552
00:29:40,440 --> 00:29:43,320
Speaker 1: over the years. Right again, really important when you're hiking.

553
00:29:43,640 --> 00:29:46,160
Speaker 1: So now we're going to talk about the stuff what

554
00:29:46,320 --> 00:29:49,720
Speaker 1: you put into said backpack, Like we wanted to take

555
00:29:49,760 --> 00:29:53,200
Speaker 1: a look at some of the incredible gadgets that you

556
00:29:53,280 --> 00:29:57,320
Speaker 1: could carry with you and because I mean, you know, ultimately,

557
00:29:57,360 --> 00:29:59,840
Speaker 1: when you get down to it, if you're really roughing it,

558
00:30:00,280 --> 00:30:02,800
Speaker 1: you essentially need a place to sleep, a thing to

559
00:30:02,880 --> 00:30:05,480
Speaker 1: sleep in to keep you warm at night, and maybe

560
00:30:05,520 --> 00:30:08,360
Speaker 1: some stuff to help you make a fire. Uh. For

561
00:30:08,400 --> 00:30:10,360
Speaker 1: our friends who want to know how to make a fire,

562
00:30:10,960 --> 00:30:13,320
Speaker 1: we have a treat for you, but that's gonna be

563
00:30:13,360 --> 00:30:16,520
Speaker 1: another podcast. So one of the things we wanted to

564
00:30:16,520 --> 00:30:19,240
Speaker 1: look at was or what are some of the cool

565
00:30:19,320 --> 00:30:22,280
Speaker 1: gadgets that are available today that can make camping a

566
00:30:22,320 --> 00:30:25,680
Speaker 1: lot more comfortable? Yeah, maybe more convenient for those of

567
00:30:25,760 --> 00:30:29,160
Speaker 1: us who just can't let go of our electronic society.

568
00:30:29,200 --> 00:30:32,280
Speaker 1: And I am mainly talking about myself here. And the

569
00:30:32,320 --> 00:30:34,239
Speaker 1: first one I wanted to talk about is one that

570
00:30:34,440 --> 00:30:36,920
Speaker 1: is so cool that I'm tempted to buy one, even

571
00:30:36,960 --> 00:30:40,000
Speaker 1: though I don't think I will ever willingly go camping

572
00:30:40,040 --> 00:30:44,320
Speaker 1: ever again. And it's a camp stove, specifically the one

573
00:30:44,360 --> 00:30:46,360
Speaker 1: I was looking at, and there are different ones, but

574
00:30:46,400 --> 00:30:50,240
Speaker 1: the one that gets repeated multiple times throughout the internet

575
00:30:50,320 --> 00:30:53,800
Speaker 1: is the bio light uh camp stove, And the biolight

576
00:30:53,880 --> 00:30:55,760
Speaker 1: camp stove is cool. It think of it as a

577
00:30:55,760 --> 00:30:57,760
Speaker 1: camp stove where you can you put twigs in it

578
00:30:58,160 --> 00:30:59,800
Speaker 1: and then you light a fire and you use those

579
00:30:59,800 --> 00:31:02,120
Speaker 1: to eggs to help heat the stove, and then you

580
00:31:02,120 --> 00:31:04,320
Speaker 1: can cook things on top of the stove. You can

581
00:31:04,800 --> 00:31:07,880
Speaker 1: get one that has a grill surface and actually grill

582
00:31:07,960 --> 00:31:09,560
Speaker 1: on the very top of it, so it sounds like

583
00:31:09,600 --> 00:31:12,800
Speaker 1: a pretty basic portable grill, except that it also happens

584
00:31:12,840 --> 00:31:16,560
Speaker 1: to have a fan powered generator attached to it so

585
00:31:16,600 --> 00:31:19,960
Speaker 1: that the heat from the fire will turn the fan,

586
00:31:20,440 --> 00:31:24,160
Speaker 1: which will then generate electricity, allowing you to charge electronics

587
00:31:24,600 --> 00:31:27,760
Speaker 1: on your through your stove. I mean not on your stove.

588
00:31:27,760 --> 00:31:31,520
Speaker 1: You wouldn't melt that. That's a terrible idea that you

589
00:31:31,560 --> 00:31:35,160
Speaker 1: can explode. You can connect a USB cord to this

590
00:31:35,880 --> 00:31:41,720
Speaker 1: stoves power outlet and actually charge your your electronics while

591
00:31:41,800 --> 00:31:44,480
Speaker 1: you cook. And it takes about four and a half

592
00:31:44,560 --> 00:31:47,760
Speaker 1: minutes from what I read to boil a pot of water,

593
00:31:48,440 --> 00:31:51,120
Speaker 1: and you get about maybe twenty minutes at charging in

594
00:31:51,160 --> 00:31:54,520
Speaker 1: a typical cooking scenario. So it's not like you get

595
00:31:54,920 --> 00:31:58,040
Speaker 1: it's not like you're gonna reach out your entire you know, phone,

596
00:31:58,520 --> 00:32:01,480
Speaker 1: but it will extend your battery going a little longer.

597
00:32:01,520 --> 00:32:03,360
Speaker 1: And you know, if you're use if you're supplementing that

598
00:32:03,400 --> 00:32:06,680
Speaker 1: with other means to keep your stuff, uh supplied with

599
00:32:06,720 --> 00:32:09,600
Speaker 1: a charge, and every little bit helps, right. Um. I

600
00:32:09,640 --> 00:32:11,800
Speaker 1: wanted to talk for a minute about handwarmers, which are

601
00:32:11,840 --> 00:32:15,960
Speaker 1: really more chemical tech than straight gadgetry tech, but I

602
00:32:16,240 --> 00:32:19,040
Speaker 1: think that they're really cool. So you've got both single

603
00:32:19,160 --> 00:32:23,480
Speaker 1: use and rechargeable or multi use handwarmers, and the single

604
00:32:23,680 --> 00:32:27,880
Speaker 1: use ones are just these little pouches that contain iron, powder, water,

605
00:32:28,200 --> 00:32:31,080
Speaker 1: and salt, which together will react with oxygen when the

