WEBVTT - Tech News: US Senator Asks Apple and Google to Ditch TikTok

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<v Speaker 1>Welcome to tech Stuff, a production from I Heart Radio.

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<v Speaker 1>He there, and welcome to tech Stuff. I'm your host,

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<v Speaker 1>Jonathan Strickland. I'm an executive producer with I Heart Radio.

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<v Speaker 1>And how the tech are you. It's time for the

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<v Speaker 1>tech news for Thursday, February second, twenty twenty three into February.

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<v Speaker 1>Already on Tuesday, I mentioned that this week has a

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<v Speaker 1>lot of tech companies holding earnings calls and sharing with

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<v Speaker 1>their investors news about the company's performance. Tuesday's episode went

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<v Speaker 1>out before Snap, the company behind Snapchat, held its call.

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<v Speaker 1>But once that call did happen, things did not go

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<v Speaker 1>so well. Also, things will start to sound a little

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<v Speaker 1>bit topsy turvy as we talked through these first couple

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<v Speaker 1>of stories. All right, so what did Snap have to report? Well, first,

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<v Speaker 1>it's twenty two Q four results, because these earnings calls

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<v Speaker 1>are for the end of last year. Showed that revenue

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<v Speaker 1>was up slightly compared to Q four twenty one, So

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<v Speaker 1>year over year earnings were slightly up or revenue was

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<v Speaker 1>slightly up. That's good, right, But Snap has also phase

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<v Speaker 1>challenges when generating revenue, largely due to the digital ad

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<v Speaker 1>market decreasing as companies across all industries are watching costs.

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<v Speaker 1>This is what happens during periods of economic uncertainty and recession.

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<v Speaker 1>And while revenue grew year over year, it was at

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<v Speaker 1>a rate of twelve percent, which was slower than what

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<v Speaker 1>the company had estimated for two. So remember, it's not

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<v Speaker 1>good enough for a company to generate one point three

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<v Speaker 1>billion dollars in revenue. You also have to make sure

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<v Speaker 1>you're generating more revenue than you did before, and that

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<v Speaker 1>you're doing it at a significant rate if you want

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<v Speaker 1>to keep your investors happy. Now just to drop the

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<v Speaker 1>snark for a bit. If your revenue isn't growing quickly

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<v Speaker 1>but your costs are, that does actually become a really

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<v Speaker 1>big problem. And Snap reported that it had a net

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<v Speaker 1>loss last quarter of two eight million dollars. So it

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<v Speaker 1>generated one point three billion in revenue, but it operated

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<v Speaker 1>at a loss of two eighty eight million. Now you

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<v Speaker 1>compare that to the net gain Snap had of twenty

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<v Speaker 1>two point five million dollars a year previous. So at

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<v Speaker 1>the end of one they had a twenty two point

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<v Speaker 1>five million dollar net profit. Then you know this past

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<v Speaker 1>quarter it was a two million dollar net loss. That

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<v Speaker 1>is bad. And what Snap had to say next really

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<v Speaker 1>made investors unhappy that as of right now, Snap is

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<v Speaker 1>seeing revenue for the first quarter of twenty three at

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<v Speaker 1>a seven percent decline compared to last year. It's really

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<v Speaker 1>bad news when the number doesn't go up enough, but

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<v Speaker 1>even worse news when the number actually goes into negative territory.

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<v Speaker 1>So Snap is hitting a real rough patch right now.

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<v Speaker 1>Last year saw four straight quarters of losses, and you

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<v Speaker 1>can't deny that Snap faces fierce competition in the social

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<v Speaker 1>platform space, both from enormous, well established companies like Meta

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<v Speaker 1>and relatively younger juggernauts like TikTok. We have more to

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<v Speaker 1>say about both of those companies anyway. Snapstock dropped from

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<v Speaker 1>around eleven dollars fifty cents per share on Tuesday two

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<v Speaker 1>below ten dollars per share by Wednesday, although as I

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<v Speaker 1>was writing this episode, there was a little bit of

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<v Speaker 1>a recovery and it was trading at about ten dollars

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<v Speaker 1>thirty six cents per share when I started to record

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<v Speaker 1>this episode. Then on Wednesday yesterday, we got Meta's earnings call,

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<v Speaker 1>and things went a little differently for Meta than they

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<v Speaker 1>did for Snap. Now. On the news front, it was

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<v Speaker 1>kind of a mixed bag. Meta post declining sales for

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<v Speaker 1>the third quarter in a row and a twenty two

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<v Speaker 1>Q four revenue of thirty two point two billion dollars.