606
00:32:31,080 --> 00:32:34,640
Speaker 1: packet is exposed to air. It's an exothermic reaction, which

607
00:32:34,680 --> 00:32:37,200
Speaker 1: means that it creates heat and kind of as a

608
00:32:37,240 --> 00:32:42,040
Speaker 1: byproduct in this case rust iron oxide, right. And they

609
00:32:42,120 --> 00:32:46,320
Speaker 1: usually also contain an absorbent or absorbent material to to

610
00:32:46,360 --> 00:32:48,800
Speaker 1: hold onto the water until it's needed for the reaction,

611
00:32:48,800 --> 00:32:52,880
Speaker 1: and also activated carbon to help disperse the heat. So

612
00:32:52,920 --> 00:32:55,080
Speaker 1: those are the single use ones once you know, once

613
00:32:55,160 --> 00:32:58,880
Speaker 1: they warm up pretty well, but once they're done, they're

614
00:32:58,920 --> 00:33:01,920
Speaker 1: done forever. You gotta toss it. You can't recharge that

615
00:33:01,960 --> 00:33:04,640
Speaker 1: in any way. You cannot know. The multiese ones though

616
00:33:04,800 --> 00:33:07,800
Speaker 1: they're really cool. Wait wait, if you have a handwarmer,

617
00:33:07,800 --> 00:33:10,120
Speaker 1: how can it be cool, Lauren. That sounds like it

618
00:33:10,160 --> 00:33:14,800
Speaker 1: doesn't work at all. So they're these sealed pouches of

619
00:33:14,840 --> 00:33:20,040
Speaker 1: supersaturated saline solutions, usually sodium acetate and water is the

620
00:33:20,080 --> 00:33:22,920
Speaker 1: solution that they're made of. And this stuff is really stable.

621
00:33:22,960 --> 00:33:26,200
Speaker 1: It's really happy to exist as a liquid way below

622
00:33:26,320 --> 00:33:30,760
Speaker 1: it's freezing point and or its crystallization point because it

623
00:33:30,800 --> 00:33:34,400
Speaker 1: does that thing um that crystallization or freezing point happens

624
00:33:34,400 --> 00:33:37,080
Speaker 1: to be a hundred and thirty degrees fahrenheit or fifty

625
00:33:37,080 --> 00:33:41,160
Speaker 1: four degrees celsius, which you know is way above room temperature. Yes,

626
00:33:41,240 --> 00:33:44,560
Speaker 1: that's that's quite warm. That's significantly above it. Right, So

627
00:33:44,600 --> 00:33:47,120
Speaker 1: it's happy hanging out as a liquid at room temperature.

628
00:33:47,520 --> 00:33:50,680
Speaker 1: But this pouch that contains it also contains this little

629
00:33:50,760 --> 00:33:53,840
Speaker 1: disc like gidget that secrets away a couple of crystals

630
00:33:53,920 --> 00:33:57,400
Speaker 1: of sodium acetate from the rest of the liquid. And

631
00:33:57,440 --> 00:33:59,800
Speaker 1: when you manipulate that disk by kind of popping it,

632
00:33:59,880 --> 00:34:02,800
Speaker 1: the crystals hit the liquid and seed this really quick

633
00:34:02,880 --> 00:34:07,680
Speaker 1: crystallization process. Now, since a solid a k a. The crystal,

634
00:34:07,720 --> 00:34:11,160
Speaker 1: the frozen version of this stuff is a lower energy

635
00:34:11,239 --> 00:34:14,520
Speaker 1: state than a liquid, that energy of it going from

636
00:34:14,560 --> 00:34:17,200
Speaker 1: a liquid to a solid very quickly has to go

637
00:34:17,360 --> 00:34:20,839
Speaker 1: somewhere and it's released as heat. Right because as we know,

638
00:34:21,120 --> 00:34:23,760
Speaker 1: you can't create or destroy energy, but you can convert

639
00:34:23,800 --> 00:34:26,400
Speaker 1: it from one form to another, right. And then you

640
00:34:26,440 --> 00:34:29,319
Speaker 1: can recharge this kind of pack by boiling it in

641
00:34:29,400 --> 00:34:32,960
Speaker 1: water for for maybe ten minutes. You have to melt

642
00:34:33,040 --> 00:34:35,520
Speaker 1: all of the crystals, and a couple of seed crystals

643
00:34:35,520 --> 00:34:37,480
Speaker 1: will stay in the disk and then you can so

644
00:34:37,600 --> 00:34:39,200
Speaker 1: you can just keep using it until there are no

645
00:34:39,239 --> 00:34:41,400
Speaker 1: more seed crystals left in that disk, and then you

646
00:34:41,440 --> 00:34:43,040
Speaker 1: might have to get a new one. You can you

647
00:34:43,040 --> 00:34:46,480
Speaker 1: can use it until you basically break the bag. Got it.

648
00:34:46,640 --> 00:34:48,560
Speaker 1: You will never run out of seed crystals because the

649
00:34:48,600 --> 00:34:51,000
Speaker 1: way that the disk is formed, it will it will

650
00:34:51,040 --> 00:34:53,560
Speaker 1: just kind of hide a couple interesting when the rest

651
00:34:53,600 --> 00:34:57,239
Speaker 1: of it gets that's really cool. Wow, I never Now

652
00:34:57,239 --> 00:35:00,160
Speaker 1: I've fallen into the whole handwarm or cool problem. We

653
00:35:00,200 --> 00:35:02,359
Speaker 1: need to take another quick break, but we will be

654
00:35:02,600 --> 00:35:13,879
Speaker 1: right back. So, speaking of water, water filters obviously very

655
00:35:13,920 --> 00:35:16,160
Speaker 1: important if you're going to be counting someplace you want

656
00:35:16,200 --> 00:35:18,480
Speaker 1: to you want to clean source of water, both for

657
00:35:18,640 --> 00:35:22,160
Speaker 1: drinking and for cooking with and so water filters and purifiers,

658
00:35:22,160 --> 00:35:24,600
Speaker 1: I mean, there are a ton of them out there.