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<v Speaker 1>That's how much they brought in in revenue at last quarter. However,

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<v Speaker 1>that was down four point five from but even though

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<v Speaker 1>it was down from one, that thirty two point two

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<v Speaker 1>billion dollars in revenue was still higher than what Wall

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<v Speaker 1>Street investors had estimated it was going to be. So

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<v Speaker 1>Meta didn't do as well as last year, but it

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<v Speaker 1>did better than what investors had predicted, and I guess

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<v Speaker 1>that makes all the difference. Now, the company did also

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<v Speaker 1>post a profit of four point seven billion dollars for

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<v Speaker 1>last quarter. That's a heck of a chunk of change.

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<v Speaker 1>It is still below what some analysts expected were some

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<v Speaker 1>who are thinking it was going to be as much

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<v Speaker 1>as six billion, But the company also revealed it had

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<v Speaker 1>drastically reduced spending and has cut its estimation for its

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<v Speaker 1>three expenses. So originally Meta estimated that it was going

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<v Speaker 1>to spend somewhere between ninety four billion and one billion

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<v Speaker 1>dollars this year. Now the company says no, it's gonna

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<v Speaker 1>be closer to eighty nine billion to nine five billion

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<v Speaker 1>now I've got to admit I cannot wrap my head

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<v Speaker 1>around even just one billion dollars, let alone these astronomical amounts,

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<v Speaker 1>So it starts to just get conceptual to me. I

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<v Speaker 1>can't I can't really apply any meaning to it. If

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<v Speaker 1>you told me that I was going to lose eighty

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<v Speaker 1>nine billion dollars versus ninety four billion dollars, I'd probably

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<v Speaker 1>be like, that's more than I will ever see in

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<v Speaker 1>my lifetime. So it really doesn't matter between the two.

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<v Speaker 1>But for a company like Meta, obviously it does matter,

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<v Speaker 1>and were over to the investors it does matter. Zuckerberg

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<v Speaker 1>also mentioned that Meta is pushing AI innovation that will

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<v Speaker 1>have a big impact on business in the future, and

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<v Speaker 1>Meta saw growth in its user base. They passed the

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<v Speaker 1>two billion daily active users in Q four. That is phenomenal.

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<v Speaker 1>Remember for a while, well specific platforms have been seeing

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<v Speaker 1>a decline, and I don't know if they broke it out,

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<v Speaker 1>if this was just Facebook that saw two billion daily

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<v Speaker 1>active users, or if this was across the company. I

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<v Speaker 1>didn't see that in the little earnings report I was reading.

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<v Speaker 1>I'm sure they did break it out in the call,

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<v Speaker 1>but the article I read did not Zuckerberg also said

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<v Speaker 1>that three will be a year in which Meta focuses

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<v Speaker 1>on efficiency that can be code for cost cutting measures,

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<v Speaker 1>including more layoffs. It's definitely going to include a change

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<v Speaker 1>in their data center strategy because Meta has announced it's

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<v Speaker 1>going to cancel a multiple data center projects. In that

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<v Speaker 1>earnings call and after hours trading, the company stock price

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<v Speaker 1>increased by twenty percent. So yeah, dramatic difference between Snap.

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<v Speaker 1>Snap saw a drop in its stock price, met Us

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<v Speaker 1>saw a big boost after its earnings call, even though

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<v Speaker 1>both companies reported disappointing results for the last quarter. It

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<v Speaker 1>just shows that people view this very, very differently. Today

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<v Speaker 1>we're gonna get more earnings call reports from Amazon, Alphabet

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<v Speaker 1>and Apple, so I'm sure I will mention a little

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<v Speaker 1>bit of that next week. Now. I did mention TikTok earlier,

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<v Speaker 1>and that has often been cited as one of the

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<v Speaker 1>biggest players and biggest competitors in the social platform space,

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<v Speaker 1>but it's also been facing increasing scrutiny and criticism from

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<v Speaker 1>various US leaders, including Senator Michael Bennett from Colorado. Bennett's

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<v Speaker 1>sent a letter to Apple and to Google as both

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<v Speaker 1>companies to remove TikTok from their respective app stores. And

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<v Speaker 1>you might wonder why, Well, Bennett wrote, quote TikTok's vast

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<v Speaker 1>influence and aggressive data collection pose a specific threat to

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<v Speaker 1>US national security because of its parent companies obligations under

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<v Speaker 1>Chinese law end quote. So what Bennett is referring to

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<v Speaker 1>is a law in China that places obligations on all

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<v Speaker 1>Chinese companies and citizens to assist in matters of intelligence

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<v Speaker 1>gathering espionage work. In other words, if you have a

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<v Speaker 1>way of getting details on one of China's um adversaries,

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<v Speaker 1>maybe rivals other nations, if you want to just be

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<v Speaker 1>really generic, you're supposed to pass that on to the

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<v Speaker 1>Chinese government. And so Bennett's argument is similar to other

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<v Speaker 1>ones we have heard in the past that because TikTok's

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<v Speaker 1>parent company, which is Byte Dance, is a Chinese company,

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<v Speaker 1>and because you have this policy in China, then it

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<v Speaker 1>stands to reason that Bye Dance could use TikTok to

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<v Speaker 1>further Chinese intelligence operations, and that perhaps that has already

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<v Speaker 1>been happening. Generally speaking, the government of one country it's

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<v Speaker 1>never too keen to open the doors to another country's

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<v Speaker 1>intelligence operations. That's considered bad if you just open up

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<v Speaker 1>the door and let all the spies come in and

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<v Speaker 1>steal all the info, or at least get a good

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<v Speaker 1>look at it. Meanwhile, the Biden administration has been in

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<v Speaker 1>negotiations with TikTok business leaders to try and craft away

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<v Speaker 1>from the company to operate within the US while still

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<v Speaker 1>assuring the US government that it's not funneling tons of

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<v Speaker 1>information to Chinese intelligence and other U s leaders meanwhile

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<v Speaker 1>are proposing or passing legislation that is banning TikTok, at

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<v Speaker 1>least from government owned devices, and I've heard that there

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<v Speaker 1>are a few schools that have done this as well.

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<v Speaker 1>So we're not at a point where it's like a

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<v Speaker 1>nationwide ban on TikTok full stop, but we're kind of

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<v Speaker 1>dancing close to that. And if you end up, you know,

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<v Speaker 1>compelling Apple and Google to remove TikTok from their app stores,

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<v Speaker 1>then it's it's not technically a ban on TikTok, but

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<v Speaker 1>if you can't get it, then it amounts to very

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<v Speaker 1>much the same sort of thing. All Right, we're gonna

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<v Speaker 1>take a quick break. When we come back, We've got

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<v Speaker 1>some more news stories to talk about. We're back, and

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<v Speaker 1>I've got a couple of Google related stories to cover.

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<v Speaker 1>One is that a collection of workers whose job is

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<v Speaker 1>to rate search results are protesting their pay. So Google

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<v Speaker 1>does this where they pay really the contract with another

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<v Speaker 1>company to have people review search results in order to

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<v Speaker 1>improve Google's performance over time so that search results become

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<v Speaker 1>more relevant and compelling. And Google guarantees its own employees

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<v Speaker 1>and contract workers who are working thirty hours or more

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<v Speaker 1>a minimum wage of fifteen dollars per hour. But the

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<v Speaker 1>folks who are doing this search results rating are technically

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<v Speaker 1>working for another company called Appen Limited, and it contracts

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<v Speaker 1>with Google in order to provide this this work to

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<v Speaker 1>the company, and these contract workers are getting less than

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<v Speaker 1>fifteen dollars per hour. Plus they are frequently finding themselves

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<v Speaker 1>scheduled for less than thirty hours, and that means they

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<v Speaker 1>dip below the cut off where they would receive the

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<v Speaker 1>same benefits of a Google temporary contract or vendor employee

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<v Speaker 1>also known as TVC workers. TVC benefits include stuff like

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<v Speaker 1>healthcare and tuition reimbursement. So not only are these contractors

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<v Speaker 1>receiving less than the minimum wage of other Google contractors,

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<v Speaker 1>they also find themselves ineligible for these Google benefits. Many

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<v Speaker 1>of these workers have traveled to Google HQ in order

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<v Speaker 1>to protest this situation. They've received some support from other

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<v Speaker 1>contractors who work with Google, and I hope it all

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<v Speaker 1>works out. But we're also in an economy where companies

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<v Speaker 1>like Google are famously laying off thousands of employees right now,

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<v Speaker 1>so it might be very much an upheld battle. Alphabet,

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<v Speaker 1>Google's parent company, has some AI projects in the works

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<v Speaker 1>that appear to be at least in part a response

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<v Speaker 1>to the rise of chat GPT, So we'll talk more

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<v Speaker 1>about chat GPT later in this episode as well. But