659
00:35:24,640 --> 00:35:27,000
Speaker 1: Some of them are very simple. They might use you know,

660
00:35:27,360 --> 00:35:31,360
Speaker 1: essentially carbon to like a charcoal type filter for you

661
00:35:31,400 --> 00:35:34,520
Speaker 1: to filter water through. Yeah, you might just fill it

662
00:35:34,600 --> 00:35:36,040
Speaker 1: up and it takes like a minute for it to

663
00:35:36,080 --> 00:35:38,239
Speaker 1: filter through and then you get filtered water. On the

664
00:35:38,239 --> 00:35:40,480
Speaker 1: other end, some of them are more active than that.

665
00:35:40,520 --> 00:35:43,120
Speaker 1: They don't just have a passive system that water flows through.

666
00:35:43,400 --> 00:35:45,840
Speaker 1: For instance, I've seen a few that end up using

667
00:35:45,960 --> 00:35:50,080
Speaker 1: a UV purification lights, so ultra violet light, and that's

668
00:35:50,080 --> 00:35:55,200
Speaker 1: because ultra violet radiation can kill microbial, nasty stuff. And

669
00:35:55,320 --> 00:35:58,080
Speaker 1: the one I saw specifically, you would turn the lamp

670
00:35:58,120 --> 00:36:00,960
Speaker 1: on and then agitate the water, meaning you shake it

671
00:36:01,200 --> 00:36:04,359
Speaker 1: for about a minute, and then that ultra violet light

672
00:36:04,400 --> 00:36:07,600
Speaker 1: should pretty much kill off anything that happens to be

673
00:36:07,640 --> 00:36:09,479
Speaker 1: in the water. You first would filter the water before

674
00:36:09,480 --> 00:36:11,759
Speaker 1: you would pour it into the bottle, because you know,

675
00:36:11,800 --> 00:36:14,759
Speaker 1: you want to get rid of anything macro first, like

676
00:36:15,160 --> 00:36:17,240
Speaker 1: you know, maybe I don't want to put a fish

677
00:36:17,239 --> 00:36:21,360
Speaker 1: in here or something crawdaddy until I grew up in

678
00:36:21,400 --> 00:36:23,759
Speaker 1: the South, uh. And then you use the UV to

679
00:36:23,840 --> 00:36:26,879
Speaker 1: get rid of all the little microbial stuff. That's pretty neat.

680
00:36:26,920 --> 00:36:29,359
Speaker 1: And in fact, that's one of those that I looked

681
00:36:29,400 --> 00:36:32,600
Speaker 1: at a lot of websites that had lists of gadgets

682
00:36:32,680 --> 00:36:34,840
Speaker 1: that you would want to take with you on camping trips,

683
00:36:34,880 --> 00:36:36,880
Speaker 1: like the high tech stuff, and that was one of

684
00:36:36,880 --> 00:36:40,040
Speaker 1: the ones that popped up over and over again, presumably uh,

685
00:36:40,320 --> 00:36:44,319
Speaker 1: written by people who actually go camping, as opposed to myself. Well,

686
00:36:44,600 --> 00:36:47,000
Speaker 1: clean water is really good, you know. Another kind of

687
00:36:47,040 --> 00:36:48,680
Speaker 1: low tech way of doing it is you can always

688
00:36:48,760 --> 00:36:52,040
Speaker 1: boil your water for a good long time. Might not

689
00:36:52,080 --> 00:36:54,680
Speaker 1: necessarily taste great, but at least you've killed off anything

690
00:36:54,719 --> 00:36:58,680
Speaker 1: that would potentially do you harm. So but yeah, that's

691
00:36:58,680 --> 00:37:01,600
Speaker 1: always also of very important thing to keep in mind.

692
00:37:01,600 --> 00:37:04,640
Speaker 1: If you don't have one of these filter things handy,

693
00:37:04,840 --> 00:37:09,480
Speaker 1: you still want to take precaution obviously before just dunking

694
00:37:09,480 --> 00:37:11,759
Speaker 1: your head in the nearest water source and drinking deep

695
00:37:12,480 --> 00:37:15,000
Speaker 1: uh or deeply I should say. Then. We have solar

696
00:37:15,040 --> 00:37:17,200
Speaker 1: powered charging stations in general. There are a lot that are,

697
00:37:17,400 --> 00:37:20,799
Speaker 1: you know, handheld. There's some that you end up fanning out,

698
00:37:21,120 --> 00:37:24,640
Speaker 1: and I've seen one that looks like a like a

699
00:37:24,760 --> 00:37:27,560
Speaker 1: large cell phone and then it ends up having this

700
00:37:27,640 --> 00:37:30,879
Speaker 1: sort of three panel pedal thing where you just fold

701
00:37:30,880 --> 00:37:32,680
Speaker 1: the little bits out yep, and then you just put

702
00:37:32,719 --> 00:37:35,520
Speaker 1: it on some some surface that is exposed to sunlight

703
00:37:35,560 --> 00:37:38,560
Speaker 1: and you let it charge. Most of them have battery packs,

704
00:37:38,800 --> 00:37:41,600
Speaker 1: so you're not charging directly from solar panel to your

705
00:37:41,680 --> 00:37:44,920
Speaker 1: device you or or you could, but you also can

706
00:37:45,040 --> 00:37:48,359
Speaker 1: charge the onboard battery to save it for later. There's

707
00:37:48,400 --> 00:37:51,480
Speaker 1: also the good old classic hand crank yep, man, I've

708
00:37:51,520 --> 00:37:53,879
Speaker 1: got one of those, actually, yep, I have one of those.

709
00:37:53,920 --> 00:37:58,840
Speaker 1: It's kind of an emergency radio slash and most of

710
00:37:58,840 --> 00:38:02,280
Speaker 1: those you give it a good cranking for like thirty

711
00:38:02,320 --> 00:38:05,640
Speaker 1: seconds to a minute, and then you may know it's

712
00:38:05,640 --> 00:38:07,359
Speaker 1: pretty vigorous. I mean, you have to do a lot

713
00:38:07,360 --> 00:38:12,080
Speaker 1: of kinetic work. It's it's converting kinetic energy into electrical energy,

714
00:38:12,200 --> 00:38:13,839
Speaker 1: and you've gotta do a lot of work in order

715
00:38:13,880 --> 00:38:16,000
Speaker 1: for you to get even a little bit of electricity out.