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<v Speaker 1>there's this general concern that chat GPT can make web

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<v Speaker 1>searches moot, you know, irrelevant, at least for a lot

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<v Speaker 1>of different topics. So instead of searching for a web

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<v Speaker 1>page that might be able to answer a question you have,

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<v Speaker 1>you instead just ask something like chat GPT and you

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<v Speaker 1>would get the answer directly. That would be cobbled together

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<v Speaker 1>by all the different sources on the web that this

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<v Speaker 1>particular tool uses, and that would have a massive impact

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<v Speaker 1>on Google because Google depends upon ad revenue in its

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<v Speaker 1>search results for a lot of the overall revenue for

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<v Speaker 1>the company. Reportedly, Google is developing its own chat bot

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<v Speaker 1>called apprentice Bard. It hasn't been released to the public,

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<v Speaker 1>but according to c NBC, Google employees are testing out

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<v Speaker 1>apprentice Bard internally. These AI projects don't actually sound like

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<v Speaker 1>they're that new inside Google, but rather now Google is

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<v Speaker 1>putting a new emphasis on specific projects, including apprentice Bard,

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<v Speaker 1>potentially as a response to the rise of chat GPT

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<v Speaker 1>that that chat GPT represents a potential existential threat for

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<v Speaker 1>Google's business. Now, all of this is interesting, and it's

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<v Speaker 1>also kind of concerning to me in many ways. It's

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<v Speaker 1>a manifestation of the concept of the semantic web. So

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<v Speaker 1>the semantic web I idea was this concept of a

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<v Speaker 1>futuristic version of accessing the web where your experience is

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<v Speaker 1>totally unique to you. It's not you going to the

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<v Speaker 1>same web pages as everybody else. Instead, your web browser

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<v Speaker 1>actually learns more about you the more you use it,

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<v Speaker 1>and it learns how to gather information and present it

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<v Speaker 1>in a way that grows increasingly more relevant and digestible

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<v Speaker 1>to you as you use it. So ultimately, instead of

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<v Speaker 1>using your browser to search topic and then visit specific

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<v Speaker 1>web pages to get an answer, it curates and arranges

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<v Speaker 1>information from across the entire Internet in order to present

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<v Speaker 1>it to you in a way that works best for

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<v Speaker 1>your needs. Now, this is a much less complex level

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<v Speaker 1>of of answering questions with chat GPT, but it is

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<v Speaker 1>a similar idea. It's just not nearly as sophisticated as

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<v Speaker 1>the concept of semantic web is. But it's doing a

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<v Speaker 1>similar thing. It's pulling information from across the web and

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<v Speaker 1>then presenting it to you generatively. It is creating that

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<v Speaker 1>answer as you ask questions, and presumably apprentice bar is

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<v Speaker 1>doing a very similar thing. But this comes with some

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<v Speaker 1>really big potential problems. Uh. One of them is that,

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<v Speaker 1>as I said, Google relies on those digital ad spends

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<v Speaker 1>in search result in order to get revenue. So if

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<v Speaker 1>Google ends up supplying its own alternative to the traditional

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<v Speaker 1>web search, then the company has to figure out a

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<v Speaker 1>different way to generate income. Do you serve ads against responses?

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<v Speaker 1>I guess you could do that. I mean, there's nothing

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<v Speaker 1>saying that you couldn't, but I don't know if that

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<v Speaker 1>would end up generating the same kind of revenue that

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<v Speaker 1>the traditional ad search ad income does. But even bigger

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<v Speaker 1>than that problem is a wider ranging issue of web

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<v Speaker 1>page owners. So if no one is being listed in

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<v Speaker 1>search results anymore, and there are no more users that

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<v Speaker 1>are clicking on links in order to visit your web page,

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<v Speaker 1>then you might see your own ad revenue drop incredibly low. Right,

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<v Speaker 1>Because a lot of websites out there depend upon search

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<v Speaker 1>engine traffic to bring visitors in. I mean, there's this

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<v Speaker 1>whole area of marketing called search engine optimization that's all

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<v Speaker 1>about getting that that sweet position in search results so

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<v Speaker 1>that more people visit your site. Well, if search results

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<v Speaker 1>just go away because people aren't using search anymore, they're

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<v Speaker 1>asking questions directly to a tool like apprentice bard or

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<v Speaker 1>chat gpt, then they're never going to any of these sites.

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<v Speaker 1>They're not even seeing the links. They don't even know

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<v Speaker 1>where the information they're getting came from, right because chat

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<v Speaker 1>gpt at least doesn't cited sources, So you wouldn't even

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<v Speaker 1>know to go to this specific web page to learn

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<v Speaker 1>more about the thing you just asked. You would just

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<v Speaker 1>keep asking the tool to get you more information and

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<v Speaker 1>to clarify things, which then means that these web pages,

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<v Speaker 1>if they get a huge drop in revenue, maybe the

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<v Speaker 1>companies go out of business and then the web pages

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<v Speaker 1>ceased to exist. And if that happens, then tools like chat, GPT,

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<v Speaker 1>and apprentice bard will have fewer and fewer sources to

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<v Speaker 1>pull information from, which means those tools will actually get

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<v Speaker 1>worse over time if all this happens, so it becomes

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<v Speaker 1>a really big domino effect. At least that's one potential possibility.

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<v Speaker 1>That's how I see things possibly evolving if this continues. Now,

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<v Speaker 1>there are a lot of people who are way smarter

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<v Speaker 1>than I am who are are presumably working on this,

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<v Speaker 1>So it may very well be that all of my

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<v Speaker 1>concerns are completely unfounded. It's just my first reaction. Two

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<v Speaker 1>learning more about what's going on here, and then one

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<v Speaker 1>more Google story. Actually this is for both Google and Apple.

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<v Speaker 1>Both companies are facing renewed pressure from the US government

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<v Speaker 1>to change how they handle their policies around their respective

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<v Speaker 1>app stores. The Biden administration has recommended Congress order these

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<v Speaker 1>companies to change. There's those app store policies, and they

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<v Speaker 1>range from things like how Apple and Google typically required

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<v Speaker 1>developers to use their respective in house payment systems. Like

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<v Speaker 1>Apple requires that iOS apps if they have in app transactions,

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<v Speaker 1>that they have to go through Apple's payment system in

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<v Speaker 1>most cases, and then Apple gets a cut of every transaction.

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<v Speaker 1>Similar thing for Google now. Apple in the past has

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<v Speaker 1>sort of complied with this kind of request, and I

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<v Speaker 1>say sort of because Apple's m O was to try

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<v Speaker 1>and make it as inconvenient and as expensive as possible

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<v Speaker 1>for a developer to use an alternative payment system rather

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<v Speaker 1>than use the one that Apple relies upon. And while

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<v Speaker 1>Google has allowed Android users to side load apps, meaning

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<v Speaker 1>that you could go into your Android devices settings and

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<v Speaker 1>you could change some options that would allow you to

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<v Speaker 1>download Android apps that are offered outside of the official

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<v Speaker 1>Google store, Apple has resisted doing that for a very

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<v Speaker 1>long time. But even as Apple has shown moves to

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<v Speaker 1>budge on that front. The argument is that these two

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<v Speaker 1>companies are overwhelmingly dominating the app marketplace for mobile and

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<v Speaker 1>the Biden administration argues that there needs to be some

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<v Speaker 1>increased competition and that would be a very good thing.

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<v Speaker 1>Like if other companies could have their own app stores

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<v Speaker 1>where iOS or Android users could go to this alternative

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<v Speaker 1>app store and get innovative apps that aren't covered or

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<v Speaker 1>are carried by either Apple or Google. That would be

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<v Speaker 1>a good thing. It's increased consumer choice. Apple and Google

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<v Speaker 1>both argue that this introduces dangers with malware, which is

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<v Speaker 1>true it does um although we've also seen malware creep

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<v Speaker 1>its way into official Apple and Google um UH operations,

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<v Speaker 1>so you know that's a thing. There's also the matter

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<v Speaker 1>that Apple in particular has a rather mysterious process for

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<v Speaker 1>evaluating and approving apps before allowing them in the App Store,

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<v Speaker 1>and that there is a lack of transparency in how

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<v Speaker 1>Apple does this, and both Google and Apple have faced

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<v Speaker 1>criticism in the past that the companies have promoted their

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<v Speaker 1>own in house apps over those from independent developers who

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<v Speaker 1>have created apps that do something similar to an official

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<v Speaker 1>Apple or Google app. Now, it is important to remember

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<v Speaker 1>that Biden, while he is the President of the United States,

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<v Speaker 1>is not allowed to make laws himself. He can't do that.