716
00:38:16,320 --> 00:38:18,040
Speaker 1: But it might be enough electricity for you to do

717
00:38:18,120 --> 00:38:20,960
Speaker 1: something like syndequate text message, which could be the difference

718
00:38:20,960 --> 00:38:24,520
Speaker 1: between life and death depending upon your situation. So there

719
00:38:24,560 --> 00:38:27,840
Speaker 1: are a lot of different companies that make these. Um

720
00:38:28,120 --> 00:38:31,480
Speaker 1: Swiss Army Uh company that is famous for the Swiss

721
00:38:31,520 --> 00:38:33,799
Speaker 1: Army knives also makes stuff like this or partners with

722
00:38:33,840 --> 00:38:35,920
Speaker 1: people who do make stuff like this. I used to

723
00:38:35,960 --> 00:38:38,359
Speaker 1: see them at c s every year. I'd see these

724
00:38:38,400 --> 00:38:43,400
Speaker 1: different cool emergency kits that include a hand crank charging

725
00:38:43,440 --> 00:38:45,960
Speaker 1: station along with usually the hand crank charging station is

726
00:38:45,960 --> 00:38:49,799
Speaker 1: also something like a lantern and a radio and I

727
00:38:49,840 --> 00:38:51,960
Speaker 1: don't know, a tour guide. I mean they got kind

728
00:38:51,960 --> 00:38:55,560
Speaker 1: of crazy eventually, but and spraining eat stuff. Then I

729
00:38:55,600 --> 00:38:59,640
Speaker 1: also saw fuel cells. Wait, camping fuel cells, Yeah, actual

730
00:38:59,680 --> 00:39:03,080
Speaker 1: fuel else. There's one called the Power Trek and it's

731
00:39:03,200 --> 00:39:05,759
Speaker 1: it's light enough for you to carry like you can

732
00:39:05,760 --> 00:39:08,080
Speaker 1: either clip it on the outside of your backpack or

733
00:39:08,080 --> 00:39:11,120
Speaker 1: actually carry it inside your backpack, and it uses little

734
00:39:11,200 --> 00:39:14,759
Speaker 1: hydrogen pucks. Now a fuel cell. Brian herd Is talk

735
00:39:14,800 --> 00:39:17,440
Speaker 1: about them before, but in case you're not familiar, fuel

736
00:39:17,480 --> 00:39:21,240
Speaker 1: cells use hydrogen and oxygen, and uh, you know those

737
00:39:21,360 --> 00:39:24,239
Speaker 1: those two elements like to combine into this stuff we

738
00:39:24,640 --> 00:39:28,120
Speaker 1: call water. But let's say you've got a chamber filled

739
00:39:28,120 --> 00:39:31,000
Speaker 1: with hydrogen and oxygen. You've separated them with a membrane,

740
00:39:31,280 --> 00:39:33,960
Speaker 1: and the membrane only allows hydrogen through. If it's an ion,

741
00:39:34,080 --> 00:39:38,240
Speaker 1: meaning that it's shed its electron, then you can channel

742
00:39:38,280 --> 00:39:40,840
Speaker 1: those electrons to do work before they recombine on the

743
00:39:40,880 --> 00:39:44,160
Speaker 1: other side where the hydrogen ions the oxygen and then

744
00:39:44,280 --> 00:39:47,600
Speaker 1: the electrons coming in all conform water. So that's your

745
00:39:47,640 --> 00:39:51,360
Speaker 1: basic fuel cell and power treck is that's basically what

746
00:39:51,400 --> 00:39:55,319
Speaker 1: it is. The little hydrogen pucks contain hydrogen gas, which

747
00:39:55,320 --> 00:39:57,839
Speaker 1: combined with oxygen, you get some electricity and a little

748
00:39:57,840 --> 00:40:00,000
Speaker 1: bit of water vapor as the byproducts, and you can

749
00:40:00,160 --> 00:40:03,879
Speaker 1: charge your electronics using that. So yeah, if you want

750
00:40:03,920 --> 00:40:07,160
Speaker 1: to be super high tech, carry a fuel cell with you.

751
00:40:07,960 --> 00:40:12,000
Speaker 1: Um and fortunately the hydrogen oxygen fuel cells can operate

752
00:40:12,040 --> 00:40:14,120
Speaker 1: at temperatures that are comfortable to us. A lot of

753
00:40:14,200 --> 00:40:17,040
Speaker 1: fuel cells, when you get into the industrial level, have

754
00:40:17,160 --> 00:40:19,560
Speaker 1: to be heated up to temperatures that are you know,

755
00:40:20,200 --> 00:40:24,000
Speaker 1: not conducive to living for humans. So fortunately this is

756
00:40:24,040 --> 00:40:25,399
Speaker 1: not one of those. It would not be a very

757
00:40:25,400 --> 00:40:32,040
Speaker 1: good camping accessory otherwise. No, on the slightly less ridiculously

758
00:40:32,120 --> 00:40:35,320
Speaker 1: high tech level, cane think showers, I mean, because anyone

759
00:40:35,360 --> 00:40:37,799
Speaker 1: can construct a shower in a camp by putting some

760
00:40:37,840 --> 00:40:39,919
Speaker 1: water in a bag and hanging it from a tree

761
00:40:39,960 --> 00:40:41,680
Speaker 1: and kind of letting it drip down on you poke

762
00:40:41,719 --> 00:40:45,399
Speaker 1: a hole into the bag of some sort. Yeah, but

763
00:40:45,520 --> 00:40:46,719
Speaker 1: if you want to go a little bit more high

764
00:40:46,760 --> 00:40:48,840
Speaker 1: tech than that. The other a couple of different options.