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<v Speaker 1>That is Congress's job. That's why the Biden administration has

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<v Speaker 1>sent this recommendation to Congress. And while we've seen some

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<v Speaker 1>proposed legislation from folks like Senator Amy Klobuchar that addressed

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<v Speaker 1>some of these concerns in the past, those proposals never

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<v Speaker 1>actually progressed to the point where leaders put it up

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<v Speaker 1>for a vote. Now that might change. With the President

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<v Speaker 1>weighing in on this. We'll have to see. Okay, we're

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<v Speaker 1>gonna take another quick break. When we come back, I've

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<v Speaker 1>got a few more news items to cover. We're back,

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<v Speaker 1>and we're gonna chat about chat GPT a little bit

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<v Speaker 1>more so. Open Ai, which is the company behind chat gpt,

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<v Speaker 1>has now launched chat gpt Plus. It's in a limited

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<v Speaker 1>launch program right now, and this is a subscription service

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<v Speaker 1>that charges twenty bucks a month. And seeing as how

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<v Speaker 1>the basic version of chat gpt is free to play with,

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<v Speaker 1>what does that twenty dollars a month actually get you. Well.

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<v Speaker 1>According to open a I, subscribers will be able to

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<v Speaker 1>access chat gpt anytime they like, even during times of

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<v Speaker 1>peak demand. Whereas people who are using the free version

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<v Speaker 1>may occasionally encounter a message that tells them the service

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<v Speaker 1>is too busy to accommodate them and they need to

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<v Speaker 1>try again later. Subscribers will not get that message. They

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<v Speaker 1>will be given priority. Subscribers are also supposed to see

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<v Speaker 1>better response time from the app with viewer delay, so

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<v Speaker 1>it's kind of a a new and improved version of

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<v Speaker 1>the service, and in the future, when open ai introduces

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<v Speaker 1>new features, the subscribers are supposed to be the first

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<v Speaker 1>to get a chance to use them. Now, I'm not

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<v Speaker 1>sure if these benefits are going to be worthwhile to

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<v Speaker 1>the average chat GPT user. But the folks who are

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<v Speaker 1>in the field of AI research, or they're in just

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<v Speaker 1>R and D in general, or some developers out there,

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<v Speaker 1>I could see this being a justifiable expense. PC World

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<v Speaker 1>reports that despite the fact that PC sales have dropped

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<v Speaker 1>drastically in recent months, a m D S CPU and

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<v Speaker 1>GPU chips have not dropped in price, And you might

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<v Speaker 1>wonder why is that. If DeMay and has dropped, why

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<v Speaker 1>aren't these chips, why are they getting cheaper? Well. In

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<v Speaker 1>an earnings call with investors earlier this week, a m

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<v Speaker 1>D S CEO revealed that it's because the company is

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<v Speaker 1>purposefully holding back on shipping more chips to the market.

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<v Speaker 1>That they've manufactured lots more chips, but they're just holding

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<v Speaker 1>them an inventory and they're really controlling the supply that

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<v Speaker 1>gets out two retailers, so they are keeping the supply low.

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<v Speaker 1>If a m D doesn't ship the stuff they make,

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<v Speaker 1>then they can try to counteract the drop in demand

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<v Speaker 1>by obviously limiting supply, and apparently the company plans to

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<v Speaker 1>continue this strategy through the beginning of this year, though

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<v Speaker 1>reportedly not quite as as strict as they had at

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<v Speaker 1>the end of last year, and it makes good business sense,

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<v Speaker 1>but it is likely to be frustrating to consumers, particularly gamers,

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<v Speaker 1>who are hoping that the decline and cryptocurrency mining and

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<v Speaker 1>the drop in peace SEE sales would mean that they

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<v Speaker 1>would finally be able to get their hands on a

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<v Speaker 1>great GPU for a great price. Instead, due to several factors,

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<v Speaker 1>including in Vidio's most recent generation of GPUs, which underperformed

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<v Speaker 1>in the market, last generation hardware is still pretty expensive.

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<v Speaker 1>I should also add, it's not as ridiculously expensive as

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<v Speaker 1>it was back when folks were still using GPUs to

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<v Speaker 1>mine ethereum. Ethereum has since migrated to a proof of

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<v Speaker 1>steak model instead of a proof of work model. Anyway,

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<v Speaker 1>with all the various factors that play, it's very difficult

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<v Speaker 1>to predict where prices are going to go. So I

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<v Speaker 1>guess you'all out there who are looking to buy a

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<v Speaker 1>new CPU or a new GPU really should just keep

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<v Speaker 1>your eyes peeled because you never know when companies will

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<v Speaker 1>release more inventory in order to drive more sales. Um

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<v Speaker 1>It's hard to say, so just be patient, or if