765
00:40:48,880 --> 00:40:51,279
Speaker 1: I saw one where it was one that could fold

766
00:40:51,400 --> 00:40:53,680
Speaker 1: up into a very small case so that you can

767
00:40:53,719 --> 00:40:56,239
Speaker 1: actually you know, carry it in one hand. But then

768
00:40:56,239 --> 00:40:57,799
Speaker 1: of course when you fill it up, you'd hang it

769
00:40:57,800 --> 00:40:59,840
Speaker 1: from like a tree or something. Let's sit in the

770
00:41:00,040 --> 00:41:02,080
Speaker 1: on the sun heats up the water and then you've

771
00:41:02,120 --> 00:41:04,160
Speaker 1: got a nice warm shower, so you're not you're not

772
00:41:04,200 --> 00:41:07,680
Speaker 1: freezing while you take your shower. But there's another uh

773
00:41:07,719 --> 00:41:10,799
Speaker 1: some other ones I saw where it actually includes inflatable

774
00:41:10,800 --> 00:41:13,919
Speaker 1: bladders that are inside the bag that holds all the water.

775
00:41:14,120 --> 00:41:15,920
Speaker 1: So you fill it up with water, you leave it

776
00:41:15,960 --> 00:41:17,960
Speaker 1: on the sun, you let it get nice and warm,

777
00:41:18,080 --> 00:41:20,040
Speaker 1: and then you go and use like a foot pump

778
00:41:20,120 --> 00:41:22,920
Speaker 1: or a hand pump to pump up the bladders, the

779
00:41:22,920 --> 00:41:25,600
Speaker 1: inflatable bladders that are inside this this back to you

780
00:41:25,800 --> 00:41:29,960
Speaker 1: push the water out at you slightly more. Yeah, it's

781
00:41:29,960 --> 00:41:33,759
Speaker 1: like a pressure ride shower. Yeah, so it ends up

782
00:41:33,800 --> 00:41:36,560
Speaker 1: being a little bit more of a shower experience and

783
00:41:36,640 --> 00:41:38,959
Speaker 1: not just using gravity to pull the water down. Because

784
00:41:39,000 --> 00:41:41,960
Speaker 1: I mean, these days are behind me. But back when

785
00:41:41,960 --> 00:41:46,160
Speaker 1: I used to wash my hair, obviously, um, you wouldn't

786
00:41:46,200 --> 00:41:49,160
Speaker 1: be able to rent out something like soap or shampoo

787
00:41:49,160 --> 00:41:51,120
Speaker 1: out of your hair very effectively if you don't have

788
00:41:51,160 --> 00:41:53,440
Speaker 1: any water pressure. Anyone who's had to deal with that

789
00:41:53,480 --> 00:41:55,920
Speaker 1: and knows what I'm talking about. So that was the

790
00:41:55,920 --> 00:41:58,319
Speaker 1: way of getting around that. It's actually a pretty low

791
00:41:58,400 --> 00:42:02,680
Speaker 1: tech but creative luction to that problem. Um. Also very

792
00:42:02,719 --> 00:42:06,200
Speaker 1: important is to have some sort of GPS receiver whether

793
00:42:06,239 --> 00:42:09,200
Speaker 1: that is your phone or its own receiver. There are

794
00:42:09,200 --> 00:42:13,360
Speaker 1: a lot of receivers out there that are very good

795
00:42:13,400 --> 00:42:16,200
Speaker 1: at just barely sipping power so you can carry it

796
00:42:16,239 --> 00:42:18,799
Speaker 1: on a longer trip, and really simple ones that you

797
00:42:18,800 --> 00:42:21,080
Speaker 1: know aren't you're not doing a whole lot with, but

798
00:42:21,200 --> 00:42:24,240
Speaker 1: can at least just give a ping and tell someone

799
00:42:24,239 --> 00:42:26,759
Speaker 1: where you are right and keep you informed of where

800
00:42:26,760 --> 00:42:28,600
Speaker 1: you are as well, so that way, you know, you

801
00:42:28,680 --> 00:42:31,680
Speaker 1: might notice if you're heading toward an area whether there

802
00:42:31,760 --> 00:42:34,840
Speaker 1: isn't an easy source of water or something along those lines.

803
00:42:34,920 --> 00:42:39,000
Speaker 1: Very important. Two way radio is also really important usually, uh,

804
00:42:39,040 --> 00:42:40,759
Speaker 1: you know, I always recommend if people are going to

805
00:42:40,800 --> 00:42:43,080
Speaker 1: go camping or hiking to do it with a friend

806
00:42:43,400 --> 00:42:45,279
Speaker 1: you know, and also to let people know when you're

807
00:42:45,320 --> 00:42:47,920
Speaker 1: going to do it. Yeah, this is I did an

808
00:42:47,960 --> 00:42:50,839
Speaker 1: episode on geo Cashing years ago and that was one

809
00:42:50,840 --> 00:42:53,000
Speaker 1: of those basic rules is let people know when you're

810
00:42:53,000 --> 00:42:55,839
Speaker 1: going to go out and do something. Certainly someone knows

811
00:42:55,920 --> 00:42:58,080
Speaker 1: where you are, and there are ways to stay safe

812
00:42:58,080 --> 00:43:01,239
Speaker 1: when you're solo camping. Yeah, by it involves a lot

813
00:43:01,239 --> 00:43:03,960
Speaker 1: of planning and a lot of know how and a

814
00:43:04,000 --> 00:43:06,480
Speaker 1: lot of telling people where you're going right just in

815
00:43:06,520 --> 00:43:09,279
Speaker 1: case that you know, something unexpected happens, like maybe some

816
00:43:09,360 --> 00:43:11,839
Speaker 1: bad weather makes it very difficult for you to make

817
00:43:11,880 --> 00:43:14,560
Speaker 1: your way back to your vehicle or something on those lines.

818
00:43:14,880 --> 00:43:16,960
Speaker 1: Anyway to a radio is very useful. There are a

819
00:43:16,960 --> 00:43:19,239
Speaker 1: lot of really advanced ones out there on the market now.