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<v Speaker 1>you can't wait, just know that, yeah, this was all

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<v Speaker 1>done by design. Last year, Netflix revealed that one of

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<v Speaker 1>its strategies to help deal with some corporate setbacks was

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<v Speaker 1>to cut down on account sharing. Netflix has already introduced

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<v Speaker 1>away for account holders to add kind of like a

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<v Speaker 1>secondary account that they can then share with someone outside

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<v Speaker 1>of their immediate household. They pay a slight increase in

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<v Speaker 1>their own monthly subscription fee, but then they can share

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<v Speaker 1>an additional account to someone. But how is Netflix actually

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<v Speaker 1>going to detect and stop account sharing? Well, according to

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<v Speaker 1>sky News, Netflix plans to associate Netflix accounts with things

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<v Speaker 1>like IP addresses and device i d s, So as

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<v Speaker 1>people connect to their account, Netflix wild monitor what the

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<v Speaker 1>IP addresses and what the device i d s are

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<v Speaker 1>for the devices used to connect to Netflix, and then

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<v Speaker 1>use that to establish where the home base is for

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<v Speaker 1>that specific account. Then, should someone attempt to access this

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<v Speaker 1>account from an unrecognized device I D or IP address,

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<v Speaker 1>Netflix will send a essentially a two factor authentication login

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<v Speaker 1>prompt to the primary account holders phone or email. Now

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<v Speaker 1>that means that they're going to receive a message with

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<v Speaker 1>a code that has to be entered before you can

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<v Speaker 1>access that Netflix account. So the thought is this will

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<v Speaker 1>make it inconvenient for say that slacker college student to

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<v Speaker 1>log into their parents account, because it also means that

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<v Speaker 1>that college student has to call or text mommy or

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<v Speaker 1>daddy to get that authentication code. And it also means

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<v Speaker 1>mommy or Daddy is going to be getting these notifications

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<v Speaker 1>whenever that slacker kid is trying to watch stranger things

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<v Speaker 1>or whatever. Now, I think this is a decent approach

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<v Speaker 1>to addressing the situation. For folks who have say more

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<v Speaker 1>than one home, they can just make sure that they

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<v Speaker 1>put in the authentication code when they get the prompt

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<v Speaker 1>when they're I don't know, summering in the Hampton's or

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<v Speaker 1>winnering in the keys or whatever it is. Rich people do.

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<v Speaker 1>I want to know what rich people do. Please make

0:26:59.800 --> 0:27:02.840
<v Speaker 1>me a rich person. And now for a dramatic story

0:27:02.840 --> 0:27:08.720
<v Speaker 1>that unfolded in Australia. A mining company that contracted with

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<v Speaker 1>a different company in order to ship some equipment across

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<v Speaker 1>part of Australia UM found itself in a spot of trouble,

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<v Speaker 1>which is putting it lightly so. The equipment included a

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<v Speaker 1>density gauge and this thing was going to travel nearly

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<v Speaker 1>one thousand miles from pick up to two uh storage.

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<v Speaker 1>This particular device contained within it a pellet of caesium

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<v Speaker 1>one thirty seven, or if you prefer kaisi um one seven,

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<v Speaker 1>if we're going to pronounce caesar as kaiser as we should.

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<v Speaker 1>But anyway, it's it's radioactive. Caesium one thirty seven is radioactive,

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<v Speaker 1>and it's in fact it's radioactive enough to cause superficial

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<v Speaker 1>damage if you have brief exposure to small amounts of it,

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<v Speaker 1>and much more serious issues with prolonged exposure. So this

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<v Speaker 1>is dangerous stuff. According to Andrew Robertson, the Chief Health

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<v Speaker 1>Officer for Australia, being exposed to trace amounts of caesium

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<v Speaker 1>one seven is like getting ten X rays in an hour.

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<v Speaker 1>That's crazy. Well here's the even crazier thing. Alright, So

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<v Speaker 1>during transport, this device, this density gauge apparently broke, and

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<v Speaker 1>it broke to the point where the pellet of caesium

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<v Speaker 1>one seven tumbled out of not just the device but

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<v Speaker 1>the transport vehicle and fell out of the vehicle. And

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<v Speaker 1>remember this journey was nearly one thousand miles long. This

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<v Speaker 1>pellet is the size of a p like is a tiny,

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<v Speaker 1>tiny pellet of radioactive material. Then we got this big

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<v Speaker 1>search effort where vehicles that were outfitted with radiation detection

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<v Speaker 1>equipment traveled the route this one thousand mile nearly one