820
00:43:19,280 --> 00:43:21,640
Speaker 1: I mean back in the day, UH, you would have

821
00:43:21,760 --> 00:43:25,040
Speaker 1: limited range and limited battery life, But now we've got

822
00:43:25,080 --> 00:43:28,040
Speaker 1: some that are very battery conscious and can operate up

823
00:43:28,040 --> 00:43:31,040
Speaker 1: to thirty five miles apart if you have a good

824
00:43:31,080 --> 00:43:34,040
Speaker 1: clear line of sight. Obviously, if you are in a

825
00:43:34,080 --> 00:43:37,719
Speaker 1: deeply wooded area and you're both in separate valleys, that's

826
00:43:37,760 --> 00:43:41,480
Speaker 1: probably not going to be as as effective, but thirty

827
00:43:41,520 --> 00:43:44,799
Speaker 1: five miles is pretty significant, and a lot of them

828
00:43:44,800 --> 00:43:48,279
Speaker 1: will also allow you to tune into other radio stations,

829
00:43:48,320 --> 00:43:51,960
Speaker 1: not just a communications channel, but perhaps something like a

830
00:43:51,960 --> 00:43:56,640
Speaker 1: weather report from the National Oceanic and Atmospheric Administration or NOAH.

831
00:43:57,200 --> 00:43:59,440
Speaker 1: A lot of those, in fact, the hand cranks that

832
00:43:59,480 --> 00:44:01,200
Speaker 1: I was talking out earlier, the ones that are often

833
00:44:01,280 --> 00:44:04,239
Speaker 1: radios and lanterns, a lot of those also have that

834
00:44:04,360 --> 00:44:07,080
Speaker 1: kind of capability so that you can check FM, a

835
00:44:07,280 --> 00:44:10,560
Speaker 1: M radio and and no UH very important when you're

836
00:44:10,560 --> 00:44:12,759
Speaker 1: out there by yourself or even you know, with a

837
00:44:12,800 --> 00:44:15,200
Speaker 1: couple of other people, just to let you know if

838
00:44:15,239 --> 00:44:19,520
Speaker 1: a storm's coming. Digital binoculars these are awesome. I think,

839
00:44:19,840 --> 00:44:21,719
Speaker 1: of course, we're all familiar with what they can do

840
00:44:21,800 --> 00:44:25,160
Speaker 1: from the documentary Star Wars and New Hope. When sand

841
00:44:25,200 --> 00:44:28,040
Speaker 1: people are coming toward you and they're walking in a

842
00:44:28,120 --> 00:44:30,680
Speaker 1: single file, you know, to hide their numbers, it's important

843
00:44:30,680 --> 00:44:32,040
Speaker 1: for you to be able to spot them from a

844
00:44:32,080 --> 00:44:36,799
Speaker 1: long way away. Also, these things often have video recorders

845
00:44:36,800 --> 00:44:38,920
Speaker 1: in them, so you can look at you know, interesting

846
00:44:38,920 --> 00:44:41,920
Speaker 1: wildlife and actually record what you're seeing. And some of

847
00:44:41,960 --> 00:44:45,239
Speaker 1: them have um multiple cameras, like two cameras like you're

848
00:44:45,280 --> 00:44:47,840
Speaker 1: you know, essentially it's mimicking your eyes, which means that

849
00:44:47,920 --> 00:44:50,879
Speaker 1: the images they record are three dimensional. You can play

850
00:44:50,880 --> 00:44:54,600
Speaker 1: it back in three D. Then you've got survival tools.

851
00:44:54,800 --> 00:44:58,440
Speaker 1: Multi tools very useful because they pack a lot of

852
00:44:58,520 --> 00:45:03,520
Speaker 1: utility into a a compact form factor, relatively compact. So

853
00:45:03,600 --> 00:45:05,560
Speaker 1: I've seen some that get a little bit on the

854
00:45:05,640 --> 00:45:08,719
Speaker 1: ridiculous side. Okay, yeah, there there's somewhere, like you know,

855
00:45:08,960 --> 00:45:11,520
Speaker 1: I think I've seen like the the Ultimate Swiss Army knife,

856
00:45:11,520 --> 00:45:15,520
Speaker 1: which has every single attachment, it's every single attachment that

857
00:45:15,600 --> 00:45:18,120
Speaker 1: Swiss Army Knife Company has ever done, and it just

858
00:45:18,120 --> 00:45:20,719
Speaker 1: looks ridiculous. You know, you need like two people to

859
00:45:20,760 --> 00:45:23,160
Speaker 1: hold it up. It's like a baseball bat essentially. Yeah.

860
00:45:23,200 --> 00:45:26,359
Speaker 1: But but your typical multi tool has things that would

861
00:45:26,360 --> 00:45:28,400
Speaker 1: become really handy when you're out there in the woods,

862
00:45:28,440 --> 00:45:30,480
Speaker 1: like perhaps a fire starter and you know, something like

863
00:45:30,520 --> 00:45:32,880
Speaker 1: a flint and steel, which we'll talk about in our

864
00:45:33,360 --> 00:45:36,759
Speaker 1: Pyro episode. Yes, we we have not talked in this

865
00:45:36,920 --> 00:45:41,000
Speaker 1: entire episode about fire starting technology because that that has

866
00:45:41,040 --> 00:45:44,799
Speaker 1: its whole own episode. We're doing that immediately after we

867
00:45:44,840 --> 00:45:46,680
Speaker 1: record this one. We're kind of looking forward to it.

868
00:45:47,280 --> 00:45:50,239
Speaker 1: I've seen some that have things like a way of

869
00:45:50,320 --> 00:45:53,080
Speaker 1: alerting people if you're in distress, usually a whistle. One

870
00:45:53,080 --> 00:45:54,880
Speaker 1: of the ones I looked at was able to produce

871
00:45:54,920 --> 00:45:59,640
Speaker 1: a tone of a hundred decibels, which is pretty loud. Yea, Yeah,

872
00:46:00,160 --> 00:46:03,680
Speaker 1: when you get above eighty five decibels, that's about the

873
00:46:03,960 --> 00:46:07,880
Speaker 1: that's the level of safe so one, it's meant to

874
00:46:07,880 --> 00:46:10,080
Speaker 1: be that loud, so that if you are truly in distress,

875
00:46:10,120 --> 00:46:12,440
Speaker 1: you are alerting people that this is a problem and

876
00:46:12,480 --> 00:46:15,279
Speaker 1: they need to try and find you. And obviously that

877
00:46:15,360 --> 00:46:18,920
Speaker 1: is gonna be much louder than you crying out for help. Right, absolutely,

878
00:46:19,200 --> 00:46:21,279
Speaker 1: although although I do have to say so you could

879
00:46:21,320 --> 00:46:25,839
Speaker 1: say that that particular gadget has bells and whistles. Nice, Yes,

880
00:46:26,040 --> 00:46:28,520
Speaker 1: you could say that, or at least as the whistle part.