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<v Speaker 1>is a mile route in order to try and track

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<v Speaker 1>down this tiny piece of radioactive material. And surprisingly enough

0:29:08.400 --> 0:29:10.920
<v Speaker 1>it worked. One of these vehicles actually picked up some

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<v Speaker 1>readings and began to narrow in on the location and

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<v Speaker 1>found that tiny little piece of radioactive material. Like this

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<v Speaker 1>astounds me. It just really shows how sensitive that that

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<v Speaker 1>radiation detection equipment is in order to start picking up

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<v Speaker 1>on something while the vehicle that was traveling and searching

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<v Speaker 1>was going up like almost like maybe a little bit

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<v Speaker 1>more than forty miles per hour, So that's phenomenal. And yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>they found it. So now it's being uh encased in

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<v Speaker 1>safe material and then it'll be transported for long term storage.

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<v Speaker 1>And there's a chance that the mining company and the

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<v Speaker 1>transportation company could face some fines for uh improperly handling

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<v Speaker 1>hazardous material. However, in Australia, such violations carry a maximum

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<v Speaker 1>fine of seven hundred dollars per day in which it happened,

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<v Speaker 1>and it may have happened over the course of a

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<v Speaker 1>couple of weeks, so it's really not that much money

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<v Speaker 1>when you look at it in a big picture, I mean,

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<v Speaker 1>especially when you consider the nature of what was misplaced.

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<v Speaker 1>But I mean that's the law in Australia, which maybe

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<v Speaker 1>will see change in the future as a result of

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<v Speaker 1>this particular incident. At least it all turned out okay.

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<v Speaker 1>And finally, an article in the a V Club alerted

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<v Speaker 1>me to a ridiculous twitch stream that's been going on

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<v Speaker 1>since December of last year, and it's called Nothing Forever.

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<v Speaker 1>It is an AI generated, animated and endless Seinfeld episode.

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<v Speaker 1>Uh so it's it's like a simulated Seinfeld episode. It's

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<v Speaker 1>not taking actual Seinfeld episodes as these little computer generated

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<v Speaker 1>characters who are stand ins for characters from the sitcom Seinfeld.

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<v Speaker 1>And it's using GPT generated dialogue and also at a

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<v Speaker 1>computer generated laugh track. So I checked it out, um,

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<v Speaker 1>and the anime characters are very low polygon crudely kind

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<v Speaker 1>of animated characters. You know who is supposed to be who.

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<v Speaker 1>They also have different names from the official Seinfeld characters,

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<v Speaker 1>So you have Larry instead of Jerry, You've got Fred

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<v Speaker 1>instead of George, You've got Yvan instead of Elaine. I

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<v Speaker 1>hear that Kramer is in there too. I don't know

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<v Speaker 1>what his alternate name is because he did not show

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<v Speaker 1>up when I was watching the stream. Um. They also

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<v Speaker 1>include little bits of Larry's stand up routines, so it's

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<v Speaker 1>like Jerry's stand up routines in early Seinfeld episodes. And

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<v Speaker 1>most of the time what is being said makes very

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<v Speaker 1>little sense, like the sentences are coherent, but the situations

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<v Speaker 1>are simultaneously banal and absurd. And then you get that

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<v Speaker 1>laugh track sound that pops up, usually right after something

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<v Speaker 1>not at all funny has been said, which just makes

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<v Speaker 1>it even more bizarre. The cynical of those out there

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<v Speaker 1>may say that this is just like a modern sitcom.

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<v Speaker 1>You get laugh tracks that spike after things that are

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<v Speaker 1>not funny have been said. I think my favorite bit

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<v Speaker 1>from when I was watching was a scene where Larry

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<v Speaker 1>told Fred about how the pet store down the street

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<v Speaker 1>had supposedly sold a unicorn, and they wondered if that

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<v Speaker 1>was true, and then they wondered what kind of conversations

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<v Speaker 1>they would have with each other if they had bought

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<v Speaker 1>the unicorn, and then we got a laugh track. And

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<v Speaker 1>I don't know if I love it or hate it,

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<v Speaker 1>but yeah, it's up on Twitch. It's called Nothing Forever

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<v Speaker 1>and you can watch as much of it as you

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<v Speaker 1>like um and maybe your tolerance will be greater than mine.

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<v Speaker 1>I only sat for about maybe five or ten minutes,

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<v Speaker 1>and then I was like, I got I've got work

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<v Speaker 1>to do. I can't I can't just gawk in awe

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