881
00:46:28,840 --> 00:46:33,440
Speaker 1: So yeah. I've also seen them that have compass knives.

882
00:46:33,719 --> 00:46:38,200
Speaker 1: I wrote multiple knives because I know how to spell. Uh.

883
00:46:38,760 --> 00:46:42,240
Speaker 1: Signal mirror that's a very low tech but very useful

884
00:46:42,520 --> 00:46:45,759
Speaker 1: led lights. They might have wire or cord or other

885
00:46:45,840 --> 00:46:48,120
Speaker 1: kind of things that allow you to secure stuff to

886
00:46:48,400 --> 00:46:53,839
Speaker 1: other stuff, which comes in handy and survival scenarios, and uh,

887
00:46:53,880 --> 00:46:55,440
Speaker 1: you know other things too, you like some of them

888
00:46:55,480 --> 00:46:57,480
Speaker 1: have things like fish hooks, that kind of stuff. It

889
00:46:57,480 --> 00:47:00,759
Speaker 1: all depends upon the individual tool, but uh, and I've

890
00:47:00,760 --> 00:47:04,239
Speaker 1: seen these worked into things like, um, hiking poles, where

891
00:47:04,360 --> 00:47:07,719
Speaker 1: use a pole to help you maintain your balance and

892
00:47:07,840 --> 00:47:10,800
Speaker 1: keep you going even when you're hiking in rough terrain.

893
00:47:11,080 --> 00:47:14,279
Speaker 1: Sometimes those have survival tools built into the handles, which

894
00:47:14,320 --> 00:47:18,240
Speaker 1: are pretty cool too. Any the person who loves spy

895
00:47:18,320 --> 00:47:22,040
Speaker 1: gadgets is gonna love that kind of camping tech because

896
00:47:22,080 --> 00:47:25,320
Speaker 1: it's all about conserving that space and weight, which often

897
00:47:25,360 --> 00:47:27,360
Speaker 1: means that it looks like it must be made for

898
00:47:27,400 --> 00:47:30,200
Speaker 1: spies because everything's folded away in these little secret compartments.

899
00:47:30,239 --> 00:47:34,720
Speaker 1: That's always neat. But there's something low tech. Yeah, sometimes

900
00:47:34,760 --> 00:47:38,200
Speaker 1: really low tech is best. There are those survival bracelets

901
00:47:38,200 --> 00:47:40,600
Speaker 1: you guys might have seen, which are woven of incredibly

902
00:47:41,000 --> 00:47:47,920
Speaker 1: strong uh not yarn tech, yarn wire wire something to

903
00:47:48,680 --> 00:47:52,640
Speaker 1: chord probably yes, thank you, uh that that you can

904
00:47:52,719 --> 00:47:58,320
Speaker 1: use in in any number of survival situations. And also, hey,

905
00:47:58,440 --> 00:48:02,920
Speaker 1: analog maps, maps that are on paper or perhaps some

906
00:48:03,040 --> 00:48:05,960
Speaker 1: kind of plastic. The great thing about these, you guys,

907
00:48:06,040 --> 00:48:08,839
Speaker 1: is that they don't run out of batteries, right, nor

908
00:48:08,960 --> 00:48:11,359
Speaker 1: nor do they have some sort of system crash where

909
00:48:11,400 --> 00:48:13,160
Speaker 1: you have to You never get a blue screen. You

910
00:48:13,160 --> 00:48:15,839
Speaker 1: don't have to reset your map. Yeah. Yeah, things may

911
00:48:15,880 --> 00:48:18,279
Speaker 1: have changed since the map was made, but probably not

912
00:48:18,320 --> 00:48:21,239
Speaker 1: so significantly that you can't, you know, can't make use

913
00:48:21,280 --> 00:48:23,359
Speaker 1: of the map. If you're looking at a map of

914
00:48:23,840 --> 00:48:27,200
Speaker 1: like this is Pangaea, probably not going to be helpful. Yeah,

915
00:48:27,280 --> 00:48:30,920
Speaker 1: be careful which map you pack. Also, I mean, if

916
00:48:30,960 --> 00:48:33,359
Speaker 1: you pack a map of end or its probably not

917
00:48:33,440 --> 00:48:35,960
Speaker 1: gonna not gonna be helpful. But I just wanted to

918
00:48:36,000 --> 00:48:37,799
Speaker 1: put that out there. You know, sometimes you might want

919
00:48:37,800 --> 00:48:40,000
Speaker 1: to bring one of those. In fact, in general, I

920
00:48:40,040 --> 00:48:43,000
Speaker 1: would always recommend bringing one of those along, definitely. Yeah.

921
00:48:43,000 --> 00:48:45,840
Speaker 1: So there's there's some cool stuff out there that you

922
00:48:45,880 --> 00:48:47,960
Speaker 1: can you can take with you if you're a camping

923
00:48:48,040 --> 00:48:51,920
Speaker 1: enthusiast and you want to be able to maybe trick

924
00:48:51,960 --> 00:48:54,160
Speaker 1: out your your camp site a little bit more with

925
00:48:54,520 --> 00:48:58,080
Speaker 1: some high tech stuff, maybe something like that that that

926
00:48:58,200 --> 00:49:01,399
Speaker 1: camp stove I talked about earlier. Uh, those things can

927
00:49:01,400 --> 00:49:04,000
Speaker 1: be you know, they can make your experience a little

928
00:49:04,040 --> 00:49:07,440
Speaker 1: more comfortable. Uh for people who say, well, that's not

929
00:49:07,520 --> 00:49:11,399
Speaker 1: real camping, obviously you can go as as as rough

930
00:49:11,440 --> 00:49:15,120
Speaker 1: and ready as you want. Someone like me, Um, not

931
00:49:15,160 --> 00:49:17,279
Speaker 1: gonna happen, but if it did happen, it's gonna be

932
00:49:17,320 --> 00:49:21,000
Speaker 1: as comfortable. I mean, I'm gonna have an inflatable pad

933
00:49:21,320 --> 00:49:25,560
Speaker 1: to sleep on. I'm gonna have probably an air conditioned tent.

934
00:49:25,840 --> 00:49:28,000
Speaker 1: I mean, it's just gonna have to be. I think

935
00:49:28,040 --> 00:49:30,319
Speaker 1: that if it's getting you out there, then it's kind

936
00:49:30,320 --> 00:49:34,880
Speaker 1: of beautiful. Yeah. So, uh, you know, until Google Earth

937
00:49:35,080 --> 00:49:37,960
Speaker 1: has every square inch of the planet completely maps, so

938
00:49:38,000 --> 00:49:40,799
Speaker 1: that way I can just virtually go there. Obviously, once

939
00:49:40,840 --> 00:49:42,840
Speaker 1: in a while, I'm going to have to drag my

940
00:49:42,880 --> 00:49:46,480
Speaker 1: carcass out into nature and see what's going on. Seriously though,

941
00:49:46,480 --> 00:49:50,440
Speaker 1: I mean, I joked about this on Facebook while I

942
00:49:50,480 --> 00:49:52,759
Speaker 1: was doing the research, but it really is true. As

943
00:49:52,760 --> 00:49:54,680
Speaker 1: I was looking at these gadgets, it made me want

944
00:49:54,719 --> 00:49:56,680
Speaker 1: to get a few of them and actually go camping.

945
00:49:57,000 --> 00:49:59,120
Speaker 1: The only thing that keeps me from doing that is

946
00:49:59,160 --> 00:50:02,240
Speaker 1: knowing that once I'm in that situation, I'll be questioning

947
00:50:02,239 --> 00:50:05,440
Speaker 1: my sanity. But but it makes me want to do it.

948
00:50:05,920 --> 00:50:08,720
Speaker 1: And again, it's because the idea of camping is so

949
00:50:09,120 --> 00:50:12,319
Speaker 1: it's nice, it sounds peaceful, yeah, and then you get

950
00:50:12,320 --> 00:50:15,920
Speaker 1: to you get to appreciate landscapes that we who live

951
00:50:15,960 --> 00:50:20,480
Speaker 1: in cities don't see that frequently. And that wraps up

952
00:50:20,520 --> 00:50:24,840
Speaker 1: that classic episode of tech stuff, you know. Speaking of camping,

953
00:50:25,280 --> 00:50:28,920
Speaker 1: it's interesting Once a couple of years ago, I was

954
00:50:29,000 --> 00:50:32,279
Speaker 1: talking about the possibility of starting a show, kind of

955
00:50:32,320 --> 00:50:37,560
Speaker 1: a mini series to talk about camping and and outdoorsy

956
00:50:37,640 --> 00:50:40,879
Speaker 1: kind of activities for someone like me, someone who who

957
00:50:41,000 --> 00:50:46,719
Speaker 1: is not particularly interested or skilled in it. Someone I mean,

958
00:50:46,760 --> 00:50:49,319
Speaker 1: I enjoyed camping back when I did it, I just

959
00:50:49,719 --> 00:50:54,160
Speaker 1: don't do it anymore, and someone who has become accustomed

960
00:50:54,320 --> 00:51:00,920
Speaker 1: let us say to the modern comforts beyond what is reasonable,

961
00:51:01,120 --> 00:51:03,920
Speaker 1: one might argue. And I thought, wouldn't it be interesting

962
00:51:03,960 --> 00:51:07,880
Speaker 1: to do a series where actually try to do some

963
00:51:08,040 --> 00:51:11,840
Speaker 1: camping and some outdoorsy type stuff and I rely heavily

964
00:51:12,000 --> 00:51:15,960
Speaker 1: on tech that's made for that purpose, and to see

965
00:51:16,160 --> 00:51:21,200
Speaker 1: if that actually makes the experience, you know, something I enjoy,

966
00:51:21,360 --> 00:51:23,799
Speaker 1: or if the tech actually gets in the way of it.

967
00:51:24,600 --> 00:51:26,920
Speaker 1: I never never actually got to the point where I

968
00:51:27,000 --> 00:51:30,319
Speaker 1: launched it, but it's an idea that continues to come

969
00:51:30,360 --> 00:51:32,799
Speaker 1: back to me. So maybe I will revisit it, because

970
00:51:32,800 --> 00:51:35,000
Speaker 1: I think that could be a really interesting series. First

971
00:51:35,040 --> 00:51:37,319
Speaker 1: of all, it's gonna be hilarious because I'm hopeless when

972
00:51:37,360 --> 00:51:40,240
Speaker 1: it comes to out doorsy stuff. But also I just think,

973
00:51:40,640 --> 00:51:43,399
Speaker 1: like to put this tech to the test, find out

974
00:51:43,760 --> 00:51:48,520
Speaker 1: does it really help you or is it completely unnecessary

975
00:51:49,080 --> 00:51:51,719
Speaker 1: or does it just make something that is difficult for

976
00:51:51,760 --> 00:51:55,080
Speaker 1: me impossible. That's really what I want to know, So

977
00:51:55,280 --> 00:51:57,880
Speaker 1: maybe I'll look into that. If that sounds interesting to you,

978
00:51:57,960 --> 00:51:59,719
Speaker 1: let me know over on Twitter the handle for the

979
00:51:59,760 --> 00:52:02,319
Speaker 1: show Tech Stuff h s W. You can also let

980
00:52:02,360 --> 00:52:03,719
Speaker 1: me know if there are any topics you would like

981
00:52:03,760 --> 00:52:05,719
Speaker 1: me to cover in the future, and I'll talk to

982
00:52:05,760 --> 00:52:14,480
Speaker 1: you again really soon. Yea. Text Stuff is an I

983
00:52:14,600 --> 00:52:18,080
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984
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985
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